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Episode 20: Chickflixxx, Squirting vs Peeing, Lasting Longer, Overweight Sex, Sleepy Foreplay, Pegging

Team YMMV | 11-30-2020 | 1:09:20

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Is she squirting or just peeing? Where do we even find these X-rated clips anyway? We discuss a woman who wants her boyfriend to last longer in bed, the complexities of sex for overweight folks and everyone's favorite topic: pegging. By listener demand we've moved topics likely to offend weak-stomached listeners to the end of the show.

We get a lot of our questions from the Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/b2x0qp/favorite_ways_to_extend_sex/

https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/jwbe4b/boyfriend_too_fat_to_have_sex/

https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/jxo5pv/i_get_sleepy_during_foreplay/

For those who want to follow along, here is a link to the video we watched at the beginning of the episode: https://www.redgifs.com/watch/jitterygroundedarchaeocete

Episode Transcript

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  • [0:05] Keith: he's Yeah, she's on top of him, She's riding him and then she pulls off and then
  • [0:21] Keith: yeah, like, actually, fairly impressively directs a 3 to 4 second long stream directly into his mouth like, Yeah, it's like they've practiced this several times, like it seems like the kind of thing that would take several takes. Thio. That
  • [0:25] Mike: would be difficult for a man, I think, even with a Penis to like, get it aimed that well,
  • [0:35] Keith: right.
  • [0:53] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary were show that claims to talk about sex and relationships but predictably, mostly focuses on the former I'm Keith. My co host is Mike and together reform and dynamic duo of CIS gendered white, hetero men with completely unique and profound perspectives on matters of the flesh.
  • [1:18] Keith: We think we're amusing and mildly informative. Hopefully you do, too. And if you dio, we'd appreciate it if you could rate review and subscribe. We famously offered $10 to anyone who provides us feedback. Even so, we receive shockingly little feedback given our listener count when wonders what we'd have to offer. Um, in any case, we'd love to hear from you hit us up at Y m m the pod at gmail dot com.
  • [1:22] Keith: Um, okay, Mike, uh,
  • [1:28] Keith: our continued inability to escape from the topic of anal sex appears to be putting off some listeners. What do you think about
  • [1:30] Mike: some negative feedback there? Yeah.
  • [1:38] Keith: Yeah. What do you think about creating a special segment called Fecal Matters and moving such discussions to the end of each episode?
  • [1:42] Mike: Yeah. I mean, I think that's a great idea. Um, yeah.
  • [1:50] Keith: Okay. We have a topic here today if we have time. It's pretty amusing, but yeah, no, no promises.
  • [1:54] Keith: I've also received some feedback on,
  • [2:12] Keith: uh, the porn we watched at the beginning of our last episode. Um, one person said it was too surgical, but three others reported thinking it was pretty entertaining. One person in particularly noted that they really enjoyed your narration. So maybe we should make that a regular segment, too.
  • [2:16] Mike: Yeah, I'm trying to understand surgical, though. What does that even mean?
  • [2:18] Keith: I
  • [2:27] Keith: think she thought it was we are. Our approach was to engineering, like to analytical and not I'm not sure what she was looking for, but
  • [2:36] Mike: then she's looking in the wrong. She's looking at the wrong podcast, That's what That's literally what we're here for. Justo, we want to really understand
  • [2:43] Mike: what's going on in these situations, and I mean, yeah, I understand. Like, people want these things to be matters of the heart, and I actually respect that. But that's just not our job,
  • [2:58] Keith: right? Yeah. It wasn't exactly the sexiest analysis of porn. I mean, porn isn't romance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it can be for women
  • [3:05] Keith: that can't be for men. Thio, You know, there is about, you know, lighting the candles and, you know, putting on the music and that kind of stuff. Yeah,
  • [3:13] Mike: there's a subreddit that I go to occasionally, uh, called. What is it? Chick flicks with three exes? Yes. You know this one?
  • [3:15] Keith: I've been there as well. Yeah.
  • [3:23] Mike: Okay. And, uh, it's Yeah, it is women. But honestly, it's it's sort of curated by women. And I think there's some There's some notion of making it mawr,
  • [3:33] Mike: man. It's just it's basically porn. Uh, selected, chosen by women for women and women Commented on it, of course.
  • [3:47] Mike: Basically, as far as I could tell constantly, I've never done this, but constantly it's invaded by men who want to sort of, like, take it over and be like, No, no. Check out this or whatever and they kicked off. So they have all these rules to stop that. Um, I
  • [3:48] Keith: would say that, like
  • [3:49] Keith: generally,
  • [4:04] Mike: actually, I think they're selections Air decent, Uh, sort of a fan of it. Uh, there's some stuff, but it's not the thing I was gonna say. It is not primarily romance driven as much as just, like female, like things that makes sense. That a woman who like And so, for example,
  • [4:06] Keith: yeah, what are some of the themes? Well,
  • [4:13] Mike: one of the things that I don't find as compelling as a man is when they have long eclipse of a woman receiving Orel
  • [4:16] Mike: which, Yeah, I mean it Z
  • [4:27] Mike: like just It's just the problem is I look, I mean, maybe to a woman, it's extremely arousing for a guy. It's like, Look, it's just may Honestly, maybe it's the equivalent of what a woman experiences when she watches a blowjob video. It just seems like repetitive,
  • [4:32] Mike: Which is exactly what women say about blowjob videos. Now, that sure. So,
  • [4:40] Mike: yeah, There you go. Um, other than that, I mean they they tend to have stuff that's like, um or a little more realistic, which is my cup of tea. And that's why I've visited.
  • [4:46] Keith: So let's professional Mawr amateur Mawr, the woman seeming like she actually she's actually enjoying it.
  • [4:52] Mike: Yeah, and there's But there's one other thing that I find bothersome, and I think you probably would, too, which is that they
  • [4:57] Mike: There's also a tendency. There's a strain in their of them liking these, like hyper dominant
  • [5:06] Mike: kind of really well built kind of muscular men. And that just that just intimidates me. I don't wanna watch pant porn that intimidates me, Keith.
  • [5:08] Keith: Yeah,
  • [5:16] Keith: yeah, I wonder. Yeah, there's there's probably something about the man focusing on the woman
  • [5:20] Keith: that is more important for women when watch important than it is for men.
  • [5:24] Mike: Well, and but also like a guy who's just
  • [5:28] Mike: strong, big but also like
  • [5:32] Mike: like a lot of times like tattooed like, sort of this sort of
  • [5:41] Mike: kind of countercultural looking guy. There's some there's some type of guy you have to go there and sort of watch, but there's some type of guy they like that i e. I frankly find intimidating so it's not my favorite.
  • [5:54] Keith: Interesting. Yeah. Okay. All right. So this is our 20th episode. Are we doing anything? Yeah. Happy. That's not birthday happy. Happy anniversary. Happy
  • [5:55] Keith: something.
  • [6:01] Mike: Yeah, well, im just glad we've been able to provide so many people with so much useful, useful knowledge. Yeah,
  • [6:04] Keith: we're really doing God's work. Here we
  • [6:04] Mike: are. I think we
  • [6:10] Keith: are. Okay. So do you have a porn for us to watch her?
  • [6:21] Mike: Well, yeah. I mean, we've got a We've got a clip. Here s So the goal here is really to find something that z illuminating different. Something that maybe people wouldn't have seen all the time. And you have not watched it yet, right?
  • [6:28] Keith: I have not. I haven't. Haven't you it up here? I made sure it buffered. How long? How long is this clip? It's
  • [6:31] Mike: like, 25 seconds and then probably loops or something.
  • [6:35] Keith: Ok, we should we should try to sink. Are are you ready to go?
  • [6:41] Mike: Yeah, right. Click play three people as before, we'll put this in the show notes so people can follow along with us.
  • [6:46] Keith: Right? Right, right. Okay. All right. 321 click.
  • [7:10] Mike: All right, so It's a woman riding a man. She's kind of squeaking, making kind of. She's she's kind of moaning, and now she stands up and she's peeing in his mouth and she says, Eat that pussy to him And now she's sitting on his face. But she peed directly in his mouth, and now she's looking at the camera expectantly. Sort of like grinding against his face a little.
  • [7:12] Mike: And that's the end. And now we're
  • [7:18] Keith: looping. So any okay, that's not where I thought this was going to go. It seems
  • [7:34] Mike: like she's really enjoying. We're watching it again because it loops. It seems like she's really enjoying it, grinding on him like maybe that's getting her somewhere. But then suddenly she stops, pulls off of him and just clearly, in my view, urinates in his mouth. Is that your take two
  • [7:40] Keith: it iss Um, I think I think
  • [7:43] Keith: she is squirting now.
  • [7:51] Keith: There was a lot of debate about what constitutes squirting versus being, uh,
  • [7:59] Keith: and typically squirting does not look like this. Typically, squirting is more burst. E right,
  • [8:03] Mike: look. So yeah, I mean, obviously picked this for a reason.
  • [8:07] Keith: Yeah, yeah, I know. I know where this is going, but yeah, go ahead.
