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Episode 195: Bidet Aggression, Coochie Water, Clitoral Science, Sydney Sweeney’s Russian, Workplace Lactation Hacks

Team YMMV | 2-7-2025 | 1:07:17

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This week, we've some discussion of aggressive bidets, the science of clitoral measurements, and why Sydney Sweeney may or may not be fluent in Russian. Mike shares his experience installing a high-end toilet seat that may or may not be waging psychological warfare on his anus. Keith explores the concept of malicious compliance, specifically how a government employee might secretly be helping birth control access by following bad orders too well. Meanwhile, Ally regrets mentioning that airport breastfeeding pods exist because now Mike is brainstorming ways to misuse them.

We also break down the latest entry in the "songs that make Ben Shapiro furious" genre, dissecting the lyrics to Fat, Juicy, and Wet with the kind of forensic rigor normally reserved for congressional hearings. What exactly is "coochie water," and why is it being autographed? Did the songwriter fully grasp the anatomical implications of their rhymes? These are the questions that matter, and we bravely attempt to answer them, only to become more confused in the process.

Later, we examine a listener’s personal crisis, which starts as a question about losing her sex drive and ends in an existential conversation about whether orgasms are like hunger (or, in Ally’s case, an optional theme park trip). Mike is irritated by the fact that women don’t always want sex, Keith makes a sweeping generalization about men, and Ally tries to explain why sometimes the effort of getting naked is just too much. This leads, naturally, to a discussion of the OKCupid age-attraction graph and a thorough analysis of whether men are hopelessly deluded about their chances with 21-year-olds. The answer: yes, but hope springs eternal.

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  • [00:00:01] Keith: Hello, and welcome to Your Mileage May Vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is often controversial, but mostly in good faith. I am Keith, my co-hosts are Mike and Ali. Hello, guys.
  • [00:00:10] Mike: Hello Keith.
  • [00:00:10] Ally: Hey.
  • [00:00:12] Keith: um Ali, you followed up on a dimensions thing that you had had on your to-do list for a while. Can you expand on that a little bit?
  • [00:00:24] Ally: Oh yeah. Well, so we got a listener who asked to follow up on this. Can I read the listener question?
  • [00:00:29] Mike: Sure.
  • [00:00:31] Keith: <unk>t Go for it.
  • [00:00:32] Ally: He said, I was wondering if there was any follow up to a few weeks back when you asked Ally to measure her clit. I was pretty curious if you could give an update on that. So I did measure it back in October, and I think we didn't talk about it on air. The measurements are approximately half an inch long, a little less than a quarter inch in diameter, and about an inch and a half from the top of the vaginal opening.
  • [00:00:53] Keith: Okay.
  • [00:00:53] Mike: what's the so how and Can you just describe quickly how you did the measurements of each ah of each ah dimension there?
  • [00:01:01] Ally: uh yeah um supine with a ruler like using my phone as a camera um so like i we've talked about this a little bit before but like i kind of represent it as the top knuckle of the pinky finger like you could think of it as that so you know from the base to the tip you know as close as you can get i guess the bottom of the ruler to the base like that's how i measure length and i measure a diameter just like
  • [00:01:01] Keith: Calipers.
  • [00:01:29] Ally: line the ruler like across the tip. And I understand that the tip is going to be a little bit um smaller in diameter than the base, but not by much.
  • [00:01:36] Keith: thinner. Yeah.
  • [00:01:38] Ally: you know It's like like a gummy worm or something.
  • [00:01:39] Mike: Okay. So there's a thing I know about here that I think we've talked about on the podcast before. um I asked chat GPT about it. There's a thing called the CV distance, which is the clitoral vaginal distance, and which has been studied in relation to vaginal orgasms.
  • [00:01:51] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:01:54] Mike: ah particularly by Dr. Helen O'Connell and Dr. Elizabeth Lloyd. I know that Allie likes citations. Okay.
  • [00:02:01] Ally: I do.
  • [00:02:02] Mike: Now they say, and Allie also is very good with the metric system, so she's going to help us out in a second, that the CV distance has a lot to do with whether you're going to have vaginal orgasms. Now, it gives two distance between the clitoris and the vagina, which is one of the things you measure.
  • [00:02:12] Keith: What is the CV distance?
  • [00:02:16] Ally: Oh, so how do they measure that?
  • [00:02:17] Keith: the Where? I mean, the vagina is a large thing. to big but tough The top of the vaginal canal or what? what
  • [00:02:25] Mike: Uh, so I'm asking, while I'm asking it how to do that exactly, let's just get to the the the meat of this. So this is what Ali thinks she measured.
  • [00:02:30] Keith: OK.
  • [00:02:32] Mike: Um, and I'll wait a second. I'll tell you what, how, how chat GBD says to do it, but it says that it gives two categories, short CV distance and longer CV distance. And the key break point is between is at 2.5 centimeters, which is how many inches Ali?
  • [00:02:46] Mike: Is that like one inch?
  • [00:02:47] Keith: About one and a half.
  • [00:02:48] Ally: I don't know.
  • [00:02:49] Mike: I think it's one inch actually isn't, isn't a centimeter is 2.54 centimeters per inch, I think.
  • [00:02:52] Ally: Yeah, it's 0.9 inches. Yeah, 0.98.
  • [00:02:54] Mike: Okay, so you are on the longer side, right?
  • [00:02:58] Ally: Yeah, 1.5 inches is 3.8 centimeters.
  • [00:03:00] Mike: Okay, so chat GPT says that women with the small distance less than 2.5 centimeters are more likely to experience vaginal orgasms from penetration alone. um This is for obvious reasons, the clitoris, which extends internally is more easily stimulated.
  • [00:03:10] Ally: That makes sense.
  • [00:03:12] Mike: Okay. And for people like you, Ali, it says it may require additional external collateral stimulation. Sucks for you. um And then in terms of how to do it, ah it says you need to identify the key places, which are your vaginal opening, which I think you're able to identify, ah just below the urethral opening and the clitoral glands, the head of the clitoris.
  • [00:03:32] Mike: And then you take a ruler or a tape measure, guessing not tape measure, that sounds risky, between the bottom edge of the clitoral glands and the top edge of the vaginal opening, which I'm guessing was is what you did.
  • [00:03:32] Ally: Mmhmm.
  • [00:03:43] Ally: Yeah, that's...
  • [00:03:44] Mike: Okay.
  • [00:03:44] Ally: yeah.
  • [00:03:45] Mike: So I only have one other anatomical question here about this, and it relates to the diameter.
  • [00:03:48] Ally: Mmhmm.
  • [00:03:50] Mike: So are you able to put a ruler across the the actual tip of your clitoris?
  • [00:03:55] Ally: yeah
  • [00:03:56] Mike: Because you pull back the hood and you can sort of do that.
  • [00:03:57] Keith: What do you mean?
  • [00:03:58] Mike: Like it's like ah like ah like an eraser on a pen or pencil, I mean.
  • [00:04:01] Ally: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like a pencil erasers are good.
  • [00:04:02] Mike: I don't want to get boring here, but one other question.
  • [00:04:03] Ally: yeah no
  • [00:04:05] Mike: Can you like put your clitoris in in your and between your fingers and like roll it around like I could with a pencil eraser? Like is it, is it separate from your body in a way that you can do that?
  • [00:04:13] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:04:15] Mike: Or is it kind of attached on the, well, you know, like I can, I can take a pencil.
  • [00:04:15] Ally: Roll it around. It's attached at the base for sure. I mean, yeah.
  • [00:04:19] Mike: No, no, but I can take, like I'm showing a pen here, I'm showing a pen here and I have the thing that clicks the pen open and closed and I can put it between my fingers and roll back and forth.
  • [00:04:22] Ally: um't Yeah.
  • [00:04:27] Keith: Yeah.
  • [00:04:27] Mike: Is that possible for you with your clip?
  • [00:04:29] Ally: I can roll my fingers back and forth.
  • [00:04:29] Keith: I don't think you could get to the underside.
  • [00:04:30] Ally: I'm not, I'm not like, I'm not rolling clip back and forth, like.
  • [00:04:32] Mike: This is the question. It roll your, okay. So it won't, it won't rotate.
  • [00:04:36] Keith: i have ah I have an analogy here that will be useful. On the underside of our tongue, there's that like flap flap of flesh that sort of attaches the underside of your tongue to the roof, the roof of your mouth.
  • [00:04:40] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:04:46] Keith: So you can't, I mean, the tip of your tongue before that flap begins, you could sort of roll around with, but eventually you get that flap. And so you couldn't really roll around. Is there something like that flap that attaches the clitoris or does it protrude out in a full cylinder?
  • [00:05:05] Mike: We don't know. We want to know.
  • [00:05:06] Ally: It's really more like it protrunes out as a full cylinder. It's like, again, with like the tip of my finger, like, yeah, i can I can take it between my fingers and I can roll my fingers, but I'm not separating the finger from the joint.
  • [00:05:11] Mike: So you could.
  • [00:05:17] Ally: It's like it's fully attached in one solid sort of column, but I can i can grab either side of the column, but I'm not like dislocating it in any way.
  • [00:05:20] Mike: Okay. And your, and your clit won't turn.
  • [00:05:26] Mike: Okay. Well, so you can give a woman or a man, I guess would normally be a titty twister, which is where you,
  • [00:05:31] Ally: A tiny, tiny hand job or something, yeah.
  • [00:05:33] Mike: But you can you can grab a nipple and you can actually hold onto it and turn it and the nipple will go with the fingers.
  • [00:05:34] Keith: Right.
  • [00:05:38] Mike: You cannot do that with your clip without massive pain. Or maybe it's just impossible.
  • [00:05:43] Ally: um
  • [00:05:44] Mike: Like you're unscrewing it.
  • [00:05:47] Keith: I haven't tried.
  • [00:05:47] Ally: Well, I haven't tried that. I don't think I could.
  • [00:05:52] Mike: Like that.
  • [00:05:53] Ally: No, I don't think it's as um separable as the nipple.
  • [00:05:55] Mike: Okay. Okay.
  • [00:05:57] Keith: Like you can't with a finger, right? Like it it doesn't really twist.
  • [00:05:59] Ally: Right.
  • [00:06:00] Mike: Yeah. I hear that.
  • [00:06:01] Ally: Yeah. Yeah.
  • [00:06:01] Mike: That makes sense. I think maybe, I mean, look, the, I know the answer is you could, because obviously you could, you could break your finger, but it sounds like, and most of the time you'd probably don't want to touch your clip with an unlubricated finger anyway.
  • [00:06:06] Ally: and Oh, well.
  • [00:06:12] Mike: So like you'd want it to be slippery, right? Otherwise like you're in the cruising for a bruising, so to speak.
  • [00:06:15] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:06:17] Mike: Okay. Okay.
  • [00:06:19] Ally: like
  • [00:06:20] Mike: I mean, you realize like a guy's cock, you can spin like that. Right. And actually can be sort of pleasant, pleasant to take your cock and sort of turn it.
