Your Mileage May Vary: Body Count, Freezing Condoms, Oral Orgasm Signals, Pedo Prophylaxis

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[00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is mostly in good faith but often controversial on today's show we're going to expand upon our conversations from last week about entrapping pedophiles and saving used condoms. We're going to talk about body counts some blowjob tips.
[00:13] Mike: Gone.
[00:19] Keith: And more I am Keith my co-host is Mike Mike are you still upset about the response to our Tiktok.
[00:28] Mike: I am um no I'm not really upset, but ah I made 8 so we have a Tiktok account. It's YMMvpod on Tiktok we have now we have like 800 followers right now. So not terrible and we've had a few few tiktoks do pretty well.
[00:30] Keith: For her.
[00:41] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got something over 100000 total views right.
[00:43] Mike: I could imagine us. We've gotten enough views that I could see us getting one. They got a million views at some point which would be cool. Yeah for sure for sure. Yeah, and it's very variable like sometimes we have things that get tens of thousands sometimes like 300 depends on various things.
[00:56] Keith: Um, yeah.
[00:59] Mike: Anyway I posted one based on last year's last week's rather episode about to catch a predator where I sort of spliced together and you know we were just discussing it and said and I was saying hey to reprise the argument a little bit here. Ah I said that I thought they should have a. 19 year old as well as a 15 year old decoy so that you could sort of identify the guys that pick the 15 year old over the nineteen year old because then I felt like that would be a go ahead. Yeah.
[01:22] Keith: Yeah, maybe just for our listeners. Let me give the premise a bit more here. Okay there's a television show called to catch a predator they use fake 15 year old girls or 14 whatever. In chat rooms and then they try to get a man to come to a house usually and then when the man comes they reveal that they're on a tv show and this guy comes out and you know tells him that he's in big trouble and Mike's argument was that this is creating sort of a. False dichotomy because what if they had the opportunity to go over to a 19 year old girl's house. It could just be that he's lonely and the only person that's showing him any attention is a fifteen year old and so it's not that they're underage that he's attracted to it's that it's just someone that he's attracted to and so.
[02:15] Mike: Right? And yeah, go ahead.
[02:18] Keith: Yeah, and so in order to establish whether this person is truly a pedophile or just lonely. You need to give them ah a choice between a young person and an older person and otherwise it's sort of an unfair premise.
[02:27] Mike: Yeah, so let me say a couple things. First of all I did after getting what we can talk about what happened with the Tiktok video in a bit but basically there were a lot of people that didn't like this discuss this. That's what that's how they characterized it.
[02:40] Keith: You defending betterphiles. Yes.
[02:45] Mike: Ah, we can talk about that in a minute after seeing it after seeing that I did some research about to catch a predator and in fact, this was rather a big issue with the show that they had a lot of situations where they were unable to prosecute the people they worked with a nonprofit that supplied the sort of chats.
[02:58] Keith: How interesting.
[03:05] Mike: The the decoys and so forth and that nonprofit had a lot of issues with this and has since been disbanded. There are still groups of people doing this but it's tricky because a lot of the the the prosecutions get thrown out for entrapment because it is. It's problematic now I Want to say one other thing which is.
[03:09] Keith: Okay.
[03:22] Mike: People all say you can say hey if somebody goes and meets a fifteen year old that's pedophilia. That's a problem right? That's illegal. Yeah I agree. It's illegal and you can go after the person but I do think and and I'm fine with that I'm fine with the person you know having the book thrown throw down I don't actually care. But if the goal is to protect. People from potential predators. The goal shouldn't just be to like get people to commit crimes. You know I can get lots of people to commit crimes and and I'm I'm so I'm admitting their crimes I'm not saying leave mal alone their crimes. The the goal should be to find the people that absent to this Tv show might have committed the crime.
[03:45] Keith: Um, bright, bright.
[03:57] Keith: Yeah.
[03:59] Mike: Right? And that was sort of my point is like if you you're you're trying to have a narrower lens to get the guy who's going to pick the 15 year old over the nineteen year old because that's more that's really worrisome. They're both worrisome but that's really worrisome. Yeah.
[04:05] Keith: Yeah I think this analogy might be a little high minded for this show but didn't the cia get in trouble for this. They were entrapping terrorists by basically going into various forums across the internet and spending months. Trying to radicalize them and convince them to join some sort of prayerist plot and then when they eventually agree to join the plot then the you know the Cia or Fbi shows up and arrests them and the problem here is yeah like if you spend.
[04:24] Mike: There you go.
[04:38] Keith: You know months and months and months having really sophisticated people trying to convince young men to become terrorists like sure you may be able to do so. But yeah, are you making the world a better place by by getting these guys like what if you would have spent that time trying to help young men who may be you know.
[04:50] Mike: That's the problem. Yes.
[04:57] Mike: Right.
[04:57] Keith: At risk of being radicalized. You know, maybe you could do a better net positive by you know, employing a different strategy.
[05:04] Mike: Right? So the goal is not to ah take the side of a pedophile or a terrorist or the like people make by the way people make the same argument about January Sixth they say you know there were people inciting maybe government agents whatever inciting the people look you know.
[05:10] Keith: Ah.
[05:19] Mike: Ah, that if you point that out it doesn't mean you're saying what happened to the capitalol was okay, you're just saying the same argument you made like it's under. It's important or useful to understand the extent to which these people were goaded on because you want to understand what the base rate of this is and like you're trying to make the world a better place. Not just like.
[05:31] Keith: Um, sure.
[05:37] Mike: Get people to commit crimes and then arrest them. Although yeah I mean once you've once you've radicalized someone and they become a terrorist you do have to arrest them just like these guys if look if you show up at a 15 year old girl's house to have sex. Yeah, you need to go to jail I I agree it's just that like yeah so yeah.
[05:38] Keith: Right? at that punitively go after them right.
[05:52] Keith: Ah, right? Yeah I think we're all at the same page there. Although the people at these comments of our ticktock did not seem to think that That's what we thought but I have some theories on that. Um.
[06:01] Mike: yeah um yeah I mean essentially essentially the people. Yeah I mean I think I think we've said basically what the the overall argument was there were maybe 30 people that jumped in and all said very similar things. Basically. Hey you know you this ah you don't defend pedophiles. You know this guy's defending pedophiles. You shouldn't have posted the stuff like that and actually like slightly getting the I took the video down and the reason why was because like they were starting to cross the line I told a friend there like ah. It's the first time I've experienced this like that I know people encounter like on Twitter and so forth where it was starting to get threatening and I thought why don't I don't want somebody to like or whatever like docs I'm not as worried about but I don't want them to show up in my house with like a gun I don't want you know I don't want some crazy behavior to happen and so.
[06:36] Keith: Right? Are they going to dox you or whatever.
[06:45] Keith: Um, right.
[06:48] Mike: You know? and so to the extent that was their goal. It worked right I mean and it's sort of interesting.
[06:50] Keith: Yeah, yeah, those comments were kind of frustrating. Yeah, you called it brigating I don't know I mean I think.
[07:00] Mike: I called it brigating because I think these people I don't what I suspect happened was okay, there's another thing which is that I are these people are not listeners to the show I Actually don't care anyway. I I clicked on a bunch of their profiles and a lot of them had videos. They'd posted and they.
[07:09] Keith: No I wouldn't worry.
[07:20] Mike: Seemed to look kind of similar in the sense like age range. They seemed like kind of maybe maybe 20 year old and then they're not super attractive guys. That maybe are confused about their sexuality like it wasn't in other words it wasn't like a broad range of it wasn't a broad range demagogue graphically they were all white like it was like it was like yeah.
