Your Mileage May Vary: Soaking, Ketamine, Eye Contact, Aroused G Spots, Automatic Orgasms, Camgirl Menus

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[00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is controversial but mostly in good faith. We have lots to cover today including camgrel pricing being emasculated by an amazing vibrator sleeping while inside a woman eye contact during blowjobs and much more I am Keith. I just returned from the dentist and I am happy to report that I'm still cavity. Free. My cohost is Mike and Mike how many hours has it been since you last ate a calorie.
[00:22] Mike: My.
[00:31] Mike: Oh um, forty fifty Maybe forty something
[00:34] Keith: So you're on your you're in your your second day or third third day here of not eating.
[00:42] Mike: No, no second second it's you know because you count the night after you don't eat you I'm pretty hungry. Ah, it's not. It's not the world's most comfortable thing. The most annoying thing about fasting actually and I don't know so I've read.
[00:44] Keith: Um, yeah, okay, how are you feeling.
[00:59] Mike: 2 different differing things on this 1 thing people say is that when you when you fast you make yourself burn obligatorily burn fat which then the fat contains hormones chemicals stuff detritus and you can sort of feel crappy. Ah, the other argument is no, you just feel crappy because you're hungry.
[01:12] Keith: Um, yeah.
[01:18] Mike: Ah, but I've experienced I'm not right now experiencing this but I have experienced in doing fasting like just headaches and body aches and stuff before so that's always annoying. That's the plan. Yeah I'll probably wake up at 4
[01:24] Keith: Yeah, yeah, all right? and you're going to eat breakfast tomorrow right? That's the plan here. Yeah, all right? Well well best of luck with that insanity I mentioned the cavity thing because. Neither of us have had a cavity ever right.
[01:43] Mike: I Had a cavity in a baby tooth. It was filled in Rural Virginia by a dentist who did not use novocaine. This is true and I remember it I remember it I I Yeah I think there used to be some notion that.
[01:54] Keith: Aha Oh oh.
[02:02] Mike: They had novocaine I'm not that old. But ah I don't know if anybody's that old but ah, they had some notion that it was unsafe for children. Ah, but I'm here to tell you that What's more unsafe for children is the memory of someone drilling your tooth without novocaine.
[02:12] Keith: I say.
[02:18] Keith: Yeah.
[02:20] Mike: Because I do still very much remember that. So anyway that tooth fell out and so now I too have no I'm able to chew aluminum foil with out discomfort.
[02:30] Keith: I didn't even know they filled cavities and baby teeth like who cares they break down otherwise the 2 throts.
[02:35] Mike: Yeah, they have to they have to yeah oh be because it's just be a yeah, the the truth the tooth will like decompose and I mean you do need it for a certain period of time I do remember that tooth coming out and like the little gray filling in it but they did yeah they need to because like a more.
[02:50] Keith: Right? Okay, all right. We'll know the canne was introduced in 195 if anybody cares. Ah yeah, so we haven't talked I have another non sex and relationships.
[02:53] Mike: Damage can happen.
[02:56] Mike: Okay, so nobody's that old.
[03:07] Keith: Related thing here which is an email that we received that was a bit pedantic which is catnip for me. So I'm going to read it. This person says big fan of the podcast been listening. A lot blah bla blah blah blah I've noticed that during each podcast both Mike and Keith used the word compelling somewhere between 6 and 16 times I study speech patterns and the use of certain words my region is this a tech sector word Northern California word a common word between you guys. Ah, he's.
[03:27] Mike: Hello.
[03:40] Keith: Goes on to say Keith also heavily uses the phrase. We do not need to litigate this any further as a method of cutting off and shutting Mike down and I'm sorry mc do you feel like I don't validate and respect your opinions. We don't need to litigate this any further.
[03:46] Mike: Now. No I do not feel that it's fine. Yeah, good.
[03:57] Keith: Yeah, ok I mean I definitely do use that as a segue I Guess guilty is charged and I think I think this I I think we've had other people complain about our overuse of the word compelling.
[04:11] Mike: It might be the case I wanted to um I thought it was interesting. This person mentioned the regional thing in terms of it being from a certain part of the country Keith what word? do you use to describe the footwear that is worn during athletic activities.
[04:27] Keith: Oh.
[04:29] Mike: Most naturally I mean answer quickly.
[04:34] Keith: Yeah, well I'm I'm paralyzed because I don't actually I mean I'm all I ever do is talk about running shoes and so but that's not that's not what you're looking for here I think I would say tennis shoes.
[04:46] Mike: Okay, so it turns out there that you people can look this up. There was an article from I think it was the New York Times several years ago about this and this is a term that has extreme regional variation tennis shoes I don't know where that's from but it turns out that Keith and I are actually originally from.
[05:00] Keith: Um, okay.
[05:04] Keith: Yeah.
[05:05] Mike: The same state a small midwestern state Ohio I'm from the better part which is in the south area and he's from the worst part which is the north right? And where I'm from the term that's used is gym shoes.
[05:11] Keith: Yeah, that that is a matter of some kind of contention.
[05:22] Keith: Ah.
[05:22] Mike: And it turns out that that term is extremely localized to the Cincinnati area to the point where you can. Yeah, you basically can tell that someone's from like a small circle around there. Um I don't know what's used in Northern Ohio I do know that in California sneakers is more typical but yeah and people can look up. There's this map and it's sort of interesting.
[05:31] Keith: Um, yeah.
[05:36] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
[05:42] Mike: Um, and and you can't so so it is true that you can. It's possible that people in Northern California use compelling we're I think sometimes using it to to mean a woman is attractive right.
[05:49] Keith: Yeah, like what is the word that we should use to describe something that's sexually interesting that that's that's what I use compelling for most of the time I think.
[06:02] Mike: Yeah, arousing I had a girlfriend once who would call somebody if she was being sort of caddy would call somebody interesting to mean that there's something wrong with them. You know so people have these? yeah.
[06:14] Keith: Ah, all right? Let's start talking about sex. So this guy did wrap up with Keith just admit, you want to try pegging already. He has some ah handicapping here odds he wants to try it up. 55.9
[06:24] Mike: It's true.
[06:30] Keith: Percent odds Mike has tried it thirty eight point seven percent odds either will admit it 1 in 2000
[06:32] Mike: Brutal.
[06:42] Mike: This? Ah yeah, that I'm well yeah, the the either one would admit it I think is the key and I've made this point before on the podcast that there are some things that people don't wouldn't admit probably even if it was True. Um. So yeah, we'll probably never know.
[06:57] Keith: I mean yeah I don't want to try pegging. But of course somebody who is afraid to admit that they wanted to try pegging would say that they didn't want to try pegging So we're just in this like.
[07:06] Mike: Exactly you have you have admitted. There are various acts that you've said you would do for money or for the opportunity to have sex with an incredibly beautiful woman. Yeah, so and I think those involved I think pegging is one of them and one of them is like things.
[07:16] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
[07:25] Mike: Male male gay homosexual stuff. Also you there you go. So.
[07:25] Keith: Sure I mean I I would do anything for the proper reward your and and anybody who says they wouldn't like aren't thinking clearly.
[07:37] Mike: That's right I mean I Yeah, that's right I think I I agree with that. It's just a question What the reward is.
