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Episode 22: Female POV Porn, Ally's Amish Fetish, Counting Spurts, Daily Climax Count, Soft Nipples, Announcing Orgasms

Team YMMV | 12-14-2020 | 1:03:17

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Our first female guest, Ally, reveals a woman's perspective on giving blowjobs, what she thinks about while masturbating, and whether she cares how many spurts of semen a man produces.

She also helps us answer pressing questions: how many orgasms per day feel good? Are soft nipples a turn-off? Why do men like to announce before they orgasm?

For those who want to follow along, here are the links to the videos we watched at the beginning of the episode (in order):

https://ymmv.me/22/fpov-blow-1

https://ymmv.me/22/fpov-blow-2

https://ymmv.me/22/fpov-blow-3

We get a lot of our questions from the Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/22/max-climaxes

https://ymmv.me/22/soft-nipples

https://ymmv.me/22/announcing-orgasms

Episode Transcript

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  • [0:33] Ally: there was one guy who I went down on and like, uh, this was our first encounter, but I was blowing him, and he at one point, like he seemed to be enjoying it. He at one point, like, stopped me, and he was like, I came and I had not felt anything in my mouth that I was like, No, you didn't. E s. So at that point, I thought, Oh, he must have hated this and somehow just wanted me to stop doing it.
  • [0:33] Ally: Hello,
  • [0:47] Keith: And welcome to your mileage may vary. Your mileage may vary is a podcast about sex and occasionally if we absolutely can't help it Relationships E. M Keith, my co host is Mike. Establish that you're here, Mike, I'm here. Right?
  • [1:09] Keith: Um, after the unmitigated success of our interview episode last week, we're going to do another. Your mileage may very first today, and this has for well years. But our number one most requested thing We finally found a real live female to come onto this show. Alice called qualifications for this dubious honor, our myriad. But instead of detailing those I want to know, how does it feel to be such a barrier breaker alley.
  • [1:16] Ally: I'm excited to be your first I've listened to every episode, Have been looking forward to this. Thanks for having
  • [1:30] Keith: me. I'm so sorry s o. We're going to bring Allie on our usual journey today, which, of course, starts with our famous life watching of porn segment. And we'll follow that with a wide range of conversation wrestling various sexual matters to the mat.
  • [1:40] Keith: But first, a tiny bit of housekeeping. Last week we bumped our offer to $15 to anyone who writes us a meaningful feedback. You could do that at Y m m v pod at gmail dot com.
  • [1:54] Keith: One wonders how much we'd have to offer before were flooded with feedback, but apparently $15 for a few minutes of time still isn't enough. Please write us. Mike needs validation, and I'm starting to question the value of the U. S. Dollar.
  • [2:14] Keith: Okay, Ali, Mike, let's get this started for our newer listeners. Here's what we're going to Dio. Mike has found a porn clip that he thinks is remarkable in some way. Neither Alley or I have seen this video. Actually, there's three videos here. We're gonna watch and discuss and the links to the videos themselves are in the show. Notes. Do you want to say anything else before we do this, Mike?
  • [2:23] Mike: Um, no. I mean, they're all on a common theme, so that was sort of the idea here, Um, and yeah, well, just follow along, and people can grab another show notes and go along with us.
  • [2:24] Keith: Okay?
  • [2:34] Keith: Um I mean, I'm ready. Ali, are you ready? All right. I don't so we haven't seen these. Okay, I'm going to start in 321 Go.
  • [2:42] Mike: So this is from a female point of view. A man is immediately ejaculating all over the woman's hand in her tongue is sort of caressing his Penis
  • [2:46] Mike: again and again. There's a lot of semen there, and
  • [2:49] Mike: yeah, I mean, she's just sort of
  • [2:51] Mike: got her tongue there, and then it repeated. So let's move on to the second one
  • [2:59] Keith: Is interesting how it's bouncing backwards like that, but okay, we'll get into this. All right? I'm going to start the next one in 321 go.
  • [3:06] Mike: This is another female point of view. Blowjob. Okay. She's actually sort of stroking the semen into her mouth, and this one on her tongue.
  • [3:15] Mike: And this is the one that showed this twosome male friends who did not like this clip. They felt like it was repellent on it. Already looped. So So that's what we had. Their
  • [3:21] Keith: OK, and now we're on the third one. Heart. 321 go!
  • [3:39] Mike: This is a woman who's it's a side view of a woman giving oral to a man, and he's climaxing in her mouth and she is clearly surprised by the quantity. Uh, it already looped, but just to give you an idea, I mean, she's her eyes. I think it's acting, but she's clearly receiving more than she expected. Um,
  • [3:46] Ally: I mean, luckily, luckily, no one during the actual act has this P O. V. Because it looks
  • [3:48] Ally: cartoonish.
  • [3:52] Keith: Yeah, like I'm not sure.
  • [4:07] Keith: I'm not sure she is acting. They're like, Well, okay. I mean, this is obviously a professional seen, as evidenced by the makeup and the pubic hair configuration of the man. But yeah, I think there's I think she's genuinely getting a little bit more like I think she is struggling to keep it all in her mouth.
  • [4:09] Mike: Is that her goal?
  • [4:10] Mike: Uh huh.
  • [4:16] Mike: I was thinking the goal was just to, like, continue breathing and living normally.
  • [4:18] Keith: Move.
  • [4:29] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, she's definitely breathing through her nose at this point because there's no space left in the back of the throat. It's totally occluded by seamen. Uh,
  • [4:33] Keith: right. What do you think the common theme here is Mike?
  • [4:44] Mike: Uh, semen overload. Obviously, Uh, Orel Semen, semen overload and e. I mean, the first thing, like Keith, did you know that female point of view blowjob porn existed?
  • [4:52] Keith: No. And I'm actually especially in this second one, actually. Both the 2nd and 3rd 1. Are they wearing like, a GoPro? Or like, how are we getting this angle?
  • [5:05] Mike: You mean the 1st and 2nd? Yeah. I mean, it looks it must be some sort of camera mounted on the forehead of the woman whose you can't really see. I mean, you could see your nose in her mouth and her tongue. Eso you were actually unaware that this even existed?
  • [5:12] Mike: Yeah. OK, now, now, Ali, I'd like to know from you. Is this accurate? Is this what the female point of view is?
  • [5:25] Ally: E. I mean, it's accurate in terms of positioning. I was aware this existed because one of my problems with porn is that I don't want to see, like, another woman. Too much eso I prefer porn. That's just dicks. Um,
  • [5:29] Ally: I guess you know none of them.
  • [5:35] Ally: They're not using their full, like mouth or throat, right? They're staying very close to the head. And like, the first two
  • [5:36] Keith: and just
  • [5:38] Ally: licking and using their hand a lot,
  • [5:44] Ally: which I mean happens, that's accurate. But it's not the full blow job. I'm curious. Why?
  • [5:49] Ally: Why? Your friend thought that the second was repulsive. Like, I don't think that's repulsive.
  • [6:07] Mike: Oh, because from a male perspective, at least, his male perspective, I mean, look, Keith didn't even know this existed. Of course I did. Because I am a dedicated researcher. Yeah, kind of. Sort of too weird, but yeah. Anyway, uh, is it? It is a little weird, but the Yeah, the the
  • [6:20] Mike: the repellent issue element for a man. It's simply like a man doesn't want to be the tongue receiving semen on it. He wants to be the giver. Yeah. Um, and I also I imagine Yes, you're of course, right. That that's not now. If if you
  • [6:21] Ally: did a
  • [6:39] Mike: female point of view and I mean, I could find some like this, but most female point of view blow porn eyes with the tongue extended in this sort of format because otherwise, like, I'd imagine that the female point of view is just you're looking into pubic hair, right? But not it becomes even less interesting. Right?
  • [6:42] Keith: Well, all these men are shaved.
  • [6:46] Mike: Okay, fine. There. You're looking into somebody's sort of crotch with, you know, but
  • [6:47] Ally: But, you know, you can
  • [7:03] Mike: understand. Like, I mean, there's a lot of porn that depicts men male point of view where the man wants to. Actually, the porn producer wants to show him ejaculating onto her tongue. And so in that sense, like this is pretty realistic, I think. Right. I mean, this is a thing that men men want, right? Ali?
  • [7:04] Ally: Yeah.
  • [7:09] Ally: Thio to ejaculate onto like someone's, I guess. Yeah. Telling her face or
  • [7:11] Ally: lips. Sure.
