Your Mileage May Vary: A World Of Musks, Doing More For Your Partner, Cumming Inside And Outside

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[00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is controversial but mostly in good faith today we are going to talk about a sexless marriage with a twist a man who refuses to come inside despite all relevant precautions being taken. Premature ejaculation and more I am Keith my co-host is Mike hello Mike um I was thinking about something that has been reliably a little bit of a bummer about this show which is I can't really talk about my.
[00:23] Mike: Hello keith.
[00:38] Keith: Dating life because sometimes I am dating Well so you know people don't want me to reveal stuff on on air and then also if I'm dating multiple people. Ah you know people and.
[00:49] Mike: Um, yeah.
[00:58] Keith: Either or both listen to the show. They may be irritated or feel badly I'm not I'm not lying to anybody I don't have anything to hide. But you know like in ah various poly Setups I think it's pretty common for people not to give the.
[01:04] Mike: Ah, right I mean it? Yeah, this make sense. Yeah.
[01:16] Keith: You know the gruesome detail that would probably make the most interesting content here.
[01:19] Mike: Well, and also I mean if if I were dating as a married guy like honestly the content on the podcast is pretty much only a positive for me in the sense that ah, let's see I don't I don't have anything really to conceal put it that way. So It's like okay you know here's this. It's like I might say something on here that like actually is beneficial and has been you know a few times where my wife hears it and so forth, but for a dating guy I mean you don't really want your the woman you're dating to have some place she can go and basically just get a stream of consciousness of what you're thinking I mean that just strategically that would make I mean I mean she might really enjoy it. Although.
[01:37] Keith: Um, and.
[01:42] Keith: Um, yeah.
[01:52] Keith: Um, right.
[01:56] Mike: I'm not sure she would ah but she might think she would enjoy it but actually like it just makes it because there is a sort of amount of adversarialness. Not and not even in a negative way in dating right? I mean you're trying to see how your puzzle pieces fit together and if she just knows everything about you and actually that's probably a problem for you generally because I bet you've.
[01:57] Keith: Um, yeah.
[02:13] Keith: Um, right.
[02:16] Mike: Have you gone on dates with women who've then like gone and just you know voraciously consumed episodes of the podcast and then they suddenly know all this stuff about you. What how does? how does that go.
[02:24] Keith: Yes, that has happened I mean ah the main thing they'll discover is that I don't love blowjobs but there'll be various things that you and I will talk about that. They'll sort of come after me about.
[02:33] Mike: Okay.
[02:39] Mike: Usually they pin that on me though which is fine. They they sort of say that I'm this this terrible person and that you're doing your best to defend against my awful insinuations and so forth.
[02:41] Keith: Um, yeah.
[02:49] Keith: I get I get criticism for not pushing back on you enough. Not just from people I'm dating but from other you know listeners Generally you've you've seen it? Um, so.
[02:57] Mike: Right? And nobody will ever know whether that's because you disagree or because you're disagreeable just being nice. It's unclear you know you could not be pushing back because you're like oh yeah I agree with that.
[03:10] Keith: Right? That's right? Yeah maybe I'm maybe I'm the Andrew Tape part two have no me.
[03:12] Mike: But no people don't it's it's nobody can know it's yours. It's actually your secret to keep. Yeah, so where where were you going? Well whoa whoa whoa I don't think I'm Andrew Tate that's rough.
[03:27] Keith: And said maybe I am.
[03:28] Mike: I know but the suggestion is that by agreeing with me your Andrew I caught that it was little backhanded so what? what? Why do you bring up the ah the dating and the the current stuff is this because there's some juicy stuff. You don't want to tell the audience.
[03:36] Keith: Oh just because yeah I mean juicy things happen and I you know I normally tell you offline but you know it's we can't and and there's really no way I could ever do it. So like you could say like well. I could not reveal to people that I'm dating that I host podcast a a famous sex podcast and you know that buys me some time but like if I ever meet someone I like eventually I'll have to reveal it and then they might go back and listen and like now I'm talking about you know. Various things that maybe I was amused by them about you know, maybe I wasn't as nice as I may have been and so like yeah yeah, there's just there's even yeah, in retrospect it could it could cause me Problems. So.
[04:18] Mike: Right.
[04:24] Mike: The the fact that you tell them about it suggests to me that it's a net positive for you because you could just not tell them.
[04:30] Keith: I think it is I'm not sure I mean I say in my online dating profiles that I'm a podcaster and then you know probably like 1 out of 5 people that I end up talking to say like oh what's your podcast. Maybe it's more than that. Maybe it's like half and then de. Depending on the way the conversation's going I might say well you know I hosted Anony but anonymously I'm happy to tell you but let's let's go on a date first because with some folks I worry that this could be. And triggering is not the right word alarming.
[05:09] Mike: Well I think that and also I think that okay it strikes me that this is an element of maybe both male and no it is both directions. So if you've seen the person in in person. You know what they look like you know what their physicality is and you have some sense of whether you find them attractive and or not.
[05:21] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, um.
[05:28] Mike: Then hearing them talk about sexual topics is a whole different matter if you don't know what they look like and I certainly when I listen to a woman talking about sexual topics unless I know what she looks like I think I think my mind assumes something kind of negative and I certainly think that women sing a man.
[05:31] Keith: Um, yeah.
[05:46] Mike: Hearing a man rather without seeing him would would assume negative things. Yeah no, but there could be something you're concealing but fairpoint. Okay, okay, you could be missing a leg or a some sort of weird problem with your vertebra.
[05:47] Keith: Yeah, but that's not an issue I mean dating Apps always have pictures. So. Yeah, good. Although I have I have full body shots at all my pictures but you know it could be photoshopped I suppose Clean bill of how recent.
[06:07] Mike: Do you have like mri and x-ray data genetics. It's funny. Yeah, you could you imagine it having a dating thing that had I could imagine totally having like a 23 and me link and dating things. You know.
[06:15] Keith: Sti test.
[06:21] Keith: We we talked about I remember years ago, you were obsessed with somehow indicating net worth on dating app mostly because you think you would sort well and and you would.
[06:29] Mike: Yeah, sure I Still think that's valuable.
[06:37] Mike: Not as well as vivek rama swami or whatever that guy's name is according to Wikipedia and this is just because this is I had the misfortune of having a pretty bad cold yesterday and so I sat and watched oh my lord that was I just didn't it made.
[06:39] Keith: And such a guy that it existed. What is his how rich is he.
[06:51] Keith: Ah, you watched the debate. Oh my.
[06:57] Mike: Misery Loved company I felt awful already and I continued to fall.
[06:59] Keith: I've I've heard the I've heard the you know the highlights isn't the word I've heard the rundown and yeah, he was prominently featured on that debate mostly.
[07:04] Mike: Though the the whole thing is so masturbatory and I'm somebody who's like you know I'm not like a liberal democrat or something but still just not not good content. But anyway I read online because I was curious about this gentleman that he's got like a billion dollars or 800000000 or something. Yeah.
[07:14] Keith: Um, yeah.
[07:19] Keith: okay yeah okay I I I I had him around that order I didn't know if he had like tens of billions.
[07:27] Mike: Yeah I was unable to evaluate what it has. It's something in the biotech space which I really just don't know anything about and so I can't evaluate it. It seemed a little suspicious but I you know I know in terms of like whether you know he did one of these special purpose acquisition sp things companies. So it's it's it.
