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Episode 103: Who Is Keith?, Labia Comments, Male Semen Eating, Penis Smell, Naked Youtube

Team YMMV | 2-2-2023 | 1:01:27

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We discuss Keith's past and future in response to a listener email asking for more details. A woman wants to know whether she should continue seeing a man after he made pretty aggressive comments about her labia.

Another woman is concerned that her boyfriend's interest in semen, revealed while high, might be a dealbreaker. We discuss folks who fetishize finding pornographic content on Youtube. And, what are penises supposed to smell like?

Finally, As it's the beginning of the month of February, I asked ChatGPT to compose me an Ode To Stupidity, which it did. Here's an excerpt for your enjoyment:

Ode to Stupidity

Oh, Stupidity, you ever-present blight, Your presence taints us day and night. You bring us down and make us weak, Your power is a force to be reckoned with.

You crush our hopes and dreams, You make us doubt our worth and schemes. Your toxic presence makes us doubt our minds, Your power has no bounds or binds.

You spread like wildfire and consume all in your path, Your destruction is a sight to behold with wrath. You make us take the wrong paths, You make us think that our knowledge and skills are not enough.

Oh, Stupidity, you are truly the enemy of all, Your power binds us and makes us feel so small. But we must be strong and fight your might, And prove that we are smarter than your spite.

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/103/smell

https://ymmv.me/103/labia

https://ymmv.me/103/semen

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

[00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is controversial but mostly in good faith on today's show we'll be discussing ah penis smell labia shape sexless marriages owned semen consumption and much more and Keith. My co-host is Mike hello mike yeah you of course are our resident expert on that topic. So looking forward to getting your getting your insight. Ah you put in our little spreadsheet here.
[00:17] Mike: Hi Keith can't wait for that own semen consumption. Bright right? It's true. Yeah.
[00:35] Keith: Youtube Pussy What is that.
[00:38] Mike: Okay, so this is a they've been they the powers that be a Reddit have been shutting down systematically the subreddits that I enjoyed in the past because of this thing where they're they're banning subreddits that don't have um moderators and.
[00:52] Keith: Okay.
[00:54] Mike: It's really annoying I mean this is analogous or sort of reminds me of the thing that happened sometime back where pornhub basically killed 90% of their content because they couldn't verify who the people were in um, you know so so I've been forced to go out and you know it's like.
[01:02] Keith: Right? right.
[01:12] Mike: Find new sources of content and 1 of the places I go is and nsf w 4 one 1 which is a site that um people ask for? you know hey I'd like to find a subreddit or a site that's got you know some weird fetish or something. And anyway one of the ones that I've encountered from this is something called Youtube pussy and this is a group of people who fetishize or get excited about finding videos on Youtube that show naked women.
[01:43] Keith: Ah, so it's gotten around Youtube's content moderation. Somehow.
[01:47] Mike: Yes, so so there's a couple things there that I thought you would enjoy Ah one is there and I don't know I think it's a Brazilian or Portuguese speaker I'm not not positive on that. Ah, but it's a person who gives every indication of being a doctor but clearly in my view is not a doctor.
[02:02] Keith: Okay, oh no.
[02:04] Mike: But they have like a um, a doctor's chair for a woman to sit in and and and they basically make these videos that sort of purport to be medical videos of ah the women's female anatomy but it's very clearly just porn that they're trying to count on Youtube.
[02:14] Keith: Yeah, wow.
[02:20] Mike: Ah, so you know he'll be like ah let's now we're going to show you how you you know the pleasure or you know how the clitoris works and then they'll do various things and she'll have various reactions. Ah you know? And yeah, so so there must be some sort of fetish around that another one is waxing and shaving. Ah.
[02:35] Keith: This is a subreddit or this is a I see I see.
[02:39] Mike: No no on Youtube pussy basically like there's like there's a category of videos that Youtube allows so I don't I think Youtube is allowing these through because they have educational or other value or merit. So. Ah yeah, you can absolutely find videos on Youtube of women being waxed. Ah, that show every you know because it's educational, right? They're showing you how you would do it and yeah and then a third category is women wearing sort of trying on clothes and so the clothes can be extremely sheer and ah.
[02:58] Keith: For sure. Yeah, how else would you learn.
[03:13] Mike: I Think sometimes that's considered okay because it's the primary point is not erotic but I just think it's interesting that there is ah basically a fetish that's been created by.
[03:16] Keith: Yeah.
[03:25] Mike: The existence of content moderation right? So people are getting off I mean this must be the case because obviously any one of these videos could be on porn hub or another similar site but people are getting off on the fact that oh this has made it to Youtube and so they're they're they're aroused by the skirting of the rules.
[03:35] Keith: Right.
[03:42] Mike: And and and something being mainstreamed.
[03:43] Keith: Um, does that amp up its interestingness to you at all.
[03:48] Mike: Only I think not not erotically I think only in like a scientific sense I think it's interesting to see what what gets through and then also I'm curious about this seeming fetish that people appear to have.
[04:00] Keith: Right? right? right.
[04:04] Mike: Ah, you haven't even encountered it. So obviously it's not particularly compelling to you.
[04:08] Keith: Well I mean figuring out various ways to skirt around Youtube and Meta's ah censoring apparatus has been an exercise people have been very interested in and and then you know of course there's you know this like free the nipple. Campaign and these kinds of things and so yeah I mean I guess it's intellectually interesting to see how people are doing this and then like on Tiktok they have like the strictest censoring and the the paradigm there is. There's certain words you can't say and so people have like euphemistic. Things they say is that right? You're the Tiktok expert.
[04:46] Mike: That's right? So I mean yeah, instead of porn you would say corn. Ah, you wouldn't say they they'll basically leave out the words for genitals things like that. Um, yeah, but there are porn stars on Tiktok I mean I just yesterday was doing my daily plank.
[04:55] Keith: Why.
[05:03] Mike: And ah during those minutes I watch Tiktok and I try to keep it just to those minutes. That's the way I've been limiting my tick and that's been working. But anyway there was a woman on there who was asked um some question about ah how porn you know how.
[05:06] Keith: Yeah, ah.
[05:22] Mike: How it is to get recognized for doing porn if she starts getting recognized in public things like that and basically what she said I thought this was interesting was she said the minute you do your first scene. Everyone starts recognizing it. She basically said like that ah the kind of effect to your kind of real life karma as it is as it were like.
[05:24] Keith: Yeah.
[05:40] Mike: The the change in that karmatic score that women experience happens the minute. The first scene gets published.
[05:44] Keith: I wonder I mean I believe she believes that I wonder if that's actually true I mean the confounding variable is she knows that she has done her first scene and so she might now be hypersensitive to it and she may be perceiving that she's being recognized.
[06:04] Mike: She said it. So 1 thing she said that I thought was sort of interesting was that ah during the first and this could be true for a few different reasons but for during the first say month that a woman is in the industry. There's a certain amount of like love bombing that happens and and almost ah keeping.
[06:04] Keith: Ah.
