Your Mileage May Vary: Kamala Harris On Call Her Daddy, Dating Strategy Critiques, Female Anatomy Lessons, New Ways To Climax

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[00:00:01] Keith: Hello, and welcome to Your Mileage May Vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial, but mostly in good faith. I'm Keith, I have Ali here. What's up, Ali?
[00:00:11] Ally: Hey.
[00:00:12] Keith: And as always, Mike is here too.
[00:00:15] Mike: Hey, Keith and Ally.
[00:00:17] Keith: um Ali, you sent us a text yesterday that was enticing. ah You have discovered a new way to orgasm in your 30s, which is mind blowing to me.
[00:00:29] Keith: Can you explain?
[00:00:29] Ally: Well, I mean, it's an entirely new way. but like So i was I was being fingered from a like slightly different location, I guess, than normal. like Usually, so when I masturbating and when I like and't instruct people how to finger me, I guess usually I focus on the tip of the clit or like the sides around the tip.
[00:00:46] Ally: But like he was touching kind of like the base of it like almost like right above the vaginal opening. And somehow that worked. i And I was able to come from that too.
[00:00:55] Mike: That's, I don't think that's the base.
[00:00:56] Ally: So that was like a yeah a new a new location.
[00:00:56] Keith: Wait a minute.
[00:00:59] Mike: I think that's the tip.
[00:01:00] Keith: Yeah, I wouldn't call that the base either. Yeah, that sounds like the tip.
[00:01:03] Mike: Isn't the tip like, I mean, it's like, it's like a very small penis that points downward from a, from, you know, it's away from your face.
[00:01:11] Ally: What? No.
[00:01:12] Keith: Yes.
[00:01:13] Ally: What do you mean?
[00:01:13] Mike: Yes.
[00:01:14] Keith: Yes.
[00:01:15] Ally: What do you mean it's a very small thing that points downward?
[00:01:15] Keith: OK.
[00:01:16] Mike: yeah So.
[00:01:16] Keith: The clip is it it it's a tube. It's a tube. It's a tube.
[00:01:21] Ally: Yeah, sure.
[00:01:21] Keith: It's a vertical tube. And it points.
[00:01:23] Ally: It doesn't point downward. like
[00:01:25] Mike: Yes, it does. This is interesting, Ali, so you don't know female anatomy. Okay. So let's pull up. Let's see.
[00:01:30] Keith: Amazing.
[00:01:31] Mike: I don't, I don't think we can screen share here, but maybe maybe we're, but yeah, this could be just a terminological issue.
[00:01:33] Ally: Downward compared to what? like
[00:01:37] Mike: So let's put your anus and your vagina, the vaginal opening on a line. Okay. And we go upward, away from the anus.
[00:01:43] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:01:46] Mike: Uh, and there we get to the sort of clitoral region. Now the, the clit has its tip.
[00:01:50] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:01:53] Mike: The glands of the clit clitoris is your, is the first thing you're going to encounter. And then as you keep going away from the vaginal opening, you're going to get to the shaft of the clitoris. And then the clitoris sort of makes a U-turn going into your body.
[00:02:07] Mike: All right. Back down and around the pubic bone or that's not right. It's probably not around the pubic bone, but it goes, but it goes down and around something. And then it splits into two.
[00:02:15] Ally: Well, but internally, like where you can't get to it.
[00:02:17] Keith: Right.
[00:02:17] Mike: Right, and then it splits into two pieces.
[00:02:18] Keith: and And I think it's less sensitive there too. when It's less sensitive where it when it splits.
[00:02:22] Ally: I guess what I'm describing is that like it's like points out from your body.
[00:02:22] Mike: Potentially, yeah.
[00:02:26] Ally: So if you were just like literally following the skin, you would reach like the base of it before you start to like go up it. And so what I'm saying is like, instead of like being at the tip, it was like at the base.
[00:02:35] Mike: That's hard to understand. so when when Do you mean it was the he was for the, the tip of your clitoris, let's just get the terminology correct here.
[00:02:36] Keith: Yeah.
[00:02:41] Mike: The tip of your clitoris is the part closest to the vaginal opening, okay?
[00:02:41] Ally: Yeah.
[00:02:44] Ally: No, because it projects out.
[00:02:46] Mike: Yes, it is.
[00:02:47] Ally: like It's not all just like attached to the skin. like The tip is like the tip is like topographically higher than the vaginal opening, so it's not close.
[00:02:51] Mike: Well, that's true. But it but it's but that's right, but it runs along.
[00:02:58] Ally: It's not like stuck to it.
[00:03:00] Mike: It's not stuck to it, but it runs sort of along your body. So for example, when you have porn, it means sticks out.
[00:03:04] Ally: It doesn't run along the body. It like it sticks out. like
[00:03:08] Keith: This is incredible.
[00:03:11] Mike: Are you saying it sticks out perpendicular to lead to your body?
[00:03:14] Ally: when aroused, yeah.
[00:03:16] Keith: Ah.
[00:03:17] Mike: I mean, yeah, i'd like a male the male organ it can sort of arouse, but the way the way you can get real good detail on this is to find women who have enlarged their clits through the use of, say, male hormones and the like.
[00:03:20] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:03:30] Mike: And what you'll see what you're saying isn't isn't isn't wrong.
[00:03:30] Ally: yeah
[00:03:32] Mike: It does stick out, but it doesn't stick out like a man's where it's like perpendicular to the body. It's never going to get sort of that, that ah well, I suppose if it elongated enough, it might sort of look like a man's, but it's typically going to stick out at sort of a downward angle.
[00:03:45] Mike: That's not your experience?
[00:03:46] Ally: i I mean, it's like it's much smaller, obviously, but like I don't know what you mean by down. like It doesn't stick like down into the vagina.
[00:03:58] Mike: No, no, no, of course not. It's, but it's, but it's.
[00:03:59] Ally: It it like sticks out like if if you had like the vagina here and then there's like this little thing.
[00:04:03] Keith: Okay, I think I can help here.
[00:04:05] Ally: And I'm talking about like the base of it here, not the tip of it here.
[00:04:05] Mike: I don't think it's right now.
[00:04:10] Ally: Well, it doesn't help the listeners when it helps you.
[00:04:11] Mike: Well, that doesn't help at all because nobody listening can see what you're talking about. Right, i have i but I have a picture here that ah perhaps I can share with you the, it's a Wikipedia URL, and we can put this in the show notes as well, so people can follow along.
[00:04:16] Ally: like Yeah, okay.
[00:04:24] Mike: I'll put it in our messaging system here, so you can click on that.
[00:04:26] Ally: Okay.
[00:04:27] Mike: And toward the top of that Wikipedia, it's the Wikipedia li link for corpus cavernosum of clitoris.
[00:04:28] Ally: Yeah.
[00:04:32] Ally: Sure.
[00:04:32] Mike: So we're getting very precise here. On the right side, you can see the clitoral glands, right? Can you see that? And you can see the sort of general general form of the the way the clit is shaped with that sort of U-turn in it.
[00:04:51] Ally: Okay, but this is like internal.
[00:04:51] Mike: Does it surprise you?
[00:04:55] Ally: Well, this is like a ah diagram of like what it looks like inside, like inside the body.
[00:05:00] Mike: Well, sure.
[00:05:00] Ally: Like you can't get to all the things like, like the, um, um
[00:05:03] Mike: Well, now I'm starting to wonder how large your clitoris is, Allie. Like, I mean, how much of your clitoris tends to project out of the hood that it lives in.
[00:05:11] Keith: The hood is unfortunately not labeled on this diagram.
[00:05:16] Ally: Okay. Yeah. Well, both of these diagrams, I guess all three of these diagrams technically are like showing the internal structures.
[00:05:24] Ally: Like the bulb and the crust or whatever the corpus cavern.
[00:05:25] Mike: Okay.
[00:05:27] Mike: Sure. So now let's, I'm going to give you an image and this one I also will put on the show notes so people can see it.
[00:05:28] Ally: I don't know. Like I don't. um
[00:05:32] Mike: This is a video from Pornhub, but you don't have to watch the video. You can just look at the first image from it.
[00:05:37] Ally: Okay.
[00:05:37] Mike: Okay. Now this is a woman with an enlarged clitoris.
[00:05:41] Keith: Oh, my word.
[00:05:42] Mike: The title is, the title of the video is put my giant swollen clit in your hot wet mouth. So you know, this is going to be, but it gives an idea of what the structures we're dealing with here are.
[00:05:47] Ally: Okay, no, obviously that's that's too big, but like...
[00:05:52] Keith: yes but Yeah, it's an exaggeration of the structures.
[00:05:55] Mike: Now if you play the video and you just get to like five seconds or why don't you go ahead and play it and look, you'll see that while yes, it can sort of erect in the way a man's penis does, but it's still kind of angled downward toward, toward the vagina.
[00:05:57] Ally: Yeah.
[00:06:09] Ally: Oh my God. um
[00:06:11] Mike: And the only way you can get it to sort of be upward is, is what she, sure,
[00:06:13] Ally: Is it angled downward? It's poking out from her body.
[00:06:15] Keith: Yes, it is.
[00:06:18] Ally: like It's not poking down.
[00:06:20] Mike: sure.
[00:06:20] Ally: like The tip of it, if you had like a vector, the tip of it is like pointing away from her body.
[00:06:21] Mike: Well,
[00:06:24] Ally: It's not pointing like down toward the vagina.
[00:06:26] Mike: I think it only does that when she caresses it and sort of pulls back on the Mons pubis to make it sort of go more upward.
[00:06:33] Keith: Well, in even in this case, if down was six o'clock, it's still at five o'clock, even when she's pulling back, maybe 4.30, but it's predominantly down.
[00:06:42] Mike: Yeah, it's also important.
[00:06:42] Ally: I think it's pointing toward like two o'clock.
[00:06:46] Keith: What?
[00:06:46] Mike: Well, you OK.
[00:06:47] Ally: Look at like nine seconds.
[00:06:50] Keith: Okay, I'll go to nine seconds.
[00:06:52] Mike: All right, hang on, we're going to nine seconds, everybody.
[00:06:53] Keith: Okay, yeah, they are pulling it up there.
[00:06:54] Ally: The tip, the tip is like pointing out.
[00:06:55] Mike: that's Yes, but but but Ali, that's because she's got her and fourth finger on either side.
