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Episode 46: An Effective Camgirl, Finger Sniffing, Penetration Only

Team YMMV | 12-20-2021 | 59:44

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What makes a camgirl effective? We watch part of a video that camgirls really should consume in its entirety, if they want to understand how to come across naturally on screen.

We discuss how long needs to elapse before the average man stops caring about a woman having just performed oral and swallowed -- i.e. how long until he's willing to kiss her without thinking too much about semen.

A woman claims to very much enjoy anal tonguing, which is surprising because it's not obvious what she's getting out of the experience. Even for men it's hard to understand.

And, if a woman continues to suck after you orgasm, what's that like?

To follow along with the videos discussed at the beginning of the episode:

https://ymmv.me/46/theotherdrug

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/46/finger-sniffing

https://ymmv.me/46/keep-sucking

https://ymmv.me/46/anilingus

https://ymmv.me/46/penetration-only

Episode Transcript

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  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships I am Keith my co-host is Mike what's up Mike that's encouraging I'm curious.
  • [00:09] Mike: I'm still here. Yes.
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  • [00:34] Mike: Maybe you should offer them crypt cryptocurrency instead like ah ah cardano or ah Ethereum probably I think we we don't have the highest end listener base in the world.
  • [00:42] Keith: Do you think our listeners are crypto enthusiasts.
  • [00:53] Mike: Sorry um I don't mean to apologize I don't mean to offend either our listener base or crypto enthusiasts. But it's just yeah, it is what it is guys.
  • [01:01] Keith: Ah, yeah, okay, well yeah, I mean if you mentioned your email that you want to be paid in crypto I think I can I think I can meet that need. Um I have a question and I think we might have discussed this like 20 episodes again ago. But. Um, there's a pandemic going on and lots of the time. Ah we wear Masks. We. We don't need to discuss when you should wear a mask or how or when it's appropriate but we've all had the experience of wearing a mask if I wear a mask. After I've had sex and before I've showered I can smell ah my girlfriend sort of yeah on me I mean this is a well-known thing I mean I have I have a little bit of facial hair. You know some things can sort of linger. Ah. And this got me thinking. Do you think you could recognize the smell of semen on someone else's breath.
  • [02:05] Mike: Um, I have read about this in the sex subreddit and women claim to have a very ah some women I should say claim to have a very refined ability to detect this smell. This could be that they're just trolling each other.
  • [02:22] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [02:23] Mike: You know, like ah yeah, basically making the other other women afraid that they're going to catch them and or quote unquote catch them. Um I don't think I am likely to be able to detect that odor in any reasonable way now.
  • [02:36] Keith: Um, yeah I mean when somebody goes down on me and then kisses me in some sort of short order after I can obviously tell but I mean I So I know it's there like I'm I'm I'm especially sensitive to it. And I'm not sure how long after that period of them swallowing ah that I would still be able to detect it. Do you have a feel for that.
  • [03:06] Mike: Um, what is your? what is your read I'm curious what your reaction is let's say that the woman let's let's create 3 different scenarios woman immediately emerges from her mouth around your cock and wants to kiss you.
  • [03:14] Keith: Okay, I'm here for it.
  • [03:22] Keith: Wait and she swallowed Ive orgasm and and she swallowed it in this. Okay.
  • [03:25] Mike: Woman correct correct. The second scenario is let's say five minutes have elapsed and the third scenario is let's say you know thirty minutes have elapsed like how did hell what? what is the difference in situation in each of those cases.
  • [03:38] Keith: I Mean it's tricky because I know that you know I know what they've swallowed I I feel like I'm going to be able to I'm going to be. You know, sensitive to noticing anything. That's that's out of order out out of the normal order. In in all of those timeframes. So I don't I'm certain I'm certain after minute I would detect it after five minutes I think I still would after 30 I don't I don't I don't really know.
  • [04:08] Mike: I'll wait. No no. But I'm not asking whether you would detect it I'm asking What is your reaction like like immediately after are you just totally like yes this is great or do you sort of try to avoid that kind of contact. Yeah go on. Yeah.
  • [04:11] Keith: Oh I see. no no I would I would I think I would try to avoid it so much that I would actually say something like after five minutes I might be like a little bit embarrassed to say something like I I don't want to offend them. Although. The reason why I'm declining it is because I don't want to taste myself. It's nothing about them.
  • [04:31] Mike: Cried.
  • [04:35] Mike: Yeah, but it's I mean so this is a topic that comes up fairly frequently in various forms and I mean it. It is reasonable for a woman to interpret that as like. Belittling them or something right? I mean you're basically like it's like oh you've done this thing that I myself am unwilling to do or you've made yourself gross something like that right? I mean either. There is some rationality to them finding that irritating.
  • [04:58] Keith: Um, yeah yeah I agree I mean I think that I don't understand why men or why women ever want to go down on men in the first place let alone swallow their load like but that whole thing is weird to me. Ah, but. Understand that many women enjoy doing that. Ah, but is it rational for them to be I don't know like I'm pretty clear that like I think it's a little bit strange I don't know if it's rational for them to be upset at me at me being upset with them for trying to bring it back up. Into my mouth.
  • [05:37] Mike: Well I don't know if they're trying to bring it. Oh I get it. Okay I thought that you get you evoked for me an image of them regurgitating it from their stomach. Yeah.
  • [05:44] Keith: No, no, no, no, no, they don't they just don't consider it like they've already swallowed it. They don't know that it's like on their breath or that it's something that I may be sensitive to like they've they've they've forgotten that that has occurred they've they've moved on.
  • [05:52] Mike: Right? You see this is actually a somewhat interesting question because for me I would bucket. This say the first say the the immediate afterward and maybe even the five minutes afterward in my general malaise strong. Post-nut clarity situation where like I just generally don't I'm not that excited about any kind of closeness exactly and so like it doesn't at that point like it's kind of like right? So then I kind of bucket it that way. But for you for somebody who perhaps would enjoy pillow talk or whatever afterward like.
  • [06:15] Keith: You don't want to be you don't want to be kissed period Let alone with with react.
  • [06:28] Keith: I Do I do enjoy the ah the post-nut cuddling.
  • [06:32] Mike: It must right. There must be. You must have to actually make some sort of a conscious decision to say oh I want to I want to avoid this particular thing because because it bothers me. It's not the general thing.
  • [06:41] Keith: I Think a polite I think a polite woman knows that there's some sort of Buffer period during which they shouldn't attempt a kiss.
  • [06:53] Mike: Sure that that makes sense I mean similar to I would assume I would assume men polite men after performing say analingus would know that she's probably not going to want to.
  • [07:04] Keith: Ah, but even fine fair enough but even a polite woman might forget sometimes right like yeah, she's generally she might be like oh yeah, that makes sense but you know maybe four minutes have gone by and you know I say something hilarious or really bonding and you know she wants wants to kiss me because of it.
  • [07:22] Mike: Sure Yeah I like how you build built yourself up there. You say something hilarious or particularly bonding that you sure sure. Yeah, definitely.
