Your Mileage May Vary: Religious Insemination, Chubby Threesomes, Working For Sex, Dirty Fingering, Is He Gay?

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[00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial but mostly in good faith I have collected a scandalous list of sexy topics to cover today including what's a reasonable expectation of cleanliness during anal play.
[00:13] Mike: Are 2
[00:16] Keith: Whether men are expected to do too much work during sex how to compassionately incorporate a less attractive third into a threesome. How much sex is normal in a young marriage and more I am Keith my co-host is Mike hello mike I am well I was thinking on my.
[00:28] Mike: Hey Keith how are you doing.
[00:35] Keith: Run today can so nuns have to take an oath of celibacy right? Do do they need to be do catholic nuns need to be virgins or do they just need to be virgin or do they just need to be celibate after they take the the pledge.
[00:41] Mike: Probably I'm not.
[00:46] Mike: Wow.
[00:53] Mike: Ah I'm going to guess that it's the second one that they don't have to be virgins that seems unlikely.
[00:59] Keith: I mean I don't know catholicism is and what about priests to priests need to be virgins. Okay, so a because that because what would the vow of celibacy mean if you were previously it means your celibate from that point forward. Not.
[01:04] Mike: No No because they can have commit I mean look the reality. I mean is the yes, but yes, but I mean look all this stuff's negotiable because you can just commit the sin and then be forgiven. Yeah I mean like if a priest has Sex. He doesn't stop being a priest. He just committed a Sin. He.
[01:22] Keith: And still become a priest or a nun.
[01:31] Keith: I didn't know that I thought maybe you would get excommunicated or something. Okay.
[01:32] Mike: Broke his mouth I don't think so no I mean that yeah you can you can simply? Yeah yeah, just just confess that you've you know, fallen short etc. Yeah yeah I mean there are things that you could get.
[01:44] Keith: Right? And then you say your 7 hell marys and then you're.
[01:50] Mike: In trouble for where I mean I think the most important thing would be lack of contrition if you did the thing then you then you might actually get kicked out.
[02:00] Keith: And do you have to express contrition. You just need to apologize I Guess that is the definition of contrition I got myself there. Ah okay, well the thing I was wondering is could a nun ah get artificially inseminated and carry a child would she be allowed to do that.
[02:04] Mike: Um, very simple. Yeah, right.
[02:16] Mike: Almost certainly not because oh no I'm I'm actually sure not because I'll tell you why because I actually have a catholic friend that I've discussed these topics with before I can speak of some authority I'm not a religious myself but I can get there. Ah so ah, the issue with.
[02:18] Keith: Why.
[02:22] Keith: Good.
[02:30] Mike: And this comes up with um the ivf thing that was going on I think Alabama yeah, ok, ah, where ah the republicans has got their wires crossed a little bit because they want they want no abortion but they want ivf right? But the problem is that the Catholic Church's position on this is that once you.
[02:33] Keith: But that's why I was thinking about it.
[02:49] Mike: So yeah, once you do an artificial thing to get Pregnant. You've already committed the sin you've already committed the wrong and then it's hard. What my friend told me is it's hard to talk about what's right and wrong after that. So and the reason I had this conversation with him is I think I was trying to trap him into some conversation about well. Yeah I mean like. Let's say that you do ivf Now. You have all these extra fetuses or something I was trying to like come up with something in his. He basically stopped me and said well the problem like I would go back to the ivf and say like it's hard for me to reason about it after that because you've done you've already committed a sin and so ivf right.
[03:12] Keith: Um, yeah.
[03:21] Keith: Doing the fertilizing the egg was but fertilizing the egg seems like it should be Okay, it's the discarding of the unused eggs. That's the.
[03:30] Mike: No no, It's not because the I mean okay, you could get to some sort of real granularity here in terms of but I I think in general that what a catholic person would say a very devout Catholic person is that. The way that you should become impregnated is with a human you know living penis inserted in your vagina. You should not Well I mean realized that Oh Yeah I mean this is like all theological but like.
[03:52] Keith: What does the bible say about that.
[04:01] Mike: Ah, the Catholic Church at least it's not just what the bible says right? There's like tradition and what sort of the church has said over the years so it's like beyond it would be more protestant churches that would be like hey look let's look for a bible citation about this so they're going to say that like this is traditional and what we've what's come down over the ages. Ah. Are you are you madly searching to try to disprove what I'm saying good. Let's see if my friend is right there we go I'm pretty sure I think I think you know this friend as well and he's pretty knowledgeable and he's he's he's a lawyer.
[04:23] Keith: I'm I'm asking Chet Gp T What's the popes stance and Ivf Holds a clear stance against Invitro fertilization. The position is yeah. Yeah, yeah.
[04:37] Mike: And is pretty knowledgeable about sort of the legal aspects of like they call it Canon law church law and so yeah I'm pretty sure he'd be on the ball on this.
[04:44] Keith: The Vatican's main objections to ivf include the separation of procreation from the conjugal act that the disposal of Embryos which is the thing that I thought of and the potential for eugenics or selective breeding practices. Yeah, so the last.
[04:49] Mike: There we go? Yeah I told you right? Yeah, you're supposed to like they. It's interestingly they want that they want you to nut a but China it's sort of an interesting element of their religion is that yeah that.
[05:04] Keith: Right.
[05:08] Mike: That's that's important and and but I mean from a from a sort of an argumentation standpoint it does allow them to sidestep a lot of these issues because they can just say look We don't we. We're not in favor of any of this and so none being artificially inseminated. No because of the artificial insemination and for interestingly I have taken this position with.
[05:24] Keith: I see yeah I I thought I found an end around here where you could have a nun with a baby but I see they've they've secured all the ah all the back doors.
[05:36] Mike: Yeah, the back door I've I've taken this position with Lesbians before where I say like you should you know, find them like I basically volunteered to be their meat artificial inseminator but that is I will tell you extremely boorish of a man to do because.
[05:50] Keith: Um.
[05:53] Mike: Lesbians don't want to have that conversation.
[05:56] Keith: Um, yes, and so they've probably had it with plenty of people suggesting it.
[06:02] Mike: That's probably true. This feels like the ask I Guess you you told me this asking a a black woman about her or saying you like her hair. It's like that like it's It's a thing where it's like oh this is this obvious thing to say because often they have really cool hair but you can't.
[06:11] Keith: Right? right? right? It's ah it's out of bounds right? Yeah yeah, my sisters are twins and they get every time they it comes out that they're twins.
[06:17] Mike: You can't because everyone says it? Yeah, so it's it's like that.
[06:29] Keith: The person they're talking to will be like oh I know a set of twins and my sisters are like that's that's great I've never heard that before right right? Identical are far less common than fraternal, especially now because there's a zillion fraternal twins.
[06:32] Mike: Right? Well, it's like 1 in a hundred births or something is a twin birth. Although maybe identical twins are less common than that I'm not sure they probably are.
[06:48] Keith: From Ivf. Do you know why? that is yes, they actually implant to you that So when they first start with Ivf they implant one. But if that's not taking they'll start implanting to.
[06:49] Mike: Right? I assume because they implant ah like 5 or 6 embryos not knowing how many will take and then.
[07:04] Mike: Um I have a I have a friend from college whose mom had that done I don't know if it was ivf but had something like that done in this 1970 s and he has triplet sisters.
[07:12] Keith: Yeah, yeah, ah I actually don't know if they eventually go beyond to part of the problem is to implant 2 You need to harvest 2 eggs and harvesting eggs is sort of a onerous involved process that.
[07:16] Mike: Um, yeah.
[07:25] Mike: Yeah.
