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Episode 32: Camgirl Juniper Visits, More Pegging and Domination, Buying Used Panties, Fake Penises, Nipple Sex

Team YMMV | 3-24-2021 | 1:06:36

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Today we invited cam girl Juniper on the podcast to discuss her experiences in the industry. She lets us in on what it's really like on the other side of the camera, some tricks of the trade and whether those little pink vibrators cam girls wear actually do much for them. Juniper also lets us in on how she handles private shows, tipping, anonymizing herself. And we discuss a male cammer who, Mike believes, used a prosthesis.

To follow along with the video discussed at the beginning of the episode:

https://ymmv.me/32/pegging

We also discussed a "nipple sex" porn later in the show. Viewer discretion is advised on this one, as it's pretty strange:

https://ymmv.me/32/nipple-sex

If you are interested in following Juniper or seeing more of her, you can follow her on twitter at https://twitter.com/angeljune666 or check her out on Chaturbate at https://www.chaturbate.com/yourlittleangel666/

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

  • [0:04] Mike: does the show end when the guy comes?
  • [0:06] Mike: That typically what happens?
  • [0:09] Juniper: For some reason lately, they'll just like, um,
  • [0:13] Juniper: either after they come or just when they run out of tokens, they'll just
  • [0:22] Juniper: blue powder Private. They don't even say goodbye. Goodbye.
  • [0:23] Juniper: Mm.
  • [0:27] Juniper: Damn.
  • [0:34] Keith: Hello, and welcome to your mileage. May vary. We talk about sex and relationships. I'm Keith. The co host is Mike. Hello, Mike.
  • [0:35] Mike: Hello, everybody.
  • [0:42] Keith: So we have a very special guest today. I'm not actually sure what you'd like us to call you, so maybe we could start there.
  • [0:48] Juniper: Okay, um, either juniper or June June is easier, so either way,
  • [0:51] Keith: Okay. And what
  • [0:56] Keith: do you do in your spare time? Why? Why have we invited you on?
  • [1:04] Juniper: Um, I do camping on chatter. Bait. I know you've had a couple conversations about it.
  • [1:06] Mike: Just a couple.
  • [1:07] Keith: Right.
  • [1:16] Keith: Um, and you also have an only fans. Right. And, um, have done some other Okay. Is this
  • [1:21] Keith: is this is this universe of things constellation of things considered sex work?
  • [1:23] Keith: Or is that like
  • [1:33] Juniper: it's? Yeah. Some people say yes. Some people say no. I've had people go no, only prostitution of sex work and I'm
  • [1:40] Juniper: I think it is because it's all like erotic work. So
  • [1:44] Keith: and have you done any stripping in your past?
  • [1:52] Juniper: Yes, I have. Um, I did about a month of professional stripping, and then I did pull dancing for a year.
  • [1:54] Keith: What is? What's the difference between
  • [1:56] Mike: what's the difference?
  • [2:06] Juniper: Um, Paul dancing is more like athletic. It was more of a sport when I was doing it. It was just to gain muscle and for fun.
  • [2:11] Keith: Okay, so this is like a class with a bunch of other women not in front of men gawking at
  • [2:14] Mike: you might have been men in the class.
  • [2:16] Keith: No, I had.
  • [2:25] Keith: I had an ex girlfriend who took a pole dancing class, and she got to level five or whatever and
  • [2:30] Keith: yeah, men were not allowed, like within 100 yards of the building, like they were very.
  • [2:34] Mike: Is it just a loud Keith? Or is it is it like, is it like the
  • [2:37] Mike: balance beam? It's called the balance beam in the Olympics, where it's like
  • [2:39] Mike: it's just too risky for the man.
  • [2:49] Mike: Oh, you know what I mean? Like if if the man falls in a certain way on the balance beam and, like you can imagine, Like, the pole needs to go in your crotch in a certain way that the guy actually physically wouldn't be able to do it properly.
  • [2:51] Keith: I don't know.
  • [2:58] Keith: There. Yeah. Do you think there's something tuna per unique about men that would make them, like, unable to do pole dancing effectively?
  • [3:07] Juniper: No. There are male pole dancers. Are there? They just Yeah, they just have to be more aware of, You know where their package sits on the pole. Yeah,
  • [3:09] Keith: smashing that thing.
  • [3:10] Keith: This could be,
  • [3:11] Keith: um
  • [3:12] Keith: bad.
  • [3:17] Keith: I don't know. I don't know. No better way of saying that.
  • [3:21] Mike: That's right. So maybe there's some sort of a pommel horse version of the pole.
  • [3:26] Keith: Anyway, that's a thicker thing. Which distributes the force applied
  • [3:29] Keith: to your crotch in a mistake situation. That
  • [3:32] Mike: wide padded poll for the man. All right, so we
  • [3:35] Keith: have an encyclopedia's worth of questions for you, But
  • [3:42] Keith: before we dive into those, we're going to do our sort of usual show opening, porn viewing and analysis.
  • [3:44] Keith: So are you ready, juniper?
  • [3:49] Keith: Yes, I am. OK, Mike, what do you have for us today?
  • [3:56] Mike: Yeah, I just wanted to mention first that we will put junipers only fans information in the show notes and in addition, will have the
  • [3:59] Mike: information of this video we're about to watch.
  • [4:01] Mike: I think there's anywhere else so people can follow along. Yeah,
  • [4:04] Keith: there's a chatter. Bait, is it?
  • [4:09] Keith: Do people have, like, a chatter bait homepage? Or is it a different U R L every time?
  • [4:16] Juniper: Yeah. It's a chatter. Bait homepage. You can do like chatter bait dot com slash whatever the user name is. Okay.
  • [4:24] Keith: All right. So we'll share. We'll put whatever you want to put in the show notes so that people can find it. Sure.
  • [4:31] Mike: And okay, so we'll have this. Uh, yeah, this, uh, the U R l to this video will be in the show notes also, and we're going to clip to
  • [4:37] Mike: eight minutes and 30 seconds into it to start. And Keith, this is based on something we discussed in our last episode,
  • [4:47] Mike: which seemed to be an area of interest. At least our guest thought this is something that had a particular interest you. Although I realize big disclaimer here, you are not interested in this activity as of
  • [4:53] Keith: yet, so I have not seen this video yet. It is called best pegging compilation with
  • [4:55] Keith: enchanting ending.
  • [4:59] Keith: Uh, Mike, I think it's our last two female guests have both
  • [5:06] Keith: insinuated or explicitly said that they think I would. They think that various things I've said imply that I would enjoy pegging. Is that
  • [5:08] Keith: inaccurate?
  • [5:12] Mike: I don't want to go too hard on this, but yes, that's okay. Okay. Well, I
  • [5:17] Keith: I disagree with everyone's analysis of this topic, but Okay, let's watch this video.
  • [5:20] Keith: Um, okay. I'm gonna start Juniper. You're ready, right?
  • [5:25] Keith: Okay. I'm going to start in 321 starting.
  • [5:31] Mike: So it's a woman behind a man who's naked. He's bearded, and she's
  • [5:36] Mike: kind of holding her arm to the side the way men will sometimes to show the action when there
  • [5:38] Mike: not facing each other with the woman. You
  • [5:46] Keith: know why they put her hand there so that we can see better. Like she's done this enough that she knows that putting her hands behind her back makes the visual better.
  • [5:58] Mike: She's what they call Donald ducking, which is wearing a shirt and no pants. She also has her socks on. He's totally naked. I actually really like that sort of turnabout there that the woman is partially clothed and she has this sort of harness on,
  • [5:59] Mike: Um,
  • [6:05] Mike: I don't have the sound up, but my recollection of this is the man sort of like whimpering and maybe some sounds that you might like to
  • [6:08] Keith: have the sound. He is whimpering.
  • [6:09] Keith: She
  • [6:11] Mike: okay is
  • [6:17] Keith: looking like she's making faces at the camera where there's a number of
  • [6:18] Mike: Oh, I see. She's spanking him,
  • [6:23] Keith: right? She doesn't speak English. Speaking some slugging language.
  • [6:32] Mike: Okay. All right. Can we? All right. I think we cause this.
  • [6:33] Mike: I'd like to know if Juniper has ever done this.
  • [6:39] Juniper: Um, I have not, but I have talked about it with my partner.
  • [6:43] Keith: What does he do? You find it compelling. How did that conversation go?
  • [6:44] Juniper: Um,
  • [6:52] Juniper: he says it will take a while for him to be comfortable. And I think that it's okay. You can go where
  • [6:55] Keith: a while is infinity.
  • [7:00] Mike: Not necessarily. And also, that suggests he's interested, which I I find compelling. Yeah. What?
  • [7:02] Keith: You end up with him? It sounds like
  • [7:05] Juniper: we both brought it up because we're both by. So
  • [7:10] Keith: we'll hold on here, Juniper. This is important. Wait Is this a man or a woman,
  • [7:15] Keith: man? Okay. It could have been a bisexual woman that you were asking if you could peg her.
  • [7:21] Keith: Uh, that's true, but Okay. All right. So Okay, this is this is crucial.
