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Episode 1: Are rim jobs disgusting, blow job pleasure asymmetry, tasting one's own semen, second had sex toys, pegging.

Team YMMV | 5-1-2018 | 1:06:14

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Our debut episode covers a number of topics from the sex subreddit.

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  • [0:27] Keith: Welcome to the Your mileage may vary. Podcast. We haven't come up with the name when we recorded our first episode. So you'll be hearing us talk about that a bit. We'd love some feedback on the show. Please reach out to us at y m and the pod on Twitter or why. Mm. Peapod at gmail dot com. A guarantee will respond to anyone who reaches out to us at either of those places. And we essentially have zero feedback so far, so anything you could tell us would be very much appreciated.
  • [0:32] Keith: So with that, out of the way, I present your mileage may vary.
  • [0:47] Keith: Hello and welcome to end as yet untitled podcast about, well, sex and sexuality. I am Keith. My co host is Mike. And while we considered at some length not using our real names in order to protect ourselves, those are our actual real names.
  • [0:59] Keith: We have no qualifications to cover the topics we're going to touch on the show. Other than several decades of obsession and several 1000 hours of discussions amongst ourselves on these and related topics.
  • [1:02] Keith: Do you have anything you wanna add to that, Mike?
  • [1:04] Mike: No. I think you covered it.
  • [1:05] Keith: Okay,
  • [1:44] Keith: so our completely normal and not at all we're topics today include the ethics and cleanliness of using secondhand sex toys. Whether rim jobs are disgusting, whether a man should subject himself to pegging in order to have anal sex with his girlfriend. Blowjob, pleasure, asymmetry and much more s o. We toyed with a number of different ideas for the format here. And what we've decided to start with is a rundown of what we think are interesting topics from Reddit. Predominantly the sex subreddit will see if this turns out to be a good system. But for now, without further ado, Mike, do you want to read our first topic?
  • [1:49] Keith: Sure. Yeah. I mean, it's tough. Uh, because I
  • [1:51] Mike: don't feel warmed up. I guess
  • [1:54] Keith: I like what could it be? I don't know what it is.
  • [1:56] Mike: It's like
  • [2:00] Mike: if there's a meta topic, I'm not warmed up for the first time.
  • [2:03] Mike: That's why it chose. There's a woman and I I don't.
  • [2:07] Mike: So you know, you always have to wonder if these air riel,
  • [2:12] Mike: if this is really a woman, that's really mean. Are there any women on the Internet about
  • [2:17] Keith: sure her user name is Miss Jones. 333 So you know that seems proof positive.
  • [2:24] Mike: Well, now everybody can find her post history on Reddit. I guess you're famous
  • [2:30] Mike: anyway. She wants to know if she's disgusting for enjoying giving men rim jobs.
  • [2:31] Mike: And I think the answer's
  • [2:40] Keith: office, that's I think you should read. I think you should read the contents of her post because it's it's sort of important for context here,
  • [2:49] Mike: she says. She's heterosexual. She enjoys giving them. However, some people have made her feel ashamed. Probably people like me and disgusting for doing this,
  • [3:02] Mike: and they also think that's something a straight man would never enjoy. But I found this to be quite the contrary, that I think I could buy. I believe that part. But the father of her liking it,
  • [3:09] Mike: I think prima facia. There's no way she likes that. She only likes it in the sense that
  • [3:17] Mike: in the sense that she gets a positive reaction, and I think there's sort of, ah, Pandora's box, you're opening there because maybe he pretends to like it
  • [3:20] Keith: because
  • [3:27] Keith: everything is actually like, extremely uncomfortable that simulated love again. Okay, so first off is rim job like a
  • [3:31] Keith: piece of terminology that everybody knows.
  • [3:35] Keith: Yes. I don't think it is like
  • [3:38] Keith: a rim job.
  • [3:44] Keith: I actually don't know. Like how it got this name, I guess, I guess because the anuses sort of like a rim. But a rim job is when you
  • [3:48] Keith: all is. Yeah, it's when you eat out. Someone else's asked, right?
  • [3:49] Mike: Yeah, that's that's right.
  • [4:00] Keith: Okay, Is a rim job Always female to male that Can a man give another man a rim job? Is there anything about the sexes keynoted by that? I don't think so.
  • [4:06] Mike: That's a good. That's almost like a linguistic question that actually, it's one of the things you have to think about it for a second night. I think you're right. I think there is. No,
  • [4:12] Mike: there's no difference. Okay, um although I would say that I think I suspect
  • [4:14] Mike: that in ah,
  • [4:20] Mike: lesbian couples that this doesn't happen for you
  • [4:21] Mike: really work,
  • [4:31] Keith: right? Because, yeah, women probably enjoy as play less because there's actually actually that brings up a good question,
  • [4:40] Keith: Can Is there such thing is like a female anal orgasm. I'm sure purportedly is there is. But like I think men,
  • [4:50] Keith: uh, can have orgasms from penetrative anal sex and, like lots of men do right, I think, without without without actual penal stimulation,
  • [5:02] Mike: I mean, there's a bunch of stuff like you and I are both straight men. Important. Oh, sailor reputation. Yeah, thank you. Know it is important to say that because so there there's a lot of through the years I've read
  • [5:03] Mike: a lot of
  • [5:05] Mike: postings by men
  • [5:16] Mike: that I don't find particularly attractive or stimulating where men will talk about how fantastic that is for them. Yeah, that there's there's something there it's not.
  • [5:22] Mike: Um yeah, an area that I think, uh, is that common for straight men,
  • [5:25] Mike: obviously more more common for gay men.
  • [5:30] Mike: So I think that's but you, but I guess your your fundamental questions about women
  • [5:31] Mike: Well,
  • [5:42] Keith: okay, the discussion was due. Women give each other room jobs, and I think our intuition there is no But I don't even understand why a men a man would like
  • [5:49] Keith: a rim job like, I don't know if I'm square or something, but is it possible to get
  • [5:55] Keith: I mean, I could see how you could potentially get aroused by such thing, But can a man like reach orgasm like solely from a rim job.
  • [5:58] Keith: I mean, it seems extremely unlikely to me,
  • [6:02] Mike: but I think you also have to draw a distinction between
  • [6:06] Mike: you're you're you're mixing apples and oranges a little here
  • [6:12] Mike: because because the activity that matters in that regard is definitely penetrated,
  • [6:22] Mike: right? And so women definitely report. I mean, if you have read the sex, read it as much as I have. You would know that women definitely report
  • [6:25] Mike: having orgasms from anal penetration
  • [6:33] Mike: very commonly on there. And you know their various explanations as to how that happens For a man, I am not so sure. What
  • [6:37] Keith: are they? I mean, there's no clitoral or G spot. Simulate stimulation there.
  • [6:38] Mike: Well,
  • [6:43] Mike: um, the
  • [6:51] Mike: hard questions here look, as you can easily discern if you simply put one finger in each hole and then touch your fingers together
  • [6:55] Mike: and rub a little bit. There's not much material in between the fingers.
  • [7:01] Keith: Are you saying it's possible to get G spot stimulation or clitoral stimulation from
  • [7:03] Keith: anal penetration?
  • [7:08] Mike: Yeah, definitely. That's I mean, well, all I can go on is what I've
  • [7:26] Mike: read, and I read that freaking Don't know. Look, I read that frequently enough that I believe it to be 100% true. Okay, that Although I think it would be, in that case, it would be internal, not external stimulation. Right. But yes, that's that's There's no question that that's a thing. You didn't You seriously didn't know that.
  • [7:32] Keith: I guess I didn't. But I have not done but research on this topic. So, you know, admittedly, I'm unprepared, Unprepared George
  • [7:34] Mike: Online or I R l
  • [7:45] Keith: correct. Correct. Ok, so All right. So this is a heterosexual woman who enjoys giving rim jobs, and she's she's she's asking. Is she disgusting for enjoying that? Yeah,
  • [7:48] Keith: I think, General, if you have discovered,
  • [7:56] Keith: uh, but is this like, Yeah, Like the pantheon of, like, sort of gross perversions. Like, where does this one fall?
  • [7:59] Keith: And also, is she lying?
  • [8:09] Mike: Um, no, I don't think she I guess I started off by saying that it was sort of hard to believe. Like I said, I think that it okay
  • [8:17] Mike: if the guy got nothing out of it all and he would just sit there, you just lie there or whatever. I'm not sure what exact position you're in
  • [8:33] Mike: and receive it and just be like, you know, any, like, let's say, had a stopwatch going is like, Look, I'll get you a five minute tonight But that's top Sonny. Uh, I don't think I like it. So in other words, what I'm saying is that I think that, um,
  • [8:36] Mike: I guess that's not totally true unless you had some sort of like
  • [8:38] Mike: thing where you're really into being like
  • [8:41] Mike: submissive or humiliated, or
  • [8:55] Keith: that it's It's similar to like why a woman might enjoy giving some a man a blowjob. Like, You know, there's a little bit of potential humiliation. It's but your your pleas are, I
  • [9:12] Mike: think you're off base on that. That's not see this shows like and I know you have this bias to you. You have this bias where you assume there's no sort of prima facia, Opry, Ori benefit or enjoyment. They get out of that and that's not true. That's it. This is that's different bullets different.
