Your Mileage May Vary: Men Behaving Badly, Sex Critiques, Condom Lies, Impregnation Fetishes, Too Wet For Oral

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[00:01] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial but mostly in good faith. We have a super mature list of topics to cover today. The theme of which is men behaving. Badly um Mike. Ah I replaced my showerhead today. This is not going to be that interesting but are you aware that there is like a federal limit to the amount of flow that a shower head can have.
[00:29] Mike: Um I didn't know it was federal but I know there's like a little thingy in there that like that you can remove and or drill out now.
[00:36] Keith: Yeah, so on Amazon you can buy a one point seven five gallons per ah minute or a two point five gallons per minute and I measured my faucet and it does. I don't know I think it does like seven gallons per minute. It's way more than whatever the thing is and ah yeah, so to fix it I had to drill I yeah I had to do like a fairly for me anyway, toolsy thing to.
[00:53] Mike: Okay.
[01:11] Keith: Ah, remove the governor that stops the flow but it is but it's not meant to be removed. So I just use like an eighth of an inch drill bit and then that took care of it. Um.
[01:14] Mike: Um, just a piece of plastic right.
[01:19] Mike: Um, right? sure.
[01:26] Keith: What is the penalty for such a crime I mean obviously no one would ever prosecute this but like I like maybe if a hotel did it Maybe the state would go after them or something I don't know.
[01:32] Mike: Um, yeah I have no idea right? Yeah things like that are going to be Upstream of like an individual apartment dweller homeowner or whatever. It's going to be if a contractor got caught doing it everywhere.
[01:46] Keith: Yeah, okay, yeah, my landlady it occurred to me. No and my landlady is very old I think she's in her ninety s she's certainly in spirit in her 90 s like she's quite senile and.
[01:48] Mike: They'd have some kind of penalty. Do you pay your water bill. Okay.
[02:05] Keith: I've lived in this building for over fifteen years and she often she doesn't anymore. She's like basically aged out of hassling me about various things but she used to always hassle me about the water bill and she didn't know who in the building was using so much water. But.
[02:13] Mike: Are.
[02:21] Keith: She knew that the water usage was high and it actually hadn't occurred to me that it was because I had removed the governor on my previous showerhead like I never connected those 2 things until today and.
[02:25] Mike: Um, okay.
[02:30] Mike: I Don't think it's likely that that would do that much I mean I don't I doubt you I mean you can multiply it out and figure out how much time you spend in the shower. But I doubt it's that relevant. It's probably someone else doing something? Yeah, but yeah.
[02:42] Keith: Well Okay, how bad is a toilet Flush is a toilet flush a gallon.
[02:48] Mike: It's more than that I think but there's the same situation like yeah, you can conserve by having a limited amount of water that's used.
[02:56] Keith: Well I'm trying to figure out what the dominant thing is in the water usage equation and if ah flushing the toilet is just a gallon then it's then that then toilet uses to minimis.
[03:00] Mike: Um, for most people it's.
[03:03] Mike: Yeah I mean we're in California so this matters because some parts of the world. People will say what like who cares about water. Ah in California they charge they can charge a lot like ah where I live my water bill can be $200 a month and or higher it can be.
[03:12] Keith: Right move.
[03:19] Keith: Damn yeah.
[03:23] Mike: 300 in the summer and the number 1 thing is swimming pools and irrigation that kind of stuff. Yeah, so kind of normal and living honestly this stuff for a person who lives in an apartment is kind of stupid because you're already doing the right things. Ah.
[03:27] Keith: Okay.
[03:38] Mike: It's people like me who live in a house and have like more land and are like watering fruit fruit trees and stuff. Yeah I am yeah I am I don't have a swimming pool I don't have a lawn anymore I replaced it because of this because they've jacked the price up so much. But in California really what.
[03:40] Keith: Yeah, you're being profligate almost on purpose. Yeah.
[03:51] Keith: Really you, you've removed grass because watering it was irritating nely expensive huh.
[03:59] Mike: Oh yeah, it was ridiculous. Yeah, and I just yeah I mean I just replaced it with a little patio and some flowers and stuff fine. Well there is an issue with my hot tub but it it melted but um.
[04:04] Keith: How big how much what's the volume of your hot tub ish. Oh oh it melt wait Sorry what.
[04:14] Mike: Ah, 360 so I have a hot tub that I that I built I am a hobbyist and I have a hot tub that I built people have said I should have a Youtube channel for this stuff instead I have a porn subreddit which is almost the same thing. Ah but ah.
[04:29] Keith: Um, right baby steps.
[04:31] Mike: So yeah I have a friend who lives in New Zealand who ah I don't think he ever built this but he got me turned on to the idea of making a hot tub that uses only solar power and so I got a hot tub for free off Craigslist which you can do. It's easy to get 1 did have to get some. Folks that are not from America to deliver it or bring it and then as is often the case when they got they finished they wanted extra money and I had to sort of deal with that. So I think delivery was several hundred dollars anyway ah hooked it up. So it's got I've got batteries and a bunch of solar panels and it works but there was a big windstorm this winter and the little it blew off the lid on where I had the computer that controls it and it got turned it got stuck in the on position and it basically melted.
[05:17] Keith: Ow.
[05:22] Mike: It got me melt what what happens is it actually boils the water it used. So yeah, it boiled the water and then and then so so I have to fix it basically get a little bit it it. Ah it Ultimately, what ended the process was it melted the hose.
[05:31] Keith: Ah, and it did it do physical damage to the tub itself.
[05:41] Mike: That evacuates the water enough that the water all evacuated out and then it melted through some of the wires so that then it just turned you know' stopp or you could have started a fire so obviously have to rethink it a little bit too if I'm going to read redo it. There was another incident where where I ah I was using Bromine to keep it clean.
[05:56] Keith: It's always.
[06:01] Mike: Bromine and chlorine are the 2 normal things and I'd let the bromine level get way too high did I talk about this on the podcast I'm not sure it's supposed to be less bothersome to your skin I think something like that. But what happened was I let the level because I wasn't testing it properly get like.
[06:07] Keith: Um, no, what does bro mean at what advantages does Bromine have over chlorine caustic or something. Okay.
[06:20] Mike: 10 times higher than it should have and I started getting um rashes on my skin and I yes so I so I so I wasn't using it anyway because of that because I would get a rash every time I used it so well now it's empty.
[06:23] Keith: Yeah, like. Is your is your family like afraid to use the top down because they they were to get boiled alive or kept chemical burns.
[06:37] Mike: It's empty now. Yeah well one time I had a bug in the software on the little computer in there and I did start to get in it when that it had gotten up to one hundred and thirty degrees in there and that's dangerous. Well I only put my foot in yeah, but you yeah, you have to if you mean it's a little bit complicated I had to replace I replace the innards of the hot tub with.
[06:43] Keith: Hundred and thirty holy cow okay yeah that seems.
[06:56] Mike: Stuff that uses Dc instead of Ac and a little temperature probes and a little computer but bugs in that computer. Yeah I don't know you got to be careful. Not you l listed anyway.
