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Episode 26: MMF Threesome, Tearing Clothes, Where Cum Goes, Finishing Too Fast, Hair

Team YMMV | 1-21-2021 | 1:03:56

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We watch our first MMF scenes on air, perplexing Keith but perhaps slightly arousing him as well?

A Reddit user wants her clothes torn off so often that it's becoming a financial burden for her and her partner. We discuss the details of where semen goes after it's deposited in a woman.

And, what is the proper response when a man "finishes" too quickly while having sex?

To follow along with the videos discussed at the beginning of the episode:

https://ymmv.me/26/mmf-1

https://ymmv.me/26/mmf-2

We get a lot of our questions from the Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/26/tearing-clothes

https://ymmv.me/26/where-cum-goes

https://ymmv.me/26/finishing-too-fast

https://ymmv.me/26/hair

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

  • [0:08] Keith: No, I mean intellectually curious and knowing what my own semen tastes like. I just can't get over the discussed aspect. Yeah, there was some way to do that.
  • [0:26] Mike: Oh, that's easy. The way you deal with that, if you want to do it for science and this is what I've done, I've never like, you know, taste it. You simply wait like, five minutes? Yes.
  • [0:42] Keith: Hello, and welcome to your mileage may vary. Your mileage may vary is a show that discusses the apparently infinitely deep topics of sex and relationships. You bring our unique blend of ignorance, certainty and humor to hopefully entertain you.
  • [0:49] Keith: My co host is famed female orgasm. Deny or Mike. Hi, Mike. Hey there.
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  • [1:29] Keith: Okay, we usually kick off the show by discussing a short porn clip. But before that, Mike, are you aware that we haven't had, like, a substance, a substantive conversation about anal sex, And I think five episodes?
  • [1:32] Mike: No, I didn't realize that, uh,
  • [1:45] Keith: things with that things were getting so bad. We had to, like, carve out a special segment at the end because people were getting disgusted by our fecal conversations, but yeah, I'm impressed with us, I think.
  • [1:49] Mike: Yeah. I mean, maybe. Well, maybe we could break that. I don't know. I don't even know if we have any today.
  • [1:52] Keith: I don't have anything. I don't have anything. That's the thing
  • [2:02] Mike: that really destroyed it. Was the person who had anal sex with the person wanted how? What is it? They wanted their bowels to be full. I think that's sort of Yeah, it's off it for a while.
  • [2:09] Keith: Yeah. Maybe we should keep it that way for a bit. Um,
  • [2:12] Keith: okay. Do you have
  • [2:14] Keith: a
  • [2:16] Keith: You have a clip for us? Yeah. We've got
  • [2:22] Mike: a couple of clips here. Thes air. Pretty. Uh, well, nsfw, that goes without saying
  • [2:22] Keith: he's a pretty
  • [2:29] Mike: aggressive. I mean, you know, it's Ah, this is some content that, uh, that maybe, um
  • [2:47] Mike: even the men in the audience who spend a lot of time viewing porn wouldn't have seen this. Although I always try to come up with something that z unusual, as always, will post the links in the show notes so that you can follow along and both of these clips You can, um, to follow along with us. We're going to start at four minutes and 10 seconds into it.
  • [2:54] Mike: Um, so why don't you open the first clip there, Keith e trepidation
  • [2:57] Keith: here. Okay, I'm going to see it even before I seek to the four time
  • [2:59] Mike: you'll see what's going on. You see what's going
  • [3:00] Keith: on?
  • [3:01] Keith: Hey.
  • [3:06] Keith: Yeah, I see what's going on here. Okay, alright. Eso
  • [3:12] Keith: There's a woman on the bottom. There is a man on top of her,
  • [3:18] Keith: and there is a man on top of him. Uh, let me seek to 4 10. Yeah.
  • [3:22] Mike: You got to jump ahead in this to get to the key scene that I was gonna
  • [3:24] Mike: show you.
  • [3:32] Mike: This is mmf, not M f m. This is really mmf. It's unusual. It's somewhat unusual to find. Yeah,
  • [3:39] Keith: Yeah, this is definitely MNF in this particular I have seeked to 4. 10, and I haven't pressed play yet, but
  • [3:46] Keith: yeah, well, okay, you're gonna narrate us here. I'm all right. I'm gonna press play in 321
  • [4:06] Mike: So it's a woman astride a man and there's another man off to their right. And the thing that's unusual about this clip is that he has his Penis in the man who's lying, who's reclining in his mouth. And actually, the man is reclining. Seems to be paying more attention to that than the woman who's riding him. Yeah,
  • [4:10] Mike: And now the man with the Penis and the other man's mouth is kissing the woman.
  • [4:29] Mike: Uh, so it's truly mmf. I mean, there's well, he's. And then the man reclining is now looking at him. A little jealousy. Now she's put the Penis back in his mouth and kiss kissing the Penis. I think we can pause this when I move onto the next one. Okay. Gives you the general idea, and she's actually stroking him. I didn't notice that she's stroking him.
  • [4:32] Keith: She is. She's stroking him while the other guy blows him.
  • [4:40] Mike: Yeah, that's right. Okay, so let's move on to the second clip. And also it for 10. I'll give you a second. Thio, seek to the right spot there. Keith.
  • [4:42] Keith: Is this the same? Are these the same people? They
  • [4:46] Mike: are the same actors. One of the things I've noticed is that these, uh the
  • [4:51] Keith: second content are you are we are This is This is, uh
  • [4:57] Mike: Well, I'm just being nice and giving them credit for acting. I who knows if it's a sort of amateur
  • [5:06] Keith: or participants? Yeah, sure. Okay, Alright. I am at 4 10. I'm going to start in 321 starting.
  • [5:16] Mike: So there's a man and a woman in sort of the doggy style position. Another man is behind him, sort of menacingly with some lubricant. He's now putting the lubricant in the man's but crack.
  • [5:47] Mike: We have an idea of probably what's coming. The people having sex, air kissing, and he's sort of doing the normal Well, she's it's more of a prone bone kind of thing. Her legs were kind of spread, but now the man in the in the way back has got his Penis out and he is inserting it into the other man. Now you've got a back shot back to the other shot we had. And now we're going to get the full three Cem experience where it's ah, woman in the front, a man in the middle and a man in the back.
  • [5:48] Mike: The guy
  • [6:04] Keith: is doing all the moment. So the person on the bottom is not moving. The person behind is not moving in. The guy in the middle is just sort of moving his hips back and forth. So when he moves back, he gets inserted more by the man. And when he was forward, he's inserted mawr into the woman.
  • [6:08] Mike: That's right. And she looks like she's enjoying it plenty. Um, yeah,
  • [6:20] Mike: and the guy Now the guy in the back is reaching around the way back. Rather is reaching around to her breasts anyway, So this is what I wanted to see you to see, and we can discuss it.
  • [6:22] Keith: Um
  • [6:32] Keith: I mean, you know, I have never been involved in a m m f or indeed an m f M threesome. And so ah,
  • [6:34] Keith: um
  • [6:41] Keith: e I mean, there's some things logistically here that I've never really sort of considered before. Like,
  • [6:45] Keith: uh, this man blowing someone while he's penetrating someone else and
  • [6:55] Keith: the reaching around the man to get to the bottom Woman breasts Things just like various things here that are, you know, never been available to me. Do you
  • [7:05] Mike: think Do you think? I mean, there's obviously So I mean, I will say that I found these videos on a subreddit destined for women female viewers.
  • [7:05] Keith: This appears to
  • [7:08] Mike: be somewhat popular with them.
  • [7:13] Mike: Um, maybe the extra men and and the fact that they don't find the mail
  • [7:22] Mike: element eyes distressing or is distressing is the wrong word. But it is. It's not. It's more what they're looking for. Put it that way. Um, do you
  • [7:22] Keith: think that
  • [7:30] Mike: you could if you could Onley If if this if you had to, exclusively masturbate to this porn for a session, do you think you could get
  • [7:32] Keith: it done?
  • [7:48] Keith: I don't know. I really do find, like, two men to be pretty, pretty repulsive. Um, that's interesting. She's an attractive lady. That's right. Definitely. Um,
  • [7:50] Keith: there might be like
  • [7:54] Keith: parts of this that I could use. This could be salvageable. E, don't you
  • [8:01] Mike: think. Yeah, but you're There's nothing you have specifically in mind. It's just theoretically, you think it's possible?