[00:06:58] Ally: This is a disgusting video by the way.
[00:07:01] Mike: What? Oh, that's you're shaming her.
[00:07:02] Ally: Okay, she's pulling back a little bit. but this This is gross.
[00:07:06] Mike: How dare you shame shame a woman? you're How dare you shame a woman for a large clit?
[00:07:13] Keith: The highest it gets to is like 315.
[00:07:13] Ally: Why does she have so much tissue around her mons?
[00:07:17] Mike: Because she has because she has enlarged her clit through the use of various drugs.
[00:07:18] Ally: I got like a i guess she's like fat? I don't know.
[00:07:24] Ally: No, no no i'm not I'm not even complaining about it the size of the clit. I'm complaining about the size of i guess like the the mons, like the pubic mound. is like There's so much like tissue.
[00:07:31] Keith: Yeah, it's pretty big too.
[00:07:33] Ally: as you like Anyway.
[00:07:33] Mike: Okay, okay, fine. I'm gonna give you another video, at Allie, and you take, I'll put this in the show.
[00:07:37] Ally: Stop.
[00:07:38] Mike: Let's go to one minute and, go to mid one minute and 30 seconds.
[00:07:40] Ally: Oh my God. what the I didn't expect to see so many.
[00:07:46] Mike: Look, this is important anatomy.
[00:07:47] Ally: This person masturbates very differently from the way I do.
[00:07:48] Mike: So look, one minute and 30, right? So one minute and 30 seconds, this person, you can see that it kind of points downward.
[00:07:54] Ally: ha
[00:07:56] Mike: Like it doesn't erect up like the man's. And also I want you to remember that her,
[00:08:00] Ally: Okay, well, this person is very weird looking too. Mine doesn't look like that either. I i don't even know if this is a woman or not.
[00:08:03] Mike: of course not because I need to get I need I need to get enlarged I need to get enlarged ones so that it's a woman I need to get eight so also keep in mind that the vagina is much is it the vagina
[00:08:04] Keith: All right.
[00:08:08] Ally: No, just like a diagram. Here, wait, I'll look, I'm gonna Google
[00:08:14] Ally: This is not good content, but you understand what I mean, like the the tip of it. Like imagine it's like the first knuckle. It's like the size of the first knuckle of the pinky finger, right? And so like the tip of the pinky finger is like the tip of it.
[00:08:23] Keith: Sure.
[00:08:26] Ally: And then like the base of that first knuckle is what I'm calling the base. And I guess I don't really care like which way you think it points. What I'm saying is like stroking the base is different from stroking the tip.
[00:08:35] Mike: Okay. And the tip, but like we can under, we can, we can agree that the tip is the part that's the closest to the vaginal opening normally.
[00:08:41] Ally: No.
[00:08:43] Keith: Yeah, Mike, okay.
[00:08:44] Mike: I, I don't understand what you're even talking about then.
[00:08:45] Keith: Can I, um guys, this really is boring content.
[00:08:46] Mike: So the tip is the part as all right.
[00:08:48] Keith: Stop, get stop, stop. stop um We got to litigate this properly here because this is not interesting. So yeah, I don't either.
[00:08:54] Mike: I don't understand how she masturbates here. I don't get what's happening. That's the problem.
[00:08:58] Keith: I think we can get there without needing to have a vocabulary lesson on what base means.
[00:09:01] Mike: Okay.
[00:09:03] Keith: So the tip is that part that extends beyond the hood. Do we agree with that?
[00:09:08] Ally: Yeah, sure. Yeah.
[00:09:10] Keith: Okay, now the base,
[00:09:11] Mike: And you just don't agree, you...
[00:09:13] Keith: Mike, go ahead.
[00:09:14] Mike: Go on. No, i so you think that that part is further away from your vaginal opening than some other part of the clitoris? Like you have a reversed clitoris?
[00:09:23] Ally: Yes. No.
[00:09:25] Mike: Oh no.
[00:09:26] Keith: No, I think she would argue Mike.
[00:09:26] Ally: That part is further away. It's further away in like travel distance. Like if you were walking your fingers up from the vagina, you'd have to go up the cliff to get to the tip. Maybe you're talking about like straight line distance, which you would never need to use like with your hand.
[00:09:37] Mike: Oh, you'd have to go up the... So, okay, hang on. I think I understand. and So you're saying, you're saying like, for example, if I was on my penis, walking from my balls to the tip of my penis, I would have to walk up the underside of my penis, which actually might mean I have to go if it's flaccid kind of up and then back down.
[00:09:47] Ally: Correct, yeah. Yes.
[00:09:50] Keith: Yes, right
[00:09:54] Mike: I understand now.
[00:09:54] Ally: Sure.
[00:09:55] Mike: Okay. So I meant if you were using a, like a string, you pulled a string taught between your vagina. I'm sure you do this all the time, but your vaginal opening and the end, the tip of the clitoris, that would be further than say the the base.
[00:10:10] Mike: ah Sorry, less far, less far than the base.
[00:10:12] Ally: Sure, I've never done this.
[00:10:12] Mike: Okay, put you but you but you're right that it topologically, you have to go up curve back down, I get it, because you can kind of go under the clit. Okay, so now that we understand that, let's hear what what the experience is.
[00:10:19] Ally: It was just that he was rubbing the base of it and not the tip, which was like a ah different area.
[00:10:27] Mike: he's
[00:10:30] Mike: Well, I would think that so
[00:10:30] Keith: Was he rubbing the base of it from inside of your vagina or from on top above the hood?
[00:10:36] Ally: No.
[00:10:38] Mike: That doesn't even make sense. Oh, okay. Inside the hood.
[00:10:43] Ally: So, okay, so if we go back to like, it's it's the it's the first knuckle of the pinky finger. Like normally I would masturbate by like rubbing the top of it or rubbing the side.
[00:10:47] Mike: Right.
[00:10:47] Keith: yeah can you then you You should hold it down like this. You should hold it down like this because it'll be more analogous to the pictures everyone's looking at.
[00:10:54] Ally: it'll That'll be better for Mike. Okay, so normally I would masturbate by rubbing like the tip or rubbing like the side of the tip.
[00:10:59] Keith: Yes. Yes.
[00:11:00] Ally: But he was rubbing like, he was rubbing like the the base, like here, not near the tip.
[00:11:03] Keith: Okay, from inside of you, from inside from inside your vagina or or close to the vaginal opening.
[00:11:08] Ally: No, from close to the vagina, but like,
[00:11:08] Mike: Not inside the vagina, but under yourneath underneath, so he was underneath the clit.
[00:11:15] Keith: He was at the base of the tip of the clit.
[00:11:15] Ally: Yes. Sure, if you're considering the tip, everything that's outside the body, like it feels like a different part.
[00:11:25] Keith: i'm I'm considering the tip everything that's outside of the hood.
[00:11:25] Mike: because this
[00:11:29] Mike: I think that's reasonable. Of course, it changes because it erects.
[00:11:31] Ally: OK.
[00:11:32] Mike: Yeah, is he under the hood or is or is it is he unable to do this without kind of getting under some structure?
[00:11:33] Keith: I know.
[00:11:36] Ally: I guess under the hood? I don't know.
[00:11:39] Mike: Okay, well, here's what here's why I wanted to, Ally, here's why I wanted to know that.
[00:11:40] Ally: I guess under. Sure, under.
[00:11:44] Mike: um the It's very common, and I know that you've said before that you have extremely sensitive nipples to the point where like it can be uncomfortable for you to have a man or a woman caress them directly.
[00:11:44] Ally: Yeah.
[00:11:55] Mike: You prefer to have like maybe some material between or something. So I've imagined that maybe you wear you wear like a sports bra during sex to avoid too much stimulation.
[00:11:58] Ally: Yeah.
[00:12:02] Ally: No, I don't. But like if I'm masturbating, I prefer to have like just a t-shirt on or something that I can rub them like through.
[00:12:07] Mike: Okay. so it's So similarly, it's common for women to find direct contact with their clit too sensitive, and so they rub their hood, or they sort of rub a little bit closer to their belly button, let's call it.
[00:12:15] Keith: Hmm.
[00:12:21] Mike: Not much closer, but a little closer, so they're kind of rubbing the structures through their skin. That's not what we're talking about here.
[00:12:25] Ally: No, I don't do that.
[00:12:26] Mike: We're talking about we're talking about he's it's it's actually he's gone past the tip, and he's down under there, and he's found like a little bit under there where he can get to the base.
[00:12:27] Ally: No.
[00:12:33] Ally: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:12:35] Mike: That does I'm gonna I don't want to bum you out, but that does suggest you have a fairly large clip would you agree Keith I?
[00:12:41] Ally: Oh, probably, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:12:41] Keith: No, I don't think it says anything about Klitz.
[00:12:43] Ally: No, I would agree.
[00:12:45] Mike: Think it man. I think it does.
[00:12:46] Keith: I like the troll.
[00:12:46] Mike: I think it means because I think no I think that if a woman Okay
[00:12:48] Ally: No, I think it is fairly large. It's not large like in those videos, but like large enough that, well, I mean, literally, like i I wish, like I think it's like that.
[00:13:00] Ally: long like the first knuckle of the pinky finger.
[00:13:02] Mike: Ali, I'll make you a proposition.
[00:13:03] Ally: Yeah.
[00:13:04] Mike: If you want us to judge how large your clit is, you could do the following, because then it won't expose your clit directly.
[00:13:07] Ally: um
[00:13:10] Mike: Find like seven pictures of clits online, add your picture, and then we'll rank order them not knowing which picture is yours.
[00:13:10] Keith: Hmm. I know where he's going. Yep.
[00:13:15] Ally: i' ah Right. Yeah. I've made this suggestion to someone else about a different weird.
[00:13:17] Mike: And then you can simply... you know Yeah.
[00:13:19] Ally: were Yeah, i I understand this method. I think you'll still know because my picture will be like of a less professional quality. But I'm willing to like, I'm willing to measure it while erect and tell you I've never done that.
[00:13:26] Keith: It'll have to be more than seven as well.
[00:13:32] Ally: But like, sure.
[00:13:33] Mike: I'm not sure how you would measure a clit.
[00:13:34] Keith: What are you measuring it? How far it extends beyond the hood?
[00:13:37] Ally: but you miss
[00:13:40] Mike: like How would you measure these ones we looked at earlier that are quite large or voluminous?
