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Episode 180: "Black Nazi" Mark Robinson, Caroline Ellison's Polyamorous Harem, Oral Feedback, Deep Penetration

Team YMMV | 9-27-2024 | 1:07:45

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With everybody in the media wagging their fingers at Mark Robinson for his posts on a porn site a decade ago, Ally and I take a look at what he said to understand if it's really all that different from what a lot of men get up to in the porn universe. On the sex side some of what he says is probably less unusual than others might imagine. But of course he goes off the rails when talking about broader social issues.

We take a similar look at Caroline Ellison, Sam Bankman-Fried's accomplice who was recently sentenced to hard time in prison. Perhaps she will be able to enact her plans for a hierarchical harem system in the prison setting.

We briefly discuss the revelation that a female journalist was having some sort of affair with RFK Jr. This seems fairly typical, as she is seeking status, and he wants to sext with someone half his age (Who wouldn't?).

And, to bring it back to explicit sex, Ally discusses her experiences with deep vaginal penetration and wonders why men consistently tell her that her oral is the best they've ever experienced.

Here are some articles referenced in the episode:

https://ymmv.me/180/robinson

https://ymmv.me/180/ellison

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/180/deep

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[00:00:00] Mike: Hello and welcome to Your Mileage May Vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial, but mostly in good faith. I'm your host Mike and I'm here with Ali. Ali, you have a question for me, but first I wanted to ask you about something you mentioned in the last episode, which was you said that you wash your hands carefully after masturbating and this has something to do, or maybe before masturbating too, it has something to do with ah not wanting to mix your fluids.
[00:00:27] Mike: You're not wanting to get your, yeah.
[00:00:28] Ally: oh Well, I guess I less often wash my hands before masturbating, but now that I'm thinking about it, I definitely should. um No, it's more like I feel like the scent of the vagina lingers on skin.
[00:00:42] Mike: and Okay.
[00:00:42] Ally: probably due to some you know oil content, et cetera.
[00:00:44] Mike: I'm gonna hang on, but you're worried, you're worried about your saliva contaminating your vagina.
[00:00:49] Ally: um Yes, but that's a separate thing from the hand washing because I don't really, I don't put my fingers in my mouth at any point during masturbating.
[00:00:58] Mike: Okay, here's what I want to...
[00:00:58] Ally: The hand washing is just that I don't want other people to smell it on my hand or to like that sent other places where people would be like, hey, this smells like your vagina.
[00:01:01] Mike: Okay.
[00:01:06] Mike: Yeah. You've reminded me now that it really was that you, what was important to you was that you get wetness from your vagina to masturbate and not use your saliva. That was the thing.
[00:01:14] Ally: Right, right, yeah.
[00:01:15] Mike: Okay. So this is some weird, and also you don't like men giving you oral, which was obviously to me, like you have some, some damage around this.
[00:01:19] Ally: Correct.
[00:01:22] Mike: Um, what I want to know is, uh, what, what's your stance or what happens when a guy wants to sort of alternate between your mouth and vagina with his penis?
[00:01:22] Ally: Right.
[00:01:30] Mike: How does that operate for you?
[00:01:32] Ally: Oh, yeah, so interesting. um I don't prefer it. um I don't want to taste myself on a guy's dick if it has been know I want to say it maybe like 30 minutes or something and like it's definitely dry.
[00:01:50] Ally: That's okay, but not my favorite. Yeah, I would rather there be total separation.
[00:01:54] Mike: 30 minutes. When it dries, like it actually, I would say becomes more odorful than when it's wet.
[00:02:00] Ally: All right.
[00:02:02] Mike: I think, I think actually that you're making a mistake there. I think you want the guy to wash. So, so, so, okay.
[00:02:06] Ally: Yeah, I feel like it would wash.
[00:02:07] Mike: So if a guy's, if you're having sex, PIV, and he sort of pulls out and moves toward your face with his penis, you flee.
[00:02:08] Ally: Yeah, you're right.
[00:02:15] Mike: Or you say, I don't like this.
[00:02:16] Ally: um Yeah, I think I would try to like, you know, reposition myself.
[00:02:22] Mike: Interesting. And if you but now, okay, what about the alternate direction?
[00:02:23] Ally: No,
[00:02:25] Mike: If you're, if he's, if you're giving him a blow and then he moves, do you want him to wash it before he puts it in?
[00:02:31] Ally: no that's okay.
[00:02:31] Mike: here Even though that is putting your saliva in your vagina. Have you considered that?
[00:02:37] Ally: Yeah. I'm okay with that, though. Because sometimes, so, you know, I feel like giving a guy a blowjob helps him
[00:02:40] Mike: Okay. You.
[00:02:45] Ally: get optimally hard for penetration, but then giving a blowjob makes me really wet. So i sometimes I like to do that just as foreplay for myself, because it makes it better for me.
[00:02:54] Mike: Okay. But you don't ask him. You don't have like wet wipes by the the bed to clean it off between.
[00:02:59] Ally: I do have wet wipes by the bed, but we only use them after you know after sex is over. They're post-coital wet wipes.
[00:03:04] Mike: Okay. Okay. Have you ever had a guy go from vagina to your mouth?
[00:03:11] Ally: Yeah.
[00:03:11] Mike: You have had that happen and you didn't like it.
[00:03:13] Ally: Yeah, didn't like it.
[00:03:14] Mike: And it smells weird and the taste, it it just grossed you out.
[00:03:15] Ally: It's not my favorite taste. It smells weird. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
[00:03:25] Mike: Okay, so is this a conversation you have to have typically with partners or they just not not even try? Have you found that like kind of the vagina is the end?
[00:03:32] Ally: Yeah, I feel like it more, you know, not even just more often than not, but like almost exclusively things go from mouth to vagina, not the other way around.
[00:03:41] Mike: and Okay, I don't think I mean, I don't think well, I think it's relatively common to have it go the other direction is to but but yeah, but
[00:03:48] Ally: Oh, why? Where do you want to finish?
[00:03:50] Mike: ah
[00:03:51] Ally: I guess you want to finish in people's mouths. That's why.
[00:03:54] Mike: I mean, I think that people just variety.
[00:03:56] Ally: Hmm.
[00:03:57] Mike: i mean because i think that i think what I think the predilection you have there is unusual. I think most women do not care. they don't It's not a big deal going from a giant amount. Although maybe they're pretending not to care.
[00:04:10] Mike: that that I would be completely open to that.
[00:04:12] Ally: Yeah, do you feel like most women, when masturbating, like taste themselves or like put their hand both places?
[00:04:18] Mike: think Yes. My general sense is not that they taste themselves, but that they just don't, it's like, it doesn't matter.
[00:04:21] Ally: Really?
[00:04:24] Mike: Like it doesn't ah gross them out. Yeah.
[00:04:27] Ally: Oh, OK.
[00:04:27] Mike: But it's not, not the significant, it's not like a guy ingesting his own semen because you don't have the whole.
[00:04:34] Ally: Well, I think to me it is.
[00:04:37] Mike: but Yeah, I think most women don't feel that way, but I could be wrong.
[00:04:39] Ally: ah
[00:04:40] Mike: I'm open to a woman writing in and telling me telling me I'm wrong. Probably I'll just get like a list of stories from guys about all the hot times they went back and forth and then asked a mouth and so forth.
[00:04:51] Mike: Okay, you had a question for me about blowjob reactions, so hit me.
[00:04:51] Ally: Right.
[00:04:54] Ally: Oh, yeah. So when when I give someone a blowjob and they say something like, you know that was the best blowjob I've ever gotten, and they're like, you're so good at that, I assume they're lying.
[00:05:05] Ally: Because I assume that I am not some kind of blowjob savant, and that like every blowjob is essentially the same.
[00:05:08] Mike: Can you, wait, can you, can you try to, can you try to, uh, be, cause I know you are an actress, right?
[00:05:11] Ally: And I don't know why they say these things.
[00:05:18] Mike: You, you are a currently, uh, you were currently, uh, doing, yeah, you're, you're currently in, uh, what do you call it?
[00:05:18] Ally: Yes. I do community theater, yes.
[00:05:26] Mike: Uh, rehearsals for a role that you've gotten.
[00:05:27] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:05:28] Mike: Did you have to audition for this role?
[00:05:30] Ally: I did, yeah.
[00:05:30] Mike: Okay, so you' you you're a somewhat competent, at least somewhat competent, maybe very competent actress. Could you try to use the words the man uses and sort of give us an audience a sense of what they say? Like what you said, oh, they say you're the best I've ever had. but what what What really did they say? And what what tone of voice do they use when they say this?
[00:05:49] Ally: Well, I mean, setting aside that it's like right after they've come, so they're probably predisposed to be.
[00:05:57] Ally: I know.
[00:05:57] Mike: annoyed and they want to, they want you to leave.
[00:05:59] Ally: and know
[00:05:59] Mike: Oh, they're thankful.
[00:06:00] Ally: oh
[00:06:00] Mike: Okay.
[00:06:01] Ally: i Yeah, they'll say like, you know, wow, that was amazing. i Like, you're really good at that. and
[00:06:07] Mike: What's the tone of voice? Like, wow, that was amazing. Or is it like, wow, that was amazing.
[00:06:12] Ally: No, no, no, it's more like an odd tone, I guess I would say.
[00:06:12] Mike: it Okay.
[00:06:16] Ally: like I've had multiple people, like I'm not gonna pull up you know text messages or something, but I've had multiple people say, like you give the best blowjob I've ever had.
[00:06:16] Mike: Okay.
[00:06:24] Ally: But I am 100% convinced that is a lie.
[00:06:24] Mike: Okay.
[00:06:28] Ally: And my question is, why do men feel the need to go so hyperbolic in praise when they could just say, like that was really good, thank you, or like that felt really great? you know like Why do they need to... like um
[00:06:38] Mike: Hang on. I just want to, just so I understand. Okay. So sometimes the guy says it right after the act, this is important to my answer, Mike, my answer to your question.
[00:06:43] Ally: i
[00:06:46] Ally: Yeah.
[00:06:46] Mike: Sometimes you get into the text message. Does that mean they like immediately leave the room and then start texting you from the other room?
[00:06:52] Ally: No, no, no, no.
[00:06:52] Mike: Or is it the next day or you're sort of sexting.
[00:06:54] Ally: and No, this would be like in, you know, in in follow up conversations or something about like, I don't know how great how great I am or like what they, yeah, yeah, sexting, like what they want to do or and why and stuff like that.
