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Episode 16: Extreme Sexual Stamina, Where to Ejaculate, Post-Orgasm Torture

Team YMMV | 9-2-2020 | 1:03:00

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The YMMV guys wax poetic about sex.

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  • [0:07] Keith: I mean, especially if it's like with an early sexual partner like, Yeah, I don't know. I'm not comfortable, like jerking myself off, like in front of them.
  • [0:14] Mike: That's interesting. Really, really. So, like your first couple encounters, you avoid touching your Penis with your hand,
  • [0:18] Keith: I think generally yes, huh?
  • [0:30] Keith: It's quite interesting.
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  • [1:40] Keith: Um, OK, so, Mike, we spoke a lot on the last episode about timing. Um, and I was speaking to a female friend
  • [1:46] Keith: about a new partner of hers, and she said something sort of interesting about stamina. You ready? Yeah.
  • [1:56] Keith: Okay, So she was mostly complaining that his politics were annoying, that they've been on, like, I think, maybe a few dates. Um,
  • [2:01] Keith: but then she said he is super cute and can last for one plus hours.
  • [2:09] Keith: And then, you know, that immediately rang a bell for me Since we were discussing this recently, and I was like, Is that desirable? And she was, like, Absolutely yes.
  • [2:10] Keith: And so
  • [2:17] Keith: that sort of flies in the face of our discussion. Last episode where we got, like, stamina
  • [2:31] Keith: maybe didn't seem like the most important consideration, But like I think for her, that's like the standard is so important to her that she's willing to, like, forego sort of non sexual things that are important to her in order to
  • [2:32] Keith: enjoy that.
  • [2:35] Mike: Well, im I'm interested in Ah,
  • [2:41] Mike: well, I'm also a little bit interested in why his politics are annoying, but setting that aside, uh, just
  • [2:43] Mike: go anywhere. All right? All right.
  • [2:49] Mike: Um, but Ah, yeah, but okay. Say, focusing in on this, Like, did she say any more about
  • [2:57] Keith: that? Or she didn't. And I can I can follow up, but yeah, but I did not.
  • [2:59] Mike: Okay. I mean, because
  • [3:03] Mike: there are a few things that I would think of their I mean, I mean, the first one is
  • [3:07] Mike: I sort of wonder whether she said that to you
  • [3:11] Mike: because she knows that's the kind of thing that impresses a guy.
  • [3:16] Mike: So she's trying to signal that, like, he's great, even though, like,
  • [3:22] Mike: if she really thought about yes, you ask her if she cares about that. She said absolutely. And there was no further like, that's the end of the conversation.
  • [3:27] Keith: Yeah, I did not interrogate her and explore around the edges of why she she she was saying that,
  • [3:31] Mike: Yeah. I mean, also, there's a couple of the things I would say here one is that like,
  • [3:35] Mike: um, at least online. Like if you took
  • [3:42] Mike: let's let's take the e set of women who are really into their boyfriends and post on the sex subreddit.
  • [3:44] Mike: And
  • [4:03] Mike: ah, but there were there were the other really happy in their relationships. And let's take the average Penis size that they claim their boyfriend house. Okay, Yeah, that that Penis size is substantially larger than what we know to be the population average of something like 5 to 5.5 inches. Yes, they'll say eight, they'll say nine. They see these numbers that are outrageous, right? Um and so
  • [4:17] Mike: I think that in many cases when people are happy with somebody, they will they will say things that just aren't really believable. And so I'm already like the our thing. I'm thinking to myself, like, that could actually be, like, 15 minutes, right? Um
  • [4:23] Mike: and also there's a Yeah. I mean, look, this this really does deserve interrogation on some level because it's like, Well, when she says an hour like, does that literally mean
  • [4:28] Mike: that he's back there or whatever on top of her thrusting in and out for an hour.
  • [4:29] Mike: What she means by
  • [4:31] Keith: that love. I'm gonna
  • [4:32] Keith: add the okay.
  • [4:37] Keith: What? You're taking notes? Yeah. You haven't kind of ask her these follow up questions,
  • [4:38] Mike: right?
  • [4:44] Mike: Yeah. I mean, like so I mean, if what she means is she is that the entire count encounter lasts that long?
  • [4:51] Mike: Uh, I mean that, Yeah, I think that could just mean the like. She's basically like saying she's signaling that he isn't
  • [4:57] Mike: a guy who's just gonna get it over with really fast and rolled over and that right? I could see that being desirable.
  • [5:23] Keith: Yeah. I mean, yeah. And importantly, like when we're discussing this last episode, it was like, OK, if the first initial encounter doesn't last very long, like, how? How important is that? And I think we sort of generally agreed that it's not that important if you do that every time, that's bad. And so yeah, having some amount of ability to last is desirable. But yeah, I mean, an hour seems, but you're probably right. Like what she thinks is an hour is not
  • [5:24] Keith: an hour.
  • [5:34] Mike: Yeah, it's either that the time is shorter or that, like what's happening in that hour is a varied set of things. And then I would say, Honestly, that's pretty normal. On some level, I
  • [5:45] Keith: can see, right? Right? Yeah. Especially for like, yeah, your first dozen or so sexual encounters where everyone sort of on their best behavior. Yeah, there's probably some foreplay. And then, you know, they go down on each other and then, you know,
  • [5:48] Keith: right, you can imagine that
  • [5:50] Keith: taking an amount of time, that seems like in an hour, anyway,
  • [5:52] Mike: I mean, even, like I mean, like,
  • [6:00] Mike: yeah, I mean, like, Ah, I'm not sure what, like timeframe for the entire encounter. Somebody would label like a quickie, but that's probably
  • [6:20] Mike: 15 minutes or 10 minutes, like so. I mean, it's not like, if something Yeah, I think the fear, the great fear I could see it. A woman having or uncomfortableness would be around it, taking like, two minutes because the issue is like if a sexual things gonna happen between a man and woman that only last two minutes, I promise you that there's only one person who's going to enjoy that, and it's the guy.
  • [6:26] Mike: Yeah. That's if the odds that the woman is going to enjoy that X far, far lower for the man. So
  • [6:31] Keith: that's right. Okay. Um okay, fine. Um, I want to be like, Yeah,
  • [6:33] Mike: it would be great to get details around. We could you could come back.
  • [6:41] Keith: I'm gonna follow up, and then, yeah, we'll start with the next steps. You're with the response. Um,
  • [6:44] Keith: okay. I want to talk about this, uh,
  • [6:58] Keith: this this notion of, like, somebody wanting photos or videos of you. So and then, Yeah. We have topics that are on both sides that both from a male side and a female's I do you think I should read both of them first? Or should we discuss the male side first or how should we
  • [6:59] Mike: punish you? Read in both.
  • [7:31] Keith: Okay. All right. So, person one says, would you be uncomfortable knowing someone masturbated thinking that you were looking at your photo? I see a lot of talk about masturbating to crushes on celebrities, but it makes me feel like I am objectifying them, at least in part. I know the actor is consenting to being sexual sexualized. I get really turned on when I think about hooking up with my crushes, but I can't go through with the deed while thinking about them are looking at their photo about this person is very different for me. If it were someone I had already been intimate with or given permission to, I wouldn't personally be uncomfortable with them doing this or vice versa. But otherwise I feel it is violating.
  • [7:37] Keith: So that's what the first person says on. Then the second person
  • [7:51] Keith: says, How would you feel if the girl you're dating called you? She masturbated to videos of you. I know this might seem like a weird question. I asked my boyfriend pretty adamantly to send me a specific video of him. I wanted to masturbate to ask me why I needed it, and I kind of wanted
  • [7:58] Keith: I kind of wanted to say the reason, but I know it could be perceived as creepy When men jerkoff two videos of women, what might be a typical male reaction?
  • [7:59] Keith: Yeah,
  • [8:11] Keith: so yeah, I mean, there's a few things to unpack your The first thing is, I mean, I have definitely masturbated to photos of celebrities and crushes, and I don't feel guilty about it?
  • [8:12] Mike: Yeah. I mean, that's
  • [8:15] Mike: ultra common, right? I mean, like, it's I mean, I
  • [8:17] Mike: Yeah, like, I think.
  • [8:23] Mike: Yeah, well, I mean, it's it's ultra common male to female, right? Like the other direction.
  • [8:28] Mike: I think it's probably substantially less common. And the types of content
  • [8:36] Mike: that are gonna cause that behavior a little bit different, right? I mean, what would you think? The difference in the types of content is there?
  • [8:39] Keith: Well, yeah, I suppose men
  • [8:41] Keith: prefer
  • [8:58] Keith: bikini photos Are, you know, scantily clad type things and women, I would guess. Or less. I mean, that's probably also compelling, but I think men would be surprised by the types of things that women want to see of them.
