Your Mileage May Vary: Loyalty Tests, Phone Rummaging, Intimate Vs Sexual Touching, Cumkiss Speculations

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[00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial but mostly in good faith. We've collated an exciting list of sexy topics to cover today including a partner's mysterious motives behind penis grabbing talking on the phone during sex kissing after blowjobs and.
[00:17] Mike: Earn who that.
[00:19] Keith: More and Keith my co-host is Mike and Mike I've come to learn that your record of perfect dentistry. A huge part of your personal identity has come to an end I'm I'm sorry man.
[00:32] Mike: I Don't think you should go that far with the with the the critique but it's nice. Ah yeah, no I didn't have a cavity but ah they the dentist suggested I get an area above an area of Gum recession some some material added to the.
[00:46] Keith: Um, some some material What what material would this be.
[00:49] Mike: Tooth there so that I didn't later wind up with a cavity.
[00:56] Mike: I think I mean I I I don't know what he was doing with his hand in his pants while he's producing it Ah, by the way I should say um oh gosh my dentist doesn't listen to this and I don't think you will ah he's a smallish Asian man maybe in his forty s who.
[00:59] Keith: Okay.
[01:12] Mike: Loves video games I think he might be an incel I think it's not impossible that my dentist is actually an incel. He told me that I'll get back to exactly what he did but he told me today that if someone mistreats him in a video game online. He was acting as if he was joking but I don't think he was that he could.
[01:13] Keith: Interesting huh. Okay.
[01:30] Mike: Even if they were in a different country get their Ip address and swat them that is send a swat swat team to their house. Um.
[01:31] Keith: Wow! Yes, yeah, so that's mostly done against streamers. So if somebody has a popular stream on Twitch. You can call the police and send them to their house. They call it swatting and.
[01:47] Mike: The guy.
[01:49] Keith: There's a famous example years ago where I think the streamer actually got killed. Um, you say that there's some sort of I believe. So yeah, you say there's some sort of domestic abuse going on and then you know they just burst down the door and shoot first X s questions later.
[01:54] Mike: On on on air. Oh my lord.
[02:05] Mike: Um, I mean setting aside all setting subtle all all moral legal ethical guidelines here if you were the kind of incel watching that stream the person said something to tick you off like let's say they said the wrong thing about Ukraine or whatever.
[02:17] Keith: Um, yeah.
[02:18] Mike: You get mad. You get an argument you swat them and then on their video you get to watch them be killed that must be pretty cool. Ultimately, right, you're like look I I actually killed you I did it. That's like Jesus um, so anyway, so the thing that this guy did is it's he did not have to drill.
[02:20] Keith: I Mean it's I know I know it's really bad feedback. Yeah.
[02:37] Mike: Or even add any anesthetic to my gums it was simply putting something over the top and it's not metal. It's like some sort of you know, composite material over the top of the tooth. So yeah I mean I'm not sure. Yeah, it's it's borderline I can still chew tinfoil.
[02:48] Keith: Yeah, that's good. Ah I mean Okay, for starters, most filling material for cavities. These days is not metal anymore. They use some sort of like composite enamel esque thing.
[03:01] Mike: So he told me he told me that after telling me that in street fighter. He's moved on from liking Chen Lee to cami he likes Cami now. So no, no, he told me he plays he plays street fight.
[03:05] Keith: Yeah.
[03:09] Keith: Okay I think that reference is about 25 years old actually thirty five years old oh yes in fact, the latest street fighter.
[03:18] Mike: Ah, yes, but he told me plays street fighter 6 which apparently is a current game I don't know anything about it.
[03:26] Keith: Which apparently is six I think got fairly good reviews. So.
[03:29] Mike: Okay, then oh he 1 other mistake wait weird thing he said is he was in the middle of doing this work and he told me that he's been ah sort of it's bummed him out how much his dexterities decreased over the years and then I was like look man like.
[03:41] Keith: Right? right? yeah.
[03:45] Mike: You shouldn't say that to somebody in the middle of doing a dentistry on them I actually said that to him and he said he's said oh dentistry is totally different I was like if you say so bro like sounds kind of related to me.
[03:56] Keith: Yeah, he's and there he's got like Parkinson's rattling around in your mouth. It's like okay this is this is it great. Ah okay I was giving you a hard time about this earlier but I think in spirit you still have not had a cavity.
[04:12] Keith: Actually technically you still haven't had a cavity.
[04:13] Mike: Yeah, this was a no I haven't and this was a totally optional thing. He just said he just said like look. Ah, yeah, if you do this then you won't have any it'll stop. Ah the the root from being exposed and like might decrease like cold sensitivity on the tooth. That's it.
[04:26] Keith: Okay, all right I think at at dinner parties. You can still proudly say you've never had a cavity and watch the people in the room. Oh and a at your at Strong Health. Okay, so you're welcome. Ah, all right? What else do you have for us.
[04:30] Mike: Yeah.
[04:35] Mike: Yes, yes, thank you so I have this ah this Tiktok person that I follow. It's a woman and and you saw a picture over why don't you I'll put her back up here on the screen and you can describe maybe for our listeners. Particularly our listeners in Tennessee what you think she looks like what describe her for.
[04:55] Keith: Ah I mean this is a young blonde lady so young that she still has some like baby fat on on her cheeks I would describe this person as quite attractive. Yeah I was going to say eight and a half and then I was.
[05:05] Mike: Score out of 10 like 9
[05:13] Keith: I was pausing because I didn't that that felt like too specific. She's between an 8 and 9 I wouldn't haggle if somebody said she was a 9
[05:18] Mike: Okay, great. Of course you don't you don't see your whole body. But um, let's see there is a bikini picture. Maybe this will help you here is the bikini picture I can put if I remember I'll put this woman's Tiktok profile up in the show notes. So people can see who we're talking about.
[05:27] Keith: Oh okay. Yeah I mean I'm a little bit hesitant to say here because I want to say 9 but she peers to be quite young and I'm worried that if she's like 19 or something people are I'm going to get you know canceled. So it's.
[05:44] Mike: Okay, okay, okay I don't know what her age is she does have a cash app. Ah ah, cash app account posted on here. So she yeah she has um.
[05:53] Keith: Ah, that's kind of her in case I'm just so thirsty I could just send her money in the hopes that she'll like have you use cash app when you use when you send somebody money they can respond to the ah to the send. So I wonder if people just send you can just.
[06:07] Mike: With what.
[06:11] Keith: Put a note like thank you or respond with an emoji or whatever. But I wonder I don't know if you can send pictures as responses to things on cash app. But the point is I You know I bet some men just center cash in the hopes that she'll like at least feign interest. Oh my God Oh my word.
[06:13] Mike: Or send a picture of your vagina. Okay, okay.
[06:29] Mike: Pretty attractive right? Yeah yeah, okay I'm I'm sort of not sure what separates her from a 10 for you. But okay so her main thing her name is trin trinity I mean her stage name who knows what her real name is.
[06:31] Keith: Yeah, this is this is a 9 Yes, my.
[06:42] Keith: Her her quotedquote name. Yeah.
[06:46] Mike: What she does is she does what she calls loyalty test now actually the the audio I want to play is a little different from that. But I just want to sort of tee up who this person is she does a loyalty test. So what that means is that insecure women girls. She's I think she is over 18 but insecure girls and women will have her message their boyfriends.
[06:53] Keith: What does that mean.
[07:00] Keith: Great.
[07:06] Mike: On social media and see if they'll remain loyal to the woman and so she will do these videos where she describes what happened in the loyalty test and I don't maybe once I've heard her do one I mean she has hundreds of them in here I think I've once heard one where the guy turned her down. Um.
