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Episode 36: Throatpies, Tinder Superboosts, Too Tight Vaginas, Asexuality, Semen Drinking, Forced Insertion, 69

Team YMMV | 5-17-2021 | 1:09:22

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Back from a week off, we take a look at throatpie porn and discuss a big backlog of questions from Reddit. Return guest Eric gives us his insight into our topics.

Can vaginas actually prevent a penis from being withdrawn during sex? Are they that strong? Is it stable to be with a guy who is asexual?

And how should a camgirl react when a guy wants to show her a video of himself drinking his own semen on the stream?

To follow along with the videos discussed at the beginning of the episode:

https://ymmv.me/36/throatpie

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/36/too-tight

https://ymmv.me/36/asexuality

https://ymmv.me/36/drinking-own-semen

https://ymmv.me/36/forced-insertion

https://ymmv.me/36/69

https://ymmv.me/36/sex-thoughts

Episode Transcript

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[0:10] Eric: if during sex, a woman were to say like, hey, let's do this thing. Like coming to a cup so I can drink it. Like I would be into that as soon as the semen was in the cop, she could renege and I wouldn't care,
[0:16] Keith: right? I've had my orgasm. Like I don't need to further subvert this person.
[0:17] Keith: Mm
[0:23] Keith: Yeah.
[0:31] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage. May vary. We talk about sex and relationships. I'm keith. My co host is Mike. Welcome Mike.
[0:33] Eric: Hey everyone!
[0:38] Keith: And today we have a returning guest, Welcome back to the program. Eric
[0:40] Eric: Hey guys,
[0:55] Keith: all right, you've been here before. So you know the drill? We talk about sex and relationship related things that come from our personal lives or things we find on our adventures around the internet. But first we open our show with a viewing and analysis of in
[0:57] Keith: porn video.
[1:05] Keith: As usual, Mike has found something he thinks is interesting for us. Can you set us up like
[1:20] Eric: That's right. So the U. R. L. For this has always will be in the show notes and we're going to start at five minutes and 55 seconds into it. I don't think that keith or eric has seen the video. If this is not,
[1:24] Eric: this is not in the category of shocking or
[1:35] Eric: it's not well, it could be shocking, depending on your attitude or your what you've seen in your life, but it's not like intended to gross you out. This is more like, yeah, I wanted to talk about like whether this is the kind of thing that
[1:37] Eric: guys would be off to our find compelling
[1:40] Eric: or have experienced in their life, so
[1:44] Eric: that's what we're going for here. So why don't you guys get queued up and let me know?
[1:47] Keith: Okay, I'm ready. Are you ready? Eric? Good to go.
[1:52] Keith: All right, I'm going to press play in 321 play.
[2:10] Eric: So it's a blonde lady with a big cock in her mouth. She's kind of bobbing up and down on it with her hand at the base. And now she went all the way down. It was a pretty long penis too. And now the guys sort of bucking against her head, she's looking at him, uh, little red eyes and she finally came up for air.
[2:12] Eric: Um, he's still,
[2:15] Eric: well now she's really going at it again.
[2:19] Eric: Uh, and it switched to a different scenes. We should probably stop it.
[2:20] Keith: Okay,
[2:25] Eric: So, yeah, I mean, the obvious gymnastics here is this
[2:39] Eric: uh ext rather extreme. And by the way, this is a compilation that people can watch. There's a lot of these, but basically, this is like the, they call it a throat pie, throat pie that comes from cream pie, but deep throat.
[2:51] Eric: Uh, and so this woman is, yeah, I get that written down. So this is, this is going to be a woman who's, who's capability is to um simulate a vagina with her mouth
[2:56] Eric: at the moment of ejaculation for the man, which I have to admit, I find pretty compelling.
[2:58] Eric: Uh no, no, hold on.
[3:04] Keith: Okay, There was no orgasm in the little clip, we saw, What does she do
[3:06] Keith: when the man actually comes?
[3:07] Eric: Well,
[3:11] Eric: I mean, it wasn't totally clear. He was sort of bucking against her
[3:13] Keith: and you think he was already has something there, But he probably,
[3:22] Eric: essentially, essentially the, I mean, you're welcome to, sort of, and our listeners are definitely welcome to listen, watch the rest of the videos there, but essentially, like,
[3:25] Eric: it's made clear through the course of this compilation that
[3:30] Eric: the standard experiences that he delivers the semen directly into her stomach
[3:33] Eric: without the mouth being involved, or, you know, the penises?
[3:37] Keith: Yeah, okay, several inches down here. You saw focus anyway,
[3:42] Eric: so is this a is this a uh an experience that you guys find compelling?
[3:43] Eric: Uh huh.
[3:45] Eric: Never, never done it. I don't think
[3:49] Eric: uh the game,
[3:52] Keith: how long do you think this man's penis is?
[4:00] Eric: That's a good question. Um I I didn't yeah, I should have figured you would go there.
[4:02] Eric: Let's see. I'm going to go with
[4:05] Keith: seven inches.
[4:07] Keith: Yeah, that seems about right.
[4:09] Keith: Yeah.
[4:14] Eric: I was just sort of compared, I was thinking, wow, he looks a little a little smaller than me, so
[4:17] Keith: Right. Uh
[4:19] Keith: I don't
[4:24] Keith: yeah, I mean, it's probably nice to go balls deep into someone's throat
[4:28] Keith: when you come. I'm sure that feels good. I just suspect that
[4:31] Keith: nine out of 10 women or more
[4:35] Keith: don't particularly enjoy that experience.
[4:43] Eric: I mean, in my experience, most women can't really deep throat so it's not really an option most of the time.
[4:47] Eric: Well, okay. But but I mean okay, but you'd be game for it. Eric no, sure,
[4:51] Eric: keith would be less interested because he's convinced that the woman, of course, doesn't like it.
[4:53] Keith: Well,
[5:08] Keith: yes, I think both of you to have less less concerned for the for the feelings of the of the other. But uh if I was convinced that they were fully game for this type of thing. Yeah, of course.
[5:09] Eric: Sure. So,
[5:14] Eric: so is this what your experience with this mike? Is this something you've done?
[5:18] Eric: It's like I have uh And yes,
[5:22] Eric: no, is it? But like it's a sensation like meaningfully better.
[5:23] Eric: Better than what?
[5:24] Eric: Uh
[5:28] Eric: Well compared to mouth and vagina.
[5:32] Keith: Well hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I want I want to add a third thing there. So
[5:35] Keith: yeah, I think usually when a girl,
[5:39] Keith: at least when a girl blows me to completion, she
[5:41] Keith: uses her hand on my shaft,
[5:46] Keith: uh in her mouth, sort of on the top half of my penis.
[5:49] Keith: Um I think that's pretty typical.
[5:51] Keith: Uh
[5:52] Keith: Sure.
[5:56] Keith: Right, So, so what's your point? Yeah. Well, how does
[6:05] Keith: being balls deep, you know, with your tip in the throat differ from the experience I just described.
[6:08] Eric: Sure. Yeah. So I mean,
[6:09] Eric: oh, how does it differ? It's better.
[6:16] Eric: Um I mean, I mean, essentially, yeah, I mean, essentially, like, you know, there's a
[6:23] Eric: an increased tightness around sort of the, I mean, yeah, once you sort of get to a certain depth, like the,
[6:28] Eric: around the throat narrows, yes, narrows and so it's going to be tighter.
[6:31] Eric: Um but I think most of the
[6:42] Eric: difference is like, yeah, I mean like as a guy, you have like a natural desire, irrational but natural desire to kind of thrust deeply when orgasmic
[6:44] Eric: and basically this like
[6:48] Keith: accomplishments, not irrational. That's rational.
[6:53] Keith: Well, it impregnates, right? I guess it's, yeah, but I mean it's just consciously
[7:00] Eric: mediators. It's not that's what I meant, It's unconscious. That's right. It's like this drive that you can't
[7:09] Eric: can't control and and and maybe you can't rationalize, but you write it obviously as an evolutionary purpose. But yeah, I mean like this sort of, this sort of gets you there
[7:14] Eric: in the blowjob context and it's pretty compelling and satisfying.
[7:18] Eric: Um eric also said, one of you asked like, well, how does a comparative
[7:26] Eric: vagina? I would say like, yeah, I mean, it's probably equivalent to like thrusting deeply into a vagina, right? Like it's not going to be better than that necessarily.
[7:31] Eric: Is this? So is this a porn? Is this a trope in porn that you guys have never seen before?
[7:32] Keith: No of course
[7:36] Eric: I've seen this. Okay, good. I'm not sure I have actually
[7:39] Eric: or I wasn't aware of it.
[7:40] Eric: Okay
[7:41] Eric: wait
[7:46] Keith: wait, pause, pause, pause. You've seen somebody deep throat a cock before In porn?
[7:49] Eric: Sure. But the throat pie. That's another
[7:58] Keith: thing I see. Okay. Yeah. So we only saw this 15 2nd clip. If this if this 20 minute 24 2nd video is
[8:00] Keith: You know 80 clips of
[8:04] Keith: this girl taking this guy's load.
[8:08] Keith: Yeah I guess I haven't seen that. Um
[8:09] Eric: I mean Yeah.
