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Episode 42: Hiding Condoms, Sex Advice, Unnaturally High Nipples

Team YMMV | 11-8-2021 | 1:09:17

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The 45-55 subreddit appears to appeal primarily to people who like heavily surgically modified breasts, or so I would say. If you come out of the operating room and your nipples now point directly upward, something has gone wrong. We review the relevant subreddit.

For the lazy, here's a link to the sub: https://ymmv.me/42/fortyfivefiftyfive

And here's a link to an image showcase: https://ymmv.me/42/image-showcase

Women do not enjoy finding condoms stuck inside them hours or days after sex. Did the condom break? Is she pregnant? Not the best situation. Men should just tell the truth!

We tackle pegging yet again (verbally, not physically -- though I can't speak for Keith). And, some general sex tips and advice (Imagine that!).

In reviewing the 45-55 subreddit, we viewed various images. Here they are:

https://ymmv.me/42/high-nipples

https://ymmv.me/42/lower-nipples

https://ymmv.me/42/higher-nipples

https://ymmv.me/42/ultra-high-nipples

https://ymmv.me/42/possibly-real-breasts

We get a lot of our questions from the Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/42/paper

https://ymmv.me/42/condom

https://ymmv.me/42/advice

https://ymmv.me/42/pegging

Episode Transcript

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  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships I am Keith my co-host is Mike I've been enjoying reading your show notes. Mike.
  • [00:05] Mike: Hey keith.
  • [00:12] Mike: That's a clever way to indicate to people who writes them Keith Ah I'm I'm trying to gradually ah alienate our audience and turn your turn you gay simultaneously.
  • [00:23] Keith: Ah, yeah I would say they are pretty aggressively anti-woke which could be dangerous in this day and age.
  • [00:31] Mike: Not to me ah look I mean we don't generate any revenue on this show. We don't have advertisers. We have a significant number of listeners but not enough that like somebody's going to come track us down or I don't even know what people would do and I don't really care. So.
  • [00:47] Keith: Fair enough and I'm not sure we actually have now. Maybe we have said some things that could be cancelable. Not sure I don't know how it works. It's sort of arbitrary.
  • [00:59] Mike: Yeah, that's right, mostly most look mostly I think that culture is around making examples of people. The most recent example is their attempts with Dave chappelle and um this you know.
  • [01:07] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [01:15] Mike: Nobody's going to make examples of us because nobody cares. So it's perfect like we don't care. They don't care the ideal mix.
  • [01:18] Keith: Yeah, yeah, we're uncanceable and some sort of. Yeah yeah, we're not, We're not worth canceling So we're we're we're safe for now. So all right before we get into it.
  • [01:29] Mike: That's right.
  • [01:34] Keith: I'd like to let our listeners know that you may email us at Y M Mv Pod at Gmail Dot Com If You're so inclined and you should be because we pay fifteen dollars for any feedback we receive there. We Also endeavor to respond to everything we get in that Inbox. So if you have any questions for the show or even private questions. We're here for you. Um. You said you had something you wanted to bring up at the beginning mike.
  • [01:56] Mike: Yeah I was talking to a female friend and this so this is something that I I think is more um, common than well look if you talk to if you talk to somebody like a lot of women and I mean if you a lot of more Whatever woke, whatever you want to call it women or if you just get on something like the sex subvereddit you you wind up talking to women that have like what I would view as a an unusual, not not not the ah the kind of incumbent way of looking at the world that women typically have when they. Have not been exposed to a lot of kind of different stuff and also I think there's a selection bias like people who are women who were going to participate in the sex sub but it may be different from your sort of average woman whereas I'm not so sure that's so true for a man like the vast majority of men enjoy porn you know are looking for sort of sexual gratification in various places. Anyway. So this is a woman who's in my view more representative of kind of the midpoint of the curve of women and I was talking to her and she was expressing kind of frustration about the fact that ah you know men have these behaviors that are kind of like. You know you could term them as sort of rapy or just wanting to have sex all the time you know focusing on the physical, not sort of caring as much about the emotional aspects not wanting to be friends, you know and and this has you know she's a attract attractive young woman and so this has like negative ramifications in her life the obvious ones of like getting. Everything from getting cat called to like one night stands to guys sort of treating her badly or her friends and so forth and so in order to like I was I saw what I did is I prepared myself. We had another conversation a few days later and I prepared myself I got some ammo because I didn't want to just like come off as like some sort of total curmudgeon.
  • [03:34] Keith: Okay.
  • [03:49] Mike: And so I got some data about like you know the the way that tinder likes are distributed showing that ah you know men are sort of much more equal opportunity whereas women tend to concentrate their likes among say say the top twenty percent of attractiveness or whatever they're profile of most attractive men to show that like there is some asymmetry there. Um.
  • [04:04] Keith: And who.
  • [04:09] Mike: And then you know see some ah some other data that I collected showing like yeah I mean like men's propensity like there. There's a famous study not famous to me study that was done in the seventy s and 80 s where attractive men and attractive young men and young women went to a college campus and would proposition people the opposite gender and. Zero percentage of the zero percent of the women propositioned said yeahk I'll come have sex with you and seventy five percent of the men proposition. You know the young men propositioned by these attractive young women said yeah I'll go right now and have sex with you and like these are just gendered diconomies and so the point I was trying to make toward is like look like I mean it's obvious to to you and me keith but like the point I was trying to make is like look there are. These important gender differences and men do objectify women and further than that I was trying to make the point that like look there's nothing wrong with that because I think in her in her mindset. It's like a she has trouble believing it happens like so they think this is interesting like she has trouble and I think this is common from it.
  • [05:00] Keith: Wait hold on hold on what is what is it in that sentence believing it. You said she had trouble believing it happens.
  • [05:05] Mike: Yeah, ah the ah get sure she has trouble believing This is what I Yeah this is part of what I thought was really interesting. But I think it's common. She had trouble believing that has trouble believing that men get so much gratification just out of like naked bodies.
  • [05:24] Keith: Oh I see.
  • [05:25] Mike: Uncontextualized naked bodies people. You don't know ah that men that men truly enjoy one night stands and men do by the way in many you know in most cases that men. Ah you know yeah, all these behaviors that are associated with maleness I think historically traditionally.
  • [05:33] Keith: Yeah.
  • [05:44] Mike: And then the other thing is um, she ah because she has trouble believing that she you know she her her worldview is like oh you know men and women should try and should strive to behave the same which is to treat each other like you know to want to have a friendship have a relationship.. Basically she wants men to move over to being more. Female like and I was having difficulty sort of helping her see the way I look at the world which is that like men and women behave pretty differently but the sort of conflict between those ways of behaving winds up being adaptive in the sense that like you wind up in a reasonable place because men have to you know, modulate their behaviors and so do women. And you wind up in a relationship that's sort of compelling I don't know is there anything in there compelling to you keep.
  • [06:27] Keith: Yeah I think well. Okay I think it's interesting to think about whose general experiences quote unquote worse her take seems to be that the oppressiveness of the male gaze and. The sort of sophomoric and sex focused approach of of men's ah the desire that she feels for men is tiresome that that's her that was her general complaint. There.
  • [07:01] Mike: Yeah, and she also doesn't and this is important. She doesn't believe she has difficulty believing. Also I should point out that like she has a sister no brother. She grew up in a single parent household with a mom So like not a lot of male influences as a young woman or as a a girl.
  • [07:04] Keith: Yeah, right. Sure sure sure Yeah, the male experience is a little bit alien to her more so than usual.