[00:13:41] Ally: No, it from like the I don't know from his far down as you can get the bottom of the ruler close to like the pubic bone.
[00:13:53] Mike: I'll tell you this, Ali, you also should consider, this actually would be interesting for science, measuring the distance between your clitoral tip, the end of the tip and the vaginal opening, which I know is tricky because it's not like just one spot, but kind of getting, that's actually an interesting piece of information because I have read ah research that suggests that a woman's ability to orgasm from PIV relates to the closeness or farness of that distance.
[00:14:06] Ally: Yeah. Oh, okay.
[00:14:15] Keith: Oh,
[00:14:16] Mike: And I don't remember it's so you know in centimeters or some number, but that actually like,
[00:14:17] Ally: Yeah.
[00:14:19] Keith: ah that makes sense.
[00:14:21] Mike: Yeah, it's potentially a fairly important indicator. I don't know how a woman would necessarily measure that reliably. I assume you'd have to use a mirror and maybe ah some robots.
[00:14:31] Keith: Well, an angle matters there.
[00:14:31] Mike: Or just a just maybe just a scientifically minded friend, which I think you have. so
[00:14:37] Ally: Right. Okay, yeah, I will conduct these experiments.
[00:14:41] Mike: Good. I do think you have a rather large clit, and my reasoning is that it's not common when giving oral sex to a woman. I think Keith would back me up on this to be able to get your tongue You can kind of get your tongue under the hood, but to go in and get your tongue under the clit, I actually think I've never experienced that.
[00:14:59] Mike: what How about you, Keith?
[00:15:01] Keith: ah
[00:15:03] Mike: That's a big database he has to go through.
[00:15:04] Keith: Well, we're back into like a ah nomenclature problem here.
[00:15:06] Mike: He's like, hmm.
[00:15:07] Ally: so So you guys experienced the clit as like the little, remember how ThinkBads used to have that little red dot?
[00:15:10] Mike: Well, where the clit is sort of...
[00:15:12] Keith: Yes,
[00:15:16] Ally: like For you guys, the clit is just that.
[00:15:16] Keith: yes the nipple.
[00:15:17] Ally: it's just like It's just that.
[00:15:18] Mike: I know it's not just that,
[00:15:19] Ally: There's no like bottom to it. OK.
[00:15:21] Mike: i know I know it's not just that.
[00:15:22] Ally: But that's all that you're able to like access usually? or Really?
[00:15:24] Mike: typically Typically, there's just the hood and there's a very, yeah, it's like it it protrudes from the hood essentially nothing. So basically you can access it you can access it, but you can't sort of like separate it from the hood or like get under it and around it pretty much.
[00:15:32] Ally: Oh.
[00:15:38] Mike: That's my experience.
[00:15:38] Keith: I see what you're saying.
[00:15:39] Ally: Oh, okay. No, mine protrudes more than that. Interestingly, like when I've asked previous partners, like if it is bigger, they have said no, but like, I think it must be based on what you're describing.
[00:15:49] Mike: Yeah, it is. You've got a big ass clit.
[00:15:50] Keith: It's smart for men. it's smart It's smart for men to not say it's bigger.
[00:15:55] Mike: Does it, does it protrude?
[00:15:55] Ally: Why?
[00:15:56] Mike: Like, is it protruding like that? Say now, or is it only when you're aroused? but
[00:16:01] Ally: I don't know what you mean.
[00:16:03] Mike: When you're not, when you're not aroused, does it, does it, does it protrude?
[00:16:05] Ally: Yeah. um No, like, no.
[00:16:08] Mike: Okay.
[00:16:09] Ally: No.
[00:16:10] Mike: So you have, like so you're a grower, not a shower.
[00:16:13] Ally: i Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:16:16] Mike: It's hot. And also, if you wanted to transition to being a man, you like it's a slightly shorter path for you.
[00:16:21] Ally: No, it's so small. like Again, like the first knuckle of your pinky finger, you want you would want that to be your dick. like It's so small.
[00:16:29] Mike: That's really big for a clit, I'm telling you.
[00:16:29] Ally: That wouldn't be a dick.
[00:16:30] Mike: And also, particularly the width.
[00:16:33] Ally: Maybe it's thinner.
[00:16:33] Mike: i mean You could, in principle, penetrate something with that.
[00:16:34] Ally: I mean, yeah, it's it's thinner than that, but that's like the length estimate that I would give.
[00:16:42] Ally: Um, maybe like, not, not someone, but some thing, I guess, like, like an olive.
[00:16:45] Keith: but It's not hard enough.
[00:16:46] Mike: I think you could.
[00:16:49] Mike: Yeah, kind of cool.
[00:16:50] Ally: Sure. Like I could probably penetrate an olive.
[00:16:54] Mike: I would I suggest you try that. Why not?
[00:16:56] Ally: No, I don't like to get food.
[00:16:57] Mike: All right. Okay, so anyway, was this organism was was this orgasm better?
[00:17:00] Ally: near
[00:17:03] Mike: All right, you don't like you're afraid of like tampering with your vaginal health. I forgot. What's was this orgasm better or worse the same?
[00:17:06] Ally: Yeah.
[00:17:09] Mike: Like what what it sounded like it was better in some way or just different?
[00:17:10] Ally: The same. No, it was the same. I mean, the only way reason it was better was, well, for one thing, like I guess this is like a new partner who has not yet been able to like fully bring me to orgasm through fingering. So slightly better in the sense that like we found a way for this to work. um But the same sensation, just like coming from a different spot on my body.
[00:17:30] Mike: I see. I see. But it was sufficiently different that you noticed it. just Just you're like, oh, he's doing something different here and it's getting me off.
[00:17:37] Ally: Yeah. right Well, because like he started, and I was like, I'm not sure if it's going to work in that like position where he's fingering. But then he did. So that was good.
[00:17:45] Mike: Have you done this yourself since?
[00:17:47] Ally: No.
[00:17:49] Mike: Okay. Not much curiosity there.
[00:17:50] Keith: Huh, why not? Yeah, why haven't you tried?
[00:17:55] Ally: um I don't know.
[00:17:59] Keith: Maybe it hasn't been long enough or.
[00:18:01] Mike: I, the other thing I'm wondering is whether this spot Ali could make you more interested in a man performing oral on you because like maybe his tongue could really kind of dig in there in a way his fingers, his fingers might be too rough, et cetera.
[00:18:08] Ally: in
[00:18:13] Ally: No, the fingers were good. i I think my aversion to oral is more about like, just like, embarrassment and also just like having a tongue there, I guess, like, I don't know.
[00:18:19] Keith: Embarrassment.
[00:18:24] Mike: It's germaphobia. Keith, you, you may be not, I haven't noticed this, but she, she's germaphobic about germs going into her vagina.
[00:18:30] Keith: I know.
[00:18:32] Mike: She likes guys to, right.
[00:18:32] Ally: Yeah, like the mouth bacteria are weird. I don't know.
[00:18:34] Keith: Yeah. I thought you were like overly disgusted by the by the sharing of a toothbrush thing, but I think you guys are the same here.
[00:18:35] Mike: She won't.
[00:18:35] Ally: Also just like I
[00:18:40] Keith: You you find it repulsive.
[00:18:41] Ally: I'm not disgusted by sharing a toothbrush, because that's mouth to mouth.
[00:18:43] Mike: oh You mean a long enough time.
[00:18:44] Ally: like I'm OK with kissing and stuff. I do feel a little weird about tongues, just generally.
[00:18:46] Keith: Whoa.
[00:18:48] Ally: like Kissing with tongue after a certain like after a long enough period of time, it'll kind of gross me out, even if it didn't initially.
[00:18:55] Keith: Huh. Yeah.
[00:18:56] Ally: like There's something about tongues that I don't particularly like.
[00:18:59] Mike: You mean in a long enough time in a relationship or a long enough time with in a session?
[00:19:02] Ally: In a session.
[00:19:02] Keith: I think she means in a make out session, yeah.
[00:19:04] Ally: Yeah.
[00:19:04] Mike: Okay.
[00:19:05] Ally: yeah and
[00:19:07] Mike: But you but but for example, you when and we discussed this previously, but you don't want to give a blow and then have the penis put in your vagina afterward. No, way you do want that. it's the I can't remember. you have you know
[00:19:18] Ally: i I dislike more the penis being in the vagina and then in my mouth because then I can also like taste my own like fluids which I don't want to do but I kind of don't like it either way because yeah I think of the mouth bacteria as being like a different I don't know set of flora than the vaginal bacteria and I don't really want to like exchange them I don't know
[00:19:39] Mike: Hmm. Hmm. I think that like 99% of women do this. So you're, it's unlikely it causes problems, but all right.
[00:19:44] Ally: Yeah. Well, I'm in the top 1% for a lot of things.
[00:19:49] Mike: Lit size, apparently.
[00:19:51] Ally: Apparently. Yeah. Okay.
[00:19:53] Keith: Okay.
[00:19:53] Ally: So I'll do these measurements and I'll get back to you. But the other thing that I texted you about was I sent you pictures of an ex's penis that you could judge whether it was in fact smaller than normal or not.
[00:19:59] Keith: Oh, forgot about this.
[00:20:02] Ally: And you, or at least Keith, Keith said it was average, which I, which accords with, I think this person claimed to have a six inch, a six inch penis and you didn't receive them.
[00:20:03] Mike: I didn't see this.
[00:20:09] Mike: I didn't receive them.
[00:20:12] Ally: I texted
[00:20:13] Mike: what What platform were these?
[00:20:14] Ally: um I texted them to both of you, and Keith got them, so I have an iPhone.
[00:20:15] Mike: c sent on Oh no, that's why.
[00:20:17] Keith: Yeah, it was SMS.
[00:20:19] Mike: That's why it's because it was sent to Keith. And so because Keith used Android, it's difficult to, uh, his thing show everything, everything greens out.
[00:20:24] Ally: No, I sent them to both of you.
[00:20:26] Keith: Yeah, you're copied on this, Mike.
[00:20:27] Mike: Okay. So here it is looking at, this is good. Okay. So I'm noticing a pretty tight, tight circumcision here.
[00:20:30] Ally: um so Yeah, I wanted to know what you guys mean by tight circumcision.
[00:20:33] Keith: That's what I said.