  • [8:03] Keith: Yeah, yeah,
  • [8:04] Keith: I found the
  • [8:13] Mike: part with the man's Penis in the other man's mouth. More, more. I think I could masturbate to that because
  • [8:25] Mike: that it's almost like a where's Waldo, where you have to like you can watch it for a little while without realizing I could. Anyway, maybe your eyes went directly there, but it took me a second to realize that the other man,
  • [8:26] Keith: because a lot of times
  • [8:50] Mike: you have a threesome, porn and the they'll be just another guy just there, right? There won't be any male male action. And it took me a minute to realize that there wasn't being this, that the other guy's mouth, and so that I may be, could filter out the three. The three men that the three people all having sort of human centipede style sex. I don't think I could that would be more challenging because it's so visible.
  • [8:53] Keith: Yeah, yeah, this'll this
  • [9:04] Keith: moment where he's just moving his hips back and forth to alternate, penetrating her and getting himself penetrated his I mean, it's amusing, but not arousing to me, it's
  • [9:08] Keith: confusing. I guess it's the main thing. And repulsive. Let me
  • [9:14] Mike: ask you, Heath. Uh and yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, like, you mean impulsive is a heterosexual man. Not like you know, it's
  • [9:21] Keith: No, I'm not. I'm not upset that these people are engaging in this. Sure, sure. Eso
  • [9:21] Keith: What?
  • [9:46] Mike: So the typical we can agree that the typical porn ends with the man ejaculating in or on the woman. That's sort of the standard plot. And if there are two men, maybe you don't watch. You haven't watched very much born with two men, But but it's pretty common to have a woman be ejaculated on by multiple men or in, I guess, but typically on. Right. Okay, that's pretty normal thing that that would be in the M f. M.
  • [9:47] Keith: What do you think in
  • [9:51] Mike: this situation is likely to be the end
  • [9:53] Mike: ending moment of this porn.
  • [9:59] Keith: I don't know if this is an excellent question. Have you Do you know? Do you know what happens? Sure.
  • [10:01] Mike: Look, I always like to do my research.
  • [10:04] Keith: I expect I expect
  • [10:06] Keith: Ah, boy.
  • [10:08] Keith: Yeah. Um
  • [10:18] Keith: I don't know. Look, I don't Yeah, I don't know enough about these guys a stick. I expect there's gonna be simultaneous. Maybe maybe maybe he
  • [10:20] Keith: one man comes on
  • [10:29] Keith: her face while the other man comes on a elaborate to set up. There's a timing issue. Um,
  • [10:31] Keith: I'm not sure. I don't know.
  • [10:37] Mike: Yeah, The typical thing that I've seen is, interestingly, that the man who is interested in the woman or and
  • [10:38] Keith: I'll, by the way, it also I guess
  • [10:53] Mike: it varies that another interesting question is like, you know, do the men alternate? Who's with the woman who is with the man, in other words, is one of them, like, exclusively gay? One of them is by Our house is working, and I think that varies. And the ones that I've seen, um
  • [11:06] Mike: on I should say, this is an area where I haven't done that much research, uh, compared to other areas of porn. But I've done a fair amount. I'm willing to I've done my share. I'm willing to admit that, um but
  • [11:09] Keith: what I've noticed is typically the final.
  • [11:14] Mike: The final climax is the man in or on a man?
  • [11:16] Mike: Yeah,
  • [11:17] Mike: in these scenes,
  • [11:22] Mike: so it's like somehow that is like the that's that's like the come shot of Mm mm.
  • [11:33] Keith: Okay. Is that what men want to see? Is that what gay men would prefer to see? Or is that like, who is this porn? Maybe it depends who the porn is guided for.
  • [11:33] Keith: I think there
  • [11:48] Mike: is. Ah. I mean, I've detected in my perusal of reddit a strong threat of men of bi curious men. And so I have to think that is ultimately what it's for, not women. Just because I think female consumption of porn is significantly lower.
  • [11:50] Keith: Yeah, and and I think
  • [11:59] Mike: that like, yeah, it makes some sense to me that, like, if you're a bi curious man like the thing that's going to amping up the most because it's the most, um,
  • [12:06] Mike: unusual. It's not. The thing that you would usually experience in life is going to be the male male part of it, Not the male female part,
  • [12:12] Mike: if that makes sense. So it kind of does make sense to me that that would be, like, kind of the the climb climactic scene?
  • [12:14] Keith: Yeah, I suppose.
  • [12:23] Keith: I suppose I was thinking I mean, this is Onley slightly related, but yeah. I mean, I wonder what the consumption of
  • [12:31] Keith: porn like, is there? Are there mortgage? Amen. Consuming porn than there are heterosexual women consuming porn.
  • [12:42] Mike: That's a great question. I don't know. I mean, there is, you know, you porn gay dot com. And as far as I know there is no Is that our porn hub? Gay? One of the two. There is no as far as I know. Like porn hub woman dog
  • [12:47] Keith: ladies. Yeah. Yeah. So All right. Well, these were
  • [12:49] Mike: I would have to go with gay men being higher.
  • [12:56] Keith: Yeah, I think you're probably right. But that implies there's, like, some massive difference between heterosexual women and heterosexual men and their
  • [13:02] Keith: well, I guess men, regardless of their sexuality, probably consume the same amount of part. All right. Anyway, uh,
  • [13:10] Keith: this first topic from Reddit today is mostly just silly, but I'm going to read it anyway. Um,
  • [13:14] Keith: this person complains that his girlfriend's fetish is getting expensive.
  • [14:24] Keith: She has a fetish where, among other things, she loves having her clothes ripped off, and I mean, genuinely Tauron off. Obviously, this means it's not exactly wearable anymore. And I don't know if you know this, but closer, Expensive It's not like she needs it to happen, but she doesn't come nearly as much, and she does come much faster. And she is noticeably mawr turned on When I do rip her clothes off, so I try to indulge her as much as I can. I suggested a few things. I went to Goodwill and bought a ton of cheap T shirts and leggings. But we both we burned through them already, and we're back to more expensive clothes. I suggested maybe just aggressively taking the clothes off while leaving them intact. But that doesn't work for her, tried just not doing it all. And again, it doesn't work for her. I've tried sewing them back up, but they don't think works on some of Jesus Way Aaron hemorrhaging money or anything. But collectively, we spent $600 on clothes in December. We could afford that sort of. But it's not sustainable, since we want to save for things we've been dating for four years now, and she's always done this. But we just moved in together in August, so we're having more sex than ever, and of course, tearing up more clothes than ever. This is one of the more expensive butts too, because we bought special clothes for Christmas. Christmas luxury was ridiculously expensive. I think you could see why this is a problem.
  • [14:32] Keith: Any suggestions for alternatives? This or a way to make a cheaper Said she doesn't want to stop or limit the amount we do, but I don't see any any other way.
  • [14:34] Keith: Ah,
  • [14:38] Keith: yeah. I mean, this is a conundrum. I don't I don't have any great advice for this guy.
  • [14:39] Keith: Well,
  • [14:43] Mike: I mean, they do have, like, tearaway close, right that I like Velcro in certain spots.
  • [14:52] Keith: Oh, well, okay, I know they have, like, athletic pants that, you know, button up the sides, and you could sort of, like, rip them off right when you're gonna come into the N b a game or whatever
  • [14:52] Keith: are
  • [14:59] Mike: they? I mean, they have, like, suits. I'm sure I'm sure. There. Yeah, because it would be like novelty clothes. And you could, like,
  • [15:02] Mike: you could imagine taking clothes and, like, I mean, this is stupid, like,
  • [15:06] Keith: just like this isn't That's not what she wants. She wants the
  • [15:10] Keith: the him not being able to restrain himself. That's that's what's turning around.
  • [15:14] Mike: Right? Right. they should. They should switch from that
  • [15:26] Mike: to, uh I'm getting some image of, like, ripping her pubic hair off. So it's like she lets it grow out. And then he and then he,
  • [15:31] Mike: instead of ripping, closed off, he just gets, um, like, waxing strips and just starts ripping her pubes off.
  • [15:37] Mike: Well, but it be the same kind of idea, right? He's like, I got to get in there. I got to get to that sweet vagina.
  • [15:47] Keith: Hairless vagina. Yeah, I'm guessing she's gonna veto that. Have you ever tried tearing clothes off of somebody?
  • [15:56] Mike: I mean, I know. I mean, if I have a a T shirt that gets a hole in it, I will sometimes rip it much bigger so that I don't accidentally wear the t shirt again.
  • [15:58] Keith: Well, that's kind of fun. Yeah.
  • [16:06] Mike: So I have that experience. They were like a pair of socks. The same thing, right. You just make a gigantic hole so he doesn't get pulled out of the trash by some well meaning person.