  • [07:18] Mike: Yeah, like she she genuinely and like we didn't get into it that much but like and also it's like I mean at some level you're you're talking to somebody who's a friend but not like a sex partner or something so I didn't want to be like look ah listen to the listen to the Y M M V Podcast we're all just beaten off all the time like I didn't want to say things like that but like she I think she genuinely has difficulty believing. She thinks that may maybe putting putting words in her mouth like she may think that like something bad has happened to all these men that make them behave in this way or or that it's just like male dominance like like it's some. It's some ah result of you know? um. Male oppression or men you know men kind of controlling too much or so much of of what goes on in the world and then men are just like oh you know because of that men are like oh well women are nothing. We're gonna belittle them and I was trying to persuade her that no I I think that's got you have it backward like in any situation men would behave like this in in or in almost any situation in almost any. Boy growing up is going to start becoming interested in Porn just hormonally.
  • [08:16] Keith: Yeah I think the male experience has some downsides to it too like my daily experience is 1 of essentially constant micro rejections from women. You know you just walk down the Street. You take the 200 milliseconds or whatever it takes to evaluate. Sexual currency on every woman you pass and most of them don't even make eye contact now I think they're sort of adapted to not making eye contact because anytime they they do. They risk the dude like doing something sort of annoying or grows and so yeah, the male experience is 1 of like constant rejection and the 1 and the female experience is 1 of like constant on 1 ne-end advances and yeah, there's some sort of compromise in the middle there but neither experience is great. But yeah I mean I think I think you're right, which is that the yeah, the the current setup and the current compromises that. I guess we call relationships are are basically yeah, they're adaptive. They're sort of ideal given the preconditions.
  • [09:21] Mike: Let me ask you this So I was I was thinking about it later and just as she has difficulty kind of believing on some level that like there's you know, fifty percent of humanity who just want or whatever maybe not super young and super old people. But you know. Men in a certain age range the great bulk of men that just really want to look at pussies that want to you know they just like have these extreme like extreme constant Purian interests in the same way I was I was reflecting on it and like it's hard for me to believe and maybe this is true for you too. It's hard for me to believe as a man.
  • [09:46] Keith: Bright.
  • [09:52] Keith: Um.
  • [10:00] Mike: It's hard for me to understand how women don't have that like to me, it's like so completely a part of like the human condition for me that I'm like how do you? How do you go go through life without just constant like sexual pleasure seeking. It's very hard for me to understand that.
  • [10:02] Keith: Well.
  • [10:13] Keith: I don't know if hard to understand is the right word. It's it's a little difficult to relate but I'm over 40 years old so I completely I mean my observations throughout life is that there's something profoundly different going on between the desires that that men have and women have like. Their experience is obviously very different from mine I don't yeah maybe yeah I mean I guess we're just discussing vocabulary here. It's whether I can understand it or not is different from whether I acknowledge it exists. Ah. So I yeah I do acknowledge it exists but I don't know I mean life would just feel completely different if I wasn't thinking with my penis eighty seven percent of the time.
  • [10:58] Mike: Let me ask you this too Keith So I was chatting with 1 of our former guests who is a ah reliable Listener. So I know she'll hear this and she told me that because I was trying to I was trying to come up with scenarios where she could come back on the podcast and and and and. Totate us and and um, she she was saying you know? Well maybe I prompted her and and it was like look you know it's very difficult for her to find her own body sexual. You know like she yeah, it's just like kind of and I and I noticed this while watching cam girls too like. Ah, amuses me when I see it because when there's a solo girl on some of them are Incredible. There was a cam girl I saw recently actually that I thought was top notch in terms of like really so really doing a good job simulating like that She was excited and stuff in the moment. It's It's really hard to do that actually and ah.
  • [11:45] Keith: Oh man help help a brother out next time and send me the link.
  • [11:52] Mike: It was pretty late. Although although importantly, importantly for people listeners I Guess the overwhelming majority Male listener base here. Ah if if you if you like a camgirl and you search her username.
  • [11:54] Keith: Um.
  • [12:09] Mike: Ah, you can always like they're these sites that basically record their cam shows. So this 1 probably wouldn't be attractive enough for you keith so I would be a little bit embarrassed. She was pretty attractive and she said that she'd been a stripper but maybe not quite at your level. Anyway, she genuine she.
  • [12:10] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • [12:18] Keith: Okay, but it was it was her acting that that that drew you in.
  • [12:26] Mike: Really genuinely seemed to be having a good time and like not fishing for tips. It was really unusual like it's almost always like cam girlss are just like trying to get money. They're like oh if you spin the big wheel and I'll stick this thing up my butt or whatever. It's just it's kind of boring because it's like very, it's so like a robotic. But anyway 1 of the common things you see with camera rolls is like they just you know like.
  • [12:30] Keith: Okay.
  • [12:35] Keith: Right? right.
  • [12:46] Mike: Yeah there's this dichotomy again like I'm looking at the woman and I'm like god damn like you got those big Boobies. You got that the vagina get that butt and to me it's really compelling but to her. It's totally uncompellling. So anyway, we were I was discussing this as a former guest. It's like oh well's it's hard and then she was trying to persuade us to masturbate in front of her me and I was like that's that's nobody wants. That's. That's impossible. So it's not happening but um, ah, but like then I was thinking about it like is this true for men too. But like it's really difficult or impossible to sexualize yourself like it is for women. Yes.
  • [13:17] Keith: Do you ever or have you ever masturbated in front of a mirror.
  • [13:25] Mike: But look yeah pretty much anything like that I've done like I've videoed I videoed I've videoed things. Yeah I've done various curiosity things like that. Sure.
  • [13:33] Keith: Did you find being in front of a mirror was additive subtractive or sort of neutral to the experience.
  • [13:41] Mike: The negative to it to anything recording yourself and people can do this on their so cell phone. You know easily is your eyes are just so dead like you're just staring because you know you're looking at whatever content you're looking at it's your eye. So this kind of weird I don't I don't like that part.
  • [13:57] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • [14:01] Mike: I Guess for a woman. She'd probably be more likely to have her eyes closed. So Then that's but then you course can't I guess you can record it and watch it back later? Um, but like but generally I think I think that maybe this is unusual for me. But I think that generally I do find my own like cock arousing a little bit like I can I see I see it's yeah. Have like the maleness right? It's like my arousal is compelling to me and like oh like this is sort of fun and like my own body can be arousing to me.
  • [14:22] Keith: Um, yeah I sort of find the same you know sometimes I'll be masturbating. Normally it's like maybe I'm in a hotel and hotels seem to have mirrors all over the place to try to create more space in the tiny rooms I think and yeah sort of. See myself and yeah can be mildly arousing and then I get sort of embarrassed and might avoid looking at myself because it feels strange or uncomfortable or something.
  • [14:54] Mike: Yeah, you don't want to you don't you have to say no homo the ah yeah, like 1 time. Ah I remember 1 time sort of recently I was in the position I was seated not standing like he ah and there happened to be like something wasn't a mirror but something that was reflective enough to my left.
  • [14:57] Keith: Right? yeah.
  • [15:12] Mike: And I looked at it and I could see my seated body. Not perfectly because it was a little fuzzy because it was not a mirror with my cock sticking out in my hand on it and I found that actually very arousing. It was like whoa like that's because it was just so like it was that horizontal view where the cock is like really pointing out.
  • [15:27] Keith: Yeah.
  • [15:29] Mike: But was like the head on. It's like you can't see the size of it as much but I yeah like we I think we were talking about this like last within the last couple weeks about how like other men's erect cocks are like bigger than you think they are or something like when you see them. You're like surprised because I usually.
  • [15:41] Keith: Yeah, they're more more ah more oppressive than they may seem at at.
  • [15:46] Mike: So then I did that to myself I was like damn now I mean this doesn't mean I want to play with other men's penises I don't think but but yeah like I yeah.