  • [07:23] Keith: Ah, she she might just forget. Yeah.
  • [07:31] Keith: Yeah I'm I'm just trying to create a realistic scenario here for our listeners. Okay are we ready to move on to this porn. Okay, what do you have for us today.
  • [07:41] Mike: Yes, so we have ah an x x x rated video linked in the show notes that people should click on and follow along with as we talk about it now this is unusual. Usually we pick 1 that is ah. Some sort of activity off you know porn hub or 1 of the equivalent sites. Um, this is actually a capture of a camgirl now people may not know this. But if you go on the camgirl sites and and probably camgirls would find this irritating that I'm basically publicizing this although it's not that hard to find. If you go on camera girl sites and you grab the username of someone who's performing and just search it in Google you can almost always find recordings I think illicitly done by ah websites automated systems somewhere um in the cloud that record and and then save. Ah, their performances and so basically like if if if a woman is sort of teasing her audience on say chatterba and you're in the audience and you say hey, um I just want to so let's get straight to the main course here I don't want to give you any money I just want to see what's going on. You can actually just do this search thing and this will come up so anyway, that's how I came across this particular clip.
  • [08:53] Keith: So okay, all right.
  • [08:56] Mike: And um, this was a person that I actually watched live which I don't do very often very seldom for me and I wanted to us to look at it because like I thought that she had maybe the best patter of any campbell girl I've ever watched. Ah.
  • [09:11] Keith: Oh Wow. Okay.
  • [09:15] Mike: Yeah, she's extremely ah, realistic comfortable. She's she's by the way hasn't done many broadcasts but I just thought like cam girls generally could potentially learn from the techniques. She's deploying in this video exactly because it's not like think she's not.
  • [09:26] Keith: This girl's technique. Okay, okay.
  • [09:34] Mike: Overtly, in fact, she claims in the video. it's it's twenty minutes long so we can't watch much of it here but she claims she's not interested in money tips. But of course then people start tipping like and you know and I'm sure there's some way someone could work that so they could get money but like typically I think.
  • [09:46] Keith: Yeah.
  • [09:49] Mike: 1 of the turnoffs with camirl shows generally is that like they're just so focused on money and it's also very sterile and just not natural feeling and and this and this woman does a good job. So anyway we have this clip and people should. We're going to start at the thirteen minute mark I can narrate some of it. It's a little difficult to narrate.
  • [09:55] Keith: I say.
  • [10:09] Mike: Because not she's a lot of just talking and sort of it's and it's not like some sort of a aggressive sex scene like what we usually have but ah, but people should watch it and and we and we can talk about it afterward.
  • [10:16] Keith: I say I say yeah you don't have to yeah discussing her movements is less interesting than than what's what she's saying how long do you think we should watch for okay all right I am ready to go are you ready.
  • [10:24] Mike: Exactly maybe thirty seconds
  • [10:32] Mike: Yes.
  • [10:34] Keith: Okay, I'm starting in 3 2 1 now.
  • [10:37] Mike: Okay, so the camera's sort of between her legs. She's talking. She's completely naked and she's kind of moving her legs around. Let's see what she's talking about she's talking basically about her life and she's rubbing her. She's masturbating to some extent. Talking about snow bunnies. Ah she's sort of laughing I wondered if she was sort of on some drug or maybe drunk or something while doing this. Um and she's you know a nice view of her chest and body actually not a view of her crotch so much and we're actually at thirty seconds
  • [11:11] Keith: Ok, all right, Let's let's pause it here I think I get the idea huh. Yeah.
  • [11:13] Mike: Want to watch more cave. Okay. She changes poses. She takes a shower at 1 point ah like she brings her computer I guess in and and takes a shower and like you can see her most of the time but it's just this very natural conversational thing where like she's talking with the people chatting but very calm and natural I don't know your impressions.
  • [11:22] Keith: Or laptop or phone. Maybe yeah.
  • [11:34] Keith: Um, yeah, so I have watched ah I don't know what my fair share of chatterbbait watching would be I don't find Chatterbait really compelling for for masturbating too. But I do find it sort of interesting to watch and just see the zeitgeist of what's going on. On on these campsites. This woman is she might be a little bit stoned or a little bit drunk but she doesn't feel I don't know a lot of these women feel like they're almost imprisoned in this situation like they're they're. They're talking, but it's they're just doing it because yeah, it just it's very clear. They're doing it for the money This feels more casual. This feels like she sort of wants to be here that she's actually talking to the visitors in her room instead of just trying to figure out the quickest way to liberate them from their money.
  • [12:28] Mike: Yeah, so the scenario that she constructs and I mean I don't know if it's actually well I look who knows who knows exactly what's going on is that she's at a hotel somewhere in Oregon and she's waiting for her boyfriend who for some reason isn't going to show up for like 3 hours and so she's bored. And yeah, like he has some he's like has some job where he like gets off at four am or something and she's waiting for him. She can't wait for him to show up and when he shows up the obvious is going to happen. They're going to copulate furiously and she's excited about that and so she's like well you know I have time now.
  • [12:55] Keith: Yeah.
  • [13:05] Mike: This could all be true, but this is the scenario like I have time now I'm I'm just going to jump on like because I'm bored and Lonely and it just really in my opinion really works I'm sort of curious What you are like what so you you you look at these things for the zeitgeist like what do? what do you? What do you find compelling.
  • [13:05] Keith: Bright right.
  • [13:24] Mike: And what ah what Zeitgeist do you find when you're looking on the campsites.
  • [13:26] Keith: Um, I Just think it's interesting because Okay, for starters, there's a whole array of people on these sites right? So like if you go to Chatterbait you know in the top left corner which is the most viewed stream. That's currently live. It's always somebody who's. Quite attractive but they seem almost like displaced from their body like they're they're just doing Ah, they're like performing an act and they often I think because physical attractiveness is more important than the. Rapport The the women who end up in that in those top spots are just they're a little bit I don't know how to I don't know how to put this. They're just that they feel like almost like a robot and it feels sort of sad actually. Um.
  • [14:18] Mike: Yeah, it reminds me of the I agree completely. It reminds me of if you if the typical situation if you go into a like a strip club in a big city like they just don't like they they don't want to be there and and and the thing is you can tell like they don't.
  • [14:30] Keith: Yeah.
  • [14:37] Mike: They're They're not able to hide that. It's just I mean and that's a really hard thing to hide like if if you're in a bad situation. You don't want to be in. It's like oh now you have to act like it's great like people could do it some but it's just really quite difficult to do that.
  • [14:42] Keith: Right? Yeah I mean this is why I find strip clubs entirely uncompeling I Feel awkward being there I feel like they're they feel awkward too. But they're pretending to not feel awkward and and and there's such a. Obvious lack of it's not just a lack of Enthusiasm. It's like ah yeah, they actually detest their customers they have like this resentment almost and it's just hard I don't find it is understandable I do and I don't find the excitement of seeing a naked.
  • [15:10] Mike: Yeah, which is understandable.
