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Episode 4: Taints, efficacy of females sexting, sex on the first date, concern over number of sex partners, how many strokes.

Team YMMV | 5-9-2018 | 1:05:22

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The YMMV fellas talk about when a woman should sext, sexual competency, whether the number of sexual partners matters, what's the minimum number of strokes it takes, some anecdotes from Keith's dating past, and more.

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  • [0:05] Keith: I mean, there's lots. And then there's, like, lots with a bunch of underlines under it, right?
  • [0:09] Mike: That doesn't matter. Like if someone's been married, for example, they've had sex, Probably more than anyone.
  • [0:14] Keith: No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. I meant number of partners. Sorry. Why does that matter?
  • [0:20] Keith: I don't know. Don't you think it does?
  • [0:29] Mike: Here.
  • [0:39] Mike: Hello, And welcome to your mileage may vary. Your mileage may vary is a show that takes an overly candid and hopefully entertaining look at topics related to sex.
  • [0:47] Mike: As you probably noticed, we now have music, uh, an exciting new chapter in this podcast storied history.
  • [0:58] Mike: Our general format is to lift interesting topics from the sex subreddit and to discuss and analyze them here. Although our conversations often meander into unplanned territory.
  • [1:05] Mike: I am Keith. My co host is Mike. And naturally, the subject matter of the show tends to offend. So I'd
  • [1:21] Mike: say we'd like to pre apologize for any ignorance we express or hot water weight into during this episode. We try to take care to flag controversial stuff. In fact, we're trying to come up with the catch phrase that we can use when either of us detect hostile issues, but we're just two white men, and our care definitely isn't
  • [1:25] Mike: going to be enough to avoid controversy.
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  • [2:50] Mike: All right. That was some intro. Let's get rolling here. Mike. Did you remember what the hyper important female taint related point you forgot last episode?
  • [3:03] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I came up with a really quickly after the, uh, the broadcast, because I, uh, was able to listen back and some of them you listen back, you can follow your own train of thought, and I didn't remember it. Would you like to hear it?
  • [3:05] Keith: I suppose. All right.
  • [3:06] Keith: I learned
  • [3:09] Keith: this was a couple of years ago. I learned this, but I learned
  • [3:12] Keith: that in this will surprise are one female listener,
  • [3:14] Keith: but ah,
  • [3:20] Keith: women are able to when they're going number two on their pooping, their ableto watch the poop come out.
  • [3:27] Keith: No. Yeah, it's true. Has something to do with, like, the configuration of their bodies in the fact that there's nothing in the way. And
  • [3:29] Keith: ah,
  • [3:40] Keith: of course I have. Then been told subsequently when I've told people about this Well, can't you just move your junk out of the way? And I've tried. I mean, I haven't tried hard. It's not really a thing. I wanted to do too much, but it's really just doesn't work for a guy.
  • [3:47] Mike: I don't understand how it works for a girl. Like, I guess. All right, I'm thinking about the map down there.
  • [3:51] Mike: Believe the land is it. Is it? Would this
  • [4:04] Mike: so? Yeah. I mean, I guess, Yeah, I guess my Penis is what's blocking me from bearable to witness that I might. My thought my initial thought was that Yeah, the asshole is far enough back that like that, it's not getting blocked. It's just like the angle isn't right.
  • [4:13] Keith: Yeah, I think it's a combination of factors. I think that it's the fact that there's something in the way and I think that the the just sheer length of the taint
  • [4:19] Keith: ah makes it so that, like, things are just further back there. Like there's some sort of, like a
  • [4:21] Keith: anatomical difference there that I think makes
  • [4:27] Mike: I mean, here's the thing. Is the butthole further down for women than it is for men?
  • [4:34] Keith: See, it gets really complicated cause it's like, What do you mean by down? But I think you mean further away from, like, they're back other.
  • [4:41] Keith: They're, uh What is that, the tailbone? Yeah, Yeah, Exactly. It seems like maybe so. In some ways, it will be further forward.
  • [4:47] Mike: Sure. I guess that's what I should have said for further by down I met. Like, pointing down.
  • [4:55] Keith: Yeah. I mean, there's also something difference in, like, the way, like the angle of the hips and like spying curvature. I Look, the only thing I know for sure here And,
  • [5:05] Keith: you know, a woman could come on to corroborate this is that they are able to sort of sit there and watch that happen. Ah, thing that would would never even occur to a man. Um,
  • [5:11] Mike: yeah. I wouldn't think that would even be possible. Yeah, but I'm glad it's not for me, because yeah, I definitely don't wanna There was actually a reddit
  • [5:16] Keith: thread posted today about it was like, what? What things
  • [5:30] Keith: does the other gender, what things do? Does the other gender have to deal with it like you would never even think of or something like that? So basically, like highlighting gender differences. And one of the ones they mentioned was, um it was actually like something that came upon a
  • [5:42] Keith: Ted talk by a transgender. I guess Trans woman, in this case, a man and a woman was the notion that, like women have to deal with when they're using the bathroom, having pieces of clothing fall in the toilet
  • [5:42] Keith: and
  • [5:51] Mike: because they have, like, more flowing I like Well, like a dress, for example, like you could hike it up. But if you don't know if you're not diligent, you could imagine it
  • [5:54] Mike: falling down and back in
  • [6:21] Keith: which this this trans woman, she, uh she actually specifically called out. I think a scarf like things she called out. We're just sort of bizarre to me and and and in the audience, they pan to the audience right at that moment. And the women in the audience kind of had this laugh and this knowing like? Not And I was like, what you talk about, Like I was, like, still totally perplexed. So I mean, there are always these sort of gender things where you just like I have. No, I still have no idea what the piece of clothing that falls in the toilet for women is I love you. Find
  • [6:34] Mike: out men don't really have items that come past their waist like that. You know, they were a jacket, but that only comes a little bit past their waste it. I guess the thing here is women must have more often things that come past their ways.
  • [6:37] Keith: You mean clothing? Yeah.
  • [6:37] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I
  • [6:40] Mike: get a scar, for example, or a dress.
  • [6:43] Keith: Yeah. The only thing I could think of for a man would be like a tie.
  • [6:45] Keith: My eye, my eye. Wear a scarf
  • [6:48] Mike: or a habit. I was supposed to end above the belt, Mike.
  • [6:51] Keith: Yeah, it's also tied. So how would it fall in the toilet
  • [6:59] Keith: on if if you in your hat. Also, I'm thinking that I'm just I'm just trying to think of things that could fall in. I Look, I don't I don't really understand it. just happened.
  • [7:02] Mike: You should post about, um,
  • [7:05] Mike: being able to see herself poop and, you know,
  • [7:07] Mike: get some sweet karma that way.
  • [7:12] Keith: Keith, the my when I post things like this and this may
  • [7:23] Keith: also sort of drive away our listeners here. The amount of negative karma that I achieve on Reddit When I post things like that, it's so profound. Yeah, like today I posted
  • [7:36] Keith: somebody was somebody's asked, they said, And this is not one of our topics, but I can mention it. Somebody said, What does it feel like when a woman squirts on your Penis? Meaning they're having sex and she's quote unquote squirting.
  • [7:39] Keith: And so what? I post, Can you guess?
  • [7:43] Mike: Yeah, well, I am aware on your opinions about squirting
  • [8:03] Keith: Well, I posted that It feels like a golden shower, right? My view squirting is definitively urine. And there's like, No, there's no question there. And of course, I haven't double check, but I was already, you know, in the negative negative teens. Ah, your eyes checked. It was pretty brutal, pretty brutal out there. And, uh, well, you should
  • [8:09] Mike: show up with an electron microscope and do analysis of the fluid to see Yeah. Prove your point once and
  • [8:16] Keith: for all. Keep what's the opposite of a common whore. Like I don't receive karma. I lose it like I'm a karma donor. Something.
  • [8:23] Mike: Do you get there? Well, whatever. Did something bad happen? I think once you get below a certain amount of karma like, it's hard to post in certain subreddit stuff like that,
  • [8:27] Keith: what happens is like it. You don't let you post one comment every like, 10 minutes.
  • [8:28] Keith: Yeah, it's pretty
  • [8:29] Mike: rough.
  • [8:35] Mike: Okay. All right. Next. So, uh, have you told anyone you know about this show?
  • [8:37] Mike: I've told my wife.
  • [8:40] Mike: Okay. Uh, has she listened to it?
  • [8:42] Keith: I told her, too, but I don't think she did.
  • [8:43] Keith: Okay. I don't
  • [8:46] Mike: just totally not interested. Oh, no, she was sort
  • [8:55] Keith: of interested in, And she actually we specifically discussed the topic of when you're having doggy style sex and the guy's nuts
  • [8:58] Keith: making contact with the woman's clit.
  • [9:02] Keith: She confirmed that. She said yell. Yeah, that's true.