[07:07] Keith: Yeah I see ah white people. Maybe let professionals take care of those um I didn't yeah and sounds like you have plenty of power if you could basically turn it into plasma.
[07:11] Mike: Yeah, nothing but trouble but it's kind of fun I mean it No no you you know, only solar so it's got I mean I need.
[07:24] Mike: Yes, well I have a I have about 15 solar panels that I got off Craigslist and put them on top of our chicken run so lot of a lot of solar panels to do that anyway.
[07:25] Keith: Temperature wise.
[07:32] Keith: Right? right? Um, all right? That's enough banter. Ah this person says I had sex for the first time ever with my boyfriend but he texted me the day after with a list of mistakes I made so this is she's 20 and her boyfriend is 35 so already. There's ah some issues here. She says I lost my virginity to my boyfriend a couple days ago I knew that going in I was going to be nervous and clumsy. The sex is pretty awkward and sometimes it hurt so to ask him to stop a bit. He did come but I couldn't come probably due to nerves.
[07:50] Mike: Okay.
[08:08] Keith: Anyway, at the next day woke up to a text room and basically listing the things I did wrong during sex. This is the text. Ah I'll read the text and in a moment just because well I'll I'll say why but ah, let me finish reading her explanation here. She said so don't get me wrong I'm not against being told how I can do stuff better. Know that I'm not going to be great at sex. Obviously just don't really like the way he did it I would have preferred being told face to face it in a more gentle manner I don't like that he did it in the morning after either I felt blindsided by this text now the thought of us having sex again makes me feel more self-conscious what if I can't perform next time am I going to wake up to even more texts.
[08:43] Mike: Yeah.
[08:45] Keith: Ah, yeah, okay so he ah he lists 6 things here and ah while I agree with her analysis that he should read the room and not have sent this. Ah.
[09:04] Keith: Sound like reasonable complaints coming from a 35 year old who's probably had a bunch of sexual partners and having sex with a virgin for the first time like I I can imagine her having these failure modes all right here we go number 1 be sexier. Don't be so quiet moan and scream. So.
[09:14] Mike: Okay.
[09:22] Keith: There's a lot to it. Analyze here. But you know you don't want women to performatively moded scream and we've discussed this so many times of this podcast. It's it's tiresome at this point. But yeah, there's There's some believable amount of noise making that apparently she was not doing and he was. Discouraged by that. Ah.
[09:43] Mike: Um, right? Yeah I mean you go ahead.
[09:44] Keith: I can move on. Do you have anything to say about number one here. Yeah you you often get caught up on the word scream I think that's used colloquially differently than you have in your mind I don't know.
[09:48] Mike: Um, well I mean telling her to scream is weird.
[10:00] Mike: Um, oh do you think it means like squeal.
[10:03] Keith: People talk about like oh this thing made me scream and that's just like a I don't know it's like an idiom for this thing made me excited. It doesn't mean like it's it's it's it's hyperbole to like illustrate a point but well who knows what this guy means. But.
[10:15] Mike: Um, okay if that's what he if that's what that means fine. Okay.
[10:22] Keith: You know? Yeah, um, all right to your head game needs a lot of work lot is capitalized and he says look it up now that may be ah but I think I don't know. Do you think that.
[10:23] Mike: Okay.
[10:41] Keith: The way that men like to be blown differs much between men like I think the I think the way that women like to be gone down on differs a ton from woman to woman. Do you think there's like the same variability in men or can like 1 man train a woman and she's good to go with most men for the rest of her.
[10:45] Mike: I Think so.
[11:00] Mike: I think I mean when you look at it in porn. There are significant differences in what guys do I Sorry what women do to men and what what sort of desired whether it's more like hand action more just sucking on the tip more.
[11:00] Keith: Sex life.
[11:16] Keith: Yeah.
[11:17] Mike: I think there is some variety I don't think it's like massive but there's some variety I'm stuck on the way you phrase is you're sure this isn't the text that Donald Trump sent to stormy daniels after they had sex. No, but I mean it's this presumptuous enoughness of it is crazy.
[11:26] Keith: Is there such a text.
[11:34] Keith: Right? right? right.
[11:36] Mike: Like this this guy has is having sex with someone much much younger than him. Maybe she's way less attractive than him or something but it's like what your head game and and women don't This isn't a way that a woman is going to think about this topic having it called your head game already is like.
[11:53] Keith: Right? Yes, yeah, but he' sexualizing her. He's like he he's He's turning her into yeah like of his wealth. He's just not being very sensitive to her feelings.
[11:56] Mike: I Mean maybe that's just the way they colloquial talk. But.
[12:08] Mike: Okay, but if if if on one side of the spectrum you have terminology like making love this is the far other side of the spectrum right? your head game and so unless she's kind of primed unless that's kind of the way she's used to talking about this. He's going to lose her pretty badly there.
[12:10] Keith: Pose.
[12:15] Keith: Correct.
[12:27] Mike: Because she's like look I'm not ah doing an oil change for Jiffy Lube here like you're supposed to. There's supposed to be some connection some some deep connection being formed here. So it's it's like right? It's getting back to your point about reading the room like he's this is just a guaranteed.
[12:27] Keith: Um, right.
[12:30] Keith: Right? right? right? It's not just the mechanics of my technique that matter.
[12:45] Mike: Way to just not get any more sex from her but ok, fine. All right.
[12:47] Keith: Right? Oh ah, gets better. You ready? Okay, here's number 3 Well ok also I I'm sure one and 2 are probably true like it. She probably you know could have been more into it and it could be that her blowjo technique is bad. Um.
[13:01] Mike: Well just telling her Oh he said look it up. Ok I mean but a reasonable response to that would be well. Why don't you give me some tips in the moment like I mean I have you and I both have experienced I Guess bad head game right.
[13:06] Keith: Yeah, tell me right right.
[13:18] Mike: So this is not impossible.
[13:19] Keith: It's tricky like even if somebody asks you, you know what can I be doing better.. It's a little tricky like for starters I'm not sure exactly what it is that I like and but even if I did. If I give that instruction and they don't you know, take it. They don't onboard it well and I'm still not able to to come or be aroused like yeah, there's some risk in giving active feedback during the act I think.
[13:55] Mike: Um, yeah.
[13:55] Keith: Time to give feedback might be. You know when you're not aroused when my dick's not in her mouth.
[14:03] Mike: Um, well you could have an agreement that you're going to do like a a lesson or something make it kind of sexy I don't know what? what? Why are you? not sure what you like is it because you're not look. You got your eyes closed or something. You're not sure what does what sensation.
[14:05] Keith: Sure Yeah, that's true.
[14:14] Keith: I yeah I guess I don't I mean I'm fairly new to blow jobs. Generally I mean I've had hundreds in my life but I don't think I've had the thousands or tens of thousands that most men in their early 40 s have had is that.
[14:31] Mike: Tens of thousands I don't think that's likely it's too many maybe a thousands. Maybe maybe it maybe a thousand trying to figure. Well anyway.