  • [9:20] Keith: I mean, you know, you know that mean where it's like, you convince me I'm wrong or what? I've changed my mind like right, Go ahead.
  • [9:22] Mike: Well, I mean, you're
  • [9:37] Keith: just to be clear, like I I think it is fairly unlikely that, like the act of giving a man a blowjob is enjoyable beyond, uh, the just the fact that it's really pleasing for the party. So this is sort
  • [9:50] Mike: of like a I think this is an argument that we've had. Maybe not a discussion we had before, and it's got its to the level where I think it's almost like a chess opening, so I couldn't move. I make is ah is to say, Well, d do you enjoy it? Uh,
  • [9:52] Keith: receiving a blow job?
  • [9:57] Mike: No giving. Do you enjoy giving oral sex to a woman?
  • [9:59] Keith: Yeah, at times.
  • [10:03] Mike: Okay. Well, yeah. I mean, obviously they're, um
  • [10:07] Mike: nothing is pleasurable all the time, right? Nothing last forever. Nothing's pleasurable. The
  • [10:09] Keith: time e I see where this is going. Okay, so
  • [10:24] Mike: my my, my my chest move. My pawn to the center here is uh Yeah, well, you okay? So imagine the time when you've enjoyed it. Just for what? It waas. And you're saying it's impossible for a woman to have that same experience?
  • [10:26] Keith: Um,
  • [10:29] Keith: no, I guess I'm not.
  • [10:30] Keith: This is This is
  • [10:32] Mike: really because you're disgusted with your own body, right?
  • [10:39] Keith: No, I just I can't imagine. Enjoy giving a man a blowjob. And so, yeah, it was like a strong bias there, but
  • [10:44] Mike: I think it is. You know, this is important for listeners to know there's another piece of information here, which is really
  • [10:51] Mike: I'll just say it. But I don't believe it one bit. Keith reports never to have tasted his own semen.
  • [10:56] Keith: Yeah, that's true. I find that discussing and, like, the notion of even trying is
  • [11:00] Mike: that See, this is okay. So if somebody said I've never tasted my own coop
  • [11:02] Mike: Yeah. Okay, I
  • [11:06] Mike: No, no, I mean, I think most people haven't. Uh um, you
  • [11:10] Keith: admit it's possible to avoid, like, accidental contact?
  • [11:16] Mike: Not really way debated this, I think. I think you and I came to the agreement that,
  • [11:29] Mike: uh, in a lot of that it's almost okay. We weren't totally clear on this, but I believe the way this one is that, like, if you ask the question whether it is likely that I have had one of your sperm cells in my body
  • [11:31] Mike: seems cancers would
  • [11:41] Keith: likely, like, occasionally had it on the ends or, you know, whatever. Like, we touch the same thing with just one sperm cell. Yes, definitely. Right? So says terrifying to think. But it's true.
  • [11:55] Mike: Well, if I don't find it terrifying, but it's a little grooming. Micro micro stuff like that's kind of gross generally, but Okay, so So you. Yeah. So accidental. Sure, I think that's highly likely. But I also think that,
  • [11:58] Mike: um,
  • [12:05] Mike: it's unlikely. I find it hard to believe that a man in the arc of his life all the way from
  • [12:12] Mike: puberty to whatever age, never once his curious man, that's based. I find that
  • [12:15] Keith: I
  • [12:30] Keith: I'm not strongly curious about the taste. I'm mildly curious about the taste, and I think it would be it would be, like, sort of interesting to know. But like, there's, like, a mental wall where it's like, you know, what would that mean about myself if I'm like a you know, auto semen taster?
  • [12:31] Keith: Um,
  • [12:40] Mike: it just means that you're, like, normal. Well, first, I mean, I just know I wanna be clear about this. I don't believe you. Okay? I'm like, I believe that you have, and you're
  • [12:43] Keith: right, they get. And I'm just I'm just
  • [12:44] Keith: you just have
  • [12:51] Mike: to, because at this point, like you've defended this position for like a couple of years now and your scripts stuck, but I don't believe it.
  • [13:00] Mike: But what would it mean about you? Would mean you were normal and you, like, had a normal level of curiosity. But I brought that up because it's a relates to the notion of you being disgusted by yourself. I
  • [13:02] Keith: wonder if it's like
  • [13:05] Keith: I'm trying to think
  • [13:18] Keith: what some sort of like genetic things, you know, like some people have attached your lobes and some people have detached your lobes. And I think it's like 50 50 or some people have, like hair on the second knuckle of their fingers and some people don't and it's like genetic. I think that's like 50 50. I don't
  • [13:22] Mike: have her on the first, Michael Earth around and hair on any knuckle. Well,
  • [13:30] Keith: you know, I have hair on my first and second, but not the third. So, yeah, there you go. One for two s o. I wonder if they have
  • [13:32] Mike: more on any anyway going. I
  • [13:47] Keith: think there's a potential energy well for tasting your own semen, and some people are able to clear it, and some people like just don't and I don't know. You know, I don't know if it's 50 50 or like what the distribution is. But, like surely you believe like some people have it. Maybe you don't even do
  • [13:55] Mike: that. Not lately. I only explain this, okay, because there might be. I don't let me. I'll explain this to our one female with thes.
  • [14:03] Mike: There's got anyone I know it's like 999 to 1 or something, but I'll explain it to her, Susie or whatever you are out there.
  • [14:05] Mike: Ah, listen,
  • [14:10] Mike: what's going on here? Is that right after the man climaxes,
  • [14:16] Mike: Sex is not interesting to him at all. There's some sort of weird hormonal thing that happens to men.
  • [14:18] Mike: Not all men, I'm told, but
  • [14:21] Mike: pretty much every man I've ever talked to.
  • [14:36] Mike: However, if the man waits there to actual things, that can change, that one is a separate thing called the Coolidge Effect. That is another important element of Keith's life that you could look up that we can talk about later, but the other one it relates to a new
  • [14:42] Mike: available woman suddenly shows up. Then the man can reinvigorate a sex drive instantly,
  • [14:49] Mike: and that's a well proven thing that other animals have to. But here we're interested in the fact that after a period of time, it goes away. Now here's the thing.
  • [14:55] Mike: Sorry. The revulsion goes away after a period of time. Now, men or not
  • [14:57] Mike: perfect
  • [14:58] Mike: after
  • [15:00] Mike: self pleasuring
  • [15:02] Mike: at cleaning off
  • [15:03] Mike: their parts.
  • [15:12] Mike: Okay, And it it simply does happen, especially because sometimes there could be a little bit of semen still in the urethra. Simply does happen that,
  • [15:14] Mike: Ah,
  • [15:18] Mike: after that period of revulsion, let's say, called 15 minutes and
  • [15:19] Mike: the man
  • [15:26] Mike: still has a little bit of semen somewhere, then you don't have a potential energy well, that overcome. It's very straightforward. You should. I'm saying
  • [15:29] Keith: you just lick your hand a little bit,
  • [15:34] Mike: Yeah, because you know, if you're no longer discussed by now, it's like back to,
  • [15:35] Mike: um,
  • [15:39] Mike: you know, it's no different than like your own saliva,
  • [15:42] Mike: because you don't you know what I mean? Like, it's not right. I would think, I
  • [15:43] Keith: guess
  • [15:59] Keith: if there is something different about our masturbation habits that result in a situation where I less often have that situation like maybe I clean up better because of something I d'oh And so I've had to avoid temptation fewer times than you have.
  • [16:06] Mike: It's not that that there was almost fighting words there.
  • [16:10] Mike: It's not like 10 minutes after masturbating. I'm like, Oh, man,
  • [16:11] Mike: that's a really good slice of
  • [16:13] Keith: pizza and
  • [16:16] Keith: beautiful design.
  • [16:16] Keith: That's
  • [16:23] Mike: not what's going on is it's merely that like you can overcome. I'm going to admit that for a period of time,
  • [16:36] Mike: it really is. It grosses you out. It's really difficult to get over. But then there's a point after which it no longer does. But let's I heard where you're going there. Let's develop into the details here. What do you think about your habits?
  • [16:40] Mike: Makes you so clean that this isn't even initiative.
  • [16:43] Keith: Ah, well,
  • [16:45] Keith: um,
  • [16:52] Keith: you know, let's let's just talk about, like the universe of things that could be possible here before for getting into specifics,
  • [17:01] Keith: P immediately. Correct. That would be one thing some people like always masturbate into a sock, which I think it's just like generally cleaner that, you know, in some people, like, you
  • [17:05] Mike: know, or like I don't know, like a like a sleeping.
  • [17:06] Mike: I
  • [17:15] Keith: don't know what you're talking about over or they will bill You know, some people, like, stand up and we'll, like, set up paper towels. Some
  • [17:20] Mike: people wait. Just wait first for our female lifting
  • [17:21] Mike: that part. I don't get that.
