Your Mileage May Vary: Yoni Eggs, Steroids For Women, Sex Painting, Prehistoric Prosthetics, Kegels

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[00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial but mostly in good faith on today's show we're going to discuss sex painting how easy it is to feel objects up your asshole.
[00:15] Mike: A.
[00:16] Keith: The effects of testosterone on sex drive and more I'm Keith my cohost is Mike hello Mike yeah I think we're gonna have a lot to say there which is why? Okay um, so we had a.
[00:20] Mike: Yeah, hello Keith that testosterone one is going to be a good one I have I have some stuff there. Yeah.
[00:35] Keith: Question from a listener that I think is sort. Ah so this person asks. Ah they linked us to a tweet to see it in our spreadsheet there.
[00:37] Mike: I Think it's a repeat question I think I recognize the name. Maybe I'm not sure.
[00:48] Mike: Maybe this is different than the one I was thinking of Okay why you I don't have in front of me. So why don't you read it or whatever.
[00:52] Keith: Okay, if you click on this tweet. It says these cave women dildos were found during a cave excavation in Germany at 28000 years old they're believed to be the oldest sex toys and I think it's important for you to see the picture of this so you should click on that tweet.
[01:02] Mike: Um, what.
[01:09] Mike: Okay, why don't you describe it to our listeners while I'm doing that.
[01:12] Keith: I will but let me let me give the listeners questions for us. The listener said why is there so much variation in the size and shape of these 28000 year old dildos. So the listener brings up a good point. There's 6 dildos pictured. Some of them are very long and narrow. Some of them are long and wide and some of them are kind of short and wide. 1 of them is very tapered. Ah now you know 1 obvious answer might be. They didn't have access or the ability to do.
[01:39] Mike: Are.
[01:49] Keith: Ah, careful carving and so this is the best they could do but 1 2 3 4 actually all six have a pronounced I would say tip of the penis and so they're they're definitely carving that part. So I think that sort of throws throws the not having adequate tools reason out the window.
[02:14] Mike: Um, I mean yeah, there's some, There's a couple issues one is that I mean a couple of these are you you have to account for weathering over time One would hope that these were originally smooth just for comfort purposes.
[02:23] Keith: Um, yes.
[02:29] Mike: Ah I'm also assuming they're not mushrooms or something else. That's being depicted there. Although it certainly does seem to be a penis. It could be the penis of an animal in some cases. They're okay, but the belief is these are sex toys which I mean there'd be no way to know right.
[02:36] Keith: Yeah, um.
[02:43] Keith: Well, they're made out of stone and I think they have evidence of carving.
[02:48] Mike: Do you think that stone if you if you had to make a sex toy with what's available kind of in the environment would you use would stone be your first choice.
[02:54] Keith: Ah, yeah, ah I mean the other options the other options I think are bone or wood right? The issue with wood is splinters and.
[03:02] Mike: Um, I'm thinking maybe bone.
[03:07] Mike: Probably So it's.
[03:13] Keith: Sort of dry. You know they couldn't although you can you could lubricate it with water so that it might not be as rough as would otherwise would be.
[03:15] Mike: Um, yeah, yeah, the obvious thing would be some kind of polishable stone because then it well it's polishable. So it's not going to. It's not going to be rough.
[03:25] Keith: Yeah. Right? marble or something.
[03:33] Mike: Um, yeah I mean I'm I Guess it's possible I'm not sure that would be the top priority of a prehistoric civilization to make sex toys. Um I am skeptical. Ah.
[03:41] Keith: Um, you're skeptical that these are sex toys. What do you think they are just idols of of animal penises.
[03:53] Mike: Yeah I mean I was talking to a ah colleague recently who is hindu and he told me that I have no way to know whether this is true or not but he told me that in hindu temples because it's very you know people imagine Hindu temples having having a lot of kind of idle looking statues and like idol like statues right in them.
[04:08] Keith: M.
[04:12] Mike: Maybe they're gold or whatever and he showed me a picture that was like there were people like seated and there was like some guy with multiple heads and all these kind of crazy things. Well he told me actually in the hindu temples. The idols in there tend to be sex positions and then I said to him. Well do you have any idols like that in your house and he said no no I Just do it.
[04:24] Keith: Okay.
[04:31] Keith: I Say that's clever. It's not bad.
[04:31] Mike: In the bedroom like meaning he's the Idol. He's the statue in the bedroom with his dick which I was like that's kind of cool. Um, but so I so I could imagine it being something like this I do know that um in a a in ancient Rome people would use statues of penises as um, ah. Markers for where territories and ended like penises were often used for that I also know having visited pompeii that Penis. There's a lot of penis art and it's not just graffiti like penises were used to like point you know like well.
[05:00] Keith: Yeah, yep.
[05:02] Mike: Point to the brothel for example, but there were penises their penises like they used penises in a way We don't now because we're sort of Victorian. It's an obvious symbol and so my first pass thought would be some sort of religious icon. Some kind of yeah some kind of direction finding thing and maybe it would have been used sexually as well. But I just don't think.
[05:10] Keith: Okay.
[05:19] Mike: I'm skeptical that in ancient times like that they have the same taboos around sex that we have that I think have built up culturally for various reasons and so like I think I don't know access to people other people's private parts might have been actually easier then than it is now like there weren't as much there weren't There wasn't as much clothing etc. So.
[05:36] Keith: Ah, okay I suppose I mean it's tricky because we just have the pictures of these 6 and they're just sort of laid out and the the background actually is just black so these seem like they've been collated from.
[05:46] Mike: Are.
[05:52] Keith: Different pictures. Perhaps I presumed that the author of the tweet wasn't full of shit but you bring up some good points there I'm not sure oh sure that they are why.
[05:55] Mike: Yeah, yeah.
[06:03] Mike: Um, oh I believe that they're believed to be the oldest set world's outestsextoyssextoys I'm just skeptical I'm not I'm not sure I agree with the like I'd like to see the rest of the evidence.
[06:11] Keith: Why do the tips all look sort of circumcised I guess when you pull back the foreskin. That's how penises look even if you're not circumcised.
[06:20] Mike: Yeah I mean I think that you'd be depicting just like if you were defecting a vulva you'd probably show more than just a slit or something you would you would include more structure and I think when I when I've seen kind of prehistoric.
[06:31] Keith: Um, right? yeah.
[06:37] Mike: Depictions of women or whatever they often you know these sort of like fertility type images they they there's more shown there. It's like more stuff.
[06:41] Keith: Does that does that little knob do anything for women stimulate stimulation wise right.
[06:48] Mike: Um, other than plunge out the last guy's semen maybe these are actually like abort of factants or what a bit abort of Fas. They're like a way to abort a a baby I probably not does it do anything for the woman. Um I don't know like I've seen um i.
[06:57] Keith: No.
[07:06] Mike: Recently Saw a porn in 2 different porns where women were sort of using the kind of rim on the guy's cockhead in an interesting way. 1 was she was sort of like giving a blow in such a way that the her lip would kind of go alternately across it So it kind of popped her lip a little bit and then I saw something similar with ah. A woman's vagina so there could be some extra stimulation that a woman gets from kind of and like you do read about people saying oh you should take shallow strokes sometimes in Pi Iv and maybe the point of that is that like that region kind of applies more interesting friction to her labia.
[07:35] Keith: Um, and.
[07:45] Mike: Um, I'm not sure in deep penetration if it's going to do much and be very noticeable.
[07:45] Keith: Okay, yeah I deldos that I've seen sometimes have ah a mushroom head and sometimes don't.
