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Episode 21: Dirty Talk, BDSM, Massive Loads, Fake Orgasms, Dating Trans, Pre-Nut Clarity

Team YMMV | 12-7-2020 | 1:03:38

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Our first guest, Eric, teaches us a bit about BDSM and dirty talking. Not to mention his history of generating more semen than the average man. When should a partner admit to faking orgasms ... and do/can men fake orgasms?

Speaking of gender bending, what happens when women use the female equivalent of a penis pump? And, how should one react when matching with a transgendered person on Tinder?

We get a lot of our questions from the Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/21/fake-orgasms

https://ymmv.me/21/transgender

https://ymmv.me/21/pre-nut-clarity

https://ymmv.me/21/pussy-pumps

For those who want to follow along, here are the links to the videos we watched at the beginning of the episode (in order):

https://ymmv.me/21/vid-large-load-1

https://ymmv.me/21/vid-large-load-2

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

  • [0:02] Eric: the kind of things that I say to her
  • [0:15] Eric: are just the standard degrading stuff. Whore, Fuck, slut cum dumpster, uh, baby girl, a little bit. She loves to call me daddy like that's her big kink is can you think
  • [0:31] Mike: Now, this is a radio format. So I think people would appreciate it if you could give us some of the intonation in your voice. So is it Is it just Is it just like, do you just say a flat like that? Like when you're ejaculating on a video conference,
  • [0:34] Keith: you
  • [0:43] Keith: Hello, and welcome to your mileage may vary e usedto introduce. Um b has a show about sex and relationships, but I think it's time to admit the truth here where sex podcast
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  • [1:35] Keith: Okay, so, Eric well, welcome to the show. Thanks, man. Yeah, we'll see how we'll see how this goes. So I think you're aware of our I guess it's a newly minted first segment. Uh,
  • [1:43] Keith: well, I don't know exactly what it is. I We watched a porn while Mike narrates it, and then we talk about it. Are you ready?
  • [1:45] Keith: Okay. So
  • [1:49] Keith: I have this cute up. We're gonna do the like 321 go thing. Is that the plan?
  • [1:58] Mike: Well, importantly, there's two videos here, so we'll do one then the other. Then we can discuss the totality of them once we finished. But yeah, we should We should do it and then do it for the second one.
  • [2:02] Keith: Okay. All right. 321 Go.
  • [2:12] Mike: So in this porn were basically a big Penis ejaculating on a pair of large breast. Ah, woman with pink hair. She's sort of encouraging and verbally very,
  • [2:33] Mike: very large streams of semen. I haven't counted them, but there's 123456 seventies now, sort of tapping off the Penis on her boobs to get the rest. And now it pans down and you're sort of looking at, um, covered. But I would say, Importantly, this first one, the tableau here is kind of an ordinary sheen. Reasonable amount, nothing crazy. Although it is a
  • [2:37] Keith: I felt pretty amount. I felt like that was a lot of semen.
  • [2:41] Mike: Okay, let's let's move on to the second one before we, like, get into it too much. Okay. All
  • [2:50] Keith: right. Okay. There's a whole story here. All right, you guys already on the second one. Let's do it. All right. 321 Go.
  • [3:19] Mike: So he's attacking her from behind. You see a lovely ladies, but in a man's Penis, she turns around rapidly and it's it's for facing. Oh my God, it's 123456 Very 789 squirts of extremely thick, kind of like it looks like she's got shampoo all over her face or conditioner, actually conditioner. And now she's put it in her mouth and kind of getting whatever was left out there, but it's it's enough covering her face that you would think
  • [3:25] Mike: that it was, Yeah, it was sort of squirted out of a bottle of conditioner. And so I put that second one second. Because,
  • [3:29] Mike: yeah, the first one first video was sort of.
  • [3:45] Mike: And we will, by the way, put these in the show notes that people can follow along at home something to look forward to. The first one was sort of like high, but, like, kind of a reasonable amount in the second one. Something unusual is going on there. Uh, it makes me wonder if maybe it is actually conditioner. Like, Does he have some device hidden in his hand
  • [3:49] Mike: eyes? There's a magic trick there. Or what do you think is going on?
  • [3:52] Keith: Okay, I have some thoughts. But why don't you go first, Eric?
  • [4:00] Eric: Well, yes. I think that is a thing that happens in an industry. There are various devices that are used, Thio enhance volume load.
  • [4:04] Eric: But no, I don't think that's that's an inhuman amount.
  • [4:09] Eric: The second one, the second one. Yeah, it is a healthy but not like,
  • [4:11] Eric: you know, a natural amount.
  • [4:52] Mike: The reason I wanted to bring this up. Thio, with Eric on the podcast, is that Eric has often in the past told me that he's been disappointed by the decreasing quantity, I guess quantity of ejaculate that he produces as the years go by. And so, given that in my mind I had him sort of tagged as an expert in this area. Given his various rhetoric about this, I was sort of curious. I mean, I don't feel like I have ever been a person who generated these levels the's quantities. But I think Eric might have been. So I thought to myself, what better person to ask? Like whether this was realistic than the guy who said that he once upon a time produced this kind of quantity. So I mean, did you ever get up near these levels, Eric, In your life?
  • [5:00] Eric: Well, it's hard to be super quantitative about it. I mean, this guy, probably, you know, it would take me in a in a one on one shootout,
  • [5:09] Eric: e you know what? The order of magnitude, You know, maybe under 20 e could the second guy the second the first guy seems a bit much.
  • [5:28] Mike: Wait, Wait. So I want to be clear on this just for our listeners who haven't who aren't going to in haven't. Or maybe they're in some country where they can't view this video, which, sorry for you. Um, the second one was basically 10 10. Really good squeezes on what I would consider, like a full conditioner bottle. And you're saying that in your life you generated 10
  • [5:30] Mike: full conditioner bottle squeezes of semen?
  • [5:35] Eric: No, probably not. But like 57 sure e
  • [5:43] Keith: feel like, Yeah, I feel like my first or second spurts could be like this guy's first or second. But by the time the third one comes along, it's not.
  • [5:43] Keith: I
  • [5:46] Mike: think my first or second would be like his fifth or sixth. I mean,
  • [5:53] Keith: maybe Maybe Maybe Maybe I'd have to watch this a few more times. I'm just going from memory here, Mike, I know you've seen this a few times that we've we've just seen it work. So, Eric, when you
  • [5:56] Mike: were in, say, in high school,
  • [6:18] Mike: I mean, most boys have, like, Keith had a sleeping bag. He ejaculated in, um, most of it was, but on my bad, my bad people have to go back and find the episode with that as the thumbnail picture to hear about that. I think I just used the normal toilet paper and Kleenex. But, I mean, Eric, you must have Did you use like, uh,
  • [6:21] Mike: what did you use like? Like some kind of ah, towel, like a
  • [6:23] Keith: like a body bag contained this amount of semen.
  • [6:27] Eric: Well, what did you There was the come box. You guys may have read about that.
  • [6:33] Mike: Well, you know, what did you use? I mean, it was this a problem for you? The fact that you generated something between a pint and a court of semen each
  • [6:36] Eric: time. Oh, that wasn't a pint.
  • [6:43] Eric: Okay, well, this is interesting. It's a couple of shots. The thing is, when you when you when you spread it out like that, it looks like a lot.
  • [6:48] Eric: But if you actually scraped it together, it would feel like two shot glasses. I bet.
  • [6:53] Eric: Did you? No, no, no on that. But I'm just my pathetically
  • [7:01] Mike: of course, hypothetically. Eso you just You're saying that it was never an issue for you? You were just e maybe. Yeah.
  • [7:10] Eric: Sorry. I'd sort of dodged the question. There uh, this of all. I mean, that wasn't like a regular amount of volume. That would have to be like a save up for a week. Amount of volume.
  • [7:11] Eric: Okay,
  • [7:13] Eric: so So I
  • [7:19] Mike: couldn't get kind of load out. Could you get that kind of load out by yourself? Or would it require a partner?
  • [7:22] Eric: Oh, no, I No one. No one plays the flute like the owner.
  • [7:26] Mike: You're saying that you could get more out by yourself than I don't
  • [7:31] Eric: know. E mean, It's not like I'm taking a graduated cylinder after I have sex and and after
  • [7:36] Keith: that, it's really hard to get accurate measurements. And then there's a lot of compound. Maybe
  • [7:37] Eric: I should have looked
  • [7:39] Mike: shame on you. You should have.
  • [7:41] Mike: You're probably a giant.
  • [7:47] Mike: Any high school girlfriend worth their salt would be willing to spit it out into a graduated cylinder.