  • [17:31] Keith: Uh, yeah, I would like I I Sorry, one would stand up and set up, like, sort of like a runway, I guess
  • [17:33] Keith: of paper towels
  • [17:36] Mike: for On what? What's the runway sitting? Well,
  • [17:41] Keith: I mean, you know, maybe you're looking at your computer or what not? Um,
  • [17:43] Keith: and yes, you're
  • [17:46] Mike: right away on the keyboard.
  • [17:52] Keith: So, again, this is obviously all hypothetical, but yeah, In this case, it would be protecting the keyboard.
  • [17:59] Mike: Okay. And the runways, paper towels. And this is I've actually never Obviously. So for me, this is not hypothetical. It's
  • [18:02] Keith: really they have me neither. Me neither.
  • [18:06] Mike: No, no, I don't do this. I think you do. So let's let's get a masturbating
  • [18:11] Mike: No. With this weird thing where you stand and set up a runway feet.
  • [18:13] Mike: Okay, so hang on. So
  • [18:15] Keith: we're gonna get to you, by the way. But go ahead.
  • [18:28] Mike: That's fine. Yeah, I'm unfortunately, super boring cemetery. But, uh, maybe not. Maybe it's super anyway. So how wide is the how wide. How long and how wide
  • [18:30] Mike: does the landing strip have to be?
  • [18:34] Keith: I mean, it has to be long enough because the first
  • [18:40] Keith: ah, few ropes can have range. So, you know, you gotta be careful there.
  • [18:40] Keith: It's
  • [18:42] Mike: only like, six feet, three feet.
  • [18:47] Keith: It depends on ah, little stimulation in amount of time. And you
  • [18:57] Mike: know what? I wait. So does that mean that like, when you're getting out your paper towels and calibrating this thing this porn, it's gonna be really good?
  • [19:02] Mike: I looked at my laptop screen,
  • [19:10] Keith: set up Saran wrap, like governing the room. I looked at my Fitbit. Check my heart rate to see you know what sort of state I'm in. Um, you
  • [19:15] Mike: shouldn't wear your fiddle. I telling you this is another thing we have
  • [19:17] Mike: dear listeners
  • [19:23] Mike: beating off It counts. It is like 1 to 2000 steps. You can't. It's not right. But anyway, let's be concerned.
  • [19:25] Keith: It doesn't take me
  • [19:29] Keith: 1000 steps. Weigh
  • [19:31] Mike: a lot more few well,
  • [19:40] Keith: stuff. I wear my Fitbit on my right hand, and I am a predominantly left handed if masturbator. So there's not really a huge issue there, although it does it can pick up
  • [19:43] Keith: cross body movement and recorded a step from time to time.
  • [19:46] Mike: But I can respect that.
  • [19:48] Mike: Okay. Uh, okay. So
  • [19:55] Keith: you see why? I mean, I can actually I feel like I can control the horizontal, the X axis. Pretty pretty.
  • [19:56] Keith: Just
  • [20:00] Keith: 111 strip of paper towels. It's plenty wide
  • [20:06] Mike: way. Are we talking from the D key to the Elke from the A key to the semi colon? Like
  • [20:15] Keith: how far how far does the paper tells Reach? I'm sort of looking at it here. Um, that way, by the way, this is all hypothetical.
  • [20:22] Keith: It doesn't cover the whole keyboard, but it's it's it's it's wide enough that it that I've never I mean, I'm not gonna say,
  • [20:25] Keith: uh, people would never have this issue. But generally it's fun.
  • [20:31] Mike: So but then doesn't it cover your using a Mac? Or this hypothetical man is using a Mac?
  • [20:38] Keith: And this hypothetical man is using an external keyboard as well? Oh,
  • [20:38] Keith: who's the
  • [20:41] Mike: start later?
  • [20:50] Mike: Okay, you have like this. Really? Okay, But it's a laptop. Why not just use an extra monitor and then you have to worry about
  • [20:57] Keith: I do have an external are thistle person does have extra monitor.
  • [21:03] Mike: Okay. Okay, fine. So let's just let's forget about the laptop. Let's just assume that the paper towels are being placed on a desk.
  • [21:12] Mike: So we were We were okay, so let's just assume that somehow it's arranged so that the keyboard is off to the right or the mouth or whatever
  • [21:15] Mike: paper towels. Now let's continue with how it's so clean.
  • [21:17] Keith: Yeah,
  • [21:25] Keith: well, I mean, this is not the cleanest operation. Like, you know, a sock is probably cleaner, but or the shower would be cleaner. There's something
  • [21:29] Mike: there's always some left actually physically attached to your PC.
  • [21:37] Keith: Yes. Yeah, but I mean that for any non shower circumstance. That's that's gonna be a potential issue. How does that help?
  • [21:41] Keith: Well, I mean, I know this person already has the paper towels out. So
  • [21:46] Mike: So then wipes wipes it up, and then and he illegals the bathroom peas to make sure
  • [22:12] Keith: you just pull your underwear on. And by the next time, I mean yeah, like, a little bit of you know, seamen might get on your underwear or something, but by the time you know, you're interacting down there again, like it's trace amounts or you can't really find it like I'm not saying I've never accidentally had any of my semen like Reach my mouth. But I've never, like, ever consciously noticed it. And it's probably because I don't know how it tastes. Maybe if I knew how it tasted. And I, like, you know, occasionally got, like, a weird taste in my mouth,
  • [22:13] Keith: do you? They're like residue or something.
  • [22:15] Mike: That's that. We discussed that. Yeah, Yeah. Anyway, OK,
  • [22:19] Keith: maybe you are tuned to it. So So it's happening to you more often.
  • [22:22] Mike: I'm not. I know what you're trying to suggest.
  • [22:27] Mike: I'm not gay. I got it, I got it. I caught the innuendo. There
  • [22:33] Keith: you don't You wouldn't necessarily need to be gay. But if you're like a frequent semen taste or like you're you know what it's like and so
  • [22:54] Mike: no, no, it's not frequent because you don't get anything out of it. It's just not. It's sort of I just don't think it's that big of a deal. But okay, let's get all the way back to the main topic here, though cleanliness now is your revulsion, your revulsion at your own body, which causes it to be impossible for you to understand, even though you do understand your own reaction to giving oil sex,
  • [22:59] Mike: which can be positive. Not always, right. You pretty positive for the wonder
  • [23:16] Keith: I project that a partner could not possibly be interested in giving and blowing me for anything other than the sort of pleasure it gives me like It's difficult. Look, it's not impossible, but like, yeah, there's like, I like I have a little bit of a mental block there where I think it's sort of
  • [23:19] Mike: Okay, let me let me let me try this out for you. Okay. So
  • [23:21] Mike: So
  • [23:28] Mike: when you are giving aural sects to a woman, you never bring her to an orgasm. That when it happened.
  • [23:32] Mike: Okay. Do you ever have any fingers inside her when that happens? Yes.
  • [23:34] Mike: Are you able to feel,
  • [23:36] Mike: uh,
  • [23:38] Mike: muscular contractions at that time?
  • [23:42] Keith: And I am iPods? Are you asking if I'm sure an orgasm has been had?
  • [23:51] Mike: No. But are you able in? Let's just seem let's stipulate one has, and that's it. That's a Toby. The reason why? Because that's a totally separate, complex topic. That
  • [23:59] Mike: thing. Just assume you believe it, but It's what I'm saying. These are you ever able to feel rhythmic contractions there that connects you to her sensation?
  • [24:01] Keith: Yeah, of course. It's nice.
  • [24:03] Mike: And you like that, right? Yeah.
  • [24:04] Mike: Now
  • [24:07] Keith: I understand. Yet look, I understand the paradox here.
  • [24:11] Mike: You can't understand the notion of the woman finding a compelling that she
  • [24:16] Mike: because Because this is important thing to know that you may not know because it is a question that comes up on the sex. Read it
  • [24:18] Keith: at least once a day. Now it is the
  • [24:32] Mike: last once a week. It's always, by the way, a lot of the things that post on their people post on there. I think they're just They're looking for jerk off material, which is God bless him. That's why I'm in there too. But no, that's not totally why I'm there Anyway, it doesn't matter,
  • [24:35] Mike: but the
  • [24:43] Mike: men will say women, women, Can you feel it when the man orgasms when you're having P I V, which is Penis in vagina sex,
  • [24:46] Mike: right. And then that the answers are
  • [25:04] Mike: mostly no. And that you'll get some women who are like you say insane things like Oh, yeah, I can feel it very specifically. What you know is mean to see their man or it's just fake and there's something in between. But the point is that, like for most women, they don't they can't really feel it right so much like the man.
  • [25:13] Keith: I can't feel it, but I mean I mean, you know, like, there's other signs that a man is having an orgasm so taken that they might be
  • [25:27] Mike: Yes, but I'm leading you down A I'm leading a This is a debate going on. I'm leading you down a path here, just like so. The man also can't feel it for the woman if the woman and this is a whole other topic about women being able to have sex orgasms without
  • [25:33] Mike: manual or some sort of clitoral stimulation, which is another interesting topic and very fraught.