[06:21] Mike: But actually not almost in keeping to the extent possible The the woman the newly minted Porn star away from the public and her view is that part of the reason that's happening is that that the studio or producer director. Whatever they're trying to keep as long as possible. Yeah, they're trying to keep as long as possible. The innocence.
[06:34] Keith: Shelter.
[06:40] Mike: That the woman has and as soon as she actually realizes that now everybody in the world has seen her naked. It fundamentally changes her character and and that somehow their performance is then subsequently or different. So I mean there there's that too.
[06:44] Keith: Um, yeah.
[06:50] Keith: Right? Yeah I mean abusingly just as you have semen consuming experience. You also have had the experience of being recognized for being a porn star. Do you remember I know.
[06:57] Mike: Now Lord. True but I wasn't I'm yes I was that we were on a he did he thought I was a male gay porn actor actually and I still don't know which one it's unclear I figured I probably do resent. Well.
[07:07] Keith: I Know that was the irony of course, but that guy was so convinced that you were some sort of porn actor right? Yeah I mean to be fair if you were to be fair if you were a male porn gay Porn actor.
[07:22] Mike: Yeah.
[07:26] Keith: You would probably say you weren't if a fan came up in public right.
[07:30] Mike: Right? He didn't believe me at all and but I would say that I do think that um I probably do resemble ah many gay male born actors but from the waist down only from waist down. Yes, thank you.
[07:40] Keith: This is the easiest joke of all time. Yeah well done all right? Ah all right? So Youtube Pussy is there a subreddit that that categorizes this stuff. Okay, and and it's called Ok got it all right.
[07:49] Mike: Yes, yes, /r/youtube pussy yes
[07:57] Keith: Do we want to talk about this sort of odd I don't know fan Mail is the right word here but email we received right.
[08:04] Mike: Yeah, definitely do you want I mean this person wanted to know details about you Keith maybe yeah, we could construct this in in the form of me asking you the questions this person wanted to ask I don't know um it's.
[08:15] Keith: Yeah, yeah I mean I'm so I am not convinced that this person is not someone who personally knows me because like the number of details. They know about me while they are all things that have been revealed on the podcast and.
[08:21] Mike: I Think that might be good.
[08:35] Keith: Actually have a couple things wrong. It's just it's so much knowledge about me that like I feel like they would have had to have listened to like 15 plus episodes and really been paying attention to collate all this information. So.
[08:37] Mike: Yes.
[08:49] Mike: I think they probably did We have ah a number quite a number of listeners and the ones we have are quite sticky which is why we encourage people to subscribe and to tell it to the extent you can. It's hard. It's hard to spread the knowledge about us podcast like this because it reveals your interest in a topic that everyone's interested in. But.
[08:52] Keith: Yeah.
[08:58] Keith: Um, yeah.
[09:04] Keith: Um, yeah.
[09:05] Mike: People don't like to admit it? Um, but you do you do? So I don't know there might be questions in here that you don't want to answer and that's why I don't know if okay, all right? So why don't I I can I can pose this guy's questions to you and you can take the time you need and maybe I'll ask clarification. But I think I think you have a lot to say here. Okay so I'll start here is Keith.
[09:10] Keith: Now I think I'm comfortable with all of these questions. Yeah.
[09:22] Keith: Ah, yeah, yes, mm.
[09:24] Mike: You are a man who has it all. You have an ivy education run marathons travel to 80 plus countries have loads of money and sleep with loads of women first question. That's good and that's a great resume. You should put that on your Linkedin First question.
[09:34] Keith: Um, ah yeah, ah yes I have ah wait I Always forget wait was it.
[09:41] Mike: Have you ever had an std.
[09:51] Keith: Like did I have Gonorrhea or did I have Chlamydia I think it was Chlamydia wait but didn't we decide that gonerhe was the clap which is the clap. Yeah I didn't have the clap I had yeah the clap is a slang term for gonorrhea. Yeah, ok so I had chlamydia.
[09:53] Mike: Which one's the clap. Yeah, so I guess it's Ch Clemidia Yeah, you had chlamineia right? Its okay. Once.
[10:10] Keith: Ah, few years ago. Yeah, and I don't know who gave it to me I tried to do a forensic analysis of past partners but all of them said that they did not have it and. Ah, yeah, you just take an antibiotic and then it goes away I took a test and it oh ah.
[10:30] Mike: How did you determine you had it? No no, but how did you what? what caused you to take the test.
[10:43] Keith: There was a symptom there's something wrong with my dick I don't remember what it was though I don't think it was dripping I again think that's chlamydia like maybe it burned when I peed or something I think it burned when I peed yeah it wasn't dripping.
[10:45] Mike: Was it dripping I know you had Chlamydia you think dripping was gonorrhea. Okay, you think it was burning. Okay.
[10:59] Keith: It wasn't tripping. Yeah I think my symptom was that it was burning I think men are often asymptomatic with some of these stds but I wasn't and it's possible because men are asymptomatic. They can you know have it for months and you know maybe pass it on to a bunch of people.
[11:03] Mike: Okay, that's right.
[11:15] Mike: I've had burning on my penis before but it turned out to be just from rubbing against the front of my running shorts. So.
[11:19] Keith: I had that very problem on Tuesday I was at the track I was trying these new renderwear is the name of the company and they're probably not going to sponsor this after I say what I'm about to say which is.
[11:29] Mike: Okay.
[11:36] Keith: Ah, yeah I was wearing them under the tights and I normally wear shorts but was wearing tights because it was cold and yeah I like chafed my penis the whole run was uncomfortable.
[11:44] Mike: Ah, do you wear when you wear tights to run. Do you wear shorts over the tights. Okay I was made fun of I mean we may have discussed this before on the podcast I had a guy really start laughing at me because he said that men should always wear shorts over the tights when running.
[11:48] Keith: No.
[11:55] Keith: Ah.
[12:01] Mike: In public because otherwise like your your junk is in view. Although I mean to be fair like that I mean it's somewhat common for men to wear I mean like if you're wearing a speedo for example to swim. But anyway have you considered this question.
[12:13] Keith: Um, yes, my sizable bulge is visible but I I view that as a pro.
[12:17] Mike: Okay, you know, yeah, it's not a concern. Okay, so let's go to the next question here. This is the one I don't know okay are you still seeing Allie and they mean Alyssa not Allie the sometimes guest on the program.
[12:29] Keith: Yeah, yeah, it's unclear whether they know that Allie and Alyssa are different people. But no I am not still seeing Alissa we broke up a few months ago I don't
[12:35] Mike: That's what they mean.
[12:44] Mike: Is there any more you want to say about that or ok, ah do you want to settle down and marry.
[12:47] Keith: Think so.
[12:53] Keith: Ah, conceptually. But I think so I'm 42 and I am unmarried I have had a series of lengthy relationships a a five year one a few three year ones a few two year ones. And I have ah not yet found someone who compels me to pop the question although in some of those longer relationships I obviously absolutely considered it. But yeah I'm a little bit. Ah maybe i'm. Maybe I'm too picky but my opinion is that most other people are not picky enough I think I don't know if it's half anymore but a large number of marriages end in divorce and then the marriages that don't end in divorce how many of those should end in Divorce you know, maybe it's half again. So. You know? Yeah I ah I would like to settle down and get married but I would to do that you have to find someone that compels you to do that and as of yet that has not happened.