  • [7:30] Keith: You said you have both brought it up. So did sorry. I'm fumbling over my words here. Did he ever initiate the conversation about pegging with you?
  • [7:34] Juniper: Yeah, I think so. I mean,
  • [7:35] Keith: mm,
  • [7:45] Keith: that's that's not something I've ever brought up with a partner because it feels like a slippery slope from there. Um,
  • [7:59] Mike: it's less of a stretch for bisexual man, though, obviously, although, I mean, that's I don't want to delve too much into Jennifer's personal life, but, I mean, like, there is this difference between a man who is interested in oral with other man and a man who is interested in actual
  • [8:02] Mike: anal sex with other men like that's typically, like a different level.
  • [8:04] Mike: Okay.
  • [8:06] Keith: So fine.
  • [8:15] Keith: I just okay, And then the woman in this video appears to be Look, she knows she's being filmed, so she might be pretending, but she looks like she's really
  • [8:23] Keith: enjoying it. She's like making the faces that a man would make in a porn video. Or maybe that a man would make whenever they're having sex doggy style with someone.
  • [8:25] Keith: But, I mean, I know she's not.
  • [8:31] Keith: She doesn't have a Penis, right? So the only, like physical stimulation she's getting is,
  • [8:31] Keith: you know,
  • [8:36] Keith: smashing her, you know, growing against this guy's ass.
  • [8:39] Keith: So there's no there's no, um,
  • [8:43] Keith: there's no, like, erogenous feeling here for the woman, right?
  • [8:53] Juniper: There seems to be like an emotional reward here, though, because she seems to be very into it. She was even yelling at him to, like, be louder is what the subtitles were.
  • [8:59] Keith: Yeah, like you said, you didn't have the sound up, but she's speaking some sort of, you know, it's in Russia. Russian. Okay.
  • [9:01] Mike: Yeah,
  • [9:02] Mike: I assume. I mean,
  • [9:06] Keith: yeah, some eastern. It's some Slavic language. Uh
  • [9:08] Keith: uh.
  • [9:10] Keith: I don't
  • [9:12] Keith: look,
  • [9:24] Keith: I have Yeah, this is not compelling to me. No, it's not. I don't want to be. I don't want to be dominated by a woman generally, and then I I don't want
  • [9:25] Keith: to have
  • [9:27] Keith: any sized
  • [9:31] Keith: dildo in my asshole like it's just not
  • [9:32] Keith: Uh huh.
  • [9:41] Keith: But I mean, this is of course what? Somebody who was trying to defend themselves against this would say, even if they did so I don't know how to like, prove
  • [9:47] Mike: I don't know how. I'd like to hear what junipers sort of sales pitch would be for this. Like it's like, Okay, you know,
  • [9:53] Mike: maybe she finds it compelling. There's something about it. Like, what would be the persuasive thing to say to someone like Keith, who's just
  • [9:56] Mike: appears to be uninterested, although to other women have,
  • [9:59] Mike: uh, diagnosed him as interested.
  • [10:04] Juniper: Um, I think that pegging might be a like the
  • [10:18] Juniper: higher side of being dominated by a woman. So maybe starting small, Um, I've started with, like, tying someone up and see if they see if they're, like, comfortable with that and then slowly inching,
  • [10:26] Juniper: Um, not towards the asshole, but just like General, um, seeing how they are emotionally beforehand.
  • [10:32] Keith: What's like another stop on the railroad in between, you know, being tied up
  • [10:33] Keith: and
  • [10:38] Mike: begging like I want to know what I want to know what she does to the guy when, when she ties him up, too, because
  • [10:43] Mike: for whatever reason, it seems to me like I just feel like the woman would get kind of bored.
  • [10:54] Juniper: Um, well, I do not get bored. I am a switch. So I like to do on my end. So, uh, I tied someone up, just like last week. I think,
  • [11:05] Juniper: um, we did some Penis pump. We played a little bit with whips, sensations, um, tied up, like, blindfolded him. So I didn't know
  • [11:09] Juniper: what was going on and then, you know, played with some,
  • [11:12] Juniper: um, sounds
  • [11:21] Juniper: so like you make. Sounds like you're grabbing something. Um, more intimidating than you are so that they're a little more scared, and then you go from there,
  • [11:27] Mike: uh, this professionally, or is this professionally or sort of casually? Okay.
  • [11:29] Mike: Interesting. Uh,
  • [11:30] Keith: sorry.
  • [11:32] Mike: That sounded very like knowledgeable. What
  • [11:37] Keith: is what is what is what did you do with the Penis pump?
  • [11:44] Juniper: You put it on and then you pump it. I don't.
  • [11:57] Juniper: Okay, Kind of. I used it to signal like and now, like, this is the only sensation that's going to be on your Penis. And I'm going to go somewhere else for now. You know, Keith,
  • [12:01] Mike: you've never used a Penis, but before No. Have you?
  • [12:02] Mike: Oh, absolutely.
  • [12:04] Keith: Like, you just have one laying around the house. You
  • [12:12] Mike: know, I had one many years ago, and then I threw it away because I wasn't very interested, like,
  • [12:17] Mike: definitely through. It doesn't matter. Let's just say I still have it. Uh,
  • [12:22] Mike: I think the sales pitch is that it's sort of like draws.
  • [12:24] Mike: Um,
  • [12:33] Mike: it draws more blood in because basically, it's creating a vacuum. So it's going to sort of, like, make you more erect, but, like, does it feel good? Um,
  • [12:34] Mike: well,
  • [12:38] Mike: you're doing it to yourself now.
  • [12:42] Mike: Maybe if someone else is doing it to you, it feels great. I don't know, but I was just sort of like mad. I
  • [12:45] Keith: mean, is that the sensation going to be the same? I mean, you know,
  • [12:47] Keith: I don't know how it attach is exactly
  • [12:49] Keith: how does it achieve suction? Is there like a
  • [12:51] Keith: suction cup?
  • [12:53] Mike: Maybe June Bug could tell you that
  • [13:00] Juniper: there's like a It's like a silicone piece. Obviously have to be pretty lubed up for
  • [13:07] Juniper: your Penis to go inside. And it yeah, like, sections around. And then you
  • [13:09] Juniper: okay.
  • [13:20] Keith: And like, no error can get in, like, Okay, it seems like unless you're, like, shaved right, like there's like the pubic hair will make it so that you can get, like, a tight seal. But okay, I don't know how the mechanics of a Penis pump
  • [13:22] Juniper: work, but Okay, Okay, Okay.
  • [13:25] Keith: Okay. Okay. So, I mean, it's a way to, like,
  • [13:29] Keith: help the man get a strong erection.
  • [13:33] Keith: And then I guess if you are doing that in a way, that he can't
  • [13:37] Keith: He's not in control, then. Yeah. Okay. I understand.
  • [13:47] Mike: I think Heath, Like, I mean, I think there's some notion that, like when a woman is giving a man oral, there's some suction involved, and so, like, it could simulate that. But that was not my experience. My experience was it was just sort of, like, mildly painful
  • [13:53] Keith: because it's, like, sort of, um yeah. It's like giving a giant hickey your Penis or something.
  • [13:57] Mike: There you go. That was more of my experience, but again, like it wasn't
  • [13:58] Mike: Was it with a partner?
  • [14:01] Keith: Okay.
  • [14:03] Keith: Okay. Um,
  • [14:05] Keith: okay. So
  • [14:09] Keith: don't start with pegging is what Jennifer is saying here. There's a couple other
  • [14:12] Keith: stops on the way. Okay,
  • [14:15] Mike: um, you could burn some candle wax or something. How
  • [14:16] Keith: do you do?
  • [14:19] Keith: How do you decide?
  • [14:22] Keith: Okay, so you said that you're a switch, right? So you go between
  • [14:30] Keith: dominant and submissive stuff. Do you find things that don't have dominant or submissive? Play boring
  • [14:33] Mike: Porky like Am I boring?
  • [14:38] Keith: I'm asking for a friend.
  • [14:38] Juniper: Yeah.
  • [14:41] Juniper: Like what? Exactly? Well, okay,
  • [14:44] Keith: let's say, for example,
  • [14:48] Keith: a new partner comes along and
  • [14:53] Keith: you're like, Well, do you want to be the dominant or the Smiths of today? And he's like, what?
  • [14:57] Keith: And then, you know, he just wants to,
  • [15:03] Keith: you know, go down on you and then have what they would call vanilla sex like Is that going to be like,
  • [15:07] Keith: Would you find a relationship with such a person tolerable?
  • [15:12] Keith: Or maybe you haven't had one like that for a while. Like, would you always be wanting more and disappointed?
  • [15:28] Juniper: Vanilla sex is fine. I think there is always some sort of power play. Even if you're just giving oral to one person or the other, I don't ever ask someone like, Hey, do you want to sub today? Like sometimes it's like you want to get tied up today? Um,
  • [15:37] Juniper: yeah, that's kind of how that conversation goes, but no, it would never be boring. I think if it's boring, you're doing something wrong. Even with vanilla sex.
  • [15:38] Keith: Yeah,
  • [15:40] Keith: that's a fair point.
  • [15:42] Keith: I mean, I guess this notion that everything
  • [15:44] Keith: has a power dynamic as
  • [15:47] Keith: vaguely true.
