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Episode 47: Keith's Anal Adventure, Expanding Penises, Death Grip, Nude Photos

Team YMMV | 12-27-2021 | 1:04:21

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Keith finally has anal sex with a partner. I say finally, not from Keith's perspective (he was reluctant), but from the partner's (she was enthusiastic). He's keeping mum about whether a condom was used.

Someone asks whether the penis expands in the final moments before orgasm. I've researched this topic, and it sounds like it at least stiffens. But, your mileage may vary.

And we tackle the topic of death grip. The infamous condition which enables men to masturbate with hands of steel but then prevents them from orgasming in an appropriate amount of time. What's the solution? And, is the cure worse than the disease?

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/47/penis-expansion

https://ymmv.me/47/death-grip-cure

https://ymmv.me/47/nude-selfie

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Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

[00:00] Keith: Hello and thanks for joining us on your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships. We hope you like our combination of frankness outrageousness and humor as we discuss the important issues of our time like how to cure masturbation Death grip which we'll get to later I am Keith my co-host is Mike Happy Holidays mike.
[00:16] Mike: Thanks Keith Happy holidays to you as well. Yeah.
[00:19] Keith: So kind. So after ah, a one week special where we were offering twenty dollars for any feedback we receive about the show. We've sufficiently drained our coffer so I'm dropping it back down to ten dollars we're still eager for feedback though. So. Just as a reminder we paid 10 bucks for anything we receive at y m m the pod at gmail dot com just let us know how you want to be paid then mo cash app paypal whatever and rate and review the show if you really want to deliver us a holiday miracle um I have an update on the. Anal situation. Are you ready.
[00:54] Mike: Oh yeah, this is gonna be exciting and when you're referring to um, ah your ah impending experience with anal sex.
[01:04] Keith: Yeah, ah it is no longer impending is the update.
[01:09] Mike: Okay, so ah, tell it take us take us through the the details. It's too bad. We don't have the the it was with a woman right? Okay, it's too bad. We don't have the woman here with us to give her bracing description of the of the blow by blow.
[01:17] Keith: But it was yeah.
[01:26] Keith: Um, we've ah discussed having a ride. She's interested in concept. So yeah, maybe we'll do that soon. But for now it's just me.
[01:28] Mike: But yeah.
[01:35] Mike: I'd like to I wouldn't mind. Yeah I wouldn't mind spending 10 to fifteen minutes talking with her about her anus. But but go on. Let's let's hear exactly how this went down.
[01:45] Keith: Um, well it was a beautiful Tuesday and I remember the weather was fifty five degrees. Ah I don't know Meta i.
[01:54] Mike: It was the weather was brown.
[02:01] Keith: I Don't know what to say I mean you know I've I've now had anal sex My my anal virginity is gone gave gave gave just to be clear.
[02:06] Mike: Yeah I think you can say you can say more than that like ah I mean ah so what was the I'll quiz you about it a little bit. What was the ah what was the procedure here was it like um I mean obviously this was sort of a big deal and as an avid listener to the podcast your girlfriend would know. That this was in fact, a novel experience for you. So was some sort of a was a big deal made out of it was it like did you guys have a lot of chocolate to eat the day that day some some sort of brown foods.
[02:26] Keith: Yes, she was aware.
[02:37] Keith: Ah, ah we yeah use the Poop Emoji a lot it or texts with each other. Ah I think she was more interested in doing it than I was which I think is probably unusual. Um.
[02:52] Mike: Okay, why why was she? why.
[02:56] Keith: I Mean the reason why? um.
[03:01] Mike: Yeah, like how did you express this interest like what was you know? I mean it should she keep she like it was it the opposite of like the traditional or like the typical thing of like you know there the she was like so you'd be in the the doggie style position and and she'd keep like kind of on your outward.
[03:17] Keith: She like tilting her tilting her hips in such a way that my my an hor anus is closer. Ah I think she well I know she has had anal sex in previous relationships she has communicated.
[03:17] Mike: Part of your thrust. She'd sort of move her body down in the hopes that you would accidentally penetrate her anus was that she's like trying to I mean how how did you know she was so eager.
[03:37] Keith: That she enjoys it I haven't fully interrogated her about why Perhaps we can do that if we ever on the show. But yeah, and so she had you know, suggested it many a time and I had turned down the opportunity.
[03:45] Mike: Yeah I'd like to do that.
[03:56] Keith: For various reasons. It's just it's never I mean it's just it's it's sort of a strange thing and it's not an obsession of mine which is how I made it to forty 1 years old without having had done it before and I was sort of intellectually curious but not desperate. To sort of find out how it goes.
[04:17] Mike: So but like was so was it like was this a planned occasion or was it just sort of like on the fly you decided? Okay, this time will do I like ah this time she asked and you said okay this is really not how this usually goes by the way. It's not usually the woman begging. Okay.
[04:26] Keith: Is so I know no I really had to be coerced I know yeah I that I appreciate that this was unusual. Well, the coercion wasn't just a single binary event. It was.
[04:36] Mike: Was she naked while she was coercing you.
[04:44] Keith: You know she'd suggested it many times in the past and I and I think her efforts at coercion had been stepped up over the last month or so in particular.
[04:52] Mike: Why was that because of our conversations about it.
[04:56] Keith: Well I think she just correctly ascertained that she was going to have to be more coercive if this was ever going to happen it. It wasn't yeah I wasn't going to just happen across it.
[05:02] Mike: Interesting. Okay, so so but but to the core question here like did you know going into this particular encounter that this was going to be the trip to browntown or was it. Ah yeah.
[05:17] Keith: I think we talked a little bit about this on last episode. Maybe the episode before where I was giving where I was handicapping how likely I thought it was going to be that I was going to have anal sex and in the last in the next month and it was sort of the thing where with every sexual Encounter. You know if I do a sign of score right? before the sexual encounter began the the probability that I thought would have anal sex and any given sexual encounter kept going up until eventually it got to 1 hundred but like before before we started having sex that day I wasn't I wasn't positive that it was going to happen. But.
[05:53] Mike: But I mean wouldn't isn't there So at least some preparation that would be desirable whether on her part or at least from your part of having like a lubricate available.
[05:59] Keith: Um, this is a yeah this this is a good question and I'm considering how much I should reveal here. Ah.
[06:12] Mike: You're not going to tell me that you like gave her some sort of like anal. You irrigated her anus first to her you cleaned out her rectum for her. Are you good.
[06:17] Keith: No, no, it's nothing like that it's that I could notice that she was ah she's a very enthusiastic eater. She really enjoys food. It's it's fun to eat with her and I had noticed recently that she'd been more. Ah. Conservative in her eating habits and I kind of wondered if that was because she didn't want to feel bloated or have things going on in her I mean I guess this conversation's happening have things going on in her colon that you know. Might not happen if you eat less.
[06:55] Mike: Well I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but the ah the food that would be relevant for that would be all food consumed say within the forty 8 or probably significantly fewer than forty 8 hours prior to your experience. But you're saying that she actually changed her eating habits well before that.
[07:04] Keith: Yeah.
[07:10] Keith: Um, I mentioned this to her I mentioned like why? Skip you know, an extra serving of cheese for a sexual encounter that's likely to happen in the next few hours I mean the the cheese isn't going to have made it to your colon yet right? It's still in your still in your stomach.
[07:26] Mike: You guys had this commerce. You had this conversation.
[07:27] Keith: And so like why does that even matter what what matters I did yeah what matters is your preparation in the you know 24 to forty 8 hours beforehand right so right I think that's right I think she's sort of conceded the point but also pointed out that we'd really we really need to have I run for this.
[07:37] Mike: And she said.
[07:47] Keith: Gonna be great but she she would say that certain overindulgence overindulging will make her feel bloated or feel less ready to receive.
[08:02] Mike: All right? This is getting pretty gross but like the so okay, so so then you're saying basically it in some sort of relatively spontaneous fashion. It came up in your encounter. Okay now.