[07:41] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[07:44] Mike: It It seemed a little I'm not sure that like anything I don't know I don't know if like it's something where you go Oh he he did he you know he he built the first steam engine. It's now I don't know if it's that kind of thing. He's like a bill gates guy or if he's just some guy that locked into some money I don't know.
[07:47] Keith: Well, that's.
[07:54] Keith: Yeah I don't know I mean it's the same almost exactly the same with Trump right? like it's sort of unclear what his financial situation is I mean it seems good but he has his finger. Plugging holes and somebody dikes. It's hard to know like if he's actually positive net worth or not even it's sort of hard to know is it that an expression. Um.
[08:16] Mike: Plugging holes and dikes. Yeah, he ah he he ah reminds me of Michael Jackson it is. It's like the kid with a finger in the dike. It reminds me of Michael Jackson a little bit with you know some assets that are very valuable but Michael Jackson had these huge debts because he would just live his lifestyle that was very lavish and. It's expensive to be that well-known you need security and so forth and so it was very unclear how much money he had because he had huge assets and huge debts and I think Trump's similar yeah
[08:40] Keith: I see right? Yeah um I don't know ok there was another thing speaking of Sti is ah are are are Stds Stis transmitted via semen.
[08:50] Mike: Ah.
[08:58] Keith: Or they transmitted via blood. So let's let's start with something like Chlamydia or Syphilis or gonorrhea. Ah, and I'm I'm having sex with somebody and I come inside of them now is the semen.
[09:05] Mike: Yeah, this is.
[09:15] Keith: Does the semen carry the disease.
[09:16] Mike: Yeah, so I'm I'm nervous here because I I have a friend from college who somewhat later in life became a doctor and has been listening to episodes and he was He said some things to me that suggested we needed more biological knowledge. So I'm I'm now worried but um, generally my understanding is that.
[09:25] Keith: Ah, okay, you're on the spot here.
[09:35] Mike: I mean obviously HIV is transmitted via fluid contact. So I mean semen would be part of it in the sense that if you're I don't I don't think so because.
[09:37] Keith: Yes, wait. No I think H I V is blood to blood. It needs to be blood to blood contact. That's why you? that's why you can't get it through kissing. For example.
[09:53] Mike: Ah, so my understanding honestly and one of the things I would caveat with all this stuff is that science is not perfect like people don't totally understand this here's what here's my understanding though the HIV virus is inactivated by saliva probably probably. It's a delicate virus. Um.
[10:06] Keith: Um, okay.
[10:10] Mike: And however it is present and it is's present in Semen also and that's why you're likely to get it. Okay, when you when when you have anal sex with um, a man your receptive anal sex. You're likely to get it because of tears in in your rectum. You're the receiver.
[10:21] Keith: Um, yeah.
[10:24] Keith: In the Receiver The Receivers rectum.
[10:28] Mike: Right? And it's because the semen then deposits viruses and it's not it doesn't have anything there like Saliva to inactivate it and the important thing is that the important thing is the guy's penis doesn't have to have a cut on it. You don't have to actually have blood putting. Yeah no.
[10:39] Keith: That's what I Okay I thought it had to be blood to blood I Thought the penis needed to have a cut maybe from maybe they were shaving. You know their hairs or something which I thought might be more common with gay men or something.
[10:48] Mike: No, that would that would make it much harder. No the the anal sex I don't have the stats in front of you. My recollection is that the belief is that receptive anal sex transmission rates are actually fairly high for h I v but even even fairly high is like 5% or something. It's still not.
[11:02] Keith: Yeah, which is why I thought yeah which is why I thought it needed blood to blood but huh.
[11:05] Mike: It's still not.. You're you're most likely. Okay, well they needs to get into the bloodstream of the recipient. Ah, which is why receptive vaginal sex. The numbers are thought to be quite low because then it's it's much less likely. However, keep in mind that like you know. Once things migrate up through the cervix I think there can be various internal Stuff. There could be that too Absolutely in honesties. These things aren't completely understood Anyway, for typical Sdis My understanding is that it's transmitted just through skin contact so you can have you can be shedding the virus.
[11:23] Keith: Well, there can be vaginal tearing too.
[11:36] Keith: Oh okay.
[11:42] Mike: If you have like a sore or even asymptomaticically you could potentially be so shedding the virus keep in mind that you have and I guess what I should say is Mucus Membrane contact I mean keep in mind though that like the penis the vagina these have mucus Membrane membranes like certainly inside the urethrow of the man is a mucus Membrane and so ah, you you have the ability to shed these things.
[11:55] Keith: Yeah.
[12:01] Mike: The Epidermmas like the external skin I'm not sure if that would shed it I think the answer's no actually I'm sure the answers. No yeah, that would just be eggs. Probably yeah.
[12:02] Keith: Well crabs for sure. Crabs is transmitted that way just I know but you know I'm just mentioning it as an example and then okay yeah, the other ones don't need.
[12:18] Mike: And that's why using a condom is going to be pretty protective unless but I mean keep in mind that usually when you have sex with somebody. There are parts of your body that touch right? I mean you don't either Condom doesn't cover your testicles and you know there's a limit to what it covers So you're you're going to. So for instance herpes and.
[12:30] Keith: Right? right.
[12:38] Mike: Yeah, these are these are related things but a lot of these a lot of it's mucus membranes that are more likely to be sort of attacked by these illnesses So that's why like shaking hands with someone. You're not going to get it. But if you French kiss them you you potentially will. It's yeah, it's kind of logical.
[12:44] Keith: Okay.
[12:51] Keith: Would not coming inside of somebody be can you use the pullout method to reduce a Std transmission.
[13:04] Mike: It would reduce HIV transmission for sure because you're not although although ah, gosh.
[13:05] Keith: And yeah, yeah, maybe precom can transmit HIV in a way that it can't transmit pregnancy. Well and there's there's a volume right? So like probably the more.
[13:13] Mike: I Don't know the answer to that I I don't know the answer that yes right? but the more sort of Quotidian Stis I think you would to pulling out would not I mean know it'll everything you do helps some.
[13:21] Keith: Um, fluid contact there is the more likely it is to transmit and so.
[13:32] Mike: Right? I mean because obviously you're shortening the duration. You're putting less fluid in there but you know in the semen expulsion could like pick up stuff from the lining of the Urethra blah Blah Blah blah. But I mean it's It's probably not going to help that much because I mean when you have sex with somebody. You're sort of like taking your body apart and like turning it inside out a little bit. You're going to.
[13:32] Keith: Um, yeah.
[13:39] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[13:47] Keith: Right.
[13:50] Mike: Expose like it's very likely the inside of your urethra is touching some like music brain membrane of her body I think that's right, have you ever seen by the way these videos on Pornhub and stuff of that are taken from inside the vagina of sex. Can you eroticize that at all or is it just.
[13:54] Keith: Right.
[14:04] Keith: Yeah, yeah, now it's it's too. Yeah, so like 2 animals. What's it like I might be able to you know I haven't looked for a while I saw this ah a while ago.
[14:09] Mike: Like 2 animals or worse.
[14:22] Keith: Um, maybe I should retry my proclivities have changed some over my life. Maybe I should give it kick the tires again.