[8:14] Eric: Yeah it's sort of rare because most most porn is obsessed with the cum shot right?
[8:21] Eric: So it's usually a facial or they do it on their tongue or whatever. Uh This is this is almost like a stealth stealth cum shot
[8:25] Keith: she regards actually, I mean it's not going to be able to show it to the camera.
[8:41] Eric: Okay to get like to hang on so to get to get a better sort of understanding here. Maybe it would be useful to look at another. There's another clip in here that I noted in the notes that I think maybe we should take a look at you like you the same video. Why don't we skip ahead to for
[8:52] Eric: The same video? We can just skip to 15:45. Which gives our listeners an idea. There's a lot of semen being deposited in throats in this video. 45 years. Yes.
[8:54] Eric: Uh So you're going to see like
[8:57] Keith: at that time stamp is uh
[8:58] Keith: Yeah
[9:01] Eric: yeah that's actually the end of the clip before the clip we're going to watch.
[9:06] Eric: Uh So this is this clip. I'm just going to set it up for you
[9:12] Eric: because the action is pretty intense when it gets started. This clip is uh is going to be
[9:14] Eric: they're having p I've
[9:17] Eric: missionary sex, but as the man
[9:20] Eric: arrives at his climax, he actually pulls out
[9:22] Eric: and moves up to her head
[9:34] Eric: to put it in sort of fully into her mouth uh climax there, which is sort of interesting. It's like the opposite of the maybe the typical it's an inversion of the typical kind of process.
[9:42] Eric: So why don't we do this one? You can count it down, you can see 15 45 or 14? 45? 15 45. Okay,
[9:45] Keith: I mean in the thumbnail for this clip,
[9:51] Keith: his cock is so deep down her throat that it looks like he doesn't even have
[10:00] Keith: a penis, right? Like this could be, I mean, you can sort of tell it's a man, but this could be a this could be a picture of a woman going down on another woman.
[10:03] Eric: That's true, yes.
[10:15] Keith: Like if I didn't know, I would have been I would have been thank you. I would have been sort of confused. All right, I'm going to start this in 321 play.
[10:16] Eric: All right,
[10:21] Eric: so now here we're getting into it. Okay? He was a missionary. Now he's
[10:24] Eric: now she's put it down her throat and
[10:37] Eric: basically riding her face maximally actually sort of I mean, you can see his nuts. So it's not to the point of what keith is saying, but it is now he's sort of fallen over and he's just writhing against her face.
[10:44] Eric: Okay? And that finished. So that gives you kind of like the I think it's pretty obvious there that in fact this man is fetishizing, sort of
[10:47] Eric: putting his semen directly into her stomach,
[10:50] Eric: you've never seen?
[10:51] Keith: No.
[10:53] Keith: I
[11:01] Keith: find this mildly majorly compelling. Yeah. If there was a woman who was game to do this, I would
[11:05] Keith: yeah, agreed I would sign up for this. This is sort
[11:19] Eric: of like a new congratulations. Like there's like a new experience for me. I didn't think those existed really. Uh You know like weird fetish stuff eric do you think you could peek up, you can pick up your masturbation experience for like at least a week or two with these?
[11:20] Eric: I don't know, I have to explore a little. They'll get
[11:23] Keith: back, report back with results
[11:30] Keith: and then one that we just saw his first rope, he actually lets loose before he gets his penis in her mouth, which is unfortunate.
[11:35] Eric: Yeah, he's uh well I mean imagine how complicated the thing he has to do is,
[11:39] Keith: Yeah, I mean we're missing the forest for the trees there, but yeah,
[11:40] Keith: getting the timing right.
[11:48] Eric: Well he's doing, he's putting on a show for actress is annoyed that this is like the niche that she's the cheese master
[11:51] Eric: depends on how much money she makes. Right? Fair enough.
[11:53] Eric: Um But yeah, I mean just just to
[11:59] Keith: Give it a 170 274,000 views.
[11:59] Keith: Yeah,
[12:04] Keith: I don't know how well that monetize is.
[12:11] Eric: Yeah, I mean this is this is a niche. I think that was pioneered by the inimitable heather harmon of I deep throat.
[12:13] Eric: I was just thinking of her,
[12:18] Eric: she wouldn't finish like this though, she would just do her crazy deep throwing skills. And then
[12:22] Eric: actually there were some really good videos where she finished like this.
[12:27] Keith: Oh yeah, it seems like mike has long been a connoisseur of this. Uh Well,
[12:31] Eric: these were videos taken and maybe
[12:38] Eric: Maybe in the year like 2001 or something. And so they are not high def enough for the modern 360 p. or whatever.
[12:40] Eric: Oh, it's yeah, it's not going to get you there.
[12:41] Eric: So
[12:43] Eric: dating yourself did
[12:48] Eric: well, I mean, look, I I consumed porn from all eras.
[12:52] Keith: Right. Right, okay. All right. I think we're done with this with this video technique.
[12:53] Keith: Um
[12:55] Keith: I wanted to
[12:58] Keith: bring something up that I
[13:03] Keith: experimented with last week. Tinder has this option
[13:07] Keith: where you can buy what they call a super boost.
[13:08] Keith: And
[13:10] Keith: they claim that you get
[13:16] Keith: 100 up to 100 times the views on your profile as you normally would
[13:18] Keith: and
[13:26] Keith: The shortest you can pay for 36 or nine hours and the three hours super boosts. I think the price varies, but for me it was $40.
[13:28] Keith: So
[13:29] Keith: I tried it
[13:32] Keith: and I
[13:39] Keith: Uh check back the next morning and because I pay for tender, I can see how many people who have liked me. I had 119
[13:41] Keith: new likes
[13:42] Keith: and
[14:03] Keith: you know that's a lot. I imagine this is what it feels like to be an attractive female. Like you sort of check your Tinder for the first time in a week and you have this avalanche of interest. What was the quality like? So I you know I I needed a way to like quickly pared down. So you know if just from the thumbnail photo they looked
[14:08] Keith: they didn't look great. I got rid of them that got it down to like,
[14:09] Keith: oh wait
[14:12] Eric: hang on, can I ask a question really quick. Yes.
[14:16] Eric: So um on Tinder generally
[14:20] Eric: the methodology you use is to
[14:28] Eric: you don't even bother swiping right? Like you don't use it in the traditional way. You just because you pay for their like gold package, you basically just
[14:30] Eric: um
[14:37] Eric: only look at the people who already liked you. Is that right? Or do I remember that you have to give you a certain amount of swiping in order, Like just irrelevant.
[14:44] Keith: Tinder won't show you to other people unless you use the app regularly. So if you never swipe
[15:01] Keith: they'll never show you to anyone. So you have to do like some sort of slow paddling. So that Tinder thinks you're still an active user and I'm not sure a fast paddling place wiping more would have them show you two more. There's probably diminishing returns on swiping, but doing none means you'll never get any. You won't get shown to anyone.
[15:03] Eric: Okay, so carry on.
[15:05] Keith: Yeah.
[15:08] Keith: All right, so I pared it down to like 40.
[15:13] Keith: And then I looked at their profiles and of the 40
[15:16] Keith: four were trans.
[15:17] Keith: Mhm.
[15:19] Keith: And
[15:21] Keith: I'm like,
[15:23] Keith: we talked a little bit about this before.
[15:28] Keith: I'm like sort of surprised that
[15:32] Keith: yeah. I mean like my initial filter was like, you know, people that I'm not sexually attracted to
[15:33] Keith: and
[15:38] Keith: for trans people once again, like got through that
[15:41] Keith: through that thing. And you know, if you look at their photos carefully,
[15:51] Keith: you can sort of tell. But I think for all of them, it was like reading their profiles. Trans people always say they're trans. Or at least these four did. Maybe maybe there were even more than four.
[15:52] Keith: Um
[15:54] Keith: But I just think,
[15:57] Keith: yeah, I feel like some of the
[16:03] Keith: things that people are doing to their bodies now can be pretty convincing. And
[16:05] Keith: I don't know. What do you guys think of that when
[16:08] Eric: you found out they were trans, you then rejected all of them?
[16:09] Keith: Yes, that is
[16:14] Eric: correct, yes. So the mere fact of them being trans was sufficient
[16:19] Eric: for you for you to you have no interest in dating a trans person or having sex with a trans person?
[16:26] Keith: Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, generally I'm not interested in male genitalia.
[16:27] Keith: Okay.
[16:30] Keith: Uh not like a hotline for you.
[16:31] Keith: Well,
[16:33] Keith: yeah, I think so.
[16:35] Keith: Okay,
[16:37] Keith: what if
[16:40] Keith: Natalie Portman had a penis?
[16:41] Keith: Yeah,
[16:42] Keith: like, would you be interested?
[16:46] Eric: She'd be next Portman and no, I wouldn't be interested.
[16:49] Keith: Even if you were just gonna blow you or whatever.
[16:55] Keith: What if she could blow you with the, with the fervor that the person from that video?
[17:02] Eric: I mean, there's some level where you wouldn't even know that she had a penis. That's the problem. I mean, yeah, this is like a schrodinger's cat.
[17:11] Keith: Exactly, yeah. So if I say, you don't know, she has a penis. You don't know. She's trans. She presents as Natalie Portman.
