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Episode 25: Amazon Position, Sex Life Tracking, Adding Fingers To PIV, Wet Dreams

Team YMMV | 1-14-2021 | 1:01:17

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Keith is introduced to the Amazon position, where a man can more or less be treated like a woman, by a woman.

We discuss a Reddit user who went a little overboard in tracking his sex life. Is his wife telling the truth?

Is adding fingers during sex a good idea, or do things get a little too full? And what's the deal with wet dreams?

To follow along with the videos discussed at the beginning of the episode:

https://ymmv.me/25/amazon-position-1

https://ymmv.me/25/amazon-position-2

We get a lot of our questions from the Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/25/sex-life-tracking

https://ymmv.me/25/adding-fingers

https://ymmv.me/25/sleeping-orgasms

Episode Transcript

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  • [0:07] Keith: at 5.22 She had two hands around it. And at 705 I mean, her lips are on the base of his
  • [0:09] Mike: cock. That is impressive. And also and
  • [0:09] Keith: not just
  • [0:21] Mike: that. So I mean, she really deserves some credit here because right it. So you're talking less than two seconds and look at her eyes like they're not teared up. She's just looking at him. She's got the correct porn
  • [0:33] Mike: I pose. And yeah, because it's just it's a pretty impressive
  • [0:49] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary Your mileage may vary is a show that takes an often overly close and uninformed look at myriad matters pertaining to sex and relationships. My co host is the incomparable and incorrigible Incorrigible Mike. Hello, Mike. Hey,
  • [1:19] Keith: um, so we're going to start talking about sex shortly here, but first, please rate and review us on whatever podcast app you use. Or better still, tell a friend about us. Surely hell, appreciate this shining beacon of hope that this podcast brings to their life and will forever be in debt to you. You can also give us feedback at Y m M V pod at Gmail dot com or on Twitter at Y m m the pod. For those new to the show, we pay a whopping $15 to anyone who provides us feedback. So if you like easy money right to us,
  • [1:23] Keith: Okay, Mike, do you have some porn for me to watch?
  • [1:24] Keith: Yeah.
  • [1:52] Mike: So we've got a couple that are in a theme here. Um, and, uh, there it's a position that I suspect. Well, I'm interested in whether you have you enjoy watching this position. I'm almost certain that you don't do this position just because I have never done it either. And I think it's an unusual position. Um, so that with that warm up, I think we should just do it. And as usual, I will narrate, and we will post the links to these in the show notes so people can follow along if they like. Okay.
  • [1:57] Keith: All right. I'm gonna click in 321 now.
  • [2:11] Mike: Okay, So this is a woman on top of a man, and it looks she's in a position where it looks like she's the man she's sort of. He's got his legs pulled way back like a woman might. And she is actually, well, he's penetrating her, but she's sort of thrusting into him,
  • [2:23] Mike: and it's about 30 seconds long, But she's continually thrusting. You could see her breasts swaying nicely and his body sort of moving the way you would expect a woman's body to move. Um, okay, that's the end of
  • [2:28] Keith: it. OK? Do you want me to try to describe this position, or should we watch the next when we watch the
  • [2:31] Mike: next one and then we'll get back into it? The
  • [2:38] Keith: specifics exactly. All right, I'm clicking. Go on the next one in 321 Go.
  • [2:49] Mike: So the last one was from behind the woman, This is from the side and it's basically the same thing happened quickly. And then she pulled out and she deep throated him. And now he's Nutting in her throat, which looks,
  • [2:54] Mike: I mean, I'm not sure she's comfortable, but from his perspective, it's probably feeling pretty good.
  • [3:03] Mike: And then she slowly withdraws it pretty long Cock, right? Yeah, and she's stroking the last little bit out, and then it a loop e. I
  • [3:07] Keith: mean, she misses the first spurt. Um,
  • [3:11] Keith: but yeah, she's a champ for the rest. Okay.
  • [3:18] Mike: Yeah, Well, my first per was quite prodigious is well onto onto his manly white light.
  • [3:24] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right, let me try it. Okay, so he is on a couch.
  • [3:41] Keith: Uh, he is laying down on it. Um, but he's facing the sort of short way of the couch, so his his legs would be off the end of the couch if he were not holding them up with his arms. Like a like a woman often does. And sex. And then
  • [3:51] Keith: she's on top of him. But instead of her legs being over his legs like they usually are when a woman is on top, they are behind his legs, Sort of standing up.
  • [3:54] Keith: What is this disposition? Have a name.
  • [4:04] Mike: It does. It does eso Suffice it to say that you have. You've never done this position. I take it right on. And have you never seen this position in the porn?
  • [4:08] Keith: You know, Look, I don't want to say never, but I have never
  • [4:12] Keith: sort of consciously noticed it like this. This feels remarkable here.
  • [4:26] Mike: All right. Yeah. I mean, you could You could try to simulate this in your own life. This is called the Amazon position? Uh, on, uh, yeah, I mean, I ran across it when looking for some good content for today's show.
  • [4:34] Mike: Well, let me be clear about this. I re ran across that. I've been long been familiar with this position. Uh,
  • [4:51] Mike: well, yeah. I mean, I'm have a lot of detailed knowledge of these things. Um, but it's an uncommon position. I'm guessing that it's, uh not. It requires a certain degree of flexibility from the man on. It's a little odd because it's because, yeah, I mean, it's not usual for the man to
  • [4:54] Mike: have his legs up, like, kind of on his shoulders in that way.
  • [5:05] Mike: Um, it's kind of unusual feel for the guy and then, like his, his cock is sort of, like, angled down, right, Which I could imagine being uncomfortable. I, too, have never, you know, actually done this position in real life. So
  • [5:13] Keith: yeah, I would expect this would not feel is great for the woman because the angle of his Penis is pushing
  • [5:15] Keith: toward her,
  • [5:15] Keith: but
  • [5:18] Mike: more than toward her abdomen.
  • [5:27] Mike: Yeah. I mean, it would depend, right? I mean, in that angle, hang on a second, though, in that angle that means the top of it is sort of rubbing against the top of her.
  • [5:29] Mike: You know, the entrance tour vagina, which could be useful, right?
  • [5:41] Keith: Oh, you mean the Yes. Yeah, that's true. And also, she is able to control she is able to control, But I think it's hard for her to get clitoral stimulation by grinding. She can't get, like, low enough
  • [5:44] Keith: to sort of grind her clit on his pubic bone, for example. Here.
  • [5:47] Mike: Sure. Although I mean, you know,
  • [5:49] Mike: referring back to her
  • [6:03] Mike: previous as episodes and debates on this topic. I mean, women make all sorts of claims about different areas being sensitive and so like, Look, it's it's, you know, it's stimulating the top of the entrance And that could there could be women that get a lot out of that, right?
  • [6:04] Mike: Yeah.
  • [6:13] Keith: Yeah. I mean, okay, I can imagine this being compelling for both parties involved. I don't think, boy, the way he has his legs up like this,
  • [6:17] Keith: it does require some flexibility. I'm not sure
  • [6:23] Keith: not gonna try to do this right now. I am not sure that I have enough hip flexibility to
  • [6:29] Keith: our listeners. May not know this, but I run a lot, and so my hips are a little tight. I'm not sure
  • [6:33] Keith: I can actually do this, but I'm gonna add this to the to do list.
  • [6:43] Mike: Yeah, I mean, I think that as a man, if you try to do the solo, the problem is that by the time you got yourself into the position, I think many men would have lost their erection.
  • [7:02] Mike: Like it's like, there's your in this sort of like contortion. Yeah, well, not just that, but like it's It's like you. Yeah, you're like, you get yourself hard, you ready? And then you have to do all this complicated stuff with your body. And without a second person, I think it might be difficult to, like, actually do this in a useful way. Um, yeah,
  • [7:12] Keith: yeah, The weight of her body may help support pulling your legs back to so Yeah, I'm not sure Just attempting the solo. If I if I could say this positively whether or not this would work,
  • [7:17] Mike: does this seem like a porn style that you would masturbate, too?