[07:56] Mike: Yeah, there's often some kind of texture and I'm not my general impression is that's not ultraim important. Yeah, a feeling of fullness I think being more important generally but it's interesting. It is notable that they would have added that detail which I actually I have to say makes me again. Think it's more like.
[08:01] Keith: Right? Yeah, okay.
[08:15] Mike: Trying to go for some sort of religious then practical I think practically speaking you would just want something that fills you know that goes in and it's the right size and it's smooth. So yeah tricky.
[08:23] Keith: Yeah I mean what they really want is a vibrator but they were these if these are 28000 years old they were twenty seven thousand nine hundred and fifty years away from. Really need it.
[08:41] Mike: I don't know I think you could I saw a porn with 2 women. Well it's not a vibbra where one of the women was using a paintbrush on the clit of the other and that seemed like it could be compelling like that that like the tip of the paintbrush and that could be made prehistorically with like um you know some kind of like.
[08:48] Keith: Um.
[08:54] Keith: It could straw blades of grass or animal hair animal hair. Yeah.
[08:59] Mike: Ah, horsehair or sure I think it's typically hair. Yeah, um, and then ah vibrating like there are probably ways to produce vibration whether it's like some sort of musical instrument or like something involving a water wheel. It's not impossible.
[09:12] Keith: I Think it is effectively impossible. You need small vibrations and they need to be pretty rapid so water wheels not going to work for that.
[09:26] Mike: That's sort of interesting. So you think that a woman pre say women pre say eighteen fifty there was just no like there was no woman who knew how do you think vibration was discovered then like what would your thought be as like an effective means you think.
[09:39] Keith: I don't know like I mean there's a lot of things like the man who ate the first chicken egg what was he thinking? ah.
[09:47] Mike: That's a little more obvious because animals I mean like ah like a yeah like a what is it the Fox in the hen house or what if I guess they're eating the hen but you know what I mean there are animals that eat eggs. So you'd figure it out.
[09:53] Keith: Um I think women when you see women masturbate. They'll often move their hand very quickly over their clit. So I think as soon as like electric as soon as electric motors became a thing I think it was.
[10:02] Mike: You? okay.
[10:09] Keith: Ah, hop skip and a jump to vibrators.
[10:10] Mike: So your guess is that sometime in say eighteen ninety or 1880 sometime in that time for maybe between 1880 and 1900 was the first time a woman was vibrated in the world.
[10:24] Keith: I Guess I am hypothesizing that? Yeah I think Motors came substantially before that though, right? Well not ah, not ah, not electric motors. But.
[10:32] Mike: I'm just I'm just yeah, let's say broadly broadly I'm not sure. No it would be electric. They they were electrifying stuff in New York City before that I think sure that's true. But so I'm going to go with I think that it's likely it happened far before that.
[10:38] Keith: I Know but not that that long before that.
[10:48] Mike: Ah, either a chinese invention like their invention of the gun of gunpowder. It wouldn't have been electric. It would have been some sort of like very clever mechanical device or even like Greek Roman that far back I've got to think someone figured this out like even think about an an egg beater. Ah now you wouldn't want an egg beater pressed against your clit.
[10:51] Keith: Um, yeah.
[10:59] Keith: Um, yeah, you're you're probably right? you mean the you mean the mechanical egg beater Yeah to create vibration. Yeah.
[11:08] Mike: But yeah, that's right like that device could be made something like that could be made where you turn a knob and yeah and I mean the the thing I have a suspicion that women ah gosh It's hard to know like before the modern World If a woman would Know. Vibration was effective certainly in the modern world I think women you know there's like the rope in gym class they're sitting on the the bus on the like this. What is it the school bus and the and if you sit on the seat that's above the wheel.
[11:34] Keith: Ah, right, right? you get but extra vibration. Yeah.
[11:40] Mike: Yeah, or the Subway car. Whatever like there are these things that give girls like some instant some inkling. There's something special there but I've got to think there's some prehistoric or like pre-modern version of that. Oh yeah, like ah like actually like oh oh like what about a horse I I actually know I've known a woman who told me that when she's rides horses. And she told me that she'd had an orgasm before riding a horse bareback now she could have been lying not stated but I'm assuming not but that would that matter if you're wearing like because I mean typically you'd wear tight fitting. Yeah.
[12:04] Keith: Huh was she also naked.
[12:15] Keith: Yeah, Genes or whatever. Yeah, ah, that's not really vibrating is that's more smashing.
[12:19] Mike: So this is going to be kind of like something kind of vibrating on that area I don't know exactly what was happening I could sort of reluctant to go ask her because it's been some time but we could do some research in this area. Yeah.
[12:26] Keith: I Don't either.
[12:34] Keith: Ah, for science Mike All right. Let's let's let's move on here. Ah I wanted to briefly talk about this Yoni egg. So I met a per yanni I don't know how to renounce this I met a person on a dating app.
[12:39] Mike: But it seems possible Anyway, sure.
[12:47] Mike: Um, it's it's yoni. There was a friend of our family had her daughter when she was like between age 2 and 6 called the vagina the yoni.
[12:57] Keith: Okay.
[13:01] Mike: It was sort of irritating because it's like that's what she thought the word was for it and it's like okay so we have to use this euphemistic language like I'm not really a fan of that but I went along with it. Not that it came up that often listeners. But I mean it coupled like twice. It happened whatever Why are you touching my yoni.
[13:02] Keith: Right.
[13:07] Keith: Yeah.
[13:16] Keith: Right? right? Ah yeah I think children often come up with sort of fake words and then the parents will I mean if the child comes up with their own constructed language word.
[13:24] Mike: It was the mom. It was the mom that did it was it? yeah.
[13:32] Keith: A lot of times the parents will think it's cute. You know if they mispronounce spaghetti or something gaspetti or you know, whatever it is and then like the parents think it's cute and then it becomes like part of the family's vocabulary and that bothers me for some reason. Um.
[13:34] Mike: Yeah.
[13:44] Mike: Yeah, but this was definitely the mom being overbearing Bay Area mom pushing some language on a cable. Let's talk about the Yony egg.
[13:54] Keith: Right? So this person told me that they're like a sexual healing coach or something she says I help women with sexual healing and sexual awakening I lead 1 and 1 And group courses with the Jade Egg So that caused me to ah yeah, um, but I've not met. Ah so anyway I looked up the Jade Egg and then.
[14:15] Mike: And this is someone you talked to okay. Um, okay.
[14:27] Keith: Thing that I linked to you and and we'll provide those dear listeners in the show notes is a ah jade egg or ah or a yoni egg from goop.com which is goingice Gwyneth Paltrows ah what would you call it a wire cutter for ah. Coastal elites.
[14:48] Mike: Um, yeah, it's like it's like everything costs $500 or more in in case, you aren't aware Gwyneth Paltrow was the actress in Shakespeare in love and I think it's done nothing since but somehow is still in the public consciousness because of our marriage to the cold placing or et cetera is that right.
[15:01] Keith: I think that ah well I mean it is true. She was in Shakespeare in love. In fact, did she win an oscar for that now there is something that she is much better known for. Do you not know you probably don't know it is she was in all of the avengers movies she was Tony Starks
[15:06] Mike: I Think that's it whatever but I think that was it What oh my she was who who's that.
[15:18] Keith: Assistant pepper pots pepper pots. That's her name. She's Tony Stark iron man's assistant I'm sorry I'm sorry listen like our listeners. Our listeners are generally not in their 40 s and fifty s and so I mean Shakespeare Love came out what in the 90 s at some point like.
[15:28] Mike: Yeah, how many of those movies have you.