  • [25:35] Mike: And we do need to come up with some sort of, ah,
  • [25:39] Mike: catch word or phrase for these types of topics that are
  • [25:39] Mike: when
  • [25:40] Keith: they get a set of
  • [25:54] Mike: Well, because one then and we don't actually mean we're just we're observers, observers of the great female mystery. We need some way of acknowledging that when we come upon a topic like this. But anyway, we will figure that out later. Maybe people can
  • [25:56] Mike: give us some answers. Some idea
  • [25:58] Mike: of the catch phrase to say
  • [26:10] Mike: there's something so we can acknowledge that and move on so we don't keep talking about that. But anyway, anyway, um, there. Ah, in that situation, um,
  • [26:12] Mike: the man
  • [26:18] Mike: can't feel anything necessarily his Penis. Sometimes you might be able to, but there's no actual direct
  • [26:26] Mike: feeling that you get like you do in the situation. Weeks just discussed, discussed with your fingers in there.
  • [26:31] Mike: Not always, but you you have a chance of feeling it. And I'm saying there's an analogy there, which is that the woman might
  • [26:34] Mike: just directly not because
  • [26:40] Mike: she might directly enjoy the experience of actually feeling your orgasm. What do you think about that?
  • [26:48] Keith: It's oh, so she can feel my orgasm more acutely by blowing me than she could buy me being inside of her.
  • [26:54] Mike: Yeah, she's experiencing it in a much more direct and visceral way, and I think about it
  • [27:01] Mike: certainly is our direct No, I'm not like I'm I actually think that is just compelling, Like even forgetting about
  • [27:08] Mike: compelling for women. I just think That's, like a compelling thing. Like it makes sense to me. Why Why why would you be interested in that?
  • [27:14] Keith: Let me be clear here. Like I can intellectualize why a woman
  • [27:24] Keith: might enjoy giving a blow job, but in execution. Yeah, I find it difficult to of
  • [27:27] Keith: acknowledge that in practice. And so, you know,
  • [27:31] Mike: are you one of those guys that can't nut from a blow? That the issue? I can
  • [27:33] Mike: Is it, like, really hard?
  • [27:36] Keith: Ah, uh, what's the It
  • [27:36] Keith: does it take
  • [27:38] Mike: a long time?
  • [27:40] Mike: Um,
  • [27:41] Mike: I get it. I get
  • [27:52] Keith: No. Yeah. No, no, not necessarily. And I don't think unusually so. Maybe I don't know what I you know. I don't I sort of steer away from that so they don't happen very often.
  • [27:56] Mike: Okay? Yeah, That's because that's another very frequent flyer topic on
  • [28:01] Mike: read It is. Ah, guys, you It's because of death grip. We all you know, a death grip is right.
  • [28:10] Keith: I do. Oh, so man can't enjoy blow jobs because they're so good at masturbating themselves that, like blowjobs don't feel this good.
  • [28:20] Mike: Well, I don't know good at this. Like, it's a good ad in the sense that they've developed a robotic forearm and hand of steel. It's like Andy Roddick
  • [28:42] Mike: is an erotically guys that have, like one. No, no, no, you know it is. It's that Spanish guy. What's his name? Rafael Nadal. Yeah, if you look at pictures of him, if we forget about whether he's juicing or not, we want to get into that. But one of his arms is so much bigger than the other, right? And that's just a parent. And I think it's common prone for women to really apparent for men anyway. So it's like that, right? You've got your hand.
  • [28:50] Mike: Your form is so strong that you're like squishing your Penis down and like a neutron star
  • [28:53] Mike: one Adam, Nothing up and down.
  • [29:08] Keith: Yeah, I mean, I don't really I don't have a strong opinion on this because I don't get blowjobs very often. And so, like, I don't know if I have some sort of yeah, if they're less pleasurable for me or not like my recollection is that they're generally pleasurable. I just find them.
  • [29:15] Keith: I don't know. I don't know that they're sort of Yeah, I feel like they're demeaning, and I
  • [29:18] Keith: to her,
  • [29:33] Keith: um, e I acknowledge an end because of this conversation. I'm gonna I'm gonna try some self care and meditation on this, and I'm going to try to train myself and maybe experiment a little bit Going forward with being open to receiving blowjobs and report back.
  • [29:40] Mike: Well, that's really good progress. Maybe there. I don't think so. I don't need it. I don't need to do that because I'm already there.
  • [29:51] Mike: But the, uh, now, now we were talking about and I don't like this topic because I do. Most things don't gross me out, but rim jobs do, right? And, uh
  • [29:53] Keith: oh, yeah, our topic, right? Yeah.
  • [30:02] Mike: It was that, um and Ah, so, yeah, like she says she likes it. I think she only likes it because he likes it.
  • [30:19] Keith: But now you're arguing the exact opposite of what you just argued with me. It's like I could Well, you know, like, yeah, you think there's some threshold beyond which, and it's not putting a man's Penis in your mouth. It is. Ah, putting your tongue up his asshole like there's there's a gap there that makes right You
  • [30:41] Mike: found it. That's exactly the difference. No, I mean, because the because the the former, the former, uh uh is a is actually, like the biologically determined event. It's the thing that you're supposed to be doing. What you're supposed to get this man to put just stuff into your body. And so, uh, that I think it is compelling.
  • [30:47] Mike: The other one is she's deceiving someone's poo.
  • [30:48] Mike: What are you doing that
  • [30:50] Keith: right?
  • [30:54] Keith: Anyway? Yeah. Look, I feel like we've wrestled this time, haven't
  • [30:59] Mike: we? Haven't even like we haven't even talked about the notion that men have a lot of hair.
  • [31:08] Keith: Yeah. Yeah, right. So, yeah, like for me, objectively, I mean, let me think if I I mean, I could imagine enjoying,
  • [31:11] Keith: uh, you know, if things were relatively clean, uh,
  • [31:19] Keith: eating out a woman's asshole like, you know, it's not like the first on my list of, like, uh, alluring things to do. But, you know,
  • [31:20] Keith: you know,
  • [31:35] Mike: that's true, because the problem is it depends on what you exactly mean. I think as long as you don't penetrate with your tongue at all, I think it could probably be fine because it would be super clean and so just skin if you penetrate it all there. You're going to get a team.
  • [31:53] Keith: Aren't there ways? Are there ways off like you know, e I know that gay men, like often have, like, you know, like a shower extension. And, like, still, like, plan what they're going to eat for, you know, like a day and a in advance of, ah assumed sexual encounter. And they could do various things, too.
  • [31:59] Keith: Prepare. But you're saying, like any non zero amount is too much.
  • [32:05] Mike: I gotta be honest. I'm not familiar with Thea Shower extension. That's piece of wisdom that you got somewhere.
  • [32:08] Keith: Yeah, a friend of a friend.
  • [32:15] Mike: Okay, but ah, the look, I have sympathy in that situation because that's the only, uh,
  • [32:18] Mike: penetration vehicle they have.
  • [32:35] Mike: Their bodies aren't set up the same way that women's are. So they got to go where they gotta go. So I understand that you are at least Aiken sympathizer. I can empathize with that situation, but I think that for heterosexual people like it doesn't it just doesn't make that much sense. But I guess, um
  • [32:39] Mike: if you had a sense, it is giving a tweet man in this topic.
  • [32:43] Mike: If you had a man that wanted to receive it that, you know, that's the only
  • [32:45] Mike: way he could get penetrated down there.
  • [32:50] Mike: So, you know, I guess penetrated slash, pleasured.
  • [33:00] Mike: But ah, I think that I do believe there probably. Guys, Look, this is another thing. And this is a place where I believe there's a sexual dichotomy
  • [33:02] Mike: again. We need that catchphrase or whatever.
  • [33:07] Mike: Point out that we are men, but ah, the ah
  • [33:09] Mike: men. I think arm or
  • [33:11] Mike: act to be into kind of gross stuff
  • [33:13] Mike: than women.
  • [33:15] Keith: Um,
  • [33:19] Keith: I think ah, feminist would would argue that point, But
  • [33:31] Keith: I think I generally agree there that Yeah, if you could take a 1,000,000 of each and like we're not alone in various things, I think men would be more open to trying more of them.
  • [33:34] Mike: Let me hit you, Chris. This is actually a better way to put it.
  • [33:47] Mike: I think that because I think this is maybe even a feminist would agree with this. I think that it's true that men are more likely to get off on sort subjugated their partner than women are. Not to say there aren't like dominatrix is.
  • [33:58] Keith: I'm sure it's being built at the inverse of that is that there are women. Yeah, like yeah, Like a woman might argue that being submissive is itself sort of a weird fetish and, you know,
  • [33:58] Mike: blah, blah, blah, blah,
  • [33:59] Keith: blah
  • [34:03] Keith: is the inverse of that. Any different?
  • [34:05] Keith: In other words,
  • [34:09] Mike: the inverse evening for Amanda, for woman or either.