  • [9:00] Mike: Yeah. I mean, I think
  • [9:03] Mike: the one consistent thing I've seen is like
  • [9:07] Mike: women liking videos of men sort of being competent at something,
  • [9:09] Keith: doing yard work or something,
  • [9:10] Mike: or just yelling or maybe
  • [9:11] Keith: looking a machine shop.
  • [9:19] Mike: Yeah. Putting together something like showing like confidence, which sort of makes like I like if you kind of squint at it, it makes sense, right? Because it's like, Oh, you know
  • [9:21] Mike: Ah, yeah. I mean, like, would like
  • [9:25] Keith: they know what they're doing and you want to read a So maybe they would know one another.
  • [9:30] Mike: Oh, I was thinking more like, you know, their drive is like somebody who's a good provider.
  • [9:35] Mike: And so it's like if you're competent of doing some activity than your that is arousing,
  • [9:37] Keith: Yeah, it could be.
  • [9:47] Keith: But I have been worried, like if Facebook or instagram got hacked and their data got released and, you know, like so for example, you know, there would be
  • [9:50] Keith: some women in my feed who
  • [9:54] Keith: you know twice a week at 10 p.m. You know, I spend
  • [9:56] Keith: and minutes
  • [10:03] Keith: on their on their page or whatever, like it just so so obvious What's going on there? Um
  • [10:06] Keith: and yeah, that would be like a fairly embarrassing thing toe have released to
  • [10:09] Mike: the world. Wait, is that I mean that. Is that a thing? You
  • [10:12] Mike: Is that a thing that happens in your life? Frequently you'll take
  • [10:16] Mike: a Facebook or instagram feed of a person and ah
  • [10:25] Mike: e kind of use it for that purpose. Like you kind of go through all their photos or something. It's a thing. Even setting aside someone, you know what? I'm just curious if that's like a thing that works for you.
  • [10:27] Keith: Yeah, I've done that in the past, for sure. Huh?
  • [10:33] Mike: And this is somebody that you know or hope to know. Or just a random person.
  • [10:34] Keith: Ah,
  • [10:40] Keith: well, Instagram can be both face Facebook definition. We cannot. You can't see people's accounts unless you're
  • [10:41] Mike: restroom.
  • [10:42] Mike: Yeah,
  • [10:52] Mike: so both and you've done You've done both directions. Current, evidently. Yeah. Okay. And it's usually, I guess, an instagram. You could have videos. I guess. Either way, you get videos, but it's probably mostly gonna be photos in that context.
  • [10:55] Keith: I mean, Facebook is basically defunct now, anyway, so
  • [10:57] Mike: that's true.
  • [11:02] Mike: Um, Well, unless you want to like you have Facebook, you'll to see pictures of the cookies they baked or something, right,
  • [11:04] Keith: E. I mean,
  • [11:10] Keith: I don't think anybody basically under the age of 40 who I would be compelled by, uses Facebook in any meaningful way.
  • [11:11] Mike: There you go.
  • [11:13] Mike: Yeah. So it's just Ah,
  • [11:16] Mike: that makes sense. Um,
  • [11:31] Mike: yeah, I think I think that from my perspective, like, I don't think that the Yeah, I mean, I I feel I feel like this is off the topic a little, but I feel like it's challenging for those kinds of things to complete compete with a porn site.
  • [11:36] Mike: So it's sort of like I'm not sure what the allure I I believe you that you do that, but it's a little bit hard to see what the allure would be.
  • [11:45] Keith: I find both sort of alluring. Um, and this actually gets into, like, maybe a more interesting topic. Like I sometimes find
  • [11:51] Keith: photographs of women where they're not naked, more compelling than ones where they are,
  • [11:55] Keith: um, depending on the pose and what they're wearing
  • [12:04] Keith: just because, yeah, I don't know, weaken like my brain, using its imagination can almost do better than the real thing.
  • [12:13] Mike: Yeah, I mean, that makes well, I think I mean to say, uh, I've actually debated this with people before, but I also think there's an element of that. Is that
  • [12:20] Mike: Ah, in many, many cases, people are more attractive with clothes on.
  • [12:30] Mike: Yeah, that's right. So, yeah, it's like I mean, I think that's why I mean, there is like, a genre of porn where, like people are close, partially clothed, and I think
  • [12:32] Keith: I don't know if those
  • [12:34] Keith: it's yeah,
  • [12:38] Keith: when I'm looking at porn. I almost always go for the full thing.
  • [12:39] Keith: But
  • [12:45] Keith: if if I'm gonna look at pictures of people in clothing like, it would be more interesting of it's a celebrity or somebody I know, I guess, but there is
  • [12:54] Mike: like I mean, that's actually I always found it. Kind of curious. There is, like, a genre of porn that's, like underwear to the side or whatever. Do you know what the deal is with that?
  • [12:56] Mike: Ah,
  • [12:59] Keith: well, I mean, like, like attraction
  • [13:03] Keith: like that. They still have their under underwear on and they're getting fucked.
  • [13:13] Mike: Yeah, but its okay. So I could see somebody saying, Oh, it's because they're like just there's so much aggression there, the taboo aspect of it. But that's not a lot of times. It's just feels like,
  • [13:17] Mike: you know, there isn't that. It feels like it's missing that. It's just like
  • [13:19] Mike: maybe there's something else.
  • [13:22] Keith: Yeah, I don't know what that is. That's
  • [13:25] Keith: that's not compelling to me.
  • [13:28] Mike: Yeah, I find it kind of annoying.
  • [13:30] Keith: Yeah, it's Yeah. I
  • [13:32] Keith: take your clothes off, I guess.
  • [13:40] Keith: Um So do you think that most people are uncomfortable knowing somebody masturbates to photos of them?
  • [13:46] Mike: I mean, is a man. I'll say that like it's not something that OK, it's occurred to me before
  • [13:48] Mike: that that Okay,
  • [14:03] Mike: there's there's the photo And But I think you could just lump that together because for a guy like the notion of someone using a photo is kind of far fetched, I think. But But like if you broaden that out just like images in their head and photos, right, just thinking about you.
  • [14:12] Mike: Yes, that's a thing that I think for most people of both genders has happened. Or many. I mean, like, unless you're like, aggressively unattractive,
  • [14:23] Mike: that's probably never unattractive. Like that's probably something that's happened, right? And like I thought about that before, and this, like you, then sort of as a guy, you sort of wonder, Buddy. But you see, it's like a positive thing. You think yourself like, I wonder
  • [14:27] Mike: a how many people have done that and be like which people?
  • [14:31] Mike: And it's almost like you'd like to know that so you'd have like, a score.
  • [14:35] Keith: Yeah, that would be super interesting to know,
  • [14:44] Keith: and I be nice if there was, like, a little bell or like a notification on my cell phone every time somebody had an orgasm thinking about me, right? And I mean, I assume you might be disappointing. See,
  • [14:52] Mike: I will be. It's gonna be a low number, but it's not gonna be zero. Um, but it's sorry it's a low number, but I think it's but I think it's not gonna be zero, which is interesting
  • [14:56] Mike: flipping at the other direction, though I think that women
  • [15:07] Mike: my take my take on it would be that women just don't ever really think about that because the problem is that the number for many women were very high and we were talking about this before the show. But like
  • [15:08] Mike: if
  • [15:11] Mike: she got like a little face pile of all the guys
  • [15:16] Mike: you were thinking about her, it would be kind of disturbing and gross. I think,
  • [15:17] Keith: Yeah,
  • [15:20] Keith: I'm not sure, like for me,
  • [15:36] Keith: I don't care what the person looks like or who they are. I mean, it's annoying toe, have somebody who I really don't like. It all be attracted to me. But setting that aside like I don't care if they masturbate to me, in fact, it's it's sort of it's flattering. It's it's ego enlarging.
  • [15:55] Mike: Yeah, but Let's say that you were a young woman in a work environment. Yes. And somehow you you This is like your you know, the gods bestowed on you this gift to know which, you know, like, get to get a list every day or something. And you just found out that basically every dude in the office, or like, half of them
  • [15:59] Mike: in the last two weeks we're doing that like that would probably
  • [16:05] Mike: I think it might be difficult to go on, like with life. I think life would become, like, kind of different. I think they I think, in other words, I think there's,
  • [16:11] Mike: like, sort of a they have toe actually shield themselves psychologically from this information.
  • [16:15] Keith: If I were a woman and I knew like it and I was
  • [16:21] Keith: certain that I had that much sexual power, I would maximally leverage that to advance my career. Yeah,
  • [16:25] Mike: but how? I mean, how do you do that without lining up in like a Harvey Weinstein situation?
  • [16:28] Keith: You just ask for a promotion?
  • [16:28] Keith: I don't think
  • [16:32] Mike: it works that way. Like, I don't think that's what you'll get. I think like
  • [16:33] Mike: we'll go ahead.
