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Episode 2: Blow job follow up, multiple female orgasms, butt vibrators, how one knows he's not bi.

Team YMMV | 5-2-2018 | 53:26

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Episode 2 revisits masturbation habits before diving into some more topics from the sex subreddit.

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  • [0:25] Mike: Welcome to the your mileage May Very podcast. Even though this is our second episode, we still haven't come up with a name when we recorded which I think we reference on the show at least once. We obviously have a name now, and we'd love some feedback. Please reach out to us at why Mm iPod on Twitter or why? Mm. Peapod at gmail dot com were desperate for feedback. So please don't make me keep bagging.
  • [0:31] Mike: Okay? So let's get started. I somewhat proudly present your mileage may vary.
  • [0:46] Mike: Hello, and welcome to a podcast that takes a probably overly candid look at sex and sexuality. I am Keith. My co host is Mike. Yes, those are our real names. And yes, we're probably concerned about that. We have no special qualifications to cover these topics, but that's not going to stop us from trying
  • [1:04] Mike: our format so far, which I guess is just one other episode has been to lift interesting topics from the sex and other related sub credits and to analyze them here. We'll continue that today, but before we get started on the butt plug topic Mike, I have a few questions for you. Are you ready? Yeah. Hit me.
  • [1:20] Mike: Okay. Ah. I noticed during your, uh, little trip to the south of France that you did some runs that had big elevation changes on your strove account. Are you gearing up for another dipsy attempt?
  • [1:20] Mike: I think
  • [1:27] Keith: that I mean, look, I'm always trying to stay in really good shape. There's a lot of Baxter around this that people aren't gonna know. Maybe they won't even know what the dipsy is. But
  • [1:29] Mike: we can briefly cover that, I think.
  • [1:32] Keith: Yeah. Okay, so deal me to explain it.
  • [1:32] Mike: Yeah, Go for it.
  • [1:54] Keith: So the dipsy is a seven point something mile run in Marin County, California. Ah, it's there's a race that happens there every year. Keith and I decided instead of running the race to simply each calendar year, have a competition to see. You can run it the fastest. Um, the first year we did it. Ah, Keith one. Uh,
  • [2:04] Keith: the last two years I've won. Although I feel like it's been sort of by default because of injuries by Keith. Although one of those two years I'm not sure I think was the first of the two years I put up a pretty good time.
  • [2:17] Mike: Yeah, I put up a time that year and you earlier in that year and you beat it and I was injured so that I couldn't I couldn't even make an attempt. But I'm not sure even if I was healthy, if I would have beaten it. But And you know what? This has a time this year recorded yet, but I like it.
  • [2:21] Keith: I like the idea of doing it by calendar year, because that way, like as you get older,
  • [2:31] Keith: you know, eventually you're gonna get to the point where, like, you can't run this fast. You used to, but by doing it by calendar year, there's sort of like a nice spirit there of being ableto keep doing it.
  • [2:36] Mike: So stop evading the question. Are you? Why have you been doing so much elevation?
  • [2:42] Keith: I was in a town where they have elevation changes in other towns. Don't. And so that's what I was trying to take advantage of them.
  • [2:48] Mike: I know what's actually going on here. You're getting ready to do a dipsy attempt, but waiting. Ready?
  • [2:56] Keith: I hope. I hope when I'm 80 years old to be like that Dude, you know, crossing the dipsy when I Maybe that would be amazing. So
  • [3:04] Mike: I mean, look, it's a It's a pretty singular obsession of fine, too. Like trying to beat you in that stupid course, But, uh,
  • [3:09] Mike: I don't know. I think I've got a chance. Is your Anyway, we got All right. So have you meditated on a name for this show anymore?
  • [3:17] Keith: We've talked about it a lot and haven't come up with anything. It almost makes me think that the problem is is a chicken and the egg thing. If we had listeners
  • [3:23] Keith: Thio thrown out, too, we could ask them what they think we should call it. But we don't. Because we don't have a name to give it to the listeners.
  • [3:40] Mike: Replace the show with Yeah. I mean, like by the time anyone's listening to this, it will already have a name. But I know that we agonized over it long and hard. Yeah, so all right, now this small talks out of the way. On our last episode, I went into some detail about a few of my masturbation techniques,
  • [3:52] Mike: and I failed to bring the question back to you. So, uh, you know, Fair's fair. What are your top? Let's say to masturbation techniques. And what percentage of the time do you deploy each one of them?
  • [3:58] Keith: I mean, nobody, literally Nobody listening Wants to hear the answer to this,
  • [4:00] Keith: I believe.
  • [4:16] Keith: Okay, the reason why you're yours was interesting was because you had some sort of weird, like Statue of Liberty. Posed with the with with the, uh, uh, paper towels in front of you. And some weird three years is pretty interesting, but I think that I'm pretty Bonilla, I would say, like,
  • [4:19] Keith: normally, would be seated in a chair.
  • [4:20] Mike: A computer chair?
  • [4:25] Keith: Yeah. Just thinks feels really intrusive. Ah, yeah, sure,
  • [4:35] Keith: sure. In a normal chair. Uh, and using a computer, I like just what I would imagine. Everybody except you does. Um
  • [4:52] Mike: Well, hold on, hold on. So, you know, I I'm left handed, so there's there's no issue there. Um, when? When you are operating the computer while masturbating, Is it like, do you Are you ambidextrous? Like, do you switch the mouse to your left hand and use your right hand for the for the for the needful there. Like what? Do you What? You D'oh!
  • [4:55] Keith: Yeah, I am ambidextrous in that regard. In no other
  • [4:57] Mike: evil, one side's always better.
  • [4:58] Mike: No, I would say
  • [5:02] Keith: they're different. Um, they're definitely different,
  • [5:18] Keith: but not. But it's not that there's one side that's better. Another I'm right handed. But, um, let's just say I didn't break both my arms simultaneously, although humorously my uncle did. Although I've never gotten clarity on how that turned out for him.
  • [5:28] Keith: It was when he was a teenage boy to, So I don't know how he dealt with that, but I did it one point in my teenager. Don't break my right arm. And so I had Thio,
  • [5:29] Keith: you know, had
  • [5:30] Mike: I got it.
  • [5:41] Mike: Okay, So when do you are you Are you just using your hand? Like, how do you stop? Look, look, this is important. Like, how do you stop semen from getting everywhere?
  • [5:42] Mike: I don't,
  • [5:44] Mike: I say. And you just clean up afterwards?
  • [5:49] Keith: Yeah, that's right. I think that's what most guys do is sort of, like goes on your stomach and you clean it
  • [5:55] Mike: up. Yes, I just Yeah. I mean, I would rather do things that keep it clean from the start.
  • [5:58] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I I don't know really unusual.
  • [6:23] Keith: I think it's unusual. I think that's standing. Standing up is, like, compelling. One thing that I would say that I think is unusual for me. Uh, compared to other guys that I've talked to about this and yes, guys do talk about this to our one female listener if there ever is one. Um, I find that in the shower is difficult, and I think it has something to do with the hot water. And I've always found that I think the hot water sort of, like draws blood away,
  • [6:26] Keith: find it sort of difficult
  • [6:33] Keith: s o. The modern man is going to find it difficult in the shower because of the lack of any sort of device to view.