[07:37] Keith: Ouch.
[07:42] Keith: It's interesting. It's interesting that ah yeah, Tiktok arrived at targeting those kinds of people with our video because they because they were seeing Tiktok was noticing the engagement from those people.
[07:49] Mike: Well what I think happened so this is why I called it briggading. That's probably the wrong word. So yeah, but but that video so Tiktok reports to you how many times the video has been forwarded to somebody else and that video got forwarded a lot.
[07:57] Keith: And so then they show it to more people like that I think.
[08:03] Keith: Oh okay, maybe inside of communities like of men like the ones you just described.
[08:07] Mike: Ah, which made me think Okay, this is yes like somebody somebody saw it and forwarded to all their friends and all of them got on there. That's why I called it brigating. It's like this group of people who like go around doing this to videos. That's what I think may have happened but I think you have a different take on it.
[08:15] Keith: I see.
[08:21] Keith: Well I mean I didn't know all that information I guess I had like a pedantic argument about your use of the word brigating like my thought was look if almost everyone who comments on the video says the same thing.
[08:25] Mike: Sorry.
[08:39] Keith: Part of that is they're noticing what the other comments are and just sort of heaping on but it was hard for me to imagine that there was some sort of organized ah effort by somebody. But if you if it was getting forwarded a bunch then maybe it is something more akin to brigating I don't know.
[08:40] Mike: Yes.
[08:53] Mike: Yeah, the so that is what that is a correct term brigading for that for if it was forwarded a bunch of times That's the right? No okay.
[08:59] Keith: Well brigating can mean a bunch of different things right? There's like sock puppeting which is like you know people use fake accounts to make you know a person's position seem more popular than it is or to have like fake arguments to sort of drive polarization. That's.
[09:18] Mike: Um, right.
[09:19] Keith: That's like a kind of begating and then there's I don't know ratioing. Do you know what? ratioing is okay, ratioing applies to Twitter it's when ah if a tweet gets more um replies then it gets retweets or likes that's called ratioing.
[09:24] Mike: Not really.
[09:39] Keith: And it's you know, usually but not always an indicator that ah the original post has been poorly received because lots of people are responding presumably to criticize it rather than liking it or retweeting it. Um.
[09:50] Mike: I see.
[09:55] Keith: And then you know there's I don't know have you heard the expression C lioning. Okay this is when like you're at an online discretion and you know people will harangue you with like incessant bad faith questions in order to sort of like.
[09:57] Mike: No.
[10:14] Keith: Disrupted debate and wear down the you know the person they don't like and then there could be like mass. Yeah, there can be mass reporting That's another kind of briggading where people go around and like say like oh report this post to try to get it taken down.
[10:20] Mike: I kind of like that strategy. Yeah, go ahead. Yes I was worried about that too I was worried about like our Tiktok account being taken away for this like silly by the way. So um, ah. Our other our next most commented video on there and this is 1 thing that like it was surprising that so many people engage which makes me think it was people don't on Tiktok. It's I think a little bit difficult to get keepable to comment people tend to just like and move on or just move on our second most liked 1 or commented rather one is a video I made.
[10:44] Keith: Um, yeah, yes.
[10:55] Mike: Based on our conversation about women's armor molding to their breasts and that one has like this and sort of nerdy debate. That's gone on about ah about no no actually actually no, it's they're they're debating like what was built like what kind of armor was was.
[11:02] Keith: Right? I like in role playing games. Yeah okay I remember.
[11:10] Keith: Oh in the middle in the middle ages huh.
[11:12] Mike: Was typical in the middle ages. Yes, and then the view is definitely that they would not have had obviously they would not have sat around you know, hammering out breast right? exactly or you know breasts that would be visible although you know people anyway, people can go on Tiktok and read the.
[11:22] Keith: Breastplates Well breast shaped breast plates all right.
[11:30] Keith: Ah, okay, so something to to look forward to um, okay well I guess we agree on this like it was sort of I mean look I think the problem was the clip you selected for that video was not well. Okay, it.
[11:30] Mike: Debate. It's It's pretty pretty nerdy.
[11:48] Keith: Here's 1 thing I might say that clip was not clear enough I mean it was a clip from the show right? And so the context of our 10 minute discussion is sort of missed right? So like yeah, very limited attention span.
[11:59] Mike: Yeah, well for Tiktok you have to cut out all the pauses cut out some of the the verbiage because people have ah these are like not yeah, limited attention span people and so it's possible that people miss that but I don't I think that like it just shows that like there's certain hot button topics here that people can't see nuance around.
[12:14] Keith: Yeah, like why are people so sensitive about Pedophilia Man I mean it's such a yeah yeah.
[12:16] Mike: And this must be like a frustrating thing about now I understand but it but like there is there. There can be nuance right? I mean there are situations where um and you know there's another thing in the news today Keith I don't know if you watch this but an hour before we recorded because I like to keep up on media.
[12:32] Keith: Of how.
[12:34] Mike: Um, Tucker Carlson released his his video of his interview with this gentleman who claims that he gave ah president Obama a blowjob sex related ah 19191999 so apparently what he claims happened is.
[12:41] Keith: Oh boy? Well when by during his presidency. What was he married to Michelle at that point. Okay, maybe they were.
[12:52] Mike: Yes, but they were on the rocks which ah, which which Obama has since admitted he has since said that around then they were having like some marital challenges. Ah maybe look I don't know. Ah, but yeah yeah I mean I think the bigger ah surprise there is the is that he's not a female that the.
[13:00] Keith: Maybe they were quote unquote taking a break.
[13:11] Mike: Partner. Ah so the claim? Yes, yes, yes, it's a man and the claim is that the claim is that this guy wanted to wanted a party in Chicago and got hooked up with Barack Obama and they smoked crack in a limo together and then and then he gave.
[13:13] Keith: Um, oh it was a man. Oh.
[13:31] Mike: Obama a blow it honestly sounded like I I told a friend that I I want it to be true. So I just think it's so funny. It's like okay.
[13:39] Keith: I Be did you listen to it does it seem like what what a truthiness value would you ascribe to his account.
[13:46] Mike: It's really hard to say because I know what people what? what people will say this guy apparently has been claiming this since 2008 it's just not reported in the media. Ah it so and there's people can look it up like I it's it's like.
[13:51] Keith: Okay.
[14:00] Mike: He was given a lie detector test that he failed I think but there's a claim that that was tampered with so on and so forth. Um, but I would say that um here's what I will say it's not easy like this is why cross-examination exists in courtrooms. It's not easy to have a story stick with it and like.
[14:04] Keith: Cheese. Okay.
[14:18] Mike: Say the story in such a like almost like an improv actor where he like he seemed very it seemed true to be honest so I would I think I I have no idea but like if I had like have gun to my head I would guess it was true gun to my head I would guess it was true.
[14:22] Keith: I Just got it.
[14:31] Keith: Ah ha.
[14:34] Mike: Just because and in my life and this is probably true for you too when stories like this come out in my life most of the time they're true like actually like be everybody denies that they say you're crazy and then you later find out. Oh yeah, it was true like John Travolta or whatever like like these things like yeah.
[14:41] Keith: Um, yeah.
[14:47] Keith: I mean right? right? right? I mean the issue here is he has some incentive for example, getting platformed on Tucker Carlson um
[14:55] Mike: What's I don't know this did didn't look you yet I don't he claims not to have many money off it. He didn't look so good. He was missing a tooth and stuff I don't know man like I'm sure this guy's I'm not sure it's done much for this guy's career. Yeah, anyway, yeah, but like I don't.
[15:05] Keith: Ah, maybe that helped this technique.