  • [15:20] Keith: Woman ah enough to overcome those other negative factors and it's sort of like that on the top streams on these campsites like these these girls are often gorgeous but they're just so I don't know dispassionate or unenthusiastic or.. Whatever, whatever the case may be that it's just not at all interesting. The nice thing about this girl is this woman is that she yeah she doesn't feel that way at all. She feels like she's sort of enjoying herself. She's just doing this because she has some extra time and you know there's she's not. Doing it out of need. She's doing it because she wants to and that makes it significantly more compelling than the usual.
  • [16:00] Mike: Yeah, it's really surprising to me that because 1 of the important things you mentioned is that like these sites do rank things based on basically based on the number of viewers that are in the room and it's really surprising to me because I've noticed the same thing that the top rooms are. Just totally appearance based and that's pretty surprising like it's surprising to me that it isn't maybe this is like why only fans is this so attractive and maybe maybe maybe people are more conversational like this have moved to only fans and that's why but it's yeah, it's like I would think that this kind of content would be much more appealing.
  • [16:19] Keith: Right.
  • [16:38] Mike: But generate more tips would capture men who have that sort of like I mean the the standard thing you hear from the cam girl industry is that their goal is really like to create like kind of be like a surrogate girlfriend on some level for guys like to to.
  • [16:51] Keith: Right.
  • [16:54] Mike: Give them this sort of experience that it has some emotional content and so it's like it's strange that like then you go on there and it's just people maybe speaking an Eastern European language there are people from countries that are less wealthy in South America For example, like Just. Kind of robotically just just going through the motions and it is kind of it's sort of strange and sad I mean that being said look I Want to say that for me I push through and I find some good content because every man has his thing he needs to do his ah his his role in life and mine is to consume. This content without ever paying for it. That's my creison dere. So.
  • [17:33] Keith: Yeah, it is interesting. How easy it is to find porn I don't know who pays for Porn. It's confusing What thought I had is a lot of people might watch this stuff on mute or you know maybe they're in their bathroom and they don't want there to be any sound and so like what the people are saying is even less. Important in that circumstance I don't know but I agree. It's a little bit strange like if you were to come up with a way to measure who the you know quote Unquote Best cam girls were what you'd want is the most tips per viewer right. You don't want necessarily the most viewers you want the most tips for viewer because that's some sort of metric of success and I think they just show most viewers and if they I know I know I know.
  • [18:19] Mike: It's tricky though because they have like private shows they give and also like I mean total revenue is going to be much higher for somebody who has like 5000 people in there even if they're tipping a little less each than somebody who just has like 10 whales.
  • [18:29] Keith: That's why I want it right? But I think you want Yeah, that's true. Yeah maybe Median I don't know Anyway, all right? It is.
  • [18:37] Mike: It's a really interesting industry I mean yeah I mean and these guys tip tipping to to make a vibrator run when like if you know we we spoke with a cam girl who told us that ah she's getting no pleasure from that which is what I expect I mean like it's just not not. It's just a fantasy and so like having somebody who's sort of behaving.
  • [18:48] Keith: Yeah, of course.
  • [18:54] Mike: Naturally, even if there you know there isn't a gigantic dildo jamming in and out or whatever seems more compelling to me but there you have it.
  • [18:59] Keith: Yeah, yeah I can see a bunch of the screenshots below the video you shared which is you know trying to get me to click through I mean I'm I'm presume they choose these screenshots because they have high click through rates like a lot of them have what is what is that pink. Dildo thing that vibrates if it's like connects with bluetooth to your phone or or whatever it is yeah love sense. That's what it's called. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I mean like half of them have that exact thing and yeah I Just find that totally.. It's so perform obviously performative. But it's just not.
  • [19:20] Mike: Love sense or Lush or something Lush vibrator. Yeah yeah.
  • [19:33] Mike: But it works guys are I mean Yaik is a good product idea I wish I'd thought of it stick this in your coter. Yeah.
  • [19:36] Keith: I guess I guess guys like pretending they have agency all right, let's move on. Um, here's a question from write it this person asks. Why do guys? Why do guys sneakily sniff their fingers after fingering. This always conf confused me I'm not worried but that the grammar in this post is so Bad. So like you know, sniff their fingers t h e y apostrophe r e she she wrote and then she says instead of saying instead of saying because she says see you z all right anyway.
  • [20:02] Mike: I know I noticed that when I yeah.
  • [20:10] Mike: And.
  • [20:13] Keith: Im I'm going to try to read that art this always conf confused me I'm not worried when I notice them try to sniff their fingers because I know that I don't smell bad I always take showers before I have sex and I'm a clean person when it comes to my body because I hate being embarrassed I've had a guy confidently sniff his fingers after fingering me and said it smelled like nothing I smelled his fingers and it didn't smell like anything. Tbh to be honest I was weird out I was weirded out but I went with the flow. It doesn't really bother me but I but I just but I'm just curious Why to men do that by the way when you say it smelled like nothing I mean it has a faint smell but definitely not a bad smell I Hope that makes sense I mean she already said. She smels his fingers and it didn't smell like anything to be honest and then later she criticizes the the comment that it doesn't smell like anything I mean she's right. It does smell like something but and art sorry I can't get over the incoherence of this this person's writing Okay, but the general thing here is ah.
  • [21:03] Mike: Sure.
  • [21:09] Keith: I Don't feel like I need to sneak a sniff like I I feel like ah you know if I if I insert my my fingers into someone and then ah smell or lick my fingers that that can be a sign of enthusiasm for my partner I don't think you have to sneak it.
  • [21:26] Mike: I Don't know when you just said that it grossed me out a little bit I didn't I didn't I never thought about you sticking your finger in there and then licking it afterward before but I don't I don't like that image I'm going to erase it.
  • [21:29] Keith: I Know I know I.
  • [21:37] Keith: Yeah I'm sure you don't but a partner who actually cared if I liked their secretions. They might.
  • [21:48] Mike: Um, it's really foreign though think about it like it's I mean it's not just you. It's ah the notion of as a man the notion of someone putting their finger inside your body somewhere removing it and then licking it is really foreign to me. I've never thought about it when you have from that perspective. It's like yeah I mean for a woman like it's like oh this is a thing that's possible for a man. It's like it would always be Bad. It's just like well there's no orifice. You're gonna access and then be happy about what happens when you anyway. Ah so it's yeah, it's hard to relate to but okay, go on.
  • [22:20] Keith: Yeah I mean yeah, fine. But yeah, this notion of like sniffing somebody is is normal I think I don't think this is weird I think it's weird that this guy felt like he had to do it behind her back. But. She's such a moron that like who knows what like could offend her or not offend her. Yeah.
  • [22:42] Mike: That's what I was I was going to say maybe ah maybe he was he was he sniffing because he wanted to figure out what what? if if you could tell a person's retarded by the way their vagina smells but in seriousness. Ah.
  • [22:50] Keith: Maybe yeah, maybe he was checking to see if he wanted to go down on her by evaluating for Ph levels through smell.
