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Episode 188: Swinger Signals, Taylor Swift Secrets, AI Porn, Seasonal Kinks, Bro Gifts

Team YMMV | 11-22-2024 | 1:05:36

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What do Taylor Swift, a clown car, and seasonal porn have in common? They all somehow make it into this week’s episode of Your Mileage May Vary! Just Mike and me today, and we’re diving into the strange, hilarious, and occasionally bleak corners of sex, relationships, and the modern world.

We kick things off with a look at the awkward politics of swinger approaches, including Mike’s firsthand confusion at a Lake Tahoe bar that was definitely not what he expected. Then we analyze why Taylor Swift’s music might be your secret weapon for attracting 20-something women (pro tip: encyclopedic knowledge of “All Too Well” is apparently a game-changer). Along the way, we discuss whether AI-generated porn is the future of personal fantasies, and whether we’d even want that future in the first place.

From there, we pivot into listener questions, tackling the problem of queefing, and a curious case of someone who can masturbate 15 times a day but can’t seem to finish during sex. As always, our takes are a mix of irreverent humor and the occasional moment of accidental insight—plus a surprising amount of advice on how not to ruin your marriage over a cushion.

Stick around to the end, where we contemplate the ultimate “bro gift” (it’s not what you think), seasonal porn costumes, and why some people are oddly dedicated to writing heartfelt comments on Reddit porn. This is an episode where our tangents are as good as the main course, so grab your headphones, settle in, and join us for another wild ride.

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[00:00:01] Keith: Hello and welcome to Your Mileage May Very. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial, but mostly in good faith. It's just me and Mike today. Hi, Mike, how are you?
[00:00:11] Mike: ah Doing great Keith. How are you?
[00:00:13] Keith: ah I'm all right. Still processing down the election and mostly it's a bummer because everyone I talk to is very upset about it and I would rather talk about other things.
[00:00:27] Mike: That's too bad. I've actually been enjoying what's happened not because I cared that much about the outcome but just because I It's not often in life you get to watch a person assemble a clown car in the way we're getting to.
[00:00:38] Keith: Right, right, right.
[00:00:40] Mike: Now, obviously the risk, the fact that Putin just recently has threatened World War III and nuclear war, less less excited about that.
[00:00:50] Keith: Yeah, I think Putin.
[00:00:52] Mike: Although, although I think he's, I actually think the reason he's threatening world war three is basically to stop the Biden administration from doing anything before Trump comes in. So basically like, ironically, when Trump comes in, like Putin's, that's it. There's no world war three, like Trump is the, it's going to actually stop it amazingly.
[00:01:07] Keith: Right. and Biden approved the use of long range of American long range missiles from Ukraine and Putin's upset about that.
[00:01:13] Mike: Right.
[00:01:14] Keith: So he retuned his nuclear policy.
[00:01:17] Mike: Yeah, and he's just figuring if he if he can just wait him out for another two months, then he's all set, which is probably right.
[00:01:20] Keith: Right.
[00:01:22] Mike: That's probably right.
[00:01:22] Keith: Right. All right. That's not what our listeners came to listen to. Um, you want to start us off? I have a bunch of stuff, but you were telling me a story just before we started recording.
[00:01:35] Mike: Sure. So the night of ah the Mike Tyson, um Jake Paul fight, I went for a swim in Lake Tahoe and not in the lake, but swimming pool nearby and went to a locals bar ah in this small Lake Tahoe town where I have a house.
[00:01:51] Mike: And I'd never been to this bar before. And and I decided, oh, I'll go there and watch the fight, which is at 9 PM Pacific time.
[00:01:56] Keith: Okay.
[00:01:57] Mike: And I was surprised to find that this bar was ah like something like a 75, 25 split of women to men.
[00:02:05] Keith: Whoa.
[00:02:05] Mike: which is really unusual for Barr.
[00:02:07] Keith: Jackpot.
[00:02:07] Mike: And um almost all of the women were 20 somethings who are kind of various job descriptions in in the Lake Tahoe area, ah from nurse act to teacher to various things like that, kind of not super highly educated, but moderately educated women.
[00:02:28] Keith: Okay.
[00:02:28] Mike: So I had a couple anecdotes I wanted to run by with you. The first one actually was a couple that sat down next to me at the bar. The woman was nearer to me. Now, these people were in their 40s. And the man immediately started talking about how, and I don't know if they can tell that I'm a sex podcast co-host, but he immediately, like all like with it like the first three sentences, he started telling me about how They had just been to Las Vegas and that he was good at blackjack, which is, you know, I was asking him like, what does that mean?
[00:03:00] Mike: I mean, you know, the basic strategy I assume.
[00:03:01] Keith: Right. Yeah.
[00:03:02] Mike: And then he would win lots of money. But then when his wife would come in the room and she was sitting right next to me into the, into his field of view, he would start losing because she made him so horny.
[00:03:08] Keith: What?
[00:03:13] Mike: Yes. And then, uh, so I was trying, so then I was, I was talking mostly to the wife because he would, the guy would go off to like get a beer and probably go into the bathroom to snort Coke. I'm not sure what he was doing.
[00:03:24] Mike: He was very kind of body.
[00:03:24] Keith: Yeah.
[00:03:27] Mike: And I was trying to figure out the whole time if these were swingers and they were basically like feeling me out.
[00:03:28] Keith: Ah.
[00:03:32] Mike: And there were a couple of questions there. One is like, I actually don't know what the swinger approaches in a bar. So ultimately they just left, like they'd, I didn't pass the test or they just weren't swingers.
[00:03:42] Keith: Yeah.
[00:03:43] Mike: Um, like two things. One is what is the approach of swingers in a bar? I don't know if you've encountered this before. And the secondly, do swingers ever approach a man that, cause I was thinking this doesn't make any sense.
[00:03:53] Mike: They would approach a woman obviously. Right.
[00:03:56] Keith: Uh, I think I've been approached. and There's two times that I'm positive and a couple other times that I suspect and.
[00:04:06] Mike: What made it positive?
[00:04:08] Keith: Uh, they like specifically asked.
[00:04:09] Mike: They asked.
[00:04:11] Keith: Yeah.
[00:04:12] Mike: Okay.
[00:04:13] Keith: Uh, once was it a wedding, which was particularly awkward because you know, we all know like the same people.
[00:04:21] Mike: It wasn't the bride and groom, was it?
[00:04:21] Keith: Um, no, no, it was, it was, uh,
[00:04:24] Mike: Okay.
[00:04:27] Keith: It was a groomsman and his girlfriend though.
[00:04:27] Mike: You know what would make, okay.
[00:04:29] Keith: and But anyway, yeah, his his girlfriend approached me and and gave me the proposition. And then that happened at a bar once too.
[00:04:35] Mike: Right.
[00:04:36] Keith: Like this girl was sort of talking to me for about 10 minutes and then she was like, oh, do you want to come home with me and my boyfriend? And yeah, I declined.
[00:04:44] Mike: Okay.
[00:04:45] Keith: But yeah, I think usually it's the woman who lays the trap.
[00:04:51] Mike: They did ask, they asked specifically where my wife was, which, uh, I talked to a friend about this and he thought maybe that was like, I basically by saying, Oh, she's not here.
[00:04:54] Keith: Hmm.
[00:05:01] Mike: ah She, you know, was not in Lake Tahoe with me that I might've failed some sort of quiz with that. Right. Like they might've been looking specifically for that. And then it's like, Oh, well, we're not interested anymore.
[00:05:11] Keith: I see. Yeah, who knows? I mean, of course it could have just been a couple of people who'd had a few drinks and were being friendly, but
[00:05:21] Mike: I don't think so. it was because it was So I mentioned the he gets horny thing, but it was just repeated conversation like that. like During the bout, ah there are these women who are on screen frequently that have very large fake breasts. you Did you watch the the fight, Keith?
[00:05:39] Keith: Well, I did, but it was on Netflix and ah the stream just kept breaking.
[00:05:43] Mike: Yeah.
[00:05:46] Keith: So.
[00:05:46] Mike: Oh, we were lucky and that did not happen to us for some reason.
[00:05:50] Keith: Huh, they must have a different CDN serving Tahoe than they did in San Francisco. Cause yeah, they received like tens of thousands of complaints.
[00:05:55] Mike: Could be.
[00:05:59] Keith: Um, it was, it was basically unwatchable and I spent most of the time refreshing the stream during commercial, not commercials, but the ring breaks.
[00:05:59] Mike: Yeah, I read about that.
[00:06:07] Keith: And that's when the ring girls come out with the, the chest ring girls.
[00:06:10] Mike: Something like that, yeah.
[00:06:11] Keith: Yeah.
[00:06:11] Mike: and If it makes you feel any better, it was unwatchable, even if it didn't, the stream didn't break because it was a terrible fight.
[00:06:14] Keith: Yeah, I know. I know.
[00:06:16] Mike: um but But anyway, like, yeah, there was a fair amount of conversation about these women's large breasts and like there was, it was like kind of ongoing and like, you know, the guy, the kind of body guy talking about his penis size and just like a lot of, and yeah yeah, and like just just very clear that he wanted to talk about what they had done in Las Vegas and there was a fair number of sexual topics there.
[00:06:37] Keith: Yeah, that's pretty suspicious. I mean, yeah, I would say odds are more likely than not, but they were trying to initiate something, but I don't know what they were like hoping would happen.
[00:06:40] Mike: Yeah.
[00:06:50] Mike: Yeah, okay.
[00:06:54] Keith: Maybe and like, why would you having a wife matter?
[00:06:58] Mike: Oh, because then they could initiate a wife swap or whatever, like a four people.
[00:07:02] Keith: Oh, I see.
[00:07:03] Mike: yeah I mean, it doesn't, I can't imagine it's, it's probably less common. I've, I know it's less common to seek an MMF situation, right? Than an MFF situation. And MFMF would bring be in the middle somewhere probably.