[00:07:04] Mike: Okay. Okay.
[00:07:05] Ally: But no, I mean, in in those cases, like the guys who would say that in a text message have also said it like, you know, right after coming, like in, in person and so on, but.
[00:07:15] Mike: Okay. In person, I think that the vast majority of men don't, right after they come, think thoughts like that, because that's not where your state of mind is really.
[00:07:27] Mike: I mean, you're not in a state of mind to try to woo or arouse your partner. Um, so they're saying, I think that I would view it as they're saying that stuff almost in like self-defense.
[00:07:38] Mike: They know it's like a good thing to say, and they,
[00:07:41] Ally: Self defense, like from what? From me doing it again? like
[00:07:45] Mike: No, from them exposing the fact that they really just want you to leave or want to be left alone or want to go to sleep. It doesn't have to be that you leave. Sorry, that's me injecting myself more. But no, let's just say they want to be non-sexual. They want to be non-sexual. I think that's a fair even way of saying it. And so it's something they can say that doesn't reveal that kind of need because they don't want to bum you out. But ah it's not sincere in the sense that it's like they're not, that's not the moment they want to talk about sex. Now, later in a text message, well, then that's like, that's more credible or more, you know, now they're kind of back in sort of sexy thinking.
[00:08:28] Mike: um
[00:08:28] Ally: Yeah. I guess my question though is like, so I agree with what you're saying that like they don't want to talk about sex at that moment. So why are they talking about sex at that moment? They could say literally anything else. Like they could say, like, do you want me to get you a glass of water?
[00:08:37] Mike: Well, because they
[00:08:39] Ally: They could, you know, I mean,
[00:08:41] Mike: Oh, because they want to say something contextual and they want to also ah optimize their odds of a repeat encounter. And so by being, and also, and also from their perspective, like the thing you did was just kind of gross and like required effort and stuff like that.
[00:08:56] Mike: So they don't want to like, they want to like kind of reward you. Now, I of course believe the semen is its own reward, you know, the semen speaks for itself.
[00:09:01] Ally: Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah.
[00:09:05] Mike: So, and you do too. like Do you want them to talk to you right after? Or do you you want, you, you, because you want a dominant
[00:09:10] Ally: I don't care if they talk to me right after, and I don't care if they say, you know, that felt really good or thank you or just some like normal thing. What I don't understand is like that across many men, there's this repeated like, you know, superlative, I don't know, like,
[00:09:20] Mike: Hang on.
[00:09:26] Mike: OK, yeah, I'll get to that in a second, but wouldn't the hottest thing for you just to be if he right after he came in your mouth just told you to like go down to the garage and get back in your box or something like something super dominant like that?
[00:09:27] Ally: great
[00:09:36] Ally: I think that's something you want to know.
[00:09:39] Mike: No, it's not. they So you don't you want them to be engaged. You don't you you you want them to be nice to you.
[00:09:43] Ally: I don't care if they if they talk. like i I would be fine if they want to just like kind of roll over on their back and kind of like close their eyes for a little bit or something. like I don't mean it.
[00:09:52] Mike: so you're happy. you're You're sort of in ah an afterglow of having given them that ah experience and you you enjoyed it.
[00:09:57] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:09:57] Mike: Okay.
[00:09:58] Ally: and
[00:09:58] Mike: um So yeah, the reason, so yeah, of course you're, first of all, there's the issue, look, the best blowjob you've ever gotten in your life as a guy typically is the last one you received, the most recent one you got.
[00:10:10] Mike: Now there could be,
[00:10:10] Ally: So they're saying it every time you're saying it.
[00:10:12] Mike: Yeah, there look, and they may be telling the truth because ah because ah the decay out the decay of the value of a sexual act is kind of rapid.
[00:10:13] Ally: Yeah.
[00:10:21] Mike: So something that happened a month ago has very little value. it's not it isn't the best one you got in your life anymore because it happened so long ago that you don't remember it that well. So they're not necessarily lying.
[00:10:30] Ally: yeah
[00:10:32] Mike: Now that being said, you could be genuinely terrible at giving blow jobs and then I don't think they would say it. So it is possible for someone to actually be bad at it. I think, but I think you sort of asymptotically approach some level of skill where there isn't really any way to get better.
[00:10:47] Ally: Exactly.
[00:10:47] Mike: And I think that's not true.
[00:10:47] Ally: I assume that most women are equivalently good at giving blow jobs. And I also don't understand why okay, but I don't understand why the instinct would be to do some kind of comparison across all of the sexual experiences you've had because like after I get fucked, my instinct is not to say to a guy like, oh, that was the best sex I've ever had.
[00:11:07] Ally: Or like, you know, that was the best dicking I've ever gotten. Because I'm i'm not like thinking back across my life and trying to stack rank this experience.
[00:11:12] Mike: Interesting.
[00:11:15] Ally: Like that just doesn't.
[00:11:16] Mike: Maybe you should. That's an interesting point. So you're saying that there's actually kind of a downside, a mental downside here, which is that by him saying that was the best blow job ever, that you're thinking, well, you're now compare why are you comparing me?
[00:11:28] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:11:29] Mike: Why are you doing this comparison? He doesn't view it that way. He views it as just ah as just like congratulatory or like he's lauding your abilities. He's not ah trying to trying to make you remember that he's had blow jobs from other women.
[00:11:40] Mike: He's just trying to be positive. But it is, it's a what what what do you think he could say just, he could have said he could just say that was great or something like that, that there's no reference, another thing.
[00:11:46] Ally: Yeah, yeah, if he mean if he really wants to single out something that he found unique, you know, like, oh, I really like whatever, you know, that that thing you do with your tongue or like, i yeah, whatever.
[00:11:55] Mike: you You do date kind of losers that don't get a lot of sex probably though, right? Frequently.
[00:12:01] Ally: It varies. um Yeah, yeah.
[00:12:02] Mike: yeah There's a lot of that though, isn't there? So like maybe maybe they haven't had good blow jobs or.
[00:12:07] Ally: I want to say the losers. but like
[00:12:12] Ally: I mean, maybe I would, I don't know. I do date guys who, yes, don't get as much sex as they ideally would. Then again, I don't get as much sex as I ideally would.
[00:12:21] Mike: Well, your typical guy, the typical guy you date is like a five foot five Asian man who plays video games.
[00:12:21] Ally: Maybe this is human condition.
[00:12:26] Ally: No, no. First of all, I've never dated an Asian man, as you know, as a listener.
[00:12:31] Mike: ah
[00:12:32] Ally: I don't even think I've ever, well, no, that's not true.
[00:12:36] Mike: All right. All right. So they're normal, normal height men.
[00:12:40] Ally: Normal height men. Yeah. There's, there's actually a broad distribution.
[00:12:43] Mike: Okay.
[00:12:43] Ally: I do not have a physical type. I've dated a guy who was five foot two. I've dated a guy who was like six foot four, like huge range.
[00:12:48] Mike: ah
[00:12:51] Ally: Um, huge range of ages, huge range of like fitness, like,
[00:12:52] Mike: okay okay
[00:12:55] Mike: Do you notice that the guys that are, do you notice that the taller guys are less likely to say this thing about you giving the best blowjob ever?
[00:13:02] Ally: no, no.
[00:13:03] Mike: Oh, the taller guys say the same.
[00:13:06] Ally: Or, well, yeah. the same or more.
[00:13:08] Mike: No.
[00:13:08] Ally: I think like the shorter guys, I feel like, are a little bit more you know defensive and one want to give off the impression that they get a lot of great blood.
[00:13:09] Mike: Okay.
[00:13:16] Mike: Oh, that's interesting.
[00:13:18] Ally: There was really only that one short guy, and that was my first boyfriend, so he didn't really have a lot of comparison. um
[00:13:24] Mike: Right. How did you, by the way, what, what was the methodology you used? Let's assume that you've asymptotically approached the very high skill level at doing this. What was your training ground?
[00:13:38] Ally: just cracked it.
[00:13:38] Mike: Did you go to like a school? Did you watch porn practice on?
[00:13:40] Ally: No.
[00:13:41] Mike: So there was some guy that like you that gave you tips or you you just tried different things and figure out what worked.
[00:13:47] Ally: Yeah.
[00:13:48] Mike: How do you know you're good at this?
[00:13:48] Ally: Yeah. Trying to do everything like, well, I don't. I mean, I, aside from the feedback and the ability to bring people to orgasm via blowjob, I don't know that I'm good at it or like any better than average or anything, but like,
[00:14:01] Mike: what What action are you typically taking during the blowjob that gets the guy to orgasm? Like what's your go-to move to get that nut out?
[00:14:11] Ally: Um, you know, I don't know if there's a good two movie, but I i do find that guys prefer less variation than maybe I would prefer. Um, they like it to be, you know, like you want to get the entire deck like covered in your saliva and to use your hand at the same time.
[00:14:22] Mike: and Okay.
[00:14:29] Ally: And usually they prefer like more hand than mouth. I find they want like the mouth over the like glands part, but like mostly like hand on shaft, you know, mouth on glands. Um, in my experience,
[00:14:39] Mike: Okay.
[00:14:40] Ally: you know, for most men, I think what has helped me is one, I just really enjoy doing it. And two, as I was telling you before we started recording, like, it makes me very wet to give a blow job.
[00:14:52] Ally: So I prefer to do it as like foreplay for myself to get myself ready, because that reliably makes me really wet. And then that makes sex better for me. So I think it's an enjoyment.
[00:15:01] Mike: Okay. Well, but like Kamala Harris, like Kamala Harris, I feel like you're ducking the question.
[00:15:04] Ally: Yeah.
[00:15:06] Mike: You don't have a, like, if, if, you if you want to get that, let's say you needed that semen out. Let's say that you were like, it's like MacGyver, the TV show MacGyver, and you need that semen in the next three minutes or the bomb's going to explode.
[00:15:17] Mike: Like you don't have, like a so you just keep doing the same thing that you were doing the last three minutes.
[00:15:23] Ally: Um, it depends what signals I've gotten from him in terms of like how ah close he is and what he likes. I would say, um, kind of like, it's hard to describe, like, I guess like a flat tongue over the entire like tip sometimes helps and like tip of tongue at kind of like the underside base of the gland.
[00:15:46] Mike: The frenulum.
[00:15:47] Ally: There's not a whole lot of, yeah, I guess the friend, yeah, there's not a lot of like vocabulary for this difficult to describe.
[00:15:50] Mike: Do you use your, there's plenty of vocabulary, you just don't know it, I think.