  • [8:22] Mike: Yeah. I mean, like, this is in the reason I picked it because it z yeah, and of course, the language I use. Maybe it's almost like we should each narrate it once and then, like, play for the listeners, both narrations because you obviously would have picked. I'm guessing you would have picked in the moment the term squirting. And I didn't
  • [8:26] Mike: because that's not the word I would use for what happened here. But also, like
  • [8:32] Keith: me to be clear, like, Yeah, let me just, like, try to describe So she Yeah, he's
  • [8:38] Keith: he's yeah, she's on top of him, She's riding him and then she pulls off and then
  • [8:54] Keith: yeah, like, actually, fairly impressively directs a 3 to 4 second long stream directly into his mouth like, yeah, it's like they've practiced this several times. It is. You imagine, even kind of think it would take several takes Thio.
  • [9:03] Mike: That would be difficult for a man, I think, even with a Penis to like, get it aimed that well and I would imagine, for a woman, it's like it's like a party trick right there.
  • [9:13] Keith: Yeah, well, in any way but she She pulls it off, but it's It's like it's like a rope. It's like it's like a It's a stream. It's not. It's not like convulsions or something,
  • [9:18] Mike: right? I mean, this is this is the point is that this, like, to me?
  • [9:33] Mike: And by the way, these videos that I'm sourcing here are have a lot of views, all right? These aren't just like some weird fetish site that I go to like these air. This is pretty mainstream. Honestly. And s o I say that because I think that
  • [9:46] Mike: this is enjoyed by men who think this is a normal female orgasmic behavior to pop off the guy's Penis and just have something scored out all over the place. Which is odd to me because I
  • [9:55] Keith: don't I don't like Okay, I want to differentiate between squirt and it's a squirt to me implies
  • [10:01] Keith: I mean, it's a loaded term, but it implies something that's burst e and what this is,
  • [10:02] Keith: doesn't
  • [10:06] Keith: it's It's something. It's something different.
  • [10:07] Keith: It
  • [10:11] Keith: the verb squirting doesn't evoke what I what I think I'm seeing in this video like
  • [10:16] Mike: a squirt. You imagine like a score. The word score to me thinks makes me think of a squirt gun,
  • [10:17] Mike: which I think is sort of
  • [10:45] Keith: Yeah, trigger like, four times, right? You know, And it and it It squirts several times. This is This is just like a stream. Yes, things is just being well, e s so cautious. You're supporting your struggling with my words here because I'm fairly sure most people's take would be that this is some sort of normal female ejaculation behavior.
  • [10:46] Keith: You think so?
  • [10:48] Keith: I don't know. I mean, this is okay.
  • [10:54] Mike: Hang on. Hang on. This is obviously I mean, I picked this one partly because I thought this was obviously
  • [11:17] Mike: like, There's no, like, there are There are porn's where the woman is trying. Okay, my view. I'll just be clear. And I think I've done this in previous episodes. Mike, my view is it's always p. It could be incontinence. In other words, it could be involuntary, but look at its peak. But the there are people make more of an effort in a porn. Oh, and sorry. There's another thing I want to say. Which is that in porn?
  • [11:26] Mike: Typically, the woman is not particularly aroused or, you know, it's Yeah, the woman is not necessarily like sexually enjoying this.
  • [11:34] Keith: You're making two arguments here. One is that it's P, I think, yes, that
  • [11:46] Keith: is likely the case, you know, it could be mixed with with, Well, it could be mixed with, like, lubrication fluid. But like, you know, like it's it's 90 x percent urine.
  • [11:54] Keith: And then to your arguing that the peeing behavior does not
  • [12:01] Keith: 100% correlate. In fact, I think you're arguing. It rarely correlates, especially in porn with an actual orgasm by the woman.
  • [12:06] Mike: I think that in real life you have women who
  • [12:14] Mike: it might have some P slip out because they have a bunch of muscular contractions down there and that that that's perfectly believable to me. Well,
  • [12:20] Keith: there's probably right, like right. Like I think most don't at all. And, um,
  • [12:34] Keith: probably do you know, like e don't know how many standard deviations that you need to get, but like there's some distance away from from Average, whereby people probably could have, like violent contractions that
  • [12:37] Keith: cause or tempt them or
  • [12:40] Keith: force them to
  • [12:41] Keith: shoot out.
  • [12:42] Keith: You're in.
  • [12:45] Mike: Yes, yes, that all is very all
  • [12:49] Keith: right. So we're haggling over, you know, So we're negotiating over
  • [12:55] Keith: what's what's normal, what's a little bit abnormal and what's
  • [12:59] Keith: basically acting and intentionally being in order to,
  • [13:00] Keith: Yeah,
  • [13:03] Keith: provide a scene for a pornographer.
  • [13:21] Mike: That's right. And I thought that this scene was a great exemplar of the situation where it's just clearly this is this is this, to me, is like the interesting part of it is like I'm imagining this scene from the woman's perspective and let me just say What I see going on here is that the woman is
  • [13:24] Mike: on top of the man being penetrated. But
  • [13:40] Mike: so he's, you know, the man is having sex, you know, his Penis is going in and out of a woman's vagina is enjoying that. However much a porn star does. That's not what she's doing it all. She's not having sex. She's sitting there thinking to herself, I have to pee in like, 30 seconds For this director,
  • [13:45] Keith: it's like it's like trying to cry on stage for yes, yes,
  • [14:04] Mike: and I'm imagining that she's like, okay, so and not having those parts of the anatomy I would imagine, I mean, for a man, okay, for a man, if somebody said you look, here's what you need to do, Keith, We're gonna give you $10,000 Thio appear in our porn. And all you have to do is fuck this girl
  • [14:07] Mike: pull out in the middle and p within five seconds.
  • [14:10] Mike: And I think you couldn't.
  • [14:23] Mike: I think you'd be, like, keep your money. I can't do it, right. I mean, it would be very difficult to do that even now they'd say, Hey, while you're thrusting, you could be preparing to pee. But it must be on Lee within five seconds of when you pull it.
  • [14:31] Keith: I'm certainly could not do that. I can't. I can't really p when I'm running or cycling, can you?
  • [14:34] Mike: Yeah. I peed one time, uh,
  • [14:43] Mike: while running It was very, very rainy. It was extraordinarily rainy. And I thought to myself was running and I thought to myself, You know what I can do now? I could just be
  • [14:48] Mike: and not stop like a horse. Does a horse stop. I don't know. I know they poop without stopping. And
  • [14:57] Keith: e I mean, maybe there's a range and horses behavior. Maybe they're like humans. Some can. Some can't. I can't like I need to like, Have you tried. Stop. Yeah, I have.
  • [15:02] Mike: Wait, wait. While physically running, I'm saying you understand, I didn't stop. I continued running. And I
  • [15:09] Keith: know exactly what you're saying. I'm saying specific. We I need to, like, stop and pause, and then they're like, needs to, you know, like my brain weight.
  • [15:21] Mike: But what's the context where you tried Because I gave you my minds of rain from this did really happened. It was quite difficult. It took, like, a half a mile of running before I could get it to come out. And I think it's because of this, like, psychological block you have from being taught not to be in the bed. Honestly,
  • [15:27] Keith: Yeah, I think so, too. I think it's mostly psychological. Yeah, like I think that's what a urologist would say. What's
  • [15:29] Mike: the context in which you try? Also,
  • [15:38] Keith: e tried the last time I tried. Yes, I was in North Carolina, Um, during like a really heavy rain, okay. And
  • [15:54] Keith: I was kind of I was doing a run and I like, kind of cared about the time. I was like, Oh, like, this would be like a time when this would be like a reasonable thing to try. Okay, Um, so we did That comes up and it comes up in triathlons pretty often, right, because you're on the bike for hours and hours and hours
  • [16:01] Keith: on your running for hours and hours and hours. And if you're like, running for time, you know, like wasting for even 45 seconds
  • [16:07] Keith: Is material interesting? Okay, Anyway, I think some people are better at this than others. Well,
  • [16:11] Mike: there's also a male female difference. Like that's the thing is like is so as a man,
  • [16:21] Mike: Yeah, you basically just said it would be impossible no matter how much money you were offered. You just physically can't do it. And so I'm thinking to myself, Well, that's interesting. I mean, so obviously a woman can do it.
  • [16:27] Mike: There's no sort of blockage there, and it just I just I don't know. I find it physically interesting. Like what?
  • [16:30] Mike: I don't know. It's just like an interesting physical behavior or experience.
  • [16:38] Keith: I mean, I think she's doing like a parlor trick here. It's a couple things about this video of note. The first is
  • [16:46] Keith: it's in a bed that this is it's This is somewhat amateur. It's It's not completely amateur, like I can see the man's like
  • [16:56] Keith: Penis and, like scrotum, are completely shaved. So that's not a thing that, like something I missed, uh, typically dio.
  • [17:04] Keith: But the background is it looks like there's, like a mop in the background. Or maybe, uh, some dirty laundry like it's not.
  • [17:08] Keith: This isn't this isn't a professional set up either, and so
  • [17:12] Mike: ruin a porn for you. If there's like a mop or dirty laundry in the background, you're just like I can't beat
  • [17:18] Keith: off your fucking clothes. I bring this up because
  • [17:19] Keith: yeah, like,
  • [17:25] Keith: I guess like, Like, why does she think this is a thing that the audience wants to see?
  • [17:25] Keith: Oh,
  • [17:30] Mike: that. Okay, so that that comes to like the crux of this, that like, it's not her, by the way. It's like the director. What?