  • [7:19] Keith: I mean,
  • [7:33] Keith: does this woman is is, uh, is compelling. I'm not saying woman it's not. Is it the same woman in both. Maybe it is is I didn't even notice that till now. It is all right? Yeah.
  • [7:34] Keith: Yeah,
  • [7:35] Keith: it is.
  • [7:37] Keith: Yeah, I recognize that. But,
  • [7:40] Keith: um
  • [7:48] Keith: okay, yes, I need to pause thes focus on the matter at hand. So, yeah, I mean, I got the last. The last thing to litigate here is to come shot.
  • [7:50] Keith: Ah,
  • [7:59] Keith: I don't know how much there is to say here. Yeah, I mean, she Yeah, he's coming. She jumps off. But yeah, she does. She misses the first spurt. But then
  • [8:03] Keith: how long do you think this man's Penis is?
  • [8:11] Mike: Oh, you're you're You're I mean, there's some subtext here that I can sense. Like you're You're feeling a little inadequate when you look at this. Is that what's going on?
  • [8:21] Keith: No, I'm curious. This man is definitely larger than me. Okay? But I think Well, how long do you think this man's Penis is? Let
  • [8:25] Mike: me get to a frame where I feel like I have it. So I think around where this is really making this.
  • [8:32] Keith: I have a freeze frame at 5.22 in the second. The second video. Okay, I don't know if you get to exactly there, but
  • [8:56] Mike: it's difficulty. Let's see. I think I can. So 5.21 Right. So this is this is a nice inaction shot you've got here, Keith. You've got I have 1234 blobs of semen, sort of in the air, raining down, right. This is like a military exercise or something with, like, grenades. Aaron Flight. And she's kind of half smiling her boobs. They're sort of swinging, and she's got her both. And she's in both hands, by the way she is.
  • [9:01] Keith: And there's still, like, even with both hands, there's, uh she's only using.
  • [9:06] Keith: Yeah. You're saying a few fingers air overlapped here, so it's not the full width of two hands, but
  • [9:12] Mike: right. I mean, you'd really have to look at the video, get the full image here but her. Yeah,
  • [9:21] Keith: I'm going to give you $10,000. If you can estimate within a half inch. You know how long it's gonna like? What? You What? What? What's your guess? I'm
  • [9:25] Mike: gonna guess like, seven. Maybe 87 or eight. Yeah,
  • [9:30] Keith: I think big because I have that half inch buffer. I would say 7.5. Yeah.
  • [9:31] Keith: Um,
  • [9:37] Keith: yeah. And I mean yeah. I mean, you can Yeah, he's already a little bit soft
  • [9:40] Keith: because of these things. Like first spurt and a half.
  • [9:44] Mike: Her ability, though, to take the sort of, um,
  • [9:46] Mike: sort of
  • [9:48] Mike: activated fire hose down her throat is
  • [10:01] Keith: pretty. I'm frozen at 7.5 now, And, you know, as I said it at 5.22 she had two hands around it. And at 705 I mean, her lips are on the base of his
  • [10:03] Mike: cock. That is impressive. And also, and
  • [10:03] Keith: not just
  • [10:15] Mike: that. So I mean, she really deserves some credit here because, right, so you're talking less than two seconds and look at her eyes like they're not teared up. She's just looking at him. She's got the correct porn
  • [10:21] Mike: I pose. And yeah, this is just It's a pretty impressive ability. I think that like,
  • [10:33] Mike: um, yeah, a couple seconds later, she sort of blinks. It's obviously a little uncomfortable, but like, yeah, I mean, like, um like, is it safe to say, Keith, that if you were with a woman who had this ability
  • [10:40] Mike: that that might make some sort of difference in your in the longevity or your commitment to the relationship.
  • [10:44] Keith: Yeah. I mean, this is this is a compelling
  • [10:45] Keith: ah,
  • [10:52] Mike: display. Yeah, well, but particularly, like the sort of insta deep throat and well, and she's just
  • [10:57] Keith: so eager and yeah, there's Yeah, Yeah.
  • [11:14] Keith: All right. Well, for our audience at home, you could watch these videos. They're linked Thio in the show notes. Um, so I have a bunch of topics from Reddit here. Um, I think one of more interesting ones was this data science guy who?
  • [11:35] Keith: Uh well, here's what he says. We male female couple had lots of fun tracking our sex life through 2020 including positions and orgasms. We posted the data results in r slash data is beautiful, which is the subreddit for nice visualizations of data. It would love your feedback on our sex life, including suggestions for 2021.
  • [11:45] Keith: There's a couple other relevant things here. So he says we have been happily married for 17 years with a few kids a few on we are now in our late thirties.
  • [11:54] Keith: We decided to add variety to our sex life by tracking our sex sessions and Google sheets Each time we recorded the time of day what positions we used, How many times we orgasm and what toys
  • [11:56] Mike: we used.
  • [12:10] Mike: Okay. Have you seen like, Yeah. And again, this one will be on the show Notes. Well, we always post the reddit links that we follow so people can come look, because there is a lot of data here. Like we could go through some of it. But like, this guy this guy recorded
  • [12:14] Mike: just in insane amount of data about his His his
  • [12:20] Mike: Yeah, his sex life. Pretty pretty good sex life given. He said he had three kids. Is that right?
  • [12:26] Keith: He said a few, which implies more than you. Yeah, He probably didn't want, you know, he doesn't want to get docks or something. I don't know.
  • [12:36] Mike: Well, you'd only get docked if you had, like, nine or something. Like it was enough. That unusual, but Okay, E I mean, what stands out to you, Keith? In the in the graphs and charts
  • [12:43] Keith: this guy's put together? Yeah, I'm not sure if we should start with the boring stuff, Then work up to the good thing or if we should. Okay.
  • [12:47] Keith: I think the thing that's most controversial here. Is
  • [12:56] Keith: he one of his charts? Here's how many times do we orgasm per session. And we have her Max and his Max, and we have her average in his average.
  • [13:00] Mike: I'd like I'd like to start off with with his number, So why don't you say those?
  • [13:06] Keith: Okay. All right. So his Max is one, and his average is 0.9.
  • [13:18] Mike: Right? So that that 0.9 that actually jumped out at me when I first saw this like that to me is just like straight male virtue. Signaling What's your take on that? You know what I'm saying, right?
  • [13:23] Keith: Yeah. I mean, we only get one decimal places here, so we don't know if it's
  • [13:29] Keith: 0.92 or 0.94 but
  • [13:36] Mike: we're assuming you're you went to four because you're assuming at 95 he would've rounded up the one on one. I'm not certain of that, Of course. Right.
  • [13:39] Keith: Well, because you think he may be virtue signaling here.
  • [13:41] Keith: I mean,
  • [13:43] Keith: is it
  • [13:51] Keith: so this is Yeah. So let's let's assume let's let's assume, for the sake of argument here that he orgasms nine out of 10 times.
  • [13:53] Keith: And he has exactly one orgasm.
  • [14:01] Keith: Yeah, I'm pretty surprised. Is Max isn't too right? Like one is
  • [14:05] Keith: like, That's not I mean, he's not certainly not virtue signaling there.
  • [14:08] Mike: Yeah. I mean, what do you think? Your ah,
  • [14:11] Mike: what do you think your max is, Keith? Or or your average?
  • [14:16] Keith: Depends how you define a signal. A single session.
  • [14:30] Mike: That's a good point. I mean, let's let's let's just like use, okay? You know, actually, I think that's easy to do because, like, let's let's assume that Let's I mean, the definition could be defined by her data. So why don't you Why don't you say what her data is? And then that will illuminate that side of the conversation.
  • [14:33] Keith: You're right. You're right. You're right. All right. So her Max is 10
  • [14:38] Keith: in her average. This is
  • [14:43] Keith: I mean, we know exactly how many times they have sex, because we could see he lists
  • [14:55] Keith: how many times they have sex in each month. And I'm just gonna go through this really quick. 889 12, 12, 777878 So that's you know, it's gonna be like nine times 12 on average. right.