  • [16:13] Keith: Yeah, I know. Hulk Hogan used to always didn't. Wasn't that like his intro thing? He would rip his shirt off when he was
  • [16:16] Keith: I think it Waas. I have tried. I have tried.
  • [16:20] Keith: It's not It's not as easy as it looks
  • [16:30] Keith: you need You need to get a toehold with, like, you know, a whole or something and then but, like, just like if you like, if you just wear a t shirt or a shirt, you can't
  • [16:36] Keith: reliably just rip it apart now, Legans or, you know, stockings I could imagine. But
  • [16:41] Mike: so what? You've tried when you say you've tried, you mean you've tried to rip a woman's clothes off?
  • [17:00] Keith: No, I have not. Because actually, I'm trying to remember. I wonder if I have once and I've sort of, like repressed the memory because it was sort of embarrassing. I have this vision in my mind that it would be embarrassing if I did try, because what if you fail? It's like, Oh, yeah, here I come, baby. And then,
  • [17:14] Keith: you know, you're just, like, stuck and you, like, can't rip it like that's sort of pathetic, right? Like, you know what that to happen. I'm trying to wonder if I'm worried about that because it actually happened to me once. I can't remember specifically, uh,
  • [17:18] Keith: but I don't think This is a ZZ, as
  • [17:19] Keith: as it might seem,
  • [17:27] Mike: right? No, I suspect you're right. I mean, this doesn't This strikes me, is maybe not true. Like it's like something
  • [17:28] Mike: I'm not sure, but yeah,
  • [17:36] Keith: E Like, I went to Goodwill on a cheap T shirts and like it, but we went We burned through them already. I mean, that, like
  • [17:42] Mike: that also rings a little false to me because, I mean, honestly, like T shirts, A goodwill or not expensive, like you could probably
  • [17:45] Keith: get. Get 10 10 for $10 or something. Right?
  • [17:50] Mike: Something like that. Maybe even cheaper than that. I mean, if you don't care what they what they say on them, so I don't
  • [18:18] Keith: right now. Yeah, right. Okay. Well, good luck to that guy. I don't I don't know how he's gonna save money on that. All right. Next one. Not safe for work. Genuine question. Don't make fun of me. Me? This is a 16 year old female on my boyfriend of six year old male Have been dating for about a year now and we're starting to do sexual stuff. I'm on birth control. Don't worry. Uh huh. Genuine question, though. What happens to the come after a guy ejaculated and a girl Does it run back out or stay in there or what?
  • [18:22] Keith: The education system failed me. Help, please.
  • [18:25] Keith: The reason why I asked this is
  • [18:28] Keith: I actually don't really know
  • [18:42] Keith: what happens here. Okay, so let me let me explain what I understand and then you can sort of, like, step in and embellish with with with your knowledge. Okay, so you
  • [18:43] Keith: ejaculated.
  • [18:50] Keith: And there's some sort of area in the back of the vagina that
  • [18:58] Keith: the come is in. And then I remember in videos that come like swims or something, right? And it's like a race to the egg,
  • [19:02] Keith: like where is it like but
  • [19:18] Keith: like, what's what's happening there, like most of most of the journey has to be completed without, like, come swimming like it's not like if you pour come out on a table. It, like, slowly moves over time. Is that as the you know, sperm swims around
  • [19:20] Keith: like what's actually going on?
  • [19:26] Mike: Wait, so I mean, are you being serious here that you don't know what happens?
  • [19:28] Keith: Part of this is for effect.
  • [19:31] Keith: Here's what I don't understand what I don't understand
  • [19:34] Keith: like where?
  • [19:39] Keith: Yeah, like, Yeah, I guess I don't. Yeah, I think I actually don't know.
  • [19:45] Mike: But I mean, you practically speaking, you know that if you Well, okay, if you wear a condom, you know what happens, right?
  • [19:50] Mike: Yes. Or if you just beat off under your table with your
  • [20:10] Mike: paper towels on it. Yeah. You probably also noticed that, like, there's some sort of weird, like way that semen changes consistency over time. Like it? I can't remember exactly what it is, but it's sort of like Glocks up for a while. And then it turns more watery. I think. I think that's right. And, like, sort of becomes a little more solid for a while,
  • [20:14] Keith: I've noticed various levels of viscosity.
  • [20:17] Mike: Yeah, but no. But I think it actually changes. Like the
  • [20:31] Mike: Yeah, if you like, bust your load on a Petri dish. A Petri dish to the wrong place. But you know, something like a made of glass, you can watch it, you know, it'll become it'll congeal for a while. And then I think it I think it then becomes more fluid. I think that's right.
  • [20:35] Keith: It's something happening. It z the sperm dying.
  • [20:41] Mike: I don't think it has anything to do with the sperm. I think it has to do with, like, trying to, um,
  • [20:46] Mike: enable it to sort of remain in the vagina as long as possible to sort of, like, have a chance.
  • [20:53] Mike: Um, but like but either way, like if a woman sort of stands up, it comes out
  • [20:54] Mike: right?
  • [20:55] Keith: Yeah,
  • [21:01] Keith: but it doesn't mean I've I've had women complain that,
  • [21:09] Keith: you know, I'm, like, dripping out of them later. So it I think it, like, mostly comes out. But, like then it doesn't all come out. Sure,
  • [21:12] Mike: that makes sense, right? I mean, because it's not like
  • [21:29] Mike: there's no they don't have any real way to expel it. And so it's just like going to be up in there, and then it like, yeah, I mean, it's just some of it will run out, and some of it won't. And then the stuff that didn't run out will run out later, and then, Yeah, and then, I mean, the little sperm cells air, like in there somewhere, But they're not.
  • [21:33] Mike: I mean, they're not a meaningful percentage of the fluid, right.
  • [21:37] Mike: And you know that because when people get vasectomies the amount of semen they generate doesn't go down.
  • [21:41] Keith: Right? Right, right, right. Does it? Does it?
  • [21:42] Keith: Okay.
  • [21:47] Keith: Is there somewhere else that could go other than out?
  • [21:49] Mike: You mean like
  • [21:51] Mike: into the uterus to make a baby? Is that what you're talking
  • [21:55] Keith: about? Sure. But then does it. But then, like, Okay,
  • [21:57] Keith: it goes
  • [22:05] Keith: like I am extremely ignorant here. Like I feel like I need to see an anatomical drawing, but okay. You you orgasm
  • [22:13] Keith: on, then, Like if they do like a headstand, does it go into, like, another chamber and then just hang out there? When does it leave this chamber?
  • [22:27] Mike: I mean, I feel like this is a set of information you would have just from, like, maybe. How long are your fingers like? Are you able to reach the fullest depth of vagina? A typical vagina with your fingers while while fingering a girl?
  • [22:31] Mike: Yes. Okay. Yes, Yes, yes, yes. I have
  • [22:37] Keith: a big fingers. My fingers are I I have been told in the past that my fingers are
  • [22:38] Keith: long.
  • [22:56] Mike: Okay, so, you know, you put your finger in there and you're going, or finger or fingers, and you're going to feel her cervix, Right? Okay. So, like, that's, like, a cylindrical thing that's sort of in there. And like around that, there's space because, you know, there's simply space because, like, you have kind of a,
  • [23:01] Mike: um, area that's that has a thing.
  • [23:19] Mike: Well, I mean, it's just you basically have something I'm trying to think of. Ah, like, kind of like a pocket in there a vagina, right? With the cylindrical thing, like projecting into it. Right? And so, because of the projecting cylindrical thing, there is space sort of behind that cylindrical the cervix where, like, stuff could kind of, like, hang out, right.
  • [23:22] Mike: You could sort of imagine that, um
  • [23:41] Mike: and like, the cervix sort of obviously comes down from the top because that's where her body is. The rest of eso it has to like, the sperm have to go in there. And then there's, like, a little hole in the middle of that that, like, is the whole that the sperm try to go up in and the baby comes out later. If if you make a mistake.
  • [23:42] Mike: Right?
  • [23:43] Keith: Right.
  • [23:45] Keith: Okay. But
  • [23:47] Keith: okay. But how much?
  • [23:52] Keith: Let's say you you come 10 units of sperm.
  • [23:56] Keith: How many of those units can make it up the cervix. I
  • [24:02] Mike: think it's no. I think it's just the sperm cells that go up there. I don't think a meaningful amount of like the fluid goes up there is, by the
  • [24:07] Keith: way, all the fluid drips out. Eventually, it doesn't get I think that's absorbed or I'm sure
  • [24:15] Mike: some gets absorbed. Some gets, like, you know, kind of more or less like dries out in the same way that, like any fluid that you put in there, would whatever
  • [24:21] Keith: it would, you can't really evaporate. It's pretty moist in there. The humidity is high. That's true. That's
  • [24:34] Mike: true. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I wonder if people have, like, study that, like you could ejaculated, unknown or just whatever. Shoot a known quantity up there and then wait a while and see how much of it comes out. But I mean, like, naturally, like human tissues tend to absorb fluids.