  • [15:50] Keith: Um
  • [15:52] Keith: Okay, so I have
  • [16:02] Keith: Okay, Mike, I have a bunch of questions here that sort of pertained to using chatter, bait and only fans are we Are we done with this pegging video, please?
  • [16:09] Mike: Well, I mean, I think, like, yeah, I think we have an interest in, like, understanding how this kind of work. I mean, look, um
  • [16:14] Mike: as people who have consumed this level, this type of content,
  • [16:19] Mike: it's interesting to get the sort of other side of the camera right And to find out
  • [16:22] Mike: what's going on there and also, yeah, also, you can tell us.
  • [16:23] Mike: Yeah, what you do.
  • [16:27] Mike: Yeah, I think there's a bunch of interesting questions, so
  • [16:35] Keith: it sounds like the majority of your time is spent. We talked a little bit before we started recording. Here is spent on chatter. Bait?
  • [16:35] Keith: Yeah.
  • [16:40] Keith: Okay. And are you comfortable sharing, like, how many hours a week? You
  • [16:43] Keith: You're doing that?
  • [16:46] Juniper: Oh, um, I recently,
  • [16:56] Juniper: uh, my normal job cut hours. So I've been deciding whether or not to just quit and do full time chatter bait.
  • [17:05] Juniper: Uh, I recently got a new account, and on that I've been doing every day except yesterday. So, uh,
  • [17:08] Juniper: like, 34 days this week.
  • [17:10] Juniper: And
  • [17:12] Juniper: what's the reason to get
  • [17:15] Keith: what's the reason to get a new account?
  • [17:16] Juniper: Oh, um,
  • [17:34] Juniper: so when you get a new account, they promote your page for, like, seven days. I think it is. Um, And with my first one, I did not do that. And I was reading a lot of things where it can greatly increase how successful your cam is.
  • [17:37] Keith: Sure, gaming the algorithm based on
  • [17:40] Keith: various things you've read. Okay, that's sort of interesting.
  • [17:41] Keith: Um,
  • [17:49] Keith: And when you when you do this, are you on for 20 minutes or, you know, 10 hours, Or how long is a typical
  • [17:51] Keith: session?
  • [17:56] Juniper: Um, typical around 34 hours.
  • [18:08] Juniper: Um, if it's not going very well, I will get off early because if you're just watching the views slowly decreased, then there's not really much you can do about that. Just come back when you're more prepared, I guess,
  • [18:14] Mike: um, three or four hours, like what percentage of that time Are you
  • [18:16] Mike: like naked?
  • [18:29] Juniper: Not much, actually. Usually just in, like lingerie or brawn. Underwear set. People will pay to get them off. And if no one's paying, I put them back on.
  • [18:35] Mike: I ask because like it seems like an unchecked orbit in particular, there's a lot of people that are
  • [18:38] Mike: in. I guess it's Eastern Europe
  • [18:40] Mike: or Russia.
  • [18:42] Mike: Maybe it's the time of day when I'm looking on there.
  • [18:43] Mike: Um,
  • [18:45] Mike: mhm.
  • [18:47] Mike: But it seems like
  • [18:51] Mike: that the thing one of things I thought before is like these people are
  • [18:55] Mike: having sex for a really long period of time,
  • [18:57] Mike: right? And I've wondered, like how I mean,
  • [19:00] Mike: because if you're doing that multiple days a week,
  • [19:04] Mike: multiple hours a day, like doesn't that cause problems
  • [19:07] Juniper: problems with,
  • [19:14] Mike: like, physical problems? Like if I was doing anything for, like, two hours a day every day, that involves sort of intimate parts of my body, like
  • [19:16] Mike: like let's say I was chewing
  • [19:21] Mike: food or I don't know. I'm trying to imagine something some other parts of your body that could
  • [19:27] Mike: have issues like, but I mean, I guess you don't do that so, like, that's not an experience you've had.
  • [19:36] Juniper: Um I usually just can by myself. So I'm not having someone ram into me like hours on end. Well,
  • [19:38] Keith: sure, but it could be.
  • [19:45] Keith: I mean, you could be masturbating for, you know, along, for example, it doesn't necessarily have to be partnered for it to be
  • [19:51] Keith: sort of like a dildo or Olympic longevity odyssey here. Um,
  • [20:01] Juniper: it can get kind of difficult when people are tipping for the same thing over and over and over again. But usually, usually you can switch it up.
  • [20:06] Juniper: Lately, for some reason, they've been really into me stretching. So
  • [20:10] Juniper: the splits have been starting to hurt.
  • [20:10] Keith: Uh
  • [20:13] Mike: huh. Is that naked splits or clothes splits or what?
  • [20:15] Juniper: Depends on what I'm wearing.
  • [20:16] Mike: Alrighty.
  • [20:17] Mike: Already. Okay.
  • [20:18] Mike: Uh, so interesting to
  • [20:22] Keith: people intentionally. Do you think they do that on purpose?
  • [20:25] Juniper: Sometimes? I think so.
  • [20:26] Juniper: Yeah.
  • [20:27] Keith: Um,
  • [20:30] Keith: and then Okay. So,
  • [20:39] Keith: you know, most of our listeners probably don't know exactly how chatter bait works, so I'll explain how I think it works. And then I know both of you guys are
  • [20:42] Keith: I wonder which one of you two are more of an expert on chatter. Bait? That's
  • [20:44] Mike: oh, she's definitely more of an expert. I
  • [20:47] Keith: mean, that's what you would say. Um,
  • [20:54] Keith: so it's, uh you go to the home page and there's a bunch of thumbnails of different people who are
  • [20:59] Keith: live streaming at that moment, and you go into the room and
  • [21:04] Keith: there is a chat area. Usually it's open, although some,
  • [21:08] Keith: uh, people, I think, disabled the chat. Or maybe that's not possible. Um, and
  • [21:11] Mike: then they'll disable it for people who don't have tokens is the main thing.
  • [21:21] Keith: People. Right? Okay. And then there's this currency, which is not dollars and cents. It's tokens. And how much? How much is a token worth?
  • [21:28] Juniper: Um, for the customer, it is 10 cents for the cam model. It is five.
  • [21:29] Juniper: So which
  • [21:33] Mike: tells you that you really want to be a chatter bait dot com? It's taking a 50
  • [21:35] Keith: percent commission.
  • [21:37] Keith: What the fuck?
  • [21:44] Keith: Okay, well, okay. This is why people move to only fans in other places. Only fans takes a big commission, too, but I don't think it's 50%. Um,
  • [21:46] Juniper: it's like 2025%.
  • [21:52] Keith: Okay, that's still outrageous, but a lot. Um, we'll get to only fans where if we're going to get there, Okay, so Uh,
  • [22:04] Keith: okay, so and then, uh, typically not typically, but often, Um, the cam model will have a menu of various things, or they will try to encourage
  • [22:07] Keith: the viewers to
  • [22:14] Keith: contribute tokens for very various activities. So you might say, like, Oh, you know, I'll do the splits for 20 tokens or whatever. And then,
  • [22:15] Keith: um,
  • [22:18] Keith: you know, people can. People can pay that,
  • [22:23] Keith: Um, and then there's there's like a There's like a There's a sound whenever somebody pays,
  • [22:25] Keith: um,
  • [22:32] Keith: which I think creates sort of like a Las Vegas feedback loop. Or like you hear other people contributing that maybe that makes you want to contribute. So am I.
  • [22:37] Keith: If I have I missed anything so far.
  • [22:40] Mike: Not really, No. I mean, it's, uh
  • [22:44] Mike: um,
  • [22:50] Mike: yeah, I mean, like, there's there's a couple other things that are important, and I don't know if these are relevant to Juniper, but like
  • [22:58] Mike: it's very common for the models to have some sort of like vibrator that turns on based on the number of tokens, like there's some device they have, which
  • [23:00] Mike: I personally find.
  • [23:01] Mike: Okay,
  • [23:10] Mike: I find it kind of comical, and maybe she could comment on this. She was waving one at us. Uh, I find it kind of comical. That was actually much longer than I expected it to be. But
  • [23:12] Juniper: camera.
  • [23:14] Mike: Okay, well, you
  • [23:17] Keith: let up again, but I want to describe this device.
  • [23:19] Mike: Yeah, Go for it. Okay. Oh, yeah.
  • [23:28] Keith: It's like Bluetooth enabled. Okay. All right. Thank you for using your face for scale. Uh, it is okay. And it's connected
  • [23:29] Mike: to about the size of the banana
  • [23:31] Keith: WiFi or, um,
  • [23:36] Keith: about the length of a banana. It's much, much skinnier. It uses WiFi or Bluetooth or something to connect to
  • [23:41] Keith: some app that chatter bait has access to or something.
  • [23:45] Keith: Okay, so then someone can, like, pay 100. Sorry. Yeah, go ahead.
  • [23:46] Keith: Uh huh.
  • [23:49] Keith: Mhm.
  • [23:51] Mike: Is that Is that how we don't know how it works? How does it
  • [23:52] Juniper: work?
