Your Mileage May Vary: The Orgasm Gap, Diddy's Freak Offs, FWBs, Deep Fornication, Choking While Kissing

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[00:00:00] Mike: Hello, and welcome to Your Mileage May Vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial, but mostly in good faith. I'm your host, Mike, and I'm here with Ali. Ali, how is your search for a more dominant partner going?
[00:00:15] Ally: I have not found any candidates. And I guess you'll tell me if anybody emailed into the podcast email.
[00:00:19] Mike: Zero. No emails.
[00:00:20] Ally: OK.
[00:00:20] Mike: This is amazing. like we're you know And I do get ah data on the geolocation of people, and we do have a substantial listenership in the San Francisco Bay Area. Um, but no.
[00:00:31] Ally: How precise is the geolocation? Like, do you have neighborhoods?
[00:00:35] Mike: Yeah, I mean, it's, well, it's just, ah it's just some, um, free tool online that does IP addresses or something.
[00:00:41] Ally: Yeah. Oh, I'm curious.
[00:00:41] Mike: I can look at the, uh, yeah.
[00:00:42] Ally: I'll look at it later with you, maybe.
[00:00:45] Mike: Well, I mean, we, yeah, I mean, we have, that that episode was listened to, you know, significant number of times. We have people throughout the Bay Area and then, you know, We have ah more of a concentration along the eastern seaboard.
[00:00:56] Mike: I think the population there is higher. And then of course, the diaspora of folks in Australia and South Africa and places like that.
[00:00:58] Ally: ah Yeah.
[00:01:04] Mike: Okay. So tell me you, but you did spend the weekend with this man that you've been seeing who has Peroni's disease.
[00:01:10] Ally: I did, yeah.
[00:01:11] Mike: but Same problem.
[00:01:14] Ally: Same problems. The problems persist. ah And so the question confronting me, I guess, is, you know, how serious do I let this get? Like, how much do I want to prioritize having good sex versus dating someone I really like, who really likes me?
[00:01:29] Mike: Yeah.
[00:01:30] Ally: It's difficult.
[00:01:30] Mike: Well, I think that it's all, it's all important. And okay. So when I just want to, cause I, I talked to a couple of people this week about this Peroni's disease and I described it to them, uh, repeatedly using the sort of link, uh, sort of sausage links where there's like a narrow part in between them an analogy, which I think is wrong.
[00:01:37] Ally: Oh, thank you.
[00:01:50] Mike: What is it like lint when you're giving him oral? What is it like when you're, where is the bend? Is it like halfway down the shaft?
[00:01:56] Ally: I would say maybe like a third of the way down from the tip. There's no narrowing. like the The shaft itself is the right the right diameter and thickness and so on.
[00:02:04] Mike: Okay.
[00:02:04] Ally: It's just like there's a bend.
[00:02:05] Mike: Okay.
[00:02:05] Ally: And then you know how as you're like squeezing the penis, you can feel like a harder like structure kind of below the skin. like I guess I don't know what the different tissues are.
[00:02:15] Mike: Well, they're blood vessels, ultimately, yeah.
[00:02:15] Ally: But there's yeah but there's like a ah different um tissue that's more sponge-like that gets like filled with blood when it's hard. right And so it's that sponge-like tissue that
[00:02:24] Mike: Right.
[00:02:26] Ally: um part of it I guess gets scar tissue and so it bends and so it does feel like there's some discontinuity in that sort of sponge like inner tissue, um but not in the sense of narrowing just like I guess maybe the way that like in your ear you can feel if there's like a separation of cartilage as maybe an example.
[00:02:49] Mike: Okay.
[00:02:50] Ally: um And I also, you know, get the sense from him that it's painful if it bends and there's, there are some kinds of like motions that are painful.
[00:03:01] Ally: And obviously that's hard for me to intuit while I'm doing things. So I feel like I kind of, you know, just stay still and wait for like him to kind of insert it or like move it at first.
[00:03:12] Mike: When you're giving him oral, do you?
[00:03:13] Ally: The oral, it's fine. Like oral works perfectly well.
[00:03:14] Mike: Okay.
[00:03:15] Ally: ah
[00:03:16] Mike: It does. Is that because you stay above the, I mean, can you feel with your lips and tongue the spot?
[00:03:21] Ally: Yeah. And I guess it's okay to have it, you know, in my mouth or something.
[00:03:23] Mike: What is it?
[00:03:26] Ally: There's not like, there's not too many degrees of motion in the mouth.
[00:03:26] Mike: Do you get any urge? Like if you're eating food and there's a weak point in the food, I think there's a natural urge to bite into sort of, you know, to cut the food in that place.
[00:03:36] Mike: Do you ever get an urge to sort of cut off the end of his penis?
[00:03:39] Ally: No, no.
[00:03:40] Mike: Okay. Okay.
[00:03:44] Mike: All right. Well, so we'll, we'll see how that goes. I, we, people who are interested in Peroni's disease and, and, and Allie's search for a more dominant lover from
[00:03:51] Ally: Yeah, people are interested in rescuing me, but yeah.
[00:03:54] Mike: or if, yeah, people want to apply. We've zero candidates so far, which is really interesting.
[00:03:57] Ally: I know. Well, that tracks with my you know other strategies and life generally.
[00:03:59] Mike: um
[00:04:04] Mike: Yeah, it's I'm not sure. ah They can listen to last episode, um but I wanted to talk briefly about Diddy. Now, are you familiar with, Diddy actually was taken into federal custody today, ah or actually yesterday, today we're recording on Tuesday, the 17th of September here.
[00:04:15] Ally: Oh, no, I didn't know this.
[00:04:20] Mike: He got indicted for racketeering, conspiracy, sex trafficking by forced fraud or coercion.
[00:04:22] Ally: Okay.
[00:04:26] Ally: Okay.
[00:04:26] Mike: Not familiar with any of this. Have you been had sex with Diddy?
[00:04:32] Ally: No.
[00:04:33] Mike: Okay. Do you know who Diddy is?
[00:04:34] Ally: I know i know who Diddy is. I did not know that he was was being investigated.
[00:04:39] Mike: Now, it's interesting because there's this this there really is this succession of very successful black men in the entertainment field who've faced these kind of, I mean, maybe it's, maybe it's the same percentage for white, but it's like, you talk about like Bill Cosby, there's someone else, there's been a series of these folks.
[00:04:54] Ally: Mm-hmm.
[00:04:56] Mike: I'm not like going to be able to come up with all the names, but like, yeah, I mean, there's like, oh, there you go.
[00:05:00] Ally: R. Kelly.
[00:05:02] Mike: That's a good example. Um, yeah. And so it's, it's ah some sort of, uh, getting power and then, and then, uh, acting out with that power or something. I'm not sure.
[00:05:12] Ally: Yeah, was daily targeting men or women or both?
[00:05:16] Mike: and Well, I've read online that he there was a significant potentially gay element to it. let Let me give you some detail because I've got this article that I can post in the show notes from the Daily Beast, one of our great publications in the United States. Okay, so he had he would he would do something called Freakoffs.
[00:05:35] Mike: freak off
[00:05:37] Ally: Okay.
[00:05:38] Mike: a freak-off is an elaborate and produced sex performance that he arranged, directed, masturbated during, and often electronically recorded. And that reminds me, by the way, that another one of these was Tiger Woods.
[00:05:48] Mike: Tiger Woods, what I read, and I don't know if this is true, is that he liked to have a bunch of prostitutes or escorts cavort in front of him.
[00:05:49] Ally: Oh, yeah.
[00:05:55] Mike: Kind of similar to this, actually, and then I don't think he recorded it.
[00:05:59] Ally: Okay. So how is this, how is a freak off different from an orgy or did he just want to make his own word for orgy?
[00:06:00] Mike: The sex performance
[00:06:07] Mike: but probably wanted to make his own. Well, I mean, I'm guessing, well, he arranges directs and masturbates during it and records it. So it's more like he's the director of a film, right? He's having, it really does sound like Tiger Woods, actually.
[00:06:17] Ally: Yeah, okay.
[00:06:19] Mike: Maybe he got the idea from him. Um, apparently these, these forms of are so draining that he and his victims typically received IV fluids to recover from the physical exertion and drug use.
[00:06:31] Ally: Okay.
[00:06:32] Mike: Um, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure if this is illegal or so maybe, maybe the recording of it.
[00:06:38] Ally: I mean, were the participants like underage or like unwilling or something?
[00:06:38] Mike: Uh, uh, not sure. I haven't gotten to the end of the article here yet. Um, They, yeah, the victims victims in quotes, I'm not, yeah, okay, they're victims.
[00:06:49] Mike: I believe the women. So and I assume it's women, they don't say that it's only women.
[00:06:53] Ally: OK.
[00:06:53] Mike: So it may not be in fact, their sex performances. So maybe men are required.
[00:06:58] Ally: Yeah.
[00:06:59] Mike: They believed they could not refuse as demands without risking their financial or job security. ah And ah supplies for these performance were were found during raids on his homes, including narcotics and more than 1000 bottles of baby oil and lubricant.
[00:07:13] Ally: Okay.
[00:07:14] Mike: So you're into sort of dominant, you're into dominance.
[00:07:16] Ally: Thousands. Why?
[00:07:18] Mike: Is there anything compelling to you about, about participating in something like this?
[00:07:18] Ally: its just
[00:07:21] Mike: Like he probably did it a lot.