[14:00] Mike: So I have on that note, there's somebody that I know ah who is a young woman of maybe her mid 20 s and she graduated from college and took a job and met a guy at her job.
[14:15] Keith: Ah, okay, how old is she now.
[14:16] Mike: And she has just recently got engaged to the man that she met at the job meaning that essentially in mid 20 s say 25 26 what are your thoughts on that as a like a life choice. So so in other words, she out of out of college I think it's fair to assume that this is the first person that she's dated.
[14:33] Keith: Right? Yeah I mean we talked about the secretary problem a few episodes ago but I feel like most people date seriously fewer than 5 people in their life and most people might even date seriously.
[14:34] Mike: Seriously after call it and they work together.
[14:52] Keith: Only 1 person and how can you be sure how good of a match that person is for you like how can you be sure what a romantic partnership can be if you've only.
[14:54] Mike: Ah.
[15:09] Keith: If your sample size is 1 or 2 or 3 people and so you know if you're making if you're getting married in your mid 20 s it just seems to me, you're taking it as a matter of faith that this person is you know say. And Eightieth percentile partner for you but more likely they're you know, probably around fiftieth right.
[15:35] Mike: Right? How many would would You is there a commonality among the different breakups that you've had like a you have you ever had a woman break up with you.
[15:46] Keith: Yes, but it's often because I'm being a shithead and no longer attending to the relationship like that. There's sort of almost like I'm too cowardly to do the to do the right thing.
[15:56] Mike: Okay.
[16:01] Mike: Ty Soon that may have gotten something something that may be something you've gotten better at as time goes on often people improve at that.
[16:03] Keith: And so things just sort of drag on.
[16:08] Keith: Yeah.
[16:13] Mike: But okay and is there a common ah reason why you either ah break up with them or start behaving like a shithead and precipitate. They're breaking up with you is there a common thread there.
[16:19] Keith: Maybe I think you know after enough time I sort of maybe don't even want to acknowledge to myself because there's this huge sunk cost but you know I sort of recognize that there are various things that I think may be permanent incompatibilities.
[16:37] Mike: Hurt.
[16:39] Keith: And you know you can go to therapy you can try to make some adjustments you can you know, try to talk things through but sometimes people just aren't a great match and yeah I think the common thread is that. Haven't met someone that ticks enough boxes yet.
[17:05] Mike: Interesting, Um, okay, the next question this guy asked which is very similar is would you like to have children and I think this relates to whether you would consider having a vasecctomy so you can throw that in there too.
[17:17] Keith: Right? Ah I would conceptually have children with somebody who compelled me but I'm definitely a strong and inclination toward. No I mean for starters I'm 42 so like let's say. I meet the woman of my dreams tomorrow. You know on some sort of like nominal trajectory Let's say we get married in two years now I'm 44 she gets pregnant immediately. You know now the baby is born when I'm 45 I would like to be an active participant and helpful. And for like raising of ah of an infant and you know you could probably you know hack it at 45 but already you know she's probably going to be younger in this situation. Ah, she'll already be doing the lion share of the work and like every incremental year. She'll be doing even more of the lion's share and so. Yeah, I'm not super enthusiastic about having a child when I'm geriatric and so yeah, I'm like running out of window here and I also really like being able to do whatever I want whenever I want so this person would have to really want children I would I would prefer to meet a partner that doesn't want children. But if I met a partner that was so great that I thought it was worth sacrificing the liberty I have to do whatever I want I would I would consider it. But yeah, my inclination is no.
[18:41] Mike: And this that I assume that plays a role in the vasectomy question as well is like there's some in principle situation where you could have a woman that's really compelling that if you'd had a vasecctomy would not find you interesting. Okay, what about? yeah.
[18:50] Keith: Right? I I think it is let but let me let me put that a little bit more clearly I think it is possible I can meet a woman that is so compelling that and wants children that I'm willing to sort of had yeah have children with them.
[18:58] Mike: Okay.
[19:06] Mike: Compromise.
[19:10] Keith: And it could be the case that if I had had a vasecctomy that'll be a deal breaker for her and so by having a vasecctomy I I eliminate the possibility of ever being with someone like that and while I acknowledge that's a fairly small possibility I Guess I'm selfish enough that I'm not willing to actually get a vasectomy. On the other hand I can imagine meeting a woman that compels me so much that she could convince me to get a vasectomy.
[19:35] Mike: They there is a thing you can do where you like you know Nu a bunch of times at a petri dish and they save that and then you have a vasectomy.
[19:45] Keith: Um, Alisa told me I think it was Alyssa you can actually reverse vasectomies too.
[19:50] Mike: That's true. You can I mean they did it on famously in the office with the snip snap snp snap. Yeah um, ah there was a oh and I assume that um the reason why you don't have an interest in the strategy if you can call it a strategy employed by Elon Musk of just.
[19:53] Keith: Right.
[20:07] Mike: Having children with everyone is financial that do just spews out children like.
[20:09] Keith: Yeah I don't share Elon's financial situation. Yeah I mean I've been thinking about that I mean look I know he claims his philosophy is that there needs to be more children in the world and he sort of like says tongue in cheek that he's doing his part.
[20:24] Mike: Sure and everybody knows the best child is one without a present father right.
[20:28] Keith: Right? Yeah or or one who's insane. Why I bet the mitigating factor of having millions of dollars actually supersedes the well maybe not, they'll just have so much privilege that.
[20:42] Mike: Oh because the kid is going to get a bunch of money. Sure yeah, any if I've learned anything from stories like ah Lisa Marie Pressley or Michael Jackson's kids. It's that those people born with lots of money. Do great.
[20:47] Keith: That might overcome the lack of a present father I'm not sure.
[20:58] Mike: Wait. Ah.
[20:59] Keith: Ah, isn't isn't um, not Lisa Marie who's the mom Priscilla isn't priscilla still alive huh? yeah.
[21:07] Mike: Priscilla. Yes, oh yeah, she's the last 1 standing. Yes, she has not gone to meet zeno yet. Okay, all right? ah doesn't running around get old after a while and this is.
[21:16] Keith: Okay, what's next.
[21:21] Keith: What do you think? what do you think they mean by running around.
[21:23] Mike: Sounds like a woman saying this they mean having sex with lots of different chicks.
[21:30] Keith: Ah, no, it does not I mean the it's It's pretty time consuming to ah to to online date and I do miss. Ah, it's really nice having a.
[21:39] Mike: Um, no, it doesn't hide. Um.
[21:48] Keith: Ah, serious monogamous partner doesn't need to be meant doesn't need to be monogamous, but like it's nice like just having someone who like knows about you and cares about you and.
[21:48] Mike: Really.
[21:58] Mike: Um, but doesn't the doesn't the um, increased nut intensity and everything else associated with relatively frequent new Partners you know doesn't that compete at least with the experience of a constant partner.
[22:13] Keith: It does but like what percentage of your days are you in sexual encounters. Best case like 1%
[22:23] Mike: I mean it depends that do you count beating off as sexual encounter. Okay, okay, so yeah, it's not not not that large of a percentage that's true. Yeah.