  • [24:02] Juniper: So it departed from which model you get. There's actually a couple that are available. Um, I have the lush. I think it's the second one. I think there's a third one now,
  • [24:15] Juniper: um, and it connects to my phone, which then connects to my Web browser, which then connects to my cheddar fee. So if any of those stop working it it disconnects.
  • [24:18] Keith: Okay, that's disappointing for everybody. So it
  • [24:29] Mike: and the idea is it somehow knows it's not based on the sound that's made on your side on the browser. It's actually like somehow there's some magic command that comes out of the Web browser that commands it to start.
  • [24:40] Juniper: It's an extension that you you put on your browser, and it can see when people tip on chatter bait. You can program it where, like people tip five tokens, it'll
  • [24:52] Juniper: vibrate for like, two seconds on the low. The more tokens, the higher it vibrates and the longer and does the so there's a there's a narrow end in a fat end.
  • [24:55] Mike: Which end goes inside the bigger one.
  • [24:57] Juniper: Because that's where the motor is.
  • [25:00] Keith: That's where the motor is. I
  • [25:00] Mike: mean,
  • [25:09] Mike: Keith, like, from my perspective, is that where the motor, it must be, uh, from my perspective, like that's not the right place to vibrate And like generally, my view on this is that, like
  • [25:14] Mike: that device doesn't actually do anything other than make the guys think it's doing something. Am I wrong about that? Jennifer. It's
  • [25:26] Juniper: supposed to sit on the G spot and vibrate. Um, But I don't think that, like, I think you'd have to hold it pretty firmly onto the new thought for it to really,
  • [25:27] Juniper: Um,
  • [25:31] Juniper: do as much as a lot of the models say it does,
  • [25:38] Keith: there's a performative aspect here. Okay, First of all, are you able to have G spot orgasms?
  • [25:42] Juniper: Uh, with clitoral stimulation
  • [25:43] Juniper: cuts.
  • [25:43] Mike: So,
  • [25:46] Keith: no,
  • [25:49] Mike: I would say I personally think is pretty normal.
  • [25:51] Keith: Yeah, Yeah,
  • [25:54] Keith: yeah,
  • [26:02] Keith: yeah, yeah. So I I have not used chatter bait as much as my cast, but yeah, like a thing you see often is
  • [26:06] Keith: there's a cam girl, and she has this thing. It's called a lush.
  • [26:08] Juniper: I love it, but let's just the one that I have.
  • [26:11] Keith: Okay, Okay. And then,
  • [26:19] Keith: yeah. I mean, yeah, people just keep contributing tokens, and then the model pretends Sorry. The model
  • [26:20] Keith: behaves as if,
  • [26:22] Keith: uh,
  • [26:28] Keith: yeah, there's There's some sort of, like, orgasmic sensation being delivered. Um, and
  • [26:33] Keith: I mean, look, I understand what's going on there. I just don't find it.
  • [26:36] Keith: I find it sort of
  • [26:49] Keith: comical, I guess. Um, but like, obviously, like, a bunch of men really like this. And maybe it's that they have control over the situation. Like, What do you think's going on there?
  • [26:50] Juniper: Are you asking me? Am I
  • [26:52] Keith: Yeah.
  • [26:54] Juniper: Okay.
  • [26:57] Juniper: It depends. Uh,
  • [27:02] Juniper: I think that having control and being alive and being able to talk to someone is
  • [27:21] Juniper: super appealing to a lot of people. But I've noticed that a lot of my customers aren't really looking for the vibrate. Like my reaction to the vibrations. It's more like I have a menu, and they can have me do stuff. And that is more what they're looking for. The vibration is more like an
  • [27:23] Juniper: an add on a little
  • [27:25] Juniper: plus, I guess.
  • [27:26] Juniper: Mhm.
  • [27:28] Keith: Yeah, I think they enjoy having
  • [27:32] Keith: agency or control. Or
  • [27:34] Keith: it makes them feel
  • [27:36] Keith: more connected to you in some way.
  • [27:38] Keith: Yeah.
  • [27:38] Mike: Mhm.
  • [27:44] Mike: Do you? I mean, so when you're when you're doing I mean, I assume that this only becomes relevant when you are actually naked, right?
  • [27:46] Mike: What do you mean?
  • [27:52] Mike: Like the this device like, Do people make the device vibrate when you're actually clothed? Yeah.
  • [27:55] Juniper: I wear a time when I'm gaming.
  • [27:58] Juniper: I usually sticking out so people know that I'm wearing it
  • [28:04] Mike: already. I'm familiar with that. Always find that kind of odd. It's like a little antenna,
  • [28:05] Mike: but the,
  • [28:11] Mike: like, that situation for you is almost totally non sexual, right? Most of the time.
  • [28:14] Mike: Right? Right. So it's like a complete simulation.
  • [28:19] Juniper: Um, sometimes I will be turned on.
  • [28:31] Juniper: I've noticed, though, like I've had actual orgasms on can before. Um, and I've noticed that my customers don't seem to react as well as when I'm, like, playing it up.
  • [28:36] Juniper: So I usually just have to act in a way that brings people in.
  • [28:39] Keith: Oh, Okay. So, Juniper, do you ever do private shows?
  • [28:44] Juniper: Yes, I do private shows when the customer requests them.
  • [28:47] Keith: Okay. And there's some sort of
  • [28:52] Keith: higher price for that That makes it worth it to do that versus the public room.
  • [29:05] Juniper: Yeah. They can do, uh, minor. Priced at 60 tokens per minute. Um, there's also spy shows so people can, like, come in and spy on the private chauffeur like a set price as well.
  • [29:11] Juniper: Um, but they can't talk. They can't. Um I'm not sure if they can tip, but
  • [29:14] Juniper: I've never had someone try it before.
  • [29:15] Juniper: Yeah,
  • [29:21] Mike: when you do a private show, go ahead and giving you a private show. And the guy, um
  • [29:24] Mike: Can you see the person? I guess it could be a woman.
  • [29:26] Mike: Um, the person that
  • [29:36] Juniper: you're Yeah. I would just have to open their cam as well. So they would have to, like, have a, um they usually do, like a password show if they don't want a bunch of people to see.
  • [29:40] Juniper: Um and then I could watch their camp while they watch mine.
  • [29:42] Mike: I mean, do you actually want to do that, though?
  • [29:44] Keith: What was the question? Do
  • [29:46] Mike: you actually want to watch them?
  • [29:54] Juniper: Um, it's, um yeah, kind of. Because it it helps me know where they are so that I can react
  • [29:55] Juniper: to it.
  • [29:59] Mike: Where are they usually like what's typical?
  • [30:02] Mike: I just want to know what to do if I do this, What should I be doing?
  • [30:07] Juniper: Um, usually, it's just the masturbating, um, and the like.
  • [30:14] Juniper: They'll either talk to me through their cam or they'll have, like, a type conversation going on.
  • [30:17] Mike: I've had the misfortune of clicking on
  • [30:25] Mike: men's icons in chatter, bait and seeing what their cameras. And oftentimes it's just pointed at their Penis. Yeah, usually.
  • [30:28] Mike: Why do you think they do that?
  • [30:31] Juniper: Because they don't want to share their way.
  • [30:33] Mike: They're proud of it. Is that one?
  • [30:35] Mike: Uh huh.
  • [30:40] Keith: I think it's more Well, I mean,
  • [30:48] Keith: like, nobody wants their face to be available of them jerking off, right? Like somebody could screenshot that or whatever.
  • [30:54] Mike: So I have a third theories. You've got two theories so far that they're proud of it, that they don't want to show their face. My theories that men have a
  • [30:58] Mike: deep desire to, like, impose their Penis on people.
  • [30:59] Mike: Oh,
  • [31:02] Mike: they like that. They're like, Look what I did to you. I made you see this.
  • [31:04] Juniper: You need to record her.
  • [31:08] Keith: Um,
  • [31:11] Keith: how long does one of these Okay,
  • [31:15] Keith: Do they ever just want to talk?
  • [31:18] Juniper: Um,
  • [31:19] Juniper: no,
  • [31:22] Juniper: I haven't had someone who just wanted to talk.
  • [31:24] Keith: Okay, um
  • [31:28] Mike: so, like, does the guy is it basically like,
  • [31:30] Mike: is it like the guy
  • [31:34] Mike: Does the show end when the guy comes?
  • [31:36] Mike: That typically, what happens?
  • [31:39] Juniper: For some reason lately, they'll just like, um,
  • [31:44] Juniper: either after they come or just when they run out of tokens. They'll just
  • [31:51] Juniper: blew out of private. They don't even say goodbye. But
  • [31:57] Mike: that makes perfect sense to me. I like the idea of him running out of tokens, though. He's like, I'm so close. Beep.
  • [32:00] Keith: I
  • [32:09] Juniper: really funny. I can always tell when they do too. I always feel bad. I want to say like, Oh, I'm sorry, but there
  • [32:16] Mike: are Is there any is there any sort of like, uh, typical demographic? I mean, these guys like older, younger a particular
  • [32:25] Mike: I don't know. Is there anything notable about them, or is it just, like, literally the full spectrum of I mean, are they all Americans like, is there anything sort of notable there?