  • [16:38] Keith: I think like most men are not going to
  • [17:10] Keith: jeopardize their careers to make a pass at a woman like that. They might make a pass, but like I think Mawr most men would be like, Yeah, like if I could do something to get this girl like so that I'm working with Herm or like that's a win. And so, yeah, you could like like, let's say you're like a marketing associate. Well, then you could and and then you you somehow know that this is the CMO. The chief marketing officer of your organization is constantly masturbating, thinking about you. You could be like, Hey, like, I think I should be a senior marketing associate or I should be You know, I don't know. I just feel like,
  • [17:16] Keith: Yeah, you could use that power for Mitt Substantial game.
  • [17:58] Mike: I think that it would. I think that that's true. I think like there's some short term, but I think it like the medium to long term. It's like it's kind of poisons the situation a little in the same way that, like I think, for a guy could understand, like, let's say that you, ah, belong to some family that was well known or like had a relative was a celebrity or something. And so because of that, people wanted to be closer to you like I'm not like So you could make use of that, Sure. But I'm not sure if the Net result of that would actually be to your benefit, right? Because there the like, installs this glass ceiling over your right like the people are attracted to you. But in this way, the like where it's clearly not because, like you're competent or good at what you do, you might be. But it's not because of that that these things were happening.
  • [18:03] Mike: And then it's like your your categories. You're like Buck. It'd differently. He's saying,
  • [18:07] Keith: I guess I don't get that matter like,
  • [18:19] Keith: yeah, like everything else being equal, like you're just as competent as anyone else who is in that position. So, yeah, you want to get as high as you can get as quickly as you can get in all possible circumstances, and then once you're at that point, you can readjust your trajectory, like
  • [18:30] Mike: at a minimum, you could say, I mean, this would be not something somebody think to themselves, but that a minimum it might prevent you from actually being good at things. Because it's like things come so easily that you have no incentive to, like
  • [18:30] Mike: work at things, right?
  • [18:39] Keith: Yeah, That's sort of a second level effect there, though, like, But I think on the fleet we're talking about, like, I know what you think about marketing, so no, but
  • [18:51] Mike: it could be in anything. He could be in anything, right? May like you. Like you could Yeah. Almost any feel like that issue of like, Well, if I'm able to get promoted or advanced just because of this, like, attraction people out for me like it. But setting that aside,
  • [19:02] Keith: maybe. But I mean that there are so many fields where, um, competency is, like, almost anti correlated with with compensation and and power and prestige. Surely,
  • [19:07] Keith: Yeah, you're right. Like if you're a ah, you know, particle physicists. And you get
  • [19:13] Keith: promoted to be dean of the physics department at an Ivy League university, cause the way you look like you might run into some problems, but
  • [19:20] Keith: yeah, you know, if you're like a whatever like you getting getting two levels up isn't really gonna make that much of a difference.
  • [19:39] Mike: Yeah, and that's particularly true when you think about just like people were just managers. Right? And in business like, What is it? Manager? The manager doesn't even necessarily need to know what the people they're managing do right there. Just a manager. And so you're right the like, being let's say that, you know, it goes manager, director VP Like switching from manager to VP like it doesn't actually change when you're
  • [19:41] Keith: not doing anything, either. In other case,
  • [19:43] Mike: right, you're just getting paid a lot more. Okay,
  • [19:52] Mike: hang on. There's something or someone here. All right, go ahead. There's something else I wanted to say setting aside from corporate America, Um, I think there is a difference
  • [19:56] Mike: that women experience in terms of like the
  • [19:58] Mike: like, the
  • [20:09] Mike: the sort of prime illness of what's happening in that situation. Like the fact that, like I just think that it's not like the aggression, the aggression shown by people, sort of like
  • [20:22] Mike: thinking about you in that way. And I just think that that's like I think it would be tough to overcome that. I think it would require a special kind of person to know that's going on in a really sort of detail and then just like like, I don't care. I'm just gonna take advantage of it.
  • [20:25] Keith: Yeah,
  • [20:34] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I think you're right on that. I just think that Yeah, because they have to, like, constantly tolerate, Like, all this lame nous is part of the female experience.
  • [20:45] Keith: Like having an indicator every time. Yep. Basically having ah, power meter every time, you know you know, you have sexual power would be sort of useful.
  • [20:47] Mike: Yeah, I just need to be really hard to overcome
  • [20:50] Keith: and like you out, right? Yeah.
  • [20:59] Mike: There's just a lot of semen flying around. Yeah. Yes, right. And I mean, like, imagine, like, I mean, even even was actually first thought of an example Would be like a girl in high school
  • [21:04] Mike: having that meter. It would just be saying I know her teachers.
  • [21:12] Mike: Yeah, Yeah, I was thinking the other students, but actually really Good point. Like the teachers to just be like, Come on. Right. I've wondered that. I mean, I don't Yeah. I wonder that about
  • [21:15] Mike: male high school teachers. That must be a
  • [21:16] Mike: its own world there.
  • [21:18] Keith: Yeah.
  • [21:21] Keith: Yeah. What's lets off? Let's not go there. Well,
  • [21:27] Mike: I just think I mean, forget setting aside them, be them having misbehaving. I'm just saying, like, psychologically, that must be challenging to have
  • [21:37] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. All right, let's move on. So we thought this topic for, like, a couple episodes here that I haven't gotten to it, but, um,
  • [21:41] Keith: so there's sort of two parts to it, So the first it So it's about condoms.
  • [22:01] Keith: And this is written by a man and he says Condoms are underappreciated. Me and the wife used to have unprotected sex only birth control on her. However, recently she started to use medicine that interferes with the efficiency of her birth control. She started demonstrate again. So for the foreseeable future, we decided to use condoms along with birth control.
  • [22:09] Keith: I went to look a bit for the right condom, but once we found it was so good. Sincerely, it doesn't even feel like I'm wearing anything at all.
  • [22:17] Keith: Plus, the cleanup is so much easier just trying out and you're good to go. It has gotten to the point that I'm suggesting her to drop the birth control and we only go with a condom.
  • [22:21] Keith: She wants to mid straight again is we're planning to have our foot with blah, blah. OK,
  • [22:22] Mike: I
  • [22:24] Mike: I never thought of this. Do you tie a knot? No, I
  • [22:29] Keith: don't. I just toss it. I mean, I have, like, a bag and my garbage can. So
  • [22:34] Keith: yeah, like, I never when I throw away, like food, waste in others drippings and stuff. So,
  • [22:36] Mike: yeah, I never once in my life thought of
  • [22:39] Mike: tying and non. That's really interesting. That anyway,
  • [22:52] Keith: yeah, I know. It's weird. That exact thought went through my mind when I read that, uh right. This guy says I was kind of dreading it before. I had problems with condoms with previous partners. Condom too thick and too tight. Very uncomfortable. Yeah, right, buddy.
  • [23:18] Keith: But but with the right one, it is very, very good. Um, and then Okay, so that's like part one of this, which I think is sort of interesting. And then part two, which is something I never heard of before. But since I read this, I've seen it in a couple of places. One tip that I saw here on Reddit a couple years ago is to drop a couple drops of lubricant inside the condom, it improves the sensation quite a bit. And if you were on the larger side, larger size, a larger condom is imperative.
  • [23:21] Keith: Don't be dismissed by a small differences in size here.
  • [23:25] Keith: Uh, having the right size does make a huge difference.
  • [23:32] Keith: It's like your bubble. Okay, forget getting the right size condom. What does putting lubricant inside the condom Dio
  • [23:37] Mike: Well, I mean, the obvious thing is, it'll make you will make your cock slip around in there. But I mean, like, that doesn't
  • [23:44] Keith: see inside. Yeah, that seems bad. Like, you know, the condom coming off is very bad.
  • [23:47] Mike: Most people aren't looking for that sensation anyway, of like
  • [23:59] Mike: having it slip around inside there. That's not like, yeah, you're trying to, like, make it sort of feel like it's not there, which, by the way, like the guys full of shit like that. I mean, one of the things I think is when he's saying, Oh, it
  • [24:12] Mike: I don't even notice it's there. I'm thinking to myself, OK, well, so if there if it rips, you're not gonna notice either, right? Right. Yeah. There's a bunch of issues which is totally in my experience false, but okay. Like like it's very different.
  • [24:12] Mike: I
  • [24:13] Keith: just
  • [24:20] Keith: I mean, you're getting that sliding back and forth feeling, I guess on the outside of the sheath, I guess
  • [24:23] Keith: having that feeling on the inside of the sheaf might be slightly
  • [24:28] Keith: better. Or at least he would feel different. I don't know if it would feel better or not,
  • [24:36] Keith: but I've yet the risk just makes it seem like completely insane. And I'm surprised. It's sort of becoming a little bit of a mean Underwrite it.
  • [24:37] Mike: It's becoming a mean. Oh, you're
  • [24:40] Keith: like, Yeah, I've seen it in a few different places.
  • [24:44] Mike: Yeah, I know. It's hard to understand what the
  • [24:48] Mike: I mean, except for yeah. I mean, that just doesn't make any sense.
  • [24:49] Keith: Yeah.