[14:26] Mike: Yeah, the thing I don't what I don't like about it it like it's any things like that because it it's somehow like the the ejaculation just isn't powerful enough like I don't get as excited about it as I want to because it's not.. It's just yeah, it looks like a little squirt gun or something. It's actually less than that. It's just it's just so unimpressive and you want it to be hamped up.
[14:45] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, you've mentioned you've mentioned that you don't you've never even really looked at Hentai right? It's like anime porn.
[14:55] Mike: I Forget what that is oh is this the thing where like they'll show the penis going into the through the cervix into the uterus and stuff.
[15:03] Keith: Yeah, yeah, and it the ejaculation is quite powerful and so yes.
[15:09] Mike: About I Assume that's targeted at men more than women is that right? Well of course of course. But I mean would a woman even want that where the I mean are you saying like the guy's filling a swimming pool with his not.
[15:24] Keith: Ah, Mike there is ah you know you know there's like rule rule 43 is that what it is rule 34 okay rule 34 dear listeners is that anything that you wonder if there's porn of there is and with.
[15:27] Mike: 34 yeah
[15:37] Mike: Now that's not always true. For example I saw there is a site that is that is a a okay but there there. Yeah, there is a so a tube site This is true. There is a tube site for videos put out by mexican.
[15:42] Keith: Okay, but that's what role 34 is that I don't know if it's actually a proven theorem. But.
[15:56] Mike: Narco ah cartels when they kill people and I saw a video on there where they actually ripped out a guy's heart while it was beating and slapped it. So it start beating again I do not think there is a porn of that. Yeah, it was really impressive I do not think there is porn of that.
[15:57] Keith: Okay, yes.
[16:05] Keith: Outside of his body.
[16:14] Keith: I Don't want to explore this topic any further. The reason why I brought it up is ah I can't believe actually I can't believe you've you found it I.
[16:17] Mike: Can you believe that tube site exists. It's just like what's wrong with people.
[16:26] Mike: It was posted on. There was some threaded on Reddit or maybe on Twitter about something much much much more benign and then I was like okay you know risky click but okay, well that video was actually pretty amazing. It was like watching something from um.
[16:31] Keith: Yeah, you you went down the rabbit hole. Yeah.
[16:41] Keith: Yeah, it sounds like Indiana Jones right
[16:41] Mike: An Aztec ritual or something I mean this is and right and like I mean and they only showed like you didn't see the guy's face or anything and so I mean it could have been fake but I don't think it is and just I mean I can see how like a primitive Bronze age or stone age population would find it very. Compelling to like have an altar and pull The guy's heart out and it's still beating. It seems very Powerful. It's a powerful powerful image. Yeah.
[17:01] Keith: Yeah, yeah, it's visceral. Yeah, um, well anyway, ah Hentai has I mean whatever you can imagine even even more so right because they're drawing it right? like they don't need to recreate it. Um, and it's.
[17:12] Mike: Yeah.
[17:18] Keith: Yeah, there's some pretty wild stuff there. Maybe I'll start. Yeah, ah, who knows maybe it maybe I'll starts Frank maybe I'll start sending you some stuff as I come across it I think I mentioned a while ago. Not very often. Um.
[17:19] Mike: Right? So like the guy would start fucking the ventricles or something right.
[17:32] Mike: Um, and you you beat off to this stuff. Okay, okay, and when you're when you have a session where you're beating off to it is it you you say this is going to be my Hentai session and you just it's all henai that that day.
[17:38] Keith: Like less than once a month I think.
[17:48] Keith: Um.
[17:52] Mike: Sounding like yes or is it mixed in. Is it sprinkled in I don't even know what there would be to reveal I mean you've already said you use it I mean wait is it it.
[17:54] Keith: I'm thinking how much should thinking how much I want to reveal here. Um, yeah I don't love Hentai because it makes me feel sort of degenerate and you yeah, you have to actually like assiduously avoid things that look like child porn I get it.
[18:08] Mike: Okay.
[18:16] Mike: Oh wow.
[18:18] Keith: There's ah, there's a lot of stuff ah around it that like it's sort of hard to find vanilla Hentai right? There's like tentacle porn. There's like a very common like schoolgirl trope. Um, and so ah, yeah, it just it makes me feel a little bit degenerate.
[18:35] Mike: Has there been any effort to make this more and more realistic with the I mean for example, there was a tool that was released very recently that would create a woman picture a picture of a woman based on various parameters.
[18:36] Keith: And so.
[18:46] Keith: Yeah I met a girl on seeking. Yeah I can't remember if I told you this I met a girl on seeking who was an Ai research. Well she claimed she was an ai researcher but she was working on a startup herself that was for generative porn and. She was using there are you know various third -party generative ais that you can run on your own servers. So you're not beholden to you know like if you use what are the big There's dolly 2 and then what's the other one. The the art 1 mystic something.
[19:17] Mike: I Don't know I Yeah they're they're the various like image ones. Yeah size. Well there's stable diffusion. But I think that's not which okay yeah.
[19:23] Keith: Can't remember what it's called but um, natural something I can't remember that's the one I was trying to think of yeah is it doesn't that do images.
[19:34] Mike: I Mean this was this the thing I saw was particularly designed to make images of women and the problem that I had was I could yeah go on.
[19:36] Keith: Okay, well hold on let me finish here so you can download these things and run them on your own servers and so you can get around and then you can train them with whatever data you want, but there are third party ones that have been trained on other on. Various porn sets and you can use these third party things like you don't even need to train the thing to yourself. So anyway, she was triangulating between a few different methods to try to see what could generate compelling porn.
[20:05] Mike: Okay I should point out that I Ah yeah, so the the one I was using was censored so it it didn't It didn't like it kept I actually wasn't trying to get naked women but it kept accusing me of that and blocking me I By the way have downloaded blocking the image.
[20:16] Keith: Um, locking you or blurring stuff on the images. Okay.
[20:22] Mike: Wouldn't actually make the image but I have downloaded the and and played around with llama too uncensored I Forget what it's called on. Ah, there's a thing called hugging face where you can get.
[20:31] Keith: Yes.
[20:34] Mike: Um, large language models and download and blah blah. It's actually quite easy. You can do it and I am able to generate literatic on that. So I I have actually been working on the old ah Literotica project I have found a hentai here on ah pornhub and it is to a woman who is large breasts and there are 4
[20:41] Keith: Um, yes.
[20:52] Mike: Things that look like they like live in a trash can made that are green and they're licking her with like weird tentacle each one actually has the tongue is like more than 1 thing is that is that typically what she masturbates you.
[20:57] Keith: Ah, yeah.
[21:01] Keith: No, no, but but that's a very common trope in Anime Hentai Porn and so yeah, just weird, Really really? um, ah submissive.
[21:08] Mike: Green things that look like they live in a trash can with multiple.
[21:20] Mike: Gone.
[21:20] Keith: Ah, stuff for for where the woman is being extremely submissive and yeah, there's a lot of rape fantasy stuff or like tentacle stuff or Alien stuff. It's just I don't know it's kind of a gross. Um. I Don't know subculture.
[21:39] Mike: I Wonder if that would make women have sort of body image issues because these women that's right, It's reminiscent of Comic books where like the superhero guys like muscular and whatnot and the woman is like has these gigantic breasts.
[21:44] Keith: Oh the type of women and they'd like curves that they're drawn with yeah for sure.
[21:56] Keith: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's like a caricatures. It's super exaggerated.
