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Episode 18: Repeated Ejaculation, Irrumatio Skills, Crowded-Rectum Anal

Team YMMV | 11-19-2020 | 1:03:45

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The YMMV guys wax poetic about sex.

The brief pornographic clip discussed in the first segment, titled "She Must Feel Heavenly": https://imgur.com/w5brJ5X

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  • [0:01] Mike: she's on her back
  • [0:08] Mike: and she's rolling her eyes in evident. Well, I mean, it's probably fake, but pleasure. Okay, now he pulls out
  • [0:19] Mike: 12 squirts of semen on her stomach. Now he puts it back in. He's still hard. This is where I got confused. So he's nice. It's back to kind of what happened at the beginning. He's
  • [0:28] Mike: he's going in and out, and she seems very happy about it.
  • [0:44] Keith: Hello, and welcome to your mileage may vary Way are a podcast about everyone's favorite topic. Sex and relationships. But mostly sex, it seems like, and we're two people. I'm Keith. My co host is Mike, and we try our best to entertain with insightful and amusing commentary.
  • [0:54] Keith: Our discussions typically emerge from our readings on Reddit and other shady quarters of the Internet, but we often leverage your own experiences to justify our privilege. Mansplaining.
  • [1:09] Keith: We famously give $10 to anyone who provides us and feedback. You could do so at Y m m. The pod at gmail dot com. You can also send us questions there will answer compelling ones on Air Anonymous, of course, again, that's why. MM, Peapod at gmail dot com
  • [1:15] Keith: Okay, Mike, you had an idea of something new to try. Do you want to start with that?
  • [1:23] Mike: Well, yeah, but first I wanted to know why. From the intro you removed the mention that we were sis Hman. Did someone did that trigger someone, or did you get some negative feedback on
  • [1:27] Keith: that? It's pretty apparent immediately. So it's It's almost redundant.
  • [1:35] Mike: Okay. Okay. Well, no. Sometimes. Yeah, but anyway, you had it in there, and then it went away. So I was curious. Okay. Yeah, let's do the new thing. So we way, uh,
  • [1:38] Mike: I found a link to a
  • [1:42] Mike: short imgur pornographic,
  • [1:44] Mike: uh,
  • [2:10] Mike: display. It's not. It's a video, but it's not a video, because it's like it's like an animated GIF for whatever. There's no sound. For example, on it depicted something that I was trying to get. Like what? Like, what is what is happening here and you actually didn't see it? I sent it to you and you didn't watch it yet. So it's so it's kind of cool. We have a chance for you toe watch it to get the first take the hot take on, and then we can discuss it and we can also narrate. Um, one of us probably should narrate for the audience. What's going on? Do you want to do that or you
  • [2:12] Keith: want to know how? How long is it?
  • [2:16] Mike: It's just it's maybe it's less than 30 seconds for sure.
  • [2:18] Mike: Okay, not too long.
  • [2:27] Keith: Okay, I think we should have you do it just so that I can sort of absorb it. And But we should We should click around the same time. Are you Are you ready? Yeah,
  • [2:30] Keith: sure. All right. I'm clicking now.
  • [2:32] Keith: Yeah,
  • [2:37] Mike: all right. So it's a lovely lady who's being penetrated by a man. She's on her back
  • [2:43] Mike: and she's rolling her eyes in evident. Well, I mean, it's probably fake, but pleasure. Okay, now he pulls out
  • [2:54] Mike: 12 squirts of semen on her stomach. Now it puts it back in. He's still hard. This is where I got confused. So he's nice. It's back to kind of what happened at the beginning. He's
  • [3:04] Mike: he's going in and out, and she seems very happy about it. But he's still totally hard. She's got obviously some fluid on her stomach from his earlier
  • [3:11] Mike: E guess climax. Now he pulls it out again. And one too much mawr three,
  • [3:13] Mike: three
  • [3:25] Mike: uh, pretty voluminous squirts there on her stomach. She got mawr. He's still hard. He went back in at some point. It loops, okay, but it has not yet again.
  • [3:26] Keith: Okay, So pulled out for the third time,
  • [3:31] Mike: it looked like something. Maybe something came out okay. And then it looped for me.
  • [3:33] Mike: You're probably a little I think we're a little offset.
  • [3:36] Keith: Okay, in front of me. Okay, s
  • [3:44] Mike: So what do you mean you got in front of you? We could, by the way, put the link in the show description so people can, uh, follow along at home.
  • [3:49] Mike: What? So I mean, the lady is very lovely. I, um I like
  • [3:56] Mike: I like the way the man is depicted just a zey moving Penis. Because, frankly, that's how I experience myself.
  • [4:09] Mike: Uh, when I'm when I'm in these types of situations. Uh, sure, sure. So I enjoy that. I didn't. And also without the sound, there wasn't a whole lot of male grunting or groaning, which is something that, um,
  • [4:11] Mike: is okay, but not my favorite.
  • [4:19] Mike: So is good. But But why the thing that the reason I sent this to you is what? How is he, uh,
  • [4:29] Mike: having this sort of, like, staccato ejaculation across, say, 45 seconds or a minute. And is it pleasurable? Like, Have you ever seen something like this before? You ever talk to someone who does this before?
  • [4:30] Keith: Okay,
  • [4:35] Keith: I'm not exactly sure what's going on here. So
  • [4:41] Keith: here was my experience watching it. So he the first time he pulls out,
  • [4:47] Keith: he has to spurts. They're not particularly impressive,
  • [4:48] Keith: but
  • [4:48] Keith: yeah,
  • [5:04] Mike: but, I mean, I don't know about you, but like that amount of fluid, the only times that amount of fluid comes out of my Penis. Setting aside some sort of illness is urine. Or if I'm actually ejaculating that it was enough that was enough that it could not. It would have to be one of those to for me. Is that the case for you, too?
  • [5:12] Keith: Yeah. I mean, it's enough volume that it looks like a full or, you know, it doesn't look like the greatest orgasm, but, you know, it's an orgasm. What's
  • [5:14] Mike: the first two spurts of one?
  • [5:18] Keith: Yeah, And then the second time he pulls out, he has three
  • [5:21] Mike: switches. Mind you, which is mind you, like, 30 seconds later
  • [5:27] Keith: or something? Yeah. Back in between the second time. It's
  • [5:29] Keith: significantly Mawr. Oh,
  • [5:35] Mike: yeah, it's It's like it seems like it could maybe, like Phil, certainly feel the bottom of the shot glass. Maybe
  • [5:41] Mike: maybe ah, ah, half inch full or it's a significant amount. And there's sort of mawr.
  • [5:44] Mike: Well, the colloquial term would be like ropes.
  • [6:07] Keith: Right? Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, there's they're thicker and longer. Yeah, that's right. And then the third time, it's like, not it's like, right when he pulls out, it looks like some goes off to the right. And then there's, like, maybe one more spurt. Eso It's less than the first. Definitely less than the second. Okay, here's what I think is going on here. Okay. All right.
  • [6:09] Keith: This man
  • [6:12] Keith: a lot of semen.
  • [6:17] Keith: All right. Uh, the first
  • [6:18] Keith: incident
  • [6:20] Keith: is
  • [6:24] Keith: like it's almost like
  • [6:28] Keith: he's like, it's almost like a half orgasm,
  • [6:33] Keith: you know, like it zits, ort of unsatisfying. And
  • [6:47] Keith: if he needs to go back in tow like he thought that he was gonna have, like, a full ah, full orgasm. But he pulled out a little bit too soon, and it was a little bit weak. So then he goes back in to get himself
  • [6:54] Keith: closer, and and he does so. But yeah, I mean, I don't know what's happening in the third one.
  • [6:54] Keith: I was
  • [7:14] Mike: more. I was sort of I mean, there's by the way I should. I should have mentioned this in my little narration at the beginning, at the very beginning of this image, this video, whatever. She starts out with Cem fluid on her stomach. So it does appear that maybe you get the sense, like the sort of the tableau is set that maybe this woman has had some semen sprayed on her earlier,
  • [7:17] Mike: like maybe just just want to set the scene
  • [7:22] Keith: for people. Yeah, well, there's even more, but let's let's not I mean,
  • [7:28] Keith: that would be and that would be incredible. Let's I mean, we don't even need that for this already to be like a big mystery.