[17:14] Keith: Yeah. You'd let that person blow you okay. Yeah. And then,
[17:16] Eric: yeah,
[17:20] Eric: Yeah. If I believe someone was look for all, I know I've been blown by a trans person,
[17:23] Eric: right? That's not really the point of the question.
[17:28] Keith: Right? Well, what if you knew there was a penis, but you weren't going to interact with it at all? And
[17:32] Eric: yeah, Unless I was in prison or something, I don't, Yeah, I think that would be a hard no, for me,
[17:41] Eric: Okay, what if you, wait, what if you knew that you wouldn't have to interact with the penis? Because I think, I think hard, no, for me, because I'd be worried about that
[17:43] Eric: does not matter.
[17:45] Eric: It doesn't matter.
[17:46] Eric: I don't
[17:47] Keith: yeah,
[17:50] Keith: I'm not sure, I mean, I don't
[17:53] Keith: like blow jobs that much and so
[17:54] Keith: yeah, like
[17:59] Keith: foreclosing on an interaction below the navel is interesting.
[18:09] Eric: So you're like empathy instincts, like the thing that makes you not like blowjobs is this notion of the girl doesn't like them if you knew it was actually a guy?
[18:11] Eric: Is that reaction on your part lessened in any way?
[18:15] Keith: Yeah, that's actually a really good question. I never thought about that. Yes, definitely. This could
[18:16] Eric: be your gateway drug to blow jobs.
[18:18] Keith: No,
[18:20] Keith: no, no, no, no, no,
[18:21] Keith: no. I think
[18:25] Eric: it could be keith because I think you could I think you could specifically
[18:31] Eric: say that you're interested in trans people only to receive blowjobs from them and you might actually get some
[18:41] Keith: takers on that. No, I'm not disagreeing that, that this would be mechanically difficult to execute. I'm sure I can find a trans person to blow me. But
[18:46] Keith: yes, it's not that I struggle to find someone. It's that I don't want to.
[18:47] Keith: Okay.
[18:47] Keith: Yeah.
[18:49] Keith: So
[18:55] Keith: anyway, okay, we have a bunch. We have like
[18:57] Keith: 25 topics from Reddit
[18:59] Keith: uh saved up here. Let's
[18:59] Eric: work through them.
[19:04] Keith: Yeah. Let's start with this pussy clamping one. yeah,
[19:06] Keith: it's loading for me here.
[19:08] Eric: This delusional woman
[19:12] Eric: delusion or whatever. The whole the whole reddit thread was delusional. In my in my view,
[19:15] Keith: this is a yeah, this is a woman. Okay. All right.
[19:22] Keith: My girlfriend clamp down on me in the middle of sex. So earlier today, in the middle of sex, my girlfriend told me to thrust all the way in. So I did.
[19:24] Keith: Then she told me watch this.
[19:30] Keith: She then clamped down with her pussy muscles which felt good and told me to try to pull out.
[19:33] Keith: I gave a few tugs but found that I was stuck tight.
[19:37] Keith: I mean I could, I probably could have pulled out with some strenuous effort, but it would not have been easy
[19:50] Keith: and then look down at her and saw her grading up at me. Not going to lie, It was kind of terrifying, but also kind of hot at the same time. Ladies, have you ever done anything like this with your S. O.
[19:51] Keith: Yeah,
[19:54] Keith: who wants to, who wants to start here?
[20:02] Eric: Well, I don't, I mean, maybe ERic has an opinion. I think you almost know what my opinion is going to be to start with. Eric. What have you been clamped down on like that?
[20:04] Eric: Not like that. I mean
[20:09] Eric: girls will Kagel to varying degrees. I don't find it particularly like physically stimulating.
[20:20] Eric: Um, I don't know why it seems like it should feel good in fact does not feel good to me. So I don't know. And the fact that being like trapped is kind of creepy. It's like a weird sort of
[20:25] Eric: wait so your weight.
[20:34] Eric: So you believe that you believe the story to be your like suspending disbelief here. Do you actually believe that the guy's penis was was trapped by her vagina?
[20:36] Eric: Uh
[20:40] Eric: listen, I have never experienced anything like that. It seems kind of
[20:42] Eric: shocking, but I don't know.
[20:46] Eric: Okay, it must be true, right? I mean, okay,
[20:53] Keith: hold on. You've already stated your position without formally stated, you're stating your position, but right.
[20:59] Keith: Yeah. I mean, of course we've all felt when a woman pinches or cake kegels,
[21:00] Keith: uh,
[21:08] Keith: I agree with eric. It doesn't really feel that great. Like I think like the natural amount of friction
[21:12] Keith: is about the right amount and
[21:14] Keith: yeah, when they, when they pinched down
[21:27] Keith: yeah, it can make it harder to insert, but I don't I mean it's certainly never made it so that I did King Arthur my cock. It's not
[21:35] Keith: Yeah, I mean that's preposterous. And let me let me state your let me state your opinion for you, mike, you think
[21:38] Keith: this man was lying to?
[21:43] Keith: No, this man says this man himself thinks he was stuck tight, but you think he's he's performing? I
[21:49] Eric: think it's a fake post basically, like Yeah, my view is that like, this is just bullshit, like
[21:54] Eric: yeah, this this is a thing that didn't happen and like, this person was like karma farming or something, like
[21:59] Keith: hold on, like on the long tail here, you could imagine it being
[22:00] Keith: possible.
[22:04] Eric: No, maybe she did those exercises every day.
[22:12] Keith: No, I mean like, she was like, the Arnold Schwarzenegger of Kegels, right? She was she was seven standard deviations above the mean, Like, is it possible to
[22:18] Eric: know it's not possible, I fisted a woman before, and, like, if you,
[22:20] Eric: you know, you can,
[22:23] Eric: when you have your whole hand in there,
[22:28] Eric: you can form a fist, right? You can, you know, you can imagine, like when you're inserting your hand,
[22:41] Eric: you can imagine the position you would put your hand in to get it through the orifice, but then once it's inside there's more space, right? So you can form a fist, and when you do that, if you hold your hand in the fist,
[22:42] Eric: it
[22:47] Eric: you probably could get it out, but it actually, like, feels kind of stuck, So like, that,
[22:54] Eric: you know, gives you an idea of like, how wide something needs to be to like, actually feel stuck, and of course it's not actually stuck because
[23:02] Eric: if so then like, how does the baby's head get out and so forth. Although there's other physiological things there, but like, when you're talking about a penis, like it's like, that's just not
[23:03] Eric: the
[23:05] Eric: No, like that's a fair point.
[23:10] Eric: Yeah. Like if she could do that, then she could be, she could do things like stop her period blood from leaking out.
[23:12] Eric: She's like, I'm just holding it.
[23:13] Keith: Maybe she
[23:18] Eric: can she can she can. No, she can't. It just be a cool party trick.
[23:21] Eric: Yeah. Well, sort of
[23:27] Keith: in my experience when women do this, it's sort of like pushes me out. Like it doesn't
[23:29] Eric: that's because you're not in deeply enough
[23:34] Keith: give shut it. Like, you know, I think it's like
[23:36] Keith: Mhm.
[23:40] Keith: Yeah, it's like squeezing from the end of the of the toothpaste.
[23:46] Eric: I I actually generally don't like this sort of squeezing behavior. Can you guess why?
[23:49] Keith: Because it reminds you that the person you're sleeping with us a human?
[23:53] Eric: Yeah, it's too intimate. Yeah, that sort of bothers me.
[23:58] Eric: Yeah, it was interesting to me, it just feels like weirdly alien
[24:01] Eric: now to me it feels intimate because it's like, it's like
[24:05] Eric: she's trying to
[24:06] Eric: um
[24:08] Eric: she's trying to participate.
[24:17] Eric: Look, look, you don't belong here. Like this is where business. Yeah.
[24:29] Eric: Yeah. I mean like, I guess I have a very, I have a very simplistic mental model of whatever the active participants it's gonna real though. I think you'd really enjoy that. It's true.
[24:36] Keith: Yeah, they've talked about like the kinds of things that are needed for various people to prefer
[24:42] Keith: non partnered sex and yeah, I think the bar for mike, I think you've convinced me my guess is probably bullshit.
[24:49] Keith: Yeah, I think it's likely bullshit. I think it's interesting to explore the thought that it could be possible.
[25:00] Eric: Yeah. I just think he was like karma farming or like trying to get, trying to get women or it might even be a woman that posted. I'm not sure like there's some kind of, but yeah, I mean like it strikes me as like some effort to
[25:02] Eric: somebody has decided that
[25:19] Eric: it makes you powerful if you can do this and look, it's possible to do this. And so it's like this sort of like superhero thing that's going on. The other possibility is that he was just sort of overwhelmed by the moment and wasn't really aware of how firmly she was gripping him. Just like I was shocked him. And so I was like, oh,
[25:21] Eric: it was he experienced it as much
[25:39] Keith: More attention. Maybe he's 19 and you know, yeah, that's actually a good point. Okay, all right, here's another one. New boyfriend is a sexual, he just wants cuddles, intimacy, good conversation and to use toys on me. He spoils me rotten. Honestly, I'm really loving it and he's consistent in making me come and doesn't seem to mind not receiving at all.