  • [24:39] Mike: So, yeah, but I was gonna say that there's a There's a genre of porn
  • [24:47] Mike: that shows up sometimes on the bad, bad female anatomy. I think it's called Subreddit, which is Ah,
  • [24:53] Mike: it's it's It's like cartoon porn. It can't be riel assed. You'll see in a second where basically like
  • [24:57] Mike: a Penis enters the vagina and then, like it tends to be like, sort of
  • [25:04] Mike: anime kind of Asian porn. And then, like at the key moment when the Penis is about to ejaculate, it goes into the through the cervix.
  • [25:10] Keith: Oh, yes, yeah, there's this whole trope in animal. It's very common right in. The
  • [25:18] Mike: women are just like Are you kidding me? Like that would be really, really, really painful. Um, but you know, I'll say this, that as a man,
  • [25:21] Keith: it's a little bit compelling.
  • [25:25] Keith: Yeah, I think about just, like, totally impregnating right. Like there's
  • [25:28] Mike: a complete penetration you're like, even if it's painful,
  • [25:28] Keith: if you know
  • [26:03] Mike: what you know what it reminds me of. Actually, it reminds me of Deep Throat. It's like this thing where there's no way that she could possibly like doing it. It's but it's like, Yeah, but it's like I want to put it in the place. It's not supposed to go or frankly, anal is a little bit like that, too. So anyway, but no, I mean, like, naturally speaking like I don't think there's much that goes up there. And then if the woman is pregnant, there's some sort of like a mucus plug that forms in the cervix to basically prevent any communication with the outside world. And actually, probably during certain parts of her cycle cycle. It's like that, too. I'm not so sure about that, but I think like it's not always sort of quote unquote open.
  • [26:07] Keith: Okay. All right. So is the general answer here,
  • [26:09] Keith: it drips out.
  • [26:21] Mike: Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's like women sort of know that, right? It drips out. And like, they Yeah, this is the great thing about, like, not using a condom is you shift the responsibility for that from the man, which is the man has to let go. And
  • [26:26] Mike: by the way, like when you're using a condom with, uh, one of your
  • [26:29] Mike: female friends, when do you take it off?
  • [26:32] Mike: In other words, do you walk to the bathroom?
  • [26:45] Mike: Do you even walk to the bathroom? I don't know, but do you walk to the bathroom with a condom with sort of like the tip of it, Just like sort of swinging back and forth off the end of your cock? Or do you uh, do you take it off in the bed hoping there's some tissue there? Like, how do you handle that?
  • [26:47] Keith: Um,
  • [26:50] Keith: I usually I prefer to get rid of it
  • [26:51] Keith: because
  • [27:03] Keith: I don't like the smell of latex and stuff. So I would, you know, I wouldn't take it off in the bed and then wrap it in a Kleenex and like to leave that to the side of the bed like I would go to the bathroom or
  • [27:05] Keith: to my kitchen, where I also have a garbage can, too.
  • [27:09] Mike: So you do walk around with, like, this sort of tip of this thing swinging off the end of
  • [27:14] Keith: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. I mean, I might I might start taking it off.
  • [27:16] Keith: It depends. It depends.
  • [27:23] Keith: I think sometimes I would just, like, walk away with it on. Sometimes I would take it off pretty quickly after,
  • [27:27] Keith: uh, removing myself from her.
  • [27:27] Keith: Are you
  • [27:36] Mike: ever worried about two things? One is, uh do you then Because you said you don't like the smell of latex, and obviously you'd have that smell on your cock. Do you wash your cock?
  • [27:39] Keith: Yeah. Sometimes I'll
  • [27:43] Keith: get a paper towel and I'll wet it and clean off my deck a little bit.
  • [27:50] Mike: Okay? And then have you ever been in a situation where you felt the need to actually like, um,
  • [28:01] Mike: or the desire to hide your semen or somehow get rid of it out of the condom? Out of fear that, like the girl you were seeing might use the semen in a way you didn't expect her
  • [28:05] Keith: to know? I mean, you read about
  • [28:07] Mike: I don't mean drinking it. I don't mean drinking.
  • [28:18] Keith: You read about ballplayers doing this? Uh, is that right? Yeah. You know, people who worry that someone's having sex with them just toe try to impregnate themselves. Uh
  • [28:20] Keith: uh. I don't think I mean,
  • [28:24] Keith: would this even work? I mean, most, most condoms have, like,
  • [28:26] Keith: spermicidal
  • [28:30] Keith: lubricant or various sperm asides.
  • [28:33] Mike: I bet it could work. I mean, like, you know, a determined mind.
  • [28:52] Keith: Okay, fine. Let's play this out. All right? I I feel a condom. I put it in the waste basket. Uh, not the one in the bathroom, but they've won, you know, in the bedroom. And then I go to the bathroom, and she's like, Okay, I am going to try to impregnate myself with this berm now. Okay, What does she even dio?
  • [28:54] Mike: Well, it depends. Did you tie a knot in the condom?
  • [29:04] Keith: Nope. It's its's. Just hold it over so that there's no time wasted trying to get access to it. You could just pour it out into or onto whatever she wants to dio.
  • [29:04] Keith: I
  • [29:30] Mike: don't know what Super easy, right? She simply so So The condom is like a sock with the sort of negative impression of your Penis in it, right? So, like it's not, it hasn't been. It hasn't been inverted. It's it's got it's got a it's a reservoir has got to stop. Oh, this super easy. So what you do is she simply puts the mouth of the condom against her vagina, takes her finger and then just jams in it inverts the condom into her vagina. I'm pretty sure that would have a decent success, right? Like I mean, it would be, of course, much lower than having,
  • [29:32] Mike: um, things like intercourse
  • [29:35] Keith: doesn't get It doesn't get us far in as no,
  • [29:46] Mike: I'm thinking, because of like the spermicidal stuff and the fact there's a little bit of a time lag and you may be. Not as far. And although I bet you could get it pretty well in there, but I would I bet that would have a decent decent. Probably.
  • [29:47] Keith: I've always I've often
  • [30:00] Mike: not often. I've thought before that it's, you know, there's this trope of using a turkey baster, and I think we know some people that have done that like that. They're like, Yeah, you know, a lesbian couple were like, Yeah, we usedto they did it themselves, right? They had some guy ejaculated something. And then
  • [30:01] Keith: and I thought to
  • [30:07] Mike: myself like, Why do you even need a turkey baster? Like, can't you just sort of put it in a cup and pour it in?
  • [30:10] Keith: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, that's that's part of my question here, right? Like
  • [30:12] Mike: if you really increases the odds.
  • [30:23] Keith: Yeah, like, how deep does the sperm need to G O and Yeah, And does that materially affect the, you know, percentage chances of the outcome you're looking for?
  • [30:31] Mike: Yeah, I'm sure it affected. I'm sure it affect it, so yeah, the turkey baster is probably just to make it so they don't have toe do it. They do it a few times as possible.
  • [30:40] Keith: E mean, you've seen things where, like, people do headstands, right? Or e. I mean, I don't know if that's just like a sitcom trope, or if that's actually
  • [30:41] Keith: I'm
  • [30:51] Mike: sure I'm sure it's a trope. I'm sure that it because it would be difficult to like, have any riel studies about it About like, the efficacy of something like that. I think what matters a lot more is like, where in your cycle? Like whether you got it to
  • [30:58] Keith: coincide with. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, Alright. This person says, Why did
  • [31:08] Keith: why does feeling full feel so good? I just really like the feeling of something in me and locked down. I've been walking around with a tail in and the lush in I don't know what a tailor, Luscious. I'm gonna google.
  • [31:11] Mike: Come on, Keith. You don't know what a tale or lush
  • [31:19] Keith: is. You know what? Both is so great. I don't have to. Of course. All right, hold on, hold on. Hold your horses or a dildo in just casually around that around the house.
  • [31:25] Keith: It's almost a comforting feeling. Anyone else? Get this. Okay, so first off, What's a tail? And what's the lush? So a tale
  • [31:31] Mike: is simply a thing that goes up your butt that makes it so instead of having a butthole, you have, like, a fox tail.
  • [31:36] Keith: It s so it's a but plug that has a tail coming off of it. I
  • [31:46] Mike: mean, that's my interpretation of what? And I assume this is a woman means by that, uh, my Google sex tail Sure, it would be tail tail, but plug something like that.
