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Episode 41: Breeding Material

Team YMMV | 10-29-2021 | 1:07:58

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I'm really, really, like extraordinarily interested in my own penis. I think this is likely normal, though I'm not sure.

I'm cautiously optimistic it will be rendered with the proper dimensions and emotion in Zuckerberg's Metaverse. The problem is that it would just get censored. If there's one thing I know about social media, it's that sex and genitals don't exist there. That's one way social media makes all our lives way, way better.

Anyway, another listener complained that we aren't something-or-other enough for her taste, blah, blah, blah. We discuss it a bit, but mostly she just needs to learn better argumentation tactics. People are too used to not having to defend their opinions these days.

Back to business: It's unclear whether the women on the breedingmaterial subreddit even could procreate without gaining some weight (see for yourself below). One questioner's cock is too hard. Another's is too soft. For reference, ladies, mine is "just right."

Here are some links relating to the subreddit we reviewed on this episode:

https://ymmv.me/41/breeding-material-sub

https://ymmv.me/41/breeding-material-collage

We get a lot of our questions from the Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/41/rigid-erections

https://ymmv.me/41/overreaction

https://ymmv.me/41/soft-going-down

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We are a podcast about sex and relationships I am keith my co-host is mike hi mike so I haven't done the usual intro stuff for a few episodes so bear with me for a second. We're always looking for feedback on the show in particular negative feedback.
  • [00:07] Mike: Hello everybody.
  • [00:19] Keith: So we can attempt to do something about it and so to that end we offer fifteen dollars for any feedback received at y m m v pod at gmail dot com it has to be coherent feedback. Obviously let us know how you'd like us to pay you in your email be it. Venbo cash app. Whatever so mike I received some. Pretty aggressive negative feedback from someone I went on a date with last week the gist of her complaint is that we don't know what we're talking about and I think our yeah, go ahead.
  • [00:48] Mike: I hang on. Oh you went on a date and you got feedback I wanted to point out by the way that we want negative feedback so we can do something about it and the thing we do about it is we make fun of you on the Podcast. So. Okay, so this is someone so you went on a date with somebody and she gave you feedback on the podcast. Not not because when you first said that I thought she gave you feedback on your demeanor on the date and I was like that's that's sort of weird. But no, it's on the Podcast. So so did you like send her the podcast before the date was she a fan of the podcast and that's she reached out to you to have a date How did that work.
  • [01:17] Keith: Right? right? No I met her on an app and I don't remember I think it was our yeah I think it was our second date so we went on a date and then I mentioned something about. Podcast or I have it in my profile. So after the first date she asked about it and then she listened to it and then she said a couple things about being taken aback or something and I ignored it or rolled my eyes. And then on the actual date. Ah yeah, she I think yeah I mean I think it's something about our demeanor and our in our discussions that puts her off. She said that the podcast is incongruous with her experiences with me in real life. She didn't use the word incongruous but that's. But she said in so many words like what defense do you offer to such an accusation.
  • [02:21] Mike: That has nothing to do with me so I don't so you're asking. Are you asking me to opine on whether it is in fact, congruous or incongruous with how you are say when you're not being recorded.
  • [02:35] Keith: Well maybe let me say 1 more thing first I think I think that for people of a certain age or information diet. It's really unusual for them to hear anything that is counter to the sort of far left point of view.
  • [02:39] Mike: Okay.
  • [02:54] Keith: And so listening to us can be pretty jarring. That's not to say we're not interested in liberal ideas. It's just that saying certain things. For example, what we think women's is motivations are can be alien for a certain folks set of folks. And while certainly some parts of our show may be a bit uninformed I think we're pretty good at contextualizing our comments as unexpected as they may be but I think the experience of hearing us might be pretty different from what some people's typical listening habits may be.
  • [03:26] Mike: Yeah I mean I have a problem with the statement that we're that some parts of the show are uninformed. Ah I think that I'm far better informed than anybody listening to this show. Um I'm confident of that. Ah, and um, yeah I mean I'd be willing to do some sort of weird face off with them if they want to do that. But I think we I think in ah in this person in particular being a person who's listened to the show I feel confident. It was a female right? It was a female. So ah, you know I feel I feel. Ah.
  • [03:51] Keith: Yes.
  • [03:57] Mike: Confident that I'm better informed than she is about whatever topic like literally I mean I Guess if she picked some really obscure topic that would be difficult but but but any sort of reasonable topic that normal people know about um but I think we have to get into the specifics of the feedback here I mean just saying it's incongruous is not going to get us. Get us far enough. So I mean is there is there more detail than that.
  • [04:17] Keith: No, but I can opine on what she thinks is incongruous.
  • [04:20] Mike: All right? So So you're saying she she you went on a date. She was visibly or perhaps perhaps not visibly agitated about what she'd heard and then when asked what was the problem. She just said well this just isn't this just isn't like you Keith. I Don't you know this is do the the you on the podcast you you you seem to be under some spell where you behave differently and that was literally the totality of the feedback is that right? I mean that's just okay, pretty content. Free.
  • [04:43] Keith: Something like that I think yeah I mean I think that ah the way that we frankly talk about how people often women. Feel about certain things and what their motivations are certain folks would find presumptuous and uninformed I agree with your take opinion that we actually are informed and maybe not maybe we. Speak more candidly and openly and honestly about things that people often accept some sort of party line that is actually incorrect about does this word salad make any sense.
  • [05:32] Mike: It does I mean the the problem see here's the deal is that this type of feedback I mean obviously it's it's to be rejected um that it goes without saying but ah, but there's but there's a specific I mean there's a feedback I can give to your lovely young lady feedback I can give her some feedback which is. Yeah, if you want to persuade someone of a viewpoint you need to like develop a coherent thesis and explain the thesis so you know, ah yeah, I'm open to the notion There's some specific thing that we've said or or do that is in incorrect and accurate or something like that. But but ah, you have to? yeah you have to develop a thesis. And here's here's the problem with this feedback is what it's actually doing is it's trying I guess this could be termed clever. Although I so suspect the cleverness is yours keith not this ladies. Um, it basically what's going on here is like well you know, ah asking us to identify the weaknesses in our own approach. And then defend ourselves against what we know to be potential weaknesses and like I just don't see any reason to do that like why you know oh it's incongruous oh you know it's like I don't like it I'm not sure why but I don't like it and then it's like oh so you want me to go into some self-reflection where I do some really complicated cognitive work that probably you're not capable of.
  • [06:33] Keith: I say.
  • [06:47] Mike: Ah, to to discern. Ah the the sort of very deep and complex asymmetries. Maybe in our thinking. Well I'm just not going to do that I think the other person it does behoove them to ah to come at us with with something more coherent in terms of like the specific criticism that ah. The the Keith that behaves differently in other Contexts. Um, yeah I mean everybody behaves differently in different Contexts. Um, yeah I mean it's not surprising that somebody would behave in a way on a date to kind of fit your puzzle piece better to their puzzle piece. Um, metaphorically and ultimately physically, that's not that surprising. Um, but you know I mean I don't I I seen a reason to assume that Keith is being dishonest in what he says on the podcast like it doesn't I mean that strikes me as wrong. But okay, what do you think you? okay I have I wasn't on the date with you. So I don't know.
  • [07:32] Keith: I don't think there's anything that incongruent about my behavior in either I think I mean I think here I might caveat things less just because it gets boring if before we say anything I have to explain for ten minutes that
  • [07:42] Mike: How that worked.
  • [07:52] Keith: I'm not a misogynist. Um, but.
  • [07:53] Mike: Yeah, but you see again, the issue becomes like if we go down that path. It's going to be like now you have to ideate about what things you might have said in the past that were misogynistic and so basically your iq is now being turned against you and that's just that's just absurd as lazy is what it is. It's it's lazy like somebody should.
  • [08:01] Keith: Right.
  • [08:09] Keith: Right.
  • [08:11] Mike: Go grab the transcripts and and and explain in detail. What what? what has happened and how and why? Um, and yeah and and and frankly like this is part of like the sort of the sort of woke censorship thing right? It's like it's like let's you know I'm not going to actually explain you know you just are supposed to know where these kind of weird social boundaries. They've constructed are and like honestly.