[07:29] Keith: Not very pleasant and so you know you might not want to fire all your barrels at onces. Um, but if you're having problems conceiving then the probability of this single one in planting is much higher if you implant more than one.
[07:33] Mike: Yeah.
[07:43] Mike: Right? right? And then you can yes this this getss again to that religious objection because you're you're you're basically guaranteeing that you're going to ah cause the death of some number of the embryos even though in in the natural order of things that would happen anyway. Um.
[07:47] Keith: First.
[07:52] Keith: And. Yeah, well, it's not really an embryo boy look you're you're going to be beyond me in the what's the difference between an embry and a the zygote is as soon as it's as soon as it's ah.
[08:05] Mike: It's a I goat the potential embryo.
[08:17] Keith: Fertilized and an embryo is once it's embedded into the uterus is that right? little Well how many stem cells stem cell How many cell divisions before it becomes an embryo.
[08:19] Mike: I'm not sure I think a zygote is just a little embryo the beginning. This is ah eighth, Eighth grade biology.
[08:32] Mike: A good question. Don't know we'd have to get someone to email in. Yeah yeah, so there's an article that I ran across while we were chatting before the show. Ah, and this is yeah this is Apropos Some of the stuff we talk about sometimes on this show.
[08:36] Keith: All right? Um, did you have something for us before we get to the topics to your.
[08:49] Mike: So this is ripped from the headlines today disturbing rise in teenage boys demanding rough sex and choking girls as young as 12 a survey of.
[08:57] Keith: Wait it ah sorry, not choking girls as young as 12 but a rise in boys wanting to choke and the boys are as young as 12
[09:01] Mike: Yeah.
[09:09] Mike: I don't think it matters because I think the girls are typically around the same age as the boy. Um, so a survey of 5000 women at a Midwestern University suggests a rise 40%
[09:12] Keith: Fair fair point. Yeah.
[09:22] Mike: Ah, rise of 40% of choking incidents occurring between the ages of 12 to 17 up from 25 so rise to 40% so used to be that's a good question I mean presumably they just ask them if you've been choked by a partner during sex.
[09:26] Keith: Hold on how are they measuring choking incidents.
[09:36] Keith: A 12 year old and the line is it 12 they has eleven year olds and it's still the same as it used to be oh I see.
[09:40] Mike: No, no, they ask them when they're in and ah now they ask girls that are in college. What their experience was between age 12 and 17 and apparently 40% reported that between 12 and 17 someone had choked them. Ah so you know they're talking. It's a normalization therefore of. Of rough sex through the culture. Yeah they did they did it was 25% in a previous survey. So it's going off 40.
[10:01] Keith: Okay, but did they do this same survey twenty years ago and the numbers were lower. Okay, okay, sorry it was 25 and and what is it now? Yeah ah methodology. Potential methodology is aside that tracks I think that um rough sex is. But for starters access to porn is much more prevalent than it was twenty years ago and also I think rough sex is portrayed and even aggrandized in the media a lot more.
[10:27] Mike: Okay.
[10:38] Keith: I've been watching this show called insecure which was on Hbo from like 2016 to 2021 and it has a lot of sex in it and they sort of explore some of the emerging sexual norms around rougher sex on that show.
[10:54] Mike: Okay.
[10:57] Keith: And this show was very popular. Um, and then there's the show euphoria with ah zenia and Sidney Sweeney and yeah so euphoria came out.
[11:02] Mike: That 1 gets brought up what it what is that show but that gets brought up on Tiktok I don't know anything about it though.
[11:11] Keith: Before the pandemic. The first season came out before the pandemic and it has zendiah in it. You know who she is yes but that could have been a lucky guess.
[11:17] Mike: She's an attractive woman. Not probably not my type I think no I know just from that. But I'm I'm gonna guess I mean yeah, she's not my type. It's nice. Yeah.
[11:28] Keith: Ah, she's from Oakland by the way your backyard. But um, so she ah she's like a super duper star now she's dating whoever the guy who is in the most recent Spiderman movies was Tom Holland Tom
[11:43] Mike: All right? yeah.
[11:46] Keith: Something ah and the other stars from that show have also sort of become a listers anyway, that show explores ah high school There's a lot of sex in it and it and it takes place in high school. In fact, the first episode. Has a scene where a trans teenager um is slept with by a much older man and it's it's ah it is a man who ah.
[12:12] Mike: Which direction trans.
[12:24] Mike: A woman a Trans woman. Yes, yes because they want to be you want to use the word for what they are becoming not what they were.
[12:24] Keith: Wants to be or it wants to be that's not the right a trans woman is that the right? What's the is that the proper terminology here. Okay, it's a trans woman and this actress her name is Hunter Schaffer and she's like a model now. And like billboard campaigns you can look her up if you like but the first episode is she meets a man on some app and um, they meet at a motel and he has very rough sex with her. Um, and there's other um.
[12:45] Mike: Okay.
[12:58] Mike: Um, what kind what kind of sex Do they have like does it is it shown.
[13:02] Keith: He sodomizes her and it's sort of unclear it. It seems like it's forced, but it's not I don't remember exactly that I want to be careful not to get myself into trouble here. But it's not completely clear that it was not consensual. It was certainly not romantic. Ah, but anyway.
[13:17] Mike: Okay.
[13:21] Keith: These types of shows are a major part of the American Zeitgeist now and that and increased access to porn I think alone would be exposing young boys' minds to these ideas that these things are normal and so it's not surprising that that that would happen I I don't know. Yeah.
[13:23] Mike: A.
[13:41] Keith: I mean you remember in the 90 s and like early two thousand s when everyone was worked up about violence and video games. So I'm I'm not sure if the increase in but to the extent there even has been an increase of in violence in the us I'm not sure there has ah.
[13:43] Mike: Sure.
[13:52] Mike: What do you think is the age from a survey at which most at the average age at which a young person first sees pornography whether on purpose or by accident. What would your guest be yes.
[14:05] Keith: Now in 2024 oh boy I mean the thing is ah kids have access to smartphones now. So if they ever get mom's smartphone when they're 7 like I'm sure as soon as they can type.
[14:14] Mike: Fright.
[14:20] Mike: Right? So you're guessing like 8 or that according to this article. It's 12 but that seems wrong to me that seems way too old.
[14:20] Keith: They might type in like naked woman or something.
[14:28] Keith: Um I agree that's probably people not admitting.
[14:31] Mike: Right? Or maybe not remembering Maybe it It wasn't notable to them.
[14:37] Keith: Or maybe smartphones didn't exist when they were 8 because that would be sixteen years ago right so ipads and smartphones and just laptops everywhere is there. This might be lagging a little bit.
[14:42] Mike: And that's a fair point. That's a fair point So you so yes.
[14:51] Mike: Right? I'd be pretty great if you were going you were you know you? there's always like in Costco or the shop. Ah the supermarket you'll see this the the kid in the shopping cart sitting in like a little chair in the shopping cart and nowadays often often has a phone.
[15:03] Keith: Um, yeah, yes.
[15:08] Mike: Be pretty funny if you were walking by one and they were just watching a fucking nasty porn a 2 year old is like yeah slapper slap give it to her.
[15:11] Keith: Ah, you hear the moing ah got to get that screen dime. Yeah anyway, so so so the result of of that survey that you just said again, notwithstanding any method methodological errors I mean that sounds that that tracks to me.
[15:28] Mike: Right? Basically? Well basically you're the this is boys seeing what they see in porn and then emulating it right? yeah.
[15:31] Keith: Do you have any theory.
[15:35] Keith: Um, yeah, it's not porn only Mike I like euphoria and um insecure were like massive hits.