  • [9:08] Mike: Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, that's useful, but I'm surprised you shaking like Tito. Listen,
  • [9:16] Keith: um, I I don't know. I think that I'm not sure this is like a look. There's A. I'm not sure she's the right type of woman to listen to this. Put it that way.
  • [9:18] Mike: Okay. I see. Have you
  • [9:34] Mike: know I haven't told anyone because I don't like to fry. Okay. I've told like, two friends, and they've listened and given some, you know, somewhat positive feedback. But, you know, like I could post to Facebook or my public Twitter And like, you know, we would get a bunch of listens from that, but But then
  • [9:36] Mike: I would have to deal with the,
  • [9:38] Mike: um
  • [9:54] Mike: I don't know exactly what the word here is. Shame of the fallout of, you know, being the person that does this show. I'm not really quite sure how to deal with that yet. Like, for example, if I told my mom I was doing that, she would definitely listen. But I think she would
  • [9:55] Mike: be confused. She
  • [9:57] Keith: doesn't want to hear about nuts. And Clint's,
  • [10:01] Mike: She probably doesn't want to hear by opinions on this stuff.
  • [10:03] Mike: That's shame, you know.
  • [10:05] Mike: But anyway, you know,
  • [10:06] Mike: hopefully
  • [10:15] Mike: Ah, you know, once we once we pass stern in our listener ship, that will no longer be a problem. The results will justify the means
  • [10:17] Keith: Yeah. There you go.
  • [10:24] Mike: Um, Okay, well, let's get started on our first topic here is gonna gonna gonna pull this up.
  • [10:25] Mike: Um,
  • [10:46] Mike: this one's this is it. This is short, but I think it'll spur some conversation. It's from somebody named Month in Paris. Interestingly. Ah, guys, how would you feel about getting random videos throughout the day? On board. And I want to send this guy. I'm dating a video of me doing some things, but I'm not sure how he'll react. Would you guys be interested in something like that?
  • [10:54] Keith: So she's she's basically she has a boyfriend or ah, what they call that a friend with benefits. Potentially,
  • [11:00] Mike: it's unclear what her status is with this guy she's dating. But presumably, this is a fairly early days,
  • [11:07] Keith: right? And she's offering to send him throughout the day. Some, uh, x rated videos, some
  • [11:12] Mike: off, doing some things. But I believe that is a euphemism for
  • [11:14] Mike: something sexual.
  • [11:34] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I don't know where all of these women are that want to do that, right? Um, I have not ah been able to locate them, get them to start sending the stuff my way. I guess there are those sub red. It's like where we're women post stuff like this. I don't think that I mean, the only issue I would see a guy having what this is like.
  • [11:45] Keith: You know, he might be kind of busy doing other stuff. There's also that I will. There's a wrinkle here, which is maybe her real motive for doing this is basically to catch him cheating with another girl, right?
  • [11:50] Mike: Huh? Yeah. I mean, definitely. Um,
  • [11:52] Mike: if you are dating multiple people,
  • [12:00] Mike: it could be problematic to receive messages, period, let alone, you know, sexy messages, uh,
  • [12:06] Mike: on your phone, because sometimes your phone is on the table or, you know, beings or whatever.
  • [12:10] Mike: So the solar issues there. But I don't think her motivation here.
  • [12:16] Mike: It doesn't seem like her motivation here is to try to do that. Plus, she wouldn't really necessarily need to sex to do that.
  • [12:22] Keith: So there's an interesting side topic here, which is your Your position is generally that, like, cheating
  • [12:30] Keith: is kind of almost impossible at this point in history because of social media. Do you wanna like So I think you have, like, a really interesting take their do you wantto
  • [12:30] Keith: I'm
  • [12:32] Mike: sorry. What are you referring
  • [12:38] Keith: to? Your So so let's say, like, 30 years ago in the 19 eighties,
  • [12:58] Keith: you know, people would be dating. It would be like like you could imagine pretty easily a guy having multiple girlfriends or, ah, woman having most multiple boyfriends. And there were stories that you would hear about where a guy, for example, had, like, would get to the point where you actually have two separate lives in two separate families like, That's a thing that happened and you can find examples of that online.
  • [13:07] Keith: And that was a that was, like, a possible thing because there wasn't like this technology that made it so that basically people could track your every
  • [13:14] Keith: people could track your sort of social behaviors. Well, now, with Facebook and I mean Facebook primarily, But something like Instagram
  • [13:18] Keith: you know, all the other social media platforms.
  • [13:26] Keith: Partners know quickly that they could sort of, like suss out what's going on in your relationship status by basically just asking toe friend you on those things, right?
  • [13:34] Mike: Yeah. So the last time and there was this was like, six years ago that I was aggressively online dating
  • [13:58] Mike: Yeah, like if If a girl is asking to become your Facebook friend and you know, this wasn't a time with, like, you know, sort of Facebook was in. It's a packs. Like before. It sort of became a little bit uncool to use. This is when people were, like, constantly checking in places and posting pictures of themselves, you know, whatever they were doing every weekend. And Facebook was really humming at that point. Yeah. I mean, if a girl asked to become Facebook friends with you, she's basically sort of staking her claim there
  • [14:22] Mike: this time around. Uh, I found that nobody has attempted to add me on Facebook. Now, maybe I haven't met anyone that cares about me enough to know, like, what's going on in my life. But I think like the new paradigm is, people are like, way more sensitive to like you're becoming like social media friends is probably the same is like, you know, basically declaring that your exclusive with each other now
  • [14:22] Mike: well, that's
  • [14:26] Keith: interesting. So it's so it is so in your view,
  • [14:32] Keith: in the last like five years, it's become significantly easier to sort of sleep around.
  • [14:45] Mike: That has been my experience so far. Now I don't know if it's because I'm older or maybe people like you know, like you can imagine younger people like engaging on Snapchat or Instagram. And, uh,
  • [14:57] Mike: you may be like I've sort of aged out of some of the social media stuff, but I think it's more I don't think that's it. Like I think it's that people are more hesitant to get involved Social Media Lee
  • [15:02] Mike: because of the surveillance that provides, basically. But do you
  • [15:19] Keith: wait? Do you think that means? But But it's fine. Take something like Snapchat, which has, like, a featured, as their stories feature where you can, and Instagram is the same thing where you can post like the sort of feeds of stuff that people can subscribe to. Uh, I mean, don't you have the same issues? I mean on any of the I find it hard to believe that.
  • [15:25] Keith: Okay, I'll say what I really think here. I find it hard to believe that women would give up the ability of surveil men like that,
  • [15:43] Keith: right? It's It's such like because the just going with the stereotypes here, the stereotype is like the man wants to have, like many, many sexual partners at the same time, and social media of whatever form provides a woman with a really effective. It's like it's like a condom against the man sleeping around. She can wear the condom, which is to
  • [15:50] Keith: post instagram feed things. Watch his instagram to prevent him from doing that stuff or Snapchat or whatever.
  • [15:58] Mike: Yeah, I understand completely what you're saying. I just don't know if that's right. I think now there is a stigma against
  • [16:03] Mike: following someone on Instagram, like basically on
  • [16:15] Mike: on tinder, for example, and on Bumble and maybe unhinge like almost all the dating apps. You can actually share your INSTAGRAM account, and the ones that share it have a public INSTAGRAM account. And they're not.
  • [16:57] Mike: At least the ones I've seen are don't post pictures of them with men like they're careful there. Careful not to do that or they're not seeing other men, uh, like just people just smarter now, Mike, like it's not like it was sort of Pac 10. Where it was, it was easier to surveil. People are like, sort of aware that that's like a classic thing that people d'oh and they're much more sensitive stalking. Also, Yeah, I think people are using social media differently. Like like five years ago, like people checked in everywhere and like it was a much more like you could get like a story of someone's weekend just by being Facebook friends with them. And you can't do that anymore. Like people are more. I don't know if, like, they're embarrassed to do that or if they're doing that in other forums, but it's not. It's different now.
  • [16:58] Keith: All right,
  • [17:02] Keith: well, so that's That's a shame for the young ladies out there.
  • [17:24] Mike: Yeah, but okay. So why why would you Why would a girl want? Like, what is the benefit of sending nude pictures or videos or whatever to someone you're saying? Does it Do you feel like she's trying to stake her claim in some way? Like does she feel that, like by arousing him throughout the day that all
  • [17:28] Mike: ah, make him like her more? Ah,
  • [17:45] Keith: yeah, that's right. It's a commitment device. It's basically like I mean, there's like a bunch of different, like directions. It could go. I think one is it could just be like Like I said, it could be a trap to basically make it so the like. He's he's constantly receiving these messages that then if he's with another woman show like there's some odds that she'll see it
  • [17:52] Keith: another one could be that she's just trying to, like, stay omni present in his mind. So it's like kind of like a a
  • [17:56] Keith: very 21st century form of nesting. Yeah,
  • [18:00] Keith: um, and it could also be Ah,
  • [18:09] Keith: yeah, yeah, it could also be the like. She she's trying sort of raised her sort of value by being like, Look at what I'm willing to D'oh! You know?