[00:20:36] Ally: Also, so like this guy claimed to have a six-inch penis, and that seems average, and you said it was average. like Do you think that that... Does that accord with your estimation?
[00:20:46] Mike: Yeah, I think this looks like a six inch penis. What do you think, Keith?
[00:20:49] Keith: I think it looks about normal. i It might be a little bit smaller than that. It bends to the right.
[00:20:54] Ally: Well, normal is a qualitative judgment. Do you mean average?
[00:20:57] Keith: Yeah, fair enough. This guy's penis is, yeah, we can't.
[00:20:59] Mike: We're not gonna post these on the ah show notes, by the way.
[00:21:02] Ally: No, don't.
[00:21:04] Keith: Um, yeah. So, so for the listener, Ali sent us three pictures here and ah is he fully erect in these pictures?
[00:21:06] Ally: it does Yeah, it does curve, but like, yeah.
[00:21:16] Ally: Um, it's hard to tell.
[00:21:17] Mike: Not the first one.
[00:21:17] Keith: I guess the, yeah.
[00:21:18] Ally: Two of them are close up. The first one, I would say no.
[00:21:21] Keith: Yeah.
[00:21:21] Ally: The second two, it's really hard to tell. Like I would, I would say maybe no for the second one and yes for the third.
[00:21:28] Keith: Yeah, maybe.
[00:21:28] Ally: Sure. Yeah.
[00:21:29] Keith: His circumcision is very evocative of mine.
[00:21:29] Mike: Do you?
[00:21:32] Keith: like it He has a tight circumcision, much like mine.
[00:21:34] Ally: and And what do you mean by, or like what aspects of this picture make you say that?
[00:21:38] Keith: You want to do this, Mike?
[00:21:38] Mike: ah well Sure, it's it's just pretty obvious that there's limited foreskin um mobility based on the ah just based on sort of the the stretched appearance.
[00:21:39] Keith: Or you want me?
[00:21:50] Keith: The head.
[00:21:52] Mike: It looks kind of like a ah chicken whose head is neck is stretched, feathers have been plucked out.
[00:21:59] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:22:00] Mike: yeah and Also, I'll say one other thing, which is I noticed that the the coloration around his penis. So I can see, you notice how, I'm looking at the second of the three pictures here, you notice how it's kind of gray colored, except for the very coronal ridge of his penis and then underneath the frenalum area, it's the same.
[00:22:09] Ally: Yeah.
[00:22:11] Ally: ah
[00:22:14] Ally: ah
[00:22:19] Mike: So what I can tell is that when he's not erect, that part is covered by some foreskin remnant, but something like four fifths of the glands of his penis cannot be covered and therefore is sort of rubbing against his underwear and stuff.
[00:22:31] Mike: And so he doesn't have like as much sensitivity there.
[00:22:32] Ally: yeah
[00:22:35] Ally: Yeah, so I would say this is like everything that I see on like a circumcised guy. like I never see a circumcised guy who has an amount of foreskin that could cover the glands.
[00:22:45] Mike: how How much?
[00:22:46] Ally: There's a little bit that's like wrinkly on the shaft, but like it never covers any part of the glands, as far as I can tell.
[00:22:50] Mike: Well, the difference with Keith is that is that I don't think there's anything on the shaft that really moves. like i think I think it moves like ah millimeters.
[00:22:54] Keith: Yeah. So if somebody is circumcised, they're not going to have skin that covers the glands.
[00:23:00] Ally: Mm-hmm.
[00:23:02] Keith: That's what the circumcision does.
[00:23:03] Ally: Mm-hmm. yeah yeah yeah
[00:23:05] Keith: Now, the the question is, and i I actually don't know how circumcisions work ah specifically, but there must be something that the doctor chooses, which is how much of the foreskin below the glands to remove.
[00:23:20] Mike: i can I can explain how it works if you want.
[00:23:21] Keith: And Well, let me just explain my experience.
[00:23:25] Mike: Go ahead.
[00:23:25] Keith: My experience is that some larger amount than I would have liked has been removed.
[00:23:29] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:23:30] Keith: And so when I put my hand on my cock now, there isn't really anything that gives when I when i stroke it.
[00:23:31] Mike: Right.
[00:23:38] Keith: It's just sort of the skin that I have. There's no there's no looseness in skin. Now, people who haven't been circumcised, they can you know sort of pull it back so that they expose their head, or they can slide it forward so that the head is completely covered.
[00:23:52] Keith: And so they get this sort of sliding action. And then somewhere in between would be a less tight circumcision, which maybe Mike can explain.
[00:24:00] Mike: Yeah, that's just where where you can like cover most or all of the head of the penis. And i don't know and and you can when it's flaccid, you can cover the whole penis. um And in terms of how they perform this, when you're a baby, they pull the foreskin forward, stick it in something, and so then it's sort of folded over and and they snip it off, if that makes sense. like it's the foreskin is sort of a hollow tube, so they snip it off, which admittedly means that you have, there's essentially, that that and you can see that here, there's basically a scar because he has the original foreskin, then he has a scar where there would have been more foreskin.
[00:24:34] Mike: So it's it's basically like if you cut off the middle of something, if you cut out, like if you took your arm and you sort of like made it, there was a ridge of flesh that kind of stuck out and you just, around the the the arm, you cut that out. And so then you attach, and then and then the skin, of course, they're a baby, so the skin just, re you know, you just bandage it and and
[00:24:45] Ally: Yeah.
[00:24:48] Ally: Hmm.
[00:24:50] Mike: figures out everything and makes a scar. um The thing I want to know here though, Allie, is what how much foreskin mobility does this guy have?
[00:24:59] Ally: ah So like when erect, I guess, you know, there's you can sell there's like wrinkly skin on like, I guess what you're calling like the lower two thirds or something.
[00:25:05] Mike: Yes.
[00:25:06] Ally: So like you could pull that up to meet like the the ridge of the glands, but it wouldn't like cover it.
[00:25:10] Mike: Okay.
[00:25:11] Ally: It wouldn't go over the glands.
[00:25:12] Mike: So if you're giving him a hand job, this is the key. This is the key distinction. If you're giving him a hand job, you're moving the skin on his foreskin. Whereas if you're giving someone like Keith a hand job, your hand has to be sliding over the penis, the shaft of the penis.
[00:25:24] Keith: yes
[00:25:25] Ally: Right, right, right.
[00:25:26] Mike: And that's like a pretty big, and you can see this both ways in porn.
[00:25:26] Ally: Yeah.
[00:25:26] Keith: Yes.
[00:25:26] Ally: Okay.
[00:25:28] Mike: If you look like it's, and then of course the one way does not really require lubricant. The other way kind of absolutely does. Or you could use something slippery, like a pair of shorts or a sleeping bag.
[00:25:35] Ally: Yeah. Or a sleeping
[00:25:40] Mike: Yes.
[00:25:41] Keith: Exactly, exactly.
[00:25:42] Mike: um I feel like I feel like you should delete the one that shows his face.
[00:25:42] Keith: It's not my fault.
[00:25:47] Mike: I feel like should be deleted somehow. I don't want this guy's face. Yeah, maybe he would like us to have.
[00:25:53] Keith: not a He's not a bad looking man, Mike.
[00:25:53] Ally: Oh, like you want to delete it from the text thread?
[00:25:56] Mike: I just don't want I don't want to commit any crimes or like ah any, you know, I don't want to do anything bad to this guy.
[00:26:01] Keith: of Revenge born.
[00:26:02] Ally: I mean, he's 49 years old or not.
[00:26:05] Mike: oh No, it's not that. i just He doesn't know I have this picture. and And one other question. So in the third picture, I can't help but noticing that there seems to be a lot of, and this is something I knew would trigger Keith, there seems to be a lot of ah action ah on his balls.
[00:26:09] Ally: um
[00:26:12] Keith: Oh no. I know where he's going.
[00:26:18] Mike: Like he's been plucking the hairs out or kind of like doing some activity that abrades it. And so he's got, it looks like bloody areas maybe where hairs have been pulled out. Do you do you have any color on what happened there?
[00:26:30] Keith: Ah.
[00:26:30] Ally: He did, he did like shave his balls and like the whole region occasionally, so I think it could be like razor burn.
[00:26:34] Mike: ah
[00:26:38] Keith: Yes.
[00:26:38] Mike: And that, is that a pretty big turnoff for you? Somebody who's concerned about bodily fluids and kind of health and stuff like that. Do you, do you look at that and go, Ooh, this is kind of, cause that's kind of gross to me.
[00:26:44] Ally: Um, it was a little gross to look at. So usually I wouldn't like look at it, I guess too closely or like too much.
[00:26:55] Mike: Okay.
[00:26:55] Ally: I don't know. Like, yeah, I didn't like that it was a little bumpy. Um, I mean, the the other thing though is like, if you've never even just like trimmed your pubic hair, there's the chance of like a hair getting in my mouth while I'm going down on you, which is also not good.
[00:27:11] Mike: Which would you rather have the like hair, hair that, uh, let's say it's trimmed nicely, but there's still some chance of that or this weird like razor burn kind of blood situation.
[00:27:20] Ally: yeah
[00:27:23] Ally: Well, yeah, I mean, hair that's trimmed is the ideal choice.
[00:27:26] Mike: Okay. Okay.
[00:27:28] Ally: um that You're talking about like a large bush on a man where like you have to like push the hair down to get at the base of the penis.
[00:27:28] Mike: but No, nobody liked that.
[00:27:35] Ally: like That's also, like it's definitely going to go in my mouth. And and like you know like having a hair on your tongue while you're going down on someone, and like that's that's going to make you gag because there's this sensation of a hair in your mouth.
[00:27:43] Keith: Yeah, i have I have the proper advice for this, which is to buy an electric trimmer and use the number two or the number three attract attachment.
[00:27:47] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:27:51] Keith: And that gets it the right length where you have the sweet spot between ah looking like a bald but razor-burned baby and ah having the hairs be too long that the person going down on you is ah flossing her teeth.
[00:27:52] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:28:06] Mike: right
[00:28:07] Ally: Yeah.
[00:28:07] Mike: Did Ali, when he sent you these pictures, were they were they intended to turn you on and did they?
[00:28:12] Ally: So I would say they were and not Not really. I mean, its it's hard to teach an old man how to take dick pics because they always take pictures that make it look like they're holding their own dick hostage.