[14:33] Keith: That thousands. Well maybe it's maybe maybe it's point five ten thousand s
[14:44] Mike: Yeah I don't know that's a lot. But yeah, it's like how many yes one a day for like 15 years slide yeah
[14:47] Keith: Yeah, 5000 is a lot but that would be yeah, that's too many. That's many right right? Um, okay number 3 is dot act awkward. You're not a virgin anymore. So don't act like it that's ah, that's.
[15:04] Mike: Okay, but I mean you could imagine a guy here.
[15:05] Keith: Brutal I'm sure she was probably like you know nervously giggling or shy or who knows.
[15:16] Mike: Isn't that sort of a staple of I mean certainly like Japanese porn. So there are guys who actually want awkward might not be the word I would use for it but kind of naive.
[15:19] Keith: Yeah.
[15:27] Keith: I Think Awkward might be a thing in Japanese porn that's selected for like they they'll like you know cover their mouth and you know do that like sort of tea he thing and you know offer light resistance as they paw at her. Um, you see you see that trope a lot.
[15:31] Mike: Um, oh interesting.
[15:35] Mike: Um, right.
[15:39] Mike: Right? Yeah, so I mean that yeah that this might yeah this may be bad advice.
[15:44] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, I'm not even sure what he's saying there number number 4 you need to get better at shaving Winky Emoji it's just so brutal. Um I it well.
[15:59] Mike: Um, this is sort of almost this is getting hard to believe Wow. Okay.
[16:03] Keith: I bet he did this but he was just trying to he was just trying to break up with her or he didn't care.
[16:06] Mike: Yeah, or this could be something somebody else. Got let's see is is it possible that his wife got a hold of his phone and sent this. She's like what is because this is an extremely effective way. Yes I mean this is like this sounds like a list of things if.
[16:16] Keith: Oh is like trying to sabotage the relationship yeah could be.
[16:25] Mike: If you asked me to come up with a list to send to destroy a relationship this sounds. Ah I guess I Well I don't know if we're going to get to your fat that would be yourre fat. You're youre you're obese, you're too fat something like that. But okay your shit. Yeah shaving.
[16:27] Keith: Right? right.
[16:42] Keith: The ah.
[16:44] Mike: Shaving's not good enough I I assume well we can yeah some some sort of.
[16:48] Keith: I've seen the I mean I've seen various failure modes with shaving I Mean for starters I mean that look this is unfair I know that you know people have different skin but some people are better at managing their. Skin idiosyncrasies than others. Um, and then and then a thing you often see we've actually talked about this with respect to waxing. But yeah, like the hair that sort of grows on the outer labia can be sort of hard to get shaved properly.
[17:08] Mike: Um, yeah.
[17:23] Mike: There's this there are video so there's this subredd that I've mentioned before on the podcast called youtube pussy and essentially it's a it's these people. Well, that's basically how they get their vaginas onto Youtube but the thing that I always notice is that I don't know. Okay I'm not sure.
[17:29] Keith: Um, yeah, oh they probably give shaving tips right.
[17:41] Mike: But it often seems like these are just women showing off how small of labia they have because it's often really easy for them to shave if that makes sense like there's not a whole lot of texture in there.
[17:48] Keith: Oh.
[17:55] Keith: Could be. It could be that people that have a large labia is large the right adjective there that have um, overgrown ah fat labia.
[18:03] Mike: In French you would say fat for sure. Well, it's like in French you say oh she has fat boobs fat breasts. Not large coal coal. Yeah.
[18:13] Keith: Gra said how you say fat grow. Okay well.
[18:22] Mike: Which I always find kind of funny because to and you translate that directly. It's kind of a derogatory in English right? But it's just the way they say it and also yeah, it makes you think of utters makes me think of utters. Anyway.
[18:25] Keith: Right. Ok, well in any case it could be the women that do this stuff on Youtube know that they have that they have attractive labia or the women who have unattractive labia are less likely are less inclined to go on Youtube with it.
[18:38] Mike: Um, yes.
[18:43] Mike: Right? But interestingly less pedagogical right? I mean look I haven't done an search on Youtube for bikini waxing tutorial videos or whatever. But I sorry not waxing but shaving. But.
[18:58] Keith: Ah.
[19:01] Mike: The most useful thing for a woman would probably be a more complex set of Genitalia right.
[19:03] Keith: Yeah, because you can't learn if the person doing it just does like you know one swipe with the razor across and they're done.
[19:10] Mike: Yeah, and they're always super thin to which I imagine weight probably plays a role here too because if you have a role of fat you you can't actually you can't see at all what's going on whereas if somebody's skinny I mean they can just look so anyway.
[19:18] Keith: Um, that's a good point. Yeah, that may support your theory that this gal is not in the greatest shape.
[19:29] Mike: Well I don't know what the next? Well anyway, keep going.
[19:33] Keith: We're being mean. Okay, let's continue. Let's continue all right number 5 don't tell a guy to stop when he's getting into it. It ruins the mood.
[19:39] Mike: When he's getting into it so he's about to nut I Guess oh my lord this this This is unbelievable, right? right.
[19:41] Keith: I Guess but remember remember she was in pain remember she was in pain. That's where she has to stop So it's just being like a total assle.
[19:55] Mike: Did she say that at the beginning that if she would she'd been in pain I missed there I forgot ok.
[19:58] Keith: Yeah I knew that ah going in I was going to be nervous and clumsy. The sex is pretty awkward and sometimes it hurts so I had to ask him to stop a bit.
[20:02] Mike: Okay, yeah, well that that's going to be the normal reason for a woman to ask to stop is some discomfort and so look just just here here's something to chew on here's a belt a leather strap.
[20:07] Keith: Yes, yes.
[20:18] Keith: Right? A muzzle. Yeah, it's it's just yeah, this guy's this guy's a real piece of work all right? Ah number 6 Let me try what I want not letting me ruins the mood. That's that's similar to 5 I guess.
[20:20] Mike: Next time take a like it in beforehand.
[20:34] Mike: Well that feels like anal think usually that's.
[20:38] Keith: Who knows who who knows what she? ah maybe he wanted to try a position. She didn't want to do.
[20:48] Mike: I Remember in high school One of my girlfriends did would not do dogggie style but the way I handled it was to be like ok didn't send well like that was before texting but I didn't tell her the next day hey. Ah.
[21:04] Mike: Let me do what I want flip over bitch.
[21:07] Keith: Yeah I mean there's a topic later that I think we're going to brush up against so I'll I'll save my thoughts for that. Um, ah and number 6 again. Although this is the seventh don't be shy. It's not sexy. So that's similar to ah.
[21:16] Mike: Um, yeah, okay.
[21:23] Mike: Awkward.
[21:26] Keith: Yeah, be sexy or don't be so quiet moment and scream. Um look this guy is a douche bag but ah it is possible that some of these complaints are fair.
[21:29] Mike: Um, right I mean being shy and awkward could make the blowjob not good.
[21:44] Keith: He should keep them to himself of course or or express them much much much differently. But.
[21:48] Mike: Okay, the the head game one I think is probably the well you're going to say the the the shaving one those are the 2 most most valid I mean the that don't tell me to stop one I think is pretty much completely invalid and let me do what I want that feels pretty invalid too. Okay, so maybe.
