Your Mileage May Vary: Listener Backlash, Hypnosis, Autofellatio Confessions, Real Talk on Peeing, Natural Conception Donors, Sex Drive Dilemmas

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[00:00:00] Keith: Hello, and welcome to Your Mileage May Vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial, but mostly in good faith. I'm Keith, my co-hosts are Ali and Mike. Hello, guys.
[00:00:11] Ally: hey
[00:00:11] Mike: Hello.
[00:00:12] Ally: Hey.
[00:00:13] Keith: ah Our listeners missed our half an hour debate about who's gonna win the election today. And I guess our listeners actually probably still won't know when we release this because I expect it to be close, right?
[00:00:26] Ally: I also expected to be close.
[00:00:26] Mike: Yeah, I mean, then it could be violence. Maybe our listeners won't be there anymore. We'll release this into a void after the war.
[00:00:32] Keith: Hmm.
[00:00:37] Keith: Yeah, that's wonderful. Okay. I think we didn't talk about sex and relationships enough last episode. So we're going to endeavor to do that.
[00:00:43] Mike: We got a whole email complaining about ah my politics in particular, and and to the guy who sent it, like just fuck off and stop listening.
[00:00:52] Mike: like Seriously, just don't listen. and You can send him the 10 bucks if you want, Keith, but like he can go fuck himself. like he's He's just annoying.
[00:00:57] Keith: Oh yeah.
[00:00:58] Mike: he's obviously like I looked him up. He's obviously like a far left progressive. His whole career is that. and it's like just like I'm not interested in arguing with you.
[00:01:03] Ally: Okay.
[00:01:06] Keith: Yeah, he was ah i don't I don't remember.
[00:01:06] Mike: Whatever.
[00:01:09] Keith: I mean, he did carefully write that email to his credit.
[00:01:12] Mike: He did. And umm he's probably listening and, you know, right.
[00:01:13] Keith: And I'll pay him. i I intend to pay him.
[00:01:15] Ally: ah
[00:01:16] Keith: if i if If he does listen and I haven't, then he can email us again.
[00:01:19] Mike: it's with When you get emails like that, yeah I just wonder like whether they're just trying to like soak our money. They're just like, well, if we, if we, if we ask for $10 often enough, then they'll stop publishing, you know, cause their real game is censorship, right?
[00:01:32] Ally: Right.
[00:01:32] Keith: They're trying to shut his tab.
[00:01:32] Mike: And telling me, telling me I'm stupid.
[00:01:35] Ally: Did he send any comments for me and or did he send a dick pic?
[00:01:39] Keith: Uh, no, no dick pic.
[00:01:39] Mike: Hang on.
[00:01:40] Ally: Nobody's ever sent me a dick pic.
[00:01:40] Mike: I'll check. I can double check that. Well, but Keith, why don't you know? He said you're a fun addition.
[00:01:44] Keith: Okay.
[00:01:45] Mike: You're a fun addition. But ah then you have to explain things to us because we usually me express complete ignorance of something.
[00:01:46] Ally: all Thank you.
[00:01:51] Mike: It's just dumb like this. This this person's. Let's see. um We want you to broaden your horizons, but we're opposed to trying new things. And also, I got we got a comment on YouTube from a guy who's like, look, man, I suck my own cock all the time.
[00:02:05] Mike: It's great. It's like that's not normal. He's like, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just an audio autofalation.
[00:02:11] Ally: You just wanted to advertise.
[00:02:14] Mike: I don't know. like he just Well, no, it's because, it's because we've expressed, or I at least have expressed skepticism of these various behaviors. And then these people crawl out of the holes they live in. It's like he's just sucking his own cock.
[00:02:26] Mike: He's got, he's got like, ah he's like the hunchback of Notre Dame now.
[00:02:30] Keith: Right, right.
[00:02:30] Mike: So he's got it.
[00:02:31] Keith: How dare we suggest that autofalacia was not typical.
[00:02:31] Mike: All right.
[00:02:34] Mike: Oh yeah. It's totally normal.
[00:02:34] Ally: um
[00:02:36] Keith: Yeah. um Okay, we were so, Ali, we don't have to say what what it was for, but you needed to do a drug test today, which involved peeing in a cup. And ah What happens, okay, so we're discussing how when women pee, it's not a a fine ah stream like it is with men.
[00:03:00] Keith: ah It can spray. So does the urethra just ends and in women and it ends before the the opening, right?
[00:03:09] Ally: Does it just end? um What do you mean? It doesn't end before the opening. like the The opening is the end.
[00:03:15] Mike: He means the opening of your vulva.
[00:03:15] Keith: No.
[00:03:15] Ally: it's just ah It's just another little hole down there. Oh, yeah, okay.
[00:03:17] Mike: He means your vulva.
[00:03:18] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[00:03:18] Mike: No.
[00:03:19] Ally: Right, yeah.
[00:03:21] Keith: so ah so it so So it ends before the opening in the vulva, and then it's just sort of, ah you need to pee so enough so enough so enough pressure is built up, and then that forces open the vulva, and then it just kind of sprays ah willy-nilly.
[00:03:21] Mike: Go ahead.
[00:03:29] Ally: It's just a little hole.
[00:03:37] Mike: He's saying when you're peeing normally in a toilet, like what what happens.
[00:03:40] Keith: Yeah.
[00:03:43] Ally: Uh, what happens?
[00:03:43] Mike: Like you spread your, do you spread anything with your hands or do you just like squat down there on the toilet?
[00:03:46] Ally: No, no, you just sit down and yeah, yeah.
[00:03:47] Mike: You just pee. And so it kind of does, it does kind of, it's, it's filtering out through your labia.
[00:03:53] Ally: Yeah.
[00:03:54] Mike: It's fair to say.
[00:03:54] Keith: Yeah.
[00:03:56] Mike: Okay. So there's a lot of labial urinary contact that happens when you pee.
[00:04:01] Keith: Yes.
[00:04:02] Ally: Yeah.
[00:04:03] Mike: Okay.
[00:04:04] Keith: That's awful.
[00:04:04] Mike: Does, do you, does it ever, so
[00:04:06] Keith: That's why women are tempted to wipe. Wipe.
[00:04:10] Mike: right
[00:04:10] Ally: are tempted to wipe.
[00:04:11] Mike: does it ever
[00:04:11] Ally: We do wipe. What do you mean?
[00:04:12] Mike: they white because there's a lot of
[00:04:12] Keith: No, I think some don't. I know some don't.
[00:04:15] Mike: Do you ever find that the the urinary stream is is angled in such a way that it tickles your clit?
[00:04:15] Ally: Oh.
[00:04:21] Keith: Hmm.
[00:04:22] Ally: No.
[00:04:23] Mike: So it never goes up that way. It's always kind of straight down.
[00:04:25] Ally: No, no. Yeah.
[00:04:28] Mike: can you tell like For example, could you tell whether it's filtering through your labia just through feeling versus like spreading them so it's just squirting straight down?
[00:04:28] Keith: Huh.
[00:04:37] Mike: Is that a difference that you could detect?
[00:04:38] Ally: ah Yeah. Yeah.
[00:04:39] Keith: Could you pull them open to to stop it from sloshing around?
[00:04:39] Mike: which
[00:04:40] Ally: it's warm like the stream is yes you could pull them you have it like the the urine itself is warm see that's how you can feel it i guess squirting out um
[00:04:43] Mike: It's warm. So you see your experience of peeing is is is warm labia.
[00:04:51] Mike: I understand. Right. Um, which do you prefer?
[00:04:53] Keith: Yeah.
[00:04:54] Mike: Do you prefer it filtering through your labia or do you prefer the feeling of having it fully open? So just squirting out like a squirt gun, which you don't go to any effort to cause that to happen.
[00:05:08] Mike: When you pee, you just let it filter through.
[00:05:12] Ally: Yeah.
[00:05:12] Keith: I think that's outside risk as you pee on your hand. If like if you get down there to like pull apart your labia so the urethra is exposed to the air, you run the risk of pee particles hitting your hand.
[00:05:24] Ally: Well, also, like, I'd rather not, you know, like, get my hands that dirty, I guess, like, by touching, like, you know, I mean, like, I wash my hands after I pee, but, like, really, I'm thinking, like, okay, I didn't really, you know, like, the dirtiest thing I touched was, like, the bathroom door handle or whatever, like, the
[00:05:31] Keith: I see.
[00:05:39] Ally: toilet itself. like I don't also want to like stick my hands up inside, even if I'm just going to the bathroom.
[00:05:45] Mike: So you consider your labia to be dirty.
[00:05:50] Ally: they Yeah, I mean, there are like sweat glands there. like It's a different, I don't know what you call it, like it's a different microenvironment of bacteria and whatever than my face, for example.
[00:05:54] Mike: Hmm.
[00:06:02] Keith: would Would it be better or worse than touching your armpit?
[00:06:03] Ally: you know
[00:06:06] Mike: Hmm.
[00:06:09] Keith: Similar?
[00:06:11] Ally: Similar, yeah.
[00:06:12] Keith: Yeah, okay. Yeah, I would want to wash my hands if I, like, you know, dragged my hand across my armpit after a long day.
[00:06:13] Mike: And you don't eat.
[00:06:18] Mike: There's a, there's a comedian who a male comedian who talks about how, um, it's a joke, but maybe not totally a joke. The idea of washing your hands before you pee, because he's like, look, I want my hands to be clean when I touch my cock.
[00:06:31] Keith: Mm-hmm.
[00:06:31] Ally: Well, sure.
[00:06:31] Mike: You know, I want to show proper deference to my penis.