  • [7:23] Mike: Okay, but the question I have it's like, yeah, I just want to know whether this really quickly, like, does this like Soapy. They're trying to capture what a woman sees through her eyes. In that moment. Is that does this do a good job
  • [7:24] Ally: of that?
  • [7:32] Ally: I still think it's a little bit too far back, although, you know, maybe that's because you want to, like, have the whole head in your mouth
  • [7:37] Ally: when I finished. Usually, I mean, in terms of volume. Like, I guess you said you chose these because you think it's,
  • [7:48] Ally: um, over abundance of ejaculate. Maybe the first one And I also had that question Keith had of why it seems like it's flowing down the front of his Penis.
  • [7:53] Keith: I think. Okay, I've watched this what while you guys were chatting? So what's happening is
  • [8:11] Keith: she's using the underside of her tongue on the tip of his Penis and and the first spurt, I think, hits the underside of the top of the tongue and ricochets back over his head and shaft and actually makes it all the way up, like onto the lower part of his abdomen. Eso
  • [8:12] Keith: so she's like that.
  • [8:23] Keith: It is a trick shot, but like what's particularly impressive is like it has to bounce off like a not very hard surface, like the underside of her tongue, like absorbs a little bit. So that was pretty pretty good velocity. The
  • [8:34] Mike: difference between these videos. Simply the first two videos. Simply the positioning, Like grab in one Gravity's pointing. You know, the guys sitting down And the second one is standing upright.
  • [8:38] Ally: Yeah, I think she also just could be using her tongue toe. Push the seam in that direction.
  • [8:46] Keith: Wait a minute. I see You're right. She's His Penis is perpendicular to the ground in the first one.
  • [8:49] Mike: Oh, is it really? You know, I had the impression that it was He was seated.
  • [8:50] Ally: Okay. I think he's lying down.
  • [8:54] Keith: He is lying down. Okay, this makes a lot more sense. So gravity is what's okay. All right.
  • [8:56] Mike: Okay. So that is what's going on.
  • [9:02] Keith: I was OK. Eso let's impress now. I mean, it's still
  • [9:04] Keith: quite a bit of volume, but
  • [9:12] Ally: yeah, I think that one has, like, you know, top 75% amount of volume. I feel like the second one is a normal volume.
  • [9:14] Ally: Third one. You can't tell
  • [9:24] Mike: the third video, though, do you? Do you ever? Is that an experience that you've had? Is that ring true to you? This experience where it's something it's shockingly large amount and you or or or our faces Totally faked.
  • [9:32] Ally: E mean, I think I think she's acting for the camera. I have a couple of times had the experience of a lot of
  • [9:38] Ally: volume, and that is not as bad as viscosity. If it's too thick,
  • [9:41] Ally: that can kind of make you wanna gag a little.
  • [9:42] Ally: So
  • [9:53] Mike: how did I mean? It's So how does that work like, How do you How do you know? Like, what stage of the process is it? Spurt one spurt three. When do you know, like Okay, this is what I'm dealing with. Here is the immediate.
  • [9:59] Ally: Now, I would say two or three. It has to have some time to reach, like the taste receptors in the back of your tongue and, uh,
  • [10:12] Mike: viscosity. I don't totally get the viscosity. Like, how do you? I mean, it seems to me like if I was drinking a milkshake, Yeah, I wouldn't know the viscosity until I removed the straw from my mouth and I sort of switched it around with my tongue. Is it the same or
  • [10:19] Ally: Oh, I mean, sometimes it's very thick. Sometimes there's not even swishing. It's like like a glob of like snot or
  • [10:29] Mike: whatever, But can you detect that immediately, or do you have toe? I mean, it seems to me that would be something you would detect, like maybe later, when you try to dispose of it.
  • [10:30] Ally: Oh, I mean, we're talking
  • [10:37] Keith: about matters of seconds here, right? So, like, is that in the 1st 500 milliseconds, or is it in the first five seconds? E.
  • [10:47] Ally: I would say in the 1st, 2nd or two. I mean, like, usually I will try to swallow. But if it's too thick and it's like I think it's gonna make me gag to swallow, then I won't. I would know that within the first.
  • [10:48] Ally: Okay, so
  • [10:54] Mike: basically, what you're saying is that, like when it's probably, I'm guessing that although you can correct me on this, I'm guessing that
  • [10:58] Keith: you need to close these windows. By the way, they just loop, loop, loop. There you go. I'm
  • [11:14] Mike: guessing that it's the same. It's it's sort of similar from guided like, in other words, the same guy is going to deposit something similar. But so when you when you when you receive it like there's the there's this, there's this odds. That's something like a hockey puck instead of it being a fluid. It's something like a hockey puck is just like, Oh no eso
  • [11:30] Ally: its's neither that big nor that hard as a hockey puck. It's like the from guy to guy. You're right. The variation between guys is greater than the variation for a single guy. Hydration matters a lot like if it's too thick, that guy should be drinking more water.
  • [11:31] Ally: Well, maybe it's been a
  • [11:35] Keith: while since he came And like like its thickness related to,
  • [11:41] Keith: you know, unit of sperm per unit of seminal fluid.
  • [11:56] Ally: I don't know what I What I think is related to that is taste, because I've gone down on a few guys who've had vasectomies and they all tasted good. Um, the only guys who I think it tastes bad. In my experience, it doesn't really correlate to diet. It's more
  • [12:05] Ally: correlated toe like youth and not having a vasectomy. So I think my hypothesis, like I have no way of testing this on my hypothesis is that it's the actual sperm that make it taste bad.
  • [12:16] Keith: Okay, that's interesting. You have a better way of testing this than like, an ideo way. I'm not. I'm not self does it? Well,
  • [12:28] Ally: you have to find a guy and, like, go down on him both pre and post vasectomy and see if it changed. We would have to be a guy who tasted bad pre vasectomy. I don't know. Anyone fits this profile. Yeah,
  • [12:38] Keith: you could stimulate this by like, yeah, like having several orgasms in a day and like later, orgasms might have less sperm, although there might be less seminal fluid to I'm not sure
  • [12:39] Mike: I have no
  • [12:43] Ally: idea. I don't know how number of sperm correlates with, like, time of day.
  • [12:55] Mike: And when you said age, there was something you said there because obviously the probability of having a vasectomy goes up with age. Or were you saying that it tastes better when the man is older or younger?
  • [13:03] Ally: Older? So I guess I'm thinking, in my experience, the guys who taste bad. We're both young and had not had vasectomies, which I know are correlated.
  • [13:07] Mike: I got to think that's like alcohol or diet. Or although I with an older person, i
  • [13:11] Keith: e. It's mostly just I think it's mostly just
  • [13:14] Keith: the lack of sperm. That's the dominating factor.
  • [13:15] Mike: I don't think so.
  • [13:21] Mike: I think it's going to be. I think it's gonna be, um, some sort of health factor. And what I'm guessing is that
  • [13:23] Keith: drinking too many white clothes or something like, What's that? There's
  • [13:41] Mike: that. And also, I suspect that Ali's propensity to have sex with old older man I don't know how old we're talking about here, but an older man probably relate correlates to his fitness more so, you know, I'm saying so. The the older guy that she's willing to have sex with this probably statistically way more fit than the younger guy, right?
  • [13:45] Keith: Okay. And you think that makes his his ejaculate cleaner?
  • [13:52] Mike: Yes, that would be my supposition. But, Ali, you, you you you don't have a preference from more fit older guys.
  • [13:58] Ally: I mean, they're not like marathoners or anything like they're not in the hospital. But you know, they're not.
  • [14:05] Ally: Adan is's either. And to go back to the diet 0.1 guy who did taste bad,
  • [14:08] Ally: didn't drink and was a vegetarian.
  • [14:15] Ally: So I've heard both of those things are correlated to taste. But in my experience like that, can't I guess fully make up for it?
  • [14:20] Keith: I've heard I mean, the thing you see all the time is pineapple juice is supposed to help.
  • [14:20] Keith: I
  • [14:24] Mike: like the idea that actively helps to. That's interesting. Well,
  • [14:35] Keith: the reason I don't I'm skeptical of that. I mean, why? Well, that just means that like, yeah, the the root of the problem here is on. That's that's a little tricky
  • [14:48] Mike: to get rid of. It is tricky because most men, when they are dating and getting, you know, sort of dating around multiple women probably don't have vasectomies. And actually, it makes you wonder who are these men that Ali's finding that have had vasectomies?