  • [15:50] Keith: Yeah, yeah, it's not.. It's Weird. It's I'm not I'm not so aroused by it but like every time I masturbate I Want to do it in front of a mirror. It's not.. It's. Yeah, it's a little hard to explain I Guess it's.
  • [16:06] Mike: Let let ask you this though? Keith like let's say that like the gender let's say there was a so let's say you were a well a we're fairly well-known sexually person porn star like some some kind of a male like but enough of a female following that was compelling and let's say. Your followers wanted to do like a paid cam show where you would do stuff would it be hard for you like would you have the same problem that this former guest had of like it just would yeah you would be so unarousing like you and honestly like cam girls have too like do you think it would be easy for you to kind of like you know, put on a show for them or do you think it would just be like you just be like this isn't. Is really hard to do.
  • [16:44] Keith: Ah, well I think there's 2 different questions there. The first is whether I can believe that you know my physicality is attractive to others.
  • [16:55] Mike: Yeah, let's set that aside, let's assume that these are women who have paid good money to watch you do this show So you see say yeah, it's like yeah so you can leave the gender stereotypes in place but just say like look for whatever reason these are women that are like better get horny watching you and that is a thing like there are you know that's a thing.
  • [16:59] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [17:13] Mike: So that you know you found the hundred women that really want to watch you do sexual things. So what's the second thing.
  • [17:15] Keith: sure sure I don't know I think I would I the second thing is like whether you can put on a show whether you can perform.
  • [17:25] Mike: Um, oh you're worried about not getting an erection.
  • [17:27] Keith: No, no, no I'm worried about like how do you do? Ah you know a sexy camera dances as strip teas.
  • [17:38] Mike: Okay, so maybe men and women are in the same situation there like yes, the women feel equivalently kind of silly you know, sticking things up their butts or whatever. Oh of course. Yeah.
  • [17:45] Keith: Have you been? Um, you've been to a strip club surely have we been to a strip club together. No, we haven't ah there are There's quite a lot of variance in the and the. Performance of the women like some of them like really seem like they were born to do it and some just really feel awkward and you sort of feel bad for them while they're doing their their pole dance and yeah I I find that uncomfortable.
  • [18:11] Mike: Um, I mean normally yeah normally I the thing that yeah, they don't they it's like they avoid eye contact with the audio. It's not totally true. The normal the most common stripper is the 1 that sort of is looking a foot above. Everybody's head.
  • [18:27] Keith: Right.
  • [18:29] Mike: Kind of a glazed look maybe on some drug and is just like going through this like routine. Yeah, and and it's just tough and like your thought in your head is like how long how long do you have to do this for and then they come around afterward and want to give you a lap dance which is.
  • [18:31] Keith: Yeah.
  • [18:41] Keith: Right? Because you're supposed to have been so overwhelmed by that sexy performance on the stage.
  • [18:46] Mike: Some people are some people I mean yeah, some people love that stuff? Yeah, but ah, okay, so so so so so we so both men and women then maybe would feel. It's in fact, in fact I could see it being harder. So while.
  • [18:51] Keith: Yeah.
  • [19:02] Mike: While perhaps we find ourselves you know on the sex separate that there are women that come on and say oh I look at myself in the or nude photos myself and I get turned on. So maybe it's equal. Maybe it's just the same.
  • [19:10] Keith: Yeah, they they have incentive to say that even if that's not the case though.
  • [19:16] Mike: I Still think it would be compelling to have a woman do some you know radio sex acts on on the podcast though. Yeah.
  • [19:24] Keith: On the show. Yeah, okay, we can. We can start exploring that again I think we had a couple candidates that like might have worked out and but we we let those leads dry up. Yeah, so we're twenty minutes in here but I don't have a porn today but I have another subreddit.
  • [19:36] Mike: That's stuff and stuff.
  • [19:43] Keith: I Would like to run by you and I'm not I'm not sure if you've seen it before it's called forty Forty Five fifty five have you seen this sub.
  • [19:52] Mike: I've not seen it before. Do you want me to go there and so how do you spell it first or or I'll put it in the show notes. But so our listeners can get to it.
  • [19:57] Keith: Yeah, it's it's the words 100 so f o r t y f I v e f I f t y f I v e.
  • [20:06] Mike: Yeah, the important thing there is that the word forty oddly doesn't have a you and people need to remember that. Okay, this is I've gotten there and I'm I'm on I'm on hot right now I haven't gone to top yet I Assume you want me to go to top. But I'm looking at the women these these appear to be.
  • [20:11] Keith: Yeah.
  • [20:24] Mike: Maybe you want to review it. But I mean like across the top Reddit shows like maybe the most popular some kind of a um picture collage these appear to be all women who are very thin and have breast implants.
  • [20:34] Keith: This first 1 kalin for sure are you are you seeing kalin as well. It's said that she has like ah what is it called when you put something over the image. So someone can't steal it.
  • [20:40] Mike: How do you know? her name is kalin.
  • [20:49] Mike: Um, I'll oh I see what you're yeah okay, go on. Yeah you you think she is or is not okay.
  • [20:51] Keith: Ah, watermark She she has a watermark. Ah yeah I would I would I think those are fig. Ah, but okay, all right, Let me let me intro the subreddit. So Um I guess somebody did some sort of study. And breasts that have a natural shape and an upper to lower ratio. So This means above the nipple and below the nipple of forty five to 55 is the most attractive so in this setup the nipples appear to be pointing slightly upward and. Yeah, this this subreddit claims that the beckoning breast is unanimously endorsed as the most attractive irrespective of age gender culture or race proving. It's not about size. It's about shape I think there still is a size component here. The ratio wouldn't really matter unless there's a certain amount of Mass. And do you agree with the premise of of the science behind this this subreddit.
  • [21:55] Mike: I do not I think that um first of all I mean yeah I would I would recommend people ah go to the top links from all time I mean that's that's that's good also because then we can have like a same the same data set to be talking about because the the top links from all time are unlikely to change quickly.
  • [22:00] Keith: Whoa Hot take.
  • [22:09] Keith: Sure sure.
  • [22:15] Mike: So for example, the absolute top link of all time which as of this recording has nine thousand nine hundred forty seven upfotes. Maybe I'll give it an extra 1 ah is ah I mean like so my issue here is like these are.
  • [22:24] Keith: How magnanimous.
  • [22:32] Mike: Just so obviously breast implants that it looks like um, it honestly looks like a prosthesis to me and I think that the nipple position like plays a role in that it's just so unrealistic like I don't I mean I'm not sure I've ever in persons I don't think natural breasts. Come this way. Do they.
  • [22:52] Keith: Okay, just to make sure we're normalized here that this lady has blue panties.
  • [23:01] Mike: That's right I mean it's the top. Yeah, it's in her and the the title was ah I I was told to post in here. Although I'm not sure about the math forty five fifty five question Mark. Yeah, so do you think these are real.
  • [23:06] Keith: Yes, yes, that's she's short This picture's tough I'm I'm I'm going in I'm I'm I'm getting the full the full version of it here. It's I don't know if it's airbrushed or if they.
  • [23:21] Mike: So I'm assuming that you're.
  • [23:25] Keith: Cameras in low light, but it's not high enough resolution. Okay I don't see a scar but it it could be. It could be I know I know there are ways to to do implants that that don't Scar and there could be a scar tuck well looks like she used to have a piercing.
  • [23:30] Mike: Ah, you know that they can you know.
  • [23:37] Mike: Take a look at her belly button. Yeah, well they can go up through your belly button.
  • [23:44] Keith: And it is not currently what how do they feed a silicon bag up through your belly button. That's sorry sali. Yeah.
  • [23:51] Mike: I think sailline right? So then they they put it in. Ah yeah, they put it in deflated and then they ah they infl look I'm not a surgeon but I do feel like I've read that that is 1 of the possible entry ports.
  • [24:06] Keith: Whoa is that more expensive because there's some inherent risk they got to like get it past your guts before it gets up into your behind.
  • [24:11] Mike: We'd have to do some research I don't know that there'd be more risk I mean it's just no, no no because you would just you would just be under the skin like there's the abdominal muscle wall and stuff like I think you would sort of slide in that way I mean look okay Keith these are definitely breasts.
  • [24:23] Keith: Jesus.
