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[0:47] Keith: Um okay, Mike. Well, first off, welcome to the show. Thanks.
[0:48] Keith: All right.
[1:00] Keith: I've made a discovery that I think may gross you out in a new, super powerful way because it combines two areas he find repulsive, which is dental hygiene and eating out. Oh, God.
[1:09] Keith: Are you ready? Yeah. Okay. So I don't know if you know this about me. I think you do. I flossed my teeth, like once or twice a day.
[1:13] Mike: I mean, I I've lost my teeth once a day. I mean, you know, that's why do you still have zero cavities, right?
[1:17] Keith: I have had zero cavities in my life. Correct? Yeah. I need to
[1:25] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. Kids, make sure you floss. Uh, sometimes when you've los, you'll, uh, taste something from, like, a previous meal.
[1:27] Mike: Yeah,
[1:38] Mike: it's just mechanical. No big deal. Yeah, I see where this is going. Way coming. What? What cheese. Do you really?
[1:42] Keith: And so, Yeah. I mean, when you go down on somebody,
[1:58] Keith: you know, way talked last episode about how you know, some of the various, you know, odors and tastes related to two secretions down there, like, have some sticking power may be beyond what you would expect. Like, maybe there's some evolutionary reason for that. Yeah,
[2:04] Keith: Well, uh, why would you stick in your teeth a little bit too?
[2:07] Mike: Were you like, um, were you
[2:10] Mike: kind of chewing on her labia are, like, kind of putting
[2:16] Keith: them like they were flying towards mostly fluid stuff. I would
[2:26] Mike: just think that wouldn't I would think that wouldn't stick around. Okay, here's what confuses me about that is why did it come out when flossing in pretty. Do you use unfair? Like, do you use floss with mint on? It urges nothing on it.
[2:28] Keith: I use nothing intact.
[2:37] Keith: I think all of these, like flavored Flosses air sort of lame because, like, you're sort of introducing sugar or, like, weirdness into your teeth. Like while you're trying to get them squeaky clean.
[2:44] Mike: Yeah. I mean, well, first of all, I don't know if I like the mint stuff. Has any sugar in it? I mean, it's just probably menthol, which I don't
[2:53] Mike: I doubt. I mean, look, when you brush your teeth, most people use a toothpaste, like is Mindy tasting? And so it's like that, right? You're just leaving that same chemical or whatever. And secondly, maybe this would
[2:55] Mike: eliminate
[3:03] Mike: E. I mean, is this a thing you know, like, did it is it which is with one particular partner that you've experienced this or is it it didn't happen. You're like, Oh, yeah, this happens every time.
[3:14] Keith: I am not sure. I think I noticed it recently, but I don't think that necessarily means I hadn't noticed in the past. It is sort of noticed it and noted it for the first time. Yeah.
[3:21] Mike: Yeah. I don't think I've noticed that particular phenomenon. It's pretty. That's pretty gross. I'm glad. I'm glad it hasn't
[3:25] Mike: um I mean, the only other thing I can say about that is that, like I have,
[3:55] Mike: um, you know, I mean, one pleasant thing about being male is that the amount of fluid that we're talking about is pretty low. I have read online female accounts of, like, burping after giving a blow and oh, various. Like, whether it's the sort of the odor coming up or maybe even a little bit of fluid. Yeah, that's so I'm pleased that I don't think that's really possible for a man, but yeah. I mean, the thing you're describing, it seems certainly possible, I think, I think probably also the fact that I used mint flavored floss,
[3:56] Mike: maybe.
[4:02] Mike: Yeah, I think it just makes us like that. Like flossing is always I associate it with a minty experience.
[4:10] Keith: Okay. All right. Topic two of our banter is s o. I know you don't watch the bachelor, but the bachelor this season actually
[4:14] Mike: didn't watch my episode. Really? The bachelors One with the multiple women, right?
[4:24] Keith: Yes, of course. Yes. Sorry. I don't want to turn this into a bachelor podcast, but yeah, the unique thing about this season is that the bachelor claims he's a virgin.
[4:56] Mike: Oh, yeah, right. I I saw an episode that I liked it because it was an episode. I don't want to talk about the bathroom much either. But it was an episode that had meant they must be like it was crawling with women, maybe 15. Sure. And I like that. Like, I like that just because there were so many. I mean, they do a good job of having different body types, you know? Yeah, the types of attracting they're all hyper attractive, but it's like different types of attractiveness. And so that was very pleasant. Just basically looking at these 15 women, if you get sound like three of them, I can't imagine because they just there. Look, I don't want to see their personalities, obviously, but just seeing their bodies is great.
[5:07] Mike: And I liked how the body language how they're all just trying to press in around him at all. I mean, it's like, Oh, this is I would like, Yeah. I mean, for a man actually was asking my wife like, why would a woman watch this? But anyway, go on. I
[5:15] Keith: did. The asymmetry of the show is crazy. and I guess it's made slightly better that there's also a show called The Bachelor. Edwards reversed, but,
[5:25] Mike: yeah, but nobody wants to see lots of few relatively few women compared to men. Want to see just lots of hot guys, right? Women don't. Most women don't watch like a football game to see the hot guys running around
[5:29] Keith: after. I wonder what the ratings differences between the bachelor bachelorette
[5:30] Keith: thing
[5:31] Mike: is.
[5:34] Mike: These reality shows have kind of am.
[5:44] Mike: They're things they do to appeal to men and women, right? But the thing I would say is the bachelorette men must not watch that as much because what would their what's interesting about that? For a man,
[5:52] Keith: they usually pick someone who's fairly attractive. But I'm guessing the like. Demographics of the show is
[6:01] Keith: such that, like, 80% of that I don't know way more than half the viewership is women anyway. So doing something that affects the male viewership a little bit probably doesn't matter.
[6:02] Mike: Yeah, all right, So what? What
[6:07] Keith: specific? Well, here's the thing, and I think the answer to this is obvious, but it's
[6:10] Mike: not going to say one of them started flossing. Are you No.
[6:18] Keith: No. Okay. Is it Is it better? Ah, is it better? Is having sex with a virgin? Better for a guy or a girl.
[6:22] Mike: Okay, so So you mean so. A man
[6:28] Mike: is a man having sex with a woman is a version better or is a Mormon having sex of the man is a virgin. Better.
[6:32] Mike: It's definitely better I can ask you straight up is much better
[6:35] Mike: for the man to have sex with a virgin woman.
[6:35] Mike: Yeah.
[6:38] Keith: Okay. So I agree. Do you wantto
[6:39] Keith: put some more color on that? Sure.
[7:03] Mike: I mean, uh, the woman is at the mercy to a much larger extent. Unless she's extremely confident sexually of the man having like, reasonable technique, There's things the guy needs to do more than the woman and also ah, man, who's a virgin? I can't imagine he's not gonna be. It's also a technique thing, but like he's gonna ejaculate kind of quickly. And I will not have the proper technique even when that happens to, like, sort of
[7:12] Mike: do much afterward. Like he's gonna do a bad job on that score. He's a virgin. That's why he's gonna I mean, just it's highly likely to be pretty quick. Ah, and,
[7:14] Mike: um,
[7:27] Mike: by contrast, Ah, a man having sex with a virgin woman. Like, first of all, it's actually more exciting for him. Uh, you know, Beaky potentially because because he's her first. And like, if she's not, if she has no technique like,
[7:32] Mike: I mean, like, it won't be a 10 out of 10 experience, but it certainly could be an eight out of 10
[7:34] Keith: right? The man still likely orgasm
[7:52] Mike: is definitely good. I mean, well, that we've discussed that before, but but it's not like he's gonna It's gonna be a good experience for him. I mean, the caveats. There would be things like if she's in pain or, you know, that could be various things like make it sort of traumatic. But assuming so this is there some negatives? It's not. That's why it's not 10 out of 10. There's some negatives there. Yeah,
[7:56] Keith: yeah, eso they've
[7:58] Keith: They're coming to the episode where
[8:08] Keith: ostensibly he's gonna have sex with three women and, well, for starters, setting aside the awkwardness of like going second or third, um,
[8:16] Keith: yeah. I mean, I just can't imagine the women like looking forward to that too much because they're trying to win the show. But also now, Yeah, they have, like, super weird thing.
[8:22] Mike: What is the I mean, I really don't want to talk about what is the prime lie. Is he a virgin? I seem to be religious. Right?
[8:24] Mike: Um
[8:25] Mike: or is he lying?
[8:29] Keith: I don't think he's lying. He was in the NFL to which is strands. Well,
[8:42] Mike: let me give you there's only I gave you the two options option one of these religious option two is he's lying, and option one could be He's lying to you. Yeah. You're saying that's a man who's not religious? It was in the NFL in the NFL, and he's a virgin somehow. Like
[9:01] Keith: what? That is the claim. Yeah, here's Here's something that, like I mean, whatever. We don't have to get into this too much. But he was dating Ali Rassmann, who was the captain of the U. S. Olympic gymnastics team. All Ryan. I think they dated for a while, and, you know, she, of course, had some sexual trauma in her past.