[15:12] Mike: I just don't know but like if somebody forced me to guess it's it's I don't know it's so obviously it seems it's ah it's a surprising story. Um, but I tend to and I like to you know I like to believe people like it's like it's like I believe Bill Clinton's Accusers Bill Cosby's and I I guess you know.
[15:15] Keith: Okay, yes I would say so.
[15:28] Keith: What about Brett Kavanaugh's accuser.
[15:29] Mike: A tendency to believe this guy too I think that something happened there. Yeah actually yes I I think that like she may she seemed a little loopy. But yeah I mean genuinely I think something happened I don't know if it was exactly what she said, but like you a little more.
[15:43] Keith: Loopier than Barack Obama's crack addict. Interesting. Ok yeah, okay.
[15:48] Mike: At the time when she was reporting but but again I believe her I do yeah in general I think that what she said was true like I think like I think Anita Hill withlarence Thomas yeah I think that that probably happened like yeah because these these things dudes do stuff like this like yeah I mean yeah, you.
[16:01] Keith: Yeah, okay, all right I was just tried to establish a baseline here all right? Ah, let's move on to. We have anything else we were going to talk about before now. All right? Let's get into revisiting a couple of our topics from last week. So um.
[16:09] Mike: No.
[16:18] Keith: This guy on Reddit read the post that we talked about last week where somebody saved his condom I don't remember what it was exactly she said you know how much she liked his dick and how big he was and then.
[16:27] Mike: Yeah.
[16:34] Keith: She asked for the condom. Oh yeah, she asked for the condom because she wanted to show it to her girlfriend or something right right? right? Ok so here's ah, no, no, that was a.
[16:37] Mike: I suggested he might he could have microwaved it to to inactivate the sperm. Yeah, are you talking about the guy who emailed us. Because there was somebody who emailed us wait there was somebody who emailed us and claimed that the sperm would die in the condom really quickly and I don't actually think that's true.
[16:52] Keith: Now I did I missed that email. Okay, wait hold that all right that What you just said though is Apropos to this to this to this post. Ok this person says why I always make sure I throw away the condom.
[17:03] Mike: Um, okay.
[17:07] Keith: Post from the guy about a girl saving his condom to show a roommate caught my eye I would have posted this there but the comments are disabled I'll tell you what I'll tell you the story of why I always make sure I throw away the empty condom at a place far from where I had sex from someone I don't have a stable relationship with a few years ago a woman who had rejected me the first time I asked her out reappeared and asked me out on a date. Went out. We had fun and she called me to her house. We had sex then she said she was going to the bathroom and asked for the condom because she said she would throw it in the trash can that's considerate I delivered without distrust later foreshadowing later we had sex again. We talked a little I got ready to go home. And while she was in the bathroom. A second time I went to the fridge to get some water. It was a single tour refrigerator with a built-in freezer which when I opened it the freezer door dislodged and bang. There was the conda being stored I took it and put it in my pocket when she left the bathroom I asked her to use it. Yes, if he could use it. Took the second condom that I had thrown in the trash and left with both months later I learned that she was pregnant by chance of life. It was not my son although I understand that this is crazy and on you that this is a crazy and unusual story as I lived it since since then I simply do not lose sight of my condom until I managed to make it disappear. I don't have pretty eyes like the like the op but I think having a really good stable job ended up putting me in that situation all right First of all, just because she got pregnant later doesn't necessarily mean that she was keeping his condom to inseminate herself with I think he's he's he's making a leap there that might.
[18:40] Keith: Be appropriate but I don't know I think it's it's more likely she was keeping it for some other weird reason.
[18:48] Mike: Um, ah I think you're right about that A couple reasons one is that for okay, a couple things one I'm not I'm not a member of like the guild of of sperm bank inspectors or anything like that. But I.
[19:02] Keith: Um, ah.
[19:04] Mike: And skeptical that putting the sperm in a condom in a freezer would be the right way to handle it I suspect you have to freeze it much more quickly maybe with like liquid Nitrogen or something So I'm I'm not sure about that.
[19:06] Keith: Yes, yes, right? I think preserving I think preserving biological matter freezing. It is is really hard like I don't know how sperm banks do it. But.
[19:21] Mike: Um, yeah I know there issues with right I suspect that that yeah like I know there issues with crystallization when you freeze things.
[19:24] Keith: I Don't know if they have to freeze it slowly or if they have to freeze it quickly. But there's some strategy that must be employed. Yes.
[19:35] Mike: And that's one of the reasons why the people that do that thing where they have their bodies or their brains preserved after death like that's that's not going to work for a few reasons including that right in the people. Ah you know 10000 years in the future will be like oh let's go revive that guy like they're not.
[19:39] Keith: They're brain frozen after they die? Yes well their hope is that at some point in the future they can undo the damage done by the crystal is but.
[19:51] Keith: Right? right? right? right? right? I mean not go ahead. Well I was going to say that.
[19:54] Mike: That's that's the problem with that idea. They're not they. They're not going to do that. They'll be like ah na oh you take a miss on that one? Okay, so there's that second yeah, go ahead. Okay, so.
[20:07] Keith: Yeah I mean even though I think it was unlikely that she was keeping it to inseminate herself with it is alarming when somebody's keeping your condoms especially without mentioning it.
[20:14] Mike: Yeah, so okay, agreed the I think that it's I think that I don't think that a woman given the things we've been told on this show and I have in my normal life I don't think it's if a woman wants to get impregnated by a guy. The guys will just fuck a woman without a condom.
[20:30] Keith: Right? It's not hard to find a man who wants to have sex without a condom that's nine out of 10 men.
[20:32] Mike: Like that's not yeah and she can just say she's on birth control and he'll be like oh okay and then she she can She can do that way and also um, if she were going to go through this condom ruse I think she would go into the bathroom and immediately put the semen in her because that's going to be have the greatest viability. So that says strange. So then yeah, you're left with what's it in the freezer for I'm going to guess it was in there for a guy. She's like Cuck holding or something like there's a guy that's going to be eating that semen. That's that's I'm sorry I have to go there eating Now. It's what I said there's a dude.
[20:58] Keith: Oh man I don't know about eating. Maybe she's maybe she's trying to make somebody jealous.
[21:10] Mike: Who said, hey get me a condom full of come and I'm going to like put it on my I'm going to butter my toast with it or something and eat it or like it's going to be part of their sex boy by the way Keith I have a question regarding commons condoms for you. Do you when you're going to dispose of your condom after a sexual interlude. Do you look at how much semens in there and do you notice like.
[21:11] Keith: Ah, oh my fucking God ah.
[21:26] Keith: Um, yeah.
[21:30] Mike: Deltas in the quantity you sometimes look. You're like God Damn I produced a lot of semen that that time.
[21:34] Keith: Yeah I I definitely notice and check I don't think I have it well codified in my mind. What's a lot and what's a little I I would know it when I saw it I mean occasionally you can have like a ruined orgasm.
[21:41] Mike: Okay, do you ever notice it to be a very small amount.
[21:51] Mike: And you think less sure less come comes out in that case.
[21:53] Keith: You know this expression. Yeah I think the the most common case where there's not much semen is like the orgasm was ruined somehow not that I wasn't sufficiently engaged.
[22:05] Mike: Okay, um, okay so there so you'd say do I mean do you think you could put it on a scale of 1 to 5 typically one to 3 like how how many how about how well could you partition the the semen space 1 of 3 so you can get those in you notice that you you you take note of it.
[22:14] Keith: I had that one to 3 yeah.
[22:24] Mike: And anything beyond that does it like inform. Do you do you think? oh I keep getting 3 loads with this chick I should she I must be really attracted to her. Okay and when you yeah.