  • [17:35] Keith: Maybe it's amateur. Maybe they forever. I think it's these might be just these two people with a webcam,
  • [17:40] Mike: Okay, but they like they believe it because it is a thing people want to see. And I know this because
  • [17:49] Mike: look, squirting is like, really, really common and actually on the sex subreddit, you frequently see women asking for tips on how to squirt.
  • [18:02] Mike: Okay, you're sort of like Okay, that's to me. That's like it's like, Hey, how can I have urinary incontinence, please? It's just, like, weird to me that they would ask that, but all right, um and I think what I think it is is it's that guys,
  • [18:06] Mike: guys want some sort of equivalent to the
  • [18:11] Mike: male ejaculation to come out of the woman. They want something toe happen mawr than just,
  • [18:37] Mike: you know, moaning and Cem muscular contractions down there. When the woman has an orgasm, they want something to happen. They want mawr, and women are like, All right, we'll do this thing that admittedly, some women, it just happens. But most of the time, it's just somebody sort of play acting, and I think that's what's going on. And I think I'd like to say to men is like, Stop it like this Just this is not common and thes women are all that air. They're doing this in porn are just They're just peeing. They're paying for you.
  • [18:42] Keith: I've been with a couple women who squirt.
  • [18:46] Keith: Presumably they're not doing this as an affectation,
  • [18:47] Keith: but maybe they maybe they are said
  • [18:56] Mike: no I think it happens. I think it happens. Sure. I mean, they probably didn't happen every time and yeah,
  • [19:03] Keith: and generally they were sort of embarrassed by it. Like, it didn't seem like something they really wanted to happen like it was involuntary.
  • [19:05] Mike: Yeah, I mean, it's embarrassing. Like I mean, it's embarrassing.
  • [19:10] Keith: That makes the best, like, you know, unlike this guy. And this this woman,
  • [19:16] Keith: we had not mastered it directly, perfectly depositing in my mouth. Nor is that something I would
  • [19:18] Keith: ever want to dio. So,
  • [19:20] Mike: yeah, I want a woman toe to do that to, you
  • [19:28] Keith: know? No, thanks. I can't get over the precision here. It's like a surgical strike.
  • [19:35] Keith: But I remember what I was saying. Yeah, like I can't I don't think they were doing it.
  • [19:39] Keith: Yeah, e I I believe it was. It was an involuntary thing.
  • [19:44] Mike: I agree with that. It's just that, like it irritates me that it's become
  • [19:45] Mike: in It's become a mean
  • [19:57] Keith: performative now, like affecting. It's like practicing peeing and like extreme circumstances, like Let me go, let me go sprint 200 m and see how quickly I could be immediately after, right and on some level.
  • [20:22] Mike: I think it's like, kind of misogynistic. It's like this thing where it's like women are being expected to do this thing that's not common and and what winds up happening, And I wonder how much it happens, like in the bedroom, like with, say, 20 year old who just dude is watched a bunch. But you know, there's a lot of stuff that, like 20 year old guys, want women to do just from watching perform this a standard thing you read about. And I wonder if they're these girls they're having, like practically you know, they're like, Look, I already practice deep throat ing.
  • [20:28] Mike: You know, I could do anal. I can, uh, you know, I do all these things. I got this list of things they could do. And they're like, Now I have to build
  • [20:33] Keith: up what's what's the next thing and the sexually liberated playbook, right?
  • [20:46] Mike: And it's like and it's and the thing about it is like and this is the thing I just don't know. But like from a guy's perspective like the notion of well, this is the thing is the notion of orgasm e and peeing. At the same time, to a guy is like, You're just like, Well, that must be really uncomfortable.
  • [20:52] Mike: Uh, because they're sort of opposite muscle motions for a guy,
  • [20:55] Mike: right? I mean, they feel sort of opposite, right? I mean, one is
  • [21:15] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I would say the thing. The time this comes up the most is I wake up in the morning. I have morning wood, but I also really need to pee. And so this is interesting. And what happened? Well, I go to the restroom, and, you know, I have my erection, and it's sort of a note, like I can pee through, like, an indirect Penis, but it's a little bit annoying. I
  • [21:19] Mike: thought you were going to say that you would have some sort of race between the P and your ejaculation,
  • [21:29] Keith: right? Yeah, right. It's not that. No, it's not that. I don't think I don't think like OK, you know. So I make up, I wake up with my morning wood,
  • [21:33] Keith: and like, sometimes I'll decide that I want to
  • [21:36] Keith: take care of that. Um,
  • [21:49] Mike: even though, would you before you've peed? Sometimes you're like, Look, I know I need to pee. Does is that yeah, The first question I mean, is that you sometimes beat off before you P. I think so. Does having that full bladder like I mean,
  • [21:52] Mike: does that good? Does that make it better?
  • [21:56] Keith: I think having to pee a little bit
  • [21:59] Keith: probably makes orgasm ing quickly
  • [22:01] Keith: a little bit easier.
  • [22:02] Mike: Why? Why do you think it just it? Just,
  • [22:09] Keith: like somehow, I don't know. Maybe there's something about the blood flow down there or something. I'm not. I'm not actually sure. Yeah,
  • [22:16] Mike: I've never noticed that, but I believe and I to I would say that my decision making there is purely some sort of, like, weird laziness.
  • [22:25] Mike: And the problem is, there's another problem. Which is that, like, once you started beating off mhm. If you go pee, you kinda have to start over.
  • [22:27] Keith: Yeah. I don't wanna, like, pivot back and forth,
  • [22:29] Mike: right. So you're kind of like once you start your
  • [22:33] Keith: like, you the path, you know, I'm gonna fork in the road and
  • [22:36] Mike: yeah, you're, like, already committed, like, seven minutes to this. I
  • [22:41] Keith: could finish one down like once. You've made the call. You can't easily switch. That's it. So
  • [22:47] Mike: I think for a guy It's a pragmatic thing. And thank God that, like, there aren't these weird
  • [22:50] Mike: things where women, the women are like, Hey,
  • [22:58] Mike: yeah, What I really want is for you to pee at the same time as you ejaculate. You're like, what? But that's the situation. Women are put in in some ways,
  • [22:59] Keith: maybe maybe it's no
  • [23:04] Mike: big deal for women. Maybe, but I just Yeah, you know, it reminds me also of, like, waxing. They're
  • [23:04] Keith: all these things
  • [23:08] Mike: that women are sort of expected to do because of what men have seen,
  • [23:15] Mike: maybe not expected. Maybe they want to, I don't know. But anyway, this just goes on the list, and it's this particular when I find kind of a bummer.
  • [23:25] Keith: Yeah, I guess there isn't really an analogy of, like, a thing a man is, like, sort of expected to do that he really wouldn't do. Except that it's like performative for the woman. And,
  • [23:57] Keith: yeah, I have to think about that. Okay, let's move on to another topic. Okay? This one is Okay, so this this person is wondering about favorite ways to extend sex. I was wondering what you guys is favorite ways to make sure Sex last longer. Personally, my boyfriend tends to come pretty quickly, and at the beginning I ended up winning and at the beginning ended up winning more. But the level of sensitivity made an immediate second round really uncomfortable or time. We found ways to extend our sex sessions, and now I end up pretty satisfied by the end.
  • [24:10] Keith: The favorite thing we do is when we stop going in and out. I just sit on his lap with his dick inside of me and then plays with my clip while still in me, and he gets to feel me alternate between clenching and loosening. As I twitch from the pleasure I get from him playing with me.
  • [24:11] Keith: It's kind
  • [24:16] Mike: of does that. You see, What do you is that Is that a thing you like?
  • [24:20] Keith: Well, I mean, it depends how much she can
  • [24:21] Keith: actually
  • [24:23] Keith: clench and loosen. I find
  • [24:27] Mike: clenching around the base of the cock sort of like it just doesn't matter.
  • [24:29] Keith: Yeah, it's not a great
  • [24:32] Mike: it just doesn't matter. It's like I I think that is overblown. It's like, Anyway, go
  • [24:34] Keith: on. Yeah.
  • [24:49] Keith: Anyway, she finishes, uh, it gives him control in a nice view and gives me lots and lots of pleasure, but it isn't so intense that it makes him come. All right. So, yeah, her strategy is to just slow down. It's really inventive. Um,
  • [24:56] Keith: some people in the comments talk about it, says, um,
  • [25:06] Keith: my wife and I do a lot of edging. Basically, when one of us gets the other close, will switch, who is in control. It's so much fun and can make for a much longer party.
  • [25:08] Keith: Okay,
  • [25:23] Mike: which is interesting, Which is interesting because that doesn't jibe. Well, it's like it's like, What's the response from, like the I have 37 orgasms crowd on the female side. I mean, this is a woman who's edging. Why is she edging? Shouldn't you just be able to have a bunch of them? I mean, So anyway, whatever. There's someone women that only have one. That's the point there.
  • [25:34] Keith: Yeah, I think I think there are women who have one and would prefer for the sexual encounter toe end shortly thereafter.
  • [25:36] Keith: Um oh, that's well, that's
  • [25:41] Mike: I think that happens. But I think, yeah, you know, like my, uh,
  • [25:48] Mike: suspicion aims more at the women who claimed to have really large numbers in a short period of time.
  • [25:50] Keith: Yeah,
  • [25:54] Keith: well, I had a partner who preferred one and done.