[08:13] Keith: Yeah, but I suspect she I suspect it was less spontaneous to her than it appeared to me for example, for example, she had Lube with her.
[08:19] Mike: Now but I mean typically yeah and who who lubricated what.
[08:30] Keith: Ah, she lubricated her asshole and my cock.
[08:36] Mike: Oh got it got it. She did her own she she did everything she was lubing everything up. Okay now I guess I guess fine now.
[08:42] Keith: Oh Actually I just remembered I just remembered something else that is relevant. Ah yeah, Okay, so in the interest of full disclosure I was not the most sober version of myself when this encounter happened and so. My actual recollection of it is is is there but it's a little muted but 1 thing I remember is ah she had a butt plug with her and when when.
[09:13] Mike: When you say with her you mean in her possession or actually in her anus.
[09:21] Keith: Initially in her possession later in her anus.
[09:23] Mike: How what was the diameter in say inches of the butt plug.
[09:27] Keith: It was the standard butt plug that you see like when people have and butt plugs are not a very conservative thing but the most conservative version is it's like a tapered it looks like a spade you know from from like ah from cards. Ah, and.
[09:42] Mike: Right.
[09:45] Keith: And it looked like that and it has you know of course has a jewel on the end because I guess that makes it more late lady like ah the butt plug itself I believe was pink and the and the jewel was like pink glass or plastic. It's probably plastic.
[09:49] Mike: What a color was her jewel.
[09:58] Mike: Got it and okay and so there was some part of your play that involved you or 1 of you jamming that into her butt.
[10:05] Keith: Yes, her if my recollection serves I don't know if jam is the word placed.
[10:09] Mike: She jamed in a door but okay and then you later I think no I think there's their verbs that go with nouns and the verb that goes with butt plug is Stepway jam the okay so so.
[10:22] Keith: Ah.
[10:26] Mike: So you who who had to so it's like ah it's like a it's like a jar. It's like I'm imagining um like a jar of honey that needs to be opened by Winnie the pooh so who had to pull out the butt plug to then put in your cock who pulled it out who uncorked.
[10:39] Keith: Yeah I don't remember I suspect it was me but I don't remember I don't remember I would I would rather not disclose that.
[10:46] Mike: That's too bad. Okay, it sounds like there was no condom used also. Okay, okay so you put semen indoor in your rectum. That's cool. Um I'm just gonna assume the answers. No.
[11:00] Keith: But that that cannot be that cannot be that cannot be confirmed nor denied based on the information I've provided.
[11:06] Mike: Not well. Okay, but but it's it's safe to say that that was the final set Final scene of the play that was your sex play. There was you in her anus. You didn't then go ass to mouth asked of Vagina you finished in the ass. Okay.
[11:20] Keith: Correct right? so.
[11:24] Mike: So yeah, so give you I mean so the thing people really want to hear is like here is your impressions I mean you've had a lot of experience with other orifices like can you give people like maybe a thirty second a review of the anus.
[11:27] Keith: Right.
[11:34] Keith: I can but it's going to be lame because my recollection is not great and also it was yeah you know it was It was good. It wasn't mind blowing. It didn't feel that different I could actually imagine not.
[11:42] Mike: You're just gonna say it was It was good.
[11:53] Keith: I can imagine someone making the mistake and not being certain that they had made that mistake I'd I'd always thought that that was preposterous in the past when I like read it online like oh we put it in the wrong hole or whatever. But I now think that there is a certain set of conditions that could occur where you might be confused. 1 might be confused.
[12:12] Mike: I think that ah that ah keith I'm sorry to say this but I think that does reveal something about the length of your penis because 1 of the reasons why I disagree with that is that like there are sensations to the at the tip of your penis that involve kind of.
[12:29] Keith: Toward the end toward the end I see.
[12:32] Mike: Bottoming out. Yes, bottoming out in the vagina that does like an an anus feels like an infinitely deep vagina so that's where I think there's a different there's a there's a couple other differences I think it it did it. But.
[12:42] Keith: There's no, there's no pushback when you're when you're ball steep in the way that there is in Shallow vaginas.
[12:48] Mike: Correct correct. Um, okay, and and the other question of course is like okay so she you know this is a little frustrating I mean I think you're gonna need to do this again sober but the um, the other question is like so she's super into it.
[13:00] Keith: I intend to I mean it's on the ah it's on the to do list.
[13:05] Mike: Good. So she's she's she wanted this to happen really badly like so was there something awesome that what was the the main position was it ah were you facing each other.
[13:14] Keith: These are good questions where we facing each other? No ah no I don't think so I don't.
[13:19] Mike: Okay, so that so it was in the in the dog is as it were okay and the question is like did she really enjoy it like was it was It was it like oh yeah, this is totally worth it or was it kind of like she you know like yeah I mean she wanted it so like was there something great that happened for her.
[13:35] Keith: Um I was talking to her the next morning and I was expressing disappointment that Ah so yeah, our listeners probably don't know this about me but when I drink and I don't really need to drink to excess. But even when I drink like sort of a moderate amount of Alcohol. My memory gets really really really hazy and my recollection of her experience is not great and of course she was like oh it was great. I was I'm really excited. You know we've done that now you know I'm looking forward to doing it again. That's what she said, but. I Think she's a very nice kind person. She wouldn't she wouldn't say otherwise and so I wish I could remember better What my impression of her experience at the time was.
[14:22] Mike: Right? And she's not going to say something new like ah yeah, you know it's too bad the it's too bad. The butt plug was wider than your cock and that your cock felt like a little a little pencil sliding in and out. Yeah.
[14:31] Keith: Right? right? She's not gonna be like oh your penis was so small like this is this is just confirms everything I was thought like I was hoping anal would like change things and not nothing say anything like that.
[14:39] Mike: Okay, okay, yeah I mean because I yeah I would like to ask her like what I mean this this business of women really being into anal is a little perplexing because it's like for a man like there's this. Ah you know, argument around prostate stimulation. But for a woman like. Anything you're going to come up with other than just sort of psychological kind of you know Submissiveness is going to be like some kind of very oblique stimulation. It's like hard to understand why a woman would directly would directly want that.
[15:11] Keith: Um, yeah.
[15:12] Mike: I mean because yeah I can understand way more why a guy would want it because it's like guys aren't typically penetrated. Okay, so it's like yes, something's penetrating me but a woman like it's like yeah, it's just like a couple inches different location. So it's like really.
[15:24] Keith: Um, I think there's also a like pain aspect although using Lube in a butt plug can mitigate that some extent.
[15:30] Mike: Yes. Yeah, so I mean we're replacing you know this conversation I think is going to replace our typical porn viewing segment but actually ah 1 of the porn I'd forgotten this but 1 of the porn styles that I considered bringing up and maybe next episode we can do This is something called Panal. You heard of this.
[15:52] Keith: Um, yes I did I've I've heard that word before but I think I've just seen it used and chuckled to myself a little bit I haven't I don't know is does it describe an actual genre.
[15:53] Mike: P A I n a L have you seen a pain old porn.
[16:03] Mike: Um, I know it's yeah, it's and it's a it's a thing you can look up on porn hub I've added it to our list of topics actually for future episodes because I think it would be a reasonable 1 to look at yeah and it's basically like okay.
[16:15] Keith: Things to cover.
[16:23] Mike: So as always for me in watching these things like the thing I don't like about it is I find that I'm ah I'm a bit of a connoisseur of the um panic responses of people or fear or.
[16:33] Keith: Ah.
[16:37] Mike: You know these these these emotional responses like a little bit of an emotional leech I'm looking for the real response which is why I like sort of amateur real seeming porn.
[16:40] Keith: Right? I mean we were talking about we we were talking about before we recorded the extent of some of that stuff that we actually found a topic that we cannot repeat on the show. But yes, okay yes, you do enjoy seeing ah consuming other suffering.