  • [6:44] Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Everyone so used to having, like, a pornography to masturbate now. Yeah, thes showers. Not great. I mean it. You know, if in a pinch I can I can do it. But, um,
  • [6:51] Mike: and I have some various techniques there that that can improve things, but, uh, I don't know if we need to get into that. I just don't I'm sort of
  • [6:54] Keith: curious now that I'm not. Maybe we should put a pin in that one.
  • [7:03] Mike: I could do it. I could do it. I could do it quickly. I found that conditioner makes a fairly good lubricant. Jesus Christ. So,
  • [7:09] Mike: yeah. Is there another? Yeah, for some reason and a couple other pro tips. But, you know, maybe I should charge for him
  • [7:11] Keith: for the involving the showerhead?
  • [7:15] Mike: No, no. Although I have recently come to find out that that
  • [7:19] Mike: could be something that's that's useful
  • [7:20] Mike: from a gay friend of mine.
  • [7:24] Keith: Is that Is that the pulse mode up the? But
  • [7:35] Mike: there's there's various things, but that we don't need to unpack that now. Okay. And then the last thing here before we get started with our first topic, which is on the topic of but vibrator is
  • [7:59] Mike: there was something on the sex subreddit today that I think, you know, puts a bow on our conversation last time about whether women can enjoy blow jobs, and it's a little bit lengthy, but I'm gonna read it. Okay, so I female 25 years old, I feel like I reclaim my sexual power through the magic of a blowjob. Folks, at the best tinder hookup last night, there's so many good things about it. But what really blew my mind were the facts that a I went down on him and be really fucking loved it
  • [8:10] Mike: and hang ups about blowjobs ever since. A really degrading experiences a teenager. And since then, I've always associated them with submissiveness, coercion, male only gratification, etcetera bridges, you know, she's specifically addressing my points.
  • [8:13] Mike: I don't know what it was about this guy last night,
  • [8:17] Mike: but I decided to try going down on him for the first time since that. That experience,
  • [8:25] Mike: while I was sucking him, he turned into a moaning, writhing mess. And I think he was seeing him like that. That made me realize how powerful the person giving pleasure really is.
  • [8:35] Mike: It was just this feeling of Whoa. I am completely in control of this situation right now. I honestly never imagined I could feel like that giving head. I never imagined I could feel like that during sex. Full stop.
  • [8:46] Mike: So, uh, yeah, I mean, I guess that amount of power and control over your partner I mean, obviously that's something that is really alluring. But, um,
  • [8:56] Keith: yeah, I actually did. I read that today because I was I was go as I do, going down the list on that Subreddit Not just a prep for the show, but also
  • [9:05] Keith: just as I do. And I didn't like that post. I found it annoying on sort of irritating. And the reason why is because I don't
  • [9:09] Keith: I don't like I disagree with you.
  • [9:14] Keith: I don't think that I don't. I know. I know that there is this, like, sort of, um
  • [9:24] Keith: uh this thing that some people like to say that there, uh, in the power position in that situation. But they're just not
  • [9:28] Mike: They could stop. That's that's what I mean. She's claiming she could stop. It's
  • [9:49] Keith: a trope. That's what I was doing where there's a troop that says that, uh, that's true. But like the anytime you're in a situation, if two people are in a situation in one of the people has the chance of throwing up or gagging, that is the person who's not in control.
  • [9:51] Keith: So, like you could
  • [9:52] Mike: use
  • [9:57] Mike: you could say I what? How does that up out of this conversation?
  • [9:58] Mike: I'm just gonna go ahead.
  • [10:06] Keith: Yeah, well, so yeah, I mean, she can I understand. She's thinking to herself. Look at you. I control what's happening here. But see, that's not even really true.
  • [10:14] Mike: Maybe controls, not the right word. It's that she is responsible for that for that pleasure.
  • [10:14] Mike: So
  • [10:20] Keith: it's just a word that's been responsible is a very sort of passive thing. I mean, the woman's always responsible
  • [10:25] Keith: for the male in man's pleasure, in some sense, right? I mean, he's getting
  • [10:43] Keith: although you we have Did we have debates about this? But I generally think that, Ah, if you scored the male orgasm intensity on a scale of 1 to 10 I think when there's a woman in the room, it goes up by one. And if she's involved in a pie like one more and so like she's responsible in that sense, even if she's in a very passive role
  • [10:53] Mike: just by being in the room, because sure, you don't think it's okay you don't think it's like kind of weird having someone in the room watching you, for example, masturbate.
  • [10:55] Keith: Tiger Woods liked it.
  • [10:56] Mike: It
  • [10:57] Mike: was like plus five.
  • [11:02] Keith: Yeah, well, he had he had multiple women cavorting in front of him, which is fantastic. Yeah, I
  • [11:10] Mike: don't think it's super unusual to enjoy that but yeah, I mean, it's not just the physical presence, like the recipe ugly, Some sort of like
  • [11:13] Mike: they have toe Want to be there, for example,
  • [11:17] Mike: although maybe even that Yeah, well, we don't have to go there, but yeah, I mean, we're
  • [11:24] Keith: so I think we're assuming consensual ality in our discussions. But I mean, like, you know, I think I think just the presence,
  • [11:38] Keith: yes, I think does increase it. And the reason wise, because it's it has something to do with the fact that, like men's bodies, air inherently kind of gross. We know that. And so, like somebody building, being willing to tolerate the men's man's body, like, turns us
  • [11:48] Mike: Sure, Yeah, all right. I guess I guess it. But for me, I think like a woman being in the room raises it like, you know, 0.3, and then her involvement raises it like, you know, 2.7 or something like that.
  • [11:51] Mike: It's not like
  • [11:54] Mike: we're being in the room, and then my car being involved
  • [12:04] Keith: now tell the truth here, because for you, there's, like, a really important second access there, which is like, how long? How many times you've had sex with a woman, right? So, like if it's a brand new woman, so you should
  • [12:04] Mike: think
  • [12:08] Keith: about that. Let's say it was a brand new woman that you've never
  • [12:12] Keith: done anything sexual with before. Oh, and she's in the room and she's in the room. I bet that's worth more
  • [12:15] Mike: than yeah, you might be, right. Yeah, I think you are, right.
  • [12:29] Keith: I'm saying now, now, if now, if. Ah, if it's Ah. And then, on the other hand, your claim is that once you've had sex with a woman, like, say, more than 20 times, it's actually a negative to have her in the room.
  • [12:32] Keith: Well, and involved is also a negative.
  • [12:35] Mike: Yeah, that that that's that's what I mean. By the way. That's
  • [12:38] Keith: the ladies. Sorry. Not ladies lady,
  • [12:43] Keith: one female listener. Ah, lady, I don't agree with that at all.
  • [12:47] Mike: Well, most most men are on your side here, like I
  • [12:53] Keith: don't know that I don't think this is like a well researched question. It's really interesting. Like maybe a lot of guys feel the way you D'oh!
  • [13:05] Mike: I feel like, um, most sexual relationships end up with an asymmetry where one partner wants it more than the other. And generally it's the male that wants it more than the female. Do you disagree with that? I totally agree with that. I
  • [13:15] Keith: agree. But this is different. This is where you're saying that after a certain period of time, partner sex is less interesting to you than masturbating, and that's that blows my mind. I don't
  • [13:19] Mike: know her nerd sex with the same partner, So yeah, we're like this.
  • [13:24] Mike: Take everyone in the world minus one and, like then it's way better, partner.