[22:26] Keith: No, not in the context of this conversation. And yeah, and and you know you you get value out of a serious committed partner in that.
[22:42] Mike: This reminds me. Okay, so a couple things. Ah sorry this is breaking into your the little interview here. But um, okay so you have a friend that brought up that he also does he doesn't use visual porn.
[22:49] Keith: Ah.
[22:56] Keith: Oh yeah.
[22:57] Mike: Much to masturbate just like this other person that that I then got a hate call from because I was making we were making fun of his use of gone wild audio. So your friend said oh I do that to fantasize and the reason this came up my head actually is because I was thinking Well let's just ask this question first. So.
[23:08] Keith: Um.
[23:16] Mike: When you let's say you're doing that I know this is seldom for you. You usually do use visual stimuli to masturbate. But let's say you were impaired in that way and needed to fantasize would you be more likely to fantasize about an encounter you had that was sort of a first encounter with a new partner or a long-term partner.
[23:29] Keith: Man. Yeah I mean the answer to this is so obvious it's like yeah like I mean look we've had some episodes where we've read about men like masturbating the pictures of their wife and.
[23:38] Mike: Which which is it.
[23:46] Mike: Oh.
[23:49] Keith: You and I both like immediately drew the correct conclusion that they were probably pretending to do that to massage. Their wife's egos like it's ah it's so impossible to believe that ah somebody would prefer to fantasize about their forever partner. That's the.
[23:57] Mike: Um, yeah.
[24:08] Keith: It's not impossible I Just think it's vanishingly unlikely. Yeah, so yeah, like novelty is sort of the ultimate aphrodisiac.
[24:14] Mike: Okay, so you would but but but even so you think that the um more constant stimulation of the consistent partner exceeds the value of the much higher stimulation you you Bait. You would not be a good member of the having fun hobbying subreddit who's. Motto is something about variety volume and I forget the other V vaginismus I don't know.
[24:37] Keith: yeah yeah I wonder what like my perfect cadence would be might be something like a series of three month long relationships. So you're you're basically getting a little bit of both.
[24:49] Mike: Yeah, it's volume value in variety. Okay, so and and then on this topic of the audio only visualization or whatever you imagination masturbators like I don't know what to say I mean I think we can agree that. We just happen to know a couple people that are a little bit out of the norm there I don't.
[25:10] Keith: Yeah, yeah, just so our listeners have the full context a good friend of mine revealed to me this week that he almost never uses pornography when he masturbates and I don't know if it's irritate. it's it's it's such a like.
[25:21] Mike: Yeah, that's really irritating to me what's wrong with him.
[25:29] Keith: What would it be like it would be like having access to you know, like perfect wag you steak and then like constantly choosing to eat Mcdonald's or something like I don't you can do this thing that will make it so much better and yet you don't and so like I don't know if it's.
[25:31] Mike: Um, yeah.
[25:37] Mike: Yes.
[25:47] Keith: What did you say? what was the word you used irritating but to me it's just confusing like I don't I don't understand.
[25:48] Mike: Yeah, you're imitating.
[25:54] Mike: It irritates me in the way that like amish people irritate me a little. It's like look okay fine. You got your little thing of the mennonites I mean fine. It's I Very much believe people shove the liberty to live their life. The way they want but it's it's just like guys like come on you. There's these labor saving devices out there and I just.
[26:10] Keith: Right? right.
[26:13] Mike: And want to understand and also ah, there's another thing which sort of bothers me which is like what is in this man's imagination like is there something in there that I don't have access to so that's also worrying.
[26:22] Keith: Um, well yeah I I I suspect that my frequent use of Pornography has some downstream negative effects. Ah I bet it makes my like craving a variety.
[26:31] Mike: No I think I don't think so I think it's only I was only positive.
[26:39] Keith: I bet it exacerbates that in ah in a in a measurable way.
[26:44] Mike: I Okay I I think that's probably true but I think in general I think that ah I think the only real downside of porn is that I do think they're women an example is like the girls do porn sort of debacle where you had women that clearly didn't.
[26:59] Keith: Oh yeah, it's the industry itself is kind of depraved and exploitive Exploit toative.
[27:00] Mike: Want to be doing or didn't understand I think that's definitely a downside. That's right? but for men for men I think that it I know that there's like this line of reasoning that says. Yeah, basically that it it it messes up it screws up the yeah yeah, it sort of sort of the the.
[27:14] Keith: Brain chemistry of since some way.
[27:20] Mike: Give and take that's expected in relationships I think that the I think it mostly calms men down.
[27:25] Keith: Yeah I mean it's tricky because there's like the good faith arguments about watching too much porn and then there's the bad faith arguments about watching too much porn and they get conflated and so it's hard to have a reasonable conversation about it right.
[27:35] Mike: Sure Well some of it's just going to be someone with a religious perspective who thinks you shouldn't.
[27:43] Keith: Those those in my argument in my in my in my mind are bad faith and sort of uninteresting. But yeah, this notion that you can break your brain in some way. It's like having like constant access to as much visual stimulus as you want. Could have some like negative consequences. But as you as you say like not constantly being on edge and like craving you know, sexual satisfaction might have some positive impacts at least on society because you don't have all these like sex depraved. Sex-ep deprived men running around.
[28:22] Mike: And you're to be clear. You're certain that your friend does not have some religious or moral conviction that prevents him from using this. It's just a ah choice. That's really weird.
[28:28] Keith: Yes, he he has used porn plenty but elects not to and I don't think it's for like no fap like I don't think he's like trying to like rewire his brain like I have occasionally tried to go a few weeks without watching porn.
[28:47] Mike: Yeah.
[28:47] Keith: Ah, usually fail. Well I mean I'm currently on a zero day streak um ah but ah, yeah, yeah, like yeah I don't think he's doing it for so it's for some sort of like betterment I think he just prefers it.
[29:04] Mike: Yeah I don't understand that at all all right? Let's go to the next question here. Um, so ah, how do you and do you earn the money to travel as much as you do.
[29:07] Keith: Um, yeah.
[29:14] Keith: I Mean the short answer is I've had the privilege to have a master's degree in computer engineering from an Ivy league school and I live in the Bay area and people overpay for people who have my qualifications.
[29:32] Mike: Right? And yeah.
[29:34] Keith: Also I'm I'm a decent technical engineer. So it's not just my qualifications.
[29:42] Mike: Got it and related question is do you currently work.
[29:50] Keith: Sometimes Ah I I get paid enough when I do work that I don't have to work as often as other people do.
[29:50] Mike: Yeah.
[29:59] Mike: Yeah I would say I I would be I would jump in here and comment that I think that's a really common that kind of just from reading sugar lifestyle forum for example on the sugar daddy sugar baby front I think that's a very common lifestyle I think there are 2 types of. Well I mean you of course you could have somebody who lies between them but a common set of 2 lifestyles that are there is somebody who just like has a ton of money that they inherited or something I think that's much less common and then what Keith's describing I think is much more common is a guy who just has um, developed a network and capabilities that may enable him to kind of.