  • [7:54] Keith: But then, but even then you're like adding a confounding variable, which is, you know, it's added to it. Maybe she accidentally swallowed a little bit like,
  • [8:04] Keith: I think, the skin with volume. I think the difference in volume based on partnered or on partnered sex is not as much for me as You seem to think it is for yourself. Like
  • [8:13] Eric: I think your question. And if there are any listeners out there, female listeners who would like Thio help me out for science, you know you have that address.
  • [8:24] Keith: Yeah, Well, if you guys could send us an email, we'll put you in touch with you. But, like, how would you even set up such an experiment? Like you'd have to wait, like, a week each time. And then you know, you Yeah,
  • [8:28] Eric: you're right. We're already beyond the realm of sort of reasonability here,
  • [8:53] Keith: waiting a week. Just too much variability. Well, okay, you could just masturbate twice, like once. Wait a week and then once again the next day. And then if there's, like, a huge volume different than it's different. Okay, Well, okay. Uh, I think we all agree that they're almost certainly is, but that would be like a good initial thing toe, like, just verify that. That And if it's only off by like 20% then there's not really much needed for further experimentation. But if it's off by, like, two x arm or than
  • [8:54] Keith: all this makes sense to
  • [9:02] Mike: forgive me if I'm talking out of school here, but I think you lost Erica at the waiting a week phase. Exactly. Yeah, Yeah.
  • [9:04] Keith: I
  • [9:06] Keith: can't remember the last time I've waited that long.
  • [9:26] Mike: I mean, the other thing, though, Eric, is you You're saying your volume. I mean, I'm not sure. I know. I know. You haven't done extensive experience. I mean, you have done the experimentation. You just haven't kept notes. So not the full scientific method, just part of it. But you're saying that your volumes reduced so much now that it's not like you couldn't do the experiment anymore anyway anymore, right? It was really a brief.
  • [9:34] Eric: You know, volume I'm not even sure is the relevant measure here. I mean, what's volume of a gas is powder,
  • [9:38] Mike: right? You're very low volume now.
  • [9:38] Mike: Okay?
  • [9:43] Eric: I wanna just It's just like you know, those sticks with word bang on it comes out.
  • [9:49] Mike: Well, it's not that bad. Well, actually, maybe a woman would like that, but go ahead, Keith. What were you going?
  • [10:02] Keith: Okay. I want to talk about one more thing on this video that we should move on. We have some important topics to get to today. Uh, sure. the viscosity here. The difference between the two men's loads is sort of interesting. Viscosity is not the right word. Opacity. Maybe.
  • [10:12] Keith: Well, they're probably they're probably correlated. But yeah, the second guy who produced significantly more is also producing significantly thicker semen.
  • [10:17] Keith: What's going on there? Is it more like semen dances? He just
  • [10:26] Keith: providing less seminal fluid. Per you know, Graham of semen like, Why is his? I mean, it's, ah, materially different substance. So,
  • [10:33] Mike: Eric, do you which which of those two resemble better resembled your say, 18 year old seaman load? If you can remember that far back?
  • [10:37] Eric: You know what? I can't even remember the videos. I didn't I didn't make note of that. And I don't feel like going back and watching.
  • [10:46] Mike: One of them was sort of a pearly white, and one was kind of a clear water like substance. Minds generally opaque. Alright, so Eric's going with the
  • [10:51] Eric: and you. You make the second video in the cloudy or clear club. It would be somewhere
  • [10:59] Mike: in between. I mean, it's like it's it's very difficult because this the quantity here, I think I think genuinely the second video
  • [11:04] Mike: is something in the neighborhood of five X. Any quantity I've ever generated, something like that. And I think Keith might be the
  • [11:09] Keith: same corroborate with that, even even as teenagers.
  • [11:21] Keith: Yes. I don't remember. I don't perceive massive change and load quantity over the years, But me there I remember E. I don't know. I remember
  • [11:36] Mike: being very young and it being very low. So I remember going up in that being because I remember being irritating that you're waiting seven years old. Masturbate. No, no, no, no, no. It would be, like 13 or something. And I remember like there was an age when, like, the cleanup was extremely easy.
  • [11:48] Mike: Maybe I don't remember the details, but maybe like one Kleenex or just something, there was just nothing. And then, like, fairly quickly progressed to being like, more or less what it is now. Really? You know what I would consider normal?
  • [11:50] Eric: No age related decline.
  • [11:51] Eric: Well, look, Eric,
  • [11:57] Mike: you started off as some sort of Olympian ejaculated. I mean, you missed like there was some opportunities.
  • [12:01] Keith: I think I think there's more variants for Eric like I've been. I've been steady.
  • [12:08] Eric: Parsimonious explanation is that you guys were both sort of below average. I mean, just from the amount of porn that have washing e selection
  • [12:14] Mike: bias that z not right. No, look were normal. We're normal. You have some sort of the
  • [12:24] Eric: elephant. Two against one? Yes, p Sex podcast host sort of definition. Normal ones in the room. Okay. Right.
  • [12:29] Mike: That's that's an intolerable of hypothesis you have there, so All right,
  • [12:37] Keith: I'm gonna close. Yeah. Okay. So should we get Thio Eriks areas of expertise?
  • [12:47] Mike: Yeah. So I mean, in addition, I mean, we've already, thankfully, kind of covered one, but an additional one that Eric Eric and for me relatively recently that,
  • [12:58] Mike: well, he's always for a long time. Told me that he makes he describes it, is making no involuntary sounds during sex. That's his way of describing it. Raised that corrector because that's right.
  • [13:30] Mike: Yeah. No, no involuntary sense, Which I know. That's, um I've read many times that women that's their favorite is a man who makes no involuntary sounds. That's what they want. Uh, so I presumably makes voluntary sounds in order to placate them. I know that he's a, uh, good enough lover. Uh, you know, successful. Um but he then went on to say that he claimed that in a sort of a business meeting contact We've all been, you know, using Zoom and Video Conference because of the pandemic,
  • [13:34] Mike: he believes. Oh, and we were talking about the unfortunate gentleman who was caught
  • [13:39] Mike: masturbating during a presidential election simulation.
  • [13:42] Mike: Uh, well, and he claimed that he
  • [13:54] Mike: sure, of course, I I always masturbate during presidential election simulations. But Eric claimed that he would have not had that problem because he could have been on a conference call, been on a video conference and busted a nut
  • [14:04] Mike: without anybody without skipping a beat. He could've just continued whatever sentence he was on that, Then I was sort of like I can't believe that's true. So Eric could you is my my describing what? Your your claim correctly.
  • [14:13] Eric: Yeah, that's right. I mean, it would have to be waist up video or like chest up video. Of course. Don't have some, you know, bizarrely misplaced Penis or anything.
  • [14:31] Eric: Sure, but a Zafar is like my demeanor. I'm fairly confident, and I haven't tested this or anything. I'm fairly confident that I can I can get off like a stealth orgasm like I would be the worst possible person to go on. Beautiful agony.
  • [14:51] Eric: I would just be lying there the entire time. Wait, What's beautiful agony? Come on. I'm sorry. The hell you have. Actually, this is like saying they haven't watched the Godfather and you both hitting them and like, envy them because they get to experience it for the first time. Okay, it's surprising. Yeah, go on.
  • [15:04] Eric: Yeah, well, I describe it. Yeah, yeah. No, it's a porn Siri's that consists solely of video of women from, like, the mid chest up, so their face and shoulders while they masturbate. And so your there's nothing, there's no
  • [15:05] Mike: community faces.
  • [15:14] Mike: That's right. There's no nudity. It's I mean, in principle, you could say, Look, this is PG rated on some level, right? Because it's like it could just be them, like being tickled or something. Right?
  • [15:19] Keith: And it's performative like, Are they trying to get a votes or something? Or like what?
  • [15:24] Eric: I don't clear. No, what there? Because this is This was maybe 2005. Does that sound right?
  • [15:30] Mike: Oh, they still maketh, um and and by the way, Keith, I think you would really like this because I think you
  • [15:36] Mike: It's actually seems like your cup of tea. I'm quite surprised you don't know it. And the women are often very attractive And because think about it, you don't.
  • [15:54] Mike: It's a lower bar. You're not really a porn star if you're doing this right. So you could potentially get someone who's a little more of a normal Sorry, not but a person who's interested in doing more normal film. Yeah. And, uh, and also, like, you know, there's some emotional connection there which I think would appeal to you. It's just it isn't a purely the in out
  • [16:10] Keith: okay. Yeah, I'm just looking at the at the home page now, So, yeah, there's a bunch of thumbnails of people from Yeah, like the chest up. Some of them even have, like, clothing on Andi. Yeah, they all have. I mean, they choose these some nails, so it's like, right in the moment of already has, um I think so. They all have sort of their own face, but all right, I understand what this is now.