[07:08] Keith: Oh my.
[07:20] Keith: Aha. Right.
[07:25] Mike: But basically what always happens is she sends the guy a message she says something like oh you know I love this picture you look I mean which first of all, if you get a message from someone that looks like this saying hey I mean I don't know what lives these young men are living but if I got a message like that.
[07:33] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[07:41] Mike: Any age from this woman I would think this is a person in Pakistan who's coming to to rape me or something not right or a bot sure it sits this is chat gbt. It's become sentient I would not yeah.
[07:42] Keith: A bot right? yes.
[07:53] Keith: I've been told I've been told that you can use Instagram it's like the number one dating app I don't that hasn't been my experience like I've tried sliding into people's Dms like probably only 3 or 4 times so to be fair like maybe I need to be shotgunning out more. But.
[08:06] Mike: Um, yeah.
[08:07] Keith: On the inbound side I do occasionally get messages from attractive people. But ah 49 out of 50 times. It's just some sort of scam. So now I I mostly just block sometimes if the account looks very legit like they have a lot of followers and they're not following a lot of people.
[08:15] Mike: Just ma'am. Yeah.
[08:27] Keith: Um, and another thing you need to look for is on their posts are they getting a lot of likes and messages because you can buy followers. Um, but you can't buy social interactions so you can buy that too. But it's much more expensive So there are signs that an account can be legit. But.
[08:37] Mike: Ah.
[08:45] Keith: Don't think I've ever had an inbound dm from somebody who was attractive and legitimate. It might be literally 0 anyway, yes, you're right I would be suspicious so that these men aren't already kind of shows that they're morons.
[08:53] Mike: Okay.
[09:02] Mike: Ah, yeah, or or they're having some experience that I don't understand typically on these apps but I might by prior is definitely that they're just stupid. Um, so anyway she describes and of course she gives the evidence I think she may charge for these loyalty tests that may be part of what she does to make money which is most clever.
[09:07] Keith: Yes.
[09:14] Keith: It takes her some time to do yeah.
[09:19] Mike: I Mean ah to do that. It's a little like that. There's that app where you can have a celebrity record a message to somebody for what it's called you know, yeah Cameo It's a little like that right? I mean you're basically paying a super attractive person to do this thing that only a super attractive person can really do although well anyway you could have a less attractive person. Do it. But.
[09:27] Keith: Cameo.
[09:38] Mike: What's the fun in that.
[09:39] Keith: Um, did you know that George Santos has made hundreds of thousands of dollars on cameo it's sort of funny that like he's scandalized himself and now he has actually carved out like a way to make money.
[09:43] Mike: That makes sense.
[09:54] Mike: I mean I think he has to go to prison. But so it's gonna be rough. Ok so ah, she yeah so she does eat loyalty to us she she kind of plays back or she says back the things that happen and shows the text messages with blacking out what happens and it's always.
[09:54] Keith: Yeah, that's kind of a bummer but all right anyway continue.
[10:06] Keith: Okay.
[10:12] Mike: Essentially it always is The guy is very interested immediately responds positively and wants to you know friend her follow her whatever and then meet up with him and then she blocks him and then she tells his girlfriend I don't really understand why somebody would hire this woman to do a loyalty test because.
[10:16] Keith: Yeah.
[10:22] Keith: Oh brutal.
[10:30] Mike: I'm here to tell you that even very happy coupled men would would at least be curious unless so really, it's more of an Iq test right? So It's like you should know that it's either a scam.. It's a scam of some kind. It's a loyalty test or a scam. But if a guy's Stupid. He's going to and doesn't catch that part of it. He's going to respond positively because we're programmed to respond positively to people that look like this right.
[10:55] Keith: Yeah I mean even you know Blake Lively is right? Okay, so Ryan Reynolds is her husband like even Ryan Reynolds if approached by this woman I think would respond positively like it's just not realistic for someone for a man.
[11:00] Mike: Yes.
[11:14] Keith: Approached by a woman like that to reflexively be like I'm married like that's just not how men operate and if that is your line for like when your man has cheated now a much more interesting question is if this played out further if she was like hey.
[11:16] Mike: Now.
[11:32] Keith: Ah, would you know? do you want to take me up to dinner that I think a woman might actually have cause to be upset at her partner about but responding ah you know positively and flirting with you know, a babe like her I don't think if that's your line for a crime then almost every man. But is is a criminal.
[11:52] Mike: Um, I don't yeah right? Ah I don't think ah I don't think that I think it would be if I think the only way a guy would just reject someone like this would be if all of his sexual needs were being met like comprehensively and he was you know, very very happy with his partner. He felt like it was a good match. Any chink in the armor meaning like even if you just had an argument or you've had a bad two weeks this person is going to be attractive enough. Okay, so I I now feel like we've successfully given her 7 additional middle aged men male followers from our show.
[12:13] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[12:26] Mike: And we'll go over there but I but this is actually something different. She's doing here here. She's playing and maybe I'll just play the audio because she she immediately sort of says what's happening and you can also get I want people to notice I'm going to just hold it up to the microphone here in a second I want people to notice her sort of like steely sounding voice. The voice of just like a female stone cold killer. Like this woman this woman knows she's super attractive. She just has like this flat affect. Yeah I mean she's this is this is the female version of like a mafia killer person or something right? I mean yeah she is. She's she's a female assassin. Okay, let's listen called so crazy for this but I don't even care.
[12:48] Keith: Ah, right.
[12:57] Keith: It's like an assassin. Yeah.
[13:04] Mike: Because I have a hol list on my phone of everything to check when you're going through your man's phone and please don't even start with oh my gosh if you have to look through your man's phone like then you guys shouldn't be together because you don't trust him like just shut up so discord there's like so many different chats that they can have in there. Um, always go to like the ones with their boys. Um, see what they're sending their screen time. It tells you like all the apps that they're on and what they're spending most of their time on. So like if say they had like a dating app they can like take it off their home screen and then you go to their screen time and you can see that it's on there and if they're using it Reddit history.
[13:25] Keith: That's smart.
[13:31] Keith: Smart.
[13:39] Keith: Oh okay.
[13:43] Mike: Most people don't know that you can literally see. They're recently viewed on Reddit so if they're looking at a lot of bad stuff on there because there's a lot of bad things on there. You can see it on there and when he gaslights you and is's like oh that was it says like on the timeline thing three hundred and sixty five days ago
[13:47] Keith: Fuck.
[14:02] Mike: No, he recently viewed it. That's when it was posted snapchat obviously messages photos you can download his history. But I'm pretty sure you have to have like his email so get his email Instagram history their Dms what they're looking up what they're saving liking commenting on messages. Obviously.
[14:04] Keith: Wow.
[14:22] Mike: Notes a lot of people put stuff in their notes that you would never even think photos Obviously a lot of guys have old like nude pictures of people and like just nasty stuff on their photos those screenshot random girls instagrams and random girls and they're just weird.
[14:23] Keith: Okay.
[14:39] Mike: Cash up, you can see if a guy is paying for o their cash up I'm pretty sure if they're paying for only for email because everything that they sign up for goes to their email. So if they're signing up for dating apps or other bad things you can check his email I've heard a battery percentage I've never used it. Um, but I'm pretty sure it's like the same thing it tells you what their.
[14:41] Keith: Cash up. Yeah, got it right.
[14:50] Keith: Jesus.
[14:59] Mike: Spending their battery time on subscriptions will tell you what they're subscribed to right now and okay so you've got a chance su she also says Facebook google Activity Tiktok watch history. Some people have a fake calculator app that apparently like can store photos in it.
[14:59] Keith: Okay.
[15:05] Keith: Holy cow.
[15:12] Keith: Okay.