  • [34:12] Keith: Yeah, I think the point you were meant Well,
  • [34:12] Keith: make your
  • [34:15] Mike: point I'm making is the main point I'm making is that
  • [34:25] Mike: you have to ask why the man wants to receive a rim job, and I have some suspicion that it's not really purely physical. In many cases, it's it's it's because he wants to sort of, like
  • [34:26] Keith: express his dominance,
  • [34:34] Mike: dominate himself, dominate her. And that's something that I could see the woman getting into. Whereas I'm not sure that vice versa, that's is likely to be that compelling
  • [34:42] Mike: look. But on the other hand, on the other hand, like their women supposedly supposed women, although I think there are a lot of show accounts on this sex subreddit,
  • [34:49] Mike: if they're supposed women on their who claim that, like the guy lick their butthole and it was just the best thing that ever happened to him,
  • [34:52] Mike: I've seen that repeatedly, and you go,
  • [34:59] Mike: I guess I've never engaged on a bit like how or why I could explain this to me, but what could they even say? They just be like
  • [34:59] Mike: what?
  • [35:12] Keith: It couldn't. It could be that the woman enjoys the demonstration that the man is performing that that young, he's willing to do anything to give her pleasure that, you know, maybe there's some fallout from that.
  • [35:16] Mike: Maybe I think I have a suspicion. They would say it was just the sensation.
  • [35:18] Mike: Yeah.
  • [35:23] Keith: Okay, let's move on to our next topic. I'm gonna skip to number three on our list.
  • [35:37] Keith: Okay? All rights number three is Let's see. My girlfriend says I'll only do anal if I shove a dildo up my own ass. First thoughts and he goes on, I really want to do anal and I'm straight.
  • [35:38] Mike: No
  • [35:40] Mike: one wants to be the giver. Not
  • [35:50] Keith: that I just love it would like in the first clause people like, you know, I have to say they're straight because that just like it's like, Oh, nobody was questioning that until you said that in any way
  • [35:55] Mike: it could be political correctness or just wanted to be clear. I mean, they could be. Could be a civilised It
  • [36:07] Keith: could be all right. I really want to do anal and I'm straight. But also, I'm getting close to willing to do this, and it might just be calling her bluff in her chicken out anyways. But what the hell would love opinions? Ha ha ha.
  • [36:08] Keith: Uh,
  • [36:11] Mike: don't like a man. That sounds like a like a 12 year old girl wrote this, but all
  • [36:16] Keith: right, Does. But just for the sake of discussion, I think we can We can still have it.
  • [36:17] Keith: Yeah.
  • [36:17] Keith: No,
  • [36:19] Mike: I'm sure it's a guy.
  • [36:21] Mike: So
  • [36:23] Mike: why, what
  • [36:24] Mike: is usually, by the way, is average guy down
  • [36:27] Keith: there like that? Yeah.
  • [36:31] Keith: Uh, why would he Why would a girl
  • [36:33] Keith: require that?
  • [36:36] Mike: Oh, I'm totally I'm totally on her side here. I think that's right. I think he should
  • [36:38] Keith: an eye for an eye.
  • [36:38] Keith: I don't
  • [36:44] Mike: I think that Yeah. And here's why. Because that because it's not like a self lubricating orifice
  • [36:47] Mike: and ah, it. Ah.
  • [36:50] Mike: So, like, there's certain, you know,
  • [36:59] Mike: care required to ah, to do this. And actually, I would go further. I think that he should be willing to be pegged.
  • [37:01] Mike: I think I would go to that. Do you want to describe what pegging is?
  • [37:06] Keith: Wait, How is pegging different from having a dildo up your own ass? Oh, because you could
  • [37:13] Mike: interpret that to be like Okay, fine. I'll just get one quick in and out all the It's never that quick or easy. Probably
  • [37:19] Keith: is picking always involved the woman wearing a strap on or get what? Yes. Okay,
  • [37:22] Mike: Yeah, it's just it's it's it's It's the woman
  • [37:24] Mike: giving able to the guy,
  • [37:43] Mike: Uh, and so, yeah. So, like, I think that was the reason I'll tell you why. The reason I think that makes sense and also why I think painting is sort of compelling generally is that I think that, like, if you're a submissive guy, I think you should receive pegging sufferance. It's Keith for you. When you're feeling submissive mood, right? I think you should definitely get a girl to pay you
  • [37:45] Mike: on. I recommend it to everybody,
  • [37:50] Keith: e I need to keep a list of things that I need to be doing. So Oh, yeah, What we have here
  • [37:53] Keith: receiving more blowjobs,
  • [37:54] Keith: huh?
  • [38:03] Keith: And getting pegs. Okay. All right. You could do with my list. This is good. Yeah. Maybe, uh, it would be hard for a girl. Well, I could I would have
  • [38:21] Mike: t o Okay, Were you could even mmf which might work. But the reason I think it is compelling much in the same vein that I feel that even though I'm straight, I feel that giving a blowjob is compelling. Is that I think that being in that position, the barrier where you could be hurt
  • [38:32] Mike: Ah, during this exact is compelling, right? Because that is the position that women are in its and men really aren't typically right. Women are in this position. We're like
  • [38:40] Mike: it depends on the size of their Penis, I guess. And besides, there Freeman stuff, but in a lot of cases, the man can physically cause pain to the woman
  • [38:44] Mike: on how he manipulates his body. Yes,
  • [38:54] Mike: and I think that's intriguing. The notion of a man being put in that same position is interesting to me. The fact that, like, yeah, I mean, like, if she's thrust too deeply in your butthole or doesn't well, get enough, it's gonna hurt.
  • [38:56] Keith: I think they're saying, like if she keeps
  • [38:57] Mike: going on too long. I
  • [39:05] Keith: think there may be an asymmetry in the way that pain can be arousing for the different sexes. So I think for women,
  • [39:14] Keith: it's potentially more arousing toe. Have some pain than it is for men. So it's Yeah, I mean, it's not.
  • [39:22] Keith: That's a controversial thing to say. But even if he was exactly equal, or even if it was, it was better for a man like,
  • [39:28] Mike: I don't agree with that. With what? With the notion, I don't think that it's true that
  • [39:30] Mike: I don't think what you said is terrible.
  • [39:35] Keith: You think pain is equally arousing or not arousing for each sex.
  • [39:43] Mike: Yeah, I think that's right. I don't think there's any. I can't think of a reason why I think that being submissive is probably more common for women being dominant part of it. I
  • [39:45] Keith: mean, isn't pain at least correlated to that?
  • [39:49] Mike: No, I think it's I think that it I think that it's an independent variable
  • [39:50] Keith: or the risk of pain.
  • [39:52] Keith: Okay?
  • [39:59] Mike: No, but But anyway, regret it, but Okay, let's find on this topic. I think that no, look, I think that like,
  • [40:02] Mike: uh, yeah, I mean, I think that he would learn,
  • [40:09] Mike: uh, certainly learned how to behave properly when he's doing that to her and, um,
  • [40:14] Mike: might learn generally, like some lessons about what it's like to be a girl.
  • [40:18] Keith: Yeah, sure. But what?
  • [40:22] Keith: Why? Why should that be a prerequisite for
  • [40:27] Mike: Oh, that's this is this is really easy to answer because because I don't think that you can understand.
  • [40:30] Mike: Okay, I'm speaking
  • [40:33] Mike: theoretically here. Uh, to be fair,
  • [40:37] Mike: uh, least that's personal. Take on this podcast. Now be away. Whatever
  • [40:41] Mike: speaking, theoretically. But the,
  • [40:43] Mike: um,
  • [40:45] Mike: the
  • [40:50] Mike: situation that the woman is in is once where she could very easily be hurt,
  • [41:03] Mike: right? Yes, Because don't put enough lube on there If it's too wide, if it goes too deep or the thing another thing that I think can happen is it simply going on too long without sure re lubricating it cause it's not a self lubricating thing. Well,
  • [41:12] Mike: it's It's a little bit difficult for the man. It's like, actually understand what that all means. But if he's been in that situation was like, wow, they're still they're starting to rip my ass
  • [41:16] Mike: thing. He's gonna be much more cautious.
  • [41:23] Keith: You're arguing that this is like uh, yet she wants him to go through anal sex 101 himself before she's
  • [41:24] Mike: really
  • [41:39] Mike: It's like it's like when a doctor has a drug that they're gonna give a patient like, you know, I should really try this drug first just to see what it feels like. So I can actually speak from experience, and that's a pretty commonly held view by doctors. I think it's the same thing. Like he wants to prescribe his dick in her asshole.
  • [41:45] Mike: I think you should try a dick in his ass hole now, t Because he doesn't he wants to be no homo.
  • [41:47] Mike: Uh, right and go build.
  • [41:49] Keith: He's very clear that he's straight.
  • [41:53] Mike: Yeah, you can go. You can go dildo. But I think he should be tagged
  • [41:53] Mike: anyway.
  • [41:56] Keith: Just a mask to maximally simulate the same experience.