  • [13:37] Keith: Yeah, but you understand that, like, in order to have, like, a well ordered society of any kind like that has to be. I mean, like, imagine if you were like a Polynesian, like, 400 years ago, living on an island where there were only like, 200 people in the tribe like
  • [13:40] Keith: you don't like you wouldn't I mean, you after a short
  • [13:42] Mike: break, kind of screwed, even even if
  • [13:45] Keith: you manage to like, Do you like the round the world?
  • [13:51] Mike: Because, well, you know, only some certain percentage of them are like sexual age and attractive trying, like
  • [13:56] Keith: using nearly rubbing your hands together when, like Mary Jane turned 17 or 18 or
  • [13:58] Mike: whatever you like. Yes, fine.
  • [14:06] Mike: But I mean, if I was in a society like that, I probably wouldn't have access to porn and, like, I wouldn't like my dysfunction. That is probably at least somewhat related to that.
  • [14:07] Mike: It might
  • [14:10] Keith: be, I don't know, and I would be actually genuinely interested, like
  • [14:12] Mike: a counterfactual here. It's just hard to know
  • [14:14] Keith: I would love you. It would be interesting, Like
  • [14:18] Keith: to do like a survey of ah, listenership Or Or I've
  • [14:18] Mike: tried to
  • [14:27] Keith: ask these kinds of questions, like on Reddit before, and there's a topic up later. We should get to topics. But there's a top. There's a topic about isn't there that we have today about
  • [14:42] Keith: women having tons of orgasms? Yeah, on. And I've tried actually, Thio ask questions on Reddit about that one, too. And what happens is people don't want to respond. It's interestingly, I've found people don't respond to these kinds of questions. They want to respond to
  • [14:52] Keith: stuff. It's more like so proper, so properly. Ah, soap opera, like, you know, sort of like more fun than just like, Hey, you know what? How do you feel about
  • [14:54] Keith: repeated sex with the same partner.
  • [15:34] Mike: So let's see. Well, let's just do that one anyways because, well, look, I really want to get to the to the vibrating with whatever it is the butt plug, the vibrating, but played. But let's do this. Let's do this girl with the parking lot orgasms for so all right, I'm just gonna get it. Sitting and talking in a parking lot turned into several capital, several orgasms for me, 35 year old female. My new guy friend asked me to go for a ride, and I don't think she's speaking in euphemism. There we ran a couple of errands, and at our last stop, once we got back to the car, we started talking, and then he just grabbed me and started kissing me first. It was just a couple of packs on my lips, but then he slit his tongue up and down my neck, sucking and lately biting my She's my next year and lips,
  • [15:42] Mike: this is Thea Keith reads smut section. Then his hand clouded over my breasts into my drifting
  • [15:55] Mike: was reluctant, but he reminded me that one of the windows were tinted and we're parked quite a bit away. from the other cars I gave it. And when he touched me and felt how wet I was, he begged him me to jack him off while he played
  • [15:59] Mike: Jesus. All right, all right. Now that that was like,
  • [15:59] Mike: this
  • [16:07] Keith: is like, 50 shades of Keith. And the way I know I'm not gay is that my Penis actually just shrank
  • [16:09] Keith: Listening that I was like, This is not what I wanted.
  • [16:13] Mike: I feel uncomfortable reading this to you, but you instead
  • [16:16] Keith: of like, Siri, read this and, like, just pulled your phone
  • [16:20] Mike: of we're gonna We're gonna get to the nut here. It's probably good.
  • [17:01] Mike: He rubbed my clip, figured me feel exploited over and over and over again. So importantly, over that's one and over to and over again, which, which could imply, like up to four unclear. I mean, my entire body was trembling, trembling after each orgasm. I honestly don't know if his hand action was exceptionally good or if I was so excited at the thought of getting caught or being watched. Does anyone else have the car play experience as an adult? Oh, I forgot to mention the fact that we have never had intercourse or aural. So there's a couple interesting things about this. But the main thing and the reason why I brought this one up is this is a This is a woman reporting having let's say, three plus orgasms in a like, fairly limited sexual encounter on. Do you have any opinions on that?
  • [17:06] Keith: Yeah, well, so I've wanted to. Well, what What What's your opinion on it?
  • [17:10] Mike: Well,
  • [17:12] Mike: uh,
  • [17:18] Mike: I'm skeptical that there is Ah.
  • [17:21] Mike: Ah,
  • [17:23] Mike: listen, So an orgasm
  • [17:35] Mike: implies at least to me. And I think in men, actually, definition Aly means that there is some sort of hormonal or chemical release in the brain in addition to a
  • [17:48] Mike: physical response in the genitalia. Um, I think some men can report having orgasms without actually ejaculating. But generally, you know, like, let's call this like the 99% orgasm, like involves two things I just mentioned.
  • [17:49] Mike: Um,
  • [17:53] Mike: so when a woman has an orgasm and
  • [18:04] Mike: yeah, so I would I would expect there to be some sort of analog in a woman's body where there's, like, a hormonal released in the brain, and then some sort of like physical, something that happens in the genitalia and for that to happen, Like
  • [18:08] Mike: a bunch of times. It seems more likely to me that she
  • [18:17] Mike: has something that's more like a pre orgasm O r. Gets really close to orgasm ing with before, like, the actual, like,
  • [18:20] Mike: main event, But, yeah, I've been talking for a while. Here. It's your turn. Yeah, I
  • [18:28] Keith: know. I mean, look, uh, let me say this First off is that this is something I would love to do a bunch of research into.
  • [18:30] Keith: Sure that's gonna happen
  • [18:41] Mike: for you before you go on. Are you aware that Timothy Ferris and the four hour body has two chapters dedicated to Lake? But he basically guarantees you can give a woman a clitoral orgasm
  • [18:49] Mike: and t e t t like approached it? As as a research is to me, Like he's like, I think he says he, like, tried it on platonic friends.
  • [18:57] Keith: Yeah. Yeah, I've That was not the part of the of the book that I was most interested in, but yes, I'm aware of
  • [19:03] Keith: what he says, and it's pretty. It's pretty standard, standard issue advice, right? And he's just telling you basically what to do.
  • [19:05] Mike: Yeah,
  • [19:16] Mike: but it's pretty clinical. like, you know? Well, whatever. We don't get into it. Look, the point is like somebody some people have, like, sort of convinced women that they should be allowed to do or get orgasm research into them.
  • [19:35] Keith: Oh, yeah, That's a clever, very clever move. He's also a pretty attractive man, right? So I'm successful. Yeah. So there you go. But yeah. I mean, look, my general skepticism on this comes from similar to what? You said that, like, I don't I think, uh I don't think there's, like, an endless reservoir of whatever hormone makes you have that feeling
  • [20:04] Keith: or whatever chemical makes you have that feeling. Ah, and so that makes me makes me think. Okay, this is much more of like a mental event like somebody hyperventilating or somebody just sort of like deciding that this thing has happened when, like, it's not physically necessarily possible that that thing happened, but I don't know that it's like a rela well researched thing. Three, by the way, is not. Does not like, raise the red flags the way like you will find people who claim women who claim that they had, like, 20
  • [20:07] Keith: right, And that's where I'm like? Well, how, like, what?
  • [20:12] Keith: Are you sure? And in, like, in like, the thing I really think is I think they're having zero.
  • [20:13] Keith: Well,
  • [20:23] Mike: maybe they're having. And minus, they're having one. So, you know, the first night, 19 quote unquote orgasms were, like, sort of like, uh,
  • [20:28] Mike: like a build up or, you know, maybe it doesn't have to be the last one, I guess. But
  • [20:29] Mike: yeah, there was another thing.