[15:14] Mike: Telegram Linkedin and Pinterest and then there's 1 other one that's behind her shoulders I can't see she has like a little list here. That's actually ah written out what do? what do you think about her First of all I mean I I was surprised about this behavior generally being more from the twentieth century than this of a person.
[15:19] Keith: Um, yeah.
[15:34] Mike: I guess it hadn't occurred to me that somebody would rifle through this is sort of I think the electronic equivalent of having a girlfriend basically just act like the Fbi. Ah at Marla at mar-a-lago. Ah so to speak and just rifle through your bathroom and find all the classified documents. Um, yeah, what like.
[15:47] Keith: Right? right.
[15:52] Mike: So there's that and what do you think about her list. Okay oh Wow did that make you actually maybe uplevel her to a nine point. Five is she like kind of intelligent to or just kind of a killer.
[15:55] Keith: I Think that is an outstanding list with several things that I don't think I would have come up with but everything she explained there makes a lot of sense. Um.
[16:11] Keith: Ah, yeah I mean I'm still worried about her age. So I but moddulo Modulo that.
[16:14] Mike: I Mean this is information she might like I'm pretty sure she's over eighteen I don't think yeah I don't think that she has a whole I'm I'm skeptical that she has. This is like a woman who's a private detective I'm skeptical that she has this problem in her personal life because she okay, let's let's let's double click on that.
[16:33] Keith: I'm not actually because I bet the men I bet the men she's choosing or the men that people in her cohort so other women that are of her attractiveness level are often super you know Giga Chad men that.
[16:49] Mike: Okay.
[16:51] Keith: Um, can pull women like that easily and probably run something ah similar but on like a much more advanced level that I do which is you know I'll have like a lot of ah, get ah irons in the fire at the same time sort of like slowly inching ahead that you know may bear fruit at some point. Um, ah, but yeah, like for the people the type of men. She dates I bet when she goes in there. She just finds like yeah like women probably slide into like the men she dates as the Dms and I'm sure these type of men are typically how to say this politely. I.
[17:30] Keith: Ah, you know they're probably himbos so they're not like super smart and so you can imagine them just yeah, like trying to like obfuscate and hide things. But with that list of things that she just provided like there's nowhere he can hide um like.
[17:32] Mike: And got.
[17:49] Keith: Even the apps that hide stuff. She's she's sort of wise to so you would need to have such operational security to have her not not catch you. But yeah, like basically you would want to have a burner phone that she doesn't know about and Lord help you if she finds it.
[17:54] Mike: Um, what's your right.
[18:05] Mike: So is the standard protocol for somebody you I mean let's say let's say you're not your goal isn't to maximize the number of ah vulvie your your your your glands your glands touches per month or whatever. Let's say your goal is just have to date to have.
[18:16] Keith: Your body count. Ah.
[18:22] Mike: Multiple relationships even in that context does this type of behavior mean that you just can't you You can't let the person have your phone like is this a protocol that that that men need to know about or women I mean everybody needs to know about.
[18:36] Keith: I mean I have long thought that my phone has stuff in it that I think are like at most 3 out of 10 crimes like probably even when I've been in like my very most committed relationships like I might occasionally flirt.
[18:48] Mike: Okay.
[18:54] Keith: But like a co-worker or you know a former classmate or something like I'm not unlike tinder or bumble like you know trying to find the next person but I'm sure there would be stuff in there that could be yeah, a 2 or 3 out of 10 crime and I actually don't think those are worth prosecuting. It's like look. We're all human here like I'm a man.
[19:02] Mike: Okay.
[19:13] Keith: Ah, it's nice to occasionally ah innocuously flirt with other people. Ah, but if my partner like found that stuff she would probably you know be quite upset and so like there's just no good reason to have open phones. But I think a lot of millennials and. Gen Zers do have like an open phone policy because there's this like jealousy thing going on but like the expectation that I never talk to another woman would be wild like your wife doesn't expect that of you and like no partner of mine has ever expected that of me like the the problem is.
[19:52] Mike: Um, well I mean it. Yeah, it should give our listeners some sense of of ah my status ah in the world that ah no, my wife doesn't do that and also ah.
[19:53] Keith: But go ahead.
[20:07] Mike: I noticed that trinity here was talking about looking at your Reddit history because there are stuff. You're not supposed to do there and of course I have I didn't know where I would qualify as somebody with a subreddit ah with now twenty six Thousand subscribers
[20:13] Keith: Ah.
[20:21] Mike: Ah, that is a porn subred and by the way I wanted to mention that and I don't know if maybe this would actually upstat me with women but um in the last week. My subreddit provided porn views to 246000 people yeah so I mean that's pretty ah, that's that's that's a pretty wide distribution I think women care about.
[20:31] Keith: Right.
[20:40] Mike: Ah, Social network size right? Maybe they don't care as much when it's just dudes with cocks in their hands think of how many cocks How much gzz I've produced or helped produce there. It's a lot of jizz.
[20:41] Keith: Yeah I wonder I wonder yeah.
[20:51] Keith: I wonder we should talk about that offline or but can we do a quick back of the envelope here. Okay so 250000 views is that what it was this week I mean.
[21:01] Mike: Yes, yes, I'm not sure if I can get a twelve month hang on I might be able to get a twelve month view a twelve month is so three point five million but that's 12 Ah probably I'm not sure I mean.
[21:07] Keith: Now are those what counts as a view so they could just be passing through while they're browsing a bunch of different porn but surely one out of 5 of those.
[21:20] Mike: That's right. Ah I bet it's less than one out of 5 I but it's one out of 30 how many porn we've we've discussed this before how many porns people cycle through.
[21:23] Keith: You're the final landing place before they come.
[21:28] Keith: Okay, well, that's still that's still 100000
[21:35] Mike: That's true, 100000 and then each one is like a teaspoon or 2 It says two hundred Thousand teaspoons I'm not sure how many cups that is.
[21:44] Keith: Ah, cut two hundred thousand tea teaspoons to gallons.
[21:46] Mike: Let's shoot it to gallons so that's two hundred and sixty gallons two hundred and sixty gallons of semen. That's that's enough to fill a hot tub like a reasonable medium size hot tub of semen produced while consuming my porn. But I mean get to get back to trinity's point here I mean. Is that a problem if you're generating if you're if you're ah or maybe that means that I'm so high status that um I can get away with that. Yeah, okay, all right.
[22:08] Keith: It would depend on the woman I A reasonable woman would be impressed that you had developed a porn empire but trinity might be appalled because Trinity's main value to the world is being a sexual object. Ah at.
[22:15] Mike: Ah, maybe.
[22:23] Mike: And.
[22:26] Keith: I Don't know if that's actually her main value. But I think that's how she like imagines herself like she she knows that like that's her like superpower and anything that threatens that. For example, her partner porn watching probably would make her upset but I don't know I'm I'm.
[22:33] Mike: She's a vixen.
[22:44] Keith: Who knows what her opinion is on porn watching.
[22:45] Mike: Have you have you ah caught anybody or been caught in one of these sort of traps like hey I saw this in your messages I saw you did this I I looked at your phone I I checked your computer I've never ah had this happen on. Okay.
[22:59] Keith: I haven't either I have pretty good phone security though. Oh I did have something happen once ah this was kind of bad. It was a little bit sad. Actually um I sent I was at a museum in Europe and. Ah, there's this sculpture I don't remember who was by but it's of like a a a a man. There's it's a nude woman. She's sitting down and there's a man like on his knees like basically kissing her feet. He's like he's sort of worshiping her.
[23:31] Mike: Okay.
[23:34] Keith: And I sent that to someone that I was seeing um but I also sent it to someone that I would you know that I was into and um that this is so embarrassing.