[00:07:21] Ally: No, I've never wanted to do group sex, I guess. Why would he need a thousand bottles of lube? Why? That seems like way too many. Why can't he just get bigger bottles?
[00:07:35] Mike: I mean, it could be like a weekly or biweekly kind of, uh, semi-weekly and then you're, yeah, you're going to get a lot of, you know,
[00:07:36] Ally: yeah that
[00:07:41] Ally: like that Yeah. You know how they sell that like 55 gallon drum of blue on Amazon?
[00:07:44] Mike: Okay.
[00:07:47] Ally: It seems like he could have just bought that and refilled his own bottles.
[00:07:48] Mike: Yeah.
[00:07:51] Ally: I mean, there's a recycling concern here.
[00:07:53] Mike: Well, I think let me, I can use the ah website.
[00:07:54] Ally: How do you singly use bottles?
[00:07:58] Mike: There's a website that tracks the net worth of all these folks and he yeah it says he has $600 million. dollars So he probably could afford just order individual bottles.
[00:08:04] Ally: Yeah. Okay. Okay.
[00:08:06] Mike: Okay.
[00:08:06] Ally: So they're suing him because they were employed by him not to do these videos.
[00:08:07] Mike: so
[00:08:10] Ally: But then he also asked them to do the videos, and they felt that they couldn't say no.
[00:08:14] Mike: No, he they're I don't know if they're suing him, they they could be, but this is actually an indictment, right?
[00:08:16] Ally: OK.
[00:08:18] Mike: So he's in jail.
[00:08:19] Ally: i mean
[00:08:19] Mike: he said he's right As we speak here, he's sitting in jail.
[00:08:20] Ally: and Yeah.
[00:08:23] Mike: ah He's been indicted by the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.
[00:08:26] Ally: Mm-hmm.
[00:08:27] Mike: And this is where, yeah, I mean, so so it's so he was, this is some kind of like sex, sexual abuse, say you know, a sex crime that's been committed in addition potentially to other things.
[00:08:37] Ally: Okay.
[00:08:39] Mike: Okay, so that, have you ever had sex in a way that required you to have IV fluids afterward?
[00:08:44] Ally: No, I'm kind of interested in that.
[00:08:47] Mike: Okay.
[00:08:49] Mike: Could you, do you think there have ever, I guess there was, do you think there's ever been a woman that hosted something like this? Do women set up orgies?
[00:08:55] Ally: Yeah, didn't Jelaine Maxwell?
[00:08:58] Mike: No, but I mean like set it up so she's the person on the chair in the middle of the room.
[00:08:58] Ally: like Oh, yeah, probably. um
[00:09:04] Mike: Have you, so have you seen, by the way, there's a porn of a woman who her fetish or her, well, look, there's often a man behind these things, so I don't know, but she, in the porn, you might like this porn actually, she sets herself up as like kind of a 18th century queen.
[00:09:14] Ally: um
[00:09:20] Mike: She's wearing that kind of costume and she sits on a couch and then these men come service her like a series of men.
[00:09:24] Ally: Okay.
[00:09:26] Mike: Is that appealing to you?
[00:09:28] Ally: Sure. I like a scenario driven interlude.
[00:09:31] Mike: Right. Okay.
[00:09:35] Ally: I guess it depends how they're servicing her. So this is like a a famous porn or something? Is it a really elaborate costume? Is that why you like it?
[00:09:44] Mike: Oh, it's ah like I think it shows up it shows up for certain types of searches online. So I've seen it repeatedly surface in various settings.
[00:09:52] Ally: but yeah
[00:09:54] Mike: um No, it's not it's not necessarily one that I find particularly compelling, but it is this kind of situation organized by a single woman you know, with multiple men.
[00:10:04] Mike: So it's kind of the the gender reversal of this freak off concept, although much more tame than it sounds like this was and probably not thousands of bottles of lubricant either.
[00:10:05] Ally: yeah
[00:10:08] Ally: yeah
[00:10:13] Ally: Right. right I'm sure that some famous woman has organized orgy with men. I think the difference is that like, well, I don't know what kind of coercion these people are alleging that titty provided or employed, but I would imagine that a woman organizing this with men would find relatively willing participants who just would want like a little bit of money or something.
[00:10:37] Mike: Yeah, yeah. So you've never, you' you've never been propositioned for an orgy. You've never participated in one.
[00:10:43] Ally: but and I've never been propositioned for an orgy.
[00:10:43] Mike: you
[00:10:45] Ally: I've never participated in an orgy.
[00:10:47] Mike: how How were you propositioned?
[00:10:49] Ally: Oh, in college, um my dorm would have various parties and some of these parties would kind of devolve into ah group sex opportunities that I declined to participate in.
[00:10:49] Mike: It wasn't, it wasn't. busyty Okay, go on.
[00:11:01] Mike: and Okay. And how are you proposition? You just everybody started getting naked. And so you left the room or the basement?
[00:11:10] Ally: I think I was you know invited to come to like somebody's suite or like to come down to the basement or something and just didn't. ah
[00:11:19] Mike: What was it a finished basement or just concrete?
[00:11:19] Ally: Mm-hmm. No. It was an unfinished basement that had a bunch of couches and stuff in it that we would hang out in.
[00:11:29] Mike: I would think, I mean, being in some sort of like concrete room might actually ah appeal to you because it's kind of aggressive and something kind of dirty might happen in there.
[00:11:29] Ally: In my door.
[00:11:36] Ally: Yeah. Yeah, that would appeal. I just really like one-on-one, you know? I like all of somebody's attention.
[00:11:42] Mike: ah So when when these propositions would be made, was it primarily men going to participate in this or women or do you remember?
[00:11:53] Ally: It was men doing the and inviting. um I think they were aiming for kind of like a 50-50 ratio.
[00:11:56] Mike: Maybe it was a joke.
[00:12:01] Mike: I don't know if men generally want a 50-50 ratio. I think 80-20 women to men is what a man would want.
[00:12:07] Ally: Oh, OK. Yeah.
[00:12:09] Mike: But and unfortunately, if you actually i think I think if you go into one of these situations as a man, typically the ratio is like 199, one woman for 99 men.
[00:12:20] Ally: Hmm. Yeah.
[00:12:21] Mike: That's my general impression.
[00:12:23] Ally: Well, I'm sure you've seen the Aiella gangbang chart, right? The like Sankey diagram of like participants in her birthday orgy.
[00:12:30] Mike: I don't know if I have described it.
[00:12:33] Ally: Oh, so it's this kind of like flow chart. There's a style of diagram that is in where it shows like how many people she invited, how many people said yes, how many people showed up, how many people came, where they came and so on.
[00:12:41] Mike: Sure.
[00:12:44] Ally: um And I guess her event, you know, was organized to have a particular ratio. But I was wondering like, if you're a man going to an orgy, as we've talked about, like men can basically come once and then they're kind of useless for the next 30 minutes or something.
[00:12:59] Ally: So like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not even thinking about the benefit to me, but like if you went to an orgy, ah would it really matter to you the ratio because you're just gonna show up for as long as it takes you to come and then it presumably leave?
[00:13:00] Mike: They could still, they could still beat you.
[00:13:06] Mike: Okay.
[00:13:15] Ally: Or would you stay to watch even after you've come?
[00:13:18] Mike: It's a really good question. I have not really given this much thought. um I think that would be an issue that guys would, it would ah particularly if there are other men there.
[00:13:26] Ally: would leave. m
[00:13:29] Mike: So after orgasming, watching other men's penises, it would already not be great. But then at that point, it would become really not great.
[00:13:35] Ally: Yeah.
[00:13:36] Mike: And so I think I would be inclined to
[00:13:37] Ally: Were
[00:13:39] Mike: be less interested. So yeah, that's probably a problem that got the guys.
[00:13:40] Ally: you ever invited to NRG?
[00:13:43] Mike: I mean, I don't think this is the primary reason why women would not want to participate in an orgy, but I could see it being a practical issue. The guys just winds up all women.
[00:13:51] Ally: yeah were you ever invited to an orgy
[00:13:54] Mike: No, I've never been invited to an orgy.
[00:13:55] Ally: and good okay
[00:13:57] Mike: No, I think that I think that the I think that it's like you said, it's usually men doing the inviting. So they're gonna invite women. But also, I think the men would be worried that I would outperform them.
[00:14:03] Ally: Yeah.
[00:14:06] Ally: Of course, yeah.
[00:14:07] Mike: sexually. And so then they would be, you know, they'd be concerned or i somehow like I would wind up with all the women. Makes sense, right?
[00:14:13] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:14:15] Mike: And they would just have to have sex with each other.
[00:14:18] Ally: Right.
[00:14:19] Mike: OK.
[00:14:21] Mike: Diddy, it says he recruited and advertised to get what they call sex trafficking victims.
[00:14:25] Ally: Hmm.
[00:14:27] Mike: Hmm. Do you think do you what do you think? Do you feel like what do you think about the general kind of description of prostitutes and escorts as frequently sex trafficking victims.
[00:14:41] Mike: Do you think that that's a fair characterization or do you think it's sort of pushing a narrative?
[00:14:45] Ally: Well, it's a broad category. I mean, some are, I'm sure. And then some choose to to do sex work.
[00:14:53] Mike: I mean,
[00:14:54] Ally: Actually, I was looking at it like a in Europe, and they offered a discount to like you know the elderly teachers, children, and sex workers. And I was like, oh, that's very progressive.
[00:15:06] Mike: Those are probably people that are voluntarily sex workers, though. It's not.
