Your Mileage May Vary: A Misplaced Prostate, Gagging During Cunnilingus, Refusal to Touch It, Short Refractory Periods, What's More Gay?

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[00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial but mostly in good faith. We have our usual provocative list of topics to cover today including how much variance is there in vagina taste a man who wants to like pegging but just can't. Another man who refuses to touch his wife's vulva and more. But before we get into that I would like to personally apologize for Mike's flubbing up of the audio from last week's episode Mike what do you have to say for yourself.
[00:20] Mike: Um, Journey move.
[00:26] Mike: Oh fuck off? Yeah well our our podcast hosting provider who will remain unnamed did a bad job syncing up the audio I didn't notice it before posting it and then fixed it like 24 hours later and so of course.
[00:35] Keith: Oh.
[00:45] Mike: And episode is now in high quality high definition as usual, but yeah, it was it was desynced by like a half a second.
[00:49] Keith: I found it intolerable to listen to and noticed it immediately.
[00:53] Mike: Okay, you you the point being that I should have noticed immediately before posting it this just shows that I should listen to the episodes before I post them.
[01:01] Keith: Mm yeah well, you're doing 98% of the work there. So I can't complain too much. Um.
[01:08] Mike: Right? Ah Keith Keith you you said there's something interesting. You've been doing the last three days
[01:15] Keith: It's interesting because it's so pathetic. Um, so I got back from my marathon and I'd I'd been running but it felt like I was approaching some sort of possible like the wheels coming off.
[01:19] Mike: Toka.
[01:32] Keith: Because I've been you know training for so long and obsessing about running and after the marathon you get they call this like post marathon blues anyway, three days ago I downloaded this video game that I'd been meaning to try and I'd logged I logged onto it this morning. And it tells you how long you've played and I guess I can look right now because I think it's been basically 72 hours since I first because I started playing it three days ago. Ah.
[01:51] Mike: So okay.
[02:08] Keith: This afternoon and yeah, so my total time played is 44 hours over the last 72 hours
[02:18] Mike: Um, I think that so there's a do you listen to the huberman podcast I realize that Huberman has gotten me tooed or well sort of some women that he I read on social media that some women that he was dating.
[02:22] Keith: So ah.
[02:28] Keith: He did.
[02:37] Mike: Compared notes and found that he was like telling 1 of them that he was sick when he was fucking the other one like it was multiple women sort of doing that with ah now a friend said to me oh that's just what guys do fair enough but like he's been sort of caught out in a way anyway, Huberman had a piece about how like.
[02:45] Keith: I mean right.
[02:56] Mike: Engaging in some sort of like super dopamine activity like that an addictive activity can actually make things worse because um, your brain eventually is like hey I'm getting too stimulated and actually downregulates so you can actually get more bummed out if you immediately jump into a dopamine filled activity.
[03:10] Keith: Huh. I see yeah I I don't I don't know there was another part of the patheticness I wanted to mention which is a couple days before my marathon I weighed £149 and this morning. I weighed one hundred and sixty four pounds in two weeks basically I think seventeen days now obviously I couldn't have consumed a calorie surplus of that magnitude. But.
[03:32] Mike: That's impressive so you've gained £15 in a few days huh. Ah.
[03:47] Keith: I think I was yeah basically yeah I think well I've been drinking a lot too and so I think that just makes you puffy in general.
[03:55] Mike: Do you think some of that could be fluid stored in your prostate.
[04:02] Keith: Um I don't think fluid is stored. It's.
[04:03] Mike: Oh sure it is. It's pretty. You know you ejaculate fluid like maybe you haven't nutted frequently enough so you're just getting this sort of heavy elven Elephant titic prostate. Okay, you've been blowing plenty of loads.
[04:08] Keith: Ah, that is that's not the case though who I have yeah I finally showered today so that was.
[04:20] Mike: Yeah I don't know it's probably just what does that mean.
[04:26] Keith: What that implies there were day or days that I hadn't I don't really want to get into specifics.
[04:31] Mike: Oh got it? Okay well I've spent my day today consuming handfuls of benzodiazepines. So we're on the same page. Um, yeah, we're just.
[04:41] Keith: Think things are going well for the the host of the your mileage may very butff cast don't be like us. Ah, ah, friends at home right.
[04:46] Mike: We're just doing really well here. Yeah, get out and get out and live your lives. Okay, so we have this email from a couple weeks ago that we kind of weren't going to a month actually ago this guy basically is incensed I think it is for for saying that pegging. Is gay adjacent. Um and he wanted to give us a set a set of situations and ask us which is more gay and he really put a lot of time into this. So I think we should at least give him the given him. Yeah, yeah.
[05:16] Keith: I okay could we set this up a bit further because I actually had something I guess tangential to this but it's predicated on you have this theory that I think goes against the modern. Ah. Sexual awakening Zeitgeist which is the modern zeitgeist would say people who are sex positive would say enjoying anal play or thinking about anal play a lot as a man is completely. Unrelated to whether or not, you're gay and you feel you feel differently.
[05:54] Mike: Right? I do feel differently because I think once you I think it's a once a man tries to invert the dominance Paradigm. Ah I think that the ultimate way to do that is just to have a guy fuck you. And I think that's the direction they're going and I think these are typically people who would look if I enjoyed Pegging. This is just the truth if I enjoyed pegging if if if I enjoyed it not I'm controlled into it. Not oh fine I'll do it so that you'll give me a blowjob nothing like that I enjoy it I'm asking for it. I Have to think that it would be even better if the thing pegging me was a penis it could ejaculate in me and give the person fucking me pleasure right? That's got to be more exciting.
[06:33] Keith: I Mean if a Lesbian fucks herself with the dildo is she now straight.
[06:38] Mike: I Think they should ask themselves that I mean maybe not that but certainly once they move up to strap on Dildo I think it's like.
[06:41] Keith: I got it? Okay, so you're being consistent at least.
[06:54] Mike: Strap on Dildos I know are somewhat controversial in Lesbian communities For this reason.
[06:56] Keith: Okay, so so the thing that you think nudges you in the direction controlling your sexuality is whether or not you're dominant or submissive and what sex you are.
[07:10] Mike: I Think it's important I think it plays a plays a factor correct.
[07:14] Keith: Okay, it's a non 0 consideration all right? So that's what you think and in that context you think this email or ah, yeah.
[07:25] Mike: He takes issue with us he e once he's trying to understand what we consider to be gay or feminine. He sent this by the way at five zero five a M ah so so he he got up really early. It could be could be I can't tell and I don't know what day of the week it was either.
[07:33] Keith: Well baby is in a different time zone.
[07:41] Keith: What? what? Ah, what's the subject of this email So I can find it in our.