[22:30] Keith: I don't I Do we've talked about we've talked around this before and so I know it's something that you think you would do. But I.
[22:39] Mike: Do you when when you switch with a partner to not using Condoms anymore. Do you ever? Miss being able to see your load like that. Okay, okay, and you don't want to like go in and listen to her in the bathroom to sort of hear how many globs come out or something.
[22:46] Keith: No, no, no I strongly prefer sex without condoms.
[22:58] Keith: No, no, but I could imagine someone who was as ah obsessed with orgasm intensity as you occasionally seem to be where occasionally means always I could see that being a thing.
[22:59] Mike: Like ah.
[23:12] Mike: Um.
[23:16] Keith: But yeah, like you can't tell Orally yeah, pinned to the bathroom door as you're as she's emptying her semen from her vaginal cavity.
[23:17] Mike: I think that I mean I think the number 1 orally meaning with your ears. Yeah yeah. I wonder if women can tell how much is there like if it was a big load or a small load while doing that I haven't I haven't never asked that they don't care I know.
[23:34] Keith: I Don't think so I I've heard them say things like oh you really came a lot that time or like especially like as the day goes on if I'm like still dripping out of them. But I I think that.
[23:49] Mike: Oh okay, but yeah, the the situation where they absolutely would know is oral.
[23:54] Keith: I Don't think that has much it has a little bit to do with volume but it also has something to do with like I don't know the activities of the day. Maybe yeah.
[23:59] Mike: And the consistency of the semen or something Oh have you noticed that there's some activity I would think that it would just be certain women would make that claim that it's dripping out of them I don't I Actually think that's not generally a thing if they go to the bathroom and like sort of wife.
[24:18] Keith: Yeah I think if you're like walking around a lot shortly after having sex you might notice it dripping out or I don't really know I haven't done enough a B tests here. Um.
[24:27] Mike: Okay, yeah.
[24:31] Keith: Have a couple more questions about this guy like why not just pour the condom out like why carry it around it his breast pocket. Oh ok, but only because he didn't pour it out. Oh I guess she took the condom.
[24:38] Mike: Um, it was frozen.
[24:46] Mike: Only because he didn't pour you mean he didn't pour it out. Be eat right.
[24:48] Keith: Remember she said that she wanted she wanted it so like I guess that's when she took it to the freezer somehow but the second condom he said he retrieved from the trash but he wouldn't have had to do that if he poured it out himself.
[25:01] Mike: I Mean let's see that's true. But I mean pouring it out isn't dispositive right? I mean there could still although although to our emailers point like I think that if you get it so that you've removed most of the fluid there. It's going to dry out pretty quickly.
[25:13] Keith: I Think it's dispositive man I don't think you can let's say someone's poured out a condom. Okay and then you you take that condom and then what what do you? you you turn it inside out. And then you squeegee the remains off the the walls of the condom to try to accumulate as much sample as possible.
[25:33] Mike: I look it's theoretically possible as somebody who is subjected to sex education in the United States in like the 80 s and ninety s I can tell you that um we were taught that like any amount of semen sperm can get you pregnant but probably.
[25:36] Keith: What mean.
[25:47] Mike: There's some linear relationship or something. So if you if you get a tiny tiny amount. There's not that much you could do with it. That's right.
[25:51] Keith: Yeah I don't think that's a I think pouring it out is fine. Also I learned a little bit more I don't know if you remember last week we were talking about was is there a way to neutralize your semen somehow like some powder apparently I was reading online apparently drake.
[26:03] Mike: Okay, bleach.
[26:09] Keith: Would pour hot sauce ah into his used condoms to discourage women or torture women who would later try to now I don't know if this was just in a song or if you said this in an interview but that's the rumor.
[26:20] Mike: So he was worried Drake Root was rumored to be worried about does he have kids do you know if this did did it work. Yes, he has he had kids Drake Drake is african american or canadian I know but he's black is that right? okay.
[26:30] Keith: Ah, well he would have to have kids that he didn't intend to have Yes, he is yeah.
[26:39] Mike: Because I don't I all I know is that Drake is often the answer on song quiz because there's only like four pop artists in the 4010 s and he's one of them. Um, but you could yeah so if he used the hot sauce maybe his kid would come out mexican is that the joke that's not how that works.
[26:43] Keith: Yeah, he's very popular. Yeah, it's a good random guess.
[26:54] Keith: That's not how it works I don't think I have it tried.
[26:58] Mike: It's interesting. Yeah I mean if you're a celebrity or someone who's very very wealthy. You would and you were kind of a player you would want to get rid of the ah yeah hot sauce doesn't isn't what would first occur to me. Um.
[27:09] Keith: I Think the thing with hot sauce is he's imagining. It kills the spur but also like penalizes the woman for trying to inseminate herself with it. It's like having have you ever read these stories about aren't there aren't There isn't there some sort of apparatus that a woman can put in her vagina that will like cut the Man'stick if they.
[27:21] Mike: That's temporary.
[27:27] Keith: Try to rape her or try to penetrate her.
[27:29] Mike: I mean I'm sure one could construct such a thing and yes I'm aware that like people have disgusted and fried I don't I think it's just fake. Yeah, that's it's not a real thing. Um, yeah, but okay, yeah, she would you know she'd have a.
[27:33] Keith: Do those actually exist or this or are those just horror stories that go on like okay okay.
[27:45] Keith: That's mildly encouraging.
[27:48] Mike: Decent chance of cutting herself. Ah, but but yeah I don't It's an interesting question. What someone in a position like he is would do to avoid this problem and I don't have a I don't think like I mean just using a condom itself would be risky. You know like there're.
[28:07] Mike: I Mean you could if you had if somebody gave you oral sex that would be tricky because they could have access to the semen like yes, it's if you're really that worried about that it would be kind of tricky. So.
[28:20] Keith: Yeah I suppose so um, all right, let's move on. Ah I'm trying to decide which how to start this topic so there was a a tweet that went. Viral this week about body count and we'd been talking about that fairly recently. So I thought we could dredge this up again. Ah it was the tweet was a copy from a Reddit post and I'm not sure what subreddit was on but this person is a 27 year old female. She says I hate how men value me because of my body count. So I've been with 58 different men which I know is higher than average but I want to have fun and enjoy new experiences and it's my life so I did but have settled down the last year and has been and have been really trying to find someone special to settle down with and start a family. All of my friends now are either married or in relationships now and whenever I meet a match with a man or meet one in real life. And they always ask what my body count is and I tell them and I tell them they always make a disgusted face and unmatch or ghost me I even met 1 guy who I liked so much and I thought was so sweet who told me he wasn't interested in a woman with such high mileage and ended up dumping me I cried my eyes out for days over that I'm more than just. The men I've slept with I have a decent job, fun hobbies and interests and I'm still young but I guess I'm just a hoe in most men's eyes. Ah, and so this had all kinds of responses. Um the one that got ah 3000000 views was some guy who must be on the right.
[29:53] Keith: He says the question we must ask young women is this who told you it was acceptable to have a high body count that person has ruined your life in dating prospects. You should be angry with them and ensure future generations of women are not deceived by them is your and so that of course got a lot of critique from the left. Ah. Including 1 from ah Ella girl and she says I don't know um is that she's responding to this guy that says who told you is acceptable to have a high body count. She says I don't know man sounds like now she has a naturally great filter. That's keeping out incompatible sexually sexually insecure men I have a huge body count. But haveve never had an issue finding long-term relationships with high quality guys. You just got to find the slut cloud subculture. Yeah I think that is actually the key to her perspective here which is.