[21:58] Mike: Kind of doesn't make sense.
[22:02] Mike: Yeah I actually saw a Youtube video where a woman who makes armor was discussing like what you would actually do to put armor over a woman's breasts if she was going to go into combat. It was somewhat interesting.
[22:11] Keith: This is a common complaint in role-playing games that the armor is always over sexualized.
[22:18] Mike: Yeah, she was saying that like basically the net of it is that the right thing to do is to reduce the kind of compress the breast as much as possible to the and essentially use something very close to like man's armor like you might have it slightly thicker in that area but like not, you certainly wouldn't make it like a bra.
[22:34] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, you see these breast plates that have like bras built into them and yeah.
[22:37] Mike: Makes no sense because yeah, it's a target. It's really stupid. Yes, she's like look there's more surface area there you're showing exactly where your breasts are like it's just it's a terrible decision. Um, okay.
[22:47] Keith: Ah, now yeah well I'm that's not surprising um all right? Let's get to some of our topics. Are you ready all right? This person says my wife never wants to have sex claiming. She has a low libido but she masturbates all the time and lies about it.
[22:54] Mike: Yeah, yes.
[23:04] Keith: This is the number 1 thing this week on the sex I've readd it. My wife never wants to have sex. She has claimed for years that she has a low libido and swears that she never even masturbates that said months ago I came home early and walked in on her using a small dildo that she's had forever later that day she told me that she never uses it and never masturbates.
[23:05] Mike: Lies about it.
[23:23] Keith: And it was a 1 time thing I said I was very happy that she's exploring herself and that maybe it means her libido is increasing. You probably shouldn't have said that last thing but let let me read on. Unfortunately, it has been months since and she still doesn't want to have sex strangely enough. However, I've noticed that she uses the dildo almost daily. She stores to stilldo in a box with a dial lock like the ones on a briefcase and almost every day. The dial shows new numbers indicating that she uses the dildo puts it back in the box and spins the dial so that it locks not to mention that the bottle of lube in our bedroom is somehow now magically empty after being full, not long ago.
[23:45] Mike: Are.
[23:59] Keith: Why does she need to lock her dildo. Maybe they have children. But even then anyway I haven't told her that I noticed she's been using the dildo but I've asked if she has masturbated since that last time and she still swears that she never does it. She maintains that she has zero libido I'm saddened by the fact that she lies to me without remorse I wonder if theres something wrong with me. Little about us. She is a stay-at home mom but I help out around the house I cook I clean I wash all the dishes I bathe the kids and take care of them as soon as I get home. She's comfortable in her skin them and I am very fit and active. We go on dates regularly but they never end up and us having sex 1 more paragraph. In the past sex has been enjoyable for both of us and I'm usually able to get her to orgasm oftentimes I can get her to have a rolling orgasm from oral and a full body orgasm from penetrative sex in the same session that said those days are long gone. We haven't had sex in months I've tried to spice things up asking her about her fantasies and anything that she wants to try to know avail avail. Know avail I mean I would's end any advice on how I can save our sex life is very much appreciated. This is a curious case.
[25:04] Mike: Well I mean that what I mean the the obvious interpretation here is that she has a new romantic interest and that she um is pursuing a loan time to sort of go through her. Fantasies that relate to that romantic interest isn't isn't that the obvious take.
[25:20] Keith: Um, but that wasn't my guess my guess was that she's been doing this forever and ah, she's just not interested in her partner anymore.
[25:31] Mike: It could be I mean is I'm not sure. There's any way to disambiguate between those two because he wouldn't since he doesn't know what her behavior was before he first started noticing this.
[25:39] Keith: Yeah I mean a couple interesting things here she is lying to him but I think that's probably to avoid hurting his feelings. But maybe it's because yeah, she's feeling some amorousness. Towards somebody else. Yes, he says it's a vibrator.
[25:58] Mike: Did he mention whether it was a vibrating Dildo or not I see I see that makes it more likely that it's something she's done forever because for obvious reasons it's going to be more effective. Um, yeah I mean I think ah.
[26:14] Keith: Actually hold on. He doesn't say he just says a small dildo which I assumed was his way of saying vibrator. Yeah right I think it's just confused.
[26:16] Mike: I I was gonna yep, go ahead? Yeah I mean small like why else would you have a small one like what would what would the point be Um, yeah, that yeah I mean I Okay, my. A mental model would be that typically a woman in this sort of low libido situation would not be masturbating. That's my mental model. So I So it definitely this definitely confronts that mental model. Um, and the reason why is I think it yeah would be is they're sort of their libidos sort of turned off.
[26:50] Keith: I mean.
[26:55] Mike: Not selectively turned off. Yeah.
[26:56] Keith: And you wouldn't I mean you you and I have talked about this a bunch but like I often end up in situations where I have a partner I'm no longer as sexually interested in them as I started but I'm still masturbating plenty but okay.
[27:13] Mike: I Don't think that's as likely for a woman. Um, so that yeah what I've read is that male masturbation frequency is inversely proportional to partnered sex frequency typically um and so you're you're describing.
[27:16] Keith: That's that's what I'm asking is if you think there's a sex difference.
[27:27] Keith: Um.
[27:30] Mike: Okay, you're describing an availability but you're not actually having sex with the woman. Okay, that's that's which that's frankly, an unusual situation or less common for a guy to be in right? Yeah, and then the other the other.
[27:35] Keith: Sure but the total I mean that doesn't break the total number of orgasms being around the same it just some some are more partnered. Some are more masturbation.
[27:48] Mike: Yeah, the other side of that is that women Actually it's the opposite correlation. So if a woman is in a partnered sex situation. She's more likely to masturbate and so this again this violates that in the sense that his claim is that basically she's just going for a loan time and not interested in him which is a little less common.
[27:57] Keith: Um, yeah.
[28:08] Mike: Um, it's not impossible. It's a little bit less common. Um, so that's why I immediately thought. Okay, there's another. There's another man in the picture here that she's fantasizing about and the fact that I got the impression that it was a new behavior. Um I also keyed in a little bit on the.
[28:15] Keith: Um, yeah.
[28:25] Mike: He's sort of listing off men have been trained I think to do this. He's listing off how he helps in the house around the house. All the different stuff he does um and I think that's yeah I think that's a little bit of a misunderstanding I mean there is this cultural trope.
[28:33] Keith: Yeah I know how you feel about that but go on.
[28:42] Keith: Yes.
[28:44] Mike: That oh women are tired and and I think okay, there's an element of truth to this if when you're in a society where men and women basically are both expected to have an income both go to work. Both do all these things. Okay, well then it's sort of tricky but the man solving that by. Doing a bunch of the tasks around the house I think often is not the best solution I Think the best solution often is for the man to find ways to decrease the reliance on the woman's income meaning that.
[29:19] Keith: While.
[29:21] Mike: He's he's taking over tasks that she actually kind of values. She cares about and he's going to wind up doing them not the way she wants. Not you know and and to the extent that a woman feels put up upon I think it's more likely that she feels put upon because she has to be a co bread winner not in all cases. But I think that's more likely to be where he could. Lean on the scale to change how the relationship operates you don't agree.
[29:44] Keith: There could also be I don't know I Okay so the trope that I think has become increasingly mentioned over the last decades is men are worthless around the house. Ah. Women have to do all the homemaking stuff. Ah when the bedroom is dead. It is often because the woman feels put upon by all these chores and the man is you know, just comes home and drinks beer in front of the television.