[00:28:26] Ally: Like there's no sense of like how the body is positioned or like including a hand or like.
[00:28:30] Keith: Oh my God, I just noticed something.
[00:28:33] Mike: Yeah.
[00:28:33] Keith: Did you guys see this second picture? Look carefully at the second picture. it's there's There's a pair of shorts in the background.
[00:28:37] Ally: ah boy to go back Yeah.
[00:28:40] Mike: Yeah, I see that.
[00:28:41] Ally: yeah
[00:28:41] Mike: he's got he's he's He's framing it over a pair of shorts.
[00:28:44] Keith: Mike, this guy also uses a sheath similar to me.
[00:28:45] Mike: That's right.
[00:28:46] Ally: Yeah, I think he had just. No.
[00:28:52] Keith: that's with that that's i I know what that material is. I know what's happening here.
[00:28:58] Keith: There's no other possible explanation.
[00:28:59] Ally: I assumed that those are those are his running shorts, I assumed he had just gone running and then like took them off and was using that as like a backdrop.
[00:29:04] Mike: I think it's bad.
[00:29:05] Keith: No, Allie.
[00:29:05] Ally: But maybe maybe, yeah.
[00:29:06] Keith: No. No, they're handy because he was masturbating and he needs those to masturbate with his tight circumcision.
[00:29:11] Mike: I don't know.
[00:29:11] Ally: I did this man's laundry for several years. I don't think that he uses those shorts to masturbate.
[00:29:15] Mike: ah Nick, you're right.
[00:29:17] Ally: I would have seen evidence on said shorts, but possibly.
[00:29:20] Mike: Yeah. What, what is, what, what framing should he have used if he wanted to turn you on?
[00:29:27] Ally: Just like, I don't know, the way that women take nudes is that you know you want to like see like a facial expression and like a position of the body and you want it to be taken like as though you're like in the act of like masturbating or touching yourself or something.
[00:29:39] Ally: you don't I assume you don't just want a tight close up of the organ itself.
[00:29:43] Mike: but isn't, okay, hang on, but a woman, a woman who's, who is looking sort of alluring like that. It's like, okay, so there's something missing in this picture and it's me fucking her.
[00:29:53] Mike: Okay. I got that. But if a man takes a picture of himself erect, isn't that always just kind of sad? Because it's like, what's, what's, why is he saying that we're going to.
[00:30:01] Ally: No, I wanted to be like, he's touching himself and thinking of me, you know, like, it's the same idea, like, yeah, you know.
[00:30:08] Mike: Okay. So if he, if he had a picture of himself with this phone and there was a video of you masturbating on the phone and he was rubbing his hand up and down on his penis, that would have turned you on.
[00:30:20] Ally: Yeah, and it doesn't even, like, it doesn't have to be obvious, you know, that there's like a picture of me or a video of me involved or something, but just like if he, you know, he's looking at the phone camera and it like,
[00:30:27] Mike: What if it was like that big clit porn?
[00:30:32] Mike: Would that upset you?
[00:30:32] Ally: First of all, I don't need to see or necessarily even want to see like what stimuli he's using.
[00:30:33] Mike: I mean, if,
[00:30:40] Ally: I want the idea to be like, you know, he has like a sexy look on his face and he's touching himself and like trying to take a picture of like most of his body, I guess, to show me like, you know, what all of him looks like and what it would look like if he were like in front of me.
[00:30:44] Mike: Yeah.
[00:30:50] Mike: Yeah.
[00:30:51] Keith: This is, this feels like a, this is a very difficult needle to thread.
[00:30:51] Mike: I don't. So my position I.
[00:30:54] Ally: um
[00:30:56] Keith: I understand why men struggle to send sexy dick pics because you can't even describe what you want to see and let alone is the man supposed to generate such a thing.
[00:30:56] Mike: Right. I agree.
[00:31:01] Ally: Yeah.
[00:31:09] Mike: This is, to me, this is like, it's, there's an analogy here, which is if a woman, like okay, fine, a woman can take an alluring erotic picture of herself or video that turns guys on. Let's say instead you have to take a naked picture of yourself or video as a woman that makes you look powerful and in charge.
[00:31:23] Mike: It's really hard because like, I don't know, you just don't have the right equipment. You look like somebody who's supposed to be fucked and or care for a baby.
[00:31:28] Ally: well
[00:31:31] Mike: You've got breasts and you have this like missing genitalia. Whereas the guy, I think it's the opposite. Like he looks powerful with man. You know, he can look powerful in posing like he's dominant, like look like a Roman emperor statue.
[00:31:42] Mike: However, if he's beating off now, it's just kind of sad because it's like, oh, you couldn't get a woman to do that for you. Like it's just, to me, like I think it just directly contradicts his masculinity.
[00:31:49] Keith: Hmm.
[00:31:52] Ally: Hmm.
[00:31:54] Ally: I find a guy masturbating in front of me to be arousing. So, Keith, like, I think what I'm describing is basically the kind of picture you want a woman to take where, like, you know, he's, like, lying down or lying on his side, like, looking at the camera, you know, touching himself, but, like, with a sexy expression on his face.
[00:31:59] Mike: If you're there, because
[00:32:10] Ally: You can see, like, his dick in his hand. You can see, like, his chest, his face, and he's lying down.
[00:32:15] Keith: Is lying down on your side powerful or sexy? It's tricky.
[00:32:21] Ally: Okay, or he's lying down on his back, I don't know. like He can't be lying down on his front because then I can't see the dick.
[00:32:26] Keith: Like one of these pictures he sent, he is on his back. Now I know it's too tightly cropped, but yeah.
[00:32:32] Ally: Yeah. But yeah, it's like it's just the dick and like that's not enough. like I don't know.
[00:32:39] Mike: Okay. Uh, Ali, I sent you, I put in the chat, I put in the chat, a picture called the timeless art of seduction.
[00:32:41] Ally: That's just like proving that he's erect or something. Yeah.
[00:32:46] Mike: It's a large print poster of see George Costanza.
[00:32:46] Ally: No, okay, no, that's not at all what I'm describing.
[00:32:47] Keith: know
[00:32:49] Ally: That's not what I...
[00:32:50] Mike: It doesn't work.
[00:32:51] Keith: I remember this picture before I even click on it.
[00:32:52] Mike: Okay.
[00:32:52] Ally: Oh.
[00:32:53] Keith: Yep, there it is.
[00:32:55] Mike: That's what I was thinking of, but he is trying to be sexy and George can't, because he's just not, he's not your boyfriend.
[00:32:59] Ally: He doesn't know it doesn't have any of the elements I've described.
[00:33:00] Mike: I look, I think that I believe.
[00:33:03] Ally: He's like on his knees like wearing undershorts like it's.
[00:33:08] Mike: All right. I believe it's hot to a woman to have a guy beat off in front of you because he's imposing himself on you, sending you a picture where he's like a thousand miles away, being off on like his own couch.
[00:33:12] Ally: Yeah.
[00:33:18] Mike: Just, I don't know, man. I think it's like weakness.
[00:33:20] Ally: but like I've had phone sex or I've had like, I don't even know what you call it over video chat, like FaceTime sex or whatever.
[00:33:24] Mike: Sure. but But he's imposing himself on you.
[00:33:25] Ally: And like, that's both of you guys masturbating. So you want like a picture that resembles that scenario. like
[00:33:31] Mike: I think the dynamics matter. like Once you take a woman out of the picture, or man a man's sex is just sad.
[00:33:33] Keith: Yeah.
[00:33:35] Mike: This is why men hide their masturbation. Women do it because they don't want to be raped. But like women's masturbation is very powerful because everybody wants to see it. Nobody wants to see guys masturbating. That's my take.
[00:33:46] Mike: I think it's just sad. In fact, in fact ill i'll tell i'll go one further I'll go one further. I actually think society would be better i think I think everybody would be happier if society was constructed such that there were free, legal, and normalized ways for guys to get beaten off by women. like So instead of beating off, guys would just go to the massage parlor and get a hand job from a woman, because then it makes him more... but Even his wife, I think, would prefer that, because it's like, oh, good, you did the power move. You're not at at home beating off silently, ah stroking yourself.
[00:34:17] Keith: hu
[00:34:18] Ally: I think this is just a difference in like you know you find women appealing, so you want to watch women masturbate, and I find men appealing, so I want to watch men masturbate. like I don't think that men's masturbation is sad.
[00:34:27] Keith: I don't, I think on average, most women don't want to watch men masturbate.
[00:34:28] Mike: I think you want men to be powerful. Agreed. But they would be OK. And I don't think I don't think women want to even think about it or I think women prefer to pretend it doesn't happen. And this is why you have so many people that get it angry. Women get angry with their partners about using porn, even though close something rounding up to 100 percent of men use porn.
[00:34:52] Mike: Because because it's it's it's impotent, it's it's not it's the it's the man being weak, it's embarrassing. It's like, why weren't you fucking me? or at least a woman or an animal. No, just a woman, that's fine.
[00:35:06] Ally: I guess i don't I don't think of it as weak. I don't know.
[00:35:09] Mike: Okay, you should, you should re re reassess your thinking on this.
[00:35:11] Ally: Okay. Okay.
[00:35:13] Mike: Yes, yeah.
[00:35:13] Keith: All right, let's move on.
[00:35:14] Mike: yeah
[00:35:15] Keith: um I had a video call last night with somebody that I met on a dating app. um And yes.
[00:35:23] Ally: in the United States?
[00:35:27] Keith: And we We haven't met yet. um And I wasn't really that interested.
[00:35:34] Ally: Were you wearing those glasses?
[00:35:36] Mike: Hang on. Hang on. I want to hear this.
[00:35:37] Keith: No, these glasses are are new and they were $3 on ibuydirect.com.
[00:35:39] Ally: Okay. Okay.
[00:35:44] Keith: ah the Okay, I think she sort of, she wasn't as attractive as she was in her photos. And it seems weird that she insisted on a video call before meeting, given that, because I'm no longer as interested in meeting her after the video chat.
[00:36:02] Mike: Hmm.
[00:36:09] Mike: Well, isn't the video chat mostly for her like safety and to vet you? She's not trying to woo you.
[00:36:15] Keith: um I think women often use a video chat for safety and to vet.
[00:36:19] Ally: Mm-hm.