[07:41] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, all right? Let's move on. Um I had an interesting date on Friday um, it was a third date.
[07:50] Mike: Yes. Who.
[07:57] Keith: And ah I'm not sure how much I want to say about this person we have not sleptpped with each other. In fact, we have not we we had not and still have not and I'm not.
[08:09] Mike: Oh well, that makes the date more had or have not and is she a listener because a lot of times listeners don't know this a lot of times Keith actually ah.
[08:16] Keith: I'm not convinced. There's going to be a fourth date I know but.
[08:26] Mike: Or in the in the past at least would tell new partners about the podcast and I think generally it's been a positive.
[08:36] Keith: Um, yeah I think that's right,? Um, it. It's tricky because ah, almost nobody wants to have their um you know dirty laundry aired out. On the podcast and so I do often have that concern expressed people are like like oh this isn't going to be on the podcast is it and I have I don't think do you think that I have like buried anybody by saying something like really.
[09:02] Mike: Now and you have people that have voraciously consumed like every episode and yeah, sure.
[09:14] Mike: No.
[09:15] Keith: Mean about them or like I think I I think I'm as fair as possible and I really don't report current events on the podcast very often. So this is going to be an unusual move for me.
[09:25] Mike: Yeah, now the only person that you're burying I think is yourself and that's because you you are so honest so psychologically nude on the podcast as it were that women can get a lot of context about you and I think that has been a negative before not.
[09:34] Keith: Are. For I. Yeah I think so I think so I mean yeah, okay, all right right? right? right? right? So yeah, we go on the date. We go out to dinner and then after dinner she suggested we go for.
[09:44] Mike: All way. But I think that that has caused you trouble. So anyway, yeah so let's let's hear about this lady that you have not yet ah gotten to home plate with.
[10:03] Keith: Go to a bar for I Guess more drinks and I didn't really want to because I was rough I bet her on a online dating app.
[10:06] Mike: How did you? How did you meet this woman.
[10:15] Mike: The the thing I want to know is whether it was ah like hinge bumble tinder or seeking and I'm allowed to mention seeking now because we we've done our 4 episodes without any mentions of it. Okay, all right, let's go on.
[10:26] Keith: Right? I don't want to mention that um so we ah then go to? Yeah, we go to a bar and she suggests we go to this party so I didn't really want to go to the bar because I needed to run. Fifteen miles the next morning at 7 am and being hungover makes that particularly painful and I really didn't want to go to this party but ah, there are some things about her that implied that.
[10:43] Mike: Her.
[11:00] Keith: Ah, party that she goes to could be pretty interesting. So I decided you're only middle aged once let's go so I went and it's in this house on well it's up in one of the nice hills in San Francisco
[11:06] Mike: Further.
[11:19] Keith: And I looked it up on zillow it's like a 12 or $ 13000000 home and I would say there were about 50 people there and they were all behaving sort of bizarrely. Ah, and I initially thought okay, these people must be drunk. Or yeah, maybe something else but I didn't quite understand and then I sort of later came to find out that they were all on ketamine. How much do you know about ketamine I bet you know more about ketamine than I do.
[11:51] Mike: Um, ok.
[11:57] Mike: Um, are you asking me to say what I know or just give a rating. Um.
[11:59] Keith: Yeah, because yeah I mean I actually I've been meaning to look it up since but I I still haven't.
[12:06] Mike: Yeah I mean Ketamine is used in Anesthesia and it's also used as a treatment for some or I mean it's It's some. It's somewhat novel treatment for things like depression anxiety. Um it puts you into some sort of weird altered state. Um.
[12:24] Mike: But my understanding is it's ah more it's It's not really like a hallucinatory alternate state Exactly it's more sort of chill than that. Um, but that being said I've read reports of people who did it and had really bad experiences. So I think like anything in that realm. It can also.
[12:30] Keith: Yeah.
[12:41] Keith: Right? Yeah I mean I've been conceptually interested in various psychedelics is it considered a psychedelic. Okay well I've been interested in psychedelics and or Ketamine for a while but I am sort of afraid of the various possible downside risks. So I.
[12:43] Mike: Pretty pretty negative.
[12:48] Mike: I Don't know the answer that probably.
[12:59] Mike: Who.
[13:00] Keith: So haven't tried but anyway it was interesting to see all of these people behaving in this way so that yeah they were. They were friendly but sort of like disassociated like they yeah they weren't able to like sort of fully engaged it was. It was odd.
[13:16] Mike: Given the value of this house. It does sound like you could have done some good robbing but that would be hard to take.
[13:18] Keith: Ah.
[13:21] Keith: Yeah, there was a Grand piano and some guy who was yeah, that's true. Ah yeah I didn't look around I should have at least thought of that and then like looked around to see if there was you know a trophy to take yeah and I didn't.
[13:35] Mike: Now.
[13:40] Keith: I was not entirely sober myself and then I was talking to some man who turned out to be a fairly famous deejay from the late 90 s early two thousand s I don't want to say who it was it wasn't Moby but it was someone like on that tier.
[13:58] Mike: Okay.
[13:59] Keith: Um, that was sort of interesting and then there was a hot tub upstairs and everyone took their clothes off and went in there that was yeah completely naked. Um, it was I did I did.
[14:06] Mike: Naked. Okay, did you participate in that. Okay, this sounds like an orgy situation so you were in there with a bunch of naked was it all men all women mixed.
[14:19] Keith: I there were 3 women and 2 men. Yeah.
[14:26] Mike: Including you okay did what was I mean did anything interesting happen in the hot tub.
[14:30] Keith: No, just me feeling sort of amazed and overwhelmed it had like the hot tub has this view of the golden gate bridge in Alcatraz Island and yeah, it just was it. It felt like I was in. It's not like it wasn't like a music video like most of the people were in their like late 20 s and.
[14:42] Mike: Ah.
[14:49] Mike: Okay.
[14:49] Keith: 30 s and early 40 s um I was talking to some guy who claimed he had personally spoken with Ji Jin jinping it's the leader of China it was just I don't know he was a strange experience. But.
[15:00] Mike: Okay.
[15:08] Keith: I was pleased like 1 of the one of the reasons why I was compelled to to date. This woman is she seemed like the kind of person who went to very interesting parties and ah yeah I can now now validate that I guess.
[15:24] Mike: Yeah I mean this is the I think you're you're getting exposure to the the roaring twenty s of the twenty first century the well it's a different era but it's sort of our current gilded age people. Ah people doing that haven't the end. They just just. Ah.
[15:40] Keith: Yeah, it Yeah, it felt like this sort of ah I don't know it got like a little vignette into the lifestyle of the rich and famous and um, yeah, it was just sort of interesting to see I didn't know that. Sort of casual Ketamine use was a thing.
[15:59] Mike: I didn't either. Um I yeah I mean maybe they're not taking that much I would think that if you took a substantial dose. It would kind of incapacitate you.
[16:06] Keith: Yeah, they were I think they were snorting it. They were snorting it I saw a couple of people doing it and it seemed like small amounts but I have not I don't know what the tonage of Ketamine is I have no idea. So yeah.
[16:12] Mike: Ok, yeah, you can't know. Yeah, you can't know from the amount or they're snorting all right.