[23:44] Mike: Okay, okay.
[23:52] Keith: That person that I was into was actually catfishing me and ah it turned into like a long um, sort of saga but the person that I was seeing helped me find out that this other person was catfishing me. Um. But in in the course of finding that out. She saw her Instagram and sorry hurt their Instagram's let's be honest here. Yes, and the catfisherss instagram had the same picture that I had sent the person I was seeing it was it was it was obviously it was obvious and she was.
[24:13] Mike: The Cat Fishers Instagram. Okay.
[24:21] Mike: Um, from exactly the same angle the exact same time of day. Ok.
[24:27] Keith: Pretty hurt by that I think that was a very reasonable thing to be hurt by because like it was sort of a grand romantic gesture and then finds out that I'm like shotgunning that out to a bunch of people like it was pretty shit. It was pretty shitty of me. Um, it was lame I felt badly and I should have felt badly because it was lame.
[24:45] Mike: It's funny too I mean it's funny in that like I mean shit happens right? Well, it's a question of whether something's representative of the person or unusual for the person to the extent. It's unusual give you the benefit of the doubt there. It's just kind of yeah it's funny. It's like yeah look people people make mistakes.
[24:47] Keith: Well, it's It's a good story now but like ah is.
[24:59] Keith: Right? Well and at the time that I was seeing that person I you know we'd been on like 6 or 7 dates. You know it wasn't like you know we were 3 years into a relationship so it wasn't like yeah I was like cheating on her or whatever it was that.
[25:09] Mike: Um, yeah.
[25:15] Keith: At the time I didn't know if we were going to become a thing or not we ended up but you know I was hedging my pets at the time with someone who is unfortunately a catfish.
[25:21] Mike: Yeah, your your story sounds your story sounds more like say saying the name wrong name during sex like maybe saying the name of your ex and you're like oh crap and it's like it's like just this ingrained behavior. It's a little. Maybe it's a little worse than that because you you didn't accidentally send the message to the other person.
[25:29] Keith: Um, sure. Yeah.
[25:36] Keith: Right? right? right.
[25:40] Mike: But it's it's more like that. But it's not this isn't like getting discovered in some web of deceit. Ah, right? but you would but but to be clear, you would not let somebody in a dating setting.
[25:44] Keith: Yeah, having an affair or whatever.
[25:56] Mike: Use your phone for anything more than absolutely transitory purposes correct me meaning if if somebody said hey I want to I just need to make a call or any be. But you'd be really suspicious of it immediately or because of this kind of stuff.
[26:00] Keith: Yeah, no I wouldn't.
[26:07] Keith: Yes I don't think that asking anybody to use their cell phone is is reasonable actually but I'm very I really look I Really don't like I don't like it when people are like over my shoulder while I'm using my computer or my phone even just.
[26:15] Mike: Um, okay, interesting.
[26:23] Mike: Sure.
[26:26] Keith: Feels like I'm being surveilled and I don't like it.
[26:30] Mike: Well sure it's like ah the time. Ah, you know people. So apparently there's this thing where people don't use their work laptops. You know the laptop issued to you by a job to watch porn have I told you this yeah and and oh my lord, My laptop's just like.
[26:39] Keith: I know and I know that you've watched so much porn on your work laptop that you know.
[26:47] Mike: It's it's it's I don't know I'm not even sure how to characterize it. Ah, even when logged into the company's network like I Just don't think this is a thing that companies really can track or do anything about.
[26:55] Keith: I Think that's not true I think that financial companies sometimes do surveil all outbound traffic and they block certain sites and I bet there are companies more in the past than now I bet there are companies that if they were.
[27:05] Mike: Yeah.
[27:14] Keith: If they saw that employees were using their laptops for porn a lot would say something now I bet they don't because it would it might even be like something you could sue the company for it's like oh you know I'm just meeting my biological needs. You know like I I don't know.
[27:30] Mike: Or what if I was watching Trans Porn or rights as right if I were if ah yeah, if I were the ah Hr department I would definitely or whatever department that would be I would definitely take a don't ask don't tell policy unless it becomes an issue but anyway so.
[27:32] Keith: Right? Yeah, yeah, they just don't want the the smoke of the possible liability of shaming you for for being horny.
[27:47] Mike: I definitely have the experience of taking it. My laptop had a problem and I took it to the help desk when when people used to go to offices and the person's no, no, no, but the person started big but in Chrome or like a typical browser when you start typing the url in the url bar it it auto completes and I think that he was going to a Url. It started with like p o and it was just.
[27:52] Keith: Ah, you have tabs open or they good. Oh yeah, oh it's a disaster.
[28:07] Mike: And and it the thing is it popped up like and and and he he was like yeah there was enough and he said something like this happens all the time and it was a yeah, it was because the company had like an internal website that was P O something and it's just yeah, he's like I think he said something like they should really rename that.
[28:09] Keith: Ah, there's like 72 pornhub suggestions
[28:17] Keith: Right.
[28:23] Mike: But it was just you know and I think that's the right way to deal with stuff like that unless it becomes an issue but sure I mean when I've had to return a laptop I Always you know, remove all all the data because yeah, there is this concern and I can see how in a dating environment. It might be complicated to give your phone to somebody because.
[28:33] Keith: Um, oh yeah.
[28:39] Mike: I had never considered before hearing trinity's list just how much because I mean that means that just while you're in the bathroom or something she could get a lot of data out of there. She could exfiltrate a lot of data. So.
[28:53] Keith: There's a thing I don't like so are you aware, you're probably not aware of this um oftentimes if you meet a girl and ah you ask her for her numbers. She'll be like oh yeah, give me your phone and then she'll like add herself on your Instagram you know and it's supposed to be like.
[29:06] Mike: Um.
[29:09] Keith: Sort of short cuttingtting. You know like her needing to tell me the number or whatever but it's it's sort of like a thing that that gen z does but even to add somebody on Instagram you go to like the ad page and there's a search bar and some suggestions and the suggestions for me are all like you know like young women in bikinis because. That's but like Instagram knows I like that content so you know it's it's trying to increase engagement and so like even that is sort of awkward. Um.
[29:31] Mike: Right.
[29:38] Mike: It's surprising. They don't have some sort of Qr code thing and but they probably do. It's just people don't use it where like you can aim your camera. Yeah, okay, ah.
[29:42] Keith: They do. It's just not what's done. Um I don't know Maybe it's a good sign that like I have attractive young women in my search thing and it it implies I'm virile or or ah.
[29:59] Keith: Into sex or something although women probably don't want that I don't know it's not necessarily. Yeah I agree it's not necessarily negative. Yeah sure. Yeah, if that yeah, um, all right should we move on to some of our topics here.
[30:01] Mike: I Think it's probably a neutral neutral sign Now if you got like some German Shiisa Porn or something in your in your list may be Surprised. Yes.
[30:18] Keith: This person says my fiance rubs my dick for no reason we a 35 year old male and 33 year old female have a great open and communicative sex life but she does something that confuses me if we're laying in bed. She'll reach over and fondle me she likes to tease me and just play with it. Often this will get me going and I'll either fondle her as well or jump on top of her and start sex. You might be saying what's the problem occasionally when we finish she'll make a comment that she didn't actually want to have sex and wasn't trying to initiate. She's okay that we ended up having sex but it wasn't really her goal I've pressed and asked her if she's okay with telling me no. And she insists she's fine but that she's only ro me to tease and because she knows it feels good I guess I'm just confused because she has to know I'm going to escalate I'm thinking she just likes playing innocent and has reasons for not telling me why? Ah, the reason why I brought this up is. I had a therapist once who suggested so um, my partner and I at the time had sort of a dead bedroom situation and the therapist suggested that all sexual contact doesn't have to like lead to sex. And you know we can just like get naked to each other and explore what it feels like to to touch each other and if we get aroused then you know maybe it could lead to sex but it doesn't have to and I always thought that was like a really weird suggestion from the therapist like.