  • [08:16] Keith: Yeah, it would be nice if we'll go ahead.
  • [08:31] Mike: People can go fuck themselves like like yeah I mean I know actually don't have to do that because there's nothing you can do to me like I know if you're some celebrity. We're not at that level of fame and and even then I still wouldn't care I mean because who cares like there's nothing. There's nothing you can actually do to anyone.
  • [08:41] Keith: Well I think going even further like I think if anybody were to send us specific criticism Maybe about a point of view of ours that they disagree with we'd gladly talk about it on the show we would. If they didn't want to talk about it on the show. We'd respond privately and if somebody wanted to come on the show. We'd be happy to deb debate them here too. So We're not, We're not afraid to have conversations with folks who disagree with us and I'm not sure the opposite is true I think it's it may be easier to cast stones about. Generalities than it is to come on and specifically go twelve rounds on various topics.
  • [09:28] Mike: That's right I mean I've we've had people on with with somewhat different viewpoints of us and generally like we've actually there's been sort of a meeting of the minds I think there've been a couple arguments people have made that I that I thought were sort of interesting like 1 person came on who was arguing about like the the morals or the ethics of different types of porn. And whether you should pay for porn I mean there's like an argument there that I think is willing. You know is be willing to discuss. It's sort of interesting like there's things like that where you can maybe change a viewpoint. But yeah, this just this is just lazy kind of garbage from this person. It's too bad that I have to say that given that you're apparently actively dating this person. So yeah.
  • [09:50] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [10:02] Keith: Well I'm not sure she listens to the show anymore. But ah if she does. Ah yeah, this probably isn't going to go over too. Well Anyway, on that note so we normally start our episodes with ah.
  • [10:06] Mike: All righty there. We go.
  • [10:20] Keith: We'll watch a porn video and narrate it narrate it and discuss it. But I don't have a porn video today. So I thought we could review a porn subreddit instead. How does that sound? Okay, so I propose we discuss.
  • [10:32] Mike: That sounds great.
  • [10:40] Keith: Subreddit breeding material. So it's Reddit Dot Com slash our slash breeding material Have you seen the subreddit before. Great.
  • [10:41] Mike: Oh My God Yeah, we'll include the link to this in the show notes. Ah I have not I've not I've seen I've I've recently encountered this kind of subreddit That's more specific I can't remember the details. But yeah I mean usually I. No I have not I've not encountered this type of subredit that's and when I say this type what I mean is like yeah there's a lot of subreds that are very specifically devoted to I Guess the ones that I do are just like good porn or like amateur porn or whatever. But but these these are like um, focused more on like some specific fetish or some specific element of of content that people might want to get.
  • [11:18] Keith: Yeah, well so going to porn subreddits on the Reddit site is a little bit annoying. All of the thumbnails are blurred out because I don't know Reddit is trying to not scandalize people. Ah.
  • [11:19] Mike: So I'm pulling it up here. How are we going to do the the the review here keith.
  • [11:37] Keith: So I normally look at subreddits through 1 of these you were calling it a a flip book earlier. Um, yeah, that aggregates all the photos from a subreddit I use 1 called popular dot pics and if you use that I think I sent you the link.
  • [11:43] Mike: I Just made that up. It's like an aggregator sure.
  • [11:57] Keith: Do you do you have this link mike.
  • [11:58] Mike: I Do yeah and we can post it in the show notes.
  • [12:01] Keith: Yeah, it. It just gives you a ah collage of you know the most recent photos and you can sort by top or new or hot or controversial ah over various time periods. But i'm. Just sorted by hot right now. So we're we're looking at the same thing. So this subreddit declares dedicated to women that represent our personal ideals of breedability and fertility content is not safe for work and most of the pictures on here are from women who are trying to attract. Traffic to their only fans or only fansesque sites and so what they do is maybe a couple times a week they'll canvass a bunch of different subreddits this 1 included with nudes and then if you click on their profile. You can find their paid. Locations I like this subreddit I like I like that I like this notion of breeding material where almost all the pictures are of women who are quite curvy in a sort of welcoming position.
  • [13:15] Mike: I Think we I think we need to yeah I think we need to sort of describe it like I Yeah I mean so yeah I mean basically yeah, there definitely isn't these aren't models. They're not like fat. They're sort of I would say on the they're they're they're they're there're.
  • [13:16] Keith: How would you can You can you expand on that.
  • [13:32] Keith: I Think this is called thick by by the Youth T T H I C c.
  • [13:33] Mike: Well proportioned. Um, they're not are you think they're at that level. Yeah,, that's a gross that's Ahs A not a not a term that we should be using. But um, yeah I mean I think I would actually put them a little bit on the thin side of thick as it were. To use the term 1 thing I notice is so I mean yeah, it's like a lot of a lot of wearing shirts but no like lower garment. Um, and yeah I mean these are just pictures So it's a little boring I um, actually I think 1 thing I think we should you should explain is how you use this like.
  • [13:59] Keith: Yeah.
  • [14:11] Mike: For material because it's like you would then have to do a lot of scrolling to make this useful like movies are much more practical. Another thing I notice is that there's a fair number of pictures where there's some sort of oil or something that's been applied to the nether regions is that supposed to look like she's been impregnated recently is that how you interpret that.
  • [14:13] Keith: Yeah.
  • [14:26] Keith: I Don't know I don't I don't see any with oil. Are you sure they're not just.
  • [14:31] Mike: Ah, there's 1 titled put a baby in me from 2 hours ago by the way I mean these are going to change like if a person listening to the podcast used to use these. We'll be seeing a totally different collection. Although that's pretty so here's a woman who it actually is a video.
  • [14:37] Keith: Oh yeah.
  • [14:44] Keith: I See the put a baby in me photo I don't think that's oil.
  • [14:49] Mike: Here's a woman who has her own fist jammed up her butt I don't know what that has to do with being breeding material.
  • [14:54] Keith: What is the? Ah, what's the. Ah, what's the caption on that 1 Yeah I found it? Wow yeah I would say that is unusual for this upright it I wouldn't expect that to bubble to the top.
  • [14:58] Mike: The caption don't worry I'll keep my cunt nice and tight for you to breed. Yeah, it's rough. But here's another 1 It's called I need someone to breed my pussy. Oh and please destroy me in the process and that 1 has something dribbling out that's clearly like So what? So I mean you're the 1 who is the aficionado here. What's the what? how does how? how do you use this and how does it work for you.
  • [15:17] Keith: I see that? yep.
  • [15:27] Keith: Okay I will okay normally I will search by top right? Sorry I'll be very careful here to ah yeah, be by genuine self. Ah.
  • [15:30] Mike: Yeah, oh and and Keith be ah, be authentic. Don't be incongruous.
  • [15:43] Mike: Good. So.
  • [15:45] Keith: So I will normally sort by top hot gets a lot of weird stuff in it like that. Ah young lady with her fist up Harass um and top at least you know sorts by by up votes and then.
  • [15:52] Mike: The first.
  • [16:03] Mike: It's like why? Well why are these? Why are these breeding material like I mean like like if you're going to have a kid with someone like I guess I guess other people operate differently than I do but like wouldn't you want to like a kid that was I don't know like smart. Like they should be holding up like their sat scores or something. But yeah, it's like these what what makes these people Actually it's it's funny like if as soon as you for me is and I'll let you finish sorry but as soon as you transition from like just just pure like beat off material to like something like having a kid like my my calculation changes pretty pretty drastically like it's like.
  • [16:24] Keith: Yeah, it's okay.
  • [16:34] Keith: Okay.
  • [16:36] Mike: It's like yeah I look at this and I'm pretty sure that all of these women are like not very smart I mean you know.
  • [16:40] Keith: See see this is this is exactly the kind of comment that gets my ah would be third date person upset I think but.
  • [16:47] Mike: Look I'm yeah except I'm right except I'm right like actually intelligent women look if you're a woman who ah gets a degree in engineering or ah, you know medicine or something like that. It's very easy. It's frankly is easy. It is easy. It's not even hard to be earning say 2 to 3 hundred thousand dollars a year these women on only fans taught like the really successful. Let's not talk about you know Kim kardashian or something but the really successful ones and only fans I've I've looked into this I mean they're earning 80000 a year and these are.
  • [17:08] Keith: Okay.