[00:15:10] Ally: Well, yeah, I guess if you're going to see if you're going to see a comedy show in Belgium and you're like, I would like the sex worker discount, you're probably not the victim of trafficking. But yeah, i mean i'm I'm sure that some yeah, I'm sure that some prostitutes are victims of this and like, you know, pimps can be violent and and coercive in that way.
[00:15:20] Mike: OK, yeah, I always want.
[00:15:30] Ally: And
[00:15:31] Mike: To me, I always think it's more i mean because if you're if you're ever out of the.
[00:15:31] Ally: ah
[00:15:36] Mike: vicinity of the pimp or whatever you can get away. So then it's more complicated, right? It's a drug addiction or some kind of like, but, but there are these situations and I think, um, I think this happens.
[00:15:48] Mike: I think the most the canonical example of this is the Asian massage parlor. I think some of those women and they're actually like, they're not allowed to leave.
[00:15:52] Ally: Yeah.
[00:15:56] Ally: Yeah, I mean, maybe the doors are locked or something or like they take away their passports or they just don't have any money or like they take away their shoes or something.
[00:15:56] Mike: And that's like, yeah, right.
[00:16:04] Ally: So it's like how far could they get?
[00:16:05] Mike: Right.
[00:16:06] Ally: And then they're worried if they escape and they're caught, then they're going to get hurt.
[00:16:11] Mike: Right. I wonder if the if a man can sort of determine, can can tell that that's what's going on. Maybe men who are receiving that service don't actually care. Maybe it makes it hotter actually.
[00:16:21] Mike: It's sort of, yeah, you're like, oh yeah, she doesn't want to be doing this. My my dick is so scary to her. Gross.
[00:16:29] Ally: Yeah, I hope that men can tell whether you actually want to do what you're doing or not.
[00:16:29] Mike: Yeah.
[00:16:35] Ally: But um mean yeah,
[00:16:35] Mike: I mean, I don't think it matters to most men because if it did, then like strip clubs wouldn't exist. Yeah, because strippers.
[00:16:42] Ally: there's probably some strippers who enjoy it though.
[00:16:45] Mike: No, I mean, not much. That's the problem. I mean, the problem that I always have with strip clubs is just that like they have this vacant look in their eye and they clearly don't want to be there in general.
[00:16:52] Ally: o
[00:16:53] Mike: It's just not. It's ah they're not. It's hard to act.
[00:16:57] Ally: Yeah.
[00:16:58] Mike: Look, it's hard enough. It's hard. It's hard for women to act in porn as well.
[00:17:01] Ally: Well, do you notice when your waitress doesn't want to be there?
[00:17:01] Mike: I think it's.
[00:17:05] Mike: Yeah, I do.
[00:17:06] Ally: Yeah, OK.
[00:17:07] Mike: Yeah.
[00:17:07] Ally: Because I was going to say probably about half the time they don't, right? Like it's a job.
[00:17:10] Mike: mostly Yeah, it's it sucks. like Most of the time they're kind of bummed out.
[00:17:11] Ally: and
[00:17:14] Mike: sos you can sort of yeah that actually is ah like i It's an interesting point.
[00:17:14] Ally: Yeah.
[00:17:17] Mike: i I think I prefer restaurants where you get the food at a counter or yeah where there isn't a waiter or waitress in that in that sense just because it's always kind of a shitty interaction because they don't they' want to be doing that.
[00:17:22] Ally: Mm-hmm.
[00:17:26] Ally: Mm-hmm.
[00:17:31] Mike: they want What they want is to get on that universal basic income and just watch their phone all day.
[00:17:36] Ally: Okay.
[00:17:36] Mike: Okay, it says he used allegedly kidnapping or arson to get his way.
[00:17:39] Ally: Mm-hmm. How?
[00:17:43] Mike: Has anybody?
[00:17:44] Ally: How do you use arms?
[00:17:45] Mike: Yes. Yeah, they alleged they alleged that he blew up somebody's car in his driveway.
[00:17:48] Ally: yeah
[00:17:52] Ally: to get him when he blew up somebody's car to get them to have sex with him.
[00:17:56] Mike: no I think it was to to should show his dominance. This is a very dominant man. I think he might be looking for, you know the sometimes people who are in prison look for a woman to marry.
[00:18:00] Ally: and okay
[00:18:06] Mike: Maybe maybe this is your what you, in fact, you can imagine having sort of a vanilla relationship maybe with this gentleman with Peroni's disease and then having a um conjugal visits with Diddy as your kind of dominant
[00:18:18] Ally: I don't think that would be nearly frequent enough, um nor, you know, diverse in location enough.
[00:18:24] Mike: Yeah. Okay. Right. Cause you want, you want three times a week.
[00:18:25] Ally: And also like, yeah, I guess we should clarify for our listeners too.
[00:18:27] Mike: Right.
[00:18:29] Ally: I'm pretty much only interested in white guys, so.
[00:18:33] Mike: Why is that?
[00:18:34] Ally: Because I'm white.
[00:18:36] Mike: All right. So you, you're looking for the, uh, just, just sort of similarity.
[00:18:41] Ally: Just a general affinity match, yeah.
[00:18:44] Mike: Yeah.
[00:18:44] Ally: Yeah, I don't know.
[00:18:44] Mike: Okay. Not that you have some problem. Uh, I mean, do you have a problem with native Americans or?
[00:18:50] Ally: Oh, no.
[00:18:50] Mike: I mean,
[00:18:50] Ally: Okay. so like ah Native Americans are fine.
[00:18:54] Ally: I dated a Hispanic guy.
[00:18:54] Mike: Wait, wait.
[00:18:56] Ally: That was okay. I probably wouldn't do it again. I feel like I have more in common with people who are more similar to me.
[00:19:03] Mike: So you have a specific problem with black guys.
[00:19:06] Ally: I wouldn't say a problem. just like ah and Whatever the opposite of a preference is.
[00:19:13] Mike: You're not attractive. Okay.
[00:19:14] Ally: Yeah. yeah
[00:19:14] Mike: Now is it penis size or something else?
[00:19:17] Ally: No, I mean, if it were penis size, I would probably, you know, stereotypically make them better.
[00:19:22] Mike: Just like
[00:19:22] Ally: No, it's just like you, I feel like these preferences are formed very early and, you know, possibly somewhat innate in terms of like, what kinds of facial features in particular are attractive or like familiar to you, you know?
[00:19:42] Mike: I don't know. that's This is sounding pretty racist. Maybe you should go see the movie Am I Racist ah and decenter your whiteness?
[00:19:46] Ally: Maybe. Everyone's a little bit racist, as I know, from musicals.
[00:19:49] Mike: You you need you need to decolonize your yourself on the on these thought process.
[00:19:53] Ally: Yeah.
[00:19:54] Mike: You might want to consider dating more diversely just to sort of learn a little. This is something that I've practiced in my life and it's been useful.
[00:20:02] Ally: Right. No, I know. We talked about that.
[00:20:04] Mike: Okay. All right. I've got a couple other things here. um So somebody posted on a TIL, today I learned on Reddit, and about orgasm gaps. ah between You know what the orgasm gap is, Ali?
[00:20:20] Ally: Oh, yeah, like the wage gap, but for orgasms.
[00:20:23] Mike: Right. So so this there's a person here who says, ah that they've asked thousands of women and this women this question. and The question is, what is your most reliable route to orgasm?
[00:20:34] Mike: but What's your answer to that, Allie?
[00:20:35] Ally: ah Masturbation.
[00:20:37] Mike: Okay. And out of the thousands of first people they've asked, only 4% say penetration, 96% say clitoral stimulation alone or paired with penetration. Do you ever do you ever get orgasms through clitoral stimulation during penetration?
[00:20:47] Ally: Oh, yeah.
[00:20:52] Ally: Yes.
[00:20:53] Mike: But it's annoying, right? you prefer You said last episode that you prefer to have him
[00:20:56] Ally: It's not annoying. It takes longer. and well so I have recent experience with this. like It's difficult to give someone guidance ah verbally in terms of what to do.
[00:21:08] Ally: like
[00:21:09] Mike: No, this would be you stimulating your own clit while he's fucking you.
[00:21:12] Ally: oh um So I've done that while he's fingering me.
[00:21:15] Mike: You could be in it.
[00:21:17] Ally: i I think I have done that while being penetrated also. The problem with like ah doing it while a penis is inside me is like there's um not a whole lot of room.
[00:21:28] Mike: What if you were in the doggy style position?
[00:21:29] Ally: Because, you know, like, oh, yeah. That's actually, like, I think we talked about this before. like I much prefer and find it easier to come when I'm lying on my back versus any other position.
[00:21:41] Ally: So actually, like, maybe I should work on that.
[00:21:47] Mike: Okay. so ah So you're a scientist, right?
[00:21:48] Ally: ah
[00:21:51] Mike: You have a science background.
[00:21:52] Ally: with
[00:21:52] Mike: And when you have 96% of people saying that one way works and 4% are saying the other, like one could posit the possibility that the numbers actually are a hundred and zero, right?
[00:22:03] Mike: That would be like a reasonable question to ask, like whether the four is in the the error bars there.
[00:22:05] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:22:08] Mike: um
[00:22:08] Ally: Isn't 4% like Blizzard man's constant where it's like anybody filling out a survey is going to click a weird option 4% of the time?
[00:22:15] Mike: Right. Yeah. Basically, if there's an option which nobody should ever click, you'll get 4% there. That's actually a really good point.