[30:37] Keith: Yeah I I can slow paddle.
[30:38] Mike: Run his life The way he wants and some people buy you know? yeah some people buy expensive cars or have ah you know, get married and divorced a bunch of times and owe a lot of alimony and some guys simply make their lives better. So it's not it.
[30:51] Keith: Yeah I don't even own a car. My lived in the same apartment for 15 years and I have the ability to make money. Basically as I please and so I I mean I did nothing to like deserve this. It's all privilege but it's a.
[30:56] Mike: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[31:11] Keith: Pretty nice setup right? right.
[31:11] Mike: And this is all of course Jerome Powell willing if the economy were to get destroyed. You never then anything could happen all right. So here. We go. This is a longer form one usually in high school. The social hierarchy is led by athletes and cheerleaders with awkward nerds on the bottom. Afterwards it flips upside down the fat and ugly ex- athleteletes and cheerleaders living in the past and the awkward nerds come out of their shell etc was this you which I'm not sure which one you're supposed to be and then do you feel good at the reunion. Yeah.
[31:40] Keith: Um, this question this this question, especially that final part did you feel good at the reunion I know yeah the grammar is suspiciously.
[31:46] Mike: It says do you feel good. Not did you feel you know? Well, it's it's it's like do you in general feel good at the reunion. You know.
[31:57] Keith: So I was not um I was a very awkward teenager like lots of people say this. But yeah, my high school had 150 people or so in the graduating class like in terms of like clout. Was probably tenth or fifteenth percentile um, which is quite low like I I wasn't particularly yeah like I was pretty ugly I I you know acne problems and wasn't in as good shape as I am now and.
[32:18] Mike: Ah.
[32:33] Keith: You know I hadn't figured out how to dress myself yet and I was I was shy too and so that's sort of like a Killer combo. Um, you know like all my prom dates were like basically people that were like friends in my clique and you know they. You don't didn't have a date either. So It's you know it's like a.
[32:48] Mike: Well you had prom dates I I remember knowing guys in high school who they so I specifically remember this they created their own little party called the Morp which is just proms spelled backward because they couldn't even get a prom date in in the high school I went to in the southern. Part of California which is a little like the bible belt like you had to have a date and it had to be a person of the opposite gender obviously but I mean nowadays that would be questioned to go to the prom at all right I mean you couldn't go solo. Okay.
[33:10] Keith: Um, yeah.
[33:16] Keith: That was I believe that was the deal in my high school I don't remember. But yeah, it was just like a um ah date of convenience because we both needed one. It wasn't.
[33:24] Mike: So you didn't yeah, do the get the hotel room after the prom and fuck thing that's too bad. That's the best part.
[33:28] Keith: Absolutely not that was never even I I Never even went to a party where there was alcohol in high school. It is sad. But yeah, so so anyway, yeah, this this person whether it's someone who knows me or not.
[33:39] Mike: Sad. Yeah.
[33:47] Keith: Seems to have correctly ascertained that that was you know sort of my the experience of my youth. Um, and then ah yeah, going to the high school reunions has been pretty satisfying I I Yeah, let's see I went to my.
[33:57] Mike: Do you? You see you do go to your high school reunions.
[34:06] Keith: Like 10 I think I went I went to my 5 my 10 and my 20 my twenty was in um, 2018 yeah but my family lives in the midwest so I usually loop that in or also I'm from. Ah.
[34:07] Mike: Wow and you have to travel sort of across the country to do that I see.
[34:26] Keith: Ohio and I like ohio sports team. So sometimes I'll sort of combine it with seeing a baseball or basketball game while I'm there.
[34:33] Mike: I See interesting. Yeah I have not been to a single reunion ah for high school because I don't.
[34:38] Keith: Um, you don't you don't feel compelled at all like you don't have this like look at me now. Ah.
[34:47] Mike: Ah, no, no my I don't think I think that maybe your upbringing was in a little more of a upper classy area where I came from they wouldn't understand what was going on most of the people still.
[35:02] Keith: What's a computer. Yeah.
[35:03] Mike: Yeah, most of people still live around there and it's just ah, it's not it would I don't think it would work. Oh and there's another thing which is that and this is important is that because it's essentially part of the bible belt. The only way to really win at life when you're in a bible belt. Place is Religion. So. Ah, my sister actually considered going to her reunion for the same reason to sort of say oh look at me and I that was the main thing I pointed out to her as I said I'm positive that those girls that were mean to you or whatever will be mean to you again because of they'll they'll use religion as the thing to go after you with they'll be like oh well have you found Jesus and then.
[35:35] Keith: Our boy.
[35:38] Mike: Yeah, so they just won't be any fun because they'll they don't Yeah, they're not they live on a different planet. So no I don't have never had any desire to do that I have heard what happened at reunions from friends that went and it was exactly what I thought it would be um, okay, ah, do you think.
[35:44] Keith: Um, yeah.
[35:52] Keith: Fair enough.
[35:57] Mike: Wait wait way way. Wait fat and ugly was this do you feel Goodre kick answerette. Do you think you would kick ass on the bachelorette. Ok by the way, the bachelor just started and I'm assiduously not watching it and then it just says smarts looks money etc ever think about that I think you're too old for the bachelorette but go on.
[36:13] Keith: I am this is another question that's sort of suspicious like the the high school reunion 1 was suspicious because I know but like this notion of like me reveling over my reunion experience is something that I've I've probably said to people I know so.
[36:19] Mike: We have talked about the bachelor road on the show though. Okay.
[36:30] Mike: Okay.
[36:32] Keith: I don't know who knows anyway. Ah the bachelor is also or bachelorette. So the bachelor is the one where there's one man and 30 women and and the bachelorette. Yeah, not anymore I'm too old. But yeah I think I could do well on that show.
[36:39] Mike: The idea here. Yeah, the idea is whether right whether you could compete with the other guys. Yeah I've noticed that on the bachelorette. The men all have job titles like account executive ah sales coordinator.
[36:51] Keith: Yeah, the lot of them have fake jobs. Yeah.
[36:56] Mike: Well, they but even went no I'm not sure they're fake. They just sound like a pretty entry level people generally like you you I don't for the women on the bachelor. It probably doesn't matter right because the man is going to be selecting based on attractiveness. But for the men and this is actually 1 thing I found. Very uncompeling about the show is that the women didn't seem interested in the men's men's careers which is just not believable I mean that that is a thing that the women would care about just because women care about that sort of thing.
[37:23] Keith: Ah I mean they don't have time. For starters, you don't know you don't see the conversations they actually have they're just edited for drama. Um I mean they often live in different states I think.
[37:31] Mike: That's true. That's true. Yeah, well you just burst my bubble. Yeah.
[37:39] Keith: Most of the people that are on that show acknowledge. That should they make it to like the final 4 or 5 their new career will be being a sea list celebrity they will they will move to Los Angeles they'll get an agent. They'll do radio shows they'll you know, get paid to go to parties. They'll do.
[37:51] Mike: That's right, they yes I have.
[37:58] Keith: Product placements on their instagrams stuff like this and that that's just sort of understood amongst everybody and if and if that's not your goal then you might not that show might not be for you.