  • [14:50] Ally: Well, they're old, but
  • [14:54] Mike: But they're all Are they married? That's all right. We should move on from that. I
  • [14:59] Keith: mean, they need e think
  • [15:02] Ally: two were one was not.
  • [15:04] Mike: Now, there we go. Okay.
  • [15:10] Mike: Yeah, because the vasectomy usually correlates with Hey, I've had enough kids. Although not always. Sometimes people decided to be child free.
  • [15:15] Ally: Yeah, I know all of these men had Children. Not with me with other people.
  • [15:18] Mike: Well, certainly. Yeah, I would be too late. E
  • [15:26] Keith: have, like, another like, sort of offshoot of this conversation about semen. So we had a gentleman on last week. Eric who?
  • [15:28] Keith: Ah,
  • [15:50] Keith: claims or not claims. He says that he, I guess, claims that he produces. He produced much mawr semen volume when he was younger. Do you notice material differences in volume produced between men? Or is it like like, could you rank everyone by, like, amount of semen or or do you like, How close do you think you would actually be if you were forced to make a ranking?
  • [16:29] Ally: It's more noticeable on the lower end. Like I couldn't tell you who I've been with who had who produced the most seem. And I guess that wasn't noticeable. Most people are either like, yeah, that's a normal amount. Or like that's very little, actually, there was one guy who I went down on and like, uh, this was our first encounter, but I was blowing him, and he, at one point, like he seemed to be enjoying it at one point, like, stopped me. And he was like, I came and I had not felt anything in my mouth. And I was like, No, you didn't like E s. So at that point, I thought, Oh, he must have hated this and somehow just wanted me to stop doing it. So then I thought
  • [16:35] Keith: this last week. The male faking an orgasm during a blowjob is really You know what he
  • [16:42] Ally: did? He maintains that he did not like this was a friend of mine. Like I'm still in touch with him. And he you know, he said he didn't
  • [16:46] Ally: I don't know. No, not still. I
  • [16:49] Keith: think like way have one another. You
  • [16:54] Ally: know, I think like a day after two days after something I
  • [17:14] Ally: said, Like, you know, you didn't have thio not to say that I was like, you didn't have to say you came If you just, like, wanted me to stop doing that. And he's like, No, I did. I came when I was like, I felt nothing. E mean, I'm relying on my tongue here, but like usually you feel something. So either he just comes minuscule amounts. Or, like not at all.
  • [17:25] Mike: I have a question about because, wouldn't it? I would think that the e I mean, it's not just the fluid, right? I mean, you would also feel like the sort of rhythmic contractions of his Penis, right?
  • [17:35] Mike: Like it's hard for me to breathe that if I had a okay. I mean, I got if I had a Penis in my mouth, I think I could tell now. I mean,
  • [18:04] Mike: like, last week. Also, our guest Erik, claimed that he thought he could read us texts. And by the way, Keith, he's refusing to record us videos or audios so we can do our little experiment. He said he could read a text, and we would be unable to tell which text Hey climaxed in the middle of. In other words, he claimed he could continue reading without any interruption whatsoever and that, I mean, it's possible. But I don't believe that you could also simultaneously remove all rhythmic contractions from your Penis, right? I mean, I feel like you would notice.
  • [18:08] Keith: Can I Can I add some color to that? Maybe
  • [18:15] Keith: like if you're having a not very intense orgasm, it might affect the contractions as well.
  • [18:18] Keith: I'm gonna be Oh,
  • [18:23] Mike: I'm gonna go with this guy, is on antidepressants and can't nut. That's what I'm going.
  • [18:31] Ally: Oh, I that had not encouraged me. But that's possible. Yeah. I didn't feel any contractions. It didn't like when he said I came That was a complete surprise to me.
  • [18:42] Mike: Maybe. You know, we've discussed this sometimes. You know, women sometimes have difficulty discerning what is and is not an orgasm. Maybe this is the very rare sort of man who is unclear on what it is.
  • [18:44] Keith: Maybe
  • [18:47] Keith: I don't know. I don't know.
  • [19:02] Keith: Okay. I think we've talked enough about semen load and volume, right? Um, okay. I mean, since we have a woman on, we have to talk about the female orgasm, and I have a topic. I mean, that's just I mean,
  • [19:02] Keith: you
  • [19:06] Ally: sound so disappointed. Toe have to talk about it. Well, let's
  • [19:27] Keith: turn. We'll see where this we'll see where this goes, but, um okay, so this person on Reddit says, Ladies, how many times can you climax in one session? I think I just hit my max with waterproof vibrator and a hot bath. It was definitely over 10, but I lost count. I usually aim for three. Now, I'm wondering if all women can have multiple like this,
  • [19:31] Keith: and okay, I want to read like the first comment here because I think it's sort of
  • [19:33] Keith: I think it's good, right?
  • [19:43] Keith: This person says probably too many times to count. What I mean by that is there's a certain point where orgasm stop feeling like separate orgasms and more like peaks of a Sinus wave she made sign.
  • [19:58] Keith: Um, so long as the stimulation is present, it just feels like having one really drawn out orgasm until my body becomes too sensitive to be stimulated any further assed good as it sounds, I personally prefer discreet orgasms. They feel much more powerful and cathartic than writing the orgasm wave.
  • [20:16] Keith: The latter feels amazing to obviously, but it's closer to being in a pleasantly delirious state than a proper orgasm. If I had to guess why, it probably say that in the latter case, the nerves quickly get fried and thus desensitized. It's a much more dull sort of pleasure than the sharpness of the signature singular orgasm. OK,
  • [20:17] Keith: what
  • [20:21] Keith: happens when you orgasm? Alley?
  • [20:25] Ally: Uh, so it's much more of like the,
  • [20:26] Ally: you know,
  • [20:47] Ally: cresting and then falling like I don't know what she means by riding the wave. I think when people compare an orgasm to a sneeze or something, that's what they're describing. There's a buildup. You feel like you're getting to a certain point And then there's just something happens. Yeah, something happens. There's like a massive release. It feels very good. You can feel like your body is being flooded with, like, I guess, serotonin. Um
  • [20:50] Ally: And so, in terms of, can you have multiple orgasms? Like
  • [20:56] Ally: if you wait a little while like you wait a minute or something after the orgasm you can, like, start
  • [21:03] Ally: masturbating Or start having someone touch you again and start building up again. And sometimes that's a little bit quicker. The build up,
  • [21:04] Ally: Um,
  • [21:09] Ally: but I've never experienced that where you just feel like you're continually having
  • [21:13] Ally: one like long, multi peaked orgasm. It sounds nice. I've never do
  • [21:18] Keith: you think this person is mischaracterizing what's happening?
  • [21:24] Ally: Maybe. I mean, maybe what she's doing is more like edging where she's just, like, built up
  • [21:35] Ally: and then is kind of staying in that point where you're we're like, the buildup is very. I don't know if you've accumulated a lot of arousal, Um,
  • [21:37] Ally: and she's just like staying at that sort of
  • [21:40] Ally: plateau for a long time.
  • [21:41] Ally: I
  • [21:42] Mike: don't
  • [21:55] Mike: Is that something that women do? I mean, I know we run across questions from men I always find it a little gross. Like this notion of some man just edging for hours. Uh, is this something that that that is appealing to
  • [21:57] Ally: women?
  • [22:02] Ally: I mean, I don't know, like, not certainly not for hours. I mean,
  • [22:08] Ally: for a minute. Maybe. I think what could happen is if you
  • [22:18] Ally: are imagining some kind of fantasy or like reading a story or something, and you feel like maybe you haven't quite gotten to the good part, and you wanna wait and come at the good part? You could
  • [22:21] Ally: no delay in that sense, Like, start touching
  • [22:25] Ally: less sensitive parts of you or something. Um
  • [22:27] Ally: what? There's
  • [22:35] Mike: something embedded in what she just said, Heath. So So you're telling us that you have a tendency to do this while reading some sort of erotic fiction? Yeah.
  • [22:43] Mike: Okay. And, you know, uh, you know, maybe because you've already read that story before like that there's gonna be a good part coming or
  • [22:44] Mike: it's formulaic enough.
  • [23:00] Ally: Well, I mean, no, I rarely, I guess go back to stories I've read before, but you can tell because of, like, the way the scene is set up or, you know, they're still kissing like you don't wanna coming at that moment. I think I think
  • [23:15] Mike: women use erotic fiction because, like, the male body is just so gross that, like, that way you don't have to like if a woman is watching a porn. Although you did say at the beginning of the episode that you prefer porn. That's sort of all dicks. Yeah, I don't find the
  • [23:22] Ally: male body gross. I like the male body. I just also like written stories, I guess.