  • [7:29] Keith: I mean,
  • [7:47] Mike: could it be? Could it be that, like, he's okay? There's a couple of thoughts I had one was, so my first thought was, and I mean, I just haven't used Viagra ever, But my first thought was, maybe this is common when used Viagra that you like because so the whole staying hard thing, I mean, because it wasn't Everybody stays hard for some period of time, but he's staying fully hard
  • [7:59] Mike: for a while after the first fluid comes out, which has not been my experience at any point in my life on and I don't think that's a comedy. So I was thinking maybe that's Viagra and I thought, Well, maybe when you use Viagra, you also
  • [8:11] Mike: you know, kind of have this kind of different situation where you like orgasm multiple times. I know that there people who say, you know, tantric, blah, blah, blah. I know they're people will say Oh, men can have 27 orgasms in a row Like I know I'm familiar with that claim.
  • [8:14] Mike: I haven't seen it too much. I've seen thing anyway,
  • [8:15] Mike: I
  • [8:22] Keith: was not wearing. You can also wear a cock ring that slows down the blood leaving your Penis. But this man is not
  • [8:37] Mike: Yeah, I had another. I mean, this is I'm almost sure wrong, but I'll just say it. I had another theory. I mean, I think we've discussed this before, and I've taken as I like to take strong stances, the women's squirting thing. I've taken a strong stance that it's just there, just peeing, which,
  • [8:54] Mike: well, that's the stance I take eso Maybe he's somehow mastered the ability to urinate like So maybe maybe this is like a Maybe he's like some sort of magician. He's actually learned how to control his body to the point where, like, he can p while erect while in the middle of sex he pulls out, he considers a little bit.
  • [9:14] Keith: I consider that I considered that so and and I've you know, I've now watched this video. I don't know how long we've been talking about this, but I've I've seen this loop 789 10 e. I mean, this is for science man story first, the first, the first
  • [9:16] Keith: you know, incident
  • [9:23] Keith: does seem to be a slightly different texture, but, you know, it could be the light it could be.
  • [9:28] Keith: I think it's I think it's semen in all three cases here, but
  • [9:34] Keith: it's possible there's some sort of I mean, why would he do that? I
  • [9:40] Mike: think the cadence of it, the way it squirts out, spurts out whatever really, really looks like familiar I think
  • [9:54] Keith: we can eliminate. I think we can eliminate urine from I don't think any of thes. Definitely the 2nd and 3rd aren't and I don't think the first is either. It's like a half orgasm. It's almost like he doesn't get himself fully there.
  • [9:56] Keith: Um,
  • [10:07] Mike: yeah, I just and I wonder about the thing that made me I wondered if it was Viagra, um, on Di did some research online and, like, I didn't find anything conclusive. So I'm gonna doom Or
  • [10:13] Mike: and then the other thing I was I was really interested in what the psychological experience for a man is like that. Like, Is he
  • [10:26] Mike: like, does he at any point in this process have, like, the typical pleasure response? Or is this just like a thing? He's some sort of magic trick. He's learned to do that where he does not have that, and he just physically is like squirting out semen. I
  • [10:40] Keith: think this man has significantly better control over his orgasms than ideo, I think. Well, okay, look, I think some people okay, there's some There's some bell curve and some people have much longer orgasms than others.
  • [10:50] Keith: This man has long orgasms probably generally, even if he has, like just a normal one. And in this case, I think he has, like,
  • [11:00] Keith: like, a half orgasm, and then he goes in tow, have his full one, and then you got the third. The third incident is sort of confusing, but
  • [11:06] Keith: maybe he's just good. It's sort of like drawing out his orgasms a little bit. I don't know E I mean, could it
  • [11:22] Mike: be that, like, if you purposely first of all, I wanna just just so I can push back on something because I like to take the hard line on these things. I don't agree with the notion generally that people's orgasm length varies that much. I think that when people say they have a two minute long orgasm, like when I owned by the way, what I mean by orgasm is like the
  • [11:39] Mike: physical pleasure sensation. I don't believe that. I think that it's pretty much the same length in all people and people that say it's much longer. It's because they're like hyperventilating or something that causes like a weird, drug like experience. That's not the reason I say this is because there's just a limited supply of these hormones in your body. It doesn't make sense to me, but anyway,
  • [11:45] Mike: people disagree with that. And that's fine. There's a you know, I'm sort of a curmudgeon on that topic. Stop
  • [11:48] Keith: watching this, By the way, I'm getting sure. Yeah, but
  • [11:58] Mike: the thing I wonder whether you could, because you men do have conscious control over that muscle. And maybe maybe I've never tried this, But maybe like when you're close, if we just start way have
  • [12:01] Keith: conscious control over what? What's that? Muscle?
  • [12:04] Mike: Whatever muscles, you know, it's the same muscle you use when you like.
  • [12:08] Mike: Stop your p or you finished pooping, right? There's this muscle that you kind
  • [12:16] Keith: of Yeah, but I mean, the semen comes along the you know, the vas difference or whatever and then enters the urethra.
  • [12:17] Keith: Uh,
  • [12:23] Mike: well, no, the most of the fluid is in your prostate, right? The vas difference, I think, goes between the
  • [12:34] Mike: yes, sir, biology stuff here anatomy. But I My understanding is it goes, It's the thing that actually transports the sperm. But the semen, like the most of the fluid, I think is already in the prostate. Kind of under your I think
  • [12:41] Keith: I think. I think the seminal fluid in the sperm join each other and then travel among the bus deference.
  • [13:03] Keith: But in any case, something happens. Something happens that where there's, like interruption and then you can sort of control. I could I could control the eruption a little bit with with, you know, using muscle on my Penis. But mostly I could, like, try to hold it back. But then it's just sort of a less satisfying orgasm. I definitely draw it out for a long as this man has.
  • [13:09] Mike: Well, I I'm given my proclivity here. I'm basically certain that he's not experiencing
  • [13:24] Mike: constant pleasure throughout that time. A couple of things. According to Google, the vas difference is the duct, which conveys sperm from the testicles to the urethra, which actually somewhere in between what we said, it's actually that doesn't actually clarify anyway, s Oh, yeah, the question I had is like, Is there? Can he
  • [13:30] Mike: bye bye consciously contracting those muscles? This something I've not done? Is there some moment
  • [13:35] Mike: where you could consciously contracted and get something to score it out even without the pleasure?
  • [13:39] Mike: So maybe he's doing that like he's just he's never actually having an orgasm. He just is able to
  • [13:44] Mike: contract this muscle and make stuff squirt out. And
  • [13:45] Mike: I don't know.
  • [13:56] Mike: It sounds That's not something I've sat around trying, but, like, I could at least imagine, because, you know, you can make the point is you can make the muscles contract Any fashion that feels like the contractions that happened during ejaculation, right?
  • [14:01] Keith: Yeah, but I think nothing ever comes out. I think something has to, like,
  • [14:06] Keith: probably open the floodgate, right? Like you have tow horses out of the barn somehow,
  • [14:15] Mike: maybe some people don't have a floodgate. Or maybe some people like they could break that floodgate. And so, like, they could just do I just have no idea, man e something that more research is needed.
  • [14:25] Keith: Okay. Well, e I invite our listeners to watch this and email us with with any thoughts. Uh, and the pod. I don't even it's not even
  • [14:34] Mike: the thing I want to do. I don't want to do this. I just was like, What is going on here? I've seen a number of porn's like this somewhat recently. Where I'm like what? How how How is this happening?
  • [14:48] Keith: Yeah, it's some thing answer. But it's not. It's a number of things some people have, you know, different orgasm. Some have sort of weird control. And then there might be some sort of like
  • [14:52] Keith: Viagra or industry thing going on here that
  • [14:54] Keith: I don't really understand. And we realized,
  • [15:08] Mike: by the way, there are men who have longer and shorter, refractory period's. That being the time period between when you ejaculate when you could get erect again, that's not what this is. This man is erect. This is too short, like it's not. This is not that we know that that happens in some men, particularly younger men can
  • [15:12] Mike: go again after five minutes or something. That's different, right? I mean that. That's everybody knows
  • [15:15] Keith: that.
  • [15:16] Keith: Um
  • [15:21] Keith: Okay, well, we should probably get to the number one
  • [15:27] Keith: topic on the sex subreddit this week. This this face fucking post? Um, yes.
  • [15:28] Keith: Okay, It's a little bit long. I thought this was
  • [15:31] Mike: a really, really good post I was once you go for it.
  • [16:11] Keith: Yeah, it's a little bit lengthy, but I'll read it. Okay, Uh, this person writes in Do you think face fucking is really as appreciated As much as it should be. I often get the sense that a lot of guys don't really understand or appreciate how much practice, skill and determination it takes to get to a point where you can handle letting a guy take full control and face. Fuck you. However he likes for me, it took a bit before I was really out of place, both physically and mentally, where I could really handle it being done roughly even then, that doesn't change the fact that it's very uncomfortable, strange that it's, ah, very uncomfortable, strenuous act, not trying to say that I don't enjoy it because I do like doing it. But still not being able to breathe gagging, even throwing up are always factors. It's just the stuff that you eventually get used to and learn to deal with.