[16:24] Keith: Anyway I don't know if that story was that interesting. Let's move on. Um, you found this menu of prices from a cam girl which I think could inspire a sort of interesting conversation here now we'll provide the link to this in the show notes. Of course. But ah, first of all some of the vocabulary on here is foreign to me and then also the denominator is confusing so the prices are all listed in what I assume are they must be tokens.
[16:59] Mike: They are and typically typically the way these sites work is a token costs the viewer ten cents and the camgirl receives five cents so the site takes half of it. That's that's typical I mean not every site's a little different. But yeah.
[17:11] Keith: Um, okay, are all right? So we divide by by 20 to get to get dollars.
[17:17] Mike: To get how much they're getting but to divide by 10 to get how much the person's paying but these are these are so not insubstantial amounts of money I mean there are things on this list that it go up to I mean there's a couple that are kind of scribbled in at the end that is 5 and 6000 tokens that's
[17:20] Keith: Yeah, right? okay.
[17:32] Keith: Right? Yeah yeah, okay so all right? So let's let's let's let's start from the top here. So then first thing on the item is like what you see what? what? what does that mean.
[17:34] Mike: That's a lot of money right.
[17:45] Mike: Yeah, um I not sure I think these are basically you like thing things I think this might be her saying do you like what you see. It's ridiculous, right? It's like and in that one is worth ah, $2
[17:50] Keith: Okay, all right The next one is.
[18:00] Keith: Yeah, $2 yeah and then there's song request who cares? What the music is in the background of the girl you're jerking off to is but I guess you can you can do that all right.
[18:02] Mike: Kind of expensive already. Yeah.
[18:13] Mike: Oh that I think that area I think you're mistaken because I don't think that the main value proposition here for guys is the specific thing. The woman's doing It's ah getting her attention. Her attentions is focused on the guy who gave the money.
[18:28] Keith: I see I see.
[18:30] Mike: Right? And that's what guys fetishize, especially if she's much more attractive or and inaccessible and attainable for you.
[18:38] Keith: What was that song that you used to like to impose on people. Oh I I would yes that that's that's the one That's the one. Um ok.
[18:42] Mike: Ah, Rebecca blacks Fridays friday man yeah, that would be a good song which you just refuse now.
[18:52] Keith: She'll suck her fingers for $6 she'll stand up show her outfit for $7 ah she'll pinch her nipples for $9 yeah she'll do a.
[19:00] Mike: Yeah.
[19:05] Mike: Right? Which she's presumably clothed. It's unclear. That's so that's a really common one I'm always surprised I mean there's yeah there, there's this very vocal subcommunity of foot fetishists. That's frankly I find irritating because I'm not.
[19:11] Keith: Feet flash for $10
[19:23] Keith: Yeah, the same.
[19:24] Mike: Interested in that at all I would be sort of interested to talk to a foot fetishist understand what's going on there but I mean they very frequently. Ah content will have to have a foot section which um I don't I'll tell you I don't like that because it just makes it so obvious that it's not in any way amateur.
[19:33] Keith: Um, yeah.
[19:40] Keith: Right.
[19:42] Mike: You know it's like look I know women are typically or just like why Why am I doing this and that the foot like giving a guy a foot job and the other thing that's like mostly shows that it's not at all Amateur is the ah um I'm trying to think of what you call it like the the thing where he has sex with her breasts with Boob job. No, that's right.
[20:01] Keith: Titty fucking.
[20:02] Mike: Yeah, titty fucking. That's the term sorry lost my words there and yeah.
[20:04] Keith: Um, I'm here for you. Ah, and then yeah like that next one doesn't make sense that can't be the right price for that. The next one says doggy with eye contact also for $10 ah
[20:13] Mike: Which one. I Think that's just she gets into the doggy position and gives eye contact to the camera but these are yeah I mean these are ultimately kind of stupid right.
[20:23] Keith: I see you must be right? Okay, all right? Yeah, all right? So she'll spank her ass for $11 and then all right, she'll lick her armpits for $13
[20:35] Mike: That's another kind of weird fetishy thing. But I mean I think so notice the jump from licking armpits for 13 to what we get for $2 and $28 twenty eight that's it's very expensive but okay $28 we get naked jumping jacks that.
[20:50] Keith: Yeah, depending on depending on her assets $28 though like I mean for $28 you could buy how much is pornhub premium. Yeah.
[20:51] Mike: Depending on you know I mean I could see paying for that depending. Yeah. Now. But probably that's getting you more than a month
[21:09] Keith: Exactly ah put on sneakers for $33 that must there must that must be a euphemism for something that I don't understand okay huh and right right right.
[21:15] Mike: I didn't think so I think it's a foot fetish thing know fingers and ass is $44 I mean it's is is escalating quickly right? It's like you could pay 100 you could pay $10 for her to shake her ass at you or you could pay $44 and she puts her fingers up her butt. So I mean.
[21:30] Keith: Right? right? Glass dildo in ass for $66
[21:33] Mike: Sort of the choice is clear to me.
[21:40] Mike: I'm not sure what how would which would you pick between fingers and glass Dildo If you were.
[21:42] Keith: Well fingers is is 50 is 33% off so
[21:50] Mike: It's true I feel like fingers is more August the glass dil delay you can actually maybe see up her butt but I'm not sure what you would see in there.
[21:56] Keith: Oh the glass as this is less occluding. Ah yeah, all right? Yeah, let's get to the end here art.
[22:01] Mike: So let's jump to this so I mean like she has a thing on his riled in for for $600 she'll shave her her her vagina in front of you. That's you know I mean that's a lot very expensive but ah, not not.
[22:08] Keith: Yeah.
[22:15] Mike: And then she has sort of written in but no price take the D unclear.
[22:17] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it almost looks like she was considering not putting that on there. But yeah, there is no price so who knows and and what whose is the d.
[22:27] Mike: All right? Yeah exactly I have a meta comment about this in general like I find the approach here irritating and I think it misunderstands like the um conversation that I talked about from Eyela girl.
[22:34] Keith: Um, yeah.
[22:45] Mike: Ah, where she's done a lot of camming I think is relevant. Um I just think that I I think that these women are completely I think that doing this going going with this approach is completely missing the Mark I think that and this is what ile girl I think she would confirm this with what she said that is much much much more effective for a cam girl to. Instead of being passive and having like this kind of menu for her to appear super engaged and be like I'm going to do this now. I'm going to do that now. I'm going to you know and then yeah I mean you have to to ask for tips like there has to be some way to to exhort tips out of people. Although I think you could do private shows also where you have to pay to see whatever is coming next.
[23:09] Keith: Yeah.
[23:22] Mike: You could do that you can mix that in. Um, anyway, yeah I just think that she's I think that this general approach is wrong and and the reason I think that's notable is that I think it's like 99% of camirls use this approach this passive approach and I think that just some analog to the um.
[23:41] Mike: Like ah a coding boot camp for cam girls could really up the the game of like a set of cam girls like yeah.
[23:43] Keith: Yeah, ah yeah I mean maybe I think it's ala girl by the way not Ila but I think that I mean I listened to it too and she called her aid.
[23:52] Mike: I think I got it from what she called herself on the podcast but maybe damn it all right.