[9:03] Mike: She would she write she with that doctor? Yeah, I
[9:04] Keith: know.
[9:12] Keith: So, uh, you know, maybe things you know, quote unquote didn't happen there. And then for whatever. Anyway, let's move on.
[9:14] Keith: Um,
[9:16] Mike: I mean, I could give you a series about that doctor, too, but it's probably
[9:23] Keith: shouldn't. Yeah, it's not very interesting. And even if it is, it's depressing content. So, um,
[9:30] Keith: okay, uh, here's a 19 year old female. She says that she's ovulating for the first time since she was 14.
[9:33] Keith: I don't quite understand, let's because yeah,
[9:35] Mike: she because she's on the pill, right? The pillowcase.
[9:52] Keith: Copulation, right, right, right. And I cannot believe the intense arousal it brings is not more widely spoken about. I've been on birth control since I was 14 which stopped my ovulation Good, good call Mike and just got off of it for the first time very recently, and I woke up a day or two ago with my underwear literally soaked through. My first thoughts were honestly,
[10:19] Keith: that had wet the bed. On top of that, all I can think of is sex and constantly aroused. My every second thought is sex related, and I could barely get anything done. Welcome to the male experience. Also, clitoral stimulation does absolutely nothing for me and the only way feel actually satisfied is when there's something inside of me. I know ovulation, just your body trying to get you pregnant. But holy fuck, there's something about it that's so primal. I thought there was something wrong with me until I googled it and found out that all women who have you let go through the same thing every month, but maybe on different levels of intensity. It's weird
[10:24] Keith: now this seemingly isn't ever discussed. Well, I I disagree. This isn't never discussed.
[10:30] Mike: Yeah, I mean, I think it's Ah, any man who's had a girlfriend knows that there's some cyclicality
[10:36] Mike: to Maria and sex. I mean, I think unless, well, almost all women have that, um
[10:39] Mike: and yeah, I mean, like, uh,
[10:50] Mike: there's stuff about what she's saying. That doesn't ring true. Like when a woman says, I get nothing out of clitoral stimulation, I think then you don't know what's how your body works. Sure,
[10:59] Mike: it's like that because that would be like a man saying, Yeah, I just get nothing at API Nile stimulation, is it? Have you ever heard a man's I mean, sure, a guy with like, some sort of disfiguring injury,
[11:01] Keith: really making nerve damage. So,
[11:11] Mike: I mean, that's just what that says to me. This we're down the path of, like, the woman who probably has never had an orgasm, in my view, because she doesn't, That doesn't make any sense. Like, um,
[11:12] Mike: yeah,
[11:16] Keith: she's 19 as well. So you know, that
[11:30] Keith: invites some questions there, but Okay. So Well, I mean, I wanted to talk about a couple things here first. Is it like a step function? Like, do women have, like, some sort of constant level of interest in sex that just spikes during that period? Where does it, Wayne? During
[11:32] Keith: some other time?
[12:00] Mike: Well, I mean, you're like, I think it's highly person dependent. And then you can I have my own theories about that. I will just say my theory. I think that I think that ah, part of the dependency on the individual part of his net definitely just sort of genetic biological. I think part of it is how ah, many potential male partners the woman has. So, in other words, I think that women that are highly sought after because they're attractive young, whatever I think have a lower base point. Whereas when a woman has less access to sex.
[12:22] Mike: The base point goes higher. That's it. I mean, if you think about it for a second. This is actually a very controversial thing to say. I think it is. I think it makes a lot of sense because it's like, Look, if you if you, ah, like eating candy bars If you have a zillion candy bars in your house, it's not as exciting if you have none and you have to drive 30 miles to a store. Well, then you're probably gonna think about candy bars. More is something like that.
[12:24] Mike: Oh,
[12:26] Mike: the analogy, I think is obvious, right?
[12:27] Keith: Yeah.
[12:41] Keith: Yeah. I wonder if I mean, certainly I think the opposite is true. So if if a woman is less interested in me, I have a tendency to find that person more compelling. Um,
[12:42] Keith: so maybe that's
[12:46] Mike: that's the same. Now you're saying the same thing. The point is that, like a
[13:04] Mike: plus of availability makes less interesting. I like that. I mean, I think that's where you get like the MILF mean a little bit like you have these women who are a little bit past their prime age wise, and their sex drive goes up ostensibly, but I don't think it really their natural sex drive. I don't think has gone up. I think it's just like their access has gone down. And so,
[13:06] Mike: yeah, I mean, what do you want? Like they sort of think about him
[13:09] Keith: or worse, with hunger phenomenon. Yeah. Okay. Well, all right. So
[13:11] Mike: our cougar, That's right. We're not MILF. Yeah.
[13:24] Keith: Um, well, it's It's they're related. Cougars, right word. Um, let's say okay, but given everything else being equal there, so it's, you know, same same woman, you know, same same access. Um,
[13:42] Keith: is there some, like it makes sense that there's a chemical thing during ovulation that makes you more horny. Is there? Is there something that makes you less horny? Otherwise, I mean, I guess there's a lot of sort of, like hormones and chemical things going on here, So hiding in the air is yes, to some extent and the extent various. But
[13:56] Mike: I think the baseline level for a normally attractive sort of normally young woman is significantly lower than the equipment for a man. I think it's obvious just given our culture, obviously they're different. I mean, you just meeting you to just look at what happens in our society. And you can tell that's true.
[14:07] Mike: Obviously, they're gonna be Women are exceptions for various reasons. Um, and then, yeah, there's some cycle. But the thing is, the cycle like, I mean, you'll see a lot of women on the sex subreddit who clean that
[14:11] Mike: they get really aroused during their period during their period,
[14:14] Mike: huh? Which I've actually never encountered before. But, I mean,
[14:24] Keith: that would be my expectation, I think maybe, maybe. Okay. Ah, lot of men are not interested in women when they're on their period, so maybe it's a decline in interest. That and
[14:27] Keith: yeah, specifically increases their That's desire. That's
[14:44] Mike: a fantastic theory. I love that theory. Yeah, I kind of doubt it because I think that like I do, too, but more of that short term focus should be like, Well, but in five days or whatever 10 days, I'm gonna get all the sex I want. And so she can't really? She stat horny for those few days. My thought is that's gotta be hormonal, but it's a nice theory.
[14:59] Keith: Um, the reason why I wanted to bring this up is like you could imagine if you're dating around that, the best time to go on a date with someone would be, you know, at the beginning of population or something. And I'm wondering if there's a commensurate worst time.
[15:01] Mike: Well, that depends. If you're a chat or not, doesn't make you
[15:03] Mike: You know what a chat is. I
[15:06] Keith: don't know what you don't know. What if Chad is? I'm so you
[15:08] Mike: kind of are a chat A little. But Chad, actually, as
[15:10] Keith: I What's that?
[15:13] Keith: Thank you May be a match. Your big
[15:13] Keith: You
[15:19] Mike: have to be up on the of course. This community got banned from Reddit, but the involuntary celibate
[15:37] Mike: communities in cell and, um, they So actually, you stop being a chad. You age out at 30 on after 30 and this is what you really are. But from age from age, say, 15 to 30. A chad is like a hyper attractive guy. See, in the top 5% of attractiveness. And there would be that, you know,
[15:39] Mike: this is Well, there's, um there's, um
[16:02] Mike: there's there's stuff to back this up. Such an argument. Whatever. Like that. You know those air. Really? If a woman is gonna be physically attracted to a man that's totally attracted to because once you're below 95% it's just men just aren't that attractive like they don't have the same sort of attractiveness as women do on. Then after age 30 just so you know, then you get become something. And I recently learned the term for this called a beta bucks
[16:07] Mike: the U ex. Yes, this is basically a person who was a beta who was
[16:14] Mike: I don't agree with all of that stuff, things like now we're getting into, like in cell theory, I should say, like
[16:44] Mike: actually, I want t o. I don't have a disclaimer here about the whole insulting I get on it. I don't really I think it's interesting. The taxonomy zehr great. So after 30 become a beta boxer because, uh, then so so the chads were the sort of Alfa guys that the women want to be with, but starting at age 30 women sort of shift because they're really potential in under. Under the theory that really focused on having a kid because they move over to looking for a guy who might have been a more beta guy when he was younger, but now is a bunch of money,
[16:55] Mike: right? And so then that it's the top 5% on that axis, which totally swings to a different type of person. And attractiveness probably plays a role to like If you're really unattractive or overweight or something as a man,
[17:00] Keith: you're probably not gonna course be obeyed the primary. The primary access of interest changes
[17:12] Mike: right in the point. But in the key thing here is this notion that, like there's a very narrow set of men, that women are by a large attracted to on these superficial grounds in the same way that men are attracted like any attractive woman.
[17:20] Mike: It's a kind of analogous. Ah, and so there's a small set of guys you do really, really well. And then there's this huge mass of men who basically, like, can't have sex.
[17:24] Mike: That's sort of like that's That's fundamentally, that's why they're involuntarily celibate,
[17:26] Mike: right? Um
[17:28] Mike: e I forgot why I brought this up. Actually,
[17:33] Keith: I don't know. I was asking if there's a bad time to go on. Oh, yes.