[00:06:32] Ally: I mean, yeah, there's no harm in washing your hands before you pee, you know.
[00:06:35] Mike: Sure. But you know, I mean, most men don't wash their hands after they pee.
[00:06:36] Keith: Time.
[00:06:40] Mike: For starters, it's possible as a man, it's
[00:06:41] Ally: I'm sure, yeah.
[00:06:41] Keith: or before Or before.
[00:06:43] Mike: Yeah, it's absolutely possible as a man to pee without touching your penis at all.
[00:06:47] Keith: Yes.
[00:06:47] Mike: Like with, so you simply unzip and you kind of shake it loose through your, you know, and and you just pee.
[00:06:47] Ally: Yeah, that makes sense.
[00:06:52] Ally: Yeah.
[00:06:53] Mike: Um, and secondly, like we don't, I think men broadly don't view our penis as dirty in the way that you just described for your, your vulva.
[00:06:58] Ally: Ah, okay.
[00:07:02] Ally: I would view it as dirty in the same way as the Volva, yeah.
[00:07:04] Mike: Interesting.
[00:07:06] Keith: I don't think I would, like if like if I touched my penis, I don't feel compelled to go wash my hands.
[00:07:06] Mike: The penis you would.
[00:07:14] Ally: Hmm. Okay.
[00:07:16] Keith: I mean, I know.
[00:07:16] Mike: Is there any, you know,
[00:07:16] Ally: I mean, I know that nobody washes their hands. Like you got to eat with a group of people. Like nobody goes to the bathroom, washes their hands before they eat, even if they know they're going to eat with their hands. Like it's just.
[00:07:24] Keith: i thought i've been I've dated people who do and it's kind of annoying. They're like, oh, I have to go wash my hands. I'm like, oh, OK. So do I wait to you know start my drink?
[00:07:34] Keith: Or what what if the appetizer comes while you're gone? like What do we even do? It's annoying. But I appreciate that that's probably the proper thing to do.
[00:07:40] Mike: I think we've established, Ali, we've established that you wash your hands after masturbating, right?
[00:07:43] Ally: Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah.
[00:07:48] Mike: Okay. And men don't even do that. So men will frequently just have semen encrusted on their hand and just leave.
[00:07:54] Keith: I ah usually wash my hands after masturbating.
[00:07:54] Ally: I'm sure, yeah.
[00:07:59] Mike: Hmm.
[00:08:00] Keith: Or at least before leaving the house after masturbating.
[00:08:00] Mike: Hmm.
[00:08:03] Mike: Interesting.
[00:08:04] Keith: Yeah.
[00:08:05] Mike: I think that's like 30% likely to be true.
[00:08:05] Keith: Um.
[00:08:09] Keith: Maybe I'm just wrote you signaling.
[00:08:11] Mike: So yeah well just one more quick thing on this. um As far as you know, Ali, there's no difference in procedure for a woman to pee in a cup versus a man.
[00:08:13] Keith: Yeah.
[00:08:17] Mike: For a man, they just give you a cup, then you unscrew it, and then you're supposed to pee in it. They they do the same thing for a woman. There's no like device.
[00:08:22] Ally: Yeah, no.
[00:08:23] Mike: Okay, interesting. And in that, so it's actually kind of difficult, right? two
[00:08:28] Ally: um Yeah, because like when you're starting, you want to like start by just like letting out a very tiny bit so that you kind of get a sense of like where it's coming from.
[00:08:30] Mike: Oh.
[00:08:34] Ally: But then that also, like it's not laminar flow and it's just a tiny bit, so you may be like slightly off.
[00:08:36] Mike: wow
[00:08:40] Ally: So yeah, I think it's pretty common to like get pee on your hand or on the side of the cup or something.
[00:08:41] Mike: That's awful. So you don't know where you're, you don't have any like proprioception about where your pee comes out kind of.
[00:08:44] Ally: like
[00:08:48] Mike: It's just, there's just an area and it could be anywhere.
[00:08:50] Ally: No, I mean, there's a general sense, but yeah, like if the if the cup is, you know, a small enough aperture, like, yeah, you kind of have to and do some trial and error.
[00:08:54] Mike: How do you live? How do you live like that?
[00:08:59] Ally: You seem to be pretty grossed out by the idea of my pee on my hand, so.
[00:09:03] Mike: No, I just don't like the idea of not, no, no, it's not. It's the disability implies where you don't know or can't control where it comes out of your body.
[00:09:09] Ally: Okay.
[00:09:10] Mike: Like I can, like, yeah, I mean the things I can do with my urine are just wonderful. It's just so great how I can precisely control it.
[00:09:17] Ally: I'm sure, yeah.
[00:09:18] Mike: It's like a drill. It could be used as a screwdriver, et cetera. Yeah.
[00:09:22] Ally: Yeah, it's like a water pick.
[00:09:23] Mike: All right.
[00:09:25] Keith: It's better.
[00:09:26] Mike: It's better.
[00:09:27] Keith: Yeah, it's just better. um All right, this guy named ah Gideon Rockman, or rachel R-A-C-H-M-A-N, he's the chief foreign affairs commentator for the Financial Times.
[00:09:36] Mike: Huh.
[00:09:36] Keith: ah He tweeted today, a usually reliable source tells me that the North Korean soldiers who have deployed to Russia have never had unfettered access to the internet before.
[00:09:43] Mike: Hmm.
[00:09:45] Keith: As a result, they are gorging on pornography.
[00:09:50] Keith: Um, can you imagine, you know, being a 22, 23 year old man, uh, and suddenly having access to internet porn for the first time, like it really would be, and you know, they have Starlink probably, oh, wait, they don't have Starlink in Russia. Didn't, didn't Elon turn Starlink off in Russia?
[00:10:09] Mike: I don't know. He likes to do both sides, but I know he's down in Mar-a-Lago right now. Maybe they'll shut it off if America becomes great again.
[00:10:13] Keith: Yes.
[00:10:16] Keith: maybe
[00:10:20] Keith: But, uh, yeah, I mean, I can imagine that being like, that would, you can imagine being like hard to get the troops to do anything because they're, they're just basically in heaven for a few days as they like re acclimatize to that new normal.
[00:10:34] Mike: For starters, just the notion that all the women don't look exactly the same.
[00:10:39] Keith: ripe Right.
[00:10:40] Ally: yeah
[00:10:41] Keith: Right.
[00:10:41] Mike: I mean, they all look the same to me. I don't, maybe the, I'm sure there's slight differences, so forth, but like, I mean, there's so much variety, put it that way, put it more positive. There's so much variety. You just like, whoa, look look at this.
[00:10:52] Mike: And they're not all malnourished.
[00:10:54] Keith: Do they even have something like, do they even have something like, uh, cosmopolitan in North Korea?
[00:10:54] Mike: Whoa.
[00:10:59] Keith: Like, is there some vaguely sexy magazine?
[00:11:05] Mike: I don't know.
[00:11:05] Ally: I don't know.
[00:11:05] Keith: But can, can they even get a Lands End catalog?
[00:11:06] Ally: I don't think so.
[00:11:06] Mike: I find,
[00:11:07] Keith: Like, what do they, what do they have?
[00:11:10] Mike: Those lady policemen, they have because they don't have electricity or streetlights. So they they like, and you know, they're these women and there were they were very sharp outfits and I find them pretty sexy.
[00:11:14] Keith: Right.
[00:11:19] Ally: They have electricity.
[00:11:19] Mike: So.
[00:11:22] Mike: They don't they don't have streetlights. So they have these women that stand in the middle of intersections like in a cartoon from like the 1920s, you know, directing the cars.
[00:11:32] Mike: Of course, there's only like four cars. So it's like it's not that hard of a job. Uh, this is actually true. You can find pictures of them and they do, it is, they're young women and it's for certain fetish.
[00:11:40] Ally: Maybe in like rural areas, i there's there are plenty of
[00:11:48] Mike: No, no, I'm talking in the middle of Pyongyang.
[00:11:49] Ally: cars in the cities. They have cars.
[00:11:51] Mike: I don't know. I mean, no, I was kidding about only having four cars, but they don't have too many. It's a lightly card society. And I am talking about like the Pyongyang.
[00:12:03] Mike: It's like a well-known thing. Keith, you know what I'm talking about, right? That are these chicks who dress up.
[00:12:07] Keith: Yeah, although ah I, so I was obsessed with trying to go to North Korea in the aughts and I was kind of thinking about going and I read a few blogs about it and that's where I'd write about the women in the ah street intersections.
[00:12:20] Keith: But I haven't read much about North Korea in the last 10 years.
[00:12:21] Mike: Yeah.
[00:12:24] Keith: It hasn't been possible for Americans to go since the Obama administration. And so I don't know, I don't, I haven't seen like any travel blogs or anything about what North Korea is like now.
[00:12:41] Keith: It's fallen off my radar. I'm not sure if they're still doing that or not.
[00:12:45] Mike: There's a site called, I just passed you guys called Pyongyang traffic girls.com that shows the What I'm talking about here, I had to close it quickly because it was playing. um I can't remember the name of that song.
[00:12:58] Mike: It was playing a song. so It was noisy. Anyway, people can check that out.
[00:13:01] Keith: All let's move on.
[00:13:02] Mike: Yeah. I mean, I think these guys probably went crazy with the porn, you know, a lot of beating off a lot of even.
[00:13:03] Keith: um
[00:13:05] Keith: Yeah, I just, it's really hard for me to even begin to relate to what that experience must be like to like so go from just i like, I feel like i've I've over the course of my life, you know, sort of gotten used to having porn around and it probably causes issues in my life. I wish there was less, but for these guys, just like suddenly having this like avalanche of porn available must be really affecting.