  • [22:57] Mike: Um, there actually there actually there actually was another and maybe it's in the comment thread of this post I'm not I think it actually is I think there's a comment here where a guy says that that's like a thing he does he like sort of puts he kind of finds ah an excuse to. A finger downstairs there and and then double checks it and so he's like that was 1 of the proffered potential explanations here I mean I think the obvious 1 is first of all, he's probably not really being sneaky so much as like yeah I mean it's just a. Yeah, he might he might actually be the opposite of sneaky might be trying to be like sexy or something like oh this is this is hot or whatever. Um I would think a guy would do that more with the finger in particular like after like say 2 hours after the woman has left your apartment or something.
  • [23:34] Keith: Um, this is just bright.
  • [23:49] Mike: And my rationale there would be that like there there it would be simply like lack of access right? It's like the guys like trying to rekindle that memory in his head or he's like oh yeah, remember this thing I did 2 hours ago.
  • [23:58] Keith: Yeah I feel I feel the urge to read to you some of these comments. So this first guy says I love the way it smells and then she responded it's really that simple somebody responded to that yes, when I wear a mustache the lingering smell on it post oral.
  • [24:13] Mike: Um, oh that's wrong. Um, yeah.
  • [24:16] Keith: Keeps the afterglow until I watch it maybe too gross for some but I love it Frankly, ah my husband likes to text me about how hard it is to focus on work when his beard and mustache smell like me not going to lie. It's fucking hot.
  • [24:29] Mike: Is it is that hot is that do you think that is something a woman would like to hear.
  • [24:35] Keith: I Think well it's tricky if a woman actually likes the person I think knowing that they are thinking about use sexually when you're a part is probably a turn on. Yeah but I think your general theory is that like both women don't care.
  • [24:53] Mike: I'm just no I think I think there's a fine line between turn on annoying. It's like and also like okay no I have a couple things to say there. There's that there's a fine line there and then the other thing is like it's not okay. So if if ah if a if a if ah, if.
  • [24:57] Keith: Okay.
  • [25:10] Mike: Day after an encounter with a woman. You got a text she said man I'm still sore or I'm thinking about you because I feel I can. It's like you're still inside beers but you'd like that right because you'd be like because yeah because she's.
  • [25:19] Keith: Yes, of course.
  • [25:24] Mike: She's basically turning you into keith the gigantic penis. You're not a person like guys like that guys like well but guys also like being sort of like identified with their penis like that doesn't that's cool with us but women I don't think necessarily want to be made sort of 1 with their genitals like that like it's like.
  • [25:25] Keith: Um, yeah, she's indicating interest and sexual prowess. Yeah.
  • [25:33] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [25:39] Keith: Oh I see.
  • [25:43] Mike: She would rather you say something like man that conversation we had was really interesting I Want to talk to you more.
  • [25:45] Keith: Your your insight into that movie. We saw was was really clever and special.
  • [25:51] Mike: Yeah, yeah, because the knock on guys is that Basically yeah I mean like no girl or sorry, not no girl I mean no woman but not not not that as many women I think would like getting a text that just like sort of ah talks about them as a body.
  • [26:09] Keith: Okay, so so you would expect you would expect or or you're developing a hypothesis that is something like the difference between whether women want to receive dick pics and whether men want to receive you know, crotch shots or boot picks right? like so men almost always want to receive that and women almost never want to receive.
  • [26:10] Mike: Right? I think they would be more interested in their personality because yeah.
  • [26:29] Keith: Dick picks and there's there's some sort of like similar or but there's potentially an an analogy here where telling a woman that you're still thinking about their sexuality might be less compelling than it would be to a man. It's an interesting theory.
  • [26:39] Mike: Yeah I mean I think like yeah and and the corollary there is that like I think that women are this is I don't have really have any evidence for this but it it strikes me that it's possible that women might be more willing to view those things positively if they're less feel less secure about how they about their body. So It's like if if a woman is like frankly, unattractive or overweight to a level where it's like hard for to sexualize her and then a guy sends like something like that. Well then I think that might be more compelling but if she's someone who you know a man might look out on the street you know, but just sort of be like oh she's she's she's cute like I don't. Think they need that because they get so much positive feedback then about their appearance that I'm not sure they I'm not sure that that it were or they would rather get feedback on something else like their smile or their eyes than like on their genitals and their boobs which is what normally women are getting.
  • [27:34] Keith: Yeah, it's an interesting point I'm I'm curious I I made a note of it so that we can ask next time we have a woman on the show. But yeah I'm not sure I think I bet it mostly pivots on how much they like the person and it I would guess and like yeah like well.
  • [27:35] Mike: Feedback on. Yeah.
  • [27:53] Keith: That and like whether they're confident that the guy likes them. Actually if if they're if they have insecurities generally or if it's a new partner or or whatnot they would probably like hearing about it more. But your general hypothesis is an interesting 1
  • [28:04] Mike: Sure yeah that's probably right I mean like generally like there's going to be a lot like if if it's more exciting if it's a more exciting situation in the relationship then like it's more positive yes or like you know if if you're. Been dating a while but you're on at a you've taken a trip somewhere you know and you're there together and it's kind of exciting in that romantic sexual way. Then yeah, it's probably better anyway, do you want to read more of the comments. The mustache thing is really tough for me.
  • [28:32] Keith: No, um, yeah, let me see if there's anything else. Let me see if there's anything else. Great here.
  • [28:37] Mike: I I Once tried to get my ah my wife plays on ah my wife plays on soccer teams and she frequently women's soccer teams are ah Lesbian dominated and I once tried to get them to name their team. The mustache riders that.
  • [28:51] Keith: Ah, how did that go? How did that sales pitch. Go.
  • [28:55] Mike: Very poorly. My other idea was come on Eileen right? I thought it was funny and they didn't think it was funny at all.
  • [29:02] Keith: Is that great I can imagine. There's not yeah, the the eye rolls and why did you bring your husband again. Um.
  • [29:10] Mike: Um, well I mean in they you know of course their name is just boring right? They come up with something really boring is like at least you know have a little character here. A mustache writers.
  • [29:20] Keith: Yeah I think I found the comment you were talking about this person says when I was single and dating Whatever I'd be fully around with a woman is things got hot and heavy stealthily sneaking a finger sniff with this was a tool in my tool bag to make sure it was okay to go down most of the time it's safe to go down there. However, occasionally there might be a bouquet that was a little strong.
  • [29:30] Mike: Yes.
  • [29:39] Keith: I don't like surprises and guys can be a little fragrant as well. If I had a long day thought I needed to freshen up down there where I took a big dump I'd suggest showering with things were getting hot and heavy. Yeah.
  • [29:47] Mike: I mean that's sort of true though I mean wouldn't like if you I don't know whether you do this or not but like if you go down there and it's not all that it could be what do you do? I mean are you stuck there for five minutes
  • [29:56] Keith: Yeah, so we talked about this? Yeah, right exactly? So we talked about this a little bit in the past where I mean it just I don't think it's ever happened where I've gotten down there and it's just been repulsive. Um.