  • [18:11] Mike: So on one hand, Exhibitionist,
  • [18:12] Keith: too, I suppose.
  • [18:25] Mike: Yeah, that that the teasing aspect could ramp up the intensity for one like they finally meet later in the evening. Um, like, I could I could I could see that I like, on the other hand,
  • [18:32] Mike: you're being too available could be unattractive. So it depends like where these guys are in their relationship. But ah
  • [18:41] Mike: yeah, like if she makes it abundantly clear that like she's thinking about him to the point that, like, you know, she's sending nude pictures that that could be unattractive to the guy. Yeah,
  • [19:04] Keith: let me I think I can, like, give you a good, uh, little quiz here that will that will, ah, elucidate this. Now let's say that you valued Let's say you valued at $100 the value of a one minute clip sent to you by an attractive 25 year old woman. Ah, that that you barely know or just just have gotten to know. Let's see you value that at $100.
  • [19:07] Mike: What do you mean, Am I seeing them or potentially saying them
  • [19:16] Keith: potentially? Say so. You have not had sex with him yet, and we're interested in them and they're like, Look, I will send you this, and you don't have to pay them. It's not like a prostitution thing. I'm just trying to establish, like,
  • [19:17] Keith: uneconomic value.
  • [19:24] Mike: This is a tricky hypothetical cause of a girl that I haven't had sex yet with sends me that video. I mean, it's obvious that sex is company. Sure,
  • [19:33] Keith: sir, but you But the point is that the video has, like, significant value. It's like it's it's pretty interesting. Yes, perhaps perhaps even a higher value would be a woman that you have no chance with,
  • [19:45] Keith: Uh, you like somehow manage to get your hands on what? Maybe it's someone you work with or something that you're interested in, but you're like, Yeah, I don't This can't work, But let's try to establish Is starting about. You know, if that's where the $100
  • [19:54] Keith: maybe What do you think? The video of a woman that you've been with for a month? It's worth or say say say like a a week. What's that worth?
  • [19:55] Mike: It's still pretty valuable. Really
  • [19:57] Keith: good. Maybe 50 bucks. Maybe
  • [20:04] Mike: it's still worth a lot. It's think it's more of a step. Function goes from, basically, has value to zero
  • [20:13] Mike: for You know, I got everybody like I look, maybe it's like linear, but like, you know, it's just it's just the
  • [20:17] Mike: The steepness of the curve is that there are actually over here. Is there
  • [20:21] Keith: a point when it would be worth negative? In other words, you would pay her to keep that shit in her pants
  • [20:28] Mike: like it would be a turnoff to see your girlfriend trying to turn you on.
  • [20:31] Keith: Yeah, Here's a call. Come on.
  • [20:33] Mike: Um,
  • [20:59] Mike: yeah. I mean part I could look attractions of funny thing. Like somebody not being available to you can be very attractive, Um, and often times in relationships. It's so obvious that that person is available to you. That a taste for me. I think that's a part of the reason why I, like long term partners, sometimes become less attractive to me. Uh, so, yeah, it's tricky.
  • [21:06] Mike: I'm not sure. And I think it would vary by by the person. Like if your if your wife sent you a video like
  • [21:11] Mike: Better hope she doesn't listen. But if your wife's into a video like that, like how? How would you
  • [21:14] Mike: set it aside, like how uncharacteristic that would be?
  • [21:20] Keith: I mean, it would be worth worth like, $1000 then, right? Because I have to say that,
  • [21:22] Mike: right? Right.
  • [21:28] Mike: Yeah, yeah. For the subscribers to our podcast, you could hear the actual answer
  • [21:30] Mike: on our secret.
  • [21:31] Mike: A
  • [21:32] Mike: secret
  • [21:49] Keith: ultra secret. I mean, I think No, I think like the general answer is it logically should tend toward zero, which is interesting, because I assume that the value of the opposite direction of a man video is zero, right? It's just always you're like the menu for not, you know,
  • [21:59] Mike: I think there are situations where it's not zero, for example, in a situation where the girl is confused about whether or not the guy likes her. Um,
  • [22:04] Mike: getting a dick pic could be sort of affirming. But the thing is,
  • [22:15] Mike: yet that situation is over here. But, like thing kind of guy that would send you a dick pic probably wouldn't you probably wouldn't be confused about whether or not he likes you.
  • [22:27] Keith: Yeah, I think I mean, but the value is like extreme, exceedingly low, and I think it's yet something like that. It's like the value of the two situations, like converges, right, The value. I mean, the point you're making is that like,
  • [22:39] Keith: uh, as time goes on in a relationship, the values gonna lower? You said after a month or a couple weeks, maybe it's still pretty high. But if I said after a year, you might e think you're going to say it's identically zero.
  • [22:47] Keith: The value of that video you're effectively, but maybe it's a little more than zero, and I think that's maybe around the same value of the guy's video back,
  • [22:59] Keith: Um, and so like one of the things I would say to this this Ah, girl or woman who is sending these videos to the guys like, you know, be careful of that like an And I wonder I actually wonder if
  • [23:11] Keith: if she could accelerate the process of the devaluation of those videos. I mean, it's just like an economic concept, right? I mean supply and demand if she sends him 1000 videos. Well, video number 999 is not very interesting unless she and
  • [23:24] Keith: it's hard for you to be that interesting. And I mean, if people want to see what I mean by this, I strongly suggest going on chatter, bait dot com and go to the women tab. Now I like to hang out in the transsexual chat tab and
  • [23:26] Keith: talk to transsexuals about why
  • [23:30] Mike: you got you subject yourself to a minute, but I don't consider
  • [23:42] Keith: it subjected. I think it's fantastic, and I like Thio. I like Thio banter with, um, about about why they're doing that and stuff. It's not just being transsexuals being on chatter bait as a transsexual, I think.
  • [23:45] Mike: Yeah, I think that takes a certain kind.
  • [23:55] Keith: It's an interesting it's an interesting lifestyle choice. But Thea well, I guess their choice to be a transsexual, maybe genetic or whatever. But the, you know might not be a lifestyle that the choice to be on chatter bait certainly has
  • [24:00] Mike: a transsexual exhibitionist is a small, then diagram of people in the world.
  • [24:12] Keith: That's right, but they're all Oh, thankfully, there's a site collects the mini league, whether the child that Mitch. But if you But what I want to say is, if you go to the women there, there's women men,
  • [24:20] Keith: which I assume is mostly for gay men. Tow watch. I always assume, ah, couples and then transsexual. Those are the four main tabs for those
  • [24:27] Keith: expert users out there and the women tab. You go in there and like the women, they kind of run out of stuff to do. They're just they're by themselves.
  • [24:38] Keith: They try to come up with clever stuff to you, but there's only so many things you can do on a video by yourself. I mean, even in a couple, there's only so many things, you know. But with a woman by herself, there's really a pretty severe limits.
  • [24:50] Keith: And so this is the point. Is this woman I'd say, like Look, you're only gonna be able to send a certain number of unique videos. Like, I guess she could be like, Hey, now I'm fingering myself on the Golden Gate Bridge. Now I'm fingering myself in Chinatown. Yeah,
  • [25:09] Mike: but she's not thinking long term here, Mike, like, this is early days of the relationship. She wants himto like her more. She's sort of flailing about trying to figure out ways to get him thinking about her and her thought is like, Oh, if I sent him a sexy video, will that will that be helpful? And the answer is basically, yeah. In the short term, it will be helpful, but yeah. I mean, the analogy here is like,
  • [25:11] Mike: you have sex on a first date with someone?
  • [25:20] Mike: Uh, yeah. I mean, it definitely increases your chances of, like hanging out with him longer. But you have the long run is worse. I'm not sure.
  • [25:24] Keith: I'm not sure it would help in the short or the long run, because I think that, like
  • [25:30] Keith: their first of all, you run the risk of being buck. It'd into a bucket that you don't want to be in, which is sort of like there's like this
  • [25:33] Keith: they call it the Madonna whore thing.