  • [42:06] Mike: Because because I have a good imagination here. But I think men following along picture this in our one female listener. Right, Susie,
  • [42:15] Mike: right? Yeah, yeah. Um, but the men can imagine us like being on your hands and knees with someone grabbing your hips and doing that to you.
  • [42:17] Mike: You
  • [42:28] Mike: like. By the time the thing happens, it is incredibly painful. It's too late thinking about it. I'm like, Fuck! Like that Sort of scary, right? Yeah,
  • [42:34] Mike: s so you know, it's like it's like it's like that thing about which I told my wife about, um
  • [42:35] Mike: ah,
  • [42:44] Mike: it is where the guy pulls the condom off secretly. I don't understand this trend. What's it called? Oh, it's nothing Stealth thing.
  • [42:46] Keith: Okay, I actually don't know that term
  • [42:54] Mike: Universal's Z supposedly a thing where guys like, pull off the condom and then I guess nut in the girl
  • [42:56] Mike: because it feels so much better, which is true.
  • [43:10] Keith: But I'm going to read. I'm gonna read the Urban Dictionary Definition of stealth. Thing is when the man removes a condom during sex despite agreeing to wear one so that he can come inside the other person without their knowledge, this is used in a sentence. He got beat for stealth thing after she said, No sex without a condom.
  • [43:13] Mike: But I mean, the
  • [43:15] Mike: I don't understand that because
  • [43:16] Mike: the guy
  • [43:19] Mike: why would a guy ever to
  • [43:23] Mike: like what I really want to do? What I really want. You pregnant, Albertson
  • [43:28] Mike: sequence Wrong. If you like this, what is? I don't it doesn't make any sense like
  • [43:36] Mike: the condom is like mostly and protect the guy. I mean, I know it's not maybe 50 50 but like the guy should view it is protecting themselves.
  • [43:41] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I'm guessing this has happened. Like you can count the number of times this has happened on two hands or something.
  • [43:48] Mike: I don't know, because you see people argue about it and there's a specific argument that comes up about whether stealth thing is rape
  • [43:49] Mike: that comes up.
  • [43:51] Keith: I think
  • [43:55] Keith: the court would say it is
  • [44:01] Mike: Well, I mean, it's one of us. Anything. We don't have to litigate. They would be very hard. It's it's a he said. She said Things will be very hard. I have no
  • [44:04] Keith: idea. But there's perfect video footage.
  • [44:08] Mike: Yeah, Then it probably is because you're no consent there. I mean, I'm sure it is.
  • [44:09] Mike: I agree you're right.
  • [44:13] Mike: But there would never be Yeah, e. I can't imagine someone being stuffed in a porn,
  • [44:23] Keith: so I think we should move on to the next topic. But, uh, I think this girl just doesn't want to have anal sex. And so she's like, Oh, let me put up this bar that I think he won't clear. But this guy sounds like
  • [44:25] Mike: that's another reason you should do it. You definitely.
  • [44:28] Keith: D'oh! It's been explained. What wasn't. So what you gonna
  • [44:34] Mike: do? What's she gonna do if he loves it? He's like, Look, all I want to be is Peg, Peg me back the night and
  • [44:37] Keith: he says he's straight, so don't worry.
  • [44:43] Mike: That's something. No, Getting pegged doesn't mean you're gay. Do it. Just means you gotta You gotta You gotta Randy Little prostate. And
  • [44:48] Keith: Sure, sure, I guess that's true.
  • [44:50] Mike: What? You're sensing a homophobe like I don't I don't Really I don't
  • [44:53] Keith: know, I guess.
  • [45:04] Keith: Yeah, I guess you're right. Like whether or not you enjoy the sensation of Ah, something coming in and out of your asshole is orthogonal toe Whether or not you find men attractive.
  • [45:06] Mike: I mean, I don't see this The evidence that
  • [45:09] Keith: I just think they correlated, but maybe they're not.
  • [45:10] Mike: I don't I don't know.
  • [45:15] Keith: People who do it is correlated, but the ones who enjoy it, I may not be correlated.
  • [45:21] Mike: Look, I've I've read a lot of positive comments about it online. It's the problem. Is that
  • [45:25] Mike: most men just don't want to think up there, but
  • [45:26] Keith: yeah. I mean,
  • [45:29] Mike: like, they don't want to be in the sort of passive role
  • [45:31] Keith: I think most women don't.
  • [45:32] Keith: I think it's your first
  • [45:33] Mike: love.
  • [45:39] Mike: No, I I forget what the stats I've seen on that are, but yeah, I'm not sure. Go on to the next topic way finished, you know? Yeah.
  • [45:52] Keith: Yeah. Okay. Uh, floating hair. Ok, um, this one. This one's short and sweet. How much pineapple do you really need to eat to make your come taste sweeter or anything else?
  • [46:01] Mike: Uh, I've read conflicting things about this. I'm not for what I mean, I can pull up the actual threat here. Is there? Is there some sort of resolution to it there?
  • [46:32] Keith: I think there's a couple comments. Overall diet and good hydration make the biggest difference. Limit coffee, alcohol, especially beer in my experience. Don't smoke once. Want that? Once That's taken care of and told by my scientific research partner that drinking the juice of an entire fresh pineapple daily for a few days doesn t change the flavor of my semen. Though it's not sweet. Rather just lacking and flavor. Celery juice has similar effects. Drinking two cups of the same stuff lessens the semen flavor. It seems to increase the semen volume. Have been experimenting with it lately. Scares a real connoisseur.
  • [46:38] Mike: What I love about this, what I love about this, Keith, is this guy. This guy is the exact opposite of you.
  • [46:49] Keith: Yeah. So he's going for me. All this stuff? Yeah, I could imagine if I enjoyed blowjobs. More like really turning this into a science to, like, figure out, like, what could make it most tolerable for my partner.
  • [46:54] Keith: Although, although, like, you know, a proposal, our conversation before
  • [47:00] Keith: that the taste of the semen may not matter that much in the female's enjoyment.
  • [47:08] Mike: Well, you know, you could just put a little bit superglue in your in your meet us if they call the meat. This is the little hole at the end of your Penis. That's the technical
  • [47:08] Keith: term. Did not know the
  • [47:11] Mike: color TV. It'll just go
  • [47:22] Mike: neatness and then, yeah, because it's the glands is the head, and then meet us, like, meet with the city and like any way you could put a little bit superglue in there, right? And then when you're not know,
  • [47:23] Mike: it'll go back into your bladder.
  • [47:26] Keith: Great
  • [47:28] Keith: grass. Like my legs.
  • [47:34] Mike: No, that's the thing. That's a thing you can not. Your bladder. I don't think it's so good for you. Because then you get a bladder. Infection is a guy, which is where,
  • [47:39] Mike: but you could just do that. And then it doesn't matter at all. You could just Why don't people do that to superglue up their car?
  • [47:45] Keith: That is an insane question.
  • [47:53] Keith: That was That was that was the most rhetorical question I've ever heard.
  • [48:01] Keith: You could do some interesting things like you could superglue just the middle. So if it shoots out like two streams that, like, high velocity,
  • [48:02] Keith: that could be interesting.
  • [48:06] Mike: Uh, still, like, kind of like when you like. You like to make it like a squirt gun.
  • [48:07] Keith: Yeah.
  • [48:11] Keith: Yeah, like you're you're you're shrinking the whole thing to two smaller ones.
  • [48:18] Mike: You know what I think would actually happen there, So No, I know this because I have. And you probably have done this to you. I did it when I was much younger.
  • [48:22] Mike: I decided. I'm not sure why that I wanted to see what happened.
  • [48:24] Mike: If I,
  • [48:25] Mike: you know,
  • [48:35] Mike: compressed my Penis one at the moment of ejaculation so that those semen couldn't come out. Did you ever do that? Compressed It, uh, s So the theory three runs along the bottom. I don't know that. I
  • [48:37] Keith: think it's the battle, right.
  • [48:49] Mike: It's the bottom. There's a word. There's a medical work that you could you could just Yeah, And you can just sort of push on that kind of hard. Yeah. And then I'm out. And I think I did that, and it hurt me. It actually,
  • [48:51] Mike: because
  • [49:06] Mike: it was like, you know, I mean, for example, you know, maybe I was in class in school, like in junior high, and I was like, I gotta get this nut out, But I don't have it. I can't nut in my chair. So I just I'm kidding nto
  • [49:11] Mike: No, I'm not sure why, but I think I did that. And I think it hurt. So? So I don't think you
  • [49:15] Keith: did it just for one contraction. And then the second contraction clear the system, right?
  • [49:20] Mike: I have. I have a memory of it feeling like
  • [49:25] Mike: like a sneeze, like like the way when you sneeze your throat
  • [49:40] Mike: kind of gets scraped a little by the air. I have that remember fat feeling inside my dick, basically scraping happening inside my dick and me like this is a feel good and like, Yeah, then you let the next one come on. I do think porn stars do that, though
  • [49:48] Keith: I think they do. They can. They can, like, sort of hold it back a little bit so that they get, like, Maur Velocity Exit velocity on the next street over something.