[23:59] Keith: She called herself? Ha Um, but yeah I mean she talked extensively about being sort of like proactive and ah and a bit dominant and you know that that's sort of a reverse role for like you know, maybe what men are looking for once they're in the bedroom. But yeah for.
[24:09] Mike: Exactly.
[24:19] Keith: Content creation I think ah you just have to be you have to be more active I Wonder I mean I Yeah I There aren't ways that.
[24:25] Mike: It's emerging.
[24:34] Keith: I think there are are companies that you can pay that will manage and only fans account for you So presumably they'll send you an email every morning and they'll say take these 4 pictures and we'll and then we'll we'll handle the rest I don't know if there is a similar thing for cam girling there probably isn't just because. It's harder and I think it doesn't pay as well as being a high market only fans gal. Yeah.
[24:59] Mike: You think there'd be an overlap though I mean isn't yeah I mean you if you're doing camming you you should be able to transition with men over to the only fan site and I just I Just think it's interesting that they just yeah, the the whole tip menu thing I think is just a complete misunderstanding. It's it's completely Passive. You're waiting for guys to come in and do something and they misunderstand that like a guy wants you to it. It immediately makes you seem that not that interested So Oh pay me pay me to make me do this thing because I don't really want to do it. That's not the fantasy.. The fantasy is oh I I Want to stick the glass Still do it My oh.
[25:31] Keith: Right? right.
[25:37] Mike: I Got this new glass til I'm going to try it. That's like the fantasy. So.
[25:39] Keith: Right? Yeah yeah I look I don't know what the what the proper sales techniques are but the thing that like is so striking about ah ala is that she. You can tell she's like put some mind to it and she's sort of a B tested various strategies and like paid attention to what seems to get a rise out of folks and you know she even expressed that she's yeah she feels like she hasn't spent that much time thinking about it and that.
[26:02] Mike: Right.
[26:14] Keith: It's really easy for her to have the like number 1 gone wild Reddit post of all time without really even thinking about it that much was sort of surprising to her and that I mean now that I know that's true I guess it's not surprising it makes sense there just aren't.
[26:20] Mike: Um, right.
[26:32] Keith: Super creative people in this area but um.
[26:33] Mike: Yeah, yeah, maybe it's that the people that are would be good at this are off doing something That's not porn sex related which is sort of too bad. Yes.
[26:40] Keith: Um, maybe but I mean it? yeah well and it implies some opportunity because didn't she say she was making like over $100000 a month at one point like I think this is a serious career if you do it? Well um.
[26:49] Mike: Yes, yeah, and I mean and I think that she could easily manage a stable of other women and sort of like coach them up to do the right set of things like I I Just think that like it require it probably requires genuine training. You'd have to.
[26:57] Keith: I do too. Yep.
[27:06] Mike: Learn to like get over whatever obstacles mental obstacles. You have? yeah.
[27:09] Keith: Sure I think and yeah, like probably some of the stuff would make you know the majority of women uncomfortable. But for those that it doesn't I think it's sort of a lucrative ah career all right, Let's move on.
[27:17] Mike: Um, right now.
[27:24] Keith: Um, this person says I use sex toys with my girlfriend for the first time and it was amazing recently I 23 year old male was at her. She's a 25 year old female place and I guess she forgot to store away her sex toys because when I entered her room. She started panicking. There are vibrators dill those plugs, etc all sitting on top of her drawers.
[27:29] Mike: Um.
[27:41] Keith: I knew she was using a magic wand but this felt like the back room of Spencer's asked her about the other toys. She had how they worked and if she'd be down to show me how she use it as on herself. She was comfortable with it I guess she was either turned on by me asking or embarrassed because she turned bright red still. She showed me. She used an anal plug and explained that it enhanced her pleasure from sex or when she masturbates the real kicker though was the klit-sucking vibrator. She had her reaction to her reactions to her using them on her clit were incredible. She kept squirming moaning and orgasmed pretty intensely. But the best part she came in 3.
[28:03] Mike: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[28:16] Keith: Minutes. Ah decided if I want to read the rest of those. Yeah I'll read the rest when I saw that I eagerly suggested that we should incorporate them in the bedroom if it makes her come that easily though apparently she mentioned that it would that I would probably be turned off by it because her past partners and most guys in general feel insufficient when toys are used in bed.
[28:36] Keith: So ah yeah I mean he talks about how it's basically a literal fucking cheat code I was able to make her come over 6 times in just half an hour um so the reason why I wanted to bring this up is.
[28:53] Keith: Ah, there's this feels like a slope toward something that could be problematic but initially might be kind of nice like it. Yeah, if there if there were basically a button on your partner that could make them Orgasm would you want to have that.
[29:13] Mike: Oh that's a good question. Um I think that let's see imply that that like ah a hidden hypothesis behind that is the notion that that I'm having trouble.
[29:28] Mike: She's having trouble getting there or something.
[29:30] Keith: Um, maybe not maybe there's a reliable way but it you know takes 12 minutes
[29:35] Mike: Okay, um, let's see I think my answer I think my answer would be something like I don't care. It doesn't matter then. Okay, if it took you know an hour then yeah I mean there becomes like a time management constrat. But I think.
[29:50] Keith: Fried.
[29:53] Mike: In general if you sequence the situation properly the 10 minutes or whatever timeframe you said is not like wasted from the guy's perspective I mean you're still enjoying yourself right? And so if you just push this button and so I mean I actually think that's like 1 of the problems with this is that it's like yeah it can make it.
[30:03] Keith: Yes, yeah, it's fun. Yeah.
[30:13] Mike: Go really quickly and also I think there's definitely the as we've mentioned but failed to get into pop culture the female equivalent of male death grip called white claw which can happen from overuse of vibrators and then basically they have difficulty orgasming any other way. So there's certainly that risk and guys ah are the poster children for this.
[30:21] Keith: Right.
[30:32] Keith: Yeah I think I would want I think I would want this button. First of all, you don't have to use it. So it's basically like a break glass in case of emergency and the problem is.
[30:32] Mike: Men require intense stimulation often.
[30:38] Mike: Um, okay.
[30:51] Keith: I think the problem for the woman is yeah I mean you? Yeah, if you if you have some like klit sicking suck sicking clit sucking vibrator that provides stimulation that a man cannot and your orgasms from it are quick and you know Maximally or close to maximally intense. Yeah, you're going to end up with white claw and that's not good, but that's not really my problem.
[31:14] Mike: Um, right.
[31:18] Mike: I don't I mean the truth is like I think most women wouldn't actually wind up with white claw because they don't care as much about reaching orgasm like they don't They don't have the same drive to masturbate as men do and so I don't think I think you would I think it would be. Somewhat less important but I think but that being said I hear your point about wanting to have the button I mean on some level like there are drugs people can consume that give them intense pleasure pretty quickly. But so that button sort of exists. But yeah I mean for the situation where the woman is having difficulty climaxing and that that.
[31:52] Keith: Um, yeah.
[31:54] Mike: Is normal right? where it's not. You know? So. So yeah, if you had the ability to do something to get her over the top I mean the truth is that like vibrators exist that button exists and you know in a lot of cases. This is the thing is that I think that there is a set of women. There's a set of situations where the woman. Ah, physically she wants to have an orgasm but she is having difficulty doing it. But I think the much more common thing is she just isn't there kind of emotionally and so saying hey I can vibrate an orgasm out of you. She's like yeah I don't really want that either like she's basically having sex with you for your benefit. She still enjoys it.