[16:51] Mike: Sure.
[16:57] Mike: Well can see I I'm not sure if enjoy is the right word but like I it matters it matters to me whether it seems real or not and so anyway the the premise of panal is of course that like the man the woman for whatever reason it's not typically like oh.
[17:01] Keith: And joy is not the right word find interesting.
[17:17] Mike: A rape scene. It's not that. But it's the like you know she's capitulating to the guy's demand for for anal and it's it's painful for her and and then but of course exactly but of course the problem is that typically in these porns like the woman is.
[17:20] Keith: I see I see it hurts right.
[17:30] Mike: Saying thing it just doesn't sound realistic like you're thinking yourself now this is she's she's not feeling anything. She's just like yelling these nonsensical things is this not timed well right? exactly right? So her you know, right.
[17:33] Keith: Yes, that the acting is not good. It's incongruous with what they're purporting. They're feeling now. Okay, okay, well yeah, all right? We'll watch 1 next week and we can. We can judge the ah the acting quality. Ah so.
[17:47] Mike: Sure sure.
[17:51] Keith: Have a number of topics from Reddit to cover this week ah maybe I should start with the 1 I teased in the intro just to make sure we get to it so this guy claims that he has cured death grip mike can you remind our audience. What death grip is.
[18:08] Mike: Yeah, death group is something that afflicts both men and women. There should be a different name for the female version I feel like I came up with a name at 1 point but um, for for men. Yeah, it may come to me but for men.
[18:18] Keith: I do too I don't remember what it is maybe a listener could write in or remind us.
[18:28] Mike: It's when you beat off too much like kind of holding your cock tightly and so then it's like you the more gentle stimulation of like a vagina or whatever is not enough and and this often leads to like the guy just either not being a little orgasm at all or like just taking like an hour. And often like look this is part of I Think what's going on in porn when the guy like is getting a blow and has to pull out or like ah yeah I mean like in any situation to porn they they typically pull out to nut I mean part of it's viagra being in front of cameras but part of it may be death grip. Anyway,, there's an equivalent 1 for women. Typically it's a woman who learns to masturbate. Like maybe pushing against pillows or something on her bed kind of squeezing between her legs or something and this it becomes hard for her to like get there with other stimulation.
[19:10] Keith: I Think Also yeah I think Also if they get used to the vibration motor of a vibrator the the sort of intensity of that vibration and the and the the hurts of the the the frequency of the vibration is sort of hard to reproduce from a man. And so it can get to a point. Yeah.
[19:30] Mike: That's a great point Keith Maybe that's actually the more common for whatever reason like you see it more on the various female only subreddits. They're female. Plus Mike I'm there to women anytime you're in a space that's women only just assume I'm there because I. I am I'm a I'm in the locker room anyway. So So so let's see I. Yeah, yeah, anyway, but the typical way you hear this is the pushing against things but but the vibrator 1 Ne's a great point like that a woman could also have that version of death grip.
[19:50] Keith: For your.
[20:03] Keith: Yeah, okay, all right thanks for that intro. So this person says hello throw away a account here I'm a 23 year old male but wanted to celebrate getting my death cryp issues resolved last night with my fiancee of 5 years fiancee of 5 years he's 23 maybe he means girlfriend and ne fiancee yeah mean imagine all the things that he could have been doing for the last five years anyway. Not only was I giddy as fuck after but it was literally the best orgasm I've had in my life. My favorite part was seeing her so pleased with herself as she began to feel perturbed.
[20:21] Mike: It's too bad too bad he should have some more experiences.
[20:39] Keith: Thinking it was her fault when I couldn't orgasm after I finished her we laid there completely dumbfounded and gave each other a fist bump after I finished her so here's another man who who's ah partner is orgasming after he finishes all right. That's not what we're here to talk about though. Yeah.
[20:46] Mike: I know. Yeah, and he also said had began just get some so grammar issues and he's he's letting the he's He's nutting before the woman gets off and that's just he's got everything fucked Up. He's got death Death grip. This guy should just start any and he's getting he got engaged at 18.
[20:58] Keith: I don't know which issue is is more intolerable.
[21:08] Keith: Right? So I wanted to thank this subreddit too been lurking for a bit but gathered some helpful insight from other posts found what worked best for me was cutting out porn slash masturbation for a week yesh I don't know if I could do that gently reintroduce with another.
[21:09] Mike: What's wrong with this guy. Yeah.
[21:24] Mike: Week.
[21:25] Keith: Hand slash technique hedge in the morning. An attempt to to orgasm at night 3 times per week without any visual stimulation. This has been ongoing problem for years now but showed results after 3 weeks. Okay, so all right? he did he cut out porn masturbation for a week and he gently reintroduced with another hand slash technique now I don't know if he means another person's hand or his same hand but he's now you know, stroking differently. But.
[21:56] Mike: It's definitely his his hand and he's he's using a different technique. He's trying to like he basically reading between the lines here like he you know death grip He was holding his penis tightly. Yes.
[22:03] Keith: Yeah, okay, all right? So he's using a ah different grip if you went from Forehand to Backhand or something. Ah then he said he edged in the morning. What does? what? Okay so he he begins masturbating with his new Backhand grip.
[22:11] Mike: Yeah.
[22:18] Mike: He gave himself blue balls is what he did. Yeah.
[22:22] Keith: Okay, and then attempt to orgasm at night 3 times per week without any visual stimulation. Okay, all right I see what he's doing here all right? So he's he didn't masturbate for a week and then he began masturbating again with this weird note no visual stimulation. He would edge in the morning but not get himself to to orgasm and then he would orgasm at night. Ah but should results after 3 weeks. Can't wait for more Hopefully it keeps getting better. Um.
[22:42] Mike: This doesn't sound sound like fun at all. Yeah.
[22:57] Mike: It's just this is just this is just a consequence of like a fucked up society. It's like look if instead if instead of this his solution could have been like saying let's say let's say all like happy ending massage parlors were legalized. He could have simply gone. 3 times a week and got a massage from some woman who would like beat him off with like lube and like a gentle grip that would have solved it too. It would have just been a lot more fun, but no, he has to go through this crazy bullshit because he can't you know because ah you know, but.
[23:24] Keith: Yeah, he's gonna like write a book about the specific 10 step program to get rid of death grip.
[23:29] Mike: Oh No I'm but I'm complaining about I'm complaining about the fact that like men men's men's like solutions to men's look the solution to men's sexual problems usually is just having an orgasm in 1 way or another but you see like that like the 1 thing you can't do. There's like 3 things you can't pay someone for and this is 1 of them and then I'm complaining about that.
[23:52] Keith: Do you think I mean yeah I've never had an issue with death rape. But it seems like there's sort of 2 problems here. The first is this visual stimulation component and the second is the physical stimulation component.
[24:11] Mike: I Bet you look look keith you have a problem with the visual stimulation component. Let me let me give you a tip right? Yeah, okay so that is yeah yeah, so that's 1
[24:12] Keith: And here he's addressing. Both.
[24:17] Keith: For sure for sure I mean I Love Porn and I think I I tire of ah repeat sexual partners after some point sooner than most. And that's got to be a visual thing. It's not that they're like Vagina doesn't feel good anymore. I don't I don't have that problem.
[24:38] Mike: It's actually ah you you're entering the next phase of your life which is when you tire after partners like 4 sessions after you first have anal with them.
[24:44] Keith: Oh hopefully that doesn't happen fingers crossed here knock on wood.
[24:48] Mike: Um, um, yeah, yeah, but I think I think to be fair here here's what I'll say about that you're saying you don't have a problem with death gri. Let let me ask you this in a typical let's say Con No condom vaginal sex session. Let's say you wanted to come.
[25:06] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[25:07] Mike: Quickly How fast do you think you had come just your dick in the vagina you're not allowed to like pull it out and beat off on it.