[00:13:35] Mike: Right. Definitely.
[00:13:37] Keith: um Yeah, good luck getting them to go fight for the dawn boss or whatever it is, right?
[00:13:41] Ally: To go back.
[00:13:43] Mike: I'll probably try to surrender.
[00:13:43] Keith: Yeah.
[00:13:43] Ally: Yeah.
[00:13:44] Mike: They'll try to surrender to the West. That's what I would do. I would try to, yeah, I mean, the whole thing would just be like, how do I get to, how do I get to the other side? This is a problem that the, uh, well, this is a problem generally these repressive regimes have.
[00:13:54] Keith: Yeah, they must have been fenced in somehow.
[00:13:57] Keith: Right.
[00:13:58] Mike: Yeah.
[00:13:58] Keith: um You sent me that article about, what do they call it? Intentional sperm donors? No.
[00:14:06] Mike: Yeah. So this is, this is, um, men, women. So for various reasons, um, and this might relate to you, Allie.
[00:14:09] Ally: Mm hmm.
[00:14:14] Mike: No, you don't want kids. I'm kidding. But women want, uh, women who want to have a kid, maybe when they're single or I guess it could be in a coupled situation, you know, you can get, um,
[00:14:27] Mike: You can have sperm placed inside you in a medical setting, but there is some perspective that maybe women become pregnant more readily. And maybe there's some like health differences, although, I mean, probably not, but maybe if you actually have sex, have intercourse with the guy. And so there are these guys who are in their yeah early twenties, they have like good resumes, et cetera, who impregnate women, but they do it the old fashioned way.
[00:14:49] Mike: And they're not, they're not paid for their service. But the thing that I was trying to ideate around is like, what? So they, they have to fuck, right? Maybe multiple times.
[00:14:57] Keith: Yes.
[00:14:59] Mike: What is that sex like? Like what? Like Ali, if you were going to do this, you're a woman so you can imagine it. Like what? I actually don't know the answer. First of all, what position do they likely use?
[00:15:11] Keith: The article didn't go into this at all, and that would have been fascinating if it did, but yeah.
[00:15:11] Mike: And what? Right. And what rules?
[00:15:13] Ally: Mm hmm.
[00:15:15] Mike: Right. What rules is, the I mean, the man, I assume just wants to have a great orgasm, like whatever he's. So the man maybe wants it to last kind of long. He wants the chick to be like totally naked and like horny for him and stuff. But like, that I'm sure that's not what she's going to allow for. Could you, do you have any insight Ali into what a woman is likely to get to like, first off missionary versus doggy or something else? Like.
[00:15:37] Ally: Yeah. I mean, I would guess missionary just because like in popular culture when you see a scene where it's like somebody wants to conceive they like, you know, they're on their back and they're like holding their legs up in the air, right? To like provide some kind of gravity ingredient, like as gravity assistance.
[00:15:51] Ally: Do you know what I mean? Like if you, um, if anything, I would say like it doesn't matter because there are fluids and, um, there's like mucus that the sperm has to travel through that you're not really affecting.
[00:15:52] Mike: Is there data behind that? Probably not, right? Like, I mean, yeah.
[00:16:07] Ally: via gravity because like the Reynolds number is low enough that your position does not affect the gravitational gradient or whatever through there.
[00:16:15] Mike: Yeah. And for, for all of those who are all of our stupid listeners who don't know this, what is a Reynolds number, Ali?
[00:16:17] Ally: um
[00:16:21] Mike: I mean, I have obviously know, but.
[00:16:24] Ally: it's a It's a measure of like when when you're at low Reynolds number, you're talking about like a very, very small particle organism, whatever, like moving through an environment like usually a fluid.
[00:16:36] Ally: So it's it's a measure of like how much kind of environmental effects like how much friction and so on like something is experiencing as they travel through a medium.
[00:16:43] Mike: Okay. Okay.
[00:16:44] Ally: So when you're talking about the movement of like sperm or E. coli or something that's occurring at very low Reynolds number because it's so small.
[00:16:51] Keith: i
[00:16:51] Mike: Okay. Okay.
[00:16:51] Ally: ah That when it flows through like water or Yeah, from data or just from like
[00:16:52] Mike: So okay so they here are the relevant.
[00:16:54] Keith: my
[00:16:55] Mike: Go ahead. Sorry.
[00:16:56] Keith: My intuition is that position matters.
[00:17:00] Mike: Oh.
[00:17:02] Ally: thinking about it.
[00:17:02] Keith: No, no, just from just from thinking about it. Like I would imagine that a woman being on top is less likely to get them pregnant than missionary or doggy style.
[00:17:06] Ally: ah
[00:17:15] Keith: My guess would be that mission missionary is the most likely.
[00:17:16] Ally: I would
[00:17:20] Keith: doggy-style second most likely and on top.
[00:17:20] Ally: think that's also the most common just because it's like, yeah, most like societally acceptable and like, if they're, yeah.
[00:17:25] Mike: my guess is doggy style is the most likely. and my reasoning is that um And my reasoning is that the uterus is isn't positioned in the body in the most in the way that you probably find the most intuitive.
[00:17:39] Keith: Okay, that may be...
[00:17:39] Mike: And and secondly, um the, uh, that's the reproductive system used by all other animals, including humans and, you know, until some, not that long ago.
[00:17:49] Keith: Not true.
[00:17:51] Ally: Hmm.
[00:17:51] Mike: And so I suspect, but, but I'd be willing to concede that they're close and maybe missionary slightly better. I think that my thought Allie was that the women in this situation would be thinking more about their emotional needs and psychological needs around this act than about what would maximize, because I'm guessing that, yeah, let's concede that woman on top is probably not great.
[00:18:02] Keith: Yeah.
[00:18:03] Ally: Hmm.
[00:18:09] Mike: It's, it's um my, my first thought was it's definitely going to be doggy or missionary. Okay. Or side, some sort of side position. And so then it's like, so I was sort of imagining like maybe the woman would want like to be doggy, but actually have like a sheet draped between her and the guy.
[00:18:17] Ally: Yeah.
[00:18:25] Mike: So it's like, it's just totally, there's no, uh, emotional attachment.
[00:18:28] Ally: Oh, I see. So you think the emotional need is like to not see the person, like to not be face to face.
[00:18:32] Mike: I don't know. This is what I'm trying to, I'm trying to understand from you as a woman, like what you, what would your needs be in that situation?
[00:18:37] Ally: Well, in this scenario, like who is the person who's providing the sample?
[00:18:38] Mike: what would
[00:18:42] Ally: Is it like someone known to them or is it just like ah like a Craigslist stranger?
[00:18:44] Keith: No.
[00:18:45] Mike: someone they find on the internet, but it's not a Craigslist stranger.
[00:18:46] Ally: like
[00:18:47] Keith: Yikes.
[00:18:47] Mike: It's someone who's well vetted and and signed up for the surface. So it's somebody that like they want, but that being said, they don't know them.
[00:18:51] Keith: Yeah.
[00:18:55] Mike: Him.
[00:18:55] Ally: Yeah.
[00:18:55] Mike: They don't know him. And he's going to be coming in you.
[00:18:57] Ally: Okay. So you think like,
[00:18:59] Mike: He's going to become, I mean, he's going to have a good orgasm. Like he's going to fucking, hes kind he's fucking you. So it's like, do you want to see his face when he comes or do you want to not see his face? This is the choice you got to make.
[00:19:09] Ally: um Yeah, I mean, I guess it would depend on whether you find him attractive when you like first meet him or whatever. He shows up to your door. Maybe you kind of make a split second decision.
[00:19:19] Mike: You would make an audible. Okay. Would you want dirty, eat dirty talk?
[00:19:21] Ally: Yeah, I guess.
[00:19:25] Ally: No, I think that has the potential to go very wrong.
[00:19:28] Mike: Okay. So I see I, this is why I think doggies more likely because then you can just say, look, I'm not, we're not going to look at each other. I'm just going to be basically a piece of meat that you're fucking and we're going to, would you, how will how long would you want it to last as long as possible?
[00:19:39] Ally: Hmm.
[00:19:40] Mike: As short as possible? Like.
[00:19:42] Ally: No, I think a short. Well, I mean, again, I guess it depends like if you're attracted to him in the moment, maybe you want it to last longer. But I'm assuming that you're not attracted to him and so you want it to be as quick as possible.
[00:19:51] Mike: Okay, and would you wanna be pre-aroused or just use lube?
[00:19:52] Ally: does
[00:19:54] Mike: Go ahead, we're gonna say something else too.
[00:19:55] Ally: Oh, um, you probably don't want to use lube because I would imagine that like, your, you know, natural lubrication is going to be best for like sperm survival.
[00:20:03] Mike: So you have to be aroused.
[00:20:06] Ally: Yeah.
[00:20:07] Mike: Okay, so you might wanna read a romance novel first or something, like whatever gets you in the mood.
[00:20:13] Ally: Yeah, or like masturbate first. In the scenario that you were reading about, is it like straight couples who do this or lesbian couples?
[00:20:22] Mike: I mean, I think the women are typically, I mean, it's hard to know because they're not partnered. um Do you think it makes a difference? So if it was a lesbian, do you think there'd be a different protocol that she'd want?
[00:20:33] Ally: Well, I think she'd be less likely to want to look at the man or to have like an emotional experience right because like there's no way that she's going to be attracted to him.
[00:20:40] Mike: But isn't like the emotionally the counter argument I thought of was like, OK, but like having your ass in the air and like your say your chest on the bed or on the ground, or I don't even know if they would do it on a bed.
[00:20:50] Mike: This is another thing that's so like so submissive.