  • [32:30] Juniper: I'm not sure. I don't see most of my, um because I just
  • [32:34] Keith: or you can see is their grind. So it's hard to tell, you
  • [32:40] Juniper: know, I'll have people send me selfies on my Snapchat that's available for people to add me on.
  • [32:46] Juniper: Not sure why they do that, but I see some of their faces. They all look pretty normal to me.
  • [32:55] Mike: If you were talking to the if you were talking to them, though, you would not say things like that, right? You would imply you would want them to think that you enjoyed getting their pictures right,
  • [32:59] Mike: like there's a difference in the personality you have to project to them.
  • [33:00] Juniper: Uh huh.
  • [33:02] Juniper: I'd like to think that I'm pretty honest.
  • [33:05] Mike: Okay, so no. Okay, that's interesting.
  • [33:09] Juniper: Um, if someone's like, Hey, can I send you a dick pic? I'll usually say yes.
  • [33:11] Juniper: Um,
  • [33:14] Juniper: I don't do anything with them,
  • [33:19] Juniper: but I will accept them. I'm not saying no. I'm not turning people away.
  • [33:23] Keith: What's your standard response to a dick pic being sent?
  • [33:28] Juniper: Um, if they ask first, then it's like
  • [33:33] Juniper: cool heart emoji or like a kissy face. Um,
  • [33:37] Juniper: if it's not solicited like they didn't ask first, then I'm like, Hey,
  • [33:41] Juniper: ask first so that I know that you're going to send something like that because
  • [33:44] Juniper: you never know where I am,
  • [33:45] Keith: right?
  • [33:54] Keith: Right. Yeah. Maybe you're with your family. Have you seen this thing? I'm sure. I'm sure you have, Juniper. But, Mike, have you seen this thing on chatter Bait where people will review your Penis?
  • [33:56] Mike: I have. Yeah.
  • [33:58] Mike: I've never had it done. I Keith, Have you had it done?
  • [34:03] Keith: Yes. It's 12 out of 10. Every time. I've had it done by 14 different people confirming it.
  • [34:06] Mike: It
  • [34:09] Juniper: is the most requested thing on my tip menu.
  • [34:12] Mike: It is how many How many tokens does that cost?
  • [34:17] Juniper: 15. I usually price it pretty low because it doesn't take me very much time.
  • [34:21] Mike: So that's a dollar 50. And you get 75 cents. It takes you, like, two seconds, right?
  • [34:25] Juniper: Yeah. It's not bad. Type something in the trap, like, Hey,
  • [34:26] Juniper: this is my rating.
  • [34:28] Juniper: Is your face What's the I
  • [34:31] Mike: mean, you Can't you ever give them a low rating? Yeah.
  • [34:33] Keith: You can't give him a low rating.
  • [34:38] Juniper: I haven't had anything below a normal sized Penis.
  • [34:40] Juniper: Um, how do you
  • [34:44] Keith: know? Is there Is there something there for scale?
  • [34:45] Mike: Don't know.
  • [34:47] Juniper: No, not really.
  • [34:49] Mike: You're
  • [34:52] Keith: just using the context of the photo.
  • [34:56] Juniper: Okay? Yeah, they're usually on Cam, but yeah,
  • [35:03] Mike: yeah, they're not going to send you, Uh, right. If a guy knows if he's going to get a bad rating, so it's the lowest would be, like, seven or eight of 10. Probably.
  • [35:05] Juniper: I just want to do
  • [35:13] Juniper: seven. If it's, like average. I've had some that are enormous, though. I think they do that on purpose.
  • [35:15] Mike: Yeah, maybe they use a Penis pump.
  • [35:17] Keith: Sure,
  • [35:21] Keith: they're trying to let you know they just want to have an excuse to show you their Penis and
  • [35:24] Juniper: like,
  • [35:28] Mike: Well, now you're you're tending toward my description. She wants to impose it on her.
  • [35:29] Mike: Yeah.
  • [35:32] Mike: It's like a dominant submission thing,
  • [35:33] Keith: I guess.
  • [35:36] Mike: Yeah. Look what I can do.
  • [35:40] Juniper: I'm not sure I'm submitting in that situation.
  • [35:47] Mike: Well, I'm with you. I agree you're not, But I think in their mind you are. I think, in their mind, they're like, Look what I made her do. I made her Look at this.
  • [35:51] Mike: Of course. You don't even have to look
  • [35:54] Juniper: just like it's It's a date.
  • [35:56] Mike: That's what I would do.
  • [35:59] Keith: Yeah.
  • [36:00] Keith: Uh,
  • [36:11] Keith: okay. Have you ever Okay, so there are some other things that happened in this space often, For example, some people will, um, sell. How should we say various articles of clothing?
  • [36:12] Keith: No.
  • [36:14] Mike: Okay.
  • [36:16] Mike: He does that. You do that. Have you done that?
  • [36:18] Mike: Yeah.
  • [36:22] Keith: Can we double click on that? Can you elaborate a little bit.
  • [36:34] Juniper: Um, usually, if someone wants to buy like, it's usually panties, um, if they want to buy any of those, then I say go to my only fans. We'll talk about it. Um,
  • [36:43] Juniper: I'll break down. My price is like, this is how much it is normally, this is how much it is with a video of me taking them off some pictures, etcetera,
  • [36:47] Mike: interesting. And they presumably want them not freshly washed.
  • [36:49] Juniper: Yes, they want them.
  • [36:51] Mike: Yeah,
  • [36:55] Mike: but I mean, do you think that's weird? You think it's kind of weird that guys do that?
  • [36:58] Juniper: Um,
  • [37:05] Juniper: I don't know why they do it, but I know it's not odd because people like the smell of,
  • [37:09] Juniper: you know, vaginas.
  • [37:19] Juniper: And if that's if they want to feel like they have a personal connection with me and they want personally mine. But they can't meet me, then that's one way to do it, I guess.
  • [37:21] Mike: Yeah, that's true.
  • [37:25] Keith: That's about right. Do you have anything to add to that bank?
  • [37:29] Mike: Oh, I mean, I just think it's interesting that, like I mean, I think way more.
  • [37:33] Mike: I think a much higher percentage of men than people commonly think
  • [37:43] Mike: either are interested in or do things like this. And it's just interesting to think like there's all these men running around doing all this stuff, and then it turns out they're they're also doing that
  • [37:46] Mike: I don't know, just sort of interesting to think about.
  • [37:49] Keith: I mean, I feel like there's been an explosion in the panty mailing
  • [37:55] Keith: business over the last, like, two years. Like I don't think this was a thing before two years ago. And now
  • [38:08] Keith: it's a thing like I don't know, like what volume of, like UPS and FedEx and USPS service is spent like. It's like Amazon number one panties in Ziploc bags. Number two like it's
  • [38:10] Keith: It's enough that
  • [38:11] Mike: this must be like a much
  • [38:20] Mike: it must be fairly expensive to write because you have to basically by the underwear. And then, I mean, I'm guessing this is like $50 or something.
  • [38:35] Juniper: Um, I had someone pay 60 for a couple of pictures and a video. Usually I do think it's 37 if they just want a video in the panties, if they just want the panties and
  • [38:35] Juniper: without
  • [38:42] Juniper: a ton of emotional connection. I've been talking to this guy for a while, so
  • [38:43] Mike: yeah,
  • [38:45] Mike: okay, so that's also 37.
  • [38:46] Mike: What was that?
  • [38:52] Mike: You're saying that the surprise is the same with you? Didn't say what the prices with the panties without the emotional connection.
  • [38:57] Juniper: Oh, it's just it's just 30. If they don't want any videos or pictures?
  • [38:59] Mike: Got it, Got it.
  • [39:05] Keith: That's kind of weird. I would think most people would want that. I don't know.
  • [39:09] Keith: That level of depravity is hard for me to
  • [39:15] Mike: under similar depravity. He I I interpreted as more like loneliness. It's like
  • [39:26] Mike: Okay, yeah, I interpret his loneliness because, like, what's going on there? Like somebody's like, I can't I can't form this kind of connection. I don't wanna say normal. That's just a human interaction with someone I know
  • [39:27] Keith: that just makes it
  • [39:31] Juniper: sad. I think it's more of a clink. You know?
  • [39:33] Mike: I like that interpretation. Okay,
  • [39:33] Keith: I do,
  • [39:41] Mike: too. Do you think they're juniper? Do you think there are many men women out there that want men's underwear sent to them? I'm
  • [39:46] Juniper: not sure what The item.
  • [39:47] Juniper: I'm not.
  • [39:49] Juniper: I don't think so.
  • [39:55] Juniper: I think we've heard too many horror stories of, like, uh, streets.
  • [40:04] Mike: So it's a So if it's a kink, then it's a uni directional kink, right? Like women don't have the same kink, the opposite direction.
  • [40:08] Keith: I don't know. Like you know what they want. They want their hoodie.
  • [40:10] Keith: Yeah.
  • [40:17] Keith: Are you aware of what I mean? Like like Maybe you don't even know about this. Yeah. So
  • [40:22] Keith: girlfriends really like wearing their partners as hoodies.