  • [24:56] Keith: Um, and then, yeah, there's this guy makes, like, a couple of points, like obviously, condoms are probably is here to clean up.
  • [24:59] Keith: There's less semen everywhere.
  • [25:03] Keith: Sort of self contained.
  • [25:04] Mike: Yeah, it sort of changes. Who has to deal with
  • [25:06] Keith: it?
  • [25:10] Keith: Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I mean,
  • [25:15] Keith: what did people who do like the withdrawal method do? Like where?
  • [25:19] Keith: Like Okay, So there's various places you could put it right.
  • [25:26] Keith: You could put it on, you know, on their face of in and around their boobs on their stomach. Or you can, like, put it
  • [25:28] Keith: like it's like, the polite thing to
  • [25:30] Mike: do.
  • [25:33] Mike: Ah,
  • [25:34] Mike: that's a good question.
  • [25:46] Keith: Urine. You have, like, a somewhat long term partner here. For whatever reason, you guys aren't using birth control, but, you know, you want to withdraw every time. Like what? And,
  • [25:47] Keith: you know,
  • [25:56] Keith: you know, if you're having sex regularly enough, you know, probably doesn't want you coming on her face every time, you know. So, like, yeah, like, what's the What's the
  • [25:58] Keith: What's the like, gentleman's guide here?
  • [26:04] Mike: Um, well, I mean, the the most polite thing obviously would be on yourself
  • [26:05] Mike: How?
  • [26:08] Mike: Well, you just have to be, like, lying down on your back or sitting
  • [26:12] Keith: okay. Okay. Short on top of you. It's easy to do it on yourself.
  • [26:19] Mike: Yeah, Or like a hand job. But I don't mean Okay, So this is the situation where you either don't have a condom or
  • [26:23] Mike: you're OK. You find fine here, and you're pulling out
  • [26:26] Mike: and and you don't want to finish with Orel,
  • [26:31] Mike: right? Which would that would be my first past guesses that. That's typically how that works
  • [26:50] Mike: for a couple reasons. Sort of obvious reasons, including mess. Clean up. Um, I guess I guess. Like the thing you see in porn a lot is on her stomach. Or but right, Right. But, like, none of those are particularly nice. I guess you could do what you do when masturbating. And like, put a runway of paper towel on her stomach.
  • [26:53] Mike: Yeah. Advance, maybe tape it down.
  • [26:54] Keith: Yeah.
  • [26:56] Keith: Good. Yeah.
  • [26:59] Mike: Imagine, Like a little there,
  • [27:00] Keith: a bib or something.
  • [27:06] Mike: You could just imagine a product that's like paper towels with sticky on the back
  • [27:10] Mike: that you sort of peel them off and then stick them on the woman.
  • [27:11] Mike: Yeah.
  • [27:13] Keith: Yeah, that might be a little bit tough to explain.
  • [27:16] Mike: So you've never been in this situation ever
  • [27:20] Mike: because you want situation? Uh, you've decided
  • [27:24] Keith: we're deciding where to put my semen. Exactly. I've been in that situation.
  • [27:28] Mike: So what's your typical go to?
  • [27:30] Keith: Um,
  • [27:36] Keith: it depends, I suppose I know the person. You sort of, you know, end up in, like, a sort of routine.
  • [27:40] Keith: Uh, if it's like a new sexual partner.
  • [27:41] Keith: Ah,
  • [27:43] Keith: I guess. Yeah,
  • [27:50] Mike: yeah, yeah. Let's say you were doing it for the first time, so you needed to be maximally polite. But what would your strategy be?
  • [27:58] Keith: Um, I think I would try to set up the situation where she's on top. So is I think that's what I would probably try to dio.
  • [28:03] Keith: That's definitely what you do going forward now that But I think I've been doing that sort of subconsciously,
  • [28:04] Keith: um,
  • [28:17] Mike: and this but isn't Isn't there more risk? I guess. I guess you have, Like, I think the fear people would have in that situation is they wouldn't have enough self control and then she would sort of like they wouldn't be out to get her weight off of them in time or whatever. Yeah, And so and actually,
  • [28:27] Keith: I mean, this really only comes up in early dating situations when the person is on birth control and you know, they're on birth control. Um, but this for being anyway,
  • [28:30] Mike: if you know they are. But you don't want to nut in them because
  • [28:32] Keith: ah,
  • [28:40] Keith: I don't know that. Do you know what fluid bonded means? Yeah. A lot of people try to avoid being fluid bonded.
  • [28:43] Mike: There's fluid that comes up. I know Hardy's before that.
  • [28:53] Keith: I know, I know. I don't know. I don't know if I think it's reasonable or not, but okay. I think there's, like, a certain intimacy to finishing inside of someone that summer both people might prefer to avoid.
  • [28:55] Mike: That's interesting.
  • [28:59] Mike: Okay, so you Yes, you. Ah,
  • [29:03] Mike: but yeah. Then the other question I would have is like, Do you really?
  • [29:04] Mike: Yeah. I mean,
  • [29:10] Mike: like, do you really get to the point where, like, you don't have to do some other, like, basically beat off,
  • [29:18] Mike: you know, in order to finish like, in other words, like, can you really have her on top of you? And then, like, at the last minute, just like you're ripping a glove off, you just lift her up and then not all over something.
  • [29:22] Keith: There's a timing aspect there for sure. Yeah. Um,
  • [29:23] Mike: that doesn't sound very fun. I mean,
  • [29:25] Keith: no, it's not.
  • [29:29] Keith: Yeah, You end up having, like, half an orgasm, which is not fun.
  • [29:31] Mike: It's interesting,
  • [29:41] Mike: but Okay, So you so like so what would you say? The amount of time is between when you remove her from your cock and you when you first have not come out.
  • [29:43] Keith: I mean, it would be measured in the
  • [29:46] Keith: low single digit imagers and seconds,
  • [29:49] Mike: Not milliseconds that we're talking about. A couple of seconds.
  • [29:53] Keith: No. Yeah. So this is like, this is and then also, there's a style of porn
  • [29:55] Mike: around this
  • [29:58] Mike: around. What? This call is called ruined orgasm.
  • [30:00] Mike: Really?
  • [30:11] Mike: It's a style of porn. I don't know the problem shot. Of course there is. There must be. But it's like this thing we're like, basically, they'll be like it's it's supposed to be some sort of like fem dom thing. We're like,
  • [30:18] Mike: the woman will be, like, really attractive. And she'll get the guy all right to the point, and then she'll stop touching him.
  • [30:20] Mike: And so then you just But that's what you're talking about, right?
  • [30:30] Keith: Well, some people would call that edging, But this isn't organ. This is like poorly executed edging right? You're trying to edge, but the person actually accidentally comes. So
  • [30:39] Mike: when you say it's half an orgasm, what you mean is that Is that like you? Basically, it's ruined, like do you use your hand afterward or do you just do you just sort of flop around there?
  • [30:48] Keith: No, I mean I mean, especially if it's like with an early sexual partner like, Yeah, I don't know. I'm not comfortable, like jerking myself off, like in front of them.
  • [30:54] Mike: That's interesting. Really, really. So, like your first couple encounter is, you avoid touching your Penis with your hand,
  • [30:59] Keith: I think generally yes, huh?
  • [31:05] Mike: It's quite interesting because you because you don't want to signal to them that you beat off even though everybody
  • [31:08] Keith: I know. Yeah, I don't know why not. It's like a
  • [31:18] Keith: It's like it's like admission of depravity or something. I don't know that a Z we're talking about this like it occurs to me that that's ridiculous.
  • [31:23] Keith: But like, ah, lot of my like psychological issues here are around like
  • [31:30] Keith: yeah, like not really believing that they really are there for, you know, my pleasure or whatever, and so I think it's
  • [31:35] Mike: sort of related to that. But if you don't believe that, shouldn't you want to beat off?
  • [31:41] Keith: I'm like, No, I want them to feel like
  • [31:43] Keith: yeah, yeah, no, I want to
  • [31:45] Mike: feel like they're the most important thing in this,
  • [31:46] Keith: right? That's right. That's right.
  • [32:01] Mike: And so if like it, if it if it becomes apparent to them that what's really going on is you're just beating off while looking at them. That's not great, right? Yeah, which is which is in ladies. That's what's really going on. That's a lot of it. That's a big part of it. It is a big part of it. Like
  • [32:03] Keith: you're you're not wrong. Yeah, I think I think
  • [32:09] Mike: most women sort of know that deep down, they don't care. That much is the thing.
  • [32:11] Mike: Yeah.
  • [32:12] Mike: Yeah.
  • [32:31] Mike: Anyway, what was the topic here was the It was Oh, yeah, it was what you were asking. What happens when you what? Where is, like, the polite place to put it? I think that most people just not on the woman's stomach or but depending on what position there and the woman on top Young yourself like that. There's basically three place for me. I think the most natural thing is Orel.