[31:42] Keith: What percentage of sexual encounters for married couples. Do you think don't end in the man orgasming or like or like don't have the expectation that they're going to end in the man orgasming.
[31:52] Mike: Almost almost none don't have the expectation. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[31:55] Keith: Sorry, there was like a double.. There's like a double negative there. But yeah, like the expectation is that like most physical encounters are going to lead to the man orgasming like there isn't the thing that teenagers have where it's like oh we're just going to make out for hours on end and. You know, maybe grind against each other a bit but you know if and or orgasms aren't likely.
[32:16] Mike: Um, there's yeah, there's something weird about that advice to me in that it feels well here's what it feels like it feels to me like ah you know like you're you're on an Nfl team. And you have and a little bit of an unusual situation. You're on the offense and the offensive coordinator comes out and gives you a defensive play right? It's like they're giving you a play from I think like the wrong playbook this sounds like something that would be adviced to a woman and the reason why is because women often are more interested in just intimacy kind of yeah intimacy bonding this kind of stuff. But.
[32:36] Keith: Great.
[32:49] Mike: So So for a woman who is kind of avoidant dead Bedroom E or whatever it might it makes some sense to me that a therapist might say ok look you could get some benefit out of just having the intimacy from it but for a guy I don't think that's going to be a good solution I think that a guy Like. Do you I mean do you have much interest in a platonic way and hanging out with women's bodies if you aren't allowed to enjoy get any sexual enjoyment from it. It just from a guy's perspective I'm not that interested in intimacy and like closeness.
[33:19] Keith: I Mean with somebody that I've never been with sure. Yeah, um, um.
[33:26] Mike: Yeah, but that's but but that's because you're going to fantasize about them later like you're getting you have Perian and let's let's say that I turned off your sex drives. You couldn't get anything out of it for somebody or maybe let's let's make them some ethnicity. You're just not attracted to or something like that. There's something about them.
[33:39] Keith: Um, yeah.
[33:41] Mike: Yeah, you're just going to be like this is repulsive or annoying annoying is probably the right word.
[33:44] Keith: No I think it would be something like um, giving someone a back massage. It's like almost a little bit of a chore. Yeah.
[33:50] Mike: Yeah,, that's right? So It's yeah and and I mean to some extent. So So it's so it actually calls to my mind like what would I don't think that's the right advice for a therapist to give a guy I'm not sure. Actually what obviously yeah well you would probably say if there's some advice you thought is was useful and. I Think the main advice you think is useful is to find a new a novel female partner right? to sort of rekindle right? but it strikes me that you probably don't actually have any sort of actual advice for a guy in that situation. A guy who's perpetrating or the cause of a dead bedroom.
[34:13] Keith: That is pretty reliably arousing. Yes.
[34:28] Mike: Like there's not much.
[34:28] Keith: No I I don't I mean try new stuff I think novelty is the thing but the the the reason why the ah passion phases or whatever is usually because the novelty fades or at least in my experience.
[34:33] Mike: Right.
[34:43] Mike: Yeah I mean sitting around naked together seems like it could actually exacerbate the problem from like it when it's a guy I I could imagine it being helpful if it's the woman right? Yeah, actually yeah, this is this is sort of the point is I actually could see it being better.
[34:49] Keith: Yeah, it's too available right? yeah.
[35:01] Mike: Like my advice might be something more like hey don't ever be naked together like to the woman like close the door when you shower like make sure you you know where where don't go around the house naked go around with like a bikini on and it's not. It's yeah, it's because yeah men fantasize about what they can't see.
[35:03] Keith: Yeah, right.
[35:12] Keith: Yes.
[35:20] Mike: Like whatever you cover men are going to fantasize about even if it's kind of stupid.
[35:20] Keith: Yes, there's a I think maybe the world's most famous therapist right? now is this woman named Esther Perel and she has a book called mating and captivity and then she had a later book that was anyway she talks a lot about like ah. Keeping mystery in your relationship and not making everything is open and that kind of stuff. So yeah, she would agree with you here. Ah I wanted this is the conversation I wanted to have based on this thread but do you have any speculation as to why this woman might be.
[35:47] Mike: And.
[35:53] Keith: Grabbing his dick without the intention of it leading to a sexual encounter.
[35:58] Mike: Well aside from the guess that it just she just wants intimacy. She wants like emotional or like bonding but she doesn't want to have sex I'm not I mean it's a I'm I'm not sure it's it's it seems like she I I think sometimes people have difficulty understanding what's happening in a situation. And so she may just not understand sexual situations that well or the male role in sexual Situations. So what?? What's what sort of it makes the situation interesting to men and I think it's better for women to achieve an understanding of that that like yeah I mean it's it's it's Fine. It's just he's going to want to nut.
[36:19] Keith: Yeah.
[36:32] Keith: Yeah, like she's trying to initiate some sort of like intimate contact and he's reading it as sexual contact and to the man there well to the man. Well yes, objectively it is to the man. There's not much difference period but to a woman I think there there is but.
[36:40] Mike: What But it is.
[36:52] Mike: Yeah I mean there's another thing I would I would wonder which is is there something about what's happening there that she doesn't like so um I think that it's useful in a relationship for there to be a low touch way for the guy to get his nut like ah a way that doesn't require you know.
[36:52] Keith: Yeah.
[37:07] Keith: Yeah, all the effort. Yeah yeah, yeah.
[37:09] Mike: Her to do that much right? like I and actually think it's an offramp that men now. Okay, admittedly depending on this the duration and strength of your relationship. It might be embarrassing to just you know the the first third 3 or 5 or 10 or whatever sexual encounters you have with a new girlfriend. You probably don't want to say hey. Ah. This time I'm going to make it easy on you and I'm going to go beat off into the toiletters I mean you don't want to be doing that and maybe that's not your move of choice. But I think at some point it is useful to have some kind of off ramp like that. So the woman realizes that she so the man can play a role here in helping her realize that she can get you aroused and you don't have to she doesn't have to.
[37:30] Keith: Right? right.
[37:48] Keith: Right? yeah.
[37:48] Mike: Have a penis inserted in her and as a guy it behooves you to do that because then you're going to get more sex now.
[37:55] Keith: Yeah, yeah, that all makes sense all right, Let's move on. Um, just.
[37:57] Mike: And it behooves though. It behooves the woman to be cool with that if women are like oh no I That's so embarrassing. Why are you beating off, It's like well now you're being stupid Now you're being crazy. Yeah, right.
[38:04] Keith: Yeah,, that's that's sort of a a separate topic right? Okay, this person says my girlfriend will talk on the phone during sex recently as we have been more comfortable with sex and it's been more routine. My girlfriend has taken to answering certain calls she gets while we have sex just certain calls. Just last night. Her sister called her and maybe was the position doggy but she's like oh it's my sister and starts chit chatting with her. So I slow down my action since I figure you know she's on the phone I do admit in a weird way. It was a little exciting after she hung up we finished Well he finished so is this completely weird that she does this could this mean sex is getting boring to her. It's not so much interfering with sex yet. But I don't know I'm 23 and she's twenty one by the way the number one comment is have your phone with you next time and call her yourself during the act I thought that was funny. Ah this can't be a good sign right.
[38:58] Mike: Well, there is a subreddit for this, you know yes the board and ignored subreddit and so there's I mean ok, it's probably it's probably not a good sign. But I mean on the other hand. It's worth noting that the mail is the more active participant.