  • [30:10] Mike: Ha.
  • [30:11] Keith: If that were something that had ever happened to me I think I would need to add this guy's tool to my tool bag because yeah, fool me once you know, shame on you fool me twice shame on me right? It's I've just never had that experience. So I don't feel like I need to you know set up send up a trial balloon to to find out.
  • [30:29] Mike: Right.
  • [30:31] Keith: Um, but yeah I mean let's say you don't send the trial balloon. You do get down there and it's repulsive. There is some sort of like mandatory sentence down there. But and if you come up if you come up before that they're going to wonder if something's wrong or they may feel insecure.
  • [30:44] Mike: I Wonder if they would wonder that I mean I like would you wonder that.
  • [30:49] Keith: Ah, you know what I was just thinking about something I think oh like if a girl went down on me for thirty seconds and then came back up I don't know I don't know I'm not sure. Ah I can't remember ah.
  • [30:56] Mike: Yeah, yeah I don't think that's how I would interpret that. Yeah but go on what was the thing you just thought of.
  • [31:07] Mike: Some good content. Keith.
  • [31:09] Keith: Good though? Yeah I know he can't make me switch topics I'm too old I can't remember something from from 4 seconds ago. Um, oh I Remember what I was gonna say ah I feel like a woman knows if there's something off down there and so. Maybe the reason why I've never experienced something off is because women have preempted any kind of oral engagement by saying you know they didn't want me to or not tonight or you know whatever. So it needs to be a situation where the woman doesn't know that something's off or or she's you know, unaware or something in order for me to even have a chance for that to happen like I wouldn't let a girl go down on me.
  • [31:40] Mike: Huh Yeah, that's.
  • [31:53] Mike: Right? Yeah, and that's that's probably right.
  • [31:58] Keith: if I if I hadn't showered I would I just wouldn't let a girl go down on me. So there's probably something similar. It might not it depends it depends. But yeah I think I think the Venn diagram of like the woman not knowing something is off is and me going down is is pretty is pretty low.
  • [32:01] Mike: Might not occur to you I mean you never know but sure I hear what you're saying.
  • [32:14] Mike: Sure.
  • [32:17] Keith: Ah, okay, next topic this person says continuing to suck after he comes I was giving head a couple days ago and the guy came in my mouth pretty quick quickly. It's ah at adverb there after I swallowed I continued to suck the tip and he felt he.
  • [32:23] Mike: There We go. Yeah, yeah.
  • [32:35] Keith: And he said he felt like he was gonna nut again. He didn't but he said it felt amazing. Is this a universal thing for guys or does it hurt if someone continues to suck after you come it.
  • [32:45] Mike: I've had that happen before that sort of like it feels like it's going to happen again thing and then it never does see that's the problem. It doesn't it doesn't happen. It just sort of it's like sort of restimulates in a way that then just kind of is a bummer.
  • [32:56] Keith: Interesting I Thought you edited this topic for another reason which is for me it hurts like after I've come I have like this moment of sensitivity even like even like while I'm coming if they do like. The wrong thing it can completely ruin the orgasm.
  • [33:13] Mike: I Think the word hurts is not right I think it's like it's it's for me at least it's not that it hurts. It's that it's like it's just annoying.
  • [33:18] Keith: Okay, yeah, it's somewhere between like a painful and a tickle like it's it's uncomfortable I don't know quite exactly how to describe it.
  • [33:25] Mike: Yeah, it's more. It's closer to a tickle from my perspective but but I've also had this thing happen where it's like it. It. Ah it Yeah, it's like your it's like there's still the hormones haven't finished doing whatever they're doing or whatever those sort of.. Ah, thing thing that triggers the orgasm experience and so it's like it. It kind of comes back a little but it's not it doesn't work and so yeah I mean generally like this is ah, not a great strategy and by the way like this habit like it's really common I mean I don't know if you find this Irritating. You probably don't watch a lot of blow porn or like yeah come in mouth C I am porn I guess but ah and then you can search people really the thing you want to search there is on Porn Hu is throbbing throbbing I think it's the Keyw word. Ah.
  • [34:04] Keith: Well I don't know what this is yet. What's this.
  • [34:18] Keith: Ah, what is throbbing I see.
  • [34:21] Mike: Then you really get the oh.. It's just then his cock right? Then you get the actual like you know where they don't is trying to avoid just seeing his splooge splattered everywhere. But anyway in many cases because they want to show the comeshot. They will basically sequence the porn so that you know. She's giving a blow almost always the guy has to beat off because he's very there's there are a number of reasons I think that's likely he's in filming a porn. He's on Viagra etc and then he nuts but then and so they want to show that somewhere and then.
  • [34:52] Keith: Right.
  • [34:59] Mike: Sequence it. So then they're sucking afterward I would say like more than half of blow come in mouth porn or come on face. Whatever yeah, has that.
  • [35:04] Keith: I Think you're right I Think you're right? Yeah I think I I mean I think there's something going on there in porn that is a little bit different for most sexual engagements which is yeah the guy is not going to come from her oral stimulation. It's ah it's like a job instead of something he's like super excited about and so yeah, he has to.
  • [35:15] Mike: Right.
  • [35:23] Keith: Do the needful himself to get himself to orgasm and then because the director wants to you know show the woman pretending to be enthusiastic about the come. Yeah, she'll start licking after and yeah I Just the every time I see that it's just not. It's not compelling.
  • [35:40] Mike: Yeah, and other things that are not compelling are are blowing bubbles. Ah having it drool out of her mouth having it pool in her mouth. So it's like a little swimming pool. None of these are compelling what what were you going to say though for you.
  • [35:41] Keith: Ah, for me. Yeah, right? Sometimes they'll rub it on like it's lotion. But yeah for me, it's I'm just it's way too intense some i'm. I'm too sensitive immediately after an orgasm like I don't really want um extra simulation for a minute or so it's probably something analogous to after a woman orgasms in her. Her clit is really sensitive. It's.
  • [36:09] Mike: Well, that's what I was actually going to I was going to of course bring up the topic of well maybe maybe there's some connection between women who have this experience themselves and then realize that. The man is going to have a similar experience and they're careful whereas women who either have the purported orgasm without touching their clit slash orgasm where they can just continue and it doesn't become a hypersensitive those women might have a harder time understanding the experience of a man. If you want I can cast more aspersions at the second group of women if that wasn't enough.
  • [36:49] Keith: Yeah, no look I think if women are not having the classic orgasm experience I Think it's probable that they may be confused about some of the sensations that men feel after their own orms I don't I think I'm dodging controversy there.
  • [37:02] Mike: Right. Yeah, Keith Keith saying you, you aren't having orgasms ladies Lady Allie Allie our listener. Our female listener.
  • [37:08] Keith: Think but.