  • [17:19] Keith: Right.
  • [17:22] Mike: They're basically prostitutes they're online prostitutes. Okay, well so if they were smarter they would do the degree in engineering thing because then they don't a it's Great. You a you don't have to be a prostitute B like it gets boring Also like I like like like I was on chatterbbate once recently not once recently I've been on there many times and. This woman was doing something that like you know is compelling if you're erect. But as soon as you're finished it becomes kind of silly because it's repetitive and she's just jamming something in and out of herself and there was a guy who came in in the comment thread and he said how many hours a day. Do you have to do this.
  • [17:55] Keith: Right? right.
  • [17:56] Mike: And I thought that was pretty funny. It's like it's true like if you're looking at it from a non-sexual lens. It's like so so like look like really smart people don't want to do that. They're like this is really boring and so I actually think it's a pretty good take now could there be 1 That's something you know, got unlucky in life and had to do this sure. It's possible. Maybe 1 that doesn't want. Actually it's it's hard I mean because you're still having to put in the time. It's not like you're getting out of putting in the time Anyway. So I think it's a pretty good take but I'd be willing to debate it with with your fine feathered friend. But anyway go On. So What's what's the way you use this unless you want to respond to my little outburst.
  • [18:26] Keith: Well first off mike I mean there are some pictures here of women in glasses look this 1 even says Nerdy mom 31 fuck a condom. Let's make nerdy babies so I don't know how that's not scratching your ah your your breeding itch. But yeah I mean look.
  • [18:42] Mike: I see I see her. Yeah, that's that's good. Yes, excuse Yes, because if you have glasses it immediately makes you super smart.
  • [18:45] Keith: Yeah, right, right? right? That's a that's a video. Yeah, that's like a trope from a comic book or something like the character in the glasses is the is the is the doctor.
  • [18:53] Mike: Right? Oh you see that all the time though like in in on porn hub like anytime it says nerdy. That's what that means it simply means that she's wearing glasses and if if you don't believe me like just go check. Yeah, just search nerdy and just see it.
  • [19:02] Keith: Oh definitely definitely. They may also be. They may also be in like a catholic schoolgirl skirt. But yeah number 1 is glasses number 2 is is like some sort of schoolgirl outfit. That's that's the the code.
  • [19:11] Mike: Because that makes you nerdy I noticed by the way that the the top ones here are all when you switch to top from hot. They're all videos. So maybe that's maybe that gives a clue as to how you use this stuff in your daily manual practice.
  • [19:22] Keith: Okay, I'll switch to top as Well. Interesting. But you see how like the the attractiveness of the people also increased sorting by top versus hot I Guess we can't see the heads in like four of these.
  • [19:30] Mike: You're multiple times a day manual practice I should say oh of you mean? what? you're saying that the top people on our I mean come well. Okay, just so people know if they're new. If You're a new Reddit User Hot doesn't mean that the people are hot. It means that it's a topic that's getting a lot of interest recently so top of course is going to be more attractive because ah spoiler alert men prefer attractive women.
  • [19:48] Keith: Ah, right.
  • [20:00] Keith: So I want to point out 1 more thing before I talk about how I use this so these captions are sort of interesting like this person says no birth control and ready for you to put it in this person says fat pussy like mine should be cream hide.
  • [20:15] Mike: That's terrifying That's like a threat. It's like a threat.
  • [20:19] Keith: Ah, so it says I think it would look better with your come dripping out. Ah, here's you can come inside me if you let me sit on your face first.
  • [20:26] Mike: That feels like a threat too. They should. They should make their captions things like um, ah I'll let you come over and then never speak to me again or ah I don't I don't require I don't require. Yeah I don't require knowing your your real name I don't I don't need it. Yeah I write I I yes.
  • [20:43] Keith: After care.
  • [20:50] Mike: You can that you can just leave afterward.
  • [20:52] Keith: Ah wow. Ah, there are you do actually I think there are subredits like that I will I will try to find Um, okay, okay, sorry no, where the the gimmick is that it's like free use and then you could just leave or something.
  • [20:59] Mike: But where they change the captions. You mean.
  • [21:11] Mike: Look ah but the thing about it is women. You don't need to to do that because I already have like a google translate my brain for these captions and they all immediately get translated to like that like I only matter for fifteen minutes
  • [21:12] Keith: There's no romance.
  • [21:26] Keith: Right? right.
  • [21:30] Mike: That's I'm very good at that translation. So no need just put whatever you want and I'll just translate. Yeah.
  • [21:35] Keith: Um, okay so okay, sorry one last thing and then I'll talk about how you use this I know I said that before but this is the actual last thing this but this 1 caption says low key pixar mom ah bod vibes are you aware of this meme of the Pixar mom.
  • [21:52] Mike: I I know from our previous discussion I know that it's not a woman who works at Pixar and I would find that that would be kind of compelling a woman who was an animator or maybe 1 of the programmer that designs the 3 D rendering software that would be kind of cool. This is not that this is going to be some stupid way of saying that like. You take your kids to lots of baseball games or yeah, ah little league.
  • [22:10] Keith: No, it's right good Save This is ah no it means they have white hips that's basically it and the meme is that.
  • [22:22] Mike: What? Oh okay cycle.
  • [22:26] Keith: Pixar apparently animates the moms in their movies as having unreasonably wide hips and so if somebody has wide hips themselves they are they have a pixar mom vibe I actually see this on tinder and bumble in various dating apps. Now you know the dad Bod has been a meme for a bit longer but pixar mom. Pod is ah is would would be rising or hot in ah in Reddit parlance. Okay, the way I use this is I sort by top I see what intrigues me and then you can click on the user.
  • [22:47] Mike: Okay, good to know.
  • [23:01] Mike: Wait wait. Do you do top past month top past year top past all dude top. All.
  • [23:03] Keith: And if you click on the user. Ah I'm on I'm on top with the problem is Mike I do this often enough that all I've seen them all So I know I know.
  • [23:14] Mike: All is pretty compelling I'll tell you all if you do all you get a really some nice attractive people.
  • [23:22] Keith: I know look you get you get higher quality but I've scrolled through the first thirty pages of top of all time and so yeah've I've already already know all those women I've already I've already had them say depending on when the last time i.
  • [23:31] Mike: Got it So you're going for past weeks say.
  • [23:41] Keith: Used this strategy to jerk off was and then you can click on 1 of these people's names. So um, the first 2 picks on top for the past week are actually the same person so this is a user name to.
  • [23:42] Mike: Okay.
  • [23:54] Mike: Maybe maybe that's what's incongruous Keith is I see I shouldn't I promise myself I wouldn't sit there and ideate. But maybe it's just incongruous because the woman on the day with you is thinking? Well he's not he doesn't have he doesn't have paper towel on the table in front of him. He doesn't have his dick out.
  • [24:10] Keith: Why is this guy down a totalal sleazy's Gu bag. Yeah.
  • [24:13] Mike: So now. Yeah, well no I mean it's just like it's like on the podcast. You're basically just beating off all the time. So she's like what maybe that's all it is anyway, go on. Yeah.
  • [24:22] Keith: I mean I think for for most female listeners reference they should They should understand that you know, beating off and thinking about beating off does dominate a lot of men's idol cycles. Maybe not as much as we portray here. But.
  • [24:35] Mike: Um, yeah, look men men are like men are are not upset about how Covid has decreased the prevalence of handshaking because let's be honest like when you shake a guy's hand yikes like the odds the odds are not in your favor like if you shake.
  • [24:40] Keith: It's a lot.
  • [24:48] Keith: Yeah.
  • [24:54] Mike: Like when the president goes down and shakes or the candidate shakes say a hundred men's hands like what percentage of those have some nut on them like ten twenty. it's not 1 Yeah.
  • [24:57] Keith: Um, yeah. I mean I think it's I think it's worse than that right? because some of those men have shaked other men's hands and so you could actually end up with more than 100 total. Ah Dna Sperm cells on your hand after yeah.
  • [25:10] Mike: Yeah, oh that's horrible. You're right? You're right? Yes for each each hand you shake you actually get like 1 point 3 men's scheme and my goodness my goodness you know what a world. Okay, so so so you you'll.