[15:44] Mike: Is there any effort in euphoria for example to ah help young men understand what would actually pleasure a woman probably not right? which is ironic because they're trying to be politically correct and.
[15:55] Keith: Um, um.
[15:59] Mike: Ah, sensitive and everything.
[16:01] Keith: The show's gotten into somehow water apparently the director asks people to be maybe nude more than they would like. There's this one actress named Sidney Sweeney who plays like a high school cheerleader. Um, and she you know she's very chesy. Um, and she and some other actresses on the show have complained that they were sort of nudged toward nudity. They didn't want to do um but then they're all careful to say but then I just brought my concern to the director and then we we changed the scene because. I think none of them want to look a gift horse in the mouth like that. The reason for their fame is that show.
[16:40] Mike: That must be complicated I mean I wonder yeah I wonder what their thought process even is because yeah I guess that may like maybe the optimal outcome is to do it. Get the notoriety for it. But then later say you were forced to do it.
[16:54] Keith: Yes, do you remember Megan Fox tried that with um the director of transformers. What's that guy's name transformers director Michael Bay and ah I don't know if you saw the first two jit.
[16:57] Mike: No go on I don't know.
[17:12] Keith: Ah, listeners Mike famously detests movies there he is. He's above there but he likes shaw shake redemption and I think that's the the beginning and end of his though and the empire strikes back those so you see the 2 movies you like. Ah.
[17:14] Mike: I Like a few movies That's a good one? Yeah, those are up there I like that I like a.
[17:30] Keith: Okay, if you think of any other the course of this episode. Let us know. Okay, but yeah, not 3 nobody likes 3 so I up with you there. Ah well anyway Megan Fox was this like.
[17:33] Mike: And like the godfather and the godfather too. Yeah, you know that's impossible. Okay, so.
[17:45] Keith: Late teen or maybe she was in her early t twenty s when they when they shot that movie and yeah, she basically serves as you know like a pinup model to you know, get people they could put her on the poster and put her in the preview and. Like she didn't have a very thought provoking role and in the film. Let's say and she came out after the second one and she complained about it a bunch and then yeah they fired her or they she wasn't in the third one. But yeah, it occurred to me that. Like I guess I sort of understand her point of view but she's again would be careful here but she's yeah, the reason why she got famous is because of that bimbo role and she's right that it was very It was a lame role. But.
[18:23] Mike: Um, it's hard because they because it's she's right.
[18:36] Keith: There was. It's not like she was going to get you know a role that 60 year old Meryl Streep gets at that point in her career. So.
[18:42] Mike: Right? Yeah I mean it's a little hard to go along with her critique there because that's the entire reason why they would select her I mean something like that could happen to a man as well depending on his physique or maybe you're looking for a man with a really large penis for your role or something I don't Know. You could have that happen.
[19:01] Keith: Oh it could no, there's movies where you know people are just there for the way they look. It's just that I don't know like for example, Ken and the Barbie movie was an a-list academy award-winning actor. Um, and maybe it's that.
[19:06] Mike: Yeah.
[19:13] Mike: Yeah, yeah I mean.
[19:19] Keith: Maybe it's that like women don't care for their eye candy to be teenagers or early twenty year olds like men prefer them to be.
[19:26] Mike: Sure I mean it's not that surprising to me that you wouldn't have the most compelling role possible in a movie called Transformers I don't even I've never seen the movie but I'm imagining It's the it's the Auto autobots and the decepticons is that right.
[19:38] Keith: You got it? Yeah, there's optimist prime and it's the bad guy megatron. Yeah.
[19:44] Mike: Yes, I mean this is in their air. The the bad guys are airplanes and the good guys are cars which so the the bad guys always win. But I mean they should but they somehow don't It's really stupid I don't think so I think airplanes are better than than than cars. Always.
[19:49] Keith: Yeah, well, there's a rock paper scissors thing going on for each. Yeah but they can all fly I think I don't I don't.
[20:03] Mike: And like military settings. Oh that's that that helps so you're a car. Yeah anyway, whatever. Ah, yeah, anyway in such a movie I wouldn't expect that but but back to this Euphoria Tv show so so essentially ah it's it's continuing along the trend of.
[20:07] Keith: Remember.
[20:16] Keith: Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[20:22] Mike: Essentially, you're just tracking on what you would see on Pornhub but just like more closer to G rated R rated what right like you're becoming more and more kind of aggressive over time.
[20:29] Keith: Yeah, you might watch it. You're going to find it. Ah very, you'll find it boring but I think it might I think it provides some interesting inspection into the zeitgeist.
[20:44] Mike: Yeah, okay.
[20:47] Keith: Um, and the the hair and makeup is is sort of famous for the way they've they've done that. Um, yeah, it is remarkable in that show. Um.
[20:52] Mike: Um, that's the kind of thing I usually remark on is hair and makeup. Okay, okay, ah yeah I mean that's that that makes sense. Um, by the way have you speaking of ah porn sites following the zeitgeist. I became aware recently that on pornhub and I think this has to do with Ftf two MFTMTranssexuals there's a pretty large so to speak amount of ah content on pornhub and these various porn sites now of people with gigantic clits.
[21:18] Keith: Ah.
[21:27] Mike: You encountered this.
[21:30] Keith: No I don't use porn nub for discovery of new content I sort of have my greatest hits how do you like I know you're much more explorative than me like where is there like ah you know like on a Reddit you can go to new or rising.
[21:32] Mike: All right cool.
[21:45] Mike: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the way. Yes, there is the way that I do it is I go to the Nsf w 4 1 one subreddit and then they they'll have various and I'll like do the top this week and they'll just be ah.
[21:46] Keith: And you can sort of be on the cutting edge of of what the new memes are going to be that way. Is there a way to do that on pornhub. Okay.
[22:02] Mike: Weird things people ask for and so I think this one there were a couple the postings that led me to well I mean it was I think I'm not I don't remember the exact postings on there that led me into this dark or maybe very light corner of the universe.
[22:07] Keith: With big glitz.
[22:17] Keith: That's how convenient. Ah.
[22:20] Mike: But it was yeah I mean it's It's sort of striking These are not what I would consider I mean I remember ah videos from law. Yes, this is this is clearly I think hormonally altered although maybe not maybe some of these people are intersex and like it's just becoming more normalized.
[22:28] Keith: What's these the klits. Okay oh I see.
[22:38] Mike: So like maybe there is now porn being filmed of people that just before would have been you know frankly, not considered attractive or something that you would want to film.
[22:46] Keith: Can you describe to me the type of I was going to say man but person who might be seeking out big clit content yourself excluded.
[22:55] Mike: Ah, yeah I mean there's the but ok I mean mine is definitely a kind of intrigue and curiosity for sure kind of yeah I mean this isn't I It's It's a little hard to get sort of aroused or attracted to it because it's just it it.
[23:06] Keith: Uses anthropological.
[23:15] Mike: Crosses some border where it's not obviously male or female and so you're not sure it's just it's almost medical right? It's like oh this is not ah like I believe the person is being aroused by the manipulation of this body part but it just doesn't look like body parts that your brain would.
[23:30] Keith: Okay, so you can imagine like ah David Attenborough commenting on.
[23:34] Mike: Um, maybe it I don't if I want to go that far. But I mean it's basically like you know you just have this body part that's kind of engorged looks sort of penis like maybe but kind of slimy and with hair around it and they're just manipulating it and you're kind of like all right I mean it? Yeah, it's ah it's a little strange. What.
[23:38] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. And it's go ahead.
[23:50] Mike: Who way you want to know who would be aroused by this I mean I'm guessing it's would it be more women I'm not sure honestly who would who would who would be specifically looking for this like you can't really ask that and also I've been banned from and Nsf W four one I can't comment on it anymore. Um.