[37:59] Mike: Um, right.
[38:02] Mike: Yeah, yeah.
[38:09] Mike: Yeah I have a friend who worked worked past tense in the industry and he told me that even game show contestants basically anything even game show audience participants like anything where there are people from the public that are involved in a Tv show pretty much all those people are aspiring actors.
[38:23] Keith: Um, yeah.
[38:27] Mike: That's what he told me because they just any each minute that you can be on the screen. There's some chance that somebody will see you an agent a producer. Whatever and it ups your your odds ah famously the dating game from the late 70 s early 80 s featured a bunch of people who became celebrities later.
[38:35] Keith: Yeah.
[38:42] Keith: Yeah, yeah I think it would be interesting to be on the bachelorette I mean you basically need to gaslight the woman into falling in love with you and I think that wouldn't be that hard because they select.
[38:44] Mike: Because that was that's why they were on there.
[38:57] Mike: Um.
[39:01] Keith: Women who are particularly susceptible to that like they psychologically profile every single contestant and they look for women like all the contestants say like oh I'm here to find love and like a full half of them actually believe that. Um.
[39:05] Mike: Um, yeah.
[39:17] Mike: Um, oh sure.
[39:18] Keith: And so yeah I don't think it would be that hard to sort myself as the the wheat from the chaff in that I think that part would be pretty easy and then there's like I think you need to be interesting enough so that the producers want to keep you around because I think the producers can put their thumbs on the scale. And that would be a little bit trickier. But I think I could think on my feet in a way to like ascertain like oh do they want someone that like says outrageous things. Do they want someone that is consoling other people. Do they want someone like like what role are they looking for and then.
[39:53] Mike: Right? I think particularly in the first cuts where they're cutting multiple people that's critical because they're basically picking arbitrarily I would say really quickly that ah um I think being the bachelor would be more compelling because of fucking all the different chicks.
[39:53] Keith: I would insinuate myself into behaving that way. Yeah, yeah, right.
[40:09] Mike: And I assume that's what happens and then I wanted to mention that I saw a compelling surprisingly, it's a new ah vr porn most of the vr porn is not as compelling as you'd like this one was surprisingly compelling. It was um, filmed from me. They're almost always filmed from. Like your chest. So basically your you know it's p ov for the guy. The thing that made this one compelling is there were 4 women and when the guy gets ready to nut. They arrange themselves in and I don't have an term for this configuration. Maybe we could come up with 1 but basically there's he's fucking a woman doggy style.
[40:29] Keith: Yeah.
[40:45] Mike: 2 other women waiting she doggie style I'm not sure she might be on her back and and he's standing up. There are 2 women on either side of her I guess he must be missionary because she's they're like playing with her breasts. But then this is the key is there's a third woman who's I eat his dogy style. Anyway there's a third woman that's underneath ready to catch the semen from the woman's vagina does that make sense. She's she's facing the other direction. Yes, and it was compelling that then when you looked down with the vr you saw that scene.
[40:59] Keith: Ah.
[41:07] Keith: Oh she's she wants the drippings.
[41:18] Mike: And I'd never seen that scene from the guy's perspective in Vr before So so I found that compelling and um and I should say that that is how I imagine the bachelor like just just a kind of aesthetically I know.
[41:20] Keith: Right.
[41:27] Keith: Um, yeah I mean we've we've talked about this a bit I I think the producers strongly discourage sex until it's down to the final 3 women.
[41:38] Mike: I Just mean I just mean like ah maybe not physically. That's what's going on but kind of ethically or morally not morally the strong word but but sort of psychologically. That's what's going on is you're you're fucking one woman with the other woman down there catching the drippings psychologically.
[41:51] Keith: Yeah I mean the magnitude to which the contestants need to prostitute themselves is preposterous that show is the most anti-feminist thing. You can possibly imagine either the bachelor rather a bachelorette like it's just super gross and like yeah like I was.
[41:57] Mike: Yes, yes.
[42:05] Mike: Agreed.
[42:10] Keith: Thinking that like yeah like I said like oh yeah I would gaslight this woman into falling in love with me and you might be like oh that's monstrous. What's wrong with you. It's like why are we that entire show is monstrous. The entire premise of it is monstrous monstrous and like I'm not sure if like what the proper way to think about it.
[42:18] Mike: Gets to the purpose of the show. Yes.
[42:29] Keith: Is but yeah, like if I'm on there I would be on there specifically to get as famous as I possibly could and to do that you need to make it as many episodes as you can and to do that you need to make the person like you and yeah I don't think there's anything morally I think almost. All of the contestants are there pretending.
[42:50] Mike: Right? and to be but ah, instead of that you're on here getting as famous as you possibly can and see how that's going. It's going. Great.
[42:54] Keith: That's right, That's right I've I've taken a different tack. All right is that it for that email. Finally.
[42:59] Mike: Yeah, yeah, let's let's let's get to it because you teased a couple things including semen and other things. Let's do it. Okay.
[43:03] Keith: Oh yeah I mean we've talked about the sea but once so much maybe we should start with that in case, we we run out of time all right hold on let me pull it up here. Okay, my boyfriend got high together for the first time. And he just did something really disturbing during sex. Okay, they're both 19 years old I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because he is really really high but he has never done this before I was giving him a hand job and he asked for me to put his legs up and I did what he asked not knowing that once he orgasmed it shot.
[43:21] Mike: I Don't know. Yeah.
[43:38] Keith: Shot in and around his mouth slash face and he literally ate it and he liked it was super turned on by it that he orgasmed again like right after and a bunch more shot out and he ate that too and it must be nice to be 19 again. Can't believe.
[43:44] Mike: Ah, me.
[43:53] Keith: I'm even posting this but I'm freaking out what the fuck should I Do he fell asleep without spitting or brushing his teeth.
[43:59] Mike: Some job of the hut shit here. It's gross does it. So when you say you say it be nice to be 19 again. Do you mean shooting loads in your mouth or something else.
[44:01] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[44:08] Keith: Well, she says that he orgasmed twice in short orders of the first orgasm and then he was so aroused by coming in his own mouth that he apparently orgasmed again. It doesn't say I'm guessing.
[44:12] Mike: Oh it's that.
[44:18] Mike: What I wonder when he was high on. Yeah I Assume it's weed I've had.
[44:26] Keith: Weed People are usually less cavalier about revealing it when it's when it's not weed.
[44:31] Mike: I mean I've had the experience I think most men have of having the semen shoot further than you expected I've not had a shoot into my mouth. However.
[44:38] Keith: Yeah I mean if I'm sitting in a chair Sometimes it'll reach my shoulder or something.
[44:43] Mike: Well, it's I've had it happen in a partnered context. Usually it goes further in a partner context like this this guy although I wouldn't you know I've never had the experience of asking for my legs to be put up.
[44:51] Keith: Oh actually I'm thinking about this? Yeah actually I guess the way that it gets the most distance from my penis is if I'm laying on my back I think I've hit the bottom of my chin but I've never.
[45:05] Mike: Yeah, it seems possible knowingly gone further again.