  • [00:06:26] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:06:26] Keith: No, you cannot. No.
  • [00:06:29] Mike: Wait, what? you definitely can you can like you know what an Indian burn is where you where you grasp someone's arms yeah where you grasp somebody's arms and you twist your hand what your their forearm and you twist your hands in alternate directions so then it really hurts you can do that to your cock
  • [00:06:34] Keith: um Like an Indian rug burn?
  • [00:06:36] Ally: yeah
  • [00:06:38] Keith: Yeah.
  • [00:06:47] Keith: Yeah, but it hurts because it doesn't really twist. In fact, and there's much less give on
  • [00:06:50] Mike: road
  • [00:06:53] Keith: the penis skin than there is on the arm skin. Well, at least for me.
  • [00:06:56] Mike: hey oh that's that i agree well for you but But hang on, if you have a flaccid penis, you can absolutely spin it like almost 360 degrees. So it's like upside down.
  • [00:07:03] Keith: Oh boy, 360.
  • [00:07:05] Mike: Right? Well, at least 180. Let's just call it 180. Let's not get too crazy here.
  • [00:07:10] Keith: Hold on.
  • [00:07:11] Mike: He's going to try. you definite Let me tell you, Ali, you can do this. Ali knows this. Have you done this with a guy's cock? You probably have, Ali.
  • [00:07:15] Ally: no
  • [00:07:16] Keith: I got to move in to make sure I'm not going to be on the camera here.
  • [00:07:16] Mike: Oh, you can turn it.
  • [00:07:16] Ally: No, I know you can twist the balls.
  • [00:07:17] Mike: Sure. Well, twisting the balls is actually riskier because you could get some testicular torsion, right? Like kind of get it all tangled up in there.
  • [00:07:24] Keith: Yeah, 180 is definitely doable.
  • [00:07:25] Mike: I wouldn't do that.
  • [00:07:26] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:07:27] Mike: Okay.
  • [00:07:27] Keith: I don't know about 360.
  • [00:07:28] Mike: All right.
  • [00:07:28] Keith: Let me see.
  • [00:07:29] Mike: so the and and yeah So that was why I thought maybe the click could do that too. ah Actually a genuine question. I was ignorant.
  • [00:07:33] Ally: No, it it's not long enough for that, yeah.
  • [00:07:35] Mike: It's too short. Okay. Okay. There's just not enough meat. Okay. i think I don't want to get too deep into this because last time it got boring. So let's leave it there. Too much clit talk.
  • [00:07:46] Keith: ah Okay. okay um And I believe, Mike, you have a bidet update for us.
  • [00:07:53] Mike: Oh yeah, so we discussed bidets, and part of the reason I was interested in the discussion, I think it was last week, was um because I had purchased one of these toilet seat bidets. They're produced by a company called Toto if they want to shout out. and They're like 400 bucks on Amazon. Anyway, um and I hadn't installed it because it turned out our toilets didn't fit it, so we had to replace all of our toilets.
  • [00:08:15] Mike: separate story there. Now we have it in and I'm here and ready to answer any questions you have about the experience with a toilet seat bidet. Or do you want me to give a short over overview?
  • [00:08:25] Keith: OK.
  • [00:08:25] Ally: Is the water cold?
  • [00:08:26] Mike: Okay, it has this one plugs into the wall, which means I have to install an outlet in the appropriate place in the bathroom, which I haven't done yet.
  • [00:08:27] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:08:34] Mike: So there's currently an extension cord running to our toilet, which is kind of lame, but okay, I'll get there.
  • [00:08:38] Ally: ah
  • [00:08:38] Mike: ah The water, it it warms the toilet seat as well as the water.
  • [00:08:43] Ally: Okay.
  • [00:08:43] Mike: But, but, but it only has a certain amount of water at warm. So that way, if you run too much water, it starts getting colder and colder. So you have like, how much?
  • [00:08:50] Keith: How much?
  • [00:08:50] Ally: Okay.
  • [00:08:51] Keith: ah How many seconds or moments do you get of nice warm water?
  • [00:08:56] Mike: Probably 30. And it shoots, it it has different modes.
  • [00:08:58] Keith: Oh, wow. Seems like enough.
  • [00:09:01] Mike: This is the one that Wire, no wait, the toilets recommended by Wirecutter, but it's like one of the recommended ones by Toto. People can find it online. It has a remote control, so it has different modes. And it ah the main mode is kind of a laser of water that is aggressive, I would say.
  • [00:09:19] Ally: for me.
  • [00:09:19] Mike: It's able to move back and forth. You can you can have a setting per person so it knows where your anus is, like front, back. And then there is a separate will woman button that if you push it, it irrigates the area in front of your anus, which for me is just like squirts water at my nuts.
  • [00:09:33] Mike: So it's not great. I don't use that setting.
  • [00:09:36] Keith: Is there risk of it just shooting water up into the air if you don't if you're not seated properly?
  • [00:09:36] Mike: um
  • [00:09:40] Mike: Yes.
  • [00:09:41] Keith: Okay.
  • [00:09:42] Mike: I think it detects the pressure on the toilet seat. And I think this, because this one, when you first sit down, it releases a small amount of water into the toilet bowl, uh, so that your poop won't stick.
  • [00:09:54] Mike: They really thought of everything.
  • [00:09:54] Keith: Huh.
  • [00:09:54] Ally: Interesting.
  • [00:09:56] Keith: That's really clever.
  • [00:09:56] Mike: Yeah.
  • [00:09:56] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:09:59] Keith: Living in the future here.
  • [00:09:59] Ally: Do you feel cleaner?
  • [00:10:00] Mike: Yes. What's that?
  • [00:10:03] Ally: Do you feel cleaner now that you're using it?
  • [00:10:05] Mike: Okay, a couple things about that. it ah it So there's first question of like, should you wipe your butt first or use the bidet? I've just been using the bidet directly, but then I wipe obviously.
  • [00:10:16] Mike: And it does have a thing that like hot air that like is supposed to dry off your anus. ah I have noticed, however, that like after running it for like 30 seconds and wiping, there may still be material there.
  • [00:10:27] Mike: So a cleaner, yes, I think, but not it's, I don't think you could just do this and not use toilet paper.
  • [00:10:28] Ally: Hmm.
  • [00:10:31] Ally: Okay.
  • [00:10:32] Mike: That would be impossible. or it would be ah and unadvisable.
  • [00:10:34] Keith: tone Doesn't the toilet paper that you use get sort of torn up and leave live little flakes?
  • [00:10:42] Mike: Well, no, because I use the drying mechanism to dry, which gets it like basically dry before I do that. Yeah. No, you're right.
  • [00:10:47] Keith: ah Interesting.
  • [00:10:48] Mike: If I did not, if I only did the water and then I swiped with the toilet paper, I think it would be, frankly, a disaster. I've not done that.
  • [00:10:55] Ally: yeah
  • [00:10:55] Keith: Flaky. Yeah, we can't have that, obviously.
  • [00:10:57] Mike: Yes. the i mean I will say this, like to the extent that there are people on the podcast that are into anal stimulation, it definitely does stimulate your anus. so I know.
  • [00:11:09] Keith: I think the thing that's supposed to be best for men is not the anus itself, but the prostate. So you gotta, you're gonna have to go go deeper to really have the ah ah good good.
  • [00:11:20] Mike: Yeah.
  • [00:11:23] Mike: I would not say it's that it's like pleasurable. It's just aggressive. It's aggressive. Um, so I, I don't know.
  • [00:11:28] Keith: Is there
  • [00:11:30] Mike: It's fine. I'm not sure it was worth the money. Like it's fine to my anus.
  • [00:11:32] Keith: any potential for damage?
  • [00:11:36] Keith: Yeah.
  • [00:11:38] Mike: I don't think so. Although it is, it is hard. It is a harder stream is very narrow, hard stream of water. and It is a harder stream of water than I expected when I, when I first used it, it was more aggressive.
  • [00:11:50] Mike: So.
  • [00:11:50] Keith: What happens if you how is a
  • [00:11:51] Ally: Do you have a water flosser? Like a water pick?
  • [00:11:54] Mike: I do, but I haven't used it yet. I was recommended one by the dentist and I did get it like actually a month ago, but I haven't used it.
  • [00:11:57] Ally: Oh, okay.
  • [00:12:01] Mike: I actually, I do floss daily with normal floss though, so I'm not a monster.
  • [00:12:04] Ally: Oh, yeah, no, I was wondering if the stream of water is similar in hardness, in pressure to the water flosser.
  • [00:12:05] Mike: I'm not a monster. Don't know. I will try it and know well I'll get back to you on that.
  • [00:12:11] Ally: Okay.
  • [00:12:13] Mike: I'll try, actually, I'll yeah i'll do one better. I will shoot the water flosser at my anus. Actually, I might do that.
  • [00:12:17] Ally: Thank you, thank you.
  • [00:12:18] Mike: I'm not sure about that.
  • [00:12:19] Ally: Okay.
  • [00:12:20] Keith: I can't imagine a battery operated water flosser being nearly the same pressure as this plug-in extension cord when you turn it on, the lights dim in the house because it draws too much current.
  • [00:12:24] Mike: It's ridiculous. It's true. It's true. Yeah.
  • [00:12:34] Keith: i think it's I think it's a different order of magnitude there. now if you got a bunch of water up your asshole. So it's now in like the lower part of your colon, I guess.
  • [00:12:43] Mike: Yeah. yeah
  • [00:12:45] Keith: Does it slowly drip out? Or can you like immediately um distend your asshole and then it'll come out on its own? Or like what what happens?
  • [00:12:54] Mike: i have not i have not I've not had that happen, but I've worried about that because yeah because it feels like it could be doing that.
  • [00:12:59] Keith: I mean, women.
  • [00:13:02] Keith: Yeah, because women of course have this issue with semen, right? Like, you know, it gets up there and then, you know, it's sort of a pain for the next hour or whatever.
  • [00:13:08] Mike: Ali said it was six to 12 hours, I think, didn't you, Ali?
  • [00:13:10] Keith: it
  • [00:13:13] Keith: i've I've heard similar numbers too, yeah.
  • [00:13:14] Ally: Yeah, it can take a while and to drip out, but it's also stickier. It's a more viscous fluid than water.
  • [00:13:20] Mike: But you like it right because it reminds you of like your subjugation to this man.
  • [00:13:21] Ally: i think
  • [00:13:25] Ally: Right, yeah.
  • [00:13:27] Mike: You're like, oh.
  • [00:13:27] Ally: I think with water, if you bore down, you could just get it to come right back out if it was an anus.
  • [00:13:33] Mike: I think that's probably right. But i but in fact, it has not done that to me.
  • [00:13:35] Keith: I don't know.
  • [00:13:37] Mike: so
  • [00:13:37] Keith: I don't know. I mean, we've all had diarrhea. Sometimes you go and you think you're done and then you know you go back to what you're doing and then just a couple of minutes later, suddenly you have to go again.