[00:22:20] Ally: Yeah.
[00:22:21] Mike: And so I noticed this article because it this is sort of my theory is that the number actually is zero. That basically women, the the in this case, 4% of women saying that they orgasm through penetration alone,
[00:22:39] Mike: ah that they either don't know what an orgasm is or they are lying. What do you think about that?
[00:22:46] Ally: Yeah. And I think some of the difficulty is that penetration feels really good. It feels amazing to have a cock inside you. And so I could imagine maybe some women are either conflating that or they want to somehow indicate in this survey that like that part you know is it is part of sex that feels really good, but it doesn't give you an orgasm.
[00:23:07] Mike: Can you describe more how it feels amazing to have a cock inside of you?
[00:23:15] Ally: i
[00:23:15] Mike: Like, you know, I think our listeners would like kind of a more detailed description of, of, of what's going on there.
[00:23:20] Ally: Well, if they've never tried it, like if you've never, I mean, maybe you should try having a cock inside you if you haven't.
[00:23:24] Mike: I don't think it would work the same without the female genitalia.
[00:23:27] Ally: Probably not, yeah. Well, so, you know, the G spot, whether or not you believe that exists, right? Like that's just like a sensitive area inside the vaginal canal.
[00:23:35] Mike: Okay. and crime
[00:23:37] Ally: And so I imagine like having, you know, I imagine that that is something that makes it feel good when a cock is pressing up against it. So I think that's part of it. um there is some you know friction between like his pelvis ah against your clit.
[00:23:55] Ally: And also, like the clit, as you know, is a larger sort of superstructure like inside you.
[00:23:58] Mike: Sure.
[00:24:00] Ally: And so I think there's some like pressure against other parts of it that feel good also.
[00:24:05] Mike: and Okay. And, uh, is there some benefit or pleasurable feeling you get just from being stretched?
[00:24:13] Ally: um Yeah. I would think that's not a huge component of it.
[00:24:16] Mike: Okay.
[00:24:19] Ally: um
[00:24:19] Mike: But what makes you say it's amazing or it feels incredible or whatever you said before? Like what's, what's, what's the thing that kind of, what's the key thing about it that makes you say that? Is it the, the, just the physical touch, the closeness, uh, the, the submission of having somebody's body part put inside of you?
[00:24:34] Ally: Yeah, all of that. I mean, the the physical sensation, like knowing that he's aroused and wants to do this with you. um Yeah, like getting a sense of like his sort of you know urgency or enjoyment of it.
[00:24:41] Mike: Okay.
[00:24:46] Ally: um
[00:24:47] Mike: Okay. So it's not purely physical. A lot of it's psychological.
[00:24:52] Ally: Yeah, yeah. And so I think, you know, if given the choice between like, would I want to have sex where he is, you know, fingering me and I do come versus where he's
[00:24:54] Mike: Okay.
[00:25:05] Ally: penetrating me with his cock and I don't come, I think I would choose the latter because that's both a more unique sensation.
[00:25:10] Mike: Hmm.
[00:25:13] Ally: you know I can't replicate that on my own masturbating. and it um is it you know a different sensation. like Because it's almost like when when a guy is fingering me to get me to come, it's like, well, I can do this myself, like kind of better and faster. So it's like, why are we doing this instead of and instead of penis stuff?
[00:25:36] Mike: Okay, so the so there's this thing that you can do with the guy that you can't do by yourself, and that's what you're more interested in.
[00:25:41] Ally: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
[00:25:43] Mike: That makes sense. And so men are fortunate in that the thing that they, the thing that they that they whatever uniquely can do, that their their version of that does kind of typically lead to orgasm.
[00:25:56] Mike: Some men have a better anatomy that way.
[00:25:56] Ally: Yeah. And maybe for you, it's like you know you why hand jobs are not as exciting to guys because you're like, well, I can do this myself. you know You'd rather do something you can't do.
[00:26:04] Mike: And better, women don't have the forearm strength or the sort of wrist stability.
[00:26:05] Ally: Yeah, exactly.
[00:26:11] Ally: Oh, OK.
[00:26:12] Mike: Yeah. Well, women, it's true.
[00:26:13] Ally: I know there's a lot of variation, too, in how guys want hand jobs, like how fast, how tight, and so on.
[00:26:14] Mike: it's
[00:26:19] Ally: and like
[00:26:20] Mike: It's not, I think it might be biceps actually women's arms tire. They're not able to continue that motion long, but I've talked about this before. I think that's partly because women typically are doing it with the cock facing toward them.
[00:26:30] Mike: Whereas the guy, like the guy is in a better, the guy's arm is any better aligned position.
[00:26:31] Ally: Yeah.
[00:26:35] Ally: How long does it take you?
[00:26:36] Mike: It depends on how many games of chess I play in the middle.
[00:26:37] Ally: like How long are you masturbating for?
[00:26:43] Mike: Uh, so, uh, you know, it could take,
[00:26:46] Ally: Assuming zero games of chess, yeah.
[00:26:48] Mike: It could take four to six hours. No, probably 15 minutes realistically.
[00:26:55] Ally: 15 minutes, really?
[00:26:55] Mike: i mean depends Well, it depends on the quality of the porn that's accessible.
[00:27:00] Ally: That seems like a long time to me.
[00:27:00] Mike: yeah
[00:27:02] Mike: Well, not continuously beating off. not going Yeah, there's just going to be some
[00:27:06] Ally: OK. But if you yeah if you were very dedicated and you were like, you know I'm just going to start and then go until I finish.
[00:27:12] Mike: It's probably like five minutes.
[00:27:13] Ally: OK. OK. That's more reasonable.
[00:27:14] Mike: If there was like an urgency to, particularly and in in that situation where you have urgency to do it quickly, ah you're going to come faster because like there's an urgency, which presumably it's not, it's not like, oh, somebody's paying me.
[00:27:25] Ally: yeah
[00:27:28] Mike: I have to do it in the next five minutes. It's going to be like, because you're you horny and you want to get off.
[00:27:32] Ally: Yeah. Do you masturbate at like the same time during the day?
[00:27:33] Mike: Yeah.
[00:27:36] Ally: like Or is it just kind of as the mood strikes you?
[00:27:39] Mike: I would say it's more of the latter.
[00:27:41] Ally: OK.
[00:27:42] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. You were, your next question was going to be exactly what times you could set a clock to be like, Oh, here's what's going on here.
[00:27:46] Ally: That's nice, right?
[00:27:49] Mike: I got it.
[00:27:50] Ally: A little alarm. Are you more of like a morning person or an evening person or both?
[00:27:51] Mike: Yeah.
[00:27:55] Mike: I'd say both. Yeah.
[00:27:56] Ally: OK.
[00:27:56] Mike: It doesn't really matter. Men are pretty equal opportunity.
[00:27:58] Ally: Mm-hmm.
[00:27:59] Mike: Why is it a women you think ah have more of a schedule? That would make sense.
[00:28:04] Ally: more of a schedule necessarily. I think as we talked about before, like I find it easier, more enjoyable whenever to have sex at night. I've noticed that a lot of men want to have sex in the morning.
[00:28:16] Ally: I was wondering if that holds for masturbation too, like you want to do it first thing as soon as you wake up or is it more like, you know, at night you've had a glass of wine.
[00:28:24] Mike: No, it doesn't matter.
[00:28:27] Mike: Glass of wine will definitely slow it down, right?
[00:28:30] Ally: Oh, okay. See, I think that makes it easier for me.
[00:28:31] Mike: A little bit, at least.
[00:28:34] Mike: Do you think it's easier for you to orgasm after alcohol?
[00:28:38] Ally: Yeah.
[00:28:39] Mike: That's interesting.
[00:28:40] Ally: It increases blood flow, right? I think it would make sense that it would.
[00:28:45] Mike: For men, it definitely slows it down.
[00:28:48] Ally: Okay.
[00:28:49] Mike: I mean, for like a 19 year old, it's not gonna make much of a difference, but generally it slows it down. um Yeah, so here's a yes here's somebody else on Reddit saying,
[00:29:01] Mike: ah surveys say that between 70% and 80% of women seldom are never never orga orgasm from just PIV. So this is like this is the other extreme where it's like, oh, so 20% or 30% are.
[00:29:08] Ally: Yeah.
[00:29:14] Mike: Yeah, i I continue to think it's um closer to zero than people want to want to admit.
[00:29:19] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:29:20] Mike: um I don't know if I've ever in a porn. So there are porns where women really do orgasm, ah but it's always in a situation where it's sort of believable. Meaning, like I saw a porn yesterday where they had a man and woman had sex and then afterward she masturbated. And like it was completely believable that she actually orgasmed. like it was its It seemed real.
[00:29:45] Mike: I don't know if I've ever seen a porn where a woman just in PIV had what I thought, like what what believably seemed to be an orgasm.
[00:29:45] Ally: Yeah.
[00:29:51] Mike: And the reason why I don't, obviously I'm not there like feeling her anus to make sure it contracts or anything.
[00:29:55] Ally: but
[00:29:57] Mike: It's just that I think that it's very hard for people to simulate the facial expression and the sort of how they behave during an orgasm.
[00:30:03] Ally: oh Yeah, right. Because you would never know what your face does during that. You've never seen it. Yeah.
[00:30:09] Mike: Yeah, I just think they have i think they have a really hard time. they I mean, look, they could do some method acting and get better at it. But for whatever reason, women in porn don't typically do that.