[45:09] Keith: I've never um yeah I've never himed for my I've never asked my girlfriend for an assist so that I could hit my own mouth.
[45:18] Mike: Right? Yeah I mean I don't Ah yeah I mean it's obviously this I mean there are guys that are into this you know there are guys who I mean if you search on Pornhub for eating the cream pie. There's videos of guys who nut and then.
[45:34] Keith: I mean look we're all narcissists here but that is a bridge too far I mean I'm not not going for my own fluid. That's like what like what? what even hypothetically would be arousing about that.
[45:35] Mike: Go South and.
[45:47] Mike: Ah, right? Well I mean you.
[45:51] Mike: Oh okay, I mean we've talked about this before I think that be I it's always made sense to me that before you not something like that could seem compelling because because things that are look things that involve. These body fluids and stuff like that all see you know because it's dirty. It's naughty like there are things that seem you know I mean like there there are things like that where I can kind of give someone a pass. But once you've nutted as a guy and so I mean 1 of things that's going on here is he nutted twice so he was still somehow aroused okay like that's a little understandable to me.
[46:07] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[46:20] Keith: Um, yeah.
[46:23] Mike: But the fact that before the first nut he asked his legs if for his legs to be put up suggests very strongly to me that this was premeditated he knows this is a thing he likes and he probably does it ah in his spare time sometimes so yeah I mean she's going to have to deal with the fact that this guy's a nut eater maybe and it could suggest that he's that he's into other guys too.
[46:30] Keith: Um, yeah.
[46:41] Keith: It could it certainly doesn't anti-correlate.
[46:41] Mike: I mean.
[46:45] Mike: Let let me ask you this if you had the choice I think it's a tricky one if you have the choice between nutting in some receptacle and having to drink it afterwards. So you're in post not clarity or while having sex with a beautiful gorgeous woman. The downside of having sex with her is that you have to. Have a guy not another guy nut in your mouth while you're having sex with her which would you pick I think I would pick drinking my own just because I don't want to I don't want to have that memory of the other guy and blah blah Blah. There's a whole series of things with the other guy and also would under arouse me.
[47:16] Keith: Yeah I I would be worried about long term psychological concerns. But my inclination was going to be the other direction. Yeah yeah, the correct, especially.
[47:22] Mike: Yeah, oh really, you would take the because you get to fuck the woman and and your your disgust is lowered. Yeah I think I think I would not I think I would.
[47:35] Keith: Especially if in the moment I could no doubt like if I could be like well let's just see yeah or you or you can somehow like men in black my brain. So I don't remember the experience of fucking the woman because because I've like cheated right? like I've I've not commit I've gotten a fucker but I haven't you know.
[47:38] Mike: And then you can just leave the room. That's interesting. Who write right? Yeah I understand right? The yeah, it's the I mean interacting with another guy is 1 level but his not him.
[47:54] Keith: Maintained what I committed to.
[48:03] Mike: That hit me ejaculating in your mouth I think would be rough rough. It's a rough one anyway.
[48:04] Keith: Yeah, okay, this seggues nicely into our next high mindded topic. Why do peniss smell like microwaved floer tortillas. Every guy it's the number one post on the sex subredit this week
[48:14] Mike: Um I saw this? Yeah yeah.
[48:21] Keith: Every guy I've been with has a dick that smells like a warm flower tortilla. All very clean guys. Not even kidding when I say get horny every time I microwave a burrito because of the smell is it just the normal bacteria on there like with Vaginas so I wanted to discuss it. Do you think. I Know what my penis smells like when it's like a little bit semen and crusted or something like you know if I didn't clean up properly after I last masturbated or something but I'm not sure I can smell it I'm not sure I can smell my own penis.
[48:44] Mike: Um I asked. Okay.
[48:55] Keith: I Don't know what my own penis smells like I don't think.
[48:56] Mike: Oh yeah, because you can't get your you can't actually get your nose there. The best you could do would be to like press your finger into it wait a little while and then.
[49:02] Keith: Um, right? well and it doesn't like I know what my asshole smells like um, it's because the volume of odor it emits at times is yeah like I don't think my penis emits much odor.
[49:07] Mike: Okay, that's because yeah, okay, well you.
[49:15] Mike: Way way way way way way, you're saying hang on I don't think I share this experience. You're saying that there are times when something is gone something has gone wrong with your body. So now I'm not talking about smelling your underwear but you can if you're just standing naked in the room you could smell your own asshole I don't think I've ever had that happen. Okay.
[49:23] Keith: I regret everything. Ah.
[49:26] Keith: Yeah now No I Yeah no I agree I can't either I mean I know what my shit smells like.
[49:36] Mike: Okay, okay, that's different. Yeah yeah, and so it'd be so like saying you know what your semen smells like I mean I think I don't know I mean there could be some connection between I mean part of me is thinking Well ah, let's see yeast infections you know Bases. You know Alkali versus acidic. There's probably some reason for this like that you know, ah something about something to do with yeast something something something.
[49:57] Keith: Yeah, yeah I think yeah, there's just some sort of small emission that might might have like a consistent. Maybe it smells like a flower tortilla I have no idea.
[50:13] Mike: I Think it's gonna be the like the yeast and bread that smell like if you're that and she's she's confound conflating that with the tortilla that yeah that doesn't yeah.
[50:15] Keith: Um.
[50:21] Keith: Yeah, yeah I mean there there's sort of the expected jokes somebody says maybe I should start microwaving flower tortillas and see if that puts my fiancee in the mood you know, no, it won't all right? Let's move on. Ah this person says. Ah.
[50:30] Mike: That won't work.
[50:39] Keith: My friends with benefits made a comment about my parts. Hello I matched with this guy on tinder and we met once and did some things on our way home I asked him if he enjoyed licking me but that was his answer. Okay, once you me say this was his answer. Okay I'm going to say it I've never been with a woman who is as young. And who has not pushed out any babies who has such big pussy lips then he goes my children's mother had to make some readjustments down there after she had them now this immediately made me insecure. But I don't think he realized he wants to meet again. But he turned me off with his comment. Before we met. He was always bragging about his twenty plus years of experience with women. He claims. He has been with women from all nationalities and etc etc. But his comment tells me that he hasn't really seen many naked women am I overreacting none of the other guys I've been with have ever commented. On my parts. She don't yeah I don't know if she doesn't know the word for labia. So yeah, right, right? So let's stipulate for the sake of an interesting conversation that she does have.
[51:33] Mike: To you to her? Well no I'm saying they they haven't commented to her right? I mean they they there's obviously something remarkable about her. This guy wouldn't have said this.
[51:50] Keith: Larger outer labia or inner labia. Yeah, right right now. First of all, ah Dr. Mike is it true that after it has a baby.
[51:51] Mike: Yes, it's going to be inner that the inner is what you care about here. Yeah, but go on.
[52:09] Keith: Your labia your it or labia get distended in a permanent way correct. So this guy is just like full of shit or at least the excuse. He's giving the reason well yet he has not been with a woman.
[52:11] Mike: No.
[52:19] Mike: Um, oh what he said was true. He did see it.