  • [25:56] Keith: It was just
  • [25:59] Mike: the one you had to race with. Yeah, we've talked about it before. That was good.
  • [26:02] Keith: Yeah.
  • [26:11] Keith: Okay. Is what do you think? Like Okay, what is the variance? And like, men's ability to last for a long time,
  • [26:15] Keith: Like is there, like, actual massive differences there, Which there could be
  • [26:18] Keith: okay or
  • [26:20] Keith: is,
  • [26:21] Keith: like,
  • [26:30] Keith: sort of like a selfish component to it? Like Like, I think anyone could just sort of, like, stop when they're about to come. Uh,
  • [26:33] Mike: I don't think that's true. I mean, like it, uh
  • [26:33] Mike: I mean, there is a
  • [26:41] Keith: point. A point of no return, obviously. Like I can I Can you normally recognize when that's coming?
  • [27:07] Mike: Yeah. I mean, but there's a couple things like one. Is it like a pretty common thing you read about? I don't think in my life I mean, it s I say that it zits primarily younger, you know, like teen guys, maybe early twenties that have this happened mawr. I don't think I ever in my life had this experience, Maura. I mean, everybody I think it has happened occasionally. Like where it's just for whatever reason, Like you, you need to finish quickly.
  • [27:12] Mike: Um, but yeah. I mean, like, I think they're like, in the real anyway,
  • [27:25] Mike: their guys where it's, like, 20 seconds. And so you're like, Oh, just stop. And he's like, Well, wait a minute. You want me to stop after five seconds? Like, what's he supposed to do? Like you? Just like the curve goes up so quickly for him that almost anything that happens, it's gonna happen quickly.
  • [27:27] Keith: Right?
  • [27:59] Keith: Okay, Okay, look. All right. I know that there's, like, huge variance in, like, my own ability to perform on that access. Now that I was I was thinking about this, what you were talking. So, for example, if I've had several orgasms recently, I'm probably less sensitive or it takes more to get me to the next one. Um, there's also like a condom makes a difference. You can get these, like, desensitizing lotions. I don't know if the lotion or spray, um, you could do things that enhance like, I think a cock ring like
  • [28:05] Keith: causes like more blood flow and maybe more sensitivity. So there's There's all that kind of stuff. I think you can also.
  • [28:07] Keith: Yeah,
  • [28:11] Keith: how to say this. Okay. I think you can
  • [28:12] Keith: angle
  • [28:16] Keith: yourself in ways that,
  • [28:18] Keith: uh,
  • [28:25] Keith: cause, like, less friction. So for me, I think, like the most sensitive part of my Penis is, like, you know, underneath toward the front.
  • [28:38] Keith: The dude is there, like a name for that area? Yeah, the front of them. Okay, so the front of him you could sort of control. Like, how much friction it's it's experiencing based on, like, your angle. So you s
  • [28:57] Mike: o teach us here, like, what are what are So when you say I mean, you're saying, change your angle, but let's let's, uh let's give our listeners some insights here. Like what? Angles. What are the angles? Because I think it's normal for God Have that party the most sensitive, which is great. What are the angles that you find? Get you off faster. And what angles get you off slower?
  • [29:05] Mike: This would help women to our women listeners so they can know. Yeah, I've been at least women that air having sex with you can know. Like what? Whether he's slowing down or speeding up
  • [29:08] Keith: well, for starters, I might not want them to know that, but
  • [29:11] Mike: well, if it's secret, yeah. No, it's
  • [29:28] Keith: not secret, though. I actually I'm thinking about it. In my mind, I'm trying to think about what it is, but okay. All right. Let's say you are having you're having, like, a cowgirl sex she's on. She's on top of you. Okay? She's facing This is cowgirl. Not not Reverse, cowgirl. Okay,
  • [29:34] Keith: I can move. I can sort of shift my hips so that they're lower or higher and
  • [29:37] Mike: lower. Higher. You mean sort of down the bed or up the bed,
  • [29:45] Keith: right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm actually not sure which one of those will increase.
  • [29:55] Keith: Uh, friend Elim friction in which one will decrease, but one of them, I mean, you know, both of them have some sort of non zero impact, and so you could sort of experiment yourself and see, like, which one?
  • [29:57] Keith: Ah,
  • [30:10] Mike: So you're saying that you don't have I mean, you're you're It's difficult for you to I hear you about not knowing which one of impact. What part of your cock? The right, In a certain way. But you're saying that you can't even remember You can't really remember,
  • [30:13] Mike: like direction works, right?
  • [30:21] Mike: You have to. You have to be in the moment. In the moment, we would have to do some sort of simulation like we have to put like a We could get, like, a blow up doll and put it on top of you.
  • [30:24] Mike: And then maybe you'd remember them something. You know something? Where you sort of put yourself in
  • [30:29] Keith: the, you know, like, you know, like a female anatomy is a little bit different from a blow up dolls. No,
  • [30:44] Mike: no, I wasn't suggesting you actually having sex with. I was just suggesting maybe if you got into the position, you could be like, Oh, yeah, you know that I go down? Yeah, that right. You could sort of lie down and you could sort of, like, angle your microphone over you, you know? Yeah.
  • [30:46] Mike: Yeah,
  • [30:56] Keith: yeah. E mean, yeah. Without getting into specifics. It's been a little while since I've had sex. And so, Yeah, I can't remember this e
  • [30:59] Mike: don't remember where I put it. Uh,
  • [31:10] Keith: yeah, I Yeah. I mean, look, yeah. I mean, this general advice is yeah, you could experiment with with you know you're positioning to try to reduce friction, but okay, anyway, all right, Well, that's actually
  • [31:20] Mike: asking, people. Hang on. I was asking you this, actually, because I don't find that I don't find the angle matters very much. I find that depth
  • [31:20] Mike: matters more.
  • [31:22] Keith: Okay, that does matter for sure.
  • [31:27] Mike: Well, to me, it's like matters a lot more. And then, of course, there's this whole thing where, like,
  • [31:29] Mike: like your
  • [31:44] Mike: and this it makes It makes some sense to me like terms of the way nerves work or something. It's like the most sensitive part of your cock kind of moves around. So it's like if you if you yeah, you say all the underside of the front of them is the most sensitive. Fine. But if you sit there and stimulated for a minute,
  • [32:04] Mike: you know it. Actually, something else might be more sensitive. It's like it's like you burn out those nerves. And so I think there's something where, like, you want to move around what you're doing, and I think like women kind of know this intuitively that, like if they're blowing a guy and they do the same thing for too long, like the guy's cock will get a little bit softer like, Oh, I need to, like, change what I'm doing, right?
  • [32:13] Keith: Yeah. I mean, like, there's a whole constellation around, like, varying stimulation and, you know, trying different things and all that kind of stuff. But I mean, okay, alright. But this question
  • [32:17] Mike: is not actually about this is the opposite. This is a guy that's coming too soon, right?
  • [32:22] Keith: Yeah, like I want to know if it's possible through, like, repeated edging,
  • [32:27] Keith: everything else being equal can you like, materially train yourself to
  • [32:28] Keith: last longer?
  • [32:33] Mike: So hang on. Let's just make sure that people know what edging is. Edging is where you
  • [32:43] Mike: I think a man or a woman. You get close, get to the point where maybe let's just talk is a man. Your Penis is sort of twitching a little, or you feel like you're gonna nut, and then you back off and you
  • [32:56] Keith: get close as you can, Thio. I mean, you get you don't wanna get us close as you can. You don't wanna You don't wanna make a mistake there, but you get close to orgasm ing and then you pull back the stimulation. So you move away from right
  • [32:58] Mike: and they're like and you read
  • [33:14] Mike: This isn't something that I've spent a lot of time in my life maybe is like a teenager. It's probably is e have to think carefully, but not many time Recently, I read about this a fair amount online, and I always think to myself something like, You know, don't these guys have a hobby?
  • [33:49] Mike: Uh, it's a little gross, like the notion of a guy just And I've seen videos of guys doing this, and it just goes on and on and you're like, man, like, no one wants to see that E. Think yourself like optimizing your pleasure that much like, Why not just flip all the cards and, like, go go to heroin? Like, really? It's like if you're gonna spend, like, four hours and people will say that they'll make these claims about Yeah, man, I edged for six hours and then they'll be a video of their nut right after that. And it will be an impressive nut. But I'm always thinking man, like, couldn't you have used those six hours like you could have gotten a reasonable nut in 20 minutes, 15 minutes and then spent, like five hours and 45 minutes like
  • [33:54] Mike: I don't know, like volunteering somewhere, something like, Did you really have to spend six hours? You're
  • [34:02] Keith: buying the like 80 20 role here, Thio edging with 20% of the edging. You could get 80% of the benefits, but there's also just like it's kind
  • [34:03] Mike: of gross. Like I don't like
  • [34:11] Mike: I don't know the notion of men optimizing their pleasure like that. I don't know why. Maybe because I'm hetero just It just kind of grosses me out.
  • [34:12] Mike: I don't know
  • [34:17] Mike: a woman doing it. On the other hand, let me think about that. I don't know, Woman might be more compelling,
  • [34:24] Mike: less common, probably like denying herself the release or something. Yeah, yeah, I just think that, like,
  • [34:37] Mike: I don't think that's is common. I think women are more straight for the women. Don't sit around thinking well, yeah, women are like, you know, having these normal thoughts. And men are sitting there thinking man, if I could just get my orgasm intensity to a 7.3, that's what I really need.