[00:07:16] Mike: So that seems like more likely to be what they were looking for.
[00:07:17] Keith: Yeah.
[00:07:21] Mike: If anything, I mean, I did speak to somebody who suggested it was just sort of, middle aged people oversharing so that that could be it as well.
[00:07:28] Keith: I mean, who knows? You you don't know, but i I agree with your intuition here. It seems like they could have been looking for something more than just conversation.
[00:07:36] Mike: Is there something you think I should have said to suss out what was going on? I didn't I mean, i I kind of kept the conversation going and like was, you know, reasonably directing the conversation toward these sorts of topics, mostly just to just to entertain myself.
[00:07:48] Keith: Yeah.
[00:07:50] Mike: But like, should I have said some particular thing?
[00:07:53] Keith: um Yeah, because if for nothing else it would have made for better content, I'm trying to think what you could have said.
[00:08:01] Mike: ah
[00:08:02] Keith: You could have said something like, ah yeah, I don't know. You know, you guys, no, no, you would say something like,
[00:08:09] Mike: Hey, I've got a sports car back in my garage. You want to check out my pool table?
[00:08:16] Keith: Do you guys come here and and flirt with strangers often or something and then just see where that conversation goes?
[00:08:20] Mike: Ooh, that's really aggressive. If I'd said that, they would have been like, we're not, oh my gosh, that's aggressive, right?
[00:08:28] Keith: Okay, okay, all right. Do you guys, you could say, do you guys come here and talk to strangers often and then see where the conversation goes. You you want to steer it a little bit, to like you you want to go 10% of the way and let them come the rest.
[00:08:40] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. ah They did say that they're there often, but I did not, that was a Friday night, I think, and I did not go back Saturday night because I i had other things to do.
[00:08:50] Keith: Yeah.
[00:08:51] Mike: I didn't want to start showing up all the time.
[00:08:54] Keith: Yeah. I'm, I'm, pleased I'm pleased with this discovery because when I've been up there with you, we've been to bars, but they're usually it's you and me and like a bunch of sort of blue collar men, uh, binge drinking.
[00:08:55] Mike: Okay. Yeah.
[00:09:05] Mike: Yeah, this is this was very interesting. I think it was important that it was not during a holiday weekend or anything.
[00:09:11] Keith: Yeah.
[00:09:11] Mike: So that way the normal.
[00:09:11] Keith: So the tourists are gone.
[00:09:13] Mike: Right. OK, so while this was going on, a Taylor Swift sound song came on the radio on the jukebox or whatever.
[00:09:18] Keith: Oh, what a thrill. Yeah.
[00:09:20] Mike: And I said something or like there was something I did. I don't remember exactly what that showed that I knew exactly what song it was. I think I was saying to this couple like something, oh, this is all too well, which is are like most her fan's most adored song.
[00:09:35] Mike: And I said a couple of things about it.
[00:09:36] Keith: okay
[00:09:36] Mike: And then this girl over my shoulder is like, what is going on here? you know how How is this possible? that you know whatever like She was so shocked.
[00:09:42] Keith: Oh that you, you know this, this, uh, this boomer.
[00:09:45] Mike: right And so this is when I got introduced yeah i got introduced to this gaggle of 27-year-old girls.
[00:09:52] Keith: This guy knows Taylor Swift.
[00:09:52] Mike: this particular Yes, which it turns out like i I mean, Keith, like if this is the demographic you're shooting for, I learned that this is it could be a technique that you could ah master because this person became extremely interested in me, especially because I am I have to say I am encyclopedic about Taylor Swift songs.
[00:10:07] Keith: Huh.
[00:10:12] Keith: Yeah.
[00:10:12] Mike: And so she was. Yeah, so she's been to five of the eras to her concerts, including one in London and one in Dublin.
[00:10:17] Keith: What?
[00:10:19] Mike: I think her parents are rich.
[00:10:21] Keith: I mean, somebody's rich because those tickets are, I mean, it's basically impossible to get them for face value because they sell out in 400 milliseconds.
[00:10:21] Mike: ah
[00:10:24] Mike: Sure.
[00:10:28] Keith: And then, yeah, you have to get to London and Dublin somehow, obviously.
[00:10:29] Mike: Sure.
[00:10:33] Keith: All right. Anyway, so.
[00:10:33] Mike: Right. Well, so I mean, she, it's not that interesting. We we just had like very detailed conversations about Taylor Swift. um And the yeah, we discussed that.
[00:10:42] Keith: Did you share your theory that Taylor Swift doesn't write her own songs?
[00:10:46] Mike: We discussed that.
[00:10:47] Keith: Okay.
[00:10:47] Mike: ah we We came to some sort of a,
[00:10:47] Keith: and I know that's your your little, that's your hobby horse.
[00:10:50] Mike: We came to some sort of a detente about that. that I just said, like look, it's improbable.
[00:10:53] Keith: different
[00:10:54] Mike: like she'd She'd have to be a better songwriter than Paul McCartney. like It's not possible. and like ah She didn't like that kind of reasoning, but I think she at least respected it.
[00:11:01] Keith: Right, right, right.
[00:11:02] Mike: look she but But the important thing here is that this is an incredibly important part of her identity, and not just her, but these other people she was with.
[00:11:08] Keith: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:11:09] Mike: so But this one in particular was just obsessed with it, and so there's clearly some vein of 20-something women that you can tap into just by becoming ah very knowledgeable about those Taylor Swift.
[00:11:20] Mike: like
[00:11:21] Keith: Well, yeah, I mean, I have, as you know, I don't know if I have the, I have i don't have the depth of knowledge about Taylor Swift, but I have a much breathier knowledge of young people pop culture than you do.
[00:11:35] Keith: So I have a little bit to say about just about everything.
[00:11:35] Mike: Sure.
[00:11:39] Keith: um You know, i've I've seen all the, all the like little Netflix rom coms that come out, you know, four times a year.
[00:11:39] Mike: Sure. Yeah, but...
[00:11:44] Keith: And, ah you know, I know what the reality shows that people watch are.
[00:11:44] Mike: No, that's true.
[00:11:48] Keith: And then, you know, I'm just kind of garbage.
[00:11:50] Mike: That makes sense. yeah so that like that yeah that's a different i would just the um Her willingness to engage was very high. like As I demonstrated knowledge of like every album, every song, like it created created you know she wanted to know how this was possible.
[00:11:59] Keith: Yeah.
[00:12:05] Mike: and and i wanted to She would have talked prop probably.
[00:12:07] Keith: Is this repeatable? Like, could we go to a bar and then, you know, bring some quarters or whatever. You probably have to tap your phone to and activate the jukebox now and then we. We queue up like a somewhat obscure Taylor Swift song and then we stand next to some co-eds and I say to you, you know, somewhat loudly, hey, do you know who this is? And then you proudly, loudly declare this is, you know, Taylor Swift, something, something.
[00:12:30] Mike: I mean, <unk> I'm not sure how repeatable it is, but my guess is in general, yes, it might take a few iterations to to to make it work.
[00:12:36] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[00:12:39] Mike: But I think it's so unusual, first of all, just for a guy to be interested in it, right?
[00:12:43] Keith: Yeah, you do have a sort of impressive obsession with her.
[00:12:43] Mike: I mean, it's it's going to be mostly women.
[00:12:48] Mike: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
[00:12:49] Keith: I mean, I knew around the edges that this was developing, but yeah, when you, when you, you picked me up one time and like Taylor Swift was on the, it was but like, but what there's a Taylor Swift song on, I didn't pick much of it, but then the next song was Taylor Swift.
[00:12:50] Mike: yeah so like i was
[00:13:03] Keith: I was like, oh, here we go.
[00:13:03] Mike: Oh, for sure.
[00:13:05] Keith: Yeah, this is really a thing.
[00:13:06] Mike: yeah You got to do what you got to do.
[00:13:06] Keith: This was years ago. And yeah, you've, your, your deep dive has just ah content continued to plunge the depths.
[00:13:13] Mike: Right. so ah so I then started talking to this other 20-something, 27-year-old. She was born in 1997, who informed me.
[00:13:21] Keith: Jesus.
[00:13:22] Mike: I talked to her for a couple of hours that she had a porn addiction.
[00:13:26] Keith: Okay.
[00:13:27] Mike: now
[00:13:27] Keith: Did she, I mean, I'm sure you double clicked on that. Can you share with me and the listeners?
[00:13:30] Mike: I did. I mean, first of all, like I think that it does show some benefit of co-hosting a porn, sorry, a sex podcast that I was able to get there with her. like it's i was It was remarkable actually how easy it was to generally get these women to talk about sex like without it being ah offensive from an older man.
[00:13:39] Keith: Yeah.
[00:13:45] Keith: Right. Yeah. Alcohol helps, but yeah.
[00:13:48] Mike: allan That's probably right. ah Yeah. So basically she, ah her fiance, she lived in the Midwest and her fiance cheated on her and they broke up.
[00:13:59] Mike: And subsequent to that, she was very sad.
[00:13:59] Keith: Okay.
[00:14:01] Mike: She also works um you know in an industry where she's often kind of not, she's often like has to go, she has to go like on location to do work. ah So she's sort of by herself in in various contexts.
[00:14:14] Mike: And she said she was watching and masturbating to porn for three hours a day.
[00:14:19] Keith: -huh. I think I have done that once or twice in my life and it wouldn't be like a three hour but marathon.
[00:14:21] Mike: Which, frankly. Well.
[00:14:28] Keith: It would be, you know, several 25 minute bursts.
[00:14:32] Mike: Yeah, the thing I was thinking was like that I don't actually think a guy would necessarily consider that a porn addiction. They would just be like, yeah, I just like beating off.
[00:14:38] Keith: No, bright.
[00:14:40] Mike: So in other words, I think she just basically her masturbation and porn habit got to kind of the level of a high male habit, but not like preventing her from doing any other things.