[15:38] Keith: Most of our listeners probably weren't even porn when that came out.
[15:42] Mike: Um, watch shake a the avengers movies are just absolute crap and I I hesitate to ask but how many avengers movies have you seen Keith how many um are they really? you've got to be kidding me is that true.
[15:47] Keith: I think they're up into the 40 s now I believe so yeah yeah yeah that well not and the mc you movies marvel comic universe yeah I think they're up into the 40 s and if you include episodes of Tv shows like.
[16:02] Mike: Wow.
[16:06] Keith: Maybe hundreds in any case I watched them pretty religiously up until ah, the Thanos ones did you and.
[16:06] Mike: So how many how many of those 40 of you think you've seen.
[16:19] Mike: No I don't I mean Thanos is probably gonna have something to do with death because of I just know the word. But yeah, okay.
[16:23] Keith: He was the villain played by Josh Brolin I believe and the plot of 1 of the movies was he had to acquire. He did something called the snap and he snaps his fingers. And half of all living organisms in the universe die and this is the the end of 1 of the movies. It's like a cliffhanger. So so half the avengers die half of all of the superheroes die half of all humans it was unclear if it applied to bacteria or various ecosystem concerns.
[17:01] Mike: It's all the universe though does it have it instantly. But I mean wait on hang on hang on I have a problem with that though because that would the the fact of that happening could only propagate at the speed of light so it couldn't happen instantly everywhere in the universe.
[17:02] Keith: Yes, and that was the end of that movie and you know it's a little bit.
[17:10] Keith: Mean I mean in a universe with Superheroes I think the laws of physics have already been and conceded So I'm not sure it would have to propagate at the speed of light but a question for the director.
[17:20] Mike: Um, okay, fine. Okay, so he snaps his finger. What happens to their bodies. Okay.
[17:28] Keith: Unclear I don't remember anyway and then at the end of the next movie. They somehow resurrect everybody and ah Tony Stark dies iron man dies and they do fucking 45 minutes of funeral and just tear jerking bullshit about Tony Stark in dead.
[17:46] Mike: Um, after they're resurrected.
[17:47] Keith: Well no, he dies they resurrect everybody and then there's some final battle an iron man dies. But the irony of like the previous movie ending I don't know irony that the the ah inconsistency of the previous movie half of all organisms of the universe dying and it just being like ok yeah, whatever and then when Tony Stark dies you know they're playing the Violin for 45 minutes was just anyway that was it for me. Ah, but yeah I but I probably watched 25 of them I know like look I'm not proud I did this whole story because I know it's preposterous. There were hundreds of reasons to dismiss these movies much sooner than that.
[18:12] Mike: Um, okay, it that was it for you That was it for you. You didn't yeah yeah.
[18:23] Mike: Yeah, this doesn't sound like the godfather it sounds like something less quality than that. Ok so so Gwyneth Paltrow was in shakespearean love and then in like some sort of series of just absolute.
[18:24] Keith: Ah.
[18:27] Keith: Yes, these are not the cinematic cinematic masterpieces.
[18:37] Mike: Trash movies that people should be ashamed of themselves for having watched and now makes jade eggs on some website called goop that probably cost sixty to eighty dollars even though the materials to make them probably cost $5
[18:41] Keith: Right? Let me see how much this this jade egg is $66 but it's on a final sale and is nonreturnable now for our listeners that don't know what a yoni egg Jade Egg is that it's nonreturnable should. Pretty well. Well okay, here's what a yoni egg is a yoni egg harnesses the power of energy work crystal healing and a cagle like physical practice insert the egg into your vagina and feel the connection with your body by squeezing and releasing the egg how to use step 1 wash your egg all right? Let it let it cool that's good good tip um letting it cool. Yeah step 2 gently insert the egg into your vagina like you would a tampon the slightly larger side of the egg first work your pelvic floor and feel the connection with your body by squeezing and releasing the egg you might begin with a 10 to 15 minute session if comfortable.
[19:20] Mike: Seriously.
[19:30] Mike: Okay.
[19:38] Keith: Built up a practice if it brings you joy and well-being in you and then step 3 clean the egg again. So you're supposed to clean it before and after use now Mike what is this even hypothetically doing forget the the energy healing and the the crystal bullshit. What. What muscle is being exercised here and what potential benefit might that have to either the woman or her partner.
[20:04] Mike: It's It's really hard to to to you know exclude the benefits of the crystal healing in the new age I mean it depends on what your what your zodiac sign is matters a lot here.
[20:10] Keith: I know I know we're We're really let left with very little here.
[20:20] Mike: I learned that my zodiac sign is one of the more lovable Zodiac signs yours of course one of the least um and ah so it goes along with that. But this this is going to be something that a woman might do for urinary urinary Incompet incontinence. Sorry.
[20:23] Keith: That's great.
[20:36] Keith: It helps with it or helps helps you be more incontinent or.
[20:39] Mike: And yeah, know it would help with it I mean you're you're you're basically working your pelvic floor muscles which is not. There's nothing wrong with that it you can do that as a man by the way too. I mean it's just sort of you can tense up the muscle that you use to stop the flow of urine. Um, obviously yeah, no, no, not bear down. But.
[20:49] Keith: Just right bear down. Okay, we have.
[20:59] Mike: Bearing down is like you're pushing poop out. We've discussed this before this is the thing that's stopping the poops you you're slamming your anus shut. So let's say you're in prison and you don't want to be raped to that one. Yeah that the pucker the pucker exactly bearing down is what you would do if you were going to go ahead and let.
[21:07] Keith: Yeah, right? Okay, don't bear down. That's the opposite. Okay.
[21:17] Mike: Bearing down is what is recommended more or less when receiving anal sex in any event. Um, yeah in any event for a woman. Yeah I mean it's more relevant as an exercise for 2 reasons one because of incontinence so you can sort of.
[21:18] Keith: Thanks for the tip so to speak.
[21:34] Mike: Think tighten up the muscles around there and maybe improve your bladder control and the second one is for increased muscularity during sex like is a real I mean I think that's a real thing.
[21:42] Keith: Okay, increased muscularity during sex. Can we.
[21:47] Mike: You know, increased ability to sort of squeeze his penis. You know.
[21:51] Keith: That implies that there are material differences in perceived tightness from Vagina to vagina.
[22:01] Mike: I think that a woman who I mean I okay I don't have any scientific data on this but I have it makes sense to me and I have every indication that there are things a woman can do that like say, let's say that you put a you had a device that would measure how tightly is it's being squeezed that was say. 2 finger widths across and you could put them in different women's vaginas. They could change that across say sixty days through some sort of course of exercise like I my my impression is that is actually true I don't have any I can't give you hard data on it though.
[22:22] Keith: Um.
[22:28] Keith: Okay, so I ah when I am inside a woman and she clenches I can feel it but a woman doesn't spend much of a sexual encounter clenching and an analogy here might be when I'm hard I can sort of like.
[22:37] Mike: Yes.
[22:47] Keith: Use some muscles in my groin to like basically make my my dick bounce can like sort of spring up or whatever but I don't do that while when I'm inside of a woman I'm sure if I did she could feel it and I'm sure if I exercised that muscle I could make it more I don't know maybe more pronounced.
[22:53] Mike: Um, the.
[23:06] Keith: Ah, get a bigger bounce but I don't I don't think that's particularly useful while while having sex and so for a woman to improve these clenching muscles I just I mean what percentage I mean a woman can do it. It's sort of an interesting party trick while having sex but but she can't like maintain it. For long enough and I'm not even sure if like making it so that it's hard to you know move my penis in and out is desirable in the first place.