[00:15:54] Ally: Yeah.
[00:15:54] Mike: the if you
[00:15:54] Ally: Do you think there's like, I mean, educate me, like, is there some kind of, you know, finish him kind of move that I should be employing?
[00:16:02] Mike: i think of I think it varies by the guy, and I just think that's from porn.
[00:16:05] Ally: Yeah.
[00:16:06] Mike: ah And I think that often it's hard for women to finish men with blowjobs, which is one of the reasons why in porn, a lot of times guys wind up masturbating at the end.
[00:16:06] Ally: good
[00:16:14] Ally: Oh, no.
[00:16:14] Mike: But you're saying you don't you don't have that problem. You are able to extract the semen with your hand and mouth reliably from every guy.
[00:16:20] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:16:23] Mike: Okay, that's that alone is something of an accomplishment. I mean, i that that that I think is not not super common.
[00:16:29] Ally: I feel like if you're not doing it yourself, it's not a blow job. Like if he's just masturbating into your mouth, that doesn't count.
[00:16:35] Mike: Well, it's just the for the semen part. I mean, you know, you could it could just be to sort of get to get over the the edge. um So I think then, but I hear your point. um you ah Are you using, you're using your right hand on a shaft, your right handed?
[00:16:50] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:51] Mike: Okay. are Do you ever use your left hand?
[00:16:53] Ally: Sometimes I'll use both. Sometimes I'll use the left hand.
[00:16:55] Mike: Both.
[00:16:57] Ally: i you know Sometimes I'll have like one hand on the balls, one hand on the shaft.
[00:16:58] Mike: Both.
[00:17:01] Ally: um I mean, both in you know occasions where the shaft is particularly large. um Sometimes it helps to like you know have like kind of one hand just like kind of making a ring at the base so that you can like control a little bit of like tightness around the base.
[00:17:06] Mike: Okay.
[00:17:16] Ally: That helps, I think, keep blood in, and I think also like just varies the sensation.
[00:17:21] Mike: This is some specificity here. okay do you When you're stroking his cock with your hand,
[00:17:26] Ally: Yeah.
[00:17:26] Mike: do you ah
[00:17:28] Ally: Rotate?
[00:17:28] Mike: you just yeah do you you do you do some sort of rotation move?
[00:17:28] Ally: Yeah.
[00:17:31] Mike: And the reason I wanted to bring that up is I um have a friend from high school who at some point we were talking, this was like you know when we were in our 20s, we were talking about blowjobs.
[00:17:31] Ally: Yeah.
[00:17:44] Mike: And he made a motion with his hand, but like I forget, he would he was he was basically we were joking or something. And it was like he made the blowjob motion and he he did that move with his hand where he was rotating his hand on the shaft as the joke.
[00:17:52] Ally: Yeah.
[00:17:59] Ally: Yeah.
[00:18:00] Mike: And that made me I i saw that and I was like, I wonder if he's gay, because I wouldn't ever have done that.
[00:18:05] Ally: As opposed to that he gets blow jobs where women do that, and so he interprets that as like what you do.
[00:18:09] Mike: I don't know, man. I don't know, because I think that like most guys when doing the motion would just, well, I mean, first of all, when you're receiving a blowjob, you're not like watching really carefully, necessarily what the girl all is doing.
[00:18:11] Ally: Yeah.
[00:18:15] Ally: Hmm.
[00:18:21] Ally: you can feel it. When you jerk off, do you rotate your hand?
[00:18:24] Mike: No, no guy does. I mean, just watch porn.
[00:18:26] Ally: Really?
[00:18:27] Mike: No guy does that.
[00:18:27] Ally: okay
[00:18:28] Mike: No.
[00:18:28] Ally: Even though you do like it as part of a blow job.
[00:18:28] Mike: See, this is.
[00:18:32] Mike: I'm not, see, this is, I'm not even sure to be totally honest, because I don't, this was the thing.
[00:18:34] Ally: Okay. Oh, Okay.
[00:18:36] Mike: And so this guy did this and I thought,
[00:18:40] Mike: like thought I thought to myself, I think this guy's given a blow job and I still think that, I still think like, I don't, there's something weird about that.
[00:18:46] Ally: He did it with it like like with his right hand, like in front of his own mouth.
[00:18:49] Mike: Yeah, it was like, but I would have just done like the hand going back and forth.
[00:18:52] Ally: Right.
[00:18:53] Mike: I would have right to move the mat, but he didn't, he rotated and I was like, I think it's more than five.
[00:18:53] Ally: Yeah. I see what you're saying. Yeah, okay, like 5%, maybe he has given a blowjob, but I would say...
[00:19:02] Mike: All right.
[00:19:02] Ally: Is this Keith? Are we talking about Keith?
[00:19:05] Mike: No, we're not.
[00:19:05] Ally: Okay.
[00:19:06] Mike: ah So, yeah, so it's OK. So you so you do have some sort of well studied. And do you have a different methodology if the guy is has a more and less mobile foreskin?
[00:19:16] Ally: I haven't... I've only given a blowjob to one guy who was uncircumcised and...
[00:19:23] Mike: OK.
[00:19:25] Ally: That was, I guess, yeah, just ah slightly more complicated. I wouldn't say it's like a different ah technique, but.
[00:19:33] Mike: Okay. And when you say you have the tongue flat over the the head, I didn't really understand what you meant by that.
[00:19:40] Ally: um So sometimes, like, I guess, you know, to to break up the normal, like activity, the normal sucking, like if you.
[00:19:45] Mike: What guy most guys don't do this. So I don't, you know, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
[00:19:48] Ally: Yeah.
[00:19:49] Mike: Yeah.
[00:19:50] Ally: um If you just like run the, you know, just like the flat part of your tongue, like over the the top, because the top is very sensitive.
[00:19:57] Mike: But do you have,
[00:19:58] Ally: right And so like as you know, if you have like if your hand is wet and you like run the palm of your hand over it, that will be like extremely sensitive for them. So like the tongue is like less noticeable or whatever than the hand, but like you can still get that same kind of like sensation from like the flat part of your tongue.
[00:20:13] Mike: Okay, so you will have it in your mouth. And so instead of applying suction or while applying suction, you also, because your mouth is sort of closed around his cock, he will flatten your tongue and then move it around.
[00:20:25] Ally: Yeah, and I also find that suction is not super important or that like you can kind of alternate between like actually sucking versus just like having it going in and out and that most guys I think prefer just like having it go in and out and I don't, yeah, don't like preference the the suction part. One part where I think suction is important is like particularly at the kind of early stages, um guys like it if you kind of like make sort of like a I don't know, like a tightness so that like the, um, the glands itself is almost kind of like popping in and out like, um, of your mouth, if that makes sense.
[00:21:02] Mike: I understand. I understand what you're saying. I don't know. I'm not sure if that would make a difference for me, but that I do understand.
[00:21:07] Ally: Yeah.
[00:21:07] Mike: the okay ah Do you suck hard when he's nutting to make like a straw?
[00:21:12] Ally: No, should I?
[00:21:14] Mike: I don't know. i was going I was going to ask you if that makes any difference.
[00:21:15] Ally: Okay. No, because I find that guys are like extremely sensitive while they're coming, so they kind of want you to just like stop you know as they're coming so that you're not. like If I continue to lick or whatever while they're coming, I feel like that's like too much sensation and that kind of like you know jerk or whatever.
[00:21:28] Mike: Sure. Sure. Do you ever move your tongue so that it's sort of ah above his, so like normally it's, if if you're just, you know, facing the guy, uh, the penis would just sort of sit on your tongue, right?
[00:21:41] Mike: i mean You can imagine it, just sort of say, do you ever move it so the tongue is above the penis?
[00:21:41] Ally: Yeah.
[00:21:45] Ally: Oh, so it goes like under my tongue? No.
[00:21:47] Mike: Exactly. You never do that.
[00:21:48] Ally: I don't think there's enough space there, and I don't think that would... Yeah, I think you it would be really hard to not scrape your teeth against the bottom of it if you had it under your tongue.
[00:21:58] Mike: and Got it. And do you cover your teeth with your lips?
[00:22:01] Ally: Yeah.
[00:22:02] Mike: Okay.
[00:22:02] Ally: I do also find, and I'm not sure if everyone's mouth is like this, but like there's there's like a ridge or kind of like a ah bump in the upper palate.
[00:22:10] Mike: Mm hmm.
[00:22:10] Ally: You know what I mean? like um And I feel like...
[00:22:11] Mike: Sure. I think everyone's mouth. is Yeah.
[00:22:14] Ally: Yeah, so I feel like... that kind of rubbing against the glans seems to also like feel good. like If I have the tip of it like pressed a little bit up against, I realize this is not a visual medium.
[00:22:25] Mike: Okay. So you'll rub it.
[00:22:27] Ally: But um yeah, I feel like the top of my palette maybe is like a slightly more arched or something.
[00:22:27] Mike: Right. You'll rub it against the roof of your mouth.
[00:22:33] Ally: than I don't know. It helps in some way.
[00:22:35] Mike: Okay. And do you, do you have any sort of tricks with the back of your throat? Do you swallow while taking it in deep to sort of cause some kind of, do you, so you will actually like purposely put, take it in deep and swallow repeatedly to sort of give him some sensation there.
[00:22:41] Ally: Yeah.
[00:22:48] Ally: Not repeatedly, like maybe once.
[00:22:50] Mike: Okay. But on purpose,
[00:22:52] Ally: If, as you've mentioned, if it's small enough that I can deep throat it, I will. um I do think that helps also, but again, is like not you know are not a required part of the technique, I guess.
[00:23:05] Mike: Okay. but But when you get to get the guy off, you basically are just doing the standard technique of like kind of massaging the the the tip with your mouth and then rubbing up and down with this twisty motion.
[00:23:11] Ally: I think so.
[00:23:15] Mike: That's kind of your main go-to move.
[00:23:18] Ally: say like massaging the tip with my like tongue and like you know definitely like ah going in and out but yeah um or like going back and forth I guess not like in and out but yeah.
[00:23:24] Mike: And then you stop. the Do you stop? as soon Do you stop motion as soon as you feel the cock ah ah get more rigid or as soon as you feel the semen come out?
[00:23:35] Mike: How do you decide?
[00:23:35] Ally: As soon as I feel the semen come out yeah.
[00:23:37] Mike: OK, so you're to even though his orgasm is beginning before the semen comes out, like you'll feel like like there's like sort of one or two contract muscular contractions before, seen but you know that that you're going to get your your your reward soon, right?