  • [23:38] Mike: But if you're reading a story, can't you, like, insert into it like a guy that you're attracted to or somebody that, like you can you can mentally picture whoever you want. But if you have to look at it on a video, then you're sort of forced toe. You just take what they give you. Is that sort of the key difference?
  • [23:57] Ally: Well, so this is what I was talking thio Keith earlier about Is that like I have a lot of trouble picturing people I know, like in general, like I have a lot of trouble picturing a face of somebody I know. So I don't do that. And I think that's just particular to me. I think I have some form of, like, prospect nausea where I
  • [24:00] Ally: have trouble picturing faces.
  • [24:06] Mike: Well, it wouldn't say. Okay, so that so what you're saying is, but but reading a story, then you're not picturing anything. It's just like the
  • [24:11] Mike: I'm asking these questions partly because for men, I think it's a little like men.
  • [24:11] Ally: When I
  • [24:28] Mike: was a kid, uh, maybe I would read a story, but that was because of just, like, actual access issues Thio something better. But but for men, I think it's a little confusing why? Somebody would want to read a story as opposed to watch a video of the same thing. Um, there must be different things about it that are arousing.
  • [24:40] Ally: Yeah, I guess I'm imagining the scene exactly the way that I would want it. Ah, lot of times, almost all the time, you know, fantasy or something. I imagine myself as the man. Um,
  • [24:46] Mike: like what? Okay, now we're getting somewhere. So
  • [24:51] Mike: Okay, So you're the man. Does that mean that you're thrusting the Penis? Yeah.
  • [24:53] Mike: Okay, So
  • [25:01] Mike: So? So the porn we watched at the beginning of this might have might have sort of repelled you as well, because You're like, I don't want my Penis. No,
  • [25:09] Ally: Just like Well, I mean, I like penises. And I also like to imagine what it would feel like to be a guy having sex.
  • [25:14] Mike: Okay. What? What? What about that? Do you find compelling?
  • [25:20] Keith: It is compelling, by the way, If you were really, really, really great.
  • [25:22] Ally: Um,
  • [25:23] Ally: I guess the
  • [25:28] Ally: the difference in sensation, the idea that, like during sex
  • [25:34] Ally: ah, lot of what I'm thinking about is like what the guy is doing or feeling. So that's
  • [25:37] Ally: most of what I guess I'm thinking about during sex.
  • [25:42] Mike: You're thinking about the man. Yeah. Yeah,
  • [25:52] Mike: that's interesting. I Keith, do you think about the woman during sex like you? Do you imagine yourself through the eyes of the woman? Or do you think you understood what Ali said? Like, is there is there some equivalent cause I think I do not do
  • [26:10] Keith: that. I don't either. Like I can abstract lee imagine sort of considering what would feel like to be filled up or something, but that doesn't feel compelling to me, especially by a Penis. I'm almost, like, sort of revolted by the thought of it. Yeah.
  • [26:24] Mike: I mean, I think I I I Yeah. I mean, I've said before on this podcast. Like, I have strange feelings about that. Sometimes we're like, I almost irritates me that the other person is a person. Uh, which,
  • [26:39] Ally: Uh, yeah, that's a red flag. I mean, reciprocally, I would say it feels it feels good to be filled up by a Penis. And I would say it feels less good to be filled up by other things. Like inserting a tampon does not feel good.
  • [26:43] Ally: Like, really, You want a Penis or probably nothing,
  • [26:47] Mike: right? Well, what about? I mean, some people argue that a finger
  • [26:53] Mike: it's because of the dexterity and the joints and stuff like that could be a lot more compelling than a Penis. You don't agree with
  • [26:54] Keith: spot more
  • [27:01] Ally: easily. It can be good, but I would say I prefer the Penis. I think the fingers like a little too thin.
  • [27:09] Mike: All right. Are you someone that requires penetration to climax or no? Okay. Some people claim Thio. It's unclear, you
  • [27:11] Keith: know
  • [27:13] Keith: so
  • [27:17] Keith: okay. Yeah. I mean, all right, e get so alright.
  • [27:21] Ally: Your confounded by this e.
  • [27:49] Keith: Okay. I want to read another. I want to read another Reddit poster. Okay, so this person says I'm a 21 year old female, not comfortable fantasizing about people I know. The title is literally it. Fantasizing about people I know feels wrong to me. I genuinely feel like I'm violating those individuals behind their backs. I've no guarantee that they would be comfortable with me. Imagining them such exposed to intimate situations. I know that they will likely never know, and it doesn't really affect them at all. And yet the question of the subsequent guilt still follow me.
  • [27:57] Keith: And so I feel like most of my fantasies. So if I'm not watching porn, if I'm like masturbating in the shower
  • [28:03] Keith: or without visual stimulation of some kind, it's almost always focused on somebody.
  • [28:04] Keith: Is that
  • [28:07] Keith: I thought that's how it was for everybody,
  • [28:10] Keith: like, But if you're not picturing faces,
  • [28:12] Keith: who is it?
  • [28:19] Ally: Oh, I mean, it's mostly just anonymous people. It's It's more like I'm picturing a scenario,
  • [28:22] Ally: um, than any particular person.
  • [28:25] Mike: Why don't you give us an example of a scenario?
  • [28:26] Ally: Ah,
  • [28:29] Ally: like,
  • [28:30] Ally: um,
  • [28:32] Mike: like I'm on this podcast with these guys?
  • [28:39] Ally: Exactly. Yeah, e mean sometimes there's sort of,
  • [28:44] Ally: uh, implausible. I guess like one would be like,
  • [28:48] Ally: I am an Amish man. And for some reason,
  • [28:59] Ally: like all of the Amish women in my community, like, want to have babies and they require me to, like, provide them with that, Uh, that's actually
  • [29:03] Mike: a very that's a very male fantasy. Now, that's a very male fantasy. There, that's
  • [29:07] Ally: the in in the fantasy. I'm the guy, right? Like I'm not. Yeah,
  • [29:13] Mike: I know. It's the all the all the all the pussy's in the world suddenly only fit me that fantasy,
  • [29:24] Keith: right? I mean, yeah. I mean, I've had I've certainly had that one, but not in an office community. I'm gonna I'm gonna add that to the bank here and see if, like, all upon it in a time of need.
  • [29:25] Ally: I'm gonna go
  • [29:26] Mike: on.
  • [29:47] Mike: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I don't think this is that common for a woman as a fantasy. This this u e I mean, this sort of gender bending, uh, and actually bravo to you. Like coming up with a fantasy that a male a man would definitely genuinely be compelled by. I found it compelling.
  • [30:04] Ally: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not common, I mean, but also, I don't know any Amish people. I'm not imagining a specific Amish person, you know, they're kind of just like faceless characters. It's more about how does this come about? Like, how do they tell me that this is what they need? Like, how do I fulfill this? E How
  • [30:08] Mike: do they How do they tell you and how do you fulfill it?
  • [30:15] Ally: Um, I think like during Amish meeting, like one of them pulls me aside and like, lays out this plan
  • [30:17] Mike: of what,
  • [30:18] Ally: um,
  • [30:20] Ally: of like
  • [30:42] Ally: that I don't know either. Like, they're her husband died or is like, a way in a war or something. And she needs me. Thio come over that night, um, and fulfill, like, God's plan for her. You know, it doesn't have to be super plausible and obviously like in my head, I'm not sort of narrating this I'm or just thinking about it. But
  • [30:43] Ally: ah,
  • [30:49] Mike: so it's so at core. This is like a need to be desired or something right, which is a very male. I mean, men
  • [30:54] Mike: being the less attractive sex, uh, often have a desire to be
  • [30:57] Mike: desired and that's what you're sort of describing. There is like,
  • [31:07] Ally: yeah, and almost like against their better judgment. You know, we're like against what would normally happen like they're just compelled by, you know, this desire and like
  • [31:14] Mike: so, I mean, not to psychoanalyze too much here, but that's a little odd to me, because I would know, setting aside the
  • [31:34] Mike: interest in pretending you're a guy here for a second. Um, isn't like a typical female experience, like, sort of the everyone desires you like you get on the subway train and there's all these guys undressing you with their eyes, just this constant sort of male attention. And so it actually genuinely surprises me a little that as a woman, you would have,
  • [31:39] Mike: um, you know, have a fantasy like that to be desired in that way.