  • [15:06] Keith: So they've had sex approximately, you know, 100 110 times. And her average number of orgasms is 3.8
  • [15:08] Keith: that.
  • [15:20] Mike: Are you trying to figure out how many orgasms she had per year? And and this is, you know, that's not any there, no solo ones. Although I'm not sure that so many that, like, I'm not sure she'd even have any sort of physical desire or need for any solo ones, right?
  • [15:31] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she's having around 400 orgasms, or that's the claim here should 400 organisms last year. Okay, honey. So that 2020 she had a pretty good one.
  • [15:32] Keith: Yeah,
  • [15:45] Mike: I think that, like the pandemic may have played a role in the increased density here, but so that that gives you an idea, I think. Of what? Of how he's defining a session, right? It's got to be long enough for her toe have, on average for and sometimes 10. Now
  • [15:56] Mike: there's there's a separate point we can debate here in a minute, but let's talk first about the 0.0.9. So I mean, that means that probably are the one with one of the 10.9, so that means that probably Ah, session, you know, is
  • [16:08] Mike: I'm thinking an hour or more. In some cases, uh, ordinary session for them is probably Well, I just don't know, like how long he doesn't. He doesn't tell us how long these sessions are, but for her to get up to 3.8 each time, like,
  • [16:28] Mike: yeah, that's sort of an interesting question. How long, But but still, like, it's long enough that a man could have two in. The question put to you was Okay, let's say that it's an hour is a typical session or 30 minutes between 30 minutes and an hour. What do you think your average would have been? Would it have been less than one or more than one for that duration of a session? I think it would be
  • [16:33] Keith: more than one, but it wouldn't be that much. It wouldn't be that much more than one.
  • [16:40] Keith: Okay. And what? Look, if I went through, like, an entire year of sexual of sexual
  • [16:52] Keith: sessions, there's probably a couple where I don't orgasm, but I almost always dio and it's almost always one. But sometimes it's too, And like in a year like three probably happens once or twice.
  • [16:57] Mike: Okay, so your average would be considerably higher than 0.9, actually would be above one.
  • [16:59] Keith: Well, to think your bike is that
  • [17:04] Keith: I feel like most men's average is going to be extremely tightly
  • [17:08] Keith: close toe one. It depends on the age a little bit, but
  • [17:18] Keith: most is gonna be close toe one, and then you don't need to go very far to get a standard deviation out. Right? So, like 1.5 point five might be a standard deviation,
  • [17:20] Mike: right? And I think that
  • [17:37] Mike: the I think that also it's it's common. I would I would guess that for most men, the average is slightly above one. It's either one identically or slightly above one, because the times when you don't are going to be eclipsed by the times that you do it twice. Would that be your take? A swell?
  • [17:43] Keith: That would be my take. I feel like median is e don't know, Maybe not,
  • [17:43] Keith: But
  • [17:46] Mike: the media is for sure one because, like
  • [17:59] Keith: every single every single man's medium is gonna be one right look, some people are going to write in, and they're gonna be like, Oh, you know I'm like this incredible market. Assad and I, you know, always have six orgasms and some
  • [18:14] Mike: you means the men are going to say that, right? And yeah, I just like to go until until there's just smoke coming coming out of the glass when there's just nothing and just just I just like to see my Penis contract with nothing coming out. It's so easy Cleanup,
  • [18:22] Keith: right? And I do that every time. And, you know, it's all about her. Yeah. Okay. Setting those weirdos aside, Um,
  • [18:25] Keith: sorry. Those those normal people, we don't way don't kick shit here.
  • [18:27] Mike: Their their listeners, which Yeah,
  • [18:31] Keith: yeah, yeah. We don't want to turn anyone off. Okay, so,
  • [18:40] Keith: yes. So his average is 0.9. Yeah. So your intuition here was that he was virtue, signaling that it's not all about him. So he's okay with not having an orgasm in its
  • [18:50] Mike: sexual, for sure. I mean, and the thing about that is like you said that, like every like in the last year, you've had a some number of but low number of instances where you didn't
  • [19:02] Mike: come. But the reason for that is, was it was it really to pleasure her. Was it just because you were tired? It was the latter. Yeah, right. Which of course, I always think like
  • [19:03] Mike: Dio
  • [19:05] Mike: Does she even want to have sex? Then if you're
  • [19:08] Keith: like women don't like it when you don't come.
  • [19:09] Mike: Yeah,
  • [19:14] Mike: Why don't you say more color for that? I don't know that That actually is something you've told me about before. And and it was
  • [19:23] Mike: because I have, I think less experience in my life with that than you. Uh, not because you're impotent or something, but because, like,
  • [19:49] Mike: uh, it's an overused situation. No, I think I think you just have No, I don't think it's that I think you have more surface area of being a ah, single man. You have more surface area of, like, situations that you get into. And so this has, you know, just is naturally gonna happen more like what? What is what is the what is the typical? Because I suspect many of our listeners don't know. Like, what is the typical female reaction when you when you're too tired or whatever, it's and I want to be clear here. It's not that you can't get it up
  • [19:59] Mike: uh, separate conversation. That would be fine, too, but were actually just talking about like, yeah, you're you're just not gonna finish because you've already noted a couple times or because you're just physically exhausted.
  • [20:08] Keith: Yeah. I mean, by far the most common thing is, you know, if orgasm to recently and it requires mawr something
  • [20:13] Keith: to get me over that edge. And, yeah, I'm just not going to get there. And so ah,
  • [20:27] Keith: you know, well, politely end the session, but yeah, I think women feel insecure when that happens. Right? Like of a woman's experience because of the numbers we just went through is that the man almost always comes.
  • [20:32] Keith: Um, maybe in their experience, always, literally, always. And so,
  • [20:48] Keith: yeah, when it it doesn't happen, It's sort of to be worldview challenging in a way that, like, Yeah, it makes sense to me that they get upset about it. I mean, it's not their fault. It's not about them. Ah, it's what could be there. But it's not you. It could
  • [20:56] Mike: No, I I have. I had a lady that I was with, uh, long ago. Uh, and she just
  • [20:58] Mike: didn't like
  • [21:21] Mike: the set of things. She was doing just wasn't gonna do it. And I For whatever reason, in this particular counter, I didn't feel like basically, just just like doing it myself. Like I was like, I didn't And I think we she's probably on her period or something. So we weren't having, you know, penetrative sex. And so I was like, Yeah, I mean, it was just so it actually, I want to say that it was her fault in that case. So it's possible it is possible.
  • [21:21] Mike: It
  • [21:23] Keith: is, Yeah.
  • [21:26] Keith: I don't know, Like if you've been with a man and, you know,
  • [21:30] Keith: he almost always orgasms like you just shouldn't
  • [21:34] Keith: don't overweight any single encounter. It's not
  • [21:39] Mike: right. Although you could understand it if you if you were tired. I mean,
  • [21:46] Mike: let's say that you had one of those sort of marathon masturbation sessions earlier in the day. And so it was for her.
  • [22:00] Mike: It was from her perspective. It was the first time for you that day I could see how that would be more upsetting thing if she knew. If she, you know, if you already noted twice with her, that's yeah, hard, easier to understand, right?
  • [22:06] Keith: Yeah. I mean, This is an annoying thing that comes up sometimes, Like I enjoy masturbating, and I am not.
  • [22:09] Keith: I think some people
  • [22:18] Keith: exclusively or most often masturbate in the evenings. But I am not like that. I am a morning person through and through. And so,
  • [22:23] Keith: yeah, like, sometimes, you know, maybe I'll masturbate once or twice in the morning, and then,
  • [22:27] Keith: you know, I'll get a text or a phone call and
  • [22:32] Keith: yeah, what am I supposed to do in that situation? It's like, All right, Well,
  • [22:35] Mike: you mean like a booty text or Booty phone call? Yeah,
  • [22:38] Mike: right. And you're And you're sort of like, Well, I've I've already unloaded.