  • [20:33] Keith: I don't remember exactly the source for this, but I read something.
  • [20:37] Keith: There was somebody used to try to research into this. It was like they
  • [20:39] Keith: they had a device that would actually
  • [20:52] Keith: check for the muscular contractions or whatever and and oh, that right, this is what it was. You can even google this It was. And I'm sure again, this is us. Mansplaining. This gets back to the thing of like,
  • [20:56] Keith: Well, well, we are women. We don't fully understand what it's like to be a woman. Soon is over. Right?
  • [21:01] Mike: Let us let us let us express their skepticism of female orgasm. Right, But no, no,
  • [21:12] Keith: no. I'm not saying skepticism about that, but like I'll say this, these guys did area. They came up with a protocol. And I think I think actually, the way they would make sure you had one is that they'd stick something up your butt.
  • [21:19] Keith: Okay, Because that it could, it could. It squeezes like an arrhythmic way that, like a computer, could say yes, this this is right. And
  • [21:25] Mike: it's some people might have orgasm without actually actual contractions. Like I'm not sure if that would be dispositive.
  • [21:29] Keith: Sure you could. You could say that. Although I think that
  • [21:41] Keith: there's things. Okay, I think there's some biology and science behind this, but whatever. Um, e mean, men basically don't like you said 99% like men. So you'd say, Well, why would women have a totally different, uh,
  • [21:45] Keith: responses? Seems a little suspect, but Okay. Anyway,
  • [21:48] Keith: my what I remember reading it was that
  • [21:53] Keith: they did this and what they found was that I think, and I think it was unexpected. Was that
  • [21:55] Keith: like,
  • [22:05] Keith: a substantial percentage of the time? Double digits, I think significant double digits. Percentage of the time. When a woman would report having an orgasm there, a computer would say they didn't,
  • [22:07] Keith: huh? So
  • [22:10] Keith: whereas if it was a man that would not have.
  • [22:15] Mike: I mean, what's the difference if they think they have vs?
  • [22:23] Keith: Well, a really frequent flyer topic on the sex Subreddit is women who are like I think I did, I'm not sure. And there's and there's actually a standard,
  • [22:34] Keith: ah, set of moves here. Uh, there's there's a standard conversation that happens, the woman says. I'm not sure that somebody comes and says You would know it if it happened And everybody comes in and says,
  • [22:35] Mike: No, you don't know.
  • [22:42] Keith: Sometimes women have them and they're not sure which. So then there's that, too, like the, you know, say they muddy the water there,
  • [22:50] Keith: Um, and and not being a woman, I'm not actually sure of the answer to that. I tend obviously to come down on the side of you would know it if it happened.
  • [23:00] Mike: Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously, I don't know if I've ever had an orgasm and not known it except for, like, maybe a wet dream. But even then I normally wake up. Let me ask
  • [23:06] Keith: you this, Keith. How many times in your life have you faked an orgasm?
  • [23:08] Mike: It's not zero.
  • [23:12] Mike: So give Give us a look. I could probably count on two hands
  • [23:14] Mike: too.
  • [23:15] Mike: So
  • [23:20] Keith: give me like, so give me, like, sort of the average situation when that happens.
  • [23:25] Mike: Well, I mean, okay, for starters, it's
  • [23:32] Mike: man. Okay? All right. So for starters, it's very hard to fake an orgasm when you are not wearing a condom.
  • [23:41] Mike: Um, just because the woman would be confused. Why? There is no discharge. I know. I don't think that's
  • [23:44] Keith: true. I think you could convince her that, like her body absorbed it.
  • [23:45] Keith: No, no,
  • [23:48] Mike: it's not impossible. But it's I think you're I think the
  • [23:50] Keith: problem there would be
  • [24:04] Keith: that you're you're you're kicking the can down the road, right? Like you're gonna You're gonna do this thing, and she's gonna be confused later, and then you have to deal with that. You can't. There's no there's no clear out. Right? And so you're you're taking a risk. But But Okay. So let's hear the situation.
  • [24:25] Mike: Yeah. I mean, the situation is you've been in a sexual encounter. You feel as though she's been satisfied. Uh, you know, and maybe you don't feel like you yourself are gonna get satisfied. And instead of like having a adult conversation about that and be like, Yeah, you know, I'm good. Uh, you know, it could be easier to just fake it. Look, it's the same reason women fake. They're like, All right, I'm over this.
  • [24:26] Mike: I don't think
  • [24:29] Keith: that's exactly okay. So there's an interesting point there, though, which
  • [24:37] Mike: maybe, Or maybe this is like, you know, it's not the first sexual encounter of the day. And, you know, you're a little tired or whatever. Um, I think
  • [24:52] Keith: that that's the more that's that's the experience that I've had before where you're just like this isn't gonna happen and you don't want to, like, you don't want to, like, have the conversation. But you also have had the conversation, right? You also have just been like I'm this I'm finished.
  • [24:54] Mike: Yes, and it's how.
  • [24:58] Mike: I mean, it's her. It's it hurts the girl's feelings.
  • [25:00] Keith: What's that all about? You think?
  • [25:21] Mike: I think it's, I mean, for starters, when I am in a sexual encounter and the girl does not orgasm or fake an orgasm to the point where I believe it, Uh, yeah. I mean, it's, you know, it hurt your feelings a little bit. You feel like you're not. Ah, you know, satisfying them in the way that that they're easily able to satisfy you. And so, yeah, I just
  • [25:23] Mike: sort of a bummer.
  • [25:24] Keith: So you think it's the same? I mean, but I
  • [25:32] Mike: think it's a little bit different in that. Like, Oh, what? Right. So for women, I mean, like, for me? Yeah. Look,
  • [25:37] Mike: I'm pretty great in bed. Uh, let's just get that out of the way. Um, but, you know, occasionally
  • [25:42] Keith: Let me ask you this when you're having sex with a girl, do you?
  • [25:50] Keith: When? When you like. When you turn her over, Do you have to take the paper towels off of one side and put them on?
  • [25:57] Mike: Don't use paper towels during sex. Okay. My bad. Most of the time. Um
  • [26:07] Mike: uh, so, yeah, I mean, obviously it goes without saying that I'm great in bed, but, you know, there have been times where by the girl I'm with has not had an orgasm. Ah, and
  • [26:09] Mike: Ah,
  • [26:12] Mike: I don't actually remember why. Why was I bringing that up to remember? The question
  • [26:14] Keith: is the question is, what do you think That what's
  • [26:26] Mike: right for me? That happens some percentage of the time. Call it X, um, for women. I'm guessing, like, you know, 90 whatever percent of the time
  • [26:41] Mike: there with a man like orgasms without them even like, you know, breaking a sweat. So, uh, the experience for like, a man doesn't orgasm when they've been trying to get him to orgasm is probably a little bit alarming.
  • [26:46] Keith: So you think you think it might suggest to them that he's not that into you?
  • [26:55] Mike: Yeah, I think it might suggest that even though that's obviously not what it necessarily means. Oh, it might mean that it could. It could. It's not a great sign. Like, have you ever
  • [27:03] Keith: been Have you ever been drunk with a girl? And then during the act, you start sobering up and you're like, This is disgusting.
  • [27:04] Keith: Sure.
  • [27:10] Keith: So with that plane, you see what I'm saying? You're just like I'm not attracted to this person.