  • [16:28] Keith: I was just sort of pondering this and questioning you guys really get like how challenging this is to do for a girl feel like they don't really see it as something that's that is impressive on the girls part, like a skill more often taken for granted. I think I feel that it's often falsely credited as the guy does all the work in a in a Facebook.
  • [16:34] Keith: So never mind the fact that she's the one taking the dick down her throat at your whim while she is literally choking on it.
  • [16:57] Keith: I feel like the world of porn is program people. To denigrate the women's effort in this act is a given like disregard, any effort or skill required for her to do it gloss over the reality of just how uncomfortable the process could be for her. Just focus on the spectacle of how dominant makes the guy seem almost as if vanilla deep throwing is, um, or appreciated and respected act than face fucking, even though Face Fucking is much more difficult in all aspects for her to dio.
  • [17:15] Keith: Sorry. If this comes office ranting or anything, I'm almost done here. I don't mean it that way. Just just musing about it seems to be underappreciated or an under credited skill and my experience. A lot of guys seem to take it for granted, like they don't consider the experience from her perspective or have been programmed to gloss over it. I don't know.
  • [17:20] Mike: Yeah, well, I mean, there's not hopes there's not really a question there. Sure, but
  • [17:23] Mike: yeah, I mean, have you ever
  • [17:28] Mike: have you ever taken like a banana and jammed it all the way in your mouth to see what happens?
  • [17:35] Keith: I haven't. I think I should, I think. Yeah, like, I think, just a
  • [17:40] Keith: I think it would be an interesting uh
  • [17:42] Keith: uh,
  • [18:03] Keith: I'm not. Look, I can say right now I'm not gonna like it. I don't know what, like magnitude of not liking it. You know, people experiment with waterboarding, right? Because because they wanted, like, know how terrifying it is. Uh, maybe, yeah, just toe. Understand what? Blowing a huge guys like I should I should, uh
  • [18:06] Keith: I should try this anyway. There's not. There's
  • [18:09] Mike: a video of a guy. It was it z
  • [18:23] Mike: think it's the guy who died. The tried why was a cameras name, but a journalist or pundit who had himself waterboarded. He lasted, like, five seconds. It was like he's like, Oh, I could do this. And no, he couldn't. Um but yeah, the the
  • [18:31] Mike: have done it. Of course you will not be surprised. I've taken a banana appealed. I didn't maybe harder if it was unpeeled, although maybe unpeeled, just more realistic
  • [18:35] Mike: and the thing. There is a thing, right? I did learn something. The
  • [18:35] Keith: thing that was
  • [18:37] Mike: surprising to me
  • [18:43] Mike: was that when it gets farther back in your mouth, it's like dry like So,
  • [18:48] Mike: like, it's scratchy like it doesn't you think of your mouth is being,
  • [18:59] Mike: uh yeah, I mean, full of saliva. But in fact, what I experienced was and maybe bananas air kind of drying. Maybe they maybe so the banana might be they absorb you could be a little
  • [19:02] Mike: Yeah, it could be, but I don't think that's it. What? I think it is just that like,
  • [19:10] Mike: Yeah. I mean, like, when you jam something back there like there's some preparation required and like otherwise, it's kind of scratchy and irritating, and so it's just not like
  • [19:16] Mike: it's not at all. It wasn't what I thought it would be like Like you. Once something gets back there, it's like a very negative experience, and
  • [19:21] Keith: it does not wanna I wanna push on this a little bit, though. I mean,
  • [19:27] Keith: the dryness might not be a thing that happens with penises, right? Like
  • [19:29] Keith: people?
  • [19:39] Keith: Yeah, like the saliva gets on the Penis and doesn't really get absorbed. So like maybe by the time it's, you know, reach the back of the throat. It's It's sort of wet and slippery in a way, I don't
  • [20:00] Mike: think so. There two things here, one is that s so the first thing is just from this experience and some reading like, I know that like the that area of your throat is a little drier, probably because your nose you breathe there and so like it dries out a little bit so drier than, like, say, Yeah, it's drier than, say, your tongue or whatever. And secondly, like in porn
  • [20:09] Mike: and in real life, I know that women tend to take care of to make sure your Penis is pretty wet when they get going on that,
  • [20:15] Mike: um, pretty let's say in porn like you do, it's a thing. You notice that they'll kind of go, and I've seen it also in like women's
  • [20:24] Mike: for men's, I don't know. Women are men's descriptions of like how you know what what ideal technique is like. It's always like, Oh, get it really wet. And that makes me think that like no, like the natural,
  • [20:31] Mike: the natural witness you would get is actually insufficient to go beyond a certain depth, and that's I think it's surprising You
  • [20:34] Keith: really have to exaggerate the slobbering to get it
  • [20:37] Keith: that only to the poor people when it when it's reaching the back of the throat.
  • [20:38] Keith: Yeah,
  • [20:43] Mike: so the point is that, like my experience with the banana was less like, Oh, yeah, this is a
  • [21:09] Mike: trying to get something really slippery, but something really well lubricated going. And then you would have the natural, like gag experience, which would be a different thing or if they're connected. But that's it was Mawr, like I'm taking something that's just very dry, like a piece of wood or something like a you know, something that's rough and jamming it back there. It's roughing up like the palate back there, and I was like, This is terrible. My immediate experience like it's terrible. But in a way I didn't expect
  • [21:13] Mike: eso. Yeah, I mean, like, I think that's just like and that's just like a first past example. Like, these girls like,
  • [21:18] Keith: yeah, I mean, I mean, like things. Girl distinguishes between
  • [21:37] Keith: quote unquote face fucking and trying to find it exactly her. But she she implies, like normal, deep throated is sort of vanilla. Yeah. Oh, sure. We'll, uh, almost vanilla, deep throat ing ism or appreciated and respected act than face Fucking
  • [21:38] Keith: So.
  • [21:39] Keith: Yeah,
  • [21:45] Mike: catch that nuance. I actually miss that. Nuance. Thank you for that. So she's basically putting this at, like, double expert level. This is like a double black diamond.
  • [22:01] Keith: Yeah. I mean, she does not say what she means by face. Fucking, but I'm guessing it's something. Watched guys. Three guys, like, you know, holding her head and sort of in a dominant way. Forcing himself.
  • [22:01] Keith: Well, I
  • [22:24] Mike: mean, I would imagine the difference is that, like, if you're in control of the I mean to me, the most obvious thing is, if you're in control of the motion, then you can time your breathing with when the breathing is possible. But if the guys in charge, I think you basically in order to avoid, like, choking your, you know, inhaling saliva, you'd have to basically hold your breath all time. I mean, that's what I think. If I was unfortunately, I don't I'm not.
  • [22:33] Mike: I'm hetero, so I'm not interested in this act. But if I were somehow engaged in this, I think I would hold my breath all time because I'd just be worried that, like, something terrible would happen if
  • [22:36] Keith: I think right, I think you have
  • [22:38] Keith: sort of
  • [22:47] Keith: nicely converged to. Yeah, like the key difference between face fucking and you know, vanilla blowjob is who has control of the movement.
  • [22:49] Keith: Is that do you think That's right?
  • [22:57] Mike: Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, wait, hang on a second. Have you ever engaged in this? And I prefer to use the scientific term Iran motto.
  • [23:00] Mike: Uh, but this face fucking have you done this?
  • [23:04] Keith: Well, there's There's a gray area in between, right? Like you can hold something
  • [23:11] Mike: like no, like Well, there's a There's a gray area and I am perfectly white.
  • [23:23] Keith: You can you can You can hold someone's head. Ah, in total control without any control or with suggestive control.
  • [23:32] Mike: Here's what. Here's what I want to ask. Have you been in a situation where you needed to make it possible for her to breathe?
