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Episode 48: Ethical Non-Monogamy, Adult Nursing, Caught Masturbating, Flexibility

Team YMMV | 1-5-2022 | 1:01:51

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A woman claims not to understand the traditional rules around dating, since she's so steeped in non-monogamy. This is, of course, preposterous.

What are the positives (and, are there any negatives?) to a woman being very flexible in bed. Keith doesn't find it as compelling as the cultural stereotypes would suggest, but maybe he hasn't fully taken advantage of it.

A woman responds oddly to catching her husband masturbating. And, a man insists on covering his partner's buttocks while having sex in the doggy-style position.

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/48/t-shirt

https://ymmv.me/48/caught

https://ymmv.me/48/nipples

https://ymmv.me/48/flexibility

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  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and thanks for joining us on your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships I'm Keith my co-host is Mike you keeping warm over there. Mike.
  • [00:08] Mike: Yeah, I'm super warm here.
  • [00:11] Keith: Ah, my electric bill or ah, electric and gas bill. It's a combination I guess was ah twice in November what it was in October I don't know if I'm doing something wrong.
  • [00:25] Mike: Probably not I haven't looked I haven't looked in mine. But ah, we're not. We're actually in a fairly not that cold climate fairly warm climate here. So it's not right.
  • [00:33] Keith: Yeah I mean got down to the forty s a couple time and yeah, it's a bigger problem. The pandemic now. So all right before we dive into it I'd like to invite you to give us feedback at y m m the pod at gmail dot com we pay ten dollars for everything we receive there. No joke. Just let us know. But you think of the show and we'll send you 10 dollars in whatever way, you tell us is easiest for you. So venmo paypal. Whatever ah I don't have any patter. So should we get into our video or what what do we have today.
  • [01:06] Mike: Well we wanted to change it up a little bit. We promised last week to look into the the topic of panal which is painful anal which is actually a.
  • [01:16] Keith: Ah.
  • [01:20] Mike: Genre people could look up on Pornhub or their favorite tube site. But I think we're gonna hold off on that 1 until next week just because we had something a little more fun to listen to this week and this is an audio that we found online of a woman talking about her dating experiences. It's only like thirty seconds long and we can actually play it in the.
  • [01:36] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah I mean I'm ready you ready I'm gonna just I'm just gonna start it. Okay here we go.
  • [01:39] Mike: Podcasts. Yeah, so.
  • [01:44] Mike: Sure, let's hear it.
  • [01:56] Mike: What.
  • [02:00] Keith: Mono hate.
  • [02:01] Mike: This is not a man who used Helium This is a woman.
  • [02:17] Mike: So what Huh go on? yeah.
  • [02:20] Keith: I Mean there's a lot of things to discuss here.
  • [02:25] Mike: That is a woman I mean I could see a man saying that I mean it's not like I think deep down this is sort of how men feel it's not that it's alien we we live in the world. So We know what the rules are and by the way the rules she's complaining about are like all okay, all too strong but they largely are created constructed and enforced by. Sort of more feminine people. Not more masculine people like guys would be totally fine I Think for the most part with like just fuckfests everywhere. Um.
  • [02:49] Keith: Right? Non -monoggamy is something most men would prefer and most women would not prefer so the the cultural ah guardrails that we've erected are mostly I don't know if they're to yeah I mean I think they are erected to benefit women.
  • [03:04] Mike: Well, it's just be yeah, you're trying to satisfy you're trying to make a mutually satisfactory situation and it just isn't mutually satisfying. So yeah I mean it's it's kind of funny because it's like a person this is a woman who's like is she's shocked. It's like for a how did she avoid like. Watching any sitcoms or anything that like reveals like the normal experience of life. It's that effectively and for that long but then also like she she's just like saying the it's like it's like is it is is she from Bizarro world or something.
  • [03:35] Keith: Yeah I mean it's a little bit unbelievable that she can't even imagine the rules around monogamy monogamous dating. That's I mean.
  • [03:44] Mike: Have you but have you encountered I'm trying to think like I've I don't think I've ever encountered somebody who was this who this brazenly tried to ah pretend that they were not of our culture or not of human culture. It's not just our culture.
  • [03:55] Keith: Right? Yeah, the normal experience. The normal experience is they're sort of proselytizing about how great non-monogamy is but they don't pretend that they don't understand what monogamy is or what the rules are or. You know that kind of thing that they'll say like oh I mean they'll they'll behave like high minded and act like you know theirs is the only way and everyone else doesn't actually understand you know, kind of like how atheists behave. Um but she wouldn't you know they they wouldn't normally yeah, this.
  • [04:14] Mike: Okay, but for.