  • [34:38] Mike: Yeah,
  • [34:46] Keith: I'm still not satisfied that you've answered my question here. My question is, Could a dedicated trainer
  • [34:50] Keith: trainee a person who's dedicated to training himself
  • [34:51] Mike: like a paddle juan,
  • [35:01] Keith: make him make himself last materially longer by, like, alternating his masturbation habits So that he's he's,
  • [35:02] Keith: you know, edging. I'm
  • [35:16] Mike: sure he could, because he would learn to recognize better. I'm sure part of premature premature is like that. The word people use some other word for it now because premature is, like, not politically correct, but premature ejaculation early.
  • [35:18] Keith: Yeah. Shame people for their premature.
  • [35:21] Mike: I think people yell about that on the sexy. But anyway,
  • [35:22] Keith: you're probably right.
  • [35:25] Mike: Um, yeah, I think people. So I think one of the
  • [35:36] Mike: difficulty is one of the challenges those people can have is they don't recognize the signals and before it's too late. And so I think you can become more attuned Just how it works.
  • [35:42] Keith: Can man, like, over the age of 25 I made it? Yeah, sure. If you're 14 and like,
  • [35:45] Mike: I hear you're Yeah, you're basically like I've
  • [35:52] Keith: experienced all the signals. Hundreds. Wow. Yeah, probably thousands of times. Um,
  • [35:56] Mike: more than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a lot of semen. That's
  • [35:57] Keith: a lot of
  • [35:58] Mike: sperm. A lot of babies
  • [36:06] Keith: anyway. Um, but yeah. So, you know. Yeah, Like, I feel like I know
  • [36:10] Keith: most of what there is to know about what it feels like right before I'm going to orgasm.
  • [36:39] Mike: Yeah. And you're saying, like, given that given being. But But you see, this is the thing. This is I think, see, this is sort of a tautology, right? This is why this problem or issue or challenge diminishes. I think with age partly, it's probably because, like, you just become a little less sensitive, a little less horny. But secondly, I just think like, yeah, you start to learn this stuff, and so really, like you're saying, Oh, I'm not 14. But it's like, that's sort of the point, right? It's like you have gone through this training. This person asking this question probably is relatively young
  • [36:45] Mike: or in experienced and is looking for Well, how do I get that training? And the answer is just beat off, son.
  • [36:47] Mike: Get to work.
  • [37:02] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. To do it as much as positive as much as hell. Yeah. I mean, that's what all teenage boys do anyway, so I think so. Okay. I'm gonna move on to our next topic here. This one, Uh, the person removed the post, but
  • [37:11] Keith: ah, yeah. Fortunately, we have removed it to to resurrect. It s Oh, this person says her boyfriend is too fat to have sex.
  • [37:31] Keith: He's working on it, but to put it simply it his weight, it is very challenging. Toe have sex, so we rarely do it successfully. I'm not breaking up with him. We've been together a long time, but trying to come up with solutions that don't make him make me resent him. There's only so much Ali Loken Dio help. What is what is a Lilo? Has it spelled l e l o
  • [37:37] Mike: don't know, Be too boring for our audience to figure it out. Yeah,
  • [37:39] Mike: someone who wants to make it work with her boyfriend.
  • [37:50] Keith: Yeah. Okay. All right. So this brings up, like, a few things here. I want to be a little bit delicate. Um
  • [37:52] Keith: What?
  • [37:56] Keith: Okay, so All right. You can be a heavy enough.
  • [37:59] Keith: Say you're north of, like,
  • [38:02] Keith: 250 or maybe £300 which is a
  • [38:17] Mike: man or a woman. This is a man. No, no, I mean, for your example. Is it a man, because that matters a lot like a like in my okay, I don't have a lot of experience with weight issues generally from myself or from a female partner. But
  • [38:21] Mike: my impression, from what I've seen, uh,
  • [38:29] Mike: and cannot unsee from porn is that having an overweight woman matters a little less than an overweight man.
  • [38:30] Mike: That's why it matters
  • [38:32] Keith: in terms of in terms of the physical mechanics of him.
  • [38:35] Mike: Yes, like there. Like there.
  • [38:42] Mike: The reality is that, like, in almost any situation of God, it's a little rough. But in almost any situation,
  • [38:45] Mike: the doggy style position is gonna work with a woman.
  • [39:00] Mike: Mhm. From what I've seen online from my various investigations now a man, the problem is like men put on weight. Typically, not all but men typically put on weight in their stomach. And the problem is like that actually begins to interfere with your Penis, right?
  • [39:03] Keith: Yeah. Like includes it. Yeah.
  • [39:12] Keith: Okay. But you could still lift your gut up, right? Or maybe that's not like a sustainable long, you know, thing to do for a sex sex. I just think
  • [39:20] Mike: it becomes challenging, right? It's like it's not it zits because you're expected. You know, there's issues like, I mean, it's a little bit aerobic. Uh,
  • [39:28] Mike: yeah. I mean, my impression is generally like that. Being heavy consort of suppress sex drive could make it sort of more complicated for a guy. OK, yeah.
  • [39:36] Keith: Thats stuff tales until, like a slightly different topic. Do you think that overweight people
  • [39:40] Keith: are
  • [39:44] Keith: like, Okay? I don't find overweight people a.
  • [39:56] Keith: To be particularly sexually attractive? Do overweight people feel the same way about that? Or does something change in their brain chemistry, where they don't mind it as much in a partner?
  • [40:08] Mike: You're asking why? Why does when? Somewhat although it's not. But what? You might have the impression that an overweight person, often as a partner, is also overweight. That's where that's where this is coming from, right? Is it what
  • [40:17] Mike: that an overweight person has a partner that is also overweight, which is not always true, actually, But But OK, you know, it's somewhat it happens.
  • [40:21] Mike: I don't think that it changes the standard of attractiveness. I just think that it's like people.
  • [40:31] Keith: I don't think it would either. So but that's doesn't that mean that, like both partners, are pretty likely to not be that attracted to their partner.
  • [40:34] Mike: I mean, I think that, like, it's, you know,
  • [40:44] Mike: people can have attractiveness that's beyond skin deep. But in terms of, like, just pure physicality, I don't think it's particularly likely that it changes your brain to make you think that
  • [40:50] Mike: say, an obese person is physically attractive. That seems unlikely to me. But, like, you know, you might value other things, right?
  • [40:53] Keith: Yeah. Still, that kind of sucks.
  • [40:53] Keith: Well,
  • [40:57] Mike: it depends. I mean, if you yourself in that situation, then you have to ask Well,
  • [41:04] Mike: I mean, I don't know. It might suck. It might not. It might. You know, you have a commonality on some level. I don't really know.
  • [41:06] Keith: Yeah,
  • [41:09] Keith: Yeah, I don't know either.
  • [41:10] Keith: Uh,
  • [41:16] Mike: but sure, you definitely run across on the sex subreddit somewhat frequently thes things where people will
  • [41:22] Mike: Well, I mean, there's like, there's, like, the people who have difficulty having sex because of weight. So you see that
  • [41:23] Mike: then you also will see people
  • [41:28] Keith: issue. But then there's also, like, a attractiveness issue, like libido issue. Write
  • [41:30] Mike: something about the mechanic mechanical issue.
  • [41:46] Keith: But, I mean, these are all issues, right? Like the heavier you are like probably your sex hormones sort of diminish. Maybe, Um, there's the mechanical issue. And then there's, like the physical attractiveness to each other issue. And like all three of those, I think could be kind of rough. Yeah, I have. For whatever
  • [41:57] Mike: reason. Well, I don't know. I was going to say that I could see the man having it suppressed more than the woman from weight. But I don't know if that's true, because the woman might not feel attractive. It's it's tricky,
  • [42:23] Mike: it's tricky. But it's generally my bias is that weight on a woman is like a little bit more normal than on a man. When I say normal, I mean, like, biologically normal because women gain weight for pregnancy. You know they have higher body fats to begin with. And so, like, I just feel like that might be less impactful, uh, below a certain threshold, obviously, whereas for a man like it's, I suspect that it's like, somewhat quickly impactful. I don't know, though,
  • [42:25] Keith: Okay,
  • [42:31] Keith: Yeah. All right, Let's let's move on. All right, So this person says they get sleepy during foreplay.
  • [42:52] Keith: Not after orgasms. I do get sleepy after those two, sometimes because I don't orgasm during foreplay. I organism during sex. But while getting touched, I sometimes relaxed too much. Yeah, skin to skin contact. I have 25 female noticed has a bit of tranquilizing effect on me, contrary to what people seem to experience how to deal.
  • [42:56] Keith: So somebody suggests that
  • [43:01] Keith: there there's some sort of chemical release in your brain.
  • [43:02] Keith: I don't know if it's
  • [43:05] Keith: serotonin or dopamine,
  • [43:10] Keith: but there's some sort of chemical release, and that might be causing fatigue.
  • [43:23] Mike: I just think like my like, if the problem is like, you can't thes things were like, really hard to look into without, or think about in some ways without immediately being politically incorrect. But like my my take on this is she's not aroused.