  • [25:51] Keith: Is that the right of knowledge for you? But, I mean, there's there's, like, this risk that, like, he's gonna start viewing. He was just kind of a slut. Yes, which I realize there's a lot of sheet around that word. The use of that word, a slut shaming and the like. But I mean, like, there's a risk if a guy use you in a certain way, that he won't view you as a viable partner
  • [25:54] Keith: s. So she's running that risk. Um,
  • [25:56] Keith: And also like
  • [26:08] Keith: there is, I believe that there is a certain, like supply and demand thing. And if she makes herself so available, like, as you said, that sort of itself kind of can be a little bit repulsive if somebody's too available
  • [26:15] Mike: right and sexting a guy is a signal of availability. Could snow mixing that up like it's
  • [26:39] Mike: Hey, it could feel it could feel actually kind of desperate, right? Right. I mean, look, there could be some value. I mean, it's not. It's not as bad as having sex on the first date like that, that is Ah, there are situations where that's fine, but most of them are not great. Sending somebody like a sexy video could be good, but you gotta be careful and yeah, that the long term efficacy of that strategy is is questionable.
  • [26:50] Keith: Hate me. I'm curious to dig into this a little bit. What is your Can you get? Add more color to the issue with the sex on The first date for effort for you is a man like, What are you thinking? When that happens,
  • [26:52] Mike: it really depends. It really depends. Like
  • [26:54] Keith: that is on how hot she is.
  • [27:01] Mike: No, we know it depends on Well, I mean, you obviously. I mean, look, men almost always wanna have sex on the first date
  • [27:05] Mike: period final. Okay, so then Ah,
  • [27:27] Mike: yeah, it's a question of how good was your, like, conversational or the patter you had before the sex. And if it was good, I'm not sure that having sex on the first date, like, really matters in your attraction for that person. Unless that sex is bad. And then, you know, maybe maybe that can hurt. But if the conversation is so so and somebody has sex with you on the first date,
  • [27:40] Mike: you're much less likely to reach out to to continue things because you've already had sex. And if you were not that into him in the first place, there's there's really nothing left to chase. So
  • [27:51] Mike: yeah. I mean, if you're if if, as a girl, your confidence that you've been pressed him, you know, beyond just the way you look, then yeah, then go ahead. Have fun. But if you're not, it's probably a better strategy to wait and
  • [27:53] Mike: you leave him wanting
  • [28:02] Keith: you. Okay? It's interesting to me that you're thinking it. You're thinking even from that perspective, I would have come at it from the perspective of especially with the Soso conversation
  • [28:06] Keith: of wondering like, Well, how many times has she done this
  • [28:07] Keith: means that play a role and I don't
  • [28:12] Mike: care. I mean, dude, I'm in my late thirties like everyone's had sex. Lots of times.
  • [28:17] Keith: I mean, there's lots. And then there's, like, lots with a bunch of underlines under it, right?
  • [28:21] Mike: That doesn't matter. Like if someone's been married, for example, they've had sex, probably more than anyone.
  • [28:27] Keith: No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. I meant number of partners. Sorry. Why does that matter?
  • [28:32] Keith: I don't know. Don't you think it does?
  • [28:32] Keith: Look,
  • [28:36] Mike: yes, it does, but I think it shouldn't.
  • [28:36] Mike: That's
  • [28:37] Keith: interesting.
  • [28:42] Keith: Um, okay. I could give you an example of why it might matter. It might matter, because a guy might think, Well,
  • [28:59] Keith: it might matter on the positive side, because the guy might be kind of a fete life kind of guy, and he might be thinking, This is fantastic. We're gonna be doing some AM FM, Cem mmf, maybe some triple M f Uh uh, get a lot of em's in the room. You know, uh, we might be going for that. You know the difference between M f m and M M f, right?
  • [29:04] Mike: No. Ah, yes. I think I'm just figuring it out on the fly here.
  • [29:10] Keith: Yeah, AM FM. If you say I am FM, the assumption is the two men are not touching, right? Mm f You could have
  • [29:12] Mike: separated by the f.
  • [29:24] Keith: Right. And then, if you could have, like, the there's there's some anal risk or a horrible risk for the man or or, as the case may be, it might be a reward. It's a question of your sexual orientation.
  • [29:28] Keith: Um mmm. F I mean, once you have three M's.
  • [29:29] Keith: No, I guess you could In principle
  • [29:34] Mike: as long. As long as you're the final M. And there's an F before you, you're okay.
  • [29:44] Keith: No, no, no. I was thinking that you could I mean, you couldn't. You have to arrange the m m m f. The word such a way that the EMS, it would take two lines of text
  • [29:48] Keith: to keep the ems from touching. But you could have one, man. You could do it.
  • [29:51] Keith: What they call that a double.
  • [29:53] Keith: What is that? Did you know
  • [30:01] Keith: double penetration and then aural at the same time. So triple penetration and the men wouldn't be playing together. So in principle, that could happen.
  • [30:06] Mike: Yes, but if you are a straight man, you don't want to have an M next to your m.
  • [30:11] Keith: You're saying if you're straight, you don't want to do double penetration.
  • [30:12] Keith: Meaning you would
  • [30:13] Mike: be alienating.
  • [30:17] Mike: The AM FM could be double penetration. I don't but like,
  • [30:21] Mike: just stupid.
  • [30:25] Mike: Listen, then the ems, the consecutive EMS imply something gay.
  • [30:27] Keith: Okay, What I've read, I have no
  • [30:31] Mike: don't imply they mean something gay like that's That's what that means.
  • [30:38] Keith: I think you're right. But I just want to say that if you do double penetration, what I've read is that there's a lot of Penis Penis contact
  • [30:44] Keith: involved in the sense that you're feeling in a very intimate way. The other man thrusting.
  • [30:48] Mike: Yeah. Yeah, that's so not I'm not interested.
  • [30:49] Keith: Really. That would gross you out.
  • [30:50] Mike: I think so. I don't think
  • [30:58] Keith: it would. Because Because you've told me, for instance, that that you really prefer porn that has a Penis in it.
  • [30:59] Keith: Mmm.
  • [31:08] Keith: That's cause you imagine is your Penis, right? Yeah. There's always an escape hatch. All right, I got it. I got it. Really is like, a very complicated chess game.
  • [31:12] Keith: You'll find all the tactics in there.
  • [31:16] Keith: Yeah. OK, so so but okay. I think there's a natural
  • [31:23] Keith: male aversion to a woman who's had sex with more than a certain number of different male partners. I misspoke before
  • [31:25] Mike: you know what's going on there?
  • [31:36] Keith: Okay, go for it. I I just assumed that it's your ultimately it's it's It's just a biological thing where you're it's a genetic thing where you're afraid deep down that she's gonna get impregnated by someone else. But go ahead. What do you
  • [31:46] Mike: think now I think what's going on is the more partners they've had, the more likely it is that her best partner will be better than you.
  • [31:49] Keith: That has never occurred to me once. S o okay.
  • [31:52] Mike: That's because you've got, like, four partners ever. Whatever it is, that's not
  • [31:53] Keith: true.
  • [31:55] Keith: It's like 4.5.
  • [32:00] Keith: But but Thea but the
  • [32:07] Keith: the best partner would be better. I know. I think that I think this this relates to, uh, different peoples insecurities. You've revealed something about yourself.
  • [32:21] Mike: I mean, what I like crazy revealed they have, like, this is something that I think most people worry about, like they don't want to be like, you know, the fourth best partner that the girls had and the more partner she's had, like, Yeah, definitely, the more likely it is that she's had someone that, like she just won't ever be able to get out of her mind.
  • [32:31] Keith: Now see, I don't worry about this at all. I wouldn't And don't worry about this at all. And the reason why is because I expressed his opinion before. I think that men
  • [32:33] Keith: the
  • [32:41] Keith: the competency of a man, a man in sex is has a very tight ceiling on it, like you could be bad. You could definitely be bad.
  • [32:44] Keith: But being good
  • [33:20] Keith: is like it isn't that hard and there's really nothing you can do beyond, like, you know, you're pretty good at it. And then that's it. There's no guy that's just, like, amazingly good at it when a woman says that about a man. In my view, what that means is she's just, like, really attracted to his personality and stuff, and she's decided he's super awesome. So when you say so, in my view, like let's say you were having sex with a woman who had 50 different partners in her life Oh, certainly, there's almost certainly gonna be some really bad partners in there. But probably assuming you're like reasonably good at it, you will be in this huge tie for first place with, like, 30 other guys. That's how I view it. So I don't think that your fear is justified.
  • [33:24] Mike: Yeah, again. Well, okay. Two things here. One.
  • [33:37] Mike: We have not yet done this on this show, but yeah, we're gonna have to eventually wrestle to the Met. The difference in male sexual competence on baby. Maybe today's they we do that. But before we get into that, ah,
  • [33:43] Mike: whether or not there is an actual difference, they're like, I think most men still worry about it
  • [33:48] Mike: or think about it at least like yeah, intellectually, you may be right that
  • [34:12] Mike: the effective difference in men's sexual ability is sort of limited, or at least for most women it is, Ah, but it doesn't matter if that's the case or not, because, uh, I think men think about it and worry about it regardless. So what? What kind of thing is your intellectual lives away? The concern that, uh, other men are better in bed?