[25:13] Keith: I think it's actually bimodal like I think when I first get in there I have to get over this little cliff and if I'm not careful I'll I'll come quickly and then there's sort of like a long trough of arousal. It's not that's not arousal it's long trough of closeness I'm not that close to orgasm and then and then like as time goes by it starts going up again.
[25:39] Mike: So I actually think you said something insightful there which is that like so what? What do you think that? So let's why I'm actually more interested in the the second version but let's just talk about the first 1 for a second here so right at the beginning I usually think that's because of a relative. Ah.
[25:46] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[25:55] Mike: Sorry ladies but a relative lack of lubrication. Yeah, so ah, as opposed to it. It might be a little tighter but I actually think it's just purely that like you're yeah like getting a lot more sensation but let's let's go ahead. Yeah.
[25:55] Keith: I Wonder if the friction's better I've thought this too.
[26:05] Keith: Um, I mean it's also it's also um, like the human body has various different systems and some of the systems are sensitive to the state and some of the systems are sensitive to the change in State. So the nose for example. When you enter a flower shop you notice the change in smell it smells very good. It smells like flowers. You notice that for like your first like 5 breaths and then you don't really notice it anymore your body sort of normalizes. It. So your your nose notices like the change in State. It could be that your penis is sort of the same like when you first enter, it's new. Ah there's the the excitement of being there and you know, but after a while it sort of gets used to the new environment I'm not sure but I don't think it's just that the friction and wetness is different and or tightness it. It could some of it is that but I think also. The the newness and the the excitement of like first entering someone enhances arousal.
[27:08] Mike: Yeah I think that's a reasonable supposition but let's yeah I bet let's talk about though the like. So for the second part after you've gotten across that I'm assuming that like hump only takes like under a minute to get over typically the newness hump is that right.
[27:22] Keith: Yeah I think a minute sounds like the right? Yeah yeah I think that's right.
[27:27] Mike: Okay, so once you get over the minute. What is the fastest you think you could get the get the old nut out.
[27:34] Keith: I mean it depends if it's a new partner soon. But I think it's fast I think it's fast, but it depends on how recently I've masturbated to.
[27:45] Mike: Yeah, so maybe you don't have much of a death cryp thing like that that's like like um, yeah once you get into that. Yeah I mean I think I think that would be the question. It's like it's like if it's if it's if it's like 1 minute after the 1 minute hump that's pretty fast but if it's like. Like hi would take me at least seven minutes then that's starting your your 2010 or 15 now it's you know.
[28:04] Keith: Um, yeah I don't I don't think I've I don't think I much have the classic death grip problem for better or worse.
[28:10] Mike: I See you have the opposite the premature ejaculator problem.
[28:16] Keith: Yeah, but I I think I I think I can manage it I don't think it's something that affects my partner very much although I've I've thought it could be fun if you could get a partner to sign up for this and I'd be even embarrassed to ask a partner but you could. Could play a game where like ah I am curious How many orgasms I could have in a single day and it would be if if I had a partner that was gung Ho on this project. It would be fun if she would let me use them to. Figure out how many times I could. And importantly I don't yeah so you don't want you, you want your sex sessions to be as short as possible so that you can get back to refracting as quickly as Possible. It's so.
[29:05] Mike: Well I mean I think I think unfortunately Keith well maybe fortunately depending on the way you look at this the way to you would in order to maximize that number you would absolutely have to engage the coolidge effect right.
[29:18] Keith: Yeah I know I know.
[29:20] Mike: And the coolidge effect would require the coolge effect for our listeners is the fact that even right very close to orgasm during the refractory period when you're not really excited if a new Yes, if a new woman like who's ready to have sex shows up men actually.
[29:30] Keith: Yeah, after orgasm.
[29:39] Mike: This is not a thing that like most men get to try out life. But right right? but like but you're able to get an erection and be aroused very quickly thereafter Apparently and so yeah, the way you would I think the way you would absolutely maximize that number would be if you had.
[29:42] Keith: Yeah, maybe like the the pharaoh or like Bruce springsteen or something.
[29:59] Mike: A list of fifty women or 30 women who were each willing to come in to the room. You know 1 after another and then offer you sex.
[30:08] Keith: Do you think? Ah, well do you think that the right strategy is to stack up as many orgasms early in the day as possible or is it better to spread them out throughout the day.
[30:25] Mike: It's impossible for me to think about Oh well, it depends on whether I could engage the the coolidge effect if I could do that probably doesn't matter the other way like I mean I think I would have to spread them out because I don't think that. Ah yeah I mean after maybe.
[30:25] Keith: If if you returned.
[30:35] Keith: Um, oh because the coolidge effect isn't actually I mean you can sort of simulate the coolidge effect by um, maybe a couple months before this project spending a week collecting some really great porn stuff. You know you're like.
[30:52] Mike: Ah, now it's really hard and I'll tell you why because first a couple things 1 is that like they're like the there's some sort of ratio between the value of a new porn and a new human and it's got to be like 1000 to 1 or something and the second 1 is that like.
[30:54] Keith: And then you know you have to let some time go by so you sort of forget about it. Yeah.
[31:06] Keith: I Know I agree I don't know. Okay.
[31:11] Mike: If I've seen the porn then it's no longer novel right? So then someone else has to I still would remember it like my memory has most men's I think for for this stuff is really strong.
[31:13] Keith: Yeah, that's why I was thinking you have to do this months in advance.
[31:22] Keith: Okay, mine is too but I can forward project whether I think I'm going to like a porn just by watching you know, just by watching it for like twenty seconds
[31:32] Mike: But all I have to do is see the woman and then she's no longer novel. It's an interesting I think it's a worthy objective here to try to like? yeah.
[31:36] Keith: Yeah, look all all of these things are considerations. Yeah I mean we're we're we're arguing around the edges here. Um.
[31:42] Mike: I Think you I think the trick. The trick here is and I think this would be absolutely worthy thing to investigate is if you could get your girlfriend to be willing to have sex with you and then have a friend come In. It's like a threesome.. It's a different style of threesome. I Think that would be a worthwhile thing to do to to actually test out this effect on your own cock or maybe you have sex with your girlfriend twice. So You're really kind of pretty fatigued and then have the other girl come in.
[32:06] Keith: Yeah I mean the issue isn't going to be on the first couple orgasms. It's going to be you know on you know four plus that's when you really need the the extra oomph.
[32:16] Mike: Oh I hear you but I think it would be separate from like the trying to max out the number be per day which is less interesting to me because I know that like number like 7 isn't going to feel good anyway. But I think it would be I think it would be compelling like if you were looking for some sort of like a a christmas present or a birthday present that you're.
[32:25] Keith: Ah, yeah.
[32:34] Mike: Girlfriend could give you like there's the canonical like the typical like threesome but this is actually a more y M M V version of the threeome where it's like hey I'm going to do some research here so you get you have the sex with your girlfriend and then the other party partner comes in af right? after like she gets a text or something comes in and then you can see. Coolidge effect. You can have the experience of it. Be a really cool present.
[32:54] Keith: I I think it would be hard. It would be a nice gift I think it it would be hard to convince this third that they're going to come in. Ah, the man may not be able to get aroused because he just had an orgasm mean hopefully will because of the coolitch effect but you know.
[33:11] Mike: Women women can be very scientific Keith women can be very scientific like I think like and honestly here's the other thing. The woman wouldn't have to like have p I V sex with you. She just needs to come in and disrobe and like be interested.
[33:13] Keith: I Think it's a tough sell. It can be. It can be.
[33:26] Keith: That's an interesting thought she's just there to basically provide visual stimulus. Although knowing that might make it less stimulating.
[33:27] Mike: Yeah.
[33:35] Mike: Well, you don't know that right. It's been set up by your girlfriend but whatever.
[33:38] Keith: No I know but when I when I'm actually having the sex I guess it would presumably be with my girlfriend at this point.