  • [22:44] Keith: Yeah, but I don't think, you know, like, I don't really wanna convey that information.
  • [22:45] Keith: Maybe you
  • [22:46] Mike: should. Maybe you should be like
  • [22:50] Keith: I was just thinking that, Like, as we go through this
  • [23:02] Keith: Yeah, the problem. You just let you know. But then that might. But then they might even think that's a little bit pathetic, right? Like well, sure, but like, yeah, now it's me with my actual vagina. Like, shouldn't you be Well, that actually I was
  • [23:05] Mike: thinking a little differently. I was thinking that like
  • [23:32] Mike: It's presumptuous. Like it's like, if you like. This is sort of the thing is like, Yeah, it's like, Hey, uh, so you get a text that is almost certainly a booty call. It's like, but But But if you reply and say, Hey, just, you know, I I just rubbed one just rubbed one out five minutes ago, so this may not be his final days. You're envisioning 45 before that. Yeah, well, if you say that, okay, fine. But the response that I'm envisioning something like, um
  • [23:39] Mike: well, I just wanted to hang out. Like what? Like yeah, some sort of thing where she basically denies
  • [23:40] Mike: that it's a booty call,
  • [23:42] Keith: right? Yeah. I mean,
  • [23:47] Keith: these are all, you know, tricky waters to navigate. Hang
  • [23:57] Mike: on. But when you're when this happens to you, like you sound a little hesitant like that to me is sort of an obvious response. Is your text life with the ladies you date?
  • [24:02] Mike: Um, serially, always never parallel. Uh,
  • [24:13] Mike: is your is your text life with them? Such that, like they actually wouldn't say that. And they there is a clear understanding between you that some things that sex is definitely going to happen? Is that typical or
  • [24:16] Keith: you know, sometimes
  • [24:20] Keith: people.
  • [24:28] Keith: Yeah. Sometimes it's obvious that people are interested in using me for my body. And other times
  • [24:35] Keith: they enjoy the fine conversation. Um, well, no, but yeah, go ahead. Yeah, but
  • [25:04] Keith: regardless of their actual intent, their behavior around that intent also various. So there's there's sort of like to a second order thing there and with some people I know like I know what they want. It's explicit, or at least yeah, implicit enough that we're both on the same page and I could say something like, Hey, yeah, I loved it. Love to hang out. But, uh, I guess I could say, uh, for the interest of full disclosure, uh,
  • [25:06] Mike: there's no bullets in the chamber,
  • [25:09] Keith: you know, the other thing. The other thing is
  • [25:12] Keith: I wonder if that would be believable.
  • [25:13] Keith: I had depends on the person. You think
  • [25:25] Mike: they would think that that meant that you were having sex with some other woman or that, like you just didn't want to see them, right? E feel like you could Could you call that Russian roulette? There's no bullets in the chamber,
  • [25:34] Mike: you like, Look, I might be able to get enough. Yeah, I might be able to get a nut out here, but I'm not sure. So you're playing. Yeah,
  • [25:35] Mike: we'll see. We'll see what you can
  • [25:41] Keith: dio. Should we Should we talk about some of the other data on this? Yeah,
  • [25:50] Mike: well, yeah. The only other thing I wanted to mention was I wanted to. I wanted to remind you of the comment that that our guest a few episodes ago, Alley made
  • [25:59] Mike: about the and she was still, you know, she's still talking about it. I don't know how how much earlier in her life this had happened, but of the guy who she blew.
  • [26:15] Mike: And the guy clearly did not orgasm but claimed he did, uh and so it just just to your point, about women being disappointed, like, here's, you know, like it's it's like I suppose it was the deception or the really poorly carried out deception that bothered her fair point. But I mean,
  • [26:26] Keith: I mean, it's one thing. It's one thing to not bearable to come. It's another to claim you did it. It's still another two claim you did when she's blowing you right
  • [26:27] Mike: with no condom.
  • [26:41] Keith: Yeah, like if you're if you're penetrating her vaginally, you might be able to fake an orgasm. I mean, she's probably gonna find out when she goes to P, but there's a least a little bit of obfuscation there. But when you're in her mouth, I mean
  • [26:43] Keith: what? Yeah, it just
  • [27:28] Mike: shows you that the the sort of orgasm demand goes both ways, you know? And and God knows that I I know men on sex subreddit in porn in real life have some sort of obsession with making a woman come, obviously, And that's that could be, uh, um, make a woman nervous, anxiety producing, but yeah, I mean, it goes the other direction, too. And your point is well taken that they, you know, they might be disappointed or actually get upset if they if you fail to perform in that way. Oddly, because, you know, at the same time they might complain about the taste or the odor or whatever. Um, he all he ever wants is the nut, all whoever wants his orgasms. And then if you don't, it's also a complaint. So anyway, yeah, let's look at some other data here. Okay?
  • [27:36] Keith: So her Max is 10, and her average is 3.8 Now. I wish we could know.
  • [27:42] Keith: I don't want to just know her minimum. I'm guessing we know that his minimum must be zero. Because his Max is one. And her
  • [27:46] Mike: minute. Well, her minimum must be zero. I mean that, like, come on.
  • [27:53] Keith: Seems highly probable, but I would like to know. I would like to know her 10th percentile. Is it? Is it one? Is it
  • [27:55] Keith: 23?
  • [27:56] Keith: Like
  • [28:00] Mike: because you want to know if she ever has a session with just one orgasm?
  • [28:02] Keith: Yeah, I guess.
  • [28:07] Keith: Yeah. I would like to see I would like to see a chart with the exact number. And how many times each.
  • [28:09] Keith: Yeah. I mean, this just comes Don't have that data. So
  • [28:17] Mike: this this is that same discussion that we we have again and again with, like we did on our last episode with the
  • [28:30] Mike: two claims you brought forward strong claims of women having lots of orgasms or, well, lots being not 10. I don't think I'm not sure anybody was arguing 10, but say six or really was three or four
  • [28:48] Mike: because it was split across two days for one of the young ladies. But here, you know, the 10 stands out to me in a session, and it's one of those things where it's like, Look, we're now in the in the range where, like, women we've talked to about this say that like when you get to number 10, it's probably not going to feel that good.
  • [29:16] Mike: Uh, you've kind of run out of whatever the it is that makes it feel good. And so, yeah, it makes me a little bit skeptical when on when I say I'm skeptical. The skepticism I have is that, like, I wonder whether the woman in question has a clear picture of what an orgasm is. And, um, how how they're being counted and whether she, you know, has we is some of you that there's two different kinds of orgasm, one being a thing I would call an orgasm. The other one I would call just
  • [29:27] Mike: not an orgasm on. So then it's like, Oh, I have 10 or the second type of orgasm, which is not in orgasm. Uh, you know, and I
  • [29:27] Keith: say this
  • [29:39] Mike: part, I inform and I say this. I've said this repeatedly on the podcast. Like I say this because as a man like there is a thing that happens to men as well. That is sort of a peak of pleasure that happens during the plateau or edging like
  • [29:40] Keith: this is men have the
  • [30:03] Mike: same experience where, like, feels like something's twitching like maybe even some fluid might come out at that point, like some extra fluid or something. But it's clearly not an orgasm. And, like I just think that that experience something analogous to that women Sometimes you know Addy not to the bedpost or whatever they count. Yeah, whatever the iPad, this guy has hanging over his bed.
  • [30:16] Keith: Yeah, pressing the plus one. But, uh, yeah, I wonder if they ever lost count like, yeah, like once you start getting into needing two hands, you could imagine losing count. I mean, this guy's got
  • [30:29] Mike: a lot of virtues like eso. So he's got a graph here. 10 10 is the max three point. It's the average for his wife. Just to the left of that graph is a thing that he where he proudly indicates that only 3% of the time that they use toys.