[52:28] Keith: Who is young and who has not pushed out any babies who has such big pussy lips that could be true, but it yeah it's not true that it's because of age or because she's yeah or or that they've had children that people have large in or laba.
[52:37] Mike: I Mean yeah like I mean there's a few things here. Yeah I mean I'm I'm assuming this yeah like if I if I play the chess game out a few moves here like I I think this woman can't can't be very attractive and the re something she's something wrong with her and the reason why is because this man's already.
[52:47] Keith: Yes.
[52:57] Mike: Said and done a few things that just indicate that He's pretty stupid. First of all, right.
[52:59] Keith: And right? well he's negging her and saying things like oh I've banged women of all different nationalities I mean that's already like a pass for most people right? like.
[53:08] Mike: Right? I mean so he's he's basically trying to get her to reject him and then she's still thinking. Oh maybe and you go well that why why? why hasn't she just rejected him like 95 woman would right.
[53:14] Keith: Right? Why are you demeaning yourself sacrificing your dignity in this way, right.
[53:22] Mike: Yeah now I Want to say that I think it's actually possible that he told her that because he thought it was awesome like it nothing in what he said suggested that it would gross him out or was a negative I think he might have been saying it like man that was those are so big I Loved it.
[53:36] Keith: I Think although it is not explicitly written in the text we can assume that the tone was that he was not pleased with the large lady. Ah.
[53:48] Mike: Um, I mean I think isn't it the case that in most cases, a woman with large labia would actually like if not I mean it wouldn't stimulate your penis less right? I mean there's just more.
[54:01] Keith: Yeah.
[54:03] Mike: Stuff that can sort of invert and move around I mean I I don't I think that if a guy is being selfish about his pleasure like actually he should like this.
[54:06] Keith: Yeah I don't know I look. We've litigated labia a bit in the past I suspect with a certainly in porn and in pop culture. Images of of Vagina's ah inner labia seem to be ah less inner labia seems to be preferred. It is but I don't know why I prefer that and it's a it's a mild I think it's more I think it's more aesthetic.
[54:31] Mike: Yes, and that's what you prefer I Do it's because it's more. It's more aesthetic.
[54:43] Keith: But is it objectively or is it just subjectively because of modern media. You know like like chest hair trends come in and out. Um, do maybe a size.
[54:45] Mike: What's subjective. It's subjective but it's been.. It's it's because you I mean I think this is a normal thing you expect like it's the same reason why you have a preference against Pubic Hair. There's a series of preferences men have and it's because people would yeah the the the I think more or less incorrect thing would be say oh it's because you want women to look like little girls. It's not fat. It's because men want women to look as differentiated from men as possible like you're looking so you want them to be smooth ah kind of not.
[55:13] Keith: Yeah.
[55:20] Mike: Not a lot of activity there and so yeah, when there's like like the guy can see that when there's a bunch of labia there. It kind of looks like it's nuts and so it's it's just negative. It's like oh this is kind of like I but but but in terms of pure physical satisfaction I actually suspect. It's probably a bit of a plus and honestly in.
[55:20] Keith: Um, yeah.
[55:26] Keith: Yeah.
[55:35] Keith: I hear you I would love to a B test that. But.
[55:40] Mike: Yeah, it makes sense that it would be a bit of applause I mean certainly if you were like oh I don't know like hot dogging her which do you know what? that is. That's where you run your penis forward and back but not inside of her. You just sort of run it I mean Okay, there are women who have big enough inner labia that I've seen in porn.
[55:45] Keith: Now What's hot talking.
[55:58] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
[55:58] Mike: Not in real life been porn where they can like surround your penis with them while you're you're not inserting it. You're just sort of running it back and forth along the crack say.
[56:05] Keith: Oh I I'm sorry I didn't know this was called hot doggging I don't have a word for it.
[56:10] Mike: Um, what do you call it I call it Keith's move number 3 It's.
[56:20] Keith: Yeah I had never considered what to call that um I think I mean look look it sucks. But I think that ah she's right.
[56:22] Mike: Um, okay yeah, that's the term that the kids use. Um, what.
[56:37] Keith: She's definitely right to be offended by what he said And yeah I think that like having large outer large inner labia like you can't do anything about it. It doesn't actually matter nobody's going to know until it's far too late anyway. But yeah, aesthetically it's slightly. Inferior but nobody's going to turn down a woman because well maybe this guy would.
[56:59] Mike: Um, yeah I mean it's like if a guy had I think that it's slightly aesthetically inferior for a guy if he if he's one of these guys where when he's flaccid his penis basically disappears. It doesn't actually matter and and often the shower. Yeah.
[57:12] Keith: Oh yes, the ah the grower not the grower. Yeah growers are inferior to showers.
[57:16] Mike: Grower I Think that's right, it is aesthetically inferior like a guy looks better if his penis is normal looking. You know what? I'm calling normal looking because it's again, it's like it because if if it isn't It looks a little bit female like it's it. Yeah.
[57:23] Keith: Right? It does but like again at what point. Yeah, like if you're if you're in front of her naked like what is she going to do right? like it's.
[57:33] Mike: It doesn't matter. Yes.
[57:39] Mike: It's true.
[57:40] Keith: Yeah, just yeah, like if a woman's in front of me naked and her lady are you know, slightly larger than like my ideal not going to send her home.
[57:47] Mike: I did hear us I did hear us I did hear a story once about a a girl many years ago who was confronted with a um micro penis and she was supposed to give she was planning to have oral to this guy but instead she just burst out laughing. So.
[58:02] Keith: Um, and then he committed suicide two days later
[58:04] Mike: But can happen I don't know I'd have to look I do I know his name actually I don't remember her name but I do know his name and I could look it up. Maybe I'll do it after the show. But I I yeah it socks that you're right? So that there's this man in the world that I've never met.
[58:19] Keith: Yeah, right right? yeah.
[58:21] Mike: All I know is his name and that he has a micrope its that's it. That's all I know and I'll never forget his name because it's similar to another person I know his name so it's rough.
[58:31] Keith: Ah, yeah I think having deep justified insecurity of your Genitalia would be a tough way to go through life. You know I don't know how how you get over it all right? Well I wanted to tackle this.
[58:39] Mike: Yeah, see.
[58:49] Keith: Um, topic about sexless marriages but we don't have time so I'm going to wrap it up this was episode 103 of your mileage mayberry um I'm going to do the usual imploration for feedback so you can.
[58:52] Mike: Okay.
[59:08] Keith: Send us feedback or questions we will respond to both. We respond to basically everything we receive if you don't want us to talk about you on the show. Let us know also for feedback in particular, we give $10 so if you give us your paypal or your venmo or cash app or whatever you want. We'll. Send you ten bucks um as a thank you for the feedback you can send us feedback at Ymmv Pod on Twitter or at ymmvpod@gmail.com you have anything you want to add to that Mike.
[59:41] Mike: No, just that I found this guy's Linkedin and it's causing me to have very strange emotions I feel sorry I mean is is a great career but I feel sorry for him. Yeah, he didn't kill himself.
[59:49] Keith: Well, it's good to know us alive all right? Thanks for listening thanks to Mike first time and we'll see you next week on your mileage may vary.