[00:14:51] Keith: I think for women, I mean, yeah, three consecutive hours is a little bit different than breaking it up.
[00:15:01] Mike: That's fair yeah i didn't ah Right.
[00:15:03] Keith: You know, like that just makes it so that you just can't really do anything that day because you have this like three hour block where you're unavailable.
[00:15:11] Mike: I want to say also, and this will trouble some of our listeners, ah this always happens when I have conversations with lovely young women about these topics.
[00:15:20] Keith: Yeah.
[00:15:21] Mike: she won And it's occurred with Allie and others. She 100% agreed with basically all the things that I say on this podcast, meaning not very uncommon to have PIV orgasms,
[00:15:29] Keith: Yeah.
[00:15:32] Mike: Uh, she's not having rolling continuous orgasm. She has sort of, she can have multiple in a session, but there's a significant time lag between them.
[00:15:41] Keith: Yeah.
[00:15:41] Mike: And I also asked her the question that, uh, we've asked Ali about faking orgasm. And I said to her, so I asked Ali this specifically a couple of weeks ago, I said, what, um, what happens? So women will fake orgasm to end the encounter, to get the guy to come and then finish it off.
[00:15:56] Mike: And I said to her, what happens when you fake? And then the guy just keeps pumping away.
[00:16:00] Keith: Yeah.
[00:16:01] Mike: And then her and her response to Ali, I forget, I think Ali just said, oh, that's never happened to me or something like that.
[00:16:05] Keith: Right.
[00:16:05] Mike: This woman, her her name is Kitty. This woman, Kitty's response was, yeah, it's just then I just have to lie back and take it.
[00:16:08] Keith: Uh huh.
[00:16:13] Keith: Jesus.
[00:16:14] Mike: And I was just so bleak. I was like, oh, my God. And she's like, yeah, I've had she's like, I've faked before and had the guy keep going for like 30 minutes.
[00:16:21] Keith: Yeah.
[00:16:21] Mike: And she's like, and I'm just doing the laundry and my or, you know, doing the doing my taxes in my head, like whatever, just just not, you know, and And she said very, very frequently, that's what's going on in her head that she's just totally not into it and just letting guys fuck her.
[00:16:33] Keith: She should, um, she should let, uh, you remember my ex who would orgasm very quickly and then not be interested in sex after that.
[00:16:43] Mike: Yes.
[00:16:44] Keith: She should take lessons from her because when I let let's call her Lisa. Yeah. Like when I lost the race to Lisa and she came first. Yeah. She would just be like, yeah, she was, she would be like, we're done.
[00:16:53] Mike: She'd push you off.
[00:16:57] Keith: And so,
[00:16:57] Mike: Yeah. I don't think this woman had the, she didn't, she definitely didn't have, she had low ish self-esteem. I mean, she's young, like moderate attractive.
[00:17:01] Keith: and
[00:17:03] Mike: She wasn't like hot. She was moderate attractive.
[00:17:05] Keith: Yeah.
[00:17:06] Mike: She will be less much less attractive in 10 years, i meaning she'll be
[00:17:12] Mike: The only thing making her attractive really is that she's young and not overweight.
[00:17:15] Keith: Okay.
[00:17:15] Mike: Put it that way. but ah yeah she she just ah She also told me that she had um considered suicide, which I think is a common trope among young young women. Is that right?
[00:17:25] Mike: To have a story where they considered suicide?
[00:17:27] Keith: I mean, no, what does that even mean?
[00:17:30] Mike: Well, OK, in her case, she was so this was the craziest part. She said she went to a place where there was a dam. And this has got to be like the worst way to commit suicide.
[00:17:40] Mike: One of the worst. There's a lot of bad ways. So one of the worst. She considered jumping in into a dam where like water flows into some sort of concrete tunnel chaotically or, you know, turbulently.
[00:17:48] Keith: oh
[00:17:50] Mike: And she was going to jump in there and I was like, why would you do it that way?
[00:17:50] Keith: have Yeah.
[00:17:53] Mike: Like it's just.
[00:17:53] Keith: Have I not told you that I have this phobia of dams? I like, I have dreams pretty often where I'm i'm standing on a dam and I'm like obsessing over the water intake.
[00:17:57] Mike: It's.
[00:18:02] Keith: Like that's like my actual nightmare, like the
[00:18:03] Mike: rational. Yeah, there's a spot.
[00:18:06] Keith: as like hole in like a deep body of water that like sucks you in and puts you through the power turbines or whatever.
[00:18:12] Mike: Have you have you been to the Lake Berry House of glory hole?
[00:18:16] Keith: ah No, we might've discussed it on this podcast before though, but it's been a while.
[00:18:18] Mike: All right. All right. Yeah, it's just it's just basically a it's it's it's called a glory hole, but it's not a place you stick your dick. It's a place you stick your body if you want to die. And it's basically a ah in the middle of not in the middle, but toward one shore of the lake, there is this concrete structure that's a circle that kind of normally is out of the water. But when the water gets high enough, the water kind of from all sides pours into it and it has a ah tube leading. It's it's just ah an overflow prevention device. But when it's when water is flowing in there, it's fucking terrifying.
[00:18:47] Keith: Yeah.
[00:18:47] Mike: Because if you were on a boat anywhere near it, you would just get sucked in.
[00:18:50] Keith: Right.
[00:18:51] Mike: I agree completely. There's a there is a ah a dam structure at a reservoir near my house where I go running sometimes, and it's actually dry all the time. But even then, just the large concrete water works, I find kind of frightening.
[00:19:03] Keith: Yeah. There's, there's a word for the fear of like large engineering projects and there's a subreddit for it.
[00:19:09] Mike: Yeah, okay.
[00:19:10] Keith: I don't recommend, um, I yeah, I do too.
[00:19:12] Mike: I just think it's rational. It's rational because we're it's a scale that's frightening.
[00:19:15] Keith: Right.
[00:19:15] Mike: yeah So anyway, she she she told me that she... ah Anyway, but the but the main point here is that other than the ma the the porn ah addiction, which I thought was interesting, is that this woman...
[00:19:29] Mike: um confront Yeah, look, this I just think this is the common young female experience. This guy's kind of pumping away. They want to have a relationship. The woman is much more interested in the relationship. It's not that she doesn't like sex, it's that she's She doesn't like it as much as he does.
[00:19:43] Mike: It's that. So it's kind of like mostly for him. And there's a lot of men pumping away your vagina and you're just hoping that he'll still like you tomorrow.
[00:19:46] Keith: Right.
[00:19:52] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. It would be interesting to have a guest on and we've invited the guests that we have had on to try to convince us otherwise that there's, you know, some large cohort of women who are having a materially different sexual experience, but we haven't found one.
[00:20:08] Mike: Yes.
[00:20:12] Mike: Anyway, that's the those are the most interesting folks I talked to. I mean, there was a mix of mostly Trump voters.
[00:20:17] Keith: Hmm.
[00:20:17] Mike: There was a woman from Elko, Nevada, which is in the far east of Nevada, just in the middle of the desert, and she has a lot of guns, and yeah, she's a Trump voter.
[00:20:20] Keith: I've been there. I've been there. The 80 goes through there. So yeah.
[00:20:25] Mike: It does. um and Oh, and then one other one other quick thing I wanted to say is, of these women, young, 27, 26, 28, None of them wanted kids, and none of them thought this is this none of them thought that they could ever be in a position where they could have kids comfortably because of you know financially, economically.
[00:20:40] Keith: Hmm.
[00:20:46] Mike: These are all blue-collar people. In particular, Kitty told me that her dream in life would be to be a tradwife, traditional wife, right where she's just a housewife.
[00:20:53] Keith: Right, right.
[00:20:54] Mike: and just and I told her, like of all the things she said to me, like these sexual things, like actually the wanting to be a tradwife thing, I found the most compelling because I actually think that's what guys want too.
[00:21:05] Mike: In a large measure. I think, I think a lot of guys would like to have a woman who takes care of that stuff. And like, I think the traditional arrangement is compelling on some level to guys and it's just not available anymore.
[00:21:16] Mike: And so she's like, yeah, look, my life is going to be an all of like, go ahead.
[00:21:18] Keith: i don't think i think you I think you're missing something really important here.
[00:21:22] Mike: Go ahead.
[00:21:23] Keith: I think many men in their generation, so, you know, we're talking like mid-20s men, don't have enough money to be able to have a tread rough.
[00:21:31] Mike: Oh yeah, I know.
[00:21:33] Keith: They actually need a wife who's a nurse because she's making more money than him.
[00:21:38] Mike: Absolutely. that's That's sort of the point is that it's is that they like they they're in this terrible situation because of of how the economy has ah has has has progressed so that it's required to have two incomes.
[00:21:39] Keith: snow
[00:21:49] Keith: Right. Yeah. Like young. Yeah, young, low education men are just generally worthless now in a way that they weren't in the past, but in the past they could get a factory job and, you know, buy a car in a house, but now that's not possible or it's much harder.
[00:22:04] Mike: right let me say one of Let me say one other thing to make it as depressing as possible for our listeners and we should move on.
[00:22:09] Keith: Okay. Yeah.
[00:22:09] Mike: ah but kitty Kitty, so she her her fiance dumped her, she's unemployed now, though she has like she's she has actually a reasonable job that she can do. and But she's she has felt some confidence about her future because she's found a guy that is potentially interested in having kids.
[00:22:26] Mike: Unfortunately, he plays in a band in Reno
[00:22:29] Keith: Hmm.
[00:22:31] Mike: And the drummer just quit.
[00:22:33] Keith: Okay.
[00:22:34] Mike: So pretty depressing. all around for I was like, and she's like, she was like, that you look, now I've got, now I've figured it out. Cause I have this guy and it's like, look, I don't think so.
[00:22:42] Keith: That's your income?