  • [25:21] Keith: Yeah, the yeah the r of semen transfer is what is greater than 1 Ah, yeah, there's a lot of masturbbrading going on.
  • [25:30] Mike: Yeah, so you do top and then and then but I'm curious about the mechanics of how you first of all I mean there there are these little so do do you primarily gravitate toward the videos or toward the picture ones or just whatever.
  • [25:40] Keith: Okay I think I may be unusual here I primarily gravitate toward the pictures and I like the pictures that are not filtered like I like seeing the sort of. I Don't know if it's like imperfections but I like I like high resolutionion unfiltered photos where you can really get up in there because it it feels more.. It feels more real when you can see like actual skin texture.
  • [26:00] Mike: Why in in where.
  • [26:11] Mike: Okay, okay.
  • [26:14] Keith: Starting to sound like that guy from ah silence of the lambs.
  • [26:16] Mike: Well yeah, what do you? I mean? what's when you say it? Okay, so you want very realistic skin texture and that's because what then you can imagine you're in front of them that it's real is that how that works.
  • [26:28] Keith: Yeah here I'm going to send you a photo right now.
  • [26:32] Mike: Because I and I ask that I'm not just being pedantic like that's not really how it works for me at all like I think for me, it's like I think it's much more like there's some circuit in my brain that I'm trying to feed input to that just achieves a certain threshold right? So in order like basically like if I'm in the shower and have no content.
  • [26:45] Keith: Yeah, definitely.
  • [26:52] Mike: Like you have nothing. So then you have your imagination which is tougher but here you've got some sort of content and yeah, you're just trying to keep it above a certain threshold but you're describing a threshold that's much higher than mine I think where you're like no no, no it needs to be like mine I'm just like hey I need like a 6 out of 10 level stimulation here.
  • [26:53] Keith: Um.
  • [27:11] Mike: It sounds like you need like a nine point five you have some very specific thing. You need to find is that is that what's going on otherwise like you start getting limped limped out.
  • [27:16] Keith: Um, um I like okay the thing I like I I think the thing I like is it feeling Filters really. Bother me I'm not sure why? Ah, but.
  • [27:37] Mike: You mean like when they sort of when it just sort of like fuzzes out or what that's not the right word but it like it like makes the picture more less sharp. Okay, yes.
  • [27:44] Keith: Yeah, things are sort of washed out and they're doing that because you know maybe they have acne or so some imperfection they don't like about themselves or they.
  • [27:53] Mike: Does that happen to you with makeup too like is it is in real life does makeup kind of problem problematic.
  • [28:01] Keith: Makeup often turns me off I would say more often than not if it's done very well then it can be kind of cool but I think the majority of the time it sort of looks fake to me and I don't like it.
  • [28:14] Mike: Got it. Okay, of course I know I see I know wait I know enough about women's psychology here to and to respond here. We go for the person who's not listening that was on the date. Ah I know enough to say that like the women's going to say something like well. They're always wearing makeup and.
  • [28:16] Keith: Ah, did you. Um, this is.
  • [28:33] Mike: So it's not that you don't want them to wear it. You actually do because if they don't then they'll be blemishes and they'll look sort of more normal like a human what you really want is makeup that like you can't tell they are and you're fooling yourself and you're just being like chauvinistic I know I know that's the feedback to see it. No.
  • [28:45] Keith: I mean so first off I have had a number of women sleepover with me and I have seen women without makeup on so I do know what women look like you know when they get out of the shower.
  • [28:49] Mike: I Don't care I don't care that if that's the feedback but I know it.
  • [29:05] Keith: And how their faces look and so yeah I think that is an unfair accusation. They did yeah they probably were trying to fool me. Yeah, like in my five year relationships I'm sure have you seen the movie and not the movie the show. Ah shit.
  • [29:08] Mike: Maybe they didn't wash their face or maybe they use some sort of shower impermeable possible.
  • [29:23] Keith: Can remember what's called us on Amazon it's about a comedian in the like Fifty s and sixty s ah oh the marvelous mrs maisel that's what it's called.
  • [29:28] Mike: No thought it was I I have not.
  • [29:33] Keith: And ah yeah, there's a scene and in early episode where she wakes up before her husband and then goes and assiduously applies her makeup and then like goes back into bed and pretends to have been sleeping So I'm sure that happens too I'm just.
  • [29:43] Mike: Yeah I believe that happens by the way I believe like like look I I don't deny that there are guys that are kind of terrible people out there. It's common. There's just just as many women that are terrible people That's more my contention.
  • [29:55] Keith: Sure Ah, okay, the point is I've seen women without makeup and I and I.
  • [30:02] Mike: I'm just saying it's crappy. It's crappy to have that kind of an expectation like it's ah adult people should be able to you know, realize that like people you know that men and women are more the same than different and so forth. So.
  • [30:07] Keith: Oh definitely.
  • [30:13] Keith: Yeah I mean I do feel like so are can you take a look at this photo I sent you. It's in your whatsapp.
  • [30:20] Mike: Yeah, you need to you know if we want to share this with you should make sure to add this to our little database of photos so I can um, share this with our audience as well. This is a photo of a I mean this is compelling although um Keith knows how I feel about.
  • [30:26] Keith: Okay, all right fine fine I will good.
  • [30:39] Mike: Um, she's not she's not my type but ah, but she ah she's fit. She's got ah maybe her underwear hanging off her foot kind of lying back looking happy at the camera Nice artwork behind her I guess.
  • [30:41] Keith: Okay.
  • [30:51] Keith: Business.
  • [30:59] Mike: Anyway, what? what? what's compelling to you about this. It's It's not nice. Our work by the way it's crap go on. Yeah well I'm sensitive to people like you know I don't want to give people ammo for like saying I said something stupid. So.
  • [30:59] Keith: So I like this photo is not quite. Thank you for clarifying. That's that's very important this the like oh yeah, his his tasted art is really the final straw.
  • [31:17] Mike: Right? okay.
  • [31:19] Keith: This photo is decent in that it hasn't been airbrush but it's taken by a camera phone. It's not taken by a professional camera. Um, she is she is yeah ah I like.
  • [31:31] Mike: She's taking she's wearing massive amounts of makeup on her face and she definitely is enhanced.
  • [31:38] Keith: Like that I can zoom in on her vagina and I like sort of looking in the crease of her leg and like I'm almost like forensically looking for imperfections and that and this woman doesn't have any. It's quite nice and I like this photo. Ah.
  • [31:52] Mike: I Think there's a lot of makeup involved here possibly even in the crotch area. Um, and also she does have an imperfection in the sense that her ah her big toe. The toenail is not perfectly. It looks like the paint on that isn't perfect, but.
  • [31:58] Keith: Whoa. Wow.
  • [32:07] Keith: I'm glad I'm glad you brought this up. Are you aware of what this kind of pose is called This is good I think you're probably not.
  • [32:13] Mike: Well just so people know I mean I think you would characterize this maybe as something akin to a person sliding into second base in baseball like she's got 1 leg up 1 leg kind of forward all those band a little bit I mean that gives you an idea and she's back where she's like it's like she's kind of reclining but go on what's the post called.
  • [32:21] Keith: Ah, yes, okay, this is um, this this pose is called plast and P L a S T T and that stands for pussy legs ass smile. Toenails and tits pussy legs ass smile toenails and tits and you have to be a little bit bendy to even pull this off. But yeah, this is the classic plast shot.
  • [32:40] Mike: Okay.
  • [32:52] Mike: The amazing thing is she's also taking the photo with her own hand I'm kidding that would be impossible. There's.
  • [32:57] Keith: I think she must have set up a self-timer here unless she has a a a partner willing to that This looks like it was set up with a self timer that would be my guess.
  • [33:03] Mike: Right? I So I mean so I mean if you were using this photo as part of your routine I Still want to understand how you pass from photo to photo while you're busy I Assume that just involves left hand right hand madness but like how like what.
  • [33:15] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [33:21] Mike: How long would you spend on this photo. You're saying you would okay I want to understand when you're you said that you like obsessively look for imperfections is that part of your process or is that something you do on your on your spare time when you're not ah in front of the keyboard with the paper towel out.