[30:38] Mike: Slut cloud.
[30:45] Mike: The fact that she's culturally only the only people that get through the front door are people who are totally okay with this? yeah um, okay.
[30:50] Keith: Right? right? Well and also I mean her perspective is potentially a little bit strange because yeah I mean she's the famous you know. Ah, thirsttrap poster from the internet right? like it's yeah, should she's she has all kinds of filters that might make her experience different here.
[31:14] Mike: It also depends on what I mean what her objectives are because she's saying she said something like I've had numerous long term relationships or something I forget I don't remember the exact verbiage. But.
[31:25] Keith: Ah, she says Yeah, she never had an issue finding long term relationships with high quality guys.
[31:29] Mike: I mean I'm not sure what she means by long term. But I mean you don't man man is only given fourscore years to live like how how long does she think long term is like three months like there's just not that much time. so so I so I guess
[31:32] Keith: Or high quality.
[31:40] Keith: Yeah, right I mean I think the thing to discuss here is what percentage of men would be materially dissuaded from.
[31:45] Mike: I would call B s on that because you know.
[31:58] Keith: Dating a woman if she knew that she had a 50 plus body count and my intuition is even in coastal elite communities where people should should be presumably as sex positive is as anywhere in the world. Maybe there are circles in Europe that are like a bit more sex sex positive but not much. Like even in even if you take just that subset of the population I'm guessing the majority and maybe the vast majority would be turned off I am one that was that would not be turned off at this. We've talked about this on previous episodes like body count doesn't affect my judgment of anyone if anything it might be a slight positive. Um, but I think for most people for most men. It's a material turnoff. Do you agree with that I know you I know you agree with that.
[32:40] Mike: Well depends on well it depends on what you're that I agree with it. Yeah, depends on what you're judging them for what what? what? you're screening for put it that way I mean if you're screening for. So so so one thing that she can't I had this discussion with my wife.
[32:49] Keith: Yeah, okay.
[32:59] Mike: Back and she brings up good arguments. But um, one thing you can't debate is body count does correlate for women I don't know about for men. It's an interesting question. It probably correlates for men as well with a bunch of sort of outcomes divorce like there's there's a series of like. Like outcomes that are that are sort of I don't want to use the word negative maybe Divorce could be viewed as a positive. It is a positive in some situations but ah this it correlates with things and so there can be a rational way that a person could say oh well this is correlating with this I don't want that. Um Now. You could say oh well, it's a false. It's It's not causative meaning the high body count is just revealing something about the person who then also gets divorced like for example, a high body count might Correlate. You know if if your parents are divorced. You're more likely to be divorced to get divorced. Um, so maybe body count and.
[33:50] Keith: Um, yeah.
[33:55] Mike: Divorce rate are just revealing something about your upbringing or something like that that I can't I can't be sure of but but 1 thing I would say is that if if if a woman is so so in other words, having keeping your body count low might not actually help unfortunately like because it may it may be revealing of some other factor. Um, but it's certainly I think that guys who are. Looking for what I think this woman ah says she's looking for well they're going to be interested in somebody who has like right? they're looking interested in somebody who has stability look okay, you want to have kids with this person so you're going to have ah you know a 12 year old daughter and this is one of things. My wife said like.
[34:20] Keith: Ah, set to settle down to court right.
[34:35] Mike: Ah, how many of these women would suggest that their daughter do this would this would be their so they're like oh this is what I want to do would you really tell your daughter really your 12 year old daughter like hey here's what you should do. You should have a body count of 73 and then settle down like I don't.
[34:39] Keith: Um, yeah.
[34:49] Mike: Like if you think about it from that perspective. It gets harder right and part of the problem is if you have a highbody count and you have a kid Well now like that's a little tough because of role modeling because of like you know you get thrown back at you. Well you did this? You know this is the way you know and so that that becomes sort of challenging and so. And so it's like well you know it's It's hard when you say I want to live differently than I want my kid to live now if people think they're fine with their kid having a high body count. Okay, but you know good.
[35:11] Keith: I think I would be fine with my daughter having a high body count. Yeah I don't I don't know about encourage I I guess I would want her not to.
[35:17] Mike: Yeah, but would you encourage it I'd be fine with it too but is it like would you be like oh this is what you should definitely do.
[35:30] Keith: Ah, quickly select a man I think that is a bad strategy and I think if you don't quickly select a man you'll end up in a situation where you have a high body count.
[35:37] Mike: You realize those 2 things if you don't quickly say that again if you don't quickly select a man. You will have a high body kind of totally disagree with that because because if a if a girl woman in that you know sort of the teen to 20 s age range is pursuing what I would call like the more.
[35:44] Keith: Okay, go on.
[35:56] Mike: Typical or traditional female mating strategy dating strategy. She would be aiming at having kind of serial long term like longish term medium term relationships and would be unhappy about things like one night stands or a guy that like cheats on her after the third date or what or left the tenth date. Whatever she would be avoiding those sorts of things and so she wouldn't have so.
[36:12] Keith: Um, yeah.
[36:15] Mike: I think I agree with you in the sense that it's like having a body count. That's non-zero or you know makes sense. But there's a point above which it's like not yeah.
[36:21] Keith: Yeah I mean there's just so many different competing incentives here I do think that developing a selection criteria that avoids unwanted one night stands short term relationships is important. I think it's possible that some women might want to have one night stance and and short term sexual relationships that is also fine. But what's important is not having that experience when you don't want it and so I would you know try to coach them toward. You know not being.
[36:57] Mike: Yeah.
[37:01] Keith: Viewed as disposable by men unless you want to be.
[37:02] Mike: I I mean I agree I think people should do what they want to do that I agree with strongly but here you have people somebody saying look I did what I want to do this and now I want to completely change what I do and do this other thing and that's sort of like it's like well what are you talking about which one did you want to do.
[37:14] Keith: Um, yeah I know Yeah, but.
[37:19] Mike: You know you people don't people don't just completely turn on a dime when they're whatever age she is say 30 Oh yeah, I've just you know, lived this way and now I'm just totally different. It's like no, you're not that's not how like nobody thinks that's how human psychology works.
[37:31] Keith: Yeah I think she might be backfilling ah Justification for her past actions like like I would expect Okay I would expect the optimal path to be and look.
[37:37] Mike: Well okay, but you know.
[37:48] Keith: It It depends on the woman of course but I would expect the optimal path to be something like um, a series of medium to long term relationships interspersed with some short term things but they shit. But. The problem is short term on a woman's terms and short term on a man's terms are very different things and if it's short terms on a man's terms then I think the woman has sort of employed a bad strategy and I think the vast majority of people who have body high body counts are because they had relationships that were short term on the man's terms and.
[38:23] Mike: You just mean even shorter than a woman would want like like they're just a one night stand kind of deal is that what you mean.
[38:25] Keith: If a woman I don't know if it's even shorter. It's shorter for a different reason which is yeah it was just a one night stand the man never really cared about her she was he was just using her for sex and if a woman wants to just use a man for sex or wants to have like a series of you know, short term relationships that.
[38:33] Mike: Okay.
[38:45] Keith: You know or may or may not be sex focused but you know were sex is involved. That's fine, but it should be because she wants to not because she's like Chosen a man. She's pining for him trying to do the thing that like we'll keep him around but like never was like that is not good, but if you have a high body count Because. You've had a bunch of short term relationships on your terms. That's great. Um, it's just yeah I think a lot of women like aren't cutting their teeth and getting more savvy they're like cutting their teeth and having bad relationships and then. That begets more bad relationships because it starts normalizing this sort of bad behavior and that is not a good pattern in my opinion.
