Your Mileage May Vary: Intimacy Vs Submissiveness, Oral Tastes, The Scent Of A Woman, Holidays Abroad

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[00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial but mostly in good faith on today's show we're going to cover forty one thousand at the time another piece of evidence illuminating whether blowjobs are demeaning or not how wetness may or may not relate relate to attraction. Whether vagina smell lingers and more I'm Keith my co-host is Mike hello Mike I'm going to talk about drug usage here which maybe we'll decide. We want to edit out but I doubt it I took an edible two days ago which is the first time I've done that in months.
[00:23] Mike: Hello keith.
[00:39] Keith: Ah, it was a weed a marijuana edible and I saw the movie I don't even know what it's called. It's the new Willy Wonka movie have you heard of this movie.
[00:47] Mike: Well I mean I'm familiar with the book and the movie from the 1970 s I assume yet again like the Disney Corporation has remade a movie.
[00:52] Keith: Ah, yeah I think it's not Disney I think Netflix owns the rights to but I saw this movie in a theater so it can't have been Netflix anyway, it's.
[01:00] Mike: Okay, okay.
[01:06] Mike: Well, you were high. So maybe you weren't in the theater.
[01:11] Keith: That's true. Yeah, what? what? even year is it. It starred timothy shallumade. Do you know who that is wow okay, well he is an actor and he plays Willy Wonka anyway it was pretty good seeing that movie.
[01:14] Mike: No.
[01:27] Keith: A little bit stoned I don't know if I've ever gone to see a movie before while I while I was stoned and it was yeah it was a pretty nifty experience.
[01:39] Mike: Okay I mean was there any I mean I know that Gen I it makes sense to me that will he walkka would yeah Willy Wonka would typically be a movie that that you could imagine somebody somebody watching stone just because it's um.
[01:43] Keith: Why is this interesting.
[01:50] Keith: Yeah, right, right? It's a little dark. It's very colorful. There's lots of fantastical things going on. Um, yeah, it was it. It's It's a musical which.
[01:53] Mike: In the same vein as like Alice in Wonderland or something.
[01:59] Mike: Right? There isn't there like an elevator I'm remembering this from like when I was 7 from reading it. But I think isn't there an elevator that goes sideways and then in like the in the in the next book.
[02:07] Keith: I don't.
[02:17] Mike: The elevator goes he he like pushes a button. The elevary starts going up and it crashes through like the top of the building and like goes into space or something does this sound familiar to you and.
[02:27] Keith: Um, the sequel is definitely called Charlie and the great glass elevator.
[02:31] Mike: Oh okay, there we go see I think yeah and and and probably I'm guessing when it was written elevators were sort of new and so like there was some you know maybe maybe there was some imagination around elevators that now now I mean I guess.
[02:42] Keith: Um, oh interesting. Yeah this the space elevator.
[02:49] Mike: Right? nowadays the imagination around elevators would all be I guess getting your cock sucked in 1 or something but back then you know it was like a yeah like a vehicle a transportation vehicle I remember the fact that the el went it went sideways in the book being notable to me because I was like well how would you even do that engineering wise.
[02:58] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[03:06] Keith: You could do it. You need a sideways shaft and then rails or something but it but it runs on rails Anyway, vertical Yeah, that's true, fair point.
[03:09] Mike: Like ok it would have to disconnect from the cables that yeah, so would be pretty dangerous. Um be be kind of tricky. Yeah is there a punch line to the story or.
[03:24] Keith: Ah, not really I don't know why I brought that up. Maybe I just wanted to flex my drug problem. Ah well I don't have a drug problem I think the last time I took an edible was before the summer so eight months that's that's probably a tolerable.
[03:30] Mike: Drug problem.
[03:37] Mike: Right.
[03:42] Keith: Um, out of usage without any serious long term health impacts I'm guessing.
[03:45] Mike: What's the primary effect you get from the edible is it just feel like you're slightly drunk or do you get kind of visual hallucinations or anything like that or are you just friendlier.
[03:51] Keith: Um, or no I think my main the main thing I notice is certain senses seem a little bit amplified or different like time seems to move a little bit differently sometimes slowly sometimes quickly sound will seem loud or soft. Off and on sort of weirdly I can feel my thought patterns like I can feel how they get stacked up one after another It's interesting just because you you have your like normal sphere of experience and it's a totally different thing so it sort of shows you that. Yeah, there are other planes of of experience. Um, okay note to I am going to Florida to see my family for the holiday. My sister wanted to meet someplace warm. So we're going to Florida and then.
[04:28] Mike: It makes sense.
[04:42] Mike: It's not always warm in Florida in December you know.
[04:45] Keith: Yeah, the forecast looks a little not so great actually and then.
[04:49] Mike: Hawaii I don't yeah you're from the sort of eastern half of the u s like I assume you agree with my general view. Um, my family is also from the eastern half of the US and some years ago I
[05:02] Mike: Declared that I wouldn't go to Florida anymore and my declaration contained in it. The claim that I believe strongly is correct that if you live in California in every possible way going to Hawaii is better. Do you agree with that.
[05:13] Keith: Yes, it might be slightly cheap. It might be slightly cheaper.
[05:16] Mike: Yeah I don't think there's even 1 way in which Florida unless you you could say oh my family's there or something okay, that might be right? But yeah Hawaii like it's it's actually warm there. The water's always warm. It's just yeah, it's actually it's the thing you want from Florida and yeah.
[05:27] Keith: Yeah, food is more interesting. The people are less annoying. There's more scenery.
[05:35] Mike: So did you did you did you try to get have you ever tried to get your family to to see this point of view or do you just are you? You're okay with Florida and so sort of stay there.
[05:44] Keith: I Mean the family members that would be upset by what I'm about to say don't listen to this show. But yes I have tried to persuade to go to other places but ah amongst other things.
[05:48] Mike: Okay.
[05:57] Mike: No come.
[06:02] Keith: Ah, not needing to make a long or connecting flight is a big priority for my sister because she has 2 children and she's a doctor so she doesn't have a whole lot of time off and so compressing things. Timewise is valuable to her and reducing hassle or potential hassle.
[06:13] Mike: Um, okay.
[06:19] Mike: Wouldn't you agree that? ah I'm sure you've made arguments like this. But once you're on the plane. Ah, unless you're talking about a transcontinental flight anything in the north american area even including Hawaii the amount of the marginal number of hours.
[06:30] Keith: M.
[06:36] Mike: Ah, actually is sort of insignificant compared to just the fact that you have to get to the airport go through the whole process I mean so going to Hawaii might be three more hours or four more hours for somebody but it's not going to be twenty seven more hours right okay
[06:46] Keith: Yeah, yeah, there's ah I don't know if I completely agree with that. For starters, if you have to connect that like makes a big difference. We can't We can't but.
[06:57] Mike: Well, you can't connect on the way to Hawaii because it's it's an ocean I guess I guess if you're coming from New York city I see okay, okay.
[07:04] Keith: My sister. Yeah my sister lives on the East Coast so um for her. It's almost certainly a connecting flight and then yeah like dragging her kids through the airport I think ads or a third airport ads material extra hassle for her.
[07:20] Mike: Actually never checked is if there's a flight from like New York City to Honolulu there probably is but I yeah but if you live in some other city then obviously that's not going to work.
[07:22] Keith: But I don't want to. There is yeah she oh there might be direct flights from her City I'm not sure I'm not sure.