[32:22] Keith: Yeah, um.
[32:31] Mike: She enjoys giving you pleasure but like doesn't she wouldn't like go of the other room and masturbate like like the situation. Let's see ah you described to me in a encounter before we started recording where you were with a woman and you gave her oral but then you did not yourself Climax You didn't finish so in that situation.
[32:49] Keith: Yep.
[32:51] Mike: 1 can imagine a man going into the bathroom and masturbating I don't think the reverse for women is that common it could happen but it's much less common for a guy. It's almost a lock that he's going to need to go do that or one to right is that what happened to you did you have to.
[33:04] Keith: He'll really want To. He may not feel empowered to do So yeah. On that particular evening. Yeah well I left. So.
[33:10] Mike: Tough it out. Did you get any? ah after effects of the arousal the un consummated arousal. Yes, that's really.
[33:18] Keith: Where where my where my balls blue tinted. They didn't feel great.
[33:28] Mike: You know, even after they start hurting you can beat off and it helps okay good I did did you do it ah before or after you got home both fair point.
[33:30] Keith: Yes, I'm aware and I did.
[33:40] Keith: Ah I mean this is a while ago. Yeah yeah, um, all right, Let's move on I lost.
[33:54] Keith: Lost the the question about this eye contact during blowjobs. But I remember it was basically like oh I got a blowjob. She made a lot of eye contact I Loved it. Um, and I wanted to ask you as our resident blowjob Lover. Ah. Blow Jumpers Blow Jump receiving Lover. Ah.
[34:14] Mike: Normal guy. Yeah, it was wait was this a topic about the ah where the woman basically responded and said that she enjoys giving them really a lot or is a different topic. Okay.
[34:25] Keith: How to remember I just I just wanted a a way to bring up asking you if you like eye contact during glow jobs.
[34:37] Mike: Oh no I don't Ah, but that's because I don't like eye contact ever. Ah it it kind of creeps me out it I don't ah.
[34:41] Keith: Right into intimacy is to be avoided at all costs.
[34:49] Mike: I think that I mean I think I'm one I think first of all I think I'm not that far off of the norm for men I think that I'm interested in the woman um being receiving pleasure and so in that sense. Ah the the kind of porn trope of a woman like rolling her eyes back or something is compelling to me so her eyes can do things that indicate pleasure. But so but the thing that when you say eye contact the way that I interpret that is okay I interpret that as like some sort of soul searcharching like connection seeking and I don't I don't want that. That being said, if the point of the eye contact it so depends on the eye if the point of the eye contact is just to be like submissive.
[35:16] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[35:27] Mike: Like then yeah I like that sure sure if it's like like I'm I'm a Ah, they're not I don't but I don't want their eyes I don't want to feel like they're taking anything from me with their eyes like oh they're looking I don't I don't I don't want that? No I don't know I want it to be purely like just a sign of like.
[35:27] Keith: Submissive.
[35:36] Keith: You know what them to be getting any affirmation. Okay, this makes sense. How do you feel about the like crosseyed look that you see on photos on Reddit from time to time.
[35:46] Mike: Subservience? Yeah yeah.
[35:56] Keith: Maybe you don't I don't think you I don't think you crawl the picture subreddits like I do yeah.
[35:57] Mike: And not sure what she mean is this a woman who's like supposed to be orgasming or having pleasure or some other situation.
[36:04] Keith: Yeah, it's they're supposed to be like you know so divinely inspired by the pleasure they're receiving that they can't help from crossing their eyes.
[36:12] Mike: Yeah, yeah I mean that's like the rolling back thing. So the problem I have with that is that it's almost never true now I Want to say something though I was watching I was watching a cam girl this morning as I do I Ah what I do is um.
[36:20] Keith: Um, ah ah, research for the show.
[36:27] Mike: Have you ever this. So Jeffrey Tubin I think was his name. The guy who got caught masturbating during a a sorry something like that I should say purportedly because I haven't you know he wasn't convicted of it and I don't you know he's a he's a public figure. But.
[36:30] Keith: Um, oh yes, yeah like a ah news meeting or something right.
[36:38] Keith: Can what what crime would have he committed.
[36:43] Mike: I Just don't want to like I I wasn't there I didn't see it but purportedly purportedly. He was okay. Okay, so anyway I like to do that. Ah, but I'm good at muting my camera and microphone and also I'm smart about like putting an actual physical obstacle.
[36:45] Keith: I think he did it I don't think that part's controversial.
[37:01] Mike: Um, oh yes, yes.
[37:01] Keith: Well wait hold on sorry you like to do that. What is that masturbate during Zoom calls what this feels like ah what what have you ever done that on a Zoom call with me.
[37:13] Mike: No I don't no I don't think no no, certainly not where I was like interacting. No this would be like a work call where I'm definitely not going to have to say anything and it's just like look I have like 30 minutes to an hour that I'm just like on this call and basically the reason is this a common thing in the american workplace like the reason i'm.
[37:22] Keith: Okay, ah.
[37:33] Mike: Or in the America the new american virtual workplace. The reason I'm there if it was in the office I would be sort of sitting there silent right? Ah, you know, receiving information and the reason I'm there is just so my name shows up so like the right set of people see my names there that I'm taking something seriously and so then I will simply take yeah so I will and importantly I use a physical barrier.
[37:37] Keith: Yeah.
[37:42] Keith: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, all right. This is That's an important mitigating context. Yes, like a Postit node or electrical tape or something.
[37:52] Mike: So there's no possible way that ah that ah typically like a yeah, no not I would typically just use something ah placed ah a stride or straggling the the top of my laptop so that like it can't move if that makes sense so that way I don't have to actually physically tape something.
[38:06] Keith: Yeah.
[38:11] Mike: Opposed a note could fall and it's too risky Anyway, Um, so this might have been in this context I'm not sure I was just trying to defend why I was watching a cam girl in the morning Anyway, she had a real orgasm long-winded way of saying that she she really did I I believed it I know really unusual for me. Um, and.
[38:18] Keith: Um, yeah.
[38:23] Keith: Wow Stop the press.
[38:30] Mike: The reason she had a it's to Harken back to our previous topic. She had a vibrator she she was really working. She had a vibrator a dildo that she was sort of working a bit and then something up her butt and she yeah, she very it was very clearly real I was looking for those anal contractions and so forth and she signed off soon thereafter.
[38:45] Keith: Ah, hoff.
[38:50] Mike: Um I did not notice whether our eyes rolled back but like that stuff is compelling to me but typically the eye weirdness that a model does is just performative and and so I dislike it because I know that yeah I want I want authenticity but no connection. That's what I'm looking for I'm not.
[38:59] Keith: Yeah, okay.
[39:09] Mike: Sure what that means? Yeah I think an autistic girlfriend would be perfect right? like So yeah or maybe an ai a I would be good. Yeah a eyes are very.
[39:12] Keith: Well, there's yeah I mean and and it it varies but well I think for your predilections. Yeah could be.
[39:26] Keith: Um, well an ai would be trained so like I don't know if you'd have to give it input or if it could just observe but it would it would know whether it's doing a good job or not and then it would adjust for future sessions.