  • [23:38] Mike: Yeah, that like, in other words, that, like you were, you know where she couldn't easily control her breathing. Have you done that with someone
  • [23:39] Keith: now? I don't think I have
  • [23:48] Mike: interesting okay, I have and yeah. I mean, like, the polite thing to do is to recognize that and to withdraw sufficiently
  • [23:55] Mike: at a reasonable cadence so she can breathe for a while. Which is something, by the way, like in porn,
  • [24:17] Mike: I was I don't love. I don't like I don't like porn's of this because I don't because yeah, I don't really like the gagging, like the choking in the eye mascara running stuff. I don't like that. Just don't find that attractive or doesn't turn me on. But secondly, like, I just feel like it doesn't feel like they're being respectful enough, which is sort of a separate access, right? It's like I feel like it's important to allow your partner to breathe
  • [24:19] Keith: right,
  • [24:24] Keith: E. I mean, yeah, there's a number of things going on here. I mean,
  • [24:41] Keith: you know, being able to control exactly when you're getting the pressure is a positive thing, but it's pretty negative for the other person, right? Especially if they can't control their breathing. Uh, if they're experiencing, you know,
  • [24:47] Keith: pain or gagging at the back of their throat like yeah, like all those things, they're not great for them.
  • [24:47] Keith: And this is,
  • [24:56] Mike: by the way, you're you're a Your relative inexperience in this area has to do with your general aversion to putting things in women's mouth's
  • [25:10] Keith: right? Yeah. I mean, we shouldn't assume that everyone listened every episode of this podcast, I am sure I occasionally enjoy blowjobs, but generally, less than most. I think we'll definitely e
  • [25:12] Mike: on the flip side.
  • [25:23] Mike: I mean to Yeah. I mean, like, everybody's got their thing. But like, I really do think that I I feel like I understand why a woman on the flip side would like this activity, and it has everything to do with
  • [25:30] Mike: giving up control. Being used like this is like these air normal. These are things I feel like I can understand a man, and I'm not
  • [25:40] Mike: really submissive, But I think I can understand it. Like how giving up control could be sexually gratifying to someone. It makes sense to me.
  • [25:55] Keith: Yeah. I mean, the reason I'm generally confused about blowjobs I'm generally confused about this. But to the extent that I can intellectualize that people like giving up control or some people like giving up control that this this is just a extension of that like you're giving up more control in order for him
  • [25:56] Mike: to
  • [26:06] Mike: You can't see it along the same axis. Is a woman as a woman like enjoying being tied down or something? Maybe you don't find that compelling either. Like it's Yeah. You like a lot of female
  • [26:07] Mike: agency?
  • [26:08] Mike: Yeah. I
  • [26:17] Keith: mean, I I find all of those things a little bit confusing, but I totally acknowledge that lots of people obviously like it. So maybe it's not
  • [26:33] Mike: Maybe Keith. Maybe it's that when you, uh, maybe you just feel lonely. It's like if the woman's tied up, then she's it's almost like she's not there and you get lonely. Yeah, I'm sort of teasing, but actually actually see that being right like your like your then She's not really. It's almost like you're by yourself, right? It's like, Well,
  • [26:49] Mike: you know, you're doing this thing to a person, but they're not really a they're not. They're they're sort of which is true. I mean, it's like you're which, by the way, people like like they like having that happen to them, but yeah. Yeah, anyway, like you want them to participate. You wanted to be a couple activity. I Dio.
  • [26:53] Keith: I do like enthusiastic participation, but I
  • [26:58] Mike: mean you You realize that, like for women, enthusiastically, participation often involves submitting to you know.
  • [27:03] Keith: I know. I know. I know. This is a is a thing. It's
  • [27:10] Mike: like I let you do these things no other guy gets to do to me like that. To them is often compelling, right?
  • [27:10] Mike: Yeah.
  • [27:14] Keith: No, I get it. And, you know, yeah.
  • [27:25] Keith: Okay. Each his own. Yeah, I think we've were done on this one. We've done a pretty good job avoiding Theano sex topic for a few episodes, but
  • [27:27] Keith: there was opposed this week that I think
  • [27:29] Mike: this one has to be talked about.
  • [27:34] Keith: It's just too good, and it is kind of gross, but, you know, e think
  • [27:37] Mike: this when you say kind of. I think that's underselling it. I think this
  • [27:40] Keith: could be Well, I don't want I don't want to spoil it too much. Before,
  • [27:51] Mike: I just I just wanted to like e think this could be the grossest. It's up there like you could come up with something grosser like people just pooping on each other. But this is pretty gross, so yeah,
  • [27:54] Keith: yeah. I mean, this is certainly. Yeah, but you're
  • [27:55] Mike: brown goggles on people.
  • [27:57] Keith: Okay? Yeah.
  • [28:03] Keith: Yeah. You know, this one only has around 100 up votes, but if you search by controversial it,
  • [28:08] Keith: you would have more interested. It has so many down votes so that so the net is only up 100.
  • [28:11] Mike: Can you tell how many up and down it
  • [28:17] Keith: s So if on Reddit, if you sort by most controversial, that's, uh,
  • [28:20] Keith: the problem. It's like vote total rather than most up votes.
  • [28:32] Mike: But you can't see, actually, like if this has, like, 100,000 up $100,000 it's not like it's not like the presidential election, where it's like with, you know, razor than yeah. Um
  • [28:32] Mike: Okay,
  • [28:41] Keith: so this person says way sort of gave it away. Anyway, I convinced my boyfriend to tell me his kink, and now I'm looking at it differently
  • [28:43] Keith: and this person really draws it out, which is
  • [29:04] Mike: hang out. You said we gave it away. But I guarantee you, dear listener, unless you've seen those, it's not gonna be what you think it is. We did not give it away. This is going to surprise you because I'm a yeah, I've never heard a single person have. This is their king. So going. Yeah, OK, I've never seen a porn of this either. And that's really what? The rule. Rule 34. Whatever. 23. Whatever it is,
  • [29:06] Keith: you may have a
  • [29:09] Keith: Okay. All right, I'm going to read.
  • [29:13] Mike: Yeah, I think people could make it clear this was what was happening in the porn if they wanted to be going. Yeah, let's do
  • [29:36] Keith: it. Fine. Yeah, we could litigate that after. Okay, Honestly, I consider myself to be a pretty open person. Sexually. I've done a lot of things that I thought I would never do, because I honestly I'm a late bloomer. I didn't have sex until I was 21. All my friends were having sex at 15 and was pretty tame and only did it in relationships. I went through a little hoe phase when I was 25 when I experimented a lot and did a lot of kinky shit. Shouldn't
  • [29:37] Keith: you know,
  • [29:38] Keith: shame, people? That's the
  • [29:46] Mike: face. That's the phase that all all men want to participate in. How did you get your pan out? How do I know when you're in your face?
  • [30:16] Keith: right. She spells at H o E. But anyway, I know what she means. I then went celibate for two years, and now I'm with my boyfriend. Sexually, it was hard getting my head into the game because I was celibate for two years. And then I started having sex with my boyfriend. I felt like a virgin again. L o l. I did masturbate when I was celibate, though. The point being he thought I wasn't freaky and pretty vanilla. It took him a while to convince him that I do have a kinky side of me. But it was mostly B D S M and fandom type stuff. Okay, now that when I read that sentence, I was like, Where is this going? But that's not where it's going.
  • [30:24] Mike: Famed, um, is where. I mean, I always think with Famed um, this is a type of porn. I discovered a pretty tender age.
  • [30:32] Mike: Eso I remember it. It's cool. It's burned in my friend and I always imagine women with strap on. So pegging in other words, Yeah, it's not always that, but that's what I imagine.
  • [30:55] Keith: Yeah, that that that's the core of the phantom genre. Uh, important anyway, right? He told me he's kinky as well, but isn't into BDs Um like that. I asked him to tell me his kink and he said he wasn't there yet. I understood. After a year and a half of being together, he finally felt comfortable enough to tell me his kink when he let when he let me indulge on mine. I love being dominant, but he hates being submissive, so we don't do it often
  • [30:58] Keith: his kink,
  • [31:04] Keith: he told me his ultimate kink is having anal sex dot, dot, dot with poop still in the ass.
  • [31:30] Keith: It feels 1000 times better than vagina and normal. Anil, because it's hotter, temperature wise, causes and causes more friction. It feels way better. And his creamier lord, I was I was shocked. I mean, I've done anal in the past, but never with shit in my ass. Exclamation point scat in general is nasty to be. But the idea of his kink makes me so disgusted.
  • [31:46] Keith: I think that you say and not. But I tried to hold in my shock and disgust and told him we would have to talk more in depth after I do research and he said cool. But now I'm looking at him different. That that that's the post.
  • [31:48] Keith: Um,
  • [31:50] Keith: okay. All right.
  • [31:53] Keith: I want to get to like,
  • [31:57] Keith: I don't know where to start here. Is it Would it feel like, Okay,
  • [32:01] Keith: how does the colon work, like is the is the is the poop normally, like
  • [32:05] Keith: really close to the butthole
  • [32:09] Keith: e? Not totally. Does that only happen right before you
  • [32:10] Keith: take a shit?