[24:05] Keith: I mean you could use 1 of your 17 alt accounts.
[24:09] Mike: That's true I could I bet I don't want to get that one banned and I think that asking like what kind of person would be interested in this is probably against the rules that probably is like 1 of the things you can do that like oh for sure right? People are supposed to be able to ask for it directly? yeah.
[24:16] Keith: Because because the implication is that you're shaming it.
[24:24] Keith: I Don't think I'm shaming it I mean I guess since we're exploring the topic somebody a man who was really into contents like that I might question his straightness.
[24:31] Mike: Oh.
[24:37] Mike: So me I don't think that yeah I'm not sure that would be right in this case because it's not look and I if I had to like I can understand having seen this content I can understand how and this is true. Historically when people were born babies were born intersex. They often or generally would get sexed female and I can sort of see how that works in that when you don't have like a really clear cock and balls like I think your brain does process it as a female body right? So Even though there's like this sort of enlarged part there. Yeah you So I.
[25:02] Keith: Ah.
[25:09] Keith: K.
[25:16] Mike: I Think that like what you perceive as male is different from that. It's a little harder to simulate.
[25:19] Keith: Yeah, but like just because I sort something in the female bucket I think there's the degrees of femininity and for people that are ah.
[25:32] Mike: This isn't gonna not me.
[25:34] Keith: Exploring things that are to the masculine side of the femininity scale I think that could correlate or imply something right.
[25:42] Mike: Yeah, yeah, this is this isn't going to be ah posted on God pussy anytime soon or if it did it would get it'd be kind of fun to post it and get it down voteed. But you know it's strange stuff like I don't I don't It's not like I said it's not arousing to me who would be yeah but there must be. Maybe I'm not sure I'm honest that you've got me there I don't know who would obviously there's a market for it because I un discovered that there's a fair amount of this content on the tube sites. And I was I too was kind of confused about who actually is consuming this and I didn't do things like look at the number of views I should have done that? Yeah yes, Yes, yeah.
[26:13] Keith: It's.
[26:18] Keith: Yeah, all right? Well you can continue your your case study here. All right. We should move on to some of the topics I promised. Ah okay, we've talked about like anal cleanliness before but I want to this this has a. Specific thing I want to get into all right? This is a twenty year old or boyfriend's 25 ah my boyfriend fingered my butt and it was embarrassing. This is kind of gross and embarrassing so me and my boyfriend were getting in the mood and he was fingering me and then went into my butt which was kind of a surprise but it didn't really bother me but it was at his mom's House. And I can't really go to the bathroom in random places. It's too embarrassing to say like it didn't get anywhere or on anything except his fingers. So when she says I can't really go to the bathroom she means poop and when she's that's yes, and yeah, that yeah I'll translate for us and.
[26:55] Mike: Okay, okay.
[27:04] Mike: Yeah, she's saying that there was there was something in there. There was a there was yes.
[27:14] Keith: Ah, and it got on his fingers is must be poop all right I didn't realize till I went to the bathroom to clean up that when I wiped back there and then I got really embarrassed and told him to drive me home so he did and didn't say anything to me about it I went home and ah yeah.
[27:21] Mike: M. Did he put his finger on the steering wheel like where was this I'm really worried about this guy's finger the whole time.
[27:33] Keith: Ah, presumably this this house has 2 bathrooms so he was able to wash his house hands in acid.
[27:38] Mike: You're gonna have to like you're gonna have to has it I was going to say you got to get up ah under the the fingernail like this is tricky stuff now.
[27:44] Keith: Yeah, yes, ah I went home and cried because it was so embarrassing for me I've never had anything like this happen to me mainly because I've never had anybody do it blah blah blah and today and he brought it up I was embarrassed I don't know I'm so embarrassed. Okay, yeah, all right? Um, what. Is a reasonable amount of cleanliness to expect like I think okay, okay, let me read the first 3 comments here because I think they're sort of indicative of like what people think the reality is here but I disagree with them all right.
[28:09] Mike: All right.
[28:18] Keith: A person once says if you play in the butt. You know what you're getting into you absolutely shouldn't be embarrassed that is 4000 up votes. Ah yeah, all right? ah comment to people who get into butt play prepare for it. Your man's sneak attack was met with a counter attack simple as that don't be embarrassed or feel ashamed.
[28:20] Mike: Wow 4000
[28:37] Keith: He wants to go down that road. He needs to be prepared for what lies ahead all right? and then last one nothing to be embarrassed about but Stifs but stuff sometimes gets messy. Um, okay.
[28:46] Mike: Yeah, but was a sneak was it was it I was it in fact, a sneak attack. Okay, all right, Let's assume that. Okay.
[28:52] Keith: It sounds like it was a sneak attack so they'd never done anything like this before. So I guess in that sense she she kind of shouldn't be embarrassed. But I think there's some onus on her to say like hey not today.
[29:10] Mike: Oh interesting because she knew you're concerned because she knew that there she she had a bullet in the chamber right? Yeah ah I mean what it's It's tricky look I think.
[29:14] Keith: She she specifically told us.
[29:21] Keith: Now she she made she's young. She's 20 She may not know exactly what happens and maybe it happened quickly. You know there's there's some offerramps here for her to be exonerated.
[29:27] Mike: Right.
[29:34] Mike: I Don't yeah I don't This is a thing This is a thing that I don't have a good sense of I think as a man you would know ah very quickly that something was going into your anus because that's it's quite a different.. It's a different location from your penis etc. But for a woman like maybe the the proximity might make it actually so that she wouldn't have time.. It's believable to me that she might not have time. Well Okay, so let's say that he's rubbing the area and he's his fingers say lubricated from her vagina.
[29:57] Keith: Maybe I think she knew what was happening. It's just it caught her by surprise.
[30:09] Keith: Ah.
[30:10] Mike: The insertion could be maybe maybe maybe he often rubs the area and then it was the insertion that was surprised and that could happen in under a second. So if it happened in under a second like that like do you think I mean.
[30:14] Keith: Maybe or maybe he just maybe he yeah but yeah, it could.
[30:25] Mike: Do you think that when he was I you're going to say yes when he was rubbing the area she should have said don't put it in.
[30:29] Keith: Yeah, there needs to be some kind of.
[30:32] Mike: But she's hoping she won't have to bring up that topic.
[30:38] Keith: Yeah, yeah I don't know the specifics here. But yes, okay, okay, here's what I think I think that um if somebody is moving toward your asshole and you know you're not ready for that.
[30:42] Mike: Um, like if you were yeah.
[30:50] Mike: Okay.
[30:55] Keith: Not because you don't want it to happen but because you have not done the proper ah pre-work. Um, yeah, like you need to say something you can't just like like it's on the the receiver to say something before.
[31:06] Mike: Okay.
[31:13] Mike: Um, which so okay, this does put a special burden on women that would not typically be on men just because 2 reasons one is that it's less common for it to happen with the male body and secondly, it's just a further distance to travel so he has more time.
[31:13] Keith: It happens.
[31:18] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[31:26] Keith: I Don't you really think it's a timing thing like the man just like quickly quickly quickly that you know nins is way up in there.
[31:29] Mike: I do.
[31:35] Mike: It's a combination of timing and the fact that the thing where I have like a lack of certainty is I I think that the anatomy is so close together there on a woman that she might might be actually confusing for a second.
[31:46] Keith: It is but in my ah dalliances into this realm I don't not trying to do it with ah you know a gurilla attack here. You know.
[31:59] Mike: Um I think many men do because they because they're a little embarrassed themselves and they're horny.