[00:23:50] Ally: Yeah.
[00:23:50] Mike: And to you, it is a reward. You like getting that semen.
[00:23:53] Ally: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:23:54] Mike: It's your favorite. And do you, after you get the semen, do you sort of like keep it in your mouth and sort of like squish it through your teeth and sort of like, so this is a thing.
[00:24:01] Ally: What? No. No, I just swallow it. I assume guys don't want to like see the results of this.
[00:24:05] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. this is a trope This is a trope in porn that is I can't understand it. ah There's a couple things. One is ah women will, I mean, look, they're trying to show the semen to the camera for some reason. I guess because they're worried that men won't like the video if they don't see the semen because they think it's not, and there was no actual ejaculation. Look, guys don't care. Like if it looks like there was one that's good enough, that's my take. but
[00:24:32] Ally: Yeah.
[00:24:32] Mike: A couple of things they do, one is they'll sort of very carefully start loosening their lips around the shaft of his cock, and you can see them doing it, and they're kind of having to think, too. It requires effort, I think, to kind of get just the right looseness so that Seaman kind of comes out between their lips and his cock, if that makes sense.
[00:24:48] Ally: Oh.
[00:24:48] Mike: like They drool it out a little bit, and this this is very uncompelling.
[00:24:50] Ally: and
[00:24:51] Mike: I don't know what guy likes this. And then the other thing they'll do is they'll take it in their mouth and then they'll sort of do things like mouthwash with it. Like the things kind of squishing it in and out between their teeth, kind of showing it and i not gargling it necessarily, but like showing it in various ways.
[00:24:59] Ally: Oh god, no.
[00:25:06] Mike: I don't, this is so common in porn and I don't, I would say more than 75% of, blow if you just pick a random blowjob porn and watch it, this will happen.
[00:25:09] Ally: Yeah?
[00:25:15] Mike: and Finding one where she just swallows it actually would be difficult for you.
[00:25:18] Ally: Huh, okay, I don't think I've ever purposely watched blowjob porn or maybe ever watched blowjob porn. But my assumption is that the guy wants the evidence gone as quickly as possible and just wants like, you know, wants like physical separation as soon as possible.
[00:25:24] Mike: Hm. You're right.
[00:25:31] Ally: So yeah, I'll just swallow and then like, you know, remove it from my mouth and roll over and ah yeah.
[00:25:32] Mike: That's definitely right. That's definitely right. Yeah, that that's what the guy wants. it's not this This other stuff is just sort of odd.
[00:25:40] Ally: Yeah, I assume they're doing that because like you were saying about other things in porn that they're like, well, we need this one video to appeal to every like niche subculture or whatever.
[00:25:40] Mike: um Okay. yeah
[00:25:49] Ally: And so that's why they'll show like, various, you know, like they'll show like feet in a video or something, even if the video is not about feet, because they're like, Oh, we want to. So if there's like some 5% of guys who do want to see like semen dribble out of the mouth, like they'll do it just in case, even though most people don't want to see it.
[00:26:05] Mike: Yeah, I mean, the the thing I would, the comment I would make to the porn makers on that score, and you may well be right, and you're right that they will sort of show this variety to kind of, yeah, they show all the different positions. Although ah in terms of positions, for whatever reason, the reverse cowgirl position seems to have won the day.
[00:26:22] Ally: Really?
[00:26:22] Mike: That's where the facing away from the man and the the seeing it from his point of view So you're basically seeing her butt and anus and like his cock going odd angle in and out of her Which is also is not a position.
[00:26:25] Ally: Yeah.
[00:26:29] Ally: Yeah.
[00:26:33] Mike: I think most men it is very odd. It's like not
[00:26:36] Ally: Yeah, I want to say I've hardly ever done that, like maybe once or twice or something.
[00:26:40] Mike: Yeah, it's not it's not doesn't feel that good. And it's not comfortable for either part of that comfortable for either the party. But um yeah, these.
[00:26:44] Ally: Yeah.
[00:26:46] Mike: So ah but the thing I wanted to say is, yes, they will. So they'll do every position. But the thing the problem with the semen blowjob thing is that basically every guy is going to watch that part of the video.
[00:26:57] Mike: And so you're forcing everybody to see that shit.
[00:26:57] Ally: yeah
[00:26:59] Mike: And like it actually is It's a pretty negative experience, really. I mean, you're seeing this great porn, this lovely lady providing pleasure to a man, and then she starts use gargling it like it's mouthwash.
[00:27:08] Ally: Yeah.
[00:27:10] Mike: But in you don't, it's it's hard to stop it in time because they do it really quickly. Well, they do it really quickly, yeah.
[00:27:15] Ally: Yeah. When you're having sex, how do you decide what position you want to be in? Or like do you always follow a set like, oh, you know first missionary, then her on top, then dog. you're like you know Is there like a pattern? Or like how do you pick?
[00:27:28] Mike: I think that it's just whim. So i think i mean so it's it's going to be it's going to be the output of the neural network. There's no like, ah there's no like
[00:27:35] Ally: Do you think you do every position essentially the same amount and it's just random?
[00:27:40] Mike: no, not every position is the same amount. i think it's random I think the amount is random and what happens is random. I think the guy doesn't have a strong preference. ah Maybe some guys have like really specific strong preferences, my experiences.
[00:27:51] Mike: Well, no, i but I'm sure I do have specific strong preferences. Like I would not do reverse cowgirl, right?
[00:27:56] Ally: Yeah, but of like you know her on top versus missionary or something like you feel like that's kind of like a toss up or.
[00:28:02] Mike: Yeah, it's like whatever however you're feeling like it's not.
[00:28:03] Ally: ah again Okay.
[00:28:04] Mike: There's no there's no like forethought given to that.
[00:28:06] Ally: Okay.
[00:28:06] Mike: i There's probably probably, if I had to guess, the length of time since you did a certain thing impacts whether you're going to do it again.
[00:28:15] Ally: Mm-hmm.
[00:28:17] Mike: as I, sorry, I got a voicemail from my broker. So they're probably calling to tell me how much money I have, how rich I am.
[00:28:22] Ally: Oh, nice. Yeah, okay.
[00:28:23] Mike: Yeah.
[00:28:24] Ally: You want to sprinkle that in here?
[00:28:24] Mike: But I didn't, I didn't, I didn't take it.
[00:28:25] Ally: like Yeah.
[00:28:27] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to give you a, I'm going to give you a grant to keep getting your blowjob technique better and better.
[00:28:33] Ally: excellent
[00:28:34] Mike: Um, all right, look, we gotta get on, we gotta move on here.
[00:28:35] Ally: itll be
[00:28:36] Mike: Speak, speaking of money, you brought up Carolyn Ellison, who is the, what did you call her?
[00:28:37] Ally: yeah
[00:28:42] Mike: You said that she's mousey looking.
[00:28:45] Ally: I think she looks a little rodenty, but then I think I sometimes look a little rodenty. So anyway, so about maybe an hour before we started recording, she was sentenced in this criminal trial that's ongoing about FTX.
[00:28:49] Mike: Yikes.
[00:28:57] Ally: And so she was sentenced to two years in jail. There was a possibility that she wouldn't get any jail time, which was what I was rooting for because I kind of you know identify with her like she's around my age. We went to similar schools.
[00:29:08] Mike: So she she was following Sam Bankman Freed following, she participated with Sam Bankman Freed in his crypto scam scheme.
[00:29:17] Ally: Correct. Yeah.
[00:29:19] Mike: you You could imagine finding a guy like that compelling?
[00:29:23] Ally: Yeah, I was thinking back to, you know, guys, I had a crush on in college, if one of them had been like, Hey, you know, I have this cryptography related startup, or, you know, I have some kind of like mathematical ah financial trading startup, you know, I want you to come work with me on it. Particularly, you know, I want you to come and like run part of it as she ran like part of their trading firm. Oh, absolutely. I would have done that. Like,
[00:29:46] Mike: Would you, but of to me, the most embarrassing part of this guy, like's look, all of it's embarrassing. I've spoken some length on the podcast about how much I hate all the crypto stuff just because it's not, it'll all end in tears, mostly for poor people, not for me.
[00:29:54] Ally: um
[00:29:58] Ally: and
[00:30:00] Mike: They'll come for you before they come for me.
[00:30:02] Ally: right
[00:30:02] Mike: But or when I say you, I mean the metaphorical you of the people in the audience.
[00:30:06] Ally: ah or me I mean, I would say my net worth is possibly like one tenth of yours.
[00:30:06] Mike: Like I'll i'll be fine.
[00:30:10] Ally: so
[00:30:11] Mike: There we go. So they'll come for you way before me.
[00:30:13] Ally: Yeah.
[00:30:13] Mike: Good. Perfect. But the, um, the, the other thing about this particular guy is he believed his own BS. Like it's one thing if you're like, look, I'm just, I'm just as con artists.
[00:30:23] Mike: I'm going to make some money here. He thought what he was doing was real, which shows a certain level of stupidity to me.
[00:30:25] Ally: Yeah.
[00:30:28] Mike: Like it's like.
[00:30:29] Ally: um I mean, to find real, like he he knew he was taking extreme risks. He thought that was worth it.
[00:30:33] Mike: He thought he was changed. It's not just an extreme risk. You're involved in something that fundamentally at core has no value. You're just like you're you're not you're in an ecosystem that's just all fraud.
[00:30:45] Mike: Everything you're dealing with all day. The the whole thing is fraud. It's just, well, youre my my fraud token's worth this. Yours is worth that.
[00:30:50] Ally: Yeah.
[00:30:51] Mike: So like when it falls apart, it's like, look, he he but I think he believed crypto was a valid thing to do. That's the point.
[00:30:58] Ally: It started as an arbitrage opportunity that he found between US and Japanese crypto markets. And then I think he just expanded that and thought like, if I can find one arbitrage opportunity where there's just literally like a mispricing because I don't know, Japan thought that Americans wouldn't find their crypto markets.
[00:31:15] Ally: I'm not really sure why that initially existed, but like, I think he just thought like, oh, I found this one opportunity. I'll be able to find others. And I'm not sure that he thought that the the tokens themselves or whatever were like implicitly
[00:31:22] Mike: That's fair.
[00:31:27] Ally: or intrinsically valuable, I think he just felt like I've found a way to you know continue to like ratchet up this way of money.
[00:31:35] Mike: yeah Okay. I don't actually have a problem with that. yes so if you're When you're arbitraging because you're buying and selling very quickly and you're never he taking a net position, then you could say, look, I don't care what I'm arbitraging. That makes sense.