  • [00:13:48] Keith: um I don't know.
  • [00:13:50] Mike: You know, I did have some worry about this, this topic.
  • [00:13:50] Keith: I'm curious about this.
  • [00:13:51] Ally: That's a good point.
  • [00:13:53] Mike: and And I also don't know on the female setting if there's any risk of it shooting water up into your vagina. I don't think that's likely.
  • [00:13:59] Ally: Hmm.
  • [00:14:00] Mike: Does that seem likely as an issue, Ali? Or do you think it would just immediately come back out? Like if you take a bath, do you ever stand up from the bath and like just a bunch of water comes out your vagina?
  • [00:14:11] Ally: No, I think it is.
  • [00:14:12] Mike: Okay. Or like a swimming pool.
  • [00:14:14] Ally: It's. Yeah, so it's not open like that.
  • [00:14:18] Mike: Right. Okay.
  • [00:14:19] Ally: um I haven't.
  • [00:14:19] Mike: That's what I figured.
  • [00:14:20] Ally: Yeah, I haven't had that experience.
  • [00:14:22] Mike: But you could maybe open it like that. You could put like some kind of a speculum inside you and then get, and then you become some sort of repository for chlorinated water.
  • [00:14:27] Ally: Yeah, if you manually opened it, right, then you could.
  • [00:14:30] Mike: Right.
  • [00:14:31] Ally: but
  • [00:14:32] Mike: I saw a woman on Chatterbait actually who was very attractive, but all you could see on Chatterbait was her vagina. And she was, all she was doing was just spreading her vagina for like 20 minutes straight.
  • [00:14:45] Mike: Um, and I was surprised. at the level of anatomical detail that was visible in there. It was sort of interesting. And i did I couldn't tell whether she had some device in there holding it open. I mean, because it was not just the opening that was open. like you You could really see deep into her, which made me think that there must be some device that she'd put in there, like some kind of inner tube or something that was keeping it open.
  • [00:15:08] Ally: Yeah, like a stent.
  • [00:15:08] Mike: um
  • [00:15:09] Keith: Hmm.
  • [00:15:09] Ally: yeah
  • [00:15:10] Mike: She had a lot of viewers and the thing that was funny was like, you look at it and you have no idea how attractive she is. Cause all you see, I could tell she was thin, but that was it. And then I, so I, I looked up her username and like, yeah, it's a very attractive woman, but I couldn't tell her attractiveness from her vagina, her vulva at all.
  • [00:15:25] Mike: So that's true.
  • [00:15:27] Keith: You might be able to tell whether they have good skin.
  • [00:15:31] Mike: ah Keith would get into, there was a guy on there who was very concerned that she was going to dry it out by doing this. He's like, you gotta get some water on that sweetie. And he kept telling her hun.
  • [00:15:40] Keith: hu
  • [00:15:40] Ally: but no
  • [00:15:41] Mike: Get some lube on that hun. It's really weird.
  • [00:15:43] Keith: All right, I wanna move on, but I just wanna ask one last thing about the bidet.
  • [00:15:44] Mike: All right. Yeah.
  • [00:15:46] Keith: So is the experience that when you turn it on, you just clench your asshole to stop water from getting up there?
  • [00:15:53] Mike: No, no, actually, I think it's quite the opposite. But I just think I think i I'm just like, I don't contrary to some suggestions made on this podcast, I don't engage in anal play. So I think I do have a tight asshole. Slim anus, as they call it.
  • [00:16:06] Keith: I bet you're subconsciously clenching.
  • [00:16:09] Mike: I don't think so.
  • [00:16:12] Keith: Okay.
  • [00:16:12] Mike: But you know, there is like an inner sinker there.
  • [00:16:12] Keith: Well, just keep paying attention and you can report back next week.
  • [00:16:14] Mike: Okay, I will. All right.
  • [00:16:16] Keith: All right. This person is a 25 year old female.
  • [00:16:16] Mike: Okay. Wait, hang on, hang on, hang on. Do we want to talk about these lyrics for a second?
  • [00:16:21] Keith: Oh yeah. What is that song called?
  • [00:16:22] Mike: Okay. So there's a song that came out called Fat, Juicy, and Wet. And Keith, you said that a podcaster, Ben Shapiro, a conservative podcaster was ranting about this. Do you want to say anything about what he said about Fat, Juicy, and Wet?
  • [00:16:31] Keith: Yeah.
  • [00:16:33] Ally: and
  • [00:16:33] Keith: ah What did he say? He said that, uh, it makes WAP, which was a wet ass pussy by
  • [00:16:39] Ally: Oh, he hated that too, yeah.
  • [00:16:41] Keith: Yeah, was that Cardi B? Did did WAP? I think it was Cardi B.
  • [00:16:45] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:16:46] Mike: Sounds right.
  • [00:16:46] Keith: Anyway, he says it makes WAP look like ah baby, it's cold outside. So this fat, juicy and wet is okay.
  • [00:16:52] Mike: i so I said that it was just like biological. Yeah. And you said that what I said was similar to what he said.
  • [00:16:59] Keith: Well, he was just very upset. He thinks this is a clear indication of the deterioration of American culture and blah, blah, blah.
  • [00:17:05] Mike: Wow. Okay. It's gross, but yeah mean I don't think it's a deterioration of culture. It just shows that no one listens to this like new pop music. Everybody's listening to Pink Floyd. like It's sort of over. Okay. So there were some lyrics in here that I wanted to bring up. so
  • [00:17:18] Keith: I don't know if that's true, by the way, but go on.
  • [00:17:19] Mike: ah that everybody's listening to Pink Floyd, I hope they are, they should be. Maybe Lionel Richie, I don't know. Okay, throw my legs throw my legs back, eat my booty from the front, milk mustache on your face when I come.
  • [00:17:34] Mike: Okay, what is producing the milk mustache? I don't actually understand the lyric, I'm sorry.
  • [00:17:40] Keith: I mean, I've noticed this um in porn, of course. You know, sometimes it gets a little frothy down there. So maybe that, I don't know what causes that froth.
  • [00:17:50] Keith: I think, here's my running theory. I think some women's lubrication when agitated, you know, like egg whites, if you, if you stir them for long enough, they sort of get a little frothy.
  • [00:18:03] Keith: I think some women's lubrication can be like that.
  • [00:18:05] Mike: Okay.
  • [00:18:06] Keith: And and and maybe, yeah, go ahead.
  • [00:18:06] Mike: Okay. But okay, but hang on. Okay. So he throws her legs back.
  • [00:18:10] Keith: That's the mustache creator.
  • [00:18:11] Mike: He throws her legs back and eats her booty from the front. So that's her butthole, right? So he's, he's doing anal ingust.
  • [00:18:15] Keith: Yes.
  • [00:18:16] Mike: Okay. And he's got her legs back. So he he's sort of, his nose might be in her her vagina. Okay. But when she comes, he's got a milk mustache. Wouldn't his tongue have to be on her clip when she comes?
  • [00:18:27] Mike: So wouldn't the milk mustache have to be coming from something above her clip?
  • [00:18:32] Keith: Does the clit secrete anything during coming?
  • [00:18:36] Mike: Well, it would have to be above the clit though.
  • [00:18:36] Ally: No.
  • [00:18:38] Mike: The milk mustache would be have to be coming from her like sort of pubic hair area.
  • [00:18:41] Ally: No, I think this is implying that she comes while he's still licking the booty from the front.
  • [00:18:47] Mike: Oh, so this woman is maybe masturbating while.
  • [00:18:50] Ally: Sure.
  • [00:18:51] Mike: So is the milk mustache actually like diarrhea?
  • [00:18:54] Keith: no
  • [00:18:55] Ally: No, I think he's saying like that part would be like at the level of the vagina.
  • [00:18:55] Keith: No.
  • [00:18:59] Mike: Got it.
  • [00:18:59] Keith: Yeah.
  • [00:19:00] Mike: So the tongue is in the butthole is kind of nose and mustache area. Okay. Okay. That's good.
  • [00:19:05] Keith: Aren't our near our vagina adjacent.
  • [00:19:06] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:19:06] Mike: Um, I take it.
  • [00:19:09] Ally: I think so.
  • [00:19:10] Mike: I take it. You've never done this, uh, this one.
  • [00:19:13] Ally: Oh God, no, no.
  • [00:19:14] Mike: Okay.
  • [00:19:16] Mike: Okay. Then she, another thing.
  • [00:19:17] Keith: ah Okay, so he's got the mustache, then what's the next stanza?
  • [00:19:18] Mike: Okay. Go on. Yep.
  • [00:19:22] Mike: Well, no I'm not, I don't want to go, because there's some of it's just boring, but she says, squirt in your mouth, squirt on your bed, coochie water autographed, signed sexy red.
  • [00:19:33] Keith: sexy red is the name of the, of the artist.
  • [00:19:33] Mike: So this woman, yeah, this woman squirts in a way. It's like drawing a guy drawing in the snow with his pee. She squirts her autograph.
  • [00:19:40] Keith: Yes.
  • [00:19:42] Mike: The idea is she's squirting her autograph with her squirt.
  • [00:19:45] Keith: I think, I think autograph is a metaphor, you know, like she has like a sort of a fingerprint that is her squirt pattern.
  • [00:19:48] Mike: Okay.
  • [00:19:53] Mike: Okay. Okay. And on a, on a, uh, disgustingness level index from one to 10, how disgusting, like for me, uh, the notion of eating someone out that term, I find like a 10 or a nine, how far up there for you is coochie water as a term?
  • [00:20:09] Mike: Like, is that a term you ever would use? Coochie water. Like Ali, did you use that? Like when you were little, did your, somebody say to you, Oh, is your, how's your coochie water?
  • [00:20:16] Ally: no
  • [00:20:19] Ally: and No, it is not a term I would use.
  • [00:20:19] Keith: I don't know if i've
  • [00:20:19] Mike: Okay. So it's not a little girl term. but
  • [00:20:21] Ally: I don't find it disgusting. It's kind of funny. ah I guess so, yeah.
  • [00:20:26] Mike: What is that lubrication again, or?
  • [00:20:27] Keith: I don't know if I've ever said the word coochie before. I just tried it out for the first time.
  • [00:20:30] Mike: Me either.
  • [00:20:31] Keith: Coochie.
  • [00:20:32] Mike: Yeah.
  • [00:20:33] Keith: Huh, coochie.
  • [00:20:33] Mike: Okay. Okay. Uh, so, so is coochie water in this case is like a pop culture way of saying squirt.
  • [00:20:35] Keith: Sometimes shortened to cooch.
  • [00:20:42] Mike: Okay. Let's just assume it is. All right. All right. That was it. I just wanted to bring up those lyrics. I mean, the whole thing is pretty gross and not very compelling, but, uh, she, like this the squirting thing.
  • [00:20:51] Keith: Do you speculate that ah sexy red also is a little bit confused about the difference between urine and squirt?