[21:59] Keith: Yes, yes. Well look I look mike I don't want to be in the business of defending this guy but it could be that you know on 1 extreme. It could be that she only wanted to do missionary and whenever he tried to do.
[22:07] Mike: The most valid one I think is the head.
[22:25] Keith: Anything else. She was like you know oh I don't want to in which case the feedback that yeah, it's true. Like I said I don't want to be in the business of hitting this guy but to the extent that that ah being a little bit explorative and open minded and and trying to.
[22:30] Mike: Um, but we we know there was a blowjob.
[22:36] Mike: Um, yeah.
[22:44] Keith: Not let your anxiety and shyness dominate your experience that it's not terrible feedback. But again, ah.
[22:49] Mike: We also know that he got close enough to her fulva to see the shaving clearly unless he's complaining because like his nuts got prickled. Maybe.
[22:57] Keith: Mm Scraped I actually hooked up with someone once and ah I think she like hadn't shaved in a couple days so you know it was like sort of sandpapery.
[23:14] Mike: Um, yeah.
[23:14] Keith: And she was on top of me and she was really grinding and so yeah, like the experience is like on my pubic bone above my penis I'm I'm you know getting like sanded down and I remember like the next day. Yeah I had like a rash. It was not.. It's not thrilled. About that I do yeah I So trying to remember if like yeah I guess so.
[23:35] Mike: Um, and you have hair there right? So it was sanding you through the hair.
[23:43] Mike: Now it's not that surprising that that would work. Yeah I mean women complain about this with men's faces right? so.
[23:49] Keith: Yes, another reason why kissing man is just awful.
[23:57] Mike: I'd rather kiss a man with like a five o'clock shadow than with a full beard if I had to.
[24:01] Keith: Yes, yeah I think the more hair the more masculine which is definitionally bad.
[24:06] Mike: Right? The beard right? The kissing a man that has a beard would be upsetting I'm glad I've not had to do that. Maybe I'd like it I don't think so though.
[24:13] Keith: Right? right? Yeah, all right? you ready for our. Ah next man behaving badly all right. He wants to take my virginity for my eighteenth birthday I a seventeen year old female met my 22 year old ah
[24:23] Mike: Um, yes.
[24:32] Keith: Boyfriend on an online game called valerant like six months ago um do you know what valerent is it's a first person shooter. Yeah, and it's skill-based so you get the the better you do you sort of graduate to higher level leagues and you can get demoted.
[24:37] Mike: Okay, oh you know? Okay, that's on when Okay, fine. Yeah.
[24:51] Keith: And I've I've heard of a lot I've heard that there are young women who play this game I'll occasionally see it on like bumble or Tinder somebody will say like oh you know I'm gold and valorant. Um, but anyway so this guy actually met a girl on valerent good for him.
[25:04] Mike: Huh.
[25:08] Keith: Started off as friends but slowly the relationship developed as something more and he asked me out. So I said yes, we still haven't met in person yet. But we talk every day and he has my best friend. What could possibly go wrong I told him that I want to meet him in person if things keep going good between us. But he said he doesn't want to come until my birthday which isn't until June.
[25:16] Mike: Um, oh.
[25:27] Keith: That made me kind of mad at him and then as if to like make the situation better or something he literally says that he wants to fuck me so hard and get me pregnant and that he's always had a fetish of getting pregnant on her eighteenth birthday I just hung up the phone on him and it.
[25:36] Mike: Um.
[25:39] Mike: Finish.
[25:44] Keith: And I've been ignoring his text but it's frustrating because I really want to have sex with him and I feel kind of badly for getting that at him because I think he was just trying to say he likes it as an idea and was trying to dirty talk or something never had sex before and I don't know a lot about fantasy and role-playing so any and all advice is welcome. Thank you? So anyway, you can imagine the advice. Ah, which is run away as far as possible from this man. What is wrong with young men like what why did he say that was it some ham fisted way to like be dominant.
[26:06] Mike: Um, right.
[26:12] Mike: Um, which part. Ah.
[26:21] Mike: Yeah I mean well maybe yeah I mean maybe okay, what is wrong with young men I mean look part of me I have the reaction that look young men have crazy fetishes and fantasies and here he's revealed it and he's going to get screwed or not screwed in the case. Maybe. Because of having revealed this fantasy fetish. Whatever I mean I I Actually think it's probably on the in the range of normal for a young man just to have when you say what's wrong with him you you mean?? Why did you mean?? Why did he reveal it.
[26:57] Keith: Yeah I mean been watching this show called big mouth have you heard about it. It's on Netflix it's like 7 seasons and the entire show is about sex. It's a yeah and it's it's it's kind of entertaining. It's it's very crude, but.
[26:58] Mike: Not having it.
[27:09] Mike: Um, it's animated right? yeah.
[27:16] Keith: They really lean in to the notion that yeah like eighth graders like all they think about is sex and yeah, the notion that this guy is like fantasizing about taking this girl's virginity I guess is not a sin right? Like probably most. Men of a certain age are spending almost all of their time thinking about having sex with young women and so you know that part is not a problem I guess it's the like misunderstanding that declaring that in such a forceful way.
[27:40] Mike: Um, right.
[27:54] Keith: Is going to be good or not harmful.
[27:59] Mike: Yeah, but so this is yeah this is where I bet this is okay what I want to say is I bet This is a thing that men I Want to say get trapped into a little bit because culturally the norms have shifted in terms of what's okay. For people to express about themselves. So They think oh well I can you know were we're everybody's in the business now revealing their true feelings about stuff that you know things are getting de-tabooed right? Well,, There's a big like kind of I mean you have all this stuff with transgender.
[28:31] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
[28:37] Mike: And gay you know, lgbtq and mental health and all this stuff and you okay Fine. Um, but here you have something that if a young man expresses it and I think it's in the range of Normal. It's suddenly this huge problem and so he might just not have he might have thought oh I'm I'm being vulnerable. Yeah,, that's see this is the thing. So What's wrong with him I think yeah I think he thought he was being vulnerable to her. You don't think so yeah, it's obvious to you is a mistake.
[29:01] Keith: Huh I don't know I Really don't know I think that um.
[29:11] Keith: Yeah.
[29:13] Mike: It's obvious to me too. It's obvious to me too because it's like he's you're fishing right? You're not when you're fishing. You don't like stomp around and make lots of noise like men have to understand their role.
[29:18] Keith: Right? right? Yeah and it's not likely that she's into fairly aggressive dominant play before she's had sex once like she just doesn't write. She doesn't know anything about right.
[29:32] Mike: And she's never met this guy. Also.
[29:38] Keith: That's that's actually a good point forgot about that.
[29:41] Mike: Right? So reading the room again. He he Ah I mean yeah, again, this makes me wonder like if it's a catfish type situation or something strange, but the notion of.
[29:46] Keith: Yeah, who knows I mean there's a number of problems here right? They met playing valerant. She later says like I blocked him but he's messaging me on Discord which is like the video game slack.