[00:22:43] Mike: but i just
[00:22:43] Keith: Is this, or that or that this guy makes, that's his job is being in this bad band.
[00:22:47] Mike: Yes.
[00:22:49] Keith: Oh, God.
[00:22:49] Mike: He also does, uh, he also does, um, some sort of like assemblies for elementary schools, like, uh, you know, be nice to each other, assemblies where he plays some music and stuff. It's yeah. You're just like, Oh man, like this is like, it's, it's so on some level.
[00:23:03] Mike: It's like a walking advertisement for a sugar daddy. Because what she really wants is a guy that's older than her, has some cash and can, can make her a tradwife. Like she would go nuts if she could have that. I think, you know, like you said, but it's not possible.
[00:23:15] Keith: Yeah. Yeah, it's not possible for her and it's not possible for the men that would be interested in her. so
[00:23:23] Mike: Right. yeah she's And the thing is, that's when you said not possible for her, that's absolutely right. She's not attractive enough. She's okay.
[00:23:29] Keith: Right.
[00:23:30] Mike: But like, no guy that's like a millionaire is going to be like, oh, this is what I want. It's not going to happen.
[00:23:34] Keith: Well, yeah, and her social circle doesn't have
[00:23:40] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. She would have to be offering something that she just can't offer because of her social circle.
[00:23:44] Mike: Right. Yes. To her, a high income guy, she told me this was a welder. Which nothing against welders, but like it just gives you an idea of like she actually has no no access whatsoever to wealthier people.
[00:23:54] Keith: Yeah. I think welders actually do pretty well, but yeah.
[00:23:58] Mike: No, I know, but that's like the top for her, and that's not the top remotely in the economy.
[00:24:00] Keith: Right. No, I understand. Right. Yeah. All right. Well, good luck to Katie. Um, let's see. This person says queefing has ruined my sex life.
[00:24:11] Keith: Uh, throw away.
[00:24:11] Mike: Wait, hang on. Didn't you have some patter topics?
[00:24:14] Keith: Uh, I don't know, maybe.
[00:24:18] Mike: All right, let's jump into questions.
[00:24:19] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. This person's very embarrassed by your queefing. I had a child a few years ago and have struggled with queefing since then, particularly in ass high positions.
[00:24:30] Mike: Yeah.
[00:24:31] Keith: No amount of Kegels has fixed it. I got a divorce a couple years ago and recently ended a relationship, even though he'd never tell me so. I have a feeling that queefing had something to do with it since he slowly realized he just wasn't that into me. I understand that changing positions and having an open discussion about it with your partner can help, but honestly, I'm kind of afraid to be intimate with one more person, so I'm just embarrassed. Is there anything surgically or otherwise that can be done to actually fix this? Please be kind with your comments. Thank you.
[00:24:59] Keith: um
[00:25:01] Keith: I read this and I think I don't understand queefing.
[00:25:05] Mike: Hmm.
[00:25:07] Keith: ah You sort of nodded when I said in an as high position. Can you describe what you think she's describing?
[00:25:12] Mike: That's right.
[00:25:15] Mike: Sure. I mean, so what's, uh, do you want to just describe my understanding of the whole phenomenon in the ass high position? Um, so what's going on is when a woman is sits in the doggy style position and, but she's importantly not in like a prone bone position. So her stomach is above the bed or the couch or whatever. And so what that means is that there's some downward, uh, gravity on her belly, which is going to tend to open up her vagina.
[00:25:44] Mike: Now, you as a man, even as a man, you can experience this. It is possible, I remember doing this as a kid. it is and I think men generally can do this. It is possible to sort of put yourself as a man in that position and kind of relax everything.
[00:25:57] Mike: and It's possible actually for air to go into your rectum.
[00:26:03] Mike: I've had this happen in my life. i I wasn't doing it sexually.
[00:26:05] Keith: OK.
[00:26:07] Mike: It was just sort of like, oh look, I remember doing it as a kid.
[00:26:09] Keith: Yeah.
[00:26:10] Mike: It's not something I do regularly.
[00:26:10] Keith: Maybe you were picking something off the floor while you were naked, so you were on your hands and knees or something.
[00:26:13] Mike: I think I was just, and you don't have to be naked.
[00:26:15] Keith: Oh, right. Fair point. Fair point.
[00:26:16] Mike: No, I just remember being in that position and just noticing that like you can relax to the point where like naturally your stomach just sort of extends, distends a little bit.
[00:26:17] Keith: Fair point.
[00:26:25] Mike: It distends at the reward.
[00:26:26] Keith: Yeah.
[00:26:26] Mike: Well, anyway, extends a little bit toward the ground.
[00:26:28] Keith: Dilates.
[00:26:29] Mike: Yeah. And like some air can, it can create some suction. So that's what's going on here is there's basically more potential space in our vagina. And so then when you're, you know, penetrate, I mean, first of all, even if you weren't just penetrating her,
[00:26:42] Mike: she could have air get in there very easily. But then if you have the additional piston of your cock, like it's very likely that air will get in there. And also the piston of the cock can take up the space and cause the air to be forcibly expelled, thus sounding sort of like a fart. So that's that's that's the phenomenon she's describing.
[00:27:01] Keith: Yes, I don't understand why the position matters that much.
[00:27:06] Mike: because it opens up the vagina. If she's on her back, then all of all of her intent um i guess intestines, like her her body organs and her abdominal wall and so forth they are pushing down on the vagina, so it's it's so it's going to be less likely to kind of tent out like that.
[00:27:23] Keith: but I mean, the pussy is open because I'm inside of it.
[00:27:29] Mike: it can I mean, this is the thing is that even if a if a woman just gets into this position on like but doing yoga, she like women doing yoga can queef.
[00:27:36] Keith: Yeah.
[00:27:40] Keith: Okay.
[00:27:41] Mike: like there like there is like The that sort of descending of the or the pulling toward by gravity toward the ground of her abdominal wall and organs and so forth can actually sort of create create a suction that brings air in and tints out the vagina.
[00:27:53] Keith: I see there's a suction effect. Okay. The suction effect is the, so, and then, okay.
[00:27:56] Mike: Yes.
[00:27:59] Keith: So that's how air gets in. And then it somehow gets forced out. Maybe when they change position or something, or maybe they bear down for some reason.
[00:28:07] Mike: That would be the most common one is when, I mean, you must have had, I basically don't believe you if you say that, tell me that you have never been in doggy style with a woman and flipped her over and had her queef. Like that's a very common experience.
[00:28:18] Keith: No, I, I have, of course.
[00:28:19] Mike: Yeah. So that's what's happening there, but it could also happen while you're, and the thing I've also noticed in this position. I have noticed this in my life is like it can happen to the extent that like sex is not really that pleasurable because you're basically fucking error.
[00:28:34] Mike: like there's like the The inside of a vagina like is very clearly not touching the head of your cock as you get as you as you penetrate deeply or more deeply.
[00:28:43] Keith: because it's because in certain positions it's the normal like sort of weight or organs or whatever that sort of make the vaginal cavity but tighter are not doing so.
[00:28:54] Mike: Yeah, it's like it like fills up with air. so i think i mean i think that it's My answer like to partly to this question is, like I think somewhat it's somewhat common for women to have like a pillow or something under their stomach when fucking in doggy style, and this may be part of the reason why. i mean I think it can also help like put her hips in the right location for having fun, but like I think it also sort of prevents this. Having your ass as high as possible without any sort of support may not like it be fairly easy to fix that right with just a cushion.
[00:29:30] Keith: Yeah,
[00:29:32] Mike: Or like imagine a woman who's been bent over a bed, right?
[00:29:32] Keith: ah just
[00:29:35] Mike: That's going to naturally happen. The mattress is in her belly, right? So sort of, yeah, but I mean, obviously the ones on her hands and knees and you're kind of holding her waist, then yeah, like this is going to be potentially something that could happen.
[00:29:47] Mike: Yeah.
[00:29:48] Keith: I guess I'm just confused why she may be queefing more than others.
[00:29:56] Mike: I just like, I mean, it might be weight related, Maybe if you have more, I mean, it makes some sense to me that if you have more abdominal fat, that's more pulling down.
[00:30:06] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[00:30:06] Mike: So so like when when you were reading the question, I was thinking like maybe she's she's unsaid, but she's she's, look, most people are overweight. So like she's probably overweight and this is part of it.
[00:30:18] Mike: ah She's like bummed out. um
[00:30:20] Keith: yeah Yeah, that's a theory and she might be using this as like, ah she's retconning a reason for why she's bummed out.
[00:30:30] Mike: Yeah, I mean, I think if you're in the missionary position, I think we think basically never happens. I think that's right.
[00:30:37] Mike: I can't, you know.
[00:30:39] Keith: I had never thought of this before in terms of like our, so our certain positions.
[00:30:42] Mike: Huh.
[00:30:44] Keith: I just, yeah.
[00:30:48] Mike: That surprises me a little. is that Is this because you don't like the doggy style position?
[00:30:53] Keith: Maybe it's not that I don't like it, but no, I mean, I've definitely had enough doggy style sex where I would have an opinion on this. I just haven't noticed.
[00:31:01] Mike: But you've never noticed before that this happens basically exclusively in that position.
[00:31:06] Keith: No, I haven't noticed.
[00:31:08] Mike: Huh. That's surprising me. Yeah. I think I noticed that like in college.
[00:31:10] Keith: I'd be curious if i'd be curious if other of if other listeners share your experience, which is that it's like obvious and frequent.
[00:31:16] Mike: Huh.
[00:31:20] Mike: And you also haven't noticed in doggy style, the situation I'm describing where like kind of the interior of the vagina, not the, not the vulva, but okay.
[00:31:26] Keith: I think I have noticed that. Yeah, yeah. But I hadn't i didn't have like a ah framework in my mind for why that was the case.