  • [31:50] Keith: OK? Eso these air all butt plugs that have
  • [31:51] Keith: ah,
  • [31:57] Keith: is there a different screen up? But plug in a vaginal. Is there a vaginal plug? Is that a thing?
  • [32:08] Mike: Not so much, because it doesn't grip the same way. And so it wouldn't. I mean, it would have to be fairly large to stay put and also like, normally, the point of, like almost all of the point of a But plug has to do with, like,
  • [32:17] Mike: the purported claim that they like some fullness there. But I think a lot of it is just like aesthetic, right? They want to sort of ITT's like porn. Where you have they put a little jewell there something to hide their
  • [32:22] Keith: honest. I have another question, but can you tell me what a lush is first? Yeah.
  • [32:23] Mike: Okay.
  • [32:34] Mike: So I'm only I only have, like, 90 or 80% certainty on this one, but I'm pretty sure Lush is the vibrator they use on chatter. Bait? That's like this pink thing that, like, vibrates by Bluetooth or whatever.
  • [32:41] Mike: Right? So, like, basically, Oh, somebody gave, you know, 22 tokens. It's gonna vibrate in three second pulses for the next 20
  • [32:46] Keith: seconds, but does does a lot. Did
  • [32:47] Mike: you look it up? Yes.
  • [32:52] Keith: Does a lush mean that this must be a female talking?
  • [32:54] Mike: I mean,
  • [33:06] Mike: I'm like, No, no, but yes. I mean, no. You know, like I mean, could could there. Like, I'm trying to think when you if you go on chatter bait or another campsite and you go to the men's section, which is something I dio
  • [33:07] Mike: most Well,
  • [33:15] Mike: I do it for fun. I do it to amuse myself. I don't actually do it for, like, uh, the real purpose that I'm there for typically. But
  • [33:24] Mike: I don't think you ever see a man with something of his. But the men stuff is always just beating off. And it's always some dude with an enormous Penis.
  • [33:35] Keith: Okay. All right. So, OK, but the tail is a but plug and a lush and a dildo, which he also says is
  • [33:37] Keith: it goes in the vagina. And this person
  • [33:42] Mike: is almost certainly a cam girl, because I don't know why anybody else would have a
  • [33:47] Keith: lot. Maybe maybe,
  • [33:48] Keith: Yeah, because
  • [33:59] Mike: the whole point of it is to, like, react to some event that came over the Internet. And so, like, yeah, I know that they're people that do this like games with remote control vibrators and, you know, like, Oh, we're gonna go to the pizza parlor and
  • [34:09] Keith: it's discreet public play. Yeah, it's not impossible. Her and, uh, yeah, you can understand that
  • [34:17] Mike: my exposure to it has been 100% on campsite, so I can't like you can't, like, sign a paper saying no women do that.
  • [34:22] Keith: Okay. Why would this person do this?
  • [34:24] Keith: Um,
  • [34:25] Keith: well, I mean,
  • [34:34] Keith: let's all right, set aside the like butt plug thing. I know why people were butt plugs. There's various reasons for that. But
  • [34:39] Keith: she says she she just wears a dildo and casually just around the house.
  • [34:40] Keith: Yeah.
  • [34:45] Mike: I mean, I'm not the answer. Can't just be that it's a cam girl looking for effectively advertising.
  • [34:53] Keith: Yeah, this this says just casually around the house and they deleted their account. So huh, you know,
  • [34:58] Mike: maybe she picked up her viewers that she wanted to get from that.
  • [35:06] Keith: You know? You know, when you post something like this to read it, your inbox just gets obliterated with perverted dudes. That's true. So but that
  • [35:11] Mike: could have been Well, yeah. And actually, if it were a cam girl,
  • [35:20] Mike: right, she might not have deleted it, because you might have wanted. So in fact, the fact that it's deleted actually slightly makes me think less likely that it's a camp girl, but it's hard toe.
  • [35:24] Mike: Anyway. Look, they're people. They're people that have finishes around this stuff. I mean, like,
  • [35:28] Mike: uh, look, it's a little difficult Thio
  • [35:37] Mike: to know, but, I mean, you certainly read stories of women like getting vibrated on the subway or whatever and having orgasms and stuff. Maybe she has that kind of a fetish
  • [35:38] Mike: like
  • [35:39] Mike: public fetish.
  • [35:43] Keith: Yeah, I guess. I mean
  • [35:43] Keith: e I mean, you
  • [35:56] Mike: understand the physical physical gratification part of it. Surely? I mean, it would be like, Well, there's no male analog, really. But it would be like if there was some way for you to walk around with, like, the some weird codpiece that no one could notice. That was just beating you off all the time in like,
  • [35:59] Mike: yeah, if you went thio some like
  • [36:08] Mike: Southern California beach Town and we're just hanging out on the beach and you could just wander around and have something beating you off while you check out the girls. That could be kind of cool, right?
  • [36:09] Keith: I suppose.
  • [36:20] Keith: E Okay, listen, here's what I don't understand about this. This person, it's like just casually around the house implies that it's just
  • [36:24] Keith: some. It's like a feeling that she enjoys
  • [36:31] Keith: on her own. And it's independent of the like, taboo nous of it or any of that. It's like some sort of
  • [36:36] Keith: like, I guess, yeah, is she just looking to keep herself in, like, low grade arousal?
  • [36:36] Keith: That
  • [36:44] Mike: could be You're right. I I started mansplaining without listening to the full context. You around the house that's hard to understand.
  • [36:46] Mike: Yeah, like I mean,
  • [36:50] Mike: I think that male or female just sitting there aroused all day long starts to hurt.
  • [36:55] Keith: Well, what's the What's the analog here? Would it be like wearing a cock ring?
  • [36:58] Keith: I just wear Cochran around my house. I think it would
  • [37:04] Mike: be hard to maintain an erection unless you're, like, sort of a little bit concentrated on something
  • [37:09] Mike: arousing, right? I mean, like, I don't I don't think there is a thing that would keep a guy aroused all the time like that.
  • [37:15] Keith: You know, a cock ring slows down how quickly you lose arousal or yeah, you
  • [37:22] Mike: lose your sense, you lose. Yeah, but I mean I mean, my idea for a codpiece masturbator tool
  • [37:27] Mike: seems possible. Also, don't forget that a man could wear a tail.
  • [37:32] Mike: Do you think that, like, if if you showed up to a date with a tail
  • [37:35] Mike: that would change, it probably wouldn't go well, right?
  • [37:39] Keith: When did they find out? I mean, when did they find out about it?
  • [37:44] Mike: Onley. When they have access to Uranus. So you've probably right already cracked the code by then. Did
  • [38:02] Keith: you imagine that like you're I mean, look, women have to go through so much with any kind of like new male sexual partner, right? Like there's all these things that they could do that air weird. But yeah, like, you know, he takes his jeans off and he's wearing an anal tail. Mhm. It's like
  • [38:02] Keith: it's
  • [38:07] Mike: on the more unusual side. Yeah, I think that the Mawr common thing is just
  • [38:12] Mike: how the more common things that women have to deal with just the boring things of, like, the guy just being a schmuck.
  • [38:28] Keith: Sure, sure, sure, But like, what is the man even say? He's like, Oh, yeah. You know, that old thing? Don't Don't mind that. Like what? What is he He says that baby. Yeah, what's his excuse? For? While that's a normal thing to wear on a first date,
  • [38:29] Mike: I forgot I was a sloth
  • [38:37] Keith: today. Yeah, Okay, alright. Next. So this person says, um,
  • [38:57] Keith: we'll see what conversation comes from this, uh, sexual pet peeve. Men do not apologize for orgasm ing too soon. During sex, you were enjoying yourself and you still have fingers. Every time I feel a guy orgasm ing, I feel so powerful. Then for some reason, no matter how long they actually lasted outcomes some kind of apology for how they usually aren't like this or sorry.
  • [39:21] Keith: An apology and guilt is literally the last thing I want to hear from a guy who just came from my actions when I'm still hello riled up and fuzzy, It's an instant turn off and kills. My enjoyment of the afterglow were still ongoing. Sexual moment. I know that for some reason, society focuses the entire active sex on just Penis insertion into vaginas and shames man for not withholding their orgasm. This is wrong and bad. The correct response is to immediately reached down and start rubbing the clip
  • [39:36] Keith: of who you are with if you really feel you came sooner than you'd like And she didn't get off if you came, I'm sure she would love to hear how her pussy got you off so quick and how good she is. As you do this, not one woman is going to complain about this.