[25:41] Keith: He'll just casually pet me and put his hand there.
[25:54] Keith: I don't know where there is. I guess her vagina after I come, we just fall asleep in a pile. I'm amazed is this real people are like this, you can just be happy giving me sexual attention and watching me come and feeling good about it.
[25:58] Keith: Breauxs. What even is life right now?
[26:01] Eric: This guy has self esteem issues.
[26:03] Eric: That's okay.
[26:03] Keith: He could begin.
[26:10] Eric: Why would he want to do that in the first place? If he was gay, he would just like want to watch a romcom
[26:20] Eric: highlight, right? That's pretty. That's I think that's to your stereotyping too much. It could just be like a guy who who uh
[26:23] Eric: you know, he
[26:28] Eric: he's like a little questioning, but he's just not, I mean, he's yeah, he's not actually into
[26:31] Eric: sex that much and he's willing to sort of like
[26:33] Eric: humor her.
[26:40] Eric: You know, I mean, it's it's just like the equivalent of like a woman who like, is like, look like I'm only actually interested in sex this often,
[26:42] Eric: but I'm willing to like sort of
[26:51] Eric: whatever give my, I'm not interested in sex. It sounds like very interested in sex because he's going sort of above and beyond
[26:55] Eric: and is into it. Apparently he's super into her
[26:56] Eric: experience.
[27:04] Eric: Um Yeah, I just it reads is like I want to participate in sex, but I don't have like the esteem to like be a man about it,
[27:15] Eric: it reminds me, but eric it reminds me of what I would do if I were required or expected to give an orgasm to a woman after I'd had my, I've had an orgasm.
[27:19] Eric: So in that situation I am like totally uninterested and I'm like, oh,
[27:22] Eric: so yeah, I'm like, I would do these sorts of things
[27:24] Eric: and maybe seem really interested.
[27:29] Keith: Maybe he prefers masturbating to actual sex and
[27:34] Keith: for the sake of the relationship. He's like willing to, I don't know. I don't know. I'm
[27:37] Keith: suspicious that this is true, but if it is
[27:39] Eric: true, it's not having an orgasm at all.
[27:40] Keith: Right?
[27:43] Keith: Not partnered, no. Yeah.
[27:45] Eric: Really strange.
[27:52] Eric: Maybe he's, yeah, it just just feels like insecurity to me. Like he's inexperienced and he is,
[27:55] Eric: feels awkward about
[28:01] Eric: her, like blowing him or having sex. I don't know. It feels like awkward and experience to me.
[28:06] Eric: Is this do you say that because this is something that you have experienced? Eric?
[28:08] Eric: No, I just
[28:13] Eric: this is, I don't know, it's just the read. I gotta, it's just a very odd set of behaviors in my opinion.
[28:23] Keith: Yeah. I think with like four follow up questions, we could learn a lot more about what's going on here, but we have insufficient data to understand.
[28:29] Eric: I'm reading over this question, I mean, it doesn't actually say that he's having orgasms,
[28:33] Keith: like, no, it specifically says he's not right,
[28:35] Eric: which it says, it says
[28:40] Eric: it doesn't specifically say it, but it's strongly implied that he's not and so it's just like, yeah, he's basically
[28:42] Eric: he's just masturbating her.
[28:55] Eric: So I don't know, I'm thinking he's not actually into her or maybe he's like has some weird religious hang up where he's, you know, he's not allowed to have sex and so this is his work around for that. Although I don't know why he wouldn't take a blow in that case.
[28:57] Eric: Right? Strange.
[29:02] Eric: Usually people come up with some explanation for why they can do something.
[29:03] Eric: Yeah, I
[29:07] Keith: mean it's Reddit, so the comments are always
[29:13] Keith: suspect at best, but this person says, yes, there's some guys who get a lot of pleasure from there from the pleasure they give to their partner.
[29:19] Keith: This is the guy who will very happily go down on his girlfriend and make her come until she has spent and then cuddle up and sleep
[29:25] Keith: with. Never a second thought that the night was actually anything less than perfect. Okay. I don't even know why I read that comment.
[29:28] Eric: Yeah, I don't know what that's even talking about. Yeah. Okay.
[29:30] Keith: Um
[29:32] Keith: this uh
[29:36] Keith: goes back to a topic the three of us have discussed before,
[29:39] Keith: eric is not going to like it, but I think
[29:56] Keith: we'd be remiss if we didn't go over this. Uh The subject is a guy drank his own come out of a cup for me. I've seen to self facials in the last week to my little dom. Heart is so happy, just wanted to share the good news. L. O. L. Sell facial must be
[29:58] Keith: you
[29:59] Keith: are
[30:06] Keith: upside down or you're lying on the floor, you position your penis over your face and you orgasm
[30:08] Keith: onto your own face. Is that a self facial?
[30:10] Keith: Yes,
[30:24] Eric: I've seen a video of this and it's not as compelling. It's even less compelling than it sounds, Sorry, it sounds not very compelling and the reason why it's even less compelling than it sounds, actually. Do you want to guess why it's less compelling? That sounds, Should I just tell you,
[30:26] Eric: go ahead? A
[30:29] Keith: good thing of many reasons why this is not at all compelling? Okay,
[30:33] Eric: so so what I've noticed from watching this,
[30:36] Eric: I've probably seen three videos or something where this happens
[30:38] Eric: is that
[30:53] Eric: you're imagining. Okay, so when it's when it's a man with a woman at least you typically it you know, he's excited enough where he's a porn star. So he's good at it that it kind of like shoots out with some force and velocity and kind of coats her face. I'm not into facials but like that you know,
[30:59] Eric: you know there is an element of, okay, so when when a guy is like
[31:03] Eric: on his back in this weird position to get this to happen,
[31:09] Eric: like it doesn't shoot out, it just like it just uses out
[31:14] Keith: peters out. I would think you would come out because it has the benefit of gravity, right?
[31:17] Eric: Yeah, but it's like, I think that like there's something about
[31:18] Eric: ah
[31:27] Eric: well yeah, the way I, the way I sort of interpreted that is like when you're on your back like that, it's like such an uncomfortable position that it doesn't like you're not able to like really?
[31:39] Eric: Yeah, like the times I've seen it, like it didn't wasn't clear the guy's penis was even hard, it's just weird looking little things sort of weird looking. And I think that's because like if you try to get into this weird position and then masturbate, like it's not
[31:41] Eric: that it's hard to like
[31:46] Eric: be that aroused and for things to work properly. And so what I've seen is it's just like,
[31:50] Eric: yeah, I mean some of this act is that
[31:52] Eric: you won't come hard enough, that's
[31:56] Keith: your main objection to it. I'm just saying like, I'm
[32:05] Eric: just saying like, if you if you're imagining something like a facial being given to a woman and so there's like this, I mean, as exciting as it can be important climax where like
[32:10] Eric: that comes just shooting everywhere. It's not like that. The way it looks is like
[32:13] Eric: uh, the roof of the shower at the gym were like,
[32:14] Eric: like
[32:16] Eric: uh,
[32:21] Eric: raindrops sort of collect and then drip down. That's more what it looks like. And you're like, well, this is just
[32:28] Eric: okay. It's weak. I bet that's not a function of the position. I bet it's just like the performer in the video you happen to watch
[32:32] Eric: was dry that day or something. I can't imagine it makes that big a difference.
[32:33] Eric: All right.
[32:35] Eric: That was what I saw. All right.
[32:40] Eric: So what are we going to talk about this? Like? Yes. That's very gross to me.
[32:47] Keith: Okay, so this this person, this person is a self identified dumb. She
[32:50] Keith: had a guy drank his own come out of a cup for me.
[32:55] Keith: That one is significantly different than the self facial. The self facial
[32:56] Keith: look
[32:59] Keith: sounds awful, but at least
[33:05] Keith: you're doing it sort of pre orgasm and during orgasm, drinking your own semen out of the cup
[33:07] Keith: is like
[33:12] Keith: you're subverting yourself at a time when you're not sexually aroused and it's like first degree
[33:16] Eric: murder versus manslaughter. Yeah, it's a much worse crime.
[33:18] Eric: Yes. Wait, what?
[33:19] Eric: It's like a premeditated?
[33:22] Eric: Oh because you're not because
[33:24] Eric: as opposed to
[33:27] Eric: somehow blowing yourself, I mean, it's the only
[33:42] Eric: look like the coming on your face is like at least the the acting like you're in the heat of the moment and you're like, oh, this is gonna be awesome. And then by the time you're, you're modularity, the semen is already on your face or as if it's in a cup and it's being handed to you 10 seconds later. Uh
[33:51] Eric: I feel like they're both awful. But like, yeah, one is clearly worse than the other. I have come in a cup before a woman drank it afterward.
[33:52] Eric: Oh sure how
[33:55] Keith: long after?
[34:09] Eric: Like immediately. I don't even know why that happened. Like I remember I have a memory of it. I think it was just like, I was like, what more can I do? Trying to come up with crazy things to do when you have like a willing partner. Um
[34:12] Eric: so that you find hot error?