[39:22] Mike: Well, it depends on what you mean by bad relationship but sure I I think I think because a relationship that's just like ah what what is it? they ah the sort of fuck buddy or there's another term for that right? friend with benefits.
[39:34] Keith: Friends of benefits.
[39:37] Mike: Friend with benefits is a relationship that most I think men would be perfectly happy with and it wouldn't upset a man in many cases for a woman I think it's much less likely to be something they would want actually intrinsically they're just saying they'll do it because they perceive they have no other options. Yeah.
[39:51] Keith: Yeah fine I agree I'm just saying that I think there are women that would want that and if they do want that. That's fine, but they should be dictating those terms they have all of the power. They don't need I mean it depends on their attractiveness of course. But ah, you know.
[39:59] Mike: Um, yeah, so this this gets.
[40:07] Keith: Given that they're not hideous. Ah, they're you know at least moderately attractive. They really have a lot of power. Um, especially when they're young and so I think it's fine if they want to experiment around but they shouldn't do it on men's terms and I think the vast majority Do do it on men's terms in that.
[40:24] Mike: Well some some women might some women would want to do it on on men's terms and have different. You know, maybe that hala girl. But here here's here's what I would say here. What's here's what I would say generally is is that while I think that society should be tolerant.
[40:27] Keith: That is what I would coach my daughter not to do.
[40:32] Keith: Um, well yes, but that's conflating things a bit.
[40:42] Mike: And tolerant in ah in a strong way like you shouldn't mistreat or it's more than that like you should be Toant. You should You should be like look people should be able to live their lives people should be in favor of people making choices so people should be society should be tolerant of lots of different choices. Society should also have some kind of discouragement or some there should be some. Bias Some ah meaningful amount of bias against other against life choices that are known to be sort of problematic and I think this comes up on all these axes including um, ah the Trans stuff it probably comes up with with with gay stuff with gay marriage with all these topics.
[41:07] Keith: Um, yeah.
[41:20] Mike: It's useful for society. It's not that you want I mean and maybe people are not mature enough to be kind to each other and at the same time have a society where you lay out hey this is the sort of the best path you know that they can't simultaneously have those 2 thoughts in their head. Okay. But I think societies has some challenges because we've decided that all paths are exactly equal and so then it's like well people don't know what to do? yes.
[41:43] Keith: Can I try to can I try to restate your argument in my own words. Okay I think you're saying that people can do whatever they want and they should be allowed to do whatever they want and maybe not shamed for it. But. Erecting some guardrails that sort of guide people in the sort of standard most seemingly um, culturally ah distilled and endorsed path is not necessarily bad, right? so. Instead of saying like oh it is totally okay to be trans and it's totally okay to be straight, you might you know nudge people or not straight but nontrans you might nudge people towards nontran choices. Sorry yeah nontran choices. But. You know, look if they're certain that you know trans is the route that they want to go then that's fine and you don't want to shame them for it but acting as if both choices are just sort of like you know? Well, it's half of this and half of half of that that is where we sort of run into trouble. It's it's.
[42:51] Mike: Yeah, the the the thing I would add to that is that I think and I just think this is the reality of it and it's extremely uncomfortable for this generation of adults that are arriving on the scene is I think that the way Society does that is by kind of making the choices that aren't the bright. You know middle line path. You know, kind of teasing about it. A little joking making some jokes about it. So like you know, historically people would kid around about you know, like a drag Queen was kind of silly. You shouldn't be going and beating their asses that so you know, but it's sort of silly. It's a little.. It's known to be kind of other.. It's not.. It's not the main in group.
[43:26] Keith: Yeah, this is an example of a of a guardrail.
[43:29] Mike: And I think that there's something useful there and and well but it's it's it's more than a guardrail in the sense that it's you are it. It makes your life a little bit worse if you're in one of these ah groups. It's not right down the middle but I but I just think it's yeah, exactly.
[43:42] Keith: Right? So you have to be sure you have to really want to do that to sort of get over that you know potential energy hump and if you do then? that's fine like you you yeah you you really did want to be a cross stressor or whatever. Um, and you know people shouldn't be you know.
[43:48] Mike: Right.
[43:53] Mike: Yes.
[43:59] Keith: Ah, prejudiced against or or whatever. Um, yeah I don't and yeah I need to think about this a bit more but that.
[44:04] Mike: Well I don't I mean I don't I in principle don't really understand how society I mean it becomes difficult to understand where you would ever draw the line I mean what if I wanted to marry my animal my dog like how do you? How do you say? That's not okay, what if you want to have like.
[44:18] Keith: Um, right.
[44:22] Mike: A 3 person marriage or a 9 person marriage or a 57 person how can like how do you ever have guardrails around anything like you at some point you have to draw a line. You have to say okay this this is where we're going to stop like you you know and it gets hard.
[44:35] Keith: Yeah I don't understand how the sort of woke powers that be decide what things. Ah we need to be totally accepting of and almost encouraging of in what things we don't like. So for example, um. Being trans is one of these things that we need to be totally accepting of and like almost like nudging people toward right now but you know being a pedophile or you know being into bestiality is totally unacceptable and we'll get you brigate it on Tiktok. Um, and. Ah, you know I I think I can make I can make some hand wavy things be like well what you know? What do they say about like um, how do you know when when content is something that you should ban or not and a lot of people say like well when you know you know like you know when something's porn. It's hard to like draw up. Specific lines to say when something's porn and what something's not but but you can tell by looking at it and and people might say that with like sort of trans versus bestiality.
[45:38] Mike: Well, they could also say with with with bestiality or or am something involving children. You could say well they're not able to consent. Ah, but but then you could say ok well can I marry my sister why why can't I do that Why can't I have you know like yeah or or the thing with like you know.
[45:46] Keith: Right? Yeah, incest is another one? yeah.
[45:55] Mike: Multiple spouses. How do you? and yeah, it just becomes challenging because ultimately these people have kids and society has to sort of manage that situation Society has an obligation. There takes on an obligation and becomes anyway like yeah might I generally think that instead of this idea of like having this ever expanding balloon of. Hey this is these are all people that are treated exactly the same. It would be better to just sort of tolerate everybody within reason meaning where you're not Hurting. You're you're not actually hurting people or doing things that without consent and but then have kind of a bright path in the middle where you're like look this is the you know. Everybody else kind of and and honestly everybody else is kind of considered a little bit silly and honestly I think that's we sort of got there I think in a lot of areas of society and now we've kind of jumped the shark and are moving out in some odd direction.
[46:40] Keith: Yeah I think the problem is when people hear what you're saying here. They assume it's coming from some sort of like transphobic thing right? So ah, um, what's her name the Harry Potter j k rowling has this issue where.
[46:52] Mike: Um, well sure I mean of course everybody's.
[46:57] Keith: Ah, you know she's been labeled as like a transphobe and I think she would I think her argument is like no I'm not a transphobe but it's just that you know.
[47:06] Mike: No I think she is I think she is just like I would I would say I think I am I think and I just like I think I'm racist I think I think these are correct labels like I'm everybody like look here's the issue if everybody were trans there'd be no people there'd be no society. Right? You can't have a society because like there's how are you going to reproduce and stuff like that if everybody was gay. How would you reproduce you know I guess everybody could be 1 race or the other. So. That's that wouldn't be a good example. Um, so I mean you wind up in these situations where yeah I mean yeah, you can you can throw the label at someone and it's accurate. But but.
[47:23] Keith: Um, yeah.
[47:26] Keith: Um, yeah.
[47:36] Keith: Okay, all right fine. Let let let's okay, all right? Okay, we're we're going like ah on another tangent here. But yeah, what is being a homophobe even mean like it is probably somewhat.