  • [24:29] Mike: But come on. There's no this is like yeah this this is like like if people think these are real like have you have you ever in light in real life scene breasts that look like have you ever like you've touched a lot of pairs of breast teeth like you you ever touched a pair that remotely looked like this that were real.
  • [24:42] Keith: Yes, but they were yeah but they were fake right? Yeah sorry I started answering before you before you added the final caveat. Yeah, so no, ah.
  • [24:46] Mike: Know it? yeah that we're real. Yeah right? I mean if they're they're fake then fine. Yeah, it's just not like that's that's not like this isn't how bodies work.
  • [24:56] Keith: Okay, let let me ask you this? Okay, you say definitely what percentage chance would you ascribe to these being fake. No Mike come on.
  • [25:00] Mike: Yeah, yeah.
  • [25:06] Mike: Nine hundred. There's no chance. These are for a real.
  • [25:12] Keith: You you would you would you would accept a 100 to 1 bet. Wow yeah, okay, right.
  • [25:15] Mike: Yeah I mean if you're going to say ten thousand or a million to 1 no because like I don't that's crazy but like a Hundred to 1 like yeah like ten dollars versus a thousand dollars. Yeah I would take the ten dollars because there's no chances are real. Yeah I mean so okay, so so I guess I guess I'm sure from.
  • [25:26] Keith: Ah I think these are extremely likely to be fake I think I'm like twenty to 1 No I don't I don't know if i'm.
  • [25:33] Mike: Yeah I mean okay it would I think the only question there is what ah bet ratio. You need to to basically say it's a basically hundred of course nothing in life is 1 hundred. So maybe I mean ninety nine point 5 or something like like the the chance that they're real is so small that it's not worth discussing.
  • [25:45] Keith: Right? right? right? right? Okay, so that would be 1 in 200 yeah Yeah okay yep, we're looking at the same gal.
  • [25:53] Mike: I mean we could take another 1 like this the second link this lady it's the title is first time posting here. Do I call do mine qualify. Okay, and she's yeah, she's pulling up her shirt and she has also blue underwear that she's pulled down these ah could well be real. Yeah.
  • [26:06] Keith: Um.
  • [26:11] Mike: I Mean this is this is much more believable I don't know they could be fake too but this is much more reasonable. Yeah.
  • [26:12] Keith: Um, yeah yeah I agree although her ratio is not really like these ones aren't really pointing that up like I I reject that she has a 100 ratio now we're seeing these head On. And so you can't tell for sure. But.
  • [26:33] Mike: Don't you find in this picture Keith that your eye is drawn I mean my eye is completely drawn to Ak crotch.
  • [26:37] Keith: Yeah, well she her panties are pulled down and it is very smooth down there and yes I Yeah, that's a good sub. Yeah I am.
  • [26:45] Mike: This reminds me of that subreddit. Ah god pussy or something. Do you familiar with that 1 I think it's just funny mostly. But okay.
  • [26:56] Keith: Yeah, for the uninitiated. It's a subreddit that is just usually close up picks of almost always shaved vaginas.
  • [27:07] Mike: So what? what is what? Why are you bringing this to our attention like what do you masturbate watching looking at this.
  • [27:12] Keith: No I just think well okay, all right, let's let's let's let's just establish 2 things I think the third pick those must be fake says you guys like my previous photo here's another 1 Oh it's the same girl from the first post. Wow yeah, she really gets a lot of upvotes.
  • [27:26] Mike: Um, yeah I mean I mean you know here it's there look yeah I mean you can almost see in this third picture and we'll put links to these 3 photos at a minimum ah in the show notes.
  • [27:30] Keith: Yeah.
  • [27:45] Mike: I feel like I can see some shading in this 1 from where like the implant bag is on her right breast if you're looking at it's on the left like it's a little misshapen. Yeah, yeah, so I mean it's you know it is what it is like but it it is kind of obvious to me.
  • [27:50] Keith: I so um, in the third 1 yes I do as well I see as well. Yeah.
  • [28:01] Mike: Now I mean you know why do we? We don't need to moralize about this. It's more of a personal preference thing like there are men who personally like breast implants I do not.
  • [28:10] Keith: Do you see someone anyone in like the top 20 here have been scrolling a bit that seems like their breasts may be real and who have this ratio.
  • [28:22] Mike: Um, it's tough I mean the ah sorry the um, let's see 1 2 3 four five sixth highest picture I'll put this 1 in the show notes as well has is a woman with where white underwear On. And her nipples appear to be I wouldn't She's not 100. She's like 1090 her nipples are pointing straight up I don't in fact, I'll say here's what I'll say about that are you on that 1 too. So The thing I would say about this 1 is that like I don't.
  • [28:49] Keith: Yeah, those are those are fake. Ah those are obvious. Yeah, those are obviously fair.
  • [28:58] Mike: This 1 actually I have more doubt about because I don't think a doctor would want to produce this outcome right? This outcome is so like comical or like evolution like so you know or nature so like makes me wonder like this. This actually is so misshapen that I think well maybe.
  • [29:02] Keith: This This could only be done by an incompetent and incompetent surgeon.
  • [29:17] Mike: Maybe this is actually nature on the other hand. Maybe this is just that first woman again it is it is so somehow she's able to adopt a pose where her name. Maybe maybe she she can manipulate the implant inside of her chest to change the position of her.
  • [29:20] Keith: Yeah, it could be ah.
  • [29:34] Keith: Wow, Just just to suit to whatever Bow she's trying to seduce in that moment.
  • [29:37] Mike: Ah, her nipples. Yeah, so this I mean and actually okay so this user's username is great Moongirl and of the top all time on this almost like something like half of them are her just again and again. Yeah, maybe not half. Maybe yeah, maybe maybe half if you scroll down. So.
  • [29:58] Keith: Yeah I Guess if you are into this ratio. This is your girl.
  • [30:03] Mike: Here we go. Okay, so there's a woman and again this is our fourth 1 But I'll this 1 in the show notes as well and fifth 1 rather there's a woman who is if you if you scroll to the bottom of this list and you come up and have to do this quickly so it doesn't get boring 1 2 3 four 5 the sixth 1 up from the bottom. It's ah.
  • [30:08] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [30:21] Keith: What's the caption.
  • [30:21] Mike: Your little angel minor naturally forty five fifty five. She actually it's ah it's ah it's an animated a moving video was kind of short. Are you able to find it.
  • [30:31] Keith: Um, is how do you spell? little angel is it. Oh I see it I see it I see it I see it I'm on it all right I got to.
  • [30:37] Mike: Ah, you see it? Yeah yeah, they're they're they're actually moving um and like I mean my I'm going to guess these are fake because they don't move perfectly naturally but at least it gives you a different. I Don't like this I don't like in all of these pictures. The nipple looks like it's placed too high Unnaturally high to me and I suspect This is an outcome of plastic surgery like it's ah maybe what I would consider a bad outcome of plastic surgery.
  • [31:04] Keith: Yeah I think evolutionarily nipples that point up like this may indicate youth or something like I think as as breasts begin to drop the nipple angle declines on average and so. Pointing up may have some positive value for evaluation. But I don't know if I find this compelling or not I don't know if I find this compelling or not I found this subit this morning and I just thought I'd never heard of this before.
  • [31:28] Mike: Um, is that why you find this compelling like I mean you're the 1 who like.
  • [31:43] Keith: And it's strange that all the things that women have to worry about now they have to worry about the percentage of breast mass above and below their nipple to feel insecure about.
  • [31:53] Mike: Um, yeah I don't so I don't I don't find this compelling because of any sort of youth thing I find it compelling for the most sort of I guess there were be like sociopathic reason possible which is that like there are times when I see photos videos of women. Where they look sort of ridiculous but they look ridiculous in it in it like it's like there are Theirre clothes I mean this is actually a well sort of a relatively well formed concept like a lot of what are traditionally consider women's clothes are like almost intended. Maybe maybe actually intended. To demonstrate that they don't have to do any real work like you know there's a certain set of clothes you wear if you're like you know, somebody just has to go out and dig holes or whatever and that's gonna be you know pants and a a Long-slee shirt and like some gloves and stuff mean you know and and women of course do do wear things like that and that's great.
  • [32:41] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [32:48] Mike: But when you talk about like something like a a Cotillian gown or something like that like part of what's going on. There is like hey look at me like I do nothing I'm I'm like non-functional and like like it or not I think part of the way we part of like the evolutionary mechanism that attracts men to women is like.
  • [32:56] Keith: Um.