[17:33] Keith: Oh,
[17:51] Mike: yes. Oh, there is some. This is actually true. There is research that shows that during their time of ovulation, women are more likely to find kind of more chad like men. Kind of more muscular, kind of more angular, face more attractive. And the year they have a way to do this with, um,
[17:59] Mike: have them look at pictures and decide who they think is more attractive. Whereas when they're not ovulating, they're more likely to find a more beta looking quote unquote
[18:13] Mike: a man attractive and so, actually, to your point, if you're gonna go on dates, actually, it's a little bit more complex than that. If you if you're if you're yes. If you're an Alfa guy, really? Honestly, you should just go to a bar because they'll probably be some women. They're ovulating there. And here you
[18:14] Keith: go from out of four chance or whatever,
[18:30] Mike: you're great. But if But if you're not, you actually should avoid ovulation. Because what you want is that month to establish a relationship and then, you know, and then she can overcome this biological tendency and have sex with you as a not Alfa guy, right? So, actually, I think calculation might be your first time.
[18:34] Keith: I think this is significantly more complicated than I was,
[18:59] Keith: um I feel like Chad might be a term. That is because I was at a Oh, yeah, I was at a party on Saturday, and this person who is hosting had these things that you could put on your wine, like hang on your wine glass so that you could know which one is which. And they were all, like, men in Speedos. They were, like, you know, maybe, like a an inch taller, whatever. And you get attached to their glasses. So my nails, different names, and there was, like, a little bit of a fight over who got the chat one.
[19:00] Keith: And I didn't really know what was going
[19:04] Mike: on in here, and the men wanted to be Chad.
[19:08] Mike: That's great. That's like in reservoir dogs when they all want to be Mr Black.
[19:16] Keith: Yeah, I was not. I was not privy to the to the joke there. And so I got I got Steve or something, and I feel pretty good about it. They didn't have a key.
[19:19] Keith: No, they didn't. He That's not sexy,
[19:24] Mike: actually. No, no, no. Just so you know, actually, Keith is viewed as a name like Chad
[19:28] Mike: in the insult Oh, yeah. Keith, Keith is viewed is like a very like kind of
[19:34] Mike: Alfa Al Qaeda drag name, Just so you know. So if you run into an inn cell, he might immediately start
[19:36] Keith: e help. You have. Really? What's to shake? My hand?
[19:41] Mike: Just might know you'd be triggered. He'd be triggered because the in cells hate Chad's. And Keith?
[19:42] Mike: Yeah.
[19:55] Keith: Yeah. Oh, well, okay. Yeah. So bad for them. Um, okay, let's let's move on. Here. So, uh, this is gonna seem like I'm going one way, and then by the end, I'm gonna go another way, but all right, so this is, um,
[20:10] Keith: this guy and right, It says some girls really do tell their friends about their sex lives. I, 32 male have been dating this amazing girl 31 year old female for five months. It's embarrassing to admit, but I have a micro Penis is just shy of three inches when hard, which I believe is the cutoff for micro Penis.
[20:13] Mike: I'm not up on that
[20:15] Mike: literature,
[20:24] Keith: but yeah, I believe that. Is that the cut off? My self esteem and confidence related to my Penis have really impacted my dating life and My current girlfriend is only the second sexual partner I've ever had.
[20:34] Keith: You're dating a couple of weeks. I told her I wanted to take it slow. She agreed last week I told her I had a small Penis, and that's why I wanted to take it slow. She told me she didn't care about the size of my Penis, but we'll go with whatever pays him comfortable that
[20:51] Keith: on the weekend we had sex for the first time, I went down on her until she came. Then she gave me a bit of a blow job and told me she wanted to ride me. So I laid down and she did. She alternated between writing me and just grinding on me. She seemed to really enjoy the grinding. I really, really liked it, too, and came the next morning. I was in the shower when it came out. She was on the phone with her best friend.
[20:54] Keith: I have. I've met her,
[21:00] Keith: Uh, and they were talking about sex. My heart sank. I was just waiting for to tell a friend about how small I am.
[21:28] Keith: That didn't happen. She told her that we finally had sex. She used the word amazing to describe it. She told her I was amazing at Orel and said, And you know how I feel about Orel? She also told me how she feels about the world and that it's really important to her. She also told her friend was the first time she had an orgasm during a first time. Not once did she mention my small size. She didn't give away any real intimate details, just told her friend how much he enjoyed. It was always scared that any girl I dated would share my friends, which would share with her friends my lack of damn it. But I guess I didn't have to
[21:34] Keith: some girls to talk. But that's okay. All right, so two things here the first is,
[21:41] Keith: uh, size does not completely matter. And it is possible that this girl, like, enjoyed the sexual experience, and
[21:44] Keith: it was so on. But,
[21:48] Keith: I mean, she's definitely gonna tell her friend that that guy has micro Penis.
[21:50] Keith: Not definitely, I think, highly likely
[21:54] Mike: know she might not, because, like, she, she is sort of in on the
[22:00] Mike: like. It's now part of hurt in the sense that, like it reflects poorly. Yeah, well, maybe poorly, but I mean the point.
[22:02] Keith: Is that right? Yeah.
[22:02] Keith: I
[22:17] Mike: mean, I think and I think there's an important distinction here between like, a like, kind of within the error bars. Penis like small, but micro Penis is, like, another thing entirely, right? I mean, so it does depend, like, I mean, house how small he is, but Okay.
[22:18] Keith: Right.
[22:28] Keith: Yeah. I did some reading around this, and, yeah, you're not supposed to shame people for for their Penis size, because that would be the shame. Same is shaming a girl for breast size, which Okay, fine. But
[22:40] Mike: no. No, it's not. It's not the same at all. Because if you have a micro Penis like a woman with small breasts, like in breast feed, a kid or whatever, everything works like a micro Penis, like there's actually an experience.
[22:49] Mike: Okay. Okay. You could say Well, functional. Different. You could say, Well, I want to build a titty. Fuck. Okay, fine. Like there's things, but but but there's, like, a pretty normal female desire to like
[22:59] Mike: I've never experienced it being male, But it makes sense to me intellectually that there's a female desire to have like a relatively large thing inside you that the guy's thrusting
[23:02] Mike: normally large, like Not so, Yeah, so
[23:04] Keith: it's big like it starts. I'm just
[23:12] Mike: like So I'm taking micro Micro to mean like it's small enough that, like, actually, you don't get that sensation. That's how I'm like taking micro Penis to me.
[23:23] Mike: And so I think, like it would be reasonable for a woman to actually be disappointed. And I think that, like, I think it's likely, although not certain, that a woman would eventually kind of I feel like she was missing out on something
[23:26] Mike: realistically with a micro Penis guy.
[23:30] Keith: I think so, too. And that's unfortunate, cause it's not his fault, right? Like it's
[23:30] Mike: well, I mean,
[23:42] Keith: it's just started calling me his body. Well, I mean, you know, there's like, these rumors when you're a teenager, like if you masturbate too much, your Penis won't grow like I don't think any of that's true. Is there anything you can do to, like, help your endowment? No.
[23:49] Keith: Yeah, I don't think so. Eh? So, yeah. I mean, it's officially not its fault, and it sucks that he has this,
[23:50] Keith: But
[23:59] Keith: mostly I just think that? Yeah. I mean, I think I think some women would not talk about their sex lives if they're embarrassed about it. But
[24:11] Keith: I think the I think unfortunately for this guy, it's probable that unless they end up getting married, or unless she's like, really sort of private about her sex life that, like it's gonna come up at some point his Penis size will with her friends. I
[24:17] Mike: also think that, like he's gonna be worried about her finding another guy with a bigger Penis like it Z, This is going to be like an ongoing
[24:22] Mike: issue for him. Like, I don't think I don't think there's like a really nice end to this story.
[24:23] Mike: Um,
[24:28] Keith: definitely, like having a micro Penis would suck. Like I it's I don't know how
[24:28] Keith: to be
[24:34] Mike: actually the most notable part of the story and the part that, like rings a little false. Honestly, is this thing of like
[24:36] Mike: So
[24:41] Mike: I mean, I guess girls call each other on the phone and, like, you know how I feel about Laurel
[24:55] Mike: like it just doesn't feel like a thing. I mean, I I think I know that, like, uh, there's this social mean that, like women? Oh, they talk about everything. I actually think they don't. I don't think women sit around too much talking about. They just don't care that much about sex. It doesn't. You know, I
[24:55] Keith: guess if it's
[25:05] Mike: a problem, they might say, Well, why'd you break up with him? Oh, well, he wouldn't do this thing. Okay, fine, that, But But this thing where it's like that, it's gonna be like topic number 27 in there.
[25:13] Keith: But I think they want their friends to think that the partner there with is a stud like it doesn't benefit them in any way if
[25:14] Keith: they're friends. I only think that
[25:23] Mike: I don't agree with you. I don't think they even care about that. That's the point. Like it doesn't when When you say stud like, I think that in most females minds, that means like, generous,
[25:30] Mike: willing to spend time with her. Ah, would be a good father. There's all these things, but like that, he's able to, you know,
[25:35] Mike: do a good job during sex. I just don't. I think most women to be like Oh, yeah, that's true.