[33:44] Mike: I think that I think and you can correct me if I'm wrong. But I think that if let's take the following 2 situations 1 you're having missionary sex with your girlfriend and you have an orgasm and then the second 1 is you're having missionary with sex with your girlfriend but there is a another girl there.
[33:57] Keith: Um, right right? Yeah yes, everything else being equal I agree but the question is yeah but Mike the question is.
[34:00] Mike: Who has her top off and she's rubbing your face in her boobs I think in the second when your orgasm quality would be like 1 or 2 points out of 10 higher just from those boobs in your face of another woman. Yeah, this is what you should exactly so it's like so you're getting a lot of it.
[34:16] Keith: How much higher would it be if I was actually sleeping with that person. Yes, whoa.
[34:18] Mike: The second woman I think not much higher I actually think that I actually think that I think that you get most of the value of ah of of of like ah another partner from that. Yeah from the section.
[34:28] Keith: By the physical presence. Not necessarily difference in Vagina feel or whatever.
[34:35] Mike: Sexually in yeah 1 hundred percent from the sexually interested presence like she's just sitting there like wearing a suit like with a notepad or something that's less compelling. Although even that's kind of compelling to be honest, but like but like yeah know if she's if she's naked or largely naked and sort of like engaged or interested like that. Yeah.
[34:43] Keith: Yeah, fair enough. Yeah.
[34:54] Mike: So I mean I think you that's the other thing is like when people like talk about a 3 limit's like I don't think you have to like go that far for the guy to get almost all the value out of it anyway.
[35:00] Keith: Sure but you're dropping the value to basically zero for the third.
[35:06] Mike: No, because it's because for her it's like not a big deal. It's like she's just like she doesn't like look look Keith like women don't Yeah, the only okay look so I mean okay.
[35:12] Keith: It's just ten minutes out of her day. She doesn't actually have to have sex.
[35:19] Mike: The only the only real value. A woman gets out of an M f f threesome is getting to have lesbian sex with the other woman like she doesn't like no woman are you gonna disagree.
[35:24] Keith: Here We go No I'm not but that's because we've covered the scratch So many times I could.
[35:32] Mike: Okay, yeah, so no woman, no woman's like yeah my my fantasy my fantasy is to be in a room with a parrot with a couple you know like a committed couple and like have sex with the guy. Also it's like who would have that fantasy as a woman. It's really hard to imagine like it's kind of like it's kind of.
[35:46] Keith: Yeah.
[35:52] Mike: Think about it like how she feels the next day. It's like she's like oh well, that other girl gets to be with the guy and I'm like alone.
[35:56] Keith: Okay, I'm not going to offer I'm not going to offer a strong defense here I think some women would argue that they do like the brief period of sexual stimulation that a man can offer them.
[36:09] Mike: Yeah, no, you're you're you're basically saying that some women like sex. Yes, yes, they do but like it's much less compelling if it's like a one night stand that's like pretty much 1 hundred percent obvious from people who've interacted with women and it's ah.
[36:21] Keith: Right? right.
[36:26] Mike: And and like it's like how can you make a one night stand worse. Oh here's an idea he's actually with the other woman that's there. So I think that for women like the most compelling element is definitely the.
[36:31] Keith: Right? right? right? right? Yeah, but yeah, but a super a super sex positive woman would say ah those situations are actually more analogous than you think because they're. Just there for the sex. So whether there's another woman that can make it a little bit more interesting or whether it's a one night stands they they're already not that disinterested because they're just there for the sex. Uninterested.
[36:58] Mike: Wait. Ah so you're I'm I'm gonna reject the the notion of a woman being just there for the sex I'm gonna just go ahead and reject that as being a category.
[37:07] Keith: I I had I understand I understand your opinion on this I'm just I'm parent I'm parroting what a super sex positive woman might say.
[37:12] Mike: Yeah, even a man even for a man. Yeah, even for a man. It's a little hard to just just 1 hundred percent. Be there for the sex like that's even for a man that's like a little weird because it's kind of like sociopathic but for a woman that's really weird like there's usually some other dimension to an encounter.
[37:29] Keith: Prime I agree I agree ah all right? Well if you want to cure death grip. You can find this guy's post which will be on our show notes. Ah this person says sometimes my penis gets way bigger than it normally is a little context here I'm 26 I'm a 26 year old male.
[37:31] Mike: So yeah.
[37:36] Mike: Yeah.
[37:42] Mike: I Like this.
[37:48] Keith: And a super healthyal relationship with my other half 25 year old female and geez. He's already calling or that what is this guy shee man and even though we haven't you know he'd probably show this to her and you know so he had to like carefully choose his language to not demean her.
[37:52] Mike: That's that's how you know it's healthy. That's how you know it's healthy when they say my relationship's healthy. Yeah good. No.
[38:06] Keith: And even though we haven't been having that much time to have sex lately because of our jobs. It's not great Either people make time to have sex when they want to like.
[38:11] Mike: Way way way way wait are you are you going after the sex or the fact that they have jobs. Okay, good agreed agreed I Just want to be clear.
[38:16] Keith: Um, make both sound lame. Let's be honest, ah I don't believe that they're not having sex because they're busy I think it's something else when we get the chance to stay together for a day. It is always amazing and we enjoy it a lot. Yeah, he's really overselling huh. I have a normal penis while erect it gets to something around 5 to 6 inches max like he doesn't know if it's 5 or 6 that's that's also unbelievable. Every single man knows knows it like to the to the sixteenth of an itch. Yeah right.
[38:39] Mike: Yeah, what an asshole. Yeah oh my my my cock is between 3 and nine nine inches long. It's like oh game. Ah, ah.
[38:53] Keith: But boy oh boy, what? I'm really excited things significantly change in a better way I don't actually know what might have happened Yesterday but I couldn't even get it into her because of how hard and again significantly Bigger. It was rather than the other normal times she noticed this and told me as soon as we were switching positions and I noticed it too. It was way better. It was greater. It was more exciting for. For the 2 of us I'm writing this post to ask if you guys if this has ever happened to you and if it has is there any way to let it happen more frequently like controlling even though it might not be the best word for it.
[39:22] Mike: It's so wait wait so wait So he wants to his question is how do I make my cock bigger. Okay, okay.
[39:27] Keith: Yes, That's yeah, the hardness of your pitis which would result it slightly improved sizes just a little bit made and makes the difference I'm generally always excited and my girlfriend really turns me on but sometimes it's different I would like to genuinely know your opinions on this. And knowing I'm not showing off or something like that. Thank you for your time. Ah.
[39:46] Mike: No, he's not. He's not nothing about this post but said showing off to me he he he he has a he has a yeah I would go with 4 point.
[39:51] Keith: Like his penise is his is a five point zero zero zero inches um it's it's yeah it so it's it's a set including these numbers. He does say around 5 to 6
[40:04] Mike: Four point five arounds up to 5 He has a small penis. He has a girlfriend who's too busy I hear you and he's super excited that like the 1 time his girlfriend would have sex with him. He found a position where his penis got slightly larger.
[40:10] Keith: Which which implies possibly below 5
[40:21] Keith: Um, I don't yeah that I yeah sorry for reading this is clearly a Bo Ah why? Ah okay, my penis does not materially change size like it's sometimes it's harder than others but like it doesn't There's no like.
[40:22] Mike: Um, pretty jealous.
[40:39] Keith: Material difference in length or Girth I Don't think.
[40:41] Mike: I don't I can't so mine I think I I feel like I remember and I might even have reported this on the podcast like doing some measurements at different ah different points in the arousal process to try to figure out and I think it did get like a little bit longer.
[40:54] Keith: The stimulation process. Yeah.
[41:00] Mike: It's hard to measure like with like enough precision for it to matter it certainly wasn't like more than a quarter inch different. Um, but I have noticed like there is this effect that I have noticed and it's particular to positions where your penis is below your body which is most positions other than like sitting in a chair masturbating.
[41:02] Keith: Right? right.