  • [39:42] Keith: If you aren't up to it in your instant post orgasmic bliss, give it 20 minutes ago again. All right.
  • [39:48] Keith: She goes on and talks about you know, the stereotype of women being annoyed and blah, blah, blah. OK,
  • [39:50] Keith: I don't
  • [39:53] Keith: I'm not sure I agree that
  • [40:00] Keith: if 100% of the time after I orgasm by immediately went down and started
  • [40:03] Keith: rubbing her clit, that that would be well received.
  • [40:16] Mike: Well, it has. Importantly, it has to be that she hasn't and with you that would be difficult, because typically, she would have had 5 to 10 orgasms. But then, yeah, so it be hard. It's hard to imagine, but I
  • [40:19] Keith: think it's hypothetical for me. But
  • [40:26] Mike: I understand the gist of what she's saying. I understand the gist is something like, the gist is like basically, the guy
  • [40:39] Mike: came after, like, three minutes like that. Z, I think the important use case here. Well, okay, I wanted there's a separate case that I'd like to get to, but yeah, so in that case, he's basically like,
  • [40:54] Mike: Yeah, I mean, like he has. He's become unavailable for a set of activities that she might find enjoyable. Um and no, I mean and I hear her point, her points like, look, there are other activities. We can do that enjoyable, and so you don't really need to apologize. And also like
  • [40:56] Mike: like, it's
  • [40:58] Mike: it's a weird thing to, you know, it's like,
  • [41:06] Mike: um, I think that things like saying I'm sorry, work in the woman's brain Similarly, to a man saying Thank you,
  • [41:13] Mike: which is it's sort of like thrives, an emotional wedge between them in that situation that women don't like. Does that make sense?
  • [41:15] Keith: I've
  • [41:23] Keith: I think when I was younger, I would say things like, Thank you and yeah, it's not what they want to hear Yeah,
  • [41:28] Mike: because it makes them feel like it's not a shared experience. It's like a thing they gave you. Now that being said, I think
  • [41:36] Keith: and sorry sorry is like, yeah, I mean it it you're emasculating yourself and it's sort of
  • [41:38] Keith: pathetic. And it's
  • [41:40] Mike: not interesting to like
  • [42:02] Mike: toe orgasm immediately start like critiquing yourself to be like, Man, that wasn't one of my best. I'm just terrible, like, I just I just couldn't you know, I usually like to do this and that, and I just couldn't get anywhere. You know, that would be kind of funny. Self analysis, E um the the other thing that I wanted to bring up with this is that
  • [42:10] Mike: you know, So Okay, so the normal thing here is he's apologizing because his Penis is no longer erect and available. Right? Um
  • [42:12] Mike: ah.
  • [42:20] Mike: However, there is a separate reason you could be apologizing here That maybe the woman wouldn't be is aware of, which is simply the fact that, like,
  • [42:30] Mike: he could be apologizing because of the fact that he orgasm. And this is totally true for me is going to make it so His behavior for a while is not gonna be as enthusiastic as it would have been.
  • [42:36] Mike: Yeah, like he's not like so it's like, Oh, just, uh, just rub me or like me or whatever. And it's like, Yeah, but I don't want
  • [42:39] Keith: Thio Women relate to that experience.
  • [42:43] Mike: I think it's challenging. Although, you know, I think there are some women that are one and done right.
  • [42:47] Keith: They are, but I don't think they have.
  • [42:51] Keith: Their experience of post nut clarity is different.
  • [42:53] Keith: For sure
  • [42:54] Keith: they don't
  • [42:56] Keith: they don't get,
  • [43:10] Keith: uh I don't know if repulsed is the word, but yeah, like things that, like moments ago you were obsessed with suddenly become way less compelling. And I'm not sure if there's a cliff like that for women like there
  • [43:14] Mike: is definitely not No, no. I mean, for a guy, it's like, look
  • [43:29] Mike: you have the orgasm and it's like, Yes, she hasn't yet. So it's like, OK, I am supposed to do this thing But I would much rather like go on the Internet and like posts, um, stuff on Reddit like That's what I actually want to be doing for the next, like, 15 minutes on DSO. She's going to get this kind of
  • [43:37] Mike: low intensity. I mean, you know, he can fake it, but it's so honestly, he could also be apologizing to himself. He's like, Fuck now I've created this predicament for
  • [43:44] Keith: myself where I ever by where I either come off as selfish or
  • [43:46] Keith: I have to do this thing that I don't really want to dio.
  • [43:52] Mike: Well, it's the second one typically, right, because you're like, you don't wanna be. You don't wanna come up. It's selfish because then that
  • [43:53] Keith: well, I don't
  • [43:58] Mike: know. I guess guys would do that, but typically that's gonna lower your probability of getting sex the way you want it,
  • [44:06] Keith: Sure, but I think like long term couples like the dudes normally like Sorry, Well, I mean the stereotype is he rolls over and falls asleep, right?
  • [44:13] Mike: Sure, that's true. That's true But I mean, like, if the woman clearly wants it to continue,
  • [44:14] Mike: then she could make
  • [44:18] Keith: that in an earlier sexual encounter,
  • [44:19] Keith: right? Like she
  • [44:21] Mike: might in any sexual encounter, right?
  • [44:22] Keith: Sure. Sure, Sure, sure,
  • [44:30] Keith: Yeah. It gets collectively bargained after you've had sex 100 times. Like there's sort of, like a set of expectations when various things happened
  • [44:43] Keith: become mutual understandings. But yeah, in earlier sexual encounters. Uh, yeah. I mean, she has no idea what you normally do or like, what's normal or what's to be expected. And so,
  • [45:00] Keith: uh, yeah, like like if you're having sex with someone for the first time, you last for a period of time. That is clearly not as long as typically accepted. Two minutes, whatever. And you just roll over and say sorry like that's gonna That's gonna
  • [45:02] Keith: not
  • [45:06] Keith: give you good odds of having sex again. Or what Have you found that to be
  • [45:11] Mike: the case like there's a There's some sort of a mathematical equation that you more or less could do to show,
  • [45:14] Mike: like the first time it's 50% is long or 25% of
  • [45:18] Keith: I don't know. I mean, you would have to dio enormous
  • [45:20] Keith: control studies here, but
  • [45:23] Keith: no, I'm asking for you personally.
  • [45:29] Keith: No, I'm too obsessed with like, seeming like a giving lover too,
  • [45:30] Keith: like,
  • [45:31] Mike: yeah, but
  • [45:36] Mike: But if you're Mawr excited, you're more aroused. I mean, there's, like, this natural thing where a guy is
  • [45:43] Mike: particularly aroused when he has a new partner. And so, like, you find that that, like, might make it more difficult for you to sort of hold back from
  • [45:45] Keith: Nutting
  • [45:54] Keith: Should never happen. That's what I mean. So it's gonna be fast. I've It's happened in my life where I have orgasms before I would have liked,
  • [45:56] Keith: uh, what's the question beyond that?
  • [46:01] Mike: Oh, I was just sort of wondering if there's some sort of ratio, like the first time it takes half a long or
  • [46:06] Keith: typical. Oh, gosh, I've have no idea. I mean,
  • [46:13] Keith: yeah, I mean, early sexual encounters are usually pretty good. Yeah. I mean, you might want to just like a brilliant way to figure
  • [46:21] Mike: this kind of stuff out might be Thio you could consider, like keeping I don't know, like a spreadsheet of the people you have sex with and then writing these things down. So then you have the data later.
  • [46:23] Keith: What would I write? Well, what I track.
  • [46:24] Keith: Well,
  • [46:29] Mike: I mean, you know, the time toe orgasm for each of the first say, and
  • [46:31] Mike: sex, uh, encounters.
  • [46:34] Keith: How would you propose I measure that time?
  • [46:42] Keith: E don't know. Stopwatch. Yeah, I could. Okay, so that's obviously impractical, but E
  • [46:54] Keith: Okay, now we're talking, Um, you get a next camera, get a clock in my room that, you know, like those digital clocks that you know, I could note the minute. Anyway,
  • [46:56] Keith: I don't know.
  • [46:56] Keith: You
  • [47:07] Mike: could just You could you could use your you could use, like, an Amazon echo device. So you'd be like, Alexa, begin fucking Alexa orgasm.
  • [47:10] Keith: Oh,
  • [47:23] Keith: yeah. I could write some software, actually. Alexis stop. E could write some software with my own. What do they call the voice? Things on the Amazon echo
  • [47:47] Keith: Talents or skills? Yeah, my own. That does this, right, Keith? Yeah. Yeah, like dozens or hundreds of partners before you would see, because we just get over over overwhelmed by one, right? Like what if you have one partner where you have sex or you, you know, you orgasm after 30 seconds. Well, you know,
  • [47:54] Mike: then she's the one that's the one for you is the one that gets you the lowest first orgasm.