  • [16:15] Eric: Yeah, a few favorites that could curate for you.
  • [16:23] Keith: Okay, that way. Okay. But importantly, you think you could do this in a way that other people could not tell that you were having an orgasm.
  • [16:42] Eric: Yeah, that's that's correct. And in fact, like the biggest challenge would be, like maintaining, like focus, like assuming I was sufficiently sexually aroused. And I wasn't thinking about like, oh, focus on not having expression or whatever. Um, yeah. I think I could almost certainly pull it off in a completely stealth fashion.
  • [16:47] Mike: And you're you, and to go a step further, I I said, Well, on a video conference,
  • [16:55] Mike: um, you know, your shoulder would move. There be some motion, but your claim is you can also do it. That would be hard, purely risked. Emotional you later.
  • [17:08] Eric: Yeah. You were right about that. Like maybe if I had sort of, like, vibrator or something. I mean, that's not really my style, but, like, I could make it work, I'm sure, but yes, you're right. The physical motions would be by far the most dangerous thing for May.
  • [17:17] Mike: Okay, but there would be No. And you don't think that it would affect your process at all. For example, right now you're talking to two men. You're not gay. You're a heterosexual man.
  • [17:30] Mike: Um, and yet you think that you could, for example, be masturbating right now on, unbeknownst to us and the fact that we're talking to two other men would not increase anything about it. So are you masturbating right
  • [17:48] Eric: now? Yeah, it's okay. It would be it would be difficult because I'm, like, aggressively not aroused right now because I'm, you know, engaged in a social interaction. But like, if I had been in the other room watching porn and then came and sat down
  • [17:49] Eric: Um,
  • [17:53] Keith: yeah, I mean, there's there's there's two issues here. Sometimes
  • [17:58] Keith: there's two issues here we're conflating. The first is like whether you can do it
  • [18:03] Keith: in a you can do the physical motions required in an undetected way.
  • [18:13] Keith: And then the second thing is whether you can maintain arousal in a conference call. E. I don't think I could be o e
  • [18:25] Eric: crucially, I said this to you and you were incredulous. I can't swear to this because I haven't super practice it. But I'm pretty sure that, like I could speak in a normal voice, wild climaxing and you wouldn't be able to tell,
  • [18:25] Eric: like,
  • [18:28] Mike: have you light up?
  • [18:30] Mike: Have you tried that since our conversation.
  • [18:36] Eric: No, I haven't. But okay, maybe this is a tes for a repeat visit.
  • [18:41] Mike: Maybe if you were a woman than it would be more teasing, I'd be more.
  • [18:58] Keith: Look, I think we should move on, but I think the way to test this would be Yeah, like Eric recites something that that takes like, four minutes, and he does it three different times and one of them is one where he's masturbating in two of them are, Yeah. If we can tell which of one it is, then you know we're right and he's wrong and vice versa. I e. I
  • [19:04] Mike: agree completely with that. I just to clarify the I think that most men could
  • [19:40] Mike: be in the sort of plateau phase of arousal and do a video conference and be maybe masturbating, actively worried about the shoulder motion. It's that last 30 seconds or so where I get a little skeptical. So I think most men. And so if if people listen to this thing, what I could do that it's not that it's he's. The claim he's making is that he can be discussing with somebody some very dry topic and ejaculating at the same time. That's where it starts getting a little dicey for me, but okay, that's his claiming. I agree. Completely key. That would be interesting for him to do that experiment. And we could If you do that, Eric, we can post, um, the audio's you make online and maybe have a poll. I
  • [19:43] Keith: mean, yeah, right. Well, let's see if it doesn't Sure when you get my
  • [19:45] Eric: mom for Christmas, but that would be great.
  • [19:50] Keith: Yeah, The thing is, he could faint. And one of the videos, right? You
  • [19:58] Mike: mean pretend? Oh, no, don't do that. Don't don't like no, Make it so it just totally flat a little different time.
  • [20:04] Mike: And it was great. And you can And but of course, you need toe like, set it up in some sort of pulling software, something So we can,
  • [20:14] Keith: uh, true. This is high on the list of things that are gonna happen. So we should just We should all right here, all right? Or we could talk about it online and generate more exciting for it if it actually come
  • [20:18] Mike: on. We can if we if he does it weaken, Tell people where the hell is next
  • [20:21] Keith: episode. Yeah, Yeah. Okay. All right. Um,
  • [20:23] Keith: so
  • [20:29] Keith: how How dio. Okay, so B d s m is what I have here on my show notes. Um,
  • [20:36] Keith: how do we What? I know what this is, but e o Eric,
  • [20:48] Mike: Eric has, you know, a single men be after a certain age. I mean, we're talking, we're not talking really old people, But after a certain age when many of the women have gone off, I got married and had kids
  • [20:54] Mike: start to encounter women that are a little bit kinkier, a little unusual. And Eric has found a seam of kink.
  • [21:03] Mike: Uh, that he discovered works in certain senses for him, which is thes women who, for whatever reason, like a man who is
  • [21:33] Mike: somewhat more dominant all the way out to kind of extremely dominant. And I found that interesting because both in the fact that he's found that seem of women, that he attracts pretty well on the dating APS and also like, It's something that he, uh, seems to have a knack at. And I thought our listeners might be interested in some tips from Eric or just his experiences in all of the beatings he's delivered. So I mean, Eric, do you wanna talk about one specific person, or would you like to talk about it in general? How do you think is the best way to proceed
  • [21:40] Eric: here? Well, well, first of all, let me just say I'm by no means an expert. I'm sort of an enthusiast.
  • [21:53] Eric: Uh, Delavan, if you will. And I didn't really look set out to do this thing. You know, I think I fall within the normal range of male sexual kink. Like I think most men plurality of men, sort of
  • [21:55] Eric: are on the sort of dominant side. Yeah.
  • [22:05] Keith: Can I offer a little anecdote here? Which is I mean, I remember when you first met, uh, you know, I guess, like the primary person that has has led coloration.
  • [22:09] Keith: Yeah, we could do that. Maybe we should call her Jane. Well, I mean,
  • [22:17] Eric: Alexander ex girl. Okay. Three syllables. Yeah. So use your real name. She's never gonna listen.
  • [22:27] Keith: We should not do that. Um, fair point. Although it be fun to make Mike beep out the name every time. Anyway, um,
  • [22:40] Keith: I remember when you first met this person and you, you know, we're talking to us And you were like, Holy shit. You know, like, some of the things like, it was sort of unclear. And then yeah, like, I think you sort of slowly turned to the dark side, but his obedient No, I think it
  • [22:42] Mike: be GSM discovery started earlier, but go ahead. Er,
  • [22:55] Eric: no, I mean, it was it was there as a like, you know, uh, minor fantasy or whatever. You know, I would gravitated towards those kinds of porn's and whatnot, but it wasn't like that. I mean, like thing,
  • [23:14] Mike: the san tax girl. I mean, as I like to do with the girls that Eric dates, I started texting her, um, and because that's normal. And she claims that you, for example, your dirty talk apparently is really, really high end. And I just thought people might benefit from that. And what are some of the things you like to say to her in the act?
  • [23:38] Eric: It's a little personal. This is an impossible situation. Saying like a in a more general sense. I find this is an interesting contrast to my lack of involuntary noises. I make up for that with a net excess of voluntary noises. Yeah, I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge, huge fan of of like, constant, constant dirty talk
  • [23:39] Eric: and okay. Yeah.
  • [23:44] Mike: So what would you say? What would you say to me? What would you say to a person? I mean, come on, give me some dirty talk.
  • [23:53] Eric: Well, I'd say to you to get out of the room, send your wife in. Mhm. There you
  • [23:55] Mike: go. Get out of the room and send your wife
  • [23:57] Eric: gonna get edited out.
  • [24:03] Eric: No, it was good. Uh, okay. But I will tell you what I said to Zannex Girl, like the genre of things. I sure have
  • [24:05] Mike: some idea. I just want to hear such elite.
  • [24:08] Keith: And I'm so excited. Okay. All right, I'm ready.
  • [24:11] Eric: I don't know. I feel so I feel so exposed here. Like this is
  • [24:13] Keith: there's there's a huge spotlight on right now.
  • [24:20] Eric: Well, I mean, I'm not doing anything unusual here. This is your degrading, degrading, Like
  • [24:20] Eric: the
  • [24:29] Mike: worst case scenario here is that a bunch of submissive women send us emails wanting to get access to you, which has happened before, so go ahead.