[23:33] Mike: I don't think you can make it hard but I want to I want to? so yeah so 1 thing that you said actually I think corrects something that I said earlier it is true I think that these muscles are the same muscles that are involved in male erection ejaculation stuff. So like so that that is like ah ah, there would be a male sort of analog to the um that the the female.
[23:50] Keith: Ah.
[23:54] Mike: Ah, vaginal tightness or something so that's a good point. Ah, 1 thing that I don't think you're quite right about is you're talking you so you're thinking in terms of the guy purposely kind of willing his penis to kind of bounce or be tighter or whatever and that's the thing you can kind of do and it's the same muscles that are tensed during orgasm right.
[24:11] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[24:13] Mike: Agree on that like you're you're just sort of yeah um, one thing that I don't know if you've noticed or not is that when you masturbate it's more noticeable when you masturbate sure it's true when you're DoingPiV sex or getting a blowjob or something um those muscles tense. Also. You know, maybe there's other stuff going on. So Maybe a little bit difficult for you to notice it. But I think if you pay attention carefully to what your penis is doing when you stroke it and then stop I think you'll notice that there is. It's not to the same degree but there is a certain amount of tensing of the of that musculature that takes place when you start rubbing and so.
[24:44] Keith: Okay.
[24:48] Mike: That suggests to me. There may also be an and I don't know again I have no data on this but there may be an ambient sort of Tighttan tightness or some kind of a bear ah tightening of those muscles that happens on the female side when you start having P I v okay.
[24:52] Keith: This is this is exactly where I wanted to go here. Can a woman do something that increases the passive tightness of her vagina.
[25:06] Mike: Um, it seems possible because by analogy and again I don't really know and I'm not sure how you would even in a principled way measure this but it I can tell you that for my body. Yeah, there is some sort of muscular to change that is provocable. I'm sure a woman would detect while giving a hand jobb or a blowjob. Maybe not PIV because it gets like something tighttans when I start Matt you know when you start the action and it loosens up when you stop the action and it's not ah voluntary and I've just noticed it before when paying attention.
[25:35] Keith: My intuition here. My intuition here is that I don't even exactly know what you're describing there like in my yeah.
[25:38] Mike: I Don't know if it sounds like maybe you have not noticed that.
[25:46] Mike: I'm just saying that when you start stroking your guy's penis. It gets like it gets a little more erect at that period and it's actually so the guy can feel it if you if you can sort of detach. There's like multiple of sensations going on at once. But if you can sort of focus on that taint area mentally and sort of say am I more tense in that area.
[25:56] Keith: Yeah.
[26:03] Mike: Right now than I was 5 seconds ago you are and it's not on. Okay, go ahead. What what do you think is the right unit. No pass it when you're but when you're actually start. Let's say you have an erection but then you go back and forth between rubbing your penis and not I'm saying that ah that.
[26:03] Keith: I think 5 seconds is the wrong unit of time. But yeah, well oh you mean when I'm orgasming or just passively when I'm aroused.
[26:22] Mike: Ah, musculature gets tighter when you start rubbing that's that's what I'm saying it's and so I could see an analogy. It is tricky and I but I've paid attention to this carefully at least in my body I'm quite confident that takes place and it's sort of interesting because it's like you.
[26:24] Keith: Oh I don't know maybe yeah, ah dispassionately removing The the feelings is a little bit tricky. Okay.
[26:41] Mike: There's this tightening that happens and I'm sure that women can detect it because they don't have all those other sensations to you know contend with so they can say Oh yeah, when I do this Titans I'm sure women would agree with this in general.
[26:43] Keith: Yeah.
[26:52] Keith: Um, I mean if it is true I mean that if it is true that there are material differences in tightness in women's vaginas and it's true that it matters and it's true that you can train it to be.
[27:07] Mike: Who.
[27:10] Keith: Better. Ah, then why isn't this like some sort of like international bestseller. Maybe it is.
[27:18] Mike: Well okay, couple things the the second thing you said whether it matters that one I think is extremely debatable because right I think it's it's kind of a minimal delta that yeah is not super important.
[27:25] Keith: I Don't think it does. Ah yeah.
[27:35] Mike: Um, in terms of that bests seller look the the kegel sorry the the the Yoni egg is kind of irrelevant right? That's just some nonsense. She's selling you. You can do this without jamming something up your vagina you can just do it without. It's not relevant.
[27:46] Keith: It sounds like you're supposed to use your muscles to help this egg like shimmy up and shimmy down but there's not there's there's not enough copy here to know exactly what's being prescribed.
[27:55] Mike: Um, yeah, it's like Ben waballs or whatever look you can ah I used to have a set of um.
[28:04] Mike: You know those balls you can get in Chinatown that you like put in your hand and you can roll them around and there's like a ball and there's another ball inside and it kind of jingles when it and you can do it with those too and those are really cheap. Of course they probably I mean I'm certain they're just painted with lead. There's probably just a maid of lead painted with lead.
[28:09] Keith: No no. Ah.
[28:21] Mike: So that's a little bit of a downside. There's probably maybe there's liquid mercury rate on them for all I know but ah the point is you don't need a $60 item to do this. You could yeah.
[28:25] Keith: Oh yeah, I mean there's the the the those tie sex shows where they do something similar with ping pong balls right.
[28:35] Mike: Yeah, there you go and I don't really know that a an object is necessary because the object would just be indicating whether you're tensing the muscle and I don't think that's actually that ambiguous like it's people know how to tense that muscle because they know how to finish pooping like.
[28:47] Keith: Right? right? All right? Let's move on I Want to talk about sex painting. Um this person says has anyone else tried sex painting with their partner sex painting or love painting.
[28:52] Mike: Ah, confusing.
[29:05] Keith: Prefer sex painting is when you and your partner make make love on a large blank canvas covered in paint then you frame it and hang it in your house. Ah, my wife and I tried it after being inspired by this blog post I feel like not many people know about it despite it being crazy fun invigorating an intimate experience with your partner.
[29:12] Mike: Um, and.
[29:23] Keith: So learned a ton from doing it our first time and I wanted to give my advice so they go on. They've cleared the Saturday they sent their kids to the grandparents. They got intimate items such as wine candles, music toys and takeout. Ah and then they talk about keeping things clean by like getting you know putting a tarp down and then. Yeah I guess you just basically get a canvas and then they have some sort of body safe paint does this sound compelling at all this sounds like a ah nightmare to me I don't know what.
[29:52] Mike: It sounds like something that a guy would do to convince a woman to have sex. He's trying to like make it more interesting and like I mean I of course clicked on the link we you know the Reddit post for this this is from will be on in the show notes. But I mean the painting I see doesn't look like something majoring sex like.
[29:57] Keith: Yeah.
[30:10] Mike: I would expect the typical painting generated this way to just be basically a big picture of the chick's ass right? I mean realistically that would be the typical or like yeah you could ever ask and then like to to.
[30:18] Keith: Ah, yeah, they were admissary right? Yeah and the ads just her sliding back and forth a little bit.
[30:28] Mike: Things next to it that are her knees when when you did it in doggy like it's not I mean I don't I think it's the point being that I think it would sort of leave little to the imagination like it's not yeah I mean there's only a few possible things that could be on it and they'll either be just sort of nothing this painting they're showing I mean if people want to look they can click on it like.
[30:31] Keith: Ah, yeah, yeah.
[30:48] Mike: Just looks like a modernist kind of tiedye. That's all blue with some lines drawn across it like it doesn't look anything like sex to me. Well those? Yeah okay.