[39:02] Keith: Yeah, what? what? bored and ignored. Yeah.
[39:17] Mike: And so I mean there's a psychological state that women can have fun in where they are participating in sort of feeling like oh he's doing this to me is I'm arousing him? Whatever However, you think of about it but doesn't always yeah you can I think it's common for women not to be in that state and so then it's sort of.
[39:35] Keith: Um, I mean let's say they're really leading into this. You know they like a book next to the bedside table that they pick up or you know get their laptop out to do some work like are they wet in this situation.
[39:36] Mike: How are they going to play act.
[39:50] Mike: I Don't think so I mean I hear one of the top things on board and ignored right now is ah called what's the title coming on my wife while she's working on her laptop and it's precisely that she's just working on her laptop and then he is going to put a bunch of nut on her hand.
[40:05] Keith: Is it. It doesn't get on our keyboard.
[40:06] Mike: I mean that makes it harder for her to do her work. Always concerned about the the device. No. No they they they sort of carefully. Do it here's a woman a negular one that says it's called texting a friend at the same time. She's just beating him off while she has her phone her phone's in her left hand. His cock is in her right hand. It must be. Actually hard to text with 1 hand and jerk off someone with your right hand. Although yeah, but when you think about it men do that all the time when they're beating off right? because you you control the computer while beating off. Um.
[40:28] Keith: Yeah, it's like it's like patting your stomach and doing circles on your head at the same time you know it's doable but tricky.
[40:39] Keith: Yeah, yeah I think they're sort of discrete things. You know I move the mouse a bit click a couple times and then stroke move and stroke move and stroke.
[40:52] Mike: Here's a woman who looks suspiciously like trinity from early in the show earlier sucking on ah the head of a guy's cock wall reading our phone I don't know I mean it's a it's It's a fetish.
[41:03] Keith: Excited to explore trinities Ura later but again assuming she's over eighteen I'm really worried about this. We might have to cut out this old show. Ah.
[41:08] Mike: It gets its repetitive. Yeah, okay, ah she I'm sure she hasn't only fans. Yeah I'm sure she hasn't only fans you can check out I'm I'm sure she's 18 Um.
[41:20] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[41:24] Mike: Here trying to lift weights and my boyfriend came all over my face Now that's just rude So this woman has their their. She's in their home gym and she's sort of she's she's doing kind of bench press with some dumbbells and he just Jizzes all over her face and the problem is I mean she has to put down the dumbbells to clean her face. So yeah, this is definitely a ah.
[41:31] Keith: Ah.
[41:43] Mike: Ah thing I don't know if that's what's going on in this particular relationship.
[41:44] Keith: Ah I mean could this be a fetish for the woman is there any way that this could be like more arousing to her but whenever I see this the woman. Yes, she looks bored. She doesn't look like Maximally aroused.
[41:59] Mike: Well in the in the in the subreddit I think it's a fetish that they're kind of playing into just like there's Cuck fetishes. And yeah there there but but I think this woman who's taking a phone call I think that.
[42:06] Keith: They're meant to be bored. Yeah.
[42:13] Mike: I Think that understanding the emotional tone of sex for for men can be complicated for women like you can they don't they don't I think it can be complicated for women to understand the level to which ah men take that act very seriously. It's like it's like how serious men are about like repairing their car or something.
[42:31] Keith: Yeah.
[42:33] Mike: Yeah, and they don't They don't want you like you know, just fool This is this is important stuff going on here. Don't fool around you know.
[42:38] Keith: right right um all right I think we've all right? Let's move on this person asks. We've talked about this before. Let me see what did I write down in my note here? Oh ok, yes, all right? What do I do after I finish giving head. What should I do after I finish giving a blowjob every time I give head I swallow it because I know that guys like that and I enjoy making the guys I suck I'll feel good. Okay, so far so good. Sometimes I want to kiss them because I like them. But they always say I'm not kissing you after I just nutted in your mouth. Okay, so far I'm on board here and it just makes me. Feel so awkward and used especially when they sometimes even tell me to swallow sometimes tell you it's sort of her call anyway, how do I deal with this It's not like I can make himcom in my mouth l o l like that verb uncom like do I just go to the bathroom and wash my mouth and then come back to kiss him or what it just feels so weird. So we've discussed this before and in the context of yeah like I can understand the woman feeling sort of used um but the first comment is guy here. No kiss no blowjob simple as that you should feel comfortable. And he should feel comfortable with you kissing him after a blowjob and then somebody else goes I'm not a guy but I agree with this role. My boyfriend lets me kiss him after a blowjob. It's from his body. So what makes the difference especially if you swallowed it not like it's all over your face. Ah what's wrong with this.
[44:06] Keith: Men don't they like real sex one shouldn't give a damn even when she has it all over her face. Um, anyway I was shocked at these responses like these all have ah thousands of upvotes. Ah, maybe.
[44:20] Mike: A little ah pandering there I think yeah, we've we've definitely had this this general topic recently I mean the the yeah that because I remember saying that um ah that women should.
[44:32] Mike: Women should lean into the more submissive role of like look he's done this thing to you and now you're sort of fouled for a while and women can like sort of get into that. It's It's a little. It's It's a little sexual in that there's like sort of the role. The the exaggeration of the roles. But yeah I mean the notion that somebody would say that a man say would take the position that ah.
[44:43] Keith: Right.
[44:52] Mike: What does he want he wants I Guess he's imagining that he that the man would lick the semen off of her face I Guess that's where that's going.
[44:56] Keith: I I I just I just can't imagine I think it's normal for men not to want to interact with their own semen especially after they've just produced it which unfortunately paradoxical paradoxically is the only time.
[45:08] Mike: Yes.
[45:13] Keith: The opportunity to interact with it exists.
[45:17] Mike: Okay, there is there was a subreddit for this called come kiss it got banned though. Thank thankfully? um, that's going to be snowballing right? Um, and you know you think to yourself. Oh it's going to be 2 It's going to be an MFF scenario where ah, the semen is moving between.
[45:18] Keith: Oh Jesus thankfully thank god.
[45:31] Keith: Ah, now.
[45:34] Mike: 2 women snowballing by the way got banned slash our slash snowballing got banned a year ago. Um, what happens is it's it. It's because the subreds were unmoderated. Yeah, um, so yes, which which itself is odd I guess fewer and fewer people want to moderate.
[45:37] Keith: Why what's wrong with snowballing I mean I find it repulsive but.
[45:52] Keith: Sex subreddits. Yeah good thing you're here.
[45:54] Mike: Ah, Porn subreddits these days. Ah, but yeah, you can find porn. Yeah I'm here you can find porn where people do this activity. It's kind of rare though and I think that I don't I certainly never talked to a guy. Yeah.
[46:09] Keith: That's because no men want to see it and most porn is made for men.
[46:13] Mike: Right? And it's it's rare. Yeah, ah I mean and and I can understand a woman's perspective I mean it's ah women I have actually this is a good question for you have you ever encountered a woman who is reluctant after your penis Submitter Vagina tab it put in her mouth like oh I don't want to taste my own fluids.
[46:31] Keith: Um I I think once but it's like a shadow of a memory I'm not sure in general in general like women are totally fine with it.
[46:32] Mike: Whether or not, you'd come. Let's see you hadn't. Right? So That's unusual, right? Although to be fair I think the right analogy there is something like if you've been doing Pi V Sex Let's say there's no condom or lube involved and then she wants you to give her oral sex but you have not ejaculated.
[46:53] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm fine with that. Yeah I don't think men don't have vagina so there isn't a perfect analogy here but it would be like yeah tasting your own sweat or something. It's It's fine.