  • [31:46] Ally: Oh, well, I don't think that that's a universal female experience. I mean, you guys have both met me like I'm not
  • [32:03] Ally: hideous, but I'm also not like somebody who fits into Keith's sort of attractiveness profile like I'm not a 20 year old Asian woman or something. So I don't You know, I don't experience that when I go on the subway. I don't think that people are undressing me, right? Sure.
  • [32:05] Ally: Uh huh.
  • [32:08] Mike: Little do we know that Keith's actual fantasy is to be a 20 year old Asian woman?
  • [32:13] Keith: E only. Okay, so that's
  • [32:33] Mike: interesting. So, in your life, broadly speaking. And I mean, at one point in your life, you were 20. Uh, you have not experienced sort of the mail kind of aggressiveness, like being hit on all the time, that kind of stuff. Like you're saying that generally, for whatever reason, maybe the way you dress maybe the way you behave so forth, you know, that just isn't something that you've experienced that much.
  • [32:52] Ally: Yeah. I mean, I've been hit on and like, I've had, obviously, you know, ah, variety and number of sexual experiences. But no, I don't experience. It is constant. Um, it's always sort of surprising to me. I mean, this goes along with, like, I've never been harassed at work or anything. Like, I think I don't fall into that tier of attractiveness where men go out of
  • [32:57] Keith: their you think? Do you think it's possible you're not reading situations properly?
  • [32:59] Ally: That's definitely possible
  • [33:08] Mike: with Keith on that. I agree, because I think that, like, uh, I think you'd be surprised the amount of male attention that's out there.
  • [33:10] Keith: Okay.
  • [33:13] Keith: Yeah. Yeah, I think so, too.
  • [33:14] Keith: Um,
  • [33:22] Mike: there was something we were talking about the when I sidetracked it on her on her fantasy. When I wanted to drill into her little, little Rodica, I
  • [33:23] Ally: mean, I wanted I wanted
  • [33:31] Keith: to dig deeper into, like, discreet orgasms versus these waves, so I don't Okay.
  • [33:32] Keith: All right.
  • [33:40] Keith: Are you Ali? Are you often multi orgasmic during sexual experiences, or is it sort of a one and done thing or or none And done thing
  • [33:44] Ally: mostly. Either one and done or none. And done.
  • [33:48] Keith: Okay. Is it ever multiple,
  • [33:50] Keith: or has it ever been?
  • [33:57] Ally: Um, you know, I feel like there have been a handful of times when I've had to, but it's never been like to head, you know.
  • [33:58] Keith: Okay, so that feels
  • [34:11] Mike: completely believable to me. By the way, this is This is the experience. I feel like when I drill into these experiences with women. This is sort of what you get to Is the nun one or maybe two? Yeah. Sounds very normal to me
  • [34:14] Keith: after the first one.
  • [34:16] Keith: What
  • [34:24] Keith: Okay, let's say this guy. Look, I don't know what it is that brings you to orgasm, but let's say you were brought to orgasm by some guy jackhammering Ugh!
  • [34:28] Keith: Immediately after you are thinking that's impossible.
  • [34:29] Keith: Yeah,
  • [34:31] Mike: right. That's why you laughed, right?
  • [34:35] Ally: Yeah, but, I mean, I'm really getting along with your scenario, like
  • [34:39] Keith: you, because he thinks he issue Keith. Keith is
  • [34:46] Mike: one of these guys who thinks that that works. And Keith, by the way, has never had sex with a woman who didn't orgasm at least once.
  • [34:49] Keith: Interesting. At least five times s
  • [34:50] Ally: o r. Occasionally
  • [34:56] Keith: true. It's not true. There was a threat already today about how, like, awful jackhammering is, um,
  • [35:10] Ally: have occasionally orgasm just from, like Penis and vagina intercourse. But it's also been like, ah, handful of times, like, maybe that has happened, you know, 10 or something times. Most of the time it's through stimulation with, like, my finger or his finger.
  • [35:17] Mike: Okay? And it sounds like you prefer that to, like, say, Orel from the guy you're you mentioned earlier really liking the feel of the Penis in you?
  • [35:24] Ally: Yeah. So I have almost the female version of keys thing, which is that I don't like guys going down on me. It feels like to vulnerable.
  • [35:33] Ally: I also feel like the tongue is not like the tongue doesn't deliver the right kind of pressure. Maybe just because I'm used to the finger, but like, the tongue is too soft. Don't know
  • [35:35] Mike: to your your finger not hiss
  • [35:40] Ally: either my finger or hiss. Yeah, those air pretty much equal. I prefer, You know,
  • [35:42] Ally: I prefer a finger. Doesn't matter if it's minor. Hiss like
  • [35:45] Keith: Interesting. Okay.
  • [35:54] Keith: Okay. So this guy is, um, flicking the bean, as they say, And you just had an orgasm.
  • [35:57] Keith: How long until,
  • [36:00] Keith: like, is there a female refractory period?
  • [36:13] Ally: So immediately after you come? It's very sensitive to the extent of, like, I don't wanna be touched. It feels like ticklish, but in a bad way, you know, like very, very sensitive. So I feel like if that's if that's what you're saying is the refractory period like, Yeah, you have to wait.
  • [36:17] Keith: How long does this last like? Like what? Zander,
  • [36:30] Ally: like, 30 seconds or a minute before you would even want to start touching it again. And then, like when you start touching it again. You still have to build up again. So that could take, like, another minute or two to build up again,
  • [36:31] Keith: right? Okay. All right. Do you think
  • [36:37] Mike: you could have A Nor Gaz, um, while saying the pledge of allegiance without us knowing that you had an orgasm?
  • [36:39] Ally: Um,
  • [36:41] Ally: maybe
  • [36:46] Mike: So you're able tohave avoid making any involuntary sounds during sex.
  • [36:53] Ally: Yes. I mean, if I have to, like, consciously choose to not make sounds, but I am capable of doing that.
  • [37:02] Ally: I think the pledge of allegiance would probably be fine, because that's not distracting. I don't think that I could be like reading a Wikipedia page out loud or something that would I think that'll be too distracting and the like.
  • [37:05] Keith: A pledge of allegiance is not distracting because it's
  • [37:12] Ally: it's more road like like it's memorized. It's not in my like conscious e, remember? Yeah again.
  • [37:13] Keith: I mean, we told me that we could have
  • [37:20] Mike: her try it. Maybe we could. Eric won't do it. So maybe we could get Allie Thio to do this for us and see if we could discern anyway sidetracked us going
  • [37:23] Keith: through this new obsession of yours, Mike is I just
  • [37:27] Mike: I'm interested in this silent orgasms everybody's having. Yeah, I
  • [37:29] Keith: guess.
  • [37:42] Keith: I guess we're weird. I don't It's not like a go ahead. Yeah, it's not that I can't do one that's relatively quiet. It's that, like, I just think you'd be able to see, like on my face or here
  • [37:44] Keith: in my breathing like it's just not
  • [37:46] Mike: yes,
  • [37:52] Mike: eso The refractory period we establish is like a minute or two that we're going to.
  • [37:53] Ally: Yeah,
  • [38:01] Ally: like 30 seconds to a minute before you would be able to stand being touched again. And then, like a minute or two before you could come again from, like, starting to be touched again.
  • [38:19] Mike: Ali, you've let the podcast Have you heard my theory on this about? I mean, basically, my view is that your experience is sort of normal. And when women claim to have no refractory period and have zillions of orgasms in a row, I'm still deeply suspicious that the women don't. These women are confused about what an orgasm is. That's my deep suspicion.
  • [38:28] Ally: Yeah, that's possible. And maybe there's some how less sensitive than I am. So they're fine with being touched throughout. Um,
  • [38:31] Mike: you're so politically correct. You should just join my team and
  • [38:34] Keith: Oh,
  • [38:38] Keith: yeah. I mean, okay. All right, hold on. But
  • [38:41] Keith: so after this refractory period,
  • [38:46] Keith: uh, it is possible to build back up to a second orgasm,
  • [38:55] Keith: But is it difficult? Because it's now more sensitive, or it's harder to, like, build like, Yeah, Like what makes it more difficult to the second time.
  • [39:02] Ally: Oh, I don't think it's more difficult the second time. I think it z easier the second time. Like I think the build up takes a shorter amount of time.