[00:31:46] Ally: Yeah.
[00:31:46] Mike: Actually, I actually don't have a problem with that. He did believe his own BS on the effective altruism side though. right he thought He thought he was giving money to these causes that were going to help the world and they didn't.
[00:31:52] Ally: Yes, yes, right.
[00:31:58] Ally: Yeah.
[00:31:58] Mike: try They didn't
[00:31:59] Ally: Yeah.
[00:31:59] Mike: In fact, even the Gates Foundation hasn't really helped the world. It turns out it's hard to help the world.
[00:32:02] Ally: yeah Yeah.
[00:32:04] Mike: The world doesn't doesn't need our help.
[00:32:06] Ally: Well, do you feel like the world has gotten better over the past like 50 or 100 years or whatever?
[00:32:12] Mike: only because of the progress of technology. The the the stuff that's been done by sort of do-gooders I think is generally just like, ah it's negative. It's like a linear, and that the the only reason why the world's gotten better is that technology is exponential.
[00:32:23] Mike: And these idiots who think they're helping people is linear. So it's like this small harm they're doing, but it's ah but it's not, it can't overwhelm the the technological winning hand.
[00:32:29] Ally: Yeah.
[00:32:34] Ally: Do you feel like the people who are making the technology need to believe in some way that they will be able to later do the do-gooding? Or like do you feel like the do-gooding in some way reinforces like a psychological need on behalf of the technologists that allows them to make the better technology?
[00:32:48] Ally: like you know could you Could you completely remove the do-gooding and still get people as excited about making technology?
[00:32:50] Mike: No.
[00:32:55] Ally: Because all of the technologists seem to want to later have these foundations and
[00:32:58] Mike: No, they just run out of stuff to do.
[00:32:58] Ally: do these kind of projects.
[00:33:00] Mike: They get bored. They run out of stuff to do and get bored and so forth. If you watch an interview with Bill Gates from like 1985, that guy's not thinking about do-gooding. He's thinking about pussy. He's thinking about technology and pussy.
[00:33:10] Mike: He's like a normal person. and and And the evidence bears this out, that dude had had a lot of weird sex capades that people can look up themselves, or at least they're reported. Oh yeah, Bill Gates. That's why he disappeared from public view, because he and he got divorced and so on and so forth.
[00:33:23] Mike: like he would He was, ah say well, allegedly, he was sort of like creeping on people at Microsoft and had a lot of his...
[00:33:30] Ally: but in a unique, weird way?
[00:33:31] Mike: Yeah.
[00:33:32] Ally: Or like, okay.
[00:33:33] Mike: no no No, it's standard. i think it's a but but but enough look that's That's what he was looking for. is The do-gooding stuff and think comes later when they're like trying to clean up their image and they get bored and they're like, I need to have a purpose-driven life.
[00:33:41] Ally: Hmm, okay.
[00:33:45] Mike: but i don't i don't think that many I think if you get into making a lot of money on entrepreneurship and technology because you want to do ah good for humanity, you'll end up like a Sam Bankman free.
[00:33:56] Mike: It's not a good way to go at it.
[00:33:59] Ally: Hmm.
[00:33:59] Mike: You need to go in there just trying to make the money and the and and make cool shit. But hang on. So this chick, Carolyn Ellison, who is kind of ah mousy looking, as you said.
[00:34:11] Mike: They also were doing poly. They were setting up a harem, apparently, ah some sort of higher non higher.
[00:34:18] Ally: Yeah.
[00:34:20] Mike: No, they wanted to have a ranked harem for this guy, Sam Bacon Freed. She wanted to. Is that right?
[00:34:25] Ally: Yeah, so I think he employed a couple people who he was fucking or had fucked, and I think they all lived in some kind of like compound in the Bahamas.
[00:34:31] Mike: OK.
[00:34:34] Ally: And I know that he wrote like a blog post or a Tumblr post or something about, yeah, wanting it to be more explicitly competitive, or like wanting it to be more explicit.
[00:34:35] Mike: OK.
[00:34:42] Mike: What do you think about that? Does, does that, and there's another topic I want to bring up in a minute, but does that, that's related, but does that like disqualify somebody as like a leader in your, from your perspective, like as a man, I guess, like him wanting to kind of carry out these very male fantasies, uh, ultimately like having multiple women competing for his cock. I mean, that, that sounds pretty male to me. Does that bother you in terms of like, if you found out the leaders of world companies or company international companies were doing that, would it bother you?
[00:35:13] Ally: No, and I mean, like I assume many of them are. like Would it make me want to sleep with them? No. So it might be disqualifying you know for me in a personal context.
[00:35:21] Mike: You wouldn't want to be in one of these hierarchical harems where you have to compete we have to compete ah to to be the top, top bitch, I guess.
[00:35:25] Ally: No.
[00:35:29] Ally: No.
[00:35:31] Mike: There's no situation. Why not? you Because you think you'd lose.
[00:35:35] Ally: Yeah, um and I don't think it... you know I think the effort expended to compete would not bring about benefit equal or greater to expending that effort in other places.
[00:35:49] Ally: Does that make sense?
[00:35:49] Mike: Okay.
[00:35:50] Ally: I don't think it would be worth it, I guess, to compete.
[00:35:53] Mike: So is this is this partly because you don't intend to have children, so you don't wanna compete for that high-end sperm?
[00:35:59] Ally: Oh, maybe that's part of it. um Also, just because I really like sex and value you know access to it. So if somebody's like, oh, you know you have to run this obstacle course before we can fuck, I'd be like, no, I just want to fuck you.
[00:36:13] Ally: um
[00:36:13] Mike: ah Okay, okay. So then you wouldn't want to compete for, this is why you have sort of the, I guess you've had a six foot four guy, but like these guys with various problems, you're not, you're not competing for those sort of high end that high end cock.
[00:36:29] Ally: I don't,
[00:36:31] Mike: Or maybe you think you wouldn't get it anyway.
[00:36:36] Ally: I don't want cock that sets itself up as being extremely difficult to get. That strikes me as a little bit narcissistic and a little bit like contrary to my goals.
[00:36:48] Ally: Like why would you as a guy want to gate keep your cock so much that you're setting up some kind of artificial competition? Why wouldn't you want to just like find someone who wants to fuck you and just fuck them all the time?
[00:36:54] Mike: Oh,
[00:36:59] Mike: oh well, this is, yes, this is, this is the great question. This is the great question of like, why? Yeah. The woman, the woman who's completely sexually available to the guy wonders why the guy then still strays, right? why Why, why, why, why not just fuck me a million or, you know, a thousand times? Why do you have to fuck, you know, 50 women each 20 times? Like, why is that better to you? That's the thing you're wondering.
[00:37:21] Ally: I mean, to some extent, yeah, but also like, you know, why organize it as a competition? Like, I understand if you want to do what Keith does and just go from woman to woman to woman, like, but why would you pit them against each other, I guess, you know?
[00:37:37] Mike: Well, it's, I mean, kind of arousing to a guy to have women competing for, for access, for access to his cognitive and ultimately.
[00:37:43] Ally: and so Like, they're always going to be slightly mad at you, even if they win, because they see you as you know, being attracted to other women and have like, you know, having almost fucked somebody else, which would like just make me upset.
[00:37:57] Ally: Like, Oh, maybe, I guess.
[00:37:57] Mike: Don't you think women are always slightly mad at men no matter what?
[00:38:03] Mike: So maybe it doesn't matter. Like they're just going to, you know, you're so the the only question is like the behavior you get, like the, if you, if you get this.
[00:38:08] Ally: No, I think, I think this would make women more mad. I mean, I agree with you. There's probably some baseline level of dissatisfaction, but I think this would increase it.
[00:38:16] Mike: but but But the voracious, cock-seeking behavior you would get is so kind of out of the ordinary that it'd be compelling. It makes sense to me. ah you know you Do you think that you could tolerate being like, um there's that TV show, Sister Wives, where a man, well, they've all divorced now.
[00:38:35] Ally: I'll divorce him, yeah.
[00:38:36] Mike: It failed. But I mean, honestly, honestly, I think this is my interpretation ah from having watched too much of that show.
[00:38:38] Ally: yeah
[00:38:42] Mike: I haven't watched it recently. but The the guy Cody at the center of it is not a very successful man in my opinion Like I think most of their money comes from basically doing the show and if he was more successful ah He would have done much but meaning just financially successful They would have done he would he they would still be together and and there are men who do this would you could you imagine being in sort of a like Co wife situation like that or would that just be intolerable?
[00:38:46] Ally: um but
[00:38:51] Ally: Yeah.
[00:39:08] Mike: Are you too jealous?
[00:39:10] Ally: I wouldn't want to be in a co-wife situation, and I could really only imagine doing it with a guy who I didn't, you know, who I wasn't really into. I have dated married men, um and that didn't bother me that much, I think, because I wasn't thinking like, oh, I want to marry this guy.
[00:39:30] Ally: It was more just like, I want to marry this guy.
[00:39:31] Mike: Did any of them ever leave their their wives for you?
[00:39:34] Ally: Defined for me. I mean, some of them left their lives, but I don't know what that was for me.
[00:39:36] Mike: ah
[00:39:39] Mike: Fair enough. That's still a win. No, that's still a win because usually the the stereotype is the guy never leaves his wife for you or never leaves his wife, period. like Because that's he's he's found the ah the cheat code.
[00:39:47] Ally: Right. Yeah.
[00:39:53] Ally: Right. So, yeah, I mean, could I imagine fucking a guy who was also fucking other people? Like, sure, but only if I wasn't that into him to begin with. And I wouldn't want it to be like we all live in the same house and like do chores together or something, you know? It's just like saying, could I imagine like casually fucking a guy? Like, yeah.
[00:40:08] Ally: ah
[00:40:09] Mike: Okay, but you wouldn't yeah, you wouldn't actually want to cohabitate with three other women and a man because
[00:40:09] Ally: but
[00:40:13] Ally: But... No, no. I don't want to go have a date with anyone, really. I mean, like...
[00:40:18] Mike: you Well, i I have to imagine that the if if the penis, this is something that I've brought up with Keith, we've talked about repeatedly, that like you know if you're a guy who dates many different women, you're very likely to encounter other men it's men's semen in her body.
[00:40:36] Mike: ah It would probably be pretty bothersome to you to encounter a guy's cock that's had another vagina on it recently.
[00:40:42] Ally: Oh yeah, I guess if he hasn't washed it and it still smells and or tastes like that.