[46:55] Mike: Like I think most guys wouldn't care because they're still aroused and there's not a whole lot of male fluid down there. So there's some sort of phased transition that happens here.
[47:08] Mike: Right? right? So there's yeah, there's some, there's There's some difference that happens when the fluid is exchanged and women should women should yeah I mean it's it's I don't know it's interesting that it's pretty monolithic very very very few men are into come kissing.
[47:27] Keith: Um, do you think that gay men are more into come kissing have we.
[47:29] Mike: Well I mean we've discussed this before I suspect that the second that I suspect that the first guy to come in a gay couple. Let's say that you're giving giving each other mutually giving each other blowjob like I my guess is the the you'd rather be the second guy to come because the first guy to come now has to. Interact with the other guy's penis after having come and it's kind of a chore right? Whereas if you're the second one that comes you're still kind of yeah you're still kind of excited. You might be beating off or whatever wall while while giving oral to the other guy I don't know I've actually never had a conversation with a gay man about this Ah yeah, I'm not sure I want to. But.
[47:52] Keith: Okay, so there's game game Theory Yeah um, but okay.
[48:04] Keith: Um, do you do you share my surprise that there's three point Eight Thousand upvots for the guy that says guy here. No kiss no blowjob simple as that like is implies. There's this whole cohort of people out there that think that men should be absolutely fine.
[48:23] Keith: Kissing their partner after he comes in their mouth and I don't think I mean look maybe I'm close minded and I'm selfish and whatever. But I think that most men would not.
[48:38] Mike: Um, yeah.
[48:39] Keith: Be into this and so I'm just a little bit surprised by the ah you know, almost shaming of men who are like that.
[48:45] Mike: I Think yeah I mean I there did there does seem to be a culture of people wanting to vigorously defend. Whatever attack the status Quo Attack. What's viewed is kind of like the the the. Yeah, the status Quo What? what? the the received wisdom about this sort of stuff and so I'm sort of imagining. It's coming from that. It's basically people want to they say look you know it could it. It could be better if this happened it's a little bit like you trying to crusade on a oneman crusade for women not to have to swallow Swallow jizz.
[49:08] Keith: Yeah.
[49:23] Mike: To some extent and I mean it's because you think you're somehow helping women but actually you're hurting them. You're hurting women Keith and the reason why is because you're ah you're encouraging your your discouraging functional relationships because because them doing this act is part of what makes them happy by putting them into a more fun. They can like it. You can like it directly but also it helps them be more functional relationships. So yeah, so saying like oh men are so weird for having this feeling. It's like okay, but if if every time a man had to have sex with a had a sex with a woman he had to so say take a straw and suck out his semen there would there would be no, there'd be no children.
[49:55] Keith: Yeah, right.
[50:01] Mike: It would be really hard. Yeah, you there would well not and there wouldn't just be no children because the semen had all been sucked out of the vagina. That's not what I meant I meant because guys would just be like look I Just don't want to do this and so you right? and frankly and by the way that's like what's happening is the the rate.
[50:05] Keith: No I understand what you're saying I understand yeah I'd rather masturbate.
[50:18] Mike: Ah, Keith's personal experience. Notwithstanding the rate of men being interested in dating and having sex is declining.
[50:22] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, that the the second most popular comment is what you just said does he kiss you after he's been down on you if he does reject him in the same way like that's just not the right analogy. Um I understand why it feels like a checkmate.
[50:36] Mike: If.
[50:41] Keith: You know like it feels like a ah what would you call it a burn. Um, but it's just not. Yeah, you're not owning anything by by making that comment. So anyway, all right, go for it.
[50:43] Mike: Yeah.
[50:52] Mike: The you may may may hang on what I want to say 1 more thing maybe the right analogy would be since oh oh and I wanted it by the way by the way, let me I just there's something I want to do here because our our podcast got some new reviews. This is probably the right time in the podcast to read them anyway. Um.
[51:00] Keith: Okay.
[51:06] Keith: I Wondered if you were going to bring these up.
[51:10] Mike: So yeah I forgot about that. So ah, if if as these review at least 1 of these reviewers claim when a woman squirts. It's not urine then maybe I assume the women would be fine with the man sort of catching that squirt in his mouth and then transferring it back to the woman's mouth because of course she doesn't want to. She doesn't mind consuming it because it's not urine. Um, course it is urine. So she you know, maybe that's a better analogy. Okay.
[51:30] Keith: Okay, you got to read the co ok all right for our newer listeners. Ah Mike and I both strongly feel that squirt is 99 point Nine 9 9% urine and that people that claim it is some other mysterious fluid. Are obviously wrong. They have done Mris and cat scans on the human body we can see there is not a reservoir that holds another fluid and you can also do tests on the squirt itself and it is urine and so anyway this reviewer said.
[51:52] Mike: Um.
[52:03] Mike: Yeah, so I want to say that? Yeah, since these reviewers reviewed it. We've got a few I think 5 star reviews are generally our reviews are pretty positive. 4.6 out of 5 That's good. Ah, but but but like many podcasts or like some somewhat controversial podcast. Our podcast has very few 2 3 and 4 star reviews.
[52:18] Keith: Right? correct. Okay.
[52:20] Mike: A lot of 5 star and a few one star. Okay so these recent ones are 1 ne-star reviews this is a person named Ben Sani who the title of the review is mansplaining central which actually I I agree with that for the most part although we do have female guests and we but we do have female guests and we do not. It's not like we've had women come on and just.
[52:29] Keith: Yes, guilty is charged.
[52:40] Mike: Dress us down and point by point review what we say Actually we tend to have women on that are pretty smart and then agree with us. Okay, yeah, yeah, so if someone wants if some woman wants to come on the podcast and and just show us where we're wrong like bring it on I Just don't.
[52:40] Keith: Right? I know I know they agree with us. Yeah, it's someone disappointing. It's like we were. We're ready we you know we've girded our our yeah but.
[52:56] Keith: Please do yeah with we're interested in good faith debate.
[52:59] Mike: Think that's very likely yeah or bad faith even if they if they just have things we can make fun of but okay so this person says let's start with the episode around squirting in normal female Orgasms I'm not sure which episode it becomes very clear. Yeah.
[53:10] Keith: Yeah, we've covered that many times.
[53:15] Mike: Becomes very clear very quickly that neither of the hosts has had a wide range of sexual experiences. Obviously they've never seen my my spreadsheet. Um, it's frustrating to listen to them try to disprove that squirting is anything other than peeing or that a woman can have waves of building orgasms.
[53:18] Keith: All That's mean.
[53:33] Mike: It is clear that neither one of them have been part of an experience where their partner is moving in deep pleasure without feeling judgment or shame this is understandable considering the sex negative attitudes of the host I I assume they mean Keith well any type of sex that they have not experienced that is.
[53:48] Keith: Ah.
[53:51] Mike: Also using an image of this. This is a reasonable critique using an image of 2 women for their podcast when it's actually 2 guys is pretty misleading I mean how do you? Yeah well, how do you know? it's not us I think that's sort of transphobic to say that those pictures aren't us. Okay.
[53:56] Keith: Well, it's meant to be misleading where we're trying to get listeners if we had 2 pictures of of 2 middle aged men I don't think that would be as enticing oh that's true. Great point.
[54:11] Mike: Then they say that being said, this is in a onetar review. They admit that there's a nice Rhythm rice rhythm to our banter as long as you don't listen to what they are saying um you have any comments on that review other than what you've said so far.
[54:19] Keith: I Like that they think we have a nice rhythm I agree with them on that particular topic I Do think that the most common critique we get is that we're ignorant and that we think we're not ignorant. We think we're enlightened I Just I think that.
[54:23] Mike: Yeah, you should? yeah.