[07:41] Mike: Um.
[07:46] Mike: Dancing dancing versus pegging versus Keith I like that it's you not me. Okay, so let me let let me get into this a little bit. Okay, um, let's see.
[07:48] Keith: Now I remember this email now. Yep.
[07:58] Mike: All of the following acts are performed by a straight identifying man either in a relationship looking for a straight relationship or who never had another experience with a man until this. Okay here's the first situation. There is a straight man who's hanging out with his friends and is done watching the ncw tournament after drinking all day heads back to crash at displacement.
[08:08] Keith: Okay.
[08:16] Keith: Manly so far responsible.
[08:18] Mike: Heads back to crash his place because he's unable to drive ah then finds himself receiving oral sex from his friend presumably male. He then goes back to his wife in life. But it happens 3 other times never to be discussed between them again. So that situation one.
[08:34] Keith: It's oddly specific. Ah.
[08:37] Mike: Yeah situation, let me get okay so the same situation except this time they have a long passionate kiss session between the 2 men who caress each other excluding the private parts and they do it each time they hang out. The third one is they like to masturbate together while seated on the floor facing 1 another and don't touch.
[08:50] Keith: Ah.
[08:56] Mike: Ah, but time it so they can come at the same time on a black towel. Not sure what the towel has to be black all right next one is so so so to recap here we've got the guys gets a blow 3 times second one is they just kiss third one is they beat off onto a black towel.
[08:59] Keith: But also hardly specific. Okay.
[09:15] Mike: Fourth one is the 1 friend has a a full-s size real doll they get completely naked and have sex with the doll at the same time one with the mouth one them with the vagina or vagina and ass but come together trying to time it at the same time so they can so they can ejaculate on each their cocks final situation as nothing happens. But the friend goes home to his wife who pegs him once every 3 to 1 to three months okay which one of these is the most gay and which one is the least gay That's that's the challenge. Yes.
[09:33] Keith: Oh I see what he's doing here.
[09:43] Keith: I think okay so we have 5 total situations. Ah one is ah he watches the game with his buddies goes home. He's drunk but finds himself receiving oral sex from his friend.
[09:57] Mike: Yes.
[09:59] Keith: But this happens 3 other times. So there's a total of four blowjobs I guess I mean that's pretty gay I think receiving blowjobs from a man ah and presumably because he's done it 4 times like not once not twice. It's like.
[10:04] Mike: And.
[10:11] Mike: What about which is.
[10:19] Keith: Ah.
[10:19] Mike: Um, I think I think in all these situations. It's supposed to happen 4 times but look my okay so I think that oral sex is the most gay you're beating off onto the black towel cas this is really hard.
[10:22] Keith: Okay. What.
[10:34] Keith: I think kissing I think kissing is the most gay I think you can receive a blowjob I would rather receive a blowjob than Kiss a man.
[10:34] Mike: Maybe the Kiss is the second most gay. Maybe it's just got in an order. Yeah, you think that's the most gay. Okay.
[10:47] Mike: Would you rather give a blowjob than Kiss a man. Yeah I think I think I agreed with you on that. Okay, what about the beating off on the black towel.
[10:52] Keith: Ah, we've been through this before and the answer is maybe.
[10:57] Keith: It if he's if he's not coming then almost definitely and if he is coming I don't know it's that I know I know but the specifics are are pretty important and that they're at all important is sort of illuminating like that's how much I Really don't want to kiss a man.
[11:02] Mike: You know stuff comes out before he comes though. So like you're going to get. Yeah.
[11:12] Mike: Yeah, okay and the black towel I think I might have trouble coming.
[11:17] Keith: Ah, they don't touch they like to masturbate together while seated on the floor I don't know is that why? how do you masturbate while sitting on a floor facing 1 another and don't.
[11:28] Mike: Then it's not that hard.
[11:33] Keith: Touch but time it so they can come at the same time on a black towel so they're facing each other.
[11:37] Mike: I Don't think this has ever actually happened coming at the same time is clever because yeah, but the timing the coming is a little weird line chirk.
[11:43] Keith: Ah I mean that's like a 2 person circle jerk a line jerk. Ah do circle jerks not typically end in some sort of timing. Do.
[11:56] Mike: I Thought the way a circle drug worked was you had like a cookie in the middle whoever comes last has to eat it.
[12:03] Keith: Oh that sounds like a hazing thing. Ah Jesus Christ do you think you would be good at such a contest I think I would be very unaroused and stressed.
[12:06] Mike: Yeah, so you got to come as fast as possible but cut timing. Its you come together is tricky. Yeah no, no I.
[12:20] Keith: And that combination would be would be bad. Ah, what would you do to prepare for such a thing like not masturbate for a week and like before you go into the room like watch a ton of like really great porn So you're as close to ready to go and then hope that that can.
[12:23] Mike: It'd be hard to come.
[12:37] Keith: Overwhelm the negative emotions of a bunch of other dudes with their dicks out and the pressure of.
[12:39] Mike: Either that or I would get I would either do that or I would get 1 of those devices that eastern european porns have where like it fits in your hand and it just makes it look like a gallon of nut came out of your penis but it's just like a tube.
[12:49] Keith: Oh you would you would traded cheat of course always with the cheating. Okay, yeah, you could cheat with something that neutralizes the seamen Anyway, all right? so.
[12:55] Mike: I Don't want to have to eat the cookie.
[13:04] Mike: Right? right? You could come last? okay.
[13:09] Keith: Let's let's move on ah the same situation except yeah, that feels pretty gay. Um.
[13:15] Mike: I think okay, but let's get okay, let's get to the core of the question here is is is any one of these things less gay than being pegged one well every 3 to 1 to three months by your wife right.
[13:17] Keith: Like that's less gay than kissing though.
[13:28] Keith: Right? Because that's what he's really doing here. It's a sleight of hand right? He's trying to say things that like of course people would say that's pretty gay and then ah at the end he's like well what is it is it gay to like have your wife peg you.
[13:40] Mike: Right? So I think all of these things are are I think all of these things are gay are I think once you.
[13:43] Keith: I mean I and I appreciate I Appreciate Yeah I think so too. But importantly, your point is not that like getting pegged once makes you definitely Gay. It's just that you're you're. You're starting down the road. You've you've taken a you've dipped your toes into the water now I think I think he missed that that nuance.
[14:02] Mike: Correct right? That's the point. Okay, that nuance. Okay, can I ah can I interject here wait what's going on here I realize I haven't been introduced or anything but like I feel like there's a nuance being miss here. This is this is Eric I'm ah I'm guesting here what hi Eric open on podcast I was supposed to be a silent observer but I just have to say so Jesus all right jump in. Ah.