  • [47:55] Mike: Yeah, what you
  • [47:58] Keith: really want is the median. Uh,
  • [47:59] Mike: it's probably right.
  • [48:03] Mike: Yeah, The longest is bad.
  • [48:05] Keith: Okay,
  • [48:08] Keith: right. Yeah, that does not. That does not bode well. I mean, a woman that's true,
  • [48:19] Mike: actually, that a woman like, if anything and particularly in early sexual encounter a woman should be much more worried about that about it. Taking the guy, like, 20 minutes. I mean, it could just be beat off earlier, but
  • [48:26] Keith: yeah, well, and I think often times in early sexual encounters, people are more drunk than they might be. Typically,
  • [48:30] Keith: that's a good point. Alcohol, the social lubricant. And
  • [48:37] Keith: so that could be playing a factor or e People think other drugs to you, right? Cocaine. And I don't know.
  • [48:38] Mike: It might speed it up. I don't know.
  • [48:42] Keith: I don't know how Cocaine effects
  • [48:46] Keith: or dazzling neither.
  • [48:48] Keith: Anyway, I just think it's interesting that
  • [48:52] Keith: I mean, we've We've touched on this before, and it's not like a brilliant
  • [48:55] Keith: insight, but yeah, like, men have this cliff.
  • [49:00] Keith: And there's this expectation or this woman Is
  • [49:04] Keith: this woman saying like, oh, It's totally fine like you just you could just masturbate me.
  • [49:12] Keith: Um, yeah, she's She's not understanding that.
  • [49:16] Mike: Yeah, I mean the way for a woman to understand that it's something like,
  • [49:29] Mike: Look, for the from the guy's perspective. At that point, it's not really that different than like, let's say you to goto Ah, movie together and, you know, you just sit in your seats and the dude just zips on, zips and pulls his cock. And he's like, Just master, baby.
  • [49:42] Mike: It's like, Sure you can. But you're like the guy doesn't want to anymore. It's like it's he's not in the mood anymore. And that's the thing, like and so, yeah, I think it's a difficult for women to understand. It's like, Well, but we just did this other thing, and it's like, Yeah, I know it's weird, huh?
  • [50:01] Keith: Yeah, yeah. I mean that that cliff really is an amazing part of human. Like our body does all these things right? Like as you eat, you get, like, more and more full. And you you stop feeling hungry when you go into, like, a cold room or a hot room. You get this sort of
  • [50:09] Keith: function of you know how long it takes you to start feeling warm and then hot and then, like, dangerously uncomfortably hot. But
  • [50:21] Keith: yeah, like your change in interest in, ah, female sexual organs Changes like on the order of milliseconds. Like after an orgasm. It's so fast. I mean it
  • [50:28] Mike: Z like the the the canonical one that I've seen is, uh ah,
  • [50:35] Mike: men who basically like things involving semen, like men who will report on the sex subreddit
  • [50:50] Mike: that like it like there is no time Like once a single drop of semen has come out of their Penis like they're not interested in, like they they're not. They're they're they're discussed, reflects comes back. So it's literally during the orgasm that it comes back, like like And
  • [50:51] Keith: that's actually if you think
  • [51:00] Mike: about it, in some ways, that's true, like your your nutting and at the beginning of the organism, you're like, Oh, yeah, you know, take it. But then, like in the middle of it, you're like, uh, this isn't getting grossed out by
  • [51:03] Keith: myself. It is an emotional feeling.
  • [51:07] Mike: Pleasures, you don't care. But there is an emotional change literally in the middle of it.
  • [51:10] Keith: Yeah, it's
  • [51:25] Keith: you know, like the Venus flytrap, like, you know, closes like, you know, they use these, like high speed cameras to show, like how quickly it operates. Like the Yeah, the one thing that humans have that, like operates that quickly is how quickly they lose interested in in women after an orgasm. It's
  • [51:33] Mike: Yeah. If there was a drug that stopped that, I wonder what behaviors you get at him. I mean, the main one that I have to think is that you would not thio
  • [51:39] Mike: keep bringing it up. But I think I think the main when you would get us guys doing stuff with their own semen.
  • [51:43] Mike: I'm not sure if there's another one, but like that, I think if you had a drug op to post not clarity,
  • [52:01] Keith: do you remember that guy talking about? He wanted to taste his own semen and he was really struggling. But yeah, like his main trick was to consume it as quickly as possible after it admitted because yeah, like every moment that passes, it becomes exponentially more disgusting. But it's like, I mean, it's so strange. It's like
  • [52:08] Mike: you look, if you don't want to do something that just don't do it like, you know, But I just want to I've got I've got this fantasy. It's like,
  • [52:18] Keith: you know, I mean intellectually curious and knowing what my own semen tastes like. I just can't get over the discussed aspect. Yeah, it's some way to do that.
  • [52:28] Mike: Oh, that's easy. The way you deal with that, if you want to do it for science and this is what I've done, I've never like, you know, taste it. You simply wait, like five minutes. Mhm,
  • [52:29] Mike: I know, but it
  • [52:34] Keith: just doesn't matter. It's like looking old parent like yeah cares.
  • [52:35] Keith: Yeah, like the
  • [52:47] Mike: discussed is much lower. Five minutes later, you just don't care. Whatever it's like, it's like you're Yes, it would be like if you had blown your nose. This is Yeah, this is it. You blow your nose in a Kleenex. Yeah,
  • [52:55] Mike: you know it's yours, though it's not. There's no possible way. It's somebody else's Kleenex on. Five minutes later, you have to, like, taste some of it like you could do it.
  • [52:58] Mike: It's not great. Could you know, not
  • [53:02] Keith: taste. I feel like it's just
  • [53:06] Keith: I really don't want toe. It's pretty profound.
  • [53:10] Keith: A version. Yes, that surprisingly, that zone.
  • [53:13] Mike: That's why that's not like part of the masturbation play of the vast majority
  • [53:32] Keith: of No. Zero poop, right? Like I've never eaten my own poop. I've never come close to meeting my own poop like I actively avoided as hard as I possibly can, even though, you know, I interact with it basically every day. And so, yeah, it's the same. You know what I'm just saying? Like,
  • [53:40] Keith: you know, you might say, like, Oh, there's so many opportunities you must have at some point it's like now I really have never tasted my own shit. There's
  • [53:57] Mike: a There's a strong reason for people to have an aversion to that. There's much less strong reason having a version of semen, like for poop like it's actually a health, like in the wild human that meets their own poop is probably going to die. Maybe not. It's not great for you, though I realized that lots of animals eat their own poop, so whatever, what's
  • [54:18] Keith: going great for them? Okay, All right, well, let's do one more topic. So this'll person says. Boyfriend told me he likes it on Lee. When I'm shaved, I'm feeling really sensitive about my hair. Now what do I dio? Fortunately, I'm a really hairy girl, and I mostly keep things trimmed because it's easier. Occasionally for fun. I shave, but not often. My boyfriend told me those were the days he really loves how I look and he would love
  • [54:19] Keith: it.
  • [54:36] Keith: It this grammar, he would love it if I if she did it more often, I'm sure he was holding back. For some reason, he blurted the truth out this weekend. What do I dio e feel? Real sent? Really? I feel really sensitive about what I do to keep myself groom. Shaving daily is hard That leads to ingrown hair. So that's tough.
  • [54:38] Keith: Okay,
  • [54:47] Keith: Yeah, that's that sucks for her that, like the current male beauty standard, is, uh, almost completely shaved.
  • [54:52] Mike: I saw I saw a posting on the sex subreddit within the last week
  • [54:59] Mike: of Ah, girl. Must it mean woman but very young woman who said that her boyfriend
  • [55:06] Mike: was confused by the fact that she had to shave or whatever she had to deal with hair like constantly
  • [55:12] Mike: that he, like, basically had thought because of like how he's socialized around the stuff. He thought that, like,
  • [55:27] Mike: um, trying to think like that, it would be something akin to, like the mustache of, like, a 14 year old boy you are, or something like that, where it's like, you know, or maybe like, eyelashes or eyebrows like they don't grow that maybe they dio you know what I mean? Like something that doesn't grow quite is rapidly.