[32:05] Keith: But don't you think the right way. Um, okay, well that that part it sort of excuses all bad behavior but don't you think the proper way is to sort of slowly insinuate and give her ample opportunity to slowly insinuate the other way.
[32:20] Mike: Sure but this this gets back to that thing of ah like super informed consent or basically like ah there's like a what's that guy Bill Bill Barr no Bill Barr was the ah attorney general. Yeah who what's his name something Barr anyway, ah he he talks about.
[32:30] Keith: The comedian oh yeah, Bill Burr Bill Burr afraid
[32:36] Mike: Burr. Yeah, that's it not not the attorney general ah Bill Burr he talks about how like you know, no means no but like it depends on how the word no is said right? She's like no no right? I mean there's like there's like a way she could say it that doesn't mean no and it's the same so like he's making a joke there but there is like a real thing here which is that if you require.
[32:45] Keith: Right? yeah.
[32:56] Mike: Like nobody wants to do that. It's the point nobody wants to have this upfront super clear conversation because it kind of breaks the spell of what's happening right? like they want to be violated a little bit.
[33:05] Keith: I hear you but this doesn't need to be even verbal at all. You know you you sort of you know you know, but like if if I'm like bringing my my hand.
[33:16] Mike: Push his hand away.
[33:25] Keith: You know, rather than cupping the buttocks I'm starting to get closer and closer to the crack closer and closer Still, you know she can sort of squirm in such a way that it's It's obvious that's not what she wants I feel like there's ah the resistance.
[33:35] Mike: Um, maybe that's like maybe that's she makes it more exciting for him because it's like oh like I'm yeah and the other thing is she doesn't want to I kind of understand where she's coming from here. She doesn't want to respond in that way because she she doesn't want to break the spell she doesn't want to like make it. She just want to become gross immediately like oh just see you know there's a turd in there right? Nobody wants to kind of like bring turds into it.
[34:01] Keith: I feel like there's there's another I mean for starters, if you're going towards the asshole keeping that object out of 1 ne's mind is a little bit that's.
[34:17] Mike: Tricky.
[34:18] Keith: I Mean yeah, it's it's hard to do I mean but once you're in that Realm I feel like poop is is sort of on the table. But yeah I don't know.
[34:22] Mike: Yeah, it's tricky I mean I think that I think but yeah, there's there's another like very related topic to this that I think will to your horn that very very similar so I was watching a. Probably Tiktok video and it was a but from a woman for some reason I'm now on the I'm now I've now entered into the space of Tiktok where I get the um brazilian waxers. Ah I yeah guess I I i.
[34:47] Keith: For some reason there must be something wrong with their algorithm.
[34:54] Mike: No, it's no their algorithm is pretty much perfect, but the but it's interesting how you stop getting certain kind of videos and you start getting other kind I really have to stop using this app I actually actually think it's bad for my mental health but let's set that aside.
[35:05] Keith: I this ah this arc has been interesting I remember when I first told you about it. You were like no no no and then and now look at you. This is a disaster this is whatever with the a Amazon echo as well. How how many do you own to have how many echoes? yeah.
[35:12] Mike: Um, yeah, no I've got I I need to I need to? yeah, it's like twelve twelve to 15 may a lot I have the one I have the one that has a screen on it.
[35:23] Keith: Yeah, all right? Oh nice. Well who's the new ceo Andy Jaffe appreciates your business brazilian wax tiktok.
[35:28] Mike: Yeah, it's really stupid but it it has this. Ah yeah, it's really stupid Anyway, Yes, ah so this woman was talking about how when waxer.
[35:43] Keith: She's a waxer or a waxy. Okay.
[35:46] Mike: There's a separate way. There's waxies that get on there and complain because like apparently it's some women some waxers don't wax the labia and so they'll say oh, it's like I have two kiwi fruit down there which is an interesting and then it's a problem. You know you have.
[35:59] Keith: Oh you know? Ah I've I've encountered that. Yeah, we're like it's kind of Hairless but then like as you get like and you know into the into the labia. Yeah, there'll be some fuzz there that and I thought it was just a sloppy wax or a sloppy shave. But.
[36:12] Mike: Um, okay so that's apparently that's a I will say that the women that have talked about this happening to them. It's like happening to them not for them like they they viewed it as sloppy. So.
[36:17] Keith: Said.
[36:22] Keith: I can imagine. It's in that area that waxers get the most complaints and so some might be a little gunshy.
[36:30] Mike: Possibly I mean I think in this case, it's just ah, the ones that I've seen it was the waxer was just said oh I Just don't do that and then the wax he's like well now what because I'm I It is apparently.
[36:39] Keith: It's sort of a a weird red line. You know you're you're already doing the outer labia and maybe the asshole but you're like you know what? I just I'm not getting inside the fold.
[36:47] Mike: Right now. Apparently apparently the ah the sort of pyramid of cost and not complexity but sort of like as you go up the gradient of difficulty. It's kind of the the pubic mound is like that everybody does that but the labia.
[37:03] Keith: Yeah, of course. Yeah.
[37:05] Mike: Lab is the next level and then the anus area is the highest level. So like there are a lot of beat waxers that will not do the anus area apparently but I'm not that there's a thing about smell but go ahead or I believe that's related to the poop that I want to come to. Okay well.
[37:18] Keith: I Don't encounter anus hair very often I Wonder how many women are I kind of I mean I am obsessed with skin as you know and so like I don't ah okay.
[37:23] Mike: Are you looking for it.
[37:28] Mike: So if you have a woman in the dogie style position you're like do you have like a jewelers' loop you put on to sort of.
[37:36] Keith: I Kind of tried not to you know, forensically check. But I I passively can't help myself.
[37:43] Mike: Um, I think you I I want to buy you an Apple vision pro to use while you're fucking. So then you can want know just so you can you see you can then have well that too. But then you can have what I wonder because you know I'm really intrigued by this device.
[37:49] Keith: See where my like where my eyes go.
[38:00] Mike: Want to get back to thissec. But I'm really intrigued by this device because you know you're not seeing the real world. You're seeing the word world through a screen and I just think that's really interesting because it's like there's some philosophical implications there like you're not. It's adding a layer of indirection between you but you but it's it's fast enough that you can like play ping pong with it.
[38:05] Keith: Yes.
[38:13] Keith: Yeah, yes, what is the latency. Do you know? is it like ten milliseconds
[38:18] Mike: And then it's like wow so you don't but it but in some ways that's something like that. Yeah, it's tens of milliseconds it's so low that you can you can do fast Twitch things you probably can play video games through it maybe not Mike Tyson's punch out but you can play fast with you. Well, that's Mike Guys's punch out is well known to be like the lowest latency game.
[38:35] Keith: I am still shocked that you were able to be pet game as a child I I was not and I used to be like oh no one could and now that I know that you could I'm embarrassed by that.
[38:38] Mike: Difficult difficult.
[38:46] Mike: Yeah, it's but you realize you have to do it on a Cr T screen like it can't if you put it on a computer. It's impossible like and this is a well-known I mean yeah that I can't explain. Yeah, you just sucked. Ah, but.
[38:50] Keith: Yeah, but I had a CRT screen in when I was 9 or whatever. Yeah, that's what I'm facing anyway. Go on.
[38:59] Mike: But anyway I wonder so if you were fucking while using an Apple vision pro. You would actually be watching a porn. Ah you be what now. Maybe you say look my brain can't tell the difference. What does it matter. But it's still kind of interesting to me that you are watching. Yeah, you're watching this woman. You're having sex with risk. Yeah, there's something kind of fun there anyway.
[39:07] Keith: I Might see what you're saying Yes I'm watching a time delayed of video representation.