[14:28] Keith: All right? Let's hear it.
[14:34] Mike: It's I wouldn't say it's causally gay that being pegged by a wife but it's correlationally gay and I'm going to make the following metaphor if someone gets like falling down drunk at a bar. It doesn't make them an alcoholic like normal people can get an unhealthily drunk but it's more likely that they are an alcoholic. And if they have laden out if they are genetically an alcoholic doing stuff like that is going to ah possibly activate their latent alcoholism.
[15:02] Keith: Um I think Mike might say that's an imperfect analogy because the problem with getting pegged is it's establishing that you sort of like being submissive and and. He thinks there may be a causal link between being submissive and being homosexual as a man. So.
[15:27] Mike: Oh sure and like look drinking booze can have a causal ah impact on being an active alcoholic even though it's a genetic condition. You have to activate the genetic condition and if you have like tendencies I'm like this isn't like a totally black and white thing like sexuality system spectrum.
[15:30] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[15:37] Keith: Um, yeah.
[15:44] Mike: So like if you're sort of near the middle on that spectrum engaging in these sort of behaviors could like nudge you I think because that's what I will agree that that's the least gay of of the things and kissing another guy is clearly the gayest Eric now that we have you here how many of those things have you done zero zero point zero
[16:01] Keith: You have not done the the line jerk.
[16:03] Mike: Did you know I saw I saw a on um Craigslist on Craigslist a used female sex doll and it was like only discounted 30%
[16:18] Keith: That feels like the kind of thing that loses a lot more value as soon as it's off the lot.
[16:23] Mike: That's what I thought well isn't that basically what all women are wow on some level ah care to expand on that. Well I mean all women are used sexual products if they're not a virgin. So okay. I mean how much you people how much was you discount them. There's how much more would you pay for a virginge versus someone who's had sex with like 3 dudes 3 not very much not very much but it's but it's if it's 300 then I think that matter but you know this is just 1 guy and you can put this one in a dishwasher.
[16:45] Keith: It depends.
[16:56] Mike: Not sure you can but in a dishwasher because it's kind of big. No, they usually have ah don't they have pull out things pull it the vaginas you can pull it out and put it in there and that's interesting I'm know I'm not as familiar with them as you are I I've never had 1 but I I feel like I've read about this? okay.
[17:03] Keith: Is that true. Yeah.
[17:11] Keith: There was a sitcom I was watching where the premise was some guy was house sitting for someone and then he found the sex doll in the closet and it you know he goes a day without exploring it and then he finally pulls it Out. He can't stop himself and then he gets obsessed with it and the guy's house sitting for. Eventually comes home and sees that he's had his way with the sex doll.
[17:32] Mike: I mean think about it like this doesn't make sense right? like I agree that intuitively it seems grosser to use. Someone's used sex toy right? But objectively it's less gross like you're not going to get herpes from it. Yeah, the worry would be that you can't completely clean. It.
[17:50] Keith: Um I think I might be able to I think I might be able to intellectualize away that concern if I was in the market for a sex doll because they're expensive.
[17:52] Mike: Yeah, but objectively, that's just false.
[17:57] Mike: Um, ah yeah, here's a live adult sex stall but it's not coming up right now on the website. So I can't tell you it's how much is it this one's only five five hundred bucks it's pretty expensive wow to wait.
[18:10] Keith: Now I think sex dolls are often thousands sometimes tens.
[18:15] Mike: Well, this is a this is a used one is a used one. So um, okay.
[18:21] Keith: Um I had another thing to say about pegging. Ah, it's actually 1 of the Redit topics from this week and it's short slides. Let me read it really quick all right? So this is a man. He's 23 his wife's 25 so my wife pegged me last night and I didn't feel like I thought it would.
[18:30] Mike: Um, now yeah.
[18:37] Keith: So last night my wife pegged me I put a lot of prep into it. Good diet emptied to the shoot and wore butt plugs all day. But when it came down to it. It never pluraled butt plugs when it came down to it. It never felt good I wasn't getting off to it I never felt like she was hitting my gspo. It just felt like she was thrusting into a tunnel I'm disappointed.
[18:43] Mike: Um, huh.
[18:55] Keith: Anyone have any tips or tricks to make it feel better and I want to read the first comment here and then open it up. My husband and I are working on prostate play but he gets uncomfortable with the pressure and I need to pee feeling. The prostate is described as a walnut size. It can be easy to slide past. The item you're using isn't curved or angled properly. You have to try different toys in different positions to get the feeling that you enjoy most start with my finger and ask them when I find it then once I get a rhythm and remind myself of depth and location. We found the enjoy pure wand works well for both of us actually lots of communication. Once you guys figure out what best hits your prostate. You can then translate that knowledge to a toy and a harness for pegging this sounds like a lot of work. Ah agreed. But first you have to be like Marco Polo investigating inside.
[19:39] Mike: Um, well if it's a lot of pleasure. It's worth it.
[19:50] Keith: The cave right to find this walnut sized prostate. It's the prostate really at the size of a walnut I feel like I have more semen than the volume of a walnut.
[19:56] Mike: I Believe that? yeah yes because I know I know that in I saw a gay porn once where the guy who was receiving he sort of moaned my walnut so that is a real thing. Ah yeah I mean.
[20:10] Keith: That's that's great.
[20:13] Mike: Um, intruding like that into a female anus just feels a lot more compelling at least to a man than a man's anus man Zeus is seem sure. It's just that you want to right? You just want to violate women generally that's you just because it's like there. They're so prim and proper.
[20:19] Keith: But they don't even have a prostate to be vibrated with an enjoy pure wand right? You're imposing. It's dominant right.
[20:33] Mike: Yeah, can I Just say what I'm thinking. Yeah, which is who's driving this behavior. It's like they're trying this. There's most men don't have an impulse to do this. He's tried it. It hurts Why is he continuing like what's what's the goal here this like.
[20:42] Keith: Right.
[20:48] Keith: Right.
[20:50] Mike: I'm going to make an off color analogy here. It's like saying like hey I'm interested in getting into Anorexia but I find that when I stick my fingers down my throat. It doesn't feel good. Yeah, it's because you're not supposed to do that like what's what's the mountaintop they're aiming for here. Well the prostate stem is supposed to feel good.
[21:00] Keith: Yeah.
[21:05] Mike: You think but it doesn't but he's tried it. It doesn't you're saying do it, You're saying you think that biologically men are not supposed to have things jammed up their buttholes I Yeah I think that's ah I think it's a good prior to start from like I think it's a good bias to start from.