[00:36:21] Mike: Yeah.
[00:36:23] Keith: I don't know if I need to be vetted as much as the average man you meet on a dating app. Like i did I don't think I come off as sexually as the average dating app person.
[00:36:35] Ally: No, not even for that, but vetting you for like autism, basically. like Am I going to enjoy talking to this person for an hour?
[00:36:39] Mike: Mm.
[00:36:42] Keith: Yeah, but I think she's caused, well, in this particular case, she unvetted herself.
[00:36:42] Mike: Fair.
[00:36:50] Keith: Like I was interested before and I no longer am.
[00:36:53] Mike: How much less attractive what like what were what were the I mean, obviously her staged photos are going to be pretty attractive. I mean, that would be smart for us. It's going to be really hard for her to meet that standard. but how How like what were the specific problems like what what went wrong?
[00:37:05] Ally: Like she wasn't wearing makeup in the video or something or like.
[00:37:07] Keith: I think, no, I think it was like a minus two and a half, whatever she was.
[00:37:12] Mike: Okay.
[00:37:13] Keith: I now think she's, it was a lot.
[00:37:13] Mike: That's a lot. So it's sort of like a two face situation. You're like, wow, this is almost not the same person.
[00:37:19] Keith: Yes.
[00:37:20] Mike: Hmm.
[00:37:20] Ally: Oh wow. Would you say that like all of her pictures were from a particular angle or do you think the pictures were Photoshopped or like filtered? Like what do you think the difference was? Like the pictures were old.
[00:37:28] Keith: I think she chose exceptionally well the photos on her dating app and probably curated them carefully. i I went back and looked, of course.
[00:37:40] Keith: And yeah, they're not quite close enough, so you can't see her face very well. She's in sunglasses in two of the three, which you know makes things tricky.
[00:37:48] Mike: Hmm.
[00:37:48] Ally: okay
[00:37:50] Keith: um And the one where she's not, she's like too far away from the camera. But um I'm trying to understand. i've pontificated about this on the show before, but I don't understand the strategy for women catfishing men.
[00:38:06] Keith: What is their hope that like when they put themselves in front of them, that they'll be able to charm them with their incredible conversational abilities?
[00:38:12] Ally: Oh, OK. Well, I think you are very sensitive to like women's physical appearance and differences therein.
[00:38:14] Keith: like what
[00:38:22] Ally: And maybe, you know, other guys wouldn't.
[00:38:22] Keith: Yes, I think most humans are.
[00:38:25] Mike: I think most men are Ali.
[00:38:25] Ally: No, but you're like, you're like extremely, no, like Keith is an outlier here.
[00:38:26] Mike: All right.
[00:38:28] Keith: I, ah so I am, I select on physical attractiveness more than others.
[00:38:35] Ally: Yeah, and there's like an extremely narrow range, I feel like, in which you are interested. And I feel like for most men, the range is wider. So they might say like, oh, maybe these pictures were taken like a couple years ago, she looks a little older or something, but like, you know, she still looks good.
[00:38:47] Ally: Like, I think, you know, there's a difference between like,
[00:38:48] Mike: i don't i think a better I think a better analogy for what Keith experienced here, and this is very common, is the woman who
[00:38:48] Keith: Yeah.
[00:38:56] Mike: hides obfuscates or changes in some way her weight. And then you, people talk about this and then you go meet her and it's like, oh, you're not, you're not in the category that I thought you were in. And that's sort of, I think that's something that would, I think this isn't just Keith being sensitive. This is like a normal thing where it's like the person has hidden a key characteristic. And then there'd be this question of, well, why even bother having these photos, little guys that'll repeatedly create first dates for you, where the guy just nopes out or kind of behaves like an asshole because he doesn't want to date somebody in your say weight category.
[00:39:26] Mike: That's what you're saying, Keith.
[00:39:26] Keith: can i Yeah, let me say something quickly before Ellie responds.
[00:39:26] Mike: Like this. Yeah, go ahead.
[00:39:29] Keith: I do think that is the perfect analogy. I will concede the point that it's possible that I am overly sensitive ah to various criteria in evaluating physical attractiveness.
[00:39:42] Keith: But yeah, the experience for me yesterday was something like um I thought she was X and then she was X minus two and a half. Now that could be because she was heavier or it could be because she was uglier or it could be because of whatever. But that was my experience. And I don't understand what a woman doing that is doing. I mean, I think men lie about their age so that they can get access to ah someone who wouldn't normally agree to go on a date with them.
[00:40:13] Keith: and then once they right But once they get in front of them, they think that, oh, they can they can seduce them somehow.
[00:40:13] Ally: yeah hundred percent and yeah
[00:40:24] Keith: But I'm not sure that that's a good strategy for women. I think they would just end up wasting their time a bunch.
[00:40:29] Mike: It's a terrible strategy for a woman. Well, and and they might have sex with the guy. They might have multiple dates, but the guy's going to nope out at an inconvenient point, probably right after the first or second time they have sex, which you which to be fair, you hear about all the time.
[00:40:42] Ally: 100%.
[00:40:43] Keith: Yeah.
[00:40:44] Ally: I mean, it's it's a tough strategy to execute, but I still think that the the woman could thread the needle here. Like maybe she's saying I really want to meet somebody who, you know, loves my personality or who like I'm really similar to or something like I want to get past the initial filter for a lot of people and then select on that personality match.
[00:41:00] Ally: And maybe her intention is I'm not going to have sex with these guys, you know, until the fifth date or something like to avoid that, like until I'm really sure that this guy's personality really meshes well with mine. Like I think that could still work.
[00:41:12] Ally: Like she'd have to be pretty strict about
[00:41:12] Keith: If there was something you could do on dating apps where you could just like wave an AI at it and it would like plus one and a half your photos, would you want to do so?
[00:41:25] Ally: But I personally know, but.
[00:41:28] Mike: you could understand some of the doing it.
[00:41:28] Keith: Why?
[00:41:28] Ally: I mean, I like.
[00:41:29] Keith: but like Like, can we argue the opposite side here? Why would you not want to do that?
[00:41:34] Ally: Well, I guess like I don't want to. be dishonest in a way that I couldn't replicate. So here's the thing. like I guess when when I you know was on the apps recently, um like I would use photos where I was maybe wearing makeup or something and I don't always wear makeup in real life.
[00:41:53] Ally: like I don't think that's lying because I'm capable of like recreating that makeup look or something.
[00:41:53] Keith: Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:41:57] Ally: like But I wouldn't photoshop a picture because that's like not something I'm capable of recreating in person. But if I was wearing makeup in the picture and then showed up to a date wearing weightless makeup or something, I wouldn't feel like that is catfishing. like It's me with makeup versus without makeup. like It's not a huge difference. There's a difference.
[00:42:17] Ally: but like
[00:42:17] Mike: But you're sensitive to the possibility. I mean, you're sensitive to the thing Keith's complaining about with this particular encounter. They're like that. you You wouldn't want to be put in that position.
[00:42:23] Ally: like yeah Well, I don't know what is causing the difference that Keith is identifying. like If it's just makeup versus not makeup, I think that person you know, would be ruled out by Keith, but accurately because that person is trying to signal like, you know, I can wear makeup, I sometimes wear makeup, I'm not going to wear makeup 365 days a year. So I'm going to maybe show up with less makeup or no makeup so that you understand like what you're getting into. You know, there's like a range of possible looks.
[00:42:50] Ally: And like, you're not always going to get the makeup look.
[00:42:51] Keith: Yeah.
[00:42:53] Ally: But if Keith like would only accept the makeup look, then that's probably not the right match for her.
[00:42:53] Mike: Keith, how old was this?
[00:42:57] Ally: like
[00:42:58] Mike: How old was this person?
[00:42:58] Keith: I don't want to provide any more details because I actually haven't decided whether I want to meet this person between 20 and 50.
[00:43:01] Mike: Age range.
[00:43:06] Mike: Oh, come on. the reason The reason why I wanted to ask that was I wanted to bring up another relevant topic that i and I wanted to see how Ali responded.
[00:43:11] Keith: Yeah.
[00:43:13] Mike: let's Let's say that she was 30, just for sake of argument. um Now, she's already passed the period of time when she has the most attractiveness actually by some wide margin.
[00:43:27] Mike: so she's sort of so i mean
[00:43:28] Keith: Here come the emails, but okay.
[00:43:30] Mike: if the if if the ah If the goal of a woman kind of sociologically or culturally is to have like the as wide a selection of a guy guys as possible and to then be very selective,
[00:43:45] Mike: um Isn't this just sort of, I mean, isn't it sort of too late and she's and she's and she's already sort of passed that prime? And secondly, kind of relatedly, um what do you think about the argument that women generally are by kind of passing the period where they could make the maximum selection and by now kind of participating in these dating markets throughout their lives?
[00:44:12] Mike: ah kind of undermining the important thing the important aspect of what they're supposed to do culturally, which is to be super selective. Guys pick the right guys and instead sort of just go into this like cock carousel. like I mean, don't you think like there's this this whole thing like is sort of problematic culturally?
[00:44:30] Ally: Well, so like I guess when I'm talking about the widest possible selection, I mean like the widest possible selection for her at this point in her life. Like if we're assuming that she was maximally attractive at 21 or whatever and is like less attractive now, like, well, she's looking for someone now.
[00:44:43] Ally: Like what does it matter? What kind of guy she could have pulled at 21, you know? And then the question also,
[00:44:47] Mike: Well, because I'll tell you what matters because because when she was 21, she could have been yeah maximally selective instead of going to Nashville and fucking random nudes. And then she would actually have like a guy and then she could actually commit to the guy and not go on the cock carousel.
[00:45:03] Mike: And then she could actually have like kind of the life she imagines. But now it's like, so I mean, it matters in the sense that like, she's, this would be like on some level, I think that a woman, this is what like JD Vance means about cat ladies like you, Allie.
[00:45:14] Mike: Is it like you guys have like, are you got you guys have sort of blown it, right? It's like, look, if if you're, if you're in your thirties and you're single, you don't have any choices left. Many.
[00:45:23] Ally: Oh no, there are still choices left.
[00:45:23] Mike: And so you like, all you got, you're just, it's not going to work.
[00:45:28] Ally: like i
[00:45:29] Mike: Not good ones.
[00:45:31] Ally: Yeah, there are still good ones.