[39:29] Mike: Earnest. Yeah.
[39:38] Mike: By the way I've I've actually ah I've integrated ah chat Gpt into my work for this podcast.
[39:46] Keith: Um.
[39:46] Mike: When I'm looking through various topics of stuff and I want to know if something sex relationship related I'm able to paste in like say a list of a hundred things and say tell me if any of these are sex relation related and it does school.
[39:55] Keith: Yeah I mean yeah Che Che Bt is amazing. It's and the the new one is coming out very soon I'm looking forward to that I signed up for the beta have you signed up for the bit for the bing beta you may as well.
[40:07] Mike: Now I should oh the bing Bait I have yes sure.
[40:15] Keith: You do? Oh Okay, let's talk offline about that. Um, okay, this person says watching movies slash sleeping with him inside of me recently I was watching a movie with my boyfriend who was feeling horny but instead of asking him to fuck me.
[40:26] Mike: Um.
[40:31] Keith: Put his stick inside and we watched the rest of the movie that way felt so good Even when he did not thrust. He came from just being inside of me I'm now obsessed with doing this but was wondering if there is any hygiene issues in his dick being inside me for so long. So yeah, there's some questions here like she's she uses the term so long and.
[40:39] Mike: Ah.
[40:50] Keith: Coming from just being inside of me and we watch the rest of the movie. So we have some hints about how much time is going by here but ah I don't think this is a thing I think he's just basically figured out a way to gaslight her into always being inside of her.
[40:57] Mike: Yeah.
[41:08] Mike: Ah, well I mean first of all I would note that this would be very frightening to the members of the latter day saints church who participate in so-called soaking which is a thing where they believe some of them. Believe that it's not sex if you simply put the penis inside and don't thrust this would be frightening to them because here's somebody having an orgasm doing that so then pregnancy risk from soaking should be low, but here it's it's high oh to not violate the strictures around having premarital sex.
[41:30] Keith: Um, from soaking. Ah what is the what is the point of soaking.
[41:42] Mike: So the notion is if you're not thrusting for some reason I'm not sure where in the bible or book of Mormon or whatever it says that thrusting is required for so for it to become sex. But ah apparently the fancy rile of revelation.
[41:53] Keith: We've we've had conversations about what constitutes a thrust in the past now to to insert the penis has to be So. Yeah, but we've discussed whether a thrust is. 1 way you know in and out is that one thrust or is the motion of just going in is that a thrust and then out is another thrust. So So that's you thrust? Yes, unless you unless you die Midcoitus That's the only way you could have a.
[42:09] Mike: There does have to be an out for every in. Obviously so they have to come in Paris right thing then you're then you've had a half a thrust and and a necrophiac sense. And yeah.
[42:23] Keith: Right? Um, or if you were somehow born with your penis inside something.
[42:27] Mike: You actually everybody everybody's born with their penis inside of vagina. Ironically yeah yeah, actually that's a good point every every man that's true. Every man has that's right every man has a half a thrust. You can never.
[42:33] Keith: Fair point Mike so you come out with a with a half thrust because you've you've removed.
[42:45] Mike: It's right? So the reason men want to get inside so much. Well, this is like a standard joke right? So you can you can even that out. So yeah, might the first thing I thought when I heard this question was what position were they in because most positions would not be amenable to watching the movie and the position that came to my mind was sort of.
[42:49] Keith: Right.
[42:58] Keith: Yeah.
[43:03] Mike: Her sitting on a couch and him kind of lying I'm actually not sure like I was imagine kind of lying under her so he can sort of be inserted. Okay, let's hear it.
[43:10] Keith: I Had a vision I think there? Yeah I think they're on a couch. Um his she's in front of him facing the television and he's behind her. They're probably on their side and he just is sort of penetrating her from behind.
[43:24] Mike: So he has kind of a long penis or he's kind of scrunched down or something so he can do that kind of penetration be a little tricky are her legs bent at the waist or not.
[43:34] Keith: I I guess I don't think it's that tricky maybe imagine her like just sort of curled up in the fetal position on a bed and then he just slides it behind her.
[43:42] Mike: Yeah, oh I like that. Okay, okay, and so they're both sideways. They're both watching the movie sideways like they cant look that the tv unless they turn the Tv sideways they're watching kind of it.
[43:51] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, ah, you're aware of this the I like basically adjusts pretty quickly to context like that. Yes, yeah, not ideal but you do get the benefit of.
[43:59] Mike: I Know it's still annoying. But yeah.
[44:09] Mike: So I had I had a girlfriend in college who wanted to ah fall asleep with my cock in her mouth. Yeah.
[44:09] Keith: Being inside somebody.
[44:17] Keith: In her mouth doesn't that incur some risk to you like what if she grinds her teeth.
[44:24] Mike: I Didn't think of that nothing happened it was boring. It was like uninteresting it just it just meant that she was sort of lower down in the bed. It was in that sense. It was nice like it was as if I was alone but with a mouth on my clock. Yeah, so.
[44:35] Keith: Right? right? right? Yeah I mean I think.
[44:42] Mike: I Do I Still I don't get how he nutted like that's strange.
[44:45] Keith: Well I mean the reality is I think he was just trying to gaslight her into have exacts and he was probably doing you know Micro or or milli movements here that she wasn't really perceiving but he was.
[45:02] Mike: Um, from.
[45:04] Keith: He was just trying to get himself off.
[45:05] Mike: Um, I mean but there's usually like kind of I mean there's the you know the the 4 stages of arousal I mean you know there's a there's a point when you have to kind of build yourself up to orgasm men don't men also don't really have that button that makes you come and so I mean he'd have to.
[45:23] Mike: Feel like there I feel like that's not right? like do you think? let's ask it this way. Let's say that a woman asked you to do this. Do you think that you could say look I'm going to insert it and I'm only allowed to do micro and but you know so she thinks Essentially you're not moving. Do you think that like if you set a clock and you said okay between minute.
[45:29] Keith: Um.
[45:40] Mike: 22 27 you have to nut. Do you think you could.
[45:46] Keith: Um, all right? Let's get scientific about this I think that basically if I'm able to do enough movements to maintain my erection leading up to leading up to that minute 22 that I could.
[45:57] Mike: Um, okay.
[46:03] Keith: And the what am I allowed to do between minutes 22 and 27 nice now now at some point I need more aggressive stimulation.
[46:05] Mike: The same thing I mean youre your beer you're soaking basically with some amount of yeah you that's right? So I think that I think that this is she's covering for the fact that like at some point they just started fucking.
[46:17] Keith: He might not know she might not know like this whole thing I think she's been misled about.
[46:26] Mike: Um, maybe he was masturbating himself with his hand wall. Anyway, Yeah, why do you think wait. Why do you think she's being misled I mean she doesn't sound upset about it.
[46:29] Keith: Yeah, you think no, she doesn't in fact, didn't she say something like I am now obsessed with doing this but was wondering if there's any hygiene issue in his dick being inside her for so long.
[46:46] Mike: Oh right? No of course not I'm obsessed with doing it to her too. So I mean are you I Well find her? yeah.