  • [32:34] Keith: Sure, sure. Yeah, I know. I think that's
  • [32:37] Keith: yeah. If you're trying to, like, minimize mess like that's obviously
  • [32:40] Mike: well and end to not have, like, the old ruined orgasm.
  • [32:47] Keith: Yeah, I think if you're on top of them like a missionary or something, you can sort of pull out and then,
  • [32:51] Keith: you know, pin your Penis between
  • [33:07] Keith: you know your body and, like, you know, the top of the top of her pubic bone or whatever and get some friction that way. That sounds like the worst possible. It's not great. It's not great, but it's better. It's better than like, if they're on top, and then you pull out, like, a moment too soon, and then you're, like, sort of, you know, a quarter of the way there.
  • [33:13] Mike: Yeah, but if you're the thing you just described, like both people now are just covered in semen.
  • [33:21] Keith: Oh, yes, yeah. No. Yeah. That probably maximizes mess. Yeah, that's like this. You know, there is still a trip down to the side and yeah,
  • [33:30] Mike: that's like there's ah, videos. And I was with a woman once who did this? She liked to sort of rub it all over herself. And I found that first of all, as we've discussed many times, like I
  • [33:35] Mike: and I was chided yesterday, day before yesterday by a listener who two said to me that like, I
  • [33:51] Mike: like, I have all these problems with intimacy, like fine, maybe I do. I don't I don't think I do, but okay. I just think that, like, I have this thing we're, like, right after nothing like I don't wanna I want to go to sleep and I want to be left alone. I think that's somewhat normal, but ah, this woman would rub it all over herself in that
  • [33:52] Mike: was
  • [33:54] Mike: not good.
  • [33:59] Mike: I founded revolting. I was like, Please, eyes like, can you Can you just go to the bathroom to do that? Like
  • [34:03] Keith: you like they hit There is nothing sacred about this fluid.
  • [34:04] Keith: If I just think
  • [34:11] Mike: the like, it's yes. She just was still aroused and not disgusted by things that I was Max. And I'm just like, yeah, you just imagine it all over her, then.
  • [34:20] Keith: Okay, Okay. That actually sort of the cycle is nice lead to like this other threat. Okay, so this guy says my wife had
  • [34:28] Keith: through it. Yeah, okay. My wife had me eat my own come offer pussy, and I oddly enjoyed it.
  • [34:38] Keith: Uh, sorry. Let me just Okay, So I'll be the first to admit that the thought of eating my home come off of my disguise. Grammars. I'm going to try to like parts of
  • [34:50] Keith: that. The thought of eating my own come off of my wife's pussy had never crossed my mind. A couple of nights ago, she had me jerk off on her pussy and then told me to go down on her and make her come and I enjoyed it. I got hard again during it.
  • [34:56] Keith: Maybe more of a confession than anything else, but to others. Enjoy doing this too.
  • [34:57] Keith: Um,
  • [34:59] Keith: that sounds
  • [35:01] Keith: awful like,
  • [35:03] Keith: yeah, like you're like,
  • [35:18] Keith: I mean, this guy's experiences. Okay, so he jerks off on her, he's in the, you know, the period of post, not clarity. And then she wants him to go down on her while her while her vagina is covered in his own semen. Right?
  • [35:20] Keith: Right. Yeah,
  • [35:22] Keith: yeah. No, thanks. I mean, I think
  • [35:35] Mike: like things involving things I mean, it's like the woman rubbing ourselves. You said things involving your own nut in my mind like her, the other deeply in this sort of like Schrodinger's Cox situation, where it's like
  • [35:39] Mike: it's like there's something that's simultaneously a hot and not hot.
  • [35:49] Mike: It just depends on your state of mind. And unfortunately, like you have the Kochs switches right as you nuts. So it's which is so, for example, given example the thing that I think you would find hot
  • [35:56] Mike: But you wouldn't as soon as you noted. If you're like me, I setting aside cuddling. That's not important here. Um, but
  • [36:03] Mike: I think you would find hot notionally the idea of you Nutting on a woman's posi and another woman licking it off.
  • [36:05] Mike: Oh, yeah, yeah.
  • [36:06] Mike: So that's mean, right?
  • [36:12] Keith: It really care right after I've noted. But like, if I was still aroused at all, like
  • [36:13] Keith: right, yeah,
  • [36:16] Keith: so that's still aroused it all like that would be, that would be That would be pretty rad.
  • [36:32] Mike: Yeah, and so that's right. But the problem is like Like I said, it's like Schrodinger's cock like you right now, thinking about it. You're like, Oh, that's like, Yeah, you're like that. That's pretty sexy, But But if you did, if you tried to do it, it would be terrible. So it's like and actually I've seen these things in porn, and it's it's kind of
  • [36:32] Keith: this is
  • [36:44] Mike: actually nice use of porn because you can overcome that duality of cod. Bye bye. Seeing someone else not pretending you're that person, but you're still aroused after they not like I'm still into this. Um,
  • [36:45] Mike: okay, so
  • [36:46] Keith: then it makes sense
  • [36:50] Mike: to me that, like, if you could like,
  • [36:54] Mike: one could imagine finding it hot if
  • [36:56] Mike: I could imagine it. If you're the one licking it,
  • [36:59] Mike: that that would be hot Now the problem being, of course,
  • [37:05] Mike: that as soon as you have to actually do it, it would be grows. And actually okay, there are porn's you confined where this happens.
  • [37:16] Mike: And, ah, it's not hot for me when I watched that important if I see women doing, But if it's a man like you, nuts, that gets out and you know, takes us
  • [37:23] Mike: couple paces back order with his Neil's back or whatever. Yeah, yeah, and it's It's just the mail.
  • [37:28] Mike: Semen in the mail phase. I think maybe for gay folks, that's compelling. Like I
  • [37:35] Mike: as soon as you have that stubble and maybe a mustache and semen like I can't I'm just not gay. So I just not not my thing, you know?
  • [37:43] Keith: Yeah. Why do you think this guy's wife wanted him to do things in this order?
  • [37:44] Keith: The
  • [37:51] Keith: I mean, maybe she's just like you no power dominant. And she She likes the idea of demeaning her man in this way.
  • [38:00] Mike: Maybe I was thinking I I was thinking maybe she just Maybe he just doesn't give her Orel very much. And she's like, Maybe if I come up with this ruse than then he'll do it
  • [38:04] Keith: the rules of like, let me make this worst trap. You know
  • [38:07] Mike: what you think she would instead, like, uh
  • [38:14] Mike: yep, hide money in her vagina or something? I don't know. E jolly rancher that don't know
  • [38:15] Mike: too soon to say
  • [38:18] Keith: sorry. That ever is too saying,
  • [38:20] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [38:22] Keith: Yes. So,
  • [38:31] Keith: yeah, I mean I mean, it could be some sort of dominant thing. It could be that she's just like trying to rearrange the deck chairs in such a way that will try something new, I guess. But
  • [38:40] Keith: And then OK, right, OK, But then the final thing here that I don't understand is that he's, like, so excited about he's like, I oddly enjoyed it. I got hard again during it.
  • [38:42] Keith: I mean, what?
  • [38:48] Mike: Yeah, I don't that I can't Well, I mean, but like Aiken, by the notion that the men who have a weaker
  • [39:05] Mike: reaction to Nutting than I do. Okay, fine. But like that seems like a bridge too far. It's really hard to imagine, by the way, there is another genre of porn that's relevant to this a little bit. Where women continue to, like masturbate guys after they not fruit. It's called
  • [39:08] Mike: like cock. It's not cock torture.
  • [39:22] Mike: But if something like that where it's like you, you know it's too sensitive afterward and they just keep doing stuff to it and, uh, that I never find computer. It's just you watching your like like the woman will be sort of laughing or something. And I'm just like, what? This is just
  • [39:25] Mike: This is just be like watching a video of somebody being tickled or something like It
  • [39:29] Keith: sucks. It's a torture porn or something like that. It's not even
  • [39:31] Mike: tortures, kind of dumb.
  • [39:33] Mike: It's like it was not enjoying it. It's like it
  • [39:33] Keith: because it's not
  • [39:36] Mike: torture. I mean, torture would be painful. This is just
  • [39:54] Mike: This is uncomfortable. It's still annoying and uncomfortable and and sort of pointless. Yeah, you're in. What the guys having to do is basically like, pretend like that. The guy wants to is just throw her off and go to bed. But he's having to like he's getting paid to make the movies. He's like, OK, I'll sit here and tolerate this because I'm getting, like 100 bucks 10 bucks when you guys get
  • [39:56] Keith: Who is that compelling for toe watch? Well, that's
  • [40:00] Mike: the thing is I? Yeah, I was thinking it could be for women, although,
  • [40:01] Mike: uh, like I'm on,
  • [40:05] Mike: I follow a little bit of subreddit called chick flicks
  • [40:10] Mike: Quicks. It's See a chick flicks with three Xs July XXX You can check it out
  • [40:13] Keith: Porn. For women it is. And sometimes
  • [40:16] Mike: there's good stuff in there. Um uh,
  • [40:22] Mike: of course, it just constantly has dudes on there being like, Hey, chicks, uh, what you think about my cock.