[34:14] Eric: Well, here's the thing with that. Like,
[34:18] Eric: yeah, when you're aroused, that's kind of like a
[34:28] Eric: if during sex, a woman were to say like, hey, let's do this thing like coming to a cup so I can drink it. Like I would be into that as soon as the semen was in the cup, she could renege and I wouldn't care
[34:33] Keith: right, I've had my orgasm. Like I don't need to further subvert this person.
[34:37] Eric: Yeah. In fact, it would probably be a slight negative.
[34:39] Eric: Like, I can imagine
[34:45] Eric: convincing a girl to tell me this during sex. Me nothing into a cup and then me actually preventing her from doing it. Like don't do
[34:47] Keith: that. Would you rather cuddle with someone
[34:53] Keith: who just drink? You're not out of a cup or who hadn't just drink, You're not out of a cup. And I think it's. Yeah,
[34:57] Eric: but couldn't you have the right to know maybe like the next time
[35:07] Eric: next time you're aroused it will arouse you more of the fact that like she did that before. Like you have that level of control over her. So this is like high level,
[35:11] Keith: High level thinking this is 40 chess.
[35:15] Eric: Yeah maybe maybe four d. Chess.
[35:19] Eric: Yeah. I mean I don't I mean she definitely drank it. I didn't stop her.
[35:21] Eric: Ah
[35:24] Eric: And I just was there too remember
[35:27] Eric: the normal amount. Not nothing near what maybe you
[35:32] Keith: would have been like I thought maybe you would have been like sort of excited about this uh
[35:37] Keith: tasty treat you're going to deliver and that might have caused you to generate more.
[35:45] Eric: Yeah. I mean look I only I only have a memory of doing it once and so I know that like yeah in general
[35:51] Eric: delivering it directly is more compelling because like the Yaz eric said like the thought
[35:52] Eric: uh
[35:58] Eric: yeah it stops being arousing instantaneously. So it's like you want her to do that when you're being aroused by the fact she's doing it.
[36:01] Eric: But but I did it. You guys have not done that,
[36:02] Eric: take it now.
[36:04] Eric: No,
[36:04] Eric: I
[36:05] Keith: said
[36:06] Keith: no.
[36:06] Keith: Uh would you
[36:11] Eric: be is this something you would be interested in having a girl do?
[36:14] Eric: Sure, like, the concept is super hot.
[36:17] Keith: Yeah, but again, it's the concept
[36:20] Keith: that evaporates as soon as
[36:21] Keith: Mhm.
[36:25] Keith: Yeah, this is another like, schrodinger's cat type of thing, like as soon as
[36:28] Keith: it's possible to do, you don't want to do it anymore,
[36:38] Eric: but you don't want, I mean, okay, that's true, like preparing to do it would be great if, like during sex, a girl was like, hey, this would be awesome if you did this, I would get very excited about that,
[36:44] Eric: interesting. So it's a good move for a girl. But then so it so the tip to a woman, we do have
[36:51] Eric: a strangely high number of female listeners. The tip to a woman is to suggest this and then you don't even have to do it.
[36:55] Eric: Yeah, well I mean that's, that's sort of playing with fire. You have to be sure the guy,
[37:01] Eric: it's not like there's a trope in rom coms where the girls like they will, you promise to propose to me if I promise to say now,
[37:02] Eric: it's like
[37:07] Eric: like this implicit agreement thing. Anyway, I've never heard that trump.
[37:10] Keith: Yeah, you should watch more rom coms mike. Although
[37:12] Keith: you don't even like movies
[37:16] Keith: generally and I'm certain that Rome comes on your least favorite john
[37:27] Eric: it's in out of africa which is a movie I like a lot. I like the Shawshank Redemption, right? That's the one movie that's not a romcom. Unless you have really strange taste.
[37:32] Keith: I don't want to litigate
[37:34] Eric: next.
[37:36] Keith: Sorry, I'm affected wait
[37:46] Eric: hang on, hang on in the, in the comments to this thread because I have read this thread already and I see a lot of time on the sex subreddit. Um
[37:51] Eric: there was there was also so this was a cam girl by the way that had a guy do this right
[37:52] Keith: on camera,
[38:00] Eric: I believe. So, I believe this was a cam girl and it was from the camgirl problems subreddit will put the as usual, the
[38:07] Eric: the thread, the reddit thread will be in the show notes for people. Um and my recollection from the comments was that
[38:08] Eric: um
[38:19] Eric: then there was like this this succession of people buzzing in saying, well I had a guy like poop on a plate and eat it with a fork and knife and like these insane things that like guys,
[38:23] Eric: the guys do.
[38:24] Keith: Yeah,
[38:29] Keith: I mean I think this dumb thing is
[38:30] Keith: bizarre
[38:33] Keith: and I don't understand why
[38:37] Keith: men subject themselves to this and
[38:39] Keith: importantly,
[38:44] Keith: I don't understand why they subject themselves to things that happen after they've had their orgasm.
[38:47] Eric: Okay, here we go. Ok. So yeah. Ok,
[38:51] Eric: well maybe this is a no, no. All you read was the title Listen to this. Okay.
[38:52] Eric: This is the top comment.
[39:10] Eric: L. O. L. This happens to me like five times a week. I have one guy who cuts the tip of his dick with a razor every time and tells me to tell him it's hot when he shoots blood and come together. I can't be sure if that's true, but that's pretty out there. Another guy do. This is worse than fecal matters. Like I
[39:13] Keith: think we like this extreme should be like
[39:21] Eric: in an addendum or something. Hang on, Okay, that's true. But since we're already here, let me finish this. Another guy eats
[39:26] Eric: probably a quarter cup of his own shit off a dildo he had shoved in his, stop it,
[39:30] Eric: his treat it. Uh Oh, it's his own. That's okay then.
[39:34] Keith: No, that's that's worse. Well, I don't know if it's
[39:37] Eric: certainly not listen. It's uh let's
[39:41] Keith: would you rather eat your own shit or
[39:43] Eric: congratulations.
[39:51] Keith: Let's bring, let's bring female Natalie Portman back into the equation here. Or female Natalie Portman's like, I think it's worse if it's your own.
[40:01] Eric: I'd rather eat my own because I know what I know because I feel like my body knows itself, not my body knows itself. Like the notion of, okay, not participating in this.
[40:04] Keith: Let's let's move on. Let's move on.
[40:06] Eric: Anyway.
[40:11] Eric: But there's this broad thing like apparently cam girls,
[40:14] Eric: I don't feel like when we had
[40:21] Eric: cam girl on necessarily asked about this, but like cam girls see some pretty wacky stuff guys.
[40:34] Eric: You know, maybe that's part of the reason why canning and only fans are so popular is that like these things that like guys just cannot do outside of a paid arrangement. I think these are like their subscribers who are like sharing these fantasies with the
[40:36] Keith: Yeah. And they're
[40:39] Eric: like can drill partners that were videotaping with them. That's
[40:47] Eric: wait, wait, wait, not sharing fantasies. They're doing it like so, but the point is that these are the subscribers.
[40:53] Eric: So the girl, the candles are getting sort of bombarded with these like crazy, bizarre
[40:56] Eric: yes video. Like, hey, watch me do this.
[41:02] Keith: Well, especially if the camp person presents as a dumb, right? Like then that will disproportionately
[41:05] Keith: attract crazy submissive, funny.
[41:17] Eric: I've never really thought about that aspect of being a cam girl. Like I think that's actually worse than having to show yourself naked and having sex on some level. Like I think it's psychologically potentially more scarring.
[41:27] Eric: Yeah. Well it fits into my, one of my basic beliefs about male sexuality, which is that a lot of what men get off on is like look what I did to you.
[41:28] Eric: It just
[41:29] Eric: yeah,
[41:41] Eric: sure like facials, facials. Well, but look at what I did to myself for you. Yeah, but I made you watch this. It's that it's like it's like it's like I made this uh this sort of
[41:46] Eric: beautiful, clean, beautiful, whatever woman. This this this
[41:50] Eric: you know princess watch me eat my own.
[41:51] Eric: Anyway, let's move on
[41:53] Keith: key.
[41:55] Keith: Yeah. Yeah.
[42:02] Keith: We have more than adequately covered that topic. Okay. This person asked, would you indulge your partner's forced insertion fantasy.
[42:13] Keith: Yeah. For as long as I can remember I had what I guess I'd call now an object insertion fetish, 98 of the time I look for and watch porn that involves weird or random objects being stuffed inside Vaginas.
[42:31] Keith: I always felt too embarrassed to ask my sexual partner to do this to me after being chastised and made fun of for asking a previous long term boyfriend to fist me one drunken night. I'm particularly leery. She means to say wary to ever bring it up to subsequent partners. The bulk of my fantasies include forceful pussy stuffing in a surly authoritative way.
[42:38] Keith: I really want to fulfill my fantasies at least once. I'm too nervous to ask the person I'm currently dating to do this to me for a long while now I felt that
[42:51] Keith: I can fulfill my sexual fantasies is to do the dreaded and find a random online we'll never have to see again being I'd likely feel embarrassed. I do enjoy doing it myself, which I have been doing for a long time. I've inserted various objects inside myself throughout my life,
[42:59] Keith: but I just know it would be way more thrilling if someone else did it and if we pretended that they were forcing it in me so that, you know, there's sort of two aspects here.