[00:30:20] Ally: So have you noticed when having sex, if a woman fakes an orgasm, like, do you feel like you can tell 100% of the time, 50% of the time? I know you're going to say it's never happened, but like, yeah.
[00:30:30] Mike: npr In
[00:30:35] Mike: i mean so okay This is a good question. ah so I had a partner long ago who seemed to have orgasms during PIV a lot.
[00:30:46] Mike: I have since decided that they were all fake.
[00:30:49] Ally: Okay.
[00:30:50] Mike: This is the thing. so people i'm not um yeah like People don't
[00:30:53] Ally: And do you think she ever had a real orgasm around you or like you would not be able to tell?
[00:30:56] Mike: That's a great question. I don't know. I don't know. There would be no way of knowing. Well, I mean, the only way to know even having a conversation with this person about this would be difficult, right? Because people aren't going to be honest, maybe with themselves.
[00:31:06] Ally: ah you
[00:31:06] Mike: But my suspicion is that she didn't know what an orgasm was.
[00:31:08] Ally: Yeah.
[00:31:11] Ally: Oh, okay.
[00:31:11] Mike: And so she was sort of going through some sort of like physical a thing that she thought was supposed to happen or or something. But that but yeah, it just what like in retrospect, like it's just not the the
[00:31:17] Ally: Yeah.
[00:31:23] Mike: the things that were happening are not plausible to me anymore.
[00:31:25] Ally: Yeah.
[00:31:25] Mike: It's like, oh, this wasn't.
[00:31:26] Ally: That's a very kind assumption that you think that she was not purposefully deceiving you, that she was in a way fooling herself even more. Like my experience with it is that at some point you feel like, you know, I want this to end.
[00:31:38] Ally: I don't want him to feel bad that what he's doing isn't working. I don't see a good way to like explain to him what to do to make it work. So I'm just going to pretend and then like, you know, he'll be happy thinking that it worked.
[00:31:52] Ally: We can do, you know,
[00:31:52] Mike: How many times do you think you've faked an orgasm in your life?
[00:31:55] Ally: Oh god, like, <unk> not a lot.
[00:31:57] Mike: Oh, wow. A hundreds.
[00:31:59] Ally: I'm not 100. I mean, i don't I don't even know how many times I've had sex in my life. I'm not 100, so maybe like, you know, high tens.
[00:32:08] Mike: Okay. And what do you, so how, how, how convincing do you feel like you need to be? Yeah, you don't have to like do it, but I'm curious how, how convincing you feel like it needs to be. I mean, is yeah.
[00:32:18] Ally: Yeah, I mean, I don't, so I don't feel like it's that convincing is the thing.
[00:32:23] Mike: Do you say I'm i'm coming?
[00:32:23] Ally: um No, i know i've never I don't announce. that's like I feel like a very masculine thing to do.
[00:32:30] Mike: Sure.
[00:32:30] Ally: No, you'll you'll like escalate and in moaning or whatever and then shiver
[00:32:36] Mike: Kind of what?
[00:32:36] Ally: in some way, kind of like make some kind of you know decisive motion with your hips.
[00:32:41] Mike: And is he usually during PIV or like he's trying to pleasure you?
[00:32:44] Ally: No, so i don't I don't feel the need to fake during PIV because I feel like neither of us are expecting that I'm going to come during PIV.
[00:32:44] Mike: with this Okay.
[00:32:50] Ally: It's like if he's fingering me and it's just like not going to happen.
[00:32:50] Mike: Okay.
[00:32:54] Mike: but do you Okay, so then this...
[00:32:54] Ally: These guys feel bad about it. like They've said afterward, if I don't fake it, and I was just like, oh, let's do something else. They feel bad. And they're like, you know is it what was I doing wrong? like Didn't that feel good? And it's like, it did feel good. It just wasn't going to work out.
[00:33:06] Mike: ah So here's the here's my key question. When you fake in that situation, do you ah do you tense up your muscles of your anus and vagina to make it like repetitively to make him think that that happened or not?
[00:33:08] Ally: um
[00:33:23] Ally: No, no.
[00:33:24] Mike: So he could actually easily tell that you're not really having an orgasm.
[00:33:26] Ally: Yeah, I think so.
[00:33:27] Mike: And nobody's ever been like, huh, in the high, like we're saying like between 50 and a hundred times you've done this, no guy has been suspicious or like wanted to talk about it afterward or been like their demeanor changed.
[00:33:30] Ally: No,
[00:33:40] Ally: no I think guys either truly don't care or they understand it for the polite fiction that it is and you know they were also kind of ready to stop but didn't want to just like give up.
[00:33:52] Ally: Don't you reach that point where like, you know, you he's been trying for, I don't know, like you said, like 10 or 15 minutes, and like, it's not really progressing. And like, maybe you kind of want to stop, he kind of wants to stop.
[00:34:00] Mike: Sure.
[00:34:02] Ally: But it would it would be rude to say like, hey, I'm gonna stop doing this. you know
[00:34:07] Mike: So you think that the guy knows you're faking and is just fine with it.
[00:34:12] Ally: Yeah.
[00:34:13] Mike: That's not what, that's not right. I'm telling you right now, I'm telling you right now, like, cause if the guy's been doing that, like he's dedicated to it, did you, did you have a partner where you did this repeatedly?
[00:34:18] Ally: Okay. Okay.
[00:34:21] Ally: everything
[00:34:24] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:34:25] Mike: Did you have a partner where you only did this and you never, he never managed to get you over the edge?
[00:34:29] Ally: No, every partner I've had, they like have managed to get me to come, but just not like every single time.
[00:34:35] Mike: Okay. And yeah, they, no, they, they, no, they don't.
[00:34:40] Ally: They don't know.
[00:34:40] Mike: The thing that's shocking to me is that they can't tell the physiological difference because if you're doing PIV, like then it's going to be a little harder to tell because your penis is not exactly the best way to measure tactile sensations, but your fingers can in your hand and so forth, like you can definitely feel what's going on.
[00:34:45] Ally: Right.
[00:34:58] Mike: Um, and so it's, yeah.
[00:34:59] Ally: Yeah. So I guess I haven't done this if a guy actually had a finger inside me, because then I feel like he would be able to tell.
[00:35:07] Mike: Aha.
[00:35:08] Ally: But usually the way the guy's finger of me, I guess, is that they like they're just rubbing the clit. There's no like additional finger inside.
[00:35:16] Mike: I see.
[00:35:16] Ally: um
[00:35:16] Mike: So there you go. So you wouldn't be able to tell necessarily. So you actually.
[00:35:22] Mike: So if you're if if you're in this situation where sex is taking too long, have you ever asked a guy to remove his finger so then you can fake your orgasm?
[00:35:33] Ally: No, actually what I did recently was asked if like if I could take over kind of doing the clip stuff and he could just do the finger inside stuff and that actually worked great. I think that's a good compromise.
[00:35:43] Mike: You were able to orgasm then, but I'm saying for faking like, so see you can get into this difficult situation where he's got a finger inside your vagina.
[00:35:44] Ally: Yeah.
[00:35:51] Mike: So you can't, you feel uncomfortable faking. And then what do you do? Then you have to just have actually admit that you're not going to come.
[00:35:57] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:35:58] Mike: Okay. All right. Yeah. It's sort of a complicated heuristics heuristics. You have to run through here.
[00:36:04] Ally: Is it enjoyable to you or to a man to actually feel that your partner is coming? like If you do have a finger inside her, is it nice to be able to feel that it's real?
[00:36:13] Mike: Of course, because of course because like it's it's because because generally in our society or in societies, generally women are sort of you know very controlled in the way they comport themselves.
[00:36:28] Mike: you know Women tend to you know not do crazy things and so forth. And so, yeah, this is like you've made you've taken a woman to the point where she's like losing control of her body. So that feels very arousing to a guy.
[00:36:37] Ally: Oh, okay.
[00:36:39] Mike: Does that make sense?
[00:36:39] Ally: Good to know. Yeah.
[00:36:40] Mike: Yeah. ah Whereas I don't, yeah, I mean, I don't think there's some analogy for guys because guys are already wild and crazy.
[00:36:49] Ally: Okay.
[00:36:50] Mike: Okay. and So there's another post here. uh, about condom use right before entering. I know that you are on your own form of birth, birth control. However, you have occasion to have early sex with new sex partners. Uh, this person says, is there a term for when, uh, when you're, when bad grammar, but when you didn't talk about condoms prior to having sex for the first time, but assumed you would. And the guy when you're getting it on starts telling you, I promise I won't come in you and doesn't want to use a condom, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I'm curious if this is like this condom negotiation is something that you
[00:37:24] Mike: run across with new partners and how you manage it. I know, i know for example, Keith, when he has new partners, like it's a challenge for him. it's a problem It's a thing that he has to sort of manage. and Oftentimes, the woman doesn't seem to care that much about condom use in his experience.
[00:37:46] Ally: Yeah. and
[00:37:46] Mike: And this is a woman complaining because men are not caring about, which is culturally what you hear more. The guys just seem to not to be oblivious, but I'm curious what your experience is.
[00:37:55] Ally: Yeah, well, so I have an IUD, so I'm not worried about pregnancy. And I would only be worried about STDs.
[00:38:00] Mike: OK.
[00:38:01] Ally: And in that case, i either you know the guys that I'm sleeping with are guys that I know. And so I have, I think, a pretty good sense of like how slutty they are and like what other sexual partners they might have so I can judge for myself whether I think they're likely to you know need a condom in that sense. um And so I haven't.