[29:58] Mike: Um, right? that the notion that she's ah that a woman would get cat catfished on a video game is preposterous to me. You know what? I mean like I would think I would think it would be the guy I would think she would be the 1 faking. Yeah. Ah, person playing her role would be the 1 faking.
[30:13] Keith: I would expect that happens ninety nine out of 100 catfishing situations on video games are a man being catfished by a woman. So yeah, this is confusing well I don't think maybe neither are catfishing but maybe he is I don't know.
[30:24] Mike: What's what's what's the trick. How to say as if if you're a guy that wants to meet a woman on a video game like this. What do you use? Audio do you I Guess video chatting is the key right.
[30:35] Keith: Um, yeah I don't know I don't play console video games anymore. Although valerent is also on the Pc um the games I do play people will use discord.
[30:43] Mike: Yeah.
[30:51] Keith: Or the games themselves will have some sort of voice communications thing.
[30:54] Mike: Um, but video would be more dispositive right? I mean although I honestly man like we're not very far from having some ai tool that makes you into a woman so you you can have a video chat with the person you're talking it raises your voice blah blah Blah Blah blah And so.
[31:05] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
[31:12] Mike: Even that wouldn't I'm not sure what you what you would do.
[31:15] Keith: Yeah, we played for years with ah this person who claimed that she was a only fans model and they weren't and we're we're still not sure if. They were in cahoots with the actual Instagram model and they were sending thirsty men to the only fan models content or if they were stealing. The only fan model content and trying to monetize it on their own I'm not sure. But yeah.
[31:44] Mike: Um.
[31:47] Mike: Um, interesting.
[31:51] Keith: And look to trying to take advantage of you know teenage boys playing video games is that seem like a pretty good target.
[32:00] Mike: Yeah, well I mean I assume I assume it all would devolve down until like telling them to buy bitcoin or something or whatever.
[32:08] Keith: Yeah, I'm not sure where those things go because I always sniff them out before I get to that part of the script. Maybe I should play it out a bit more just out of curiosity's sake. Um all right? Let's move on to our ah third man.
[32:12] Mike: Um, right.
[32:25] Keith: Ah, behaving. Badly this person lied about condom use my husband we've been married eight years and I were separated for seven months we are trying to reconcile and before having sex. We talked about history. Well apart he said he had sex with 3 people and use protection withal. After three weeks he accidentally let it slip that he didn't use a condom with one of the individuals then went on to admit that he hadn't used a condom with anyone I feel violated like he put my physical health at risk without any consideration for my right to know I feel like he took away informed consent by not sharing known risk factors am I overreacting is this worth ending our marriage.
[32:53] Mike: Yeah.
[33:01] Keith: Over moon.
[33:04] Mike: Um, I think this is a I think this is a ah an under considered element of ah what of a thing that can happen when you're in a committed relationship and you cheat meaning there's the initial thing which is okay, you fucked someone else. Right? But then there's this second thing which is like well do you have aids now or whatever. Do you have? do you have Hepatitis like with you know and I think people. Yeah I think it's I think she's it's completely reasonable for her to be upset about that in this case, they were separated right? So It's not.
[33:24] Keith: Right.
[33:39] Mike: Ah, cheating situation so much. But yeah.
[33:41] Keith: What should if he said when she said did you use a condom.
[33:47] Mike: He should have said no he should have said I'm not he should have said he should have suggested they both get tested. You know be like look maybe something like hey I don't think it's that helpful for us to go in. You know.
[34:00] Keith: That's what I mean.
[34:04] Mike: Deeply introspect into what happened, but but I know not every time So I I want to be tested but he shouldn't He shouldn't be forced because they were separated I don't think you should be forced to reveal the details of every single encounter he had right? I mean that's not reasonable.
[34:15] Keith: And I find myself in the uncomfortable position of defending an indefensible person again. But yeah, like she probably confronted him in a moment of anger right? So like wait, you slept with 3 other women. Did you use a condom.
[34:21] Mike: Okay.
[34:34] Keith: And then like that's probably not the right moment to say no um so like I can imagine him saying oh yeah, of course and then slowly walking out what actually happened over time. Um, now of course he should have just been honest and should have gotten tested and shouldn't have put her at risk here but he was probably hoping I don't know why he accidentally let it slip I'd I'd like some details on that but he could have just you know, played the odds here. It's.
[34:55] Mike: Um, yeah.
[35:11] Keith: Like after after he'd fucked her after not using a condom with these 3 women if she doesn't get an std quickly then she's not going to get 1 and so he could have just played the odds and kept his mouth shut I don't understand why he later ah revealed.
[35:11] Mike: Um, that's recent.
[35:28] Mike: Yeah, well I mean this is why I brought up the that it's an underplate aspect of cheating. It's that actually this is way more sort of sociopathic than cheating would be right because it's like he's not.
[35:28] Keith: His sin here.
[35:44] Mike: He's he's revealing that he actually doesn't care about his partner's health right? It would so so ok, they yeah he should he he he kind of yeah he should he screwed up. He should have he should have cared about this and the thing you're saying is oh well he could just he could pretend. It didn't happen I Guess that's ok.
[35:47] Keith: Right.
[36:04] Mike: That's true depends on it but it depends on how revealing that is of his character in general right? Like is this the kind of person he is ah which is at the root of her concern which I think is perfectly reasonable. It probably is the kind of person he is.
[36:09] Keith: Yeah.
[36:22] Keith: Yeah I mean I'm sure this person I'm sure this person sucks right? like we only have one paragraph of ah a bias tree telling here but the kind of person who lies to their wife about something that.
[36:26] Mike: It's It's one.
[36:39] Keith: Is risky to their health. It's just a shithead. Um.
[36:43] Mike: Um, yeah, it's to me. It's the difference look if I Okay if I cheated on my wife that's something that I could imagine like telling my mom being like look this is great. Not great, but I did this the second one where you put her health at risk I don't want to ever that would. I Can't ah you know what? I mean then like what I'm I'm like getting self-harm thoughts thinking about that conversation with my mom I'm like no I can't so it's like another to me I don't know that my compass is perfect but to me that's way Worse. You're like oh no, Ah, and so yeah.
[37:01] Keith: Um, right.
[37:05] Keith: Right.
[37:13] Keith: Right? right? Yeah I think the the only um, the only off ramp I can give this guy here is if he lied about it initially. But then came clean before he actually had sex with her then.
[37:25] Mike: Yeah, sure.
[37:27] Keith: Like I can imagine and in the moment be like? yeah yeah, we used condoms but then like like you know hey I need to come clean about something else too. Um I know that's not what happened but I could a met like in the heat of the moment like telling a brief lie I can imagine. Um.
[37:33] Mike: Yeah, but you know that's not what happened he did it right.
[37:42] Mike: Sure sure just to just to get out of the uncomfortable conversation but he should care about like his health status. But I mean I guess people should always. But if it's if it's your spouse. It's like what what's going on here I mean ah, you're.
[37:45] Keith: Right.
[37:55] Keith: Um, yeah.