[00:20:51] Keith: Yeah.
[00:20:56] Mike: And maybe the woman wouldn't like that, that like she's submitting like it's so like this guy is just dominating her, and which to me is pretty hot, like the idea of just showing up and studying someone. I have to say that.
[00:21:07] Mike: I regret having a vasectomy when I think about this, but yeah.
[00:21:08] Ally: but they right When they do artificial insemination in a doctor's office, do they try to get it through the cervix or do they just put it in the cervix?
[00:21:19] Ally: Where do they actually like place the...
[00:21:19] Mike: I don't know.
[00:21:20] Ally: Okay, I don't know either.
[00:21:21] Mike: So I was curious about that and I found some pictures. and but It's actually a little bit difficult to get too detailed because it is basically porn. There is this ah South American quote unquote doctor on YouTube who does these things, but I think it's just porn and they're like pretending it's medical to get it on YouTube.
[00:21:37] Mike: So I did see that too.
[00:21:38] Ally: Hmm.
[00:21:39] Mike: it It looked to me like it's placed inside the vagina, but not like, no, they don't like actually like located like in the cervix directly.
[00:21:47] Ally: They don't like open the cervix. Okay.
[00:21:50] Mike: but but you know but you could imagine that helping you can also imagine it hurting like maybe it would
[00:21:52] Keith: what position What position was the woman in when he inserts this device?
[00:22:00] Mike: in the In the pictures I saw as well as the video, it was a woman on like a gynecology chair, right? So she has like, she's sort of in the position, a woman, yeah, exactly.
[00:22:08] Keith: Stirrups.
[00:22:09] Ally: A
[00:22:10] Mike: She's in the position a woman would be in when she's getting a, what do you call that?
[00:22:14] Ally: pap smear.
[00:22:14] Mike: oh Yeah, that kind of deal. I was just going to say like a checkup, a checkup, whatever.
[00:22:19] Ally: Yeah.
[00:22:21] Mike: um So yeah, there's like a lot of unknown, like I don't, and it probably is individual, right? What the woman selects for here.
[00:22:28] Ally: I guess.
[00:22:30] Mike: So there was another topic, Keith, that's go ahead.
[00:22:33] Ally: Oh, well I mean, like, I guess the benefit to doing it in a doctor's office, and I don't know if they actually do this, but like you could greatly increase the volume or the like number of sperm that you're putting in, right? Like if normally they're, I don't even know, like a hundred thousand sperm or something, like you could just like greatly increase the number that you're putting in because you are, how like you're preparing a sample, you know, like in a clinical lab and then inserting it. So maybe that works better.
[00:23:00] Mike: I saw this video once where a woman, actually I've seen several of these, where a woman had like 10 guys fuck her. And the premise of it was a porn. The premise was she didn't, she didn't know which guy was going to impregnate her. And I think the volume just from my, I mean, I was, you know, I was mostly beating off, but the, the volume of semen that was placed inside of her seemed to be overflowing her. Her cup run, run ranneth over.
[00:23:26] Ally: yeah
[00:23:28] Mike: So I don't know, if I think, I think I'm going to challenge your your assessment there, Ali, and say that I think that a woman could, I think a woman could close to get unlimited semen in her vagina if she was determined in a nonclinical setting.
[00:23:28] Keith: ah
[00:23:43] Ally: Oh, sure, but I'm saying wouldn't that like increase the chances?
[00:23:48] Mike: If you have an overflowing vagina.
[00:23:48] Keith: I don't know.
[00:23:50] Mike: Yeah.
[00:23:50] Keith: I don't think so. I don't think it's the volume of semen that matters. I think it's the virility. I think if it's if it's the right virility, you know, it's it's above some bar and it's the right, you know, 10 hours during the month when you're fertile, um it happens.
[00:23:56] Mike: That's too bad. and
[00:24:11] Ally: Yeah. mean
[00:24:12] Keith: And I'm not sure that 10xing the volume would materially change those odds. I do think that the angle and depth might matter.
[00:24:17] Mike: So if you.
[00:24:20] Keith: That's why I think position might matter.
[00:24:22] Mike: Well, but if you if your vagina was completely full.
[00:24:22] Keith: but
[00:24:23] Ally: Yeah, I think if you're able to get it through the cervix, that would help. like
[00:24:26] Keith: Maybe.
[00:24:27] Mike: Well, with the concern I'd have about getting about opening the cervix or messing with that is that that might like trigger the body to like abort whatever, you want it to operate in the in the...
[00:24:27] Keith: maybe
[00:24:37] Mike: No, seriously, you want it to operate in the most natural way to sort of avoid your body like thinking there's an invader present or something. I imagine that like they don't there's some balancing act right between triggering, ah between optimizing the odds of fertilization, but not causing like rejection.
[00:24:52] Ally: oh
[00:24:59] Ally: So like when you get a pap smear, they stabilize the cervix and like scrape it and so on.
[00:24:59] Mike: No.
[00:25:05] Ally: And like that doesn't cause miscarriage or like spontaneous abortion or anything. Like it's always like a little bit open.
[00:25:10] Mike: They don't open it though.
[00:25:13] Ally: Like you could stick something in it and like, I don't know.
[00:25:15] Keith: No.
[00:25:17] Mike: I don't think that's, that's, I don't, I think it depends on where you are in your monthly cycle and like the, ah certainly when you're pregnant, there's like a plug in there.
[00:25:23] Ally: Yeah, it does open more during.
[00:25:25] Mike: Yeah.
[00:25:26] Ally: Yeah. Yeah. That's actually how you detect whether mice have been impregnated as you look for the plug.
[00:25:27] Mike: Yeah.
[00:25:32] Mike: I thought, I 100% thought you were going to say whether mice have been in your vagina. i I was certain, I was like, holy shit, what am I going to hear about now?
[00:25:41] Ally: um that would be amazing
[00:25:43] Mike: That's what I thought was coming next. i' like and my My mental LLM finished that sentence very oddly. so So Keith, there was one other topic there that naturally segues out of this, which is, you want to say something else?
[00:25:53] Keith: Oh, okay. Thankfully. No.
[00:25:56] Mike: Okay. Yeah. So I ah have been encountering, and I thought Allie might have insight into this also. Keith might as well. I mean, more and more women who are viewing ah basically having fatherless children as an option, uh, meaning like, yeah, just, just like, I'm not going to have a partner. Like these these aren't couples where they can't conceive. These are women who are like in their late thirties who are just like, fuck it. I want to have kids. I'm going to have kids without fathers. And I'm just going to like, that's going to be my family plan. And the reason I bring this up is like, I, the impression I got him from talking to people and doing some research is like, this could be like a meaningful percentage of people in your generation. How are you doing this? Like, do you know people doing this?
[00:26:39] Ally: No, but would they? I don't know. Would they be in my social circle?
[00:26:43] Mike: I wouldn't tell you.
[00:26:45] Ally: No, I mean, like I guess it would be hard to to hide that they were having a kid.
[00:26:52] Mike: That's true.
[00:26:52] Ally: um
[00:26:53] Mike: Okay. So you don't think you have free in your life, in your sphere. That is not, this is not a thing that's going on. Women are still, if they want children pursuing men, men are still relevant.
[00:27:04] Ally: Yeah, of my friends who've had kids, which is admittedly like not a huge number, but like they're all partnered. so I don't know anyone who's done this, I don't think.
[00:27:10] Mike: I see. I see.
[00:27:13] Keith: Do you guys think it's rational to want to raise a child with a man as opposed to a woman?
[00:27:18] Ally: As opposed to with a woman?
[00:27:20] Keith: Yeah.
[00:27:21] Mike: You mean by yourself or with another woman?
[00:27:22] Ally: um
[00:27:23] Keith: I mean, I guess the three choices are by yourself with another woman, with another man. And my expectation would be that another woman would carry much more of the child-rearing duties than another man would.
[00:27:29] Mike: Right.
[00:27:38] Ally: Yeah, I think that would be the best scenario.
[00:27:42] Keith: right so um I mean, I have seen ah situations where people are looking for a co-parent that they don't plan on being romantic with, which I think is sort of strange. But if you were going to do that, why not choose another woman?
[00:28:00] Mike: Wait, how does, how does that, so they, have they had the kid yet or they haven't yet and they want, they're like, I want you to be the co-parent, but I, but someone else is going to, going to fuck me in the doggy style or whatever and have 10 guys cream me until I get pregnant. Like that's what they're saying.
[00:28:15] Keith: I mean, I think there are different arrangements, but that might be one. yeah
[00:28:19] Mike: Why is that? I mean, I could understand if the guy has some genetically transmissible disease or something, but like other than that, why would the guy, if I was going to raise a kid, I'd rather be genetically mine. And that's no picnic either.
[00:28:31] Mike: Let me tell you, but like, why would a guy agree to that?
[00:28:35] Ally: Yeah, I think there's some danger too, if you're inviting, if you're inviting a man to be your co-parent with a child that's not genetically his, I think that has much more potential downside because he has no, yeah, just like no genetic affinity for the kid and like men are more likely to be pedophiles, they're more likely to be violent.
[00:28:53] Mike: Hmm So what's the rationale?
[00:28:54] Ally: like I think it has a lot more potential to be negative than another woman where like, yes, she's not genetically related to it either, but like women are nicer in that way.
[00:29:02] Keith: Are men really pedophiles that often?
[00:29:02] Ally: you know
[00:29:05] Keith: Is that like a material risk?
[00:29:06] Ally: Well, I don't know if they are that often, but more so than women, right?
[00:29:06] Mike: Oh, yeah, I think That
[00:29:07] Keith: Jesus.