  • [40:26] Mike: It's like they really problem with this, like, because Because But
  • [40:36] Mike: eso and the main stuff that gets posted there is just, like is just what I would say. Like there's sometimes some good quality, like amateur stuff, nothing like this, nothing like this. So I don't I don't. But
  • [40:36] Keith: But, you know,
  • [40:39] Mike: there are a lot of different kinds of people out there, So who knows?
  • [40:42] Keith: Yeah, I mean, everybody has the road, their own fetish.
  • [40:44] Keith: So maybe, you know, I mean, but like, the other
  • [40:46] Mike: thing I would say about this woman with the guys, like, Look,
  • [40:58] Mike: you can get it, like anybody could get a notion in their head of like, Hey, I want to try this. Okay? So maybe his wife, just a girlfriend or whatever was just tried it once and was like, oh, and And that the downside of that is she did potentially open parent Pandora's box,
  • [41:04] Mike: right? If the guys like now, I gotta she's like, great every time we have sex. Now I have to do this.
  • [41:10] Mike: He's gonna be the guy with that where they're using a condom for the reason. And he's in the bathroom pouring the condom contents in his mouth.
  • [41:17] Keith: That is I don't e look, as you know, I have never tasted my own semen,
  • [41:20] Keith: like even even trace amounts. Or so I don't even
  • [41:23] Mike: I don't know that I don't believe you, but going.
  • [41:28] Keith: But you Do you believe that? I believe that. No, you don't. Um
  • [41:28] Keith: I think it's
  • [41:34] Mike: like a posture that you're taking, but I think that, like, I think you know that there have been situations where you must have kind of contact with it.
  • [41:39] Keith: I do know that. But I saw I also know that I didn't recognize it when it occurred.
  • [41:42] Mike: Maybe yours is so benign that you didn't notice. Like minds. Not
  • [41:46] Keith: it tastes like fresh mountain spring water. Maybe
  • [41:49] Keith: it's totally a different it French trouble from You did
  • [41:54] Mike: once tell me anything. You didn't want to tell me that all your far fights are odorless.
  • [41:57] Keith: Hey, are you OK?
  • [41:58] Keith: I mean,
  • [42:06] Keith: look, I e you know, we've said around each other for thousands of hours. Probably.
  • [42:10] Keith: Do you ever remember me having like a Particularly?
  • [42:15] Mike: No. But I don't remember anybody having that. I don't have like, a catalogue. Yeah,
  • [42:16] Keith: OK,
  • [42:19] Keith: OK, but at least you remember like like a horrible experience we have
  • [42:36] Mike: discussed. I think we have probably on the podcast, even discussed the notes, this notion that, like men, have enough seamen around them most of the time that, like, it's almost certainly when people shake hands. Maybe, you know, if you're shaking hands with people, stuff you transfer a little of And so any guys that sort of know each other have probably had each other's semen in their mouth.
  • [42:46] Keith: That's right. That's right. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Some particles. Yes. So if you're welcome, Um OK, uh, let's see here. Uh,
  • [42:49] Keith: okay. This person says,
  • [43:00] Keith: Do men slash sex partners feel that Feel that warm rush of heat that happens to women when aroused. I'm leaning towards Yes. They feel that the vagina is generally warm when a woman is in the mood.
  • [43:11] Keith: But, I mean, that wave when you hit the right spot, maybe she gets wetter at the same time. It's kind of like a burst of heat and lubrication. Do men or other partners digitally feel that flash of warmth?
  • [43:13] Keith: Uh, I think
  • [43:14] Keith: Well,
  • [43:20] Mike: I was curious your take on the other that this is a woman speaking, and I'm curious if I have an answer to this, but I'm curious what your answer is. First, I
  • [43:24] Keith: don't. She's asking if I get, like, a rush of heat
  • [43:34] Keith: or you tell, or if I have noticed, when women have that rush of heat, it's the second one. Okay? Yeah, I have definitely noticed that. It's kind of cool.
  • [43:36] Mike: So what do you What do you What do you notice?
  • [43:39] Keith: Um
  • [43:59] Keith: I don't actually quite understand the mechanism, but like something will happen. We're like there's like a material increase in the amount of lubrication, but extremely noticeable. And then yeah, like, Yeah, I don't know if it's like a flash of heat, but there's like an increase in warmth as well. Um, and
  • [44:00] Keith: yeah,
  • [44:08] Keith: it's almost I mean, it probably is exactly this, but yeah, I mean, it's like is basically binary. There's like there's, like, a step function.
  • [44:25] Mike: Yeah, so I agree. Totally. I think it's an increase in ah, lubrication like maybe it gets released like there's substantial amount gets released. Or maybe maybe you go a little deeper. I never notice it with my fingers so much, but, like with my Penis, for sure. And But the thing that I would say is that I find it a little bit annoying.
  • [44:25] Mike: Yes,
  • [44:28] Keith: why?
  • [44:31] Keith: This is just gonna valuable. I know. So
  • [44:32] Keith: why why
  • [44:36] Keith: you don't you would prefer more friction. No,
  • [44:39] Mike: it's not that it's not that it's it's that, like,
  • [44:50] Mike: it has something to do with intimacy like this. I'm just being honest. I'm just being honest on validating our listeners complain. I'm just gonna get more friction of more static now about this, but it's something about like I don't
  • [45:02] Mike: you know it, Z. Usually you can you can tell it's because something happened that, like, turned her on more right, And I don't I don't know. I like that.
  • [45:08] Keith: Um, yeah, I mean, there's really no you're just hanging yourself here. I think. I think
  • [45:11] Mike: it's like it's like I really desperately want sex to be, like, adversarial.
  • [45:12] Keith: Maybe I should
  • [45:15] Mike: go to a dominatrix.
  • [45:19] Mike: I'm not sure what it is, but yeah, it's like it's like I'm like, Oh,
  • [45:20] Mike: oh, yeah,
  • [45:23] Keith: she said. Joined this, too. Yeah, I
  • [45:23] Keith: know, but it's always some
  • [45:27] Mike: specific thing that happened. I'll tell you, that's usually a thing
  • [45:39] Mike: that's annoying. It's like something. It's something that happened. It's like kind of nice, as opposed to dirty. I want to be something dirty and it's not. It's going to something nice, guys, dammit, Yeah,
  • [45:50] Mike: yeah, just like it's like I I wish Yeah, it's like maybe being gay would be better. It would be nicer if women had more male mentality toward a They dio right? So I'm sure I'm sure
  • [45:54] Mike: they will hear from listeners. Women whiskers were like, I've got a mailman tally.
  • [45:59] Keith: Yeah. Yeah, well, everyone thinks they dio but then yeah, No.
  • [46:00] Mike: Well, there are people that
  • [46:01] Keith: maybe they dio
  • [46:03] Mike: like. I mean, you know that XYZ
  • [46:09] Keith: something. Some do? Of course, yes. Probably a disproportionate number of the women who listen to our show
  • [46:11] Keith: for sure.
  • [46:13] Keith: Do you Do you have anything else you want to say? That start like,
  • [46:30] Mike: No, I just wanted That was one of things that maybe think was that I knew my take on it would be like, Not Yeah, the normal take. I'm sure is yes. Guys noticed that. And most guys are like, Oh, that's so great. She's into it. And the 00.1% that are like me or like God damn it just be like a machine,
  • [46:31] Keith: right?
  • [46:34] Keith: Yeah. I mean, you've also I mean, this is
  • [46:43] Keith: not I mean, this is this is tangential, but you've also mentioned in the past that like, yeah, like too much lubrication is actually maybe not the greatest,
  • [46:47] Keith: because it decreases for sure. The sensation.
  • [46:57] Mike: Yeah, but that's not know. That's unfortunate. That would be a good reason not to tip to be concerned. Then you could just use a towel or Ah, what? You would use a sleeping bag I've seen for old time's sake. You'd use a sleeping bag.
  • [47:05] Keith: What is it like? Like in boxing in between throwing the towel in between rounds where the like, towel there, sweat off.
  • [47:09] Mike: And then when they throw the towel, when they're when they give in to give up, right?
  • [47:10] Keith: Yeah.
  • [47:12] Keith: Um
  • [47:39] Keith: okay, Uh, this person says, What's up with deep throat ing? How common is it? Toe like it? Is it mostly a porn thing? I myself male 22 like to receive blowjobs, but do not really see any extra peel and inserting Maurer of the Penis as long as the glands is completely inserted in the mouth. What? What is glands? Glances. The is the head. Good, good. Yeah, OK running. I guess I could understand if it's some kind of dominance play. Maybe
  • [47:43] Keith: if you like it. What is the appeal in Deep Throat and considering either giving or receiving?