[43:18] Keith: I hate to even mention the last part because like the whole unwanted slash force thing, it can lead down a bad road. But for some reason I thought it's always turned me on like crazy. So I guess my questions are, would you be comfortable or weirded out if the person that you've been dating for awhile asked you to screw them with a dick with dick shaped objects for fun. Like a remote or coke bottle or anything that would
[43:20] Keith: genuinely fit eventually.
[43:28] Keith: And also, would you be creeped out if your chick wanted to pretend like it was forced? Would you think differently of your partner in a bad way if they express these fantasies to you?
[43:38] Keith: Yeah. And then the last thing if you're a man that has this fetish also, what kind of things do you imagine putting inside your partner's vagina is just like looking for ideas?
[43:43] Eric: I don't think it's a fetish from for a man. But I uh
[43:47] Eric: I read this and I was like wow, like I would sign up for that.
[43:49] Eric: Yeah, it's just a general
[43:52] Eric: dom nature of it, right?
[43:59] Eric: I think I could be very creative and comfortable with some really good ideas.
[44:04] Keith: Uh Yeah one of the comments is it can make shopping for veggies more creative and fun.
[44:05] Keith: Uh
[44:15] Eric: I dated a girl who tried a cucumber and I remember her telling me that she peeled it before she stuffed it in her vagina. And I remember thinking that was funny.
[44:19] Keith: Why did she peel it? Oh so it doesn't have pesticides
[44:26] Eric: I guess. I just remember that and I remember thinking like that's I would have assumed you wouldn't peel it. Uh and she did,
[44:29] Eric: I would think I wasn't there when she did it. You know,
[44:37] Keith: I mean on one hand it's smoother before it's peeled, but on the other hand when it's peeled it has its own natural water lubrication,
[44:38] Eric: right?
[44:44] Eric: It doesn't necessarily smoother before it's peeled, it's going to like bumps and stuff, right? Which could be, you know, compelling.
[44:48] Keith: It depends on the sub species of cucumber we're talking about.
[44:57] Eric: Yeah, but I think I think maybe I do have like a little fetish for this because I've done in my mind, I'm thinking and I'm like I have inserted a number of different,
[45:00] Eric: I don't know what's the strangest object we need we need to
[45:08] Keith: double double click on that. Yeah. You made it sound like there are a number of things that weren't penises. Sure.
[45:10] Keith: Uh Go on. Well, like
[45:20] Eric: I don't want to ruin. Well, hang on. Eric. What's your what's yours he was gonna know nothing. I've never I don't think I've never even used to build a with a woman. Don't thank lord
[45:23] Eric: keith. You're going to say the same thing.
[45:28] Eric: Uh Yeah. Yeah. I've used like precious few like sex toys.
[45:30] Eric: Uh Yeah, I mean it would be fun to try. Sure.
[45:36] Keith: I've used a dildo and vibrator and of course, fingers
[45:55] Eric: in addition. Yeah. I mean, I don't remember all the different things because it was a while ago, but uh one of the one that's one of the ones that well sure I can give you a couple things, you know? And when you go to like a chinatown, they sell those balls that you can like uh circle around in your hand, like there will be a set of two of them in a box. Well, they're not
[46:03] Eric: they're not Ben wa balls are like sexual, right? These are just like relaxation balls that you like. There's a ball, it's a metal ball with another little ball inside of it. So when you,
[46:13] Eric: when you manipulate them in your hands, they like make kind of a ringing sound because you hear the ball inside. Okay, so I've stuck those uh and they were pretty large, like it wasn't,
[46:16] Eric: I probably have them around here actually, but it
[46:19] Keith: seems like the kind of thing that could get stuck you have around here
[46:23] Eric: actually. It was funny, so I put them both
[46:29] Eric: in and then I pulled one out and then she finished, we finished and then I was like,
[46:32] Eric: I had to be like,
[46:40] Eric: you know, so we're in the post sex phase and I had to be like, hey, I have to tell you, I need to retrieve the other one. She's like, really?
[46:41] Eric: So that happened.
[46:44] Keith: She didn't want to do it herself
[46:46] Keith: where you needed the right angle.
[46:46] Keith: I'm
[46:50] Eric: not sure. I think it might have been complicated because stand up.
[46:55] Eric: I know it was large enough that it would not have just fallen out. I mean it was
[46:58] Eric: like uh the diameter, it was probably
[47:02] Eric: don't get us wrong three inches, 2.5 inches.
[47:06] Eric: Who was a knockout? Like it would be like nine of earth.
[47:13] Eric: It was a little tricky. Yeah, it was a little tricky. It was very non sexual because it was after the activity, it sort of ended. So that's
[47:17] Keith: fun. Yeah. You have to you have to sort of shape your fingers like a claw
[47:19] Keith: and yet around it. Right. And then that's
[47:20] Eric: what that's what I did.
[47:22] Keith: Was it slippery?
[47:23] Eric: Yes.
[47:32] Eric: I mean you know it was exactly what you'd expect and it was and it was no longer the thing that made the thing that was difficult was the emotional content of it because she was sort of irritated at me for
[47:37] Keith: doing that. They're accidentally did she forget that? Yeah. I don't understand this
[47:46] Eric: actually. It was I mean to be honest with you like it was pretty compelling because during the act because what you could do is you could have it in there and you can I mean I remember it.
[47:49] Eric: I still remember this the exact details of it. Like you could
[47:55] Eric: cup your hand, you can kind of get your fingers behind it, right? Imagine it's toward her stomach.
[47:58] Eric: And you get your fingers behind it, and you can kind of roll it with your fingers
[48:09] Eric: right inside of her, right? And it's more solid than a finger would be. And so like and it's sort of smoother, right? And so so I I actually remember like, I think she liked it. It's just that I had to take it out
[48:19] Eric: when after sheep orgasm. She was one of these hyper rare women that has a orgasmic response that resembles that of a man. Which as we know,
[48:27] Eric: women's orgasms are totally different from those of men. Uh Anyway, so I did that definitely like a bottle. Like a
[48:30] Eric: Beer bottle was a different one.
[48:34] Eric: Uh And I can't remember. There's other things. I'm sure
[48:42] Eric: the narrow end. Good question though. Yeah. And then uh you know, like dildos, vibrators, fist.
[48:43] Eric: Mhm.
[48:45] Eric: I'm sure there are other things that I don't remember. But
[48:52] Keith: was the beer bottle uh expired? Had it been drink consumed? Yes, it
[48:56] Eric: had been drunk and it did not have the bottle cap on it. Okay.
[48:59] Keith: Alright. God.
[49:05] Eric: Yeah, that one wasn't a good one. That was not a good one, The balls was a good one. And uh
[49:08] Eric: you know, dildo type stuff is a good one, but it's not
[49:09] Eric: kind of.
[49:10] Eric: Yeah,
[49:13] Eric: I don't think I've ever used a fruit or vegetable,
[49:16] Eric: but I'm not positive, it's possible.
[49:24] Keith: Uh The second part of this thread was the aggressive aspect. I've dated one person who
[49:29] Keith: really, I mean, she could only come from me
[49:36] Keith: Aggressively jamming like two or 3 fingers in and out of her, like basically as fast as I could possibly do.
[49:44] Keith: Um Like the harder the better have either of you guys experienced something like that,
[49:46] Eric: I'm not sure I think. No.
[49:48] Eric: Yeah, some like it fairly vigorous.
[49:51] Eric: Um
[49:55] Eric: Yeah I feel like there's been moments where like I was worried that I was doing damage
[49:58] Eric: but they were they were into it.
[49:59] Keith: Yeah,
[50:01] Keith: I mean
[50:07] Keith: yeah, there was basically like no amount of force I could apply, that was enough, like it was
[50:09] Keith: mildly emasculating actually.
[50:12] Keith: Like I'm like I'm trying baby, like if
[50:16] Eric: you turn your fingers around and use your fingernails that would have been too much.
[50:24] Keith: Yeah, it wasn't the pain, it was like the velocity or something that she wanted. Right. Right.
[50:26] Keith: Yeah it was
[50:27] Keith: sort of
[50:27] Keith: yeah the
[50:29] Eric: velocity of in and out. You
[50:30] Keith: mean
[50:35] Keith: maybe it was because the higher the velocity the more
[50:40] Keith: impact there is when I get sort of fingers deep and get to the rest of my
[50:42] Keith: hand or something. I'm not
[50:46] Eric: sure. I mean, I think you're on some level you're just approaching a vibrator at that point, right? I mean,
[50:48] Keith: Yeah, I think
[50:50] Keith: All right. Yeah. She like hybrid.
[50:52] Keith: Yeah. Next. Uh Can you
[50:56] Eric: pick like a slightly more mild, mild one? This has been sort of like the hall of
[50:59] Keith: yours. Um,
[51:05] Keith: Maybe after this one, but this one already had pulled up. So All right. I apologize.
[51:09] Keith: uh, if I did 69 with my girlfriend, her being on top,
[51:13] Keith: Would my nose be in her asshole? I want to do 69 so bad
[51:17] Keith: with her, but not if my nose is going to be buried up in her crack.
[51:21] Keith: First comment is if you're if you're lucky
[51:24] Eric: question.
[51:30] Keith: Uh Well, I mean we talked about this before on the show. The asshole is
[51:35] Keith: fairly close to the bottom of the vagina.