[00:29:11] Ally: like
[00:29:11] Keith: For sure, for sure. ah yeah Like basically infinitely more so. um Or brown's rounds to infinity.
[00:29:15] Mike: I mean, this is there like, it needs to be said that like the step parent porn, there's, I mean, it's a fetish and so forth, but I mean, it exists for a reason.
[00:29:23] Keith: Yeah, but yes if you
[00:29:24] Mike: I mean, guys, it's a way to fuck a 15 year old girl.
[00:29:27] Keith: If you enter the picture when you know your partner's child is in their teens, that's one thing. But if if you co-parent from the time it's an infant, I would expect, and maybe this is not the right expectation, that men would be able to control themselves.
[00:29:34] Mike: Yeah.
[00:29:44] Mike: I can say this, uh, I have two nieces that I've known, uh, my wife's so that I'm not genetically related to them, wife's, uh, family.
[00:29:50] Keith: Oh, no.
[00:29:52] Mike: And no, this is going to end nicely.
[00:29:54] Keith: Okay, good.
[00:29:54] Mike: Uh, I've known them. So I've known them both since they were babies and I have in their, like in their twenties now, zero attraction, none zero. Like I'm not, they don't, I don't think of them sexually at all. So I, and there is like, I think research behind this.
[00:30:05] Keith: So yeah, that would be my expectation.
[00:30:08] Mike: Yeah, it totally, totally destroys it.
[00:30:09] Keith: but But yeah, I mean, I guess expectation is not enough. Like if there's a 10% chance that your co-parent's going to rape your child, like that's not you know but not enough.
[00:30:14] Mike: yeah Yeah, fair.
[00:30:17] Mike: Oh, well, I mean, I I I believe I've read repeatedly that stepdads like are a huge risk for daughters.
[00:30:25] Keith: Man, that's awful.
[00:30:26] Mike: You know, but yeah.
[00:30:26] Ally: Yeah, I'm sure that's true. And also like, who is the kind of person who's volunteering for this situation? And is that kind of person more likely to be weird?
[00:30:34] Keith: Oh, no. Yeah, maybe.
[00:30:35] Ally: Because like, maybe they're looking for the situation to be weird about it. like
[00:30:38] Mike: Hmm. I thought you were going to say, like, why would anyone have a kid? They should just have cats. That was where I thought you were going, Ali.
[00:30:44] Ally: Well, that's my personal belief, which is correct and true, but yeah.
[00:30:45] Keith: Okay, JD Vance.
[00:30:48] Mike: You know, the problem with cats and I think you'll be with me on Ali is their vaginas are just too small.
[00:30:53] Ally: They are pretty small, yeah.
[00:30:54] Mike: You can't, you can't get any pleasure out of that thing.
[00:30:58] Keith: Don't cats have internal sex organs?
[00:31:00] Mike: I don't know. No, they have a penis. I mean, an external penis for sure.
[00:31:04] Keith: Do they?
[00:31:04] Mike: And balls.
[00:31:04] Keith: i I didn't, I thought you can't tell the difference between, ah I don't think I've ever really tried to tell the difference between a male male and female cat.
[00:31:05] Mike: I've seen a cat with big nuts.
[00:31:07] Ally: They definitely have balls, yeah.
[00:31:13] Mike: And you can tell the the boys have a penis, a pee pee.
[00:31:17] Keith: Okay.
[00:31:17] Mike: Yeah.
[00:31:19] Keith: All right. This person says they're 39 and they had the best sex of their life with their wife.
[00:31:24] Mike: Mmm.
[00:31:25] Keith: ah It's weird that I write this, but on Saturday night, I had the best sex ever with my wife and it's gotten me nervous on how to repeat it. For context, I'm with my wife since we were 17 and we have a fine sex life.
[00:31:36] Keith: Sometimes we go through dry spells, other times we have sex quite often. Things change naturally after all these years. so Anyway, we were going through a dry spell the last few months, having sex once or twice a month, but we got frisky when we laid on the bed on sunday and Saturday. We didn't do anything different than usual. I got her close with my fingers. She asked me to go inside of her. I did, and after a few thrusts, I felt like I was about to orgasm, so I pulled out to prolong it a little bit.
[00:31:59] Keith: But she was very close and asked me to continue. So after a few seconds I did, and then it happened. I didn't orgasm. Usually I last something between two to 10 minutes. When I was younger, I could keep going without any refraction period, but this is not happening anymore.
[00:32:12] Keith: It's not a problem for us. We enjoy sex." That says him. We enjoy sex and she orgasms almost every time.
[00:32:15] Ally: Um.
[00:32:17] Keith: Again, says him. ah when i When I don't want to finish, I pull out for a little bit to cool down, but this breaks our enjoyment. Or other times I pull myself from the moment and try to think of unrelated stuff like work to prolong it. But not this time.
[00:32:30] Keith: Almost done here. This time I was fully there, mind and body, and I didn't pull out for almost an hour. We were both amazed and enjoyed it very much. She had four orgasms, the most she's ever had in a row. We changed positions many times.
[00:32:40] Mike: Now right.
[00:32:42] Keith: We alternated between slow, passionate, and and sweet talking to hard, rough, and dirty talking. We even laughed at disbelief on the situation. But it was feeling like I was close to orgasm, but it wouldn't unless I wanted to.
[00:32:53] Keith: And I didn't want to as we were having so much fun. And I decided to finish when we heard our son rolling in his bed and I thought he might get up. Anyway, we spend the whole so Sunday giggling at each other, and now I'm wondering how the fuck I can match that performance again. Any advice?
[00:33:07] Mike: So he's just bragging.
[00:33:09] Keith: ah
[00:33:10] Ally: Yeah, like why post this? I mean, it sounds like maybe he like took ecstasy for the first time or something. That would be my recommendation to experience this again.
[00:33:17] Keith: hu ah i don't
[00:33:20] Mike: I don't, uh, go ahead Keith.
[00:33:23] Keith: I don't, this doesn't sound, none of this sounds plausible. So that he lasts two to 10 minutes probably means you know, between 30 seconds and two minutes, ah that she always orgasms, seems unlikely.
[00:33:39] Mike: Yeah.
[00:33:42] Keith: um I do believe that they had an anomalous sexual encounter here, but I don't really understand, like he says they've been together since they were 17 and he's 39, so 22 years. And like, I don't, how,
[00:34:02] Keith: How could it be this anomalous?
[00:34:03] Ally: Wow.
[00:34:04] Keith: Maybe you're right, maybe it was drugs, I don't know.
[00:34:06] Mike: this, I just, I think at this point in my life, I become viscerally enraged by men that are sort of counting the PIV orgasms of their partner. Like it's so stupid. Like this is not, like either he's forcing her to fake them for him or like she's not really, it's just not like, this isn't, I don't know.
[00:34:31] Mike: This isn't, Ali, you've never been with a guy who did this to you. He like, like sort of emotionally pressured you into pretending to have orgasms constantly when he's fucking you.
[00:34:34] Ally: No, no.
[00:34:40] Ally: No. I think that would be too much work for me to do.
[00:34:41] Mike: That surprises me.
[00:34:43] Keith: Yes, you have, Ali. You've definitely had the experience where like you were sort of over it and he hadn't come yet.
[00:34:49] Ally: i've I've faked in order to get an encounter to stop, but I've never met someone who wanted me to fake having multiple because like if I faked it and and then and then it didn't stop, I would be like, okay, well then what's the fucking point?
[00:34:49] Mike: He's just fucking away.
[00:34:58] Keith: Yeah. Right.
[00:35:01] Mike: So you you only are see.
[00:35:01] Keith: I heard he faked an orgasm. Can't you tell that this is what this has done now?
[00:35:06] Mike: Right, you're only willing to fake if if you get something in return.
[00:35:06] Keith: Yeah.
[00:35:06] Ally: yeah
[00:35:09] Keith: Which is the end of size.
[00:35:10] Ally: Yeah, which is yeah.
[00:35:10] Mike: Like so you would so hang on. So so so maybe you can ideate around this for a second. So let's say you' you've had sex with this guy, he's been. he's been Usually it lasts two to 10 minutes. Let's whatever take him in his word.
[00:35:20] Mike: You're at minute 15 or whatever, approximately. He's just, you're in the missionary. He's just fucking away, fucking away, fucking away. He's like enjoying it. He's sweating. There's some sweat that's dripping on your face now.
[00:35:32] Mike: Cause he's so, anyway, are you fake?
[00:35:32] Ally: Oh, you're gonna make it gross for me.
[00:35:35] Mike: You fake an orgasm to end it and he's just more excited and keeps going.
[00:35:37] Ally: Mm hmm.
[00:35:40] Mike: What do you do? What do you do? So now you're, you're three minutes post your fake. What do you do?
[00:35:44] Ally: Oh, God. I mean, I yeah, I think I would try to say like, you know, no, I'm too sensitive or something like stop, you know, like, much I like him as a person.
[00:35:52] Mike: So you would definitely lie. Okay. You would never say to him, like, look, dude, we have a talk.
[00:36:02] Ally: And like, if I don't mind hurting his feelings, it's like, obviously, it's gonna hurt his feelings.
[00:36:05] Mike: Okay.
[00:36:06] Ally: But
[00:36:07] Mike: Okay. Um, what is the, what is the signal to you when it's, do you just start getting bored as your vagina start getting raw? Like what happens? What, what why, what, how do you know when to fake?
[00:36:17] Ally: either of those things. yeah um If it's been going on long enough that I feel like I'm yeah like either getting bored or getting like uncomfortable with how long it's been going on, and I'm like, I know this is not going to get me there.
[00:36:20] Mike: When you have, I know it's seldom.