  • [33:33] Keith: Now It's part of my it's part. Ah, it's part of my process I'm not.. It's not conscious. It's not like I am intentionally looking for imperfections. But I think that's what the background processing in my brain is doing. And so what I would do is okay so I would I would go to this good. Good. Let's get into it. Let's get into it so I would I would go to this user's so you know I would I would like click on this photo and I'd be like oh yeah, that's kind of compelling and then I'd go back to the main page and then I would click on this user.
  • [33:50] Mike: This is some weird shit I don't think this is normal. This is some weird shit What you're describing right now but go on. Yeah.
  • [34:08] Keith: And then this aggregator that I use popular picks shows a bunch of photos of her now. So I'm sending that to you now and you know if I like this gal I will look at 105 15 of her photos and slowly get more aroused hopefully and then at some point I will.
  • [34:32] Mike: I Think she's more my type than I thought actually I'm I'm starting to come around but go on you.
  • [34:36] Keith: Okay, um, at some point I will I will tire of her and you know for some people. It'll be five photos some. It'll be 20 but at some point I will and then I'll go back to the main page and pick someone else and then eventually.
  • [34:52] Mike: So on this link you just on this link. You just sent me which we will Also yeah this ah this link that you just sent me with on the link that you just sent me which will post on the show notes on the right partway down.
  • [34:56] Keith: It's like priming. It's like go ahead. It's It's a little bit like priming like sorry all right I'll stop this time. Go ahead.
  • [35:09] Mike: There's a picture of where she appears to be anorexic Sure I'm bored and horny such a dilemma.
  • [35:09] Keith: Can you tell me the caption.
  • [35:19] Keith: I see it. Yeah, she looks pretty skinny there. Yeah, lots of articulated ribs. Yeah yeah, yeah I mean look.
  • [35:26] Mike: Problematically so although yeah, it's strange and like I'm guessing like ah the waist size being under 20 inches or something.
  • [35:37] Keith: Ah, we can speculate about this woman a bit I think I mean she that she has what I mean you can st scrollll for a while she's hundreds of photos on here. Ah.
  • [35:46] Mike: Well I'm sure all the the fat went to her brain to raise her iq.
  • [35:51] Keith: Yeah I think this girl may have this lady may have some emotional issues that some may not ah fully appreciate put it that way today.
  • [36:10] Mike: Oh I don't know I don't know but I mean I wouldn't necessarily put that on her mean it's just this is just how she makes money like that's fine. You know it's just it's not interesting like it's it's interesting to me for about ten minutes a day.
  • [36:11] Keith: Did I dance around that well or no.
  • [36:22] Keith: Sure sure. Ah.
  • [36:25] Mike: And you know and it's somewhat regrettable to be honest, like I can see the I can see the flaws in my own my own process. Okay, so sorry so I cut we cut each other off repeatedly so you were describing the process you follow here.
  • [36:36] Keith: Yeah I just checked she has 31000 instagram followers 31 point five thousand. Um, but yeah I sort of rotate from from person to person and it's like you know when you start a lawnmower sometimes you have to pull the cord like you know.
  • [36:44] Mike: That's cool.
  • [36:54] Keith: 4 or 5 times I think that's like a good analogy here. You know I find my my my first ah lady of the of the session and you know pull the cord and sometimes it starts on the first poll. Ah, but sometimes it takes 3 or 4 or five polls and I but I I do wonder.
  • [36:55] Mike: Yeah, yeah.
  • [37:13] Keith: Yeah I think my average number of clicks and switching of material during a masturbation session is higher than most.
  • [37:18] Mike: Oh I don't know I think it's very high I've I've seen I've I've seen stats before about like how long people spend on the different videos in cornrnhub and stuff and it's it's it's really low. It's about what you would expect I mean people people people move on every like twenty seconds or thirty seconds on average or something. It's not It's really not that long. Um. You. So when you're doing this and going from from lady to lady I mean you really are sort of doing a study of each 1 of them how much time do you spend? um with each 1 how how helpful helpful is it in your process to think about her intellectual qualities.
  • [37:43] Keith: Yeah.
  • [37:53] Keith: I Don't think it occurs to me at all I do like I do like some of these captions that.
  • [37:56] Mike: Interesting How about how about how good of a friend she would be or something like that like ah these things you think about like how how fun it would be on a date with her or anything like that. None of that you just you just think about her as like basically like just and ah just a physical.
  • [38:10] Keith: No.
  • [38:15] Mike: She's just it. She's just like it like but pointing if if okay, here's a good way to do this experiment like if you if she were like a some sort of robot that the body was perfectly done but like brain wise it was like you know, not not a very good ai you know like it maybe maybe something like um Mark zuckerberg. Testing finding in front of congress just totally robotic would that matter to you in in in this context would it matter to you that you had no personality.
  • [38:37] Keith: Yep. Yeah I think the fantasy is that I have seduced this person and now she's giving herself to me.
  • [38:46] Mike: Sort of personality at that stage doesn't matter. That's right.
  • [38:50] Keith: Yeah I think yeah like I'm I'm assuming the the background work has been done to establish a you know a compelling connection. So I'm interested in having sex with a person I'm not totally objectifying them I'm I'm like as I mean.
  • [39:02] Mike: Yeah, so all normal men. Oh yeah, you are.
  • [39:08] Keith: Look I'm masturbating right? So like you know there's not that much thought being given to their intellectuality. But it's not like it's not like I'm I would prefer if they were a cyborg or something.
  • [39:19] Mike: Oh I Know that's right? Yeah I mean although you might in the sense that like it would be more accessible and so forth like it wouldn't it would it would make it more practical like I think I think that as humanity quote unquote progresses toward that level of technology like there are a lot of men who will actually actively choose that just for.
  • [39:34] Keith: I do.
  • [39:38] Mike: This particular use case. Not not to go to dinner and with not to have conversations with but although maybe someday but but not on this level. We're just talking about like physical gratification and also like you know I mean ah this is something that I think it's difficult for women to accept about men. Like yeah like when you get to a certain stage.. There's like not really an emotional connection in certain ways. It's It's much more of a it. It enters a different region of the brain.. What's what's important to you and it's 1 of these is 1 of this is 1 of these categories where like I think it would be better for people to just come to terms with the reality that that's how people are instead of. Demonizing and you know you have to set ground rules around it I mean men can't use that as an excuse to to commit a crime but of course but I mean like yeah this is just the way people are and and if if somebody tells you oh no, That's not how I feel he's lying and it's too bad. Why make people lie Why not let people just tell the truth about how they are. You know men ah men inscrutably don't care about your personality at this stage and you know women inscrutably like find screaming babies. Cute. You know or whatever like as an example like there are things that men don't understand too. You know that's 1 that I have difficulty understanding you know.
  • [40:45] Keith: Yeah I think I am more we've talked about this before and you've ah had some fun ah mocking me about this. But yeah I the in the moments after sex I think I am more the. The word's not the word is definitely not clingy but I am more interested in pillow talk than the average jake.
  • [41:18] Mike: That's probably good I mean I know I don't know that I suspect you're more normal I Suspect that's like fairly common to like because yeah because what's happening is you're like normal personal is reasserting itself. You've exited like this weird zone that you were in. Um, yeah, and like that you know yeah I mean yeah, your brain enters this weird zone and yeah for me.
  • [41:28] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [41:35] Mike: Problem is like I'm more introverted than you are and so like the zone that I get back my my my real like in some ways I think the personality that I adopt right? afterward is is my real personality which is like yeah I want to go like live in a cabin in the woods with no 1 around or at least I think I do yeah.
  • [41:47] Keith: Right? right.
  • [41:51] Mike: And there there's a yeah I think there are a lot of men that are that way too. But no I think you're probably more typical otherwise there would be no society. Yeah.
  • [41:54] Keith: Yeah, all right? Do you want to interrogate me do an interrogate me anymore about my masturbation habits with this particulars I read it.
  • [42:01] Mike: Well, how do you? Yeah I Just like mechanically speaking How do you see you just scroll you do the left hand on the ah in your in your lap and your right hand on the mouse and you just sort of scroll through this stuff is that is that. I mean but you but you do I mean it sounds like you have to do some zooming in order to get the whatever you get out of like investigating the imperfections. How do you?? How do you zoom in and out with your right hand. Do you have like a track pad.
  • [42:20] Keith: Um, yeah, but I can use I can use my right hand for all of this.