[30:53] Keith: Yeah I think if you Smosh around enough. It's going to make whatever it reminds me, there's there's ah my family lives in Pittsburgh and there's a zoo there that has actually it's an aviary that has sloths for some reason. Ah, anyway, these sloths do paintings that they sell in the gift store. And yeah I mean they're not super I mean if you like abstract art. Maybe you can divine some meaning from them. But they're not particularly yeah, they're unimpressive I would say.
[31:14] Mike: Are.
[31:26] Mike: Um, they're non non-representational. Yeah.
[31:30] Keith: But yeah, they make a killing selling these sloth paintings. Especially if you can watch the sloth doing the painting that that you buy Anyway, this just sort of looks like that it's it's it's garbage I am reminded my my freshman year of College. Ah, some guys hired a stripper to come. And this was you know, very exciting stuff for us because most of us were 18 I was 17 at the time. So. It's probably not even legally allowed to be in the room with the stripper. But yeah, she came into one of my buddies dorm rooms and.
[31:49] Mike: Um, ah.
[32:07] Keith: She had some glow in the dark paint that she put on her breasts and then she's she's stamped posters basically for like all of us in the room and and we all hungg him up in our dorm rooms for you know the months after that I thought that was a pretty good gimmick.
[32:24] Mike: Um, what? So let me understand this so it was glow in the dark does that mean the lights were off.
[32:27] Keith: Ah I don't remember if while she was doing the painting. The lights are off I don't I don't remember there was not of course I would say that if there were but there wasn't.
[32:34] Mike: I'm trying to understand whether there was a circle jerk. Okay, and ah yeah, she just danced around to bushy full net full nude. How much of this cost I mean this doesn't sound like a very good deal. Okay.
[32:43] Keith: She was not I don't remember I I think I was not terribly enthusiastic about this because I had never seen a stripper before I was kind of a square in college and so I was like you know what? if the R a finds Out. We're going to get in troubled. Maybe this will go on our permanent Record. You know I was probably being that kind of worry wart. But in the end, my hormones got the better of me and I and I went in anyway, it was but we were separated by floor and so I don't remember.
[33:05] Mike: A.
[33:14] Mike: Um, was it. It was a coed dorm right? okay.
[33:21] Keith: I Think the girls I mean the girls found out and then they were kind of annoyed and disgusted which is probably a fair response.
[33:29] Mike: To me that will to me that would be I mean I think in the in this day and age the that would be the great fear is ah some kind of it's not me tooing but something like that right that you you somehow be are culpable of some kind of mild sex crime for doing this.
[33:40] Keith: Yeah, yeah I would expect that this kind of thing would carry a lot more risk than it did back then.
[33:48] Mike: Yeah, like in kind of irrationally. So I mean but yeah, like oh you've exploited her who is this person.
[33:52] Keith: I Mean what? if what if a fraternity had a stripper come and then like some of the brothers complained that they were they were made to feel sexually uncomfortable and I can imagine some sort of disciplinary action coming because of that.
[34:06] Mike: Yeah I don't a I have no idea how that kind of thing would be managed now I But the only thing anything is it would be managed badly. But okay so she had glow in the dark and she made. So yeah, that sounds like a better a better was it obvious on these posters If that's what they were.
[34:22] Keith: Yeah, yeah, it was basically you've seen in porn when the woman's in ah in a shower with a glass door and she smashes her ass or her her boobs against the against the glass and it it kind of get pressed up. Yeah it it left that kind of impression but there was a pronounced nipple.
[34:26] Mike: Um.
[34:31] Mike: Yeah.
[34:39] Keith: Nipples knows we were all we were all pretty proud I think at some point we had to take down the posters I mean this was like a coup getting this getting this done I mean we needed somebody I think who is 21 to to order her in the first place and you know and then we had to like.
[34:42] Mike: Um, I mean that feels.
[34:56] Keith: Get the money together. You know none of us had that much. Anyway, we we were you know Intrepid young men and and made it happen.
[35:03] Mike: It's pretty impressive. That's a pretty impressive thing you pulled off there. Ah yeah, but of course the important thing here is so I mean this is like yeah you're looking here for the female equivalent of a guy wanting to have porns running in the background or I like. I've suggested to people because there's a lot of negatives about say Chatterbait these camsites but 1 of the positives is that most of the time the top one of the say one of the top 3 acts on Chatterbait at all at all times is a somewhere between. Totally dressed and totally undressed, but not like with a fuck machine fucking her up the ass like it's not really hardcore but just like very young and attractive woman and and when I say top I just mean the one the one if you go to Chatterbait or one of these sites like the top slots are are typically occupied by just whoever has the most viewers.
[35:45] Keith: Yeah.
[35:56] Mike: So I've thought oh you could have you could imagine having like a Tv in your house or in your room or whatever that just has this running all the time and like you could somebody could it could be arranged so that the feed is never the the fuck machine or like the eastern european chicken getting plowed by 7 guys or that woman in Columbia who and people who. Watch chatterbate like I do know what I'm talking about who's in that room that looks like a kitchen and there's like 3 guys kind of circulating around and they just slap their dicks on her face all the time like that. Not that 1 right? Just like the really pretty girl who's in her seemingly in her bedroom and like undresses than redresses and people give her tips and like you could imagine having a Tv.
[36:20] Keith: So I've.
[36:26] Keith: Yeah.
[36:34] Mike: All the time that has that running and I think though basically every guy I've said this idea to makes fun of me I actually think a substantial percentage of guys would enjoy having that on available on Tv Maybe I'm wrong. That's a male thought kind of thing a woman wants this weird abstract painting that they can like say oh that I it's like secret. It's like oh that I know that was made by sex. But no one else coming to our house knows that or something or that that's what they're looking for right? is this thing that has a memory attached but is hidden and that's not at all what a guy wants I think.
[36:53] Keith: Yeah, yeah. Yeah I was trying to think if the trophy of this I mean if if I made it with like a super hot woman. It might be like an interesting trophy I guess but it wouldn't have any intrinsic value to me.
[37:16] Mike: Um.
[37:18] Mike: Yeah, because it's well I mean for a woman though you see it's like a science like a secret symbol of your coupling or some crap like that something that I have trouble not having contempt for.
[37:22] Keith: I see I see so you put yeah you put this up in your living room and you like dare people to ask you what it is.
[37:33] Mike: They wouldn't even want that they just didnt know it's just us. It's our special thing. No.
[37:37] Keith: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, Let's move on. Um, this one is weird I think we don't need to discuss this for too long, but ah, you have more. It's it's about anal but you have a little bit more of.
[37:49] Mike: Um, said analingus. Ah, okay.
[37:54] Keith: Andtuition about this than me boyfriend pleasures my ass but I didn't realize he actually fingers me. My boyfriend is 23 s and I 21 we're talking about our sex when we are doing doggy I ask him to stimulate my butthole by rubbing it with his thumb. We've never had anal never had anal because I don't think I'm prepared to take it up there.
[38:08] Mike: Okay.
[38:14] Keith: But I'm down for the idea he just told me while he stimulates my ass that he actually slips in his thumb. This really surprised me because I've never felt him put it in there. We have laughed so hard because I thought he was lying New Swash He Maybe he may well be but he can actually put his thumb in there I Seriously don't think he was able to do it. This has been going on for months and I didn't realize he assumed that I really liked having his thumb in there because I would keep asking him to stimulate it. But I just didn't realize he actually puts puts his thumb in there by the way I'm comfortable with him doing it I'm just more surprised that I couldn't feel it in me. Oh yeah, the consent police probably came along in the comments here. So. That's why she.