  • [33:06] Mike: Yeah, like a woman who I mean high heels. Another example but women who have large breasts who like have just sort of you know bodies that like don't look like they're really meant for a lot of work in some ways I find that compelling like it's like and yeah and some ways like I do find that compelling. It's like that's to me that's part of what like the compellingness of large breasts like. Implies fecundity but it also implies like oh this is this is so female and female is like the opposite of like the kind of truck. That's the man like it's it's more of like an arc piece and so yeah, so like having their having their breasts like have something weird about them that makes it like just seem nonsensical in some ways like arouses me.
  • [33:35] Keith: Never.
  • [33:45] Mike: Because it's like oh look a female body a body that's not meant for like practicality. It's a body that's meant for art and so I sort of that sort of attracts me that doesn't attract you.
  • [33:45] Keith: I'd say.
  • [33:48] Keith: Right? Huh? Yeah, okay I know I mean I I I agree with that general sentiment. It's I don't know if the ratio at all matters in that context it's but that's a good.
  • [34:04] Mike: It's just like your nipples pointing in an absurd direction. It's a little. It's a little like yeah like I find it It is attractive when a porn star woman wears high heels while getting fucked like it makes no sense like why? Why is that compelling and I think it's compelling because like like this because it's just like look look at me.
  • [34:21] Keith: Right.
  • [34:21] Mike: I'm so ridiculous looking and it's like yeah that yeah, that's I mean you know that that's compelling to men men. Yeah men like to see women and in in these positions that are sort of ridiculous because it's like then we feel powerful and we feel like oh I'm gonna come and do my thing.
  • [34:30] Keith: Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah, it's easier to sexualize. Yeah, okay, all right, all right? Let's move on I have a reddit post here that I think well this will be a.
  • [34:40] Mike: Yep.
  • [34:49] Keith: May remind some of our longer listeners of of something. We've talked about in the past this person says how to tell my girlfriend. She's got toilet paper all over her vagina and ass I feel like every time I go down on her. There's a bunch of tp scraps everywhere I love going down on her but I don't want tp in my mouth. Not a 1 ne-time thing either. It happens a lot.
  • [34:56] Mike: Oh no I saw this 1
  • [35:09] Keith: We don't live together so I can't get new toilet paper l lol also not sure it is the toilet paper since it happens in my house too and I've never had this issue before also can't shower together before most of the time we both live with our parents l o l. So yeah, yeah, the number 1 comment is sounds like you have crappy toilet paper. It's either.
  • [35:22] Mike: Doubt.
  • [35:28] Keith: Tooth and or too thick and fluffy. The fluffy thicker brands leave a lot of bits behind maybe worse than the cheap stuff. Um I okay I dated someone who. Ah. Ah, in a early sexual encounter. Not our first but maybe it was our second came back to the bedroom and she had yeah some toilet paper left around her vagina and it basically gross me out to the point that I noped out of the relationship or the or the fledgling relationship. Ah, is this something that you've I mean she's this is the only person I mean I've seen it once or twice since then but this is not something I've ever seen as a pattern have you.
  • [36:12] Mike: Not really I mean but yeah I mean it's probably just some sort of weird hygiene thing akin to the standing up versus sitting down to wipe your butt. Yeah, it's like some some strange thing that ah.
  • [36:19] Keith: wiping wiping behavior what what could she be doing I have a couple theories I've I've been I've been thinking about this.
  • [36:29] Mike: Oh gosh what could she be doing. Um I mean my first thought is something around standing up while you're wiping your butt but go on what do you own to your theories.
  • [36:39] Keith: Ah, theory 1 is I think less likely but she could have labia that sort of makes it so that she gets urine all around there and. When she wipes. There's There's so much you're in that it causes the toilet paper to get wet and you know lose its structural Integrity. That's theory 1 I Don't think that's it theory 2 is well. What do you think of that theory.
  • [37:11] Mike: Um I think it's much more likely to be behavioral than like some body difference. Yeah so I'm I'm con on that theory.
  • [37:15] Keith: Okay, okay. Theory 2 is when women shave their pubic hair or get it waxed it. It comes back and there's a period ah where it feels you know their skin feels a little bit like sandpaper when they've got that that stubble coming in. That could be catching the toilet paper and and leaving some flakes. Maybe maybe she has some you know shaving Cadence it sounds like she's a a young woman here. Maybe she has some shaving cadence where it's often sort of rough and scratchy and it's catching toilet paper that way thoughts.
  • [37:56] Mike: Um, okay, 1 thing I mean I'm not sure how interesting this is. But 1 thing that I've noticed is ah if let's see if you're wiping after peeing.
  • [38:11] Keith: Zoom.
  • [38:13] Mike: So and I don't usually men don't usually do this but like occasionally like for whatever reason like I will ah try to think even why I would do this um something no underwear.
  • [38:20] Keith: Maybe maybe you're wearing Khaki pants and no underwear and you don't want any dripping.
  • [38:27] Mike: I Don't know about that. But but I don't know Anyway, it's it's happened to me where I do that and and and and there is this point of wetness the the head of your cock can be at like if it's sufficiently wet. It's just going to like be absorbed. You know it'll absorb properly the way you expect, but there's a level of wetness where instead.
  • [38:35] Keith: Are.
  • [38:45] Mike: You put some paper with some some toilet paper touching it. It dries immediately. It sort of actually it adheres to your penis and I know this the reason I know this has happened to me I'm having trouble like exactly coming up with why but I know this has happened because I've had the situation where like I then have to like rub kind of aggressively. On my cock to get the stuff off like it actually like adheres and so maybe it's simply that she's wiping Beyond the point of she's white like maybe she needs to wipe a little less because it's like it's drying too much and getting to that like point where it like sort of becomes glue and like Attaches I don't know if you've had that kind of experience. Also.
  • [39:16] Keith: Yeah, ah I don't I don't know I mean look I I've used paper towels and toilet paper before like I know that there's some sort of like bonding that occurs at like the red level of Moisture. So and I understand what you're saying. Would you find this like what level of of tolerance would you have if this was like a regular behavior from your partner.
  • [39:43] Mike: Low I mean I would have a low tolerance for this as arreular behavior I would be like look ah you need to? yeah like it's like I mean yeah although I mean honestly like yeah, not having female anatomy I don't like.
  • [39:51] Keith: You're doing something wrong.
  • [40:00] Mike: I Could imagine that this could become like a real problem like if because like with your with your penis like you can rub it kind of aggressively remove this stuff. But if if if if you kind of glued in a bunch of toilet paper up in there for a woman like what would they even do to remove it like because they're not going to want to rub I Guess the ai I guess they just have to kind of go nuts on it. You know, kind of kind of kind of work it Out. You know, put in some elbow grease seems uncomfortable.
  • [40:23] Keith: Yeah, yeah I I think this is kind of the situation where you know if you're talking to somebody. You don't know very well and they have something in your teeth and their teeth. It's uncomfortable to tell them that but it's Better. You just have to do it right? like the the. The situation demands that you do it because they're going to know you didn't tell them if you don't.
  • [40:44] Mike: There'st. There's no chance She doesn't know this because the other thing. Oh maybe she doesn't maybe there is a chance because what i' was gonna say is the other thing I've experienced before No no okay well that yet maybe okay I really hard to believe that the the thing I was gonna say is like.
  • [40:51] Keith: Um, well she might think it's normal.
  • [41:01] Mike: I've had this situation before where I didn't realize there was this thing I described a toilet paper on my cock and then like I went to pee again and I noticed it I was like oh may have to like sort of rub it off and and and and you can actually use a little bit of the pee to get it wet again.
  • [41:16] Keith: Yeah, match away. Yeah.
  • [41:18] Mike: Right? You're at the urinal So you're at a urinal and you go oh and and then and then you go wash your hands of course that's important. Yeah, but ah, but yeah, you could do that. But for a woman Maybe she wouldn't see it because like her parts are are not as visible and so you know yeah I mean like there's look this goes to like a somewhat deep seated fear like that women have. And it's totally understandable like when you go to have sex like you can go to the bathroom and quickly look at your genitals and see what's up like a woman can't do that. Not easily I mean like yeah she can go like let's say she's at your apartment like do you have a hand mirror there for her to like squat.