[00:40:45] Mike: You've definitely had that happen. I mean, this is something that Keith and I have talked about, that men generally have had this happen to them. Any man who's like had enough dating experience, this has happened to him. I would say the same thing to you.
[00:40:54] Ally: You think I've fucked a guy who hasn't showered since the last time he fucked someone?
[00:40:55] Mike: like
[00:40:58] Mike: Definitely, definitely.
[00:40:59] Ally: Really?
[00:41:00] Mike: Oh yeah yeah, I think that's very likely.
[00:41:02] Ally: Don't you shower like once a day at least? me
[00:41:05] Mike: Yeah, but guys can, I mean, actually guys sort of fetishize the idea of having sex with like N women in a 24 hour period or whatever, like kind of getting that number to more.
[00:41:14] Ally: I mean, sure, but maybe.
[00:41:16] Mike: So like one of these married guys, like, yeah, it seems very likely to me that he fucked his wife and then he came and fucked to you. That seems quite lightweight.
[00:41:26] Ally: I don't know.
[00:41:27] Mike: Right.
[00:41:29] Mike: But you wouldn't that way, you know,
[00:41:30] Ally: i think I think it's less likely than you think.
[00:41:33] Mike: Okay. You, you had some sort of, did you have one of those air tags on him?
[00:41:37] Ally: No, I i just think logistically. ah
[00:41:41] Mike: Hmm. Hmm. Cause you would have sex with him in the morning, right after, after you shower or something. You like night sex though. So actually that wouldn't.
[00:41:50] Ally: I do. i never I never dated a guy where like I felt like he was you know coming from his i don't know marital home or whatever to my place, fucking me and then like going back or something. it's like you know We would meet like on business trips or like in a you know in a third city or something. like there was There was enough time that like he would have showered.
[00:42:13] Mike: Wait, let me ask you this. Do you have guys, because I knew a woman who did this, she blocked me on all social media because she got married and she didn't want, have I talked about this on the podcast before?
[00:42:20] Ally: All right, yeah.
[00:42:24] Ally: I don't think you've talked about it on the podcast, but if it's the person you're thinking of, you've talked about it with me, but go on.
[00:42:26] Mike: Okay.
[00:42:29] Mike: Well, you don't know this person for sure, but yeah, okay.
[00:42:31] Ally: Yeah, no, I don't know this person, but no, yeah, well what were you going to say?
[00:42:33] Mike: Okay. But she, ah her deal was the guys would come, she lived in San Francisco and the guys would come to San Francisco on business trips and and and and she was like the person they would have sex with in San Francisco, married guys.
[00:42:46] Mike: And this was like, yeah, apparently like this, she confided in me that like she had like a lot of, you know, it's called more than 10 guys that she had this arrangement with. Is that what you're describing?
[00:42:56] Mike: Are you describing like,
[00:42:57] Ally: No.
[00:42:58] Mike: So you're not talking about that. You're talking, you would like meet them at work and go on business trips with them and then this stuff would happen.
[00:43:04] Ally: Yeah.
[00:43:04] Mike: Okay.
[00:43:05] Ally: Yeah.
[00:43:05] Mike: Okay. So that's more, I think that's a more normal manifestation. Like hers was a little unusual.
[00:43:10] Ally: Yeah.
[00:43:12] Mike: And and the the blocking me on social media, it's kind of funny because that means I know for sure that her husband doesn't know about this stuff. That's why, I mean, I'm positive she blocked me on everything because she was like terrified that like somehow
[00:43:21] Ally: yeah
[00:43:24] Mike: I would cross, I would never do that, cross paths with them and be like, hey, do you know your wife used to bang like married guys all the time?
[00:43:30] Ally: Yeah. Well, do you think she still does, though?
[00:43:34] Mike: No, no, no. My guess is now that she's married, she completely like ended that chapter of her life.
[00:43:36] Ally: I understand.
[00:43:38] Mike: but she didn't She wasn't particularly happy about it. ah She viewed it as, it was kind of embarrassing, but it was just,
[00:43:41] Ally: um But she set up that same situation 10 times, I mean.
[00:43:47] Mike: But she was like you, very hot. She was highly educated. She had ah made a lot of money.
[00:43:52] Ally: Yeah.
[00:43:52] Mike: ah Yeah, but she just wasn't, I don't know. I'm not sure why she was unable to set up a more traditional thing. And yeah, it was it wasn't, no, it would be like 10 guys and they at the same time, right?
[00:44:04] Mike: Because they would be coming to San Francisco at different times of the year. Like she'd see them each, each like twice a year.
[00:44:07] Ally: Yeah.
[00:44:10] Mike: And that she was, and which, in and also she knew very well that they had girl, woman, women, whatever in New York and then Singapore and whatever.
[00:44:10] Ally: Oh.
[00:44:16] Ally: Yeah.
[00:44:17] Mike: Like this was just a thing. Like they'd, they found somebody like this.
[00:44:22] Ally: Oh, I see. No, that's not what I'm trying to set up.
[00:44:23] Mike: Well, you're not trying to set this up at all. It's just a right. or I assume what you're doing is you're trying to, I don't know what you're trying to do actually.
[00:44:29] Ally: Right.
[00:44:31] Mike: I guess just have fun on the business trip.
[00:44:33] Ally: I can't.
[00:44:35] Mike: Okay.
[00:44:35] Ally: I don't know what I'm trying to do either. No, I was just describing that like you know in this scenario where I am dating a married man, like it's not like um the kind of situation yeah where it's and it's not like he lives down the street and he's just going to like pop over on his way to the grocery store and fuck me or something.
[00:44:37] Mike: Okay.
[00:44:51] Ally: like There's always like a ah destination or something.
[00:44:53] Mike: Okay. It's too complicated. Right. There wouldn't be, he wouldn't have leftover.
[00:45:00] Ally: I don't think so. yeah i mean I'm not saying it's impossible, but it no scenario like springs to mind where I was like, oh, yeah, that could have happened.
[00:45:07] Mike: Okay. So I asked you the thing about, uh, whether that's should be disqualified. This kind of like SBF, whatever Sandbank been freed behavior should, or the Carolyn Ellis, I don't know, Alison, Alison.
[00:45:18] Ally: Caroline Ellison, yeah.
[00:45:19] Mike: Yeah. Whether that behavior should be disqualifying because of this guy, um, Mark Robinson is running for governor of. in North Carolina ah and Mark Robinson, he's of course he's got he's embroiled in a sex scandal and not stepping down because people don't step down from running for office anymore because of these things.
[00:45:28] Ally: and
[00:45:37] Ally: Yeah, I think the GOP has like ditched him, though they're not like fundraising for him anymore.
[00:45:41] Mike: All right. So he posted a bunch of stuff on a website called nude Africa. And of course everybody's, this was like, I think 10 years ago, but it doesn't really matter. Everybody's reporting on this.
[00:45:52] Mike: Like, Oh, it's so awful. This is stuff that he's writing, but I'm telling you first pass, like every guy, okay, they're not, posting they're not all posting this stuff, but the vast majority of guys are at least consuming this kind of content.
[00:46:06] Mike: All right. So like when,
[00:46:07] Ally: Yeah, but haven't you talked about like the guys who post comments on porn? like Why would you need to post a comment?
[00:46:13] Mike: Yeah. So he's a little bit stupid. That's true.
[00:46:15] Ally: Yeah.
[00:46:15] Mike: He's a little bit stupid, but I'd wonder if this is this, okay. So he claimed on this site, okay, there's some bad stuff in here, but let's see. He claimed on this site that he's been secretly, secretly peeping on women in public gym showers when he was a 14 year old.
[00:46:32] Mike: All right.
[00:46:32] Ally: OK.
[00:46:32] Mike: That, that sounds right to me. I think a 14 year old should be at least, look, I'll say this. When I was 14, I wanted to do that. I was, this guy was more enterprising than I was.
[00:46:39] Ally: Sure. Sure.
[00:46:41] Mike: He found a public gym shower to do it at now.
[00:46:43] Ally: Sure.
[00:46:44] Mike: But if, look, if somebody was like, Hey, somebody told me when I was 14, Hey, there's this place you can go and just like look through this hole. i I would have, I think most guys would have it.
[00:46:52] Ally: sure
[00:46:53] Mike: Okay. So this sounds normal to me, but this is being told as a, uh as a you know by the media like this is some really problem he says he came to a spot that was a dead end but had two big vent covers over it just so happened it overlooked the showers i sat there for about an hour and watched as several girls came in and showered that sounds pretty hot to me like i'm assuming they're adult women but he's 14 he's 14 okay he says he went peeping again the next morning but after that i went back to the ladder was locked so he only got to do it twice all right
[00:47:11] Ally: Yeah, I mean, I can. Yeah.
[00:47:23] Mike: Then he was on this nude Africa site. He said he was watching tranny on girl porn. That's fucking hot. Um, it takes the man out while leaving the man in.
[00:47:33] Mike: And then he said, I'm a perv too. Like, do you think this should be just, I, again, I don't think the, aside from like the, why are you posting comments on a porn site?
[00:47:42] Ally: Yeah.
[00:47:42] Mike: It sounds pretty normal to me. This sounds just like, yeah. So he likes some girl on tranny porn. I mean that, you know,
[00:47:48] Ally: Yeah, I'm not saying any of these are in and of themselves disqualifying a political office. I think there was one part where he said that he was a Nazi, which I guess might be disqualifying.
[00:47:55] Mike: I haven't gone to that yet. Hang on.
[00:47:56] Ally: Okay.
[00:47:57] Mike: Hang on. He said a few other things, but so training on girl point, I actually kind of want to defend a little bit because.
[00:48:04] Ally: What does he mean by it takes the man out while keeping the man in?
[00:48:06] Mike: I'm not sure.
[00:48:07] Ally: That's the reason why I'm shroting her skin.
[00:48:08] Mike: but That's when I so stumbled when reading it. I wasn't sure exactly what that meant. I liked it though.
[00:48:12] Ally: Yeah.
[00:48:13] Mike: It's very poetic.
[00:48:14] Ally: Yeah.
[00:48:14] Mike: um ju
[00:48:16] Ally: Yeah. so
[00:48:17] Mike: Let's see. it take I'm not going to try to diagnose it or to understand it here, but Tranin and girl porn, the deal with that is that you're avoiding looking at
[00:48:20] Ally: ah
[00:48:26] Mike: ah guy It makes the guy in the porn look more like a female, so it's even hotter.