  • [30:31] Keith: It's actually the more I look at this, the
  • [30:35] Mike: more I feel like this is just a guy like it's probably just some some single guy who lives in his
  • [30:43] Keith: parents basement. I mean, does claim they use toys a scant 3% of the time.
  • [30:44] Keith: So
  • [30:50] Keith: considering they had sex, what around 100 times
  • [30:55] Keith: this strongly implies. But, yeah, they use toys like two or three or four times,
  • [31:07] Mike: right? Um, he's got his their preferred positions here. There's a position I've never heard of, which is hard. It's hard to come up with. I mean, actually, I think it's notable that the most common position
  • [31:28] Mike: both as the primary and the secondary is cowgirl. Now, cowgirl, I think, is when your she is just what I would call like the woman on top, right? Yes, it's so you're looking at her face, not in her breasts, not her ass. Mhm. Yeah, Okay, so it's interesting to me that that's their main position. Most of the time, that's and then second is missionary. I would have
  • [31:30] Keith: so I would expect a missionary to be one, but
  • [31:35] Mike: and doggy is like almost never happening, which is interesting. So there's some we noticed
  • [31:38] Keith: that fucking happened twice
  • [31:39] Keith: the whole year.
  • [31:40] Mike: That's right.
  • [31:42] Mike: So there's some interesting reasons.
  • [31:55] Keith: Let me. Okay. I'm going to read all these positions. I could do it quickly. Cowgirl. Missionary, This is in order. Cowgirl Missionary Orel on him, Orel on her fingering reverse cowgirl 69.
  • [32:00] Keith: They did 69 8 times and doggy twice. Sunny side up
  • [32:07] Mike: 68 69 was six of the times. It was their main position, which,
  • [32:13] Keith: well, we don't really know what Yeah, this this chart has as main position and a secondary position I don't know
  • [32:22] Keith: if secondary means it comes second on the playlist. Or if that means that subsequent orgasms were achieved as secondary that its's not clear.
  • [32:39] Mike: And also, you don't know if there was one per session if there was one secondary position or potentially, you know, if he's omitting the tertiary positions or if he's just putting them into secondary, I think I think I think there's only one secondary. And the reason I think that is I think if you added up these numbers,
  • [32:53] Mike: actually, no, maybe I'm wrong about that because there's more. No, no. I think if you added up the numbers there would be zero or one secondary per primary. Yeah, OK, listeners, Sunnyside sunny side up, which we don't know what that is. Uh,
  • [33:01] Keith: never heard of this. Face it doggy scissors and human vibrator. So I don't know what study side up or human vibrator are.
  • [33:07] Mike: Human vibrator. I'm taking to be just, like, some sort of humor, because it's only one time as a secondary, and he's just sort of
  • [33:14] Keith: go down there like hum or something. Probably probably. Yeah,
  • [33:20] Keith: but the sunny side up sex position
  • [33:24] Mike: doing some quick Googling. All right. Um,
  • [33:32] Mike: yeah. Anyway, I thought it was notable that it was that its's top two or cowgirl in missionary, that the bottom one is doggy or doggies basically never happens.
  • [33:42] Mike: Um, which also? Now it's not virtue signaling because there are women that claim that that's the doggy really works for them. Eso that's sort of believable.
  • [33:44] Mike: Um,
  • [33:45] Mike: anyway, do you find anything there?
  • [33:51] Keith: Yeah, I did it. Zehme is reverse cowgirl. So she is sitting
  • [33:52] Keith: on his deck
  • [33:55] Keith: facing away from him, but she's
  • [34:00] Keith: laying back on him, so they're both She's sort of laying on top of him.
  • [34:08] Keith: So the difference between this and reverse. Cowgirl is she is horizontal instead of her torso is horizontal instead of vertical. She's
  • [34:19] Mike: lying back, not forward. Correct. Okay, so that's just it's just some sort of novelty position. Can I noticed that the Amazon positions not there. Maybe next year s get to that position.
  • [34:21] Keith: Yeah.
  • [34:22] Keith: You know, they do
  • [34:29] Mike: actually have another chart where they say that they do use 34 and five positions in some encounters. Um
  • [34:38] Keith: oh, look, how many positions do we use each time? One is 43. 2 is 38. 3 is 15.
  • [34:40] Keith: See, this just doesn't It doesn't comport.
  • [34:44] Mike: Hang on. This doesn't like, Okay, All right. All right.
  • [34:54] Mike: So look. So So So she's She's orgasm ing 10 times maximum 3.8 times average and 43 out of there. I think we said it was something on the order of 100.
  • [35:04] Mike: Actually, this doesn't add up because it was supposed to be mawr. No, no, it's it's orgasm. First sessions. Okay, so 43 out of something like 100 sessions. There was only one position. Okay?
  • [35:06] Mike: Like
  • [35:11] Mike: and and him giving her Orel was somewhat uncommon.
  • [35:22] Mike: Onley 17 sessions and he of course, it makes takes care to point out that five of the times it was the primary positions. That's potentially the source of the
  • [35:29] Keith: well. But this is interesting. I mean, yeah, this means he went down on her 17 times all year. That's it.
  • [35:53] Mike: Yeah, and and yet and 43 of them are just one position. And and and And also I wanted to mention that fingering, which I assume is fingering on her vagina. It's not Cem Anal event eyes only 12 times. So that means that only 29 times the entire year did he Orel do oral on her and finger. So So what's going on? I think we can say we could distill out these people's sex life to say that like,
  • [36:06] Mike: um, 43 out of 100 times, they had only one position. That position was probably typically cowgirl or missionary. Um, although I'm sure there was some other four times exactly. Now, look,
  • [36:13] Mike: I mean, what you want me to say here you want me to say here like like I mean women? Here's the deal. Here's the deal. Like women very commonly
  • [36:14] Keith: mean men
  • [36:28] Mike: have a preferred position to But women, in my opinion, very commonly have a preferred thing. I don't know. What do you react to that, Keith? Like what? What do you think about my statement? That women very commonly have a particular position or thing that is the orgasmic thing for them. And
  • [36:44] Keith: I think very, very common. Yeah. It could be stronger than that, right? Like many women can't orgasm in more than one way, right? Like it will be. I can only orgasm when he goes down on me, or I can Onley orgasm when we have sex in this, like, specific way.
  • [36:48] Mike: And so you have your life experience comports with that statement, right? Like that. I'm not. I don't
  • [36:53] Keith: sound like a crazy person. One of these graphs imply that she can have
  • [36:58] Keith: three plus orgasms in virtually any Basically any position,
  • [37:19] Mike: Right? Right. So I just Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know what to say. Like, it's not That doesn't strike me as very likely. And I mean, by the way, like, it makes perfect sense. But anything's possible. Yeah, sure. But I mean, it makes perfect sense to me. By the way that women have a particular position that works for them. And it has to do with the fact that, like I think that men do, too. It's just that usually
  • [37:22] Mike: okay in everything, except
  • [37:37] Mike: I want to say everything but the one position. That's where it's typically not the case that the man is in control when he's receiving a blow. And so they're actually like in my experience in my life, that's the one where I've had the most complicated situation of orgasm. And I think that's why is because when you're not in control,
  • [37:56] Mike: you know, all of a sudden it you rely way mawr on what your partner's doing to sort of get you there. Um, and that's one of the reasons why, like in my view, one of the reasons why, like 90 e don't know 90% plus of porn that shows a blowjob. The guy beats off the end to get the orgasm, and that's why it's because it's not. It's
  • [38:00] Mike: yeah, it's it's a little bit complicated. You see a lot of stuff on the sex subreddit from guys
  • [38:25] Mike: who say that they can't quote unquote can't orgasm from a blow job. It's just sort of complicated. Well, if you're a woman, then you're in that situation very often where you're not controlling the action. So it's a little more complicated if you have an organism. Not not that you can't physically or something. It's just that the guy doesn't always do the right thing very often, doesn't. And so this notion that this guy is just in every position is perfectly doing it. I just got a call BS on that. That's just
  • [38:31] Keith: maybe after their that. What did he say? They were married for some team number of years.