[30:10] Mike: And importantly, the woman has the woman has also put in a full day at work that's important and it's true. It's you know plays a role.
[30:19] Keith: Yeah I mean in this case I think he says maybe he doesn't mention it. Yeah I good No he says he says she's a stay at home mom.
[30:25] Mike: I Think the default assumption is that oh that's right? Okay, then then then what he's doing is like really irrational because it's not yeah that so so he wants her to have no tasks.
[30:39] Keith: Like I wouldn't go so far as to say it's irrational. It's that the general guidance around this is I think got this is so ah.
[30:52] Mike: You don't want this to affect your your dating life.
[30:54] Keith: Ah, delicate. No, it's just a delicate topic like I am sure there are loser men who like just come home and plant themselves in front of the Tv and like are totally worthless and that can be a turnoff to their partner. But if you are a high powered attorney and you come home. You know after you know a really hard day and you you know do what you can, but what you can is less than what she can like I don't think that that is naturally unattractive to women I think what's what's unattractive is when the man is it just a fucking loser and that. Ah.
[31:31] Mike: That's you're agreeing with me then basically I mean it's yeah, it's yeah, that's a good way to put it I mean and and and importantly it's not. It's when you say being a fucking loser the way I interpret that and I think this is being sort of.
[31:33] Keith: I am agreeing I am.
[31:46] Mike: I don't I think this being sort of trying to be objective and sort of charitable to everybody here. It's the guy could have a ah job that doesn't make much money he could be in school. He could have various things going on that that where he's not aren't maximizing how much he can contribute the key is I know I understand the key is is he.
[31:58] Keith: Yeah, that's not what I meant by loser but go on.
[32:05] Mike: Expecting to take response is he is his life path that he's responsible for this whose you know whose whose job is it to make sure that you know they they're they're sort of in the financial situation as a family they want to be in and it's a question of whether the guy is the person Shouldering. Or aiming toward shouldering that responsibility in a realistic way. Not just you know talking about it trying to be a rapper or something. Ah and that's the thing I think that women want to see is like a guy like try like who says look I want to I want to shoulder this responsibility. This is my my job even if right now he's not doing it for whatever reason he's like. Still building up his career. He's taking classes. Whatever so it's not directly how much money he makes right Now. It's like is he being what what I think you would call colloquially being a man or not but useful in a way that like the woman categorizes as appropriate for a man and saying oh hey I'm going to.
[32:44] Keith: Um, right? yeah.
[32:53] Keith: Um, yeah, is he being useful or is he trying to be useful. Um.
[33:02] Mike: Do the laundry. It's fine, but it's like look that doesn't have any leverage to it like okay 10 years from now all you'll do is you'll just do the laundry like I would much rather you do something that like you know is going to make it you could pay someone to do the laundry in 10 years or whatever and I think that's what what? Ah, a breadwin or provider is and and this guy in particular if she's already a stay- at home mom.
[33:12] Keith: Um, right? yeah.
[33:22] Mike: What he's doing is really hard to understand. He's basically actually taking away all of her tasks that's sort of what he's doing and it's like well okay.
[33:25] Keith: Yeah I I feel like we're making a sort of nuanced point here. Ok so because we've sort of gone through this the last couple episodes let me reread what this person said he says a little about us. She is a stay at home mom. But I still help out around the house I Cook I Clean I wash all the dishes I bathe the kids and take care of them as soon as I get home. Okay I think most women hearing that would be like that's great.
[33:54] Mike: Um, yeah, but they'd be wrong because she she there is no leverage him.
[33:56] Keith: Yeah, but hold on pause Mike Mike mike wait wait okay this thing that you're saying now is the thing that gets us in trouble right? So it has to start with an acknowledgement of sometimes that might be the right thing to do. And men should definitely not expect women to do all that stuff and blah blah blah blah blah like ah and like all those caveats aside and then you can say the thing that you're about to say which is that I think that's a bad strategy.
[34:22] Mike: I Well I mean let me say this I think it's let's say that the couple was a man who has an associate's degree in art and is like it does some art and in spare time and the woman went to Yale law school and is a corporate attorney making partner.
[34:34] Keith: Um, yeah.
[34:39] Mike: Are you know on the way to making partner in that case, the guy should be doing all this stuff and the woman should be out there I don't the genders sort of don't matter. Although I think they typically line up. But again, it's typical. It's just like the middle 75% of the curve or whatever like so yeah, the genders sort of don't matter. You could have a gay couple a lesbian couple. Um, but.
[34:52] Keith: Um, yeah.
[34:57] Mike: I Think typically you have somebody you have these responsibilities and it's hard to have neither person able to focus on their career that's challenging. So it's better and and it's hard to have both also because then unless you make a lot of money and you can pay for domestic help for everything.
[35:04] Keith: The end.
[35:16] Mike: Just challenging. So I think the reality is you wind up a lot of times and you have one person who's more the person who's responsible for kind of the finances and making everything go that way and there's another person who's more responsible for the day-to-day I mean there's a lot of organizational situations where this comes up where there's like the big picture in the day-to-day or something.
[35:17] Keith: Um, right.
[35:36] Mike: And.
[35:37] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, um, all right, Let's move on. Yeah I I.
[35:40] Mike: But this guy's trying to do both which is just okay I mean I actually I think that could irritate her more than anything else. He's like oh and I'm going to do the cooking. She's like well what do I mean what in this scenario does she even do.
[35:52] Keith: Yeah I don't look. We don't have enough information here like we need to interrogate him a little bit but my guess is he's a perfectly nice man but she's bored of him.
[36:00] Mike: Yeah.
[36:07] Mike: Yeah, and then the question is is she fucking some other guy yet.
[36:10] Keith: Yeah, and and you know and then Apropos to the stuff we were just talking about is this like perfectly. Nice man thing not serving him so is his availability to help out around the house actually sort of. Removing some of her own agency and making her view him as more effeminate in some way and there's sort of I think the answer to that is maybe and maybe almost and and maybe it's even generally but the specifics matter.
[36:43] Mike: Right? Yeah I mean ah 1 side of the equation just ah, kind of conceding to all the requests to the other side isn't really what people want people want there'll be like a dynamic equilibrium. Both people really do and this sounds like this sounds like the before.
[36:53] Keith: Um, yeah.
[37:01] Mike: Of a cuck old situation. It really does maybe the kids aren't even his they should. He should get genetically test the kids for sure that would be a good call I bet I bet at least one of his kids fathers is Donald Trump
[37:01] Keith: Sure Yeah, it kind of does who know she sits I just feel like yeah, he's he's missed.
[37:20] Keith: He's Misunderstand the Ultimate Alpha. Ah.
[37:21] Mike: Yes, that's I figure he just. That's what Donald Trump actually does he just runs around I shouldn't say that I want get sued. It's him and him and him and elon musk.
[37:29] Keith: He wouldn't come after you, you wouldn't come after you for this because he views that as like the ultimate compliment.
[37:38] Mike: Elon Musk should have a service where he just sends his semen to people I mean he's impregnated. He's has a lot of kids and he he like he he thinks that's cool like he's happy about that and I think he yeah.
[37:43] Keith: Um, yeah I think I told you I think I told you I've met 2 different women that say they've seen him or they've come into contact with him on seeking. Yeah one that claims.