  • [00:20:53] Mike: Yep.
  • [00:21:00] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:21:00] Mike: i know I don't know, because I think women... This is what's confusing about that whole thing is the women know, man. I mean, they're like, wait, I had to pee. Then I had sex and squirted and now I don't need to pee. Like they i they must sort of know what's going on in a lot of cases in porn. They're having to push out the pee. So, but yeah, to the extent of urinary incontinence, they're not sure what's going on down there. Like maybe, yeah, i don't look, I mean, I think if you're going to be like the world's grossest rapper, it'd be cool to be like um anatomically correct. Like, you know, I don't know.
  • [00:21:33] Ally: We didn't like R. Kelly already have a song about peeing on the bed. like Isn't that his thing?
  • [00:21:37] Mike: Did he?
  • [00:21:38] Keith: Oh, is this plagiarism?
  • [00:21:40] Ally: R. Kelly's into peeing. That's what I know.
  • [00:21:44] Mike: Uh, yeah, it's, uh, uh, according to actually PT, it's likely called heaven. I need a hug or he references an incident where he peed on the bed.
  • [00:21:51] Ally: Huh.
  • [00:21:53] Mike: It was a 2003 album.
  • [00:21:55] Keith: Hmm.
  • [00:21:56] Mike: So there you have it.
  • [00:21:56] Keith: He's ahead of his time.
  • [00:21:57] Mike: How is that? Um, Ali, is that cause you're, are you an R Kelly fan or a bed peeing fan? How did you know that?
  • [00:22:04] Ally: I guess I was an R. Kelly fan, maybe at the end of high school or whenever a Trap in the Closet came out.
  • [00:22:09] Mike: Oh, so you actually would have liked being one of his victims. Is that?
  • [00:22:13] Ally: No, I wouldn't say I'm a fan of being peed on. i I thought his music was funny.
  • [00:22:16] Mike: No, no, but wasn't R. Kelly the one that was pursuing underage women? Is that, did I miss him?
  • [00:22:21] Ally: Oh, yeah, that too.
  • [00:22:23] Mike: So you would have potentially found that compa- like you, like you, you wouldn't have felt victimized if when you were 16 you had sex with him and he was power whatever age. That would have been cool, potentially.
  • [00:22:32] Keith: Maybe not ad hoc, but probably post hoc.
  • [00:22:34] Ally: Maybe not him particularly, but that scenario would have been fine.
  • [00:22:36] Mike: OK, you wouldn't know. All right, all right, all right.
  • [00:22:41] Keith: um
  • [00:22:41] Ally: My fun fact of the day is that Ebenezer R. Hoare was an American politician, lawyer, and jurist from Massachusetts who was U.S. Attorney General from 1869 to 1870, and his brother was George Frisbee Hoare.
  • [00:22:55] Keith: What are those names?
  • [00:22:56] Ally: so
  • [00:22:58] Keith: Ebenezer Hoare.
  • [00:22:59] Ally: Ebenezer Hoare.
  • [00:22:59] Keith: And he was nominated for Supreme Court, but rejected by the Senate.
  • [00:23:00] Ally: I love it. Yeah.
  • [00:23:02] Keith: I think we discussed before we started recording.
  • [00:23:04] Mike: Because of his name. Yeah, Chief Justice Whore.
  • [00:23:05] Ally: You know, yeah, the whole court could have been so good. yeah
  • [00:23:10] Keith: ah What could have been. um All right.
  • [00:23:12] Mike: That's actually that that that that WAP song, I think it starts out with there's a whore in the house or something.
  • [00:23:16] Keith: WAP.
  • [00:23:17] Mike: WAP, my bad. And ah just so you know, the word whore has been in the English language for over a thousand years.
  • [00:23:18] Keith: Yeah.
  • [00:23:21] Mike: So it's not like like when he was named, then that name came into prominence. Everybody knew what it meant.
  • [00:23:27] Ally: Okay, good.
  • [00:23:27] Keith: Right.
  • [00:23:28] Mike: So.
  • [00:23:29] Ally: Okay.
  • [00:23:30] Keith: Okay. All right.
  • [00:23:30] Mike: All right.
  • [00:23:31] Keith: We're going to finally move on to this person who can't come anymore. She's 25. She says, I used to have a very high sex drive and could easily make myself come on an almost daily basis without even any ah video audio mental stimulation.
  • [00:23:43] Keith: It just happened so easily. Now, a few months out of a messy relationship, I've lost the ability to come. For context, I developed many insecurities in that relationship. Those insecurities became self-hating fetishes.
  • [00:23:54] Keith: It took me a while to stop giving into the urge to get off on these harmful thoughts. For example, getting off to women I deem better than me or thoughts of men cheating on me. Unfortunately, despite having stopped indulging in what I consider to be sexual self-harm, I haven't been able to rediscover my old, normal self. There have been many times recently when it should have happened but it's impossible to finish. I feel like a disappointment to myself and to others. If I'm with someone, they will eventually give up trying. My sexuality was such a huge part of me and now I feel disconnected from my body.
  • [00:24:22] Keith: I don't know myself anymore. I've lost touch with what makes me feel good. I don't even want others to focus on my pleasure because I don't want to waste their time. Has anyone been through something similar and recovered? If so, how? I feel so broken and abnormal.
  • [00:24:36] Mike: So her orgasm was a weapon before and she, it isn't anymore.
  • [00:24:39] Keith: I guess.
  • [00:24:40] Mike: That's, she would come to someone she hated. Is that sort of what she said?
  • [00:24:47] Keith: No, she would come to women she thinks are better than her or to thoughts of men cheating on her.
  • [00:24:55] Mike: Oh, okay. Close, close enough though. Huh. I've never thought about masturbating while thinking about something that upsets me. I think I would just like lose my erection.
  • [00:25:05] Keith: Well, to be fair, she admits that this was ah maybe not the best or most healthy pattern.
  • [00:25:08] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:25:14] Ally: I mean, there have been a few questions this weekend and last, where I think the answer is just that this person needs to like, go to therapy, or like, think through some of their conceptions of their self, but are of themselves, but like,
  • [00:25:28] Ally: When, when thoughts, if, if you have some kind of intrusive thought while you're masturbating, don't you just immediately try to put it out of your mind and like refocus on something good. And it seems like she would lean into the sort of intrusive thought.
  • [00:25:41] Mike: what What, what, give an example, like what intrusive thoughts do you have all masturbating? Oh,
  • [00:25:45] Ally: Uh, like if you start thinking about like work or something or, um, checking the mail, I don't know.
  • [00:25:53] Mike: oh that's okay. Okay. Playing chess. Yeah.
  • [00:25:58] Ally: yeah exactly
  • [00:25:58] Keith: i This is actually really hard for me to relate to. If I went, for example, a week without orgasming, and I don't think I've gone a week without orgasming since before high school, but if I did somehow,
  • [00:26:11] Keith: I don't think any kind of negative thoughts could stop me from doing the needful. Like I would just be so ready to orgasm that it would just happen.
  • [00:26:19] Ally: Yeah,
  • [00:26:21] Keith: And so this experience that a lot of women have, some women apparently don't have an orgasm their entire lives.
  • [00:26:25] Ally: exactly.
  • [00:26:28] Keith: um And sometimes I think that's maybe a fear of even trying to learn the mechanical um skills necessary to do so, but some women know how to do it, but just are unable to.
  • [00:26:41] Keith: and um ah like this woman, for example. And that's that's very hard as's as a man like myself to to relate to.
  • [00:26:52] Mike: Can you relate to that alley? When was the last time you went a week with that orgasm?
  • [00:26:58] Mike: Never.
  • [00:26:58] Ally: I mean, honestly, it might have been like this week. aye
  • [00:27:02] Mike: Wow.
  • [00:27:03] Keith: Thanks, Trump.
  • [00:27:03] Ally: Well, okay, so like, yeah. Well, when I'm on my period, I don't masturbate as much or sometimes I don't masturbate at all because it's like messy. And similarly, I sometimes just choose not to have sex because it's messy. um So that could easily explain a week. um But no, I find that it's something that kind of feeds on itself. It's not like hunger where pretty predictably, like, you know, every day at around noon I get hungry for lunch or something. It's like if I'm having sex more or masturbating more or like thinking about sexy things, I then want it more and then do it more. But if I'm not, ae it can kind of lie dormant for a long time.
  • [00:27:46] Keith: That's a good analogy.
  • [00:27:46] Mike: I really hate that.
  • [00:27:47] Keith: i think I think it is like hunger for me.
  • [00:27:50] Mike: Yeah, I was going to say the same. Yeah, I really don't like that women are like that. It's really irritating.
  • [00:27:57] Mike: it's because it's just like what fun is that like okay so if you have a period where it lies dormant as you described at some point during that period don't you think to yourself wow like there's this thing that like it's pretty awesome that like doesn't you know is not illegal bad for me etc that I'm just totally not doing like it never occurs to you to just be have fun you're like nah I'm just gonna have my life be shitty I'm sorry I'm being aggressive a little bit but I mean
  • [00:28:18] Ally: Um, yeah, no, I mean, I, I can, I can think about it and it doesn't hold the same kind of allure. Like I can understand that if I started doing it, I would enjoy it, you know, and it would ultimately be pleasurable.
  • [00:28:30] Ally: But, um, I guess it's like thinking about, you know, like I could go to Six Flags right now and like, yeah, when I'm on the roller coaster, I'm going to enjoy it. But like that would require getting in my car, driving to Six Flags, you know, like there's other stuff I have to do.
  • [00:28:44] Ally: Like I'm just not going to, it doesn't feel urgent.
  • [00:28:45] Mike: What's the equivalent to driving the car? What's, what's the, is there an equivalent like kind of process required here? Cause I mean, for a guy there isn't, I mean, is it, you have to get in the mood or something.
  • [00:28:54] Ally: Oh, yeah, I guess like, you have to like, take my clothes off and go lie down. And like, if I'm, you know, if I'm at work or something, it's like, okay, I have to go home. and
  • [00:29:03] Keith: I mean, it is a little bit of a hassle.
  • [00:29:04] Mike: Huh.
  • [00:29:05] Keith: We had a topic last week or two weeks ago where a woman described why she doesn't like having sex. And we we speculated maybe she's neurodivergent or maybe um super sensitive to stimulus.
  • [00:29:16] Keith: and yeah you know But it was a little bit unrelatable because the the the upside of having an orgasm is, or having sex, is high enough that it's worth all that hassle. Like, yeah, you do sort of have to like find a quiet room unless, you know, you're into exhibitionism.
  • [00:29:36] Keith: um And, you know, it makes a little bit of a mess and, you know, it takes a bit of time. But for me, yeah, it is like hunger. Like I just, Like it's not like I feel like I need to have an orgasm sometimes or else i I'm not able to like sort of focus sort or return to my previously scheduled programming and It's yeah, it's it's sort of annoying but it feels good enough that it's not really annoying like I think that if I
  • [00:29:55] Ally: Hmm.