  • [32:14] Mike: Yeah, I'm not totally clear on that, but I think like this would be
  • [32:16] Mike: well, okay.
  • [32:22] Mike: I mean, so I've had a little bit of this experience before, but it was a negative thing, and it was not
  • [32:24] Mike: desired.
  • [32:25] Mike: Um
  • [32:28] Keith: oh, boy. Go on. I guess.
  • [32:39] Mike: Well, hang on a second. Hang on a second. Like, I feel like every guy and most experienced men have had this situation where you have your fingers and a girl's vagina and you feel some poop. I mean, there, you matching test.
  • [33:04] Mike: Well, you could feel through the wall there, that there's something you're saying what I've had. Well, you're never totally sure. I mean, you're like, huh? Is this your tailbone? Like, what is that? But like, maybe you have another this experience I have because here's like what's me? And I think that usually like look, uh, sometimes, uh, is what it is. I mean something, you know, there's no, there's no mysteries here. It's that's what it is. Uh, eso and also
  • [33:09] Keith: you can't established. I can't. I have not established
  • [33:14] Keith: texture. And also, I think it varies depending depending on what you eat.
  • [33:49] Mike: Oh, sure. But I was just suffice it to say that I've had some situations I didn't ask. Of course she might not have known, but I was pretty sure that's what was going on. Um, that being said, I mean, like, look as a man, we all have mostly the same body parts and yeah, I mean, like, yes, I think that like it can because, you know, you've had the everybody everybody's had the experience of holding a poop in And of course, what does that mean? It means it's down there in the rectum getting readyto proceed, and you're holding it. So that's obviously where it's going to be. And so, like yeah, like, I mean, this is ah, holy possible thing. I mean, I can't imagine it being very comfortable for the woman.
  • [33:55] Mike: Uh uh, just physically setting aside the fact that it's kind of gross. Yeah.
  • [33:58] Keith: I mean, I don't I don't I certainly don't like
  • [34:02] Keith: having sex when I need to, uh,
  • [34:08] Keith: how to say this euphemistically use the restroom. Um,
  • [34:10] Keith: but
  • [34:12] Keith: yeah,
  • [34:14] Keith: this is, uh
  • [34:14] Keith: I
  • [34:21] Mike: mean, like, my first. When I read this, I thought to myself, This is a either, Like a kid who's writing like a post. That's just just
  • [34:31] Keith: assumed Let's let's stipulate it's really just for the sake of the conversation e everything we always talk about the show like this is like 87% chance is fake.
  • [34:32] Keith: Sure. Yeah.
  • [34:47] Mike: Okay. I mean, but some of it Yeah. Okay, Yeah, because we could To be fair, we pick out the ones that are more controversial or interesting or were additional Sure. Uh, let's But Okay. What I what I really thought was Hey, this guy, this is like some very,
  • [34:58] Mike: um, meta way for the guy to break up with a girl. He's like, I know what I'm gonna do. Guys, I'm gonna suggest an act that no one could ever want to dio.
  • [35:01] Mike: And then and then we'll see what's what you know, that's it was partly
  • [35:05] Keith: my interesting thought. That's an interesting thought. I suppose it's possible. I
  • [35:09] Mike: mean, for starters, like, there would be the issue of issue of texture, like
  • [35:22] Mike: depending on, Like, this is just unbelievable, because it's like, Look, everybody's had the experience where you poop, and it's a little bit harder than other times in that situation. I think you could actually injury your Penis
  • [35:24] Mike: like you get in there and it would be like,
  • [35:29] Keith: I don't really know. I mean soon. Like
  • [35:48] Keith: Like, how does even the physics of this work OK, so you go in okay? Okay. I'm gonna put a time limit of, like, three more minutes on this conversation. Sure, that's that's a very good good. Yeah. All right. So you go in and then yeah. I mean, does it displace it? Does it Does it go through it? And it probably depends on the consistency of the poop.
  • [35:48] Keith: I was
  • [36:00] Mike: thinking it would displace. It could displace one of two ways I could displace pushing it further in, or I could display sort of to the side. Yeah, I was actually imagining to the side which would go along with his notion that, like it,
  • [36:11] Keith: Didn't he say provided lubrication? No, he said. It causes more friction and feels way better and is more from this is This is the word that this is an and his creamier.
  • [36:13] Keith: See that when that
  • [36:16] Mike: word makes me think it's not riel.
  • [36:19] Mike: I mean, I realized that like I'm supposed to be. Oh,
  • [36:29] Keith: look, Okay, Okay, look, we were down to two minutes. There's there's a there's ah, you can imagine a poop consistency that it would sort of
  • [36:33] Keith: envelope your cock while you're in there.
  • [36:37] Keith: Some Goldilocks zone of poop consistency.
  • [36:44] Keith: Um, I'm not saying I'm not saying I think it would feel better. I'm just saying This is a thing that is
  • [36:45] Keith: imaginable.
  • [36:57] Mike: Yeah, I don't think that would A I don't think it would make any difference, because I mean, it's like you're basically just displacing internal organs and intestines and stuff with poop, and it's like I don't think that would feel that different and be like it's uh
  • [37:11] Mike: uh like I don't I don't think that's like the tip of the typical way sensations. It's like it's like it's like it's like almost a misunderstanding of what sex feels like, Like most of them sensation no matter what orifice you go after except me, your throat.
  • [37:18] Mike: That's what I mean. Frankly, that's to a previous topic. That's one of the things that makes a deep throat feel different is that there's actually a
  • [37:29] Mike: constricted area further in, which is unusual in the female body or in anybody. Uh, yeah. So anyway, the experience is usually a kind of a tight ring, followed by less tight. Right?
  • [37:37] Keith: Right. And so he might be wanting. He might be wanting to create Yeah, to To to mitigate that less tightness with
  • [37:37] Keith: Yeah,
  • [37:50] Mike: but I don't think that would work, because it would just be You're just like the only poop creates tightness. It would just create, like, I suppose, if it was so full that, like the intestines, couldn't hold it all. This doesn't seem way almost out of time. Yeah,
  • [38:05] Keith: 30 seconds, but were allowed to finish early. Uh, yeah, yeah, I know what I know what you're gonna say. Yeah? Yeah. You know, maybe he just likes this idea in the abstract. He's never really tried it. He's just, like, hopeful that this whole
  • [38:20] Mike: Yeah. I mean, like, like honestly, like any. Any rational person would rather have her be clean. And then, if you really wanted some substance in there, would be to put some lubricant. Ershon's put some substance in there that's clean or
  • [38:21] Mike: they can't go for this.
  • [38:22] Keith: Cannot recommend this, by
  • [38:34] Mike: the way. Yeah, I know this crazy like O E. I mean, you know what it sounds? Honestly, if I mean, if this was being really, I would say this person has a poop fetish. That's what's going on. He's like he's a copper Ophelia or whatever the word is.
  • [38:42] Keith: Yeah, I think it it could be that or he's confused or the whole thing is fake. Then I'm not sure what percentage chance I would apply to each of those things.
  • [38:46] Mike: Yeah, but I mean I but I But to be clear, like if a woman,
  • [38:51] Mike: it was like, Hey, I really want anal. I know we're out of time, but and she was like, I got a full load for you back there.
  • [38:59] Mike: My first pats thought sorry. After I had the obvious thoughts. My first kind of practical thought would be like,
  • [39:01] Mike: Well, if her poop is kind of drive is going to hurt.
  • [39:13] Mike: It'll be my first pass. Worry is like, this is actually going to physics, cause I feel like I've had poops before that if just based on the way they felt as they came out of my body, they wouldn't feel great rubbing against a Penis anyway. That's yeah,
  • [39:25] Keith: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we're done there. Alright, We're gonna We're gonna We're gonna go halfway back away from, you know? I mean, this is still asked related, but it's but it's more abstract. Okay? This person says, Do you kiss your partner after they just ate your ass?
  • [39:30] Keith: My significant other. Occasionally it's my ass, and we both very much enjoy it.
  • [39:44] Keith: I always make sure to clean the area very thoroughly. Beforehand, of course, varies in all caps, but then after they're done eating my ass and we move on to other activities, I get weirdly squeamish about kissing them on the mouth because, well, they just had their mouth on my butthole.
  • [39:57] Keith: But then I think I shouldn't have such a problem with it since I always make sure I'm very clean. And my partner is the one actually putting their mouth in that area. so the least I could do is kiss them afterwards. I was just wondering how other people feel about this. This doesn't
  • [40:06] Mike: matter at all. But I just spaced and missed it. Like e just this matters for me imagining the situation. What is the gender of what? The genders of the participants here?