  • [38:33] Keith: Maybe he
  • [38:49] Mike: psychologically speaking. It doesn't surprise me that a woman who is willing to have an IPAD next to their bed so they can, um, thumbs up the activities they did is also a woman who is willing to humor her husband in bed a little bit regarding or gastric.
  • [39:10] Keith: Alright, so So Mike, the world's number one female orgasm skeptic, comes through again here, I Yeah, I mean, I'm not as I would describe you as fairly certain that there is some fishy fishy numbers here. He's full of chicanery. E some.
  • [39:17] Keith: I think I think that is probably the case, but I am not. I'm not. I'm not certain. Let's let's importantly,
  • [39:30] Mike: importantly, I want to say we will move on. I want to say that I think it's possible that the guy doesn't know that there's chicanery involved here. Like he. That's so he may think it's all on the up and up. If he listens to this, he might say, Hey, what you guys doing here?
  • [39:31] Keith: But you might be outraged,
  • [39:35] Mike: I think. I think his wife knows what's up. It would be fun to have a conversation with his wife.
  • [39:44] Keith: Maybe she would say, Well, look, you're told You have to get her old tricks syndrome to also I mean, yeah, there's also the complicating factor that she might not
  • [39:46] Keith: completely note.
  • [39:54] Mike: Oh, that what an orgasm is? Yeah. And also, she might not completely know that he's uploading their sex life to read it.
  • [40:03] Keith: Yeah, I mean, I do like that. He says we have a few kids like that obfuscates who they are or something. Um,
  • [40:09] Keith: okay. All right. This I wanted to talk about because I'm not exactly sure
  • [40:11] Keith: how this would
  • [40:29] Keith: work, but Okay, so this one says anyone else enjoy adding fingers to vaginal penetration during intercourse? So I male have always been a fan of size play, and this is something I enjoyed for quite some time now. I've done some research and experimentation to confirm that some women do enjoy the feeling of being full.
  • [40:53] Keith: So in a missionary position, I found it deeply enjoyable as well as my partner F female. When I slide my right arm under the small of her back in the same way you would for a little butthole play and insert my middle finger and right finger and right ring finger because this is his right arm while I thrust inside of her and occasionally I will work in four fingers simultaneously thrust into her with my Penis
  • [41:01] Keith: and imitate counter thrusting with my hand. I found it to be deeply enjoyable, and she has a swell. I just want to know if
  • [41:16] Keith: other have energy back to contribute to this. This I spent the spent by Sorry, this person's grammar is so brutal. I'm trying to contribute to this as I spent my the early years of my sexual in activity unaware of the joys of this
  • [41:18] Keith: technique brings. Okay. What? I think this
  • [41:26] Mike: is a troll. I think there's a troll. Look, this reminds me of I don't know if I saw a porn or a person talking about this.
  • [41:27] Mike: Uh,
  • [41:47] Mike: I think it was. I think I saw this in porn. It would have been a while ago where a guy is penetrating his partner vaginally, and then he puts his hand in her. He like, I guess he puts his hand up her butt. And that way he could sort of grabbed his Penis through the wall between her anise. What
  • [41:48] Mike: I think I've seen,
  • [41:49] Keith: Yeah, this is one of these
  • [42:09] Mike: novelty porn things like, I've also seen a porn. I actually took a note here to try to find that, Uh well, I can't surprise you with it if I tell you about it. But maybe it'll be like a birthday present or something. But where a guy is penetrating his female partner vaginally, and then he puts his he puts his balls in her Aniston the same time.
  • [42:12] Keith: These are just racist.
  • [42:26] Keith: I don't I don't know if my scrotum is, um this man's was I saw doing that. Okay. All right. So, you know. Yeah. You've seen it happened. Yes. I've seen it done Zip done with, like, computer graphics or, you know.
  • [42:47] Mike: Oh, yeah. In fact, I think this the second when I'm talking about was from quite a while ago, so I'm even more certain, but but e I mean, great. So, like, the first thing I'm thinking about with this person on Reddit is, um, look, I think that taking the woman's side here, I think the first question would be definitely which way where the fingernails pointing.
  • [42:58] Mike: I don't know that would occur to you, but like eso, I know it being the guy, he's gonna point, um, you got a point in one direction or the other, and one direction. They're going to scratch him in one direction. They scratch her. So I know he's gonna point, um, toward
  • [43:01] Keith: her. Yeah. Yeah, like, let's just get
  • [43:11] Mike: meaningful problem, Even if they're well trimmed, like there's gonna be so tight that when you go to put them in, you're definitely gonna catch your fingernail on her tissue there, and it's going to cut her, right.
  • [43:12] Keith: I don't
  • [43:16] Keith: understand. Like,
  • [43:29] Keith: uh, maybe I'm, uh, girth the earth in this person. But I think like even getting one finger in which is sort of I guess I could imagine. Imagine it. I've never tried.
  • [43:32] Keith: Uh, but yeah. So to be clear, what this guy's doing So he's I think
  • [43:36] Mike: I have tried. I think I have tried that and it doesn't.
  • [43:37] Mike: It's
  • [43:40] Mike: It's like, Why am I doing this? Like, anyway, Going
  • [43:45] Keith: hard to even get your wrist like the right angle to do that while penetrating normally,
  • [44:15] Mike: you would do it on the top, not on the bottom. I mean, so that's right. I mean, you could Sorry, Normally quote unquote like I'm just saying, Like if I was I don't mean that I do not do this normally, but I'm saying, like if if I were if I was like, Hey, I wanna I wanna have a little circus act right now and do some wacky stuff. I would definitely do it where I could see my fingers, right? I'm escaping in missionary or like, a face to face position. Uh, and I also think that there would be a little bit more room on the top. I'm not sure why I think that, but I
  • [44:18] Keith: just think the opposite because
  • [44:24] Keith: yeah, you sort of want that pressure at the top, right, because that's where the clip is.
  • [44:34] Mike: Oh, I wasn't, you know, I was just thinking about if I just physically wanted to get my finger in, like not not nothing. None of this is pleasurable. This just purely like. Can I do this to a body on?
  • [44:37] Keith: I was thinking like contortions. To do it on top are easier
  • [44:58] Mike: when also like, I feel like I'd actually be interested in your take on this. But like when you initially you know, when you initially penetrate a woman, sometimes it's like perfectly everything is perfectly lubricated and there's no it just goes right in. But you know somewhat frequently, like there's some spot that isn't right. And I
  • [44:59] Keith: feel like
  • [45:02] Mike: the spot that isn't is typically towards the
  • [45:04] Mike: anise. Is that right?
  • [45:06] Mike: Hm?
  • [45:15] Mike: Or is it right? I feel like it's not really on the top, and that makes me think that there's a little more like it's more of an oval in, like the top has a little space. Where is the bottom, you know, But what is? What's your thought? I
  • [45:37] Keith: mean, like, I'm like, I'm not a doctor, but I think most of the there's a doctor that's ever analyzed this key, I thought. Okay, well, let me tell you why I said that. So I think most of the glands that secrete lubricate lubrication are closer to the top. So that supports your theory that there's mawr witness at the top, but because of gravity, it's sort of slides down.
  • [45:38] Keith: And
  • [46:07] Mike: it practically speaking, I mean, where do you notice it catching? Yeah, I actually have, Like, Aiken, I can actually think back in my memory. Be like, Oh, yeah, I think it typically catches kind of on the lower left or lower right region. And then you have to you have to kind of like I mean, what I typically dio is you sort of pull out some which tends to, like, pull some lubrication out, and then you right, of course. And the main thing not to do is force it in because that actually will cause a problem. And yeah, well, it hurts. I'm sure it doesn't hurt.
  • [46:08] Keith: I know it could even
  • [46:10] Mike: hurt me, actually, to be fair,
  • [46:13] Keith: you know, you you go in a little bit and then you pull out, Then you go on a little bit more.