  • [37:15] Keith: Ah, hi Allie. Um, yeah, anyway, all right Let's move on. So ah, this person says I like when he eats my ass but I don't know how to tell him I want more I'm a 22 year old female when my boyfriend and I had sex. He caught me off guard while he was going down on me. He also paid attention to my ass. Loved it so much when he was eating my ass out more than he eats my pussy tbh this the same person I can't I can't be the same for let me check. No I think it's.
  • [37:38] Mike: Is it. It's just some like spam person somebody hired them ah said look I Just need you to post a bunch of raunchy shit on the sex subreddit. Okay.
  • [37:48] Keith: Okay, that way it's it's it's a different person. There's just there's just an epidemic of poor writing in young people these days all right I loved it so much when he was eating my ass out more than more than more she means say more than when he eats my pussy tbh to be honest I don't know how to tell him. I want more without being blunt I'm typically very shy but it felt so good. Okay, first off, just get over yourself and tell them second the thing that I find interesting about this is that she says she liked having her ass eaten more than she ah liked having her pussy eaten and I know you don't like the the verb. Eat. And yeah I mean it's just so it's it's so common. Maybe yeah, you're getting ah, what is it immersion therapy.
  • [38:25] Mike: I'm getting used to it. Yeah. Ah, you could we could switch to saying chowinghow box that's worse. Yeah now I've heard chao but Munch is fine too.
  • [38:36] Keith: Ah, that's worse somehow there you I think the expression is munch Box Nothow Really both. They're both sort of ah icky up. Okay.
  • [38:48] Mike: Yeah.
  • [38:56] Keith: How could it be but okay I look I know that like a lot of people report enjoy having their ass eaten and I'm skeptical in the male case I'm extremely skeptical skeptical in the female case. Ah that she's enjoying having her ass eaten like what is she like what.
  • [39:06] Mike: Of what. I Think it's pop. Yeah, well, it's taboo and also like there are nerve endings there but like the critical thing here is that like okay um, I find it believable that she could find it equivalent or.
  • [39:14] Keith: What sexual stimulation is occurring.
  • [39:30] Mike: Even better than having somebody sort of lick her labia that's believable to me I mean in the same sense to like a guy would I mean the analogous thing for then it's impossible.
  • [39:32] Keith: Well, what if what? but let's presume he's of average skill though. Let's say he's yeah,, let's say he's not terrible like if he's really bad at going down on her than than sure like both are not compelling sexually. And you know you could get some sort of equivalency there. But if he's like even remotely competent at going down on her. She is shy so she's probably not coaching him so he might not know what he's doing um.
  • [39:54] Mike: Yeah I mean it's there I just wanted to point out that there are 3 There are 3 regions here and for a man the equivalent would be like you'd have to think about this like which is better having a woman lick your butthole or having a woman sort of flatten out and lick your scrotum.
  • [40:12] Keith: Um.
  • [40:14] Mike: That would be I think the analogy analogy for a man in terms of sensation to labia and Butthole now. Of course there's another part for both people that is the thing that's actually desired and so then yeah I mean unfortunately like my analysis of this situation has to be that this guy.
  • [40:21] Keith: I see.
  • [40:32] Mike: This guy and all of her other partners doesn't doesn't know what the right part to lick is and she might not even know that like that's sort of my my general and and her grammar isn't doing anything to to dissuade me here. Yeah.
  • [40:41] Keith: Right? I mean she even concedes that she's that she's shy. She didn't concede that but she made it abundantly clear.
  • [40:45] Mike: An idiot. Okay.
  • [40:51] Mike: That was she playacted that part. Ah yeah I mean I like it's so I mean in that sense like you look I mean yeah I So I guess to answer the question like if I had to pick between a let's say it was a really hot woman and she's like look baby.
  • [40:55] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [41:10] Mike: I'm going to either lick your scrotum or your butthole and then leave I would pick the butthole because it would be more I'd be like look it's more like violating of her and it's like oh yeah, she did that like a but scrotum. It's like it feels like she's licking like my scalp or something like it's just not I don't um, might.
  • [41:15] Keith: Um, right? because it's more submissive right? right? right. But right? Yeah, How do you feel when somebody puts 1 of your testicles in their mouth.
  • [41:29] Mike: Knuckles on my finger. It's just nothing. Yeah.
  • [41:36] Mike: Ah, not. It's a use. Okay I will say this. It's not my favorite thing and ah it got became less my favorite thing after having a vasecctomy made it worse. Yeah.
  • [41:49] Keith: Interesting This sucks I don't so I have not had a vasectomy but I don't like that there are various downsides Well are there any other downsides like anything else.
  • [42:02] Mike: It it it it.
  • [42:05] Keith: I mean I know I know I know for like a couple weeks you know it's like painful. You can't jerk off that sounds bad but like um, are there any other like things during sex that are like less comfortable because of the vasecctomy.
  • [42:14] Mike: Not really I mean it's no the answer is no, it's and and the thing I would say is that ah, it's it's the I mean the doctors are honest about this. The healing time is more like 6 to nine months. Not 3 weeks and that's that's sort of the thing. It's like so it's it's ah.
  • [42:27] Keith: Okay.
  • [42:33] Mike: Yes, like you can use it after a smaller smaller period of time but like it's still you can tell that like it's not perfectly backed the way it was well. It's internal, but it's like sort of annoying and then yeah at some point it's back to normal but still this remains a thing that like I don't think will ever.
  • [42:38] Keith: A little raw. Yeah yeah.
  • [42:50] Mike: Change back as it were like it's it's like some somehow like I don't know it altered the character of having that happen I didn't like it in the first place that much it was fine. So and you you also it's not your favorite.
  • [42:57] Keith: Yeah, fair enough? Yeah yeah, it's something better than well. The reason why I mentioned it's something better than having your scrotumlicked but it's still not nearly as good as having attention on my shaft.
  • [43:11] Mike: I think I would pick the scrotum licking because I don't like the fear of like intense pain that goes with the fooling around with the ball too. Risky not.
  • [43:19] Keith: I See do you ever fool around with your balls yourself while masturbating I think I've tried but I don't think I do much.
  • [43:29] Mike: Yeah, not particularly like it just isn't ah yeah and I realize there are men on the sex subredit who claim and in real life Real men who claim that this ah this is a great thing for them and maybe they're telling the truth. Whatever.
  • [43:43] Keith: Right? Okay, all right Let's move on this person. This is along the same line of incompetent men boyfriend only wants to have penetrative sex and nothing else. My boyfriend and I have been together about 2 months. Since the beginning he's been very insistent that he could make me come through penetration alone and he won't use fingers or oral to get me there as he doesn't consider them quote unquote real sex. He's fairly obsessed with the porn fantasy version of things and wants us both to orgasm at the same time through penetration every time there's hardly any foreplay extremely vanilla in only 1 to 3 positions. Okay. There's a number of issues here but we'll we'll get to them all I told him off the bat that it wasn't happening penetration feels like nothing to me brutal even if he still doesn't make me come I'd enjoy a little variety in stimulation. But here we are months later and he still insists. He'll convince me that I don't need the other things last night
  • [44:32] Mike: I Think that's close to normal by the way that penetration does nothing but go on I think it's closer to normal than it does a lot like I think it's it's it's it directionally like it's closer to normal. Yeah.