[38:53] Mike: Um, right a little bit.
[38:53] Keith: Edited that in ah she asks is it weird I couldn't feel his thumb in me. So my intuition is if someone was pushing on or around my asshole versus going you know half a knuckle deep with their thumb I would ah. Would be able to tell the difference between those 2 things like I would have before I read this I would have been certain of it and I'm still as a bayesian I've adjusted my prior but I'm still pretty sure that I would be able to feel it. What is what are your feelings here.
[39:23] Mike: Yeah I mean I so I think a man would I mean there are yeah there are 2 Yeah, there are 2 sphincters there right? There is the 1 you have more conscious control over than the one that's sort of unconsciously controlled that's further in.
[39:26] Keith: But man would you think there's a sex difference here.
[39:38] Keith: Is that true. There's like 2 locks I didn't know that. Okay.
[39:38] Mike: And so you'd be wondering. What's being penetrated there. But regardless, yes, yes, that's why like you can you can be in 1 in a very uncomfortable situation where the the inner lock that your body First of all, you can have a situation where you're pretty sure you need to go to the bathroom but you can't get it out and that can relate to. For whatever reason like the the one you don't have complete conscious control over what's going on there. Um, of course you can always sort of Jack it open with your hand or a device if you need to um, but ah or someone else's hand or tongue or whatever but the um.
[40:02] Keith: Ah.
[40:06] Keith: Of course.
[40:16] Mike: You can also be in the uncomfortable situation where the inner one starts opening and then then then you're in what I would typically consider an emergency where you're like the only thing between your poop and the outside world is like the consciously controlled sphincter that you're madly holding closed with your all your might and that's.
[40:31] Keith: Ah, okay, and you're going to. You're going to speculate the distance between the inner and outer is.
[40:36] Mike: Oh it's very small, very minor and so yeah, so so I mean look it's possible that he's mistaken about what he's doing. But I think it's more likely that this relates to a gender difference where because women are being penetrated in sex and the organs are closer together.
[40:55] Keith: Um.
[40:56] Mike: I Think that the I I think it's true that these is the stimulations can get kind of mixed and confusing. It's not as I mean look think about it this way like if the primary stimulation you get as a mandering sex is on the head of your penis. Well for me at least the head of my penis is like.
[41:07] Keith: Mmm.
[41:12] Mike: And don't know 27 Twenty Eight inches away from my anus. Okay ha now let's say it's but it's probably 12 ah twelve inches maybe something I mean it's it's yeah, it's a significant distance from my anus. So while I have an erection. It's pretty far.
[41:14] Keith: Naha.
[41:20] Keith: Ah, ahead of your penis from the entrance to your anus. Okay, yeah, all right? Yeah, Okay, but what's the point here.
[41:31] Mike: I mean if you figure your taint is like four or five inches and then whatever of your penises so might be a foot. The point is that like the you know the neural stimuli are kind of far from each other for a man whereas for a woman particularly if you're not talking about the clit like I don't think she's going to confuse the clit with the anus. But.
[41:40] Keith: Oh I see.
[41:48] Mike: But if you take a woman and you blindfolder and you are playing around in that area. It might be difficult for her to know whether you're pushing down in her vagina or up in her anus a little bit I mean obviously if it gets big and rough and stuff. It's not going to be confusing but like for something like a thumb that's pretty small. And it's lubricated like yeah I think it could be a little ambiguous for her so it just feels like pressure and stuff like that and you don't have once you get a little bit inside the body. You don't have that much tactile sensation Anyway. Otherwise like you don't feel as you're. Pooping You don't feel every nook and cranny of the crap going through your rectum right? You just sort of feel a fullness right? Sadly, of course it would be pretty cool to feel every crater of the feces.
[42:23] Keith: Right? right? Yeah, okay.
[42:34] Keith: Do you think that there is only a sex difference here or do you think this woman might be particularly oblivious or insensitive. Is it insensitive or unsensitive I Think unsensitive. Yeah, yeah, yeah I didn't know if unsensitive was a word.
[42:47] Mike: Unsensitive insensitive would be like uncaring right? but the yet. Well, it's not really, it's not common. It's okay, though. Yeah I mean I think that she's ah I I would think that a woman could differentiate these things I Just think it's.
[43:04] Mike: I mean I've encountered this kind of thing somewhat frequently where a woman's like not totally sure what's going on in that region and I think it's just I mean the distance between the absolute bottom of her vulva and her anus is like a centimeter. So yeah I mean it can be a little tricky like you can. Yeah.
[43:15] Keith: Yeah, you can imagine confusion and sensation.
[43:23] Mike: And so she's just she just generally feels sort of full she knows he's touching her anus the thing She's a little confused about is like whether she's touching it or whether he's put something that's frankly, not very big now if he put his penis in there I think then yeah, it'd be pretty clear.
[43:27] Keith: Right.
[43:33] Keith: Yeah I mean we've been setting aside that this could all be him gaslighting her so that he can sodomize her.
[43:40] Mike: Right? But I mean general if if also like I mean I've I think read things from women where they say if they've been double penetrated bait say by a dildo and a penis or 2 do dildos or whatever it can be a little unclear to them which one's moving like they don't exactly know what's going on I mean once you have once you've sort of.
[43:50] Keith: Yeah.
[43:58] Mike: Gone through the process of taking the larger object. It's like exactly like it's not totally clear. What's going on which makes sense to me I mean there's not. It's all kind of in the same area.
[43:58] Keith: Being stretched out right? Yeah, all right? Let's move on because I want to talk about sex chemicals all right? So I have 2 things each about a paragraph each that I want to read all right first one. Says my wife has gone sex crazy my wife and I have been together for 25 years we've always had pretty good sex life about four months ago she started bioidentical hormone replacement therapy testosterone she has turned into a nymfo. It's unbelievable. She wants sex all the time 2 to 3 times a day for hours on. It's the most incredible thing ever.
[44:28] Mike: Do.
[44:38] Keith: New kinks are showing up or having massive amounts of anal sex gosh has this ever opened up a new reality for us I think you mean to say even anyone else experienced the same. What have you guys done to take things to a new level now that my life wife is basically up for anything all right. That's person 1 person 2 girlfriend is taking steroids and becoming the man between us. Ah, girlfriend and I are both into fitness, not long ago. She started bodybuilding which I support fully. She started using steroids which I still support. But it's having an effect on our sex life. She's becoming extremely dominant in and out of the bedroom to the point where I just feel emasculated. Sometimes I've talked her about it. But it seems almost like she gets off out of vasculating these sometimes.
[45:16] Mike: Her clit her clit is slowly growing. It's going to become the size of China's pretty soon.
[45:19] Keith: The top comment in all seriousness issues likely on Avanna or kle if it's having those side effects. The dosage is likely too high and all seriousness has her clit enlarged more hair. How's her blood work. How long is hercycle and how deep into it is she anyway I don't I don't know.
[45:35] Mike: These Steroid people you know like this is I mean there are subreddits for this I can't name them off for you because I haven't read any of them recently I'm I've never ah Parttakeen in any of these drugs but like steroids are extremely common.
[45:42] Keith: Ah.
[45:49] Mike: Like basically if you see a guy in the gym who looks kind of a little too muscular. He's on steroids like the odds are basically a hundred percent oh yeah oh yeah I mean yeah, like it's it's well you can just read. You can find so much information about this crap online.
[45:52] Keith: Me think that's ockham's razor hu.