[25:45] Mike: Like in other words, it wouldn't they wouldn't even. It's like I told you once and you disagree with me on this? I told you that. Like I suspect that if you asked a woman that you were dating,
[25:52] Mike: uh, what she thought like what she thought about when she thought of her own breasts like the first thing she would think of is breast feeding babies
[26:03] Mike: like that. In other words, that, like for a woman, that's the thing they think of when they think of the breasts. Maybe breast cancer, too. But like the sexual component of it is like a tertiary, I think, in their minds typically.
[26:07] Mike: And I think it's, you know, it's just not It's like, yeah, you know?
[26:14] Mike: Yeah. I mean, I just you know, the fact that they had sex? Sure. I mean, that that's relevant. But like the details, I don't I don't know. I just think they don't care.
[26:19] Keith: Yeah, you might be right here. I mean, I think there's like a
[26:23] Keith: There's a couple aspects to this, like I think society is
[26:42] Keith: encouraging women and, you know, a lot of women who are more in our age demo to be more sex forward and sex positive, and they might even feel pressure to talk about and think about sex more than they otherwise might. But yeah, baseline, you're probably You're probably right that, um
[26:48] Keith: yeah, like calling to boast about the quality or whatever is not like
[26:51] Mike: Amy Schumer would do that in a movie or something, but like, I don't
[26:58] Keith: sure. But, I mean, that's exactly what I'm saying. Like it's Yeah, this is the way that, like, sort of pop culture is,
[27:04] Keith: uh, you know, projecting that women should should behave and think about sex is maybe different. Unlike what their natural
[27:19] Mike: pop culture thinks. That women have been historically repressed about this. And so it's like, Oh, they should be encouraged to stop being repressed. What I think is that they don't care is that they were a past. They just weren't. I mean, maybe they were a little repressed. Blame over the most part is not that important.
[27:37] Mike: It's ah, what? A one woman told me that her sex is a commodity just like it. Just it. Just like of course, you know, if I'm dating a guy, of course we're gonna have sex like this is a matter. Now. If the guys on my crew. Agnes. That's old. Different, maybe, but Lena, if he's not, he's, like, got something wrong with him. But for the most part, Yeah, she cares way, Maura. About, like what restaurant he takes her to.
[27:40] Mike: Um, you know, was it the
[27:43] Mike: There was a Seinfeld seen related to that, but I don't want to bring it up. Take too long.
[28:01] Keith: Okay. All right, let's move on. Um, I can't remember. Oh, I remember. Okay, Uh, this this guy says he won't use a condom with May. I met this guy and he word for word. Message me while we were having a convo quote, you know, straight up, you the type of girl I would use no condom with,
[28:08] Keith: Like, Is this supposed to be a compliment, or is he just a weirdo? Fuck boy says, setting aside the deplorable grammar and, like, just general, well,
[28:14] Mike: you know, I can't set that aside like that was Yeah, you the kind of it's like so she definitely doesn't want to get him cause he's a loser. But all right.
[28:20] Keith: Yeah, it's This is problematic. Is it possible to visually inspect for a studies?
[28:25] Mike: No. Although, although, uh,
[28:27] Mike: prostitutes do I
[28:37] Mike: have not have not gone to a prostitute, but I'm given to understand. Like, for example, at the legal brothels. But I actually would be great once
[28:39] Keith: you're famous. One outside of Vegas. The Bunny Ranch.
[28:47] Mike: Well, there's one. There's some outside of Reno. Carson City. Yeah, there's some outside of Vegas. They have to be in less populated counties. I'm
[28:49] Mike: no that not because I went to one
[28:52] Keith: one like there's a bunch like right on the border of Las Vegas County is minders.
[28:57] Mike: Whatever. It's Ah, it's not. It's called some other name. The county has a different name than that, but yeah,
[28:58] Mike: um
[29:01] Keith: may become a Karen, and I have that way. Go on. But,
[29:10] Mike: uh, anyway and I would actually I've kind of always wanted. You don't have to hire a prostitute. You could just go sit at the bar. And I mean, I've never made it inside. If that's too gross for me, just even
[29:14] Keith: and what you did, What's what's it?
[29:16] Keith: You can sit at the bar and
[29:34] Mike: you can sit at the bar and just talk to them. You do not have to have sex by law in Nevada, you have. They have to let you basically hang out at the brothel and not by sex like they can't is just stopped being pressured to much anyway, you can. I mean, we won could actually go and just hang out and just see what goes on there. In any event,
[29:56] Mike: uh, I know from someone seeing the show Cat house, which is about one of those brothels. Although the guy who on the brothel just died, So who knows what? They're gonna shut it down. Ah, the yes, they visually inspect your cock. Look, I mean, so it's probably the kind of thing we're like. It is, If it doesn't, you can show that you have one. Like, in other words, it's it's it can't show that you don't. But it could show that you D'oh! Right.
[30:02] Keith: Okay, yes. So some obvious want crabs. I think they can see, right.
[30:02] Mike: I mean, you
[30:04] Keith: know, are they not big enough?
[30:10] Mike: Well, crabs, isn't that interesting, right? I mean, I think you just kill them. So it's not like that bad of an STD, but you're okay. Go on.
[30:15] Keith: Um, I don't think that I mean, I don't mean they're looking for their
[30:19] Keith: first orders. We don't want to be dispensing medical advice here. It all looking for
[30:23] Mike: the babies. Okay, that's what they're looking for. Yeah, yeah,
[30:29] Mike: yeah. You know, and like, the issue is that, like, you don't necessarily symptomatic, so
[30:30] Mike: yeah,
[30:40] Keith: but if you're not symptomatic that, can you pass it on, like, Yes, it is. Okay. It's blood Born. Well, no, it's, uh, getting you sharing needles, someone to therapies. Do you get herpes?
[30:55] Mike: I don't know The answer that I don't think so. I think that I think that, like the I think that it's in the sort of region of contamination. The reason I think I can't remember you can have ah, shit on your lip and on your genitals. And then ours is the same virus. I think it might not be so. It's complicated. Right?
[31:00] Mike: Um, the best way to avoid this is just not to, like have tons and tons of partners.
[31:09] Mike: But I know my impression of this gang's question was actually that he wanted to take the condom off to take that risk of getting her pregnant
[31:11] Keith: runny.
[31:13] Keith: I mean,
[31:19] Keith: I think most people agree that sex without a condom feels better. I'm guessing that's his primary motive here.
[31:27] Mike: Well, okay, but okay, so you're saying he feels safe enough? Okay, that's just not the interpretation I had. It was it was a way of him saying, like,
[31:31] Mike: I'm thinking of having a baby with you
[31:34] Mike: Like he's trying to like Turner on by saying something like that.
[31:36] Mike: Yeah, I would feel better for him, But that's what you
[31:43] Keith: think that I think that could be a strategy that someone would use. I do not think that this guy has tthe e
[31:45] Keith: intellectual chops to be. I don't
[31:58] Mike: think that's intellectual like I was talking to someone about this yesterday. Actually, the question of like, you know what's going through, like when you have teen pregnancy, like what's going on there? I think a lot of the time, like it's not.
[32:11] Mike: It's not that it's not intentional. That's not the right way of saying it's It's kind of a misguided romantic notion that maybe both partners have that like, Oh, wouldn't it be cool if we had a baby and like because for pin around a baby,
[32:18] Mike: Yeah, no, it would not be cool, certainly for them, but I don't like I think whereas I think that the situation we're like
[32:25] Mike: the condom breaks or like you know, something that's where it's truly a surprise is more rare and more likely to result in abortion, too.
[32:29] Keith: That's actually a really interesting question. Like what percentage of teen pregnancies are intended?
[32:30] Mike: Well, but you understand?
[32:32] Keith: Are you saying let's have more than 100
[32:41] Mike: men you're dealing with, like not adults. So, like, it's like that it comes not only things like consent. It's like, Did you consent to have this baby like? No, because they're an idiot like their teenage.
[32:48] Keith: Did you consent to have unprotected sex? Like what? Yeah, you stupid personality is hard to know. Yeah, I also like, I mean, honestly, like, just the
[32:52] Mike: notion that this this this fucking thing you do
[32:59] Mike: produces a child is just kind of weird. It's kind of this but biologically farfetched thing. So, like, I remember,
[33:12] Mike: uh, when I was younger, just like I don't I don't believe I can do that. Like, I don't know. It just it seems so far fetched to me. Uh and then then like it. You know that this function of education
[33:21] Mike: Yeah, but it seemed like it seemed impossible that I was like What? Like I don't I don't know. So I just think people that could be a little bit misguided about that.
[33:24] Keith: Mmm. Yeah. Okay. I guess so. I just
[33:34] Mike: grown up activity having a kid. So if you're 16 you're like, Well, really? Really. Can I make a kid? Just seems strange. Maybe it's less strange to women because they have their period.