[51:36] Keith: Uh
[51:44] Keith: but when doing oral you sort of want to be focusing your attention on the top of the vagina which is
[51:47] Keith: Sort of convenience in 69 you are upside down.
[51:56] Keith: So the situation is yeah like normally your nose would be going above the Vagina but in 69 it is it is not
[51:57] Keith: uh
[51:59] Keith: I haven't done
[52:08] Keith: I have not participated in a 69 for a very very long time. So I actually don't know.
[52:13] Keith: I can imagine the answer to this question is actually. Yes.
[52:21] Eric: Yes. Being what your nose is? Your nose will be in the forbidden zone. Yeah. I mean I think like if you think about like the length,
[52:24] Eric: the distance between your
[52:30] Eric: sort sort of tongue and your nose like it's perilously close like it's not. Yeah I mean that distance
[52:33] Eric: it is and so like that can be
[52:39] Eric: sort of problematic and I actually yeah it can be problematic. I don't know.
[52:48] Eric: It's not by the way Keith It's not just 69. I mean for example Emma told us on our show with her that you um
[52:50] Eric: had
[52:53] Eric: had her face sit you
[52:58] Eric: now. I'm thinking that's the reverse though. That was that's the
[53:00] Eric: the
[53:06] Eric: butthole is facing the other direction though she was, in other words her chest was towards the headboard of the bed
[53:14] Keith: or yeah. Most people, most people when they face to it in that direction. I mean is there such a thing
[53:17] Eric: as doing this is to take a shower?
[53:18] Eric: Maybe people
[53:19] Keith: face it like
[53:31] Eric: like first of all like okay I guess I have to I mean it's not the most small thing and you can also have like your nose getting it's buried in there to the point where it's beyond smell. it's like uh you're actually sort of like
[53:34] Eric: digging around. But the second thing is like
[53:49] Eric: I mean there's another thing that comes up here which is that like and this is something that keith had some experience with recently with the young lady, the if a woman is sitting on your face like depending on her orientation, this can be an issue as well right? I don't know if you've had that experience eric.
[53:54] Eric: Well yeah in 69 I mean sitting on your face backwards is 69.
[53:59] Eric: Well she might be sort of more upright and in fact the more upright she is, the more of an
[54:03] Keith: Issue. Yeah but the less of a six she is as well. I mean that's not really 60
[54:11] Eric: nine I'm talking and I'm not talking about 69, I'm talking about sitting astride. Exactly. Elling uh
[54:13] Keith: What what
[54:19] Keith: distance from a normal asshole having gone through like a normal day's activities
[54:24] Keith: do you think you need to be to pick up some scent particles?
[54:26] Eric: I think it varies by woman.
[54:28] Eric: Yeah, I agree.
[54:30] Keith: Well what's the red activities?
[54:36] Keith: What I had for dinner the night before? What our conversations always go this way?
[54:41] Eric: Look, I mean the ideal is definitely definitely showered and by the way, like
[54:46] Eric: in my experience and I don't know if you have the same experience and my experience,
[54:49] Eric: women prefer to be
[54:54] Eric: astride you the direction where they're facing not toward your feet. And I think this is why
[54:57] Eric: like they too are sensitive about this.
[54:59] Keith: You can get better pressure.
[55:01] Keith: Yeah. The other way
[55:02] Keith: cook.
[55:05] Eric: Is that even true? Eric. Yeah,
[55:06] Eric: but
[55:08] Eric: like if she's,
[55:11] Eric: I think it is. Well, I mean
[55:15] Eric: I think it just inverts it and actually like, I feel like,
[55:15] Keith: I don't know if
[55:16] Eric: you flip it around if
[55:20] Keith: you want your jaw to be beneath the clip
[55:24] Eric: shot to be beneath. Well aren't you saying you want to facing your feet then?
[55:26] Eric: No
[55:30] Keith: you need a trying here. So I figure out
[55:36] Keith: like in the standard position you're you're sorry jaw, I mean your lower jaw,
[55:36] Keith: yeah
[55:38] Keith: not upper jaw,
[55:42] Keith: upper jaws above the clip, lower jaws below it.
[55:46] Eric: Why and why? Okay, so that's not gonna apply pressure for me to think about.
[55:47] Keith: Yeah, I think you
[55:49] Eric: know that was what I wanted to ask.
[55:58] Eric: So you think if you are let's let's flip it around and put the woman on her back just to make it simpler. You think that you are more effective if you
[56:00] Eric: are facing
[56:10] Eric: toward her as opposed to if you flipped around and we're sort of on top of her with your head pointing toward her legs. You think you'd be more effective there? And why is that?
[56:11] Keith: Yeah.
[56:15] Keith: My thought is I have more dexterity with my lower jaw than my upper jaw.
[56:17] Eric: Yeah, but her.
[56:23] Eric: Okay, okay, so we're going to get unfortunate little orientation a list here. Your lower jaw is going to be oriented
[56:31] Eric: more with the upper part of her vagina when you're in the reverse position than in the straight ahead position, right? Like
[56:35] Eric: it seems to me you're contradicting yourself.
[56:37] Eric: Um This is too complicated. This
[56:38] Keith: is too complicated.
[56:43] Eric: Let's just say that I think that the natural motion of looking works better for the woman if she is
[56:45] Eric: uh
[56:47] Eric: not facing your junk.
[56:57] Eric: Well it's true that it's true that when you lick in that position, you're looking sort of into her, looking up at supposed you're looking at that. We've had I think that's I think that's the key.
[57:01] Eric: But we've had I mean didn't ali say that she likes she doesn't like oral sex.
[57:07] Eric: No no no I know that but she likes, wow that's good memory there. But she likes some
[57:14] Eric: I just think that like it's sort of stroking along it which seems like it might be more pot like it's just like you can stroke along it from the other direction. Whereas when you're
[57:16] Eric: going up into it
[57:19] Eric: in the sort of more traditional orientation you're kind of like
[57:36] Eric: I don't know feeling it back as it were. I'll take a survey of my next several dates and see what they say. My view on this is just that like it's more comfortable and there's some sensitivity around the nose being oriented into the butthole. And generally the guy would rather keep his chin towards the butthole which
[57:37] Eric: like sort of
[57:39] Eric: fair enough. Yeah.
[57:43] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I think both the woman and man would prefer to avoid
[57:47] Keith: but whole contact except for those who don't.
[58:06] Keith: Yeah. Yeah. This is not compelled. This boring. All right. So all right. We have time for one more topic. This uh, this is a 27 year old female. She says, I still think about sex every couple of minutes, like a horny teenager, a picture everyone naked and having sex whenever I'm talking to people, basically. The only thing I think about during the day to sex, am I a pervert
[58:16] Keith: and she goes on, I'm socially awkward and cannot have a conversation with people without thinking about sex. I also cannot have true intimacy with men that goes beyond sex, like a meaningful relationship. I'm not a sex addict.
[58:22] Keith: I go out for sex like once or twice every month, on average. What's wrong with me? Okay, that go out for sex.
[58:35] Keith: Yeah, that second part sounds like man, check your privilege lady. Something something wrong with her. But okay, how often do you guys think about sex?
[58:37] Keith: It's sort of hard to quantify things like
[58:42] Eric: that's that's bs but you know,
[58:45] Eric: I don't know a couple of times a day, a few times a day.
[58:47] Keith: No, it's more than more than a couple
[58:53] Eric: I would say. Okay, well that's true. I feel like I beat off once or twice a day, so at least minimum that
[59:00] Keith: Yeah, but like just imagine like you're walking down a street or you're in a subway car or whatever,
[59:06] Keith: right? Like it might not be for long, but like you're evaluating everyone for sexual candidacy. Sure. Is that the same thing?
[59:09] Eric: I don't know, can I ask you a question? Eric just Yeah,
[59:22] Eric: eric give me another one because because keith and I talked about this the last last week I think, and uh how since you began your sexual journey as a teenager,
[59:25] Eric: what is the longest you've gone without masturbating
[59:28] Eric: without masturbating?
[59:30] Eric: Oh yeah,
[59:33] Eric: and let me be a little more precise here, like,
[59:37] Eric: okay, I wanna be a little more precise, that's probably not gonna change the answer.
[59:48] Eric: Let's assume that you count having an orgasm. So basically what is the longest really? This boils down to is what is the longest that you've gone without orgasm? Is that also a week?
[59:50] Eric: So it's not
[59:52] Keith: so it doesn't count sexual encounter, I don't
[59:57] Eric: think sex having sex, having a sex partner really changes my masturbatory schedule
[60:00] Keith: maybe, and maybe in the ultra short term, but in the long term
[60:06] Eric: now, so we haven't released somewhere between like a day in like five days probably.
[60:09] Eric: So for keith I think the answer was more like
[60:11] Eric: it was shorter than a week.
[60:17] Keith: I know that there had been a couple of times that have been around a week because that was in situations where
[60:21] Eric: all right, you were in your tent city or no, your tree houses and
[60:23] Eric: Thailand or something, right?
[60:24] Keith: Uh wow. But yeah,
[60:31] Eric: wow. Laos, Yeah, okay, so the reason why that's relevant is it's like uh
[60:33] Eric: why is that relevant?