[21:16] Keith: So The reason I brought this up was if there are men who enjoy anal play and it doesn't have anything to do with their latent homosexuality then. There has to be a there there right? like and for this man at least it sounds like he's Done. He's done all this work to try to see if there's a nut at the end of the tunnel and he. Yeah, he hasn't found one Now. Maybe maybe he's less sensitive than the average man. Maybe they just haven't figured out how to hit his prostate properly. But ah, all the comments say you need to like find the prostate and then you need to use a vibrator or at least most people need to use a vibrator.
[22:09] Keith: That just sounds like I don't know.
[22:10] Mike: Um, I mean it seems possible that anatomically this only would work for some men. Also I mean I'm not sure. There's a strong reason This would be selected for sure but having it be pleasurable to stimulate it. There's It's not obvious to me. Why.
[22:17] Keith: Why I mean all men have prostates. Most men have prostates.
[22:28] Mike: All men would have that trait. It's not important to reproduction and so forth.
[22:31] Keith: Would it be some sort of vestigial consequence of evolution like at some point was did. We used to get fertilized through our buttholes I don't know.
[22:39] Mike: Possibly no, probably not that but there might be like you know, different kinds of tissue here and there it also might relate to the female response cycle and where various anatomy is on women and that being similar on a man and so there's something. I Mean they you know use the term G spot So He's like making some equivalents there I'm not sure I mean who knows what you're really stimulating or are you really stimulating the um prostrate or are you stimulating like the root of the penis because I mean the penis sort of has an internal part to it.
[23:11] Keith: Yeah I feel like I'm less sensitive on toward the base of my dick than I am toward the head at now I could try.
[23:19] Mike: I Think that's normal. You ever try masturbating just with like the bottom centimeter.
[23:28] Keith: But why? yeah.
[23:30] Mike: Yeah, be hard to get off. Yeah yeah I just feel like this is such a dumb question. It's like hey we're having problems with sex and they described this problemm like yeah, you're doing sex wrong if you want to have an orgasm but your penis and your wife's a vagina like it'll work a lot better like I Just don't understand the source I Just don't understand like they're.
[23:45] Keith: Right? If there was some you know pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. It might be worth doing the exploration I just I don't know I don't feel any compulsion and.
[23:50] Mike: Thinking here.
[23:58] Mike: Um, yeah.
[24:03] Keith: But maybe I'm just being naive or close minded or something. Maybe there's something amazing there.
[24:05] Mike: Um, I think you are Keith I think I think there is a pot of gold in there and the reason I believe that is having something I don't know but this table having spent significant time on sniffies.com grinder and so forth I know that there are gay men who pursue this activity exclusively. So why are they doing that.
[24:26] Keith: Um, well I what I want is to find a group of like really strongly heterosexual men that are doing this which I think it exists if the sex subreddit is to be believed.
[24:37] Mike: What will you do once you find this group of strongly heterosexual men doing this are.
[24:41] Keith: I Would ask them some questions to better explain why they think this is worth exploring.
[24:49] Mike: God I Assume it just feels good. Yeah no I can accept that it feels good for some men but this man clearly isn't in that group. So what's what's the motivation is that like hey I really want to be gay.
[25:05] Keith: I Don't know.
[25:06] Mike: And so I but I want to make this feel good or I really like being submissive and this is a way for me to do that like I'm not really, she just wants to climb that peak peak of Everest of sexual feeling. So just mindless exploration. Yeah.
[25:15] Keith: I Think he I think he believes there's something there. Yeah I I guess yes I don't know if it's mindless. He thinks there's something there based on I don't know rumors. Um.
[25:29] Mike: Okay.
[25:32] Keith: But I mean look we're going to get a bunch of emails from ah people who claim to be straight and love prostate play now. So these people exist? Well why are they 90% of our emailers though like that seems like.
[25:38] Mike: What we always do no and like I'm not saying that those people don't exist. They definitely exist.
[25:48] Mike: Well because they're activists. Yeah, they're activists. They're fetish listen but listen emotionally unhealthy people are are overrepresented in complainers.
[25:52] Keith: Well I think also.
[26:02] Mike: And if you're if you're if you have the impulse to write an email about that. You should think about the content of what I just said this is why I'm not on the podcast very often by the way. So Eric wasn't there. Some topic you wanted to argue with us about from last week oh yeah like three weeks ago you had some.
[26:06] Keith: Right.
[26:11] Keith: The fair. Oh yeah.
[26:21] Mike: This is the only episode I've ever had to fast forward through all right and it was Keith going on and on and on about the proper place to finish during sex during the first sexual and like you ever have an experience where you're like fast forwarding through something and you stop after 5 minutes and you're like Jesus they're still fucking talking about this. That was my experience listening to that and I just can't I don't understand that was a bad episode and shame on you and I don't understand what you're I over this is when you're having sex to the woman. The default is you ejaculate in her vagina like that's sort of the implicit bargain there all right.
[26:44] Keith: So hold on. But.
[26:56] Keith: Ah I'm excited to use this phrase. We can collectively bargain this shortly. But first I want to ah briefly ah defend myself about how long that segment was I feel like Mike was goading me on. And he really wanted to like cover all the possible different positions and is your recollection different Mike he's he's somewhat culpable here. Ah, and.
[27:16] Mike: Um, oh sure, you're yeah, no, you're you're complicit in that too. There were things I learned because I learned and people should I mean ah to tease the episode Keith likes to ejaculate in places that I've didn't think in ways and places that I didn't think guys did. And I was surprised by some of the information that I gained from that. So I mean there's there's a lot of possibilities things that I hadn't I didn't know about so people can go back and check that out.
[27:46] Keith: Yeah, So yeah, the premise was I don't I don't know in early sexual encounters whether the person I'm sleeping with is on birth control and so I would like as a. Man to orgasm inside of a woman's vagina. But if that hasn't been discussed I'm not sure I can just accept that. But you said something before we started recording here which I think is probably right? Do you remember it. It was you said you said that by letting her.
[28:20] Mike: Now I remember.
[28:25] Keith: By her letting me inside of her. It's implied. Yeah, that's probably right.
[28:26] Mike: Yeah, yeah, well, but you still don't I mean your concern Keith is that you don't have a hundred percent confidence that she's managing her birth control regiment properly and you don't know what will happen if she gets pregnant.
[28:42] Keith: Um, yeah, but yeah, not enough to put on a condom like I've gotten over that at least to some extent. Um.
[28:43] Mike: Well the answer there is you just wear a condom was in one. Yeah.
[28:59] Keith: And yeah, I mean this is basically a handbook for things not to do in early sexual encounters and I issued all of the appropriate. Ah, don't try this at home folks and I recognize this is bad and this doesn't happen often. But it does occasionally happen that like somebody will say like oh we don't need to use a condom. Perhaps we've discussed that. Um you know we've we've each taken a recent Sti test. So We know that we're clean so the only undiscussed thing is or the only unknown thing is. How diligent she is about her birth control.