  • [34:28] Keith: I can I I probably could, But what? I don't understand what when you imagine your head. So let's say you have this fear. You have a woman, she said. 50 partners in your number 51. And this is your fear. My fear would be. I think my feeling about it would just be like the
  • [34:30] Mike: year isn't the right word. It's a concern.
  • [34:38] Keith: So I want to be clear, like my feeling about it would just be This is kind of gross like this. Just a person who's like had a lot of fluid contact with other people and, like
  • [34:40] Mike: so, has anyone who's been married?
  • [34:43] Keith: No, no, because it's one person. Then it's one person.
  • [34:46] Mike: So what like, is there a difference between
  • [34:49] Mike: clean semen from 50 different people versus one?
  • [34:55] Keith: Yeah. Yeah, there's a big difference in my view. I mean, like, if you just think about it from the standpoint of like, disease, like if
  • [34:58] Mike: that's what I said clean, I wanted to tease that out of it
  • [35:00] Keith: won't
  • [35:06] Keith: I mean okay, this is where it's a little irrational. Like, I think that both of our perspectives on this air a little irrational. I just think that
  • [35:09] Keith: maybe mine comes more from like a
  • [35:15] Keith: more normal plates. I don't no way that's not fair. But, Thea,
  • [35:27] Keith: I think that, like young men are, it relates to the fact that men are repelled by other men, right? And so you're sort of like I don't want to have my boys up there where there have been a lot of other boys,
  • [35:28] Keith: right?
  • [35:30] Mike: But there's been No,
  • [35:35] Mike: you're not going to meet a girl unless she's 18 or whatever. Who hasn't had
  • [35:42] Mike: just, you know, like most most women because it's so available to them, have had as much sex as they want.
  • [35:46] Mike: And so I mean, you know, like as they age, that's just a linear increase in the amount of times I've had sex
  • [35:50] Keith: again. It's the number of partners, not the number of times that I'm
  • [35:51] Keith: focused in on here.
  • [35:53] Mike: Yeah, but
  • [35:58] Mike: the number of times she is really the only thing that actually matters is something everything's clean.
  • [36:02] Keith: Um, no, because the because
  • [36:04] Keith: each partner brings their own,
  • [36:10] Keith: uh, okay, The year I I hear what you're saying. You're making the argument that, like
  • [36:14] Keith: if a person has not had sex in, like, a week or two weeks, call it, call it two weeks, there's no
  • [36:17] Mike: trip cleaning oven. There's no it doesn't matter,
  • [36:18] Keith: Right? I hear that, but I just I
  • [36:26] Mike: mean, look, if they have syphilis or whatever, like, obviously, that's terrible, but yeah, I'm assuming that, you know, they've been tested and you're confident they're clean. Yeah,
  • [36:32] Keith: I think that. But I think I mean, look, there is, like, this slut shaming thing, and I don't think that slut shaming comes from
  • [36:44] Keith: the fear that a woman by being slut here by having sex with more men. And I say, slut here in the nicest possible way in the sense of being the opposite of slut shaming. I'm saying in a positive sense, there,
  • [36:55] Keith: but having say, having more partners, I don't think the fear comes from the notion that, well, she has, you know, 50 partners. One of them's gonna be better than me. I think it comes from the notion that there's something inherently gross about having
  • [37:06] Keith: tons and tons of different partners. Just like when somebody thinks of a prostitute or a porn star, they're usually sort of turned off by it in the thought in their head isn't like, Oh, those porn stars have such big cocks.
  • [37:11] Keith: Good. There Thought is, Well, that's kind of gross that she's had sex with. You know,
  • [37:16] Keith: Johnny, big cock, you know, whatever the You know that all the different, uh, corn Stars names.
  • [37:23] Mike: Yeah, well, I mean, Johnny, big cock is an unfortunate choice because the concern with Johnny Big Cock is that he has a big fucking cock. And,
  • [37:27] Mike: uh, yeah, but yeah. Wait, are you saying
  • [37:31] Keith: that if you went to have sex of the porn star female.
  • [37:33] Keith: Yeah, maybe you have. I'm assuming you haven't
  • [37:50] Keith: Not to my knowledge. Yeah, I assume it wouldn't be that hard to set up because I assume there is some crossover, some not 100% or even 10%. But there's some crossover between that and like, escorting, So you probably stepped it up. Um, but, uh,
  • [37:57] Keith: you're you're saying that like, the thing that might sort of weird you out about that situation is that she's had sex with some guy with a gigantic schlong.
  • [38:02] Keith: Not the notion that she's had sex with tons of different dudes on camera.
  • [38:15] Mike: I don't I think this is a Miss categorization. I don't care that she's had sex with a bunch of people because that is true of anyone I have sex with. Basically, unless they're 18
  • [38:34] Mike: like, for example, a woman. If I had to choose between dating the following two people Ah, 35 year old woman who had been married once, and a 35 year old woman who had been in and out of a series of really relationships over the last 20 years or whatever, I would view no difference in their sexual attractiveness everything else being equal.
  • [38:42] Keith: Yeah, I don't think I mean, I would love to hear what other people think about this one, because I think I think that I'm more in the the majority on this one. I think that your
  • [38:54] Mike: perspective on this is under arrest, You understand? So my my point is that, like that, everything being equal, like, uh, yeah, I guess I don't know. Like, maybe other people don't worry about, like,
  • [39:04] Mike: their partner's having had, like, some incredible sexual experience in their past that you know, you won't be able to match. Maybe that's like some weird and security of mine.
  • [39:14] Mike: That's why I won't I won't understand that what he's not, it's not a huge consideration is a mild consideration that you've been focusing on here like the main thing is like, I'm indifferent, like I don't care.
  • [39:29] Keith: Yeah, but I Okay, I know. I understand. You're you're you're downplaying it, saying it's mild now, but I want to understand what is the thing? What is the thing you think could have happened with a woman that would be so great that would like, make that experience like a 10 and having sex with you like a three or something.
  • [39:39] Mike: So this is why you know, I mentioned 10 minutes ago, like, I'm not sure whether we want to rustle this to the mat now. But like, I have been with women with whom I agree with your thesis, that
  • [40:14] Mike: Ah, there's some bar that the man has to chin And if he can chin it, they're ambivalent between sexual partners who can get above that bar. And it doesn't have to be that good, right? Like they need to, like, be attentive and be carrying on be like emotionally engaged with a woman. But as long as they're that and they're not, like, completely object, Lee terrible in bed like the woman is fine with it. I agree that there's a class of women like that. I have been with several women whom would report massive differences in the sexual competency of their partners. Now, maybe they're lying. Maybe they're not. But like that, I mean, I've met several women, but I feel that way.
  • [40:32] Keith: Well, I think that our listener or listeners would ah, like thio. At least get an example of what is what like, what's an example of a huge difference incompetency that one of these women reported like What? What did the Doo doo? What was his trek? Well, who
  • [40:37] Mike: knows? Oh, she doesn't matter. Like the specifics actually don't matter here. That the point.
  • [40:42] Mike: I know, but I don't know if I want to get into the specifics here like it's not a
  • [40:59] Keith: question of what you did badly. It's a question of what that other dude did did. Well, I'm assuming you're just normal. I'm assuming the things you did. Look, I know that you give Orel. You know that I know that you do like it's not like there's something you won't do. That guy should do. You do normal things. I assume you do a good job. You've had relationships,
  • [41:05] Keith: so that implies to me that there's some other dude out there doing some insane shit. The only thing I can think of is it's
  • [41:12] Mike: not insane. It's different. Women have different Proclivities like certain women want. Um,
  • [41:41] Mike: you know, like someone who's like, you know, incredibly aggressive. Some women want someone who's not aggressive at all. Some people want someone who's super dominant. Some people want someone who's super submissive and they're like huge differences in enjoyment based on, uh, what traits the man exhibits there. So, you know, if someone like if there's a woman who is like, super dominant and she's paired with a man who's super dominant, she might be like, sort of dissatisfied because, like, she's not ableto like, sort of tell him what to do
  • [41:47] Mike: or any any combination of, like X and why there were like that. You know, the people are on opposite sides of the of the desire access
  • [41:51] Mike: could cause could cause issues. And there's other things to write. But that's just an example.
  • [42:06] Keith: Well, that just sounds like a personal problem. It's just an emotional like that. It's like, That's more of like a relationship problem than, like I mean, yes, you're taking it out of which is reasonable. You're taking it out of the realm of sexual technique. Now, in just saying, like whether it's really compatibility
  • [42:10] Keith: Okay, sure, yeah, that I that I totally of course, like
  • [42:19] Keith: it could I mean, for example, to flip it around the other way. That would be like a man saying, like, Look, I can't enjoy sex unless the woman has at least
  • [42:21] Keith: double D cup breasts
  • [42:28] Keith: right? And it's like, Look, there's some women I just wouldn't be compatible with because I can't sort of smear my nut around.