[41:19] Mike: Ah, no I Guess if the woman's on top anyway. But where where it does seem a bit bigger and I always ascribe that to like blood flow like you know it basically like yeah, there's just more blood in there and so like it it? yeah.
[41:19] Keith: Mm.
[41:28] Keith: Yeah I mean look the top. The top response is bad but blood flow do more cardio better response eat beats for the nitric oxide. You want good blood flow in other 1 says cock ring would probably work I think what's going on is this guy doesn't normally get or doesn't always get fully erected.
[41:40] Mike: That's weird.
[41:46] Keith: And yeah, there's various things you can do Yeah, that's basically a cockering.
[41:46] Mike: When I was a kid I put a rubber band around my cock. Yeah, it didn't go well like it I remember deciding that was a mistake and I didn't do it again now because of that experience with the rubber band.
[41:57] Keith: Have you ever worn a cock ring. Yeah.
[42:04] Mike: It didn't it looked weird afterward like it's like the it looked like I had verricose veins in my cock or something this is when I was like 15 so I was like this isn't that I stopped doing that.
[42:14] Keith: I I experimented with cock rings for a little while I haven't used I haven't used 1 in years now. Mike I am a I'm a scientist I want to understand what the different. Ah.
[42:20] Mike: That's because you are insecure about your penis length right? You were cool.
[42:30] Keith: Realms of sensation are as it pertains to sex and so I decided to.
[42:31] Mike: Well wouldn't you So I have a question though when you I know I know that you were doing it to make your penis longer The um so let's just assume that that's the case because it it is the um, the so.
[42:36] Keith: Ah, you can make that assumption I am I'm not conceding that point. Go continue.
[42:45] Mike: Is there like an opposite of a cocking that I could use to make mine shorter because it's too long. But anyway the the um well then it's just not erect. But but anyway the hang on did the ah wouldn't the presence of the ring basically cut off like half an inch effectively because you can't put the ring in.
[42:49] Keith: Yeah, alcohol. Yeah well.
[43:04] Mike: Does the ring go inside the chick the woman, the lady, the female.
[43:05] Keith: Right? Ah, this is an excellent question. There are there are 2 ways that people wear cock rings 1 is they put it around their shaft and and slide it all the way to the bottom. The other is they put it around their shaft and scrotum and I've never tried that.
[43:23] Mike: That seems like it would hurt because it would make your nuts I've I've seen this in porns by the way I've also seen the porn just so people don't send it to me where the guy puts his cock and the Romans vagina and his balls in her ass I've seen that porn. So don't send it the Ah yeah, okay, so so you're gonna argue that the.
[43:24] Keith: But.
[43:41] Mike: Cochckering that goes around the nuts and the cock It doesn't doesn't block up as much length or something.
[43:43] Keith: I Think that might be part of the reason but still you have the problem of the ring on the top of your shaft even in that circumstance. Ah, the ring itself.
[43:51] Mike: Yeah, you could just instead put an Ace bandage around the whole thing and sort of tighten that down it would make your make a little rough.
[44:01] Keith: Um, ah yes, it would no the what the ring does it. Also it also acts as a cock sleeve in that case gives gives you a little extra girth. Ah.
[44:06] Mike: Mummy Mummy Style You could fuck mummy style. Okay, go on. Yes right? I Just I I Just want to fuck I Just want to fuck the a bandage here honey just lie there.
[44:20] Keith: Um, so I did a little research about cock rings back when I was in my experimental days. Apparently it restricts blood flow out more than it restricts blood flow in so you end up with a net more blood flow. And your penis and yeah people like it because it helps them maintain their erections and you know it can also make things more sensitive I didn't like them. It's It's a little bit like if you if you wear like I don't know like have you ever.
[44:42] Mike: I see.
[44:55] Keith: Don't wear any jewelry but you know sometimes I'll like try on like a friend's ring or something and even if I just have a ring that's a little bit too tight around my finger even just for a few moments I start feeling sort of anxious. Um I just don't like the feeling of like blood restriction anywhere in my body. Um.
[45:05] Mike: Sure. Yeah, you can get.. It's like it's like that Tv show my 600 pound life. Those people are constantly getting like parts of their body stuck stuck in things. It's so gross.
[45:18] Keith: Right? Yeah, can't can't relate there. But yeah, good analogy I mean the other thing is the other thing is when you wear a cock ring in you orgasm because there's you know some restriction into your penis. It just. Yeah, just the the orgasm feels kind of weird Anyway I didn't like it. Yeah I'm trying to think where does the Ah what is what is the tube that that brings the semen into the chapter your of your penis Called. Do you remember? well.
[45:37] Mike: Oh really can you describe that more. How does how does I'm interested in that in altering orgasm feeling.
[45:50] Mike: The eurethra.
[45:54] Keith: That's what the semen comes down but what's what's the tube that like brings the semen from your this is getting this is getting embarrassing quickly. Yeah, okay so wait. Okay, where is the semen stored. Um, um.
[45:59] Mike: Oh no, this is gonna be bad. Bad men's anatomy. Let's hear the bad bad men's Anatomy keith.
[46:11] Mike: Well I mean Semen is composed of multiple you're talking, you're you're talking about the prostate right.
[46:13] Keith: I'm quizzing you I'm not I'm not asking but does it go from the balls to the process. This is this is really embarrassing. Okay, the testicles produce the semen right.
[46:24] Mike: No, so yeah, this is I had another friend that talked about this once and and he he had this mis ah mis misapprehension and I was like look I mean it would be cool if this was how it worked but no, if it worked that way then like when you after you nutted your balls would be all deflated but they don't right I mean they're sort of solid. Ah.
[46:39] Keith: No I don't think they're stored there. Well I don't know if they're stored there are produced in the testicles. Yeah.
[46:44] Mike: Just said. Okay, yeah, so this so there's the sperm cells the things that like make babies. Yeah, that's why you can have a vasectomy where they just mess around with the little tube in the testicles but that's in your prostate.
[46:51] Keith: Okay, but the seminal fluid is produced somewhere else. That's okay, that's produced in your prostate and then.
[46:58] Mike: Well I don't know if it's pretty. It might be stored in the prostate but that's but it's it's in that general vicinity and then there's tubes that connect the testicles to the the prostate to deliver that and so they correct and and actually interestingly there's an interesting piece of information that I can give you.
[47:05] Keith: And then and then subsequently the prostate to the urethra.
[47:17] Mike: Hopefully hopefully the result of this will be that for the next like 10 years when you masturbate you'll think of me at this moment each time. Ah when you how interesting you have to give them once that have like a particular design on it.
[47:22] Keith: God This is why I like giving April Ed sheetets for their as a wedding gift because then every time they have sex for forevermore on those sheets. They'll think of me.
[47:37] Mike: Like somehow remind some of you or something if it's just white. That's not going to do it right? Yeah, ah so so so like there's this moment they call it the moment of Orgasmic inevitability I don't know if women have this experience I think they don't um but it's basically this moment like.
[47:41] Keith: Monographed with my initials Anyway, go on.
[47:56] Keith: Yeah here it comes.
[47:56] Mike: When as a guy you know you're going to nut right? But it's yeah, but it's like this here. It comes feeling and if you pay attention to the sensations like you can actually sort of feel that like that's the moment when like your body is transporting the sperm cells into the prostate. Did you do you were aware of that.
[48:09] Keith: Yes, yes oh I Actually no I did not know that Okay well I thought that they okay I thought that they were transported to the prostate and so you know some some prefueling process and that.
[48:15] Mike: But that's like what you're feeling there. We go.
[48:26] Mike: No because they need no because the because the whole yeah yeah, because the whole reason why you have these nuts swinging around is to keep them at a lower temperature than your body temperature which you then thwart if you wear like ah Jockey shorts or whatever like a briefs.
[48:28] Keith: It It just hung out there. They get they get they get transported in real time.
[48:37] Keith: Oh right? right? right? right? Tidy white is yeah.