[00:31:37] Mike: Yeah. I mean, sometimes if I'm orgasming in doggy style position, it feels like I'm, yeah, I'm orgasming. Like the head of my cock is just in space. Like, meaning like there's just nothing around it.
[00:31:47] Keith: Right.
[00:31:49] Mike: Like it feels, it actually is a pretty different feel. It can be kind of erotic though, because you feel like, first of all, you do feel pressure around the base of the penis, right?
[00:31:55] Keith: Yep.
[00:31:57] Mike: When you're thrusting in all the way. because that remains tight and like it just, it feels like, yeah, it's, it's kind of dirty, right?
[00:31:59] Keith: Yep.
[00:32:04] Mike: You're like, it feels like you've, you've penetrated her body a lot.
[00:32:06] Keith: Right.
[00:32:08] Mike: So that, so that's, but, but, but in terms of just raw stimulation on the head and top part of the shaft, like, yeah, there's less potentially.
[00:32:08] Keith: Right.
[00:32:15] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[00:32:19] Mike: And this, I think part maybe partly why guys like prone bone, because then you're, you are supporting her abdomen.
[00:32:19] Keith: Yeah. I agree with all that.
[00:32:24] Mike: So it's less likely to happen.
[00:32:26] Keith: Right. Do you think there's some sort of surgery that could fix whatever her thing here? It's I, but my intuition is no.
[00:32:34] Mike: I mean, she's probably overweight, so maybe a liposuction. She could take osembic.
[00:32:38] Keith: Well, okay. Yeah.
[00:32:40] Mike: But for this specific thing, I mean, it's so easy to solve just for the... I mean, sort of sad. If she thinks her marriage broke up, that's what she said, right? It's like one of the things, because she couldn't get a cushion to put under her stomach.
[00:32:48] Keith: ah
[00:32:51] Mike: like's Like, Like, this is an example of a couple that should have listened to our podcast.
[00:32:52] Keith: Yeah.
[00:32:58] Mike: It's like, what the fuck?
[00:32:58] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, again, I think she's basically searching for a reason to explain some other kind of dysfunction.
[00:33:07] Mike: And by the way, I was, I listened to like five different sex podcasts when driving back from Lake Tahoe this time.
[00:33:13] Keith: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:33:14] Mike: So I was curious and yeah like, man, talk about fake news and misinformation. I just think like these, I don't, I mean, it's, it's like, but this is what people want. This is the thing. It's like one of the problems with misinformation is, uh, that it's, um, it's so seductive.
[00:33:30] Mike: It's what people want to tune into. But man, I know we enrage people with some true talk here, but I don't know.
[00:33:38] Keith: Are we allowed to clip other people's podcasts? Is that?
[00:33:42] Mike: Oh, to like, to like, uh, commentate on them. That could be, I'm sure we could like, you know, if they sued us, it would probably only make us more popular.
[00:33:45] Keith: yeah Yeah.
[00:33:49] Keith: What are you going to see us for?
[00:33:49] Mike: So I think, but it'd been true. I think it's fair use.
[00:33:52] Keith: Come after Yim the Ink and it's zero assets.
[00:33:53] Mike: It's fair use.
[00:33:57] Mike: Sure. I've seen, but I've seen like a video on YouTube where somebody took a scene from Star Wars and commentated it and like guaranteed Disney would have like DMCA'd them if that was any problem. But the fact that they're commentating it makes it fair use, I think.
[00:34:10] Keith: Huh.
[00:34:10] Mike: Right. So absolutely.
[00:34:11] Keith: Okay.
[00:34:11] Mike: I think we could take, uh, I wouldn't be a bad idea actually to take, to listen to one and like, and like, uh, yeah, talk about, yeah.
[00:34:17] Keith: That was my thought and then commentate. Yeah.
[00:34:21] Mike: I mean, some of the stuff they say is fine. Some of it's personal preference, but yeah, there's just a lot of like this stuff where where're it's just, they're just basically prop propagating propagating falsehoods. And it's things like the nature of women's sexual response, the things guys are thinking during sex, like they're just not being honest.
[00:34:36] Mike: Anyway.
[00:34:37] Keith: Maybe we can start beef with, uh, with other podcasters and, um, all right.
[00:34:40] Mike: but Maybe, yeah.
[00:34:44] Keith: You send me a link to this thing called stat bait. And I don't know enough about the chatter bait ecosystem, but yeah, just for reminder to newer listeners, chatter bait is a website for, uh, cam girls to.
[00:34:48] Mike: Oh yeah.
[00:35:01] Keith: go on their webcam and then you can pay them with this weird currency called tokens. And I think a token is 10 cents or one cent.
[00:35:10] Mike: It costs 10 cents to buy. And the, the, and my understanding is the streamer receives five of the 10 cents of the website gets the other five, thus making it a fucking fantastic business.
[00:35:17] Keith: Okay.
[00:35:19] Keith: Yeah.
[00:35:20] Mike: yeah I mean, there's, there's some really rich people out there. I'm sure they're all dudes that are running these and it's not, you know, yeah, there's chatter bay, there's strip, strip chat.
[00:35:24] Keith: Yeah, they're like, they're a pimp basically. um
[00:35:30] Mike: There's a bunch of these things. Um, someone I know used to work for a company that did, um, it's called night flirt. which is like a phone-based, like it's, yeah, it's it's all it's all audio. And that was incredibly, incredibly successful company, I'm sure still is, so.
[00:35:47] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. That all makes sense. Um, but stat bait, I guess shows statistics for the various cameras and.
[00:35:58] Mike: Yeah, it's bait, well, it's for Chatterbait. It's sitting in all the Chatterbait rooms at the same time. And maybe not just chatter bait, actually, now that I look at it. Um, but, uh, and so it's, so it actually gives you like kind of a digest of all the money being paid to people on all the rooms simultaneously.
[00:36:13] Mike: You can so sit there and just watch tokens being given.
[00:36:15] Keith: So does every chat room on chatterbait have like this one user that's in every single room or how do they, huh?
[00:36:25] Mike: Presumably, uh, Either that, or they have some API or some deal with Chatterbait. I mean, i I don't know why Chatterbait would definitely necessarily be opposed to this given that it's basically just free advertising, right?
[00:36:37] Mike: Like, I mean, they're basically saying, look, $22 million dollars has been made on Chatterbait this month.
[00:36:37] Keith: Yeah.
[00:36:41] Mike: Like, what does that do? It makes you want to be a a scam girl. It makes me want to be a scam girl. You know?
[00:36:48] Keith: Yeah, there's a lot of complaints about the data not being entirely accurate. So I don't think they're using an API. I think they're scraping somehow and it's probably kind of buggy, but.
[00:36:56] Mike: Okay.
[00:37:00] Mike: The, uh, yeah, the average tip is almost a dollar, which is interesting.
[00:37:05] Keith: Why?
[00:37:07] Mike: Well, there's another thing I should mention that they, I'm sure they're, go ahead.
[00:37:10] Keith: not and not um I'm not, I don't mean, why is it interesting? I mean,
[00:37:17] Mike: Why are people giving a dollar? That's how I interpreted what you said.
[00:37:19] Keith: Yeah, I really don't. Yeah, I don't understand the compulsion to give a woman on the other side of the internet money for taking her clothes off.
[00:37:28] Mike: Well, the number so the number one streamer right now, the reason I thought you might find this compelling is because my general impression is the most successful ones are the most attractive women. And so you might have fun with that. Like you basically could just yeah pick out them. and and And by the way, there are sites that have recordings of their so of their past streams, illicit recordings, but I think it's hard to stop.
[00:37:50] Mike: And so you could just get some enjoyable porn there, particularly for a man such as yourself that appreciates the most beautiful women. The number one streamer right now actually is Jack and Jill, which is someone I mentioned like a couple of years ago on the podcast.
[00:38:03] Keith: Yeah.
[00:38:03] Mike: they um It's a couple actually that often brings in other porn stars to film with. They also do VR porn. And the guy has a really gigantic cock, and I actually find his wife pretty attractive too.
[00:38:15] Mike: so So I'm not surprised there. Number one, it says they in the last, whatever time period they're covering here, I've earned $38,000. It looks like for about $5,000 a day.
[00:38:27] Mike: Not bad.
[00:38:27] Keith: Huh.
[00:38:29] Keith: Yeah, it's not bad. I would expect the best in the world to make more than that.
[00:38:37] Mike: True.
[00:38:38] Keith: Right?
[00:38:38] Mike: I mean, obviously they have other revenue streams, but yeah.
[00:38:39] Keith: Like I think the, I think, yeah, but this is the the core. um
[00:38:47] Mike: Oh, that's interesting. So they're actually doing a hidden camera show right now. If people heard the beeping in the background, cause I opened it, but importantly, and i I forgot about this, when someone's doing a hidden camera show, the chat still shows the donations.
[00:38:51] Keith: Hmm.
[00:38:58] Mike: So they're able to track those even.
[00:39:00] Keith: What does hidden camera show mean?
[00:39:02] Mike: Yeah. So what they'll do is they'll sell tickets. So you have to put in a certain number of tokens and then they'll, the camera is hidden in the audio or hidden for everybody except people that bought a ticket.
[00:39:12] Keith: I see.
[00:39:12] Mike: And the tickets will typically be like five bucks or something.
[00:39:15] Keith: Okay, so there's the normal gamification and gambling mechanics have invaded even Chatterbait to try to maximally extrude money out of people.
[00:39:27] Mike: Right.
[00:39:28] Keith: Yeah, okay. um Yeah, I think I read that Amaranth, the the Twitch streamer, and she has an OnlyFans now and stuff, but I think she makes like eight into eight figures a year through, but she has a bunch of different income streams.
[00:39:44] Mike: Yeah.
[00:39:46] Keith: um So maybe.
[00:39:48] Mike: I think those i think there i my guess is that that is at a different level and she's doing much better than say Jack and Jill. And and I just think that's because for whatever reason, and I can't can't really explain this, but I think single really attractive women, I i realize you could debate how attractive she is.