[07:34] Mike: Yeah, it's actually New York to Honolulu according to this and is an 8 hour flight which is notable because no, no, that's not right, take that back. Okay, let's move on.
[07:43] Keith: All right? The reason why I brought this up is after Florida I'm going to go to 2 caribbean countries that I have not been to before so I'm going to get to country number 92 and number 93 and I updated my tinder and bumble profiles.
[07:56] Mike: Um, okay.
[08:02] Mike: Um, but what are the countries. Do you do not want us.
[08:02] Keith: And I ah Grenada and St Vincent and the grenadines which are both very southeast in the caribbean they're sort of North of Venezuela I believe.
[08:13] Mike: Um, so which countries colonized these places.
[08:17] Keith: I think Grenada was most recently by the british um, and I am not sure about St Vincent maybe the french but I think the british were involved there too.
[08:18] Mike: Um, okay.
[08:27] Mike: Okay.
[08:32] Keith: I'm I'm not sure ask me in a few weeks and I'll have much better information anyway, I added to both of my online dating profiles. Um, who wants to come to the caribbean with me from December Twenty sixth to early January Twenty Twenty four and this is of course a.
[08:32] Mike: Okay, okay.
[08:44] Mike: All righty interesting.
[08:52] Keith: Unusual thing to ask somebody. You've never met. Um.
[08:53] Mike: This isn't a that you weren't just doing this as a test like you would actually consider paying for a plane flight for somebody to go with you. You would do it? okay.
[09:03] Keith: Here is here is what I would prefer here's the way I would have preferred things to go so I added this a couple weeks ago I'm leaving the day after tomorrow and by the time we release this podcast. It will be in the past tense. But ah i.
[09:21] Keith: Would like to have met them a couple times before going to establish that they're sane also for them I'm sure they would want to meet me before going to realize that I'm like normal and not dangerous and I am already going to these places I've already paid for my flights.
[09:23] Mike: Okay.
[09:32] Mike: Um, sure.
[09:39] Keith: I've already paid for my hotel I'm going to you know? So yeah like I have these fixed fixed costs the incremental cost of bringing somebody else is it's probably an extra 30% or something um, and so but it doesn't.
[09:54] Mike: Um, right.
[09:58] Keith: Double the cost of the trip and so I tried this and I got basically I you know I still got my normal number of matches but almost nobody even engaged with the premise like hey tell me more about this and I guess it's not surprising in retrospect it is.
[10:12] Mike: Okay.
[10:18] Keith: Sort of a crazy thing to do. But.
[10:22] Mike: It's partly. Ah, it's a I mean part of my media thought is that you're picking the holiday season when the odds that a young woman is going to be feel free enough to do that are really low already.
[10:27] Keith: Yeah, but.
[10:34] Keith: What better time I mean I said December Twenty sixth to early January now I know people have familial obligations in the days leading up to Christmas and maybe a couple days after and maybe I could have added like various details like oh I can be flexible on dates and you know that that kind of stuff but you know I didn't want to write.
[10:40] Mike: Right.
[10:54] Keith: And essay about this nobody would read it anyway.
[10:56] Mike: Right? I Just think that there's this irritating tendency that people have I think worldwide to all want to do the same things on the same days. So and I I genuinely find it irritating because ah.
[11:04] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[11:11] Mike: Yeah, it creates traffic jams and everything's kind of a headache and I don't care about a specific holiday but the problem is once you have if you if you interact with anybody who has a job that I will call sort of somewhat blue collar meaning you have to show up at a place and so even yeah, even something like a lawyer could be blue collar in my view.. It's not an information job. Not something you can do remotely not something you can change the schedules for okay, you have that problem and then of course if you're dealing with a kid who has to go to school Well the schools all have their vacations synchronized around these timelines and so most people I mean yeah, some really high percentage of people are just going to opt out of that.
[11:34] Keith: Chart. Yeah.
[11:49] Mike: It would be interesting to know what kind of response you would get if you moved it to like February first through sixth or something.
[11:53] Keith: Yeah I mean 1 thing about this particular timing is that most people do have some availability during that time or at least time off work maybe not availability.
[12:04] Mike: Yeah, but yeah I mean ah anyway, okay so if if you knew someone if if you'd already gone on a date with someone. It would be easier. You're saying that you got no engagement with that premise you have got an engagement. They just don't want to talk about that I mean have you brought it up at all.
[12:20] Keith: Not really not really.
[12:21] Mike: With anybody you've okay so they they just talk to you and they pretend like it's not in your profile. That's kind of funny. So there's ah, some sort of weird passive aggressive way they're dealing with this. They're not I mean.
[12:26] Keith: I Guess yeah.
[12:33] Keith: Well I mean Mike Online dating is not reasonable or rational in any way like you match with someone and then you have this asinine conversation and like there's hoops that both sides are trying to jump through in virtue signal and.
[12:45] Mike: Right.
[12:53] Keith: Um, most of the women that I'm trying to talk to are fairly attractive, fairly high value and so they have all kinds of other shit going on and like they don't care. Um, because after me, there's 10000 people lined up trying to also lay them and so.
[13:02] Mike: Right.
[13:12] Keith: It's yeah, it's not like they're carefully considering me and like oh like what can I say to be interesting like oh this thing that he wrote about going to the caribbean sounds like it's just not like that like if she gives me more than like 10 seconds of thought if I've won so.
[13:28] Mike: Okay, there's probably some demographic I'm I'm going to go with sufficiently unattractive demographic that would be interested in the sense that ah they they would have to not feel like they're that high value and then they might sort of consider your offer more um fully.
[13:40] Keith: Maybe maybe although on on both tinder and Bumble I don't have access to people like that because you get a E low score and.
[13:51] Mike: You're saying that the you you can't you actually cannot get access to less attractive people on Tinder you're you're too attractive.
[13:56] Keith: I Think if you pay for like the boost and other things they they expand the types of folks that they show your profile to but generally you get an attractiveness score internal to Tinder and bumble. They don't tell you what it is and.
[14:06] Mike: Okay.
[14:15] Keith: It mostly shows your profile to people who are of similar attractiveness score hinges like this as well. On hinge you can you can really feel it actually.
[14:19] Mike: Um I see. Okay so you yeah so that would help explain that would help explain good. You can feel I mean can't you feel it on all of them.
[14:29] Keith: I Feel like maybe Tinder and Bumble have more users and so the the moves in score feel less graduated than they do and hinge. But I might be imagining that that could be anecdotal.
[14:41] Mike: Do you do you think there's a similar scoring methodology on Grinder really.
[14:48] Keith: No, ah well yes, no I bet there is yes I just bet that the things that factor into it would be sort of fun to know and interesting.
[14:56] Mike: Right? Well on some level. It's just going to be an elo score and for people that don't know what that is. It's like when you have ah repeated competitions a 1 on one competitions like you can sort of determine who's better and who's worse and then presumably here. It's just who. Yeah, who is initiating the matches and stuff they can use that and so so for grinder would be the same.
[15:10] Keith: Yeah, let me try let me try to expand on that a bit so if I like an attractive person and they don't like me back my elo score will go down a little bit and if a attractive person likes me my Elo Score will go up a little bit and then.
[15:27] Mike: Doesn't that mean you get substantial value by paying for their like gold or Platinum or whatever package because you don't ever have to like someone that doesn't like you back because you know who liked you? Okay, okay, but oh because even you I think you've told me in the past that you.