[00:48:29] Ally: yeah
[00:48:30] Mike: It's a dude with like tits and stuff.
[00:48:30] Ally: Sure.
[00:48:31] Mike: This is good, right?
[00:48:31] Ally: so sure
[00:48:33] Mike: So i I actually sort of applaud that. It is fucking... I mean, it's not hot in the sense that like you're watching somebody who's like done these sort of odd body modifications. Maybe he's against transsexual transgender generally.
[00:48:45] Mike: And so they're upset with him because he's...
[00:48:46] Ally: I think he is, yeah, I think.
[00:48:48] Mike: Okay. Well, maybe, you know, he, he, he only wants it in porn. I, and to be, to be honest, ah there's a lot of things I only want in porn.
[00:48:55] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:48:56] Mike: Uh, so yeah yeah, I mean, I don't actually want, uh, I'm trying to think of an example, but I mean, certainly some of like the three, some four, some five, some stuff that you might see in porn. Like if that was really going on all over the place, it would be challenging to like society would break down.
[00:49:11] Mike: Um, Okay. So he he's saying that he didn't say these things. I think he should be like, yeah, I said them. They're great. This stuff's fucking awesome.
[00:49:20] Ally: Yeah, I'm surprised he's trying to deny it. I think they tied it back to his email address that he used like to sign into the forum, and also the particular terms of phrase that he used uniquely.
[00:49:31] Ally: like There was something about where he used this phrase of like a frog's bottom or something that was like unique to all the posts in this forum.
[00:49:38] Mike: Oh, sure. Well, he's, I
[00:49:39] Ally: So yeah, i don't I don't think he should deny it. I think that's just dumb.
[00:49:42] Mike: i think he's I think this is stuff is fine. and i mean Trump called him Martin Luther King Jr. on steroids, and I think that might well be right in the sense that he's he's breaking another boundary, which is the boundary of men enjoying porn, like men enjoy porn, and it's fine.
[00:49:57] Mike: ah
[00:49:58] Ally: Will the FBI assassinate him, though?
[00:49:58] Mike: okay
[00:50:01] Mike: I, why would they bother? He's definitely going to lose.
[00:50:04] Ally: Yeah.
[00:50:04] Mike: Okay. He, he said, he commented about a story of a woman who said she was raped by her taxi driver while intoxicated. And his comment was the moral of the story is don't fuck a white bitch.
[00:50:17] Ally: it Wait, so he he thinks this is a cautionary tale for the taxi driver?
[00:50:22] Mike: Yes, which
[00:50:26] Mike: which is kind of funny. I mean, look, so let's, let's, okay. So it's not as, it's not as funny if it's not as, funny it depends on how exactly the rape went down. It's not as funny of course, if like, if this wasn't just like rough sex gone bad, which is sort of what I'm assuming it is.
[00:50:43] Ally: No, it's funny that he thinks taxi drivers are reading this story thinking, like, well, what advice do you have for me?
[00:50:46] Mike: Yeah, that's true. That's true.
[00:50:49] Ally: Yeah.
[00:50:49] Mike: That's true.
[00:50:51] Ally: OK.
[00:50:51] Mike: Yes. yes so he he wanted ok so that yeah i mean that one's that one's like kind of iffy to me because i don't he's He's making assumptions about what happened in the situation. He's assuming that that maybe the woman came on to the guy because she was an intoxicator or something like that, not or you know or just like he got confused.
[00:51:09] Mike: you know and it probably is like you know yeah i mean It is decent advice for a taxi cab driver like, look, yeah
[00:51:10] Ally: Yeah.
[00:51:13] Ally: I mean, what does it say about me that you described this scenario in my head and neither of these people was white?
[00:51:19] Mike: Well, it said, don't fuck a white bitch. So I'm assuming the.
[00:51:21] Ally: I know, but like when you tell me that somebody you know got raped by their taxi driver, I immediately assume both of these are non-white people.
[00:51:22] Mike: like the
[00:51:29] Ally: But I don't know.
[00:51:29] Mike: Why?
[00:51:30] Ally: I don't know.
[00:51:32] Mike: Okay.
[00:51:33] Ally: But yeah.
[00:51:34] Mike: I mean, I'm assuming, I'm assuming the driver was not white because he said, don't fuck a white bitch. So that implies that aside from that, I don't know.
[00:51:40] Ally: I guess, yeah.
[00:51:41] Mike: Okay. He called, he called Obama a commie bastard. Okay. That sounds, that sounds, that checks out.
[00:51:47] Ally: Yeah.
[00:51:50] Mike: um
[00:51:52] Mike: Oh wow. That's not, I'm not going to repeat that. um Okay. He did call himself a black Nazi.
[00:51:57] Ally: A Nazi is black.
[00:51:58] Mike: What do you think a black Nazi is?
[00:52:02] Ally: I mean, the reason why I think that's disqualifying is because like the Nazi Party is a real thing. And like if he's, yeah, if he's saying that he identifies that, you know,
[00:52:09] Mike: It is?
[00:52:12] Mike: Wait, where is is the Nazi? Is there anywhere in the world where the Nazi party like it's meaningful numbers of votes?
[00:52:18] Ally: I'm not saying they get meaningful numbers of votes, but like if he's running as a Republican but then secretly claiming to be a member of a different party, like I think that is correct.
[00:52:22] Mike: Okay.
[00:52:27] Mike: Oh, oh, oh. So your issue with it is that he's not really a Republican. He's actually a national socialist. So he should register in that party.
[00:52:34] Ally: Yes.
[00:52:35] Mike: Okay. But a lot of people say the Republicans are Nazis. So maybe he just views it as like a synonym.
[00:52:41] Ally: Maybe. That's worth explicating. and I think most people would not make that equivalence.
[00:52:44] Mike: Yeah.
[00:52:48] Mike: I don't know. I'm not sure. Okay. He also said, I mean, along a same similar thread, he wanted to re Institute slavery, which I don't understand because I don't, I want to, I don't know. There were many, many non, there were many, many, uh, black people in.
[00:53:06] Mike: both, mostly in the North, but there were, there were it's under reported fact that there were many black slaveholders in the South.
[00:53:14] Ally: and
[00:53:14] Mike: This was a thing, ah which makes, for instance, giving reparations complicated because you have to figure out which side, h it's very complicated, right? It's hard to know who's on what side. um Do you think that's what he means when he's talking about putting putting slavery back in, that he wants he wants to be an owner?
[00:53:30] Ally: Maybe.
[00:53:31] Mike: He doesn't want this is he doesn't want to be,
[00:53:33] Ally: Yeah, I assume based on what you're describing of his other posts, he's not saying that he wants to be a slave. He's saying he wants to own slaves, but he should also clarify that stance.
[00:53:44] Mike: OK, OK. um He's yeah, OK, OK. He yeah, as you go down, as I go down this article, like the stuff he says just gets more and more sort of it's like he's um it's trolling is what it is.
[00:53:58] Mike: It's like he's trying to get people upset on this porn site, I guess.
[00:54:02] Ally: Yeah.
[00:54:03] Mike: um He says slavery is not bad. Some people need to be slaves. I wish they would bring it back. I certainly would buy a few.
[00:54:09] Ally: Oh, so then yes, he definitely yes so he definitely wants to own slaves.
[00:54:11] Mike: Okay. Who do you think, who do you think he means? Who do you think he thinks or who do you think needs to be slaves?
[00:54:14] Ally: I don't think anybody needs to be slaves.
[00:54:19] Mike: Okay. All right. So you disagree with him. He says that some people need to be slaves.
[00:54:21] Ally: yeah
[00:54:23] Mike: Yeah. It's a little, I don't, I'd sort of agree with you. I don't think that's right. Um, he said he would take Hitler over any of the shit that's in Washington right now.
[00:54:36] Mike: Yeah. These are just sort of political, that's straying in the more political. On the porn stuff, let's, if we separate, yeah, I mean, because that's like, now he's actually like saying that he's, he's actually exposing a political viewpoint that then is sort of fair game for debating in a political form.
[00:54:48] Ally: Yeah.
[00:54:49] Mike: But, but for the porn stuff, like, I mean, it sounded pretty, you know, garden variety to me.
[00:54:49] Ally: Yeah.
[00:54:54] Mike: Like, I don't think, um, I don't think that like, having, I mean, having an account on a porn site is embarrassing just because like, why does he have an account on a porn site? But the specific things he's bringing up don't, uh, don't necessarily, you know, I mean, it's just he like the tranny porn stuff.
[00:55:08] Ally: i'm yeah I'm fine with keeping that separate from his political career.
[00:55:11] Mike: and Okay. Okay.
[00:55:12] Ally: I mean, I wouldn't vote for him regardless. but
[00:55:15] Mike: Would you, would you date RFK jr?
[00:55:19] Ally: No.
[00:55:20] Mike: Okay. Because this reporter had a, an inappropriate relationship with him, a female reporter.
[00:55:24] Ally: I'm not even sure that RFK Jr. is mentally competent to consent. He's had so many. like He had like some kind of infection in his brain. right He had like a worm in his brain.
[00:55:36] Mike: Uh-huh.
[00:55:37] Ally: Yeah, i'm I'm not even sure that he's like mentally competent.
[00:55:41] Mike: Okay. So this pretty attractive 31 year old correspondent for New York magazine had some kind of and inappropriate relations with him, at least via text, if not in person, but what's admitted to is in text.
[00:55:48] Ally: Yeah.
[00:55:51] Ally: ah right
[00:55:54] Mike: Can you, I mean, why would, ah why would she do this? Is like a celebrity that much of a drug for women? Like she just, and of course she's and she's a journalist, right?
[00:56:02] Ally: Yeah, I think it must.
[00:56:04] Mike: So she already has some measure of so celebrity.
[00:56:07] Ally: Yeah, well, there was that journalist who famously like divorced her husband in order to try to date. um um I'm forgetting his name with the like, and Martin Shkreli, the like, the, the pharma bro guy.
[00:56:19] Mike: and Okay, yes.
[00:56:20] Ally: Um, so she was covering him and interviewed him in jail and then like divorced her husband because she thought that he might sleep with her. And then I think he didn't sleep with her, but yeah, I think for some journalists, celebrity is substantially active.
[00:56:35] Mike: But I think it's, I mean, isn't this women general? Like, do you find that there's a part of your brain that is dedicated to this that like sort of measures the status of men and is finds higher status men like appealing in this way?
[00:56:48] Ally: Oh yeah. Yeah, sure.
[00:56:49] Mike: Okay. What's it like?