  • [55:32] Keith: There are, ah, lot of thick hair follicles down there. And the
  • [55:35] Keith: machinations that women go through to
  • [55:39] Keith: simulate that that is not the case is,
  • [55:43] Keith: uh, pretty interesting. Um, e
  • [55:51] Mike: I mean, there is ah, laser hair removal. I don't know really what the deal is with that, but like that, maybe that's like,
  • [55:54] Mike: I think it's expensive and maybe people don't want to do something. I
  • [55:58] Keith: guess it. Is it permanent? I'm not sure. I think it's
  • [56:04] Keith: mostly permanent. I've dated some women who have had that procedure done.
  • [56:05] Keith: Yeah,
  • [56:10] Mike: I was there any. Could you could you detect in any way, like was there any sort of scarring or something that told you that that had happened?
  • [56:13] Keith: No. There was no scarring. Some had, like,
  • [56:18] Keith: you have to go for, like, six or 10 sessions. Yeah,
  • [56:24] Keith: they're a little bit pricey. And so some people do like three, and then they, you know,
  • [56:28] Keith: get the word or you run out of funding for the project is
  • [56:30] Mike: gonna be money, not board, but yeah,
  • [56:32] Keith: whatever it is, right. And
  • [56:35] Keith: Ah,
  • [56:38] Keith: yeah. So they'll still have
  • [56:41] Keith: some pubic hair. Um,
  • [56:44] Keith: I don't remember. What was the question?
  • [56:47] Mike: Oh, I was asking you if there was any sort of tell tale. Uh,
  • [56:52] Keith: no. No. I told you, tell if someone's
  • [56:55] Keith: hair has been lazed or not.
  • [57:14] Mike: But now I'm curious about these women who have had it partially done. Now, when they have a partially done, is it like, Is it sort of like a guy who hasn't used his Rogaine like a guy who's got male pattern baldness where there's like, No, actually, that's a bad example. Well, okay. Is it just thinning, or is there actually like an area where it's gone, like, do they do they do they say, Okay, today we're going to remove the left side.
  • [57:40] Keith: What happens is, you know, I don't know what the numbers are, but let's say you have, like, ah, 1000 follicles per inch or whatever I think like after your first laser, you know it's 900 then it's then it's 800 then it's 700 then it's 600. So it would. It would be less dense, but it's not less dense in a way that's like, really noticeable, because there's like people have different densities of follicles anyway. So, yeah, I can't really tell
  • [57:42] Keith: based on
  • [57:45] Keith: anything like, I don't have any heuristics to tell whether someone's head. If that's the
  • [57:49] Mike: way it works, then that would suggest to me,
  • [57:55] Mike: Yeah, maybe not. I was going to say there's some odds that, like you'll always wind up with some follicle. So even if you've done
  • [58:02] Keith: it 10 times, I feel like after 10 years, especially I don't know how hair follicle creation even works. But
  • [58:06] Keith: yeah, I bet, like over time it slowly comes back.
  • [58:15] Mike: That's interesting. You think I should look that up? Yeah, I'll be interesting to know if they I mean, I I find it. I mean just the notion of women going
  • [58:18] Mike: all the time to get waxed, for example, I find like
  • [58:21] Mike: that's amazing, like That's Ah,
  • [58:27] Mike: that's a thing that's not at all in my life. That's sort of like this painful, lame thing.
  • [58:31] Mike: It's like, hard to believe that the like. Such a large percentage of people would go do that.
  • [58:39] Keith: Yeah, it's basically all women. It's not all, but, I mean, it's 80 plus percent.
  • [58:45] Keith: Yeah, they've done a great job selling experience. Who's who's a big waxing
  • [58:50] Mike: waxing industry? Yeah. I mean, the look. It's I mean, yeah, they make a lot of money off of that,
  • [58:56] Keith: right? E Guess so. You have anything else you wanna add here, Mike?
  • [58:58] Keith: Uh, I don't
  • [59:04] Mike: think so. I mean, I think, Yeah, like that's just the way that's the way it is. They have to, although, I mean, you do see,
  • [59:04] Keith: there's kind of
  • [59:16] Mike: like a pendulum that swings back and forth a little on it on pubic hair on porn. So you sometimes seem or sometimes see less. But generally speaking like it's it's just one of these things were like
  • [59:21] Mike: and I don't really think it's necessarily the fault of men. I think it's just that like Look,
  • [59:24] Mike: uh,
  • [59:30] Mike: I'm hesitant to say this totally authoritatively. It basically, on a woman like less hair looks better.
  • [59:36] Mike: Um, maybe it's its's obviously culturally defined as a thing. And so the thing is, there's like this arms race where it's like, you know,
  • [59:56] Mike: if one woman does it, then the next woman is going to do it because she wants to look as good at least as good as the first woman. And so it sort of isn't I'm not sure. I mean, I guess that's mediated by the male gaze, but I don't think it's enforced by men. It's not like, um, you know, guys like you. What's wrong with you? It's Mauritz. It happens without that.
  • [60:00] Keith: Yeah, I don't know who the taste makers Who
  • [60:01] Keith: Uh huh
  • [60:06] Keith: convince or who decide what?
  • [60:08] Keith: You know, Pubic hair
  • [60:39] Keith: arrangements are interesting. I mean, you know, think about think about, like pedicures and manicures like I don't think men care about that at all. Um, I mean, if a woman has disgusting fingernails, that that would be gross. But I don't know if I've even ever encountered that. And then, like all this stuff that women do toe like, you know, manage their follicles and stuff, I don't think men care about that. Also, that's an example of like something that women care about that I don't think is imposed by men. And I don't know. I don't know what's going on with pubic hair. I think I think,
  • [60:40] Keith: Yeah, somewhere. But I think
  • [60:50] Mike: that like I mean, let's But if you're being honest with yourself, like if you are on whatever third date with a new potential girlfriend
  • [61:03] Mike: and you have not yet seen her pubic area like and somebody said, Hey, you know, this is like we live in Magic Town Westworld, whatever. And you get to pick whether there's pubic hair or not, you're going to pick Not right? Yeah.
  • [61:04] Mike: Yeah.
  • [61:10] Mike: So I mean, partly it's because you shave your balls, and so you want them to sort of slap nicely
  • [61:24] Keith: again. Wonder if I wonder if you know I had grown up. Yeah. I mean, I I definitely prefer it. I'd have to think about, you know, if I had to think about if you I was gonna write, like, a list of reasons why I prefer it. But you would
  • [61:28] Mike: feel annoyed if she didn't given all the work you do on your nut sack.
  • [61:48] Keith: That's right. Yeah, I do. My grooming. What did she should do? her. Exactly. And you attained if I grew up in a jungle. And, you know, I was presented with this option. Yeah, like, is it Do I Do I prefer less hair because I've been socialized to think that. Or is that like
  • [61:48] Keith: Okay,
  • [61:56] Mike: so I know the answer to that. You prefer less hair because it makes her look more like a young woman. It looks younger. That's why
  • [62:03] Keith: I like so, yes, I think you would. What is okay? Doesn't make them look younger. If there's no hair. Yes,
  • [62:05] Keith: Why?
  • [62:14] Keith: Because Children don't have pubic hair. But I don't think I mean, I'm not attracted to prepubescent people in any other aspect. That's
  • [62:32] Mike: true. It's not that it's zits like the youth signaling so like it, like basically, all things isn't totally true. But a large percentage of female makeup is designed to basically look like a young toe look young. And that's what the ballgame is for. The most part is
  • [62:41] Keith: about that, but I feel like that's aiming more at like, you know, early twenties, kind of young looking, as opposed to
  • [62:42] Keith: I don't know if you have these things
  • [62:44] Mike: were complicated.
  • [62:50] Mike: That's no I hear what you're saying. You're saying, Look, a early twenties woman will have a full head of pubic hair or full
  • [63:08] Keith: like I don't like just playing the extremes like yeah, like like a woman who, like has like a pacifier in her mouth isn't attractive, even though it's like a youth single is okay, right? Like like I don't It seems strange that I mean, I admit that I definitely think that less hair is more attractive. I'm just trying to understand what's going in my brain.
  • [63:17] Mike: So passive fire is like the problem of the pacifiers is not subconscious. It's like something where you would have to know our culture. But like, for example, a woman who, like,
  • [63:31] Mike: is kind of petite and like has the right sort of like there's all these things that, like, kind of resemble child likeness that I think are relevant to to sort of the subconscious attract attraction. A man has sort of woman, and I think that
  • [63:33] Keith: all matters.
  • [63:50] Keith: Yeah, I think that's all right. Okay. All right. Before we get into any trouble, I'm gonna wrap. So that'll do it for Episode 26 of your mileage may vary. Reminder. We pay $15 for feedback sent to Y m m. The pod at gmail dot com. Uh, rate and review us. Tell your friends all that good stuff