  • [47:45] Keith: Ah,
  • [47:50] Keith: well, first off, I mean, it is true that, like the head of the Penis is more sensitive than the shaft.
  • [47:56] Mike: Yeah, but the head is also the first thing that goes past the, like, sort of point in the throat to go on.
  • [47:57] Keith: Oh,
  • [48:01] Keith: okay, E, I think you're gonna go somewhere here that I wasn't, but okay. I
  • [48:08] Mike: mean, when you say that it's the most sensitive, it's like so anything. So the further you go, that's the first thing that's going to experience the new sensation, right?
  • [48:10] Keith: The new sensation, Right, Right, right.
  • [48:13] Keith: Yeah. Um,
  • [48:18] Keith: but yeah. I mean, like having more coverage of the entire Penis is better than less
  • [48:21] Keith: like it's not like, I mean, there's some,
  • [48:24] Keith: you know, diminishing returns. The
  • [48:35] Keith: the more that the more that's covered. But, I mean, it's not you not getting negative returns, So it's Yeah, I don't I don't understand how this person that maybe he's just being obtuse intentionally.
  • [48:41] Mike: We'll wait, but your take on it is yes, it's good, but right. Your your take is you like
  • [48:42] Mike: deep throat.
  • [48:46] Mike: Yeah, but you're disagreeing with his reason. He's saying he doesn't care. OK, so you're
  • [48:53] Keith: saying you just I don't know. He's not saying he doesn't care. Well, he says he doesn't see any extra appeal and inserting more of the Penis.
  • [48:56] Mike: Yeah, that's false. Like the thing is that like it's the
  • [49:06] Mike: it's It's the tightest thing, the tightest orifice that you can get your Penis into. Yeah, because if you go into a but or a vagina
  • [49:17] Mike: when you get kind of deeper in there, it's not that tight like it's it's usually like the entrance, right? It is the entrance. Not usually it is well here. You have, like, something that's like an entrance, but it's like a few inches in
  • [49:20] Keith: there for the lengthier end. Yeah,
  • [49:27] Mike: yeah. And so then you kind of inserted. I mean, don't go too far that you're not really inserting it through, but it's not like a keyhole or something, but like it gets tighter
  • [49:33] Mike: and ah, that is an unusual sensation. I mean, the reality is that, like, women
  • [49:45] Mike: like, except for like, a few particular porn stars and even them you wonder because they might have, like, stretched it out to like, I'm not sure that works, But like, yeah, I mean, like, it feels different when you get that deep. I Would you agree with that, or
  • [49:51] Keith: Yeah, it does. I don't
  • [49:57] Keith: Yeah, I I feel like even if it didn't mean it does I guess I mean,
  • [49:59] Keith: strange like the you may
  • [50:02] Mike: not feeling. Are you Not long enough to sort of get all the way in
  • [50:03] Keith: there.
  • [50:07] Keith: It depends if it's a child or not. Stop. Okay, Just getting so,
  • [50:10] Keith: um,
  • [50:13] Keith: no, I am, um it's It's
  • [50:18] Keith: I don't feel like we talked about this before. Like,
  • [50:25] Keith: the Penis is obviously has, like, a bunch of nerve endings on it, but
  • [50:33] Keith: I don't know. It's hard to identify, like major differences in feelings along like different parts of it, I guess, Or at least I don't really think about it in that way.
  • [50:43] Keith: But it seems like you do like, could you describe, like, sort of beginning middle and end like, have different parts of the mouth feel?
  • [50:46] Mike: Yes, I could. You want me to? I mean, it's just like
  • [50:50] Mike: obviously the beginning, like, has more control. The middle is just sort of like
  • [50:52] Keith: Wait, begin. We're starting from like
  • [50:53] Mike: the lips.
  • [51:07] Mike: Okay, Yeah, So it's like, you know, so there's more like kind of complex stuff that can happen there with a tongue and stuff. You get in a certain distance and like there's it's not that different a vagina. But then you have to go all the way in like it narrows down. And, like, actually requires, like, some force to insert it there,
  • [51:12] Keith: right? Yeah. Yeah, there's some resistance. Yes, yes.
  • [51:17] Mike: And it's cause it's like turning a corner and its narrow, I think. Yeah, I'm not Anatomy ist.
  • [51:20] Keith: Yeah. I mean, there's something,
  • [51:22] Keith: like a bit,
  • [51:27] Keith: Yeah, I mean, I mean, this is mentioned in the threat here, but yeah, there's something a bit dominant about that, too.
  • [51:30] Keith: That I think sort of amplifies things.
  • [51:35] Mike: Yeah. I mean, I I could see it being hot for the woman to if you can do it because you're like,
  • [51:37] Mike: you're concealing him completely.
  • [51:53] Keith: Whatever I think it's it's like it's on this line that is easy to dance to either side of where it's either like, terrifying or sort of hot, depending on how you you know what? Their state of arousal it is, how they feel whether they feel safe with the man. That kind of stuff.
  • [51:54] Mike: Yeah. I mean,
  • [51:57] Keith: people prefer to feel unsafe. You know that managers varies.
  • [51:59] Mike: I will say that I have taken a banana.
  • [52:01] Mike: I'm sure you haven't done this because you
  • [52:04] Keith: have not done this but I know what you're gonna say. Go on.
  • [52:08] Mike: You have taken a banana and, uh, peeled, So it's not like I'm gonna
  • [52:19] Mike: is not rough. And you just see how, See what it's like at various depths and like, it's Yeah, like terrifying South, right? We're uncomfortable is definitely the right word. Yeah, just kind of like, oh, man, like that would be
  • [52:38] Mike: and doing a repeatedly and stuff, you know, just yeah, but But that being said, if you were, like, aroused sure, like, there's a lot of like we've discussed many times. A lot of things you could see doing aroused that you on aroused would just be like this sucks. I have not, like, been beating off and taking a banana and chanted down my throat Have not done that. I don't think it would. I don't think it would. It wouldn't
  • [52:41] Mike: if a woman was jamming into your throat, Maybe
  • [52:43] Mike: sort of interesting,
  • [52:43] Mike: but
  • [52:46] Keith: I don't know. Yeah, I mean,
  • [52:54] Keith: I mean a riles. Okay. No, no, no. Arousal is weird, man. Like you like, if you know that they're really enjoying anything, like it could be intriguing.
  • [53:00] Mike: Yeah, this is like, this is just like I'm sure I
  • [53:12] Mike: I mean, I'm not sure I've ever actually seen porn of this, which is interesting. I know that must exist because of what Rule 34 But ah, so of course I've seen porn of guys getting pegged, which is always kind of
  • [53:28] Mike: pegging, is not that compelling to watch because, like the woman's covering her genitals and guys using his, but so is like nobody's. It's like this kind of weird. Nobody's getting pleasure kind of thing. Strange, but ah, I'm sure there are also chicks who get a strap on and then jam it down the guy's throat.
  • [53:31] Mike: True, it's a thing.
  • [53:39] Keith: Yeah, I mean, and that might be looking at what's the benefit to them of yet pegging them in there asshole or picking them in their mouth?
  • [53:43] Mike: It would just be if the woman has some sort of like kink. But like I could say, both of
  • [53:51] Keith: them are some sort of. Both of them are some sort of can Craig like neither, like the physical sensation they're receiving correct is not.
  • [53:56] Keith: Not exactly, at least at least in terms of like stimulation to their sexual organs is there's minimal difference,
  • [53:58] Mike: right there while they're getting none.
  • [54:02] Keith: Yeah, but, I mean, they're mechanically different,
  • [54:05] Keith: but there is not difference in stimulation to sexual organs. I
  • [54:11] Mike: will say, if I had if I had to pick one as a guy, I would pick the mouth
  • [54:14] Keith: if you were picking one to receive. Yeah.
  • [54:16] Keith: Yeah, I would too.
  • [54:22] Mike: Yeah, that's much less aggressive. I mean, I mean, look, women pick the mouth to write, So seems logical.
  • [54:25] Keith: Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, I've
  • [54:26] Keith: pretty
  • [54:29] Keith: anti interested in ah,
  • [54:32] Keith: having anything inserted in My asshole would be
  • [54:35] Mike: interesting. Teoh, find a guy who likes that, and
  • [54:46] Keith: although quiz him about it, I might I mean, I have wondered if, like, I'm to I'm too puritanical about this. And like, I mean, maybe I would enjoy being pegged, like maybe it feels good.