  • [24:36] Eric: And, uh, So Xanax isn't the only partner I've had who enjoys us, but she's like the primary partner and the one that I click with the best
  • [24:39] Eric: s Oh, this is gonna vary from person to person a little bit. You know, sex
  • [24:41] Keith: is your mileage may vary.
  • [24:49] Eric: Your mileage may vary. Uh, nice, Keith eyes kind of like a dance. You know, you both have to know the steps. It's like a dance. Where you both I'm at the end.
  • [24:52] Mike: All right, So why don't I so look so, uh, kind
  • [24:54] Eric: of things that say to her
  • [25:06] Eric: are just the standard degrading stuff. Whore. Fuck, slut cum dumpster. Uh, baby girl. A little bit. She loves to call me daddy. Like that's her big kink is can you think?
  • [25:21] Mike: Now, this is a radio format. So I think people would appreciate it if you could give us some of the intonation in your voice. So is it Is it just Is it just like, do you just say a flat like that? Like when you're ejaculating on a video conference, or do you say, is it just cum dumpster or is there something mawr to it than that?
  • [25:40] Eric: Well, you know how like great actors can give 1000 different readings to the same line. E. I like to think I bring the same sort of variety to my readings, and it's like you're such a come dumpster. It's like, you know, it's it's sort of in the moment. It's how I'm feeling. It's how I'm sensing that she's feeling. Sometimes It's sort of like
  • [25:46] Eric: aggressive. Sometimes it's angry. Her thing is, she likes it when I'm angry. Like that's her big thing.
  • [25:52] Eric: Uh, so, like, there's Oh, stop it. What, is this gonna go on the bumper?
  • [25:56] Eric: Maybe. Let's
  • [26:06] Mike: hope, ideally, ideally, you want me to do it first? I mean, I'll try. I don't do this, though. So I don't I don't think I would be so good at it, but if I was angry, but like, goddamn cum dumpster. But
  • [26:07] Keith: that doesn't make any sense.
  • [26:09] Mike: Like you're angry. You don't call someone that you whore.
  • [26:13] Eric: You know something? Look, it would be something like, Take it, you little cunt.
  • [26:15] Eric: Something like that. All right,
  • [26:18] Mike: take it. And that's while you're penetrating her.
  • [26:30] Mike: Uh huh. Wow. Um, and And would the cum dumpster line? Because I like that term. Would that be after you've turned her into your cum dumpster? Now, in the process.
  • [26:40] Eric: Listen, it's more abstract, Much like much like all all a male sexual behavior. A soon as the nut happens like it all shuts off
  • [26:44] Eric: and there's a fair amount of like, what did I just dio? That's
  • [26:51] Mike: interesting. So yes. So what is the So the post not clarity is? Actually, Do you require aftercare because of the strength of your post
  • [27:00] Keith: clarity? I was gonna bring up after care. Like I know, particularly in like B. D S M communities. People talk a lot about after care and how things like immediately switch after the orgasm.
  • [27:05] Eric: Now, I mean, the switches, I just lay down tonight and I'm just like, Oh, really?
  • [27:06] Eric: Do
  • [27:07] Mike: you say, Do you say that, or
  • [27:12] Eric: is it you sort of internal? Because it could be. Sometimes I'll just be like, Wow, that was great.
  • [27:13] Eric: Um,
  • [27:23] Mike: so you never you never turn the post, not clarity into more degradation, like, what's wrong with you for letting me say those things? Thio that'll be pretty degrading, right? Okay, so you stop with
  • [27:27] Eric: that would be so. It's like the opposite of after care. It's like Africa.
  • [27:30] Keith: E can't believe you like that you're so
  • [27:39] Eric: broken. Such a whore. It's an aftershock! Aftershock! Yeah! No, If you were still around, I might I might try that just for just for science.
  • [27:48] Mike: Okay, so there's also some and I want to stress to our audience, Um consensual, consensual, consensual, physical stuff that goes on beyond
  • [27:55] Eric: It is consensual. Like I don't do anything Any of this stuff, none of that dirty talk. None of that stuff. Unless, like they make a clear
  • [27:56] Eric: Oh, picture that they're into it,
  • [28:00] Mike: of course, of course. And so what? I'm
  • [28:02] Eric: not for them. It's for me.
  • [28:15] Eric: Like I actually don't really care about her experience so much. But like, I would feel awkward because, like, you know how sexual fetishes work, that the last thing you want to do in a sexual situation is to, like, say, something sort of intimate, and then, like, have the proverbial record Scratch
  • [28:19] Eric: would be like, Fuck. Did you just say to me like,
  • [28:23] Mike: have you had that happen?
  • [28:24] Mike: Mhm.
  • [28:31] Eric: Not that I can think about the top of my head, but, like maybe minor, like maybe I'd like,
  • [28:37] Eric: made like, like, dipped a toe into saying something. And they're like, what my Oh, never mind. Oh.
  • [28:40] Eric: Oh, no. Actually, there was
  • [28:41] Keith: a boy. It was
  • [28:44] Eric: what this was. So this was a girl after his An ex girl. So
  • [28:49] Eric: I have been hooking up zannex girl for, I don't know, a year or two on and off.
  • [28:56] Eric: And then I started dating a real person, you know, like an actual girl that I wanted to have a real relationship with.
  • [28:59] Eric: And during one of our early sexual encounters,
  • [29:01] Eric: I you know, I was sort of
  • [29:09] Eric: I wasn't slapping around or anything. But, like I, you know, at one point, she was like, Are you choking me?
  • [29:15] Eric: And I was like, Oh, sorry. That was, uh, the muscle memory. Yeah, it really was, like, almost muscle. That
  • [29:27] Mike: was reflex. That was reflects. Sorry. Uh huh. Eso Yes, and go. So you were able to back out of that and just resume of vanilla situation and she didn't take hold it against you.
  • [29:37] Eric: That's that's good. And in fact, I immediately afterwards, like in the moment I was like, Oh, sorry. And then afterwards I was like, you know, actually, that that was sort of intentional on my part. Sorry about that.
  • [29:51] Mike: Was and well, I mean, I have a couple questions. I'm curious whether she then was interested in it. And I'm also closed. Interesting. Whether it okay, and in your post nup clarity. Was it more like, Oh, man, I What am I doing? Dating someone who doesn't wanna be choked?
  • [29:57] Eric: No, my post not clarity was. Man, I should not have dated Xanax girl that long.
  • [29:59] Eric: She imprinted in my brain.
  • [30:08] Keith: Yeah. Do you think that now that you have the taste for that, it'll be hard to fully enjoy, um, or vanilla sexual relationship again? There's my, uh
  • [30:13] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I see this on on the dating APS pretty pretty commonly where somebody will say,
  • [30:18] Keith: you know, oh, I'm into, you know, kinky play. But then
  • [30:25] Keith: they'll also make some sort of illusion, or they'll say something that they're like, But but it's not required. And yeah, I just always wonder
  • [30:29] Keith: if they Yeah, that's my suspicion. Now,
  • [30:31] Mike: my required it is.
  • [30:36] Eric: My take on that is it's sort of out of my system. I mean, I enjoy it, you know, from time to time, I guess.
  • [30:38] Eric: Uh,
  • [30:39] Eric: but
  • [30:48] Eric: yeah, Like before, Zannex, Like the long term relationship I was in before. That was totally vanilla, and it was totally fine. And it was,
  • [30:50] Eric: in retrospect, like better sex.
  • [30:55] Eric: Um, but, like I always had in the back of my head, like this sort of kink that I couldn't explore.
  • [31:06] Eric: And so it's sort of like, wait on me a little bit, but now that's gone, like so, Like, if I If the next girl I'm with is vanilla, I will not have, like, this kink interest in the back of my head.
  • [31:11] Keith: Did you ever have more vanilla type sex with Xanax?
  • [31:17] Eric: Uh, yeah. From time to time, we would depend on sort of how much energy I had. Sometimes it would be
  • [31:19] Mike: so much sand actually taken.
  • [31:23] Eric: No, she was always on Xanax. But
  • [31:23] Eric: it was just a
  • [31:38] Mike: new culture for you. Called her Xanax from the beginning, right? So in in your mind, it was never a real relationship. It was just a f W B that you had relatively little respect for, right? She might not have known that, but you are calling her that internally.
  • [31:43] Eric: Yeah, that's right. Well, yeah, internally into all of my friends. Yes,
  • [31:44] Keith: sure, sure. And that's the thing
  • [31:55] Mike: that happens. I don't know. Maybe our listeners don't realize. Maybe our female listeners don't realize that's a thing that can happen. I imagine that can happen when a woman's dating a man to that shed doesn't really take it as seriously as he thinks she does.