[46:06] Mike: Ah, people are able to get these drugs whether they're overseas or whatever they're not. It's not they're controlled but they're not controlled like if you were trying to bring in you know, but oxycon or something. Yeah, of course I mean they.
[46:11] Keith: Are they bad for you. Why.
[46:23] Mike: Well, there are all sorts of problems I'm not I'm not I'm not a good I don't want to like name off things.
[46:23] Keith: I mean I look I obviously know the psas we've all seen and read and heard about the various terrible side effects of taking steroids. But ah I'm not I don't know how to vet whether or not those things are true or not.
[46:33] Mike: Um, yeah.
[46:42] Keith: Like can you is there. Some amount of Steroid taking that can make you a substantially healthier person I could imagine it being the case that there is.
[46:47] Mike: I don't know the answer I mean because like with biological systems. Yeah with biological systems. It's always hard to answer questions like that I mean look Arnold Schwarzenegger's still alive and that guy took a lot of steroids right? Probably he might still you know.
[46:57] Keith: Yeah, yeah, but that's this is just anecdote well in what up and and what about things like Hgh human growth hormone or testosterone like is there some amount that actually makes you healthier I mean we know that.
[47:04] Mike: Yeah, well, they're all going to be anecdata like that I mean.
[47:13] Mike: It just depends on what you know it's complicated because healthier is a really loaded term right? because you've got you know, let's say let's say I give you a drug that 95% chance will make you well let's say you took 1 of those like woogovi type drugs.
[47:16] Keith: A lot of people.
[47:28] Keith: Yeah, that's one of the glp you 1 inhibitor these weight these weight weight loss drugs that are very popular right now. O zempick is the other big one.
[47:31] Mike: So and like and let's this is not the case for those drugs but let's just say there was a drug like that yeah yeah that night and let's right? And yes and let's say that I told you there was a 95% chance it would lower your bmi to 22 or 21 and there was a 5% chance you would die.
[47:44] Keith: Um, ah I would be an increase and be a I for me.
[47:48] Mike: Instantly So is that a ah is that a is that improving your health or not that 5% chance you die like that's see this is the problem. It's like so if I told you that hgh and testosterone increase your cancer risk like does that. Is that Okay I mean because if you don't get cancer. Yeah I may have helped you I look I mean smoking might help you if you don't get cancer. Yeah.
[48:08] Keith: Okay, let me rephrase the question let me rephrase the question I know there are side effects of taking drugs. Ah, there's side effects of not taking drugs the side effects of ah steroids in particular. Are so well known and so scare tacticed that I I suspect that the reality is somewhere a little bit different from there and yeah, like if if you're a person who goes to the gym five days a week is there some light steroid schedule.
[48:31] Mike: Um.
[48:45] Keith: Can get on that will make your gym results better your probability of getting injured a little bit less and your recovery time a little bit shorter I don't know I'm I'm just speculating here. Um I yeah.
[48:54] Mike: Probably but it would have some kind of side. It would have some risk of things like cancer or like thinning of certain tissue that you know that's true. No, that's true. That's true I'm not yeah, you don't yeah.
[49:02] Keith: Yes, but but so would being in less good shape right? So like it's it's hard to know what where things net out, um all right? Let's talk about the sex consequences here. So.
[49:13] Mike: That's true.
[49:18] Keith: You know I've read about roid rage. Ah, and you know people on steroids courses. Let's talk Abouteroids first then we'll get to testosterone I've read about Royid rage where you know men get ah much more irritable when they're on steroids courses to the point where they you know might be dangerous. There could be.
[49:26] Mike: Um, okay.
[49:37] Keith: More partner abuse and things like that. Um, but this this side effect that this man wrote about where his girlfriend is taking steroids and now she's I don't know she thinks he uses the word emasculating because she's trying to humiliate him in bed or she's becoming extremely dominant. In and out of the bedroom don't I don't care about the out part but the in part is is sort of interesting I'm I'm trying to imagine what? yeah the experience of of being someone that had like sort of the standard ah submissive woman partner for a decade and then you know suddenly she shows up and she's you know he man. And that sounds potentially as he says emasculating.
[50:22] Mike: Yeah, and I think it would be um, immediately see I think that a woman would be less reluctant than a man to act that out in certain ways because they've been socialized that.
[50:35] Mike: Basically a woman can do virtually anything sexually and be okay because female typically women are going to be more submissive and they're going to be less sort of forward sexually and so it's like they're not going to have a social taboo with their husband of sort of going for it in my view.
[50:52] Keith: Okay, you're you're saying a man might ask for consent and a woman because of various cultural and social factors might just do sure that might be right.
[50:52] Mike: So like when when they get those feelings like yeah, they'll probably kind of act it out.
[51:02] Mike: Yeah, for sure like they wouldn't see that as necessary. Yeah and the guy. Yeah, the guy who I don't know I mean yeah for a guy. It's a little bit different because if he's taking steroids. First of all I mean the reality is he'll probably get more access to women.
[51:19] Keith: Now. Potentially yeah.
[51:20] Mike: Because he'll be more more muscular and that's going to like raise his attractiveness. So I mean which is I don't know what percentage of guys you take streoids do it for that reason, but it's probably a lot ah just figure hey I get more pussy.
[51:30] Keith: Um, I mean there's some negative impacts like doesn't it supposedly shrink your balls and give you back knee and that kind of stuff.
[51:35] Mike: Yeah, but I mean maybe those are things the woman finds out with out finds out about after she's agreed she's gone down the sort of path with you? Um, but yeah I mean it makes sense to me that the woman would become more and I I mean yeah I've definitely read reports of women doing this like it's.
[51:41] Keith: Um, yeah.
[51:54] Mike: It's a little unusual for women to take steroids right? but ah the the hormone replacement thing is more common. It's kind of the same.
[51:56] Keith: I think it's yeah I mean all right? So maybe we should pivot to testosterone here. Um well I think the side effects of testosterone are less well known or at least less scare tactic publicized. Um, like I know a lot of men take testosterone especially as they age and they all sort of report the same thing though the person that I've heard talk about this the most is Andrew Sullivan he's a writer he writes for the New York Times in The Atlantic and he has a.
[52:32] Keith: Blog posts. Anyway, he's he's gay and he started taking testosterone like decades ago and he's written extensively about how it makes him feel and I think he gets an injection once a month or maybe it's once every two months and he talks about for the first day or 2 after his injection he has to be like. Pretty careful that if he's feeling ah like angry about something that he like needs to not act on it because it might just be the hormones and that sort of mindfulness about hormonal fluctuation is not something that men typically have to deal with and so.
[53:07] Mike: I Really I Really thought you were going to say that he has to like he like sets his iphone to block his grinder account. No joke I mean.
[53:08] Keith: His.
[53:15] Keith: Yeah, ah he he may have talked about that I haven't you know I've just heard him talk about it. You know briefly on a couple podcasts because when he gets interviewed people bring it up. Um, no, they bring up his openness to talking about.
[53:27] Mike: They bring up grinder.
[53:33] Keith: Hormone therapy.
[53:33] Mike: Okay, and in his what and he just it's because he got tested and he was low. Okay.
[53:40] Keith: Not sure I think he had h I v when he was younger or well yeah I think 1 person's been cured in the world of H I v right? or 2 now. Yeah, he's not one of those. Um.
[53:45] Mike: Um, he he probably still has it. Right? It's not many.
[53:57] Keith: Yeah, he contracted h iv I think in the late 80 s or or 90 s and late enough so that he was able to get on the cocktail that makes it so that it's not a ah death sentence anymore. But it might be related to something with that I'm I'm just not sure. Um, but this notion that.