  • [40:07] Keith: Uh, it doesn't say.
  • [40:13] Mike: Doesn't say. Okay, so that was OK. It's because because I feel like it matters.
  • [40:18] Mike: It's This is just purely being a CIS male like the, uh the
  • [40:20] Mike: If it's a guy's Buttle, it's grosser to me.
  • [40:30] Keith: Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I guess I read this as a heterosexual woman describing her boyfriend wanting to kiss her after
  • [40:32] Keith: renting her or whatever.
  • [40:33] Keith: Um,
  • [40:35] Keith: but
  • [40:47] Keith: yeah, look. Okay, I think porn makes Anil Place sort of strange. Like like, you'll see people you know, having anal sex and then, like, immediately switching to vaginal sex. Um,
  • [40:58] Keith: why you don't do that? No. Why is that Is it that like, Okay, that is well known to be a terrible idea, right? Like it could give you t eyes and various infections and
  • [40:58] Keith: yeah,
  • [41:11] Mike: I mean, like, would you wanna I mean like, Well, I guess guys don't have annoy. Would you want to have somebody jam something with poop on it up your nose? Yeah. It's like you're right. You shouldn't. It's just obviously a mistake to jam poop. Okay,
  • [41:16] Keith: but they're doing it in porn. Do they have some trick toe, like, make it cleaner?
  • [41:32] Mike: Yeah. I mean, I've researched this Ah, little like probably in my entire life less than 30 minutes. But I have looked it up. And yeah, like, I think they do like, really, really extensive cleanses. It's still not gonna be perfect. And there's another thing in porn where you don't know. Like maybe the woman's wearing some sort of, like female condom or something. Yeah, they could have somebody
  • [41:58] Keith: like, Have you seen the movie like, um, what was that movie Bird, Cage or Birdman? Where, like, everything was done in one take or there was the 1919, 17. The whole movie was done in one shot, and they used these tricks that make it look like it's one shot, even though they, like, obviously have to cut every once in a while. Maybe there's some sort of like porn camera technique where they are actually pausing and cleaning before.
  • [42:06] Keith: Well, yeah, it's still like an appointment. Make it seem like one shot like Like it's supposed to seem like one shot because that's supposed to be taboo and cool.
  • [42:32] Mike: I think that, yes, I I was exactly what I was going to jump in and say, Is that like, I think that they because of that quote unquote risk that they would do that. My impression is, well, I know there are, uh, this isn't my cup of tea for porn either. But there are one. It's very common for them to really flagrantly make it obvious that they've gone asked Vagina like they It's where it couldn't be to Texas like all everything's moving and they like, it's very clear that, like they've done that, Yeah,
  • [42:52] Keith: there's some famous cinematographer who I think won the Oscar for both of those movies. Uh, it's just be funny of like he's doing the same Thio create disgusting effects in porn. In any case, I would I would rather not make out with someone after they were eating beating my ass.
  • [42:52] Keith: I don't think
  • [43:01] Mike: this person's weird. Do you think that if you were doing that to a woman. Do you think she should be willing to make out with you afterward?
  • [43:01] Keith: What if you
  • [43:06] Mike: just, like, went down there just for one quick, uh, lick?
  • [43:07] Mike: Is there a limit?
  • [43:11] Keith: Let's Let's let's let's move this back a little bit. Like I don't even want
  • [43:12] Keith: to
  • [43:16] Keith: kiss someone who's just given me a blow job.
  • [43:37] Mike: Yeah, but that's okay. Yeah, this, but this is okay. This gets back to the whole whole tasting urine semen thing, which I contend is everywhere in always a question of refractory period. This is because it's not because you are inherently grossed out by it. And like, let me ask you this If you're getting a blow and she's in the middle of it in the middle of it now, you have finished yet. Will you kiss
  • [43:40] Keith: her?
  • [43:47] Keith: Yeah, I suppose. Yes. Yes, I will. Yes, I will. Okay. For me, that doesn't There's pre come.
  • [43:53] Mike: Yeah, that was where I was getting, like, for me. That doesn't bother me at all. And it's because I'm aroused in my disgust reflexes down.
  • [43:58] Mike: But then I totally flips, right? That's my experience. It sounds like from your hesitation, Actually,
  • [44:05] Mike: it bothers you even during which is fine. It just means that, like you and I have different Like amounts of disgust lowering during sex.
  • [44:07] Keith: Yeah. I mean,
  • [44:16] Keith: you're right. Like at that moment, I'm still, like, hyper aroused. And I do really, generally enjoy kissing my partners. So, uh,
  • [44:24] Mike: I only do if I'm if I'm around like I like I'm a zoo. You may recall. I don't like sharing glasses with people a glass of drink,
  • [44:28] Keith: especially, especially never a toothbrush. Oh,
  • [44:35] Mike: my Lord, that Yeah, that's revolting to me. But in this case, like so So the point is like, it's it's very situational.
  • [44:36] Mike: Um,
  • [44:44] Mike: but anyway, okay, so and so anyway, that my my boy was just to defend against the notion that, like the kissing after the kissing after Nutting is a specific case
  • [44:55] Mike: of men having this hue in my view of men having this huge reduction in their libido following. Except for that one guy we saw at the beginning of this episode who appears to be able to perform
  • [44:57] Mike: continually without any problem, he
  • [45:01] Keith: could he could produce semen on cue. Like a party trick.
  • [45:04] Mike: Yeah, he probably just if he's thirsty, just scored some in his mouth. He's like,
  • [45:47] Keith: Yeah, I wanna Okay, There's another like topic here, and it's only like one paragraph. So I want to read it because it's a proposal. What we're talking about here, this person says, as per recommendation of other posters on this Read it. I finally worked up the nerve to taste my own. Come what a fucking disgusting fluid. That may be the most vile thing I've ever had in my mouth. I mean, seriously, I would be more concerned of any future girlfriend does swallow that trash than if she didn't l m a o How the fuck does anyone drink that shit? Edit on the topic of diet because everyone is talking about it a multiple fruits and vegetables every day and drink plenty of water. I've also never drunk alcohol or done any drugs. I'm not saying my diet couldn't improve, But if it's this big of a factor, as people claim, I'm having a hard time believing it would be as bad as it. This guy's dispelling the notion that his semen is particularly vile.
  • [45:47] Keith: Yes,
  • [45:51] Mike: So there's a couple things a couple things I would say here. I mean, did you have something I want to say first.
  • [45:56] Keith: No, I just wanted to mention that, like, I'm not the only one that finds
  • [46:00] Keith: like even though, like concept of tasting my semen. Disgusting.
  • [46:04] Mike: Well, no, it's not the cotton. Hang on your I think your
  • [46:23] Mike: you're changing with this guy Said to fit your narrative. It's not the concept that bothers him. He did it. He did it. He was like, all right. And then it was actually vile right, which I believe him. I mean, no reason not to. And I've heard that it was a couple things. One is that some people, I think just genetically, it's not great. And secondly, I read something about how,
  • [46:36] Mike: like something about like, people, peoples, that the taste of other people's bodily fluids or something could be an indication of, like, the compatibility, their immune systems or something like that. And so, like, it could be like it could be the like,
  • [46:38] Mike: something like that. Like some notion that, like
  • [46:59] Mike: look, if it fits the narrative, so it's probably it might not be true, might not be scientifically valid, right? It fits the narrative that oh, there, you know there's there's someone who's out there is right for you because they're they're fluids. Taste good to you or something, but, you know, it could be the different people have different experiences of different peoples flavor. And so he might, for whatever reason, find himself disgusting.
  • [47:05] Keith: I mean, wouldn't I Wouldn't his immune system be compatible with his in his own?
  • [47:30] Mike: It's not that it's like and again, this is like, I think I read this isn't like, uh, your trip prior review. You're not quoting from nature magazine, right? Certainly from, like, the bottom of an ad in Cosmo. But it was something like, If you're compatible and actually with immune system, that actually means not the same, right you don't have. You don't have immune systems that come Diversity. Yeah.
  • [47:40] Mike: So it might be that tasting your own is pretty and also like evolutionarily like tasting your own doesn't seem good at all, right? It's like, why would That should never happen. Yeah, what a waste.
  • [47:50] Mike: Yeah, but But I said from my not like, I don't comprehensively. But I have tried it, and I found it just to be benign. So maybe that either means that I am benign.
  • [47:57] Mike: generally or means that to myself. Whatever it wasn't, it didn't bother me. And the other thing he's saying does not recognizable to me. Although I have no reason to think he's lying.