  • [41:47] Keith: Yeah.
  • [41:56] Mike: On the ground and put the hand mirror on the ground so she could check whether there's anything going on like so's say with you know with her butthole like for you there could be something going with your butthole but like it's unlikely to be relevant to sex. But for her, it's very likely to be relevant to sex. So like there's you know you could see this and and you see this like on the sex suburb like women kind of obsessing over.
  • [42:07] Keith: Yeah.
  • [42:15] Mike: Their level of cleanliness and I think part of that is yeah the invisibility of it.
  • [42:17] Keith: Well, that's part of my confusion here like when I go to the dentist I make sure I like floss and use mouthwash and brush my teeth before I get in there like I I Just you know maybe my mouth isn't always pristine but it it damn well is as close as it can be before I go to the dentist and so.
  • [42:32] Mike: Um, that's weird because I always go to Taco bell and have a casead idea.
  • [42:38] Keith: Ah, you eat a bunch of onions and garlic. You use a lot of words that start with age. Yeah, ah, okay, great. Ah yeah so I mean I just I would expect that women would ah try to be careful.
  • [42:40] Mike: Yeah, hell yeah, get like have some fire some fire sauce. Yeah.
  • [42:57] Keith: Work more careful with this kind of thing. But maybe she doesn't know like yeah no I think they do. Ah yeah, maybe this 1 doesn't for some reason and like I you know I don't want to force Modesty on on people like I think women are already a bit too modest and so ah, you know I don't want I don't want to make like a huge deal out of this but ah.
  • [42:58] Mike: Look they do.
  • [43:17] Keith: Yeah, it's not normal to have flakes of toilet paper around your genitalia. That's my that's my psa. Okay, all right? We're going to move on here. We'll go ahead.
  • [43:24] Mike: Yeah, can yeah can I keith can I ah read there's 1 that I starred a thing out of the sex of I don't know if it's on your list or not but I wanted to read it I don't know if we have to discuss it very much but I wanted to get your reaction if I could if I could read 1 all right.
  • [43:33] Keith: Oh.
  • [43:38] Keith: Okay, I'm here.
  • [43:43] Mike: Real quick real quick. Okay, the title is I ate his ass is that on your list. Okay, it ah it got removed So I'll put the link to the the removed like revedit dot Com removed. It doesn't work anymore. It's rev Rev edit is is what I got Yeah okay.
  • [43:47] Keith: Tell now removed it? Yeah, really interesting.
  • [44:03] Mike: So it's a woman speaking because I well it is a woman. It's not homosexual. It's a woman. Okay I don't know who I can tell about this. But oh my god I have this casual thing going on with a guy friend and his ex-wife apparently ate his ass 1 time and when they were drunk and he loved it. He liked it. He always told me he never wanted or expected that but I was drinking and wanted to stimulate his prostate. So I put a finger in this gets really gross then eventually started tongueing him so she put her finger in then eventually started tongueing him and got him on his Knees. He was moaning like crazy and I was licking his ass to his balls. My face was covered in flavored Lube very important sorry I have to say this without gagging in parenthees she says very important. It covers any smell or taste that might be lingering and in parentheses.
  • [44:38] Keith: Of.
  • [44:46] Keith: Oh like.
  • [44:51] Mike: I hate lu or saliva touching my face but I was so into it. It was such a cool experience and I just had to share and then she just got a bunch of like replies you knows for well 1 person said there shouldn't be any nasty smells or tastes if he's clean so flavor loop isn't important so any any reactions.
  • [45:04] Keith: I disagree I I disagree on this. Okay I think it is harder for men to keep their assholes pristinely clean than it is for women right? like men have more hair women can have hair but they have less and and lots of them use.
  • [45:10] Mike: Yeah, so.
  • [45:16] Mike: 2
  • [45:23] Keith: Various techniques to remove the hair Anyway, I think men are less likely to be assiduous ah in their cleaning of their assholes I think men I mean she even says it right? You need like some sort of mask to mask the.
  • [45:32] Mike: Oh.
  • [45:42] Keith: The the foulness of of that area and I don't It's hard I've had women ask to eat my ass before and and I have so far declined but it's mostly because like I Just. Don't want to impose my asshole on anyone like that just sounds fucking awful.
  • [46:05] Mike: Yeah, well the notion of ah you of covering of I mean this is very similar to that thing of like ah what is it you cover it with Jelly or something I there's some there's some like comedy routine where it's like ah yeah I can't remember the details. But yeah I mean like it's not it's it's it's the the notion the notion that your solution to it being gross is to put flavored lube on it. That's not the point of flavored flavored lobe the point of flavored lobe. First of all I I find flavored lo the notion disgusting but the point of it is you put you is just to avoid the flavor of like unflavored lobe right? I mean.
  • [46:42] Keith: A ends chemically? yeah.
  • [46:43] Mike: You know the notion like well if this gets in my mouth. It won't taste like like oil or whatever the point is not to use it as like some sort of weird Butthole deodorant ah is disgusting and also like notice that like she her claim is that she licked it after she was doing prostate stuff. So then.
  • [46:53] Keith: Ah, right, right? right.
  • [47:01] Mike: So this is terrible like I mean so you imagine if you're with a woman and she's like she lobs up your this. Yes, it's like ah a horror movie. She lubs it up. She puts her fingers in there and then she starts liking it like oh my god.
  • [47:07] Keith: I Mean right? Yeah, she goes in and like forensically pulls literal shit out and then you know starts getting in there with her mouth like look. Sexual contact between people is just kind of gross. We. We have our discussed mechanism and reactions. Those are greatly suppressed during sex. Um I Find many things hot and attractive during sex that I I wouldn't in an in a non-aroused state. But yeah, the the hump Of. Um, my asshole being involved in in sexual engagements is is not 1 that I've that I've summited yet.
  • [47:52] Mike: Yeah, the ah the just so our listeners know the comedy thing I was looking for is calling it tossing the salad and it's from a Chris Rock Comedy special. That's what I was looking for there and that you put some jelly on it and I always found that pretty gross.
  • [48:02] Keith: Okay.
  • [48:09] Mike: Anyway I just wanted to get your reaction to that when you can carry on with the with the regularly scheduled topics.
  • [48:14] Keith: Ah, yeah, that's I mean you you knew that I would find that horrifying. Okay, well um, ah her writing ability is yeah the the amount of Disgust per word is is very high there she should.
  • [48:19] Mike: It was surprisingly gross. Yeah.
  • [48:32] Mike: That that's true.
  • [48:34] Keith: Proud this person says found a condom inside me 1 day later but he pulled out well shit never thought this would happen to me but I've been seeing this guy for a few months now and we had sex 1 point five days ago in the moment I asked if he pulled out and he told me yes, fast forward the following day. Ah, at nighttime. Guess that's 1 point five days later I take a shower and see the condom slipping out of me I'm in shock it's morning time now and I'm wondering if I should go by the pill or wait out my period which is supposed to come in the next four to five days I don't want to comment on that. Um I'm annoyed. He didn't notice that he didn't throw away a condom after. Yeah I mean that's that's the issue here I'm going to tell him this but I'm kind of disappointed. He didn't know to hold the base when pulling out is this ever happened to anyone else. Ah.
  • [49:21] Mike: Um I had something like this happen but go on. Yeah.
  • [49:25] Keith: Number 1 comment had a friend where this happened to her but she didn't find out find it the next guy did that's good.
  • [49:32] Mike: She the ah the condom The condom was on the baby's forehead when it was born.
  • [49:35] Keith: Ah, yeah, okay, first off, um, yeah when when he pulled his cock out and there was no condom on it. He knew he just didn't say anything that is basically unforgivable unless I mean it's unforgivable in any circumstance. But. And if it's like a very early like you know if they're seventeen and you know it's the first time they were ever having sex and like he didn't really know what the etiquette and whatever is then then like maybe that's like a mildly mitigating factor. But yeah, like if you don't know where the condom is you've you've messed up. I don't understand but and that's I mean bit that that's been talked about ad Nauseum. What? Ah how do women not feel when there are various items inside their vaginas. So. There's there's the famous I'm going to say this and and there's the famous jolly rancher story. There's various stories I'm sorry mike yeah that our listeners can't see but he's wincing for those who don't know I I Strongly recommend not googling it. Um and then yeah I mean you read things on the sex sub subreddit with with some regularity about condoms like. Being stuck up there for like amounts of time that aren't counted in seconds and I don't understand like what what's going on inside vaginas that you can't feel foreign objects.