  • [00:30:03] Keith: felt this like compulsion to do something and the the nut, the reward wasn't as good, then it would be annoying. But I don't i don't really think of it as an annoying um requirement.
  • [00:30:15] Keith: kind of like it's it's I mean, it's like hunger in that sense, too. like Hunger's a little bit annoying, but eating is so fun that I tolerate it.
  • [00:30:21] Mike: Right.
  • [00:30:23] Mike: ah Allie, in terms of the when you're at work, so ah the play i you know I work at a company in California and a lot of workers work from home now, but you know they at some point, 15 years ago, they installed a room that was the mother's room mother's room.
  • [00:30:42] Mike: And that room was for women to extract milk for their baby from their breasts while at work.
  • [00:30:46] Keith: Hmm.
  • [00:30:47] Ally: Mm hmm.
  • [00:30:49] Mike: and then sometime in the last five years during the Great Awakening, it was determined that ah you don't just have to be a female to have a child. So they changed it to the parents' room.
  • [00:31:01] Mike: okay This is true.
  • [00:31:01] Keith: What? No. What happens?
  • [00:31:04] Mike: And Yeah. Well, the idea is supposed to be the same. It's just they were trying to make it gender neutral way because mother is suggestive of you have to be a female and there are trans men in the world. ah But then I immediately realized, but and I'd realized this before, that you know men have a form of milk they can extract too.
  • [00:31:23] Mike: And this is actually a pretty good place to go do it because you're guaranteed privacy.
  • [00:31:23] Ally: And you're a parent. Yeah.
  • [00:31:27] Mike: It's made to extract a fluid from your body and you're doing a pumping motion. So you might consider that. I bet, I suspect that you have an office where you go where they might have one of these parents or mother's rooms where you could go in and just, you probably don't output any fluid when you do it, but I mean, so the thought accounts.
  • [00:31:44] Ally: Yeah, well, they they have those rooms um on campus, but you have to go and get a physical key. Like you have to sign out a key.
  • [00:31:52] Mike: Oh, wow.
  • [00:31:53] Ally: facilities, so I don't want to.
  • [00:31:55] Keith: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
  • [00:31:55] Mike: And these rooms.
  • [00:31:57] Keith: That sounds like a response to a problem. Like somebody abused the mother's room and they, yeah, they had to like redo the policy that, so now it's under lock and key.
  • [00:32:00] Mike: Oh, somebody put a camera in there.
  • [00:32:02] Ally: Maybe.
  • [00:32:06] Mike: Somebody's, there's some dude hiding in the cabinet. He's like just peeking out through a people. I, they, they did have a schedule. You're right on this one, but it was mostly empty and you could just simply write, scribble something in there and just show up.
  • [00:32:18] Mike: Now, admittedly, if somebody catches you leaving the room, but I honestly, well, you would just say, look, I was just taking a nap or something, whatever.
  • [00:32:22] Keith: That's the thing.
  • [00:32:26] Mike: Like, because they've been forced to make it so generic that it's not clear that the purple, why, why what's that stain on your pants?
  • [00:32:29] Keith: Why are you so flushed?
  • [00:32:32] Ally: Yeah. So they have these pods in the airport. Um, they have like pods for breastfeeding in the airport and someone posted on the unethical life pro tips subreddit that you can use these to like take a nap.
  • [00:32:43] Ally: Like there's no time limit. You unlock the pod using an app. And so if you have like a long layover or an overnight over something, you can just nap in the pod.
  • [00:32:48] Mike: Huh.
  • [00:32:49] Keith: Hmm.
  • [00:32:50] Mike: what's the ah What's the interior of the pod like? Have you gone in one or because you haven't breastfed?
  • [00:32:54] Ally: I haven't.
  • [00:32:55] Mike: Okay.
  • [00:32:56] Ally: No, yeah, I don't know, but I mean, yeah, maybe you're just napping on the floor, but it is still, it's like a lockable little room. It's probably not that much worse than like a capsule hotel.
  • [00:33:03] Mike: is your Ali, is your nipple sensitivity one of the reasons you don't want to have a kid?
  • [00:33:09] Mike: Are you afraid of breastfeeding?
  • [00:33:09] Keith: Apropos to nothing.
  • [00:33:10] Ally: No, I mean, it may be it's on that list, but that's a long list and it's not like in the top five reasons or something.
  • [00:33:11] Mike: It just made me think of it.
  • [00:33:14] Mike: Okay. ah god Okay.
  • [00:33:16] Ally: and
  • [00:33:17] Mike: Okay. I don't know. I knew somebody who didn't want to have a kid because she was afraid of kind of medical procedures, but then ultimately her desire to have a kid like overwhelmed that and cured her of her fear of medical procedures.
  • [00:33:29] Mike: So actually it was like a good, it helped her.
  • [00:33:32] Keith: Well, except that now she has to have a kid.
  • [00:33:32] Mike: So you never know, there can be.
  • [00:33:36] Mike: Uh, yeah, that's true. I mean, she, uh, but yeah, I mean, like, uh, but to the extent that it helped her overcome this thing, that's a positive, right?
  • [00:33:43] Keith: I suppose.
  • [00:33:44] Mike: Bravo.
  • [00:33:46] Keith: That one sounds like a fairly small like you know little thing in your life, and now you have a child forever.
  • [00:33:51] Mike: No, no, it was a big thing. I, I, I had to accompany her a couple of times to, to stuff in like, she was, man, she would, it was not, oh, it was a bad scene.
  • [00:33:54] Keith: I was really anxious about it.
  • [00:33:59] Mike: So, yeah.
  • [00:33:59] Keith: Yeah. um All right. We dance around this, but all right, we're going to get specifically into politics here. So the Trump administration has removed all information on prescribing birth control um from, I think it's the CDC's website, this TikTok here.
  • [00:34:18] Mike: Is there still a CDC?
  • [00:34:20] Keith: ah for now, for now, yeah.
  • [00:34:21] Mike: Okay.
  • [00:34:23] Keith: And yeah, and it used to have a bunch of information about birth control and ah family planning, but um I guess it's been down. Now, I don't know, there's been a lot of issues with of government websites over the last week or so, as Elon and his um cronies, no friends are,
  • [00:34:44] Keith: um
  • [00:34:47] Keith: ah threatening various agencies and I think it's caused.
  • [00:34:54] Keith: i and Well, it's unclear why these websites are going down. it It could be that they're being explicitly shut down or it could be that they're stressed about other things and so not doing their normal thing. But let's stipulate for the sake of this conversation that it has been taken down on purpose and it's some sort of conservative um push to ah discourage people from using birth control. ah How do you guys feel about such an initiative?
  • [00:35:24] Mike: is Is it just information they're removing?
  • [00:35:24] Keith: Let's let Mike go first.
  • [00:35:25] Mike: like yeah are they just removing I don't understand completely what's on the what what was on the website. Was it information or was it like addresses to go get birth control? The reason I asked that is because I mean i just asked Chachi BT, I said, how do I prevent a baby from being in my uterus?
  • [00:35:42] Mike: And it's giving me like it's giving me a lot of information.
  • [00:35:42] Keith: yeah
  • [00:35:44] Mike: And chatgpt, of course, is you know people can just access it at chatgpt.com. um One example, one thing it says is that ah it does say your mouth can't get pregnant, which is true for the most people.
  • [00:35:55] Keith: It says that? I don't believe it says that.
  • [00:36:00] Mike: It said it it it considers that it
  • [00:36:00] Keith: Does the string, if you searched for the string, the mouth can't get pregnant. Does that string appear in the result?
  • [00:36:08] Mike: It doesn't. ah Although I probably could get it to say that it it says that non-penetrative acts avoid the risk of pregnancy, including oral sex.
  • [00:36:09] Keith: That would be amazing.
  • [00:36:16] Mike: And I asked it, can your mouth get pregnant?
  • [00:36:17] Keith: Good tip.
  • [00:36:17] Mike: It said, no, your mouth cannot get pregnant because it can only happen in the reproductive system and the mouth, throat, and digestive system do not have the conditions necessary for conception. So
  • [00:36:26] Keith: Hmm.
  • [00:36:27] Mike: but but really But seriously, what I'm assuming they removed information that wouldn't be just totally generally available, like something that would matter, like Planned Parenthood or ah how to talk to your doctor or something.
  • [00:36:27] Keith: Okay. Good to know.
  • [00:36:38] Keith: Yeah. I mean, look, it's, I should have done a little bit more research before um introducing this topic, but. For the sake of conversation, um let's say this is a yeah you know sort of like the canary in a coal in the coal mine for a larger agenda of conservatism around family planning.
  • [00:36:58] Keith: um
  • [00:36:59] Mike: All right. I have a comment that I'll make. just I'll just make a quick comment. I think this is you familiar with the Streisand effect. So it's the thing where Robert Streisand had her and only her house blurred out from satellite images.
  • [00:37:10] Mike: And then everybody was like, what the what's what's in this one quadrant of the satellite image? And like now everybody really, really knows what her house looks like and where it is and stuff.
  • [00:37:15] Keith: right
  • [00:37:18] Mike: This is like that.
  • [00:37:18] Keith: Right.
  • [00:37:19] Mike: like By doing this, they're actually going to cause way more knowledge about contraception and family planning to be diffused. because like yeah so like whether Whatever they're trying to do,
  • [00:37:28] Keith: right' There'll be such a hysteria on the left to counteract.
  • [00:37:31] Mike: Oh, yeah. ah And like to these that they actually got rid of anything in an effective manner, people will be like, well, wait, what I want.
  • [00:37:32] Keith: Yeah, sure.
  • [00:37:37] Mike: What does the sponge do or whatever? like People curious what was on that site. There'll be like a huge uptick to like the way back machine to see what was on the site like three years ago, et cetera. So I think it'll be totally ineffective.
  • [00:37:47] Keith: deep Could either of you to forward a case, you don't have to believe this, but could you make an argument for why ah making it harder to get birth control could be positive for American society?
  • [00:38:08] Mike: Allie.
  • [00:38:10] Ally: I mean, no, like i i I don't think they should take down this information. I think they should provide information about getting all kinds of medications, but I mean, there is still a page. I just was on the CDC website. There is still a page that goes through all the different types of risk control. I haven't looked at that page before today, so maybe they did remove additional information or like you said, information on where to get it, but no, I think they should provide that information.
  • [00:38:36] Mike: Yeah. and i mean they like you know i mean I do give money to a charitable organization that um drugs women and forcibly installs IUDs in them. so i mean I think that that can be a good option too to sort of forcibly sterilize people.
  • [00:38:52] Keith: That's great, Mike. I think I can make an argument. I don't believe this argument, but the argument for making family planning more difficult would be something like the birth rate inside the United States is dropping, especially amongst um the affluent and you know the sort of, I don't know, classically American, but some of these rich technocrats imagine, you know I'm thinking of Scots-Irish type immigrants,
  • [00:39:21] Keith: And they want to encourage them to be having more children because they think that that's a superior culture or something, something. um My guess would be that removing this information would have a disproportionate effect on reproduction amongst the people they don't want reproducing.