  • [39:04] Keith: Less foreplay is required.
  • [39:05] Ally: Yeah.
  • [39:18] Ally: I just think that after two I mean, like, you start to feel like, Okay, Like I'm ready. Thio, get up and take a shower like E today, right? I don't wanna be orgasm ing for an hour like I'm a busy person.
  • [39:29] Keith: Well, maybe this is a good time to bring this up. So, like you put on our little spreadsheet here today that I claim to have beat off four times in a day
  • [39:31] Keith: I did recently. Yeah. Yeah,
  • [39:38] Keith: I haven't. I haven't update I have a new I don't know. I don't know if that was a record that was That was definitely a local of recent record.
  • [39:41] Mike: I'm sure your record was when you were 16 or something to go on.
  • [39:47] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I couldn't even count that high. I have to use, like, scientific notation. Um,
  • [40:04] Keith: let's see. Ah, few days ago. Specify when, um I had I masturbated six times in a 24 hour period. So once at, like, 11. 45 at night. And that's 55 times the next day before 11. 45.
  • [40:35] Mike: And what's the Okay? So, I mean, Ali, I thought you said a really good point about, like, not having anything better to dio or, you know, hey, I got to go do stuff. I mean, I'm assuming that you had better things to do, so we'll just give you a pass on that. But what was this just just to break a record? Or was there like, an actual need? And also, there's a thing. I mean, I'm sort of interested in alleys. Take on this to like, as a man. My experience has been that, like when you get to, like, say, number three, whether it's by yourself or with someone else like, it starts to like, take a little, like, Doesn't feel that good like the blood vessels. And I'm curious about a woman's experience, whether that's true too. But e I mean, I'm curious about your
  • [40:40] Keith: experience. Yeah, I mean, I was sort of going there with Ali. Okay. All right. I'll give you a chance to talk in a second, but yeah, it
  • [40:57] Ally: seems like from what you're describing, it was not five times in a row, which I imagine makes a lot of times throughout the course of the day. So I mean, I think my record, and then throughout the course of a day is three. But that would be like in the morning. And then, like in the afternoon and then at night, uh,
  • [41:07] Keith: start aching for you like, does something get painful or raw or like, is the third one like, Yeah, like, why is the third one not as good as the first? Or maybe it's not.
  • [41:10] Ally: It does not start Thio, take, um
  • [41:16] Ally: And I guess the third one is probably equally
  • [41:21] Ally: as good as the first, because again, they're separated by Okay, so why
  • [41:28] Keith: not? Why not? Why not? You know, chop to two hours off in the in between periods of each of those and go for four
  • [41:33] Keith: e stuff or 14 or whatever.
  • [41:40] Ally: I think it doesn't. It doesn't occur to me to masturbate unless I'm aroused. So I guess I would say, like, just, you know, I was at work and nothing aroused me, and
  • [41:47] Keith: okay, definitely occurs to me to masturbate when I'm not aroused. Like it's something to dio when I'm bored.
  • [41:49] Ally: Oh, Okay.
  • [41:55] Mike: Uh, just to be clear, Ali, you meant that when you're at work, you're not aroused. Not that you masturbated work.
  • [42:09] Ally: No, right that I right when I was at work that nothing was arousing me or just, you know, whatever I was doing and those in between periods, nothing was arousing, I guess if you were to, like, show up every hour with something arousing like maybe I would but eso
  • [42:21] Mike: for I mean, this is a genuine, I think, gender difference that, like the there is a thing that for a man like it becomes uncomfortable, right? I mean, like it becomes and a little surprised you were able to make it. What did you say your number was, Keith? 56
  • [42:27] Keith: Yeah. I mean, It's really five in a in a single sleep,
  • [43:05] Mike: right? So that's it. That is actually like There's there's like a There's like part of the plumbing in their starts to hurt like it's not like you've rubbed yourself raw. It's not that it's something sort of in your pelvis in there where, like, I'm not sure what it is, but like, it just doesn't. And then when you actually nut orgasm, e feel a little self conscious saying the kind of weird words for that stuff in front of a woman, a lovely lady. But, uh, you know, you just a load. Uh, it actually can hurt like it doesn't feel is good like this. So, like when you get like three or four like you're like man, you feel like you're more just performing for someone on that level.
  • [43:09] Ally: Interesting e don't experience anything like that.
  • [43:22] Ally: I think that aroused, although is also for most women, I would assume tied to where you are in your menstrual cycle, where your hormones are like I feel like it's easier for me to get aroused right after my period has ended.
  • [43:29] Ally: Well, I don't I don't actually think that's when it is. I don't know. For me, that's not what it is. It's like the week after my period has ended is the most.
  • [43:29] Ally: Keith
  • [43:33] Mike: is not so up on the cycle. So keep
  • [43:37] Keith: a greater hold on.
  • [43:43] Keith: I've read numerous times that women are at their horniest while they're ovulating. Or like right before. That's right on
  • [43:52] Mike: Ovulation is not when you think it is. It's like if if the if the new moon is menstruation than the full moon is ovulation.
  • [43:54] Keith: I mean, halfway in between.
  • [43:56] Keith: Sort of. Yeah, yeah,
  • [43:57] Keith: yeah,
  • [44:03] Keith: yeah. We're on the same page here. Okay? No, but she was It's right. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's just in
  • [44:05] Mike: the week after. So it's, like, actually earlier in the
  • [44:26] Keith: Brexit. Explain this to each other for about 30 seconds. S u start menstruating like five days goes by. You finished? Sometimes it's seven for some people, sometimes three. Whatever. All right, five days go by and then a week after. That would be 12 days since you started menstruating, which might be when you're ovulating, which corroborates what Ali said. Right. You said a week after
  • [44:37] Ally: for about for the week, right after my period stops so correct. Like starting, I guess six days after my period ended and going Thio, you know, whatever. 14, 15 days.
  • [44:40] Keith: Okay, I think we're all
  • [44:45] Keith: you were saying about thinking. Yeah, right. Okay, here's my
  • [44:48] Mike: fertility. I don't know. Going. Yeah,
  • [45:09] Keith: here's my question. OK, so All right. So it's in, like, whatever the peak of your of your monthly, you know, horn illnesses. And you have nothing to do that day. And you've just bought, like, you know, seven Gothic romance novels from the Czech violin target. And you're you know, it's It's the humidity is right. Um,
  • [45:28] Keith: how many times, you know, and somebody says, you know, I'm going to give you, you know, $15,000 for every incremental orgasm you have today, my lord. Oh, no, you're wrong. Incentive. I'm trying. I'd like I want to figure out what the upper limit is here.
  • [45:29] Mike: Probably really high.
  • [45:33] Ally: Yeah. I don't know. I feel like I mean, for $15,000 I feel like I try to do like,
  • [45:36] Ally: five an hour. I don't know, like eso a man couldn't do
  • [45:40] Keith: that right. Like there's some
  • [45:45] Keith: you know, there's some amount after which it's just not really possible. Well,
  • [45:58] Mike: a key difference here, though, Keith, is that she doesn't know that she can do that either. I mean, she she said her Max is three now. The reason you and I know that a man can't do that is let's just be honest years because we've tried.
  • [46:07] Keith: That's right. That's right. Exactly. Some of them. Some of us have tried more recently than others, but yeah, I tried. I remember
  • [46:27] Mike: specifically in high school being like, huh? I wonder how many times I could do this. And I don't know. I remember the number, but I do remember having that thought and then carrying it out like that was what I That's what I did that day. I'm sure. I'm sure it was a decent number. I have a feeling that beat your number. Keep your recent number. I'm sure. Back then, you
  • [46:30] Keith: know, like, yeah, 17 or whatever. Yeah,
  • [46:32] Mike: exactly.
  • [46:48] Mike: Eso I suspect that a woman would have the same thing. Of course you could have a woman then. Then you get into the territory of faking on. Did you probably lose a lot of money to that? Because you wind up in some politically charged debate over whether orgasm seven was really right.
  • [47:02] Ally: Yeah, I mean, when they study this in a lab, I feel like they have someone in an Emory machine and they have some type of probe or something in the vagina to measure contractions. And I feel like they have, you know, a standard definition for what orgasm is,
  • [47:07] Ally: which might not correlate perfectly with everybody's experience. But at least that's probably closest to what I
  • [47:09] Ally: yeah, I think
  • [47:11] Keith: I think the issue is
  • [47:16] Keith: There are some people that contest that that's not measuring certain kinds of organisms.