  • [42:29] Keith: There's enough land
  • [42:32] Mike: territory, Sure,
  • [42:34] Mike: but
  • [42:38] Mike: ah, yeah, I guess
  • [42:41] Mike: you think it's different. Yeah, I think it's different
  • [42:45] Keith: because it's because it's a behavior in this case that put us to being a But
  • [42:49] Keith: yeah, there's a thing I would say there, which is that I think that
  • [42:50] Keith: typically,
  • [43:03] Keith: not always, but typically the things that men wanted a woman are not behaviors there, just like physical traits, at least what's attractive, right? Whereas the things women wanted men are more behaviors and less like how they look
  • [43:10] Mike: right. But if a woman wants a behavior from you that you don't naturally dio like, that could be a problem. Yeah,
  • [43:11] Keith: but that's like a relationship problem. And
  • [43:18] Mike: again and again, I think there are some women that, like basically don't care. But I think there's some women for whom it's really important. Well,
  • [43:23] Keith: no, I mean, but But I mean, you could take this to the extreme and say like, Look, if if there's a guy, let's say you're a guy
  • [43:32] Keith: that you just during sex. You have to like with whip your partner with a belt. It's just part of your routine. You like. Look,
  • [43:35] Keith: we're gonna sex now, honey, I'm gonna take my belt off,
  • [43:38] Keith: and she just knows that. Well, a woman who doesn't want to be beaten,
  • [43:47] Keith: you know, wouldn't wouldn't be a good match for you because you have a behavior. So, I mean, that's like an extreme example. But there you have, like, an example where most women would reject the guy because of that.
  • [43:57] Keith: And And I hear your point, I guess. I guess I'm viewing. That is, like, separate from the sort of baseline access of, like knowing how to work the parts,
  • [44:01] Keith: which is what I think of when I think of, like, competency at sex and moving over into
  • [44:13] Keith: Yeah, like who you are as a person. Like Oh, I want someone who beats people. Or I want somebody who, uh, likes to dress in lingerie. A man who likes to dress in lingerie or I like a man who likes to be pegged.
  • [44:14] Keith: Uh, whatever else.
  • [44:38] Mike: I'm somewhat surprised that I think we're coming to a resolution here, but yeah, I guess there's like, you're right. So most people are competent at sex and that, like, you know, they know where the clit is. They know that. You know, there's a few different things you can do. Um, t help the woman orgasm. They, you know, artists, such scumbags, selfish scumbags that, you know, they immediately get their own, and then they're done.
  • [44:42] Mike: But then there's another thing, which is,
  • [44:51] Mike: Yeah, the way that you incorporate those things into a routine can actually make it be really important. And you can have incompatibility there,
  • [45:13] Keith: right? I mean, the real source of this argument is a friend of ours who claimed to me at one point to be really good at the baseline features of sex, meaning This is a person who is pretty vanilla at least claims to be pretty vanilla, but then claimed that he was able to retain to retain girlfriends, retained partners because of just and and also it
  • [45:14] Keith: sort of
  • [45:29] Keith: take relationships to the next step because of just how great he was as he vanilla partner. And that was where I was like, This is just unacceptable. I can't. It's an intolerable arguments. Me, I was like, That's not theirs. Not at first. I was, like, incredulous. I was like, What is what are you doing? Like, What is the trick?
  • [45:30] Keith: Yeah, nothing
  • [45:37] Mike: before coming. Maybe now that we've had this conversation next time we talk to him and we really should get him on the show. But
  • [45:47] Mike: we could we could ask. Yeah, maybe it's not his, like baseline confidence. It's that he's able to simulate whatever. Ah,
  • [45:50] Mike: you know, playlist the girl wants.
  • [45:58] Keith: See, it's not fair, though, because he's gonna listen to this, and he's gonna be, like, pre prepared with arguments. It's gonna enrage me. Yeah, it's all right.
  • [46:02] Mike: Yeah. Well, you know, you have to use your best debate tactics, too, you know,
  • [46:04] Mike: Get him get a gimp end
  • [46:07] Keith: wrestling to the mat. Maybe I'll get it. I'll take my belt off. First
  • [46:15] Mike: way should do one more topic here. Think once. Let's hear the random videos.
  • [46:17] Mike: Uh,
  • [46:22] Keith: yeah, the net of that one is Don't send random videos to do. It's like you just just just do it in the bedroom. But go on. Let's you know.
  • [46:32] Mike: Yeah, I think yeah. The net of that for me is like, Yeah. I mean, look sending videos could have some sort of short term gain and minimal long term loss, but almost certainly not. So if you're on the edge, don't do it, Okay? And
  • [46:36] Keith: of course, if you forwards it to a friend like the jig is up, is this?
  • [46:39] Mike: I mean, there's just so much that could go wrong with that. Although I think
  • [46:41] Keith: that, like in 20 years like
  • [46:45] Keith: basically, everybody will have sex videos of everybody,
  • [46:48] Keith: it's just it's just the cameras everywhere. Eye on the sky
  • [46:54] Mike: with v r like it will matter. But okay, over point. All right. A guy male. 23
  • [47:01] Mike: I. So this is this is a 21 year old female talking about a 23 year old man choked up. So a guy I hooked up with last night did this.
  • [47:11] Mike: Uh, so this is her name is misty eyed girl. So last night, I hooked up with this guy I have been talking to for a month now. He was being super sweet and treating me better than any boyfriend has ever treated me.
  • [47:14] Mike: That's not always the best strategy, but
  • [47:14] Mike: also the
  • [47:18] Keith: fact that it sounds like making implies like she had been mistreated because
  • [47:28] Mike: I write. He introduced me to his friends and was super, super friendly and respectable. Still not necessarily the greatest. The greatest strategy. You gotta leave
  • [47:31] Keith: alone. And what do you want him to? Red pill more. That's what's going
  • [47:42] Mike: on here. All right. All right. Well, anyway. All right, Well, we had sex last night, and he literally stuck his dick inside of me. Good for him. Wouldn't let me grind on it or anything. And wasn't quote having sex with me.
  • [47:49] Mike: He literally just stuck it in there and left it in there for, like, three minutes. Then he all of a sudden took it out and came all over my stomach.
  • [48:02] Mike: What the fuck happened? Has he not had sex in a while? Or was this like, some taboo thing dudes like to dio? I don't know. Herbert Choice there. It doesn't make sense, but okay. Never experienced this, and it was a little traumatizing. Elwell, I'll be
  • [48:04] Keith: honest. My first reaction of this is that
  • [48:06] Keith: is to think, like
  • [48:18] Keith: to be impressed. Like I don't think I could I don't think any point in my life I could have done that sequence of actions as a man because you put it in and in my experience, when you first the first
  • [48:28] Keith: in my experience, when you put it in at the beginning of sex. In some ways, for me it feels better during that period time and and I actually think
  • [48:47] Keith: it has to do with the the somewhat lack of lubrication in the sense that, like it's a little bit more friction and then later on there's less a little bit and also like, there's the fact that, like it's, you know, at the beginning of the stimulation so forth. But but so there's a very typical thing, which is a guy sticks it in and the nuts
  • [48:48] Keith: inside.
  • [48:52] Mike: But if you could clear that initial hurdle of getting in there like, you should be good,
  • [49:00] Keith: right? So I'm thinking, I mean, my first pass thought is here. Okay, let me narrate. Let me narrate what I think happened. It was like All right, all right,
  • [49:04] Keith: I'm gonna have sex with her. She's really hot and I'm into this. He sticks it in
  • [49:14] Keith: and he's almost he's about to come. He's like, fucking about to come, and he's thinking in his head about baseball. He's like trying to remember, uh, how a triple play works.
  • [49:15] Mike: The Golden Girls, whatever.
  • [49:20] Keith: And there's there's that one playing baseball. It's even rarer than that escapes me right now.
  • [49:27] Keith: Another. There's the unassisted triple play. There's something else, but this is the point. He's thinking about the Golden Girls, although that's a little bit of a dated reference. Maybe,
  • [49:35] Keith: yeah, I don't know some cartoon that he watched as a kid. He's sitting still for like, three minutes, and then he's like, All right, I think I'm ready to thrust.
  • [49:39] Keith: He pulls back to thrust, and he's like, No, no, I'm gonna nut
  • [49:41] Keith: right? So
  • [49:41] Mike: I think this
  • [49:51] Keith: narrative works. And so he's pulling back because the pulling back could be nice, because the foreskin or whatever you've got left, depending on if you're cut or not kind of pulls rolls forward a bit,
  • [49:55] Keith: and then he's like, Fuck, I just gotta pull out a nut. And I think that's what happened. What? Yeah,
  • [50:06] Mike: so I mean, listen, this guy's 23 so that's not really a great age for ah, not prematurely ejaculating, but like, I mean, like, yeah, let's let's dig into this a little bit, do you think?