[37:57] Mike: Hoping this person. Let's say you came down with some illness you're hoping this person would help you and you're busy. You're busy giving them illnesses like what the fuck. Yeah anyway, so I I guess I completely agree with her although I hear your point that like he could have.
[38:01] Keith: Right? right? I Know it's bad. Um.
[38:13] Mike: Just played it off it depends on intentions matter a bit sure like he he would yeah.
[38:15] Keith: I Think there's a I think there's a lesson in negotiating technique here though which is when you are in a heated or in a in a delicate conversation with a partner. You should be as nice as possible for as long as possible.
[38:21] Mike: Okay.
[38:34] Keith: And create as open an environment for them to share the details that you need and then you should react I think a lot of people when this stuff start happen. They like immediately start flailing around and getting really upset and like accusing like you should you should because you're once the doors close they're going to stop giving you facts.
[38:38] Mike: Um, that's true.
[38:53] Keith: And so um, I'd.
[38:55] Mike: I can hear I like this because I can see so I I feel like you like it's a little people a little arrower slit as it were into your psychology or like I'm imagining that you've gotten into arguments like this with people with ah someone. And you said look you baited me into doing this.
[39:12] Keith: Yes, yeah I think I am much less susceptible to that strategy now I think when I was younger I was much more susceptible. But now if I'm with a partner who is getting worked up about something I am very good at remaining calm and.
[39:14] Mike: Sure.
[39:29] Mike: Oh but that's not exactly my point. My point is that if that he could you're you're developing you're being like his lawyer. You're developing a line of reasoning that he could use where he says look I Only said that because you you upset me.
[39:31] Keith: Ah.
[39:47] Mike: Right? I lied but it's your fault that I lied.
[39:47] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, you you created a situation where I felt like I had no choice but to lie. No right? right? um.
[39:55] Mike: Um, right stop making me hit you.
[40:02] Keith: Right? You ready for our fourth man behaving badly my boyfriend ridiculed me during sex last night now I want to leave him my boyfriend. He's 23 and I I'm 20 have been together for a couple months. He's never been the type for foreplay the most he will do is suck my nipples. Oh I'm magnanimous I can count one hand the amount of times he's.
[40:05] Mike: Um, yeah, so lot of them.
[40:21] Keith: 8 me our sex life is usually good. But last night he kept changing positions and trying to look at my face while I'm trying to finish I kept getting nervous and I couldn't finish and after 10 minutes he pulled out an ass did you finish I said no and he said you're ruining the mood you took too long I literally couldn't help it I just laid there about to cry. I got up. It went to the bathroom to call myself down 5 minutes later he knocked and tells me I'm taking too long and he needs to jerk it so hurry up I close presumably? Yeah yeah, right.
[40:46] Mike: Wait wait wait wait way way wait. He wanted to you go into the bathroom to beat off whoa. Okay, so let's assume they're like a 1 bedroom 1 bathroom apartment. Okay.
[40:58] Keith: I closed the door and got out 3 minutes later he mentally went in and did his business while I got dressed and laid down after I laid down he asked for my phone and started looking through it thoroughly. He didn't find anything I asked for his phone and he didn't give it to me this morning asked I asked for it to get refused to give it to me should I leave now.
[41:10] Mike: Um, what.
[41:13] Mike: Wait How old were these people.
[41:17] Keith: She's 20 He's 23
[41:20] Mike: Um, so a man sometimes ah this generation I Just like a dystopian horrible fest is that a thing. Yeah.
[41:25] Keith: Um, I mean this the number one comment is good. The number what god was good. Wow what a charmer you have found life is too short for bad sex life is too short to deal with selfish lovers who are bad at sex life is too short for childish Brady lovers and life is definitely too short for this. It hit like.
[41:43] Keith: Ah, every turn he's He's an asshole there. It's unbelievable.
[41:46] Mike: But is okay, but hang on is this I mean is this a thing you've heard about in real life of people demanding each other's phones so they can go through the so tell me about that a little bit tell me a bit of.
[41:57] Keith: Yes, this is a thing that happens a ton in Gen Z Relationships nobody ever asks me for my phone because I think it's obvious how I would react to that which would be to break up with him. Um.
[42:04] Mike: Okay.
[42:09] Mike: Would you.
[42:13] Keith: In almost all circumstances I would um if they had probable cause to be suspicious of me of something I still wouldn't let him see my phone. Um, but but I might.
[42:16] Mike: Huh.
[42:21] Mike: Um, what let's okay, hang on. But for the for the middle for the middle aged people in our audience like what what is this even all about what why are they asking to see your what why would someone theoretically asking to see your phone. What are they going to go through.
[42:34] Keith: So there's all kinds of things that they that men can be doing that would make a woman jealous and it could be as knock as innocuous as liking thirst traps ah of you know Instagram models. Um.
[42:40] Mike: Okay.
[42:48] Mike: Okay.
[42:51] Keith: And then it could be as not innocuous as making arrangements to fuck somebody else. Um.
[42:56] Mike: So they look at your well so we we don't have to go through all the we we actually did a an episode few like a month or two ago that was what was it I'll look up the title of it. But basically it was with a person was regarding a person who does these loyalty tests and basically she had a list.
[43:00] Keith: Yeah, right.
[43:12] Keith: Um.
[43:16] Mike: Of places she looks that you were pretty impressed by it was in January actually called loyalty tests phone rummaging but blah blah blah so you can people can go listen to that. Um.
[43:19] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a great list of things that she went through to try to expose him like you would think like okay look at Instagram text messages and you know. Maybe a couple other places but she had like this detailed list of like 20 different things to look at including like Linkedin messages I don't I can't even remember but she was impressive.
[43:33] Mike: Right.
[43:40] Mike: Okay, so that's the rationale but is this is this I mean is there some expectation in gen z relationships that people will exchange phones every week or something and do that I mean is this a normal thing. Okay.
[43:53] Keith: I Don't know I mean I'm an adult and like I said if somebody came at me and asked me to like audit my phone I would like that's such a obvious sign that they don't trust me um I like nobody would ever do that with me.
[44:08] Mike: Um, yeah.
[44:11] Keith: Like I don't seem shady in the first place and even if I did it would be clear that I wouldn't tolerate behavior like that.
[44:19] Mike: Okay, but your impression is that That's a thing that have like that that that fact pattern in this situation is not totally out of bounds that he would demand her phone. He he's assuming that her behavior during sex had to do with cheating Sorry what.
[44:25] Keith: Um, yes.
[44:33] Keith: Oh maybe.
[44:38] Mike: That was why I made more sorry that was I assumed that was why he demanded the phone after jerking off.
[44:40] Keith: Um I I thought it was Apropos of nothing but that's a good point like probably he was insecure that she was not coming and then immediately he's like oh she must be fucking someone else because that's why he wouldn't be coming.
[44:50] Mike: Um, right.
[44:54] Mike: Yeah I don't how like with the amount of information available on the internet now I Just don't know how a guy can be this confused about the female Arousal cycle. It's incredible.
[45:02] Keith: Yeah I think they're just young I think I think it's unreasonable for like a 35 year old to be this confused but for what is he 23 he just may not have had enough reps in yet or spent enough time reading about it.