  • [27:14] Keith: Would that play a role? Would you be like so so in that situation, like she'd be right?
  • [27:21] Mike: Yeah. No, I mean, look, if a guy is not or guys I mean with you and you've invited him to do so, it's probably
  • [27:26] Mike: not a good sign. It it could be any number of things, but none of them are really great.
  • [27:26] Mike: He
  • [27:28] Keith: could be on an anti depressant that makes it hard He
  • [27:29] Mike: could
  • [27:33] Mike: or soft, you mean Yeah. Yeah, Well, I think I don't think that's
  • [27:42] Keith: right. I think that it makes I think you can get high. I'd have to check. I think the thing I've read is that it will make it so you can't nut
  • [27:42] Keith: you can't phone.
  • [27:54] Mike: Interesting. So So you're you're It's not like a fl acidity problem. It's a there's there's some other thing that whereby wait. So why wouldn't people just use that as a way to, like, have sex for longer?
  • [27:56] Keith: Well, because if you can't nut
  • [28:03] Mike: Yeah, well, OK, that's bad. But, I mean, if it makes it like a little bit harder to nut than you can imagine that being great
  • [28:04] Keith: in my lower the
  • [28:06] Mike: and this isn't a problem for May,
  • [28:07] Keith: it might be
  • [28:12] Keith: good for you. It might. It might lower the old Oh, I orgasm intensity. I'm not sure
  • [28:25] Keith: yeah or somehow mess with the experience. That would be an interesting question asking because right when you mean when I thought of that and you mentioned it. You responded. I majorly thought, Well, why wouldn't a porn star to use this instead of Viagra or something? Right.
  • [28:35] Keith: But I think that if you porn stars have is keeping it up. You know, during the when they're repositioning the camera or whatever. Like it gets kind of boring. And you're just standing there.
  • [28:42] Mike: Yeah, well, And also, you know, when you have, like, a nine inch dick, like there's think, a blood pressure issue,
  • [28:45] Keith: Let me tell you, it's tough having united.
  • [28:54] Mike: Right? Right. Yep. Me too. Um, So, uh so, yeah, we've been recording for, like, half an hour here, and we have to get to this, but vibrator, So
  • [29:03] Mike: All right, this is a little bit long, but, you know, I think I'm just gonna read for about a minute here, and I I just I want your opinion on,
  • [29:10] Mike: like, what's going on with the guy? And is this, like, some sort of, like, secret trip to giving girl or girls orgasm so
  • [29:15] Keith: great when? Because I haven't read this one, I have kept this a secret for the chefs and go for
  • [29:20] Mike: us. Yeah, it's It's gonna read a little bit weird because It's a follow up to another post, but I think I'll be okay.
  • [29:29] Mike: Update on my boyfriend's vibrating But hey guys, mystery semi salt. I think I also think I've discovered I the King for secret but vibrators
  • [29:48] Mike: summary of previous post boyfriends but started vibrating every night and he denied it being a butt plug. Said he didn't feel vibrations posted, traded figure out what it could be. I think he saw the post I made. I deleted it to try to prevent that. But too late, I guess because that night there was no vibrating while we were on the couch. Maybe lean more toward it, definitely being a vibrator. This reminds me of
  • [30:02] Keith: that guy. This reminds me that has already cut in. But this reminds me of that judge you know, I'm talking about there was a judge and, like, I don't know where and, uh, he there was said during testimony or something. And he was I guess he'd had a practice of, ah
  • [30:07] Keith: of using sort of like a some sort of vibrating flesh light on himself or something while judging
  • [30:13] Keith: and somehow like it if something happened and, like everybody started hearing it you never look it up. It
  • [30:20] Mike: was like I don't hear anything. Yeah, he's like he's like, you're all out of order, right? Right. Yeah. Let's go away.
  • [30:54] Mike: Uh, yeah, I mean this. I mean, this just goes on and gets more preposterous. That made me lean more toward it, definitely being a vibrator. But I was still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and was thinking about various ways I could approach him about it, possibly being medical. I was thinking I'd give it a day or two and then bring it up. Then we went to bed. The vibrations were back. We're fooling around. It was an off night since we've had sex the day before, So I wasn't expecting anything from him. It'll help me out whenever I want. So I asked, started touching me, and I had to do a triple take because the way he was touching me was just so radically different from anyway. He's ever touched me. It startled me so, so much. I actually had a moment where I was like, Who taught you that?
  • [31:03] Mike: Then I felt what he was doing. The rhythm, speed, pressure and way he was changing patterns. I slowly realized he was totally masturbating me in sync with his vibrating. But
  • [31:17] Mike: oh, my God, guys, my body lit up like a Christmas tree. I could feel the slight vibrations from his butt. Man. Here we go again. Slight vibrations from his body and threw the cheats and his fingers were moving with the same pulses. I could actually recognize some of the patterns for my own vibrator.
  • [31:43] Mike: Vibrators have like, well, whatever, like no good car alarm thing. It goes through like different cycles. Definitely way. Okay, It's just like a massage chair. It was just the hottest thing I the best orgasm of my life. And then he fucked me, which I was not expecting. It was amazing. He still is denying there's something in his butt, But come on, how could he touch me in sync with vibrations? He can't feel. So I'm assuming it's It's some sort of agra bullet, as some of you mentioned, the other thread
  • [31:56] Mike: going to drop the topic for now, since it seems to be a source of stress for him and going for it, I'll just keep trying to be but positive and supportive. I was also thinking Maybe I'll get a secret, but vibrator of my own. I can vibrate with him in solitary. Thanks. Read it.
  • [31:59] Mike: Uh, what's going on here, Mike?
  • [32:01] Mike: Huh?
  • [32:03] Keith: Uh,
  • [32:12] Keith: I think this is a new one. That's a good one. I don't I can't say I mean, so what? So the situations were aware of our
  • [32:13] Keith: on a couch.
  • [32:16] Keith: And so, in other words, it's not like
  • [32:18] Keith: the
  • [32:24] Keith: it's it's not like he Ah, like there's like, there's a scene in the movie the 40 Year Old Virgin were like,
  • [32:31] Keith: um the Michael Scott in ized Michael Scott. Steve Carell character. Oh, yeah, has a fake.
  • [32:37] Keith: What is it? He has, like, a fake something rather. And then the woman he's trying to seize daughter
  • [32:45] Keith: is like, Wait a minute. That means you have that on you all the time. You're carrying that all the time. Like was like a year or something like that
  • [32:48] Keith: and which is, you know, obviously kind of weird,
  • [32:55] Mike: right? Yeah. I mean, if vibrations just suddenly start emanating from your boyfriend like you sort of wonder, like,
  • [32:56] Mike: when did that? He's
  • [33:03] Keith: wearing it all the time. It means it means that he has some sort of, like a weird problem. Or I guess you would call it fetish.
  • [33:12] Keith: Uh, yeah, and like this and then she she did ask him about it, but he was kg or like, just acted weird about it. Or maybe even started an argument.