  • [44:36] Keith: Well, what do you mean? first.
  • [44:46] Keith: Okay, well, but let let me finish reading this. So what revis that all right last night we fought about it after I implied I missed getting off properly. He told me I just need to give him time to fix my problem so I can come from real sex personally I never seen it as a problem. How can I get him to extend his view of what sex is so I can enjoy myself too. Well ah Madam ah, first off penetration feels like there's a gap between penetration feels like nothing and penetration can reliably get me to orgasm every time I think penetration feels I think sex feels. Good for women just most women can't or you have them from it.
  • [45:28] Mike: Yeah I think it feels good. It's just like like it's it it? um.
  • [45:32] Keith: It feels good in a way that's different than getting like a back massage.
  • [45:36] Mike: Sure Yeah, it's pleasurable because yeah I mean and that's that's reasonable. It's yes, that's right obviously, but it's not like it's not intense in the same way that that focusing on the the top there is is.
  • [45:40] Keith: It's sexually pleasurable.
  • [45:51] Keith: What do you think an analogy for menus.
  • [45:55] Mike: Um, yeah, that's a good question I'm not sure there there is I mean I guess I guess no I mean I guess if you took the shaft. Let's say you took the shaft and you you took and you said you're not supposed to do anything with the upper half of it so you just take the bottom half and you're allowed to sort of.
  • [46:02] Keith: I'm not sure there is a great 1
  • [46:11] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, um, yeah, yeah, but it it may be possible but it would be super unusual.
  • [46:15] Mike: Go up and down on that. It's okay, but like get get nutting from that would be would require some sort of zen training. Right.
  • [46:27] Keith: Yeah, Ah, yeah, okay, well then I mean I'm I'm sure all of our advice here is gonna be the same like she she needs to tell him that most women don't come from penetrative sex alone and there are various things he can do. To to help with that. Yeah.
  • [46:45] Mike: I think it's kind of funny I like his approach. He's ah it's it's a very red pill approach. He's like look ah honey. This is what I've got for you I'm not not 1 inch more of anything. Let me ask you this though keith thea the his desire for simultaneity.
  • [46:53] Keith: Ah.
  • [47:01] Keith: M.
  • [47:04] Mike: The simultaneous orgasms here like is that something that you experience a lot.
  • [47:09] Keith: The desire or the effect.
  • [47:12] Mike: The effect or the desire frankly like I mean like is that do you try? Do you try to like accomplish that ah and because for a guy like I mean look ah for you know if if that's a desired outcome.. The guy is going to have to orchestrate it I think because I think that in general. The man has more control and this is actually like ah a thing that women may not totally understand like that I guess women have control over it too but women I think I think for a woman and when I say it I mean climaxing like for a woman. It's like yeah look they can do things that make it not happen like they can start thinking about what they have to do tomorrow.
  • [47:31] Keith: So yes.
  • [47:49] Keith: So.
  • [47:50] Mike: Morning or whatever their chores or something but like ah so they can sort of go back down the mountain in that sense? Um, but for a guy like there really is. It's like like I think that most guys can decide at some point that they're going to nut in the next like sixty seconds and kind of like there actually is a so ah porn style where they do that where it's like the woman starts counting down at some point and and typically the guy is able to do it. Um, so anyway because the guy has more control I think more fine grain control over exactly when it happens and it's interesting like you ask yourself like what are you doing to make it happen. And I have to introspect about that anyway, he would have to orchestrate it and so then I think I think typically what actually would then have to happen is the guy comes slightly after the woman although I have in my life experienced a woman who like purported or appeared to be tipped over the edge by me. Although.
  • [48:25] Keith: Yeah, I'm not sure. But yeah.
  • [48:44] Mike: I've chosen just I've I've I've since concluded that that was fake because of my my vast. My brain has grown and I've consumed so much content on this these subjects that I've I've become wise.
  • [48:55] Keith: Yeah, your your knowledge has exceeded your ego. Um, yeah.
  • [49:00] Mike: Yeah, well I caught yeah more like wisdom. Yeah, like it's like I that the preponderance of the evidence is that a lot of these behaviors that are not klit oriented are not real the go on. Yeah.
  • [49:11] Keith: Yeah I mean look I think if you want to have a simultaneous sort look having a simultaneous orgasm is fun it it is rare. Ah I think maybe partners who have been with each other for a long time. Maybe they can get things down so that it's it's. Easier I definitely agree that the onus is on the man to time his orgasm more than it is on the woman to time hers. Ah what else I have to say about this? Oh yeah I mean doing it from like penetration is tricky the ways I've had success in the past is while I'm penetrating her I'm also using my hand on her clit or she's using her hand on her clit. That's probably the most reliable.
  • [49:54] Mike: And then you have to end it but but I want to be clear about this like then you have to basically time you you have this ability to sort of trigger yourself right? So basically she starts coming and you're like okay now I'm going to and then maybe with given a cup few seconds there. You can actually get it to happen.
  • [50:01] Keith: Right? I can sort of.
  • [50:08] Keith: Yeah, yeah, Stroke or 2 right.
  • [50:12] Mike: So it's probably more fun for the woman.
  • [50:13] Keith: Um, yeah I mean I like the ah it feels like I've accomplished something if we're coming at the same time.
  • [50:24] Mike: Yes, although I mean the flip side is like you know the attention's not all on the person who's coming. He's probably a net negative on some level anyway, look I I want all the spotlight I mean by the way. Ah I've forgotten to mention this. Earlier keith but we did ah ah Allie actually sent me some texts about my oftrepeated idea about ah amping up or amping down orgasm quality because she ah when when when you were out of town. Ah, we discussed this on the podcast and I encouraged her to.
  • [50:53] Keith: Yeah.
  • [51:01] Mike: Try different positions techniques on herself and it's it's by the way it's a privilege a privilege 1 of the great privileges as a host of a sex podcast is getting to tell tell women what to do sexually and they have them do it. It's good I like that and and and we didn't pair.
  • [51:15] Keith: So did she report back. Her findings.
  • [51:20] Mike: She did So she says to me. She's very scientific minded So it's not going to be hot I'd like her to write hotter things to me but she doesn't want to. She says I don't think positions devices media in quotes water other liquids vegetables. Whatever have much effect on the quality or intensity of orgasm.
  • [51:22] Keith: Yeah, she is yep.
  • [51:37] Mike: More a linear process once certain conditions of localized repetitive pressure are met. This is so hot like if a woman sent this to me that I was interested and I'd be like oh my God I'm getting laid. Okay.
  • [51:41] Keith: This is did she spell how did she spell because I guess she hasn't said the word because yet. Okay, but if she did it wouldn't be see you z.
  • [51:50] Mike: She didn't say because okay going on. Ah how aroused I am no how aroused I am or what I'm thinking about can make the experience better or worse but not physical elements really then she says as a. As opposed to Keith's preference for a certain material of underwear or sleeping bag or whatever will dig there. It's possible. She says it's possible for me to masturbate on all fours or on my stomach. So that means she did it which is great because I told her to or asked asked I suggested it.