[00:36:32] Mike: Mm hmm. OK, and you give him some grace period or something.
[00:36:37] Ally: And if it's like with a relatively new partner who I think like you know would have his feelings hurt by, yeah.
[00:36:43] Mike: Do you ever do you ever like ah try to get him to come faster, like ah act all excited or maybe the fake orgasms partly about that, like like trying to get him to to come?
[00:36:51] Ally: Yeah.
[00:36:55] Mike: And you've really never had it where like this, these techniques all just didn't work.
[00:36:55] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
[00:36:58] Mike: And so the guy's just continuing. Cause I think that's, I think I've heard that several, you know, many times from women, like there's this experience, but doesn't the guy want to come?
[00:37:01] Ally: You know, I haven't, like, if I, if I actually go through with, like, actually faking it, like, he'll, you know, stop and bask in the glow of his pretend success. But sometimes, like, you know, the way that I, if I change the way that I, like, vocalize or, like, the way that I'm touching him or moving or something, like, sometimes that will get him there and, like,
[00:37:21] Ally: that's you know That's faking something, but it's more like faking Sometimes it's with a...
[00:37:26] Mike: Right. But that when you fake coming, the guy stops. It doesn't he doesn't figure it doesn't he still need to orgasm. It's like the show's not over.
[00:37:42] Ally: Yeah. um
[00:37:44] Keith: I think most men after the woman has orgasmed sort of can use that as permission structure to come themselves.
[00:37:53] Mike: Hmm.
[00:37:54] Ally: Yeah, so sometimes it's that like, you know, that he's waiting for me. And so then like, I want to fake it so that he can get it over with. But sometimes it's with a guy who's like, you know, doesn't think that he's going to be able to come for whatever reason for like, your age or whatever.
[00:38:02] Keith: Get it over with.
[00:38:04] Mike: Doesn't that make you angry? Because the thing that enrages me about that, really, it's it's almost at the Kai Rizdahl level, is that it um he guy like this show is, no, no, no, not at all, at the guy, at the guy.
[00:38:15] Ally: At me, and I'm almost like Kyristo. wow
[00:38:19] Mike: is that he's showing such a disrespect by not like under having any comprehension of how your body works.
[00:38:19] Ally: ah
[00:38:24] Mike: It's so ridiculous. like i just don't like In the history of mankind where guys followed this pattern of waiting, quote unquote, for the woman to orgasm, bring PIV, and then orgasm themselves, I would be willing to guess that less than 10% of the time,
[00:38:39] Mike: did the woman actually orgasm when the guys do that? It just doesn't work. I'm not saying it never works, but it's unusual. As an intelligent, vibrant young lady, I would think that would just fucking enrage you and you would just want to be like, look, you are a moron. Let me squirt the semen out of my vagina and then I'm going to give you a talking to.
[00:39:00] Mike: No?
[00:39:00] Ally: it does It does lower my impression of their yeah i guess you know expert experience, maybe you could say. um But do we want to go back to talking about like how Keith believes that everyone he's been with has come immediately and multiple times?
[00:39:10] Mike: It's embarrassing.
[00:39:16] Ally: like
[00:39:16] Mike: He's joking. He might've thought that, I actually think like 10 years ago, Keith might've thought that or like been, which which itself is like astonishing.
[00:39:18] Keith: I am joking.
[00:39:19] Ally: and
[00:39:25] Mike: Like I'm gobsmacked. Like how did you ever, and and I know Keith, you kind of blame women for that.
[00:39:29] Keith: All right, hold on, hold on.
[00:39:30] Mike: You think women, yeah, go ahead.
[00:39:31] Keith: Yeah, for starters, this entire conversation is a little bit circular, right? Ali fakes orgasms, and then you're expressing you know outrage that like men are confused about like what makes women orgasms.
[00:39:38] Mike: Oh no.
[00:39:44] Mike: Fair. Okay.
[00:39:45] Keith: You know, there's a chicken and egg problem here. And I agree that a man, any man who'd listened to this podcast for starters should know better. um And most men should know better.
[00:39:54] Mike: ninety percent like
[00:39:56] Keith: There's plenty of literature available about this.
[00:39:56] Mike: when people yeah When people email, like I don't know exactly the numbers, but it's something like I should keep a spreadsheet. It's something like 90, 10 people saying we don't know what we're talking about. So like people are so sure on this one.
[00:40:09] Keith: I know.
[00:40:10] Mike: that they email in and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, this is wrong. It's like, you guys are fucking morons. Like what we're saying is right.
[00:40:15] Keith: Right.
[00:40:16] Mike: Do some research, ask chat GPT, whatever. We're right about this one, but go ahead Keith.
[00:40:20] Keith: Right. Yeah, I mean, there's also a lot of women that don't even know what an orgasm is, right? They're like, Oh, you know, I came like 17 times in 10 minutes. um Okay.
[00:40:31] Ally: Yeah, so maybe you're saying that these people find each other and then they're kind of like very compatible in that way. or One of them is like, I came so many times, they went like,
[00:40:38] Mike: Yes, I want to say there's a there's there's a guy who emails in, he's emailed in twice with a porn of a woman doing that, of orgasming again and again. it's Stop sending us the porn.
[00:40:48] Mike: It's a porn, my dude. It's a porn. It's fake. It's a porn. It's fake. like Stop it. like but Could it happen?
[00:40:55] Keith: Yeah.
[00:40:56] Mike: Has it happened in the history? For example, with taking a drug, it can happen. like I believe it can happen. It's unusual, very unusual to have these rolling orgasms.
[00:41:04] Keith: Yeah. It's a little bit like what what is that church where like the people like stand up and they like, you know, wriggle their bodies because they're like feeling the Lord course through them.
[00:41:14] Mike: Now that's real.
[00:41:15] Ally: Oh yeah. and
[00:41:17] Keith: Right.
[00:41:18] Mike: Speaking in tongues.
[00:41:18] Keith: I mean, yeah.
[00:41:19] Mike: ah la la la la la
[00:41:21] Keith: Right. Like these people, like, I think they actually believe what they think. I don't know. It's it's the same with hypnotism. there's There's some percentage of people for whom hypnotism actually works.
[00:41:31] Mike: yeah
[00:41:35] Keith: And then there's a lot of people that are full of shit and are faking it because the, hip you know, quote unquote, hypnotist has created a social situation where it's easier to fake it than not.
[00:41:43] Mike: But there is, I want to defend that a little bit because maybe maybe this is relevant. There is a tiny fraction of people who are super intelligent and are faking that the hypnotism worked because they know that will make their life more fun.
[00:41:56] Keith: Hmm.
[00:41:57] Mike: There's a tiny possibility of that, and that could happen in sex or these other things too, where like somebody's at that like a glowing brain level where they're like, look, my life is actually better if I pretend this stuff's true, even though I know it's not.
[00:42:07] Ally: i'm curious yeah I'm curious what you mean when you say that hypnotism works for some people.
[00:42:08] Keith: Yeah.
[00:42:11] Ally: like I think everyone is faking it to a greater or lesser extent, and they may kind of not realize to the extent they're faking it, but like what do you mean by saying it works?
[00:42:22] Keith: I've... red and I heard a podcast recently that suggested that the CIA had this set of people who they had trained to be to be able to like carry out orders on on command. And there's some speculation that Lee Harvey Oswald was one of these people.
[00:42:48] Keith: um
[00:42:51] Ally: This doesn't sound, I guess what I mean is like when, when you say that somebody was hypnotized and they made them like cluck like a chicken or something like, well, like that's not. something that maybe that person didn't want to do, like the the scenario of being hypnotized just helped them overcome this like small barrier to action.
[00:43:06] Ally: But are you saying that you could like hypnotize a person to like kill themselves or something? Like when you say it works, like you could make someone do something that they like absolutely would never do what not hypnotized.
[00:43:16] Mike: I mean, what do you think ah Jim Jones was doing?
[00:43:21] Mike: like He got like hundreds of people to drink poison Kool-Aid.
[00:43:22] Ally: Well, he like, well,
[00:43:25] Mike: I mean, it's something. It's something psychological, right? And they did kill themselves.
[00:43:29] Ally: Yeah, I guess I don't think of that as hypnotism because it happened over such a long period of time and it was more like you know cult indoctrination or something, but maybe you could consider that hypnotism.
[00:43:37] Keith: okay i I understand the nuance in that argument there, but let's ah I was talking about acute short-term hypnotism. I don't know the science on this.
[00:43:46] Mike: Okay.
[00:43:48] Keith: I have read some things that imply that for some people it's actually real and possible. um And people can use this to stop smoking or get over trauma.
[00:44:01] Keith: Like hypnotism therapy is a thing. Now, so is acupuncture. um And I think that's a bunch of bullshit. um ah so that So that it's an actual thing that people pay for doesn't necessarily mean it's real.
[00:44:12] Ally: No, no.
[00:44:15] Keith: But my understanding is there have been some studies that imply it is, but I don't know enough to argue that case strongly.
[00:44:25] Mike: Yeah. i mean Acupuncture, if you believe it works, that yeah could produce psychosomatic impacts.
[00:44:27] Keith: And I share your skepticism, by the way.
[00:44:31] Mike: right so mean it's like not it's you're You're saying when you say acupuncture is bullshit, you're saying that putting little needles in your body doesn't do anything, which is true, of course, but it might persuade you to some mental state that then, yeah.
[00:44:35] Keith: Yeah. Right.
[00:44:44] Keith: Yes, the problem with doing studies on these things is if somebody is trying to quit smoking and they go to see a hypnotist, they really want to quit smoking and they really want to believe that the hypnotist spurred them into action and created some magical change in their brain.