  • [33:22] Mike: I don't quite understand that part. Like if you feel like high frequency vibrations emanating from your boyfriend like it's not like he could be like, Yeah, I just
  • [33:25] Mike: It doesn't seem like it easy thing to deny. I mean this. Also, I would put this
  • [33:36] Keith: in the general. I'll tell you, I'll put this in the general category of, like, I think that one of the hard things about being a woman generally would be in a be interested in women's feedback on this
  • [33:47] Keith: would generally be just like the fact that, like, you know, that each man, maybe they don't know this, but they at some point in life, they realize that each man they like New man, they go on a date with or whatever
  • [33:52] Keith: has some really weird shit going on in their head about this stuff. And so it's like, Yeah,
  • [33:53] Keith: like so with
  • [33:57] Mike: women get unpacked their weirdness every every time you come to a new partner,
  • [34:08] Keith: right? I mean, of Dona be fair. Everybody has weirdness in different areas and maybe women have weirdness is in other areas. But like this thing of like, Okay, you're dating a new guy, and it's like
  • [34:13] Keith: Then you know, there's some chance he's gonna like, where diapers or poop on himself or like,
  • [34:14] Mike: right or
  • [34:16] Mike: vibrating while you're at dinner.
  • [34:24] Keith: Right? And it's and it's sort of like and you have to take that in stride and act like that's normal and, like, reasonable. I don't know how. I don't know any taller.
  • [34:29] Mike: Yeah, I mean her last paragraph. I'm going to drop the topic. For now,
  • [34:36] Mike: it seems to make such a source of stress for him is like a preposterous like, Yeah, I
  • [34:58] Keith: mean, there's a separate thing here, which is that, like every as everyone knows, when you stick something up your butt, you're supposed to have something that has, like, a base that doesn't go in your butt so you don't wind up in the emergency room like trying to explain how you sat on the light bulb or whatever right now, like standard thing And so that's also like, there's, like, a health. And if I was gonna comment on her threat, I might say that like, Hey, uh, there's, like, a weird health thing here that your boyfriend
  • [35:00] Keith: is jamming the things of his, but
  • [35:04] Mike: I don't know much about this, but I suspect that
  • [35:13] Mike: there are things that are designed that could be worn around all day and don't have the risk of becoming a suppository.
  • [35:19] Mike: Like if they figured out a way to make hilts that can't be seen. When when you're wearing clothing?
  • [35:27] Keith: Uh, yeah, when you were in clothing, but she said the right word held. Yeah, Hilt is a great word. Orders or scabbard on worth.
  • [35:33] Keith: But sure, and becoming a suppository is a little weird, because, I mean, it is effectively a suppository, but whatever. Well,
  • [35:35] Mike: it's Yeah, you know, it was
  • [35:46] Keith: coming like a part of your body, correct being becoming lost, but sure, but in this story, I was sort of waiting for her to, like, reach around back there and feel
  • [35:49] Mike: right, right? Like, just check.
  • [35:58] Keith: Yeah. You expect her to do that? And and she which, by the way, makes me wonder if this is true or some strange, like fetish
  • [36:01] Keith: story, or it's like the the, uh
  • [36:06] Keith: maybe it's some new version of the Jumper cables guy trying to make his name on Reddit,
  • [36:08] Mike: right?
  • [36:16] Mike: I think just I mean, from the from the phrasing. I mean, it would have to be someone pretending to be sort of a naive person, so I don't know.
  • [36:17] Mike: Yeah, but that's
  • [36:19] Keith: you just described the truth. All
  • [36:22] Mike: right? Right, right, right. I don't know. Nobody ever
  • [36:24] Keith: pretends to be a naive person on the
  • [36:27] Mike: Yeah,
  • [36:34] Mike: so Okay, so we both agree that this guy obviously has some sort of a vibrator in him.
  • [36:35] Mike: How?
  • [36:37] Keith: What would the other option b.
  • [36:39] Keith: She's imagining it.
  • [36:48] Keith: Oh, what, so sure. So maybe that's like she has a really advanced form of, like, schizophrenia. It's like, Yeah, no, I don't hear voices. I sense vibration. Another
  • [36:55] Mike: viewable impressions like this. Like those things in dune or whatever. Yeah, Yeah, I don't, uh
  • [36:57] Mike: I'm not sure.
  • [37:03] Mike: I don't understand how one it can't be just, like, 100% clear
  • [37:16] Mike: whether or not it's a vibrator, but okay, so let's say it is a vibrator, and it's in his butt. like, how is he? Maybe if you like, puts his hand like up against his hip. He's able to, like, you know, get some of that battery operated power into his own
  • [37:28] Mike: into his own, you know, hand being deployed. I don't quite understand how he's able to, like, translate the force in his in his asshole to his fingers When, uh, you know,
  • [37:30] Mike: finger banging his girl.
  • [37:35] Keith: No, he's he was doing it in time with the feet feeling. I mean okay, so I feel like I
  • [37:39] Mike: understand that puzzle. Listen, vibrators, air, pretty high frequency man.
  • [37:50] Keith: No, no, but but But there's the high frequency component, which is the vibration. But then there's it speeds up and slows down or gets more and less intense. And that's the That's going to be the
  • [37:51] Keith: the relevant factor. And I
  • [37:52] Mike: soon
  • [38:04] Mike: you're proposing you're proposing. He pulls out his cell phone because there's an app for his vibrator and it presses program to, and he then you know, cozies up to the girl and,
  • [38:13] Mike: you know, moves in sync with the, uh, you know, there's there's about the high frequency and low frequency component, and he moves in sync with low frequency component.
  • [38:20] Keith: That's exactly why I don't know about the cell phone, but sure. I mean, like, yeah, it's it's gonna be like XYZ. I mean, like, right?
  • [38:26] Mike: Yeah, I see what you're saying. That was actually yet that sound, actually, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, okay.
  • [38:34] Keith: Yeah. People can actually take that sound from our podcasts and hopefully make a vibrator out of it. I could make others too,
  • [38:35] Keith: and
  • [38:39] Keith: or lady lady, if you're interested Another.
  • [39:04] Mike: But, I mean, I don't Okay. And then the other thing is, battery operated vibrators are, like, infamous for being, you know, for a lot of people not being powerful enough. So I'm a little bit confused about how maybe she couldn't even feel maybe the vibrations, like coming from him worked. A big part of it was that he was able to mirror the intensity IRT he was able to like. Basically, it's like having like a crib sheet on your wrist, like he knew was like the right pattern to do was because that's what his vibrator was doing.
  • [39:05] Keith: Well,
  • [39:11] Keith: okay. I mean this. Yeah, it's getting a little far fetched here, but I mean, like, I don't think I think. I think he was just, ah,
  • [39:20] Keith: having fun, not matching it on. And And also, I want to be clear that, like what he was doing as he was stimulating his prostate,
  • [39:22] Mike: right? Yeah. Okay.
  • [39:31] Mike: Now, the benefit he was getting here is clear. Although, I mean, if he read this and he found out that, like, hey, girls really like it when
  • [39:39] Mike: I'm earing my vibrators action with them. No, no, no. That could be a secondary benefit. No, girls. This one does.
  • [39:46] Keith: No, no, uh, she she's she has chosen to overlook. Ah, frankly, insane behavior.
  • [39:49] Mike: Now, like she says, What does she say? Her says,
  • [39:51] Mike: Who taught you that?
  • [39:57] Mike: It started me so much? Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Do that. This sentence,
  • [40:00] Keith: she's just she's just It's it's it's all right.
  • [40:01] Mike: It's like yourself. It's cool,
  • [40:06] Keith: right? And this is my opinion, is the like in these types of situations, women have to
  • [40:25] Keith: sort of. It's some type of suspension of disbelief. They have to be like, Okay, So my this guy wants to spew all over my face and hair, or this guy wants to ah, whatever. Like him with any of these sort of bizarre, fetishized things that guys want and they're like, But I like him a lot. So it's not that big of a deal.