[54:38] Keith: It is true that we think we're enlightened but I think it is not true that we are not interested in having conversations and exploring the topics. We. We do go against some of the you know I guess woke status quo as we just got done talking about. But. I Don't think we're closed minded to various critiques of us. In fact, we enjoy listening to well-formed critiques of us or well-formed arguments that go against things we think and I feel like we like the whole point of this podcast is to talk about it and explore it and try to. You know, steal me on our positions and I think we do a pretty good job of it and I think a lot of people find it insulting because instead of having like a actual defense against the things we're saying it's easier to just say that we're mansplaining and is saying that we've never had sex and.
[55:15] Mike: Right.
[55:34] Keith: You know that kind of stuff.
[55:36] Mike: the ah the I think one of the tests of whether somebody's of of some of the things this person said about us is whether people change their views when confronted with contrary evidence and there have been some things where our views have shifted over the years um or at least we at least we platform alternate stuff I don't think there's anything one of these people could be told that would convince them that squirt is urine and squirt is urine. So it's rough. Um.
[56:03] Keith: Ah, yeah, it's really tricky because the example they bring up is something that they are demonstrably objectively wrong about and so it it sort of calls into question their their entire critique. It's like oh these men are so dumb they think this and this is true.
[56:10] Mike: It's the stupidest example I'm right.
[56:20] Keith: So It's a little hard to take the critique seriously but you know in general I Know we say things that are you know, sort of counter to the way that culture is moving these days but I think we try to explore things fully and and again. Love having guests on anyone who wants to come on and talk to Us. We'll be Nice. We'll have like Civil debate. Um, we we have our opinions and we'll express them. But you know if you're so positive you're right? and you're so outreachd by what we're saying like come on come on come on the show.
[56:50] Mike: Yeah I mean we would even I would I guess I'd be willing to fund somebody squirting and then have it tested I know what I I know what the test will come back with but you know.
[56:59] Keith: Oh yeah, we could have them. We could have them pee on a bucket and then um squirt in a bucket and then we can you know do double blind tests to see if they can tell the difference between which is which.
[57:08] Mike: Now right? The important thing is that it be in a bucket not in not in a pipet or a test tube. It's got to be in a bucket right? I just like the idea of someone squirting into like a home depot bucket. Okay, let me let me read the second one real quick. Okay.
[57:20] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[57:28] Mike: I have listened to multiple episodes of this podcast including some of the first ones published and they are all the same. It is just 2 horny uninformed uneducated disrespectful men each episode was the same. There should be 2 men reading off questions they received about sex. That's okay.
[57:29] Keith: No thank you m.
[57:47] Mike: With each question. The 2 men would dissect the question and belittle the one who asked the question rarely would they get to the point of answering the actual question, their insights consist of their massive experience with pornography their ample experience masturbating and the experience they've had with sex. This is a 1 star review by the way.
[58:00] Keith: Um.
[58:05] Keith: I.
[58:05] Mike: Multiple times each episode women are disrespected by being called Ugly being put down and being so called the lesser sex I definitely have never said that even though I do I do think that but I haven't said it. The men do not know.
[58:13] Keith: Ah, yeah I don't think either of us right.
[58:19] Mike: I don't what lesser means that Ben do not know their anatomy psychology sociology or any other ology for that matter probably theology I know I know they they don't know their religions. Oh it is the neck. Okay, they don't know their religions or what they believe this podcast is a joke.
[58:26] Keith: We've been complimented. We've been complimented by doctors for the accuracy in our anatomy.
[58:37] Keith: Who.
[58:39] Mike: If this might be the same person because then they said if I were to say one good thing about this podcast is that it is diverse and we'll talk about all sexuality. So it feels sort of formulaic like they say a bunch of negative stuff. Um, so the thing about on the on the horny and uninformed uneducated disrespectful men I think that our level of porn masturbating and horniness.
[58:55] Keith: Um, ah yeah I think that's right.
[58:58] Mike: I'm sorry to tell you is pretty average. It's pretty average so to the extent that the extent women think oh all these other men aren't this way and some aren't some are gonna be. There's a spectrum. Yeah, but to the extent that they think that like were way at 1 of The Bell Curve yeah you're wrong.
[59:07] Keith: Yeah, some people are like ned flanders right.
[59:17] Mike: And so like you're you must live in a really weird world because like dudes the average dude is beating off a lot a lot and using a lot of porn I mean just look at the stats for porn hub or any of these sites. They're consistently some of the top sites on the internet etc So it's just not. Yeah.
[59:22] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[59:32] Keith: Yeah, what do they say we're we're ignorant was that was that in there uneducated Oh that's just hurts. That's true. That's that's a that's a fair.
[59:39] Mike: Oh yeah, yeah, yes, and we don't know or any yeah we don't know any ologies and we have ample experience with mastertating. Ah, it is true. Yeah.
[59:51] Keith: Fair criticism or fair accusation.
[59:56] Mike: Yeah, anyway, yeah no, it's not they're not totally wrong in the things they say but it's too bad that people get triggered like that. So.
[59:56] Keith: Um, yeah.
[01:00:03] Keith: Yeah I don't really know how to respond to stuff like that like surely if if those reviewers or reviewer hear us doing this. We're verifying in their minds. What they wrote right? like we We we read a thing off and then we belittle the person. Ah, but oh.
[01:00:22] Mike: I I guess it's belittling I mostly feel sorry I feel sorry for people who it's ironic because the zeitgeist of the the moment right now in our culture is that everybody there. There are these people who view other people as close minded.
[01:00:37] Keith: Are.
[01:00:39] Mike: But they themselves are closed-minded. There's this thing going on in our culture when when when people call somebody a name. It's because it's like maybe it's always been that way. They they themselves that that name typically fits them themselves. Um, so yeah, we're aware of many different things sexually. But but we're we're mostly dealing with facts here and not.
[01:00:48] Keith: Um, yeah I mean.
[01:00:56] Mike: Not just random musings. We're not being close minded.
[01:00:59] Keith: Or at least we're absolutely trying to and if somebody thinks they can come and demonstrate to us how we're where we're ignoring facts. Please show us like we are interested in. You know, well formed ah counter arguments to the things we espouse here.
[01:01:16] Mike: Um, right.
[01:01:16] Keith: But but yeah, lobbying ad hominm attacks is not a demonstration that we're wrong I don't think.
[01:01:24] Mike: Yeah I don't think we're going to get much debate. We ah these these are these sniff smell. They have the smell the odor of criticisms from people enmeshed in the taboo culture of wokism. So I don't think we're going to get much much much opportunity to debate these folks they would just shout us down.
[01:01:35] Keith: Um, yeah.
[01:01:38] Keith: Yeah, all right? Well this is as good a time as any to remind people that they can send us feedback or questions to YMMvPod at gmail.com and yes if you would like you can review us on what is it called Apple music is that the.
[01:01:40] Mike: And yell.
[01:01:56] Keith: Or Apple Podcasts okay everything Spotify.
[01:01:57] Mike: It's just the podcast sap and and also we yeah we have reviews on Spotify we have a lot we have around the same number of followers on Spotify and Apple so I guess people are equally liked it and then there's a bunch of other ones that people use to listen pocket casts and stuff.
[01:02:09] Keith: Yeah, smaller ones? Yeah, um, we pay $10 for any feedback. So just give us your paypal or cash up or whatever when you give us feedback and if you ask us a question. Let us know if you don't want us to use it on the show that'll do it for this episode of your mileage may vary. We appreciate your time and we'll catch you next week

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Episode 152: Loyalty Tests, Phone Rummaging, Intimate Vs Sexual Touching, Cumkiss Speculations

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