  • [48:06] Keith: Hey, but okay, the reason why I brought this up is maybe there's a bell curve with this, which is like some people can tolerate
  • [48:12] Keith: the taste of a little bit of poop or a little bit of seeing that Jesus had a better better than others.
  • [48:16] Keith: And I think I think I'm, like, fairly left on that bell curve.
  • [48:23] Mike: You're saying that you you can't. You you You're saying that you have a refined palate that cannot tolerate the next.
  • [48:24] Mike: Could be. I mean,
  • [48:28] Keith: I mean, I have to make sure I'm pretty sure that,
  • [48:31] Keith: um, group isn't supposed to be in my mouth.
  • [48:51] Mike: Sure, E. I think I think maybe maybe the right thing to do here is for you to make some sort of deal where if we get to a certain number of listeners or some sort of thing, that you'd be willing to do the taste test on yourself and report back. But it's entirely possible that, like me, which I just see, my experience was the opposite of this comment. And my experience was like, Look, this shit's benign people should stop complaining, so I mean, I would
  • [48:58] Keith: I would I would taste my own semen if there was sufficient incentive. I don't know what that incentive would need to be, but
  • [49:12] Mike: well, I know I know very well that women theory lovely young ladies that you sometimes date or c socially do sometimes listen to our podcast. So, ladies, they're Ugo
  • [49:21] Keith: Ugo. Give this young man an incentive. I think it might be. We owe cash
  • [49:26] Mike: watching. Okay. All right. So it's gonna be it's gonna be a big incentive.
  • [49:36] Mike: Uh, I mean, it shows you a very by model, right? Like, look, as I said before, I think this really comes. Mostly, this isn't a
  • [49:44] Mike: sensitivity to the substance itself. Like you don't like. For example, if you cut yourself and bleed and put in your mouth, Does your own blood discussed you?
  • [49:58] Mike: No, e. I mean, I just don't think it's that now poop would. But that's because it's extra men. I mean, what do you want? But this is, I think, is everything all about the fact that when it comes out is the time the time where you're literally least interested,
  • [50:07] Mike: you know, other than like, Yeah, well, I see you know, you're a Nadia of interest and I think that's what this has to do with and also, but I do think it's very interesting
  • [50:19] Mike: from this commenter in my experience that it's there's such a diversity of experience. It obviously is the case, like it's so if you were to taste it, you might be like Huh? This is fine. You might also be like This is revolting and that might
  • [50:24] Mike: that might give you pause. The fact that there's this huge dichotomy of possible experiences might frighten you.
  • [50:39] Keith: Yeah. I mean, it's not like fear factor where you're eating like some weird torrential or something, right? Like it z this substance that I, you know I don't really want toe want to try, but it's not. It can't be that bad, and it'd be over
  • [50:40] Mike: that
  • [50:43] Mike: I don't want to try it, either. It's just like there's an element of
  • [50:44] Keith: Well, I guess I mean, there's an
  • [50:49] Mike: element of curiosity in life, right? It's like, What's this gonna be like? They're like, Oh, my experience was like, Oh, it's not that interesting.
  • [50:54] Keith: Yeah, My curiosity. It has not yet exceeded my discussed, but
  • [50:55] Keith: And to
  • [50:59] Mike: be clear, I want to be clear with our listeners. I try to taste. I didn't like I'm not.
  • [51:09] Mike: I didn't, like, stand on my head and, you know, ejaculated full load in my mouth or something. E whatever. Not that I have anything against that. I just That's just not what I did. Yeah. Do
  • [51:14] Keith: you have anything else to say about kissing your partner after they ate your ass? I don't think there's really
  • [51:25] Mike: I'm con I'm con on that, I But I'm con you know, But the problem is like, how do you feel about it the next day? I mean, like, look, it doesn't make them kind of gross Somewhat permanently. I mean, this thing has happened where it's like, Oh,
  • [51:27] Keith: man,
  • [51:29] Keith: yeah,
  • [51:34] Keith: yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh,
  • [51:38] Keith: yeah, yeah. I'm not interested in
  • [51:51] Keith: really having my ass eaten in the first place. And then and then then and then, like, you know, Step four of that is after that's happened there, coming up to make out like that's gonna be a pass for me I think,
  • [51:51] Keith: Yeah,
  • [51:59] Mike: I mean, I think they're just like they're just There's there's a They're two different paths on this one, and some people are kind of into the but more than others, their Ugo.
  • [52:01] Keith: Um,
  • [52:07] Keith: okay, we have time for one more topic. I kind of want to do this person talking about dick pics could be awesome.
  • [52:12] Keith: Yeah, Um, you have not You have not read this one, right?
  • [52:20] Mike: E think I skimmed this one. You know, I read the sex. I'll read it sufficiently often that it's hard to. It's hard to throw one by me, so
  • [52:28] Keith: Right, right. But but yeah, you got to pick and choose the ones to hyper focus on or else you you have no time for anything else in the day. Um, okay. This
  • [52:35] Mike: person, most people I focus on the ones that confirm my already believing narrative already exist, right? So, yeah,
  • [53:22] Keith: that's that's the world we live in. So, um, okay, dick pics could be awesome. The problem is that most guys go about it wrong, so, you know, here's some tips for the dick pickers out here. All right? There is a huge misconception out there that women hate penises. That's not true. Penises could be sexiest fuck. Unfortunately, most guys put zero creativity or thought into their dick pics. Allow me to explain as we're speaking, cinematography. Um, three only reason we should be receiving depicts from you is if we have consented. Right. And the only reason we will have consented is because we like you, right? So show us some of you in the pick to clarify. We don't literally mean we want you to show your face. What we're saying is that we want the pick to be distinctly. You inject some of your winning personality into it. Experiment. Be bold, be different. Be unique.
  • [53:51] Keith: If if we wanted to see some generic picture of a dude's wang, we'd log on to read it. We want to see your Wang because your Wang is amazing because it's part of you and you are amazing. Wang's air freaking dope. Okay, I'm going to stop saying Wang now. Seriously, Do do seriously though dudes tease us little What would turn you on more? I don't like this analogy she makes, but I'm going to read it. A girl sending you a random close up shot of her breasts? Or would it be better if she sent you a pic of her hard nipples poking through that top you bought for her birth but
  • [54:02] Keith: bought for her birthday, then followed it up with a short video of her, slowly pulling her top up and jiggling her tits in front of you just the way you like it? That's such an obvious false dichotomy, but I think
  • [54:04] Mike: I like the first one better. But go on. Yeah,
  • [54:09] Keith: yeah, I mean, for starters, it's not clear. And then, secondly, anyway, Alright, I don't like
  • [54:13] Mike: the videos where they jiggle like that, because I feel like
  • [54:22] Mike: I feel like there e feel like they they're being presumption. It's about knowing what I want. And I don't want that. Actually, it's just when they dance around. I don't want that. I want something more violative than that.
  • [54:33] Keith: Okay, it's It's to performative, right? This one says, Alright, we're almost done here. Nothing gets me wetter than a pic of my boyfriend's rock hard cock running down the thigh of those sweatpants I bought him last Christmas.
  • [54:54] Keith: She's really into the e. Think her love language might be gift giving the rest, The rest can come later. It's the journey that gets those ladies going. Never the destination. Do we have that covered Now? What does she mean? Ah, pic of my boyfriend's rock hard cock running down the thigh of those sweatpants. What did she mean underneath the sweat pants?
  • [55:00] Mike: It is she She has the misunderstanding that men's erections could go down their leg. Yeah, she's confused about that. I
  • [55:00] Keith: mean, if they
  • [55:03] Mike: can, if you're sitting, I guess you have to be the right angle.
  • [55:04] Mike: Um, so that means I e.
  • [55:09] Keith: In this particular case, it's not even a dick pic. It's like a
  • [55:15] Keith: It's well, you can see the silhouette of a dick underneath some clothing.
  • [55:24] Mike: Yes, that's what Oh, good point, right? It's not. Yeah, it's just It's just although, yeah, I mean, you can have one that's fairly revealing, like where you can see like the
  • [55:27] Mike: the ridge of the head and stuff. I mean, I could sort of It's
  • [55:30] Keith: really met if it's really mad it against the material. I'm just
  • [55:46] Mike: glad that the gifts that she wants pictures with our clothes and not like, say, a lawnmower, right, right, right. Look, just show me a picture of a lawnmower cutting your cock off that car I gave you. I want to see your dick in the gas. Gas filled. You just It's just so Anyway,
  • [55:46] Mike: I
  • [55:51] Keith: don't really understand what her advice here is
  • [55:51] Keith: to
  • [55:54] Mike: me. To me, the way this works is that
  • [56:03] Mike: this is amusing to me, but a little bit amusing in a meadow way and that it's like I disagree with her. I think women don't want these pictures
  • [56:05] Mike: generally, and
  • [56:20] Mike: But what this is, is women being like okay, they're just sort of acknowledging and accepting that men want to send them. She's like, Okay, thing is a coping mechanism. Looks like Okay, so I have to cope with this. So what do I do? And so she's trying to come up with something else in the picture that will make her feel good.