[46:49] Keith: Yeah, yeah, we should I'm sure her R I p her inbox already. Um all right? Let's move on to this engorged clit. Um, this is a long one and I'm not sure when I should stop.
[47:02] Mike: Nice.
[47:09] Keith: I Haven't read all of this I think you have so why don't you stop me when you think a good time is and I'll I'll just go all right? Just had my first g-spot Orgasm last night here's what I learned Disclaimer This is just my experience I understand everybody I'm not reading that.
[47:13] Mike: Um, okay.
[47:21] Mike: District.
[47:22] Keith: So to preface I'd like to say I'm a clitg girl through and through and I've honestly never felt like I was missing out on much because give me 30 seconds 30 seconds mike my right hand and I could basically finish multiple times back to back to back? No problem. Yeah, all right? Let's say let's just stipulate she could have one reliably of course.
[47:33] Mike: No, but ok. Oh. It's the thirty s it's the 30 seconds that I bet okay go on. Yeah.
[47:40] Keith: Like other women right? of course like other women I'm sure I've googled how to find gspot can't gspot orgasm many a times with no real revelation or success I think my biggest problem was that I was going about it to clinically I would set up an evening a mirror. Not how I usually masturbate alone at all and basically experiment and try to figure out what the fuck the g spot is and I would always come out slightly disappointed but also affirmed that I can only orgasm via external clitoral stimulation that and also I've masturbated the same exact way. And technique. Basically since I was a kid so I felt like my body was too conditioned to orgasm 1 way to switch it up. Yeah, she's got a form of vo claw herself there. Well recently I've decided to do a Google search again and read the g spot is basically the extension of the clit and even though I knew this anatomically.
[48:21] Mike: Yes.
[48:32] Keith: Just thought mine wasn't prominent or my body just wasn't built for penetrative orgasms anyway, I went about my day not thinking about it much and then last night before bed I decided to masturbate using my usual routine now because I can finish myself so fast. It's not unusual for me to edge myself a few times before I finish and go to sleep l o l. Last night I ended up edging myself probably 5 to 6 times and you know when you're really horny slash really close to finishing your clit gets erect. Well I was like it's pretty swollen at this stage I wonder if that means I can find my g spot since it's technically part of the clit I decided to feel the inside expecting what I usually felt a very mild pleasant feeling. And to my surprise I felt the faded spongyg spot. 1 thing I immediately noticed it's way closer to the entrance than I thought it's probably different for every woman but I'm a very small person 4 10 so maybe I should have connected the dots that my g spot might be in a shallower spot. Well when I touched that part it felt like I was touching my clip but from really deep. Was honestly a little bit jarring to feel the new sensation but I was excited about it so I whipped out my seldom used rotating head dildo at the craziest orgasm of my life I've always felt like the sex gurus on Google or whatever was was absolutely exaggerating when they say you can have a life changing orgasm for penetration. But holy shit they were not lying.
[49:33] Mike: For.
[49:47] Keith: I came so hard that I experienced post-nut clarity for the first time l lol oh that's interesting. Ah I'm almost done here. Ah there's all I mean there's there's only 2 senses left so I may as well I'm I'm I'm I'm interested. Also.
[49:52] Mike: Yes, it is okay, you could stop there problem can't go ahead. Yeah.
[50:02] Keith: Is besides the point but I've never felt any sort of post-orgasm clarity or feel any different beside maybe tired and satisfied and it was weird I honestly felt a weird sense of doom and anxiety for like 20 minutes after the fact but at the same time being euphoric and super out of it. All in all I'm glad I learned something new about my body and I think I'll have an easier time achieving penetrative orgasms for now on. Although the post note was too much for me to want to do it every day huh. Wow there's a lot to analyze here all right? Mike go yes, it does because because especially especially given the context of her saying.
[50:29] Mike: Well, it makes you wonder if this was her first orgasm period. It makes you wonder that a little bit. Um she she sounds.
[50:40] Keith: She could finish multiple times back to back to back with no problem that right right.
[50:43] Mike: Ah, in in 30 seconds yeah that's that suggests that maybe there's this was a fundamentally different experience she had than than in the past. Um I mean I think like this first of all I think that her. Anatomically this thing about it being shallower I don't think that's right I think it typically is pretty shallow like it's not yeah, it's not very far in there. Um, and so that's I think she's normal I don't think her being had encounters. Well I mean but it's very shallow like you only need.
[51:06] Keith: Yeah, you can get there with your fingers.
[51:15] Mike: 1 to one and a half knuckles or something to get in there. It's not not very far in um, and yeah I mean I it's I just thought I thought it was like a very accurate sounding ah description of what's really going on there that like women could profit from.
[51:16] Keith: Yes.
[51:33] Keith: Yeah I hesitate to call anything this person wrote accurate just because the grammar is such an abortion. But yeah, but I agree that is it is descriptive in a way that's useful.
[51:34] Mike: Benefit from.
[51:38] Mike: Not hearing you? yeah yeah I mean but she ah yeah, like in right and I think that like in I think that this comports it's a little surprising for a woman to find this confusing because and I think you'll agree maybe you won't but I think you'll agree that ah many many many women if you're giving them an orgasm through oral manual sex as a man ah will have a much better orgasm if when they get close to it. You start stroking this part of their body from with something one 2 fingers right? I mean like Ams it up.
[52:16] Keith: Yes, yeah, acted I do find that like 1 in 8 women don't like ah fingers in there when they're close to.
[52:17] Mike: Like basically yeah.
[52:29] Mike: How does that manifested just like get it out of me huh. Maybe that's because your technique's wrong or you didn't cut your nails fair point. Yeah, um, yeah.
[52:30] Keith: Yeah,, they'll say no. Thanks. Maybe although you would think it would be more than 1 in eight I mean maybe only 1 in 8 are confident enough to bruise my ego. That's.
[52:47] Mike: Yeah, maybe it does I mean it's surprising that it would bother them I think it would just do nothing for them.
[52:50] Keith: Sure Maybe they don't want the distraction. You know like you don't want someone like rubbing your elbow while you're for about to come.
[52:56] Mike: That's true. Maybe it's the other or maybe they were they were faking. They were faking and it's ah you just like found one of the ah one of the ways that women behave when they fake Orgasm she's like I don't I don't want him doing that to me.
[53:08] Keith: Yeah, but if they're faking Why would they wouldn't they want to like pretend that they like what I'm doing Yeah all right.
[53:13] Mike: Probably that's probably right? So yeah I had something else interesting to say Oh yeah, what I wanted to say was that the in in my experience. The fingers doesn't make them come faster. It makes them comes more strongly.
[53:32] Keith: Yeah.
[53:32] Mike: Typically so it's basically like you can you can. It's kind of funny actually as a guy you can be like oh I'm only going to give you a level 3 orgasm today like why wouldn't you always do that I don't know sometimes you just a dick you know? oh and yeah and I wanted to say also that that's it's a thing that um.
[53:43] Keith: Right? Yeah, this gets back to.
[53:51] Mike: It's a type of stimulation that's somewhat harder for a woman she had to whip out some kind of complicated dildo with moving parts. Yeah.
[53:55] Keith: A rotating head dildo I don't I guess I don't know what that is I can imagine what it is I'll Google it right now? Yes, yeah yeah, okay apparently I need to.