[15:36] Keith: I'm sure they take that into account and calculating the Relo Score
[15:44] Mike: These dating apps. Even if you pay you kind of need to do a certain amount of natural matching otherwise something bad happens meaning you have to kind of swipe some amount.
[15:46] Keith: Well yes, there's also the reality that they don't want to show people dead Profiles. So if you never swipe then they're not going to show you to other people because they know that you're not an active user. And they don't want people to get their hopes up for inactive users. So yeah, there's some look I don't know how Tinder's internals work. But yes, probably being a paid user gets you a little bit more leniency and.
[16:06] Mike: I see even if you're a paid user. I Hear you? okay.
[16:19] Mike: Right in general in general? Yeah yeah.
[16:21] Keith: And you can also pay you can pay for a boost which forces your profile to be shown to other people.
[16:26] Mike: Right in general your process is that you do a certain amount of natural matching in addition to the fact that you know already who's liked you and you probably notice that when you swipe a bunch more people seem to see you and you get more matches for the next some number of hours. Yeah, okay.
[16:40] Keith: That's exactly right? That's exactly right? yes.
[16:43] Mike: Right? So there's some recency bias and then the elo thing is going to be activated because you are going to have to like you could yeah but it probably matter if you disliked if you swiped left on everyone that would probably not work. You need to swipe right? sometimes.
[16:54] Keith: I Suspect their data scientists are cleverer than I can be and and I bet it's a moving target to they probably change the way their algorithm works and maybe for different types of users. You can get in different tiers and the algorithm changes because of that and yeah, who knows.
[16:58] Mike: Right. That makes sense.
[17:10] Mike: This is I mean it kind of makes me wonder because already we were discussing before the show. There's this notion that people whether it's on Instagram or Tiktok snapchat these various platforms Youtube are in the clutches of algorithms you're saying that the dating.
[17:26] Keith: Um, yeah.
[17:30] Mike: Actually the dating app and who you who you date and so forth is you being in a clutch of an algorithm on some level makes me wonder what percentage of the average person's day now consists of time when they're basically being controlled by an algorithm ah controlled as a strong word but you see my point I mean obviously one ah hundred years ago it was 0
[17:46] Keith: Yeah, right? Ah, it's extremely high and that's a depressing thought.
[17:48] Mike: Unless you consider like a book an algorithm you know.
[17:54] Mike: Now maybe maybe not depressed I mean maybe it's ah net. It's probably making people sadder I had a question for you that I encountered about online I've encountered a lot of it's it's certainly on Tiktok or Youtube or something so speaking of being in the clutches of algorithms. Um.
[18:09] Keith: Ah.
[18:11] Mike: I've seen more and more of this content basically arguing that. Ah, when a man gets to age a certain age ah marriage just becomes not worth it. We talked about this last week or the week before a little bit. Um and basically the argument is there was an innovation in this argument that I thought that was interesting.
[18:22] Keith: Ok.
[18:30] Mike: I mean the the basic argument is that there's an age after which ah, men's act like if a man is reasonably successful. A whatever, reasonably high status his his access to women is going to go up significantly and that age is probably early 30 s ah and the rat the thinking there is that.
[18:50] Mike: Women's attractiveness is kind of peaked and is declining and also women are becoming increasingly aware of a that their attractives will continue to decline and B like things around their fertility and so forth and so they like the the dating dynamic shifts and I think this is like a real phenomenon that you you and other people you know of experience right? okay.
[19:05] Keith: Sure yes.
[19:10] Mike: Um, so but but the argument is basically that ah like the legal constructs around marriage haven't shifted at all and so because of that you have these situations where ah, a man and a woman both have around equivalent incomes. But if they get married the man is taking a much much much much greater risk than the woman is because ah if you take if you just take a um like a kind of a scatterplot of the outcomes of Marriage. There are way more outcomes of marriage that are really bad for the guy for the man than than for the woman. Does that make sense.
[19:50] Keith: Ah, maybe you mean he can lose more financially I mean he could lose his children as well. I'd say.
[19:55] Mike: Ah, sure. Yeah I mean well it's not just financially right I mean basically right like the legal constructs are that. Ah, even if they both make around the same amount of money if they get divorced if they have kids. He's going to have to pay her. She's going to get the children and I'm saying going to I realize it's not 100% but it's it's close enough that I can basically say that she's very likely to get the house. Um, Ah, even if they don't have kids depending on their relative Incomes she's likely to get alimony. It's very unusual for a man to get alimony. Even if the woman makes more if you're married even if you don't have kids.
[20:28] Keith: Yep.
[20:30] Mike: Um, and if the woman makes more than the guy. She's still going to get custoy of the kids most likely in a divorce. Um, yeah, So basically there's it's but but I mean custody of the kids and things like the house are are somewhat nonfined. Well the cut kids are obviously completely Nonfinancial. Ah. And so basically the argument is made that men just basically when they get to a certain age just will come to this realization and you just won't have you won't have marriages and the oh the sorry in the final argument is hey maybe the legal construct should change.
[21:01] Keith: Wouldn't.
[21:07] Mike: To now. Apparently there's something I learned like a month ago in France they have a thing called a pax which is like sort of a min. It's like a a marriage light. So this actually exists in at least one western european country where there's a a way to kind of like have something like a marriage but it's not.
[21:08] Keith: Huh.
[21:26] Mike: Doesn't have the same level of commitment and and and if you break up.
[21:26] Keith: We have that in the United States too you just it's called a prenuptial agreement and you write it carefully, you can't why not.
[21:33] Mike: Well, you can't prenuptially agree who gets custody of the kids. No I mean because. Because the the Jurispru I mean I'm not a lawyer here but my understanding is the Jurisprudence around kids is is always what is best for the kids so you can't like contractually agree ahead of before the marriage like look. We know what's right for the kids like what if the guy's an abuser. What if the mother's an abuser What if she like drowned one of them in a Lake. You know you can't yeah these are sorts of things that could be Overridden by ah, a judge.
[21:56] Keith: Ah, right.
[22:02] Keith: Um, okay, do you think that? do you think that the law around this in the United States is incorrect that that is to say? do you think that divorce law should favor men more.
[22:03] Mike: And there simply is like a bunch of case law around how these things are typically disposed and the case law goes toward the woman typically.
[22:19] Mike: I don't know I I thought this is why I thought was an interesting topic is that if you if you believe that if if if your country wants to incentivize people to get married and have kids to create families if you think that's important now there are a lot of people who probably don't think that's important. Um, but if you think that's important. And historically I mean the federal government in the us gives tax breaks for children and child care and all this stuff. So I guess they so they do subsidize that if you think that then you you know you have to ask the question like okay, well. Do you have the right constructs in place to incentivize people to get to get together and have kids and if you set up marriage in such a way that once a guy hits 30 or relatively you know, ah guy above a certain status. He just goes look. This is a terrible bargain for me that seems like something that the government might want to address.
[23:05] Keith: Maybe I mean on the other hand I think women in general stereotypically but also probably actually are better child raisers and so everything being equal I think you would want. Some amount of favored judgment toward women whether it's gone too far or not I'm not I'm not sure. But for the best average outcomes for children I would expect that the woman would yeah you would you would lean on the side of the woman more often than not.
[23:40] Mike: No.
[23:42] Keith: And so that the law does that doesn't necessarily seem like it's definitely wrong to your point about men. Yeah, recognizing that there's a lot of downside risk toward getting married. Um.