[47:38] Mike: But are their motivations.
[47:53] Keith: Dna determined to be disgusted by homophobia and so yeah, yeah, bite sorry by homosexuality like that is probably an adaptive behavior of some kind and it's it's probable that there's some sort of baseline homophobia that most people have now.
[47:55] Mike: By Homosexuality you mean.
[48:12] Keith: Just because you're a homophobe doesn't mean that you think gay shouldn't be able to get married or that gay people shouldn't have rights and so you have to sort of separate being a transphobe from like being Anti-trans rights and and I think these things often get conflated.
[48:16] Mike: But I mean I think you can broaden that and just say.
[48:26] Mike: Um, yeah I was just going to say I think that people generally don't and anybody who's sufficiently different from them. What whatever Axis is going to be sort of they're going Phobic is not the right word maybe but they're like going to. They know that there are other.
[48:38] Keith: I Think it is I think I think it is the right word Generally I generally I think humans are xenophobic.
[48:43] Mike: Think they're afraid. Okay, okay, fine. So yes, so there's so you're you're you're a bit afraid you you sort of other these this group of people and the question is like okay for in in a world where people are like that of course.
[48:51] Keith: I think it was adaptive I think it was adaptive to other like people were are like humans are born tribalistic and xenophobic like right? So they prefer their own in-group and they are phobic of outgroups and this was adaptive when we were in communities of 200 people
[49:06] Mike: That makes sense. Yeah, so you so ultimately you just have to figure out how you can can can can produce tolerance but I don't I Ironically yeah.
[49:12] Keith: Yeah, with education you you overcome some of these you know like I think men are probably a little bit sexually aggressive by default in their in their genetic coding but with education you know you sort of disabuse yourself of that.
[49:27] Mike: Yeah, and I think that I think that you I think ironically perhaps not ironically, but you you when you when you go too far when you go beyond a certain point in trying to normalize stuff. You actually get more outbursts of xenophobia.
[49:44] Keith: Yeah.
[49:45] Mike: And think it actually it's it's you wind up with a less ideal situation for everybody including the people that you're concerned about protecting I think it actually life gets harder for them. Um, and there's some. There's some point of of teaching people tolerance and respect and seeing each other's humanity that I think is important without.
[49:51] Keith: Yeah.
[50:01] Mike: Without saying oh you just have to act like this is totally normal. You don't have to do that.
[50:02] Keith: Yeah, yeah I mean yeah, we sort of hamed upon something interesting here which is yeah being Phobic of something doesn't mean that you're trying to deny rights or humanity of whatever group that you're phobic of it's yeah you can. You can be a little bit.
[50:14] Mike: That's right.
[50:20] Keith: Um I don't know if disgusters is the word Phobic of something but acknowledge that it exists and be totally supportive of their rights. It's it. It's yeah.
[50:30] Mike: Um, I mean to be fair like I mean I've at work received several not not not because I did anything just because of like the events in the world I've received several trainings around racism and to their credit One of the things they try to do now is to say look everybody's racist. So They they let you just admit that you have some biases and the question is like how do you manage those biases and I actually think that's that I actually appreciate I Think that's a much healthier way to look at it. Yeah, it's like you're right I am racist like I've had everybody's had experiences and you notice you notice the differences and the question is how do you deal with that. Not.
[50:49] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah I think there's some honesty there. It's refreshing.
[51:04] Mike: You just have to admit that it's there and everybody has it right? Yeah, so.
[51:06] Keith: Yeah, how do you? How do you compensate for it in a way that is most equitable, um all right? Well boy we really waited into it there. Let's talk about blowjobs I think this will be more fun. Um, let's see did I pull this up already all right here we go.
[51:13] Mike: Yes.
[51:23] Keith: What is the etiquette for signaling coming during a blowjob and so that's that's sort of like the how we ah for the man but I but I think this conversation can go a number of different ways and this person adds an edit that has ah ah, a list of bullet points that I think summarizes What people think about blowjobs generally I think this is gonna be.
[51:26] Mike: Um, for the man or the woman.
[51:42] Mike: Talking them.
[51:43] Keith: Good content all right a question for the ladies if you're giving head. Do you expect the guy to come in your mouth as the default is it polite for the guy to say baby I'm coming or give you a tap on the head or dot.dot something else to tell you he is about to blow his load so you have the option to take it. Or have him come on your face or tits if you don't want a mouthful or do you know your man is about to come anyway by feeling his balls or something else. Um, update Well that was a lot of enthusiastic responses to my question to summarize what I think everyone said number 1 Communication from the man about when he is going to come is almost universally welcomed. Not only to prepare to receive but also because and this was a revelation to me that most women found it hot as fuck to have their man vocalize their pleasure some commented that presumably while fingering themselves to those words baby I'm coming push them to orgasm.
[52:35] Mike: I Mean that makes sense. Yeah, as a man if you had a woman it goes both directions right? I mean ah a man. Ah yeah, right? I mean it's yeah, it's It's really easy to understand this. It's a guy but is a guy just getting any like ah audio from the.
[52:41] Keith: Um, yeah, announcing announcing you're going to come is is generally hot. Ok are.
[52:54] Keith: Yeah, positive feedback is nice.
[52:55] Mike: Your female partner is like yeah, almost anything? Yeah yeah, right? But positive positive is better than negative I Guess but sure. Yeah.
[53:03] Keith: Yeah, ah this person after aggregating all the responses says some people have a personal system of taps to communicate like a double tap on the shoulder. For example, that seems unnecessarily maybe if you're super introverted and shy that makes it a little bit easier.
[53:18] Mike: I Think that that feels like something would often get negotiated right? So it's like she she she's frustrated because she doesn't want the seamen in her mouth and so they come up with something right? Oh why doesn't he say something.
[53:26] Keith: Um, yeah, but.
[53:29] Keith: Yeah, but he could just say I'm about to come like why do the freaking baseball signals. Yeah, they're shy. They're shy.
[53:40] Mike: Ah I mean maybe he's concentrating on his physical sensations. Although what I've found. Yeah I think that like saying something for a guy I Guess it's being polite but also it can I don't know.
[53:43] Keith: Oh come on.
[53:53] Mike: Sometimes I've I've I've said that when I'm masturbating before I don't know you just getting legacy. Yeah I have I don't know if I was directing it at like I Well I think no I Just think that like there's a oh my lord.
[53:56] Keith: Baby I'm coming try to encourage yourself you you really have it encouragement Kink You should record yourself and then play it back while you're maturbated.
[54:10] Mike: I said I have done it not that that's like a common practice. It's happened where I was like oh that was weird. Yeah, it's just a you you sort of like I don't know there's a you they get you in the mindset better or something you you want to tell the world. What's about to happen I think that guys want to actually because you see as a man you want the woman.
[54:15] Keith: Ah.
[54:29] Mike: Because yeah I've said this before in the podcast. But I mean like from the woman's perspective. Not that much is happening your body sort of shivers or shudters a bit and then some a little small stream of something squirts out of your penis but from the guy's perspective. It's this massive. It's like a dam breaking and so he wants to like sort of bring her into that more because he's like this amazing thing's happening. You know.
[54:37] Keith: Oh yeah, right.
[54:46] Keith: Yeah I mean I think women generally like having the semen imposed on them depends on the woman of course it does Ok I'm glad you mentioned this. Let let me let me continue reading.
[54:48] Mike: Um, yeah.
[54:55] Mike: Um, that I mean orally that depends there are certainly women who say they hate that. Yeah.