  • [00:39:32] Mike: Well, I assume,
  • [00:39:41] Keith: So it seems a little bit
  • [00:39:45] Mike: wouldn't that presuppose the people they don't want reproducing would be lit, have literacy, which is a sort of less likely. So like, I don't
  • [00:39:51] Keith: it would or the people advising them would have literacy, yeah.
  • [00:39:54] Mike: Yeah, so it's like it would be more effective to, for example, ban discussion of contraception on TikTok or YouTube shorts or so forth, like something that a person who's a low information, low literacy person. This seems like the least effective possible way to do that.
  • [00:40:08] Keith: Yeah.
  • [00:40:08] Mike: Actually, I think they're just going to get like the teenage girl in Utah who's white or whatever and trust the government. you know so they and That's probably who they want, I'm guessing, reproducing.
  • [00:40:19] Mike: so like yeah I don't think that's going to work either.
  • [00:40:20] Keith: Yeah.
  • [00:40:22] Mike: so I don't even think that's a very good steel man.
  • [00:40:22] Keith: Yeah.
  • [00:40:24] Mike: The whole thing's just stupid, but I think it might actually increase knowledge a little bit because of the Streisand effect.
  • [00:40:24] Keith: Yeah.
  • [00:40:29] Keith: yeah Well, and there's so much going on right now um that this is another just part of the zone being flooded. It's unclear exactly what's going on here or what even their agenda is. so
  • [00:40:40] Mike: I could, I could, I mean, let me just bear with me here for a second, but it would make some amount of sense given Elon Musk's stated desire to spread his seed as widely as possible that he wants to prevent young women from using birth control so he can impregnate them. If they're on birth control, then he cannot as effectively impregnate young women.
  • [00:40:59] Keith: Yeah, I think he could pay people to have children of his if he wanted to.
  • [00:41:04] Mike: Well, this is cheaper, but okay. Yeah. All right.
  • [00:41:07] Ally: i don't I don't know what this website in particular is used for, but like obviously there are other sites that still have this information and you can still go to like the Planned Parenthood website or other websites that would tell you where to get birth and control.
  • [00:41:18] Ally: So there must be some other reason for removing it specifically from the CDC site. like Is the CDC site the only trusted source of information for you know some type of clinical trial registration or something like that?
  • [00:41:28] Mike: Oh, i have i have actually but I have a thing to say about that, actually.
  • [00:41:29] Ally: like
  • [00:41:32] Mike: I've heard this term i've heard it a couple of times before called malicious compliance. Apparently, like they're worried about this, where some bureaucrat will read the order that's been handed down and follow it, even though they know that what they're doing isn't really what was intended.
  • [00:41:46] Mike: It's like they're being too aggressive or whatever, and that's called malicious compliance. When you're like, oh, okay, fine, I'm going to like you know, cut down the tree instead of trimming it or whatever. Like you're doing sort of too aggressive stuff. So maybe this is actually somebody who's like provoking the Streisand effect.
  • [00:41:58] Mike: They're like, oh, I'm going to maliciously comply with this order and remove all this stuff, knowing it'll do nothing. And in fact, actually increase the knowledge out there. So it could, it could be somebody sort of being a ah ah good egg and like maliciously complying here.
  • [00:42:12] Keith: my understanding is that My understanding is that there were more abortions in 2023 than in any other year in the United States.
  • [00:42:12] Mike: And they'll get, they'll get fired, but you know.
  • [00:42:20] Keith: So and that you know that's post the Dobbs decision, right? That returned abortion to the States. So I don't know if there was a Streisand effect there.
  • [00:42:29] Mike: Hmm.
  • [00:42:32] Keith: I think the bigger effect was that mail order birth control became more widely available, um or mail order abortions, I mean.
  • [00:42:34] Mike: No.
  • [00:42:37] Mike: And people wanting to get abortions under the wire. Yeah. People want to have the experience.
  • [00:42:43] Keith: um Okay, this next topic is a little bit um dark, but I'm gonna read it anyway. And I want to have a discussion that hopefully won't come off as tone deaf, but all right. ah She subjects it, he got what he wanted. I gave in, I slept with him knowing it was going against everything I promised myself and God. The moment I tried to convince myself it would make us closer, that maybe he would care for me more, but looking back now, I see how hollow it all was.
  • [00:43:11] Keith: I keep replaying everything in my head and I feel so broken. I hate that I compromise my values. I feel so much shame and sadness, especially because I wanted something deeper and meaningful. The intimacy felt rushed and disconnected. He came thrice and I did all the work. He didn't hold me afterward or show any real tenderness. I remember him jumping up to clean himself right away. He didn't even take my shirt off. I told him to stop moving because it hurt and he continued to thrust. When he drove me home, he said we'd see each other again today. Today is today and he just told me he's still out of town, town but he'll see me soon.
  • [00:43:41] Keith: roll eyes emoji. I just feel so alone and the shame is unbearable. I feel like I gave away something I can never get back to someone who didn't give a fuck. I miss them so much and I just feel so alone and used on top of everything we didn't use protection and now I could be pregnant. Easily the dumbest decision I've ever made in my life. I don't think I'll ever recover from this. Please give me a hug. Um, so I have some thoughts on this. Do you guys want me to start?
  • [00:44:05] Mike: Yeah.
  • [00:44:08] Keith: Um,
  • [00:44:11] Keith: I suspect a lot of women have early sexual experiences that are something like this. Like the man is just not, he just doesn't care. He's just there for the sex. he's As soon as he's gotten it, he's a different person or it becomes clear that they were never really that into them.
  • [00:44:31] Keith: I don't know how to protect women from having experiences like this. I guess they can be you know celibate until they get married, but then if they meet someone that was also celibate, they could just be awful. I think, unfortunately, this is the part that might be insensitive and tone deaf. I think this might be part of growing up for women. It's like having a few experiences like this. and learning to build a better heuristics graph in their mind about how to recognize men and figure out exactly what they want. um And I feel badly that she's in such a low place right now, but I don't know if her experience here is particularly unique. What do you guys think?
  • [00:45:12] Mike: I want to know what Ali thinks.
  • [00:45:15] Ally: It sounds like she's choosing to view this extremely negatively. um
  • [00:45:20] Keith: It does. She's using fairly sophisticated language around some of her complaints as well, which implies that she's done some reading about how she wanted her perfect sexual experience to be.
  • [00:45:21] Ally: i
  • [00:45:32] Keith: Anyway, sorry, ah I interrupted.
  • [00:45:33] Mike: The use of the word thrice was weird.
  • [00:45:33] Keith: Go ahead.
  • [00:45:34] Ally: Thrice, yeah.
  • [00:45:35] Keith: Yes.
  • [00:45:36] Mike: well that's a yeah The word thrice is ah is much, much more common in the English speakingen spoken on the Indian subcontinent, which made me wonder that, but go on.
  • [00:45:43] Ally: Oh, interesting.
  • [00:45:44] Keith: Yeah. Yeah.
  • [00:45:45] Ally: Well, so she says that it goes against her religion, but obviously she chose to do this anyway. And it sounds like she's not acknowledging what made her want to do it at the time or aspects of it that she may have enjoyed or gone along with at the time. So it it does ah sound like, you know, maybe it didn't go exactly the way that she wanted. And now she's choosing to view this as some you know terrible thing that has befallen her rather than like a choice she made that didn't
  • [00:46:14] Keith: Yeah, regrettable decision.
  • [00:46:14] Ally: ah as well as she would have hoped. I mean, yeah. um In terms of whether this is common though, I ah don't think this is common. I think it's much more common that people kind of lose their virginity to like their high school boyfriend, which is, you know, a okay relationship that probably doesn't last your whole life, but it doesn't leave scars.
  • [00:46:36] Ally: And there's a a comedian I like, Jacqueline Novak, who has a bit in her special about basically not putting a whole lot of value on virginity and saying that she always felt like virginity was the house's money and that like you know does't spend it like you you get it for free and it's like you didn't earn it, you didn't work for it. um And I kind of like that view of it. I don't think it's necessarily something that should be prized and guarded against all comers. You know, it's like getting your ears pierced. I didn't see that as like a violation of my bodily integrity. It was like, well, I want to try something new with my ears. And so it's not like my ears are non virgin anymore. There's just like a new functionality.
  • [00:47:15] Mike: Are your ears virgin?
  • [00:47:17] Ally: No, i i I have my ears pierced. um and That's what I mean.
  • [00:47:20] Keith: and She's wearing earrings right now.
  • [00:47:20] Mike: No, I meant has a man.
  • [00:47:20] Ally: like you You could view it as, are they, oh, well, I mean, no, no.
  • [00:47:22] Mike: Has a man put his penis in your ear? OK, OK.
  • [00:47:27] Ally: But you know you know the analogy I'm making. like Yeah, you you get your ears from birth unpierced, but it doesn't mean that piercing them means that you've like lost your you know virgin, unpierced earlobes.
  • [00:47:29] Mike: I do.
  • [00:47:36] Ally: It's like you've just added something new.
  • [00:47:37] Mike: Well, OK, but. But the challenge here is that the woman. The young woman here. Like the thing she would have needed to do is forecast the male behavior and women seem, well, I wanted to, do because this is relevant to it. I mentioned this before the show, but there's this person I know that a woman that I spoke with, she's in her thirties.
  • [00:47:57] Mike: And I just want to read a little bit of, very, very little of a thread. I'm talking to her. I said to her, men are attracted to 21 year olds. There's like a graph that shows this, like at every age, men find 21 year old women the most attractive. ah Whereas at women, as they get older, they find older men more attractive. Okay. And I said, because they're more attractive. And she said, wow, you're joking, right? This woman's in her thirties.
  • [00:48:21] Mike: Then I sent her the graph, and I said, I didn't make the rules. Mother Nature did. And then she said, that supremely grosses me out and makes me happy I'm single. And I said, really? Reality grosses you out? And she said, I don't want to think about it. I'd rather not participate.
  • [00:48:34] Mike: And then we went on, but like, so there's some, like, there's some disconnect here where either women are not curious. Sorry, I don't, that's too general. Some women are not curious about how men think about the world or society is hiding the information or lying to women about men, how men are so that men, and this is, I think it's to Keith's point, are women are forced to have this kind of experience to learn firsthand these behaviors that all essentially all men have, right? Of basically like.