[24:01] Keith: And therefore not wanting to do it and not starting families and and these are probably typically above average achieving men. So these are the types of men you would want to maximally incentivize to have children ah because ah young.
[24:11] Mike: Um, why would you say that Keith you're you're saying that a society should want to encourage above average achieving men to have babies. Why why would you say that.
[24:26] Keith: Um, because it would be more gdp accreedive on average over generations.
[24:34] Mike: I see because you would expect their kids to generate more economic activity than the kids of say a guy who was less well making less money interesting. Okay, we can just leave that one. Um, okay yeah, yes.
[24:43] Keith: That's correct. There's nothing a commercial about that. Ah no, there's not listen more more affluent. Ah people typically have children.
[24:50] Mike: There's a lot that's controversial about that I happen to completely agree with you but but yeah.
[24:58] Keith: That generate more money I know people I know people would like that not to be the case and there are many cultural reasons why it might not be the actual money that's causing that. But Yada yada.
[24:59] Mike: Okay, that's true. That's that is true.
[25:13] Mike: What else might there be besides money? Yeah, okay, ah so um, okay, yeah, so this yeah so the question is right? It's this thing of guys come to this realization and they then are disinclined to get married and.
[25:14] Keith: I Can't think of anything.
[25:26] Keith: Right.
[25:29] Mike: As right? and to your point about what's best for the children I mean I think society is left and and and I should point out that um, the birth rate numbers are really low in a lot of western countries including the United States which is I think one of the reasons why I think it's a hidden element of like. Immigration ah like asylum seekers. All this kind of stuff is like look like we're not, we're way below replacement rate and so there's sort of like a lot of people that acknowledge that you need people from somewhere to continue our country. This is certainly true in Europe as well. But but the um the question would be is it better to have a system that. Optimizes for the kids. But then you might not have any kids or a system that says look this is a little less optimal for the kids but like then at least we'll get kids does that make sense.
[26:13] Keith: Right? Yeah, yeah, there's those lines cross I'm not sure where the sweet spot is.
[26:20] Mike: Okay, um, as it is now. Yeah, so I mean the people that I've seen on the Algorithms The Algorithms have fed to me people basically arguing that? yeah that basically ah, ah, there should be something something like marriage light or something that's. Allows people to commit to each other in a way that um makes family formation more likely but that protects the guy from things like child support and so forth.
[26:49] Keith: Ah, it feels very red pilly but potentially yeah like as as a sociologist like trying to think about like what kinds of policies will generate social outcomes that are desirable. Yeah, there's some.
[27:03] Mike: Right? And the only other thing I was going to mention here is I watched a Ah, there's another part. There's a dating podcast That's surprisingly popular called whatever have you heard of this podcast. Ah so it's people they they do it on video I think part of the reason it's popular is they often bring Lovely young women on and.
[27:06] Keith: There's something interesting there. Um.
[27:16] Keith: Um, now.
[27:21] Keith: I see.
[27:23] Mike: Have video turned on and so then you get a certain Youtube audience and so forth just to and often they wear low cut dresses which I appreciate. It's sort of like a combination podcast in Chatterbait um, they're low cut enough that you could you could rub one out to it in any event. The following situation occurred.
[27:31] Keith: Okay.
[27:42] Mike: That I was trying to understand ah the gentleman the cohost of the podcast said something to 1 of their lovely very attractive young female guest. She said to him in return. Um I think that's pretty misogynistic. He asked her can you define what you mean by misogynistic.
[27:45] Keith: Aha.
[28:00] Mike: And she did not speak anymore started crying and then asked to leave now. Do you think she didn't know what the word misogynistic meant and that's why she did that because I've just described you the totality of the clip that I saw.
[28:00] Keith: Ah.
[28:14] Keith: I Think that the kindest interpretation of that would be that she full well knows what misogyny is and she is easily triggered by men being aggressive toward her in any sense and she found that.
[28:23] Mike: Um, okay.
[28:32] Keith: Situation so overwhelming that she needed to excuse herself I think a more likely interpretation of that is that she may not have known what misogyny meant she felt checkmated. She was sort of overcome by embarrassment and instead decided to ah.
[28:37] Mike: Okay.
[28:49] Mike: So how would that work so you would she would have a sense that misogyny is a negative thing that you can say about something a guy says but she doesn't actually know what the word like I feel like you when you use a word you could typically define it because you just used it and she did use it appropriately like it was contextual. It's like okay and so so.
[28:52] Keith: To use herself.
[28:59] Keith: Yeah, right? yeah.
[29:07] Mike: Very surprising to me that she couldn't just give some kind of definition.
[29:12] Keith: I Don't know I mean my braid's going to some like bad places here. But yeah, like she's been sort of inculcated by this like is that the right word in colcate I think it is yeah like by like like her information bubble.
[29:24] Mike: Sure inculcate is like drawn into something or like ah taught to yeah.
[29:31] Keith: You know has convinced her that um you know various things are are true trues and quotes there and she's surrounded by people that just like agree with her and so when she's ever challenged it. It can be sort of overwhelming and and hard.
[29:50] Mike: Um, okay.
[29:50] Keith: Um, but part of the stuff that she's been inculcated with is that yeah like everything is triggering. So yeah, there's like ah there's like a meta snowball going on here where just The. Just trying to have a conversation about like why conversation is hard is a hard conversation and here we go.
[30:13] Mike: Yeah, is ah this goes along with them I consume ah ah, actually consume um a fair amount there still remains a significant amount of far left x not x- rated content I mean Twitter it's hard because when you talk about Twitter now it sounds like you're talking about porn.
[30:24] Keith: Now. Yeah.
[30:30] Mike: Um, there's I so I consume I tend to consume I consume a significant amount both on far left and far right? and 1 of the things I've noticed on the from far right stuff is there is there is data that I've seen recently that suggests that ah coincident with mobile phone with the Iphone adoption. Starting like 2012 that like the scores the test scores of young people have just ah, dropped significantly and so I wonder about things like that when I see young people in these kinds of situations. Ah predicaments even and I see it somewhat often I think to myself. Wow maybe. Yeah, maybe these devices have just made us so these people don't they haven't developed their brains sufficiently and they just they're they they they believe things that don't make any sense. They don't even really know how to evaluate them and so forth and it made me think of that.
[31:14] Keith: Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure like I think I spend more time reading like every decade that's passed I think I spent more time reading like the internet has given me access to words that I like to read more. Than before but I think most young people are not really reading more They're probably watching well right now Tiktok more and.
[31:42] Mike: The test scores certainly bear that out. There's there's a there's an alarming I would say ah decline. There's been an alarming decline across the entire western world meaning Western Europe the United States and so forth in reading math and writing skills.
[31:50] Keith: Even if you even if you tease out pandemic effects.
[31:57] Mike: Oh yeah, it started. It's it's the data that I've seen um, it's just it's obviously it starts with ah so there's some moment in the iphone and Android ecosystems evolution where it started and as a parent I that of course that's you know that's near that's ah, anec data. But for me I would tend to concur.
[32:09] Keith: Um, yeah.
[32:14] Keith: Okay.
[32:16] Mike: But like it's there's a but that there's there's strong evidence that like something something bad happened. Yeah, and oh and it was pre pandemic. It may have gotten worse. Yeah.
[32:19] Keith: Got it.
[32:29] Keith: Yeah, that's not. It's not great. Um all right. We should move on to some of these topics. This person says what to do after the guy comes in your mouth. What should I do after I finish giving a blowjob every time I do it.