[00:38:25] Ally: required it. And then in, I guess, you know, yeah,
[00:38:28] Mike: but do they But do they offer in those situations? when you I mean, you you could require it or not, but I mean, he could also be worried about STIs.
[00:38:35] Ally: yeah so yeah, I guess historically, like either the guy just like, you know, proactively like pulls out the condom and puts it on, in which case I assume like, okay, this guy's kind of slutty and like is concerned about s STDs because this is just like second nature to him to use the condom.
[00:38:36] Mike: but yeah
[00:38:52] Ally: Um, or usually what will happen is like, we are, you know, naked and making out and like close to penetration or something. And if I haven't told him, I have an IUD, he'll say something like, oh, Hey, like we haven't talked about protection or something.
[00:39:05] Ally: And then I'll tell him I have an IUD. And then like, you know, if if I, then I know like, if his only concern is pregnancy, then he'll be fine without it. If he's also concerned about s STDs, then like, yeah.
[00:39:15] Mike: So the first, if a guy just puts a condom on, it's a negative signal to you.
[00:39:17] Ally: yeah
[00:39:20] Ally: Yeah, if he puts, I mean, that's probably bad, but like for the kind of guy, I guess, that I'm sleeping with. Yeah, if he, without any conversation, if he immediately puts a condom on, I assume like, okay, this guy sleeps around a lot because he like doesn't even, you know, want to have the conversation.
[00:39:35] Mike: When you say the kind of guy, you just mean white guys or what what do you mean by the kind of guy that you're?
[00:39:35] Ally: And I feel like if, no, no, I mean kind of like, you know, ah older nerdier guys who probably are not, I assume, having a bunch of casual sex.
[00:39:49] Mike: I assume it's occurred to you that wanting to have sex with older, nerdier guys is not a great way to get dominant sex, right? It's occurred to you.
[00:39:57] Ally: Yeah, but I like what I like.
[00:39:59] Mike: Okay.
[00:40:03] Mike: Good luck. Good luck. The older nerdier dominant man is a very small segment.
[00:40:05] Ally: and I know, I know, yeah.
[00:40:09] Mike: Um, okay. So, so, so, so, but then, I mean, do you have the experience where a guy just totally doesn't bring it up? And if so, what do you, do you bring it up or do you just go out? Whatever.
[00:40:21] Ally: um
[00:40:24] Ally: Yeah, if he totally doesn't, Bring it up.
[00:40:30] Ally: I'm trying to remember like if this has actually happened in recent memory. i I would probably just go along with it because I know that you know I'm covered pregnancy-wise.
[00:40:41] Ally: And ah I guess you know and I would kind of make a judgment call whether I think that he's likely to be an STD risk or not, which I know is not the best strategy.
[00:40:51] Mike: Okay.
[00:40:54] Ally: but you know
[00:40:55] Mike: What would you, yeah, you have a little guilt about that, I think. ah What would you, I
[00:40:58] Ally: Well, it's not what I would recommend as like a blanket strategy for others.
[00:41:03] Mike: hear you. ah what ah What would you, yeah especially those women working at those ditty freak offs, they probably should wear.
[00:41:09] Ally: No, no, I had a ditty freak off.
[00:41:10] Mike: okay
[00:41:11] Ally: I would want to be wearing like a scuba suit or something.
[00:41:14] Mike: Pretty confident there's no, was no protection in those situations. I'm just guessing.
[00:41:17] Ally: Yeah.
[00:41:19] Mike: What, uh, what if the guy whispered in your ear right before he penetrated, he said, don't worry, I'm undetectable.
[00:41:27] Ally: i That wouldn't even make sense to me.
[00:41:29] Mike: Oh, his HIV, his HIV undetectable.
[00:41:31] Ally: Oh god, no, okay.
[00:41:32] Mike: Would that bother you? As, as a scientifically minded woman, would you be like, Oh, I'm safe. Or would you be like, no, you got to wear a comedy.
[00:41:37] Ally: No, i think I think I wouldn't have sex with somebody who is HIV positive regardless.
[00:41:39] Mike: Interesting.
[00:41:42] Ally: Even like on on dating apps, sometimes guys will put that they are, whatever it is, like HSV2 positive or something, you whatever the like bad herpes is.
[00:41:42] Mike: Really?
[00:41:50] Ally: And i will not I would not sorry swipe right on a guy who has that in his profile, kind of regardless, because it's like, why?
[00:41:51] Mike: Uh-huh.
[00:41:58] Ally: you know
[00:41:59] Mike: I wonder how, yeah, I wonder if guys basically just get no, well probably women who already have that, although even then I don't know.
[00:42:05] Ally: Yeah.
[00:42:07] Mike: Yeah, it's hard to say.
[00:42:09] Ally: Yeah.
[00:42:09] Mike: Okay, ah so yeah, those are some topics, but I've got a few questions here from the internets ah that I wanted to bring up. ah This person asks, why do you why do guys choke me while kissing?
[00:42:22] Mike: Why is that a thing now? Uh, I've noticed a pattern the last four guys I've made out with have all started choking me kind of immediately during kissing makeouts. Like we can just kiss casually and I'll have a hand and then I'll have a hand around my throat super fast and nonchalantly.
[00:42:38] Mike: And I have to physically remove their hand from my throat just so I can breathe. So they never start out gently either. Never ask if I like it. Never test the waters. They immediately cut off air supply. Wow. Only, only three of them took me in.
[00:42:48] Ally: ah Okay, that is weird.
[00:42:50] Mike: Is it?
[00:42:50] Ally: As somebody who likes being choked during sex, like I do not have this experience. like yeah I'm wondering what this person is, what other indications this person is putting forth.
[00:43:02] Mike: You think it's that you think it's her fault you're blaming the victim
[00:43:06] Ally: Yeah, because I think this is so bizarre.
[00:43:10] Mike: Yeah, I mean, I think somebody in the comments suggested it's porn. I think that's directionally right. that These guys are ah they're seeing. Yeah, basically they're seeing women appearing to like it. There's another thing here which plays into your I saw a couple other comment threads about basically if you search, if you look around for what women are saying about various sex topics, you will find a great diversity on women being dominated by men.
[00:43:41] Mike: and And essentially it goes all the way from your position of kind of liking it. ah I mean, if a guy tried to choke you while you were kissing, what what would you, I mean, let's say it was, you know, you didn't know each other that well. Like, would that be a positive, a negative neutral? How would you react?
[00:43:57] Ally: I guess it would be slightly positive because it would indicate that he would do that during sex too, but I Yeah, I mean, it would also be a little bit strange to have it come up so quickly.
[00:44:11] Mike: yeah Okay.
[00:44:12] Ally: and I also feel like it does just kind of interfere with the act of like kissing and making out where you do kind of want to both be like moving around. It's like, um I guess, yeah.
[00:44:22] Mike: If you choke her enough, she'll like kind of cough spit into your mouth. Right? I mean, like if you're choked hard enough, like you'll start coughing and carrying on and that doesn't seem very sexy.
[00:44:32] Ally: Yeah. I mean, I think that the point of choking and why it feels good is that like slightly restricting your airflow while, you know, while masturbating or like while having sex makes you reach orgasm faster.
[00:44:33] Mike: Tricky.
[00:44:45] Ally: But so like when you're just making out, it's like, that's not what it's for, you know?
[00:44:50] Mike: So you think you want to restrict air flow and allow blood flow because before you said that you think lots of blood, no air, lower air.
[00:44:54] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:44:59] Ally: Well, either way, I mean, do you ever find when you're masturbating that you are kind of like holding your breath a little bit?
[00:45:04] Mike: No, no, not at all.
[00:45:05] Ally: Oh, okay. I do. And I feel like that makes it better.
[00:45:10] Mike: It gets you closer, it helps you finish basically.
[00:45:11] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:45:12] Mike: Okay.
[00:45:15] Mike: Yeah, the thing I noticed from these comments is basically, yeah, so they're women at kind of your, more toward your edge. edge And then they're women who basically, if a guy does something dominant, they immediately think it's so sexual assault.
[00:45:28] Ally: Hmm.
[00:45:28] Mike: And typically Reddit being the place that it is, ah you see tons and tons of people basically saying that they should immediately go to the cops ah because something dominant happened
[00:45:38] Ally: Right? Do you think guys are doing this while kissing to figure out kind of what type she is? Because if she hates it, you know, he can just say like, Oh, we were just kissing like and it's not as bad.
[00:45:47] Mike: Yeah, I mean, I think that I think no, I think they're probably there. These people are right that they're just basically copying what they see in porn. But I was saying more.
[00:45:54] Ally: Okay.
[00:45:55] Mike: It's like it's it's very this is part of the reason I think why men don't dominate you in the way you want necessarily because it's difficult for a guy to know what's possible.
[00:46:07] Mike: And there's the reactions ah run the gamut so far that it's difficult. It's difficult to know.
[00:46:15] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:46:16] Mike: Um, somebody said, somebody said here that the guys are operating on conquest, not consent. I think that's right. Uh, I think that's like a, that's like a, that's a, by the way, who are you going to vote for?
[00:46:23] Ally: You know, um okay.
[00:46:29] Ally: Kamala.
[00:46:30] Mike: Oh, why? how How did you make that choice? I'm not going to vote. Uh, I've made the considered choice to simply sit it out. How'd you make that choice though?