[00:40:07] Keith: Yeah.
[00:40:07] Mike: No, Amaranth is pretty attractive. I was mixing her up with someone else.
[00:40:12] Keith: ah She's, she's justy.
[00:40:12] Mike: um
[00:40:14] Keith: ah She's smart and interesting, which is the main thing that helps her.
[00:40:19] Mike: Yeah. But the point I was going to make is just to like, I think that's at a different level and they and they do better than just a couple that are attractive, but are fucking like there's something.
[00:40:27] Keith: Yeah.
[00:40:29] Mike: There's some like emotional access along which if you can rope in guys, you will do even better ah than just having good porn.
[00:40:33] Keith: Yeah.
[00:40:35] Mike: um And that's and that. I actually have a really hard time understanding why an attractive, interesting, whatever woman is going to attract more money than just people, attractive people fucking.
[00:40:47] Keith: Right.
[00:40:47] Mike: Like I would, if I was going to pay for anything and I don't, but if I were going to, I would pay for the latter. I mean, you, you said that you pay for only fans, like which which would you pick between attractive people fucking in, you know, with good porn or like someone who's interesting and the other thing, the Emirates side.
[00:41:01] Keith: No, I prefer, i I prefer the porn, but there's porn on OnlyFans.
[00:41:04] Mike: Okay. No, I know. But I was just like, my general impression is that the interestingness actually is the thing that gets you into like the eight figures. Like there's something, there's some other like X factor or required to, to amp that up. Uh, because most men, there's, there's some other emotional need that I don't, I admittedly don't really understand that men are trying to fill.
[00:41:27] Keith: Yeah, people build these parasocial relationships with women on the internet. Like you've seen these Instagram accounts.
[00:41:33] Mike: Yeah.
[00:41:35] Keith: That's just basically a woman posting bikini photos. And there's always just this like army of dudes, like in the comments, like not even in the in her direct messages, which surely must be a hundred times worse than the comments, but in the comments they're just.
[00:41:50] Keith: So I'm like, oh, like looking great, baby. You know, hello from, you know, Zimbabwe or whatever. And I guess they just like imagine that she cares.
[00:42:03] Mike: Yeah, parasocial what I mean, what is parasocial mean exactly like to you
[00:42:04] Keith: It's, it's. Um, my understanding is it's when. Like it's definitionally one-sided, right?
[00:42:16] Keith: um And it's usually someone you don't know.
[00:42:17] Mike: Okay.
[00:42:19] Keith: I think it maybe has to be someone you don't know, um but it's like it's sort of like an imagined relationship with somebody.
[00:42:27] Mike: Hmm.
[00:42:28] Keith: And it's it's normally like fans with celebrities is this is the standard application of that word, I think.
[00:42:29] Mike: Okay.
[00:42:34] Mike: Uh, so like the old, I mean, they still exist, like the newsstand magazines that women, I assume it's mostly women buy or read, like that kind of thing.
[00:42:41] Keith: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Or like, you know, maybe with the girls and sex in the city, you know, people like sort of imagine that they were like almost in that, that sort of like ah circle of, of gal pals, you know, it's just.
[00:42:53] Mike: Right.
[00:42:57] Mike: Is your intuition, and my intuition would be that that stuff is more compelling the further down you are on the attractiveness, economic IQ spectrum. Like, so people people are, I mean, ah to be rude about it who are kind of losers are more likely, like like say a guy who basically can't get an attractive girlfriend, maybe he's fat, maybe he's ugly, maybe he's whatever, there's something wrong with him, dumb, then those folks are gonna be more likely to do these parasocial things, I'm guessing.
[00:43:10] Keith: Yeah.
[00:43:24] Mike: I don't i don't know if I directly know anybody that does this.
[00:43:26] Keith: Yeah, I think that's probably right.
[00:43:32] Keith: yeah And then, you know, part of being one of these, you know, influencer, tastemakers, content producers is you really do have to engage with your commenters and try to make them feel good because yeah, like from one of these like, you know, weirdos, a whale may emerge.
[00:43:44] Mike: Hm.
[00:43:51] Keith: And so you have to, you know, sort of like groom the lawn so that, you know, somebody who's going to throw a ton of money at you my might emerge.
[00:43:53] Mike: Right.
[00:44:01] Keith: That's sad.
[00:44:02] Mike: Yeah, I mean, there might be somebody who's like the child of child of a successful farmer in like Bakersfield, California or something, so actually who actually has a lot of money and they could throw money at you.
[00:44:03] Keith: The whole thing is bad. yeah
[00:44:11] Mike: Do you think that this, my mental model on this is yes. Do you think this is sort of similar to the group of people that just go nuts over someone like Donald Trump is like sort of the same type of person that like feel like they have a relationship?
[00:44:23] Mike: maybe Maybe Kamala Harris too, but certainly Donald Trump, I'm thinking like it's parasocial in the way you're describing.
[00:44:29] Keith: Yeah, I don't really have, uh, fandom in this way. Like, you know, as you well know, I really liked the basketball player LeBron James, but I don't have like some fantasy about like having dinner with him.
[00:44:45] Keith: Like I think it would be really awkward.
[00:44:45] Mike: There's this other There's this other player ah who has the same last name that plays for the Lakers. It seems better to me. What are they related?
[00:44:54] Keith: and Good one. Yes. He's now playing with his son, although his son has been since brawny.
[00:44:58] Mike: Isn't his name like Ronnie or Brony or brough bro bro?
[00:45:03] Keith: Yeah, his son goes ah up and down from the Lakers minor league team and they're in the major league club.
[00:45:11] Mike: All right.
[00:45:12] Keith: Anyway. um Yeah, but I don't have this, like, ah I don't imagine that I'm his buddy, you know.
[00:45:20] Mike: Yeah, you're following his statistics, his his skills, all that kind of stuff.
[00:45:23] Keith: Yeah, I like having arguments about like, you know, where he is on the pantheon of greatest athletes of all time and this kind of stuff, but i I'm not interested in like, you know, his opinion on the election.
[00:45:24] Mike: It's it's. Sure.
[00:45:34] Mike: Yeah, and you wouldn't, I assume you wouldn't be, like if there was some fluff piece about him, you wouldn't comment and be like, oh, you tell him LeBron, you wouldn't write a comment like that.
[00:45:43] Keith: I've actually stopped reading most of the fluff pieces on him because they're all, you know, they're sort of boring.
[00:45:50] Mike: Well, you you know everything. It would be like me reading the fluff pieces on Taylor Swift, like, what am I gonna learn?
[00:45:55] Keith: You're like, look, I know how many siblings she has. You know, it's not, I'm not going to get any new information here.
[00:45:59] Mike: The the shittiest thing, I'm imagining you might have the same problem with LeBron James, but the shittiest thing for me was when there was the whole thing about the ah AI-generated porn of Taylor Swift that she was complaining about, and Twitter shut down a bunch of accounts, and I couldn't find much of it.
[00:46:17] Mike: and so I imagine the same thing happens with you, with LeBron. right I assume there's AI-generated nudes of him, and you just want to see him with that big hard cock, the pistol, as you call it.
[00:46:24] Keith: There must be, I i did see the nudes, I'm just gonna totally ignore your trolling here. ah but I did see some of the nudes of Taylor Swift and they were like, no, not really.
[00:46:36] Mike: Really good.
[00:46:39] Mike: Let's do that.
[00:46:39] Keith: like that I would like to see the cutting edge notification models.
[00:46:43] Mike: Yeah.
[00:46:45] Keith: I think they're not available to the public because there's just so much legal nonsense.
[00:46:50] Mike: Do you think I haven't I haven't paid?
[00:46:50] Keith: um And whoever whoever is making those models, whoever's making those models doesn't have incentive to use it for porn because it'll just but they'll just be mired in lawsuits.
[00:46:52] Mike: Maybe I should pay for Twitter.
[00:46:56] Mike: Yeah. OK.
[00:47:00] Keith: So maybe they'll use it for the movie industry or something.
[00:47:00] Mike: So you don't think rock to. you know, then Grok 2 will make porn, it probably won't. I'm not willing to pay to find out, but that's the Twitter one that famously is fairly uncensored.
[00:47:11] Keith: I bet it doesn't.
[00:47:13] Mike: Yeah. Yeah, that would, I would be very curious to see that as well. Yeah.
[00:47:19] Keith: It might be basically better than any porn. Like, it yeah, it would be left up to your own. What I really want is I want something like TikTok's algorithm to study me watching porn for a year, and then to start just generating stuff for me.
[00:47:38] Keith: Because I don't think I could describe what I want, but it would know what I want based on what i based on my browsing habits.
[00:47:39] Mike: Agreed.
[00:47:44] Mike: Yeah. There's probably some cyclicality to it. Like you, for one couple of days you like this and then you move on to that.
[00:47:47] Keith: Yeah.
[00:47:50] Mike: And there's like that one day a month where you want Ebony blow jobs or whatever.
[00:47:50] Keith: Yeah.
[00:47:54] Keith: Yeah. And yeah.
[00:47:55] Mike: Yeah.
[00:47:56] Keith: How do you feel about seasonal porn? You know, we're we're starting to get to like the Thanksgiving and Christmas stuff and the porn studios.
[00:48:03] Mike: That's not a thing in my world.
[00:48:04] Keith: You don't, you don't watch, you don't watch professional porn, right? So you don't see.
[00:48:08] Mike: i what ah Okay, why don't you, for our listeners, explain what would an example of a seasonal porn.
[00:48:16] Keith: They'll do something where the girl's an elf or something. and
[00:48:20] Mike: Why would you find that compelling?
[00:48:22] Keith: I don't, I don't, I think it's annoying and I wish they didn't do it.
[00:48:23] Mike: Okay.