  • [46:16] Mike: And then when you're doing that catch
  • [46:23] Mike: like, what's the thing that makes you? Where is the region or is it just random? But where is the region on your Penis, where you're like, Oh, I need to pull out now.
  • [46:29] Keith: It's e I don't have a strong enough. I don't Maybe unless
  • [46:35] Keith: sensitive to this or something. I don't I don't know. I don't know. You haven't thought about like,
  • [46:38] Mike: Look, look, I'm always so helped up on methamphetamine
  • [46:49] Keith: by that. That's right. Attention, right? Um, no. Like, I just I don't have a good
  • [46:51] Keith: I guess it's the underside
  • [46:56] Keith: Anyway. Look, that used to matter. The point is that, but look, at some point, there's enough lubrication
  • [47:00] Keith: to attempt this, uh,
  • [47:00] Keith: and I think I want to
  • [47:02] Mike: be clear that
  • [47:20] Mike: Oh, forefinger. Never. But like I think when I've tried that with one finger, I'm almost positive that I made it's the pad of my finger was pointing toward her body, and the fingernail was pointing toward my Penis. There's no way I would go the other direction because it's just obviously going and and then, But the real thing is, you try it and you could try this case like,
  • [47:21] Mike: um, I
  • [47:21] Keith: guess if you're
  • [47:27] Mike: wearing a condom, there'd be an issue because the fingernail would be pointing toward the condoms. That's like a little risky, right? But
  • [47:28] Keith: you don't want
  • [47:29] Keith: It's
  • [47:49] Mike: not clear where you would put the fingernail then, but the main thing is like it just it does. In my experience, it contributes nothing, and it's it's you can't It's too tight for there to be any operating room to move the finger around. And I don't think that I'm that girth e. I just think like it's Yeah. I mean, there just isn't that much room. I mean, it's, you know, you've already got something that's like three or four figures.
  • [48:09] Keith: I think I think vaginas and penises are generally designed to be around the right size for each other to maximize pleasure with normal penetration. Intelligent design, right? Yeah, that's right. Thanks. God and eso, but like with four.
  • [48:13] Keith: Yeah. What did he call it? Fullness. Play full. Full play.
  • [48:16] Mike: Yeah, but you see like that to me, that's not
  • [48:20] Mike: that Makes more sense to me if you're doing something like fisting, which I've also done
  • [48:23] Mike: long ago and
  • [48:30] Mike: the fullness there is inside, right? And because you sort of slip the fist in and then you can clinch it and you get
  • [48:36] Mike: but the point being that, like the throat of the vagina, you're not going to get your well,
  • [48:43] Mike: it would be painful if you put your entire fist through their walk clenched. If that makes sense, like you have to shrink it to get it through. And then you would,
  • [48:45] Mike: uh, make a fist.
  • [48:46] Mike: Ah,
  • [48:52] Mike: yes. So I don't know the notion of a Penis and four fingers going through the the
  • [49:00] Mike: entrance of the vagina Sounds just horrible to me. Like it's hard for me to understand how that is pleasurable for anyone. So that's why I think it's a troll.
  • [49:02] Keith: I
  • [49:06] Keith: I don't know. I mean, I guess he could be lying.
  • [49:09] Keith: What is he is he looking for? Maybe it's something he wants to try. Well,
  • [49:17] Mike: I mean a Z. You know, Keith, I recently posted a patrol post to the sex separate just to see what would happen. Um,
  • [49:20] Keith: you didn't get past the jury that we've got taken. That's
  • [49:28] Mike: true. That's true. The post. Just so our listeners know, the posting question was I was trying to see what people would say about people doing the
  • [49:31] Mike: Is there any other way to say this than titty fucking?
  • [49:33] Mike: Do you have any other term for that position?
  • [49:35] Mike: Uh, no,
  • [49:39] Keith: no, that is that is the common leagues, E uh,
  • [49:51] Mike: I decided that the notion of that position, uh, but with reversed Ordinarily, the man is facing the woman. This was the man facing away. I thought that was amusing. And I wanted to post something and see if I got reaction.
  • [50:02] Mike: So I am. In that case, I was being a troll on. Duh. Yeah, I got taken down because what I wrote, while somewhat plausible, I guess was not sufficiently plausible. So So I guess, Yeah, maybe this went through
  • [50:05] Keith: the Did you get guidance about why he was taken down?
  • [50:16] Mike: No, I did get some up votes. Uh, e think I think the thing that I put in the post that that made it, uh too obvious. It was when I claimed that it was I said it was a friend
  • [50:58] Mike: that does it. And then I said his girlfriend likes it because she quote enjoys the view on I don't think that anybody thinks it's plausible that a woman would enjoy the view of a man's Penis and scrotum. Um, right, The fuck that's right, Yeah, backward. And so the the act that women derive frequently, essentially universally, on the sex over that say they derive no pleasure from just Yeah, it's just It's like the worst possible sex act that doesn't involve, like, actual pain or something for the woman. So anyway, so I think it's Yeah, people, the point being that I've done a troll on Reddit. People do do trolls, so
  • [51:00] Mike: maybe that's what it is.
  • [51:03] Keith: Well, that's disappointing. I kind of liked the idea of this guy
  • [51:05] Keith: trying to just also
  • [51:07] Mike: have a very narrow Penis.
  • [51:10] Keith: He could, but
  • [51:19] Keith: I still think the like the very narrow fingers, the right word. Yeah, I still think the mechanics of this are are difficult to pull off.
  • [51:21] Keith: Kind of.
  • [51:32] Mike: I think I could do it. I mean, if you if you put her legs sort of against her chest. So the important thing is in this case, you have to have your fingers near on the in the direction of Uranus, right?
  • [51:40] Mike: Um, yeah, I know. I I can see how you do it. You would have to. You'd be fighting with your balls a little bit, right? Uh huh. Like there are
  • [51:44] Keith: between your cock shaft and your balls And like and to some
  • [51:54] Mike: extent, like, I don't think there's any chance that she would be enjoying that. And I would start to saying, Well, why wouldn't you just insert fingers and her anise and push up? Because it's the same. Like it's the same geography there,
  • [51:56] Keith: these air. These are the questions that we demand answers to.
  • [52:02] Mike: He's like, Look, I'm only doing I just want to stretch her out, man. It's It's something that could be a fetish. It's possible.
  • [52:19] Keith: Yeah. All right. We have time for one more short topic. Uh, this is I just wanted to bring this up because we talked. Talked about things similar to this before, but this is fingers toe orgasm while sleeping. So this person says I had an ex who occasionally fingered meat till I came while I was sleeping.
  • [52:43] Keith: I get really, really wet. I remember being deeply asleep. I remember being deeply asleep, waking up. She goes on. Yeah, sorry. And waking to his fingers, working really fast and as quick as I realized what was going on and came all over his fingers, love the thought of it, but can't find someone who doesn't think it's where it's okay, look. So there's all kinds of issues around consent here. I don't want to get into that. There's sort of interesting
  • [52:47] Mike: using their boyfriend and girlfriend or what their life. They've
  • [52:56] Keith: discussed this before. Consensus. Fully given sure, I still don't understand thes people who, like sleep through material, sexual arousal.
  • [52:59] Keith: I don't
  • [53:01] Keith: what
  • [53:09] Keith: e. Fighting for my words that I don't know. Like if somebody grabbed my dick, I feel like if somebody like, even, like,
  • [53:13] Keith: got near it like if there was, like a little puff of wind, I feel like I would wake up
  • [53:16] Keith: well, not an area of my body
  • [53:17] Keith: that
  • [53:21] Keith: I think I could sleep through stimulation to.
  • [53:21] Keith: I think
  • [53:23] Mike: that you could.