  • [32:09] Mike: Um, so, yes. Was there a moment in my directional thing? Eric, Was there a moment that you could identify when you felt the it had been scratched? I mean, was it when you had taken, you know, when it took her belt off and hit her for the first time? Consensually?
  • [32:11] Mike: No. You should
  • [32:16] Eric: sort of thing. You know, we dated on and off for, like, three or four years,
  • [32:19] Eric: and, uh, at the end, you're sort of
  • [32:22] Eric: weirdly just starts to feel wrote,
  • [32:23] Eric: really? And
  • [32:24] Mike: you couldn't. So that's
  • [32:32] Keith: maybe that's the do you share. Can you share some of the like, most extreme things? Like, was it What was that? It like whipping her with a belt? Like e. Just
  • [32:33] Mike: made that up, by the way.
  • [32:36] Eric: Well, whipping her with a belt.
  • [32:41] Eric: Sure. Um, okay, that was probably
  • [32:43] Mike: but no, you didn't leave any marks or anything. It was just
  • [32:45] Keith: was there any blood play? Thanks.
  • [32:47] Eric: Okay.
  • [32:49] Eric: Um, relatively,
  • [32:57] Eric: Uh, that's about Apple. How about any apparatus? Just question. How about face laughing?
  • [33:00] Eric: Wait, Let me think.
  • [33:03] Mike: You don't remember if you're used to metal ruler once.
  • [33:05] Mike: What did you do with it?
  • [33:10] Eric: Oh, I just spent probably just slap with you, but, like, really, the belt is more intense than that.
  • [33:11] Eric: Did you do anything
  • [33:14] Mike: unusual to her vagina?
  • [33:16] Eric: Other than orgasm in it,
  • [33:22] Eric: that's normal. That's not unusual. No, no, no. Well,
  • [33:24] Mike: right. Yeah, nothing know, nothing weird being
  • [33:30] Keith: stuck up there up there. People do stuff with electrodes and stuff to like it can get pretty.
  • [33:31] Keith: She was
  • [33:49] Eric: actually a good partner, like we had similar. Um, like, our kings just lined up, and, um, she detected some wistfulness. She was Look, it was fun. Uh, and she was cool in the sense that, like, she knew exactly what she was into and was
  • [33:53] Eric: really good at communicating it. So, yeah, that was just a lot of fun.
  • [33:57] Eric: And she wasn't into, like, pain. She was in tow like intensity,
  • [34:00] Eric: so she didn't want me toe like
  • [34:10] Eric: the spanking was fine. The belt was fine. You know, sort of like a sting out hurts, But she didn't want me, like puncher's hard as I could in the stomach or something.
  • [34:12] Mike: Sure. So, Eric would you is your
  • [34:25] Mike: It sounds like you have this sort of record Scratch moment once with a woman where you choked her too much. Um, but in terms of the verbal stuff that you give us a little taste of, I'm sure listeners would have What, like to hear more
  • [34:54] Mike: that, like, I guess, your your advice. There. It sounds like your advice there, Thio. Ah, gentleman wanting to get into this is like, actually, it's kind of hard to go too far. Verbally, like, like, a long as everybody's aroused. Like, men can say some fairly nutty stuff, and it all washes away later. I mean, she didn't she didn't later sit down with you over drinks and be like Eric. And, um, I really a whore. Um, I am I really a come dumpster, know that Ever have heard? Yeah.
  • [34:57] Eric: You know, with her that never happened. But she sort of that ever with anyone?
  • [35:04] Eric: No, But I've never really done it with anyone like her. No, that's not true. A couple people after that. But how
  • [35:07] Mike: did she drive it? Did she call you a come dumpster filler or something?
  • [35:30] Eric: No, No, Uh, during one of our early sexual encounters, she was just like so I don't know if you were actually in the middle of coitus or about to whatever it was therefore player sex. And she was just like, Hey, what are you into? Like what? Your kink. It was just like you ever call girls names And like, Sure, And she's like, How about fuck slut? And I'm just like, Oh, I know what you want. I'm just like, yes on. And then then it was just game on
  • [35:38] Mike: and you had a you had a pretty, like that was great for you when she said in her first suggestion was Fuck, slut.
  • [35:41] Mike: Okay, so ladies out there, that's a good one, I guess Toe suggest if
  • [35:45] Keith: you want that she's starting there with the king of spades, right? Like it was sort
  • [36:00] Eric: of e Think that your imagination, I think it might have gone like, Do you ever talk dirty? And I said yes. And she says what and like, you know, anything like, you know, horror, baby girl. And she's like, Oh, those were good. How about fuck slot? I specifically remember her saying,
  • [36:04] Keith: Yeah, she went from, like, the the eight of hearts to the
  • [36:10] Mike: Did you, Eric, Did she ever during sex call you Daddy?
  • [36:12] Eric: No, that's all she called me. What are you talking about?
  • [36:32] Mike: Okay. Okay. So there was also the kind of, uh, kind of like a girl dad play going on there. Yeah. E was curious. E was curious, and you would give her spankings and tell her she was bad, Did she? Okay, e have a lot of questions, but we should probably move on, Keith. I mean, I could go with this. I could probably continue this for a couple hours.
  • [36:44] Eric: And look, I'm good stuff. By no means an expert. I'm sure that my experience with Xanax girl does not generalize for a number of reasons. So take this. For what it's worth,
  • [36:46] Mike: your mileage may vary. Yeah, that's
  • [36:50] Keith: that's right. Yeah. Okay. All right. Uh,
  • [36:56] Keith: let's see. Yeah. All right. Should we do this one about the guy whose partner was faking orgasms? I think.
  • [36:59] Mike: Let's do it. Let's see how we get Eric involved. in this in our question, answering here.
  • [37:06] Keith: Yeah. Okay, so this this one's a little bit long. Is taking about 62nd Street, I think. Okay, So my fiance,
  • [37:34] Keith: who's a 27 year old woman, accidentally told me this guy's a 28 year old man. The person writing this is a 28 year old man that she didn't fake orgasms with other men, But she does with me. My confidence is shot and I don't know how to get past this. I'll try to be short and sweet. Me and my fiance. We're talking about things we could do to make sex better. And the topic of faking orgasms came up. I said that I've never done it and that it didn't make sense to me when people did. She said that she didn't get it either when she was younger. But when she got more experience and was with more guys, she realized it made sense
  • [37:47] Keith: against my better judgment. I asked her to explain why it made sense. She said she never saw the need to fake until she saw how much it affected men when they couldn't make her come and she wanted to spare their feelings that the guy was a boyfriend. And if a guy was a hook up, she faked it so she could end it.
  • [38:01] Mike: Wait, can I stop you for a second? So the person writing this post is a man? Okay, Sorry. And the reason I ask that is because it sounds so When he says that faking doesn't make sense to him, he means women faking. He's not suggesting that he is a man. Fakes
  • [38:08] Keith: keeps saying, Hey, sorry. He doesn't think women should fake three. Only thing I heard was I never,
  • [38:20] Keith: uh, sorry. There's some grammar issues here. Them trying toe pave over. The only thing I heard was I never to fake it with guys before, but I needed to Oh, I never needed to fake it with guys before, but I needed to with you.
  • [38:35] Keith: I was very thrown off. I asked if I asked if she had to fake it with me, and she refused to answer. This really cut deep. I know. The only reason she didn't answer was because she did. I feel really inadequate. Now this is painted our sex life in a new light, and I don't feel good enough.
  • [38:47] Keith: We've had sex since. And she'll quote unquote come immediately, immediately. What does stop after she's done? Because it gets in my head. How do I get over this? Good.
  • [38:49] Keith: I don't think you dio
  • [38:50] Keith: Well, this is This is
  • [38:53] Mike: another topic that's come up with their here for
  • [39:00] Mike: Eric. I think strongly believes that if a woman fakes he comptel, right, Eric?
  • [39:02] Eric: No, I don't. I've never said that.
  • [39:11] Eric: Okay, But you believe saying that I'm confident that I have experienced genuine orgasms. I'm sure I've experienced once and couldn't tell.
  • [39:13] Mike: There we go. Okay.
  • [39:15] Keith: Yeah. I mean, look,
  • [39:28] Keith: we all probably have or at least you to have, um, e with you, right? Yeah. I've never gotten to that part.
  • [39:38] Keith: Yeah. I mean, look, can you imagine like, that would be pretty rough. Like faking it is one thing, but faking it for months or years. I mean, they're engaged, right?