[33:35] Mike: So it seems like, Oh, this is
[33:37] Keith: like, Oh, there's this physical thing that's going on,
[33:44] Mike: you know? I mean, if it was before, So I have been educated at all, they're like, Oh, this is because I didn't get pregnant. Whereas for a guy, it's just You're
[33:46] Mike: just Nutting
[33:50] Mike: looks in the, you know, it's in the night.
[33:53] Keith: Okay. Next topic. Um
[34:19] Keith: okay. Um, tongue is sore from eating out girlfriend. So I 25 male have a dilemma related to going down on my girlfriend. 22 female. She's like a lot of women I've met who have expressed that they could only get off when a guy goes down on them because I'm the kind of guy who can't get off unless she does. And she does taste pretty good. I'm more than happy to oblige. That's most of the time we start sex by me eating her out. The problem is, I do this every time before we have sex, which is every day, sometimes multiple times a day.
[34:39] Keith: I put my heart and soul into it when I do it, and it could last anywhere between 20 and 30 minutes of continuous work. As a result, my tongue has started to get sore as a result of the rigor and vigor that I put into it. It's kind of similar to how I feel when I go to the gym and wear out my muscles there. I really want to please my girl, but I don't want to walk around every day with my mouth uncomfortable.
[34:42] Keith: Any tips I can alleviate, the sort of So
[34:49] Mike: So they're having sex two or three times a day, and he's doing this for 30 minutes each time. And then you also goes to the gym.
[34:55] Keith: This was a math problem. Just what is it? You go to school, get a job like what the fuck Like what is this guy doing
[34:57] Mike: all day? Like I mean I mean That's great.
[35:05] Mike: But I mean, like, I mean, look, I could totally get into, like, a one weekend when you do that, but But after, like, three or four days, I mean, have
[35:05] Keith: you ever been
[35:10] Mike: in a relationship where you had sex multiple times a day for, like, a longer than
[35:11] Keith: extended? Yeah. Like so.
[35:15] Mike: Like so in week, three of the relation for weeks, six. You're still doing that?
[35:15] Mike: No. Yeah. I
[35:17] Keith: mean, I think it boring. It's
[35:33] Mike: a as a guy like, your body is set up so that first nut feels better. And really, it even feels better. Maybe if you wait a day or two between nuts. So, like, what do you been getting out of it? Like so And so I'll actually say, like, is a man. I remember
[35:35] Mike: when I was much younger,
[35:43] Mike: young women wanting to sort of, like, spend all day together like that. And I always felt like I was sort of losing if that happened, because it's like I don't I don't want to do that. I don't want to, like,
[35:51] Mike: just lie around with you all day, like I want to just get my nut and then go do some stuff. I think you'd feel differently about that. So I So I felt I
[36:02] Keith: actually don't And I do find that I am occasionally coerced into two situations where people want Do you want to do that? And it is a little bit annoying, and it's it's strange because I mean, it's not like
[36:19] Keith: you're right. The first out is better, but it's not like subsequent ones are necessarily undesirable. It's just that it doesn't require some effort and some, but also you're just sitting there all day. It's like, Yeah, no, it is a waste of a day for humor and that I mean that that particular brothers Because, you know, I like running every day, and if
[36:26] Mike: enough and if and if instead this guys spacing them out throughout the day, then I'd be like, Well, there's some hygiene issues, right? It's like, OK and
[36:28] Keith: also gives you showering every time. Yeah,
[36:35] Mike: and also, like I mean, I know from occasionally visiting campsites. Occasionally,
[36:50] Mike: then, are the women on there like this will say that like they get sore after, like maybe doing a cam show for like a now er or something like, you know, they're jamming things up there, vagina again and again. Well, so what's going on here? Like I mean, this is ours
[36:51] Mike: anyway.
[37:05] Keith: Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, yeah, there's some other issues to like, You know, if he's not wearing a condom than he's going down in an area where there's semen, which is I guess some people are probably I mean, I'm not comfortable with that. I think it's kind of gross. Um,
[37:11] Mike: you you feel, like 48 or 72 hours later, I forgot you have some time range that cleans it out, right?
[37:15] Keith: I feel like a shower in 24 hours is
[37:21] Keith: not perfect, but good enough. Like I'd be willing to go on down on somebody again after that That I didn't know this
[37:28] Mike: about you. So, basically, if let's say that, um, you still spend the night with a young lady,
[37:38] Mike: and the following morning you have sex and you ejaculated in her body. Uh, then the then that evening, you're supposed to get out of date. You will actually remember that.
[37:38] Mike: And not
[37:41] Keith: before
[37:42] Keith: I'm not.
[37:45] Keith: Yeah, you're right. That is a little bit onerous for the girl. For
[37:50] Mike: the girl. I was thinking remembering it would be owners for you, but I use it your thing, his owners because
[38:03] Keith: no, I don't know what you have in years, I guess. I don't know. I mean, I guess I've done that, and I get You're right. Maybe that's only 18 hours or whatever. I don't know.
[38:07] Keith: I don't know. I don't want to think about it. That my Okay,
[38:12] Keith: Um well, I mean, look, hyperbole aside here. Ah,
[38:17] Mike: I actually think the bigger issues if used a condom, by the way, because the condom smell.
[38:23] Keith: But I need you to do that. You don't like the latex and like and like, whatever the synthetic lubricant, often spermicidal that
[38:28] Mike: stuff, like, way longer than any sort of biological compound, I think.
[38:30] Keith: Right.
[38:31] Keith: Um,
[38:37] Keith: my favorite comment on Reddit to this is this dude is going to destroy some ice cream. Comes
[38:40] Keith: pretty funny
[38:45] Keith: anyway. All right. Uh, next one, here. Uh, why did I
[38:48] Keith: bring this one up?
[38:51] Keith: Oh, it's too bad this one was deleted. This was, um
[38:53] Keith: ah, the
[39:04] Keith: Esso big problem with using the sex subreddit is sometimes somebody will post something that's that's pretty compelling and spurs a lot of discussion. But then, like they get embarrassed, so they end up believing it.
[39:18] Keith: So anyway, all I can see, it's the subject. And it was friends with friends with benefits. 19 year old male keeps saying, I'm who's a 19 year old female to loose during sex, and I vaguely remember what the what the complaint here was.
[39:19] Mike: Well, it's pretty obvious from the title years. Gay?
[39:24] Keith: Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, he was He was just Well,
[39:36] Keith: he liked he preferred anal. And so I think he was your first. He was being an asshole, but like suggesting that her vagina was to lose seven second. He was trying to get at her angel. That's
[39:42] Mike: the thing about anal. Is that, uh, as anybody who's ever taken a gigantic shit knows, Like, your butthole relaxes,
[39:44] Mike: right? And so
[39:54] Mike: and so after a little while of anal like, it gets pretty loose. So I don't unless he's like doing some sandpaper. Anil, there were, you know, just know, Lou, But all like, I think
[39:58] Mike: I don't That doesn't make sense.
[39:58] Mike: I
[40:03] Keith: don't I can't really comment. Is that I think. Okay, so sandpaper know our
[40:06] Mike: term I made up to troll people online. No,
[40:08] Keith: that's not really
[40:15] Keith: does. Like for every for every minute of anal sex does does the Does the friction created decrease?
[40:23] Mike: Yeah, absolutely. Ah, In fact, I was gonna I'll bring this up. I was watching a porn on the other day, which was, um
[40:32] Mike: it's actually pretty hard. I don't really seek out borns like this at all. I don't. But it's an unusual porn to see. It was a male male female threesome
[40:35] Mike: where the two men were fucking
[40:44] Mike: and, ah, the guy in the back seat, as it were actual started commenting in the born. Then he's like, Yeah, this is just too loose.
[40:52] Mike: Yeah, I don't know. I was skipping through, so I don't remember. And the woman was just sort of in front. Ah ah, Whatever
[40:57] Mike: the guy gets, the middle guy was giving oral to the woman in front. So and he
[40:59] Keith: just hey, just outright told her this is
[41:06] Mike: too no, not her, because because he was he was having anal sex with the man in the middle. I said,
[41:10] Mike: Yeah, there was like, and they then had a chuckle about it, which I found.
[41:19] Mike: I guess I'm just too puritanical to have, Like, people laugh about something. You have done something silly happened in mm F three. Somewhere there's gay. Set
[41:26] Mike: your affection like that. I click away shortly afterward. I was like this. They have normalized it too much for me. This needs to be
[41:28] Keith: right.
[41:30] Keith: They're having a better discussion during this.
[41:36] Mike: Look, I've had the same experience like that. Yes, it definitely. I mean, you know, Yeah. Relaxes
[41:44] Mike: And ah, you mean that's why. Look, that's why you have things like deep gay porn, right? How does the butt hole gaped like that? Because it's been
[41:50] Keith: Yeah, I thought it was because they, like, kept putting in wider and wider things
[41:54] Mike: to get it to really gape huge. Yeah, but no, I don't think so. I think if you just
[41:56] Mike: Yeah, if you just
[42:16] Mike: do anal sex for a while. This is why. Anyway, this is like a complete tangent to let the guys saying, I just think like the notion that and I said, it's possible you're misremembering. Although it's the sex, right, it's who knows. But like the guy, you know, I mean, like, the actual reaction I have to a guy saying a woman's a 19 year old girl is too loose is that his Penis is small.