  • [54:49] Mike: Oh, I think it probably does. It's just
  • [54:52] Mike: like
  • [55:01] Mike: I think there's, like people who are, like, sort of pleasure seekers. And they wind up like doing drugs and we all these things to sort of like amp up their pleasure in situations like maximally and like, I just don't like yeah, like
  • [55:08] Mike: I'm able to achieve a high enough amount. Without that, I'm sure there's something there. I just don't care. Do
  • [55:14] Keith: you think that? Okay, that's a reasonable thing to say. Do you think that you can get like, you know, some sort of
  • [55:24] Keith: analog to to death Grip whereby, you know, your your regular orgasms become less intense if you're not getting pegged,
  • [55:29] Mike: you know? Yeah. I wonder if you could ask a gay guy that I kind of doubt it. I kind of doubt it,
  • [55:36] Mike: but I would I But it wouldn't surprise me if it amps it up somehow, in much the same way, I think women's orgasms get amped up by having something inside them.
  • [55:57] Mike: You know, like it's clearly a better expects to changes it in some, you know, in some way for them in the same year. I mean, like, look, it's sort of like the ruined or got something right. It's better if you have, like, something gripping you, then if you just like your Penis just flopping around, right? And so there's some, like sensation there. Obviously your butts a little different, but I bet there's some analog there.
  • [55:58] Keith: Yeah, okay.
  • [56:08] Keith: Okay. We're running out of time here, but yeah, like one topic or that sort of related to that conversation we're having about, like, porn with clothes on versus I should've brought this up then, but failed to How?
  • [56:10] Mike: Your underwear to the side. Yeah,
  • [56:19] Keith: right. Right. OK, so this is Don't you need a face ready? It is full of subs for every kind of porn you can imagine. And the cool thing is, lots of women will submit pics of themselves.
  • [56:26] Keith: The site is an amateur porn bonanza. He's right, by the way. That's great. Also, I would never pressure someone to do something they're comfortable with.
  • [56:34] Keith: Don't want your nude body and face on the Internet. That's perfectly understandable. But I find myself scrolling through dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens
  • [56:47] Keith: pictures of body parts that don't interest me at all To find the one and 20 pictures of a woman who shows her face, she could have the most amazing body in the world. But if I can't see her face, it might as well be a picture of a nice car, aesthetically pleasing but not arousing.
  • [57:00] Keith: I just don't get it. Does the average person find a picture of a pair of breasts or evolve, arousing? Find a picture of an attractive person arousing, and I suppose I don't need to see all of them. Sometimes pictures from the waist up could be hot, but I've got to be able to see their face and my weird.
  • [57:10] Mike: I think that's normal, like, First of all, I don't know what sub he's found that's like that. Like if you go toe any of the standard ones like on offer real girls or whatever, like there's always a phase
  • [57:15] Keith: that, in fact, you have not gone wild. Women hide their faces all the time.
  • [57:16] Mike: I don't go to that one.
  • [57:18] Mike: I mean, I think that shows my preference.
  • [57:20] Keith: Isn't that the number one,
  • [57:23] Keith: um, separated?
  • [57:35] Mike: Yeah, I'll tell you why. I don't go to that when it's very simple. It's because in my browser, your browser remembers what you type into it, right? So you could start talking gone. Yeah, and mine has gone wild tube,
  • [57:48] Mike: right? And so if I start going to go on while, then it's gonna slow me down. Maybe three seconds per typing each time. I'm trying to get to my thing because it's gonna always come up with the picture site when I want the video site, so I just have sworn off. Yeah,
  • [57:49] Mike: you gotta
  • [57:52] Keith: of you. You've saved yourself a least 16 seconds a year.
  • [57:55] Mike: Yeah, 10 there's a really important seconds, depending what
  • [57:58] Keith: they are. I mean, they could be critical seconds. Yes.
  • [58:01] Keith: Here. Um,
  • [58:09] Keith: but no. I think there are other, like, amateur porn, some bread. It's And then, like also, you'll see this on porn hub A lot. A lot of the amateur videos.
  • [58:22] Keith: It's actually sort of funny. They like they'll try to crop it in such a way to avoid think the girl's head. But like everyone, I mean, but it I mean, for starters, you could tell who somebody is without that. Like, if you know a person, you're gonna be able to tell
  • [58:33] Keith: if you ah, depends, not always. Not always, but like it's not. It's not good enough to not do that, right? Like especially if they have, like, a tattoo or like a boy.
  • [58:34] Keith: Come on.
  • [58:34] Keith: But
  • [58:36] Mike: I mean, like, there's a There's actually
  • [58:36] Mike: do
  • [58:40] Keith: you remember during, um, during ah,
  • [58:45] Keith: that's happening when? So the fact that it for those who don't know, I think it happened, what year was that a
  • [58:47] Mike: few years ago. I don't know.
  • [58:48] Keith: Josh
  • [58:55] Keith: doesn't 16 or before. Somebody like hacked a bunch of celebrities iPhones and then released the pictures
  • [59:08] Keith: to the Internet and some of them you couldn't actually see the celebrities faces. But like people were forensically going and finding pictures of celebrities and like their tattoos and moles and then like circling them on the nude ones without their faces. Anyway,
  • [59:09] Keith: um,
  • [59:26] Keith: I remember where I was going before that. Oh, yes. So people will go to like some some efforts to try to hide their faces on amateur porn videos or whatever. So and yet I think that I don't know this guy's experience where he's seeing porn without faces is one that I could relate to.
  • [59:33] Mike: Yeah, I mean, I sort of agree with his broad point like I mean, if you if you if I'm watching, like with one of my least favorite angles for a porn
  • [59:47] Mike: is the famous one that's taken where the guy were this a doggy style and it's taken from behind the guy, right? So that's one example where I think you might have difficulty identifying people cause it's just literally two butts
  • [59:54] Mike: Um, and it's also the point being that I also think I that shows that I can tend to agree with what he's saying because it's so generic.
  • [60:02] Mike: But it's like I know there's just no person there. It's like, totally generic interesting that I I'm so interested in,
  • [60:04] Mike: sort of like
  • [60:09] Mike: reality in a person when it's on a computer screen. But in free life,
  • [60:13] Mike: in real life, I want less. It's a telling, very telling thing. There's Yeah,
  • [60:16] Keith: that's there's something there to double click on.
  • [60:18] Mike: Psychologists work on that.
  • [60:21] Keith: I think it's strange that, like
  • [60:21] Keith: I mean,
  • [60:26] Keith: I think if I don't see the head, I assume that it's like a beautiful person.
  • [60:31] Keith: Um, you know that there's like the, You know, the classic thing, like if you see
  • [60:37] Keith: like Oh, this is interesting. If if you're online dating and like you're going through like a girl's profile and there's like,
  • [60:39] Keith: um,
  • [60:48] Keith: a bunch of you know that, you know, everybody pushes a bunch of photos. If they're wearing sunglasses in all of them, you have to make sure that your
  • [60:50] Keith: that's a risky it's riskier.
  • [60:54] Mike: I mean, you figure that any body part they're hiding is bad.
  • [60:58] Keith: They may not even be intentionally hiding their eyes. But
  • [61:06] Keith: when? When? When? When your brain sees a picture of a woman in sunglasses, it just assumes the best. And, um,
  • [61:08] Mike: you're worried about her, Like having an eye patch or something?
  • [61:19] Keith: No, no, I said, Well, who knows? Like, but, I mean, you're you're missing a lot of information. Um, you know the way will do their eyelashes and eyebrows and whatever like that that all matters. And
  • [61:22] Keith: it's just risky, too,
  • [61:23] Keith: to go for that. But
  • [61:37] Keith: anyway, do you happy? But because I am sort of aware that my brain like assumes the best, It's sort of strange that, like, I'm so desperate to find out what that information is like not seeing a face, I agree is is a minus. But
  • [61:40] Keith: I'm not sure exactly psychologically why?
  • [61:51] Mike: Yeah. I mean, I think it's just cause you're like your what's going on. Is there psychologically, like constructing a fantasy? Yeah. And like the last information you have, like, the closer you are to just basically having your eyes closed
  • [61:54] Mike: and so Okay. Yeah, I guess that's right. Yeah,
  • [61:57] Keith: that feels right.
  • [61:59] Keith: Um, okay. All right, fine.
  • [62:03] Keith: So the answer to that. Don't you need to face? The answer is yes. You dio. Yeah,
  • [62:10] Mike: but, I mean, just in the same way they like it might be hard. Well, I mean, the thing you do with Instagram, that might be challenging, too, because you just get
  • [62:13] Mike: certain body parts and not others, like you're looking for it all.
  • [62:20] Keith: Well, you get the face, but you can also see the curves. Usually that's true. That's true, you know? And then,
  • [62:29] Keith: yeah, I'm not sure like how much, you know, seeing details of the vulva are important to constructing my fantasy.
  • [62:31] Mike: Yeah, it's hard to say.
  • [62:33] Keith: Yeah.
  • [62:36] Keith: Um okay, fine. That's enough for seven.
  • [62:38] Keith: All right,
  • [62:53] Keith: so that'll do it for ah, Episode 16 of your mileage Mayberry assed reminder. You can contact us at why MMV pod at gmail dot com or on her Facebook patient reminder. We're giving 10 bucks. Anyone who gives us feedback. Why am and the y m and the pod a gmail dot com,