  • [43:35] Mike: Yeah, like arousal. Like think about the word arousal. Arousal. I was aroused from my sleep like arousal is the opposite of fatigue, right? And so it's like and then she says, and also for me, like a
  • [43:37] Mike: thing that jumps out of me is like,
  • [43:42] Mike: Oh, I don't orgasm from foreplay. Orgasm from sex. Well, you know, most women,
  • [43:44] Mike: maybe the, uh,
  • [44:00] Mike: vast majority of women do orgasm from some kind of foreplay. It could be penetrated foreplay, but it's, you know, I mean, there's look, People masturbate and there's like, foreplay simulates masturbation, right? You know, so and then intercourse is sort of different. So it's like when she says that I start to think, Well, wait a minute. Like
  • [44:14] Mike: you, don't you quote unquote don't orgasm for before play. Well, are you orgasm at all? Like, are you or you're just not aroused. And so you're just Yeah, You're just, like, falling asleep because, yeah, it feels nice to be caressed, but you're just not aroused. I don't What's your thought?
  • [44:18] Keith: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, she says
  • [44:24] Keith: I even kind of this is in a comment. I even kind of like it when doctors touch and poke me. It feels oddly calming.
  • [44:27] Mike: Oh, I love that. I agree with that.
  • [44:56] Mike: Yeah, there may be like if there may be a fetish there something I totally group that. I had my eyes checked recently, and like any time, I have, like a doctor do that stuff. E don't know. We've discussed this on the podcast before, but like any time I have like, I'm checked now, obviously, if they're checking you because they're like checking you for cancer, so that would be very different. I'm I'm talking normal, routine checkups where it's like you expect everything to be fine and they're like eso. They're just sort of poking and prodding your body or with your eyes. They're just like, Oh, you know, place your chin Here, let me touch your eyelid There I find all that like hyper calming.
  • [45:00] Keith: Well, I think the doctors, I think good doctors try to affect,
  • [45:01] Keith: you know,
  • [45:02] Keith: behavior pattern that makes
  • [45:15] Mike: people e think I would have like a hypertension. I think I may have some sort of, like fetish or something around it, because, like, it's, it's tranquilizing. To me, it's like Mawr than just like Oh, yeah, I feel calm. It's like it's like I'm like,
  • [45:19] Keith: Is it arousing in any way like, is there any sexual component to it?
  • [45:39] Mike: Well, I mean, I've wondered that before, whether like that could somehow there could be a connection there. Um, not in my experience, but it's purely like, yeah, it's just it's like it's Yeah, it's like hypnotizing. That's a good word. It's like hypnotizing and like I could. You're sort of like, Oh, man, I wish this could go on twice a long. Yeah, just keep keep checking My eyes keep showing me letters.
  • [45:53] Keith: Yeah, I I think I feel yeah, I think I feel the same way. But yeah, there's no there's no well, yeah, there's no sexual component to it, though. It's just it's, like relaxing to be sort of, I don't know, maybe it Maybe that's like that. I find it
  • [46:02] Mike: like, extremely relaxing to the point where, like it, it feels like it's tickling something in my brain that's adjacent to sexual arousal. It's not, but it's like most
  • [46:06] Keith: tranquilizing was a good word. Yeah, yeah, which is, like, I've always
  • [46:19] Mike: I've always, by the way, when I've maybe 10 times or fewer in my life got massages and I generally, you know, you go in and I say, I wanna you First of all you one time I got a guy I don't know if you have You ever had a male misuse?
  • [46:23] Keith: I have. I think I've had more massages in my life than you.
  • [46:32] Mike: Okay, so you you know, generally, as I learned, you can, um, you could basically tell them you want a female misuse and it's not a big deal. I know from us
  • [46:39] Keith: just quickly to interject. I know someone who worked at a spa and she told me that,
  • [46:46] Keith: like, 90 whatever percent of the time, people prefer the opposite sex to massage them. Sure, Yeah. I mean, when I had
  • [46:50] Mike: a man, it was fine and actually think his hands were sort of stronger. So there are probably some positive.
  • [46:53] Keith: I mean, you could make an argument that that men might be able to
  • [47:00] Keith: do, um, or capable job because I don't know. They understand your anatomy better, and they have stronger hands. But
  • [47:07] Mike: actually, given your preponderance or your, ah, higher level of experience with this, maybe you can answer this question like
  • [47:24] Mike: I've often thought, of course, with co vid, I can't I guess. I mean, there's probably no safe way to get a massage right now. But every time I go in like I'll say, Hey, I go, I do running. So I you know, I've got some tight muscles and they always just injure me. They just go after me, which is fine, and I may be good for me I'm not sure but
  • [47:25] Keith: what I actually
  • [47:35] Mike: want. And I wonder if there's words I could say to them that gets this. What I actually want is them to give me a massage, like, puts me into that tranquilized state for, like, an hour and a half. Like, Is there a thing you can say? Is there like a I'm
  • [47:52] Keith: not sure. I feel like sports massage is often too aggressive. Like I think the increased blood flow is good. I think for certain kinds of injuries, like really aggressive massage could, like, help break up scar tissue. But yeah, this thing where, like I leave more sore than I thought I entered is
  • [48:07] Mike: you understand that it's not I'm not trying to get that. I'm trying. I'm not trying to get away from the soreness or the whatever. Like, I don't that e I don't I don't know whether that helps or not, but I'm trying to get something that's essentially a plan. Ah, pleasure massage.
  • [48:10] Mike: Is there a thing that you say to a masseuse to be like? Look,
  • [48:24] Mike: I just want you to, like e want this to be like, yeah, the moral equivalent of like, uh the doctor, or I guess, some sort of like prostitution experience without without any sex. I just want to be pleased for an hour and a half.
  • [48:44] Keith: Yeah. I mean, this is not super interesting content, but yeah. I mean, the key, as with many things physical, is to just communicate what you want. All right? I mean, yeah, they built. I mean, look. Ah, lot of places have, like, various menus. So you try to pick the thing that you know, the kind of massage looks closer to what you want, and then you you
  • [48:46] Mike: relax ation massage or something.
  • [48:52] Keith: Yeah. Okay, so Alright, we're getting We've got, like,
  • [48:59] Keith: maybe 15 minutes left here. Maybe it's time to do fecal matters, and I'm not sure.
  • [49:02] Keith: Well, I think we are going to get into.
  • [49:05] Keith: I think it's going to start, Okay. And then it might deteriorate a bit, but this one
  • [49:13] Mike: doesn't have to be. It's the reason we put it in the at the end of the Our little mental spreadsheet here is because it z
  • [49:20] Mike: it's It involves a thing going into an anise. Not we know that we've had in the past mawr
  • [49:25] Mike: graphic content than that, but this is less graphic. But anyway, it still involves that. So that's where we
  • [49:31] Keith: are. Yeah, I still want it. And I want to read that guy's comment and I haven't read it yet, So
  • [49:37] Keith: yeah, anyway, All right, so this person says I pegged my sugar daddy.
  • [49:49] Keith: Yeah, I said it. I pegged my sugar daddy. It was the first time I've ever done it. It was an interesting and intimate experience. I brought it up and he said, Yes, whatever I want to try. That's all. Big smiley face. It's It's a smiley face with, like, you know, you could see the
  • [50:07] Mike: teeth now. Importantly, this was on the Sugar Lifestyle Forum Subreddit, which is one I'm not a sugar daddy. I guess I could demographically, I could be, but I'm not. I don't have any interest in it, but but But I'm interested. I'm interested in it. I'm not interested in for my own life, but I'm interested in it for
  • [50:09] Mike: for as a
  • [50:32] Mike: I just just a thing to study and understand about human behavior. So this is a forum where older men say above 40 maybe, and younger women, much younger women say under. Certainly under 30 I think. Although, maybe up to 35 kind of, you know, the the sugar Daddy sugar baby thing. And this is where people talk about it. Right? So it's a form, way frequent.
  • [50:36] Keith: The women typically skewed toward early twenties. Um,
  • [50:39] Mike: I'm sure they're going to be the most successful anyway. Yeah.
  • [50:42] Keith: Why would someone want to?
  • [50:45] Keith: Well, okay. All right. So this person
  • [50:48] Keith: enjoys having
  • [51:04] Keith: I mean, does everyone know what pegging is? Pegging is when the female, I guess it could be a man, but a man would have a pianist, so he probably would. Yeah, that's just sadly, it depends, but the girl wears a strap on dildo.
  • [51:12] Keith: And then well, I actually do. They even does it have to be a strap on? Can she just do it with her hand? Can she just use the dildo with her hand? Does that count is pegging?
  • [51:12] Keith: I don't
  • [51:16] Mike: think that counts. I think that I think the important I think that what men want
  • [51:18] Mike: is
  • [51:34] Mike: God. I think what men want. I just I sort of understand on some level, but it's just like whatever. And what men want is they want to have somebody. They basically what men want is to basically try. I think our like have the experience of sex with a guy. So they want someone to grab their hips,
  • [51:41] Mike: stick something in there how to be like You don't want something that they want. The full, the full Monty.
  • [51:43] Keith: I have never
  • [51:46] Keith: Ben pegged, um
  • [51:54] Keith: and so I don't know what it feels like. Toe have a dildo in my anus, but
  • [51:58] Keith: I think some people would argue that it doesn't necessarily
  • [52:02] Keith: like people can enjoy prostate play without being gay.