  • [42:30] Keith: Now I have a mouse but you can click on the image and then in chrome if the image is the image fits to your monitor by default and then if you want to zoom in it. Ah, it gives you a little you just left Click man and you right click to zoom out.
  • [42:44] Mike: Yeah, this again is showing this is again is showing. Yeah this it's yeah this is this is the technology a significant amount of technological progress that's been made in the last hundred years is due to this kind of need and.
  • [42:47] Keith: I don't I don't need to lose I don't I don't need to leave the I don't need my hand doesn't need to leave the mouse.
  • [43:03] Mike: Yes, indeed Apple has innovated the ability to do so sort of complex actions by rubbing your finger on the top of the mouse and and we we see that in action right here I mean you you think it's for graphic design but it's actually for keith to check out the dimples on a lady's butt to get his erection point five percent harder. And to inch inch ever slowly inch his sperm closer to his prostate to ejaculate.
  • [43:27] Keith: I think this is a good time to move on to our next topic speaking of ah strong erections. This person says my erections are completely vertical and rigid I'm 17 years old and I've been struggling with this since I remember.
  • [43:31] Mike: Yes, for.
  • [43:46] Keith: Basically my penis gets hard but my erection goes all the way up parallel to my body and goes rigid af as fuck. This means that if I try to push it down. It feels like it's going to break if I push too much and it gets if I push too much and it gets painful after some point I don't know if it sounds stupid but when I watch porn videos I see girls riding guys and their member are like flexible. You know. Ah mind gets rigid and completely vertical making those scenes difficult to see because I start to imagine what would happen to me if a girl tries that crack sounds in my head gross I never had any kind of sexual interaction with anybody. But if the moment arrives I fear this could be a trouble for me for them or for me. Search this and the only thing I could manage to find was that my problem was related to the suspensary ligament nothing else yet.
  • [44:27] Mike: Yeah I mean he should. He should see a doctor That's not how that's supposed to work.
  • [44:30] Keith: I think I don't think that's I think he's dramatizing here. First off it can't be literally vertical and.
  • [44:39] Mike: Well vertical depends on your body's orientation if he was lying face down and it was vertical that would be strange indeed. So he means he means vertical I assume ah from the aspect of if you're standing up so meaning it would if you were standing up. It would be pointing at his nose. That's how I took that? yeah.
  • [44:53] Keith: Correct but okay, let's see it's ah, let's say that like pointing out straight from your body perpendicularly is zero degrees and if it was pointing down. It would be like negative and if it's pointing up if it's pointing vertically up, it's ninety degrees I'm guessing his is like.
  • [45:07] Mike: Like where are you on where are you on that by the way there is left and right too.
  • [45:12] Keith: I don't know I think ah there is yeah I'm zero degrees left right? I I'm pretty ah pretty true on that axis yeah maybe 2 degrees positive 3 degrees positive I don't yeah that would that would be my guess and then I could I can actually like.
  • [45:19] Mike: Yeah, yeah I think mine's just straight out like no yeah sure. Yeah.
  • [45:31] Keith: Flex It make it bounce but that's not what we're talking about here. You can't too dude. That's not that's not happening. Ah.
  • [45:35] Mike: That's really impressive I think um, our listeners would probably like to see a video of that. Oh yeah, that's true I can too. Yeah, you're not going to do a video of that you could look that the somewhat frequently men post videos of this look. It's very easy to get a video of this. So.
  • [45:50] Keith: Ah, yeah, ah when you're having sex with somebody say in the missionary position. What angle do you think your penise is from your body using the same scale.
  • [45:51] Mike: Move on. Yeah.
  • [46:01] Mike: So zero is straight out and Ninety would be pointing toward my nose I'm going to go with 135 yeah yeah it's the other thing though like the ah the crack.
  • [46:04] Keith: Yes. Yeah I was going to say at least forty five. So I think this guy is fine.
  • [46:18] Keith: The for push it for pushing it down.
  • [46:21] Mike: Like there's obviously something wrong with his. Yeah,, there's something wrong with his body like I don't I don't fully and because 1 of the things that it makes me think of is like okay if there this is like unnecessarily medical. But like if there's something attached to the base there. That's holding it at that angle. Then? how does he pee. Like does he pee in his own face which you can do by the way like you can pee up as a guy of course.
  • [46:40] Keith: Ah, ah, will nor present presumably. He's not erect at the time of most peeing. Ah, there's a comment here that I had noticed but I think it's important that I read it.
  • [46:50] Mike: Right.
  • [46:58] Keith: Person says you did indeed find your answer your suspensary ligaments are really tight. It's normal I tried to adjust my mine and now I'm sorry I did what I did as a teen was to hang a couple tamp towels for my erection and then try to maintain the erection. It worked slowly over time. My erections were just slightly above perpendicular to my body.
  • [47:09] Mike: 3
  • [47:17] Keith: Sounds like us. Well what no 1 tells you is that your suspensary ligaments naturally stretch even more with time and use. So now my erections are good but below perpendicular to my body everything works fine. It just looks less impressive l o l.
  • [47:22] Mike: Earth.
  • [47:30] Mike: Yeah, it would never have occurred to me at any age to suspend damp or wet towels like weight weighted towels. There are men who suspend things to try to regrow their foreskin so they will like attach duct tape around.
  • [47:36] Keith: Awaits.
  • [47:49] Mike: Themselves and then hang things from it to sort of pull on the skin if you can imagine that which apparently does work over a period of many many weeks you will get some action. Sure sure I mean yeah.
  • [47:55] Keith: I can. I Think there are surgical things you can do to restore your foreskin as well.
  • [48:08] Mike: Like a skin transplant or some sort of the analog of a burn burn victim or ah, yeah, we have oh definitely.
  • [48:13] Keith: Sure we've talked about my foreskin plenty over the last weeks we don't have to don't have to get back into that. Um, okay, so okay, so yeah I guess this could actually be a thing but it's not worth worrying about because over time. It's fine.
  • [48:29] Mike: I will say that like look when it's there is I I know what he's talking about in the sense of like when it's really hard. There is something there that like you can sort of pull on but it doesn't hurt I Actually think it's kind of pleasurable and I understand what he's talking about like there's something rigid there but I haven't.
  • [48:45] Keith: There is there is if I push my dick down like it feels sort of strange. But yeah I don't think it I don't think there's any cracking or.
  • [48:49] Mike: Spent a lot of time on the aonon.
  • [48:59] Mike: Right.
  • [49:05] Keith: Whatever but there is an angle beyond which I don't think I can I can push it. Yeah so all right I'm going to go on to our next topic here. So this is sort of Apropos to a conversation we had.
  • [49:09] Mike: I agreed.
  • [49:21] Keith: A while back this person wonders. How do I tell my girl to stop performing in bed. Okay, basically when she gives me a blowjob or we have sex she acts like a porn Star. It feels unnatural and over the top like over the top moaning eye rolls noises. Whatever I've been with enough women to know what the general reaction is and hers is just over the top to the point where I can't even take it seriously. Honestly feel half uncomfortable and half like I'm going to laugh a huge turn on for me is when someone genuinely enjoys what's going on and I can tell when it's real or not so how can I say this to her Anyone had any similar experiences I don't want to embarrass her or hurt her feelings.
  • [49:52] Mike: Um, I mean that's not just a huge turn on for him That's like normal right? I mean like like look men are programmed societally. Well yeah, it's like men yeah men like men are programmed societally and there's reasons for this I'm not I guess I'm complaining a little.
  • [49:57] Keith: Oh having a partner into you.
  • [50:08] Mike: But like it's just the way it is like if it if if it weren't this way like society would cease to function for a variety of reasons that aren't that interesting but men are basically programmed to view there themselves as kind of gross male maleness is kind of negative. It's not valued and so forth like male physicality and so forth I guess in sports but to be done to. A digression but the point is like so like yeah so it's a little weird for a guy to have somebody want to like yeah like to want want to do something like that with you and so men enjoy that right? It's like oh you know there's here's somebody who actually is finding real pleasure in this. And the problem is like if then like the person appears to be simulating everything that makes it a drag I imagine that that's like 1 of the key Thresholds that 1 has to get past to enjoy an encounter with a prostitute. That kind of thing is so like it's I don't have the experience in that area but I would imagine that like yeah, you have to basically like get into some sort of head space where you're just like I don't care that this person like is not enjoying this person is definitely not enjoying this I'm paying them for it. So.