  • [47:23] Mike: Exactly. There's a people would debate whether the rhythmic contractions and so forth are actually the definition.
  • [47:31] Keith: Like, I think everyone agree, would agree that those are orgasms. But there's like some other, like this person riding the wave like
  • [47:39] Mike: yeah, to me, that's just like a guy that that weird guy we talked about a couple weeks ago on the couch edging with is something of his butt or something.
  • [47:50] Ally: Maybe the problem is that that person just doesn't have additional vocabulary to describe things that feel really good but aren't in orgasms. They're just say exactly. It was orgasmic
  • [48:03] Mike: but it frustrates men because we like to be very specific about this, because orgasm as a man is like the Senate, one of the maybe not the center of our lives. But it's one of the key senator, wouldn't you say Keith?
  • [48:06] Keith: So, yeah, I like having them. Well, it's also like,
  • [48:11] Mike: really, it's really important. So we like to sit around and, like, figure out what is and is not this thing that's so important to us, right?
  • [48:12] Ally: Well, no, I know, but it sounds like
  • [48:18] Keith: alleys. Experience is fairly analogous to ours. It's exactly
  • [48:28] Mike: my experience when I've talked to women very frequently. You have this, uh, description that sounds very and like, even frankly, the refractory period she described.
  • [48:41] Mike: Okay, if you get to orgasm number seven, it would be different for a man. But for number two and three, it's about the same. Like I mean, give you three minutes, five minutes, whatever. And then it would Yeah, you'd start to be ableto be aroused again. You have to start from the beginning like basically everything. The
  • [48:41] Ally: only thing
  • [48:46] Mike: she said that would be different for a man is I think it would take longer the 2nd and 3rd times.
  • [48:49] Mike: It would not be faster. Mhm.
  • [48:51] Keith: Yeah, that's right.
  • [49:12] Keith: Um, okay, I have another question. Uh, this person on Reddit asked, Is anyone else insecure of soft nipples? I'm insecure about showing them When? Not hard. Does this happen to others as well? Well, getting piercings out with this or those fake ones I don't know what she means by I don't think she means breast enlargement. I think she's talking about
  • [49:14] Keith: nothing. Fake
  • [49:19] Ally: piercings, like a magnetic piercing. Like, you know, you can have a magnetic hearing or something.
  • [49:20] Ally: Um
  • [49:21] Mike: oh, I get it.
  • [49:24] Keith: Yeah, sure. I think you're right. Yes. Okay.
  • [49:26] Keith: Ah,
  • [49:27] Keith: right.
  • [49:31] Keith: This is something that you've ever felt insecure about.
  • [49:32] Ally: No, uh,
  • [49:36] Mike: her heart. Her heart is diamonds. Uh,
  • [49:47] Ally: my first thought is that probably like when you they're exposed to air. It's colder than being all snug in your shirt, and they're going to get hard. Anyway, um, is that a
  • [49:54] Keith: universal eso alley? You can only know for yourself. And, like, maybe, you know, choice set of friends. Um,
  • [50:00] Mike: well, Ali also has the proverbial access to the women's locker room, so she's seen probably a lot of women topless.
  • [50:05] Keith: My understanding is that women in women's locker rooms or a lot more modest than men in men's locker
  • [50:07] Mike: I've heard
  • [50:17] Mike: there's something I have researched. I've view it is like incumbent upon me as a man to research it, and I've heard theocracy it in many cases that their women who just out there showing it all
  • [50:28] Ally: I've certainly seen naked women. I've seen naked women in women's locker rooms. I would not say it's like 100% of women in the locker room were like walking around naked. But maybe, I don't know, half or 30% or something that
  • [50:50] Mike: could be a fantasy of yours like you could you could have a fantasy. No, seriously, think about this fantasy, so maybe you could try this later. Eso you're its's one locker room where this one guy where they want this guy to come in and have sex with all of them, right there waiting for you and you get to be the guy who like, instead of calling the police, they're like we were waiting for
  • [51:02] Keith: you audio, which is definitely which would what happened 100% of the time. If you haven't tried Thio off course, I'll give
  • [51:12] Ally: that some thought like, Yeah, from what I've seen most, most women, their nipples do get hard when exposed. I'm not saying that's all of them. I don't remember, but
  • [51:19] Ally: I've also never looked at a woman's breasts and thought like, Oh, God, her nipples, Air soft. I'm disgusted like I don't think that's
  • [51:25] Ally: gonna happen for yourself. I don't know. I don't know what I
  • [51:39] Keith: would think. I mean, I definitely I mean normally if a girl has soft nipples, if you just like touch them a little bit, they quickly changes mhm like it's not.
  • [51:43] Keith: Yeah, it's like a state. It's not. It's it's a mutable state. Yeah,
  • [51:53] Mike: well, maybe this particular lady has some problem. I mean, it could Yeah, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that she has, like, lack of nerve response there something, but it's
  • [52:02] Mike: Yeah, it's not. It's there's like a bunch of these things that go into this category of, like, if a guy is complaining about that, then you've got some other problems. Yeah,
  • [52:09] Ally: I'm surprised. I'm surprised she went immediately to nipple piercings, which seems like something that a much more confident woman would
  • [52:12] Keith: Yeah, that seems like a sledgehammer approach to
  • [52:18] Ally: Yeah. I mean, I think that would work. I think when your nipples were pierced, they kind of have to be
  • [52:19] Ally: mostly Well,
  • [52:23] Keith: it definitely it it pulls them out of their home a little bit. Uh,
  • [52:28] Mike: I mean, the only thing that you should be doing here is trying to figure out from her comment if her nipples were pierced. Keith,
  • [52:30] Mike: that's what I was doing.
  • [52:37] Mike: Well, I was just, like, immediately put my detective hat on, got up my pipe, and I was thinking to myself Now, for those words,
  • [52:41] Ally: wait a minute. You know,
  • [52:48] Mike: I was just I was just parsing every word you said. I think. Like I imagine. E imagine I'm like, Is she being cagey?
  • [52:57] Keith: I imagine this because I know for sure. Yeah. This person also says that when her nipples air harder, it makes her aerial a smaller.
  • [52:59] Keith: I had never
  • [53:01] Keith: Is that true?
  • [53:03] Mike: Don't they sort of, like, bunch up? Maybe in
  • [53:08] Ally: perceptive, Because it does. Yeah. A little
  • [53:11] Ally: e a lot
  • [53:21] Ally: if you imagine, like, a flat circle of fabric. And then now you're, like, you know, pinching. You push something. Yeah, that does make the diameter smaller. So sure, Yeah.
  • [53:24] Mike: I mean, even as a man, I could say that that happens to me.
  • [53:30] Mike: They have never measured it, but it's pretty obvious that if I'm cold, it's sort of shrinks. A lot of things shrink on a
  • [53:32] Keith: man looking right now
  • [53:35] Keith: on Uh
  • [53:44] Keith: huh e they they're the hardness is not change. So I can't comment on whether there's a change in diameter. You
  • [53:50] Mike: could sort of lightly blow on them or get a nice cube. E could do a time lapse video
  • [53:54] Mike: if you were a woman, if we had a lot
  • [54:07] Keith: more compelling. Yeah, that's OK. We all agree. Next episode. I just can't imagine. Okay, so this person's sensitive about both the size of her aerial and whether yeah, she's just a little bit insecure. That's that's what's going on.
  • [54:09] Keith: That's what's going on there.
  • [54:10] Keith: Um,
  • [54:17] Mike: she moved onto the next one. Keith, this next one's really good. Which one? Which, which one girl says she's about to come. I have something to say about that.
  • [54:20] Keith: Uh oh, right. Yeah,
  • [54:23] Keith: yeah, We could have
  • [54:55] Keith: brushed on this earlier, but we'll do it now. Okay, Alright. P s A for guys. I mean public service announcement. When a girl says she is about to come, you have to keep doing exactly what you're doing. Nothing frustrates me more than when I'm about to orgasm, and the guy starts jackhammering see or slowing down to a stop or worse, ending penetration altogether to suck my clit. When the latter happened to me, I actually yelled at him. It's almost like they automatically think they need to stall my orgasm like we stall. There's That's not what's going on. If that's not it, why do you guys do that? Thoughts. Okay, I have thoughts, but go ahead, Mike.
  • [55:05] Mike: Well, the thing that I just from the description you have here of it, like in porn, because that's, you know, my primary reference point. Um,
  • [55:16] Mike: when a woman announces she's going to orgasm, it guaranteed to me means that she's not having an orgasm. Do you ever announce in real life Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna come. Is that a thing, woman?