[39:17] Mike: Okay, what this? what the what? this.
[39:19] Keith: And I could photoshop out the ah asshole hair or I could ask the Ai to remove the asshole hair in real time.
[39:22] Mike: See This is what I'm talking about you could have slight modifications to the environment that you wouldn't even necessarily notice as long as they were synced up like yes, like well her breasts could be made bigger as long as like when you know if but when they touch them. It could like.
[39:30] Keith: Right? As long as I don't get my hand up in there as long as you don't touch them.
[39:40] Mike: I Think it could be clever about that. So it puts it puts your hand in there. Well when you move your hand when you move your hand to touch a woman's breast while having sex you you have tactile feedback and visual feedback and as long as like he was clever about how it.
[39:41] Keith: Um, you don't think it would be discordant like holding some like tidy breast a bed seeing this these huge jugs.
[39:52] Keith: Yeah, you're right? It could break down for certain kinds of grips. But but yeah, yeah I see what you're saying.
[39:56] Mike: Showed you the visual feedback I think maybe it could fool you Yeah, it just has to put the nipple in the right place. Not that kind of stuff. Um, okay so this woman what her claim was is that when waxing women sometimes the sort of lower part of the labia when you so.
[40:14] Keith: Towards the anus. Yeah.
[40:15] Mike: Bread it anus when you spread that area and this is a quote from her. She said sometimes an an eye watering. Yeah, an eye watering smell sometimes comes out which was that was notable to be eye watering.
[40:22] Keith: I Know where this is going. Do do we have to damn it's ah is it because ah.
[40:35] Mike: Um, I'm going to assume it's sort of so.
[40:36] Keith: Ah I mean all listeners listeners. You know if you want to skip the grows out section feel free to to skip ahead here but is it is It is it fecal matter or is it like discharge accumulates and sweat or or what I'd say.
[40:44] Mike: Ah I don't think so it's that it's yeah her the strong implication was it was urine and discharge and that it's basically that area correct right? But think about that think about what you just said Sweep swipe.
[40:50] Keith: Because women know to swipe front to back when they wipe themselves right? So that there's no chance of getting fecal matter in their vagina.
[41:01] Mike: Wiping front to back is going to sort of naturally accumulate stuff in this kind of lower more anal oriented region of the vagina and I think's and then I think the point is the labia gets stuck together there and women may not shower. They may not kind of get that area clean when they shower and then now you've got like weak old funk in there that that her waxer.
[41:17] Keith: Eye watering. Oh man, Oh okay, okay yep, it's rough. No and now now of course.
[41:20] Mike: Yeah, that the waxer and the waxer of course has to be sort of pulling everything apart to get to to yank on the hair that's rough right? and have you have you encountered this in your amorous life. Okay, it also I mean.
[41:37] Keith: I mean I'm really sensitive to to smell and like smoothness and like these kinds of things and and I wish I weren't I wish I were.
[41:43] Mike: Um, to be fair that that anal more. Ah, it's not anterior Posterior Zone of the the vulva is where you're the more of an action zone for the penis right? because that's you to get kind of lower there to actually get to the the hole as it were and so this is an area you would have to.
[41:57] Keith: Yeah.
[42:02] Keith: Yeah, but what your penis is in. It's sort of blocking that area unless you're having sex upside down.
[42:03] Mike: Interact with while having sex. But that's right, That's right, That's right, but you would have Yeah, it's an area that you can't avoid I'm a little surprised Actually that's it's interesting that suggests that women have better hygiene for sex with a man or a date and maybe this isn't surprising than they would with a waxer. Gosh I feel like it should be equal or maybe even I feel it should be equal women should have the same hygiene for a waxer as they do for a date I think ah, it's sort sort of like brushing your teeth before going to the dentist.
[42:29] Keith: Yeah I mean is it really that yeah is it really that hard to take a shower and and you know spread your labia and swipe around with some soap.
[42:38] Mike: If I was getting my penis waxed or my general area I definitely would in my a my anus I would I would be I would I would like be very clean I would be very clean because it's because it's it.
[42:43] Keith: Oh for sure. Yeah, just as I do before a date. But yeah, if I was getting something surgically done I would probably be even more thorough. What do you mean by thoroughly.
[42:52] Mike: Do you clean your anus thoroughly before a date I don't know you just said just as I would before a date so I was trying to like double click on that. Okay, okay, your anus is normal clean before a date. No okay, well this gets back to that thing of the.
[43:01] Keith: I wasn't thinking about my anus I was thinking about like under my scrotum and you know? Yeah yeah.
[43:12] Mike: The the original question here which is the woman I mean on some level you could imagine expecting women before a date to do an enema or something.
[43:20] Keith: Well yeah, this is where I thought this was going to go and we can. We can move on to the next topic. But yeah I was thinking about like what should a woman who likes light anal play. So we're not talking about like full-on anal sex. But you know she likes having maybe she likes.
[43:22] Mike: Um, yeah.
[43:39] Keith: Having a rim job or maybe she likes you know somebody. Yeah, you know inserting a finger up to a knuckle or so like what sorts of preparation should she be doing and if she's having sex with her partner. You know four or five days a week. She have to like just permanently modify her diet and you know pooping schedule to accommodate this kind of habit or is this just a foul that happens like once every every 10 sexual encounters or like yeah like what's normal here.
[44:10] Mike: Um, you've you've told me that you've told me that from talking with ah gay friends about this that there is actually some kind of a diet thing that gay men do.
[44:15] Keith: Yeah men gay men like get can get like an attachment for their bathtubbard or shower to give themselves basically an amateur enema but they're having anal sex and like that's that's a bit more violent and so it.
[44:31] Mike: Are there professional animus an amateur as our most okay fine just to like ah a kind of a a kind of a quick quick and quick and dirty so to speak andma that makes sense. Ah, but yeah I mean I think that a woman. Well I mean the other thing I can imagine is a woman having like ah some masking tape or something she sticks over her anus.
[44:34] Keith: I Don't know who fair point.
[44:48] Mike: When she knows there's a poop in the Chamber just to tell him she's just like look there's brown masking tape there or like a be like a butt plug kind of deal.
[44:58] Keith: Right? Yeah, okay, um, can we can we move on please. Okay all right this one's short and sweet got invited to a threesome but I'm chubby I've had 3 sims before but with girls more my size I got invited to 1
[45:01] Mike: Um, yeah, yeah, let's do it.
[45:13] Keith: But the girl is thin and has a pretty body and it makes me feel very self-conscious about mine feel like I will be huge for them or something I do. Yep.
[45:17] Mike: Wait wait you can I can I stop you for saying when somebody's when a woman this is a woman I take it says they're chubby what b m I do you think that means so b I let's just listen to the listeners know Bmi like 18 to 25 is good. Ah probably ideal is 18 to 22
[45:34] Keith: Yeah.
[45:36] Mike: Ah, for like health and longevity and stuff twenty five thirty overweight 30 to 35 obese so now go ahead I'll go first if you want.
[45:43] Keith: Yeah I mean it's high people who self-identify as fat which chubby is a euphemism for ah are fat.
[45:50] Mike: Yes, yeah, my thought would be my thought would be 30 I'm thinking 30 so the bump boundary of a away and obese is what I if I hear chubby. That's what I think bb w I'm thinking 35 or 40
[45:58] Keith: In general in general.
[46:06] Keith: Yeah, she didn't say obese and so I bet she's not um, yeah.
[46:08] Mike: I know that's why I went boundary boundary of a overweight and obese but over like if if a woman is like at 27 that could just be so that's so overweight but that could actually just be see to me that might be chubby but that's not what she means.