[00:44:53] Ally: Yeah.
[00:44:59] Keith: And so you can't just ask people who have quit smoking because they saw a hypnotist if they think hypnotism is real. I appreciate that like building a study to test this is hard. You need some sort of placebo with a fake hypnotist that knows he's not doing anything or and a large enough sample size.
[00:45:15] Keith: Anyway, yeah, it's it's hard.
[00:45:16] Ally: Yeah.
[00:45:18] Keith: um
[00:45:20] Mike: I can say that as a person with high skepticism myself, the only mental health interventions that have ever systematically worked is medications. So I strongly agree with your perspective.
[00:45:28] Ally: Yeah. I mean, it would be interesting to get a bunch of people who like don't want to quit drinking or whatever to like go be hypnotized to quit drinking and then see if like you know if it actually does something to them because they don't want to do it.
[00:45:35] Keith: Yeah.
[00:45:39] Keith: Yeah.
[00:45:39] Mike: Sure.
[00:45:41] Keith: ah Yeah.
[00:45:41] Mike: Yeah.
[00:45:42] Keith: We know a candidate for that study.
[00:45:45] Mike: My point would just be that if you took high skepticism people, none of them would be able to be hypnotized or whatever. nothing thing None of these interventions would work on high skepticism people. and And I'm sure you can triage out who's high skepticism just with a psychological inventory.
[00:45:58] Keith: Yeah. I think that's what those hypnotists that do the stage shows do is they, right.
[00:46:04] Mike: They avoid those people.
[00:46:06] Keith: They always eliminate a couple of people and it's because
[00:46:06] Ally: yeah
[00:46:06] Mike: Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like stage, uh, stage mediums or whatever. Same thing they have to do.
[00:46:10] Keith: Yeah.
[00:46:11] Mike: Yeah. They have to eliminate like certain kinds of people.
[00:46:11] Keith: Yeah.
[00:46:13] Mike: Cause they know they'll get trapped.
[00:46:14] Keith: Yeah. All right. Let's move on. This person says, I am sick of begging my boyfriend for sex. We've been dating for two years since the start of the relationship I've had to initiate sex.
[00:46:22] Ally: I'm sick of begging her boyfriend for sex too.
[00:46:26] Keith: And it was not, it was not just initiating.
[00:46:26] Mike: Hmm.
[00:46:29] Keith: I had to tell him that I needed this and almost begging. Doing this absolutely ruined my confidence. I gained weight, lost almost all my friends and hate myself, even though everyone was complimenting me. We were good for a while, but now that our studies became more time-consuming, we stopped again. I'm sick of asking for sex and I can't do it anymore. When I ask for it and it happens, it just doesn't feel the same. When we do it, it's good and he enjoys it, but he doesn't need it as much. thing i don't need this The thing is, I don't need this because I will die of horniness. I need this so I can connect with him and myself. When we don't do it for so long, I stop feeling like i'm an actual I'm in an actual relationship with him.
[00:47:03] Keith: The thing is we talked this over a million times and I've tried everything. I'm just so sick of it. He's a great boyfriend who cares for me, but most of the time he doesn't seem to actually understand me and not miss changes. Love him, but I feel so tired. I don't know what to do.
[00:47:16] Mike: Sounds like Ali. Aren't you?
[00:47:21] Ally: Yeah, I would say she should break up with him because it doesn't seem like he's that into her.
[00:47:27] Mike: Yeah, I mean, if your partner is not doing this basic function.
[00:47:27] Keith: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what a therapist would say here.
[00:47:31] Mike: Yeah.
[00:47:31] Keith: Yeah. I think.
[00:47:33] Mike: It's.
[00:47:34] Keith: ah I've been in some relationships where this has happened.
[00:47:35] Mike: Well, wait, Keith, you. Right, you've been the perpetrator of this, right?
[00:47:39] Keith: Yes, I have.
[00:47:39] Mike: So I mean, what is what as as the man in this situation, if you think back, like, what was what should they have done? It always break up.
[00:47:48] Keith: ah In retrospect, yeah. ah Maybe there is something that could be done, but yeah I always felt that I could feel their desperation, and their desperation is not attractive.
[00:47:58] Mike: Hmm.
[00:48:01] Keith: It's nice to have to chase. And when you know it's available at all times, and it's just so available, it yeah it like loses its scarcity or something.
[00:48:16] Keith: And I found that unattractive.
[00:48:17] Mike: true.
[00:48:19] Keith: And so then, you know, I might suggest something like, well, just, you know, Don't initiate and like wait for me to and then you know It's like that meme where it's like the skeleton sitting in the chair.
[00:48:31] Keith: It's still still waiting Like just because they've stopped initiating then I can feel that like every moment that I'm not Initiating when there's like a brief window where like maybe it seemed appropriate to initiate and I don't They're like, you know sort of tapping their foot hoping I will like there's no ah she She can't turn off that she wants to have sex way more than I do.
[00:48:33] Ally: Yeah.
[00:48:54] Keith: I And so yeah, I've been in this spiral in a couple of relationships myself, and i don't I don't know how to dig out of it.
[00:48:57] Mike: Yeah.
[00:49:04] Ally: Do you think even the perception that constant availability is unattractive is an indicator that you're not that into her? like do you think that Or somebody you really liked, you would enjoy that it was always available to you?
[00:49:16] Keith: That's my hope. My hope is that you know in some future relationship, um I don't build this sort of like almost resentful anti-sex defensive crouch.
[00:49:29] Keith: and
[00:49:30] Ally: Yeah.
[00:49:31] Keith: ah
[00:49:31] Mike: I don't I think the
[00:49:31] Keith: and yeah Maybe that starts with you know respecting them more as a person, or I'm not sure exactly.
[00:49:39] Mike: I think there's a um I think there's a ah strategically I think the woman should not make it that's this available. I think i think he does a point that she should continue to provide some risk for him of whether it will work or not.
[00:49:56] Keith: Should she cheat on me?
[00:49:58] Mike: No, no, no. but not I mean, no, it's not that. It's that like it shouldn't be fully available.
[00:50:02] Ally: Ha ha ha!
[00:50:03] Mike: So like you try to initiate and she should actually turn you down. I mean, look, you you're describing situations where it's gotten to the point where it's pathological, where it's like probably not fixable.
[00:50:10] Keith: yeah
[00:50:11] Mike: And frankly, like by
[00:50:12] Keith: right
[00:50:13] Mike: I think you could sort of cross apply your argument about women faking orgasm here. Like by women tolerating your behavior in this way, like it's makes it worse because you're like, you've like learned that you can do this to women and it's okay.
[00:50:22] Keith: right
[00:50:24] Mike: Like they should, they should break up with you much sooner and they don't because they're like, ah they they're in love with you or whatever.
[00:50:25] Keith: Right, agreed.
[00:50:30] Mike: Uh, some stupid thing that women do, but the, uh, um, but, but, but in a steady state, I think the right thing for the woman to do would be to only say yes, like every third time or something.
[00:50:30] Keith: Right.
[00:50:42] Ally: But I think Keith is right that the risk, like if it's always available, the risk is that she'll go and make it available to somebody else also.
[00:50:43] Mike: Like, or you know, or, yeah.
[00:50:48] Ally: Like I think you she's still providing an element of risk.
[00:50:53] Mike: What's that? The risk that she's fucking someone else?
[00:50:56] Ally: Yeah.
[00:50:58] Mike: But even, and I don't, I don't think that's how our brain works. Like we don't, we don't, like that's, it's not that it's ah it's too much of a betrayal or something.
[00:51:02] Ally: You don't think of that as a possibility.
[00:51:07] Mike: It's like, what we want is to pursue, I understand what he's talking about. It's like, it's like the cat, like, you know, when you have a kitten, it'll chase anything. You you love cats. And then they grow up in most of them, although not all.
[00:51:18] Mike: And I think it relates to whether they like have to do anything. Cats that are well fed don't, is they stop playing. and But cats love chasing after something and men are like that, right? we want to we want it So we want the woman to like dress provocatively, kind of flirt with us, and then not have sex with us sometimes.
[00:51:27] Ally: Yeah.
[00:51:34] Mike: And it's like, oh, hmm. She's like, yeah, i may know maybe tomorrow or whatever, that kind of deal. like that I think there's some strategy and probably Part of the problem here is the women making it completely available to Keith like low. So it's not just the thing you said of like, Oh, maybe Keith will find somebody who he just wants to have sex with all the time. Even though it's fully available. I actually think it's like the woman has an obligation too to like make it more fun for him.
[00:52:00] Ally: What is your interpretation like when the woman has been flirting with you or whatever and like and then turns you down? like Do you think that it's something you did? Do you think, like oh, she's on her period? like What do you think is going on?
[00:52:13] Keith: On the period thing, I have a brief thing to say about this. When I was younger, I used to be sort of confused about how in early dating situations, sometimes it would seem like sex was definitely going to happen on like the next date.
[00:52:28] Keith: And then like for some like mysterious reason, like so like people would make these like excuses that like I didn't really make sense. And i've I've since decided that what's going on is they're inconveniently menstruating on that date.
[00:52:40] Keith: And they just they just want to wait one more.
[00:52:41] Mike: Yeah.
[00:52:43] Keith: um But I didn't know that when I was younger. So I was like, what is happening here? Like why? Like it it just seems so obvious that this was maybe what?
[00:52:49] Mike: But maybe that quality of mystery maybe that quality of mystery actually made it more intriguing.
[00:52:55] Keith: Yeah, maybe.
[00:52:56] Mike: I think Ali actually the optimal
[00:52:57] Keith: Yeah, it's like a random number generator.