  • [55:26] Ally: No, I never have done that. Like, if you know, if I'm moaning or something. Probably that, like, intensity of moans, increases or something. But I've never said that
  • [55:41] Keith: But do you not mention it because you've been traumatized in the past by mentioning it and have them change their behavior? Like, are you discouraged from mentioning it? Because you're like, No, no, no. Yeah, like you.
  • [55:52] Ally: I don't feel like there's a need to broadcast. I mean, I know men do that, and I feel like, you know, the first time that I heard that I thought it was kind of funny, Like, Dude, I will find out, like, as soon as you come all. No, you don't have to warn me like
  • [55:54] Mike: you know what they do, right?
  • [56:07] Ally: E, I don't really know why they do, because, like after the first encounter, you probably established like, is it okay for you to come inside me or not? And at that point, it's like, Well, why are you telling me? E don't know.
  • [56:24] Mike: Oh, no. Well, it's It's much more important. Well, okay, that's important, too. But it's usually this this is going on in the context of Orel, which often is the first sexual contact between people and the woman. Isn't that excited about a surprise explosion which you might think is impossible. But then we find out that they're people who could read the
  • [56:31] Mike: Pledge of Allegiance and orgasm at the same time. And so evidently, guys could just It's gonna just be a surprise, right?
  • [56:36] Keith: Okay, So you think they're announcing it as a as a matter of courtesy?
  • [56:49] Mike: Absolutely. And women on the sex Reddit subreddit, uh, often ask, sort of say things about, you know? Hey, it sucks when guys don't announce it. And so I think guys were sort of trained. Look, here's the deal, Ali. Like when guys masturbate. We don't, like, announce
  • [56:52] Ally: to the room. Yeah,
  • [57:03] Mike: the room. Just in case you all wanted to know. Here it comes. E. Assume you don't You don't do that, right? I do not. No, you don't. You don't? You don't announce it to the paper towel trail on your
  • [57:14] Keith: table. Yeah. Here it comes, guys. One monitor to embrace yourselves. County. Um,
  • [57:20] Keith: no, I think also, Mike, people might and Ali, they might announce it because there
  • [57:24] Keith: I don't know that. Yeah, maybe asking for permission. In a way,
  • [57:30] Mike: it's a light form of dirty talk to what it never occurs to you to, like, Say something at that. Like
  • [57:45] Mike: I mean it makes sense to me that I know from personal experience women don't announce it, which is why I view it is like the hallmark of a fake orgasm in porn. But like now, it doesn't seem at all erotic to you that you would say something Or is it that you're too lost in the moment? Like, what's the deal there?
  • [57:49] Ally: Sometimes I'll say their name or say, like, you know, God or something, but, um, it's never occurred to me
  • [57:52] Mike: their name, right? I mean, are you worried about getting the name wrong?
  • [58:04] Keith: No. E remember the face that she could remember? The name E got the wrong one. It was terrible. Yeah, I'm sure that doesn't go well, e
  • [58:08] Ally: guess if I had any question about that, I would not say the name, but usually it
  • [58:13] Keith: z e on. And then it ends badly. Where
  • [58:16] Mike: some Amish Amish female names she could moan
  • [58:19] Ally: s e don't do that. Well,
  • [58:25] Keith: I only know male there's like, Jebediah And like what? This is the classic A That's a man.
  • [58:31] Keith: Yeah, I know. I don't know any I don't know any, um, like Mary Sue or something. Is that
  • [58:33] Keith: do they get married too?
  • [58:34] Ally: Yeah.
  • [58:41] Ally: So I don't say anything when masturbating. I would only say something when I have, like, a partner. And I want Teoh. I don't know.
  • [58:41] Ally: Say something. Have you
  • [58:44] Mike: ever considered moaning your own name while with a partner?
  • [58:52] Ally: No, that seems anti social. Almost. I don't know.
  • [59:02] Mike: Yeah, I feel like on the back of on the on the back of last week getting Eric to show us Umberg dirty talk. I should ask Ali to moan for us, but maybe that's a step too far.
  • [59:02] Mike: Yeah,
  • [59:07] Keith: that's well, yes, e I will answer that works.
  • [59:13] Ally: The problem is, that would just be me faking it. And as you have mentioned like, that's not
  • [59:14] Ally: that's satisfying. Well,
  • [59:16] Keith: there's that scene. Uh,
  • [59:21] Keith: and, uh, what's the movie with Billy Crystal and, uh,
  • [59:22] Keith: Meg Ryan
  • [59:23] Ally: when Harry met Sally?
  • [59:37] Keith: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, even though she's faking it still mildly compelling. Okay, I think it's kind of cool when the girl says she's going to come now. Mike, I know you're going toe. I know what you're thinking right now. You're thinking
  • [59:41] Keith: you're thinking 100% of the time that's happened, it's because they're faking
  • [59:44] Mike: Yes. And so is Ali, by the way.
  • [59:46] Keith: Oh,
  • [59:49] Keith: look, whatever
  • [60:00] Keith: I think. I think you guys just can't even like, imagine, like, the levels of pleasure that I am part on the people he has a actually, intellectualize has a
  • [60:09] Mike: preternaturally high percentage of women that he has had sex with who, uh, orgasm from Penis in vagina stimulation alone,
  • [60:19] Mike: which is a red flag on. And also Keith has a very strong he enjoyed. Let's just say Keith enjoys it when people like him.
  • [60:27] Ally: Yeah. So it's possible that Keith is like a magic. It's possible they're faking. I certainly have faked orgasms,
  • [60:42] Ally: like in the past, but mostly when it's with a guy who it's sort of insistent that you come. He's like, You know, I wanna make you come like, tell me when you come in something and you're like it, buddy, it's not gonna happen either. We're gonna, like, stop this and have a negotiation, or I'm gonna fake it so that you could, like, move on,
  • [60:57] Keith: right? Yeah, We had a topic a few weeks ago where this guy was like, Yeah. After six months, she finally like orgasm for the first time, and That's not what happened was he probably said something like,
  • [61:06] Keith: Yeah, we're not going to stop until you come And she's like, Okay, I'm coming, I'm coming back A, she tells, lasted
  • [61:09] Mike: for guys like if you watch porn
  • [61:21] Mike: basically effectively 100% of the orgasms and porn or fake And so like even guys who think they have a great deal of knowledge about this topic from watching on the Internet. Actually, no nothing. It's really you know, it's challenging for guys.
  • [61:27] Keith: Well, or maybe just the set up of the situation makes it very difficult for the woman like
  • [61:30] Mike: you mean in porn or in real life
  • [61:34] Keith: in porn, right? Like she's not able to.
  • [61:36] Keith: Although, although,
  • [61:42] Keith: you know, on the other hand, 100% of male orgasm you see are pretty obviously riel
  • [61:44] Mike: Well, sometimes they have a little tube that
  • [61:51] Keith: Yeah, they do, apparently. Yeah. Yeah. Eric mentioned that last week. I didn't know that was the thing. Sometimes they have a stunt cock and that kind of stuff, but
  • [61:53] Keith: someone's having an orgasm. Now. That is the
  • [61:56] Mike: job. I could go for being the stunt cock.
  • [62:04] Mike: Yeah, that that's actually another You could have alley that you're the You're the stunt cock they call in.
  • [62:07] Mike: Right? That's probably not I wouldn't work for you.
  • [62:09] Ally: Um,
  • [62:18] Ally: no, I don't know. It seems like a yeah. Like to transactional. I'm again at work, which we established, just not arousing. But
  • [62:32] Keith: do they do this? Do they have, like, a Google car with, like, 17 different camera angles s so that they can use the same come shot in, You know, different clips, or how does that? How does that go down? Who knows?
  • [62:34] Keith: Do you guys
  • [62:36] Keith: have anything else you want to say?
  • [62:37] Keith: No, I'm good.
  • [62:39] Ally: No. Yeah. This is fun.
  • [62:55] Keith: Okay. Yeah. Ali, thank you very much for coming on. You have been by far. Well, you ah, person with a vagina has been by far are most requested things. So thank you for finally obliging our legions of fans,
  • [62:58] Ally: Of course, have to keep the fans happy.
  • [63:11] Keith: So that will do it for Episode 22 of your mileage may vary. We are still paying $15 for feedback. I'm still begging for it, so please send that to y m m v pod at gmail dot com.