[54:12] Mike: Um, okay.
[54:17] Keith: Taking this sort of male hormone can induce higher sex drive ah more explorative sexeeking behavior and these kinds of things I mean just from first principles. It just completely makes sense right. Ah, and so when when people this this person did this Reddit post has said you know his wife has gone sex crazy and you know 2 or 3 times a day for for hours at a time and new kinks are showing up. There are massive amounts of anal. Ah, it's not terribly surprising to hear that reported.
[54:51] Mike: It's a little so the massive amounts of anal didn't I didn't I'm not sure where that's coming from you think there must have been a kink she already had or an interest she already had or she's just using up one hole. Maybe yeah I mean the things I can say about the testosterone thing.
[54:56] Keith: Um, maybe or or maybe that maybe they're just explorative generally.
[55:08] Mike: Are let's see one is that ah, there's a report you can find on the internet. Maybe maybe it's multiple things that I've read where women talk about what it's like to have testosterone and ah to take testosterone and. How it's sort of like a revelation because most women have never experienced that kind of sex drive like like in some ways women may not really have a sex drive in the way men do without enough testosterone so like the argument being basically that this hormone is the thing that causes the sort of typical male behavior Second thing I would say is that I have had testosterone before like.
[55:32] Keith: Um.
[55:41] Mike: Ten plus years ago more than ten years ago because I went and like how to check up with the doctor. He's like oh your testosterone's low and they like did this thing and yeah I felt I mean yes yes I didn't get angry like the experience is like like you're just like ah.
[55:51] Keith: Um, yeah horny.
[55:57] Mike: Yeah, right I mean you're like I got to look at porn all the time or something like that. It's like it's really kind of complicated situation. Um, so I didn't find it particularly useful in that it. Yeah, it just created this like sort of weird imbalanced. Ah ah, experience for me.
[56:12] Keith: Yeah I feel plenty horny and plenty. Yeah, it's micro rejections every day. Yeah, it's already, but it's already consuming enough for me.
[56:15] Mike: Um.
[56:20] Mike: Um, it just made it all consuming. It made it So like yeah I don't really right? like I'm not sure how a person could function. It made it made it difficult a little bit difficult to function. It was not great in my experience. Yep.
[56:27] Keith: Um, if if you could push to simulate the female experience for a week would you would you.
[56:38] Mike: I think I've experienced that before because like I've I've had my sex drive completely evaporate for various reasons. Oh like. For example I just recently had um I took I had a ah a rash though I think is from incorrect levels of chemicals in my hot tub that I need to actually check today. Not very interesting.
[56:52] Keith: Ah, that's your newest theory. Okay.
[56:55] Mike: That's my newest theory I thought I'd gotten poison out but I think it's that and the reason why is that it's it came back a couple times when I just said I tested it basically and anyway the yeah, the doctor gave me prednisone which is a steroid and it does knock out. It's like it's ah it's not an Anabolic Steroid. It's the other kind that I don't remember the name of and ah it.
[56:59] Keith: That seems like a good theory.
[57:08] Keith: Okay.
[57:13] Mike: Knocks out your sex drive. So that's an example and so yeah, it's basically like just gone you're like oh yeah, I'm not and I've had that happen. Um, and I know I know people get that on like heavy doses of ssri certain ssri. Do it more right? Yeah yeah, and the other thing I Want to say about this since we're toward the end of the show is um.
[57:15] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, antidepressants famously may lower your sex drive. Yeah.
[57:32] Mike: The other another point I would make is that look steroids are connected with obviously men building more muscle and this kind of more animalistic behavior. That's the wrong way to put well whatever more more sort of aggressive call it Behavior. And testosterone is connected with something similar more masculine characteristics which also increases the sex drive. Um, and so I you know? Ah I I think that's interesting evidence against people who would argue that.
[58:05] Keith: Oh right.
[58:05] Mike: There are no genetic biases for these behaviors either. Um, it is probably the case that people who are more muscular who born more muscular have more steroids in there's in other words like like 1 thing. Um I have a friend who says this sometimes you know you say oh you shouldn't be able to use steroids for the olympics and his argument is well. I mean what do you think those athletes. What do you think? Michael Phelps has in his body like why is he such a good swoer. He has more steroids than you do dumb ass or testosterone or whatever like everything's hormonal and so yeah, so so so point big I think it's important to recognize that people are born with different levels of the stuff too. Um, and.
[58:24] Keith: Right? right? right.
[58:43] Mike: And and and and you know why there's like there're people who don't like the idea of that because then you could trace it to certain ethnic backgrounds or whatever and say oh these people are more violent. These people are stronger. These people are less strong. You know you can you know, connect that Venn diagram however, you want. But I think it is true. There's a reality there that people. Yeah, are born with different levels of these things and and men and women both and so there are women who have higher sex drives maybe because they have more testosterone right? And maybe they're more athletic or whatever. Um I I remember going to ah the house of a woman who is a lesbian she was a fireman she was huge and I like.
[59:07] Keith: Right.
[59:19] Mike: She had a a very high sextra. She I didn't which I I just talked to her anecdotally but it was clear that she there was something different about her. Okay, so maybe she had higher testosterone and you know that's how it is how it is.
[59:22] Keith: Yeah.
[59:32] Keith: Is there a situation where you would want to increase your sex drive I'm I'm I'm trying to manufacture one for myself like let's say I knew I was going to go to a desert island with you know, 20 coeds. Ah. and and I'd be and I was confident I'd be able to seduce them at will maybe in that circumstance I'd want my sex drive to be higher for a week but
[59:57] Mike: I Think as a guy if you had unlimited access to sex compelling sex something like that I think it would probably make your life happier if you could then increase your sex drive sort of to to match that and so it doesn't have to be some crazy desert Island It could just be.
[01:00:01] Keith: M.
[01:00:07] Keith: Right.
[01:00:15] Mike: Look you know you could You could think to yourself and say hey I'd be the happiest if I had sex every other day or every day and so I'd like my sex drive to be at that level assuming the the supply is available. So I think yes I would want to if the supply was available in that way.
[01:00:24] Keith: Okay, but almost nobody has supply available in that way and but it Why isn't the corollary to that that almost everybody would want it lower.
[01:00:41] Mike: Oh ah, because because that to you and what you're saying is why don't people want to just match their sex drive to sex availability.
[01:00:49] Keith: Why is it that almost everybody wants their sex drive to be exactly what it is. There's some sort of like anchoring anchoring Bias or something.
[01:00:57] Mike: I'm not sure that's true I'm not sure that's true I've actually wondered before whether ah there was a connection between young people taking massively increased amount of Ssris and like the decrease in sex around mobile devices and people playing video games all the time and I think to myself like maybe.
[01:01:07] Keith: Yeah, maybe they're less discouraged.
[01:01:14] Mike: Say these? there's a bunch of 19 year old men out there who are taking ssri is just because they can't get sex and they're like well at least I can nuke my sex drive and then play what is that that game the the dorks play heroes of the storm I think it's gone.
[01:01:18] Keith: Right? Fortnight I've heard of that one. Yeah, all right? We should wrap you have anything else. You would add here Mike all right.
[01:01:30] Mike: But it makes sense. You know? Okay, no, that's it.
[01:01:37] Keith: All right? That'll do it for this episode of your mileage may vary. You could send us feedback or questions to ymmvpod at Gmail.com that's ymmvpod at Gmail.com we pay $10 for feedback. So just let us know how you'd like to be paid if you don't want us to use your question on the show. Let us know in the email as well. Thanks for your time and we will catch you next week on your mileage may vary.

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