[42:17] Keith: Could be
[42:42] Keith: it could be a difference. I do think there's so That's what a bunch of people in the comments said. I do think that there is Okay, sorry. There's so much I wanna unpack your first. I do think there are differences in perceived looseness based on lubrication generated. So in other words, I think some girls generate more lubrication than others. I think that during the act of having sex, like the amount of lubrication available can increase or decrease. And so
[42:46] Keith: there could be different perceptions of looseness as a result of notice that
[42:50] Mike: I have you Have you had a situation where you're with a woman and like
[42:59] Mike: you say or do or there's something that happens, and then you are able to tell that the lubrication went up significantly Say, within the next 30 seconds, I'm asking I have had that experience.
[43:02] Keith: Yes, I have a single and s.
[43:03] Keith: Yeah, it's consistent
[43:10] Mike: to do it right. You can like there's a thing you know you can do, which will increase its almost like a There's, like a button you can push you like I need more lube.
[43:12] Mike: Can you give an example? It wasn't Example with king
[43:15] Keith: of the hand merchant bottle. And you, like, press down for a couple of
[43:17] Mike: what's an example of a thing that you've I
[43:20] Keith: don't know why. I'm not sure I can do it at will.
[43:27] Keith: But, you know, you've you've had other. You've had a longer term partner.
[43:31] Keith: Maybe these are like, you know, one of the things that you develop. Yeah,
[43:33] Keith: intuition for overtime.
[43:34] Keith: Um,
[43:40] Keith: but okay, you wait. There is a second thing. So the first thing was, ah, lubrication to change. Increase. I think
[43:46] Mike: I think the death grip is a big thing, right? The guy who masturbates with this with his hand a little too tight. Yeah,
[43:48] Keith: really? I mean, it was
[43:50] Mike: hard for you to understand, because you do that Well,
[43:52] Keith: you know, it's hard to understand,
[43:53] Keith: like if you're
[44:04] Mike: somebody who's using their hand. By the way, I talked to another circumcised fellow who actually claims to have a pretty tight circumcision like it's the claims that the hand works fine with no lube, So I Maybe you guys could have. Look,
[44:07] Keith: I tried to talk to him. I'd like to talk to him.
[44:07] Mike: Maybe you
[44:14] Keith: could. That's e I'm not I mean, I'm not making this up. I mean, it's possible that, like, you know, I'm 38 years old. It's possible that
[44:17] Keith: my whole life I've been
[44:25] Keith: Yeah, like I don't know the technique, You know how, like, you know, most people that their dad teaches them how to shave at some point. Like maybe there was, like, some some lesson I missed, but I don't think so.
[44:27] Mike: I just
[44:36] Mike: Maybe your hands are rougher. I don't know, like the whole thing's so opaque to me, but like it sze there definitely dudes, they could do that. But the point is that, like, with this guy like, yeah, I mean, if you're
[44:40] Mike: if you really ah used to kind of
[44:42] Mike: tight white knuckling it Is this
[44:45] Mike: tha ne Then you're gonna
[44:49] Mike: be hard for a woman to keep up with that, right?
[44:50] Keith: I mean,
[44:53] Keith: I just feel like vaginas air so much more
[44:55] Keith: inviting or something. Yeah,
[44:59] Mike: but you can desensitize like a few. I mean, right. Like if you Ah,
[45:10] Mike: yeah. If you're If you're just used to, like a really, really rough thing than, like something that's a little looser, it's just not okay, Let me put this way. Have you never been with a woman who, like, went to light of a touch on your Penis?
[45:20] Mike: Yes. Okay. And whether with her mouth or with her hand, And I have to like, like, to the point where, like, you're like, I'm not actually gonna be able to get an orgasm here like I gotta help us along and like, it's just like that Her, You know,
[45:29] Keith: I just feel like I feel like there's a big band in the middle between too much and too little and like the majority of the band, is that much And
[45:40] Keith: like applying too much to the point where, like, you're now desensitized to like a vagina, like I don't know, it's hard to I mean, I know this is like a mean, like death grip is a is a thing.
[45:41] Mike: Well, you should try a
[45:43] Keith: definite Maybe I'm too gentle, like I
[45:51] Mike: don't know. I think that your your your your the fact that you basically have these weird techniques to me weird to me unusual.
[45:52] Keith: Like I don't do the sleeping.
[45:54] Mike: Don't you know you don't?
[46:12] Mike: But you have techniques that sort of relate to that. Like you're not s so it's sort of it sort of pushes you over into a direction that's gonna be a little less death groupie. Uh, yeah, it's almost stumbles over here like, Yeah, we get like, a zombie grabbing, choking the chicken, as they say. Yeah, yeah,
[46:16] Keith: yeah. I mean, it would be interesting to know, you know how, like, on Reddit
[46:32] Keith: people post those things with, you know, like data visualizations. It would be interesting to see over, like thousands of men, like how often they masturbates. What? What they're like. I don't know if there's some sort of, like, Fitbit like device that can measure the pressure, applied a number of strokes. That would just be fascinating to see how much diversity
[46:37] Mike: I mean you could on. I know you want to save this for next time that you could simply join a masturbation club
[46:42] Keith: and, uh, and get everybody signed up for our I'll just
[46:49] Mike: go and you can just go and you could just bring a pad of paper and take notes you're like. Look, I'm not here to beat off. I'm here. She'll be
[46:55] Keith: here for science. So I'm gonna every one of you, because I needed to be normalized. Like I can't have different people in Spanish. They have
[46:57] Mike: devices, little
[47:00] Mike: devices, little measure your grip strength so you could
[47:02] Mike: have them do that. So, for
[47:04] Keith: how does it have such a thing work?
[47:07] Mike: Well, it's just, you know, there's, like, exercise things that you push in on.
[47:08] Mike: Uh
[47:14] Keith: 00 sure, but okay. Yeah. It doesn't measure like your average grip strength during masturbation. It's just so you could stronger, Sure, but
[47:19] Mike: no. But you can. You can have a thing that's more of like a cylinder that measures it. And then you just say to the man,
[47:23] Mike: Pretend you're masturbating this cylinder, and I think most men could get within, like, 10%.
[47:35] Keith: I think you're right now I think you're right. Yeah. You get a sense that their offer? Yeah, And if you know, the data was basically everyone's exactly the same then that would sort of support my theory. And if it's and if there's wide for Reid ranges than it would support that, there's
[47:44] Mike: no No, it's dear. There definitely is a wide range because guys that are circumcised do different stuff there. Guys that, like use flashlights are like toys kind of exclusively to avoid Death Grove.
[47:47] Mike: So, you know, I think there and then and then you just
[47:47] Keith: look at a
[47:51] Mike: porn, like on a porn. I've definitely seen porn's if actually a turnoff for me.
[48:04] Mike: I mean, look, having a porn be primarily about a man master being is also turned off. But getting on in there like having a guy there kind of furiously masturbating and then with a really tight grip, I'm like, Jesus,
[48:21] Mike: it's a turnoff to me because I know because I prefer, like, kind of things at least feel more natural. Like I like the porn style That seems like it's just two people, all right, filming each other. And if the guy you know, if they're doing that and then the guy pulls out and he's trying to get us nut and it's just like
[48:22] Keith: he's
[48:26] Keith: gonna listen to a fucking sapphire,
[48:28] Keith: that's not literally that will cause you
[48:31] Mike: to click away from the porn pretty fast like this. Just
[48:32] Keith: disguise
[48:35] Keith: pretty fast. Yeah, Okay. Well, you know, I really don't
[48:40] Mike: like it. I mean, I I'll tolerate it briefly, but it just means that, like, this is not
[48:45] Mike: the hyper protest. The guy who's taken a bunch of Viagra to get the heart on the sea and whatever.
[48:46] Keith: Right?
[48:51] Keith: Okay. Uh, okay. This is Smalling. When it's too much.
[48:54] Keith: My d h absolutist GH mean
[48:59] Mike: in in some performs. It means like dear husband. But I'm not sure if it's I
[49:08] Keith: think that's what it is. I think that's what it is. My, my, my dear husband, absolutely love speeches and being pregnant, which is blowjobs Big pregnant right now
[49:33] Keith: during them or because it's easier than sex. Yes, she's pregnant. Okay, this supports your husband. My question, though, is that he loves to quote, save up for them, usually 5 to 7 to his, and also take supplements to increase sperm production is their weight of more easily swallow it. It's a lot of ah ah, lot is one word. He does this for a and this is a should be. And he does this for an exciting visual show, but it makes me gag a lot
[49:35] Keith: of the time due to the sheer volume.
[49:41] Mike: I mean, there's something again. There's something doesn't make sense here because there's no visual show, like as a man,
[49:41] Mike: you know?
[49:50] Keith: Well, hold on. Let me read you the first comment here. This may inform your response, sir. One guy's opinion having some or a lot leak out because it's too much to handle was a big turn.