[32:31] Mike: Um, yeah, yes.
[32:43] Mike: Um.
[32:45] Keith: Swallow because I know guys like that and I enjoy making the guys I suck off feel good. It's real Humanitarian Sometimes I want to kiss them but they always say I'm not kissing you after you just had my come in your mouth and it just makes me feel so awkward and used how do I deal with this. Like do I Just swallow his come and go to the bathroom to clean my mouth and then come back to kiss him. It's like so awkward and Weird. So.
[33:07] Mike: What do you think about that. What do you think about the term suck off like suck me off I sucked him off.
[33:12] Keith: E.
[33:19] Keith: Ah I don't I I feel medium on it I don't I don't have strong feelings 1 way or the other huh. Yeah, the various euphemisms for a man going down on a woman you hate.
[33:22] Mike: Okay I kind of like it. Yeah I'm not sure why like it's I Yeah I don't like eat out. Yeah, but suck off I sort of like and I think it's Because. It's because of how important to me like the dominance hierarchy is between men and women like so suck off feels very servile and I like that it kind of turns me on a little bit.
[33:42] Keith: I see I see well this woman feels awkward and used by that servility.
[33:50] Mike: Well, she doesn't like the fact that he doesn't want to kiss her after his semen's been in her mouth which is a really common thing right? Yes, yes, um, yeah, it's it's it's it's it's It's not.
[33:53] Keith: I think yeah I think that's going to be eighty X percent of men maybe 90
[34:06] Mike: What most guys want to do and when even if if if I see it in a porn. It bothers me. It takes me out of the moment in ah in a porn if I see a blow if I'm watching a porn and the guy nuts in his female partner's mouth and then he kisses her I don't like that.
[34:12] Keith: I mean I can so ah if you wait if you see what? yeah oh yeah, yeah I think.
[34:25] Mike: I Want him to stop it.
[34:29] Keith: I think even if there was like motioning towards each other's faces I would would skip the video I'd be out before it. It even happened. Yeah, yeah, as we have discussed many times I have never tasted my own Com and I don't intend to change that. Um.
[34:32] Mike: To drag.
[34:41] Mike: Outside of the I'm sure there's some amount of there's a there's a miniscule amount of come in your diet. Of course we all have. There's a little slim shady in all of us.
[34:47] Keith: Yes, I've I've had come molecules in my mouth I'm sure. Yeah, So is she so I could obviously imagine why she feels awkward and used because an awkward thing just happened and he was using her. So why? Yeah, like what? what's going on with other women who would report that they don't feel at all awkward or used.
[35:16] Mike: I think that I think that in general I think women don't like this about the blowjob experience I think this is a common negative thing and I think it highlights ah an important delta between how men and women perceive these kinds of events is the man perceives it very much as he's done this thing to her.
[35:19] Keith: Okay.
[35:33] Mike: And she perceives it as like we we had sex with each other like it's There's like an important difference in the way they process what's happened and this highlights that difference and some women don't care. You know they're just like okay, fine like men and women are different like we see sex differently and this woman it's it's bothering her.
[35:36] Keith: Right? right? yes.
[35:47] Keith: Right? I mean I think it's pretty reasonable to be bothered by this I mean this is one of the reasons. Why.
[35:53] Mike: Yeah I don't think so I think women would be happier I think in a lot of cases. Women would be happier if they could take the sex act the way the man does I think them I think men's I think. I Think the way men process What what happens during sex makes is more fun than the way women do and if a woman could I think that's ah, a big part of the reason why men have much more drive even setting aside testosterone and stuff towards sex than women do is because it's more fun like the way guys. Like it's not that fun to have be like oh we're going to do this thing where there's a lot of closeness. It's like that's fun. That's nice. It's cool, but it's much cooler to have like this thing where it's like you're I don't know where you're conquering but also being conquered like this dominance like I think that women I think basically all women would enjoy sex more if they explored typically the submissive role that's possible in it.
[36:27] Keith: Right? right? right.
[36:34] Keith: Um, right.
[36:44] Mike: And so it's like yeah he he came in your mouth and you swallowed it like a good little girl and now he's like yeah, he's a little gross out but it's fine. You can just like go have a coke or brush your teeth or whatever and you'll be fine and be in five five minutes but that's yeah, like you're submissive like that you did your chore. Yeah I think women should actually.
[36:47] Keith: Right.
[37:02] Mike: Take that on more and see and I think they can have fun in it.
[37:03] Keith: Well then and the you know plurality or majority of women who report enjoying giving blowjobs must be doing that to some extent I mean I guess it's possible that like having the nut in their mouth makes them feel more close or whatever.
[37:15] Mike: Um I don't I think I think most women they like the fact that the guy isn't he's giving it I think most women it's like a closeness thing. It's like they they they process sex.
[37:31] Mike: As a form of intimacy which it is ah but I just think that like it's the less fun way to process. That's all like yeah like as a guy I can see it really clearly like if I was like imagine if you were forced if I said look Keith you're gonna have this is. You know lovely woman that you've been on 10 dates with you guys are going to go have sex now. Okay, let's say four days because I don't want to engage your what's that called coolidge effect. Ah the ante the the thing where you start becoming less attracted because you've been with the same partner too many times.
[38:01] Keith: That's not really an issue until you've actually had sex. Okay I get it all right? all right. Fourth 8 Let's go.
[38:04] Mike: No okay, fine. But 10 implied you had sex like 6 times and you're on the seventh time. Okay and I say to you? Okay, but I want you as like a kind of a mental practice I want you to really process this as it's an intimacy experience. Not a dominant submissive and experience. So I really want you to like. Focus in on that part of the experience the entire time I think it we wouldn't enjoy it very much. It'd be okay like you'd have a good nice orgasm and be good but you'd be like this. There's something missing.
[38:29] Keith: Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's probably true I think you can have experiences like that after you've known somebody for much longer. Even.
[38:45] Mike: I still think it's going to be worse sex. Yeah like I think yeah like are there other things that can be. You know you can go to a baseball game together. You can like go have a ah a cherry Sunday day Sunday together. But like this like fucking is more fun if it's like.
[38:47] Keith: It might be but but at least that at least that experience will be more positive.
[39:02] Mike: Has the dominant submissive element and so I think my advice to this woman is like yeah like like think about that like try to lean into that and I think she might actually have more fun. Um, that being said I don't know um since I know women are more intimacy focused like maybe actually that could destroy for women and she's like okay like thanks for the advice Mike now I feel like I'm mean raped every time I have sex or something like.
[39:22] Keith: Right? right? Yeah I mean ah we're missing some details here. It could be that the guy's just being a total dick right? like there's some amount of reasonable after care that can be expected and he may or may not be providing that I'm not sure.
[39:22] Mike: I could see her I could see her. They being very negative as well. So I don't know.
[39:39] Mike: Is that right though I mean if you if you're okay like I think that falls on the same Axis right? Like if you're in a dominant submissive kind of play like do you want to immediately after the guy comes switch to like not doing that anymore I think it makes sense for it to kind of gradually.
[39:39] Keith: Sounds like probably not.
[39:59] Mike: To move out of the scene gradually right? You don't just immediately say a safe word and switch over to cuddling I think it's kind of like in other words I think the woman could lean into like the guy's post nut clarity too. It's like yeah, he's just been. He's hard. He's a he's a tough guy and then like 10 minutes later he'll be nice to you.
[40:13] Keith: Right? If I can ah roll rolls over it has a little snooze. Yeah.