[00:48:26] Keith: um Maybe.
[00:48:27] Mike: Yeah, I don't i mean, to me, it's them they're trying I feel like they're trying to inject a storyline to make themselves feel better. Like, I don't think that, I don't, yeah, the viewers, I guess I would be interested to see, but okay, here, on Pornhub you can see they have a little graph kind of that shows you on the timeline what most people watch and they're right.
[00:48:45] Keith: Yeah.
[00:48:47] Mike: Like the crowd is watching the right set of stuff. So I feel like I'm normal in that regard.
[00:48:49] Keith: Yes.
[00:48:51] Mike: Like, no, I'm not, I don't like scroll over to the part no one watches and watch it. I know that part's not compelling, so.
[00:48:56] Keith: Yeah.
[00:48:57] Mike: Yeah, so this elf stuff is not appealing to anybody. I'm sure seasonal porn gets less views and to the extent it gets views, it's the hardcore pounding part or whatever, like the coming in her mouth part that's getting the views.
[00:49:06] Keith: Yeah. Maybe it's for the morale of the actors. It's like, Oh, okay. You know, we're going to do some Christmas stuff now.
[00:49:14] Mike: Yeah, it might they might find that like they don't have to pay them as much or something if they let them act a little, and they can sort of fool themselves into thinking they're going to get into Holly.
[00:49:14] Keith: Although.
[00:49:17] Keith: Hmm.
[00:49:21] Mike: I mean, I'm sure all of the porn star women essentially, if they could, would become normal film stars.
[00:49:26] Keith: I'm sure.
[00:49:26] Mike: That's what they actually want. Yeah.
[00:49:28] Keith: Yeah.
[00:49:29] Mike: So so you like oh you know this in this role, you'll have the chance to act a little bit, and then nobody watches that part.
[00:49:30] Keith: Um,
[00:49:36] Keith: there's a number of podcasts by former porn stars now, and I've listened to a couple of them there.
[00:49:42] Mike: Mm-hmm.
[00:49:45] Keith: Like you were saying earlier, they're just not very good.
[00:49:48] Mike: Well, I think they've done a lot of drugs usually. That was one of the things I noticed when listening to other sex podcasts is some of them, you have to turn it off immediately because they're, they're just incoherent people.
[00:49:57] Keith: Right Yeah
[00:49:57] Mike: Uh, they're, they're yelling kind of these loud. It's just not, they're, they're, they're obviously not, they're, they're stupid and they don't, they, they probably use too many drugs and lower their IQ still further.
[00:50:09] Mike: So. I do think, by the way, that if there were, when there is, I guess, an AI that will generate pornographic video, i think that they should I think I should be one of the early people they give it to. I think I'd be really good at coming up with AI porn scenarios for it to generate.
[00:50:30] Keith: I think you would be good at coming up with preposterous scenarios.
[00:50:34] Mike: I don't know, man.
[00:50:34] Keith: I'm not sure. I feel like an LLM coached on the existing oeuvre of porn could do better.
[00:50:43] Mike: Well, fair enough. Fair enough. Okay, fine. They should coach it on my very my increasingly successful subreddit, curated amateur porn, which has been as more and more is getting recommended to people in the NSFW 411 subreddit, ah getting close to 50,000 subscribers now.
[00:50:52] Keith: Okay.
[00:50:59] Keith: That's great.
[00:51:02] Mike: So yeah.
[00:51:02] Keith: Jesus. You're going to become a...
[00:51:05] Mike: I get so many Reddit messages every day just saying, who is she? Love those tits. Oh, by the way, that's like the, you know what?
[00:51:10] Keith: Right, right.
[00:51:11] Mike: I didn't think about this before, but that's exactly what you're wondering about is people that put, I can connect to them. Yes. I get comments constantly from guys saying the shit you're basically talking about.
[00:51:17] Keith: Oh, right.
[00:51:21] Keith: Right.
[00:51:21] Mike: Like, yeah, if I pull it up here, I could read some, I mean, it's just, it's, it's all shit like that.
[00:51:25] Keith: Well, in half the time, men think that that but the people posting it
[00:51:27] Mike: Yeah. Who is she?
[00:51:31] Keith: They think that the person posting it is the person, right?
[00:51:33] Mike: is the person. Yeah. like Very nice. Here's one. ah You can see he curves to the left. Like what? Absolutely incredible. Amazing fucking beautiful, beautiful woman.
[00:51:43] Keith: Who writes these comments?
[00:51:43] Mike: Holy shit, this got me hard.
[00:51:44] Keith: Like why do they do this?
[00:51:47] Mike: Yes, I want my pussy stimulated. Whose come was that? His or hers? Like just, it just goes on and on. Like I have thousands of these.
[00:51:54] Keith: Right.
[00:51:56] Keith: You why do they, who are the people that comment on porn?
[00:51:56] Mike: Anyway, I don't know.
[00:52:01] Keith: I mean, I guess we have a little bit of insight into this because the the people who reach out and give us feedback are normally a bit weird or degenerate in some way.
[00:52:08] Mike: A little awry.
[00:52:09] Keith: Yeah.
[00:52:09] Mike: That's right.
[00:52:10] Keith: Yeah. Um, okay. I've had this, uh, post, uh, for a while and we haven't got, okay. What is it? It's called like undelete.
[00:52:23] Keith: You remember, so that the post has been deleted off of Reddit. I love when people post something and then, you know, it hits the front page and they realize that maybe they did hide the identifying information that they ah perhaps should have.
[00:52:38] Mike: Yeah, so the problem is that they ah because Reddit eliminated their public API, it stopped, removed it, and there were various ones like that.
[00:52:38] Keith: um
[00:52:49] Mike: There is something called Undit.
[00:52:50] Keith: Yep, that's what I'm using, and i've I have recovered this post.
[00:52:52] Mike: Okay.
[00:52:54] Keith: So this person says, I can come timely while masturbating, but always a hassle when I'm having sex with someone.
[00:52:54] Mike: Good.
[00:53:01] Keith: If I'm spending an entire day at home, I can masturbate 15 times a day. I don't come late. All functions are healthy and normal. I think he means ah he comes in like a reasonable amount of time.
[00:53:13] Mike: Okay.
[00:53:14] Keith: When it comes to sex, I fail to come timely. I come so late that often I don't really come myself. I make my partner come and then I give up trying. Uh, both males.
[00:53:23] Mike: Yeah, that's because we're beating off and orgasming 15 times a day.
[00:53:25] Keith: Yeah.
[00:53:26] Mike: We go on, yeah.
[00:53:27] Keith: Yeah, I thought it was because I often masturbate, so I decreased it, but even if I didn't masturbate at all for 24 hours before I have sex, it's still the same.
[00:53:29] Mike: Yes.
[00:53:35] Mike: He's like like, I didn't beat off in the last 12 minutes.
[00:53:35] Keith: What could be the problem?
[00:53:39] Mike: I should be fine. 24 hours.
[00:53:41] Keith: 15 times?
[00:53:44] Mike: Yeah.
[00:53:45] Keith: I really have been meaning. I've said this before, I've probably said this on the show before, but I want to go like without masturbating for like four days and then just like spend a day masturbating as many times as I can.
[00:53:57] Mike: Oh, you wanna, I thought you were gonna say something else. You wanna see how, okay, like you, and what, he would I mean, I guess we could have, yeah, I mean, it would be fun.
[00:54:03] Keith: My guess is seven. My guess is seven.
[00:54:08] Mike: I would be willing to participate in a bet about this. The problem is that, A, you have all the information, including you could just lie at every stage you could lie.
[00:54:18] Keith: Yeah.
[00:54:19] Mike: So I wouldn't know. I'd be interested in participating in a bet, but I guess I would like it if you had a girl that I sort of trusted measuring, uh, how many times you orgasm so I could check that.
[00:54:30] Keith: Is there something we could do with a hashed timestamp so I could take a picture of of all of my loads with, okay.
[00:54:34] Mike: I don't think so.
[00:54:38] Mike: Dude, I do not want to see pictures of your loads. I hear you. I hear what you're saying, but no.
[00:54:43] Keith: And we could have a third party who could tolerate that. Uh, yeah, wait, i I've got it here.
[00:54:46] Mike: Oh, Ali could do it.
[00:54:48] Keith: Yeah, I've got it here. We need some sort of hash timestamp thing so that I can show, so that I can you know demonstrate that it was created and then.
[00:54:54] Mike: I mean, I think the person has to be with you because otherwise you could take an old picture and upload it.
[00:54:59] Keith: Oh, that's true.
[00:55:01] Mike: But yeah, I mean the the Ali would probably be willing to do something. like It would be question of whether you are willing to participate with Ali. um
[00:55:09] Keith: I think that might drop my load count if she's going to be around.
[00:55:14] Mike: Why having a woman around with lower your load count. Can you double click on that?
[00:55:19] Keith: I think it would just be awkward having her sitting there with her notebook.
[00:55:24] Mike: Well, she doesn't have to, she could just, she could, she could do work in another room at your place.
[00:55:27] Keith: coming when I'm done she can make sure that I've that I don't have like a cup with with secret sperm and then it's tricky I need to be in like a ah cell without any you know windows or whatever to make sure that I don't speak
[00:55:31] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. It's hard.
[00:55:39] Mike: to, I mean, I'm, I'm okay with the honor system. Generally, the problem is I don't even, when you say you think you could do seven, I can't even evaluate. Okay. Here's what we could do. I would trust you on the honor system for everything.
[00:55:51] Mike: And then yeah, you pick a number and then I pick higher or lower. I guess I'd be fine with that because I can just basically based on your age and health and so forth, I i can decide what I think is possible. Like seven is a lot, um, for anybody, but I think for you at your age and so forth this is, is,
[00:56:02] Keith: Yeah. It is.
[00:56:06] Keith: Right. The reason why i'm I'm eager to do this sooner than later is, yeah, I mean, you know, and you're only middle-aged once.