  • [04:33] Keith: I Mean she might just be performing for whatever show she was on to that's a possibility.
  • [04:33] Mike: So Hang on So The thing you said there was actually kind of interesting I think you were using a shorthand a really like rapid kind of rationalist shorthand that our that our listeners might not understand I think the reason you said kind of like atheists is what what you're saying is that like atheists are dismissive of religion even though a lot of like the. Sort of normal cultural stuff like you should be a nice person. Not do horrible stuff like like is encoded on some level in religion I mean forgetting about like the God Question. It's just like there's there are these things that like and it's like how did people transmit these like rules while they do it through religion and so you can make fun of okay so I think that's what you were saying and in the same way I think you're saying that.
  • [04:58] Keith: Right.
  • [05:04] Keith: Right.
  • [05:12] Mike: There is a set of like boundaries and rules created that basically enable people to have you know families and raise children and like have a stable society where like people can be productive and not just like wind up Hunter gathertherers or worse. That's your point right? and so it's like this woman's pretending like you go on.
  • [05:20] Keith: Yes, yes, yeah I mean I think look not Non -monogamy is pretty great in concept especially for men but it is difficult. To have a functioning society if everyone is constantly trying to address their sexual needs at all times in a way that I think non-monogamous people would argue is is the way that they should.
  • [05:51] Mike: I think I mean okay, a couple things I want I want to ask you about I think you've encountered me the the only non-monogamous. Okay I'm sure I've encountered multiple but like the main non-monogamous that I've talked to in person was a young lady that you and I both knew sometime back who. Clearly had been persuaded into it by some probably wealthy guy. She met in new york like it. It was only non-monogamy for him. Not for her and so on and so forth this just wasn't a great situation and like she's now become like a family and marriage therapist and is married so like she makes you wonder but but but.
  • [06:12] Keith: Oh right? her right? young right? right? right? right? Remember she had that book she had that book on.
  • [06:27] Mike: So I'm curious about like you're ah it's called sex sex at dawn I think sex at dawn I Think yeah yeah, so that was that was her Well I mean essentially this guy had given her that book. But ah, but.
  • [06:31] Keith: On her desk or whatever as I would I don't remember but right.
  • [06:43] Keith: I think he had gaslit her into believing that that they were having some sort of high minded non-monogamous experience when he was just basically sleeping with everyone he could possibly find.
  • [06:45] Mike: Yeah.
  • [06:55] Mike: Right? so so I think be interesting for you to like give our listeners like 1 or 2 other argumentation avenues that you've heard from women but I just wanted to say quickly that from from the man's perspective like non-monogamy is only good or like a world where monogamy is not valued is only good. In the words of the great poet. Ah, all of the pussies in the world. Suddenly only fit me. It's not so great if there's total non-monogamy and ah the women basically all glom on to connect to the top ten percent of guys because then you have ninety percent of guys and that's what that's exactly what.
  • [07:19] Keith: Anything.
  • [07:34] Mike: Ah, they'll do in my in my estimation like it's actually rational right? It's like why wouldn't elon musk have like I don't know ten thousand girlfriends you should right? He should have a harem because he can provide for them maximally not I mean very very small harem but he could you know I mean.
  • [07:39] Keith: A Harem I think he sort of has but like okay for right, not not 10 to the fifth.
  • [07:53] Mike: Exactly and you know why wouldn't those men be in that situation and the women would be perfectly satisfied if they were nonmonogamous and so and so for the average if you don't know where you're going to fall as a man in that Society. It's actually bad. The thing you want is that all other couple.. All other men are monogamous except Me. Or you know what? I mean like so you're the only 1 that benefits from it then it becomes fantastic because you're just cruising around the world for all these women to fuck.
  • [08:12] Keith: Yeah, gosh I Wonder if most of the men getting fat off the non-monogamy pig are if there's some some sort of delicate balance where like if there were twice as many non-monogamous folks if it would suddenly. Be a much worse situation for those men.
  • [08:30] Mike: For sure I mean like look like the male female birth ratio is fifty fifty. So I mean that tells you kind of what you need to know about like how human species is sort of expected to work I realize it's more complicated than that there like but the but the issue is like let's say you have ah an ape or something where it's.
  • [08:42] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [08:48] Mike: Non-monogamous. There's 1 dominant male and a bunch of like kind of not dominant males that like just get kicked out or like have to be subservient and beat up all the time. So why it's a pretty crappy must.