  • [39:44] Keith: Uh, that's I think that's like a devastating blow. I mean, I think there's
  • [39:53] Mike: a positive you're like I had a situation. Not this is much worse, but I had a situation in college with a lovely young lady where she
  • [40:00] Mike: revealed to me on one particular occasion, not as a general rule that she done it. Actually, like at first I was sort of
  • [40:21] Mike: a Nadal Essen way annoyed. But I have the maturity even then to be like, Well, if she told me that this time, then she's leaving honest and so like, then I you know, it's Aiken. Believe the other times. Does that make sense? So, like, I mean, there can be a positive your if it's not 100% faking if it's 100% faking, but even like admitting it's good, right?
  • [40:24] Keith: Yeah. It implies that in the future she'll be,
  • [40:32] Keith: Yeah, like, if she's willing to say that she faked it, then she'll say she yeah, the times that she fakes it. She'll probably tell you.
  • [40:32] Keith: I mean,
  • [40:46] Mike: it depends. It matters whether, like, she immediately goes to the Eric, Um, dirty talk move and just starts dissing on you for being a guy who can't get her off or something like that. And then you're just gonna get brutalized.
  • [40:53] Eric: Yeah. I think this guy's, uh, despair. This reflects badly on him. If I was in his position, I would be like,
  • [40:59] Eric: Great. This is an opportunity right? Like, now we can actually start having good sex. We haven't been for however long.
  • [41:04] Eric: So let's get down to brass tacks. Like, what am I doing wrong? Give me some guidance here,
  • [41:09] Keith: right? Yeah, That's definitely the attitude he should have. But,
  • [41:16] Keith: I mean, there's, like, a few things going on here. Like she probably felt the need to because she could feel his insecurity, right?
  • [41:18] Keith: And so,
  • [41:28] Keith: you know, she was loath to bring it up because she didn't think that he was going to be able to have a healthy conversation about it. And so, yeah, I don't know what comes first here, the chicken or the egg, but he's probably
  • [41:40] Keith: not confident enough to be like, Oh, wow. I'm really glad you communicated that to me. Like, you know. Do you like it more when I go down on you? Like, do you like clitoral stimulation or G spot? Or, like, you know, what can I do? Better, blah, blah, blah like Yeah, yeah,
  • [41:44] Eric: yes. This just generally bodes well. Ah, badly for their relationship.
  • [42:03] Eric: Yeah, and just give up. When I first heard this, my my thought was because the title was she accidentally revealed that he couldn't make her orgasm. I was like, Right. I bet it's really accidental. Like my my guess is like, this is like step one of her ending the relationship,
  • [42:07] Mike: huh? Have you had a relationship end this way? Because that's why you're saying that.
  • [42:16] Eric: No, no, but I I But in my really quick in my women do not accidentally let slip like devastating emotional. It's
  • [42:29] Keith: a fair point. Yeah, like if she had been protecting him against this for for months or years, it seems like it had to have been a calculated play. And yeah, like, I mean, an optimist would say like, Yeah, this was like a
  • [42:37] Keith: Trojan horse so that they can now have healthy conversations about it going forward. And a pessimist would say this is this a step one of three in the break up?
  • [42:38] Keith: But, Keith, what do you think
  • [42:41] Mike: would happen here if the genders were reversed?
  • [42:47] Eric: Wait, wait. The man was faking per year. Have you taken organism like
  • [42:57] Mike: I have? I have. I have to I have to do with the condom. You can do it. Yeah, but not repeatedly. I mean, it would be too hard
  • [43:01] Keith: Yeah, it's extremely difficult without a condom.
  • [43:04] Mike: Yes. And even with, I mean, you know,
  • [43:05] Mike: they some, some women can.
  • [43:09] Eric: Why is it more difficult without a condom? It's just because
  • [43:16] Keith: there's a fluid. They tell them they go to the bathroom to pee. After that, there's nothing there.
  • [43:23] Mike: Or if it's Orel, I mean, Eric, do we need to go back to the first segment of the show and show you all that fluid? I mean, you remember
  • [43:26] Mike: the prodigious amounts you generator, right? I mean, the woman would know, right?
  • [43:33] Eric: But you remember how I told you that it's that the river is has slowed to a stream.
  • [43:35] Mike: All right, I doubt it slowed that much, but Okay.
  • [43:42] Keith: Do you think I do think like, let's say you were having sex for the you know, the third time in the day, you might be able to pull off a fake, uh,
  • [43:43] Keith: three
  • [43:45] Mike: kind of fun? Uh huh.
  • [43:51] Mike: Have you have This is an interesting question. So, Keith, have you ever faked? I have never faked without a condom. Have you done that?
  • [43:55] Keith: No, I have not. I have not attempted this this high degree of difficulty. Move.
  • [43:57] Mike: Yeah, it would be interesting.
  • [44:04] Mike: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a fair point. If there was enough lubrication president stuff like that, it probably not obvious. And she might not care, too.
  • [44:11] Keith: I mean, the times I faked with a condom is just like, look like maybe there's not enough friction or, you know,
  • [44:17] Keith: getting bored or whatever it is. And it's like but yeah, like without a condom, like some of those issues go away.
  • [44:32] Mike: So but for Eric for faking I remember Eriks claim is that in terms of involuntary motions, him orgasm is sort of like viewing Amanat awake. Just nothing. So, Eric, that would actually be quite easy for you, right? I mean, it would just be you would just nothing would happen, right?
  • [44:34] Eric: Oh, let me be clear. Like
  • [44:47] Eric: I don't starfish during sex like I perform sex. I've conditioned myself. Thio, you know, provide a are It's like you know how cars pumping engine noise to the cabin. Now
  • [44:48] Eric: that's the thing that they
  • [44:57] Keith: dio do. Yeah, like there was a concern that Tesla's were, like creating too much roadkill. I guess that's pumping noise outside the car. But
  • [44:59] Mike: they're analogy, though, eh?
  • [45:09] Eric: So you know I pump noise into the into the cabin, and it's do you want? I'm sort of condition, like occasionally, um, I will, like moan a little bit when I masturbate. In fact,
  • [45:18] Keith: Eric, if you were on, like, the Star Trek Holodeck or like in Westworld with, like, one of those robots and like, you don't care at all about their feelings,
  • [45:20] Keith: would you just be differently?
  • [45:25] Keith: There is a difference. Same Just providing two different analogies here. You would just be
  • [45:26] Eric: so
  • [45:29] Eric: the difference between that and real life, but not carrying.
  • [45:36] Keith: Oh, sorry. It was darker and board Sadio. Oh, no. Would you
  • [45:38] Eric: are very much about your feelings.
  • [45:41] Keith: Would you be quiet? Like what? Like what do you think you're, like, preferred?
  • [45:49] Eric: Don't know. I might say something really crazy. I might be like victory for the forces of Democratic freedom. Like I don't know.
  • [45:49] Keith: Do you think
  • [45:54] Mike: that would enhance your orgasm to say some nutty start quoting like a speech or something?
  • [45:55] Eric: I don't know.
  • [45:57] Eric: I kind of want to try it now, though.
  • [46:01] Keith: Well, it's interesting. Sadly, holiday acts And what Westworld don't exist? Yeah,
  • [46:06] Mike: well, but he could just do it. You know, standing over his paper towel trail or how repeats off.
  • [46:11] Keith: I know that that's that's one of my e. No, I know. Uh
  • [46:16] Keith: I mean, I don't make much noise when I'm masturbating by myself. So
  • [46:17] Keith: I mean,
  • [46:19] Keith: even at
  • [46:29] Mike: the absolute client like and Eric even admitted that he's trained himself to, he's just saying that like, it's not the natural thing. Maybe before he had a partner when he was a kid, he didn't.
  • [46:45] Keith: Gosh, I don't know. Yeah, I probably moan a little bit like at the height of my solo climaxes. Interesting. But during during partnered sex, I sort of want to. It's not. It's not really a performance. It's like, I don't know, I'm like giving them positive feedback And it feels,
  • [46:50] Keith: I don't know, like I want Thio. I don't I don't know why it zio So
  • [46:57] Eric: it's definitely like 80% performative for me. I'm just like I have to say something or she's gonna think I'm weird and not enjoying it. So that
  • [47:08] Mike: might just be like a normal male thing toe like, because you do see, like I was joking earlier about how what women want is a totally silent man. Of course they don't write. You see women saying Make noise.
  • [47:29] Mike: There's actually it was a meme on, like tick tock or something recently where a woman was saying that. And then people made all these joke videos where there were men in a bed playing the tuba or whatever. Right, making noise. Get it? Eso itt's like I mean I mean, it's a standard thing that women want. And so you're saying, like, there you go. You picked it up. So it's a tip for men. Make noise. Well, I mean appropriate noise.
  • [47:50] Keith: Yeah. I mean, you see this on the sex started constantly. Yes. Okay, next topic this'll one is maybe a fastball down the middle. But actually, I think I'm going to say something that might surprise you guys. All right, to all six males. Would you ever consider dating a transgender woman? Does it matter to you whether the person you're dating is biologically a woman or transitioned from a man to a woman?