[40:16] Mike: But you know it's part of the experience sure. But that's but that but like I can see I mean if I were sort of super I can sort of inhabit in my mind a little bit the the submissive role and like that seems kind of compelling. It's like yeah he he used me like I could see that being compelling.
[40:31] Keith: I think women after they've planned come in or on would prefer a little bit of I don't know if comfortings the word not being totally stonewalled by their partner.
[40:44] Mike: Yeah, but maybe that's a mistake I know they would prefer it but maybe they should consider the alternative.
[40:50] Keith: I Think you're just describing your ideal relationship.
[40:57] Mike: Yeah I mean.
[40:57] Keith: But and you know there baby a woman out there but man. Ah yeah I don't know I mean I understand but right right? Mike Stream okay all right, let's move on.
[41:02] Mike: Look she should just turn on Fox News on the Tv and just leave the room.
[41:14] Keith: Ah let's see here. Oh yeah, okay, um, so this person says my boyfriend and I have been together for over five years due to our respective jobs. We go through periods of long distance every now and then a few weeks ago. 1 of those six month chunks of time we reunited. We went out for dinner and drinks and then went home. Started having sex and we're both super into it because clearly we'd missed each other at some point I asked to get some lube because we'd been going for a while but he kept going and said that he wanted to make me wet so he we didn't need the lube it hurt though. So I asked him to stop.
[41:37] Mike: Nice.
[41:47] Mike: 10
[41:50] Keith: He asked didn't I miss him too and I said yes, but it hurts So Can we get some lube or stop Anyway, he stopped and seemed really Upset. We talked the next day and I brought up consent. He apologized and seemed really genuine. The issue is now he won't come near me. He only reciprocates if I initiate. But even then won't do anything unless I explicitly ask even kiss my neck I feel confused because I didn't mean I wanted every little thing to be a conversation I Just asked that when I said stop He didn't try to negotiate with me I don't feel like I can complain because technically your boyfriend wanting consent at all times is a good thing. Is there a way I can bring it up without sounding like I'm contradicting myself. Okay I think she's misreading what happened here? Yeah, okay, all right? So here's my theory of the case I think that he thinks that a woman's wetness is directly proportional to.
[42:25] Mike: Really let's let's hear it I disagree I think but go on.
[42:42] Mike: It. It's sort of is I mean I would like how much of the wetness has gotten to like the outer labia or whatever like to's gotten to the but like generally like I think there's some quantity there that is linearly connected to turned on this and time.
[42:42] Keith: Her turned on this. He was well we can do here. Let me let me add the.
[43:00] Keith: Well, all right? Perhaps anyway.
[43:01] Mike: But on there's some constant factor for all women like some women are going in. There is hormonal. Okay, fine. Yeah, there can be other factors. How ok that's true. You're right? You're right.
[43:10] Keith: There's various things like I think people can be dehydrated. Um I have never been with a woman who has this problem obviously but I've I've heard um anyway, ah sorry this this issue this issue.
[43:20] Mike: I Like that you characterize it as a problem this deficiency. Yeah I got it challenge.
[43:28] Keith: This this occurrence right? Ah, and so I so I think that happened he felt emasculated when she asked him to stop and now he might be doing this like petty consent thing because.
[43:39] Mike: Right.
[43:45] Keith: The next day she was like look like everything should be consensual and he's like all right fuck you I'll make everything consensual but he might also still have his feelings about so I'm not sure if he's being petty or if his feelings are hurt. But um, yeah, if somebody could explain to him like look like sometimes women aren't a gushing fountain and it doesn't mean they don't like you. Especially if she's like asking you to go get lube ah, but yet I'm yeah I'm not sure this like consent I think this consent thing he might be performing because he's upset or being petty.
[44:08] Mike: I Think it is okay, yeah.
[44:19] Mike: I completely agree with that I think that the there so there was um, people may have heard this if if you're in California know about this that California's public utility Pg and e is like the worst public utility in the world certainly in the country I don't know about the world. Ah, and they. There's all kinds they they charge an insane amount of money for per Kilowatt hour et cetera but ah, a few years back they burned down they burned down a city a town and the the way they did it is they hadn't maintained their power lines properly and like that involves getting rid of like the pine trees that grow under them and so forth and they. Came down in a windstorm and they yeah it started to fire. You know? Ah, ideally when the wire is on the way down some electronic device would trip and detect that and turn off the power that's complicated apparently which makes sense and it it didn't get it in time in any event after.
[44:55] Keith: There's electrical fire.
[45:10] Mike: People were all pissed about that they had lawsuits they went bankrupt all this kind of stuff then they started doing something and there's a term for it's something compliance. It's like it's like something compliance. It's basically where you like follow all the rules exactly to the letter of the law and everybody was like look you're just doing this because you're mad that you got.
[45:21] Keith: No.
[45:28] Mike: Sued into the stone age for burning this town down which you definitely did. Um and I think this guy's doing the same thing. It's like so yes, so like they would do things like I mean in my neighborhood. They just they just cut down so fucking many trees around their power lines it. It couldn't It didn't make any sense what they were doing and it's sort of the same thing there.
[45:30] Keith: Right.
[45:48] Mike: They're just trying to like teach. He's just trying to teach her a lesson. Ah and it might be subconscious. He's mostly he's just mad at her right? Um I the loop thing though I mean I was watching Chatterbait last night and there was a woman and I thought she was a fan like I ah.
[45:52] Keith: Yeah, that's right.
[46:00] Keith: Um.
[46:06] Mike: I Think you you you think you would be a good like consultant to sugar babies I think I would be a really good consultant to cam girls because I think I know yeah like this woman was really good at it and the keys she was doing fuck. She was really good at it.
[46:08] Keith: I Do yes oh I'm sure you would.
[46:21] Mike: She would ask the guys to put their cock on camera so she could watch them beating off and then she would like to talk about how awesome it was in in in whoever gave the most money was her daddy. She was very interactive. She seemed to be enjoying herself. She wasn't ah and she would sort of go through the motions she had a certainly fake orgasm at one point. Ah.
[46:28] Keith: Um, yeah, bright.
[46:41] Mike: But it was like the key is like she the key is she like was really doing a good job of acting the part of being happy to be there like this is fun for me now on the lube thing though I so I was doing some work on my computer and I just had it.
[46:51] Keith: Um, right.
[46:57] Mike: As I'd use sometimes in a window off I have a very wide monitor I had it off to the right of my screen ah for like ah I don't know she was on there for like an hour and a half partly because I just think the dynamic is interesting. It's like what happens I mean like nobody sits there for an hour right she knows that.
[46:59] Keith: Are.
[47:08] Keith: Yeah, yeah, except for you? Yeah yeah.
[47:14] Mike: Right? So I'm sort of curious like what's it like for these women I mean I actually I would recommend a guys listening to the podcast like it's sort of interesting because like they repeat right? They have these things they repeat. They have multiple orgasms every like 20 minutes they they put their panties on they take them off. They take their broad leg. It just goes again and again. Um.
[47:22] Keith: Um, of course. Yeah.
[47:29] Keith: Right? right.
[47:32] Mike: But part of it is she had these dildos and I was I was so I went for a walk afterward and I was thinking like how how like what is the ability of the vagina to tolerate having things pushed in and out of it like is it.
[47:45] Keith: Um, yeah.