  • [40:32] Mike: Yeah, so just speak like she does say that it was just the hottest thing at the best orgasm of my life, but I thought it was amazing.
  • [40:33] Mike: Um,
  • [40:36] Mike: but you're right. That doesn't change anything that you just said. Like, yeah,
  • [40:46] Keith: I mean, there's subjectivity to It's like I mean, in 10 years, Will she still say that Or or if she had 10 years worth of comparison data, probably not. It's because it happened, like, two days ago.
  • [40:51] Mike: We're back to the counterfactual. Like, Had he not done that, Maybe she would have enjoyed that as the best ever.
  • [41:11] Keith: Look, I think in the long run, having a dude who's but vibrates randomly is not like I mean, maybe it'll work out. Maybe, like when they have kids. Someday they would like kids. Do you want hear the story about your dad and I first met? I met him and then his asshole is freaking
  • [41:19] Keith: on. It was just fantastic. I mean, you know, this is not it is not the love story that I think many women are looking
  • [41:20] Mike: at?
  • [41:22] Mike: Yeah,
  • [41:29] Mike: Yeah, okay. I agree that I guess I don't really have anything else to say about this. It's just bizarre. Like I can't imagine
  • [41:32] Mike: why somebody would
  • [41:38] Mike: want tohave. Yeah, I mean, I I guess I just haven't experimented with my own prostate enough.
  • [41:40] Keith: Well, how much have you now? We don't
  • [41:43] Mike: need to talk about that. It rounds to zero. What are you
  • [41:49] Keith: doing in the spreadsheet? Here you are. You are you pulling up the content for the end of the show? Are you pulling up in a
  • [41:53] Mike: topic? I mean, we could do another topic. Do you wanna do another topic? I think we should. Okay,
  • [41:55] Mike: Um,
  • [41:58] Mike: do you wanna do this spit roast?
  • [42:02] Mike: You know how I realized I'm not bi.
  • [42:07] Mike: I think the by one is gonna be more entertaining. Okay. All right. Here we go.
  • [42:09] Mike: Um,
  • [42:21] Mike: okay. How? I realized I'm not by I'm a very open minded person. Probably let my horn a musket, the bet me best of me. But you met up with a guy and he gave me a clutch
  • [42:28] Mike: first. He liked it, but a few seconds in and it started to feel kind of bad. When I finally orgasms,
  • [42:42] Mike: he asked me to return the favor three seconds and I had to stop it. Say that it wasn't for me. I felt bad, but he was nice about it, immediately went home and removed Any guy I had on my dating APS and or Snapchat is anyone else had something similar. Happen with him,
  • [42:44] Mike: Mike?
  • [42:49] Keith: Ah, no, I haven't had that happen to me. But I've always wondered
  • [42:54] Keith: Ah, how gay guys sort of manage the
  • [43:00] Keith: who gets to nut first thing because it seems like whoever not second gets
  • [43:01] Mike: get shafted,
  • [43:03] Mike: right?
  • [43:09] Mike: You can imagine the guy putting it like a perfunctory performance that you just out of obligation, we
  • [43:14] Keith: No, no, hang on. Maybe I got that wrong. No, I got a backward. It's whoever get whoever nuts first gets shafted. That's what I mean,
  • [43:21] Mike: because because yeah, he's noted. And now, like and in the trough of his like sexual appetite
  • [43:23] Mike: instead, give a blowjob do it did
  • [43:33] Keith: right. That's I mean, well, even he's into that. That's fine, but it makes it like it just means that there's always this asymmetry and I imagine there's some protocol or mechanism
  • [43:46] Keith: used Tiu deal with that. Or perhaps if you're gay, you don't have the same feelings about that. But I think generally men are designed for their orgasm to be sort of the end of sex.
  • [43:50] Keith: And so if you agree with that, one guy asked to keep going,
  • [43:53] Keith: um, button thing, the C I
  • [43:53] Mike: do have
  • [44:02] Keith: experience with the fact that, uh, as I told you this before, like, there is two things. One is there is this thing that, ah,
  • [44:03] Keith: that
  • [44:10] Keith: there is a lot of straight dudes out there that want to give blows.
  • [44:11] Mike: Go on. It's is a thing.
  • [44:15] Keith: I mean, you see it. You see that on this X rated all the time. I haven't
  • [44:27] Keith: shared a link to one with you recently for the show, but this is a really standard thing, and the guys will be like it. Is there something wrong with me and my weird or whatever? And it's just yes thing. You might be gay.
  • [44:36] Keith: Well, people say things like you might be bi or whatever, but I think like your church, I think that like, and I think that the situation often sort of ends in tears like the guy.
  • [44:47] Keith: It is a function, I think in most cases of men just having a really high libido and like thinking that, Yeah, Look, there's all these different things that are hot, and then they don't actually want to be involved with another guy in that way.
  • [44:51] Mike: Maybe. I mean, look, bi, sexuality is a thing, and I think
  • [45:09] Mike: it might be a thing that almost needs to get unlocked. Like you have to try it to figure out whether or not you know, you have that desire in you. Um and yeah, maybe some people try it, and then they realize they're not into it, which is what this guy is describing. And then, you know, others have a different experience. But this guy,
  • [45:14] Keith: the way he did it was just the dumbest way you could do it. Because he
  • [45:24] Keith: in fact, it makes me wonder if these were two guys were both, like, bi curious, like with each other. Because here's this guy. He's like, I'm gonna try this out. And so what does he do? He nuts first.
  • [45:26] Keith: Now, listen,
  • [45:31] Keith: fellas, if you want to try out this buy stuff, make sure you're not second
  • [45:32] Keith: right?
  • [45:37] Mike: Yes. Yeah. You don't want to be in, like, this trough of sexual appetite.
  • [45:37] Mike: Give it to give a
  • [45:46] Keith: deal. So I might I guess I would say to this guy like, you should probably go try again. But But actually, I did. Did he say that the other guy finished?
  • [45:52] Mike: Uh, no, He says three seconds, and I had to stop and say that it wasn't for me. He felt bad that he was nice about
  • [46:04] Keith: you. Mind my bet Is that if so, the other guy made a strategic error on some level of my bet. Is that if if he had still been aroused when if he'd done it the opposite way, he probably would have, you know,
  • [46:07] Keith: been able to go the distance.
  • [46:08] Keith: So big mistake
  • [46:12] Mike: there, I think, would be more likely to be able to go the distance. I'm not sure.
  • [46:12] Mike: I'm not
  • [46:21] Keith: sure why, but it's completely like so when he says in three seconds, he bailed out like that could completely be. Just because he was in his refractory period is like everything's gross.
  • [46:28] Mike: You could imagine, you know, going down on a woman like, you know, right after you've orgasms and being like, Yeah, you know, I'm not really feeling this.
  • [46:30] Keith: Well, I mean, isn't that how you feel when that
  • [46:31] Mike: happens?
  • [46:32] Mike: It depends.
  • [46:36] Keith: What if you're not is in there.
  • [46:38] Mike: It's not the greatest, Mike. It's not the greatest.
  • [46:39] Keith: How does that go now?
  • [46:42] Mike: This could be a situation. Thought this could
  • [46:46] Keith: be a situation where we're faking. It might work for the guy, huh?