[00:56:50] Ally: But once they're in jail, that, to me, lowers their status quite a bit.
[00:56:53] Mike: What's your point? Well, I don't know. I mean, there are women who, uh, you know, strike up relationships with guys on death row and stuff like that. well What, I want to know what the, what's, How does that, does it arouse you sexually when you're like, oh, this guy's high status and you get, you get a little bit like, what's, what's.
[00:57:09] Ally: It's a little bit exciting, yeah, that other people you know look up to this guy or find him competent and worth listening to and interesting, yeah.
[00:57:18] Mike: and Okay. Okay. Um, but it, so, so you too feel the sort of attraction or appeal to this sort of guy. Do you overcome it somehow or do you give into it?
[00:57:30] Ally: Well, there's, I mean, when you say this sort of guy, like there's a wide spectrum of ah guys who are sort of famous or sort of high status or something, you know, there's like, yeah, there's RFK Junior, but there's also like, oh, this guy, you know, won a Nobel prize or something.
[00:57:41] Ally: And like, I, I guess my preference would be to direct it toward guys who have better status markers or, you know, more professionally relevant status markers.
[00:57:44] Mike: All right.
[00:57:52] Ally: I don't think of it as just like any kind of attention is good attention, you know?
[00:57:56] Mike: So if George Clooney sent you a text and he just wanted you to come lick his cock, youd you would just be like, no, that status doesn't matter to me. It's irrelevant status.
[00:58:05] Ally: think I think being a good actor is relevant status also. um
[00:58:10] Mike: So you would lick George Clooney's cock if you asked you to.
[00:58:13] Ally: Sure. Yeah, why not?
[00:58:16] Mike: Interesting, but you really, so, well, the downside is you're just you're just licking some strange man's cock.
[00:58:18] Ally: Yeah. Like what's the downside? I don't know.
[00:58:25] Mike: I mean, you wouldn't lick just a random guy's cock if he asked you to.
[00:58:28] Ally: Right. No, but I think i mean this would involve me like you know talking to George Clooney and stuff.
[00:58:30] Mike: And I think,
[00:58:31] Ally: And I think he'd be interesting to talk to. He's had a lot of like experiences in Hollywood that would be fun to hear about.
[00:58:35] Mike: So let's say, let's say all you got to do is lick his cock.
[00:58:37] Ally: like
[00:58:39] Mike: You don't get to talk to him. You get to meet him. You know it's him. You can verify that visually and then you, you suck his cock for a while and then you take off.
[00:58:46] Ally: Yeah, well, that would be A, a good story, B, then I would get to test this experience I was just talking about. Like if George Clooney tells me that I'm the best bloodshot he's ever gotten, then I feel like that's definitive.
[00:58:55] Mike: All right.
[00:58:57] Mike: what up I think you're intellectual. okay so so But I think deep in what you said, so you you said that you want it would be conversations, all this other stuff around it.
[00:59:08] Mike: This is the thing. It's like you want to up status yourself into or some somehow you want to get entree. Women view their sexuality as a way to get entree into different social milieu or something like that.
[00:59:19] Ally: Correct. Yeah. If there was some kind of like glory hole situation where it's just like, you know, there's just like a sign on the glory hole. This is like, Hey, this is George Clooney's cock. Yeah. Then it doesn't matter as much because hey I guess you can't verify that it is.
[00:59:30] Ally: You just have to trust whoever has labeled the glory hole would be like, yeah, you don't get to like talk to him. You don't get to have like a fun story to tell later.
[00:59:35] Mike: Sure.
[00:59:38] Mike: Right, right.
[00:59:38] Ally: I'm assuming that, you know, in the scenario you're outlining, like I'm meeting up with George Clooney at, you know, his house on like Como or something and like that in and of itself is fun. Like,
[00:59:47] Mike: does he Does he have a house on Lake Como? Did you just make that up or do you know that because you follow him?
[00:59:53] Ally: I think I've heard something about like him in Lake Como. I think he does.
[00:59:57] Mike: Okay, okay. so this So yeah, this is the thing where it's like you're you're trying to like coattails right on the coattails of a guy to get access to this stuff because what because you like don't feel like you can this is the it's like penis envy, you don't have the appendage to kind of poke your own hole in the universe, you need some guy to do it for you.
[01:00:12] Ally: Oh, no, no, it's just that like any time that you're hanging out with someone regardless, like there are certain things that come along with being with that person. you know like Some guys have a dog, and then you get to spend time with the dog because you're dating them. Some guys have like yeah like you know they have a nice house, or they attend some kind of fun event. you know like just And it doesn't even have to be guys. like This could be you know if um if some famous person like wanted
[01:00:49] Ally: you know if if a famous woman wanted to hang out with me or something, like would I do that? Sure, because it's probably going to be fun.
[01:00:54] Mike: Okay.
[01:00:55] Ally: right They probably go to nice places and have like interesting experiences. um
[01:01:01] Mike: Okay, and then for a guy, if you if you gender reverse it, the guy's just thinking about how quality of a blowjob you'll give. He's not looking for the status, he's looking for that.
[01:01:10] Ally: I guess. I mean, maybe he's interested in i don't know going to the kinds of places that I go to. or coming to my work events, I don't know.
[01:01:20] Mike: I'm not sure about that because the guy would probably be worried
[01:01:21] Ally: george clo You probably not, but like some guys.
[01:01:25] Mike: Well, I mean, a guy might be worried about having those things, having access to those things controlled by a woman who could just take them away so he doesn't want, he wants more control in the situation.
[01:01:34] Ally: I see.
[01:01:38] Mike: Maybe this is, yeah.
[01:01:40] Ally: If you're starting to date someone or you're considering like sleeping with someone though, and you know, they live in a nice, place. Like they, I don't know, they live in Santa Monica or something that's like right by the beach. Doesn't that code positive for you?
[01:01:52] Ally: Aren't you like, Oh, I want to fuck this person, like, and she lives a block away from the beach. That'll be cool. You know, like after we have sex, we can go walk down to the beach, like added bonus. You don't think like factors.
[01:02:01] Mike: Not really.
[01:02:02] Ally: Okay.
[01:02:03] Mike: No, I think for a man, it's the the assumption is that ah that would be unstable. Those access to those sorts of things would be unstable. The only thing you can really count on is the quality of the blowjob, which or the or her trap physical attractiveness, that kind of stuff.
[01:02:16] Ally: Hmm. Hmm.
[01:02:20] Mike: like Men don't expect to be treated uh in that welcoming of a way where like they get to sort of be part of the woman's life like that's not sort of the yeah yeah the but it does i mean this may help answer your thing about the the effusive compliments about the blowjob is like he's complimenting you on the thing that's the most important to him he's basically saying like yeah you your high value in on the thing i care about
[01:02:30] Ally: Oh, okay.
[01:02:43] Ally: Right.
[01:02:49] Ally: Yeah.
[01:02:50] Mike: The most important thing in your head, the most important thing in your head, Ali, to the guy is not your brain, it's your mouth.
[01:02:50] Ally: I mean, it's not.
[01:02:55] Ally: yeah Sure.
[01:02:58] Mike: Yeah.
[01:02:59] Ally: But I mean, the brain like you know creates the technique and helps execute. So it's all a package. But I mean, I see what you're saying.
[01:03:05] Mike: It's mostly the cerebellum.
[01:03:07] Ally: Yeah.
[01:03:07] Mike: Yeah, yeah.
[01:03:07] Ally: Yeah. OK.
[01:03:09] Mike: Um, all right. Well, we're almost out of time. Do you have anything else you want to say on these various topics? Uh, we've now, I can't defend the black Nazi that well.
[01:03:14] Ally: um
[01:03:17] Mike: I wanted to defend him more, but then I started reading down the things he said and it got hard. So you wanted her to get away be just cause female, uh, solidarity or what did she get jail time for?
[01:03:21] Ally: Yeah, I hope he loses. I don't really like North Carolina, but i I think he would be bad for it. And I'm sorry that Caroline Allison got jail time. I wanted her to get away. Yeah.
[01:03:36] Ally: Yeah, i you know I kind of relate to her um for her role in the like fraud.
[01:03:38] Mike: What?
[01:03:43] Mike: I don't, I don't think any of them should have gotten jail time. I mean, if you're a jackass to put your money into a fucking crypto thing, you get what you deserve. Why do they have any, why are they protecting any of these people?
[01:03:52] Ally: Yeah, I mean, right.
[01:03:53] Mike: Like they should just, uh, you know, look, man if they want to put a hit out on these people because they're mad that they stole their money, go ahead. Like whatever. But like, I don't think the government should be in the business of like, this is like caveat emptor.
[01:04:05] Mike: Like crypto has no intrinsic value. You're just being an idiot. So.
[01:04:09] Ally: Yeah, but the government definitely is in the business of prosecuting security fraud and like maintaining standards for issuance of securities. I mean, I understand why they were prosecuted. Sam Beckman Fried got like 25 years, Caroline got two, which might speak to the difference in how culpable they're seen in the fraud, but they both still, you know, lied to investors about where their money was being held.
[01:04:33] Mike: Yeah. I mean the, yeah. ah Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. Actually. I agree with you there. It's just a, it's a the people people, I guess investors has to be put in quotes because they knew they were putting money in a crypto scheme.
[01:04:47] Ally: yeah Yeah.
[01:04:49] Mike: All right. Well, we should start our own. We could start a Yimvy coin. That'd probably be the best way to monetize this podcast.
[01:04:54] Ally: Yeah.
[01:04:58] Ally: Right, as it is, you're losing money on this podcast chat because you pay people for feedback.
[01:04:58] Mike: All right.
[01:05:00] Mike: It's true.
[01:05:02] Ally: So yeah.
[01:05:02] Mike: It's true, and we we actually had somebody write in and specifically demand his money because it hadn't been paid, so we'll have to deal with that.
[01:05:08] Ally: Oh.
[01:05:10] Mike: ah Most people don't want the money, I think, because they don't want to give us... The problem is, to maybe if we did crypto, they'd probably take it, but because we have to give them our real... They have to give us their real identity to get the money, and nobody wants to do that because they don't want to be linked to the Black Nazi.
[01:05:20] Ally: right yeah
[01:05:23] Mike: and ah Porn. this is Porn is so embarrassing. Sex talk is so embarrassing for men. It's the final frontier. um Okay. That'll do it for this episode of Your Mileage May vary. You can send us feedback, questions, or propositions to dominatealley at ymmvpod at gmail dot.com. That's ymmvpod, P-O-D, at gmail dot.com.
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