[47:48] Mike: Is it So I actually don't know the answer to this we could ask a female guest at some point is it like my penis like so my penis gets tired from sex in the sense that like the ah I think like the erectile tissue will get kind of sore. So if I have an erection too long. Yeah.
[47:58] Keith: Yes, yeah I don't know why that is but but that definitely happens.
[48:04] Mike: But if you but if I rub this like if I rub just along the shaft I'm not entirely sure how long it would take for that to get irritating. Um I could think about rubbing like the inside of my mouth I could rub on my fingers like they're different thicknesses of skin on your body I Just don't know where the vagina sort of I might.
[48:17] Keith: Yeah.
[48:21] Mike: Prior is that it's around like your mouth. Um, it must be a little tougher than that though because like this woman I mean I don't know how many thrusts she under underwent of this dildo but it was a lot right? and also masturbating.
[48:32] Keith: The dildo is normally the dildo is made out of a material that slides well and maybe she was using did did you notice if she was using any lube.
[48:42] Mike: She was yeah but even so like I mean there's how many.
[48:47] Keith: Um, yeah I don't know like I think the inside of a vagina is something like the inside of like a cheek like whatever damage it incurs it heals really quickly and it's.
[48:59] Mike: Okay, but how long would you want to have a banana going in and out of your mouth for even with like Saliva is Lu were just lube an hour like four hours and I'm not sure how long this woman was doing this.
[49:06] Keith: Um, yeah I think with so I think with sufficient Lu It might not do damage but I'm not sure.
[49:18] Mike: Um I I was looking for redness and I sort of would look over every like 20 minutes or so and like kind of inspect and she was also rubbing now I noticed her masturbation the trick she was using and I'm aware of this trick is she she looks like she's masturbating, but she's actually rubbing in circles on the labia not on the clit.
[49:20] Keith: Yeah, but sir.
[49:35] Keith: Um, right right? right? Yeah, the tissue gets sore. Yeah.
[49:35] Mike: So that like there's it's like a magic trick right? You can see the sleight of hand there and I because I've got to think that rubbing the clit. It's sort of like your penis like there is a erectile tissue there. It would get annoying right? Um, although I don't know if you if your if your penis was flaccid the whole time rubbing it might just not matter.
[49:54] Mike: I Guess maybe that's the right thing to do is just sit there and try I Just think I would get erections. It would be annoying.
[49:57] Keith: Yeah, well and with penis tissue. You'll get like an abrasion after a while like all that the the vagina has some wetness and the loop provides some wetness like if I had.
[50:06] Mike: But you don't think you would get that in your inner vagina.
[50:14] Mike: I Don't know.
[50:17] Keith: Lube on my cock and my hand and tons of it. Maybe it would like not I don't know the problem is that the erect l tissue soreness. Yeah yeah, yes.
[50:23] Mike: Um, I guess you can run for hours like you can run for hours and your feet are rubbing something and like it's able to deal with that like your your legs are probably rubbing together a little bit your arms are rubbing like your armpit. So maybe yeah.
[50:36] Keith: Yeah, but lots of people get um they get abrasion scars under their arms on the insides of their thighs and sometimes like where their socks rub on the bottoms of their legs. So like it happens people use vaseline.
[50:46] Mike: You can solve that with you can largely solve that with Lube right? obviously in a running environment. It's tricky right? Yeah, but if you're if you're doing a dildo in your vagina you can lube it much more effectively I mean you have a kind of a container for the lube. The the vagina itself and so it's kind of.
[50:52] Keith: Yeah, or this stuff called glide.
[51:02] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
[51:03] Mike: Yeah I don't know I was just I was sort of interested in that element I can't ask on Camgirl problems subreddit because I was banned ah I forgot I forgot now why I was banned but probably they they just be I Yeah I mean the thing is I'm obviously a man because I would ask something stupid I wouldn't.
[51:10] Keith: You can make a new account. Although maybe they'll I p-ban you eventually.
[51:21] Keith: Right.
[51:23] Mike: Have the right and probably yeah women probably all know. Oh yeah, if you lube it up. It doesn't make any difference or something Anyway, I can so I can see why a guy would take some offense to a woman needing lube.
[51:28] Keith: You don't want to out yourself so quickly.
[51:41] Keith: Um I can too it does it does.
[51:41] Mike: It does suggest a little bit of decreased attraction or something unless it's like a systemic thing if it's every time. Well, that's different. But if it's like oh just this one time you're going to be like huh.
[51:51] Keith: Right? right? Yeah, that's the unspoken thing like I didn't read the comments but I'm sure all of them are like you're fine girl I get to? yeah whatever. But yeah, like everything being equal like if you get down there and it's bone dry. That's probably not the ah.
[52:08] Mike: Well I mean it suggests that you shouldn't that she doesn't want to have sex with you So I would I guess the appropriate thing for guy to do is to not push the issue and do something else. So.
[52:08] Keith: Best signed.
[52:17] Keith: Um, yeah, that's true men when exposed to a naked vagina are not want to be responsible typically.
[52:29] Mike: I Think most men though have the experience of having sex when they don't really want to although maybe some men have never had that experience. It's not great I mean I sort of understand what it's like for a woman in that situation.
[52:42] Keith: Yeah, yeah, I've had that experience many times. Um, all right? Let's move on So This person says does the smell of Vaginas Linger on Dicks after sex to put it briefly a guy told me that he loved the way he smelled after having sex with me. When he got Home. He noticed the smell of my pussy lingering on his dick even after showering and he really enjoys the smell could this simply be our pheromones being compatible wonder if any guy has ever experienced this before as well. I Personally think it's sweet and a confidence booster that he likes the way I smell well. Ah.
[53:15] Mike: This sounds like a one where the right response is some guy to say I like the smell of your vagina on my cock after we have sex too like like I choose your wife. Yeah.
[53:22] Keith: Right? Yeah I mean this is not right? ah does vagina smell linger through a shower I think it does too I think it takes like 2 showers or something before I wouldn't.
[53:30] Mike: Um, yes, yeah.
[53:40] Keith: But herbal to reliably detect.
[53:44] Mike: I Don't know if that's true for other um, bodily Fluids like for example, blood I don't I've I've never been sufficiently bathed in blood to test this um it doesn't It's not true for poop but that might be because.
[53:55] Keith: Ah.
[54:02] Mike: You have this motivation to really carefully wash off anything that is covered in poop and it also has a distinctive color.
[54:05] Keith: I Guess yeah I mean also most men have pubes and I think things could like linger in there or something I'm not sure.
[54:17] Mike: Maybe men don't I I will say this though I have noticed this to be the case even after assiduously using soap in a way that I feel like should have removed it. So it's something beyond that it's not in other words, this is not like a hygiene issue for the guy right? yeah.
[54:26] Keith: Me too. No I Don't think it is yeah like yeah, you're right I Guess I sort of implied that. But I agree I Don't think it is.
[54:37] Mike: Right? Yeah, like there's this is like something getting into pores or some it's something that's like going into your penis and then coming back out or something. It's not something that's cleanable via soap immediately I have no idea about the compatible pheromones I don't think that's likely to be true.
[54:52] Keith: I Know people talk about that I don't I don't.
[54:56] Mike: The the reason why a guy would like this smell is simply because he's like 2 things. It's like e then there's like the forward like oh I can have sex again and then there's like yeah this means I fucked and so you're sort of proud of yourself. You're like yeah so there's just yeah.