[00:46:37] Ally: Yeah. Well, so I mean, in California, I have the freedom of voting for whoever and however I want. And so um I always vote for women.
[00:46:45] Mike: but You.
[00:46:46] Ally: And you know luckily this time, like there's a woman whose politics basically agree with mine.
[00:46:51] Mike: Really?
[00:46:52] Ally: Yeah.
[00:46:53] Mike: Let's see. So you're a pro funding the Ukraine war.
[00:46:59] Ally: Yeah, yeah i think you I think Ukraine should defend itself.
[00:47:00] Mike: Why?
[00:47:03] Mike: But we should pay for it.
[00:47:03] Ally: um
[00:47:04] Mike: No, of course they should defend themselves, but we we should pay for it. I actually don't have an opinion on this. I don't know. I i really don't know that much about it. I feel like it's hard to get information about it, but like it's hard.
[00:47:14] Mike: I don't know. It's expensive, right?
[00:47:16] Ally: Yeah, I mean, in our in our role, we are a competitor of Russia and it does kind of fall to us to support a lot of conflicts that we're not directly involved in for kind of second order effects.
[00:47:17] Mike: Drones.
[00:47:32] Ally: So I think it is to our benefit both to have Russia diminished um and to support outlying regions um
[00:47:42] Mike: Let's say, let's say that paying, let's say paying for that stuff made it so you had to pay like a 2% higher income tax rate.
[00:47:42] Ally: to maintain their independence again. Yeah.
[00:47:49] Mike: Would you still support it? Like, cause I think one of the things that stops these, that that that makes it easy to make, to have opinions like that is that like there appears to be no, like nobody ever has to pay for anything, but let's say that, it you know, you actually had to participate in paying for it.
[00:48:02] Mike: Would you still support it?
[00:48:04] Ally: Yeah, I don't know if 2% is the right rate, because that's substantial.
[00:48:06] Mike: I just made up a number. Yeah.
[00:48:09] Ally: but ah Yeah, I would support some, you know, higher percentage for defense generally.
[00:48:16] Mike: Okay.
[00:48:16] Ally: But I mean, I'm also, you know, I'm i'm also pro Israel. So.
[00:48:21] Mike: Sure. Yeah, I'm not sure if you would agree with her there. Okay. um I heard a good quote yesterday. You know who Vivek Ramaswamy is?
[00:48:31] Ally: Yes. Yeah.
[00:48:33] Mike: He's like a Republican candidate for president, and he's ah ah generally seems not like a great person to me.
[00:48:35] Ally: yeah
[00:48:38] Mike: But he had a quote that I thought was good, which was he said that Kamala Harris is the face of the machine that I liked. So it's like, yeah, there's no like she's just the face of this sort of system that is doing all sorts of crazy stuff.
[00:48:54] Mike: Uh, you will actually vote though, even though, I mean in California, you know, just so you know, no matter where you are, you can vote who for whomever you want. You're just saying in California, you have a free option because it doesn't matter who you vote for because California definitely will go.
[00:49:07] Mike: It's, it's well known.
[00:49:08] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:49:09] Mike: I see. So you're not, you don't, but you will even so take the time to go cast a ballot for her. Like you'll take him 30 minutes.
[00:49:17] Ally: Yeah, there are also some you know local measures on the same ballot. um
[00:49:23] Mike: Sure. Where I live, they're going to impose, ah in Oakland, they will impose they're going to impose attacks on us for, it'll definitely pass. They always do here. They're going to impose attacks for us for violence prevention, or well in.
[00:49:35] Ally: Well, that's good.
[00:49:37] Mike: It will definitely not decrease any violence. The one thing I know I can say for sure is it won't do that.
[00:49:40] Ally: Yeah.
[00:49:44] Ally: Yeah.
[00:49:45] Mike: All right. um Okay, let's talk about FWBs because you've been sort of looking for one. ah This person is a feminist, enjoys sex a lot.
[00:49:51] Ally: Yeah.
[00:49:54] Mike: She's noticed a disturbing trend that every time the subject of a friend with benefits comes up, a top-ranked response is something like, you don't want an FWB, you want a relationship. This is a sub for women, by the way, it's called 2X sex.
[00:50:07] Ally: Okay.
[00:50:07] Mike: It's infantilizing for the sub to constantly tell women that they don't actually know what they want. And newsflash, FWB is a relationship, one kind of one. I found it's on a spectrum. It can mean different things to different people. ah To me, they're finding characteristics that's primarily primarily physical and you don't love the person. Didn't you tell me recently that you were worried that you could only enjoy sex with someone you love?
[00:50:30] Ally: Yeah, and and that may be true. um I'm willing to test that hypothesis.
[00:50:33] Mike: Hmm.
[00:50:36] Mike: Right. This woman, this person says women can enjoy sex without falling in love and that they're sick of the stereotypes, that they're clingy or crazy for expecting physical touch and access their bodies comes with basic respect, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah um Have you been in an FWB relationship like a formal FWB relationship with somebody before?
[00:50:54] Ally: but What would a formal after they really didn't
[00:50:56] Mike: Well, were you both like agree that like you're not going to, uh, okay, I can, like in Seinfeld, there's the time when, uh, he and Elaine set up a set of rules for having sex with each other and like spending the night is optional and you don't have to call the day after sex. Nowadays it'd probably be text.
[00:51:13] Ally: Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't think I have I've, I've had kind of shorter term boyfriends where I knew that it was not going to become, you know, serious, like I wasn't and expecting to marry this person. And I've had, I guess, you know, more like casual boyfriends where I had kind of multiple boyfriends at the same time, um in that scenario, but I wouldn't consider that FWB really, because like,
[00:51:38] Ally: we were dating, like we were doing romantic stuff besides having sex. Like I assume after the baby means like you just have hookups.
[00:51:45] Mike: I think probably the most the most important part is that you don't expect monogamy from your partner. I know that you you view yourself as exempt from monogamy, generally.
[00:51:50] Ally: Oh, well in that case, no, I don't.
[00:51:53] Mike: I know that. You've told me that. No, you've told me that you you you really, my impression is that like you view yourself as sort of like above the law and you could sort of
[00:52:03] Ally: If, okay, if I'm in a relationship with someone and he cheats, then I feel like for the entire rest of the relationship, I am justified in essentially doing whatever I want.
[00:52:12] Mike: yeah I got the impression that you were sort of, you felt like you could, you know, if you had some needs that weren't being met, you could go out and get them met.
[00:52:12] Ally: ah
[00:52:22] Ally: No, I think, well, I mean, in I think it's because like in a previous relationship, like there was like very early on a slight infidelity that I felt like then
[00:52:32] Mike: Oh, this is interesting.
[00:52:33] Ally: gave me leeway.
[00:52:33] Mike: So somebody, so you had a relationship. I assume this was a relatively long-term relationship we're talking about.
[00:52:37] Ally: Yeah.
[00:52:38] Mike: You had a relationship where a guy early on had sex with somebody else.
[00:52:40] Ally: Yeah.
[00:52:41] Mike: And basically from then on, you're just like, I can do whatever I want.
[00:52:44] Ally: Yeah, I think it's like a strict prisoner's dilemma scenario. if He defects once and I can defect at any time.
[00:52:51] Mike: More than once though, you could just, you just have a carte blanche at that point.
[00:52:54] Ally: Yeah.
[00:52:55] Mike: Wow. And he doesn't, or he does as well.
[00:52:59] Ally: He doesn't, but I also no longer trust him. So it's like, how would I ever know if he's decided it's okay to do once? Like, I just have to assume that at any point he could do it again.
[00:53:08] Mike: So then you and he are sort of FWEs in that situation, right? Cause you're not really in a relationship.
[00:53:15] Ally: I guess you could define it that way. I think the way this person in the question is talking about FWB is like, that it's more explicitly like just a kind of hookup relationship, like,
[00:53:27] Ally: you know these are or This was a relationship you know where we like lived together and went on dates and stuff like that. And like it um it was definitely like a serious relationship. But to me, like the initial ah the the initial breach of trust is irrecoverable.
[00:53:47] Mike: Did you ever like discuss this?
[00:53:50] Ally: Yeah, particularly like early on after the initial breach of trust, like
[00:53:51] Mike: You were like, and did you, do you think your partner knew that you viewed yourself as having carte blanche?
[00:53:55] Ally: um And I think we didn't come to a satisfying resolution about it. Probably not. Probably not.
[00:54:06] Mike: That's what I figured. That's what I figured. So it's how many times did you, did you, root how many times did you cash in your card?
[00:54:14] Ally: Twice?
[00:54:16] Mike: That's not twice, two different people or twice, only two incidents.
[00:54:18] Ally: Two different, oh, twice, two different two different people, three times total, I guess you could say, twice with the same other person once.
[00:54:26] Mike: Was it worth it?
[00:54:29] Ally: Well, define worth it. i
[00:54:31] Mike: Did you, I mean, were you like, yeah, this was, I mean, well, I guess you're saying that it was costless, but like was taking whatever risk you took to, to do that sort of was the, did the benefit outweigh the cost potential cost?
[00:54:35] Ally: Yeah.
[00:54:43] Ally: Yeah, sure. And I think I initially thought like, Oh, maybe this will make me feel even in a way, you know, like he cheated and then now I cheated and like this will make up for it does not like I just can't get over, and you know, the initial disrespect, I guess of like him cheating because like, I will 100% be loyal and monogamous like until he does something at which point I feel like just it's yeah, it's just like irrevocably broken.