  • [50:20] Mike: Like I'm trying to imagine a situation whereby, you know, with, like, the most beautiful girl in the world and have penetrated her and, you know, I'm, like, hyper aroused. And then I get to take a three minute long break,
  • [50:25] Mike: and then one stroke is enough to set it off. I don't I
  • [50:27] Mike: Yeah, I don't think I think I think
  • [50:39] Keith: that in that age it's possible. I mean, I think that, like, I think that once you're a little more experienced, the more common case would be. If you sat there for three minutes like that, you would lose your erection.
  • [50:45] Keith: Yeah, it would get a lot weaker and so just be like, you see, you pull out, and then you'd have to, like, kind of work on it. To get it,
  • [50:54] Mike: you have to re stimulate. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm confused right now. I mean, look, you know, she's self reporting here. I'm sure she didn't have a timer.
  • [50:54] Mike: But,
  • [51:00] Keith: I mean, in your life, in your life, have you ever What is the minimum that
  • [51:02] Keith: No, no, I don't.
  • [51:03] Mike: I'm gonna say never
  • [51:06] Keith: know because Because I'm gonna ask a new miracle question?
  • [51:09] Keith: Never. Okay,
  • [51:19] Keith: what is? And you couldn't give a round numbers aid to the nearest 10. What is the minimum number of strokes? You think that you've given a girl before Nutting
  • [51:21] Keith: Those?
  • [51:26] Keith: Do you have any idea how many strokes are normally happen in a sexual encounter?
  • [51:30] Mike: I don't. Is there? Is that like, a well known number?
  • [51:43] Keith: I was sort of hoping. I mean, we've discussed your Fitbit before. Yeah, I've often thought to be great. If a fit that could tell you how many strokes you get in a beat off session. I assume for you, it would be ah lot.
  • [51:49] Keith: But your your sessions take a while and it's sort of complicated and filled the beads and the jewelry.
  • [51:55] Mike: Yeah, away. I've got to get their candles lit, right? You make sure the straight
  • [51:56] Mike: way
  • [51:59] Mike: Get the right music on Everybody's thinking.
  • [52:08] Keith: Everybody's thinking. When do these guys know? How did they even have jobs? And we'll get it later. We'll get to that later. We have jobs, but not not jobs like you. You folks.
  • [52:11] Mike: Yeah, it's hard to imagine her situation,
  • [52:21] Mike: but, uh, wait. Uh, if you know how many strokes okay. Do you mean sorry? Masturbating or in the arena? In? Ah, um, relationship with a girl
  • [52:23] Keith: in a vagina. And let's assume no condom
  • [52:28] Mike: is that if I have a couple anecdotes here that I think will be interesting,
  • [52:35] Mike: I Well, first off a CZ. You know, I have an ex who
  • [52:42] Mike: would orgasm like extremely quickly and then become disinterested in having sex after she had orgasms.
  • [53:02] Keith: This is a great story, by the way. I love this one. So he would he would he would start sex with her. And she, of course. My my thesis on this. I don't believe she was actually or God, I think there's something else going on here because I I would love to have her on the show and inquisitor about this because I think I don't think women can orgasm that quickly from just intercourse.
  • [53:08] Mike: I mean, you're not okay. Fine. Let's you're not You're not allowing the strength of my technique here, but this is back
  • [53:11] Keith: to that other topic. Unless you're, like, got your belt off beating.
  • [53:14] Mike: Listen, listen, listen. It was something hilarious.
  • [53:17] Keith: So she goes away in a race? Yeah,
  • [53:33] Mike: right. She would either listen Maybe she was faking it. I don't think she was. I felt contractions. Her face would be flushed. The sort of thing you feel the contractions with your cock. Come on. I mean, mine is pretty sensitive, man. No, you can. You can. You can, like, you know, see them in her body. In any case,
  • [53:36] Mike: just for the sake of argument,
  • [53:42] Mike: that's fine. And you're right. Okay. She would have an orgasm almost always within a minute of beginning sex.
  • [53:45] Keith: And then she wants another one afterwards. She wants to keep going, right?
  • [53:47] Mike: No, she's done.
  • [54:00] Mike: What is out now you might say, Well, she just didn't want to have sex with Keith, right? Like, you know, that's that's the obvious thing here. Well, we dated for a while, and they were like, you know, I would say she initiated more than I did. So
  • [54:05] Keith: isn't she still express interest now and then she does s okay, So she's definitely into you. There's no question.
  • [54:08] Mike: Right? So, yeah, you know,
  • [54:13] Mike: just intellectual stimulation provider and was interested. She said she wants you wants you.
  • [54:22] Mike: So, uh, yeah. So So, because of this feature of her, um,
  • [54:31] Mike: it's a race s o. You know, you get in there and it's like it's like, shit. Like, if I don't have an orgasm within, like, a minute or 90 seconds here, I'm not gonna get one.
  • [54:33] Mike: And so it was just what
  • [54:36] Keith: happens after 90 seconds? She have, like, a little bell. She rings.
  • [54:38] Mike: No, she has an orgasm.
  • [54:43] Keith: No, no, no, no. So you're saying you have to nut before she finishes, right?
  • [54:47] Keith: Why? What? Why can't Why can't you? Not after? That's one of the features of the female body.
  • [54:52] Mike: She just became sort of disinterested after it would. It would be less interesting for me.
  • [54:53] Mike: I don't think
  • [55:04] Keith: I remember this exact detail that so So does that mean that you're your goal in this relationship? Sexually was to actually prevent her from having an orgasm. Yes.
  • [55:07] Keith: So you would have to come within, say, 60 seconds
  • [55:10] Keith: s O. You did a lot of outer, Of course, before putting it on.
  • [55:13] Mike: Yeah, because you had to make sure that it was Freddie did
  • [55:18] Mike: make sure I was turned on. Yeah, I imagine this is what it's like for women.
  • [55:22] Keith: Uh, yeah. I mean, that's, uh Well,
  • [55:28] Mike: okay, so anyway, The reason why I brought this up is like I am probably more adept at getting there quickly
  • [55:33] Mike: than other people. But I would, Yeah, I mean, that's not my preferred mode,
  • [55:41] Keith: but what's your What's your, um what's your minimum number of strokes? I mean, you see, it's not one. It's you've never had a one stroke. Er,
  • [55:48] Mike: no, I have. Maybe when I was 18 or something, but I don't I don't remember. I also dated a girl, a different girl who,
  • [55:49] Mike: ah,
  • [55:53] Mike: occasionally would request that I
  • [56:02] Mike: be good at that sort of thing, that I'm thinking back about this like, yeah, this could be reflecting poorly on me. But she would request, like if we had had sex, like a couple times
  • [56:08] Mike: she would request, have sex again. But she would want me to nut as quickly as possible.
  • [56:18] Mike: Why not? Sure, she said that it was like a turn on to know that, like she could provide that satisfaction for me so easily.
  • [56:25] Keith: So this would be the second. Okay, so the first time it's normal, and it's sort of like it's like it's like playing Mario kart.
  • [56:36] Mike: Think this happened twice? We didn't. We didn't date a super long time, eh? So I think this happened twice and both times it was thethirties session. So really is it is it is
  • [56:42] Keith: Mario kart. It's like rubber banding, right? You know, when you're she she throws the blue turtle shell, You know? No way. Just
  • [56:45] Keith: she doesn't throw the blue note. You're in last place, you're slow
  • [56:51] Keith: 12th place in Mario Kart and the third lap comes and suddenly you're going really fast. It's like you get that little dog. You don't play Mario kart to you.
  • [56:54] Mike: Yeah, I gotta admit, I don't think this analogy
  • [56:57] Keith: On the third lap, you could get one of these little
  • [57:00] Keith: prizes and you turn into a bullet
  • [57:08] Keith: and you suddenly shoot really fast. And she's insisting that you be if she wants you. I can't understand. I can't intellectualize what she wants here. So
  • [57:15] Mike: here's what I think was going on. And this is this is painting me in the best possible light. Obviously, the bad light here is obvious.
  • [57:16] Mike: The best possible light is I was
  • [57:18] Keith: just in a bad light. What's the bad luck?
  • [57:20] Mike: That the better, huh?
  • [57:23] Mike: There isn't a bad light because that's not what was happening here. But
  • [57:25] Keith: I still like him. Think of is the chick. Yeah.
  • [57:39] Mike: A cynic might say that she was just She just wanted me to nut for and then move on for some reason. But then, yeah, I mean, it was like there was no obligation to do that. It was our third encounter so that there's no
  • [57:41] Mike: 30
  • [57:42] Mike: single encounter. I think
  • [57:57] Keith: that she just didn't want you to build a cheat on her. See, this is where my mind goes. And so she wanted exhaust me. You're trying to drain out all the nut A ll, the ox Ito center, whatever out of your body. But she's a little sore. This is just like all right, we got to get this knot out. We gotta get it fast.