[45:16] Mike: And also yeah and there was less information available I don't the other thing is where are these guys coming from that have so much hand in these relationships meaning you know what I mean I mean they're just they're just able to behave in this.
[45:18] Keith: Although I obsessed myself learning about it when I was that age. Yeah.
[45:31] Keith: Um, yeah.
[45:35] Mike: Kind of extreme way. It makes me wonder what I could have gotten away with in relationships you know generally I was like pretty nice because part you know in medium measure because I was afraid of losing access to sex. Um, yeah.
[45:47] Keith: Right? I think it depends I think women once they get bound to a man will just tolerate immeasurable amounts of nonsense right? There's like the the battered woman thing where like you know women won't leave even if the guys.
[45:57] Mike: He he.
[46:04] Mike: Right? So they sort of rope them in somehow and then they start behaving like this and she and and the other thing that's curious here is that the woman she implies that she normally would finish wood orgasm in this.
[46:06] Keith: Physically abusive. Um, and then I guess so yeah.
[46:23] Mike: Type of situation which I'm also skeptical about.
[46:25] Keith: Yeah I mean.
[46:30] Mike: There's like a blind leading the blind situation here like she might not. She's like look I I didn't finish but then does she even finish normally does she does She know what an orgasm is like or she she didn't get to what she considers an orgasm but that wasn't you know.
[46:36] Keith: I don't know I mean she's she says our sex life is usually good but before she says that she says he's never done any foreplay the most he'll do is suck her nipples and and she can count on 1 hand the amount of times he's ate her. So. Doesn't sound like the sex life is that great, but you know who am I to judge other than a sex podcast host. Yeah.
[46:59] Mike: Right? Yeah, it's right, It's confusing. Um, yeah, the whole the whole Anyway, the other thing that struck me was I would okay I I guess I had never really considered the notion of a guy. A man demanding a woman's phone but I guess that's a thing I Always imagine it as the woman demanding the man's phone.
[47:23] Keith: It's It's so Beta to like expose your insecurity to your female partner like I don't think you if you suspect she's cheating on you. You should just ah auditing her behavior is not kind of.
[47:27] Mike: Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
[47:41] Keith: Fix anything. It's just going to make her. She's going to cheat if she wasn't.
[47:43] Mike: Um, was it. Ah, someone told me ah, recently that he knows somebody who put a one of those Apple Airtag trackers in his wife's car and he learned that where she goes is where he thinks she goes I never thought of that either meaning he he learned that it's not interesting.
[47:55] Keith: Move.
[48:00] Mike: But he actually I I guess the air tag will give you like a like an actual trace of where the person where where the tag went it doesn't just tell you where it is now I know it does because people put them in their like luggage and watched it go all around the world.
[48:12] Keith: Um, yeah I don't know how that technology works. Do you.
[48:18] Mike: Um, ah it were it uses any iphone that's in the area. That's the trick. Yeah.
[48:22] Keith: So the reason why it's so good is because it so but don't people turn the bluetooth off on their iphone or does it use some other unturn offable.
[48:33] Mike: First of all, first of all, no and secondly it might isn't I'm I'm not up to date enough on it to know whether it's it might be unturn Offable I'm not sure about that. But no, most people have the bluetooth on because otherwise it's a no do you have the bluetooth off on your phone usually.
[48:47] Keith: Well sometimes I don't want notifications on my watch and the quickest way to make that happen is to turn the bluetooth off.
[48:51] Mike: Ok sure. But I think that's sort of that's relatively unusual and also notably you don't have an iphone. You have the extremely high end Google phone.
[48:59] Keith: Right.
[49:06] Mike: That soon I have I've learned like there was some antitrust thing or something and now like Apple's going to force them to allow text messages to be blue. Ah.
[49:09] Keith: Yeah, I'm very very excited about this I read like 2 more things today with people complaining about partners not having Iphones and it infuriates me but soon I won't have to worry about that anymore.
[49:26] Mike: Right? But anyway, yes, so the the air tag thing hijacks people's phones. That's the point and that's why it's able to ah go shockingly well it doesn't have a Gps in it and it's able to like they last like six months or whatever.
[49:28] Keith: Um, all right? you ready go ahead. Yeah.
[49:36] Keith: Right? But don't most committed partners just use the find my friends feature of iphones so you can just.
[49:45] Mike: Sure but he I I don't know and I only know what I told you in the story but I have to assume this person was thinking maybe their partner would leave their phone at home or something and so this is a way to and I mean look look if you're in a like I live in Oakland which is a high crime area. Maybe having one of those in your car.
[49:52] Keith: Right? I got it? yep.
[50:04] Mike: It's like Lojack and you just put put those things on everything so you can I still from I don't know if I talked about I think I bitched about this on the podcast but I had the window of my car broken and people took stuff out of my car and then they just.
[50:08] Keith: It's not a bad idea. Actually I don't have a car but.
[50:21] Mike: Through it somewhere. So I got it all back. So the whole thing was just stupid I still have like just last week cut myself on some of the glass that didn't get fully vacuumed out in my car. Yeah, it's just it's the whole thing is just a negative. It's it's it's like it's like running around spreading Hepatitis or something you're just spreading a disease like it doesn't you know.
[50:30] Keith: That's annoying.
[50:39] Keith: Yeah, well hopefully you recover from your wounds. Um, yeah, it's not great. All right here's I think this is the final what I have.
[50:40] Mike: Anyway. Sort of annoying to be driving along you put your hand in a spot and all of a sudden you're bleeding. Yeah. Um, okay.
[50:57] Keith: Ah, this person wonders if she is too wet for oral throw away because I know a couple people on this sub my 22 year old sorry she's 22 her boyfriend's 25 my boyfriend stopped going down on me and after a while I asked him why he said that sometimes I get too wet. Like when I am giving him a blowjob before and my juices kind of drip down my leg I'm a little upset because I don't know what I'm supposed to do about it I don't know how to control my body's response to being turned on but it's pretty clear that he's grossed out by it. He occasionally goes down on me now and he just wipes me off first.
[51:16] Mike: M.
[51:29] Keith: It's still bothering me though and it's starting to impact my ability to let go and enjoy sex let alone oral makes sense I have good hygiene and we always shower right before sex from my perspective. This is no different than me telling him that I'll go down on him if he doesn't get too hard beforehand and doesn't get fully hard while I give him a blow to hand. This is not a great analogy which seems like. Which seems kind of ridiculous to me. But maybe it's a different situation because I'm a Girl'm Not sure if I'm overreacting to this or how to talk to them about it is this normal like to most guys not really like the female juices. They just kind of deal with them this my first long term boyfriend. So I'm not Sure. Ah.
[52:06] Keith: There is it. It can be too much. Um, usually it's fine. Um, but.
[52:11] Mike: Go on.
[52:19] Mike: Um, wow you're you're pretty negative on this today. You usually this is an act let me to be clear any new listeners or whatever. This is an act that Keith generally enjoys partaking in. Okay, so it's normally more than fine. You're like oh this is cool.