  • [08:54] Keith: Now there's lots of male. There are lots of male mammal society. It's sorry there are lots of mammal societies that have that sort of setup like I think ah with adult lions. There's usually like a 3 to 1 female to male ratio. Um.
  • [09:04] Mike: Short.
  • [09:10] Mike: And what happens to the other 2 men. They just die.
  • [09:12] Keith: And yeah, like they'll sometimes lions will kill their own children if they're men and they'll be sort of like a fight a territorial fight and then the the pride of lions like mostly the women hunt and like bring food to the male. It's pretty pretty good setup. Good good gig If you can find it.
  • [09:18] Mike: Me go.
  • [09:28] Mike: That's smart does sound good. Yeah, you're just you're just a big cock then it's nice. But yeah, so it's so basically like ah for for animals that have larger brains like humans like it's sort of tricky with the caveat and and like that's I mean ultimately that is the situation that like someone like Bill Clinton or.
  • [09:31] Keith: Yeah, basically.
  • [09:45] Mike: A member of led zeppelin or something found themselves in of like they're the guy that gets to be non-monogamous because they're the big shot and so that's 1 of the reasons why men want to achieve wealth fame power but I'm curious to hear your the purported explanations that some some women have given you.
  • [09:50] Keith: Um, right.
  • [09:56] Keith: Yeah, sure it's normally something around Well I'm not looking to settle down right now and they don't want the hassle of a committed relationship. But.
  • [10:11] Mike: What do they want then like why do they want any relationship then like what's the is it just they're they're bored and lonely.
  • [10:15] Keith: Okay, all right, do you want me to give the cynics take first or the non-sennics take first.
  • [10:20] Mike: I think you should tell us what they say like what that what would what would they say if I like asked this question to them and we you know I could ask 1 at some point.
  • [10:29] Keith: It's it's really hard to prosecute men or women on this topic but especially women because they're sort of twisted up into a pretzel whereby they think this is really what they want but I think oftentimes what's happened is. There was some man or men in their past that behaved in a certain way that they've maybe generally lost lost trust in the you know, sort of traditional way that male female relationships work and so instead they are giving up on the notion. Of you know, somebody that you've come home to and things are reasonable and in the bounds that you would typically expect and instead they're like all right fuck this I'm non-monogamous now and. I'm going to try not to have my feelings hurt when men do the things that they you know always do in their experience. So think that's what's going on there.
  • [11:25] Mike: So for example, ah along those lines the the woman that you and I both knew will to protect her and identity. We'll just call her Natalie and that's not her real name. She ah she you would say that before this man from new york got access to her she yeah.
  • [11:33] Keith: Fair enough.
  • [11:45] Mike: She had something bad happen to her you know something where she expected some sort of level of reasonability.
  • [11:49] Keith: It I mean perhaps it could have just been him but I mean look like when when I think young women are deaf young women I think women generally as long as they are single as long as they're not in a long term committed relationship.
  • [11:54] Mike: Got it got it? Okay, but what's the So what's that is that the cynics take or not the non-snickle tank.
  • [12:08] Keith: Their general experience with men is kind of shitty right? like men are sort of selfish right? Like if they haven't pinned a man down to behave reasonably I Think the general experience is that they behave unreasonably in their view and so it's not crazy for them to get fed up with it.
  • [12:10] Mike: This stroke.
  • [12:21] Mike: Have you have you ever? Yeah, gone have you ever pointed out to a woman that had this sort of perspective that like I mean I mean an obvious fault or issue with it to me is let's say that you and a partner. Or I and a partner decided we were going to become non-monogamous and let's say we're both serious about let's say it was like ah you know the cannonball run or something we're trying to like win a race. It's like what who can who can do the most year given like a week like I might have sex with I mean if I didn't pay for it. Maybe I could get 1 or 2 like really trying and it wouldn't be the.
  • [12:55] Keith: 1 or 2 What sorry oh yeah, yeah, okay.
  • [12:58] Mike: The litter women women. It wouldn't be the pick of the litter right? it would I would have to like it would be tough and I'd be be a slog I'd have to I'd have to like I'd have to purposely lower my expectations The the woman if she's reasonably attractive would have what like a hundred dicks in her by the end of that week. It would just be like a question.
  • [13:11] Keith: I think I think the answer is I mean in spirit. It's it's infinity and it's and like effectively it's close to infinity like I think if you I mean look like.
  • [13:16] Mike: Physical.
  • [13:24] Mike: She needed to fly to different towns to get the number up.