  • [49:50] Mike: I don't think it's for that. I think it's because
  • [49:52] Mike: they
  • [49:53] Mike: I think I think
  • [50:18] Mike: the reason they do that is because they are. They have two nut in a certain spot like that's supposed to give a facial. And the problem is that, like a lot of times in porn, I don't find it very compelling, important. But a lot of times they'll be like having normal p i v sex. But the script calls for the guy, then to facial Isar, so he has to make a mad dash for her face right at the end. And it's that moment of like, well, he's probably already Nutting.
  • [50:20] Mike: He's gotta hold it in so it really
  • [50:23] Keith: look good by himself. An extra second or two
  • [50:27] Mike: right? Need to do that Mad Dash. I think that plays a role in that.
  • [50:29] Keith: I feel like,
  • [50:42] Keith: well, in order to avoid that, I feel like they'll often take take their dicks out before that moment comes. And then they'll sort of jerk themselves off like I feel like that's most the ending of almost most porn's.
  • [50:48] Keith: Oh, yeah, you're right. They're probably just trying to avoid, like, making a mistake and needing to reshoot or something, so to speak.
  • [50:57] Mike: Yeah. I mean, one of the complaints I've seen actually think from women about porn is that is this notion that the guy's almost always beat off in the end.
  • [51:04] Mike: And I think that has everything to do with the fact that the porn star like if you think about his life, it's like he's just he's like,
  • [51:12] Mike: What is it like a horse that's just getting constantly like a horse that won the Triple Crown and so is just getting nut. He just did not like 27 times a day
  • [51:13] Mike: that money and he's
  • [51:14] Keith: just stuck them in me
  • [51:22] Mike: and I can't I'm not nothing anymore. Yeah, and I think it's like that. It's like it's actually stop speak. You know, it goes, we are not being funded. And what kind of painful in the lane
  • [51:25] Keith: just mechanical for them? Uh,
  • [51:29] Mike: I bet it's not always mechanical, but yeah, it's
  • [51:31] Mike: when it's the fifth time. That day. It's probably not so
  • [51:32] Keith: good.
  • [51:38] Keith: Have you ever done anything to try to alter the flavour of your semen?
  • [51:44] Mike: No. No, I haven't. Um, I do, I The thing I have noticed is the difference in what
  • [51:53] Keith: about in the other direction? Yeah. So that's where I was going. Here. Like, have you, like, avoided eating asparagus, for example, if you knew that you were gonna have some sort of encounter later.
  • [51:55] Mike: No. Okay. Is that a thing?
  • [52:02] Keith: Yeah, well, I know asparagus. Make sure Piece, moment. And I don't know if it affects semen flavor.
  • [52:02] Keith: My
  • [52:14] Mike: theory on that is that once the semen, it's sort of too late. It's like it's like the way it's the way your body is designed is like it comes out, and it kind of happens too quickly for the like, What's the person going to do?
  • [52:18] Keith: Well, I mean, I think they're either going to spit or swallow regardless,
  • [52:29] Keith: right question is, I mean, I guess the real question here is if you went to great lengths to try to affect the taste by 10% could you get more blow jobs as a result?
  • [52:29] Keith: And for
  • [52:32] Mike: you, that's actually an irrelevant question, because you would refuse all of them.
  • [52:38] Keith: It doesn't matter to me like I haven't needed to experiment on this axis because I'm ambivalent about blow jobs,
  • [53:01] Mike: Right? So the answer to that is no, doesn't matter in general because the, uh it's this. It's the texture that most women complain about actually, if you look online and, uh and I would venture that, um, most women probably have a practice and they keep the practice the same from man to man even, and they don't really ever expected to be such a great thing.
  • [53:16] Mike: And it's probably, I mean, maybe sometimes it's like, really, really revolting, but that would probably be like you have a infection or something, I don't know. So I think this is a waste of time, but I will say if you want to know what I think is the meta behind this question This is just purely like
  • [53:29] Mike: This is all the guy like the woman doesn't care that much. The guy, it's just obsessed with his Penis. And it's not like I gotta get my I gotta I gotta get my nut. He I gotta pick up my nut
  • [53:42] Mike: And that's what's going on here in this question, like it's not the woman's like What? What are you doing? Why are you drinking so much? That one ship is on and he's like, He's like, I'm making my not perfect for you. And she's like, Okay, how about you get a job?
  • [53:49] Keith: Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, apparently there are tablets. You can take that, Do the same thing called bro Malene
  • [53:53] Keith: and its enzymes or whatever. So you don't need to, like, chug pineapple juice 1st 6
  • [53:58] Mike: weeks. You've just dudes like that need to like you find a different hobby of them.
  • [54:02] Keith: Yeah, I think they're just confused about what women want. And so they're
  • [54:07] Keith: doing this, I think I think,
  • [54:11] Mike: definitely. Like, for example, one of the things that says is like a person says, like
  • [54:17] Mike: limit coffee, alcohol. They should limit alcohol. Adults smoke. Well, you should not smoke because it is
  • [54:23] Mike: makes your clothes smell like smoke and gives you lung cancer. Not because of nation takes,
  • [54:24] Mike: but I mean whatever funds
  • [54:37] Keith: you look, Maybe, uh, whatever the council that runs the cigarette ads is could be like, Oh, you know, you're gonna get your blood of ski smoke on then, like suddenly teenage smoking and men drops by, like, 80%.
  • [54:45] Mike: That's probably not true, because the woman is probably a smoker is more likely to be with a smoker. The woman will smoke, and so she probably can't taste it anyway, because you spoke
  • [54:47] Keith: a large fine.
  • [54:51] Keith: Killed. All right. Okay. I'm gonna skip to six here.
  • [54:51] Mike: All right.
  • [54:55] Keith: Um, okay. This is about secondhand sex toys.
  • [55:05] Keith: Um, and snail 7189 asks. Is it weird to be uncomfortable with my partner? She's against second
  • [55:25] Keith: sexual client of this. Not sure what sexual client in this case means that it was from a sexual client of his and it completely grossed me out, you know? So what's me to use a remote controlled vibrator that he used with his ex? Makes me super uncomfortable with the idea of using his ex girlfriend sex story dot dot dot Am I being unreasonable?
  • [55:44] Mike: Well, so my initial I just wanna be honest here. My initial emotional reaction is that the second and flesh latest really gross. But actually, the the used remote control vibrator I find sort of the remote control partisan. It's just a man fetishizing women don't. I think, in general what a remote controlled thing attached there
  • [55:47] Mike: the Giants controversial take there.
  • [55:59] Mike: I know. I think that Yeah, I think they're just, like all right, I'll do that like they don't. It doesn't do very much for them because they're not in the mood or they're not in the right situation, But, um, the fact that was used by his ex, I think that kind of hot.
  • [56:00] Mike: Well,
  • [56:03] Keith: I'm sure that guy does,
  • [56:15] Keith: but Okay, let's unpack this little bit, because I think I think I think the two different things matter. Okay, so a flashlight is a male sex toy that is shaped like a vagina.
  • [56:17] Keith: Uh, and interesting. Did you know that you could
  • [56:20] Mike: Okay? No, no, no. They have a name. This one for you.
  • [56:29] Keith: That's great. Did you know him out? Did you know that there are flesh lights that are like tailor made for your like, favorite porn star.
  • [56:33] Keith: So, like, the labia are like shaped labia. How do you pronounce that word?
  • [56:41] Keith: Okay, the labia are shaped like specifically like us, you know, whatever your favorite porn stars.
  • [56:44] Keith: Uh, okay, so that's thing. Anyway, that's not important. For the sake of this
  • [56:47] Mike: year with there is an anise and there's a mouth too.
  • [56:48] Keith: Sure,
  • [57:00] Keith: but the point is, it's a it's an orifice and its silicon, probably. And then I think it's just do they sell it with us with a special loop that makes it feel as realistic as possible. Do you know?
  • [57:03] Mike: I don't know the answer that I mean, but you can just buy
  • [57:04] Mike: it. And
  • [57:12] Keith: then, you know, I've never used one, but presumably they can't be that hard to clean. Like a big part of the engineering of such a device would be making it, you know, easily. Clean herbal.
  • [57:23] Mike: I'm looking at this, and it doesn't look very clean able to me. I mean, I'm assuming you can turn it inside out. You know, you can go to flesh light dot com and look at these things in the inside of it is pretty complicated looking
  • [57:29] Keith: and it's just it's It's a cavern, but there's no like hole at the bottom to let anything out of it.
  • [57:33] Mike: Oh, no, there is there is, but it's, ah, it.
  • [57:34] Mike: I mean,
  • [57:41] Mike: it's made of. It's made of some kind of a rubber silicon material. And so, like you just you have to ask yourself like
  • [57:46] Mike: Like OK, for example, like you could imagine a female toy that was like basically a piece of metal
  • [57:58] Mike: or a piece of glass. People of glass ones. Well, then I would be like, Look, it's glass like you can. I think you can, like, completely sterilized glass. That's why they use it for beverages in restaurants over there right now.