  • [52:03] Keith: Oh, yeah,
  • [52:20] Mike: yeah, yeah. No, I'm not. I'm sorry. I did not mean to imply that it's that it makes people gay. In fact, I think there's there too specific behaviors that men have that I think are really genuinely believe or not Gay behavior. I think this is something that would get argument from some people that we talked to.
  • [53:01] Mike: Um, one of them is there's this thing that guys have, where they like. Maybe this one is sort of gay. But the one of them that you see a lot is this thing where guys like don't wanna They don't wanna have anything to do with another guy, but they want to give a blow. This is a thing, you see. Okay, so this is like the glory hole fantasy and the other one is this pegging thing, and I just like I think it involves. It's not exactly gay because they don't wanna, like, go to a bar and have drinks with a guy and make out in the back room. They just want to have sex with a Penis. And I think that, like, I think you almost it's like E think that is truly a different category Importantly, because I just don't think it does not mean that you in any way want have a relationship with a man. You're not gay in any sense. You're never going to marry a man or anything.
  • [53:07] Keith: Do you think if you enjoy prostate play, which is to say
  • [53:11] Keith: yeah, Do you think that a Penis is
  • [53:15] Keith: better than a dildo in terms of like,
  • [53:17] Keith: ah,
  • [53:18] Keith: the pleasure it can deliver?
  • [53:23] Mike: I think so. I mean, women say it is like I think that they're I think they're too
  • [53:27] Keith: Penis is better than a dildo If they're having anal sex.
  • [53:30] Mike: Well, I don't I'm not true.
  • [53:46] Mike: I'm not sure you just add that last bit was a doozy. I'm not sure that I've read or encountered a female opinion specifically on female receptive anal sex dildo versus peanuts but in general, for sex with a woman, The penises veteran, too.
  • [54:17] Mike: I guess two or three respects one is that it's attached to a guy, so it moves in a sort of natural way. You can simulate that with the strap on, although in my experience from watching women with strap ons and porn like, I don't think they it's clearly not a man doing the action like that. Their hips don't work the same way or something. Secondly, uh, there's this shape and sort of warmth and stuff like that, like I think women claim is better. And then thirdly, I think that there is a substantial thrill that women and maybe men. Yeah, actually, I would say certainly men get out of
  • [54:24] Mike: the fact that a Penis can ejaculate. And so like, so like, I would imagine that if you are a guy who likes being pegged.
  • [54:31] Mike: Gosh, I'm guessing, although this is I'm having to sort of think about this purely philosophically, But I was gonna say I imagine
  • [54:51] Mike: that it's a little bit of a letdown that she can't act, that the woman can't actually orgasm from what she's doing to you. Does that make sense? Like I think that, like the ultimate fantasy, is a woman pegging you. This is why I think transsexuals are compelling to guys like pegging you. And then actually, she gets off on it. I think that, like that's even like another level. And so I think those air three independent ways
  • [54:53] Mike: that it is better, I think that would apply to a man.
  • [54:55] Keith: It's sort of interesting, toe like
  • [55:06] Keith: frame like Yeah, like what constitutes homosexuality in this context, like if a Penis is a significantly more compelling device to be delivered
  • [55:10] Keith: prostate play with Yeah,
  • [55:11] Keith: yeah, like,
  • [55:14] Keith: Is that is that gay
  • [55:19] Keith: like? Maybe it's just maybe it's just true that it's it's a better It's a better experience for prostate Don't
  • [55:29] Mike: Yeah, I don't see you're saying prostate play, but I don't think that's right, because the because I think that if a guy was okay, I think that if a guy was purely interested in that,
  • [55:35] Mike: he would want to try something where he lies on his back. Like there's this guy
  • [55:41] Mike: that makes his he and his wife or girlfriend whatever. Make Porn's amateur porn's amateurish there
  • [55:43] Mike: closer to professional than some stuff.
  • [55:45] Mike: And
  • [55:50] Mike: one of their standard trope says she, like, beats him off while sticking her finger up his butt. Right,
  • [55:52] Mike: So you do something like that if you wanted prostate
  • [55:53] Keith: play, Maybe with,
  • [55:54] Mike: you know, maybe your fingers not long enough, you
  • [55:56] Keith: get think this is
  • [56:08] Mike: not that. Thing is you are now adopting the doggy style position, typically with her behind you. You can't see her.
  • [56:14] Mike: It just feels a lot more. This is not prostate play. This is I want to know what it's like to have sex with a man.
  • [56:22] Keith: Uh, I mean, I don't know, like, I haven't experimented with Prostate Place, so I don't know if it's the case that
  • [56:36] Keith: certain things feel like way, way, way better than others. Like, you know, maybe there's a big difference between no, uh, you know, your girlfriends like timid pinky and her, you know, just strapping on this huge strap on. Well,
  • [56:52] Mike: no, hang on. Hang on, because there's a middle ground there so mystery. Strapping on a huge strap on Jesus? No, like, look, there's a middle ground there. Which is she's holding, say, a vibrating dildo or something, right? And this is the thing is like women consistently.
  • [56:57] Mike: It's pretty consistent that a woman will say, Look a man's fingers in her vagina
  • [57:02] Mike: arm Or they could just b'more dexterous than a Penis.
  • [57:14] Mike: The Penis has psychological dimensions. It has a certain shape, warmth and so forth. But like the reality is, if you're going for, like, prostate players like, Hey, I want you to stimulate this thing, which is sort of analogous in my mind, like a G spot kind of thing.
  • [57:26] Mike: That's the fingers. Or maybe a dildo that she's doing with her hand is once you go to a strap on like you have, actually, actually, the amount of specificity in precision actually goes quite a bit down, right?
  • [57:30] Mike: So I just don't think it could be that. I think what he wants is to have his hips grabbed,
  • [57:34] Mike: you know, and feel someone back there, you know, really giving it to him.
  • [57:41] Mike: I think that's what this is about, E. It's sort of I mean, honestly, it sort of makes sense to me like I'm not
  • [57:49] Keith: I mean, I don't know what e don't know what's going on in the case of this sugar daddy, Like I suspect he has
  • [57:52] Keith: some un explored.
  • [57:54] Keith: Who knows? I don't know. I don't know
  • [57:58] Mike: where you're going to say unexplored gay thing. I don't know because I disagree with that. I like this. I
  • [58:07] Keith: consider me These guys may or may not. Here's what I'm here is like what I'm like, sort of what's piqued. My intellectual curiosity here is
  • [58:09] Keith: Yeah, like
  • [58:11] Keith: what?
  • [58:14] Keith: Like if you enjoy prostate play
  • [58:25] Keith: can can you be adequately? Can you? Can you adequately scratch that itch with a woman using her fingers or a dildo? Yes.
  • [58:33] Keith: Okay, so a Penis doesn't make it. UH, doesn't better. There's there's, there's, there's, there's a
  • [58:39] Keith: There is no material difference between a Penis and anything that a woman could dio
  • [58:48] Mike: pretty much. I mean, like I said, you could go back to the analogy of what a woman what women say. And they will say that the penises has a certain shape and so forth. But really, look, let's be honest here.
  • [58:59] Mike: Most of the difference for a woman between having a dildo and the Penis is the fact that it's attached to the guy the way that the motion happens, the fact that the guy is experiencing pleasure
  • [59:19] Mike: from what has happening and then his orgasm like that's really what it's all about. And if you removed all that, like if you were like, Oh, you're gonna have sex with a man, it's gonna be a Penis. But he's gonna be stone faced or like it's gonna be It's gonna be through a glory hole. So you're gonna put your vagina against the glory of glory Hole and he's and he's gonna be Stone face. You will hear No sounds. I think a woman would say that is no different than a dildo.
  • [59:23] Mike: Yeah, there's a comment on this thread, though. That was pretty good that I think you should get to
  • [59:27] Keith: Yeah, okay, I guess I'll, I guess I'll read this. It's lengthy, but you
  • [59:32] Mike: could Maybe you could jump around and kind of give people the sense of it.
  • [59:36] Keith: I feel like it's the It's the buildup, that really I'm gonna really worth
  • [59:37] Mike: it. It's worth it. Let's do it.
  • [59:52] Keith: All right, so this guy says I'm into prostate play and have been pegged once hot and quotes, he says. Once I figured out what spots to hit and the overall pleasure I no longer fat without prostate play fat means masturbate. For the uninitiated,
  • [59:54] Keith: below is a normal night of prostate play.
  • [60:09] Keith: All right, here we go. My normal night is after the gym at around seven o'clock. Eat slash, get a drink, slash smoke some weed hit my hot tub, which helps me relax. This guy's self identifies as a sugar daddy, by the way. So that's that's why he has, ah, hot tub
  • [60:22] Keith: drink a couple of bourbons while in the hot tub and a couple more bahng hits. Well, normally put porn on a TV. I have set up for my hot tub and watch a couple of P M V videos to get in the mood. What's PMG? Maybe he's
  • [60:28] Mike: got me, which is really hard to do. He's got me, though. Maybe he means Penis and vagina.
  • [60:31] Mike: P I V would make sense anyway. M is not close toe
  • [60:34] Keith: people. Yeah,
  • [60:40] Keith: thats usually leads to me getting hard and pleasuring myself a bit with the Jets and a little hand action.
  • [60:42] Keith: Then get out of the tub once I'm go ahead.
  • [60:47] Mike: How do you pleasure yourself as a man with the Jets and a hot tub? Is it up his butt?