  • [48:00] Keith: I understand. Being ableto have biological Children is important too many and also reason why they choose to dates his females. But aside from that, blah, blah, blah. Okay, whatever the question is, would you ever consider dating a transgender woman?
  • [48:01] Keith: It's that
  • [48:09] Mike: Eric has a big problem with the Y chromosome. How would you even? I mean, Eric, how are you so sure that it's a No. I mean, if yeah, well, like
  • [48:12] Eric: an answer
  • [48:17] Eric: e just like, would you? I mean, remember Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs
  • [48:21] Eric: when he tucked his junk? Would you have sex with him?
  • [48:25] Keith: Well, that's not what, this same economy. No, it's not
  • [48:27] Eric: because, Okay, I disagree with that.
  • [48:40] Eric: Okay? Listen, you can mutilate your genitals all you want. You're still alot, so No, I don't. I'm straight. I am not attracted to men. I don't care what you what you do to yourself with plastic surgery. I'm not gonna have sex with you. Okay,
  • [48:41] Mike: hold. They don't. I mean,
  • [48:49] Keith: this is distance. Hold on. This is relevant because just this week, I think it waas uh,
  • [48:55] Keith: I don't remember if it was this week. In any case, I sent you guys a picture of a person
  • [49:05] Keith: from tinder and Oh, yeah, you didn't Even Eric, you didn't even realize it was like I asked a question about it. And you don't even realize it was a man until Mike pointed it out.
  • [49:07] Mike: Did I knew immediately? Okay,
  • [49:10] Eric: but it was from behind. How do you know it
  • [49:11] Keith: was a man?
  • [49:32] Keith: It doesn't matter. The point is e think there are Trans Star. I think there are. I think there are. I think that the science behind making men look like women now is getting really good. And I don't know what's going on down there. I haven't done like, much research. Um, but
  • [49:50] Keith: I could definitely imagine myself making the mistake of misjudging a trans man for for an actual woman. It's a trans woman. Whatever. Sorry, I don't I don't have my terminology here. Right. But you understand what I'm trying to say Like a person who has a Y chromosome but is presenting as a female
  • [49:53] Keith: like I think I've made the mistake,
  • [49:57] Keith: you know, recognizing people on dating apps from time to time. And so
  • [50:02] Keith: I'm not interested in interacting with the Penis, but
  • [50:06] Keith: yeah, it's getting increasingly hard to tell in some circumstances like this. So the question
  • [50:12] Mike: is, the question is, let's say someone was up front about it, okay? But you looked at the picture
  • [50:19] Mike: or the video or whatever. And you thought, Okay, this looks like a female. What would happen then?
  • [50:24] Mike: The person's up. Look, I'm no way, no your answer. I'm asking
  • [50:29] Keith: my My instinct is No. But like, let's say,
  • [50:42] Keith: like, let's say you found out like, Who's a really famously attractive woman? Like Let's say you found out that, like Sophia Loren and her prime was actually a trans man, Would you like a Trans woman? Would you accept a blowjob from her? Them
  • [50:46] Keith: from them? Um,
  • [50:50] Keith: I mean, like, I'm poking around the edges here like, Look,
  • [50:52] Mike: I mean, I think if you were in prison,
  • [50:52] Eric: I think if you
  • [50:54] Mike: were in prison long enough,
  • [50:57] Mike: you would accept blows from men.
  • [51:40] Mike: Male men, not man, not people to deliver the mail, but transmits. Yes, I think you would. And so it's like this is all situational. I mean, like your decision making there, like in a situation where I have alternatives that air actual females. I would rather that partly because, um yeah, like I would rather not interact with a Penis. And so, like, there's problems with the yellow brick road there with the trans woman. Right? Because like there's something that's coming that I'm not so to speak that I'm not gonna want have happened. I think that I I think that is the root cause of Eric's problem. Here, too, is like It's not Ah, mouth ultimately is a mouth. It's just like, you know, he doesn't want to spend his time pursuing somebody where it's just like
  • [51:41] Eric: but I don't
  • [51:48] Mike: know. I mean, Eric Well, whatever. I mean, you're gonna say that even in prison after 30 years, you would not accept a blow from a guy, and I just disagree, but okay,
  • [51:52] Eric: I don't know what I would dio, but okay, either way,
  • [51:56] Mike: Okay, So let's say you and also it was like a blow
  • [51:58] Eric: from a guy. It's, like, sort of the least
  • [51:59] Eric: revolting. That's
  • [52:06] Mike: right. Well, that's why we're, you know, revolting. But that's why you know, let's say it was like the movie the Martian. Except it's you and a man
  • [52:09] Mike: on Mars for a couple of years.
  • [52:14] Mike: You know, there's no hope of anybody else. A lot of men would, you know, Right. Maybe you should think. I
  • [52:16] Eric: suspect not. But who knows?
  • [52:46] Keith: Okay. All right. Next topic. Uh, this person says, Talk to me about pussy pumps. I don't know what Pump is. So I'm gonna ask one of you guys to describe what it is. E think for reading this. I I have an idea. This person is So I just bought one. How long were you supposed to pump for? I did a trial run tonight for about 20 minutes and was not overly impressed by the results. This section worked fine. I tried pumping to my max. I could go without it hurting than letting the air out.
  • [52:53] Keith: Had that on. Repeat for about 20 minutes. It didn't look or feel that different. I did a search on porn hub and they looked massively engorged.
  • [53:00] Keith: I never get anywhere near that. Please guide me through how to properly use one. Okay, let me tell you what I think of pussy Pump is from reading this. It's some sort of
  • [53:06] Keith: cup that you you place over your labia or maybe maybe your entire vagina,
  • [53:09] Keith: and then you can pump to try to draw blood into it.
  • [53:14] Mike: That's right. I mean, yeah, it's like there's also an equivalent male device. Right?
  • [53:18] Keith: Well, I know there's Penis pumps toe like help men get erections, right?
  • [53:22] Mike: Well, and for for whatever reason, people use it for fun. And I mean,
  • [53:26] Mike: you read the thing I've read about that is that
  • [53:31] Mike: is, you could like pop blood vessels. I mean, you know, you're creating, like, negative of vacuum basically, and like,
  • [53:35] Mike: it's not That's not Look, your Penis isn't supposed to operate in space,
  • [53:48] Mike: so you're gonna have problems. And I would imagine the same thing for a woman. For a man, at least, there's, like, a rational thing. You're trying to make it bigger right or something or trying to get. And also men just are always looking for that 0.1 better on the orgasm intensity. But
  • [54:08] Keith: for a woman No, no, no, no. Hold on. What is the woman doing that for, though it's like, does your labia like and does it last? I'm like, If does she like When? When do you even do this? Like, let's say your your boyfriend is over. And do you go to the bathroom? You're like, Hey, I need 20 minutes toe. Prepare my veg like what? What's even the sort of nominal use case here
  • [54:10] Mike: when I've seen,
  • [54:20] Mike: I don't think so. No, I think that I think the part that in gorgeous I look, have you seen? I've seen videos of this and of course, it's difficult to find something I haven't seen. And
  • [54:31] Mike: it's no, it's more of the parts below that that get bigger. It gets it just gets big, like it just gets big, large, the lips, the whole area. The whole area just gets puffy.
  • [54:36] Eric: Well, does it like help General sexual arousal? Is that what's going on?
  • [54:37] Mike: I doubt it. I think it's just down
  • [54:40] Eric: there and that gets jumpstart, something
  • [54:45] Mike: it might take on it. I had. I bet I bucket this mentally in the same bucket
  • [54:57] Mike: as those machines that women have sometimes on, like chatter bait, where it's a machine that with a dildo in the end, that just goes in and out like it's a machine, though, right? And they sit in automatic. Yeah, at all related.
  • [55:24] Mike: Oh, I bucket in that as a thing that, like a guy might think a woman once, but no woman has ever wanted. And it's just guys poor performance. You guys want to do something weird to a woman, so like I like what I could do to you, like Aiken, Suck all the air I Fulda in quadruple its size like check out what I did dio e I mean, it's like, on some level, it's like a little b d S M thing, right? And it's like it's like, Look at this thing I've done to you. I've made you into a gargoyle
  • [55:33] Keith: e. Okay, But there must be some. Presumably there's some, like, ostensible reason that that that a woman.