[00:45:33] Mike: No. Really?
[00:45:35] Ally: it's like i mean I guess the analogy you're trying to make is like, you know, what if as soon as you graduated from grad school, like you just got a job and then you stuck with that job for the whole rest of your career and, you know, got promoted or whatever, but like, you know, same company or whatever, like, would that be good?
[00:45:45] Mike: But that's a women.
[00:45:49] Ally: Yeah, that would be good. But like, not everybody does that. But then say you're like, OK, well, you know, now you're 35 and like changing jobs again. Like, that's not always a bad thing. Like.
[00:46:00] Mike: It is for women. Women cycle out. First of all, women do actually stay at jobs much longer than men, statistically.
[00:46:04] Ally: Mm hmm.
[00:46:05] Mike: But secondly, in terms of family and dating and stuff like that, I mean, you don't want to ... Well, see, you're a weird person. You're an unusual person potentially. But I mean, most girls when they're 15 don't imagine like going through seven partners for five years each and be like, oh, that's how my adulthood's going to work.
[00:46:20] Mike: right they They want to actually pick somebody and stay with them.
[00:46:21] Ally: Yeah.
[00:46:23] Mike: Whereas guys would be much more comfortable switching partners every five years.
[00:46:26] Ally: Right. And so like that's not what I intended to do either. like These relationships didn't work out you know mostly, I think, for guy-driven reasons.
[00:46:37] Mike: You don't think it's your fault for not being selective enough. I mean, it's, I think, I think it's sort of like, I actually think it's kind of definitionally your fault because your job is to be selective. So you failed finding a guy that'll stay with you.
[00:46:45] Ally: Well, selective across what axis? like I feel like I was being as selective as I could be. Well, I mean, how do you define that other than through success? Like, how do you know on the second date, this is a guy who will stay with me?
[00:47:00] Keith: You don't, but you know after the 30th, or you could know after the 30th.
[00:47:00] Mike: I think that, wi yeah, maybe. And women, women, I think have all these behaviors.
[00:47:05] Ally: But I don't, I mean, like these guys stayed with me for like six years or whatever, you know, like some of them proposed, like, I don't think...
[00:47:11] Keith: Would you make the argument that that there was nothing you there was no moment at which you should have known?
[00:47:20] Ally: I think it's impossible to know until you actually break up with someone like whether you're going to break up. Because in any relationship, like you know you go through rough patches or there are things you don't like about the person, but like you're not trying to find a perfect person. like you know you You compromise on things until one of you decides to no longer compromise.
[00:47:38] Keith: i think it's I think there's error bars. So I think when you first start dating someone, you have no idea what the likely outcome is. And then it like it could become clear that like there's some long-term potential with them. But then at some point, usually long before the actual breakup happens is the moment when the breakup should have happened.
[00:48:02] Keith: um And a lot of people keep fighting ah for the relationship and keep going, even though they should have known. And it's a little bit hard to like give them too much sympathy because it's like, yeah, like we all saw that you guys weren't like right for each other three years ago.
[00:48:18] Ally: Well, no, because you can make that determination. And that's true knowing like post facto that you did break up. But if they never broke up, then like the continuing to fight was just part of the relationship.
[00:48:30] Ally: Because I feel like I've always been willing to like continue to fight unless there's something like egregious.
[00:48:33] Keith: No, I don't think that's right either.
[00:48:34] Ally: And like you know had these relationships worked out, like that would just be what the relationship is, I guess.
[00:48:41] Keith: I think a lot of relationships, for starters, half of marriages end in divorce and then the half that don't are all pretty crappy. And just because
[00:48:49] Mike: They do now, but I mean that wasn't true in 1930, but go on.
[00:48:54] Keith: fair but just because a relationship is still a relationship doesn't necessarily mean it should be a relationship. So there's the people that um should have broken up and ultimately did, and then there's the people who should have broken up and ultimately didn't, but both are bad outcomes that could have been known as soon as they pass the point of should have broken up.
[00:49:17] Ally: But how do you define what that point of should have broken up is?
[00:49:20] Keith: Well, you don't know, there's error bars. And you know it's at some point there's a cliff where where you get like a lot more data and it's like, oh, I see what this person it actually is.
[00:49:23] Mike: But that's literally like.
[00:49:30] Keith: And at that point you should recognize it and move on or recognize it and do everything you can to lock them down.
[00:49:31] Mike: Yeah.
[00:49:34] Ally: Well, I guess i don't know how to do I don't know how to define that point.
[00:49:38] Mike: I mean, it but isn't that I mean.
[00:49:38] Ally: Yeah, I guess I don't know how to define that cliff.
[00:49:39] Keith: Well, nobody does, nobody does.
[00:49:40] Ally: Like if I could, like, you know, but yeah.
[00:49:42] Mike: I see, I disagree, I think that women do, I think this is a skill set that women possess that men don't possess necessarily, because that's women's job is to basically go through guys until you find
[00:49:48] Keith: Hmm.
[00:49:53] Mike: the right one. like the the like A guy will stay with anybody who will let him, in general, that will let him have sex with them because we're capable of having...
[00:50:02] Ally: That's not true.
[00:50:05] Ally: That hasn't been my experience.
[00:50:05] Mike: i mean if if you well the the yeah ah Most divorces, the large majority of divorces are initiated by women.
[00:50:06] Ally: And I don't think that's been the experience of a lot of like women I know who've gotten divorced. like
[00:50:21] Ally: OK, but it's not because the woman wouldn't let the guy have sex with her anymore. It's often because the guy found like somebody else who would let him have sex with her and he wanted to cheat or wanted to like you know have sex with a different person.
[00:50:30] Mike: Well, sure.
[00:50:31] Ally: And like how do you how do you predict that's going to happen?
[00:50:31] Mike: You wouldn't, but he's not going to break up.
[00:50:34] Ally: like
[00:50:34] Mike: Well, you could maybe, well, I don't know because I'm not a woman, but like the, so I don't know how I don't, I'm not, I know, I know, I understand chival che chivalric seduction, but not not selectivity because that's not a man's job, but the, but the man would probably, I think most men, if they could cheat on their wife,
[00:50:54] Mike: The vast majority, I think, if they could do that would just keep doing that and stay married. Like they're fine with that. It's that the woman is not comfortable with that arrangement for obvious reasons. um Yeah, I just I just think it's an interesting question whether there's look, there's a male side to this as well, which is that I've been told by young women that men, ah well, men now I think are more interested in video games than having a relationship, but also that ah Yeah. I mean, just men generally have sort of given up on the process of ah coupling. So there's like a male, there's like a, definitely a male aspect to this as well. Um, but I just sort of wonder like what the, what, what, yeah, what the purpose of a woman who's passed a certain age on a dating app even really could be. It seems like she's just like, it's, it's not going to work out great.
[00:51:47] Ally: I mean, that's possible, but like what is the other option? Like celibacy. I mean, there are men on those dating apps who have gotten divorced and there are men who are widowed and there are men who never married in the first place. Like there's a lot of different scenarios.
[00:52:02] Mike: yeah don't know
[00:52:02] Ally: And it I don't know that, you know, I wouldn't classify everybody in those scenarios as like broken or something like, you know, I mean, what, yeah, like in the case of a widower, like, what do you think went wrong there?
[00:52:02] Mike: take it
[00:52:15] Ally: Like his wife got cancer.
[00:52:15] Keith: Well, I know that's such an edge case that it almost proves the rule though.
[00:52:16] Ally: I mean, like, no, but even, I mean, so you think there's like no divorce where one party was more of responsible or mostly responsible.
[00:52:21] Mike: Yeah, I don't know. No,
[00:52:28] Mike: I do. I definitely think that it's just, yeah.
[00:52:29] Keith: They exist, but yeah, the odds of finding um a maximally eligible man later are much lower for various unfair reasons.
[00:52:38] Mike: Right. yeah To me, that the this thing of a woman trying to appear more attractive than she is is somehow is just a symptom of a person who sort of missed their window and now they're like, well, what am I supposed to do now?
[00:52:52] Mike: and so they're kind of like
[00:52:52] Ally: So you think she's trying to appeal to younger men?
[00:52:56] Mike: ah no she's No, they're trying to appeal to eligible men, but she's trying to overcome the reality that she Uh, if she's 30 as I guessed, uh, or maybe 35 or something that she's the reality that she, uh, yeah, that she doesn't have the level of, she wants to have more choice.
[00:53:11] Ally: Well,
[00:53:14] Mike: She wants to be able to run more guys through her machinery to be able to make a good selection because ultimately that's kind of what women need to do.
[00:53:21] Ally: Sure, but I think maybe she's not selecting for attractiveness in the same way that Keith is. I think she's selecting for personality and trying to find, you know.
[00:53:31] Mike: Well, sure, but she still will but but she's still going to have a smaller number of men.
[00:53:31] Keith: I mean, she selected me.
[00:53:34] Ally: Right, that implies that she's bad at it, but like.
[00:53:38] Mike: No, she's going to have a smaller selection.
[00:53:38] Keith: Maybe she selected for attractive.
[00:53:41] Mike: The more attractive she is, the bigger.
[00:53:41] Ally: Yeah, there's just a lot of selection for sure, yeah. But like, that's just how time works, I guess.
[00:53:48] Mike: Yeah. No, that's true. That's true. I'm just trying to basically make the argument that it's all women's fault.
[00:53:52] Ally: Yeah.
[00:53:56] Ally: Oh, I see. Well, I mean, I think you make the best choice you can with the options presented to you.
[00:53:57] Keith: Where it is, where it is everything.
[00:54:00] Mike: Yes, yes, on the.
[00:54:04] Ally: And if the first choice doesn't work out, like you make a second choice. I don't know. like It's not optimal, but in the same way that like making any second choice is not exactly what you had hoped would happen.
[00:54:10] Mike: Sure, sure.
[00:54:20] Ally: I don't know. like If the other option is just giving up, like you know I would argue for not giving up.
[00:54:21] Mike: But to be fair, Ali.
[00:54:25] Mike: You probably. you probably can't relate to the, the cock carousel riders. That's part of what's going on here. So it's like, you, you may not even believe it's too late now.
[00:54:32] Ally: Right, I can't even find the cot carousel. like
[00:54:36] Mike: It's too late now, but, but maybe you don't believe that there in this is true, that there's a very large cohort of women in the age range 18 to say 25 who have no interest.