[29:39] Mike: Right? Well and I want to add to the problem of over discussing the topic your solution. Your solution will be a condom. So right? there. Yeah, you were a condom or you pull out none on her tits like whatever well but what do you do? if she's in Dogie style back or whatever. And don't want to talk about you when you guys already talked about this too much. You would go on the back. But what do you think about some of you nuts under between her legs on her comforter that would make me angry if I were the person Well, that's what he does like you're just making you see you skipped over some good content. There.
[30:08] Keith: I Feel like I don't I think it's rude to come on their back.
[30:11] Mike: He nuts on the comfort. Do you at least Keith do at least put down a black towel.
[30:21] Keith: No, but if is that like a thing do I need is ah is that like a universally recognized big. Yeah.
[30:25] Mike: You're leaving protein stains I mean come on man I don't I don't know if it's universally recognized I think it's just this one listener at 5 a m thinking aboutels.
[30:33] Keith: I think that I think that okay we could move on but I just want to say 1 more thing I do think that most people would prefer to be nut on than to have like their comforter stained. It doesn't stain you could just rinse it out but to have their comforter sullied. Ah, but. If you haven't discussed that I think it you have like a bit of a conundrum there.
[30:53] Mike: Oh actually the other thing that I really wanted to say is the the answer real answer here. Is you just need to get a vasectomy Dude Why don't you have a physsecctomy like you're never having kids you talked about this like you you you're like the prime candidate for getting posectomy. There's no that makes no sense. You're having this anxiety over this.
[31:02] Keith: Yeah.
[31:09] Keith: I agree.
[31:13] Mike: You could just have a vasectomy in one of your testicles that would drop the odds in half. Well then you only have conservative children right? Get the left 1
[31:14] Keith: I Don't think no, that's not how that works.
[31:26] Keith: Um, no I don't want to get a vasecctomy because what if I meet someone who really wants to have a kid I think it's super unlock. Whatever you're just I The proper thing to say is you can actually Undo Vatectomies. Or I could store up a bunch of sperm.
[31:44] Mike: Or you going to break reality and realize that's never going to happen. Did.
[31:47] Keith: Or yeah concede that that is a 2% 1% probably less than one percent odds of occurring. No I do not then no the only for starters I'm 43
[31:54] Mike: You could if you did you're too old now like you don't want to be a new dad in your late 40 s it's that's a bad lifestyle choice.
[32:05] Keith: And there's some discussion about whether that's mid 40 s or early 40 s but I'm not late 40 s that's true and by the time that this child would be born I would be 44 at the at the youngest. Ah.
[32:06] Mike: Okay, I'm rounding up because you're not meeting this person tomorrow. Yes.
[32:19] Keith: No, the only possibility is that I meet the woman of my dreams and that would be a deal breaker for her but that seems vanishingly unlikely as you right right? And if that was a deal like imagining a woman for whom that is a deal breaker and and me being.
[32:25] Mike: Yes, you have so many bigger deal breakers That's unlikely to be the thing that matters. Yeah.
[32:39] Keith: Really really really into is I think it's possible but not likely.
[32:39] Mike: In. Yeah time to grow up Keith I mean I don't have a vaysectomy that's just because I never get laid right.
[32:53] Keith: Ah, fair enough. Um, Okay I Want to talk about this? Ah Ah so this person says my boyfriend gagged while going down on me as the title states my boyfriend gagged while going down on me. Feel so embarrassed I've always been really insecure about it and I washed thoroughly before I feel shattered I Just want to lay down and cry. It's not like I it's like I never want to have sex again. I don't smell down there. He said it tasted a bit sour at times and that it hit him the wrong way at that at the wrong time which made him gag. Feels so insecure and disgusting now I understand he can't help it but I just can't talk to him or talk about what happened he feels really sorry but it just doesn't help I was finally okay with trying it after months and it went well for a bit but now I just feel completely shattered. Does anyone maybe have any tips on how to taste better and or how to get over the intense feelings of Disgust and sadness. Thank you for anyone who replies I Just really need to feel more okay with what happened right Now. So She she gave us an update and this is what I thought was interesting about this.? Thank you so much for all your replies I've read every single one. And we're going to get some cranberry supplements treatments Ph Neutral wash and changing some things without Sex. We're all helpful and wonderful people. Thank you so much this ah cottage industry of convincing women that there's some suite of products that they can.
[34:15] Keith: Use to make their vagina more ready is absurd like it's already crazy that like there's this pink tax on deodorant and like face wash where like women pay 10 times as much. But now there's a ph balancing your vagina like this is getting. Out of hand. Ah, do you think it does anything.
[34:35] Mike: Um I think it's fine. No ah 1 thing that it made me think is you know there's a there's actually a decent industry of of gagging porn.
[34:49] Keith: Ah, aha.
[34:50] Mike: But the gagging porn is always a woman giving a blowjob. It's never a man giving oral to a woman and gagging. So maybe this could be like a new thing.
[34:53] Keith: Right? right? Maybe with maybe you can combine your your newfound love of massive clit porn and find somebody gagging on a woman's massive clit.
[35:06] Mike: That's not what they're gagging because of the smell or the taste not the massive clit.
[35:08] Keith: Yeah, you said it was sour the word I like when people describe it as tangy that that that really in 1 word describes.
[35:16] Mike: How did she know that he actually gagged did he tell her or did he like almost throw up I think that if somebody's physically gagging when they get close to your genitals. There's probably something actually wrong.
[35:22] Keith: Presumably she she heard it.
[35:28] Keith: Yeah.
[35:35] Mike: This could happen with a man I mean so there's like 3 kinds of gagging you know well 2 kinds I guess there's the gagging because of odor taste and then there's gagging because something's been shoved on your throat whether it's a penis or a very large clit. Um.
[35:46] Keith: Ah, angel man 4 10 says it's important to remember that there are many things that can cause a gag reflex smell is only one of them sometimes other elements of cunnilingus such as mild airway restriction and having a mouthful of flesh can trigger a gag reflex.
[36:02] Mike: Now.
[36:03] Keith: Lastly, remember that many people have very sensitive gag reflexes that can be triggered very easily. Ah yeah I agree that she even said that he said that it it tasted sour and that it hit him the wrong way at the wrong time like that.
[36:07] Mike: Seems much more likely that it's odor or flavor. Yeah, that's all it falls.
[36:21] Keith: The the book has closed on whether something else caused the gag It was the way she tasted.