[52:29] Keith: Yes, yes I I like I like going down on women. Um I have been with women who are quite wet and it's mostly neutral.
[52:36] Mike: Okay. Okay.
[52:46] Keith: Ah, maybe slightly negative, but it's certainly not something I would ever communicate to them. Um, but.
[52:53] Mike: Um, does the it does a texture of it matter. Yeah, like is there some other is there some other dimension here. Well like if it's sort of creamier versus more liquidy which can depend on the woman's genetics as well as where she is in her cycle.
[52:55] Keith: Of the fluid say more. And.
[53:11] Keith: Yeah I think Also if there's been some like um I think it can get frothed like um, you know like you can take ah milk and if you you know if you stir it enough. It turns into cream. Um.
[53:11] Mike: That's like a and relatively normal variation.
[53:18] Mike: Sure.
[53:28] Mike: Um, right.
[53:28] Keith: And I think various vaginal Discharge does the same like it starts sort of liquidy and if you ah get enough motion. It can it can change properties. But.
[53:40] Mike: Or if there was another I mean it could. This could be 1 of those cases where you demand the woman's phone because there was some other guy up in there couple hours earlier but ok, ah.
[53:47] Keith: Oh yeah, hope not. Ah but you can occasionally end up in a situation where you go down there and there's just more liquid than ah, average and.
[53:58] Mike: And your your approach isn't just to slurp it up. It is.
[54:03] Keith: I mean that's what you do, but normally it just takes like half a lick but you know in so with certain women. It's like you know first like four licks. It's like Jesus let's really was really be happy to see me here that.
[54:18] Mike: I'm definitely not aroused right now because that actually sounded revolting to me if I was aroused would be well if I was aroused it probably be fine, but it's not all. Yeah oh my lord. Ah, but.
[54:22] Keith: Not great right? That's the thing like you just literally choke it down. It's fine.
[54:35] Mike: I mean you I don't Okay I don't think that it would be out of bounds for somebody to wipe it off to be honest I don't think I don't know why that has to matter.
[54:41] Keith: The problem with that is you're revealing that you don't like something that is totally out of her control about her Genitalia and that that's the that's the kick in the balls. So to speak.
[54:51] Mike: Okay, sure sure it's not totally out of her control. She could like ah think ah depressive thoughts during sex or well think about baseball. Yes, or that sure that's another option. Ah the.
[55:01] Keith: Dehydrate herself for the for the days leading up to the encounter.
[55:09] Mike: Um, I think the analogy and I think you were this I'm sure we were both thinking the same thing that the analogy would be a guy with like a fountain of pre come right? because then it's yeah, that's ah can be aggressive ah and problematic.
[55:17] Keith: Yeah.
[55:24] Keith: I Don't think men get fountains of precumb though I think some men generate more Precu huh.
[55:29] Mike: I've seen it it I've seen it in porn. Yeah I've seen amounts that were surprising even to me.
[55:35] Keith: Right? A true a tricatasaur right? right.
[55:39] Mike: The right I've seen a lot of shit. But yeah I mean I think that I think that um it I Yeah okay, there's an emotional concern she has here that she wants him to that see yeah the see this. I Don't think he has to be a man behaving. Badly I think this could be resolved by just them coming to some sort of reasonable agreement collectively bargaining as you would say.
[56:04] Keith: I can't remember did he say no I would I would I would say litigate because I've been told that you it can't be collective bargaining unless it's 3 or more parties.
[56:12] Mike: I Know multiple right? Well it needs to be multiple people against sort of a central Authority figure I think to be a collective bargain of course in this case, the man would be the central Authority figure. But.
[56:23] Keith: O.
[56:28] Keith: Right? It's just implied. Ah wait are he occasionally goes down on me. He says Yeah, he told her that she guts she gets too wet I Think that's the foul here. He shouldn't have told her or he could have said it go ahead.
[56:31] Mike: Yeah. Um, yeah.
[56:41] Mike: Well I think he could have said it in a positive way. He could have said in a positive way like do you mind if I like I'm not sure how to say this. But you mind if I wipe it off there. You go? yeah.
[56:47] Keith: Yeah. Know you be like holy shit like you but you're you're really wet right? now you bind toify you might dey use a napkin really quick. Yeah, whatever.
[56:59] Mike: Or like a towlers me. Yeah I mean right right? I mean you right? you you make it a positive like it's but I can see a woman and she wasn't clear about where they where they were in the sex act by the way she said she was blowing him and got hot. It got.
[57:04] Keith: You want to be impressed make it a positive right? Like oh you're so aroused by me this is great.
[57:13] Keith: Yeah.
[57:17] Mike: Hot and bothered whatever I was going to say they got aroused maybe he had just come and so he was in the post-nut clarity and then encountered her fluidity. Um, but I can see a woman thinking to herself look I'm going to be dealing with a lot more fluid here than you are.
[57:26] Keith: M.
[57:35] Keith: Yeah, yes I think giving men below jobs is disgusting and so but that can be said about any time anything comes up where a man is not thrilled with the way a woman's body is.
[57:37] Mike: So any amount the guy complains about is kind of problematic. Yeah.
[57:54] Mike: Um, right? Yeah so yeah and I mean.
[57:55] Keith: Men's are definitely worse. They smell worse. There's hair. They're not as pretty. There's weird fluid that comes out of it.
[58:03] Mike: Yeah, and there's definitely an analogy there in the sense that ah generally I think women just at well not at the same level. But ah the one we're trying to say the the moment of orgasm for the guy where the woman gets the treated to the fluid.
[58:20] Mike: Ah, analogously when you first start giving oral sex to the woman that's often quite pleasurable for her so you know so it's sort of there's a high point of the pleasure for her at that moment and so so maybe you should be willing to tolerate more fluid at that moment because it's exciting. Now if you as the guy just nutted the whole thing is right.
[58:39] Keith: I mean all bets are off then right like your Disgust reflex is sort of at a maximum right? after you nut. So.
[58:47] Mike: Right? So that would be another thing. She might not be aware of somehow that that.
[58:55] Keith: Ah, the only way she couldn't be aware of that is if she never listened to our podcast because we've talked about it. Plenty.
[58:58] Mike: I Don't think the people on the sex suburbate listen that much to your mileage may vary and I'm always nervous about posting anything about it there because they'll somehow decide that we're evil and ban us or ban me I've ever been banned from other subreddits.
[59:13] Keith: Yeah, your list of band sub editits is more than the ones you're still allowed on.
[59:19] Mike: No, but yeah, well I got banned from Oakland the Oakland subreddit for for asking about that time when I had that break into my car so that's against the rules here.
[59:33] Keith: Poor baby um all right? That'll do it for this episode of your mileage may vary as a reminder you can contact us at ymmvpod@gmail.com so you can send us feedback. You can ask us questions we pay $10 for feedback so give us your venmo or whatever. Ah, as always thanks for listening and we look forward to having you back for our next episode.

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Episode 166: Men Behaving Badly, Sex Critiques, Condom Lies, Impregnation Fetishes, Too Wet For Oral

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