  • [51:02] Mike: Well I mean so a couple things ah um I yeah I have some experience in this area but I'll answer your question first. Um, if I put a condom up your butthole like into your colon. Or whatever you know, kind of far enough that like it wasn't ah sticking out your anus or touching your anal Sphincter. You would not be able to feel it. Yeah I mean like you can feel it poop because it's yes, definitely definitely true. Yeah, no you you can feel like fullness but you cannot feel like some.
  • [51:24] Keith: I said I see where you're going is that is that true.
  • [51:40] Mike: You know? Yeah yeah, like there's no, there's no actual ah sensory feel. It's you know I mean like yeah I mean.
  • [51:46] Keith: Okay, maybe that's a good analogy. Maybe that's a good analogy but like let let me let me hit you with hit you with another 1 Okay, if there was a condom in your mouth. You can feel it. Okay, what if there's a condom in your armpit. You could feel that right.
  • [51:59] Mike: Yeah I mean your Ex Yeah, but if if there was a condom in your pancreas. You couldn't right? It's like it's like there. There're organs that are like more and less necessary to have like so sensory neurons in and like there's no benefit. Yeah, and it's totally yeah, measurable.
  • [52:07] Keith: Okay, fine nerve endings. Yeah okay, fine. So Then why does why does? Ah why does. Okay, why does size matter at all if women can't like basically determine if there's like even an object inside their vagina.
  • [52:30] Mike: Sure 2 reasons and these will both bum you out as a smaller man. Um, sorry modest modest sized um number 1 is Girth matters because like. You know you you will I mean use like your like let's yeah, use your anus as an example like you can feel the difference between like a you know narrow thing and a wide thing going through your anus like that you you would feel that I mean you you know that from pooping so there's that and so like that would change like you know the sensations produced. And then also like if you bottom out and get all the way to the end of the vagina you're going to sort of like and you can do this with your fingers if not your cock. You're going to get to the point where you ah like actually kind of stretch something there and like that's something that's a fullness thing you will will have a senseen for it. Also like your your.
  • [53:13] Keith: Ah.
  • [53:26] Mike: Guess 3 things. The third thing is like there is there are like fullness sensors right? like you you can feel when your rectum is full. You need to go to the bathroom and similarly like a woman can feel when her vagina is full. It's just she's not going to feel like the exact details of what's going on and she's certainly not going to feel a condom and by the way. Ah, the whole point of like tampons is you don't feel it right. Women wouldn't use them if you were like oh yeah, I feel that weird thing like that's like 1 of the signs that like you're doing it wrong is if you feel it right.
  • [53:44] Keith: Right.
  • [53:53] Keith: That's a good point. That's a good point.
  • [53:55] Mike: So that so that gives you an idea of the size and and frankly like something bigger than that I think you wouldn't feel it unless it was sort of moving. There is obviously a size where you would feel it where you'd be like oh there's something going on here but you know and yeah, yeah, 2 things 1 I personally knew a.
  • [54:02] Keith: Okay, you mentioned you mentioned you had some personal relevant experience here.
  • [54:14] Mike: Woman a yeah young woman who had was in a relationship with an actually significantly older man who forgave him after this happened because he claimed that he couldn't tell that ah the condom had broken. He was definitely lying. She did not believe me he was lying. Every man knows that he was lying and this is 1 of those things like women don't she believed him and it's just like now he definitely knew the condom broke like it. It gets a lot more pleasurable particularly like if if you if you have a session with a condom and then 3 days later you have a session without a condom. You might be like a little unclear. If you have a session with a condom and and then take the condom off in the middle. It's really obvious or if the condom rips and I know this partly because of the second story which is I have had the experience as I think many men have maybe most of having a condom rip usually rips because there's not enough lubrication and so like the condom starts getting like.
  • [55:05] Keith: Yes, yeah.
  • [55:05] Mike: Yanked down on each instroke and then you're the head of your cock sort of pokes through and I had the I had the experience of having a condom break and so put another condom on but it broke in such a way that there was some of the rubber stuck left in her and yes I had this experience of her at like having the panicked you know. She thought she's like I think I'm pregnant and stuff like that and I was like no like you know? Yeah like I had to call you know we to have a conversation to calm down right? because it was like no that that's not what happened it was just that there's a piece of the broken condo but she's still like it's It's so like terrifying to a woman that like she might be pregnant.
  • [55:41] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, couple things here. Yeah I've broken a condom I have never broken a lubricated condom though. So yeah, your explanation of how condoms breaks. Yeah I've broken a condom twice in both times they were not lubricated and yeah I think it's because it gets like caught and there's some tugging.
  • [55:44] Mike: But like she was very upset.
  • [55:59] Mike: Um, yeah, well you want lubrication on the outside and not really on the inside right? You don't want it to rub against your cock because if it does.
  • [56:01] Keith: Um, that eventually breaks like the the forgiveness of the of the latex um correct.
  • [56:13] Mike: Then it's like some sort of weird tug of war between which is more lubricated the so like a way this could happen also is you have a lubricated condom and you put it on upside inside out right now you are lubricating against it. You know so so in fact, that's probably why I had that 1 break that I remember like it's probably just was that that that simple mistake you know.
  • [56:14] Keith: Right.
  • [56:21] Keith: Um, yeah, ah yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
  • [56:33] Mike: Or maybe she just wasn't that into me and there wasn't a whole lot of lubrication involved. It could be that too. Yeah as you know women don't like me that much because of my personality but go on.
  • [56:36] Keith: Yeah I mean the other thing I Ah yeah, the only other thing I wanted to mention here was there's like when I orgasm into a condom.. There's. Yeah, you need you need to like pull your cock out and you know make sure the condom comes with it and so what you do is you hold the base of the condom and and pull out there has never been a situation where I've like forgotten to do that or like forgotten that I was wearing a condom like it's just like. Something you pay attention to when you're wearing a condom and this that.
  • [57:15] Mike: Know I have I don't always hold the butt base or when I when I've used condoms I haven't always held the base because ah, ah, sometimes like sometimes it's just obvious that it's not going to come off like if your cock is still pretty hard like the the issue there is if it becomes flaccid quickly or if you.
  • [57:29] Keith: Fine, fine.
  • [57:35] Mike: And I don't like because of defects in my personality I don't like doing this. But if you like remain coupled for a long time after you have your orgass Apparently some guys like that I like to run away and and play video games immediately.
  • [57:43] Keith: Yes, Ah, Ah, yes, yeah, but yeah, fine, there's yeah I mean. When you orgasm in a condom Sometimes you know some of the semen can get on your shaft to to add some lubrication there like whatever it could slip off for whatever reasons. But I've even had the experience where like I've I've pulled out and like it slipped off but that's why I now hold it by the base. Ah, but this notion that like you might forget. And leave it on there is doesn't make any sense to me. Ah, yeah, do you have anything more to add there or shall we shall we wrap up. Okay, let's see here this 1 Ne's pretty simple, but.
  • [58:25] Mike: Now I think we did have time to do 1 more topic if you'd like.
  • [58:34] Keith: Thing is I feel like well ah we'll let's we'll see where this this goes. Um, it's it's short is pegging gay debating with a friend I don't think it's gay if it's the opposite gender which makes it totally straight. Ah.
  • [58:44] Mike: Yes.
  • [58:53] Keith: It's okay, ok what? what? Ah ok I think let but let me see if I can ape the argument that um, a straight man who really likes pegging might make.
  • [58:56] Mike: Um, the thing about this is it? Yeah I mean go go on. Yeah.
  • [59:12] Keith: He might say it's not the feelings that I like on my body that makes me gay. It's the sex of the people that I'm attracted to.