[60:35] Eric: You brought up this thing about
[60:39] Eric: about masturbating, about sex? Yeah. How often you think about sex
[60:41] Eric: and so
[60:49] Eric: yeah, I mean like okay, so you actually, the thing you said that really triggered me was you said you beat off once or twice a day and I was thinking, wow, that's
[60:51] Eric: it's interesting
[60:52] Eric: uh
[60:58] Eric: twice a day, I don't know twice as a lot of keith gets up to four and so it seems like a lot to me,
[61:01] Eric: but shaving and stuff,
[61:02] Eric: it's not the
[61:03] Keith: four is rare,
[61:11] Keith: okay, it's every two months or so. I did. Yeah, but that was that was like a adventure sport.
[61:17] Eric: Well it's not twice every day. I mean I am getting older, it's you know, my rhythm is decreasing a little bit,
[61:20] Eric: but yeah, I'm still generally good for one a day. That's pretty regular.
[61:22] Keith: It's really fun.
[61:24] Keith: Yes, relaxing.
[61:28] Eric: It's a nice, it's nice, it's a nice sort of before sleep kind of thing to do.
[61:32] Eric: Guess what I'm doing right now, guys,
[61:37] Keith: I've never given how much I masturbate, like I've never had
[61:44] Keith: like someone walked in on me or like a mistake or some sort of like embarrassing reveal, I said you're not retarded. I don't
[61:45] Eric: think it's
[61:48] Eric: hard to like constructed
[61:54] Eric: scenario where you're safe. You have to be sort of a weird risk taker or kind of stupid to get caught.
[61:57] Eric: So you've never been caught either
[62:00] Eric: and I have never, never either watch the door or something.
[62:06] Eric: Okay, so this girl who's asking the question who claims. So we I think the real answer about
[62:12] Eric: how often you think about sex is something like once or twice an hour or something when you're awake maybe maybe more.
[62:16] Eric: But this girl, like my initial take on her, my immediate take was
[62:17] Eric: like that
[62:18] Eric: she's
[62:19] Eric: not
[62:30] Eric: somebody that men pursue that often, so she's not sort of a hot commodity. And the fact that she goes out for sex every so often sort of reinforced my view there that maybe she's unattractive or something
[62:36] Keith: else. You generally think that the only women who enjoy sex are unattractive ones joys
[62:39] Eric: like have a drive for in the way that a guy does.
[62:47] Eric: I think that yeah, I think that when it as it as an as a good economist, I think that as something becomes more and more available, the value of it goes down.
[62:49] Eric: And so
[62:56] Eric: yeah, very attractive. People value sex less and very attractive women value at almost zero because it's just
[63:08] Eric: they're just deluged by it all the time. And so I think like when I hear a story like this, I think oh this is a woman, so she's thinking about sex all the time. She sees a guy, she's thinking about sex. It's because she can't have sex with him very similarly when I see women
[63:11] Eric: because I can't have sex with every woman I interact with.
[63:12] Eric: Only some
[63:14] Eric: I uh
[63:18] Eric: I think about sex a lot, but I think if it was always available, I think I wouldn't
[63:18] Eric: think about it very
[63:22] Keith: much. I don't know. Okay, maybe. Okay. I think there's like uh
[63:25] Keith: there's like some hardware
[63:31] Keith: background processing that's going on that's like effectively thinking about sex almost all of the time for men.
[63:33] Keith: Like
[63:38] Keith: Yeah, I think much of the male experiences optimizing
[63:49] Keith: sex having and vetting people for candidacy and you don't it does, maybe it doesn't even enter the consciousness, but like I've made this analogy before, but
[63:52] Keith: if, you know, I get on a train car
[63:57] Keith: And you asked me 30 seconds after I get on the train car where the attractive women on that train are,
[64:00] Keith: I'll be able to say,
[64:08] Keith: yeah, I'll say like, oh, I think there's one like, you know, three seats behind me and then there's one like over there and if you asked a woman that they'd be like, I have one of getting laid.
[64:15] Keith: No, I think most people do this sort of subconsciously and I think women don't. I think if you asked a woman should be like, what do you mean? Like, I don't
[64:18] Keith: I've been I haven't been paying attention
[64:22] Keith: and I think that's like a fairly key difference in experience.
[64:32] Eric: I'll go ahead and give the love line answer, which is that that post just says sexual abuse to me
[64:35] Eric: that she's kind of you can argue that
[64:39] Eric: I think that a woman could be unattractive enough to, like it
[64:51] Eric: amounts to the same thing that like her her sexual experiment. I what you mean when you say abuse eric as you mean like some sort of childhood experience, right? Yeah, just yeah, flipped a bit in her brain and now she's hyper sexual
[64:55] Eric: eric. While you mentioned the love line thing, uh
[64:57] Eric: you
[65:05] Eric: have some belief I think derived from, from listening to love line about the female orgasm that I think you wanted to share with me.
[65:09] Eric: Uh something about it being just fundamentally different from men's
[65:13] Eric: not fundamentally different, but there are some physiological differences
[65:18] Eric: and arouse. Well, I don't know if it's the orgasm specifically, but arousal in general,
[65:27] Eric: with women I think is fundamentally different than men and that it is more relational and involves, like higher cognitive function in a way that it doesn't with men.
[65:29] Eric: And I think there's like FmRI evidence
[65:34] Eric: uh to support that claim that I can't cite anything at the top of my head.
[65:42] Eric: Well, so I mean, but what is your impression of what that even means? It's more relational. What does that mean? It means that it's not physical attractiveness. Is that what you mean by that?
[65:50] Eric: Uh it's not transactional in the way that it is with men, like, sex is purely transactional with men like most of the time,
[65:51] Eric: and
[65:53] Eric: most women I think do not have that approach
[65:54] Keith: to sex. It's
[65:55] Eric: fundamentally relational.
[65:56] Keith: So that, like, the
[66:02] Eric: quality of a woman's orgasm, I think depends greatly to a much greater degree on the quality of the relationship
[66:04] Eric: than it does with a man with a man.
[66:09] Eric: The quality of the orgasm is like how attractive as a woman and like what are you physically doing?
[66:15] Eric: Whereas with a woman, you know, if she got in a fight with her boyfriend about, you know,
[66:16] Eric: him being a
[66:24] Eric: jerk or whatever about housework or who knows, like the day before, that's going to be in her head and she's not gonna be able to climax because of it. Or, you know, potentially
[66:30] Eric: with a guy who is never going to happen, you can, you know, you can, you can show me a picture of you cutting off my mom's head
[66:36] Eric: and you know, in the middle of sex and I'll be OK after I orgasm, we're going to talk about that,
[66:42] Eric: uh which is a direct quote from Lewis Okay, but you know, illustrates the point.
[66:43] Eric: Sure.
[66:45] Eric: But the uh
[66:58] Eric: after sex, we'll talk about it, it's funny, but the okay. Um but what you're giving as examples of things that would make it more challenging for a woman, I guess, I guess the the flip side of that is
[67:07] Eric: if you're in a good relationship place, there's some, like height of experience that's available that's not available at all to men. Is that the
[67:09] Eric: the right other side to that? No, not really.
[67:16] Eric: I mean, we're sort of arguing about two different things. Um
[67:21] Eric: well, you were taking issue with my skepticism about some of the reported female experiences
[67:26] Eric: and saying, like, well, you know, there's just there's just fundamental differences here and
[67:32] Eric: for the audience that may not know. I mean, like I have significant skepticism about some of the
[67:36] Eric: reports of repeated repeated orgasms,
[67:37] Eric: um
[67:46] Eric: the notion that there's multiple different kinds of orgasms depending on where you're stimulated, so on and so forth that women give, whereas as we all know, for men, it's
[68:00] Eric: much more likely to be sort of one consistent story that happens with arousal and orgasm. Yes, I guess I sort of take issue that you're like monotonic skepticism of all of this all just say that there are aspects of female sexual experience which are
[68:02] Eric: clearly
[68:03] Eric: different than men's
[68:05] Eric: um
[68:10] Eric: whether that extends to the base physiology, I'm not sure, I think it's reasonable to suspect it might,
[68:13] Eric: but I'm it could
[68:21] Keith: be that women have something that's more of a direct analog to the experience that men have. And then they also have something that is
[68:24] Keith: doesn't really have an analogy in men.
[68:29] Keith: And some women may call them what they want you to think organisms, Right?
[68:33] Keith: I mean, the anatomy is different. They don't have. A big woman wants you to think
[68:35] Keith: wants us to think.
[68:44] Eric: I don't know. ErIC that's what uh speak for yourself. Like women that squirt. There are women out there that think they're squirting out of some kind of female prostate. They're just mistaken.
[68:46] Eric: All right, Well, at least you're willing to
[68:52] Eric: compromise on that topic. You know, I'm I'm with you on that.
[68:54] Eric: Alright, alright. We've established a female prostate.
[69:07] Keith: We've been we've been recording for well over an hour here. Do you guys have any final thoughts, crickets? Okay. All right. Thanks for joining us. We appreciate it.
[69:17] Keith: So, that's a wrap on episode 36 of your mileage may vary rate and review us on your podcasting app and or send us some feedback at y MMV pod at gmail dot com.