[54:07] Mike: I've seen one before that had like these beads in it or something that rotate that are intended for that spot. Um, but it's yeah, it's going to be difficult for ah for a woman to sort of like.
[54:14] Keith: Had the last word there.
[54:20] Mike: Get herself necessarily the the right stimulation and I mean certainly doable. It's just not as easy. It's not as um, accessible as the clit and so you can see how and also the other notable thing here is very briefly is that it just shows you How few women insert anything during masturbation.
[54:25] Keith: Right.
[54:39] Mike: Actually which is the truth I mean that's you so going back to like yeah the rolling back the eyes like when a cam girl now the one that I saw of a real orgasm this morning did have a bunch of things inserted but it was very believable so they have it but most of the time like they're just inserting stuff for the the guys Ben you know so guys can beat off and imagine.
[54:52] Keith: Right? I mean that's probably true I Just don't I mean this is n equals one. It's just an anecdote.
[54:59] Mike: Oh no, there's there's definitely data on what percentage of women insert things during masturbation and it's low the vast image. Yeah, it just doesn't add much.
[55:06] Keith: Why do they can not get the angle like why don't they.
[55:14] Mike: Doesn't add much. Yeah I mean look they don't all have this rotating head thing and it's sort of complicated to get that experience. They probably. It's It's a yeah, it's a fair point they probably could amp it up but the much the the much more kind look the yeah the.
[55:25] Keith: Well, a man can amp it up and some sort of rotating head dildo can amp it up. You know you would think that a finger could at least in some non-zero way finger or 2 or 3 amp it up. But maybe it's uncomfortable I mean if you have to sort of like hunch over and do this like you know.
[55:33] Mike: Um, yeah.
[55:36] Mike: Yeah, for sure for sure. But it's I mean yeah, it's a little more difficult to reach than.
[55:45] Keith: Digital gymnastics. It might be.
[55:46] Mike: Right? Yeah look I mean ah I don't know if you've noticed this before but um, when you're watching whether it's cams or porn or something like that I I find it notable that some significant percentage of the time when women are trying to access their vagina. They go through the back instead of the front if that makes sense like in other in other words like the to a guy like the natural way to get to your genitals is below your belly button but to a woman. It's not totally clear like they might go the other way like around their buttock.
[56:13] Keith: Um, oh yes.
[56:19] Mike: And so right there you have somebody who like it's like oh well, that's going to be very inaccessible if that's your your natural chosen path to there and that's because for them like it's they're sort of indifferent maybe between the 2 depends on anatomy.
[56:26] Keith: Right? right? Yeah I ah I also find it generally. It's a mild segue but it's time I find it generally sort of confusing that more women don't report experiments like this one ran like we've we've. Interrogated Allie about this like Allie was talking about the position that she masturbates in I think she said she's like on her back is that right? Do you remember.
[56:51] Mike: Yeah I don't I don't like the description she gives us to is it. It doesn't turn me on it bothers me. But yeah, she basically likes to put one finger on one side of her clit and kind of rub and and doesn't do it for me.
[57:01] Keith: Yeah, but then we asked her we asked her if she tried like some other stuff and she was like no I've never even tried it and it surprised me that she wasn't like intellectually interested like I've tried everything. It's you know and then I have like I haven't.
[57:16] Mike: You haven't tried pegging supposed. Yeah see presumably. You haven't sat on various things. Um.
[57:19] Keith: Although ah yeah I Guess that's all true. Maybe I'm being a hypocrite here but I have tried masturbating with various lotions and creams and food products and I don't know.
[57:32] Mike: What food products like a melon wait. What what did you do with the peanut butter.
[57:36] Keith: Tried Peanut butter doesn't work. Well this was like when I was a you know early teens man you give up on this. Ah, you just think it's like an interesting idea like oh like if I stick my dick in this. It might have like interesting. Yeah.
[57:46] Mike: In it so you took like a jar of peanut butter and fucked it. Did you what happened to the peanut butter after don't oh no, this is actually I need to know this I need to know this is this a thing that Teenagerage I didn't know.
[58:00] Keith: I toss it I look I don't remember Mike I got to be honest I don't remember I'm sure I tossed it like I've always been like pretty repulsed by my by my semen I yeah I can't imagine being like now I don't think so that's another thing but like even if you don't finish like it's still his head.
[58:12] Mike: Um, we did you finish in the peanut butter.
[58:18] Mike: I Mean if you tried like a a can of sardines or like a what like a molasses like nechamima syrup. Well that makes more sense. Yeah, you cut a hole in the.
[58:19] Keith: Penile contact. No and could cant sardines what was that Reddit thing that was it was it a watermelon. What don't you remember that like famous Reddit post about the guy.
[58:37] Mike: Ah, yeah, antelope something like that. Yeah, that one that one I've done It was.
[58:38] Keith: Like technique for like was it was it a watermelon I can't remember what it was yeah and then everyone on Reddit everyone on Reddit for like a month was trying and you know I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna remind myself.
[58:48] Mike: Well I tried it along before that and it was not compelling to me just.
[58:56] Keith: About this and then I'll report back for our next. Let me let me let me take a note here fucking a watermelon there go? Um, so yeah I mean and then I tried I tried Jelly Peanut butter is too thick. You don't get enough. Ah.
[58:57] Mike: And okay.
[59:13] Mike: I got it and you you moved on to jelly.
[59:15] Keith: It It doesn't doesn't give enough so that I tried Jelly and jam and it's it's too thin I mean Vaginas are really you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, can.
[59:23] Mike: What were you trying to do oh you were trying to simulate a vagina interesting you were looking for say that didn't occur to me. Why not oh sure I mean like um like a hams sandwich.
[59:32] Keith: Can you think of anything else that would be like the right viscosity.
[59:41] Mike: Something with meat in it like and then maybe some mayo so like a ham sandwich. Some mayo seems right or like a hot dog bun a hot dog bun with salami right? Roast beef.
[59:44] Keith: I I could provide the mail myself.
[59:53] Keith: Now that would give he need the right? you need the right that the temperature matters too like you don't want to be like I know I try I tried that um, vaseline's not bad vaselines close to the right amount of his guy like.
[59:59] Mike: He can warm it up.
[01:00:11] Keith: Vis scarsity but it's not. It's not quite enough. Yeah.
[01:00:12] Mike: This Never yeah I never did this Ah I would try various like strategies to like make it so I could thrust in and out of something but not this dislikes kind of textural obsession I didn't have I just didn't have the I didn't.
[01:00:21] Keith: Not the entire protus department.
[01:00:29] Mike: Go for a certain texture like I'm not sure why like I was okay with my hands I would just try to like figure out a different way to interact with them. Yeah.
[01:00:35] Keith: Right? right? All right? I think this is like a great place to stop so that'll do it for episode one zero eight of your mileage may vary. You can reach us at ymmvpod on Twitter or at YMMVPod at gmail.com
[01:00:44] Mike: Um, yes.
[01:00:53] Keith: Ah, we respond to everything we get. So if you want to interact with us in person. That's yeah, that's true. That's true. But again we occasionally don't respond to dick pics. But even those we normally do. That's not an invitation. Ah, that's also ah the.
[01:00:56] Mike: As long as it's not nonsensical. We get some gibber Jabber some yeah.
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