[00:52:59] Mike: So I think what you were getting at with the what happens when you get turned down is like there could be some risk that the guy kind of gives up or loses interest or something like that. So I think if the girl wanted if the woman wanted to make it optimally fun, it could be for her to it would be for her to like you know interact with interact positively with the reality that he wants to have sex and sort of expects to, ah but not actually do it. So she could be like, look, yeah you know so she could acknowledge that he has this desire and be like, look, um you can go beat off or whatever.
[00:53:30] Mike: Like sort of, sort of likes, yeah.
[00:53:30] Ally: but I guess my worry would be like, when you get rejected, you assign that to something that you did. Maybe you think like, oh, you know, I shouldn't wear this shirt again. She doesn't like this shirt or like, I shouldn't take her to this restaurant. She doesn't like this restaurant. And maybe that's not the case. And then like, you'd be worried as the girl about like, am I you know, signaling something I don't mean to signal and now he's never gonna take me to this restaurant again.
[00:53:50] Mike: yeah the thing i The thing I was thinking is it might be better to as a woman to actually ah essentially reveal that it's a strategy. like Just because people know that something is a constructed sort of artifice doesn't actually stop it from working on their brains.
[00:53:57] Ally: Right, yeah.
[00:54:04] Mike: right so it's like So then the guy would understand like, oh, this is just a thing she does to like keep me hot and horny. And it's like, okay, like I actually think i think she think that might well be optimal.
[00:54:10] Ally: Yeah.
[00:54:12] Mike: The the bigger risk that I saw was
[00:54:13] Ally: Okay, I can go along with that. yeah
[00:54:15] Mike: Yeah, the bigger risk I see is not actually him like misunderstanding and like thinking he's running some maze that's not really there. The biggest risk I see is that is him misinterpreting that the woman's just not interested in sex and like maybe just like every so often saying, oh, okay, fine. That I think is a mistake. And so I think the woman should make it clear that she knows what's happening and that she's interested in the game, but she wants to play it in such a way that he remains kind of, yeah, it's like, look, like if i give if we have sex every time, like frankly, like you're not as into it.
[00:54:42] Mike: And I like it better when you're really into it. And I want there to be some mystery and uncertainty.
[00:54:46] Ally: Mm hmm.
[00:54:46] Mike: And that's fun for me. And like as a guy, I'd be like, oh, OK, I get it.
[00:54:48] Ally: Mm hmm.
[00:54:49] Mike: like I get it. And so I wouldn't think, oh, it's because of the restaurant. I'd be like, look, I just don't know. And that's kind of fun. And so what would I do? i would probably I would probably pursue sex more because it's like, well, I want to spin the roulette mo wheel more.
[00:54:55] Ally: Yeah.
[00:55:03] Mike: And and then when when I was rejected, I'd be like, oh, this is just that.
[00:55:03] Keith: Right?
[00:55:06] Mike: you know would Yeah, I'd be like, oh, okay. I mean, if look, if it happened 20 times in a row, then you'd be like, hmm. But it you know if it was a reasonable ratio, I'd be like, okay, you know fine.
[00:55:13] Ally: Yeah.
[00:55:14] Mike: And like and she like I said, she could even she could be like, I'll watch you masturbate or something. like She could do something where it's like, okay, I'll I'll participate in mildly. even you know but but And I do think that like he would be more excited than when you do have sex now.
[00:55:28] Mike: I mean, if you're dating some guy with like, I don't know, Peroni's disease or something like that, it's gonna be harder because he can't. He's not gonna be able to sort of keep it up in the right way, but.
[00:55:35] Ally: Yeah, like he's essentially spinning a roulette wheel with his erections. Like, will this work?
[00:55:39] Mike: It's true, it's true.
[00:55:41] Ally: Keith, do you think that Mike's strategy would work on you if she says like, I'm just not going to do it this time to keep things interesting? Like, would that keep you interested?
[00:55:47] Keith: I mean...
[00:55:48] Mike: And she's really attractive. And she's really attractive. That's important.
[00:55:52] Keith: Yeah, it's tricky. ah The scenario they want, or I think I want them to create is...
[00:56:03] Keith: ah eight yeah Yeah, Mike, what you said about spinning the roulette reel makes sense. what What the woman wants, I think, is to feel wanted. And so...
[00:56:15] Keith: you know, they, she probably wants me to like, you know, cuddle with her and, you know, hug her and poke and prod and, you know, try to initiate. And, uh, but when I'm in a situation where I'm i'm not that into them, I don't do any of that because that's part of the, of the defense, you know, the defensive crouch, which is like, yeah, I don't want to,
[00:56:43] Keith: I don't want them to think that I'm initiating because I'm not. And if I do anything that could be this construed as initiating, you know, now I'm going to you know make them disappointed. And so, voluntarily.
[00:56:53] Mike: That really feels like the behavior of a guy who's had a woman reject him 20 times in a row, where you're like, fine, fuck you. it doesn't It's so weird to me that you wind up in that defensive crouch after, yeah, where you're like, oh, yeah I know we had sex yesterday, but I'm going to behave. it's it's yeah It's weird to me that you wind up there. Anyway, I think this is a behavior men would understand well, like kind of in a relationship that's not going well, where it's like,
[00:57:18] Mike: Yeah, you just, you're like, fine, I'm not even going to initiate because I know that's what you want. Like you want the, club exactly what you said.
[00:57:22] Keith: right
[00:57:23] Mike: Yeah.
[00:57:24] Keith: yeah But some sort of, I'm not sure explicitly communicating to me with that they're running some sort of strategy is a good strategy, but but I don't know.
[00:57:33] Mike: Hmm.
[00:57:35] Keith: i yeah i I'm not sure. Maybe. um not
[00:57:39] Mike: I mean, this there's a this is a little bit like I mean, there is a strategy that's proposed on Reddit a lot. And I don't know how it actually turns out where women like wear something that indicates whether they're open to sex that day or not.
[00:57:50] Mike: And so then the guy like there's like a game there.
[00:57:50] Keith: hu
[00:57:52] Mike: It's like, ah oh, she is she wearing it today? You know, and if she's not, of course, the problem there is if she's not, then his incentive is just to like leave.
[00:57:56] Keith: Right.
[00:58:02] Mike: He's like, ah, Pornhub dot.com.
[00:58:02] Keith: i it's it's like You could do the dishes tonight, honey.
[00:58:04] Mike: You know.
[00:58:06] Keith: There's no point in me doing them.
[00:58:06] Mike: Right. So like the completely removing that mystery seems a little weird, like, you know, but it's interesting.
[00:58:13] Keith: Yeah.
[00:58:14] Ally: Yeah.
[00:58:16] Keith: yeah Yeah, I don't know. it's I do think and when once it's to the point where you feel like you have to beg your boyfriend for sex, it's just not
[00:58:28] Mike: Hmm.
[00:58:30] Ally: Yeah, that's not good.
[00:58:31] Keith: you know yeah you know The next thing is she wants to schedule it. That just makes the problem worse.
[00:58:37] Ally: yeah
[00:58:39] Keith: It's probably to a point where it's irrecoverable.
[00:58:39] Ally: yeah
[00:58:41] Keith: I'd be curious what a therapist would say about this, although most therapists just say whatever they think their customers want to hear. so I'd be curious but a what a serious therapist that isn't and that that doesn't have that incentive would say.
[00:58:48] Mike: They would probably, I mean, like, yeah, to first order, I'm sure they would be confused by what you're doing because of the fact that like, it doesn't, it's probably unusual.
[00:58:55] Keith: because
[00:59:00] Mike: It's relative, I'm sure it's relatively unusual for men to, in, to behave that way when sex is readily available. Yeah. It sounds like a behavior when it's not available.
[00:59:10] Ally: I mean, I've experienced that from a couple guys that like, not not to the extent, I guess, of what Keith is describing, but that they you know seem to have less of a libido than I do and that like, yeah.
[00:59:13] Mike: Oh yeah.
[00:59:21] Keith: Lower sex drive.
[00:59:23] Ally: um
[00:59:25] Mike: You have a really high libido though, Ali.
[00:59:25] Ally: I mean, she does say in the question, sure, she does say in the question that like, they've both gained weight and they're under a lot of stress and stuff. So maybe she could try, you know, losing weight or somehow removing that stress, but it does seem like she should just break up with it.
[00:59:34] Keith: Losing weight.
[00:59:38] Ally: Like if you're getting to the point of begging and your partner doesn't realize like, I don't want my partner to be begging me for anything. You know, she was saying like, Oh, I have to beg him to, you know, to do the dishes or to like put the toilet seat down.
[00:59:49] Ally: It's like, that's not a good dynamic no matter what the behavior is.
[00:59:50] Mike: I think it would be hot if, if I was like, if I was had an erection and she was begging me to come in her mouth, that can be hot. That's not what you mean though.
[00:59:59] Ally: oh Yeah, but I mean that's already part of sex like if she has to you know beg him to get interaction like that's that's weird and like Yeah, yeah
[01:00:02] Mike: Yeah. So the right, the begging should only be ah after five minutes after sex initiates, then it's fine.
[01:00:10] Keith: Right.
[01:00:11] Mike: But before that, it's not.
[01:00:11] Keith: Right.
[01:00:12] Mike: Yeah.
[01:00:15] Keith: Yeah. All right. Well, I don't have anything more positive to say about this. That'll do it for this episode of your mileage may vary. You can send us feedback or questions to ymmvpod at gmail dot.com.
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Episode 186: Listener Backlash, Hypnosis, Autofellatio Confessions, Real Talk on Peeing, Natural Conception Donors, Sex Drive Dilemmas

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