  • [60:48] Mike: Oh,
  • [61:16] Keith: E, I think I have not read this comment. So maybe that maybe maybe your question will be answered later. Yeah, I then get out of the tub once I am too hot. Usually 30 to 45 minutes. Go to my family room where I have my toys already set up, smoke another bomb hit and then put porn on. I normally put on porn compilations with E d. M. Music playing in the background for me. The PMT Yeah, type porn is best in my current mindset of being very stoned and relax.
  • [61:28] Keith: Okay, now we're getting into Here we go. Alright. My set up is this follows. I put a folded up blanket under me in my couch recliner and then sit on the blanket. I usually will have a flashlight.
  • [61:31] Keith: I will usually have a flesh, skin and a flesh light. And
  • [61:33] Mike: that's a flesh skin. Keith and I have no idea what that is. I
  • [61:35] Keith: don't know this guy. This guy is
  • [61:46] Mike: like the things the fucking nightmare of, like women like No, like like this is it. This is that this is I think the thing that women are afraid of that a man will be doing is he's just his entire life
  • [61:49] Keith: growing money, his entire like houses set up toe like
  • [61:54] Mike: just around beating off his entire life. He's just his whole house is just a beat off palace like
  • [61:55] Keith: it's just
  • [61:56] Keith: This is
  • [62:02] Mike: terrible like a woman. Can you imagine walking a woman walking into a house and just seeing all these comments?
  • [62:05] Keith: Thio TVs, It four angles in every
  • [62:11] Mike: room. Oh, my God. It's like all these like little Edie. Oh, my God. Okay, the specificities crazy
  • [62:37] Keith: because I usually will have a flesh, skin and a flesh light I will use. Then I will angle the Hugo Hugo. Must be some other sex toy at the entrance and lower my ass onto it. This does a couple of things. It allows me to thistle. It allows me to insert the toy little by little as the pleasure increases instead of jamming it in all at once. OK, I like to use of jamming in. I appreciate that. Aziz, I'm doing this. I will usually start flapping
  • [62:46] Keith: for me. There is a direct a direct connection between flapping and prostate. Pleasure. The blanket helps hold it in place so the toy doesn't slip away.
  • [63:14] Keith: I will usually push it outwards during P waves and contractions. So finding a place where it is firmly in after a couple of minutes to ski can change pressure and how far it is in by reclining or moving my recliner up upwards. Thistle E is a special recliner to is probably $3000. This also helps me holding a place when I orgasm, as usually my muscles in my ass contract so hard, the toy will come out during my orgasm if it is not firmly in place. By the
  • [63:22] Mike: way, Keith, I guarantee you whenever you go to an Airbnb and you stay somewhere, I guarantee you like the night before this guy was there.
  • [63:27] Keith: Unbelievable. I mean, it's completely defy, child. You're sitting,
  • [63:32] Mike: you're sitting on the recliner and there's some guy the day before with his P waves and
  • [63:48] Keith: Z. One other thing is my legs usually are pushing straight down on the recliner, usually forcing the toy upwards deeper in me. What happens during a session is usually my legs will start a rhythm of pushing down, forcing the Hugo deeper into my ass in concert with P waves.
  • [63:56] Keith: I'm almost done here Hitting different angles. Also changes pleasure. By raising my legs up and down. One leg will be pulled up to my chest and then I will angle
  • [64:13] Keith: the other leg to one side. I've never had success. I've never had success. I feel like it's tried masturbation. 10,000 different ways. So it's truly a connoisseur. I have never had success laying on my side or on my stomach. I can't keep the Hugo in. It slips out during contractions in P waves.
  • [64:25] Mike: Yeah, so, like so to the women or woman, Whoever it was that said we were to clinical on describing a porn yeah, like way are like, honestly, like you don't understand. Like we're
  • [64:31] Mike: kind of in the middle of men. This is this is their their guys like this out there. And it's not that
  • [64:38] Keith: uncommon shape for every masturbation, uh, session he's had for the last 50 years. And he's
  • [64:44] Mike: he's a little knobby turns during the orgasm to get, like, a little chart of the quality of it. And he was ejaculating.
  • [64:50] Keith: Yeah, Yeah, I'm sure he has scores. Rating H orgasm.
  • [65:04] Mike: Yeah, I believe I believe every word of this, by the way. Like I don't think this it sounds. It reads like maybe somebody who's just, like, kidding around that. I don't think so. I think this is. I think this really happens. E Just believe it. Like knowing being a man myself and knowing men generally. I totally believe this.
  • [65:09] Keith: Yeah, I think this is like an eccentric 65 year old. Probably single.
  • [65:17] Keith: Well, he's a sugar daddy. So he self identifies as a sugar daddy. So yeah, well, we manage not to.
  • [65:20] Keith: We managed to avoid fecal matters.
  • [65:24] Mike: Well, I mean, it's yeah, it's It's e I mean, and I have to say like I mean,
  • [65:32] Mike: well, anyway, this guy of nimbly avoids the question we were discussing of whether, like a guy like this would rather
  • [65:45] Mike: instead of Hugo, I assume Hugo's a toy and not a person. If you go is a person that he's a man, but let's assume it's a toy. He's nimbly avoiding this. The question of like Woody rather just have sex with a man. But I do think
  • [65:58] Mike: I don't know. I do think that a lot. In a lot of cases, that's the strap on thing. That's what lies at the core of it. And I don't I I don't think there's anything wrong with it. And I don't think it makes you gay. Like, I think it's just there. Yeah, there, guys that. Look, guys,
  • [66:07] Mike: guys like to try lots of different stuff. Yeah, it it doesn't make you. Yeah, it doesn't make you gay, but there's something that makes you We just need a different word for it. It makes you something.
  • [66:08] Keith: Yeah.
  • [66:16] Keith: Yeah. Who knows what this Okay, Hugo is a remote controlled prostate massager. It's It's like,
  • [66:17] Keith: Yeah, it's
  • [66:27] Mike: is it fully internal? Like when you stick it all the way in and then control is they got a wire or is it Bluetooth or what? There's
  • [66:29] Mike: to get them to sponsor us.
  • [66:30] Keith: There's a
  • [66:38] Keith: you insert it, you insert it. And then there's another thing that's sort of like extends toward your scrotum. And I think that maybe
  • [66:41] Keith: maybe you can actually use this to pinch to help
  • [66:45] Mike: I think it's probably just to avoid getting stuck. Maybe. Yeah,
  • [66:48] Keith: well, now it looks like there's another motor there.
  • [66:54] Keith: Oh, Jesus. There's two vibrating motors, One in the tip and one in the base. Yeah,
  • [66:56] Keith: E Anyway, I think,
  • [66:59] Mike: Yeah. I mean, maybe you should try it, Keith.
  • [67:02] Keith: I don't
  • [67:13] Keith: I don't want Thio. I don't want I don't want to know. Like I look, I am. I am comfortable enough in my sexuality to admit I don't know how I would react to prostate play,
  • [67:26] Keith: but I don't really wanna, like, cultivated taste for it. It's like cultivating a taste for like some, like, really expensive wine or food. Like Like, what's the benefit like Now, Now, Now you're maybe maybe you find out you really like it and your life is sort of ruined. I don't
  • [67:31] Mike: have that fear. I'm pretty sure I I wouldn't I don't know. That isn't
  • [67:44] Mike: Maybe I'm just don't have enough. Look, someone could try situation. No, no, it's not that. I just don't. I was gonna say I don't have, like, the right set of neurons in the area or something. It just isn't something that like, seems to me like it would work very well.
  • [67:47] Mike: Um, but and also like
  • [67:51] Mike: every time, like literally every time, genuinely. Every time I've read
  • [68:05] Mike: some guy describing his prostate stuff like this, it just grosses me out like it's always It's funny, but at the same time, you're like man, like what I look, there's I always think to myself, and I probably shouldn't. I think, what's wrong with this person? Like, What are you doing?
  • [68:07] Keith: So
  • [68:13] Keith: I mean, maybe it's the case. I mean, Mike, maybe it's the case that it is. It's freaking awesome and we just don't know.
  • [68:13] Keith: I mean, there's a lot of
  • [68:23] Mike: things that are awesome. I mean, you could like, Yeah, I mean, it's like, Why not just go and start taking heroin? I mean, I'm sure there's things that are better than that. So it's like, Why not? You know, if you're going to start doing kind of nutty things like there's a number of options
  • [68:27] Keith: and you're gonna be normalize yourself, why not go whole hog? And I like
  • [68:30] Mike: I I know like I've read,
  • [68:39] Mike: You know, there's this debate about like can you get fecal incontinence and stuff from it? And people say, Oh, No, you can't. But I think you can. It's really worry about, like,
  • [68:43] Keith: 20 year longitudinal study between people who do this all the time. More
  • [68:49] Mike: than 20 years. I mean, when you're 80 you don't just be crapping yourself like I just don't know. Like how that works. Okay,
  • [69:05] Keith: there it is. We finally got to fecal matters. Alright. So that that'll do it for Episode 20 of your mileage may vary. Uh, I've already implored you to give us some feedback. We pay $10. If you do. Please give us some feedback thing. Email addresses. Why? Mm. The pot at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening.
  • [69:09] Mike: If money is not your thing, we could just make fun of You could tell us your sexual habits and will make fun of them.