[37:55] Mike: Oh really, you have not told me though.
[38:00] Keith: Yeah, one that claims she actually went to his house and the other who says ah, um, yeah, she turned it down. So so the way he does It is the way he does it is. It's a picture of a man around his age and his level of attractiveness and then as.
[38:08] Mike: She said no what? um happened at his house.
[38:19] Keith: Things get pulled off off of that platform. They it turns out it's elon.
[38:25] Mike: What happened at his house. She didn't tell you okay probably just sex I guess.
[38:28] Keith: This this sounds almost believable but I don't remember what you said I yeah I think so she claimed she also slept with Larry Ellison after meeting him on seeking but that yeah, but.
[38:44] Mike: Um, I Guess if you um I mean that all makes sense I'm not surprised.
[38:47] Keith: And like that girl was not ah a reliable I mean. Ah yeah I would sign like ah of 20% truthiness to both those claims.
[38:50] Mike: I understand.
[38:57] Mike: This stuff is actually one of the biggest bear cases in my mind for the Jeffrey Epstein tale is that like I don't know that these people would need to go to that island to have access to young, beautiful women. Yeah I just think I just think they're much easier sources. They don't so it's it. It. It makes it a little unreal unbelievable to me that the sort of perfectly evil fairy tale that's been told about Jeffreystein I think it sounds like he's a reprehensible guy but still um, but if you so if you're if you liked having lots of kids. You're super wealthy or the richest man in the world would you rather. Say look I will have sex with you or would you rather just make your sperm available which would you do would you say hey you've got to come get it from orgasms that I have I mean all of it's coming from orgasms but would you. Would you say I need to orgasm while my penis is inside your body or would you just say look I'm just going to mechanize this and just try to have as many it be like Genghis Khan have as many kids as possible and the way I'm going to do it is just you can sign up and I'll send you. You know your doctor or whatever this amount of my my sperm you understand my point like why doesn't he do that. But yeah.
[40:00] Keith: Yeah, there was some yeah but this this point has been summarily dismissed I can't remember there's some psychologist I don't remember if it was Peter Singer or somebody else wasn't Peter not Peter Singer who's the.
[40:11] Mike: Dismissed.
[40:19] Keith: Who's the guy who talks about how the world is on average getting better I think is a Harvard professor. Um fuck I can't brain doesn't work like it used to. Um.
[40:23] Mike: I don't know but sounds like someone I would hate.
[40:36] Keith: This notion that like the only thing men care about is spreading. Their seed is is just obviously false like there should be a line around the block at at Sperm Banks then and that's just not the case like evolutionarily it was useful for men to spread their seed to as many different people as possible but now now that.
[40:50] Mike: Okay, but you're attacking the premise.
[40:54] Keith: Now that we've achieved like the perfect technical ah technological way to do that almost no man actually do that.
[40:57] Mike: Okay, but we know concretely that and it doesn't really matter. We don't have to personify it to Elon Musk we know concretely that he's seems to be interested in having lots of kids he said it so as much that he thinks the world needs more kids he eat these making kids.
[41:08] Keith: Yeah, but he might be like reverse he might be reverse engineering an excuse for his Phil and philandering's not the right word horring around.
[41:17] Mike: Okay I would if I I think I would recommend if he is a emv listener I'm sure he's not but if he were I would recommend he try this. He could be like ah famously there are Carnegie libraries in many towns I mean of course nobody uses libraries anymore but they were built as Carnegie right? I think that's right by the fortune that Carnegie made with. Steel I think in the twentieth century and late nineteenth ah Elon Musk could do the same thing he could father all these children and then he could say look he has like $200000000000 he could say look I'm going to have 200000 children and give each a million dollars and then there would be all these musks.
[41:39] Keith: Aha.
[41:53] Mike: Around the world just like the Carnegie libraries that he has fathered and then he hands out it that that could be like how he distributes as a state. He's like look actually you could be very clever because they could come in with a 23 andme test. You can only get the money if you can prove that he's your father which would actually be kind of fun right? It be like a woolly womp or something.
[41:55] Keith: Yeah.
[42:07] Keith: Right? And if he got to 200000 it would actually be tricky because there's no way he could even have a record like they would have to because he they need to show that they're from him.
[42:15] Mike: Why does he need a record. Oh you're saying that well they would have so the way you handle that is just the way they handle class action lawsuits you have a deadline you say look over the next year people can submit their Dna and then we'll just split up the money.
[42:31] Keith: Right? right.
[42:32] Mike: Based on. However, many people come forward and then people just like everybody comes forward I think that I mean I actually think that sounds like something he might do do you think that women would go for that. Do you think there's enough women out there that would father a mother rather a child from Elon Musk like that would hero worship him enough. Of course to get to numbers like 200000. He could never do it. It would have to be done through some technology. So let's just stipulate that like maybe it could be built into tesla's you could have a little when you buy a Tesla you get it with the dildo attachment that.
[43:01] Keith: I Don't know if that's true or not Okay, if I if I jerk off into a test tube. How many people can they inseminate with one load.
[43:09] Mike: No I know that that's not what I'm saying you for sure they could do a lot of people what I was saying is he can't actually fuck 200000 women in his lifetime. He doesn't have time so you'd have to use technology somewhere that was my only point right.
[43:18] Keith: Yeah, will chamberlain was famously 10000 right right? right? Well he's too old right.
[43:26] Mike: And that's what twentieth of what Elon Musk would have to do and he's too busy right? and he's got he has to apparently be on seeking and right but he could have some attachment in the Tesla that if you're a woman sort of just comes out of the seat and then does the needful while you're driving.
[43:42] Keith: Um.
[43:43] Mike: Make it super convenient. Do you think? but here's the question. Do you think that there are women that would do that. Of course there are how many how many do you think would sign up in the first let's say he took reservations how many do you think would would be on that list in the first month
[43:51] Keith: Um, yeah I think more than he would have time to to do.
[43:58] Mike: So more than 10000 say he should absolutely do this.
[44:04] Keith: I I mean some some of the specifics matter like a lot of these women might be embarrassed. Although maybe they wouldn't I did I'm not even sure like I wonder what it's like for you know I don't know Christiano Ronaldo or something when he goes.
[44:12] Mike: Can be anonymous.
[44:23] Keith: When when he's single like I wonder yeah like I wonder in his Instagram like how many unsolicited direct messages. He gets every day from women who just want to fuck him. Oh I see they might I mean people really like.
[44:29] Mike: Those are women that hope for a relationship with them I assume this isn't just impregnation. Yeah.
[44:42] Keith: I There might be I mean there's such thing as ah, but they're not called Junkies Oh groupies of bands and like all they care about is fucking them.
[44:46] Mike: Yeah, couldn't couldn't Prince Harry like do really well on this, you could say look fuck you to the royal family and just basically say look I'm going to make a million heirs to the throne like fuck you all, he's just like look. I'm going to open source the british throne and anybody can have my semen and then you have you've got a little prince.
[45:06] Keith: Ah, it would have to be William right? It would have to be William because William already has a couple kids so in our in ah, an in order for Harry's kids have any chance.
[45:14] Mike: Well, they'd be in. They'd be fine I'm open sourcing the royal family. The royal family would go jump from being like 27 people to 300000 so then it or or like I mean thinking people like Tom Cruise people who like have like these cult followings.
[45:22] Keith: Right? ah.