[46:23] Keith: Now likely not right I do want to do it though. But I always feel insecure about my roles for stretchmarks any advice that we're going to get. It's so much trouble for fat shoot me Mike.
[46:25] Mike: She's got those extra 3 points on her anyway, go on.
[46:33] Mike: Roles. Ah all right? I'm sorry for stopping you before that roles implies. Actually she's obese.
[46:42] Keith: Um, the reason why I brought this up is I want to read the first few comments again. Ah this person says I think they invited you for reason and the reason is that they like your body if you experience something awful from those people maybe refrain from joining ah, and if the situation dictates. Otherwise I think you're good. Ah, somebody says they wouldn't have invited you if they don't find you attractive op somebody says they invited you. They obviously want you there another person I agree with everyone they ask you to join and I think that means they are attracted to you another person if they have invited you it means they already find you attractive and find your personality conducive to the dynamic. Okay. I think all of these people are basically gaslighting this woman I think she was invited by them. But I don't know did I don't even know if it's important.
[47:22] Mike: Yeah, wait what what are what are the genders of the people that invite her I'm sorry it's aunt male and a female it matters a little because if it's 2 females then that could ah create a different dynamic but okay fine. She's been invited. Yeah, that's probably right.
[47:36] Keith: I I presume it's It's a man and a woman. Ah, ah she says the girl so that implies that the other person's man. Yeah, she says I got invited to one but the girl is thin and has pretty body. Um I think.
[47:39] Mike: Okay, yes, singular right.
[47:51] Mike: Um, this is I mean yeah, go ahead.
[47:53] Keith: I Think it's possible that these people I think it's possible that these that that something will happen that will make her feel very badly about her body and I think pretending that that's not the case and that everything say okay here and that she's she's silly for feeling any shame about it.
[48:03] Mike: That's exactly what I was going to say yep.
[48:12] Keith: I Think that's going to make what has a fairly high chance of of actually happening here even worse.
[48:16] Mike: Yeah I think that I think if I had to guess in this type of situation I would guess that she's kind of a low hanging fruit. You know she's she's less attractive more overweight. So maybe they maybe the guy thought oh she'll say yes and the and and then and he he wants to have sex with another woman but he.
[48:29] Keith: Right.
[48:35] Mike: Something's going to happen that's going to make her feel because it's he's not she's not their first choice right.
[48:40] Keith: Yeah, yeah, we we only have the information we have here. But ah, who knows how the invite came who knows why the invite came but I'd suspect that it like you said this this could not may not have been their first choice and then yeah, like once the clothes come off I worry. That somebody will say or do something like ignore her or something might happen that will give her even more shame about her body. And yeah I Just think that the like all these people pretending like that would never happen are ah basically creating a situation here where.
[49:04] Mike: Right.
[49:15] Mike: Um, have you I lose weight.
[49:16] Keith: She's going to feel Worse. Um I think I think better advice would be well. Ah, ah so obviously that's the best device here. Um, but something like you know, ah you you are a little bit heavier. Um, these people did invite you if. You have enough confidence to to go in there and feel like you're sexy self and go ahead and do it. But if you're going to go in there saddled with all this insecurity then maybe this isn't the best thing for you to do like I think that would be much better advice.
[49:48] Mike: Yes, Yes I Ah I think I Also think that the pain that she's likely to experience is much more likely to come from the man than the woman and I'm not sure how to what what to communicate about that exactly but that but that would be an important thing to understand like. If. She just interacts with the woman. She'll probably be Fine. It's the guy that's going to do something like have sex with her and then just kind of ignore her or something it could be just something non verbal like that that happens it'll be tough I was going to ask you have you seen these things about ah wagovi and whatever the other one is these weight loss. Yeah now like causing.
[50:06] Keith: Yeah, right right.
[50:20] Keith: A Zempick.
[50:25] Mike: Masses and people's intestines and stuff like that.
[50:29] Keith: I am a bit hesitant to believe any of the like anti. What do they call glp 1 inhibitors um stuff just because.
[50:32] Mike: All right. Sure.
[50:47] Keith: Okay, it is hard to have a better medical intervention than losing weight. Um, and so whatever downside thing comes up and we talked about this extensively off air like needs to be pretty bad to be worse than um, being being overweight.
[50:50] Mike: True.
[51:05] Keith: Um I have. Ah yeah I've seen some Clickba headlines about this. What's the what's the do you if like the tldr. Yeah I think there's a there's a well probably.
[51:08] Mike: Yeah, okay I don't I think I Also I think I too saw clickbaity stuff and thought oh here here it comes because you figure there's There's always a downside.
[51:24] Mike: Um, look.
[51:24] Keith: I Mean there's there's lots of medicines that like are very good like you know statins and um.
[51:27] Mike: Look I saw a video yesterday of Paul Mccartney and Ringo Star in London are for Paris rather going to do some sort of performance. Those dudes are like 83 and Paul Mccarty's been a vegetarian since like the 70 s he's thin like.
[51:38] Keith: Ah, yeah.
[51:42] Keith: It? yeah.
[51:44] Mike: There's a reason why those guys are able to do stuff still like people should pay attention I mean fine if you want to dig a drug but like maybe maybe just eat better and exercise. But okay, yeah, rough life is rough man.
[51:57] Keith: It's ah I think whenever people live different experiences I have some biases here but I'll keep up to myself.
[52:05] Mike: Um, anyhow I yeah that would yeah yeah, no I mean the the woman I mean I Just it's it would be so difficult to be sort of feel victimized by being overweight like that I think that.
[52:18] Mike: And you know I know a lot of it's the mental thing of like I'm doing this to myself and that must be really hard I've been overweight. It sucks. Yeah anyway.
[52:21] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right? Yeah I just wanted to bring that up because yeah, the subred it's trying to be like woke and inclusive and helpful there. But I feel like it's doing the opposite all right we have time for one more.
[52:32] Mike: Um, yeah, the f.
[52:38] Keith: Ah, this person says are men supposed to do most or all of the work during sex I'm in my twenty s and I've been sexually active for about a year with a few partners every single time I've had to do the majority of the work and I'm getting tired of it nearly all of the 4 plays oral is focused on my partner and then the actual sex part is nearly always me on top doing all the thrusting and moving. I've had ah friends with benefits for a while and I mentioned this to her. She just said. That's how sex is you're the guy you're supposed to do the work is she right? Yeah I agree I've read posts on the subreddit and it does seem as if men do most of the work and women just like to receive and this depresses me because I want sex be equal, not something where I'm basically used as another toy to get my partners off.
[53:02] Mike: That's right.
[53:15] Mike: What? okay.
[53:16] Keith: Afterwards I just feel used and discarded. Yeah a few more sentences here I brought this up because this is not my experience. Don't get me wrong I Love going down on girls and fucking them does feel good. But maybe I have some submissive tendencies because sometimes I want a girl to fuck me back or push me down on the bed and have her way with me. Just give me oral and focus on my body with no expectation of reciprocation occasionally but none of the women I've been with have even considered doing this even after I've politely asked them but I wouldn't want a girl to do something she doesn't want to do Anyway. So is this just how sex is our woman who put in equal effort Rare. So I.
[53:43] Mike: Ah huh.
[53:52] Keith: Disagree with his analysis that women aren't putting in effort I mean I think I mean in terms of like calories expended. Maybe but yeah like sex in general is an act that a man does to a woman. And he seems to not like that setup.
[54:16] Mike: Yes, ah the the um this reminds me I don't want to get into the weird emails we get in our inbox but there was this guy who emailed us a couple weeks ago about when I was in Europe about ah giving us a list of acts.