[00:56:12] Mike: Right.
[00:56:12] Keith: You gotta get on it here.
[00:56:15] Mike: i thought I actually thought you were going to say something else to not masturbate for, what you said four days, but a while, and then have partnered sex and see how quickly you can come. I thought you were going to say that.
[00:56:24] Keith: Hmm.
[00:56:26] Mike: Because i'm I'm guessing that that, given your masturbation frequency, like this questioner, that's an issue as well, right? You probably would have difficulty coming in under three minutes or something.
[00:56:37] Keith: Yeah, I could, I think, I think I could come pretty quickly if, yeah, I don't know.
[00:56:45] Mike: without using your hand?
[00:56:49] Mike: So PIV, like, actually this is a good question.
[00:56:51] Keith: Right.
[00:56:51] Mike: Like given your current masturbation tendencies, how fast do you think you could come in PIV?
[00:56:59] Keith: Is it a partner I'm like extremely excited about?
[00:57:03] Mike: Let's say it's a partner you've had sex with five times. So yes, but not like over, not not the first time.
[00:57:06] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're right. It's probably a few minutes.
[00:57:12] Mike: Hmm. Yeah, I think that's like the main aging related thing. I do think that when I was like say 20 in any situation, I could have come in like two minutes.
[00:57:22] Keith: Yes. Yeah, no doubt.
[00:57:24] Mike: Yeah.
[00:57:26] Keith: Yeah, and unfortunately sometimes too.
[00:57:29] Mike: Right. The, yeah.
[00:57:30] Keith: Although, as we've discussed at Nalsim on this podcast, they don't care. if If you do that every time maybe, but.
[00:57:38] Mike: the The thing actually the thing that's this is another one where like the kind of received wisdom from our fucked up culture is wrong. The actually bigger problem for a woman is if you're pumping away for 45 minutes.
[00:57:49] Mike: So lasting a long time actually is sort of problematic in most cases. It's more problematic because it's like now what she's supposed to do like she's chafing.
[00:57:54] Keith: Right.
[00:57:57] Mike: It's kind of awful. What is the longest you've ever pumped away in a woman?
[00:58:04] Keith: Uh.
[00:58:04] Mike: I think for me it's probably like 20 minutes and then we gave up. but
[00:58:06] Keith: ah Yeah, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, ah but at least I like to imagine myself. I'm pretty sensitive to the problem of like the woman just being like bored. um And so, yeah, like at some point you got to shit or get off the pot.
[00:58:23] Keith: Like you can't, I think so, yeah.
[00:58:23] Mike: So you'll just give up pretty quickly. So what percentage of the time do you just give up?
[00:58:29] Keith: It's low.
[00:58:30] Mike: Okay, because, okay, given your willingness to give up quickly, I was thinking maybe it happens a lot.
[00:58:30] Keith: I'm able to rejoin as them most times.
[00:58:36] Keith: No, no, no, no. No, I think I have like the i've felt i've a fairly well calibrated um orgasm timeline, I think.
[00:58:46] Mike: That's good.
[00:58:47] Keith: But, you know.
[00:58:48] Mike: And it's typically like eight minutes or 10 minutes or something of thrusting sort of normal.
[00:58:51] Keith: Yeah, that sounds right.
[00:58:54] Mike: Okay.
[00:58:55] Keith: Yeah.
[00:58:58] Mike: It would be, it would be interesting if you did this competition with the, however many orgasms you can do, then for you to have partnered sex and see how quickly you could come.
[00:58:58] Keith: All right.
[00:59:07] Mike: And we could have a second bet about that.
[00:59:08] Keith: Do I have to do that the same day or like the next morning? Because, yeah.
[00:59:12] Mike: the same day. You fucking nut as many times as you can and then at the end of the day, you you have some girl who's game and you have to fuck her.
[00:59:19] Keith: I mean, that's a big ask of the girl.
[00:59:20] Mike: I think, I guess as you couldn't.
[00:59:22] Keith: It's like, you know, my palms are all hairy. You know, I've been inside all day just resting and like, you know, eating the right things, you know, drinking lots of water.
[00:59:28] Mike: It's awesome.
[00:59:33] Mike: Right.
[00:59:33] Keith: ah but
[00:59:34] Mike: Look, honey, I've taken you on a trip ah to Europe or wherever Asia around the world.
[00:59:38] Keith: Right, right.
[00:59:39] Mike: We've done so many things together. we We care about each other. I just have this one dream. I want you to help me fulfill.
[00:59:44] Keith: Right. It's like the godfather calling in his favor. ah Yeah.
[00:59:50] Mike: yeah
[00:59:51] Keith: Yeah. I mean, at some point it almost like hurts to have an erection, right? Cause your, your dick is like sort of sore.
[00:59:55] Mike: Sure.
[00:59:59] Keith: Um, do you know, do women refract more slowly as they age?
[01:00:06] Mike: I think it's really hard to answer a question like that because there's, ah frankly, because there's so much falsehood around this stuff. so I don't, I don't know the data, but like, I think my guess is this is almost unresearchable because women just lie is the wrong word.
[01:00:11] Keith: Yeah.
[01:00:17] Mike: Like it it's just, women are encouraged to and say weird things about these topics. So like even knowing how long the average refractor, my, my baseline guess would be women's refractor periods are around the same as men's.
[01:00:24] Keith: Yeah.
[01:00:29] Mike: I know people don't think that. I know that like, Oh no, they come five times in succession, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah My guess would be that's not true.
[01:00:37] Mike: um Men's, men obviously have a stronger refractory period. That for sure is true. Like men, women don't like totally not want sex necessarily or not, you know, become disinterested like men do.
[01:00:45] Keith: Yeah.
[01:00:47] Keith: Yeah, I'm just curious if the length of that period increases as when an age like it does for men.
[01:00:50] Mike: It probably does.
[01:00:56] Keith: Yeah.
[01:00:56] Mike: Yeah. I mean, like logically it probably would.
[01:00:59] Keith: And I wonder... I wonder if I had this porn device that I was describing earlier that's been like trained on my habits and know what knows what I've seen lately. So it knows like what will like maximally be interesting the next time.
[01:01:13] Keith: You know, if I had like the perfect porn for this, if I could, you know, if my normal number of times I could masturbate in a day was six and that could get me up to eight or something.
[01:01:24] Keith: I'm curious.
[01:01:24] Mike: Do you I mean, I assume I mean, you could take that to his logical conclusion. If you got to masturbate with a different and not a different novel woman sort of playing with herself in front of you in person, like you you were you're like a sultan and have a harem, then it would probably get up like significantly higher, right?
[01:01:36] Keith: Right.
[01:01:40] Keith: Yes. I mean, I think there's been research about this.
[01:01:43] Mike: Yeah.
[01:01:43] Keith: Um, I don't know what it would be. Um, but the the thing that you would want to do is you want to orgasm as quickly as possible because you don't want to waste any time or energy or like. Dick hardness.
[01:01:55] Mike: Right.
[01:01:55] Keith: Yeah. You just want to go as quickly as possible. So like finding women to be game for that experiment could be tricky.
[01:02:02] Mike: Yes. Oh, well, sure.
[01:02:03] Keith: They're being like maximally objectified.
[01:02:03] Mike: Sure. You would have to pay them.
[01:02:07] Keith: Yes, but that might make it less useful as a way to get an orgasm out me as quickly as possible. Like I need them, I need to believe that they want, you know, they want to be there.
[01:02:15] Mike: Right.
[01:02:19] Mike: Well, this goes back to the, uh, something we discussed many episodes ago where you and I could go to a bar and I could have women that I've paid to have sex with you and you don't know.
[01:02:28] Keith: Yes.
[01:02:29] Mike: So it's like to you, they're not prostitutes, but they are.
[01:02:29] Keith: Yeah. It has to be right.
[01:02:33] Mike: Yeah.
[01:02:34] Keith: Yeah. and Yeah. But importantly, I need to believe it.
[01:02:37] Mike: Right. Which by the way, like guys should do this for each other. Like this, this is a thing, like.
[01:02:44] Mike: It's a pretty good gift.
[01:02:44] Keith: Yeah.
[01:02:45] Mike: It's a pretty good gift.
[01:02:45] Keith: Yeah, it really is.
[01:02:45] Mike: If you're going to, if you have a a really good guy friend and like he's been having a hard time or whatever, like this is it. Yeah. and like And you just pay the woman to like, yeah, just have sex with him say four times. And then she, Oh, I had to move out of town or whatever.
[01:02:56] Mike: Like, but, but the point is he never knows.
[01:02:57] Keith: Right. Right.
[01:02:59] Mike: And he's just going to have this great experience. He has no idea what happened.
[01:03:02] Keith: Yeah, it's just this incredible fling, although it might break him for the rest of his life.
[01:03:03] Mike: Yeah.
[01:03:06] Keith: He may think think that this is like a normal thing and be seeking that forever more.
[01:03:09] Mike: That's a fair point. But even then he'd always look back on it with like fondness. Um, I guess you could always break the glass and tell him the truth if it was fucking him up.
[01:03:13] Keith: Yeah.
[01:03:17] Keith: Right. If it breaks them. Yeah.
[01:03:18] Mike: Yeah. Um, but like it is, I mean, speaking of Christmas and the holiday time and so forth, like this would be, this is the, gift this is the gift guys actually want.
[01:03:26] Keith: This is what you wanted, your white elephant.
[01:03:26] Mike: Here you go. This is what men want for real.
[01:03:29] Keith: yeah um All right, that'll do it for this episode of Your Mileage May Very. You can send us feedback or questions at ymnvpod at gmail dot.com. That's ymnvpod at gmail dot.com. We pay $10 for any and all feedback received. ah Let us know if you went Venmo or PayPal or whatever you like. Thanks for listening, and we'll catch you next week on Your Mileage May Very.