[45:26] Keith: Um, yeah.
[45:30] Mike: It seems like it seems like there's a business here for somebody.
[45:33] Keith: Yeah, yeah, I yeah I think you're right if people are told that they're just going to have a 15 minute appointment that's probably not enough for most people. But for people like you. Elon Musk I bet there would be plenty would sign up for even that.
[45:55] Mike: And he would and it would accomplish his objective and make his ah death and like how his will is distributed really funny which I think you'd probably like he'll be dead on Mars presumably as he said, but then all of his children can like cry from whatever all 100000 anyway
[46:01] Keith: I Think right.
[46:11] Mike: We should move on fair point.
[46:11] Keith: I don't know how a state law will work on Mars that's interesting question. All right, let's move on. Ah my so this a 22 year old woman in her fiance is 26 my fiancee suddenly stopped coming inside of me and I think he's upset when I told him to just use a condom next time.
[46:29] Keith: My fiance has the libido of a 55 year old who is mean must be low which I which I understand could just be normal for some folks I'm not upset by that. It's kind of a nice surprise when he's actually in the mood then I don't masturbate I get horny often but just personally hate the concept of masturbation.
[46:31] Mike: So high low is that low.
[46:48] Keith: Everyone that does it is cool in my book just ain't for me. Yeah, that sort of implies. She has low libido but and a kids so whenever he's ready to go I'm more than accepting I'm on birth control and we've both agreed on waiting at least five more years until we want to try having kids he knows I never skip a pill so he would come inside of me. We both agreed. Overall, it feels so much better. We moved in together in the beginning of July and pretty much as soon as that happened he started pulling out I didn't know what to think at first because but as time went on I've been getting more upset and frustrated by it all that closeness is torn away any sexual feeling I had disappears immediately. Okay, this is like. You know the pro condom people that are like oh just grow up condoms are are fine like this woman strongly disagrees with that stance. She thinks that sex without condoms is far inferior to sex with condoms anyway, continuing I know I just get tired of like.
[47:33] Mike: Right? Oh I think that's really common. That's really common. It's just that the the people the pro con and people are much noisier. Yeah, it's well it's not just delusional. It's.
[47:43] Keith: I Just feel that yeah the pro Condom people are being delusional like I agree they're safer I'm not arguing that they're not safer. They're obviously safer I'm just not I'm just arguing there's a downside to.
[47:50] Mike: Right? I Just yeah and I think it I think it amounts to sort of an anti-man kind of ideology I think it just amounts to that. It's yeah, it's like it's like this is only men care about this is true men mostly care about. Although I think women don't love them either. They just they just.
[48:05] Keith: Yeah, well this one this woman hates him I asked him a few weeks ago why yeah I asked him a few weeks ago why he's pulling out all of a sudden and he says it's because he doesn't want to take a chance of getting pregnant I don't understand the flip I re I reassured him that I'm not going to let that happen.
[48:08] Mike: Ignore that and he would go on I think most women do too. Yeah.
[48:18] Mike: Her.
[48:24] Keith: And that I was and that I would really prefer if he stayed inside last night was the first time in about twelve days and again just as I was reaching climax with him. He pulled out again. It might sound overboard but I felt crushed I got this deep sinking feeling in my chest and felt like I'm worthless he reached for the paper towel and tried to be funny with me. Ended up snapping at him a little hurry up I'm dripping and snag the paper towel from him after I wiped most of it I went to the bathroom and closed the door behind me, we almost never closed the door unless there's guests over I got a washcloth and wiped up the rest of the mess sat on the toilet and silent cried for 3 to 4 minutes I was disgusted I washed my face and opened the door to go back to the bedroom. Was leaning up against a closet across the hall gave me a sly smile I kissed him stopped a second and said next time we go to the store we're buying condoms. He asked why and I said I don't like it when you come on me he said sorry I'm doing some. Real time grammar stuff here. He either said oh or ok and definitely had an unhappy look on his face. He went into the bathroom and I went to lay in bed I faced the wall and had tears streaming down my face. She's dramatic. He stated that he stayed in the bathroom almost as long as I did just a couple more sentences here. And didn't say a word to me when he came back when we woke up this morning we didn't acknowledge that exchange from last night and I just kind of moved on I don't know how to feel or how to proceed I love him with all my heart and I know he does too but this just feels like a weird awkward situation I'm in. Okay, why is he pulling out. Do you have a theory.
[49:54] Mike: Well I mean the way. Ah yeah I mean I interpreted. This is just he just I mean I remember having this experience as a young man that it's frightening. It's genuinely frightening to not to. Okay, not use a condom or pull out or something to basically not to lose control of 1 ne's semen in the vaginal area because yeah, like you don't I mean setting aside any sort of emotional things like oh is this woman somebody who's bad or evil or something like that setting. All that aside just loss of control right? Like. You've now set in motion this process that could I mean I had a like I had a friend from high school who in college had his girlfriend get pregnant and then she ah turned to drugs as some some people do and he actually raised the kid ah to 18.
[50:41] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[50:44] Mike: So he he I mean the the mom was sort of in the picture. But for the moment I mean he was custodial and and he did I think he did a great job but but man that guy's life changed like that that became his life was his son not not necessarily bad. But I mean like there's a lot of stuff he would have probably liked to do.
[50:58] Keith: Okay, fine. So your theory is he had some sort of Eureka moment and decided that the risk was more than he's comfortable with and so now he's pulling out because of that.
[51:00] Mike: Ah, it affected all his relationships after that so on and so forth.
[51:10] Mike: The yeah the Eureka moment is the part that's harder to understand right? I mean the the sort of change in attitude suggests some event that led him to find her maybe less trustworthy or something than than his prior estimation.
[51:22] Keith: Um, yeah.
[51:27] Mike: And that that definitely I think deserves investigation. But the overall attitude I think kind of makes sense and I yeah it makes sense to me.
[51:36] Keith: Um, I mean most men would vastly prefer to come inside everything else being equal.
[51:40] Mike: Sure it's yeah of course and but it just it requires some high level of confidence about the woman's birth control status and or persuasiveness abortion wise or something else like yeah.
[51:54] Keith: Okay, all right? So the second thing I wanted to discuss on this is she is really distraught by him not wanting to come inside of her you know tears streaming down her face you know and while she's in bed and then she's crying on the toilet and why does she feel disgusted. By him, not wanting to come inside of her why did and she I think she uses the word worthless as well.
[52:17] Mike: That's harder I mean yeah I mean the most obvious thing to me is that she's interpreting it as he doesn't trust her because if she's she she could say look I'm using Birth control like what's going on here like what.
[52:31] Keith: Yeah, this is like ah our friend's complaint about Seinfeld like they just so just 1 sentence needs to be said here and the sentence is why aren't you coming inside of me and then that can answer a lot of questions here.
[52:44] Mike: Yeah, well and she and she and well I mean he might lie though. That's the thing It's like he could say something that isn't getting at the real issue I don't know it's part. Yeah, he can't say that it feels less good. He's like it's just too slimy in there.
[52:51] Keith: What could he say like what could he even pretend right. I Mean if he if he says that he trusts her then he.
[53:03] Mike: Ah, ah.
[53:09] Mike: There are guys that fetish shies mean why like let's see you. You do this behavior of coming on the woman's stomach. Your rationale is birth control type concerns right? Yeah, ah so absent any such concern you would base you know, ah effectively always.