  • [58:01] Mike: But this thing I'm not, I'm not sure you can. Still,
  • [58:02] Mike: well,
  • [58:06] Keith: what would you be sterilizing it off?
  • [58:08] Mike: Not
  • [58:09] Mike: lots of nut. Well,
  • [58:13] Keith: the sperm dies and whatever. I mean,
  • [58:16] Keith: as long as you know there's no like crusty residue
  • [58:20] Keith: like there's no like disease risk, for example.
  • [58:26] Mike: I mean, there could be some mold there something, but but I think I think it's mostly know people
  • [58:31] Keith: are things that would happen just by yourself. using it twice.
  • [58:36] Mike: Well, people don't mind their own nut as much as except apparently you
  • [58:40] Keith: So, Yeah. I'm definitely not interested in my own nut. Yeah,
  • [58:52] Mike: yeah, but it's But it wouldn't stop you. Probably from using a flashlight twice. I mean, I'm assuming you would wash it, but like it wouldn't, you know, prevent you from using it more than once. I'm guessing. Yeah, just like you use your hand more than once trying.
  • [58:54] Keith: Yeah, but I wash it in between.
  • [59:01] Mike: And you and your role of your weird You're weird roll of paper towels.
  • [59:05] Keith: I go to Costco every once in a while because, you know, you could go through them quickly.
  • [59:07] Keith: Right?
  • [59:11] Keith: Okay. So All right. So that's the flashlight. Now, as for the vibrator, like,
  • [59:15] Keith: those are easy to clean now. I understand.
  • [59:19] Mike: It depends. It could be made of the same material. Is the flashlight easily?
  • [59:21] Mike: Yeah,
  • [59:24] Mike: but I saw it
  • [59:25] Mike: rinse
  • [59:31] Mike: off. I mean, I think it's just like it's your talking about, almost like a medical device, right?
  • [59:32] Mike: That's the problem.
  • [59:39] Mike: Like people don't want Like, if oh, well, okay, so here we have a nice topic.
  • [59:44] Mike: So I find, for example, your procedure of sharing toothbrushes with a girlfriend? Yeah,
  • [59:46] Mike: revolting.
  • [59:48] Mike: And I think those people, like
  • [59:51] Mike: would agree with me on that, that it just is revolting. And this is like,
  • [59:57] Keith: It's not how How is sharing a toothbrush any different than making out?
  • [59:59] Mike: Because, Keith,
  • [60:01] Mike: when you are aroused,
  • [60:11] Mike: it lowers your disgust. Uh, reflex is the wrong word, but it lowers. It, makes it so your brain feels less discussed, and there's lots of studies that show this.
  • [60:19] Mike: So when you're making out like you can overcome the natural discussed it like basically coming into contact with something, just like wouldn't it gross you out yourself? Some random guy spit in your
  • [60:31] Keith: mouth, would. But I am generally, uh, not it all turned off by, like fluids for my partner. So, for example, let's say, uh,
  • [60:52] Keith: let's say, Let's say you and I were having lunch, okay? And there was a bottle of coke and you took a sip from it. And like when you removed it from your mouth, there was, like, a little, you know, stream of spittle. You know how that happens sometimes. Think of this. Okay. All right. I would be like to discuss and then you're like, Oh, do you want to sit? Then I'd be like, Fuck, no, I do not want to sit. Okay, Um,
  • [60:58] Keith: my friend, or you know, someone. I would like to be my girlfriend. I think
  • [61:15] Keith: I am. I'm not sure if it would be a turn on, but it But it at worst, it's neutral. Um, and it could be, like, almost like a mile turn. Like I don't find fluids from my partner. Like, even even, like, sweat or, uh, other things. Um, I don't find it. I don't find it a turn off it
  • [61:16] Mike: all.
  • [61:19] Mike: Well, I mean, you would find their puss Gross. Right.
  • [61:21] Keith: Um,
  • [61:38] Keith: don't don't e would I would. I'm trying, though, that the reason why I paused there is I was trying to think of like I would find their puss worse than mine. I will point out that there is a saga or people popping pimples of their partners.
  • [61:40] Mike: I don't like that was I'd rather watch the watch. People die
  • [61:42] Keith: from really influence. And it's there, by the way.
  • [61:44] Mike: It's disgusting,
  • [61:44] Mike: but
  • [62:10] Keith: yeah, I mean, like, people do get turned on, like, you know, some people have like, back acne and like people getting turned on by like helping their partner's way. Look, the point is, the point is, I think there is a spectrum of amount of discussed by your partner's fluids here, and I'm not sure where I fall versus where you feel like I'm obviously sort of more tolerance and you're obviously more intolerance. But ah,
  • [62:14] Keith: yeah, So anyway, yeah, why did I can't remember why the toothbrush came up.
  • [62:22] Mike: Oh, because because you were trying to understand why somebody would be grossed out by somebody else's semen or something. L And I was saying, You know, maybe you just have, like, a little Let's
  • [62:40] Keith: see, Let's say it's It's not a vibrator, it's a dildo. Okay? And you could put it in the dishwasher on the hot cycle, and it had been through the hot cycle 100 times. So, you know, it's like, absolutely clean. Uh, there is no physical problem with re using this device. Umm,
  • [62:45] Keith: it's just there's an emotional problem, right?
  • [62:53] Mike: At that point, I would agree, assuming that it was made of a material that didn't sort of couldn't sort of harbor stuff, which I think sometimes those things are
  • [63:07] Keith: They're going to general? Yes, in the silicon or something. You know, like when you make like cookies and like, you have a blender like a little bit of dough can, like, you know, get stuck in, You know, like the gears of the blender or whatever. Like, maybe it's similar to this. Like you
  • [63:09] Mike: were talking about pores like
  • [63:16] Mike: we're kind of like pores. Oh, it's porous. I see. Yeah, that's the issue, right?
  • [63:21] Mike: So if it was, if it's not pours, that's that's the key word there. If it's not porous than you get a
  • [63:26] Keith: silicate robbery stuff not Is that self porous?
  • [63:27] Mike: I think so.
  • [63:28] Keith: Okay.
  • [63:35] Keith: I mean, look for me. I would just buy new because I wouldn't wanna have this conversation And, like, you know, maybe I have.
  • [63:38] Mike: So if you were so if you had a girlfriend, let's just
  • [63:46] Mike: if you had a girlfriend and you wanted to give her anal and she said, All right, well, I have to peg you first. You would. You would want to get a new dildo. You wouldn't wanna have the limit her last. I
  • [63:55] Keith: mean, this is what this is. Apples to oranges here. Like she's talking about using a vibrator that had been presumably inside the previous partner
  • [64:00] Keith: or, you know, along the clearest of, um And so
  • [64:17] Keith: that's that's one thing you're saying using the same device on myself. Like I probably wouldn't have any problem with that other than, like, you maybe have sentimental value attached to give it to the old toy. You know, it reminded me of my acts, like, you know, but modular that
  • [64:19] Mike: I care.
  • [64:22] Mike: I'm saying that I was referencing back to the ER
  • [64:26] Mike: pegging conversation. I was saying that if you had a
  • [64:29] Mike: girlfriend that you wanted to analyze and
  • [64:37] Mike: she said, All right, but I have to build a peg. You first. You're like, Okay, fine. Then she's like, and also I'm gonna use the tagging dildo that I used on fresh
  • [64:42] Keith: Oh, I see what you're saying, fool boy.
  • [64:44] Keith: Yeah. Gets gonna
  • [64:52] Keith: Yeah, well, I would wonder. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Okay. I see. What? Yeah. Okay. Good, good, good, good, good. Um,
  • [64:54] Mike: she's like she's like, I call this one the
  • [64:56] Keith: crap
  • [64:59] Keith: she's like, She's like, I've had anal several times, but there's just
  • [65:01] Mike: one rule.
  • [65:04] Mike: Yeah, you have to take this in the rail. Um,
  • [65:09] Keith: and yeah, this is the 8th 8th man who has snatched.
  • [65:13] Keith: Ah, yeah. Um,
  • [65:20] Keith: you know what? I think I actually would be assuming it's clean. I think I'd be like, whatever,
  • [65:23] Keith: but I can. I can imagine you wouldn't feel that way
  • [65:26] Mike: better man than I am. There you go.
  • [65:31] Mike: All right, well, we don't know if we have time to get into how I realized. I'm not by
  • [65:34] Keith: Yeah, we have all these topics here, but a
  • [65:49] Mike: guy with a micro Penis, Uh, the woman who wants to watch guys? Not really. Look at that one. Yeah. I'll get deleted it and spill the M f M spit roast. We can talk about the difference between a m f m and M M f. And Mmm.
  • [65:54] Mike: We'll have to wait till next time for that. And we got a lot of that. We got a lot more material here, but I think we need to wrap it up.
  • [66:01] Keith: Yeah, Yeah. Everything. Stuff for people to look forward to. Okay, so wrap it up now.