[48:45] Mike: Yeah, exactly um, but the um, but yeah, like so so then it's like well when does your body transport and you could say well does it transport it like ah you know right? when you get an erection. It's like well that would be kind of weird then there'd be all these sperm in the prostate that would be dying and no in fact, like it's like they gather in your. Little tubes in your nuts kind of next to your Nuts. You can feel them there these these little tubules they gather in there during the arousal process which is part of the reason I think why you get blue balls because like basically there's this stuff that like moved but then it didn't get to go anywhere and then.
[49:15] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
[49:21] Mike: But that there the other is the actual transport mechanism that happens during that moment of orgasmic inevitability and so you can actually feel that and so maybe from now on you will be like oh there there they go.
[49:23] Keith: Have blastoff.
[49:29] Keith: Okay, so the so the Jet fuel which is the which is the the seminal fluid in this case mixes with the mixes with the semen does the semen are sorry mixes with the with the sperm.
[49:40] Mike: That's already in the prostate. Yeah, exactly the sperm with the sperm. Yeah.
[49:46] Keith: Does the sperm I mean the sperm has to be in some sort of something as well. I guess it's It's some other fluid maybe get or maybe it gets translate. Okay, that's that's that's beyond the scope of this conversation.
[49:51] Mike: Yeah I'm sure I don't That's that's a level of detail I don't have and I right? and actually now that I think about it like I wonder if I don't think that feeling changes at all after a vasectomy and I think the reason why is because the feeling actually of course is just like muscles contracting to move the stuff like the muscles are still going to contract. It's just that the.
[50:06] Keith: Bright.
[50:11] Mike: And the fact that the fluid is no longer flowing. It doesn't matter right? It's like you didn't feel that anyway.
[50:14] Keith: Okay, all right? So the the reason why I started this Anatomy lesson is okay in in the tube that goes from the prostate to the urethra where does that connect does that connect on the outside of the shaft or internal to the shaft of the penis.
[50:27] Mike: So the urethra goes sort of through the middle of the prostate and that's important because old dudes. That's why they stop being. There's you know those tv shows where they're basically like hey you need a ah ads not show that dont watch shows about those ads where they're like hey you need a rodo router for your a pastate when you're like 70 years old because you like can't.
[50:32] Keith: How interesting.
[50:46] Keith: M.
[50:47] Mike: Get all your piss out. That's why because the prostate enlarges for some reason probably probably something that amounts to cancer right? It's like you're you're getting but the prostate a lot of prostate cancer I think everybody gets prostate cancer by a certain age like you know, pretty much endemic once you're like eighty or ninety years old anyway. So it enlarges in that. Cuts off the flow into the urethra right? like a cock ring for your eurethra.
[51:08] Keith: Okay, okay, but then okay somehow right? So Somehow the semen gets into the urethra and then goes the rest of the way through the shaft of penis. Okay, the reason why I was asking This is when I wore a cockering it sort of felt like there was a little bit. Restriction on the bottom of my shaft but I think I was just mostly and and I imagined that there was some some tube or something that was getting pinched by the conquering itself but sounds like that actually is not the case I mean my subjective experience my subjective experience of feeling a little bit of pinching is is real. But my reason.
[51:36] Mike: Well that makes sense node. It would yeah.
[51:46] Keith: The model that I had in my mind for why that was happening was wrong.
[51:47] Mike: Look I mean ah in 1 of my many perusals. Do you know what? the word peruse means by the way.
[51:54] Keith: Ah I don't know means to to look at lightly. It's something between skimming and reading. Okay, oh really, that's not how it's used. That's not how it's used colloquially.
[51:59] Mike: Yeah, it means the opposite of that it means to look at thoroughly I learned this from my kids' vocabulary lesson. Yes, it's It's a that's what everybody says and I agree's I think it's a word that's in the process of changing. But anyway so in in my perusal and you can take from that what you want of various like sex things. 1 of the things you encounter is people saying well don't let's say that you were like a young man and you're like well every time I beat off like this nut pop squirts out. So What I'll do instead is I'll just squeeze my penis the nut doesn't come out kind of clever right? It's like you think you've discovered something you're like and then you can later just piss it out or something.
[52:30] Keith: Okay, yeah, yeah.
[52:37] Mike: They say don't do that and the reason why can you think of? why.
[52:41] Keith: Ah, maybe that material is not meant to collect anywhere and it could cause an infection or something.
[52:47] Mike: So The that's that's a good thought Maybe people are shouting at their radios right now with the answer is the the thing that people say on the internet is that in this can happen is you can get what's called Retrograde ejaculation where the valve that stops the stuff from squirting into your bladder. Gets messed up and now you start ejaculating into your bladder and apparently there are people that like you know basically give themselves this syndrome by like death gripping their cock at the moment of ejaculation to not have anything come Out. Um I think I have before that's an experiment tried.
[53:05] Keith: I've got. Ah.
[53:12] Keith: Yeah.
[53:21] Keith: I've I have I mean I've been you know it's been beyond the moment of blastoff and then really really really really wanted to stop myself and tried and it's you know it's like ah it's like a half aborted takeoff like it's not great. My orgasm after that 1 is also lame.
[53:37] Mike: Now.
[53:38] Keith: I Sort of have like this weird combination of blue balls and you know an orgasm having had happen but I don't have like it's like a partial chemical release in the brain like yeah, whatever, it's not good I've I've done it but not I Really don't want to because yeah, it's not what my body wants to do.
[53:53] Mike: If you can find just the right amount to squeeze to squeeze your organ you can. It's like when you put your finger over the end of a hose I imagine.
[54:03] Keith: I could shoot it to 30 meters across the across the football field. But.
[54:06] Mike: I Think so I think that's possible haven't gotten there yet. No.
[54:10] Keith: Something to aspire to? Um, okay I think we have time for 1 more topic this 1 this 1 was a little interesting. This 1 is. Less about sex and more about emotions so we'll we'll see how we how we do with this this person says my boyfriend had a hurtful reaction when I surprised him with a nude I decided to surprise my boyfriend with the nude for the first time and his reaction sucked and was really hurtful.
[54:28] Mike: Not too bad.
[54:38] Mike: Well who was the nude of.
[54:42] Keith: He replied Please don't send stuff like this when I told him his reply was Hurtful. He didn't say anything he then later tried to initiate sex when I didn't want to he was momentarily confused until he realized that I was still upset about his reaction told him he made me feel unsexy and that he should have at least been nice about it. He said you shouldn't have just sent it to me and when I told him other guys would have been grateful to receive a pick like that he said I'm aware some other men. Don't have boundaries for themselves who cuts Deep I don't know what to do I Thought this was going to be something fun and sexy. But it's instead had the opposite effect advice or thoughts.
[55:18] Mike: He's like look honey. Ah if I'm getting a nut off I can tolerate the way you look. But I don't want to see that the rest of the time it's because she's not attractive right.
[55:31] Keith: That is the mic reading of this. Yes, that's possible. Yeah maybe he was at work mike.
[55:37] Mike: The other thing I could think of yeah, so so 1 time I was ah we during the pandemic I mean we have this thing where like everything's you know via video conference now. Whatever the video conference software is but you know and I was in it I was in a meeting with someone and um, he was.
[55:47] Keith: Zoom does your is yeah.
[55:57] Mike: Ah, sharing his screen and it didn't occur to me that like if I sent him you know the Apple the speak of the devil. There's the Apple ecosystem there. But if the apple ecosystem like reflects everything right? So if I send you an oh you don't use you have ah the poor man phone the android but.
[55:57] Keith: I Don't know.
[56:04] Keith: Yeah, ah.
[56:13] Keith: Yes, ah bourgeoisie.
[56:15] Mike: For those of us in the sort of the the high-end spectrum the top the the top sixty seven percent as it were ah we we Ah you know if I send you a text on an iphone. It shows up on your mac or whatever on your ipad wherever you're At. And so anyway I sent this guy a text and the text was I'm sorry it was I'm sorry you have to do this because the person's Presentation. He was giving I was like man this sucks that you're having to give this presentation and so then on his screen popped up a thing. It didn't have my name just my phone number and it said I'm sorry you have to do this.