  • [00:49:03] Mike: valuing sex, valuing physicality kind of top, and then the emotional connection a little below, and so then they have these kind of sexual experiences that are kind of shitty. The point being that even if the guy was super nice to her before they had sex, like she wouldn't have been necessarily been able to forecast that he would actually he was not a he that he was basically lying to her, right? And so the point you're you're making about like, oh, valuing your virginity and stuff like that, there's that, but also like,
  • [00:49:30] Mike: you know if She also values just the fact that she thought she had a boyfriend or a relationship with a guy and like he he was on a totally different planet from her. And somehow women seem to habitually, young women seem to habitually not understand that important sex dichotomy. And like I think that like this is a cultural thing where people want to flatten out, particularly, like I guess, feminists want to flatten out the difference between the genders, but this is a really important one that like I think bites women a lot. What do you think about that, Ali?
  • [00:49:57] Ally: Yeah, I think there's a tendency to assume that other people are like oneself and that they're going to have the same reactions or perceptions that one would. When you were telling that anecdote with your coworker, though, I kind of question the idea that women but women's preferences for male age increases with their own age because like male models and male strippers and to a great extent male actors are also in their 20s, maybe early 30s when they're perceived most attractive. So I think it's probably pretty similar that if you just showed women a lot of pictures of naked men that they would also gravitate toward like 20 something guys as as the hottest.
  • [00:50:42] Mike: Yeah, maybe the question that's asked isn't the hottest, but I think Ethan's going to say.
  • [00:50:43] Keith: I don't know. I mean, George Clooney and Brett Pitt are still considered sex symbols and ones in their sixties and ones in their fifties, I think, right?
  • [00:50:53] Mike: It just says here on the graph, the age
  • [00:50:54] Ally: Yeah, but there are outliers.
  • [00:50:56] Mike: says the age that when they look best to the person, which is pretty genative generic, but is basically hottest, I guess. But women are probably, like yeah.
  • [00:51:03] Ally: Yeah, I mean, like how did they get that data? Did they like show them pictures? Or was this based off of like who that who people swipe on dating apps? Because that's complicated by a lot of other factors.
  • [00:51:12] Mike: I think it's showing them pictures, and again and like with with some information, some metadata about them.
  • [00:51:13] Ally: OK.
  • [00:51:16] Mike: But you're right, that like with there's like women, I just think that women are more likely to do like a Venn diagram between just pure physical attractiveness and who would work for them, whereas men are just like, oh, like I'm just gonna tell you who's the hottest.
  • [00:51:29] Mike: and that's li and so men like But when do you think you figured out in your life at what age
  • [00:51:31] Ally: Mm.
  • [00:51:37] Mike: this key gender difference. Like we we agree, like you're not going to disagree that there's a key gender difference here. Some people do, like this person I was talking to yesterday, I think actually would argue this with me. She would say, no, you're mischaracterizing how men are or something.
  • [00:51:49] Mike: she would that It would be a nonproductive conversation. I actually stopped talking to her about it because of that. But do you acknowledge there's like a gender difference here, right?
  • [00:51:56] Ally: yeah
  • [00:51:56] Mike: In terms of like, okay, when do you think you became aware, like clearly aware of that?
  • [00:52:04] Ally: It's hard to say, but I guess around, no, it's not taught, but actually, I mean, the kind of late 90s, early 2000s discussions around feminism and sexualizing of young people in media and in pop music and so on, I think focused on this a lot, that during the time that Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera were very popular, there was a lot of discussion about how like,
  • [00:52:04] Mike: It's not taught in school.
  • [00:52:28] Ally: they were underage during a lot of time that they made their music and they were presented in a hyper sexualized way and a lot of talk about the male gaze versus the female gaze. I remember that kind of dichotomy coming up in discussion around that time.
  • [00:52:39] Ally: So I think this was something that actually was part of kind of the cultural zeitgeist of the time, I guess.
  • [00:52:39] Mike: Hmm.
  • [00:52:46] Mike: When you were a young teen.
  • [00:52:46] Keith: Also, yeah i mean during the late 90s, that was when Sex in the City was debuting.
  • [00:52:47] Mike: Okay.
  • [00:52:53] Keith: and you know It was about the four women in their 30s and they could feel the sands of time slipping through their fingers and you know thinking about marriage and relationships and stuff.
  • [00:53:03] Mike: One of the things I find notable
  • [00:53:07] Mike: Like watching Sex and the City, I found it notable actually how, i've I've watched some episodes relatively recently and it it was notable to me how, well at least the main character or whatever her name is, Grey Bradshaw, like she, her, like the situations that arise, obviously they're comic and so forth, but like they the men's behavior is somewhat somewhat believable, it's reasonable.
  • [00:53:17] Keith: Kerry Bradshaw.
  • [00:53:28] Mike: um But her ability to ah comprehend why the men do the things is like terrible. like She's written as somebody who totally doesn't get it.
  • [00:53:34] Keith: Yes.
  • [00:53:36] Mike: she like She's basically her mental model of men is just women with penises. And Ali, you're saying you basically never had that mental model.
  • [00:53:41] Keith: Yeah.
  • [00:53:43] Mike: but like when you In your first relationship with a guy, you're like, yes, he just wants to insert his penis in me and have an orgasm. And like that may be the end you know maybe all he wants.
  • [00:53:49] Ally: No, no. I think that was that was my perception of like men as a whole maybe or the average man, but I also definitely thought and kind of still think that I choose men who are more abnormal in the sense that they are more like me because ultimately you know I want to be dating like the male version of me and so I am always trying to find someone who's as close to me as possible.
  • [00:53:58] Mike: Okay.
  • [00:54:15] Mike: So like submissive guys.
  • [00:54:18] Mike: No, is that what you mean?
  • [00:54:19] Ally: I mean, this is this is a problem. I do sometimes end up with more submissive guys.
  • [00:54:21] Mike: Yeah.
  • [00:54:23] Ally: But no, in in that particular trait, that's not what I want. But I mean, i I tend to want guys who I think think the way that I do and are going to interpret situations the way that I do and are going to react to things the way that I do.
  • [00:54:36] Mike: Yeah, I think ah the women on the subreddit that I am subscribed to but got banned from long ago, camgirlproblems, are interesting because most of them are young, not all, but most of them are, and they are all deeply confused by the behavior of the guy on their streams. Now, there's some things that confuse me. For example, one woman, like yesterday or the day before, was saying that she just repeatedly, as guys, asked her about, because she has a dog, and he'll look like run across, and and they ask her about bestiality with the dog.
  • [00:55:05] Mike: Um, which actually, like, do you have any theories on why guys are, is it like they're trying to, um, neg her? Is that what that is? Like you're trying to sort of like make a, yeah, like a nagging kind of joke or something. I don't think they really think she's going to suck the dog's cock on stream.
  • [00:55:18] Mike: I think that's against the rules on most platforms anyway.
  • [00:55:21] Ally: No, I think they're probably trying to gross her out or trying to just like get a reaction, right?
  • [00:55:21] Keith: Should hope so.
  • [00:55:23] Mike: ah Okay.
  • [00:55:25] Ally: They just want her to acknowledge them.
  • [00:55:25] Mike: Okay. But like these, this woman was, it's a good example because this woman was confused by it. She like took the guy, it takes the guys at face value. And I'm, I'm positive. I'm basically positive. That's not what's going on. It's the thing you said, Ali, like they're trying to get a rise. Um, but these cam girls, like they're just constantly very confused by the behavior of men on the streams. But like, if you have a better.
  • [00:55:45] Mike: mental model for how men think and behave and why they're there. I think the way men behave is perfectly understandable. And like, when I look at the chat on a cam girl stream, like at all, it's seems pretty normal to me.
  • [00:55:57] Mike: um So yeah, anyway, so like, what what do you think?
  • [00:55:57] Ally: Mhm. Mhm.
  • [00:56:00] Mike: So you think that the the social conversation around like these pot young pop stars sort of clued you into this alley?
  • [00:56:07] Ally: Yeah, and it was presented.
  • [00:56:08] Mike: Just being a very intelligent young lady?
  • [00:56:10] Ally: Well, I mean, it it was presented as both kind of the state of the world and very negative that this was bad for society. It was bad for young women. um It was unenlightened.
  • [00:56:19] Mike: The way men are is bad for women.
  • [00:56:22] Ally: Yeah. um
  • [00:56:24] Mike: Do you think that, though? I mean, that it's just the way men are. Some men are. Men like to beat off to porn and stuff. like We like to objectify women's bodies. right When men watch The Bachelor, we're watching...
  • [00:56:34] Ally: But men are also more violent and that could be bad for society. I don't think it's impossible that the way men are is bad for society. like So many more men are are violent criminals than women.
  • [00:56:40] Mike: Okay.
  • [00:56:42] Ally: like
  • [00:56:44] Mike: i wonder I wonder if women would be sad if they weren't pursued in the way they are by men.
  • [00:56:48] Ally: Yeah. Well, another thing that I find interesting, though, like while I agree with the data you were presenting, like if you think about yourself, like what age do you think you, yourself, were personally hottest?
  • [00:56:49] Mike: like
  • [00:57:01] Mike: of me.
  • [00:57:03] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:57:03] Mike: Keith is his hottest every day. Like it's like, he just like every day he like he has like a a calendar and he just like X's out the previous day and is like has like a little fire fire logo he draws on.
  • [00:57:12] Keith: This is my new hottest day ever.
  • [00:57:13] Mike: That's right.
  • [00:57:14] Keith: That's right.
  • [00:57:14] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:57:15] Mike: um For me.
  • [00:57:15] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:57:16] Mike: ah I mean, it's not 25. It's older than that. ah Probably sometime in my 30s.
  • [00:57:21] Ally: Yeah. And like, I mean, you know, i I could show you pictures of like me at 20 or 21. Like, I don't think that that was the year that I was the hottest, but like, I wonder, you know, how many people when thinking about themselves would say 21 versus some other year.
  • [00:57:30] Mike: Huh?
  • [00:57:36] Ally: Like, I do think it's probably true in aggregate, but I think it does vary a lot person to person.
  • [00:57:37] Mike: Huh.
  • [00:57:40] Ally: Like,
  • [00:57:40] Mike: What was wrong with you when you were 21? Like what? I haven't seen a picture of you then. Did you have like a bigger nose or something or had your breasts not come in?
  • [00:57:47] Ally: No, I had very chubby cheeks. I feel like I still looked childlike.
  • [00:57:51] Keith: know
  • [00:57:52] Mike: Yeah. Guys like that. That's, that's what guys like. You're like, Oh, I, I looked really young.
  • [00:57:56] Ally: But I don't think that's what people picture. Yeah, but I think when people are thinking like a 21-year-old woman, I think they're thinking of like you know Britney Spears or a cheerleader or something.
  • [00:57:59] Mike: ah
  • [00:58:04] Ally: and like I did not look like that. I looked like much more childlike than that.
  • [00:58:08] Mike: Britney Spears looked pretty childlike when she ah burst on the scene. I think she was 17 in the late nineties there.
  • [00:58:14] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:58:15] Keith: I think she was 16 when Hit Me Baby One More Time came out.
  • [00:58:15] Ally: But you know what I mean. like
  • [00:58:17] Mike: Could be, but I mean that like that, yeah, that facial fat and all that, I think is pretty attractive to guys because it's all kind of fertility signaling.