[36:23] Mike: Yeah I just think that you know there's just like I'm not sure that I do not think that women need to buy special multiple more expensive products for this kind of stuff. But that being said I think there's probably some kind of learning that can happen around this and I mean I actually know. There are videos on Youtube there's a um, subreddit called Youtube pussy our slash Youtube pussy. Normally it's for like bikini waxes. It's basically as long as it's done in a professional context. You can show a vagina on Youtube ah, and there's probably something like that for washing too. And women could sort of get a tutorial and and wash it more aggressively or assertively.
[37:05] Keith: I would expect that women who have hairy assholes could have problems getting clean enough if they haven't showered I mean they're they're so close on women.
[37:14] Mike: Their vagina or their butthole. Right? right? Only a couple centimeters you think I'm not I Actually don't think it's very likely that it's feces that's contaminating the area here I think it's more likely urine.
[37:25] Keith: Mm.
[37:32] Keith: Or Ph balance.
[37:37] Mike: That's true I mean it could just be kind of a funk generally exercise underwear so on and so forth.
[37:41] Keith: I Had an experience a while back where I had eaten asparagus and you know as you know I'm somewhat new to my dabbling in enthusiastically receiving.
[37:48] Mike: Here.
[38:00] Keith: Blowjobs and so ah, this gal wanted to go down on me and I turned it down because I I had I had googled prior that Asparagus. Can affect semen taste as well.
[38:18] Mike: Well at a minimum you could have residue of urine in there that has the stuff in it. So yes.
[38:22] Keith: Yeah I think most of Semen's taste is not urine Residue and isn't that urine residue mostly removed by the blowjob itself. True.
[38:28] Mike: I think most of the year yes but she's still going to encounter it. So yeah I mean I think that's sort of reasonable I think there I think there's yeah I mean you could have. Spicy food curry food. You can you can taste in these areas and I think a lot of times it's in the urine. Yeah.
[38:49] Keith: Do you have you had partners complain about asparagus or curry in your semen with would they have Okay, yeah, okay, all right? So that's a no up there.
[38:55] Mike: I Have not no, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. No probably not.
[39:08] Keith: Um, yeah, all right? Um I Want to talk about this. Um, this person whose husband has never touched her vagina with his hands posting because I'm wondering if any other men are like this and if they can give perspective about why they feel that Way. Husband has never touched my vagina with his Hands. He's touched through my underwear before but not ever touched it directly and definitely not his mouth either. The only part of him that has ever touched. My Vagina is his penis when we have sex now don't get me Wrong. He loves sex with me and I Also enjoy it with him although I don't orgasm Shocked. He's never been able to make me orgasm he tried before but it didn't work. So Now we don't even try how do you even try to orgasm without making physical cut Anyway, but we still have sex very often almost daily and I generally do enjoy it and I do have fun I just accepted that I'll never orgasm from my husband. That's totally Fine. He's a really loving husband and we have a great marriage. Just wondering what could make him not want to touch it with his fingers Any men who are the same I would love to hear from you I Wonder if the wetness grosses him out. Maybe it's strange to him not really trying to change anything just wondering about it out of Curiosity. Thanks for any opinions. So I think the horses have left the barn for her like there may have been a window where she could have cajoled. Him into you know, touching her posessy but like you know they married presumably for years like he's whatever suppression of his disgusted reflex he was going to need to do to get over the hump of feeling comfortable with that that that mountain has gotten higher because she's not.
[40:43] Keith: Ah, new partner. Yes, she's allowed him to get lazy and totally tolerated it for a long time now. So she'd be.
[40:44] Mike: Um, but also I think he feels like there's no point right? It doesn't He's yeah, right? Well I mean I think that guys guys. Definitely.. It's harder as a man to motivate to do a sexual activity if you don't think it's going to lead to someone's orgasm because that's like as a man that's kind of the direction things lead.
[41:08] Keith: Right? Like if you were to tell me ah like if I had a partner that wanted me to go down on her for 12 minutes and she said like oh I never orgasm. It just feels good I think I would be substantially less enthusiastic.
[41:23] Keith: I Might do it. But.
[41:24] Mike: Right? I something I think she could convince him to do I think there are things she could do what 6 offer 69 she could like put his car keys up there or something like give um give him a reason like that but they were remote up. There has to.
[41:37] Keith: But it just it just it's a prod I Wonder if he's ever touched Any woman's vagina. Also how does he insert his penis into her or does she just take care of that.
[41:39] Mike: Is to fish things out.
[41:51] Mike: Yeah I don't I mean I'm I'm sure it's not like a phobia. He's probably willing to put his fingers near there for certain. Maybe it's like ah a skill check by him. He's like look mom. No hands What is possible to put your penis in without hands. Yeah.
[41:55] Keith: It's seem seems like it.
[42:06] Mike: Maybe he just like that was a thing he was into when he was younger and he just is and actually to do that. Go far is like a fairly firm erection so it is a bit like of a flex So nice are terrible jokes.
[42:16] Keith: Um, she might be helping she could guide as well.
[42:21] Mike: Yeah, that's true. Um, how much ah, how much how much money in Dollar bills would have to be up a man's rectum Keith for you to be willing to extract it. This sounds like a new game show. Actually.
[42:37] Keith: Ah.
[42:38] Mike: Let's say it's a like like Japanese game show. But let's just say it's like a neutral, a neutral man. Not super unattractive, not super attractive.
[42:45] Keith: How clean I don't know if it actually I think it actually doesn't matter if it's clean or not because I'm going to have to wash my hands.
[42:47] Mike: Normal just normally clean. So like yeah, there's going to be some shit all righty. Dont get to wear a rubber glove. No, you have to use your just hand. Yeah, you can wash your hands afterward. But you got to reach out there like would you do it for a hundred bucks if a guy wanted you to reach in his asshole for a hundred bucks would you do it so it take like a thousand.
[43:06] Keith: I don't think a hundred.
[43:12] Keith: I mean it seems unreasonable to say no to a thousand.
[43:17] Mike: Interesting what your number Mike I think I do it for a hundred you would not I think I would just for the story I might have a hundred dollars on me. Do you want to stick up your asshole miss day all right? We got to go to a bank but I don't know.
[43:26] Keith: That's.
[43:36] Mike: Might be worth it I mean you'll have to stick it up your assle First I mean I'd rather it be someone I don't know. Ah it would change if it was videotaped to maybe I would go down if it was videotape is it because then it's even funnier all right.
[43:37] Keith: Let's stay tuned for our next episode. Ah.
[43:48] Keith: I trust you guys to report whether that this happened hundred bucks
[43:56] Mike: Yeah, how about $53 it's what I've got do you really want to stick $53 if your asshole so I'll pull it out hey Keith how much are you willing to pay me to stick $53 up my asshole for Mike to pull out. Um.