  • [46:52] Keith: Kind of a kind of a corner case for for faking it. Because you're like, OK, I know I'm gonna have to go down there after I finish,
  • [46:55] Keith: but I don't really tell you.
  • [47:00] Keith: All right. Soldiers fake it. And then she'll think I'm this hero who's, like, willing to to do that,
  • [47:08] Keith: huh? Yeah. Pretty clever. You can You can, like, be that guy. But But but tell me so I mean, how do you deal with that situation?
  • [47:13] Mike: Uh, normally, there's there's a trip to the restroom first.
  • [47:15] Keith: That's all that's required?
  • [47:30] Mike: Well, yeah. I mean, that's what's happened in the past. What? What else do you think they should get the shower? Except I know I know where you're going Here, but yeah. Yes, Philip. Yes. You filibustered for a moment. check me.
  • [47:35] Mike: Just wriggle, wriggle a little bit here first.
  • [47:40] Mike: You think they should know they should like fully Duce themselves or something
  • [47:43] Mike: in order to so that I could be sure.
  • [47:45] Keith: I think that
  • [47:47] Keith: failing that,
  • [47:51] Keith: that you have to see how
  • [47:55] Mike: you look. You're here. You're just ignoring by.
  • [48:06] Mike: Uh, listen, I've already admitted that. I'm sure I've tasted my own semen. It's just that I don't know what it tastes like because I've never intentionally tasted it in a controlled environment.
  • [48:11] Keith: Oh, yeah, you D'oh! Because because Because it would completely change the
  • [48:20] Keith: the now. Ugo Ugo, Come on, now you're saying that so wait, wait. You're saying Wait, let me ask this. You're saying that there's absolutely no difference in taste
  • [48:27] Keith: in those between those two situations. A situation where you've noted in there and she goes to the bathroom versus a situation where you have? Not yet.
  • [48:29] Mike: Not that I've noticed, Your Honor,
  • [48:32] Keith: That's not you noticed.
  • [48:47] Keith: All right. All right. So where does not We're not getting at the truth here, but, uh, yeah, I mean, I think I think that a lot of guys okay, but then there's a There's a separate thing setting that aside, You're actually a real trooper there because you're in your refractory courage, and you're doing that like,
  • [48:48] Keith: is that kind of a bummer
  • [48:50] Mike: for you?
  • [48:59] Mike: You know, the sort of gets back to like it is nice to be able to deliver pleasure to someone, even if it's completely asymmetric and you're not gonna get any back.
  • [49:01] Mike: In many ways, it's, like better
  • [49:05] Mike: because there's, like, a longer lasting that this is Gil Hinton,
  • [49:21] Keith: that this is different than that. That's I totally I totally agree with that. But after in those, like, 15 minutes after you nut, right, that's the last thing you want to do. What do you want to do? Is you wanna go to sleep or go somewhere by yourself
  • [49:25] Keith: and be like and be like and you want You do not
  • [49:29] Mike: big cuddler, Mike, Huh? Are you?
  • [49:31] Mike: I think I probably am.
  • [49:34] Keith: But you actually want to do that or is like a learned behavior.
  • [49:41] Mike: Ah, I think I want to, but I mean, hard to know I'm not doing it just for the sake of it.
  • [49:43] Keith: Yeah,
  • [49:46] Keith: well, okay. I think both of both behaviors are normal,
  • [49:51] Keith: but I would say that I'm definitely on the other side of that. Like the the emotional feeling I have is like,
  • [49:54] Keith: Yes, like, I wantto
  • [49:56] Keith: I want to go back to doing whatever it is to
  • [50:01] Mike: me like that in general, about many things. So I think this is This is consistent.
  • [50:05] Keith: Yeah. Yeah, and so right. And so that thing we were discussing, they're like, I don't
  • [50:11] Keith: I wouldn't be that into that. I mean, it's like, uh and, uh, even it's it's really an issue
  • [50:28] Keith: when we're talking about the do Shin's ever. That's really an issue of those 15 minutes or whatever long it is. There's a period of time there when it was just not such a good thing after that. Yeah, it could be kind of hot, I don't know, but it would be. Then you're back. It's because you're you're able to suppress your disgust again by being aroused
  • [50:31] Keith: for starting me. That's this is me.
  • [50:36] Keith: Till I am. It's all it's all discussed and then discussed repression.
  • [50:41] Mike: Yeah, but it's not an active repression like it's just completely different.
  • [50:41] Mike: It's
  • [50:53] Keith: right. It's like you took some sort of a drug that makes it feel differently about about that. And then and then, uh, you, you nut in the drug instantly goes out of your system.
  • [50:56] Keith: It's like, What was the analogy I saw on Reddit was
  • [51:01] Keith: It's like being the incredible, like the Incredible Hulk. You see that one?
  • [51:02] Keith: It's like, uh,
  • [51:04] Keith: you
  • [51:18] Keith: so like, you know, the Bruce brand Bruce Banner turns into the Incredible Hulk and then something. And then at the end, and he switches back into Bruce Banner. Okay, when he switches back, he's sweaty. His clothes are all ripped. You can't remember what he did. And he's tired
  • [51:24] Keith: is exactly like that. Like, what is wrong with me?
  • [51:25] Keith: Yeah, it's just like that's
  • [51:27] Mike: my
  • [51:29] Mike: totally
  • [51:31] Mike: right. Yes.
  • [51:39] Mike: Okay. Well, Mike, I need to go swimming. So I think that's a good place to wrap it up. Unless you have anything else you would like to add. Where you swimming?
  • [51:44] Mike: I am swimming at Aquatic Park in the San Francisco Bay in front of your daily square. Now,
  • [51:46] Keith: let me say this. Are you in a swim naked?
  • [51:49] Mike: No, but I am not gonna wear a wet suit today. Also, let me
  • [51:53] Keith: say, let me tell you one thing that I haven't told you
  • [51:57] Keith: when we were in the south of France, we went to H
  • [52:02] Keith: in the south of France. And you always hear, Of course, these beaches can be topless
  • [52:09] Keith: about it's it's sort of normal. But you, the thing you hear and you'll read online what is your typical impression of how that works?
  • [52:12] Mike: Well, that the folks who are topless or not the ones you wish were topless.
  • [52:13] Keith: Right?
  • [52:18] Keith: So we went to this one beach and there were a couple girls that you wished for.
  • [52:20] Keith: And they were They were
  • [52:21] Mike: It was they were, And
  • [52:25] Keith: it was not. So I'm not that Not that.
  • [52:25] Keith: Yeah,
  • [52:32] Mike: yeah, yeah. I went to Barcelona and I had a similar experience.
  • [52:41] Mike: Yeah, I would be nice if that was the case here. And unfortunately, in San Francisco, there are places where people are not only topless, but bottomless, but they're all
  • [52:44] Mike: you know, 50 plus year old men. And so
  • [52:52] Mike: you've been Doesn't decide. Baker be Trent. Sure. That's how your that's not your scene, Not my scene. It is. Uh, you know, I don't time. There's still time to
  • [52:56] Mike: concern themselves. Still, a young man who knows what
  • [52:59] Mike: but things will develop inside of me as I age.
  • [53:00] Keith: Yes.
  • [53:08] Keith: All right. So you're gonna you, But you're gonna go swim, swim laps around aquatic Park in the absolutely revolting and freezing San Francisco Bay,
  • [53:10] Keith: and, uh, sounds good.
  • [53:12] Mike: Okay,