  • [40:26] Keith: It's a thing. And, like, even like,
  • [40:35] Keith: yeah, it smells like them. And it belongs to them. And it, you know, implies some sort of, like ownership or connection. But it's not sexual. It's It's like, uh,
  • [40:36] Keith: it's more of like, a
  • [40:39] Keith: bonding signal, I guess.
  • [40:44] Mike: Um, but I was really annoying. Yeah, I would find it intolerable. I knew you would not like
  • [40:46] Keith: that.
  • [40:50] Mike: No, I don't want to. I don't I don't like over sharing her over intimacy.
  • [40:55] Mike: I got enough intimacy in my life. I want less.
  • [41:07] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah. He's like locking his his closet. Nobody for you. Um, but yeah. I mean, yeah, I feel like the female version of a safe
  • [41:12] Keith: the female version of borrowed clothes is is, uh is the hoodie, but yeah. I mean, it's completely non sexual in that case,
  • [41:14] Keith: Um,
  • [41:16] Keith: okay. And then do you have,
  • [41:18] Keith: uh,
  • [41:25] Keith: okay, All right. Is there like, a lighting and equipment set up? That is a minimum requirement for getting involved in this kind of thing?
  • [41:39] Juniper: Um, I say that the Levins is pretty important because you'll get more customers in if they have that kind of control. Um, and a at least a decent webcam.
  • [41:50] Juniper: Um, that's pretty obvious, because you want people to be able to see you. Um, lighting is important, but I haven't quite figured out which lighting is important.
  • [41:55] Keith: Yeah, well, you don't want it to be too bright, but you don't want it to be like
  • [42:06] Keith: a dungeon either, so, yeah, I'm not sure there must be some sweet spot there. Yeah, well, you can You can keep doing research and make a blog post about it once you once you find it out.
  • [42:13] Keith: Do you think it's possible? Like, are there people on chatter bait or only fans that are making money without showing their face?
  • [42:16] Keith: Yeah,
  • [42:18] Keith: How?
  • [42:23] Keith: I mean, what's going on there like,
  • [42:28] Keith: do they have to be, like, sufficiently attractive? Or is there some other skill they have?
  • [42:39] Juniper: I bring from the person I personally haven't seen very many people on chatter bait doing it without their face. Um, I have seen on Twitter people selling,
  • [42:45] Juniper: um, private shows, and they would block out their faces with like, emojis or just, you know,
  • [42:48] Juniper: strategically holds them so that their faces and in them
  • [42:53] Juniper: I'm not sure if they were avoiding having their face in the whole time.
  • [43:00] Juniper: Um, but that's the only thing that I've seen from it. I think it's definitely possible because what you're really, um,
  • [43:03] Juniper: there to give is, like,
  • [43:04] Juniper: physical
  • [43:10] Juniper: intimacy. And some people don't mind if their faces and in it,
  • [43:14] Mike: Keith, why do you care so much of the faces in it?
  • [43:17] Keith: Uh,
  • [43:18] Keith: I
  • [43:26] Keith: yeah, like if I'm looking at Porn Hub and there's a lot of models on Porn Hub whose entire body of work you know, they'll have, like,
  • [43:30] Keith: you know, 30 videos and basically
  • [43:32] Keith: none of them.
  • [43:41] Keith: Yeah, yeah, they've used, like, amazing camera work to like, make sure that they're, you know, nothing above their like Chin has ever, ever exposed. I find that way less compelling for
  • [43:43] Keith: some reason. Let me think about that for a second.
  • [43:50] Mike: But Keith, from my perspective, that makes it more evident that it's sort of an amateur thing, right, because they're basically
  • [43:55] Mike: concealing their identity, right? It's not they're not. In other words, if what you're looking for is people that don't
  • [44:03] Mike: that are sort of professionals like that sort of suggests that they aren't right. And so I could see it being the opposite. I could see it being more compelling. It Yeah.
  • [44:04] Keith: Yeah. I mean,
  • [44:13] Keith: certainly over produced porn has issues as well. But all things being equal, um, I prefer obviously
  • [44:16] Keith: to see the person's face and
  • [44:22] Keith: so much more that, Yeah, I think that trumps the whatever benefit it is from being, you know,
  • [44:25] Keith: more authentic or however you want to call it.
  • [44:27] Keith: Um
  • [44:28] Mike: Mm.
  • [44:34] Mike: Yeah. And that's because you want to see their facial reactions. Even though the facial reactions are
  • [44:36] Mike: No, I think a big
  • [44:39] Keith: I think a big part. Well, right. I mean,
  • [44:47] Keith: fair point. Yes. I think a big part of arousal for me is seeing someone's face like it's not just their sexual organs.
  • [44:50] Keith: Yeah,
  • [44:54] Keith: maybe it's Maybe it's different for you, Mike.
  • [44:56] Keith: Um,
  • [44:59] Mike: I mean, the faces pretty intimate. So
  • [45:05] Keith: it Right. Right. Okay. So the reason why I asked this is there's like a
  • [45:12] Keith: there's, like, a personal safety aspect, Right? So, like, you know, one thing that people do to, like help with their personal safety is
  • [45:20] Keith: never show their face. Right. Um you know, if you have, like, markings on your body. That's not perfect. But, um,
  • [45:22] Keith: you know, that can be good.
  • [45:23] Keith: Um,
  • [45:30] Keith: as for as for you, you do show your face in your work. What have you done to sort of ensure that
  • [45:35] Keith: you're safe? I mean, you can never be perfectly safe, but what sorts of things do you do, too?
  • [45:36] Keith: You know,
  • [45:37] Keith: try to keep things safe.
  • [45:39] Juniper: Um,
  • [45:41] Juniper: some things that
  • [45:56] Juniper: I don't know if they are super helpful, but I never use my real time when I say like, Oh, I'm going to be broadcasting this time. I usually use central time. It's
  • [46:04] Juniper: not the time that is in this time zone. I never say my real estate, birthday name,
  • [46:08] Juniper: anything like that. If my partner is on Kim with me,
  • [46:10] Juniper: he will also have a fake name
  • [46:22] Juniper: or a stage name. Um, so that, you know, no personal information is being shared. And all of my personal social media is private.
  • [46:27] Juniper: I have deleted anything with location markers.
  • [46:29] Juniper: Okay. Kind of stuff like that. Yeah,
  • [46:33] Keith: that's pretty. That's pretty sophisticated. Um,
  • [46:40] Keith: and I mean, has it ever happened that you've said your partner's name or your partner has said your name while on camera accidentally.
  • [46:42] Juniper: Okay,
  • [46:45] Keith: that's good. Well, you can imagine And like, you know,
  • [46:48] Keith: in the heat of passion accidentally
  • [46:54] Mike: making. That's an interesting question if you're with your partner. I didn't consider this. If you're doing a show with your partner,
  • [47:02] Mike: is that totally faked? Because the guy barring something like Viagra and I'm assuming a male partner here, of course.
  • [47:05] Mike: Um, so correct me if I got that, but I think you said before it was a male partner.
  • [47:14] Mike: Um, but I mean, like, the man would have a harder time faking it and their elements of what you might show that are impossible for the guy to fake. And maybe
  • [47:17] Mike: yeah, maybe you wouldn't need to either. In that case, what? How does how does that work?
  • [47:18] Mike: Okay,
  • [47:27] Juniper: um, it's not always fake. I I know that. That's kind of the stereotype. It's It's hard to tell what it is or isn't. So,
  • [47:32] Juniper: um, but when I'm with my partner, I try and be, um
  • [47:34] Juniper: uh huh.
  • [47:49] Juniper: What's it called? Sorry. My brain is cutting out. Yeah, I try to be present, but talk about it before hand. Like, hey, I have to react this way to such and such. Um, if we get to this part of the show,
  • [47:57] Juniper: this is kind of what my customers are expecting. If you don't feel comfortable with anything,
  • [48:02] Juniper: um, just let me know, and we can, um, figure it out from there.
  • [48:03] Juniper: So,
  • [48:04] Juniper: um,
  • [48:13] Mike: can you give an example of a reaction that you might have to have That's, like, unusual. I'm just that actually did. It never struck me that that, like, I never thought of that before. So is there like a
  • [48:18] Mike: when you say you have to have a conversation? Is there something specific or even you could make up something that's like one of the things you have to do
  • [48:20] Mike: to give an idea of what you mean.
  • [48:25] Juniper: Well, like when the vibrations go off in the lush, it's
  • [48:39] Juniper: you have to play it up for the audience. And that's something that you have to be like. Hey, by the way, I react this way when, um, they tip so that they're not like, What are you doing? You know,
  • [48:40] Mike: right?
  • [48:47] Mike: Of course we'll be kind of cool. I have a woman. Well, yeah, but he's going to know it's not realistic he's not gonna know. He's going to know. It's not. Um,
  • [48:50] Mike: yeah. There's something odd going on, right?
  • [48:57] Juniper: Kind of, Um, we've only really had sex on Cam one time.