  • [00:58:19] Ally: Yeah.
  • [00:58:25] Mike: ah Of course we don't condone being attracted to women under 18 under any circumstances, but once they had 18, that facial fat is pretty compelling, right?
  • [00:58:26] Ally: Hmm. Okay.
  • [00:58:37] Ally: No, that's interesting.
  • [00:58:38] Mike: Keep staying silent.
  • [00:58:38] Ally: Yeah. Well, I mean, like, like you said, like, if you think it was, you know, closer to 27 or something, like, I think for me, it was probably closer to yeah like 27, 28. But like, yeah, I mean, either,
  • [00:58:48] Mike: Hmm.
  • [00:58:49] Ally: maybe I'm wrong or maybe it's just like it it varies, you know, depending on like like when you mature.
  • [00:58:53] Keith: Yeah, I guess my intuition there would be.
  • [00:58:53] Mike: Interesting.
  • [00:58:55] Keith: that the top 10% of 23 year olds is probably better than the top 10% of 27 year olds.
  • [00:59:01] Ally: Oh, sure. Yeah.
  • [00:59:03] Keith: But like, there's like a sort of smooth and it is smoothing of like 27 year olds know how to groom themselves and you know have more confidence and a little bit of a more like style defined and that kind of stuff.
  • [00:59:13] Ally: Yeah, yeah.
  • [00:59:17] Keith: So yeah, like, yeah, the average 27 year old might be better than the peak, 27 than the peak.
  • [00:59:25] Mike: Yeah, there's a ah woman that I've there's a woman on YouTube that I've watched some videos from who left the Mormon Church.
  • [00:59:26] Keith: You know what I'm trying to say.
  • [00:59:31] Mike: She probably people could probably find her if they looked and she shows pictures of herself. She's like 2029 I think now and she shows video and pictures of herself when she was like 21 and the thing was she was like not taking care of herself then she was like a little overweight like kind of whatever and now she like clearly She just looks a lot better.
  • [00:59:48] Mike: So yeah, I mean, for any individual person, like you could improve your ah personal habits and so forth. But if you were at identical personal habits, it seems likely you'd be more attractive at 21 as a woman.
  • [01:00:00] Mike: For a man, I don't think that's true. I think for men, it's 30s sometime, probably. It's like the ideal for guys.
  • [01:00:06] Ally: Hmm. Hmm.
  • [01:00:09] Keith: Yeah, something about that's when they, you know, like a woman peaks in fertility at like, isn't it like 17 or 18?
  • [01:00:17] Mike: Something like that.
  • [01:00:19] Keith: um
  • [01:00:19] Ally: Yeah, probably.
  • [01:00:19] Keith: so So their attractiveness seems to lag that a little bit or maybe OK Cupid when they generated this didn't, I mean, show people pictures of 17 year olds. Anyway, I don't want to get into that too deeply.
  • [01:00:31] Keith: um But with men, yeah, I mean, that's that's the minimum that they could have.
  • [01:00:31] Mike: Focus on 18 year olds. Yeah.
  • [01:00:36] Keith: But yeah, with men, yeah, maybe they portray strength and ability to provide and safety at some sort of maxima um when they're in their 30s.
  • [01:00:43] Mike: Right.
  • [01:00:48] Mike: And women are going to look at like what is a who's likely to be attracted to me. And they're theyre they know that if a woman's 37, a 22-year-old guy is not going to be attracted to her. and So she's just going to mentally, I assume, do a mental gymnastic to make him not attractive. She'll say, well, that's not realistic or something.
  • [01:01:07] Keith: yeah yeah
  • [01:01:09] Mike: Whereas guys don't do that, guys are, the hope spring's eternal. It's always like, oh, that, you never know, that 20 year old, maybe, like she might, maybe she'll just get off that treadmill in her yoga pants and just come on over to me and be like, hey, what you doing?
  • [01:01:18] Ally: Well, I mean, like.
  • [01:01:18] Keith: maybe she could
  • [01:01:22] Ally: So I've actually never seen like Playgirl, but like are are the male models that they choose for that? Like old, I mean, like how old are they?
  • [01:01:31] Keith: Yeah.
  • [01:01:33] Mike: I think Playgirl is like some sort of weird muscle magazines.
  • [01:01:35] Keith: Yeah.
  • [01:01:35] Mike: I don't think that's and representative of the typical.
  • [01:01:36] Ally: Oh, OK.
  • [01:01:38] Mike: I mean, I think the George Clooney example is a good one. Like just think in terms of who are the most bankable Hollywood male people.
  • [01:01:44] Ally: But George Clooney is like an outlier because he's been an actor for so long. I mean, there are plenty of younger actors, too, that people like. I mean, people like Timothy Chalamet and like.
  • [01:01:51] Mike: Yeah, but even when George Clooney was first successful. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's true.
  • [01:01:55] Ally: Because like, Salma Hayek is still attractive and Salma Hayek's like 50 something years old, but like she's an outlier, you know.
  • [01:01:55] Mike: Ryan Gosling, I guess.
  • [01:02:01] Mike: Ryan Gosling's 44 actually.
  • [01:02:03] Keith: Yeah, and Ryan Reynolds is in his 40s as well.
  • [01:02:03] Mike: Interesting.
  • [01:02:05] Keith: I would say those are the two.
  • [01:02:06] Mike: Hmm.
  • [01:02:08] Keith: I don't know.
  • [01:02:08] Ally: Well, we're not even plugged in enough to pop culture to know like who the young people, I mean, like Ansel Elgore or something, they like there are younger actors, like.
  • [01:02:09] Keith: It's Chalamet, I guess. No, I do. I know i know who that i know who the number one guy in in pop culture for being hot is now. Do you guys know who it is?
  • [01:02:20] Keith: I got to find his name.
  • [01:02:20] Mike: Burr Reynolds.
  • [01:02:23] Keith: ah I think it's...
  • [01:02:24] Mike: He's 82. No, he's dead. Burr Reynolds is dead. So no, not him.
  • [01:02:28] Ally: is to No, I don't know.
  • [01:02:29] Mike: Uh, Johnny Cash.
  • [01:02:31] Keith: Oh, no, it's Jacob Elordi. It's the guy who plays the like, rapist football quarterback in Euphoria.
  • [01:02:38] Ally: Oh, how old is he?
  • [01:02:38] Mike: Hmm.
  • [01:02:38] Keith: And so he's, he's 27.
  • [01:02:40] Mike: 27.
  • [01:02:41] Ally: Okay, well, I mean...
  • [01:02:42] Keith: He's 6'5".
  • [01:02:45] Mike: Six, five.
  • [01:02:45] Keith: But I think he might be, I mean, people should write in and let us know, but like I think he might be sort of the number one sex symbol for a certain type of woman at the moment.
  • [01:02:56] Mike: Oh, that's that show with the woman with like the preternaturally large breasts on it.
  • [01:03:01] Keith: Yes, ah what's her name?
  • [01:03:03] Mike: Her name?
  • [01:03:04] Keith: Sydney Sweeney.
  • [01:03:05] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. She has really, really, really big breasts. It's really great.
  • [01:03:10] Ally: I think I saw somewhere that she's fluent in Russian.
  • [01:03:12] Mike: And it's not true.
  • [01:03:13] Ally: Is that right?
  • [01:03:13] Keith: No, that's not true.
  • [01:03:14] Mike: That's not possible.
  • [01:03:15] Ally: No?
  • [01:03:16] Mike: It's just not, not with breasts like that.
  • [01:03:17] Keith: Maybe I'm an asshole, but let me check.
  • [01:03:18] Mike: It can't be, there's no way.
  • [01:03:19] Keith: Sydney Sweeney, Russian.
  • [01:03:21] Mike: Well, I wouldn't believe it even if Wikipedia said it was true, but if all it would be good, if that's, it's a good shape. That's a good breast. I know Allie doesn't like breasts, but
  • [01:03:33] Ally: Yeah.
  • [01:03:33] Mike: If you did, if you did, you'd find these compelling.
  • [01:03:35] Ally: But I mean, people liked that woman on Mad Men for the same reason, right?
  • [01:03:40] Mike: I don't know if she had large breasts as well.
  • [01:03:43] Ally: Yeah, remember the, like, redhead on Mad Men?
  • [01:03:46] Mike: No, I didn't want to admit.
  • [01:03:46] Ally: I didn't watch Mad Men, but, like...
  • [01:03:46] Keith: Oh, uh, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, I remember her, um, Christina Hendrix, Christina Hendrix.
  • [01:03:52] Ally: Similar idea from what I recall. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • [01:03:55] Mike: Ah, yes, yes, right.
  • [01:03:58] Keith: Yeah, she's not yet 50, uh, Sydney Sweeney. Okay. All right. Look, we got to wrap this up, but we'll i'll leave you guys with this. All right. So she was on some interview. with Glenn Powell, cause she made that movie that, that, uh, rom-com this summer with Glenn Powell or last summer.
  • [01:04:12] Keith: And she claimed to speak Russian because I guess she learned it in high school. Um, and then Glenn Powell asked her to say something in Russian and she shot him down.
  • [01:04:16] Mike: Yeah.
  • [01:04:17] Ally: Oh, okay.
  • [01:04:20] Keith: She wouldn't.
  • [01:04:21] Mike: I wonder why.
  • [01:04:21] Ally: Hmm.
  • [01:04:21] Keith: So she, she, exactly. I would, I would put it at a 0.3% chance she can speak more than 10 words in Russian.
  • [01:04:25] Ally: Interesting. Okay.
  • [01:04:28] Mike: Yes. the the top reddit The top Reddit thread on this is is is the headline is literally Sidney Sweeney's weird lie.
  • [01:04:29] Ally: What a weird thing to lie about.
  • [01:04:31] Keith: and
  • [01:04:32] Ally: What's this range?
  • [01:04:38] Keith: um
  • [01:04:39] Mike: That's a weird lie.
  • [01:04:40] Keith: Do you remember, I mean, for the same reason that, um ah ah who was who was John McCain's vice president candidate?
  • [01:04:40] Ally: Yeah.
  • [01:04:49] Mike: Sarah Palin.
  • [01:04:50] Keith: Sarah Palin lied about you know reading all the magazines. you know She was just sort of put on the spot to try to like virtue signal that she's smart.
  • [01:04:54] Ally: Yeah.
  • [01:04:56] Mike: Sure.
  • [01:04:57] Keith: And if you're not smart, you don't know how to, you can't even effectively virtue signal that you're smart.
  • [01:05:02] Mike: Right.
  • [01:05:03] Keith: So anyway, look,
  • [01:05:03] Mike: Trump ah claimed he read, reads the Bible. Same thing. Yeah.
  • [01:05:06] Keith: Right. Yeah. Look, ah this is wildly speculative. Maybe Sydney Sweeney does speak Russian, but I doubt it.
  • [01:05:12] Mike: No.
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