[44:06] Keith: I mean I can rubbage up $47 here I think.
[44:12] Mike: Ah, so you'll get no but I'll get all the money then sure sure you don't want any of the money you just want me to have pulled money out of your asshole I don't know.
[44:16] Keith: Oh how are you going to do 53 and then you know are yeah I'm just curious.
[44:25] Mike: Or work this out offline. We'll do it in coins. Yeah.
[44:33] Keith: Yeah, 53 would requires a minimum of 4 bills. Um, and and really finding a 50 is kind of hard in this day and age so it's going to require might require 6 bills.
[44:34] Mike: I'm doing bens right? That's fine. Yeah, it might be hard to get it all out. But yeah I may use a surrogate for this who and enough friend anyone anyone? Yeah okay I bet there's a homeless guy I can find who.
[44:55] Keith: A surrogate might be better for you Mike because the the ah the yeah yeah I mean I think one of the one of the rules was it has to be like you know a normal person. You don't want them to be. You don't want to be sick.
[44:58] Mike: I Don't want it to be a homeless guy I'd be worried about there being syringe up there.
[45:07] Mike: Yeah, that's right? So yeah, so related to that you know there could be money up This guy's vagina but I don't this one was vagina but I don't think that's actually what's going on I think he's just considers it pointless.
[45:19] Keith: I Think he's probably a little afraid to after so many years you know it it. You're just sort of disgusted by it now I think he doesn't want to do a thing that grosses him out a little bit.
[45:23] Mike: Maybe yeah, it's like yeah well people just don't want to do a thing that doesn't work I don't know maybe.
[45:38] Keith: Like he's sort of ah made the pussy like of a foreign object that isn't to be you know like um I don't touch my asshole much. Um, you know and it's sort of not forgotten or taboo it's It's like awful like I don't like interacting with it.
[45:57] Mike: Why not.
[45:58] Keith: And I think his wife's Vagina might be just because it's kind of gross like I'm disgusted by it and I think he may be sort of disgusted by his wife's vagina.
[46:08] Mike: I'm not disgusted by my asshole kind of like it.
[46:11] Keith: Have you done the thing where you like stand over a mirror and examine it carefully.
[46:18] Mike: I'm not sure that's a thing the thing we're here.
[46:19] Keith: I did it I've done it once or twice and like both times I've just been like this is just awful I wish I didn't know this about myself like it. You should try it should You can.
[46:28] Mike: Yeah, I'm not sure that would bother me. It bothers me that Keith did it well sure it bothers me the idea of people sitting around doing it all right.
[46:37] Keith: You guys could do all of these things as part of the the money retrieval experience. Um.
[46:43] Mike: But you could just use your phone and I would definitely pay you $100 to go into Keith's assho okay all right, all right move on Keith.
[46:46] Keith: No. Yeah, it wasn't importantly it was the getting of money retrieving it from someone else's I don't want anyone around in my hassle. All right. This person says I made a guy come twice in a row. Man has this ever happened to you I a 25 year old female was hooking up with a guy also 25 I've been dating for a few a few months this has been my first sexual relationship and we've been having sex like once a week we were having missionary sex and when he pulled out to come see. There's there's at least 2 of us he had 2 orgasms. About 5 to 10 seconds apart from each other. It seemed to catch him off guard my whole lower amdomen was covered and come. He said he hadn't masturbated all week guys have you ever had back to back orgasms if so under what circumstances I thought it was really rare.
[47:41] Mike: I Don't think they're really back-to-back Orgasms I think it's just a very large load that comes out kind of not in successive spurts.
[47:49] Keith: Yes, the first 20 comments are basically something to that effect. What is the shortest refractory period you ever had right? and it was decades ago right? Probably this they don't have to be proud here.
[47:53] Mike: Yeah.
[48:00] Mike: Um, oh like 5 minutes or less. Probably yeah yeah.
[48:09] Keith: Um, yeah yeah I think something like that five or five minutes but 5 to 10 seconds is just the same orgasm or you had you could have like an aborted orgasm or something.
[48:19] Mike: Right? Yeah I mean guys that although although fully.
[48:28] Mike: There There was a porn we reviewed on the podcast many episodes ago that that showed a guy come and then come again like a minute later. Ah so there. Yeah, there is some weird capability that some guys appear to possess.
[48:35] Keith: Um I remember that? yeah.
[48:41] Keith: I Think some men can like abort an orgasm mid cycle or something and then get it back moments later? Yeah yeah.
[48:45] Mike: So.
[48:50] Mike: Right? So they're so they're putting out some of the nut but it's not actually the orgasm that seems possible. Yeah.
[49:00] Keith: My days of short Refractory period are unfortunately over I don't know if I want to I think I have a normal refractory period. Yeah, um.
[49:11] Mike: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[49:19] Keith: This is sort of a long thing here. Ah yeah, are let's gonna do it all right? This person says my boyfriend won't marry me if I don't give him sex every day. Ah, they're in their mid 20 s they've been together 7 years They have two kids. Ah, and have discussed marriage. Um blah blah blah blah blah she says her sex drive is low. She struggles with a weak pelvic floor hormonal imbalance chronic depression anxiety grieving the loss of her grandmother and dealing with postpartum stuff as a stay- at home mom. Her mental health's been a real battle lately. He's incredibly supportive in all ways. Um, but he said sex is every day is in need that I gave him when we're first together and that's one of the main reasons he got serious with me in the first place he said if I want him to make me his wife that we have to get back to that or at least attempt to have sex. Every day even if it gets interrupted somehow he doesn't want to have to find it elsewhere. Okay, what is a reasonable amount of sex to expect in a marriage.
[50:28] Mike: I Don't think this is a reasonable expectation.
[50:33] Keith: Um, what percentile woman would he have to find to have this expectation met.
[50:39] Mike: I I think it's more complicated than that Personally I think that he would.
[50:42] Keith: I Don't mean that I don't necessarily mean that a woman who wants this is better I Just mean like how rare is a woman like this who wants to have sex every day.
[50:51] Mike: I Think it's somewhat rare and I think it's typically collected around ah accepting some some people that I've learned about via this podcast and talked to vi this podcast but I think it generally it's collected around women who are not particularly attractive or maybe overweight. So then their behaviors become more man-like now what date a couple girls who would have taken that bargain. Yeah I mean it's it. But it's not relatively right. It doesn't exist. It does exist. But I think it's rare.
[51:11] Keith: I see.
[51:27] Mike: I Think a more typical expectation would be like twice a week.
[51:31] Keith: Yeah, what? if ah she said I only want to have sex twice a month like what do you think men should tolerate that how unusual do you think that is.