  • [52:18] Keith: Um, well if course it's possible to masturbate as a possible presumably. It's possible to orgasm.
  • [52:24] Mike: She says but it doesn't improve the result over being on my back and being on my back is easier. That's true. Maybe if she was live on the podcast while doing it. It would improve it. Ah. She I said you know I was trying to basically encourage her to I said we'd discuss her predicament for predicament her low Orgasm intensity from Masturbation Predicament I said you know like. Why why? even bother then and she said well I get urges to but I think it's makes partnered sex comparatively more interesting because there are more elements of Surprise potentially arousing circumstances for play. It's sort of a drag.. It's like she describes us in a way. It's like it's like um, it's like if there's a food that myself and all men love to eat frequently. And then you talk to somebody and they're like yeah that food's not so good and you're like oh you're missing out. You know it's rough.
  • [53:15] Keith: Yeah I can get pretty high orgasm intensity from masturbating I mean I would say.
  • [53:25] Mike: And you do and you but but but to her point Do you find a different intensity level. Ah like are you able to reliably alter the circumstances of your your session to increase and to to modulate the ah the intensity.
  • [53:37] Keith: I don't know if reliable but I can I can. It's not reliable like I can't say before a masturbation session that the orgasm I'm going to have is going to be a 7 out of 10 But ah.
  • [53:53] Mike: Huh.
  • [53:55] Keith: I can do things boy Actually that's an interesting question I'm trying to think if there's this I am starting to think I can't like is there a situation. Why why would I ever not go for the maximum intensity it but it might be I don't know.
  • [54:00] Mike: Oh now you're starting to think you can't.
  • [54:10] Mike: Maybe because it takes longer maybe because like I mean there are these men and god bless him but it grosses me out. There are these men on various subraddits who will edge themselves and there are videos. You can find I mean sometimes they think somebody wants to watch this but they post them various for forums. And they'll just sit there with their dick and they'll just they'll get close and you can tell they're getting close because they'll kind of start wriggling and stuff. Okay I mean I I watched for science I watched for science not but ah, they'll start wriggling. They'll start behaving as if they're getting close to nothinging and they'll stop this reminds me also of that woman we watched a few
  • [54:36] Keith: Sure.
  • [54:48] Mike: Episodes back who had the milking table for the guy like she does similar things to the guy. She'll sort of edge him and then when he nuts like a lot of semen comes out so you could do that it just it just takes a while right or or do you never edge yourself.
  • [54:56] Keith: Yeah I guess time matters like let's say I don't know I woke up late and I had a schedule that day and I wanted to masturbate before I went and I was in a hurry I might prefer having the orgasm to having a superintendent.
  • [55:15] Mike: Sometimes that actually generates an intense 1 though because you got it like the urgency.
  • [55:16] Keith: Hence 1 I'm trying to think it does but that just goes back to maybe I can't actually control my orgasm intensity.
  • [55:27] Mike: It I mean you probably could but it would involve putting things up your butt. Yeah, go on wait. No no go on what what makes it what affects it negatively I mean because there are obvious things like ah.
  • [55:32] Keith: Perhaps ah there are things I can do There are things I can do that affect it negatively. So yeah, maybe the analogy here is.
  • [55:46] Keith: Right? But like not what not using Pornography Gosh I don't know maybe it just makes it harder. Yeah I have a topic about death grip but we'll get that next episode.
  • [55:46] Mike: Using sandpaper or something but I mean did it joke things but like seriously like what it like it lowers the intensity of the orgasm or does it just make it harder to achieve wolf. Interesting Interesting. Yeah. Yeah I would say that I have found that I am I mean like I'm now like the lone man on the island here I am able to modulate it in a fairly reliable way that the the unpredictable thing for me. Maybe you'll when I say this you'll you'll agree is. That I need New.. Ah new, very compelling pornographic content and see the problem with that is that that is not yes, it's not easy to guarantee that like.
  • [56:31] Keith: That's the male experience.
  • [56:36] Mike: Um, I mean this reminds me this reminds me that thing of like um, it's hard to guarantee it because like whatever I do to guarantee it immediately then becomes like I know it's coming right? It's like ah so if I'm like oh if I Even if I paid someone to generate content for me I would know I paid them and it would So. It's It's this kind of crazy situation where I want to hunt I don't want. The food to be delivered me on a plate and this reminds me of that time and I don't know if we talked about this on the podcast Keith where I suggested that for very wealthy men a very clever sort of prostitution service or seeking arrangement style service would be that you have a person who hires these women for you. Unbeknownst to you and then they hit on you in a bar and you don't know that they're hired at that I think like I think that if somebody set up that business like that like I you know I mean you can talk about like these these guys who have crazy tastes and appetites and what they go for and these guys on the Lolita Express and stuff that man like.
  • [57:15] Keith: Yeah, thick.
  • [57:32] Mike: I don't think you do that crazy stuff I think if I think if a guy thinks that he seduced a really attractive woman and really believes it and and you know honestly like he could have set this up a year ago and he just doesn't know that's that I think that's going to peak it I think that's a 10 out of 10 right there.
  • [57:37] Keith: Yeah, right.
  • [57:47] Keith: Yeah, hard to not know of course.
  • [57:52] Mike: Well I mean fine then they have to make it contextual so it's yeah of course if you're like a 75 year old man and this like college student was like oh what have you got in those in in your pants you know, but I mean like ah if it would if you could make it closer to contextual like that right like where it's like believable. You know.
  • [57:58] Keith: Yeah.
  • [58:04] Keith: It's yeah, right? Yeah I think that's the the the nut though that that's hard to do the fee. The fee right.
  • [58:10] Mike: That that would be part of the game. Well, That's why you pay the the concierge the big bucks right? exactly.
  • [58:20] Keith: But even if you even just knowing that such a concierge concierge exists makes it makes it tricky.
  • [58:27] Mike: You think it would destroy all your sexual experiences because you would suspect then that every woman was interesting right? So so you have to not know the concierge exists So actually for the ladies listening. This is what you should give your husband unbeknownst to him.
  • [58:32] Keith: I'm not sure that was that is the thought that went through my mind.
  • [58:41] Keith: It's like like it's ah.
  • [58:44] Mike: Yeah, that's what he wants. It's this is what he wants. This is what he wants. Yeah like like he'll tell you he wants you know a new pair of pants but but actually wants this.
  • [58:46] Keith: Yeah, and as if correct it is I know I know.
  • [58:58] Keith: Right? All right? We've been recording an hour I'm gonna wrap it up. You have anything else. You want to add first. Okay, so thanks for listening to this forty sixth episode of your mileage may vary as a reminder.
  • [59:04] Mike: Jerk Now I'm good.
  • [59:14] Keith: Ah, just for this week we're offering twenty dollars for any feedback about the show we receive we receive at y m m v pod at gmail dot com we'll catch you next week