  • [56:23] Mike: Yeah, that's to me. That's what's going on here is like, actually, she's She's
  • [56:26] Mike: very carefully saying she's okay with, um but she's not actually which
  • [56:27] Keith: makes sense
  • [56:30] Mike: to me. Nobody wants to see that.
  • [56:31] Keith: I
  • [56:35] Keith: don't Yeah, I mean, I think that
  • [56:41] Keith: yeah, penises are mawr of ah, tool than a beautiful device I think,
  • [56:43] Keith: um,
  • [56:45] Keith: like,
  • [56:49] Keith: yeah, like a super close up of, like, you know,
  • [56:53] Keith: you know, a labia or something would not be
  • [56:55] Keith: arousing.
  • [57:02] Keith: It could be it could be. Yeah, it's hard. You know what the analogy is there a part of a woman that, like,
  • [57:05] Keith: isn't arousing in some contexts?
  • [57:07] Keith: Maybe there isn't a good analogy here.
  • [57:12] Mike: I think that it's hard to find like an armpit arousing,
  • [57:13] Mike: mhm,
  • [57:17] Mike: just yeah, but most parts of a woman's body people their mental fetishized
  • [57:17] Keith: because that's just
  • [57:22] Mike: like, yeah, that's what men do. Men fetishized women's bodies like there you go. And the thing is, women
  • [57:30] Mike: generally don't. I mean, I think that, like if you were going to say what part of a man's body they're going to say Something kind of annoying, like his eyes or a smile may probably abs, I think. Abs.
  • [57:41] Keith: Yeah, I think, you know, like when people have those like two lines that sort of like converged on towards their growing. I don't know what that's called, but oh, yeah, sure, I heard women. Let's say they like that and
  • [57:45] Mike: the shoulders thing, like the kind of track back or whatever these kinds of things make sense, but like
  • [57:48] Keith: things that project, like confident strength, you. And if there's
  • [57:59] Mike: a woman listening, who thinks that she's like, No, I kind of like a hard cock. Okay, fine. First, I mean, it's probably what you associate with, but okay, fine. But now let's talk about the scrotum
  • [58:18] Mike: because, honestly, no, like women don't That's not There's no woman ever whose fetishized that it's just the truth. And it's right there. I mean, look, it's hard for me to watch in porn like it's irritating like, and you don't want it not to be there, because then he's deformed. But it's like Man's sucks like I don't want to see that bums me out.
  • [58:23] Keith: It's not in attractive piece of the human body.
  • [58:25] Keith: Yeah, Oh,
  • [58:27] Keith: yeah. Okay, so, yeah, I mean, I think
  • [58:34] Keith: I mean, I think the reality here is this person is wrong, and I don't even understand exactly what she's saying
  • [58:41] Keith: like she like. The whole premise is that Dick pics could be awesome. But then the only example she gives is a covered dick
  • [58:44] Keith: wearing clothes that she gave him
  • [58:52] Mike: E mean, that's what's really going on here. I mean, I like. I mean, if you give her the benefit of the doubt, you know? Ah,
  • [59:00] Mike: yeah, I mean, I just think that like I just right, it's like the reality. It's hard, though, because the reality is that like women's and men's motivations, air just different, like women are
  • [59:06] Mike: typically speaking, not speaking for everybody, but typically, women are more relational interested in the person,
  • [59:22] Mike: and men are absolutely like it or not just interested in body parts. And it's just the way like May have a man could just walk down the street. And yeah, I mean, like, you know, it's a There's like an animal level to that right where animals do the same thing. So that's where you are. And so, like, it just makes sense to me. They wouldn't want them, but
  • [59:59] Mike: the advent look. And here's another thing. Before there were smartphones before, it was easy to do this. This wasn't even a thing, and women were perfectly said there wasn't. There was no woman in 1985 like man, if I could just some dick Polaroids that didn't happen like no woman, and I'm sure there I, by the way, I'm sure guys were giving them to them. Occasionally. They're just like, Come on. No woman wanted that. There was no market for this. There was absolutely market for porn for men and maybe for some types of porn for women, but no dick pics. So this is not This is not a thing. This is women coping thing men. And then the interestingly, I often wonder I have wondered many times about Why do men
  • [60:04] Mike: what is going on with men who send these things like Why, like, why would they don't want it? I
  • [60:16] Keith: don't I don't know. I mean, there must be some sort of self obsession and then, like some sort of combined so that that's that ZA requirement. And then also requirement is
  • [60:18] Keith: a delusion about
  • [60:20] Keith: what the effect will be when you send
  • [60:23] Mike: Have have you ever considered sending one?
  • [60:38] Mike: No. And he said, Yeah, me either. And the only time I ever think of a dick pic literally is to injure someone. I view it as a weapon. It was like, Oh, man, it's like somebody will say, Hey, what should I say back to her? And it's because she's being mean, or like he's upset and I'm like, definitely Dick pic, right?
  • [60:41] Mike: That's like it's like, Yeah, it's because then it's like I know I know that will injury.
  • [60:49] Keith: It's like comedy, right? Like it za preposterous thing like it's a thing, you know,
  • [60:52] Mike: It's like it's like they're very few things. It's a very few absolutes in life,
  • [61:00] Mike: and this is the thing that you absolutely knows he doesn't want. That's why I mean, that's why that SNL video Dick in a box is so funny,
  • [61:07] Mike: right? Is because literally zero women ever have wanted that. That's why in this comedy, right? It's like, yeah,
  • [61:08] Keith: right,
  • [61:13] Keith: Yeah, yeah, it requires, like a narcissism and a confusion. Um, either
  • [61:20] Mike: that or they're just a lot of like, hilarious comedians out there sending, sending just That's what's going on. These all these dick pics. Actually,
  • [61:21] Keith: then they could be
  • [61:38] Mike: men. Maybe what's really going on is women get like, Maybe that's right. Maybe a lot of the women who get them on say, tinder bumble are actually ugly or unattractive or not funny or whatever. And so they think guys. But it's actually just teasing them and making fun of them. Maybe that's what it's a misinterpretation,
  • [61:43] Keith: although I've I've heard very attractive women complain about it as well. Maybe some men
  • [61:51] Mike: like that could be violence to It could be a guy because he knows she's not gonna has no chance. He's like, He's like, you know, take it.
  • [62:01] Keith: Yeah, e the positive. The most positive possible light is something like, Okay, they're not. They're not aware
  • [62:10] Keith: that they definitely don't want it. Or maybe they know that. But it's such a clear announcement of intention
  • [62:21] Keith: that even though it's like not the ideal announcement of intention, it zone effective one. And so it's effective in that it conveys the intention. It's not effective in that. Like, it's good.
  • [62:24] Keith: It's gonna always get the response you want. Um,
  • [62:31] Mike: sure, but I would love if anybody is still listening this far into the episode, like if there any ladies out there if you have gotten a dick pic from
  • [62:35] Mike: a guy that you were certain you were certain was into you,
  • [62:39] Mike: but it was not a weapon, but it was not violence in somewhere humor
  • [62:41] Keith: we're doing it
  • [62:49] Keith: with with positive intention. Yeah, or anyone disagrees, and they and they think there's some context where you could receive one where you're excited. Ah,
  • [62:53] Keith: yeah. Let us know why. Mmb pod at gmail dot com.
  • [62:56] Mike: Yeah, like I don't That to me is like
  • [63:07] Mike: because I have a suspicion here that like, actually, it's always ironic because it's hard to believe that men really are making that mistake. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe they get drunk. Maybe they're high. Who knows?
  • [63:08] Keith: Yeah.
  • [63:13] Keith: Alright, that's enough. Um, so that'll do it for Episode 18 of your mileage may vary.
  • [63:24] Keith: We'd love some feedback. We pay $10 for any feedback. Why? MMV pod at gmail dot com is always substantive feedback. Yeah, Yeah, right. You can't just send the thumbs down, emoji.
  • [63:30] Mike: And don't just Although you might get the money for a dick pic way did we did get a dick pic. If
  • [63:32] Keith: it's a good one, if it's a good one. Yeah, we
  • [63:35] Mike: got a dick pic and he did not get any money, so yeah,