[51:42] Mike: I Think it's somewhat common should a guy to tolerate it I mean it's not great from the guy's perspective. But um I think that guys get into situations like that and then they can't There's not that much they can do because they. Don't have control in the situation. I mean you're yeah, you're sort of like moving over to the borderline right? You're moving over to the borderline dead bedroom situation. There.
[52:01] Keith: Yeah, women are normally the gatekeeper. Yeah I guess I'm wondering like when when is therapy required like what amount is normal like what do you think the eightieth percentile ranges.
[52:18] Mike: Well twice a week is like I think the standard thing.
[52:22] Keith: Right? So so do you get like 80% of marriages in their thirty s by saying like ah between 3 times a week and 3 times a month
[52:33] Mike: Probably probably? yeah.
[52:35] Keith: I Wonder I Wonder if there are more dead bedrooms than people imagine.
[52:44] Mike: Ah I think that's possible. Also yeah, it's a little bit hard to say because people will have like guilt and shame about it and so they won't They won't be upfront I think you know I mean particularly when you have like financial stress.
[52:50] Keith: Right? Of course right.
[53:00] Mike: Stress with kids things like that you can just be in a situation where nobody has any time. Um, yeah, any sort of like fighting or whatever. So yeah, you're probably right that actually like there is a long tail along and fatter than one would think tail on like the infrequency side.
[53:09] Keith: Um, yeah.
[53:20] Mike: Um, and then there is a small group of people that are like every day.
[53:20] Keith: Your um.
[53:26] Keith: Yeah, okay, that all makes sense. Yeah I mean I guess you would have to caveat like yeah, you don't have a broken relationship generally and like half of all relationships are broken. So um, okay, let's wrap up with something sort of fun here.
[53:33] Mike: Right.
[53:40] Keith: This is about tits and there were 2 topics. This are 2 things here that are short and are both around people not liking large breasts for various reasons. So all right? This person says I have big tits and I feel insecure about writing Dick am I being delirious. Big tits f cup and sometimes I feel a little uneasy uncomfortable writing a guy because they're not perky due to their size and weight and don't hold up I don't think they look as hot as they do in missionary. Do you all personally find it unattractive am I being stupid person 2 he confessed that he hates my large breasts and he refused to touch them. To jump off a bridge I asked my partner. Why I never touched my breasts and he said that he hates large breasts and only like smaller or flat chests. Why the heck would he choose to ask me out. My breasts are very sensitive and I'm dying to have my nipples played with but he doesn't find them attractive and it's making me hate my body right now. How do we move past this rip. Her inbox. Um I think there is diminishing returns on breast tissue mass.
[54:49] Mike: Yeah I mean the woman The first woman I can sort of understand that she she probably doesn't look that good. Ah um, in that position.
[54:58] Keith: Doesn't it look worse in missionary than it does in cowgirl.
[55:02] Mike: Not necessarily because they said to sort of flatten out and so it doesn't yeah I mean what position do you think they look the best in doggie style.
[55:07] Keith: Yeah, they like fall to the side.
[55:17] Keith: I Think you can't really see them. Ah, ah I do kind of like that angle in porn when the camera man's to the side and you you see the the breasts just sort of swinging that's it's It's not an experience I can have and.
[55:18] Mike: Well what if you're watching from the side like a cameraman.
[55:28] Mike: Yeah, for sure I like it too.
[55:34] Keith: My own first person.
[55:35] Mike: Not until you get the Apple Vision pro keith
[55:40] Keith: Ah, is there porn specifically designed for the vision pro yet or is the vision pro just like any other Vr headset.
[55:45] Mike: I think it's like any other vr headset but this would be something different from that this would be like you wear it and then have a drone flying in your bedroom so you can watch yourself from the side in vr I think the the elephant in the room here and pond definitely intended is a woman with FCup
[55:59] Keith: Ah.
[56:04] Mike: Breasts is going to be probably obese and so I mean if she has body confidence issues. They shouldn't be specific to her tits. Yeah, that's a problem.
[56:04] Keith: Yeah.
[56:14] Keith: Yeah, that she's conflating her general discomfort with her her weight. Yeah I think that's most likely and of course none of the comments mentioned that um.
[56:19] Mike: Yeah, so. Yeah,, they're too politically correct. Yeah.
[56:29] Keith: Yeah, where do you think you guys like what is your preferred breast size. Yeah.
[56:34] Mike: Right? Preferred Um, ah you know like a full C or whatever. But like if they're perky and nice. You know, sort of the sky's like I don't want like I don't want like novelty like Triple D or whatever.
[56:45] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
[56:53] Mike: But like a yeah, a big D If they're like a good shape and like the girls young or whatever has good implants. Yeah, that's great.
[56:59] Keith: Do you prefer? Ah okay on the topic of implants. Yeah I don't know I feel like that takes away a lot for me.
[57:06] Mike: Well, there's a wide range there. There are really bad ones and pretty good ones. So.
[57:13] Keith: Yeah I've experienced both and there is a wide range. Yeah, you're right? Um, yeah I have something to say but I can't really I'll tell you guys Offline Sorry listeners.
[57:23] Mike: Okay, what would what was what was the second I forgot what the second thing was there. There was the oh my preference probably this similar to no, it's not yeah my I like to completely flat chest.
[57:29] Keith: Wait, No wait. What is your preference and yeah, yours is as small as possible right.
[57:40] Mike: I think I have the same preference as Eric.
[57:41] Keith: Yeah, okay, that's like all men full see Yeah I don't think that's yeah, there's something adaptive about that I think.
[57:44] Mike: Yeah, sure.
[57:52] Mike: Yeah, it's big enough that ah it ah it hinders her I want the woman to be hindered by her breasts.
[57:58] Keith: It implies a certain Bm I I think.
[58:02] Mike: Maybe just it just means there's like things that I can do better because I don't have this thing hanging from my chest.
[58:08] Keith: Actually wait it does't it does imply a bmi but the Bmi implies is usually actually overweight but given not being overweight and having perky sees that implies probably fecundity.
[58:24] Mike: Sure Well I mean that yeah that goes without saying you like feet binding to but like feet binding. No why? Well because that would make her physically and free or two too. It's like I'm so much better walking around and standing up right? Yeah amputees. Um.
[58:37] Keith: First.
[58:40] Mike: Down syndrome. These are my yeah, these are my fetishes. Ah.
[58:43] Keith: Yeah, all right all right? You guys have anything else you want to litigate before I wrap this up all right? That'll do it for this episode of your mileage may vy you can send us feedback or questions to YMMvPod at gmail.com
[58:47] Mike: I Don't think so.
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Episode 165: A Misplaced Prostate, Gagging During Cunnilingus, Refusal to Touch It, Short Refractory Periods, What's More Gay?

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