[55:02] Keith: A small proportion of women have a comfetish and want to swallow as much come as you can put in their mouth. A proportion 10 to 20% hate the taste and texture of come and so want the warning because they do not want you to come in their mouth but be jerked off over their face or tits but never hair. That's.
[55:19] Mike: Yeah, the hair things for sure, right? It's like getting paint in your hair.
[55:20] Keith: Seems like good tips there. Yeah what if what if they don't want it on their face or tits like you you go off to the side out into the nether or what what do you do.
[55:33] Mike: You could do the come slap you come in your own hand and then slap her with it. Ah I don't think probably the woman who doesn't probably the woman who doesn't want to um, look from my perspective.
[55:36] Keith: Ah, yeah, probably probably not wanted if they don't want you to come in their mouth. But yeah, we're just brainstorming here.
[55:49] Mike: I Think that having it on your face or tits is worse than in your mouth for the woman because now like there's like a cleanup task that has to happen.
[55:50] Keith: Yes, I know but if you really hate the the taste then you yeah but the taste is like a negative seven and the the mess is like a negative 5 or something.
[56:08] Mike: Yeah, it's hard to say I mean there aren't there aren't that many other choices. So I mean ah, let's see when I was like in high school I feel like this came up I remember I nutted on a dollar Bill.
[56:09] Keith: They're choosing between 2 bad choices if they don't like the the seamen right.
[56:23] Keith: Um, where how did it? How did you use the dollar bill to catch it all.
[56:26] Mike: I don't remember I Just remember that happening the details of why it happened I don't remember I Just thought it was a funny thing to say I'm sure there were other places Besides although I think I've told you before that like where I went to high school like there was sort of this expectation that girls would.
[56:31] Keith: Right? That's a kleenex replacement. Yeah.
[56:45] Mike: Take it in the mouth Typically so maybe that's what happened? Well yes.
[56:47] Keith: Oh yeah, you told me that was a yeah that was a good meme that spread through your high school. Ah but like ok but none of this is collectively bargained before the first blowjob begins. You're just sort of playing it by year like the system of taps can't be negotiated.
[56:59] Mike: Um I think it could be no, you would? That's why I think that would have to be negotiated verbally which could be a good thing I remember 1 time.
[57:04] Keith: I mean it could be but come on by high schoolers I don't think so.
[57:14] Mike: Ah, girl just pointed. So this happened I had a girl pointed away from her and it just went on the wall. It was like it was like it was like a firehose and she was like get that thing I don't want that thing aimed at me. Well it went on it was she was she was back. She was sitting against the wall and it went onto the wall. What what do you mean.
[57:17] Keith: Okay, yeah, it's off into the nether right? to be fair. That's that's what I would be like like if if for some reason I was blowing a man I would not want it.
[57:31] Mike: Oh if it it was happening to you if you were the the if you were the if you were the right fewer in that fabled limo in 1999 with Barack Obama yeah
[57:36] Keith: And my face or my tits or my hair or anywhere near my body just go do it off on the carpet or whatever you need to do right with Barack Obama and my crack high. Ah. Let's see here. The majority seem to want the man to finish in their mouth but are split between those who swallow and those who spit split I don't know if he did like a mathematical study here but well, it's split between spitters and swallowers.
[58:00] Mike: Sped. Yeah, that's that's surprising to me too. Yeah, the spinning thing spinning doesn't make sense.
[58:07] Keith: I Think Morse more swallowers. The spining thing is complicated I've been with the spitter and you know she has to like run off to the bathroom or whatever.
[58:16] Mike: Well, it's the same as after P I v right? Although maybe she doesn't more quickly.
[58:20] Keith: Nice Yeah, but now she's got to like keep her mouth closed and read through her nose and stuff.
[58:27] Mike: It's sort of like swimming is it Not really I I feel like there's something that I have happened occasionally that where I have to do that. Maybe it's not swimming I have to think about it. No no, but something I've had the situation where you have something in your mouth.
[58:33] Keith: You have to hold your breath for a moment. Is it giving blowjobs. Okay, just ideating.
[58:45] Mike: And you have to like go into an is it brushing your teeth I don't know I can vibe with this situation maybe brushing my teeth So there's something where I have that and experience and like sometimes it can be difficult to not like because your mouth starts producing Saliva when there's something in there and it's like oh crap I've got to like what am I thinking of anyway, maybe it is giving blow chos.
[58:59] Keith: Okay, well you can yeah's a repressed memory here. Mike okay, the last point is most in long term relationships know the signs of penis balls thrusts etc and didn't need any additional warnings. Yeah I'm sure that couples that have been together for a while have some sort of.
[59:04] Mike: Yes.
[59:18] Keith: Get in phase with each other and understand when the ah when the nuts going to happen but can I say 1 more thing about the first time blowjobs I mean you don't have time to collectively both wait I've learned I'm not supposed to use that expression. Yeah.
[59:24] Mike: Um, yeah I mean there? Yeah yeah.
[59:33] Mike: To debate or to to to you? Yeah to agree to compromise the word you want? yeah bargain. Yeah.
[59:37] Keith: You don't have time to to bargain. Ah with the person before because how do you even know if you're supposed to finish on that blowjob like maybe they want to have PIV after like you don't know any of that stuff.
[59:50] Mike: We've talked about that I mean the yeah for a woman if you don't if you have some rules around a blow that must be complicated when you first get with a guy. Um, yeah, if you're not a swallower. Basically you're like okay now I have to.
[59:58] Keith: Um, ah.
[01:00:06] Mike: Well I mean I think the standard look here's okay, here's what I think we didn't We didn't mention this one but I think this is actually right I'm going to go with the standard for an early encounter is the guy sitting on the bed or lying somehow reclined on the bed. She's over him blowing him and then she just Jerks him off under his own stomach when he comes.
[01:00:16] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[01:00:25] Keith: Um I wish I think I would be more into blowjobs if there wasn't this sort of like ambiguous whether I'm supposed to come or not or like if a woman said like okay I am a swallower I Just want you to let me know.
[01:00:26] Mike: That's that I bet is a pretty common kind of way to be a spitter a quitter.
[01:00:42] Keith: And I definitely want you to come in my mouth as opposed to her Posty or whatever.
[01:00:45] Mike: Why don't you try telling a woman that like so you you say you don't like your current pattern is something like I don't like blowjobs maybe instead you should say look I don't like the uncertainty because I feel like this is a reasonable thing to say during sex. The guy's supposed to kind of be driving the bus and you're like I I want to know.
[01:01:01] Keith: Um, yeah.
[01:01:05] Mike: Where am I driving to during the blow and so like if we can just have like a conversation for like a minute about what is supposed to happen then I then I would like it more that you know that would be reasonable.
[01:01:14] Keith: Ah, maybe I should do that. Do you think that would be mood compromising probably probably no more than me saying I don't like blowjobs.
[01:01:19] Mike: No because I think the exactly and this I think this comes up often because women are curious Why you seem to shy away from that or whatever and so you could bring up I don't actually think that's your concern about it though. It's this thing of you don't believe they could possibly want.
[01:01:27] Keith: Um, yeah.
[01:01:36] Keith: I mean I do Also yeah, have that issue right.
[01:01:36] Mike: That load of semen in their mouth or your you're throbbing man meat between their lips that yeah I mean look they you know they it makes sense to me that they enjoy that the nut is a little harder.
[01:01:52] Keith: Doesn't to me I just can't imagine I mean I I we've been through this a million times if people care they can listen to like 80 of our episodes all right. That'll do it for this episode of your mileage bay very ah, please give us feedback. You can do so at YMMvPod at gmail.com if you give us feedback doesn't.
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