  • [49:02] Juniper: Um, that cam session didn't do super well because I didn't know,
  • [49:21] Juniper: like he was verified on there. You have to have everyone verified before they are brought onto your camp. Um, but I didn't know that you had to switch it from. I am a female in your bio two. I am a couple before you can go on with multiple people. So they will, like, not show your camp to other people when that is happening,
  • [49:25] Juniper: because they're I don't know why they do that, but
  • [49:32] Juniper: that's what happened the first time. So we had, like, two or three people in the room. Um, the next time, we just did like a little B d S m
  • [49:36] Juniper: tip this much for a paddle. So
  • [49:40] Juniper: I was, like, tied to the door, and that was fun.
  • [49:40] Juniper: Uh
  • [49:41] Keith: huh.
  • [49:47] Keith: How does he feel generally about this stuff? Is are there any jealousy issues?
  • [49:58] Juniper: No, he's been very supportive. Uh, we are in a poly relationship, so we don't really do jealousy. Normally,
  • [50:02] Juniper: um, this isn't really an exception, so
  • [50:04] Juniper: yeah,
  • [50:07] Mike: I could see I could see another kind of jealousy, though in that, like,
  • [50:09] Mike: this is Well,
  • [50:15] Mike: this cuts both ways. But, like, this is something that a woman can do that a man really can't do profitably.
  • [50:22] Mike: And so I can imagine there being jealousy in the sense that it's like this, this career path that you have that, like, it's not really available to a guy.
  • [50:24] Juniper: Interesting. I hadn't thought about it like that.
  • [50:26] Juniper: I can always
  • [50:27] Mike: come up with a new form of jealousy.
  • [50:39] Juniper: I have heard of males being successful, but it just takes a little bit more effort than I guess it would. A female.
  • [50:46] Keith: Is that true? Are there actual successful, like male only fans and chatter Bait models like
  • [50:54] Mike: I saw one on chatter. Bait. Keith? Uh, the end. Okay. It was this guy and he had a lot. A lot of fans. What's this going on?
  • [50:56] Keith: I'm just worried about what you're going to say.
  • [51:07] Mike: No, no, it's not that bad. This man, he will be the judge of that. Okay? This man and he I haven't seen him in a long time, and I do click on the men part occasionally
  • [51:09] Mike: for my own enjoyment.
  • [51:10] Mike: Um,
  • [51:19] Mike: because I like to see what's going on out there. But the this man purported to have an incredibly long Penis, and I'm positive that it was fake,
  • [51:22] Mike: but I couldn't prove it.
  • [51:22] Mike: I mean, he's
  • [51:26] Keith: using computer fix or like, how did he How did he have a fake
  • [51:35] Mike: Venus? It was It was I think it was some sort of prosthesis that he had and like he would, he would sort of hold his hands in this odd way. And I was there.
  • [51:46] Mike: I got kicked out a few times, but I kept I kept trying to pierce the veil and like, this can't be real because it was absurdly long and he kept licking it like an ice cream cone. He was able to
  • [51:48] Keith: he could he could auto.
  • [51:49] Keith: He could auto fill it
  • [52:05] Mike: like I actually got Juniper is like, Whoa, I got our attention. Uh, look, it was fake, but I mean, imagine like, if you take if you take a ruler and and let's say that you you assume a man's Penis is 12 inches long, you just put it in the man's crotch and you go out 12 inches. Yes. You could look that like an ice cream cone.
  • [52:06] Keith: Yeah. Okay. Right.
  • [52:10] Mike: Keep is now trying. Yeah, right. Um
  • [52:13] Mike: and so that's what he was doing now. I mean, I think it's partly tells you that there aren't
  • [52:20] Mike: maybe any men that have that length because of that. People don't often think that through, like how easy. Like it's just you just bend over and there it is.
  • [52:23] Mike: Um, it's like that. What you were saying that and I just
  • [52:28] Keith: It's like that with women and breast size, right? Like some women can lick their own nipples if their breasts are long enough.
  • [52:31] Keith: Long enough. Large enough, long
  • [52:34] Juniper: enough. Whatever.
  • [52:35] Keith: I
  • [52:39] Mike: think like women pretty universally. Don't get much out of that.
  • [52:43] Juniper: Yes, but it's a super nipples. Are
  • [52:48] Keith: does it like I'm not?
  • [52:57] Keith: I don't know. I feel like, Yes, Keith, it does. I feel like most of the time when women are licking their own nipples, it's just it's performative.
  • [53:03] Keith: It's like Okay, all right. You can't tickle yourself right? Like, is it possible to, like,
  • [53:05] Keith: give yourself
  • [53:14] Keith: nipple like actual set? I mean, well, although I am able to masturbate myself. So maybe I don't know. Sorry. I'm thinking out loud here. I don't I'm getting there with you.
  • [53:22] Juniper: I can barely lick my nipples. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you.
  • [53:24] Mike: Do you like it? Does it do anything for you? If
  • [53:28] Juniper: it was easier for me, I would do it more often.
  • [53:34] Juniper: And I'm a really sensitive nipples. So I'm not sure if that's the same for all girls.
  • [53:34] Keith: It's
  • [53:37] Juniper: not.
  • [53:55] Keith: Yeah, some women really appreciate, uh, nipple play and some don't. Maybe it's my technique, but in my experience, some people like Lord and some and some don't. It's not that, okay? It's not that they actively dislike it. It's It's that it's just less, uh, invigorating.
  • [54:06] Mike: Uh, juniper, I think you mentioned to us something about nipple sex. Actually, in, uh, when you when you initially reached out to us. What What was that about?
  • [54:08] Juniper: Um,
  • [54:12] Juniper: I I found this type of porn. That is
  • [54:15] Juniper: very scary to me. Um,
  • [54:18] Juniper: it's called nipple fucking
  • [54:22] Juniper: what? It's not titty fucking It's nipple fucking And
  • [54:24] Mike: my attention to
  • [54:29] Juniper: this day is the scariest thing I have seen in the foreign category.
  • [54:31] Juniper: They were legit.
  • [54:32] Juniper: Um
  • [54:34] Juniper: her nipples were big enough
  • [54:40] Juniper: where a dick could go into it and
  • [54:42] Juniper: just he would fuck the nipple.
  • [54:45] Keith: It was, like, inverted that the nipple was converted.
  • [54:47] Juniper: Somehow
  • [54:56] Juniper: I like it wasn't inverted. It was. Obviously, people can't see my hand motions, but, um,
  • [54:58] Juniper: it was
  • [55:03] Keith: the circumference of the of The nipple itself was wide, and it was wider than than his His
  • [55:05] Juniper: shaft.
  • [55:08] Juniper: He could fit an entire dick in there.
  • [55:09] Keith: Mm.
  • [55:14] Keith: I feel like you should send us this video and we'll do this at the beginning of the next episode because that I
  • [55:16] Mike: can find a cape. Don't worry. Okay. Sorry.
  • [55:22] Keith: You know what? I forgot that we have the number one power and find her in the world here, So never mind. I
  • [55:31] Juniper: got it. That's why I like in that. You know, I wanted to see if you guys had any porn that you had found that just like scarred you.
  • [55:34] Juniper: Because I wanted to see if there was anything that was
  • [55:37] Juniper: more alarming than that video that I had found.
  • [55:40] Mike: Why is that so alarming to you?
  • [55:45] Juniper: If you had seen the nipples, you would understand she was taking two dicks
  • [55:47] Juniper: through her chest, too.
  • [55:51] Juniper: It started with one, and then another guy came in,
  • [55:52] Juniper: and I just
  • [55:58] Juniper: I feel like that would hurt so much Getting the nipples to that size, it looked like,
  • [55:59] Juniper: Yeah.
  • [56:02] Mike: You think she did something to herself
  • [56:04] Mike: to get them that pick? Yes.
  • [56:09] Mike: Oh, I get it. You're not okay. I understand you're basically saying, like, the actual part that you would suck on
  • [56:12] Juniper: was that big?
  • [56:20] Mike: Oh, yeah. Okay, so that's some sort of body modification. It's like it's like one of those people. When when you have your ear lobes enlarged from piercing, for example,
  • [56:21] Keith: that you're engaged or
  • [56:23] Mike: whatever. Yeah.
  • [56:24] Mike: Wow.
  • [56:29] Mike: Um, I have seen many things that disturb me. Um,
  • [56:31] Mike: I have not seen that. So I can't compare
  • [56:38] Mike: the level of distress caused by the different by different things I've seen. But that's up there. Yeah, that's pretty odd. Let
  • [56:41] Juniper: me just see if I can find it.
  • [56:42] Juniper: Yeah.
  • [56:48] Juniper: I would like you to at least experience this before I go.
  • [56:51] Keith: Okay. Well, all right. I mean,
  • [56:55] Keith: yeah, I do not have a stomach for this kind of stuff, and so
  • [56:56] Keith: yeah,
  • [57:04] Keith: yeah, I feel like I don't have any memorable traumatizing. I mean, you know, everyone's seen two girls. One cup, that ones.
  • [57:09] Mike: Yes, right. Things involving, like a really intensive poop are often kind of challenging.
  • [57:13] Keith: Yeah, I don't like that,
  • [57:15] Keith: but I don't have
  • [57:17] Keith: Yeah, I don't have any.
  • [57:20] Keith: I don't have any memorable trauma that has stuck with me.
  • [57:25] Mike: Did you find it? We can get our get our porn research analysts looking for this.