[00:54:38] Ally: yeah
[00:54:45] Mike: They're not trying to select for somebody that would be a good husband or anything like that. They're just status seeking Instagram posting, fucking all these different guys. Like they're just, they're not doing the typical selective things.
[00:54:56] Mike: and that cohort of women I think is problematic for society.
[00:55:00] Ally: and i I probably don't know anyone in that cohort.
[00:55:01] Mike: But you're you're not, yeah Keith does.
[00:55:07] Ally: Yeah.
[00:55:08] Keith: I do.
[00:55:11] Keith: And I get the spoils of that behavior.
[00:55:11] Mike: Yeah.
[00:55:12] Ally: But is that like Keith, you you got the impression that this woman? Yeah. You got the impression that this woman is part of that cohort that she's just trying to fuck as many guys as possible, right?
[00:55:21] Mike: I don't think so.
[00:55:21] Keith: I don't know. i'm I am confused why, one, she's catfishing at all, two, that she's that she is catfishing, why she's insisting on doing a video chat before meeting, because unfortunately, she sort of submarine her torpedoed her chance of me wanting to meet her.
[00:55:42] Keith: I still still might, if I'm bored, but I don't know. My my heart is so...
[00:55:45] Ally: Yeah, what did what did you...
[00:55:47] Keith: This was one of the first people I've talked to in months anyway, because my heart is sort of elsewhere.
[00:55:50] Mike: I don't think that's a common outcome, Keith. i think I think most guys would, I think most guys, if they think they can have sex with, I mean, the the question would be, is she a one or a zero on the one is yes, I would fuck her zeros.
[00:56:02] Mike: I would not. And assuming she's a one, most guys would go ahead and proceed anyway.
[00:56:04] Keith: Yes.
[00:56:05] Mike: And so the thing you're saying doesn't matter. Now, I mean, like,
[00:56:07] Keith: Yeah.
[00:56:08] Ally: I agree with that, yeah.
[00:56:08] Mike: it would It's a bad strategy for if she's trying to have like a long-term relationship because she's just going to produce a three-day fuck and then he ghosts her situation. I think that's the modal outcome here.
[00:56:19] Mike: But she may not realize that because I don't think that people's psychology is necessarily set up for this like Tinder methodology of selecting guys.
[00:56:20] Keith: Yeah.
[00:56:27] Keith: No, it's not.
[00:56:29] Mike: So I think people do a lot of dumb things.
[00:56:29] Keith: It's not. um i wanted to
[00:56:31] Mike: And I should say that the women the women riding the carousel I think actually want to find a husband and settle down. they just like Modern technology has scrambled their brains. Go ahead. Sorry.
[00:56:42] Keith: I wanted to talk about one more thing before we wrap here, and that is ah Kamala Harris's appearance on the Call Her Daddy podcast.
[00:56:50] Mike: Hmm.
[00:56:51] Keith: Did did you did you know that that is the second most listened podcast in the world?
[00:56:56] Mike: I know now I did not.
[00:56:57] Keith: Joe Rogan is number one.
[00:56:59] Mike: We're in the right category here, Keith.
[00:57:01] Keith: Yeah, I guess sex and relationships is the way to go. um
[00:57:06] Ally: So I didn't I didn't listen to this episode or come wise on did you listen to it?
[00:57:10] Keith: I saw some clips. The overwhelming response seems to be negative.
[00:57:12] Mike: Me too.
[00:57:15] Keith: People are mad at her for having Kamala on. They're mad at her for being a bad interview. They're mad at her for not having Trump on, although apparently she did invite Trump on. um
[00:57:27] Keith: ah
[00:57:27] Ally: They're mad at her for having Kamala on because they are Trump supporters or because I think it was a bad interview.
[00:57:31] Keith: I mean, because her but because her podcast is so enormous, but she has basically 50-50, like half her audience is Republican, half of it is Democrat.
[00:57:42] Keith: And so by having Kamala on, you know, she sort of definitionally bothers half of them.
[00:57:42] Ally: Okay.
[00:57:42] Mike: ah
[00:57:48] Keith: um
[00:57:48] Mike: Is there a way, Keith, we could ah target the 50% that are Republican and get and peel them off to the EMV listeners?
[00:57:53] Keith: Give them a place for a soft landing.
[00:57:53] Ally: All right. Yeah.
[00:57:57] Keith: Ali could have heard gluck, gluck, 9000 moment. um
[00:58:01] Mike: I mean, the problem, like, yeah, whatever.
[00:58:01] Ally: So is, is Call Her Daddy still even about sex though?
[00:58:03] Mike: Go ahead.
[00:58:06] Ally: Like I know it started out that way. I've only ever heard one episode and she was interviewing Allie Reisman, the gymnast, and it wasn't about sex at all. Like I think now it's just a celebrity interview podcast.
[00:58:15] Mike: Right. Yes.
[00:58:21] Keith: i don't I find her so irredeemably annoying that it's really hard for me to say anything objective here.
[00:58:30] Ally: and
[00:58:30] Keith: It started as sort of a raunchy sex podcast and was sort of entertaining. um I didn't like it because I could feel ah her and her co-hosts insecurities in their positioning that they were totally not insecure.
[00:58:47] Keith: right like They're trying to do this like really open thing and they acted as if they were you know the oracles of you know being a Gen Z or millennial woman in this new modern sexualized world.
[00:59:01] Ally: Mm-hm.
[00:59:02] Keith: But ah you were right, she lost the co-host, they had some sort of falling out, and then Spotify signed What is her name? Alex Cooper to a $60 million dollars deal. And now I only listened to bits and pieces, but now it seems like a fairly milk toast um with the attempt to seem controversial or provocative sheen, but it's really just boring masturbatory women talking about how woke and how comfortable they are with the fourth wave feminism or something. and
[00:59:38] Keith: So that's that's what her show is now. And for some reason it's wildly popular and I don't understand it. It really bothers me.
[00:59:46] Mike: I do understand it because it's because people it's the it's the same thing that's happened to pop music with Spotify. People just listen to whatever the next up is. The YouTube algorithm controls what people watch and people don't appear to, just like women with their partners, people are generally not applying any selectivity to their ah what's whether the the information they're consuming.
[00:59:56] Keith: Nice day.
[01:00:06] Keith: ah
[01:00:06] Mike: ah but One thing that irritated me about their the sex part of the show was that they just systematically lie about stuff. I mean, they're not actually interested in informing people about sex topics. And this is true.
[01:00:18] Keith: Right.
[01:00:18] Mike: I mean, all basically all of the top sex podcasts ah just just lie. When I say lie, they're just you know it's like, oh, squirting is not P. Okay, that's just a lie. you know The information about how likely you are it to have as an orgasm as a woman from PIV, they're just lying about it.
[01:00:33] Mike: they like All these different kinds of... they're They're basically actually purveyors of fake information to women, which I think is really unfortunate.
[01:00:39] Keith: Yeah, I don't like how they don't talk about the mental health issues that um occur for women who sleep around a bunch.
[01:00:40] Mike: yeah
[01:00:47] Mike: Sure.
[01:00:47] Keith: And again, women should should and can do whatever they like. But um normalizing things that I think probably on average are not what women want, I think is not helpful and dishonest.
[01:01:02] Keith: And getting rich on the back of that is bothersome for me.
[01:01:07] Mike: But that's how we live in the age, we live in the new 50s.
[01:01:09] Keith: That's fifth wave feminism, baby.
[01:01:11] Mike: We're in the new age of conformity, where wherere the the being a counter-cultural person is gonna get you banned. So we are the counter-culture sex podcast.
[01:01:19] Keith: Yeah.
[01:01:23] Keith: That's right.
[01:01:23] Mike: and actually I actually think we might be the only one. but I mean think we're the only one that I've encountered that says anything that isn't just like the standard tropes, a lot of them false, that are said by the culture about sex.
[01:01:34] Ally: Ha
[01:01:35] Mike: so
[01:01:37] Ally: ha ha.
[01:01:38] Keith: It's the only one I know of.
[01:01:38] Mike: But, you know, maybe the insulin will turn.
[01:01:40] Keith: I think we're certainly the only one of our size that does this. There might be some smaller ones out there.
[01:01:44] Mike: Oh, there might be like very small ones. Yeah, sure.
[01:01:47] Keith: Yeah.
[01:01:47] Mike: Um, but whatever. Yeah. She's a, she, I think she is sort of attractive though, isn't she?
[01:01:52] Keith: i ah I mean, we talked about this last episode.
[01:01:53] Mike: Like you would have sex with her.
[01:01:55] Keith: You really do like this sort of like, I don't know how to describe it, like skinny blonde look, um like like Hillary Clinton in 1992.
[01:02:01] Mike: Yeah.
[01:02:04] Ally: so
[01:02:05] Mike: There you go. She's attractive. Come on. She's attractive.
[01:02:08] Keith: I just don't see it.
[01:02:08] Mike: She's definitely attractive.
[01:02:09] Keith: But but if I liked Clinton in 92, I would definitely like Alex Cooper.
[01:02:10] Mike: That's crazy.
[01:02:14] Mike: Yeah. I mean, whatever, like you can't, I mean, she's, she's working the machine.
[01:02:18] Ally: Does she look like Hillary Clinton?
[01:02:19] Mike: She's, she's Hillary Clinton in 1992 and I get it.
[01:02:20] Ally: I'm looking up a picture now. yeah but
[01:02:23] Mike: I understand what he's saying. It's not, she looks a little like her. It's the blonde hair and stuff. It's just a Southern look.
[01:02:29] Ally: Okay.
[01:02:31] Mike: But the, yeah, I mean, this she this is what, this is what sells now is just sort of like,
[01:02:31] Ally: Okay.
[01:02:35] Mike: boring right down the middle stop. Maybe that's always been true.
[01:02:40] Keith: Wait, is this right? She jumped from Spotify to Sirius XM for 125 million? Okay, I can't do this. i'm I'm wrapping up the show.
[01:02:46] Ally: Wow.
[01:02:47] Keith: That'll do it for this episode of Your Mileage May Very.
[01:02:48] Mike: That's so little money.
[01:02:50] Keith: Yeah, that's right.
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Episode 183: Kamala Harris On Call Her Daddy, Dating Strategy Critiques, Female Anatomy Lessons, New Ways To Climax

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