[53:15] Keith: Yeah, yes.
[53:22] Keith: Sure Yeah I mean there's I don't really have these fantasies but I think lots of men have fantasies about like coming on a girl's tits or coming on her face like that can be additive but I feel like even for those people that's like a sometimes thing not an every time thing.
[53:24] Mike: Come inside right.
[53:31] Mike: Um, yeah, okay oh there is another thing that I just that just occurred to me. Ah, yeah, he might he might have trouble coming from just vaginal stimulation because of like death grip. So it might actually be.
[53:40] Keith: Porn set aside.
[53:47] Keith: Um.
[53:49] Mike: He's like yeah I can't I mean have you ever ah like split the baby here and so to speak and beaten and beaten off into a woman's vagina. In other words I mean you see this in Por sometimes like cream pie porn because they're trying to like deposit the seed right? at the entrance have you ever done that in real life.
[53:53] Keith: It's an interesting theory for.
[54:03] Keith: Yeah, no I have not either.
[54:07] Mike: I Don't think I have yeah um so a guy could do that but that might actually make her feel worse right? because it's like what wait. What's going on here like why are you like I'm not tight enough.
[54:17] Keith: Yeah, yeah, the notion of like the man needing to stimulate himself an ordered orgasm I can imagine being pretty effective ah affecting for women.
[54:25] Mike: But that's but that but if a guy is you know, very vigorously beating off with his hand I think that's entirely possible that that could happen right? Yeah I mean I've experienced this certainly with condoms.
[54:34] Keith: Yeah, she doesn't mention anything about that. But that's an interesting theory.
[54:44] Mike: Like it can be desensitizing enough that it's like you're not sure you're going to get there or like if you're like really tired like yeah there there can be life experiences where where where you it's you're having trouble and your hand can.
[54:51] Keith: Yeah.
[54:59] Mike: Maybe be more reliable I'm actually not sure like if that's actually an interesting point if you're having trouble getting to the nut is there a time when you would ever resort to the hand or with a bear vagina always be better for you. What do you think I'm not sure.
[55:12] Keith: Ah.
[55:15] Keith: I I think for me almost uniquely because of my tight circumcision A bare Vagina is almost always better. Although if I have the lubrication from the vagina already on my cock. Yeah I don't really have a death grip issue So that.
[55:21] Mike: Interesting.
[55:30] Mike: Yeah, you you you use sort of a feather a feather tip grip with your hand.
[55:36] Keith: I I trained myself to minimize stimulation needed now I just I don't know something about the way masturbate doesn't give me death grip issues. Let's do 1 more topic here and this is a short one.
[55:49] Mike: Yeah, yep.
[55:54] Keith: I a 29 year old male ejaculated during a heavy makeout with my fiance. We haven't done a premature ejaculation thing for a minute so here we go we had it met for a long time I had missed her too much when we met. We had that makeout this writing and and while I was kissing her lips I felt like my penis was about to ejaculate.
[55:56] Mike: On.
[56:14] Keith: Couldn't hold the feeling. It felt awkward and I was worried I may have a health problem. The makeup period was nearly 30 minutes so is this considered a problem related to premature ejaculation. Do I need to say a doctor so he doesn't specifically say ejaculated but let's assume he did um because it sounds like he did.
[56:15] Mike: Um.
[56:31] Keith: Um, listen I don't know if ejaculating from minimum from from minimal physical contact correlates with premature ejaculation but it might I'm not sure.
[56:51] Mike: I Mean there. There's some correlation but I don't think it's exactly the same I mean the the important thing you're to elucidate is that premature ejaculation is usually going to be that the man is somehow surprised by the. Extremely exquisite nature of the sensations when he actually enters a woman's Vagina. It's typically going to be that um or he's so excited because but it could also be so he's so excited by the contact and proximity of a woman like these 2 things could kind of mix.
[57:09] Keith: Yes, yeah, yeah.
[57:20] Keith: Yeah I mean in this case, they were just making out so there wasn't even any vaginal contact.
[57:26] Mike: Yeah I mean I've I've certainly never had this experience I have had the experience where there's like a lot of fluid but not because I reached climax.
[57:38] Keith: I've had the experience where I've I've come with even like I Yeah I think when I was a teenager like just from dry humping I think I've I've already asked himed. But I think we you know that was the goal like it wasn't. Premature Unexpected. It was the goal. It's it's weird in retrospect like I just can't imagine.
[57:57] Mike: That's so weird and in my high school my my high school had a very strong expectation of women swallowing semen like there were a lot of I know.
[58:08] Keith: I Wish wish by high school had that meme.
[58:13] Mike: Had a lot of cultural norms. This is actually true. My high school had a lot of cultural norms or was sort of enforced among certain sets of students and it really was the expected behavior so that like it. Yeah I mean I think there was like the women were expected to do a certain thing I have no other girls I Guess I have no idea if later in life some of them stopped doing that. But this was like. The known expected experience and like dry humping to orgasm was not a thing anybody was doing it was that would have been considered strange.
[58:39] Keith: I Don't even know what the memes in my high school was I wasn't cool enough to be privy to those kinds of conversations and I wasn't having sex and so the only thing available was you know dry humping.
[58:45] Mike: I yeah.
[58:53] Mike: Um I was borderline cool enough. But importantly I was I had sex with a couple girls that were cool enough that was I yeah I was like the I was like the guy I was the guy that the the smart kid they dated after they finished dating the all the water pull team.
[58:57] Keith: Okay, so you got the you got the T from them.
[59:11] Mike: Basically right? and then it's like I should try on a smart kid that was me. It's not we get to find out like what the cultural expectations were go to parties talk to people find out what's going on. It's like oh and yes, the expectation the women were expected to to provide oral like there was no hand jobs. No and also ah maybe this was part of it.
[59:18] Keith: Um, yeah, that's not so bad huh.
[59:30] Mike: There was also not that much. Ah, full intercourse right? Like I think I think it was also like an Anti-pregnancy Technique deployed somehow like I think there was a certain amount of messaging that had gone out to our small community.
[59:41] Keith: Now interesting right? Yeah, you've heard about in Brazil you know which is a very catholic place that anal sex amongst teenagers is super common. So.
[59:43] Mike: That blows that your mouth couldn't get pregnant I'm just guessing. We also had like a very strong say no to drugs nonsense thing or but just say no.
[59:56] Mike: There you go? yeah same kind of idea. So yeah I mean but ah brought Um, um, it was It was a nice nice experience to have that be the default dry humping to orgasm and I can't imagine women. The girl would get much out of that at all I mean just.
[01:00:00] Keith: Yeah.
[01:00:09] Keith: She gets the satisfaction of like the man being aroused by her.
[01:00:15] Mike: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's somehow avoiding the the nudity the naked penis but she's still curious.
[01:00:23] Keith: Um, yeah, and maybe some women can orgasm from dry humping I'm not sure probably.
[01:00:27] Mike: Well, the women who can if you like if they're humping the right part of your body but not with your crotch against their crotch I'd be so skeptical of that.
[01:00:34] Keith: Yeah I think yeah women will grind against my legs sometimes and that's what's going on there.
[01:00:40] Mike: Right? There'd have to be some scissoring kind of deal. Yes.
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Episode 132: A World Of Musks, Doing More For Your Partner, Cumming Inside And Outside

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