[49:51] Mike: Isn't
[49:53] Mike: Do you think that would turn
[49:54] Keith: on?
[49:59] Keith: I don't think I don't know. I don't I don't look for jobs in the first place. Like, yeah.
[50:07] Mike: I mean, like, in and in general. Okay, fine. So you found the loophole in what I was going to say. Like a man have picked. Like they're sort of three
[50:41] Mike: positions you could be in when you're not. If the woman is gonna accept the nut in her mouth, right, you could be have your Penis completely out of her mouth. You can have it. Sort of like the head of the Penis kind of on her tongue. Or you could be all the way in, right? And the final one, which is probably the most common. Ah, there's no show, obviously. Ah, and the other two, there is some kind of a show. The 1st 1 basically being a facial, Right? Because you're not gonna be ableto make sure it all goes in the mouth. Um, you know, So there's that. There's the lack of a show, but the other thing is, like, uh, no guy produces that much semen. Sadly, like, if you measure how much you're producing, it's actually
[50:43] Mike: not that much. And so, you know
[50:45] Keith: Wait. Hold on. Yeah,
[50:52] Keith: let's say the average is one unit. Okay? What do you think the variance there is?
[50:53] Keith: Like, what standards? Or it
[50:55] Mike: could be double that or triple that
[51:00] Mike: I would be willing to. A 10 x No, Andy, Look, here's the place to start,
[51:11] Mike: Okay? You know, much like a cup of water is right. Like, imagine, like just a measuring cup. How much of that cup of water do you think you could fit in your mouth without having to swallow like 1/2 a cup?
[51:13] Mike: Oh, Michael. Pretty.
[51:20] Keith: Let's see. So, a couple eight ounces, which is ah, like, uh, 2/3 of a can of coke earlier. That's gonna have
[51:24] Mike: carbonation. Your semen doesn't have carbonation, But like
[51:25] Mike: I'm just saying, like I
[51:30] Keith: think I think I could get 2/3 of a guy that I couldn't like it. 665 to 6 ounces. And we
[51:38] Mike: could do this. We could do a test. But suffice it to say, like, say, 1/2 to 1/3 to 1/2 of a cup you could comfortably have in your mouth. Okay. Have you ever go home?
[51:49] Mike: We owe her. The Penis is in the mouth too, so you have to, like, stick a Penis. So you should actually try this at home. Keith, you should get a Penis shaped object
[51:50] Keith: my Penis does display. So you could just
[51:53] Mike: put your own Penis erect in a cup of water,
[51:59] Mike: get it all calibrate and then see how much of the remaining water you could fit in your mouth. I just don't think like this is
[52:02] Mike: incredibly in it. You know, I think it's more like a
[52:12] Mike: kind of semen management in her mouth, like it's not that it's actually full. It's like she's having to manage, like the Penis. It's still moving, and this she's just trying to not have it let go everywhere.
[52:23] Keith: I think so, too. Yet you can't get an angle like if you're If you're if you're facing downwards a little bit, it's it's hard, you know, it's like trying to keep water in your mouth When when it's open and you're like chasing down Have you ever
[52:35] Mike: like as a man have you ever tried? Because now that I think about it, I haven't Have you ever tried like putting some water in your mouth and basically putting like a I don't know, a banana in your mouth for me and then swallowing without closing your mouth, cause that's what they have to dio. I've never
[52:38] Keith: I have not tried any. No, I was just out of curiosity,
[52:41] Mike: See? Like what? It must have a station. Interesting. I bet I'm try. I'm gonna try that later.
[52:42] Keith: What's There's nothing
[52:52] Mike: sexual about it. Just a question of like, what is the technique required to swallow semen while the penises in your mouth like it? Actually, now I think about it would be sort of different than just swallowing a you know, a hamburger or whatever.
[52:56] Keith: It's hard because I think a lot of swallowing is like a tongue machination, and you look
[52:59] Mike: like you're mounted. He closed?
[53:00] Mike: Yeah.
[53:03] Mike: Yeah, that reminds me. Actually,
[53:04] Keith: trying it a little bit right now. Yeah.
[53:09] Mike: Have you seen the movie? You probably haven't a recent movie. Eighth grade
[53:15] Mike: I have. Okay, So you remember the scene where the girl ah, is trying giving a blow to a banana?
[53:15] Keith: I do what
[53:22] Mike: I told my life about that. And she said, uh, actually elicited a diatribe from her about like
[53:42] Mike: she has not seen the movie about how obviously was a movie made by a man about, like, what a man ho wishes eighth grade was like for girls. And I had to explain to her No, I don't think that's true. I think it is pretty accurate. Although I was never in eighth grade girls, I don't know. She's like, Look, eighth grade girls don't sit around with bananas trying to practicing, giving blows on them.
[53:51] Mike: Uh, that's just not like me. And I had to explain, like, the contacts in the movies a little bit different than that, but I just thought it was interesting that, like that immediately caused her to be like This is not
[53:55] Mike: anyway. So all these experiments were talking about the things I guess a woman would never D'oh!
[53:56] Keith: Huh?
[54:00] Keith: Yeah, I mean, did you verify that the movie is directed by a man? It is.
[54:27] Mike: It seems it was made by that guy. He's like a YouTube celebrity or whatever, and But I think that there was a lot of it. I do think he tried to be accurate. There were various women saying they felt it was accurate about adolescence. And the reason the girl was practicing a blow on a banana was because she thought she might be able to give a blow to a guy that she wanted to date. Right? So it was not She wasn't just sitting around in her idle time practicing blows. It was orc intensity. Actually, you've seen them, Have, you know that?
[54:33] Keith: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just Yeah. I mean, yeah, she was stressing out about, like, the cute boy that had shown her like a modicum of India. And then
[54:38] Mike: she told him she gave blows to make it more interesting. Just kind of in itself. Kind of said,
[54:43] Keith: Yeah, that movie was he was good. I thought, um,
[54:50] Keith: Okay, uh, this is our final topic of the day. Uh, this is a man whose biggest kink is a full release.
[54:52] Mike: I don't even dok Go ahead.
[54:56] Mike: This is really think you've got this 10 up. It's on
[55:02] Keith: E. I see that. Um, yeah, I mean, it's fairly well composed here
[55:06] Keith: and eat like explains this ticket control post, but sure
[55:11] Keith: I did, too, But I like it. It's It's well written enough, and I think it'll spur some conversation. Okay,
[55:29] Keith: I've never heard anyone talk much about this in any forum, so I thought I'd discuss I discussed, since I've done it before with several lovers for the lack of a better term, I call it a full release. Please don't judge when you hear what it is, because in the right context it has ended up being a lot of fun. Now, frequent listeners of this show is already probably can guess where they're
[55:51] Keith: usually usually a lover, and I will start by playing a trivia game. If the answer is correct, you get a minute of oral sex, which increases with each question you get right. If you miss that, miss a question, you have to do some kind of punishment. In the beginning, the punishments are relatively benign, a spank on the but then on the boobs or pussy, but I've always had one rule in the game. If the girl Mrs three questions in a row, she will have to give me a full release
[56:13] Keith: before really is a long session of oral sex, right where I eventually come in her mouth. But then we will go to the bathroom for the rest. She will kneel in the shower lights off, and I fully release all the contents of my bladder on her face, tits and a little in her mouth when it is done in complete darkness. It is crazy, erotic one girl who was so turned on by the thought that she might have to do that. She even asked for all of it in her mouth and she drink all.
[56:14] Keith: Oh,
[56:20] Keith: I'm almost done here, by the way. For the record, I have never missed three questions in a row.
[56:32] Keith: Do you watch her? Sometimes what it would be like to give a girl a full release because it's civil have agreed to do it for me, probably because of all the girls are like intentionally making sure he doesn't miss three in a row. Thoughts. I'm ready for you to fully release. What's
[56:35] Mike: your third? True? What's my third trivia question, honey?
[56:37] Keith: You know what? Let's see. Oh, yeah,
[56:51] Mike: Yeah. The woman food full release reminds me of the thing on chatter Bait where women pretend and porn nowadays were women pretend to squirt and all it really is. You could just tell. They're just trying to piss. It's just there's pitching.
[56:52] Mike: Um,
[57:03] Keith: yeah, Well, okay. All right. First off s so much to unpack here. Why does the darkness matter? Is he embarrassed about something or what? Maybe we should start with that. I don't
[57:10] Mike: know. I mean, I will say this once. I saw a porn that had this notion of a ah game
[57:19] Mike: and with punishments, and I actually found a kind of hot in the in the porn. The punishments, I think, mostly involved. I think I think the main punishment was anal sex,
[57:36] Mike: pain punishment. And it was actually kind of hot because the women, of course, they're all actresses pretended not to want. It s So there was some kind of role playing. Yeah. Resistance. Yeah. So that's like the game where there's, like, a punishment part like isa Little appealing to me I guess.
[57:40] Keith: Well, then it probably makes him feel more
[57:51] Keith: entitled to it or something. Like Like, if he's a little bit unsure or he feels sort of weird about it when it has, like, the the notion of it being a punishment, it feels more okay. For some reason.