[00:54:44] Mike: Okay.
[00:55:08] Ally: I don't know.
[00:55:09] Mike: Yeah. In game theory, they call that tit for tat.
[00:55:11] Ally: Yeah, that's what I was saying. It's like a strict prisoner's dilemma. and like
[00:55:13] Mike: Right. Okay. That makes sense. All right. One more question here. One more topic that I think you might have some insight on. I accidentally went deeper into my girlfriend and she liked it, but I don't know what I did. My girlfriend, my girlfriend and I were in michigan missionary.
[00:55:31] Mike: i was going at the usual pace for us not particularly fast or slow and my girlfriend asked me how i did that and i didn't know she said that for a few pumps and this so this made me think of you because you yeah I can answer that.
[00:55:41] Ally: why Why would you not go as deep as you can like every time? why like why is he Why is he stopping himself halfway?
[00:55:48] Mike: i mean Oh, well, not halfway. tip Well, I mean, I haven't seen porn where guys basically have to solve themselves halfway, but I mean, I often have to limit the depth or I in my life had to limit the depth of my penetration because of my penis being large enough that it can cause pain.
[00:56:04] Mike: That's the answer.
[00:56:05] Ally: and Okay, well then, maybe you're right.
[00:56:06] Mike: You just, you just, maybe you should get a little more diverse.
[00:56:07] Ally: Maybe I have not fucked guys with large enough penises. I feel like they're pretty much, yeah, um maybe.
[00:56:13] Mike: All right. and She said that for a few pumps, she felt like something readjusted down there every time I went all the way in. Not her exact words, but that was the sentiment. Basically, she felt like I went deeper than usual by going through some sort of tight spot down there, and then the head would pop through, and she enjoyed how that felt.
[00:56:30] Mike: And you've mentioned kind of, a the yeah well, it's going to be next to the cervix.
[00:56:33] Ally: Pop through.
[00:56:36] Mike: That's that's what's going on here.
[00:56:37] Ally: Oh, yeah, OK. So there is like a little bit of a, yeah, like the cervix comes down a little bit.
[00:56:38] Mike: but you
[00:56:41] Ally: And so like ah like I guess if this this is not going to go well on audio, like if there's a vaginal canal and then like the cervix is like coming down a little bit, like it's i don't know like a a little chandelier or something, then there's like pockets sort of like to either side of the cervix that are like a little bit deeper.
[00:56:54] Mike: That's right.
[00:56:55] Ally: So yeah, I guess maybe he like angled it into one of those pockets.
[00:56:56] Mike: Exactly.
[00:56:58] Ally: But I think for this guy, yeah, he knows what he did. And he should just fucking thrust all the way every time.
[00:57:06] Mike: Sure. Well, I mean, but she also might been in ah have been in a, they might've been in a position that enabled him to get a little bit deeper in there.
[00:57:13] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:57:13] Mike: Uh, you've mentioned enjoying sort of the cervix hammer occasionally, but it hurts when that happens, right?
[00:57:17] Ally: Yeah, yeah. In a good way. um And i don't I think I have a less sensitive than some cervix, I guess, because like a lot of people say that like IUD insertion or removal is like extremely painful, or that pap smears are extremely painful. And like they're not for me. um you know like It'll hurt like a little bit, but no more than like getting a shot or something.
[00:57:43] Ally: um so So yeah, I enjoy it.
[00:57:44] Mike: You know, when they're doing, when they're doing a pap smear, you don't ask them to do it again to sort of dominate you.
[00:57:46] Ally: like
[00:57:50] Ally: Oh, no.
[00:57:51] Mike: Do you want more pain?
[00:57:54] Ally: It's a very different internal experience. um But yeah, I can imagine there's probably some women for whom like having their cervix hit during sex like is you know takes them out of it, is like really painful.
[00:57:57] Mike: Sure.
[00:58:05] Ally: But for me, it's just more of like a like you know like and good pain.
[00:58:09] Mike: Wait, does it, I mean, but what if it's getting hit every single thrust?
[00:58:14] Mike: I mean, have you experienced that?
[00:58:16] Ally: I haven't. um Yeah, probably.
[00:58:18] Mike: Again, the short penises. And and then it sounds like you then have not had anything that sort of slipped around the side of it and kind of fully filled you.
[00:58:21] Ally: I guess so.
[00:58:26] Mike: One could say maybe you've never been fully filled by a penis.
[00:58:29] Ally: Maybe, yeah. I have not experienced, I guess, what this person is describing of like it slipping through or feeling like it's going through something. um
[00:58:38] Mike: Yeah, well, I mean, it's gonna be going, look, I mean, there could be a lot of things that particulars here that anatomical particulars and the like. um So you don't, yeah, okay, this is totally foreign to you, basically. like
[00:58:53] Ally: Yeah. um But I mean, and just in terms of the way that you phrased the question of like, I did something different, I don't know what it is. Like, it's pretty straightforward what it is.
[00:59:02] Mike: Right. Going super deep. and and And probably there, I mean, it could be that he, it's probably not that his penis got longer, but because of his arousal, but like they, you know, in some position and so forth, somebody in the comments says, uh, they give the technical term, which is fornix.
[00:59:04] Ally: Yeah.
[00:59:14] Ally: um
[00:59:17] Mike: It sounds to me like you went into either the anterior or posterior fornix, which is like the area around the cervix, like the
[00:59:21] Ally: Okay. Is that where fornication comes from? The word?
[00:59:26] Mike: Well, sure.
[00:59:27] Ally: Yeah.
[00:59:28] Mike: I mean, it's going to be, I don't know the answer to that.
[00:59:28] Ally: Okay.
[00:59:31] Mike: Fornix ends in an X, so it's Latin, right?
[00:59:33] Ally: Yeah.
[00:59:34] Mike: um Like cervix.
[00:59:36] Ally: Yeah.
[00:59:36] Mike: Fornices are often described as a pocket that's popped into during deep penetration. Some women experience intense pleasure from the stimulation of these nerds nerve dense zones. you have you You've never like gotten like a really big dildo and tried it out.
[00:59:50] Ally: No.
[00:59:51] Mike: Why not? I mean, you can afford it. Why don't you buy, I think you should do this for the show. Buy yourself, why not?
[00:59:57] Ally: but
[00:59:59] Mike: Buy yourself something that would totally bottom out in there and just see if that works.
[01:00:00] Ally: Yeah.
[01:00:04] Mike: You're looking like that doesn't sound like a good idea to you.
[01:00:05] Ally: Yeah.
[01:00:08] Ally: I mean, I've tried, I guess, normal sized dildos or smaller dildos and didn't really enjoy that sensation, but I could try it.
[01:00:17] Mike: Well, you could have your male friend ah manipulate it. So then at least it feels like someone else sort of penetrating you.
[01:00:24] Ally: Yeah, I think that might help.
[01:00:24] Mike: I mean, here your friend doesn't have the length or girth or non or sort of erectile effectiveness to give you what you need there.
[01:00:26] Ally: um
[01:00:34] Mike: And I should say also, ah they're there is anime porn, hentai, I guess, of
[01:00:39] Ally: many um
[01:00:40] Mike: men's penises penetrating the cervix, that's certainly not what's going on here.
[01:00:44] Ally: No, no.
[01:00:45] Mike: Yeah, that's not possible anatomically. That's a very odd, have you ever seen a porn like that? Probably not.
[01:00:51] Ally: No, I've heard about like tentacle born, which I guess, like, I don't know, maybe a tentacle could penetrate the cervix if it was a small tentacle.
[01:00:59] Mike: This is like x-ray porn where they sort of show what's going on in the inside and then they and then they'll show and like the penis goes in and then it goes in the cervix into the uterus.
[01:01:02] Ally: Oh,
[01:01:07] Ally: Oh, no. Yeah, that's not possible.
[01:01:09] Mike: which I think would just cause that would cause a very bad infection or something. Probably not not a great decision.
[01:01:14] Ally: yeah
[01:01:17] Mike: All right. Well, that's, I think that's enough for today. Uh, so that'll do it for this episode of your mileage may vary unless you have something else you want to say, Allie.
[01:01:23] Ally: Yeah. No, I think that was good.
[01:01:25] Mike: All right. Uh, you can send us feedback or questions at Y M M V pod at gmail dot.com. Uh, we also have like X dot.com and we have our YouTube channel that is getting more and more views on it.
[01:01:40] Mike: Uh, you can search for YMMV podcast on YouTube or Mike Johnson, apparently is also, that's the name of the channel. I don't know how to change that. I probably do know how to change it.
[01:01:49] Ally: Isn't that a politician? Isn't Mike Johnson like a senator?
[01:01:52] Mike: It is, it is.
[01:01:53] Ally: OK.
[01:01:53] Mike: he's He's actually the speaker of the house. Yeah. The speaker of the house is the same as my stage name.
[01:01:56] Ally: Oh, OK.
[01:01:59] Mike: I'm using one.
[01:01:59] Ally: Great. All right. So people are going to be searching for him and find our YouTube channel.
[01:02:05] Mike: Yes, uh, probably not, but that's a fair point.
[01:02:06] Ally: Excellent.
[01:02:08] Mike: It's a fair point. Yes. We want to get to a popularity level where that's an issue for him. And then of course we'll get censored and then it'll all end in tears.
[01:02:12] Ally: Yeah.
[01:02:15] Mike: Okay. Uh, so, uh, yeah, that'll do it for this episode of your mileage may vary. And we hope to catch you next week on the show.

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