[54:31] Keith: Oh yeah, did you respond to that guy which was the most gay it Wast if it was such a detailed email.
[54:31] Mike: To have us rank them based on which was the most gay. Yeah, so it's anyway, no, of course not right? But so what he was trying to do this is why I want to give him a little bit of time of day here is he was trying to look there are people who are upset at us. For not being huge advocates of pegging by the way I was I had to explain to people in Europe what the word pegging meant it was in France but still like they'd never they don't french people don't have a word for this Ah well these people didn't ah yeah, they don't they didn't maybe french people do in general in any event.
[54:51] Keith: Pride.
[54:59] Keith: Right.
[55:09] Mike: Ah, he was trying to argue that pegging is not gay like people. There's this group of people that listen to us that want pegging to be less gay than it is but but here's a guy where like maybe I mean my first thought in hearing about this guy in this question is you know he probably really, he would probably really enjoy going to like a bathhouse and like.
[55:26] Keith: Um, yeah.
[55:27] Mike: Giving a guy a blow or something like maybe maybe there's some behavior that should be like normalized for a guy like this like I don't really, it's hard for me to get into his headspace. But I mean like okay so he wants the thing is no woman's going to do that. No woman is going to like take you in the way he wants to be take take it.
[55:41] Keith: I Mean there are there are doms but they are rare and I'm I'm very suspicious of women who claim their doms I think they like feeling empowered but it's not necessarily sexually arousing to them.
[55:49] Mike: They're going to be simulating for the most part of my opinion. Yeah, right.
[55:59] Mike: Um, yeah I feel this way. But right.
[56:00] Keith: Like if you could get if you could get truth serum into them and get them into into their most private thoughts. They'd be like you know what? I still like it when a man fucks me but you know maybe I'm maybe I'm blind I don't know.
[56:08] Mike: Um, yeah I I feel this way about pegging you I like I think if you really want to have a genuine experience of being dominated I think you're just going to have to be um, become bisexual here like I like that this is the thing. Yeah, this is the.
[56:19] Keith: But that's certainly the easiest way.
[56:24] Mike: I Think it might be the only way this is this is the thing. It's like ok ah I understand what you want This is why you get what you want if you can say oh I'm going to have a woman to peg me but the thing about is she's not getting any pleasure out of that she doesn't orgasm from it. There's no wild abandon on her side. She's doing this thing to Pull. Kind of placate you like oh I'm doing this thing to him. There may be some women that get some psychological satisfaction out of it but they might also be simulating the place I know somebody would do it and like it is a guy who's gay I I assume I assume that like dominant gay men like fucking guy's mouths or whatever and so then yeah.
[56:47] Keith: All right.
[57:00] Mike: You're getting that like you're being dominated and it's going to be what you want and I just think that's why you wind up bisexual if you're going down this road like you you may actually now we're going to get another spate of emails but you you ah.
[57:06] Keith: Um, yeah.
[57:12] Mike: You may just be bisexual or gay here because it's like what what you actually want is that you want somebody who wants to do this to you and like that's a guy like you're describing a man which is fine which is fine by the whole like it's like look there you can.
[57:19] Keith: Yeah.
[57:24] Keith: Right? I'm sure if I go through the comments there nobody will have said that that's that's the frustrating thing like yeah like I feel like that advice would be useful to him and the hearing him argue it back would be would be illuminating for us and for him.
[57:41] Mike: Yeah.
[57:45] Keith: Um, because but yeah like I'm sure the comments are all let's see here just find a dominant woman. Ah.
[57:50] Mike: Right? You're just not getting it when when ever put you in the um, what's that position called where they where you you have your legs behind your head. Oh god yeah, it's like a Greek god or something I can't remember the name of the position. But yeah.
[58:00] Keith: How I can't remember Yeah, we talked about this a few episodes back.
[58:09] Mike: Yeah I mean basically they're positions that the man can go in she can be on top. There's these sorts of things but like it's not yeah, it's not. It's not going to. It's not really going to get you where you want to be here in my opinion.
[58:20] Keith: Yeah, yeah, the comments are predictable I'm a 52 year old man I've had plenty of partners over the years and have had the opportunity to experience sex with women across the spectrum from very submissive and unconfident through to extremely confident and then on to dominant.
[58:36] Mike: It's the Amazon position by the way. Yeah ok fine I mean you can yes, you can you can find somebody who I do I just think that yes they can be more dominant that's true. But I just think it's worth considering like you're on some spectrum here and like I think if I felt this way look I mean.
[58:38] Keith: That's it.
[58:52] Mike: Giving a guy a blow is fairly low sdi risk actually's quite low and can be done in an environment that's pretty safe and like you might find that gets that gets that gets you where you need to be and I think like I know this from back when this stuff was allowed on Craigslist I think I used to comment to you about this Keith like.
[59:09] Keith: You did. There's more people willing to give blowjobs than want to receive them.
[59:11] Mike: Yeah, like there's a there's a lot of dudes out there that are looking to give a blow to a gay guy. So I mean there must be some like dominant gay guys. My guess is actually that what happens is unfortunately then they become selective and so if you're an unattractive man maybe chubby. Who wants to give a blow. You may have trouble because I suspect. There's so many men wanting this I have no insight into this but I I suspect if you would like the bathhouse or something you actually might not be able and that's why you get things like glory holes because you have like the weird guy back there. That's kind of ugly and so forth.
[59:35] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[59:48] Keith: Ah, yeah, okay.
[59:51] Mike: And and then it's like what you know who? what guys or even use. Yeah, you get sort of sort of a race to the bottom on attractiveness. Um.
[59:57] Keith: I Suspect that's all correct I Yeah and yeah I just my intuition before we started. This podcast was not that preferences on.
[01:00:02] Mike: Um, yeah.
[01:00:16] Keith: Submissiveness and dominance correlated with sexuality because the sort of you know mainstream woke point of view. There is that those 2 things are completely uncorrelated. They're orthogonal to each other and but yeah, like as you move.
[01:00:27] Mike: Yeah.
[01:00:33] Keith: Towards certain ends on the ah you know the and the anal play and submission spectrums as a man I think the correlation and causality may be.
[01:00:49] Mike: Well, it's it's different. But yeah, they're definitely not perfectly correlated and an example of that is there's this website I've mentioned before where ah people post. It's like grinder where people post um ah like hey I'm having a party at my house.
[01:00:50] Keith: At least non-zero.
[01:01:06] Mike: And basically people are just going to come and fuck me well they and this is a guy right? They get a bunch of people a bunch of takers. So these are a bunch of tops or whatever you know, kind of dominant guy. So these are guys where it's like they're being dominant but they still want to fuck a guy. So obviously that's a thing I Just think like if you want to submit to someone like.
[01:01:06] Keith: Great.
[01:01:17] Keith: Yeah.
[01:01:25] Mike: You're a guy is going to be more compelling like that's what I think that's where I would wind up if I were in that cohort like well I'm going to try this and I just think there's a taboo around it actually guys don't want to try it because they're like afraid and it's like well I but I think this is actually what would. Scratch that itch and you'd be happier. Yeah.
[01:01:44] Keith: I don't yeah I guess I don't have that itch So I don't know I don't have to agonize about how to scratch it in a non homosexual way.
[01:01:48] Mike: Right? Yeah I or I know that like right? Whatever itch I have I'd be like yeah I know that would be worse or something like I'd be like well that. Would make my love my life worse. But if you're like going around posting on Reddit about how do I get dominance from a woman. It's like well I think you may be up there.
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Episode 164: Religious Insemination, Chubby Threesomes, Working For Sex, Dirty Fingering, Is He Gay?

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