  • [58:16] Mike: I think it was something like that. I mean, I think she enjoyed the feeling of giving me that satisfaction, and she wasn't really interested in a sexual encounter per se at that moment. But she still wanted to, like, get the feeling that she had satisfied me. And so this was her way of manifest met. Heard
  • [58:19] Keith: wasn't feel good. It's not satisfying. Sort of uncomfortable
  • [58:23] Mike: Yeah, with that protocol, though, where she's like,
  • [58:29] Mike: Yeah, I want you to do whatever you want as quickly as possible. Like that's that was kind of cool.
  • [58:33] Keith: No, it's not. Because the third time it takes a while. I mean, it's it's,
  • [58:36] Keith: you know, like, if there's some sort of exponential wth e
  • [58:43] Mike: asymmetry where I knew that, like, she was just willing to do whatever I wanted, just not right. Not right what they're like.
  • [58:45] Keith: So what did you What did you What did you
  • [58:55] Mike: ever you know, we're running out of time, Uh, our episode here, so right. But just just to tie a bow on all this, like,
  • [58:57] Mike: even in those two circumstances, like,
  • [59:09] Mike: you know, uh, one stroke is not enough. Um, but, you know, I've never been situations where it has probably been fewer than I would be proud of. I think that I think a number in mind here you've been You've been harping on this? No.
  • [59:17] Keith: No, but I think Well, okay. The guy asking the woman, asking the question. The guy was one stroke in the sense It's It's 2/2 strokes, right. Warning that surrounds
  • [59:18] Mike: one in one out
  • [59:24] Keith: and she doesn't make it clear whether then beat off on her summit. But I'm gonna assume because she didn't say anything that he just noted,
  • [59:29] Mike: right? So this'll all we know. He all of a sudden took it out and came all over my stomach.
  • [59:40] Keith: Right? So that's not It's all of a sudden. So that means he sees the one that's a one stroke. Er, I don't think you hear about you hear about that. You hear about guys just literally sticking it in. And nothing, that is, I think animals do that.
  • [59:43] Mike: Ah, half stroke would be the fewest possible strokes.
  • [59:48] Keith: That would just be sticking it in and nothing. Yeah, right. So this guy actually should be congratulated. Forget pulling it back out
  • [59:50] Mike: twice as much as the minimum possible.
  • [59:57] Keith: That's right. I don't think in my life that I've ever done anything close to that in terms of number of strokes. I feel like I've read before what, like
  • [60:04] Keith: is normal? It's got to be in the hundreds or the low thousands. I'm guessing hundreds is the normal number of strokes.
  • [60:11] Keith: Um, and I'm sure like I'm sure I've had a session where it was like 30 or something. Or 50. Like not one.
  • [60:16] Mike: You could figure this out. Like What is it? The average sexual encounter, like, six minutes or seven minutes? Something like that.
  • [60:27] Keith: This is useful. It's Let's go through this. Yes. Okay, let's assume 10 for just to make it round numbers. So, 10. And how many strokes? How many strokes per minute do you do If one of you, uh what? You know what? Position your
  • [60:33] Mike: hands, You know, part of Yeah. I mean, for starters, like, yeah, we excluding position changes. Um,
  • [60:38] Keith: hang on. I can sort of do it. Let's see. I think it's about two. A second,
  • [60:39] Keith: right
  • [60:42] Keith: to full strokes. A second,
  • [60:57] Keith: maybe 1.5. It's not won a 2nd 1 full stroke. Yo, it's not one full stroke a second. That's kind of slow. Yeah, maybe it is. Maybe it's between one and two. I think. Strokes a second. And so if it was 10 minutes, But you're not, you know, I mean, I don't have
  • [60:59] Mike: a few strokes,
  • [61:01] Keith: but you're not fucking You're not stroking the entire time, right?
  • [61:08] Mike: You just get order of magnitude here, Like I think I think I think hundreds. You know, occasionally brushing up on 1000 is probably about right.
  • [61:11] Keith: But I have a question for you. Any 10 minute session
  • [61:14] Keith: for you. What percentage of the time are you actually
  • [61:16] Keith: thrusting?
  • [61:17] Keith: I don't
  • [61:21] Mike: know. Probably not.
  • [61:23] Mike: This is This feels like a trap question.
  • [61:31] Keith: No, it's not. I've actually wondered this before because I wonder. Like I wonder. For instance, I've wondered this actually many times in my life because
  • [61:45] Keith: horn is totally fake. Even amateur porn. You don't know. Yeah, I know what I've heard. When I say stayed in Ah, on Airbnb era hotel. And I've heard, like I stayed in a place in Iceland and there was a guy, Probably some sort of like descendants of, ah,
  • [62:04] Keith: sort of Nordic God, Thor, just Yeah, he just, uh that guy there was a lot of pounding, and it was just it went on, and he was very forceful. Um, um, yeah, but but But for most part, you don't have much exposure to this, and so I don't know. I mean, women would know this, but I don't know what's normal in terms of the percent, So I think to myself, Well,
  • [62:09] Keith: you know, you don't you don't get tired like I exercise this stuff. I'm not obese or something. I'm not overweight.
  • [62:18] Keith: I eat well and exercise, but But there's some reasonable limit. Were like, you've been thrusting for a minute or something, and you kind of stop and you re position or something, right?
  • [62:19] Mike: Yeah, definitely. I think
  • [62:27] Keith: to myself. Well, maybe they're guys out there that actually thrust in exactly the same position for 10 minutes. And then I think maybe that's good. Maybe girls like that and then
  • [62:30] Mike: No, no, no,
  • [62:40] Mike: no. There are potentially some women that need, like, you know, constant identical stimulation for 10 minutes. But I think that would be the minority.
  • [62:42] Keith: So you think it's like 30 to 50% of the time. It's thrusting.
  • [62:48] Mike: It's something that, you know, it depends and that, you know, not every not every engagement is the same.
  • [62:54] Keith: Okay, so if it's 50% we have five minutes of continuous trusting in a 10 minute session, and we decided that it's something
  • [62:57] Mike: that 100 strokes a minute or whatever.
  • [63:04] Keith: All right, so we're at 500 strokes. Yes, that that comports and I feel like I've read that before something in those in that range.
  • [63:18] Keith: Okay, so this guy, he was at one stroke, so if he could sort of 500 X's game here, he'd be in a normal kind of a sex session. One strip. And I think that's what happened. I don't think it's anything weird. He doesn't want to talk about it because he premature ejaculated. That's why I think we got it.
  • [63:21] Mike: Typically not a boy's favorite topic,
  • [63:32] Keith: even though I never understand that. Because all you have to do is just just to let you know, just just fire off a bullet out of the chamber. Look, there's a point there back in there. If it's your 12th time that day, you're not gonna premature, Jack. But
  • [63:36] Mike: this is a 23 year old dude like he should be good to go again shortly.
  • [63:48] Keith: Okay, well, but you see, I'm saying I never understood the issue of premature ejaculation because it's like you can You can take as many bullets out of the chambers. You need Thio. You control the apparatus, right?
  • [63:55] Mike: Yeah, but if he's so shamed by the first you know, may may have troubles.
  • [63:56] Mike: I
  • [64:08] Keith: don't understand how you could just say like, Look, I just not quickly the first time, So let's just get that off like that. Won't that that girl you dated? Maybe that's why maybe you premature ejaculation. So she really focuses on that. Focused on that third time.
  • [64:11] Mike: True. Maybe she got traumatized in an early thing, and then
  • [64:14] Mike: yeah, yeah, that's him.
  • [64:16] Mike: For the record,
  • [64:24] Keith: I think we have to wrap up. It's been over an hour. I do want to tell you because I left a loose thread here and I want to say and I know you love sports.
  • [64:26] Keith: All
  • [64:28] Keith: what? I was mentioning looking.
  • [64:34] Keith: When I was mentioning thinking of baseball things, there was another thing moves equally rare or rarer. And I remembered what it is.
  • [64:35] Keith: And I wanted to say this
  • [64:38] Mike: is rare than an unassisted triple play. I think
  • [64:44] Keith: so, or it's on the order of his rare. It's what's called a perfect inning when the pitcher
  • [64:48] Mike: throws nine strikes. 93 strikeouts. Yeah, that Yeah, Yeah,
  • [64:50] Keith: I read about that recently.
  • [64:52] Mike: Yeah, they think there's been less than 20.
  • [64:57] Keith: There you go. So that was so That is a thing. And I was like, What is that thing, and that's a loose end. I wanted to tie up
  • [64:59] Mike: job, Mike.