  • [59:23] Mike: You that's right and and and he be right? I mean like I was sort of kidding when I said yes I mean it I was kidding. Um, it's not what pegging is is submissive now I mean like most of the time men are dominant I mean when I say most like really most of the time. Men are more dominant and women are more submissive. Um, and so it's sort of unusual for a guy to want to be the more submissive partner. Um, but I don't think that natural I don't think that forces you to be gay I think it could make you more likely to be bisexual. But I don't yeah I mean I think it's just like you. Yeah, you want to you want to have things done to you that is what it correlates with I mean I realize there are these dudes who say that they can have like a thirty minute long orgasm via their prostate and so their butthole is the only way to real sexual bliss I think that's a um, usually a sort of sort of a justification. Just wanting to do something submissive's I mean yeah, like think about it's extremely a very submissive thing to do like and and like you're not where whereas a woman when she's being penetrated like there's ya, her organs are set up to make that pleasurable for her and I mean. To some extent I mean she can masturbate stuff and make it better and and some women claim with limited evidence that they have orgasms through penetration with no clitoral stimulation. But anyway they get pleasure out of it. Um. For a man like it's really much more limited than that I mean it's like yeah you some prostate something or rather but it's not anyway, it's it's mostly just somebody sticking a rubber thing in your body.
  • [01:01:03] Keith: I don't okay so I have not experimented with prostate plays. So I don't know what realms of pleasure lie there and Beyond. So I don't have a strong opinion about whether it could massively improve my. My sexual experiences I kind of not super eager to find out I mean what if I find out I love it. Then you're sort of stuck requiring this like submissive act or dominant participation by your by my by my partners and I don't. Don't really yeah would I would almost rather not know. But yeah I mean were were you mentioning the submissive aspect because youd think there may be some correlation between submissiveness and homosexuality.
  • [01:01:55] Mike: Um, but I mean it depends I mean like you know like anybody gay people are going to have dominant more dominant more submissive people. Um, but yeah and I yeah I actually don't know I don't know whether I don't know whether. Ah, higher percentage of men who are gay are submissive. My guess would be yes because if you have 2 really dominant men and they're gonna have sex with each other it starts getting complicated to think of like what's goingnna happen because somebody has to I guess they could beat off near each other or somebody but somebody has to There is a like sex is something that has a dominant and submissive aspect to it and so somebody would have to it so do take on that role and whereas if you have a hetero relationship. Well it's it's straightforward right? It's usually going to be almost always going to be the man dominant. The woman' submissive. But if it's gay you have to have a submissive man so it strikes me that probably. 50 percent of gay men are submissive because otherwise how would it work at least fifty percent. You know are going to be have that more aspect. Yeah.
  • [01:03:00] Keith: Yeah, yeah I mean yeah I Just don't know why I mean it doesn't seem inherently true or obviously true to me that. Prostate stimulation would imply anything about your sexuality now. Certainly there's ah, there's an enormous correlation between post prostate play and sexuality. But yeah.
  • [01:03:33] Mike: I mean the the problem with that is is that like okay yeah, look I was kind of using the guys you claim the ten minute orgasms as like a exception that proves the rule or something. It's like yeah there there are these people who say that and by the way like you can you can get some sense of that by like. Pressure on your taint and stuff like that I mean the prostate's not that deep inside your your body. Um, but but like I mean so if you want to like try to try to simulate it and get some idea of of what you're talking about there but like the reality is like most of what's going on with pegging is ah. Ah, somebody. It's yeah, it's a guy. It's somebody who wants to like be used in some way. Um there. There are better ways to process to stimulate your prostate if that's really what you're getting pleasure from I would think having ah a vibrator where the vibrating part kind of gets to the right spot.
  • [01:04:26] Keith: Yeah, yeah, it has like the little hook on it or whatever. Yeah.
  • [01:04:28] Mike: Make more sense you can angle it so it gives pressure on the prostate. Yeah, having somebody fucking your ass is not in my view primarily about this and also ah look it makes sense to me I've thought about this you know it makes sense to me that like if you're into that. Then it's It's obvious that it's going to be more compelling the emotion that you have the submissive emotion you have from getting fucked is going to go up when the person fucking you has an orgasm from it and is enjoying it like for that in that way and it's also going to go Up. It's more submissive. It is.
  • [01:05:01] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [01:05:07] Mike: If a woman it is if a woman wants to be submissive level a certain level of submission would be oh a man put a dildo or a finger in me, it is a higher level of submission to have a man spew his nut in you right? and so therefore. It makes sense to me that if that emotion is what's coming from it. So like then then it's not that it's not that you're gay but it makes sense to me that you could amp that up by trying it with a man and so it certainly makes you curious about it and what's wrong with that I you know I mean I don't you know by the way like you could have sex with a man.
  • [01:05:29] Keith: Right.
  • [01:05:40] Mike: And not be romantically attracted them. You just want to be like abused in some way like that makes sense to me like what's wrong with that other than that you have like Sti risks and stuff. But if you control for that stuff like yeah if you want to be pegged like how much better to have a real man back there nutting and and enjoying it that must really make you feel submissive right.
  • [01:05:58] Keith: Well, if you're repulsed by men that could be an issue but.
  • [01:06:04] Mike: Well, you could ah you could look you could um like I've seen porns like this you What you do here I'll tell you how you do it it Keith you construct a barrier. It's not a glory hole. It's close though, a barrier made of say drywall or it could just be sort of plastic.
  • [01:06:16] Keith: God. This is.
  • [01:06:23] Mike: And you put a hole in it. That's the size of your torso and you get on hands and knees with your body through that now you can't see his back there and it starts out as a woman and it switches to a man right? or it could just be a man the whole time like.
  • [01:06:36] Keith: All right.
  • [01:06:39] Mike: Yeah, so I mean I don't why like why do you? Why does? whether you're repulsed by a man have to matter like what you? what? you're looking for is to be dominated in fact, actually the fact that you're repulsed by him should make it more submissive right? It's like oh I'm I'm yeah I'm willing to do even that? Yeah, this makes sense to me. I Think it does make you gay I changed my mind.
  • [01:06:59] Keith: It's it's curious to imagine. Okay, if you enjoy being pegged by a woman with a plastic dildo. It's hard to imagine not being curious about taking that next step because it it seems like it would feel.
  • [01:07:13] Mike: Yeah.
  • [01:07:17] Keith: Better. Maybe both physically and emotionally so yeah I don't know slippery slope.
  • [01:07:22] Mike: I Think and by the way I think every I think everybody is curious about all these like I'm curious when you say that word're curious like it. It depends on what you mean like I think it's hard not to see it as being as as finding the next step compelling I'm curious about what it's like to have a dude fuck you.
  • [01:07:39] Keith: Well, it took until episode 50 2 for mike or forty 2 for mike to finally come out. Ah and here we are. Ah.
  • [01:07:40] Mike: But aren't you.
  • [01:07:47] Mike: Look I mean I'm curious about all kinds of things I'm curious about skydiving and ah you know I'm curious I'm curious what it would be like to be like look here I'm curious what it would like and okay there there is a whole series. This is true. There are videos. There are a whole series of videos on youtube you can look them up. Different ways of people being executed. Why do those exist they exist because people are curious about what it would be like to be boiled in oil or to 1 of the you know be stuck on like some peg. You know you know impaled that's what it is impaled. There's all these things people are curious about it now. Of course you can only be executed once.
  • [01:08:17] Keith: Right? Ah electrocuted.
  • [01:08:25] Mike: So sort of rough you can only pick it doesn't mean that you want to be executed it means they're like yeah people were curious like what what is that? like yeah, what's it. What's it like to have a guy behind you doing that to you? Yeah I'm curious I doesn't mean I want to do it I Also don't want to be boiled in oil.
  • [01:08:39] Keith: Right? right? right? Okay, all right? Okay, fine. Some interesting verbal gymnastics there. But ah what we'll let the listeners decide so that'll do it for episode forty 2 of your're mileage bay vary. Thanks for listening and we'll catch you next time.
  • [01:08:43] Mike: So there I'm not so it doesn't mean I'm get yeah maybe something else means it? Well yeah.