  • [51:10] Keith: Right? I mean you don't want the prostitute to show up and like you know, keep looking at her watch and yeah, there's like.
  • [51:19] Mike: Why Actually what I was saying is something different I'm saying that I think men have to like probably get into a headspace where they just they know look you know? Yeah, of course if she's reinforcing it. It's even worse. But I'm saying I think men because men people aren't that stupid. They know she shouldn't want to be there. So It's like you have to get into a headspace where you somehow can ignore that. And that's hard I imagine like most men can't do that very well. So This guy's basically being forced into that kind of a heads he would have to do that to to enjoy this. Yeah have you have you Keith encountered a woman who did this who is unrealistic.
  • [51:46] Keith: Yeah I mean I mean I've been with some loud women but I presume it's just because I'm so skillful in bed. Yeah, ah yeah, of course I have it. It's.
  • [51:55] Mike: Okay, all right all right? So you've not had 1 where you were suspicious of the intensity of the reaction.
  • [52:06] Keith: That great that it's ah counterintuitively for her sort of emasculating for me. Well I've told you about this partner I had that was so loud that like the morning after she wanted to have sex again and I was I kind of didn't want to because I was already embarrassed for my neighbors.
  • [52:08] Mike: I Think we discussed this. Right.
  • [52:22] Mike: That but she was loud vocally right? So this is like an underappreciated benefit of going for the blow right? Is it also operates as some kind of a gag. Yeah so you could have just been like hey like.
  • [52:24] Keith: Yeah, super loud.
  • [52:32] Keith: Ah, it muzzles her. Yes.
  • [52:38] Mike: This in the mornings I like or oral right? So maybe put that in your put that in your pocket. Yeah, exactly.
  • [52:41] Keith: Yeah,, that's a good pro tip I I wish I would have thought of that at the time. Yeah, it might might quiver. Okay, ah so I do think I mean we've talked about how there's There's some like normal. Amount of moating and and and some of that is like physiological and instinctual and some of it is cultural and I don't know I think some people go ahead.
  • [53:06] Mike: I think the physiological I think the physiological instinctual stuff instinctual stuff is right around climax so it's like within say I'm going to say sixty seconds before just to be just put put a but it could even be less time than that. So like there's some amount of like that like yeah, it's like you're.
  • [53:20] Keith: Sure sure.
  • [53:26] Mike: Because basically like it's I would put it I'd say it's analogous to like if somebody injected like morphine into you. There's probably like sounds you would make right I mean like animals do like I mean there's yeah because you're just like your brain is being addled right? The other everything else. Everything else that happens I think is cultural. What do you?? What do you think about that. Not necessarily performative I mean it's it's cultural Cultural doesn't have to be performative. It doesn't have to be performative implies. It's like a put on this is like cultural in the sense that like people say like ah or whatever during conversations they have like little.
  • [53:45] Keith: Is performative whoo.
  • [54:03] Mike: Verbal vocal things they do yeah and that doesn't have to be performative.
  • [54:04] Keith: Ticks. Okay, but yeah, but I think I mean some of it is useful, right? So Let's say you're with a partner and they do something you like you might give them. Some feedback by moaning a bit.. There's some yeah like some some moaning and verbal stuff can be can be useful so but I mean yeah, it is but I think some people can sort of go off the rails with this like if they watch a lot of porn.
  • [54:25] Mike: Sure.
  • [54:32] Mike: Um, yeah, that's cultural I mean yeah.
  • [54:41] Keith: They may just think that normal thing to do is to you know, just be sort of extremely loud.
  • [54:49] Mike: When you're when you're oh oh I see they've they've they've internalized I think that's right I think that I think that ah women can draw the wrong lessons from watching that kind of material I think that's right and I think that's somewhat common I mean you encounter people talking about that you don't but you didn't mean that. Ah. You would vocalize while watching porn did you I assume you don't look you don't you're not like oh you're a you're a bad girl to the but but right at them right within they say this hang on hang on but within the sixty seconds or maybe the ten seconds before before your great by daily eruption.
  • [55:09] Keith: No I don't I don't think I do no no no.
  • [55:24] Keith: Finale ah semi daily. So.
  • [55:26] Mike: Buy daily or no, it's not by be baby semi daily. Yeah I'm not giving you enough credit your semi daily eruption. You would ah you would potentially around then make some kind of sound I think that would be typical it' it's would I'm not you know, no nobody wants that if it was.
  • [55:36] Keith: Yeah I mean we could get a good mic set up and test this ourselves. Yeah, but I think people that the thing is what you need is you need someone.
  • [55:45] Mike: If you were female the that could get a lot of listens but no, not in some male you would get zero.
  • [55:54] Keith: Who hasn't been exposed to pornography or like you know culture in general because like what I'm doing now may also have been learned I don't know no I think you're right? No I think you're right I think blinded I think a blinded person would also moan as he approaches and reaches climax.
  • [56:02] Mike: Yeah.
  • [56:10] Mike: Oh for sure. Yeah, like I think that's there's a physiological right? Yeah because your brain is like something's happening but this but this behavior of the woman like yeah I mean I think like there's there's a certain amount of encouragement now. That being said, that being said like I can imagine like an evolutionary.
  • [56:13] Keith: Your breathing intensifies at the very least.
  • [56:29] Mike: Benefit to women doing this like you know, let's say you're in the wild as humans like it's like it's the year 1 hundred thousand b c e and and I just threw that e in there for our liberal friends and we ah you you are. You're going to mate. Well I mean you know it's dangerous out there. You're not in a house. You're like out in the wild and it might be useful for the woman to basically make it and do things to make it go faster so there could be some adaptive benefit there right? You know.
  • [56:55] Keith: Ah.
  • [57:03] Keith: Ah, yeah I can imagine. So.
  • [57:08] Mike: Or it's for the guy. There's like no adaptive benefit I mean the adaptive benefit that I've heard people talk about for men is that Alice let me think about this me get this right? I've I've read that men are more. Ah. Psychologically present during orgasm the women are with the idea being something like let's say that you're in the wild and you're at the toward the end of your activity together. The man is going to be still able to jump up and fight the animal whereas the woman has no need for that and so she. Does not need to be a psychologically present I've read that I've not in any way verified that but I've read it.
  • [57:51] Keith: That's interesting I've noticed that some women are like physiologically sort of incapacitated for a little while they're not paralyzed but you know they're extremely sensitive and yeah, there's something going on there that would make it so that.
  • [57:59] Mike: Thrpe.
  • [58:07] Keith: Jumping up would not be on the top of their list of things to do.
  • [58:08] Mike: But Keith none of this should distract you from the the fact that men and women are identical. Gender does not exist and is a social construct and yeah, this is not true like men and women.
  • [58:14] Keith: Right? Sorry this is all just made up in my mind you're right.
  • [58:22] Mike: Given the same amount of training bench press the same exact amount of weight. There's just no differences whatsoever historically women were equally likely to as men to go fight the bear that's invading like that's I So yeah, nothing I'm saying is actually right? It's all just wrong. Yes.
  • [58:34] Keith: Yeah, it's it's good that we inserted these caveats here to um, yeah, cover our bases. Okay, let's do 1 less topic ah congratulations. That's ah obviously not a miracle because there is no such thing as gender. But.
  • [58:41] Mike: And also I don't know if I told you this Keith but I'm pregnant. Thanks! Thanks! Yeah, right? thanks.
  • [58:53] Keith: ah ah congratulations so um okay this first it says friends with benefit goes soft while going down on me is he not enjoying it. Basically I 27 female have been seeing this guy 25 year old male for a few months in a fwb situation.
  • [59:05] Mike: Ah.
  • [59:12] Keith: But also kind of stepping into the what we are territory. But that's another story. Okay, whatever. That's not important and I've noticed that every time he goes down on me. He goes soft pretty quickly is it right? to assume that maybe he's not into giving oral I've always gotten super wet while giving head the thought the thought that maybe it causes the opposite for him makes me kind of sad.
  • [59:18] Mike: That's perhaps is.