[57:54] Mike: Yeah, I mean,
[58:00] Mike: I mean, he'd obviously have to drink a lot of water before they started,
[58:06] Keith: right? Well, yeah. I mean, there's some other logistical things here. Like, how does he pee immediately after orgasm in, like, sometimes
[58:09] Mike: they go to another room, right? So that, you know, well, I mean,
[58:12] Keith: here's the real thing. This is Look
[58:12] Keith: any time.
[58:23] Mike: Is it okay, people? Any time a man tells you about some sort of complicated, fetishistic sex thing, he does after he ejaculated, he's lying. Okay, Manya,
[58:30] Mike: after the ejaculate, they do not want to do fetishistic things anymore. They're done. They're done with sex.
[58:40] Mike: For the most part, not all manage in general. So yes. So this is it just rings a little bit false. Like, what would really happen is they would go to the bathroom, be like he'd be like, You know what? I'm just gonna be in the top of it,
[58:45] Keith: right? Uh, yes. So what do you think? I mean, does he just wants to demean her? Like, what's going
[58:56] Mike: on? Oh, yes. Oh, setting aside the notion that the story is almost certainly fabricated, You mean, uh, I mean, look, yeah. I mean, he's just like he's just trying to come up some crazy ass look, okay?
[59:24] Mike: I believe that a guy before he ejaculated would have this idea and try to convince a girl to do it. I believe that a girl would be willing to do it. Just she's game for stuff. And she, like, wants to make him happy. And like, she's like, Okay, and, you know, it's fine, like, you know, she doesn't mind his body and stuff like that, but, um, I I'm a little skeptical that it would actually happen. And then why would you do it? Because it's just like a fetishistic thing. Like he's like, I want to do this kind of nasty thing, which seems hot when you're not when you haven't just orgasm.
[59:24] Mike: When you
[59:28] Keith: weren't. Yeah, it seems to me that, like,
[59:35] Keith: Well, yeah, I mean, I'm not really into demeaning by partners like Like it seems like it is.
[59:50] Keith: I don't know that it's hard for me to like. I find a general notion of like respecting a sexual partner. But also, like so many fetish is having to do with various demeaning things. Sort of odd, really. But what
[59:56] Mike: about what about what about a thing like a rape role play where the woman is sort of resisting. You don't find that you find that
[59:59] Keith: on
[60:00] Keith: Ah,
[60:06] Keith: I don't find that odd or even really, I don't find it like a turnoff either. I find the,
[60:16] Keith: uh, juxtaposition of the butt for, like, an arbitrary sexual partner. But for, like, someone that like you, you know, like a like a wife or like a serious girlfriend, it's it seems sort of odd.
[60:20] Keith: Um, like, how are you supposed to,
[60:26] Keith: you know, I care about their opinion on world politics when you're, like, you know, making them swallow your piss right after you.
[60:31] Mike: But how would you How would you do that anyway? With any I mean, like,
[60:44] Mike: yeah. I mean, I remember having this attitude or the sort of feeling that you're describing. I mean, I guess I still I think all men have it on some level. But I remember having and when I was much younger. It's like, how can you take someone seriously that, like you could basically stick a part of your body into,
[60:50] Mike: right. But, I mean, how how is it any different if you're pissing? I mean, you're you're nutting on them in them.
[60:54] Mike: Like if you're still kind of doing these things that are kind of like, you know, kind of
[60:59] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I guess I just feel like there's degrees, but you're right there. They're all across
[61:05] Mike: you could say, Like, how could she take you seriously? You've been willing to, like, stick your tongue right in your butthole,
[61:09] Keith: right? But I agree. I Yeah, I think it's just like, basically, like
[61:09] Keith: were
[61:12] Mike: people. People have to, um,
[61:14] Mike: you know,
[61:35] Mike: compartmentalized, I guess, would be the word. Like these sorts of things. I mean, the thing, the thing is like, I there definitely are people like a lot of stories ring false and so forth. But there definitely are people that in order to orgasm, need some nutty stuff happen, particularly women, I think, because for women, I think orgasm is like requires a little more stimulation. And I think they're definitely women that require some kind of unusual
[61:38] Mike: fetishistic things to really get there.
[61:42] Mike: Um, so then it's like, Well, I mean,
[61:50] Mike: I mean, like, then I though it back off the thing will look, sex at all is kind of weird, right? Like I mean, any of the stuff you're doing is kind of weird was like Well,
[62:00] Mike: yeah, you're just, like added another level weirdness the thing. Anyway, this guy in particular, though, it's like, look like Yet when the actual full release happening in darkness in the bathroom. And
[62:00] Mike: I
[62:01] Keith: guess if
[62:07] Mike: you were really super dominant and you like the idea of, like enslaving someone like maybe But I would still rather be Oh,
[62:08] Keith: you like it.
[62:23] Keith: I feel like it's Yeah, I think we should move past the timing thing here, like maybe he's lying about that or by after he means, like, you know, 20 minutes after or something. So there's possibility of like getting getting like, re engaged. But
[62:29] Keith: yeah, like you're the act of like peeing all over a partner doesn't seem
[62:33] Keith: that arousing to me. But yeah, if you're super disagree
[62:53] Mike: with you. I think that, like if you take sex out of it and you're just then he's just like a real life grief for right. He's like, Look, uh, look at this thing I could I'm doing to you But you're right that there's an issue that then, like, how can they have, like, a really relationship? After that? It's like he's just doing things. He's hurting her. It's like it's like somebody who likes torturing someone else like, Well,
[62:54] Mike: yeah, it's a little weird, right?
[63:05] Keith: Yeah. You pushing the envelope is full of a CZ faras you can with, like, an arbitrary person or, you know, you know, like a prostitute or something is one thing. But
[63:16] Keith: yeah, doing it with someone who seemed to, like, go out to dinner with afterwards. It's kind of weird, like, Hey, you showered right? You still have some urine. I think people like
[63:27] Mike: that like that, Like I actually think I would bucket what you're saying. I agree with you, but I think the reason why I agree with you is because I don't really like intimacy that much
[63:29] Mike: like I like being alone and stuff like that. So it's like I look at
[63:30] Keith: it like that
[63:56] Mike: for me actually think the reason I agree with you is because it's similar to the thing about not wanting to, uh, have sex with a woman and that hang out in her bed with her the next six hours, like women often want to do, like in very situations. I just met her. I want to do it, too. But, um, it's like that. It's like I don't want to have this weird, hyper intimate experience that then, like you know, she'll be like, Remember that or wink at me years and it's a God damn it likes you a lot
[64:14] Mike: e. I don't want to share so and so in some sense is like a fear, a dislike of intimacy. I think that likes. But if I if I turned that if I tried to turn that off, I could disagree with you. I would say, Well, it's kind of cool that you guys share this kind of really It's like, Well, you know, we are just this normal couple, but like every so often, we like smear shit on each other.
[64:18] Mike: It's very intimate, right? It's like there's this, like hidden thing that you just like if you shared the
[64:20] Keith: thing secret.
[64:37] Keith: Yeah, like the you know, the secrets of the lives of strangers or whatever is is I can I can understand why I like having some sort of completely unexpected. Uh, you know, strange kink could be, could be a turn on. I could conceptualize, and at least
[64:40] Mike: they know this thing about you.
[64:56] Mike: And it's intimate, like it's like it's like, this is what people want, right? They want to be. They want to know their partner deeply, And I kind of have a special knowledge of their partner. And a king actually does that right, because there's a being that not everyone else knows. Now, you see, I dislike that I don't want anybody else to know anything about me. So that's it?
[65:10] Keith: Yeah, well, I think that was like a misjudgment by whatever we should wrap up here, but I think that was a misjudgment of Thea National Enquirer folks when they went after Bezos like they were like, Oh, yeah, Jesus is gonna be really embarrassed that, like, he did these things and he was like, Now I don't care.
[65:12] Keith: And,
[65:21] Keith: you know, like you hit it. Hit. It just wasn't a very stimulating. The text will be simulating not carrying in orderto get there. Sure, Sure, Yeah,
[65:26] Keith: yeah, but it seems like it doesn't care based on him. Like basically saying the contents of the photos before they
[65:42] Mike: always the right strategy when someone's trolling you're grief in use. Just like do the op. Yes, but just the opposite of what they want. It's like it's like when you're a sibling is teasing you like the worst thing you can do is to like, kind of, like get upset or whatever the right thing is to be like, Go ahead. Really, Whatever the thing
[65:42] Keith: is,
[65:45] Keith: yeah, yeah, Just keep coming back here.
[65:56] Mike: No, please copy. And you, the thing you do is you start saying random numbers because then their stupidity gets it gets See, they can't keep copying you because you're saying the random numbers too fast. Then you can call it stupid.
[65:58] Mike: Well, I never thought of that before.
[65:59] Keith: That's a TRO technique that I talk to
[66:06] Mike: my kids because they would do it to each other. And then and then I would just they do to me and I just start saying I would start reciting high and I'm like, You