  • [53:58] Mike: Well, the thing this is reminding me of is like I'm sure you've had the experience of something happening in the real world and then being integrated into a dream you're having, like that's That's a normal experience, right? Yes. So the cat jumps on the bed or there's an earthquake or your long clocks going off or something, and and, yeah, like, Oh, you know, someone keeps ringing at the door in my dream, Or so you know that that's really your alarm clock or something. So So I think that, like your brain can do an OK job, like sort of integrating. I mean, obviously the right thing for your brain to do is to wake you up because, like if somebody's grabbing your cock
  • [54:06] Mike: while you're asleep, it's probably a dangerous signal. I mean, most animals, you think would want to fight back or some because it's not a good thing. Necessarily. Something's grabbing you
  • [54:13] Mike: and based, biologically speaking, probably not to be killed. But
  • [54:21] Mike: so, yeah, so it's But But it is. It does happen like things that are happening in the real world. And and And the thing I would say is like the
  • [54:25] Mike: the density of people posting about
  • [54:34] Mike: stuff happening while they're asleep is pretty high on the sex separate. That being said, they could be sort of lying right, you know, So you'll have people say, Oh, I like
  • [54:42] Mike: my boyfriend likes, you know, there was the one with the boyfriend who start having sex with his girlfriend while he was quote unquote asleep.
  • [54:50] Mike: Right. So it's some sort of sleep humping sleepwalking humping activity. Um, seems like these claims now they could all be lying, but
  • [54:51] Keith: it's It's I think it's
  • [54:54] Mike: plausible that, like somebody could start interacting with you.
  • [55:04] Mike: Uh, now, the part that I find a little harder to take is the waking up and instantly orgasm ing that doesn't strike me, right? What do you think about that?
  • [55:17] Keith: Well, yeah. I mean, it applies that most of the arousal thing had happened in her sleep, which implies that she slept through. I mean, look, maybe she just, like, really, really, really, really quickly gets
  • [55:28] Keith: that aroused. But assuming that there's a runway there, I just can't imagine sleeping through it. I want a partner that I'm comfortable enough with toe. Ask to try these kinds of things to me.
  • [55:32] Mike: Wait, Wait. You want them to ask you to do it or you want to ask them to do it?
  • [55:37] Keith: Oh, Either way, I was thinking I want them to try with me, like, try stroking my Penis while I'm sleeping.
  • [55:47] Mike: I don't know. Why does that require. Ah, high comfort level with a partner. Why can't you? Just a little partner? It doesn't. You should. You should. Yeah. You should make a list of
  • [55:48] Mike: Yeah,
  • [55:51] Keith: the four fingers in the vagina. The
  • [55:59] Mike: ones you could You could have them. You could Sleeping statistics Guy, you could like hanging them over the bed and on an iPad and say, Look, honey,
  • [56:01] Keith: our menu of things we could try,
  • [56:09] Mike: like, you just pick one and then I'll go to sleep and just do what? By the way, this reminds me of
  • [56:16] Mike: what do you call that? Were like a teenage boy hasn't ejaculated in his sleep. There's a word for that.
  • [56:27] Mike: What dream? What? What dreams? So I have never had a wet dream I never had. Really? Yeah. I described that early access to porn and your investigation.
  • [56:36] Keith: I had wet dreams a lot more when I was young. Now I have them. Gosh, I bet it's been two years since my last one, but they still happen occasionally.
  • [56:41] Mike: Okay, So what is so since I've never had one? I don't And I haven't. I mean, like, do you wake up while
  • [56:43] Keith: ejaculating?
  • [56:54] Keith: Sometimes you wake up right before ejaculating, but oftentimes, yeah, I sleep. I sleep through it and wake up and fucking come in my pants. Really? Yeah.
  • [56:55] Mike: So
  • [57:00] Mike: and you're okay, So hang on. And there's a There's a sufficient quantity
  • [57:03] Mike: that you're positive that it's not just like lubrication.
  • [57:05] Keith: Yeah, no, it's not pretty dumb.
  • [57:08] Mike: It's okay on and
  • [57:15] Mike: And you're saying that like, you might wake up literally the next morning, so it's kind of cold and clammy like it's not It's clearly not recent.
  • [57:22] Keith: Yes. Look, I haven't had a lot of experiences with this lately, but usually I could remember the dream.
  • [57:26] Keith: Uh, and usually they're pretty good. Uh
  • [57:28] Mike: um
  • [57:30] Mike: okay, but you do wake up sometimes
  • [57:35] Keith: I would say 90% of the time I would wake up and I would wake up. E would be super bummed that
  • [57:38] Mike: I woke up. Wait, but do you wake up
  • [57:45] Keith: because I'd be, like, right on the edge of orgasm, But like, suddenly, it's like, Oh, uh,
  • [57:49] Keith: wait, Pamela Anderson isn't actually here. Wait
  • [57:55] Mike: a minute. When you wake up, this is what I'm trying to understand. You wake up in the erection goes away
  • [57:58] Mike: or you beat off or what happened. Do you wake up? And
  • [58:03] Keith: you're, like, hunted with this with this choice where it's like, you know,
  • [58:09] Keith: I have a full erection. I have another fulfilled,
  • [58:11] Keith: you know, memory of this dream.
  • [58:14] Keith: And, yeah, you could jerk off then, if you want or you
  • [58:28] Mike: can you have two for you. That would mean you have to get out of bed, Put the paper towels down in a line on your desk, get the lubricant out. It would be this whole process, right? Yeah. Obviously The scented candles, the incense. Right. You have tow call a friend.
  • [58:32] Keith: Now, you could just use your hand.
  • [58:35] Mike: Okay, But the order if you didn't. Okay,
  • [58:35] Keith: so I mean,
  • [58:43] Mike: so why couldn't this just be like that? Like, basically, she stimulated her in such a way that, like it created something like that experience for you.
  • [58:46] Keith: It could be I just think that
  • [58:51] Keith: look, there's a little bit of it. There's a big difference between Stell self
  • [58:55] Keith: arousing myself in my sleep and
  • [59:08] Keith: being aroused by physical contact while I'm sleeping. I think there's a gap there. Okay? They're not totally unrelated, like I can, you know, I can intellectually imagine it. I just I suspect I would wake up.
  • [59:15] Mike: Yeah, but if your I mean OK. I mean, it's just like to me. Like, I think the reason why I'm incredulous about this is because of not having
  • [59:19] Mike: For some reason, I just don't, like, have that intense of a dream life. I've had dreams where
  • [59:25] Mike: either some sexual thing going on, but nothing like Certainly. Yeah, no nocturnal emissions.
  • [59:33] Keith: That's a bummer. Like, I I don't have lucid dreams, but the coolest dreams I've had our sex dreams.
  • [59:35] Mike: Uh huh. Yeah,
  • [59:54] Mike: yeah, I know. I don't I mean, I've had anyway, Yeah, I've had I've had dreams that involve sex, but no, like certainly nothing, right? I think I'm about to ejaculate than wake up. No, no. Like, I'm require more more stimulation than that. I would just wake up and be like, Oh, like that was a sex dream and and no, never wet dream.
  • [59:56] Mike: Um,
  • [60:05] Mike: okay, but yeah, I mean, like, to the extent that you've had that experience that would that would What that's doing is just shifting your incredulous nous over to the physical pleasuring, which I think
  • [60:08] Mike: is also hard to believe, But
  • [60:12] Mike: yeah, like it takes out one of the one of the obstacles that I see. Anyway,
  • [60:14] Mike: this sort of like could this happen? Generally?
  • [60:19] Keith: Yeah. I agree that that line of thinking is
  • [60:27] Keith: compelling while trying to construct a case to suggest that this could happen. But I want to do my own research. I wanna Yeah, I'm gonna
  • [60:27] Keith: gonna
  • [60:32] Mike: spot you. Should have a You should get a, uh, willing or unwilling. Well, I guess a willing partner, maybe.
  • [60:35] Keith: Yeah, it would be hard to get an unwilling partner.
  • [60:45] Mike: Thio e. I was thinking more like a one that you have higher or a level lower level of comfort with. But, I mean, I'm not sure they would care to be honest. Thio, do this and see what happens.