  • [59:32] Keith: And also kind of guilty considering he still goes down on me the other night when he was eating me out I know you love that expression I asked him casually if he liked what he was doing trying to play cool in a sexy way and he of course said he was into it but I don't know if this is true if he was totally flaccid. Can anyone weigh in on this can you still really enjoy a sex act.
  • [59:36] Mike: Yes.
  • [59:47] Mike: How is she seeing it like how is she like what is so I mean there are most positions where you do that unless okay this is like we talked about this last week the ah the sitting backward on the toilet thing from south park like.
  • [59:51] Keith: If it makes you lose your vulnerable.
  • [01:00:04] Keith: Right? right? right.
  • [01:00:06] Mike: There aren't many positions where she has the sort of ability to to see that and also so there's that that's 1 criticism of this young lady and the other 1 is like is that really her top of mind like he must be pretty bad at it or she's not into it or something because like you think that wouldn't be top of mind because. Because my experience with this is like like look this is a thing that happens it happens because he's not being stimulated in that area and so it doesn't I wouldn't say it goes to zero. That's not right? but it but it it might reduce to say thirty percent or something be it typical? um.
  • [01:00:38] Keith: Um.
  • [01:00:42] Mike: But it doesn't happen immediately right? It's going to be over a period of time during this activity because this activity's kind of boring ultimately and not stimulating the guy in any sort of specific physical way. So it's like yes like like the first I'm sure you can agree with me on this keith like the first like. Let's say you're with a new partner the first like two minutes of giving her oral is kind of exciting but like when you get to minute Twenty. It's not anymore and so it's like and and the women understand this by the way because the same thing happens for women ah that you know it. It becomes a little bit tedious and a chore like you're starting to.
  • [01:01:05] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
  • [01:01:14] Keith: Right.
  • [01:01:20] Mike: You know, maybe maybe some moaning starts happening there just to get him to finish that activity. Um, so yeah, so that's the second thing is so so by the time he becomes flaccid which would say be 2 3 four minutes into this activity. You'd think she'd be enjoying it enough that she wouldn't be paying attention so I'm a little I have some critique for her that like why? what's going on there that she's so. Tune to that and then also just the positioning is confusing. But yes of course this happens like yeah like I mean like it yeah it loses yeah once you've been there a little while like it stops being novel kind of quickly like what's what's your take on that.
  • [01:01:51] Keith: Yeah, okay, so as for her specifically it is sort of weird that she's auditing his ah rigidity while he's going down on her normally the man I mean there's there's a few ways you can do this. But. Ah, the standard way is you know she lays down opens her legs and you're on your stomach or you know maybe you're on the chair or something but you know you're like I don't know how she would even be able to see her penis and that circumstance.
  • [01:02:23] Mike: Like and knowing you as I do Keith I know that you don't do it the standard way. So why don't you tell us how you do It is that what you do okay.
  • [01:02:28] Keith: Well, there's of course face sitting and if she's sitting on your face I do both man look I am I Ah I'm I'm here to please and she we've we've made this joke before but normally face sitting. Ah.
  • [01:02:41] Mike: God help us.
  • [01:02:47] Keith: She's facing you. So she's not looking. She's not looking at your at your penis that way now if she is looking at your penis if if if she's sitting on your face and her ass is towards your face then yeah your your nose is in her anus and so yeah, that's just yeah I mean that's just not I mean look.
  • [01:02:47] Mike: So yes.
  • [01:02:58] Mike: And women women don't write. That's why women don't like that is because that puts the nose in the butt. Yeah.
  • [01:03:06] Keith: Like I think that I'm eating ass is becoming more and more normalized but that's that's a conversation for another day. Ah, and then as for more generally Yeah, okay so yeah, so specifically I don't understand how she's auditing his rigidity. No I have I still have not.
  • [01:03:13] Mike: Wait wait. Wait did did you lick someone's ass is that Okay, that's too bad. Okay go on.
  • [01:03:24] Keith: I still have not um I don't know if you'll be the first to know if I do but I but I swear I still have not.
  • [01:03:30] Mike: Okay, okay I thought maybe that's why that came up but okay, so ah, yeah, no I write to instance.
  • [01:03:33] Keith: No, no, no, it did no, It's just you know it's Becoming. We've we've had that conversation before um, okay and then like more generally. Yeah I think I find going down on women pretty arousing. But yeah, there's a limit like if I'm down there for. You know an entire episode of an hour long Netflix show. That's not this as an example obviously that obviously there's nothing left there.
  • [01:03:54] Mike: An hour. Yeah I think it would become. Something else would have to happen in the middle for that to be even possible I think a day I mean it's possible like if I had to like if some gun to my head like I could do it for quite some time but like I think that there's a.
  • [01:04:09] Keith: How long do it do wait Sorry it there is it there go down on someone or maintain an erection. Yeah.
  • [01:04:15] Mike: The first 1 The second one's an interesting question I don't I think that the second 1 ne's pretty long although it starts to get like uncomfortable. Um, but the first 1 like ah.
  • [01:04:23] Keith: Yeah, yeah, gun gun to your head and like you have time to prepare plenty of source material and.
  • [01:04:31] Mike: Oh I was imagining like no no, the the thing that will maintain an erection. The longest is if you're like physically in the presence of someone that you're interested in dot dotda da it's yeah, it's that's definitely the longest possible period of time and then like some so yeah with porn. It would be I mean yeah, look you could do it sure.
  • [01:04:40] Keith: Right here.
  • [01:04:50] Mike: I Mean you you could have some sort of weird marathon you do I wanted to react to I wanted to react also to the like the just because I like pissing off this person that who's not going to listen to any anymore episodes but I wanted to react to the F W B part of the question like like this thing that she's saying.
  • [01:05:01] Keith: Ah.
  • [01:05:10] Mike: Thing that the questioner saying is not a good choice for women like ah the the um ah being like oh I'm going to f wb with a guy for how forget how many months she obviously wants a more concrete relationship with him like yeah like.
  • [01:05:14] Keith: Go on.
  • [01:05:28] Mike: The guy is getting what he wants and you're not getting what you want like when you read something like that. It's the woman is losing now they can just be like oh I'm liberated I can do whatever I want. That's True. That's True. You can do whatever you want. There's a lot of things I can go out in my yard and get a hammer and pound nails into my head I can like poke my eyes out. There's all kinds of terrible things I can do to myself So I'm not saying you can't I'm. Libertarian enough to say do whatever you want I'm just saying It's a bad decision like if you want relation tos with people like have some ground rules for having a relationship before you're talking about like whether's cock or what yeah what you know? what?? what?? What's going on with the cock during during oral you know figure like figure.
  • [01:06:02] Keith: Third during minute minute seventeen of oral. Yeah.
  • [01:06:07] Mike: Yeah, like like maybe that's not your top priority now if if you are just some sort of like unusual but not nonexistent kind of lothario woman who just wants to have sex all the time fine. That's cool. You know, but it's just not well from the tenor of the question you can tell that that's not who this person is. She's like oh you know I want to convert through it and by the way the guy's not thinking about that at all. He's not thinking like oh man, we're f wb but I really want to put a ring on that. No no, no, no, no, no, no, he's thinking this is great I've got this girl on tuesdays and thursdays that I put a nut in I got this other girl I got an eye on for Wednesday and Saturday that's what he's thinking. Always unless know I'm saying in the fwb situation now if the guy is like hey I'm going to there are men who are more relationshiporing but he's going to then drive in that direction but you know so anyway, it's just hard to let that go by without ah pointing out how the systematic errors here the violence in the system.
  • [01:07:00] Keith: Okay I think that's a good soliloquy to end on I Want to talk a little bit about boners when not aroused and like if that's even yeah, yeah I wanted to yeah, want to explore erections.
  • [01:07:01] Mike: As it were.
  • [01:07:10] Mike: You mean morning wood.
  • [01:07:20] Keith: And whether if you're flaccid you could actually be a route. Yeah anyway, yeah, but we'll do that. We'll do that next episode. So that's a wrap for this episode 41 of your mileage may vary if you have any questions or comments for us. Our email address is y m and the pod gmail dot com reminder we pay fifteen bucks for feedback.
  • [01:07:25] Mike: Sure.
  • [01:07:39] Keith: Thanks for listening and we'll catch you next time.