[55:08] Keith: Right? Yeah there's a couple of musing comments here. This woman says yes I smelled another woman on my husband more than once I'm now single after 20 years of marriage. This person says yes I fucking love when I can smell my wife on my Dick. It's hot as fuck. Nothing is better than a good tasting and smelling pussy now this implies that there are bad tasting and smelling pussies I mean I think women can have ok.
[55:23] Mike: Um.
[55:33] Mike: Sure.
[55:41] Keith: Maybe the analogy here is body odor right? So Some people have stronger body odor than others. Um and some women probably have stronger and different tasting pussies than others. But. Absent of some sort of health issue like I think use in factions classically can make things a little bit. Not so great down there.
[56:08] Mike: I Think it matters a lot whether ah so unfortunately it depends on what your kink is so I shouldn't say unfortunately but like it's pretty difficult to separate a vulva from urine Just like I mean honestly a penis Although the penis when you pee.
[56:25] Mike: Right? It doesn't like it just comes out the little hole and it doesn't smear around like yeah for a woman like there's unfortunately like just the way fluid dynamics work. It's much harder for a woman to avoid it would be like if every time you peed the head of your cock was bathed in pee That's like a good analogy I think for like the female.
[56:43] Keith: It's not quite like that I mean so I actually all right? So it comes out the urethra and then I think it sort of depends on labia shape. How much it gets like swirled around like.
[56:44] Mike: Being. Yes.
[56:53] Mike: I mean I think right? Oh yes, a woman can make an effort to kind of spread everything and pee in a certain way and in most cases make it so it's similar to the male experience. Although still, you're going to have some amount at the end.
[56:57] Keith: Can't it can't they rope a stream as well.
[57:11] Mike: Just like a man does that sort of drips down. It's just that for a guy This is something like a a roofer someone works with gutters would understand like because the male penis droops down those drip droplets don't just because of gravity they're going to go the preferred direction right? whereas with the woman like because of um surface tension.
[57:25] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
[57:31] Mike: There's no protrusion for them to sort of get to the end of and have to drip like a drip edge on a gutter or something like that. So they're going to adhere so you're going to wind up there. There would be no way for woman not to have more p than a man on her parts after pee. But importantly, what hang on go ahead. It's true, but just with a dry.
[57:42] Keith: Which is why women I think I think most women wipe after they p.
[57:51] Mike: Um, a dry piece of toilet paper typically and the other thing I want to say is women when they sit on the toilet don't typically spread their labia Maximally to pee. They just pee and so then you're run then it is like what I said in terms of like it would be like it's not okay. It's not that different than if a man was like hey the way I like to pee is I sit down.
[57:57] Keith: Right? right.
[58:11] Mike: And I pee upward and it just goes everywhere. It's not that different from that right? Um, so just gets over your balls and everything the thing I Want to say though is that so you have a certain amount of urine like so whether she peed since she last say showered matters and then.
[58:14] Keith: Right? right.
[58:29] Keith: Yep.
[58:30] Mike: What she ate that is in that pee because you can be obviously asparagus. But there's other things too right? There could be curry or something right exactly So all of these things. So so I think that urine is a and it's not exactly hygiene. It's just like when things happen.
[58:32] Keith: Yes, yes, of course everything everything matters some non-zero amount.
[58:48] Mike: Matters kind of a lot for like how this operates right? Even if a person's very hygienic unless they take significant care with their urinary schedule. They're going to have fluctuating odor and taste in a way that a guy kind of wouldn't.
[59:03] Keith: Um, yeah, even if there is P Residue I would expect that to go away after a couple licks.
[59:05] Mike: Ah, yeah.
[59:14] Mike: That's right, That's right? Yeah I mean you it's it's yes, but I mean it doesn't take like human Disgust reflexes are pretty powerful things I mean like if I said look there's just one layer of poop on this like you you just have to lick through it like.
[59:14] Keith: So.
[59:28] Keith: No I know no I know but like when you go down on one a woman if she's a little bit wet like maybe the the you know the the wetness secretion sort of can dominate the ah whatever Remaining. P Molecules. There are.
[59:49] Mike: I Think that's possible I um.
[59:51] Keith: Um I don't know if it's correct in in practice or not I'm just thinking extemporaneously.
[59:54] Mike: I Remember in high school having a conversation with a girlfriend about this because she was she wanted me to understand. That is some sort of like Proto feminism. She wanted me to understand that like it was a pretty big give for her to give me blowjobs because I peed from that hole too and then she made she she told me that she preferred it if there was like pre come because that meant it had removed the p.
[01:00:14] Keith: Ah, yeah.
[01:00:23] Keith: Oh interesting.
[01:00:26] Mike: So she would sort of like she preferred that she preferred to have a certain amount of Arousal before giving the blow because she so she thought maybe correctly, maybe she was like preternaturally good at this and smart that like yeah, it would clear out the passageways and so she didn't have to interact with the pee taste and smell.
[01:00:43] Keith: It's not a crazy theory I don't think sometimes sometimes when I pee it'll like not be a perfect stream.
[01:00:44] Mike: It's not actually right? So it's also it's also might just be a way to get more foreplay or something. But yeah.
[01:00:59] Mike: Right.
[01:01:01] Keith: And I could imagine a little bit more getting on my head in that case, maybe not though because it's all going out in a way I'm going to pay more attention to this.
[01:01:05] Mike: Yeah, the this is a much bigger issue for uncircumcised men because if you don't pull back the foreskin as an uncircumcised man. It's you're basically doing it's you're having the the bathing your head of your cock and pee thing. Yes or you could just do what I do and sit on in the shower or lie down and pee upward.
[01:01:11] Keith: Oh yeah, the same problem. Yeah, okay, all right? Well I'm glad we got but.
[01:01:25] Mike: Have you ever done that.
[01:01:26] Keith: No.
[01:01:30] Mike: I Actually haven't either but like it's a thing that a person could do.
[01:01:34] Keith: Um, it sounds it sounds mildly compelling I don't think I'm going to because I think the disgust of having the pee on me. But if you're in a shower I could imagine if I'd had like 3 beers and I was like outside or something and like next to a lake like a place where I could a mate immediately bave. And might be I could imagine doing that. Yeah.
[01:01:52] Mike: If you had a girl that you were dating and you wanted to you were like George Costanza or is he the one that doesn't want to break up anyway and you know you're too timid to be the breakupper. It could be a way you break up with girls you're like hey I just need you to know I have this kink come in the bathroom and watch me do this.
[01:02:04] Keith: Ah.
[01:02:11] Mike: And I think like more than 5% of them would just be like all right I know.
[01:02:13] Keith: I Think it's I mean I mean the problem you have a problem Either way I mean either they're not okay with it or they really should not be okay with it and they're and they're out or they are okay with it and then where are you and like there's no that there's no good. Good outcome there all right.
[01:02:30] Mike: All right.
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[01:02:40] Mike: Why am m v pod at gmail.com yeah whoever has YMMV at gmail.com has gotten emails before I feel. Yeah, it's like the ah the guy who owns YMMVDotCom I've tried to like email him.
[01:02:51] Keith: No Well pour them. Yeah, really, he should. You should just you should sell it to us right.
[01:02:57] Mike: You've been to that site. It's like a site. It's it's from 1998? Anyway, yeah I emailed him I was like hey you know I would buy it off you for yeah maybe he's dead. He keeps getting renewed every year. It's a decent domain name but I mean our show is popular enough now that like we. YMMV if you're looking for a podcast or something like that we dominate so it doesn't really matter at this point.
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