  • [55:51] Keith: But I understand. I understand that a man listen, this I want to read this, okay? I did a search in porn Hub, and they looked massively engorged. I never got anywhere near that. Please guide me through how to properly use what I imagine her, but like one of those, like Barbara peers that they used to show you like the back of your hair. Just I think
  • [56:03] Mike: no. Normally, I think no, kind of normally psychologically, you know, endowed woman would ever think of this. Just has no person would ever think of putting one of these over the butthole on gorging their anus. Why would you ever
  • [56:10] Keith: do that? Somebody had, like, you know, three mechanical and electrical engineers designed this thing and marketed for sale is because
  • [56:28] Mike: of men because of nutty men just like the sex machine thing. Like their men out there that want to do something bizarre. It's some sort of BDs something. It's because the guy wants to. I told you want to turn around into into some sort of gargoyle? That's what it is you like. Look what I did I did this to you know, other guy did this to you. I've got pictures of photo proof.
  • [56:30] Mike: Yeah, so in
  • [56:33] Keith: this case, it sounds like they were pretty underwhelming.
  • [56:34] Mike: It didn't work very well. And maybe
  • [56:38] Keith: she was trying todo Yeah, well, I mean, that's why she's asking for guidance. So that
  • [56:45] Mike: look, she needs to get a guy involved. You get a guy involved. That's my guidance. If you get a guy involved, he'll get it all pumped up for you.
  • [56:50] Mike: But he might do it to the point where it hurts like that. That was her problem That she stopped when it hurt a little.
  • [56:52] Keith: Okay. Yeah,
  • [56:57] Keith: Yes. Okay. Let's do Let's dio one more. Ah.
  • [57:14] Keith: Okay. This is a 32 year old man writing in. He says. I seem to function better when I'm horny. Exclamation point. Is there such a thing as pre nut clarity? People talk about post, not clarity, but I swear to God, I have pre nut clarity. When I'm horning I'm or live more driven, more productive, more focused, less stressed, just happier.
  • [57:21] Keith: I don't engage in any risky sexual behavior, and I wouldn't say I'm hyper sexual, but I try to stay horny as much as I can. What? Your thoughts on this?
  • [57:25] Mike: This reminds me of the, uh I don't know why. That reminds me of the of the
  • [57:28] Mike: video I saw online of the guys.
  • [57:31] Mike: By the way, this is a fun trick to pull. Apparently where you,
  • [57:35] Mike: uh there's a sound that the grinder app makes when you open it. Have
  • [57:36] Keith: we talked about this? Keep
  • [57:40] Keith: we talked about it briefly. Yeah, Okay. I don't know about it on the show that I can't remember.
  • [57:48] Mike: Yeah, so you open the grinder up. Makes this sound apparently, like if you go to an office environment, you can open grindr and find out which guys air gay. Anyway, it made me think of that because it's like
  • [57:50] Keith: what they hear the sound When you
  • [58:09] Mike: okay, they turn around. They're like, Oh, look a gay guy. And so then you know who's gay. But anyway, like the the Yeah, it made me think of that because it's like this thing of, like, just being horned up all the time like, Oh, man, I'm not. It's like it's like taking some kind of drug like I got a horn out here. Let me get on. And I mean, maybe that's why you know, guys do tend to look at porn throughout the day. It Well,
  • [58:10] Mike: some guys do.
  • [58:12] Mike: Maybe not you
  • [58:14] Mike: Some guys look at porn throughout the day. I
  • [58:19] Keith: don't think I don't know. I feel like when I'm horny, I'm less functional.
  • [58:21] Keith: Great. Just constantly keep thinking about it. Yeah,
  • [58:29] Eric: Yeah, that would be a horrible way to go through the day. I mean, masturbation is like a respite from that. Like that, Z, how do you scream Marie Purpose? How do you
  • [58:31] Mike: square that with the fact that
  • [58:40] Mike: people people's the period of their lives when they're able to input the most information in their brains is safe from age like 14 to say 30
  • [58:42] Mike: which also is exactly when
  • [58:46] Eric: men, That's just coincidence. Just because everything works better,
  • [58:48] Keith: everything looks better than you.
  • [58:55] Mike: Don't think. You don't think there's any chance that if you just horned yourself out for the next like year, that you become some sort of brain surgeon.
  • [59:01] Eric: No, I mean, this is this. Is Perry closely close to that Seinfeld episode
  • [59:04] Eric: where that didn't masturbating George got super smart.
  • [59:08] Mike: That's true. Well, but that was based on reality.
  • [59:08] Mike: Okay,
  • [59:13] Keith: right. Yeah. Larry, David and Jerry Side Filter, the sexologist of our time, right
  • [59:18] Mike: in Elaine. Elaine got stupider from not masturbating, if I recall correctly.
  • [59:23] Mike: So for women, it's like taking out the trash. If you don't do it,
  • [59:23] Mike: e
  • [59:23] Keith: just like that's
  • [59:30] Eric: how I feel about it. If you get you get to backed up, it's just you become less functional. It's unpleasant.
  • [59:31] Eric: Yeah, yeah, you
  • [59:33] Keith: were sweet spot.
  • [59:35] Keith: You don't think, but you're making
  • [60:10] Mike: Hang on. There's but you're making you're talking about. They're two different things here. They're sort of like the taking care of your daily needs thing. And they're separately, the feeling of being horny, which is like, Hey, I want to go out and get someone have sex with And that second one is a lot more like the thing that drives men to create art and do all these things they're trying to, like, impress women, right? And so it makes some sense to me that that feel Look at this. That that feeling So So you gotta You gotta separate from just the beat off mentality that kind of beat off. Yeah, okay, that's how you persuaded.
  • [60:12] Keith: Well,
  • [60:18] Keith: I mean, I think most of male achievement in the world is in service of trying to have sex with women,
  • [60:24] Mike: though not to beat off, though. I mean, men, although there are some devices that have been made to beat off.
  • [60:28] Keith: Well, there's all kinds of concern that, like, yeah, men
  • [60:31] Keith: driving towards having sex with
  • [60:39] Keith: Yeah, not caring about having sex with women as much is actually bad. Like they like panic about this in Japan, for example. Um,
  • [60:40] Keith: I remember the question. What was
  • [60:47] Mike: the question? Because men won't be his production. You're basically agreeing that there could be some linkage between horny nous
  • [60:48] Mike: trying to impress women.
  • [60:53] Keith: Yeah, I think there's a Goldilocks zone. I think there's a There's a spot space in the middle where
  • [60:59] Keith: if you're masturbating or like, have like, you know, plenty of sex available to you,
  • [61:02] Keith: it might make you less less driven. But if you're
  • [61:08] Mike: thinking you're horny, is okay, you're thinking of horny like this. You're thinking this guy's questions are This guy's comment is more like
  • [61:19] Mike: It's not just he's like Laden, Lee horny like, kind of interested in women. This is to the point where he's, like, got an erection and he's rubbing it every so often. You're like, Look, that's once you get to that level like you're not going to be productive. And I agree with that.
  • [61:25] Keith: Yeah, like it's probably like I probably masturbate too much for peak
  • [61:37] Keith: performance and things that aren't masturbating. And so, yeah, I don't know. My guess is that it's like once or twice a week is probably the ideal amount and anything more than that, you start.
  • [61:37] Keith: Yeah, but isn't
  • [61:43] Mike: the argument here not not have incubation? It's not about masturbation. The argument here is about,
  • [61:44] Mike: like
  • [61:50] Mike: finding women for a man, right? Like it's Yeah. Okay. I'm kind of like
  • [61:52] Eric: I've a take on this,
  • [62:12] Eric: uh, the thing that he's talking to, the the are sex Guy is talking about being horny thing. I disagree with him. The thing that you're talking about about how you know, when your sex drive goes down, you're sort of life stripe goes down. That's about testosterone. And that's important, I think. And testosterone and hardiness are related,
  • [62:15] Eric: but not over the short term.
  • [62:28] Eric: So things question is talking about, like, this sort of hour by hour sexual transients making him, you know, horning, transient, horning us, making him or productive that I think is bs or he's weird or something.
  • [62:37] Eric: The notion of like, yeah, when your testosterone levels go down, like when you're our age, you suddenly just stopped giving a shit about doing anything, I think. Well, I think
  • [62:45] Keith: just Yeah, I guess my theory would be excessive. Masturbation might drop your testosterone levels, but I'm not sure
  • [62:51] Mike: I I don't actually know if that's true or not. That's but yeah. Okay. Okay. I think that that will make sense.
  • [62:52] Keith: Yeah.
  • [62:56] Keith: Um all right. We've done enough today. Does anybody else have anything else you'd like to add? I
  • [62:59] Mike: wanted to thank you for coming on. I think he had a show.
  • [63:05] Eric: Yeah, this is This is a real dream come true. And all the listeners out there Hey, if you want to be a guest sending those feedback forms