  • [57:30] Juniper: You just got the Google nipple Fucking I don't know. Can you
  • [57:33] Keith: paste? Can you paste the link in the chat?
  • [57:36] Juniper: Um,
  • [57:39] Juniper: yeah, When? One second. Okay.
  • [57:42] Mike: It's literally the top result. When you Oh, yeah.
  • [57:44] Juniper: Do you see it?
  • [57:48] Mike: It says that she's Japanese. That's not okay.
  • [57:52] Mike: This is the X video. There must be some kind of weird implant.
  • [57:56] Mike: Whoa! Oh, my Lord.
  • [58:04] Mike: We'll put the link to this in the show notes as well. This is, uh this is not something I've seen before. It's clearly
  • [58:12] Mike: intensive body modification here. Or or maybe some sort of Oh, my God.
  • [58:14] Mike: This is
  • [58:17] Mike: so this is not This is just disturbing to you, Jennifer. It's not arousing at all.
  • [58:23] Juniper: No, I That seems so painful. Like the road to there. I just don't understand
  • [58:31] Juniper: why you would do that. I try and be very nonjudgmental. But for some reason this I cannot handle What
  • [58:36] Mike: is insanity? Very judgmental. And I also can't handle this.
  • [58:39] Keith: Yeah, this is okay. I gotta closest. That was not
  • [58:40] Keith: Yeah,
  • [58:44] Keith: I'm good. I'm good on the nipple. Fucking,
  • [58:45] Keith: uh,
  • [58:49] Keith: yeah. We can put the link in the in the show notes, but that was
  • [58:50] Keith: Yeah,
  • [59:01] Keith: that was extreme. Not great. Um, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. You did it. You did it. Um, It
  • [59:08] Keith: Okay, sorry. All right. Last last last sort of like a set of questions here. So how did you
  • [59:10] Keith: so the first time you were on chatter bait.
  • [59:30] Keith: And when you create a new account, it does some marketing stuff, and then, you know, you sort of there's this whole like suite of things people can do, right? They can have, like, a tic tac that can have a Snapchat that can have an instagram. They can have a twitter, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, how much time are you spending on camera versus maintaining all those social presences?
  • [59:47] Juniper: Um, I spend a lot of time trying to keep up with all of the social media. I think I've been off more than I can. True to with the different accounts that I have set up, Um, I'm doing my best to keep up with them all. Um,
  • [59:52] Juniper: yeah, I I don't know how many hours, because it doesn't really like
  • [59:54] Juniper: stop, You know, you're you're
  • [59:57] Keith: always sort of doing it persistently. Yeah,
  • [60:03] Mike: he was getting into this motivated by covid or something like that. Or was it? I mean, another? Yeah, Okay. Not not that.
  • [60:06] Juniper: Just really, Um
  • [60:09] Juniper: I've always wanted to do, like,
  • [60:14] Juniper: erotic work. I think it's fascinating. Like the psychology behind it.
  • [60:15] Juniper: Um,
  • [60:20] Juniper: So I started for the first time when I was just 18.
  • [60:22] Juniper: Um,
  • [60:27] Juniper: I started my first account. It didn't really take off because I didn't have any other media.
  • [60:38] Juniper: Um, I didn't really know how to market myself or how to stay more consistent, like I am now. Um, So I started it up again to see if I can
  • [60:41] Juniper: do better the second time, you know?
  • [60:43] Juniper: Uh huh.
  • [60:44] Mike: And what do we
  • [60:51] Mike: It's like the interpersonal dynamic you find fascinating or something. The reason I ask that I'm curious about you finding fascinating because I think most women do not find it fascinating.
  • [60:54] Mike: Would you agree with that? That it's like
  • [60:56] Keith: or they find it off putting or something?
  • [60:57] Mike: Yeah, that's right.
  • [61:01] Juniper: I don't know why they would find it off putting.
  • [61:10] Mike: Really? You can't. I mean, it's sort of a It's a little bit taboo. Uh, it's, um,
  • [61:13] Mike: yeah, it sort of flies in the face of like, it's It's like
  • [61:25] Mike: to the extent that a person is more interested in sort of forming a relationship with somebody and so forth. And sex is part of that kind of, like goes against that a little bit, and you can see women kind of finding that off putting.
  • [61:28] Mike: I could see men finding it off putting to, To be fair,
  • [61:34] Juniper: I'm not sure I'm the best person to ask about that, because that just doesn't really make sense to me.
  • [61:44] Juniper: I think that in our day and age for corn and, um, sex work is everywhere. So, um, I don't see anything wrong with it.
  • [61:51] Mike: Sure, sure, obviously. You know, I just I'm, like, sort of mirroring back to you like a cultural thing. Yeah,
  • [62:03] Keith: Yeah. I mean, we obviously agree, but I mean I mean, we're not at a point yet where people can just, like, put on their public instagram like, Oh, yeah. Hey, this is my only fans. Is my chatter bait? Like, for example, Have you told your family?
  • [62:05] Juniper: Um, my mom knows
  • [62:14] Juniper: that's cool. Yeah. I actually don't go here. Don't like Oh, here I am.
  • [62:19] Keith: Right. Right, right. Was she was she supportive, or how did that? How did that conversation go?
  • [62:28] Juniper: Yeah, she was supportive. She basically said, like, Oh, I would want something a little different for you, but if that makes you happy, go for it.
  • [62:30] Keith: Yeah, that's great. That's
  • [62:33] Keith: Yeah. You can imagine that going differently for
  • [62:37] Keith: people with different family situations.
  • [62:38] Mike: Mhm.
  • [62:43] Mike: Yeah. I mean, like, one thing it makes me think is like, if if, uh
  • [62:47] Mike: if that becomes like, um, totally the norm, Like,
  • [62:55] Mike: some of the reason why you're able to charge for it is because there's a relatively small number of women doing it, right? I mean, as more and more women
  • [63:00] Mike: go online and do things like this go on. Only fans and so forth. I could imagine that lowering
  • [63:04] Mike: the price, people are willing to pay and and making it dis economic
  • [63:24] Juniper: kind of. It definitely depends. I've seen a couple girls be upset by free only fans because they say that if someone is making their account free than people are going to pay less for accounts that aren't free, Um, that's kind of the only thing that I could
  • [63:25] Juniper: see
  • [63:42] Juniper: making people want to pay less. But if someone has enough media where you want to know the person more, I think only fans is a great option to be like, Oh, this is more personal So I think if you have enough fans, they're going to pay.
  • [63:47] Mike: That makes sense. So there's going to be some women who do really, really well
  • [63:56] Mike: because they have. They've done their media really well, and there's going to be some who struggle because like there's some kind of notoriety, not notoriety. There's some some level of like
  • [64:00] Mike: fans or followers you need to get to right before there's like a demand for you.
  • [64:04] Juniper: Yeah, so with only fans, you can't find people on the website.
  • [64:10] Juniper: You have to specifically have their user name. You have to search them
  • [64:23] Juniper: intentionally to be able to find them. So that's why you have to be really good at marketing. Because if you don't have people who know you're not going to have anyone on your website, no one's going to follow you because they don't know your own
  • [64:35] Keith: Mike. It's for example, it's not like etc. Or even like Porn Hub, where they promote the more popular people. And so the popular people get more popular because there's this flywheel effect, only fans
  • [64:37] Keith: to my understanding.
  • [64:46] Keith: Yeah, doesn't yeah, everything you you sort of like you can't go to instagram dot com and, like, find interesting people like you. It's all,
  • [64:49] Keith: um, self discovery is that I think that's the right term for that.
  • [64:52] Juniper: Yeah, you're not to follow. Follow people,
  • [64:53] Mike: right?
  • [65:05] Mike: Right. And so there's a lot of like marketing yourself, telling people to go to your only fans page and like, over time, little by little, you Bill or, if you're lucky and have some big media exposure may be really quickly. You bounce up
  • [65:12] Juniper: and usually the most successful, because the re subscribe rate is very, very low,
  • [65:13] Mike: huh?
  • [65:18] Mike: That means what's re subscribe. That's like somebody's paying for a month,
  • [65:23] Keith: okay, Yeah. People pay for a month. They harvest all the content, and then they drop off.
  • [65:25] Keith: Yeah,
  • [65:27] Keith: that makes sense.
  • [65:28] Keith: Um,
  • [65:33] Keith: okay. We've been going. We've been going for well over an hour here. Uh,
  • [65:39] Keith: can you can you hit us with, like, whatever socials or whatever, Whatever. Whatever accounts you want to share.
  • [65:42] Juniper: Oh, um,
  • [65:48] Juniper: you can follow my Twitter. It's probably the most active social media that I have.
  • [65:53] Juniper: Just get the It's at Angel. June 666
  • [65:57] Keith: Okay. And are there any underscores or periods or anything like that?
  • [65:59] Juniper: No, that one's pretty easy.
  • [66:00] Keith: Okay,
  • [66:15] Keith: um, and yeah, we'll link to that in our in our show. Notes as well. Um, thank you very much for coming on. We really appreciate your time educating us a bit about this. This new world economy.
  • [66:17] Juniper: Any time.