[56:41] Keith: Right.
[56:47] Keith: Oh that's good.
[56:51] Mike: And I was like man that's not great now if instead it had been just like kind of like a not very attractive woman naked spreading her legs and not spreading them in the good way where it's like she's doing the splits or some gymnastic ability. It's just spreading them slightly in the middle of a meeting that would be pretty bad. Be like oh.
[57:07] Keith: Yeah, so look. There's of course right, right? There are of course circumstances when you don't want to receive a nude right? You're you're sharing photos with your mother and you know somebody.
[57:10] Mike: If she was hot ever be like oh legit. This is good. Good job man High five.
[57:27] Keith: Text you a nude that would that would be bad timing right? or or work or or whatever but it sounds like I mean we're left to guess because we don't know the details of the situation but he says I'm aware some other men. Don't have boundaries for themselves. What what does that.
[57:43] Mike: It implies that she's not very attractive.
[57:44] Keith: But does that imply. Yeah, but Mike presume for a moment that he's not lying but that he would he he is attracted to her but there's some boundary he has where he doesn't want her sending nudes like what would that boundary even be.
[58:00] Mike: Yeah, it's because yeah, it's because like she's base. It's the Madonna horror thing. She's based it's like he's like look when we're in the bedroom like I want you to choke on my cock and guzzle my come but like outside of there I want you to be sort of prim and proper and so basically she.
[58:14] Keith: Ah, yeah I respect you right.
[58:17] Mike: Yeah, she she like turned herself into basically a stripper outside the bedroom and he doesn't like that and I think that's like kind of for better or worse for women. This is kind of like a normal male behavior to like not want. It's like it's because it's going into like the public sphere and so from in his brain. It's as if. It's as if like she's showing her nude body to everyone and he's like no no, that's just for me. Ah, he did she did she did show it to engineers at I assume they're using an iphone set engineers at Apple probably have seen her naked picture of course. Um.
[58:38] Keith: Right.
[58:44] Keith: Right? Because everything is unencrypted.
[58:51] Mike: Is? Yeah, but it's hard for me to think about this question now because I'm sitting here thinking about like ways to weaponize Dick pics in business meetings like like you could create a Google voice account in Dick pick like let's say there's a woman that you want to get fired or something presenting at a meeting and you dick Picker Dick picker. And then if it pops up on her screen. She's got this big dick on her screen and these sorry.
[59:11] Keith: Yeah I mean look the the the the the first response to this was you know, imagine how you would feel about receiving an unsolicited dick pick. Can you imagine that you know crossing some boundary and of of course she can.
[59:23] Mike: That happens all the time to me I mean like that's just opening my ah the opening the Y I M V Pod Twitter feed. It's just it's um, an amazing number. It's an amazing number of cocks and like there. It's I don't I don't It's the.
[59:29] Keith: Right? I know Yeah, we should have a greatest hits gallery Really? um.
[59:41] Mike: Dick the the whole the pictures of dicks and erect people. The male dick stuff and and it's not gay guys I don't think is like the most amount of art created with the least amount of audience in the history of mankind. It's like somebody going deep in a cave and like drawing.
[59:55] Keith: Ha.
[59:58] Mike: Like a picture and then just like filling in the cave with dirt or a racing is it's like that like these guys produce so much artistic Dick pickery.
[01:00:00] Keith: Right? Yeah, the volume of creation and the value of and the value of that creation. The the volume is so high and the value is so low that there's like some massive weight waste of human creativity.
[01:00:09] Mike: Right? It's right like there was a there was a guy like I was just trying to do my business and when I say do my business I mean extract semen from my prostate with my hand and um.
[01:00:22] Keith: As we all do or fifty percent of us. No wait Sorry we all do there's there's no sex differences.
[01:00:28] Mike: And ah, no, no, it's women women have to extract it out of the man's ah somebody they have to find a guy who guy's prostate to get it out but okay and and I went on to the gone wild tube subreddit and there was this video and I didn't notice that it had a zero up votes and of course on there like.
[01:00:33] Keith: Oh there we go there, you go.
[01:00:46] Mike: To the wise like zero up votes means it's a dude and it was this video of somebody ambiguous gender with just jamming things in their butt if kind of like twenty seconds in know I'm like this is a dude. This is definitely a guy and it was very cleverly constructed so that clothing like whatever.
[01:01:02] Keith: He didn't have you didn't have butt hair or whatever. That's always a telltale.
[01:01:05] Mike: Bits of clue. No totally shaved like the butt was sort of female looking and then I was like this and then I just skipped to the end and of course if the end he turns around he's got a cock like come on man and like I mean yeah, it's strip.
[01:01:13] Keith: You're like a hold on I've been had.
[01:01:17] Keith: I mean you sort of in that case, you sort of have to admire the handiwork right? If it's a good troll. Ah, oh.
[01:01:24] Mike: But I don't think he was trolling I don't think so I don't think that guy was trolling he wanted he he there's something else at play there. He he's getting aroused me like he had look who's getting trolled if you're making a video where you're jamming things up your asshole like who who's winning.
[01:01:38] Keith: Fair enough fair enough making of the video does more damage that the emotional damage done by the video itself. Okay, listen well I have to go. But why don't you Why don't you wrap us up with a thought here.
[01:01:44] Mike: Right now. Although with your yeah, go ahead.
[01:01:54] Mike: Oh I was just going to say with your newly found anal experience in the pink the Pink butt plug. You could buy a pink cock ring to go along with it that was a thought I had and then the other thought was I mean you could start solicit. Yeah, you could start solicit you you could like link them together. So you.
[01:02:05] Keith: Oh so we can match.
[01:02:11] Mike: Dick is stuck to her butthoers but you could let you could also start asking your girlfriend for for butthole picks like just I just want to see your butthole send me some buttholes.
[01:02:18] Keith: I Could I don't know if she would oblige to that I don't think that they would be so incongruent with me that I think she would immediatelyly suspect someone it stolen my phone.
[01:02:31] Mike: Have her put take a lipstick and write 2 arrows on her butt cheeks and like keith goes here and then send you a picture of her butthole that way because I that would really turn you on ren no it actually.
[01:02:41] Keith: Because that way it's it's it's less shareable. You mean if if it's water watermarked in that way.
[01:02:49] Mike: Actually the point I want to make there is if she sent you that you might say something like what did this guy say in this question he said the inscrutable sentence he said where he was like yeah yeah, if if your girlfriend sent you that picture you might reply with that. So there's the answer to the question.
[01:02:54] Keith: Ah, well she he? Oh oh I'm aware some other men. Don't have boundaries for themselves.
[01:03:06] Keith: Well everyone everyone has their line.
[01:03:08] Mike: Right for this guy getting a nude was yeah exactly for you. The line is is probably an anus with like arrows pointing at it. It's probably actually it's not even that far.
[01:03:13] Keith: I Don't think there I don't There's basically nothing anyone could do that I would respond that insensitively to it. It would have to be something Yeah, but nobody I would date would ever do that or you know.
[01:03:21] Mike: Um, really even that.
[01:03:30] Mike: Oh so you would just break up with them. So if that happened you would just break up with her. Yeah.
[01:03:30] Keith: But it's hard to construct a situation where that's happening. It's it's it's hard to construct the situation. Yeah, but what where how would I even get to a point where they were wanting to do that. It's It's hard to imagine Listen I have an appointment I have to go to so I have to go So that's a wrap on episode forty seven of your mileage may valley very there.
[01:03:42] Mike: Yeah, all right.
[01:03:50] Keith: Your mileage maybe fairy is what we're called. Thanks for listening email us at y m m v pod at gmail dot com for ten dollars rate and review us and we will catch you next time.