  • [13:28] Keith: I mean I think so like imagine there's like so you know there? Okay, you you have a woman who's an 8 right? And whatever I mean we've also we've talked we've talked about this experiment on this show before but if she goes into a bar and asks all of the men including the ones with wedding bands on like hey do you want to go fuck in the bathroom. Ah.
  • [13:32] Mike: Yeah.
  • [13:47] Keith: I don't know what the percentage is but it's it's it's probably greater than fifty and it might it might be like Ninety sure right right? right? Yeah, there has to be right? There's there's health concerns. There's health concerns and emotional.
  • [13:50] Mike: If the guy was sure. Yeah, if the guy would like if the guy was sure there would be no consequences. It's almost 1 hundred percent like that they would just be like the married guys would be they be worried about like some trick or so like if she's gonna like blackmail.
  • [14:06] Keith: Stability and getting in trouble with your partner concerns. But if you but if you could wipe those away like I think basically every man would say yes and so I mean so then you have to start thinking about things that like would lower that rate like if you said.
  • [14:07] Mike: Exactly. Well so let me and see this 1 gone. Yeah, go ahead.
  • [14:22] Keith: It's actually going to be a train like there's like ok I've found twelve men and you're each going to get five minute slots. Ah and you know your your position is number your position is number 8 right? Yeah I mean you definitely want to be the engine in this in this circumstance. But.
  • [14:30] Mike: What do I do I get to be the engine or the caoos yeah, that's not good. It's not good. Yeah.
  • [14:39] Keith: I mean I think like in that case, let's say you lined up twelve men I think maybe like so I don't know my intuition is somewhere between four and 8 would would be like yeah actually I'm good but 4 would stay in and I mean and that's such a preposterous like thing. So I mean I just it's just it's it's easy for women.
  • [14:46] Mike: Yeah, for sure it might be more than that. Yeah.
  • [14:59] Keith: In a way that is it isn't for men even I mean look we know about Hugh Grant finding the prostitute and you know like even some of the most desirable and you know highest day listers in the world still resort to paying or doing.
  • [15:00] Mike: Okay, so hang on yeah.
  • [15:15] Mike: Well this I mean for the most part I think that's a way for them to avoid like blackmail or something. It's It's a thing where they can sort of like control the situation more but and and not lead someone on either? Um, but the but the let's let's let's apply the filter.
  • [15:15] Keith: Weird things to get sex. So yeah, yeah, probably probably? yeah.
  • [15:32] Mike: Is probably is usually a good filter to apply which is something like ah if you if anything is if something is about sex for the man for the woman. It's about like the relationship or like the emotional dimension of the relationship. In other words, they're both their men and women are pursuing different things. Do you think that when women say they're Poly. Or they're They're not monogamous. They don't believe in it. Do Do you think they just mean that they like to tell they they you know are willing to cry in front of multiple different men or something. Do you know what? I mean like I suppose like they are in other words are they not actually thinking about what they'd be like how gross I don't mean sex I mean like I have 3 guys that I can confide in and.
  • [15:59] Keith: Yeah.
  • [16:08] Keith: Right? Yeah, it's tricky mike I mean look there's different kinds of poly situations and I actually got chided by somebody a few months ago I said that I was I can actually i.
  • [16:09] Mike: On dates with and and and travel with you know.
  • [16:27] Keith: I actually can't remember I can't remember if I said that I was poly ah and polyamorous or if I was e and m do you know what? E N m stands for ethically non-monogamous and I thought that ethically I thought well I don't I don't know I just put it out of profile to see what would happen. So.
  • [16:33] Mike: I Do not know say more boy. What's that mean.
  • [16:47] Keith: Ah I don't remember if I said I was E and M and then the person thought I was poly or if I said I was pollly and the person thought I was E and M and they're like oh sorry I I won't interact with anybody who is the thing that I wasn't they're like oh I'm fine with a but not with B and I was like what I don't even I don't even even know what the difference between a and B are like it was such a strange.
  • [17:05] Mike: Yeah, well I not cannot wait wait. Let me stop stop. Let me let me read the definition of E and M just because I didn't know it. This is just according to Google Well Google is getting it from some website. Ah E M is the practice of tit.
  • [17:06] Keith: Interaction. But the reason why I bring this up is. Um, okay, yeah, yeah, hit me.
  • [17:21] Mike: Of taking part in romantic relationships that are not completely exclusive between 2 people. It may involve only sexual connections with others only romantic connections or both romantic and sexual now let me check what polyamorous means because that sounds the same.
  • [17:35] Keith: I'm sorry what's a romantic connection without sexual.
  • [17:39] Mike: Polyamirate is according to Oxford Dictionary characterized by or or involved in the practice of engaging in multiple romantic relate relationships with the consent of all people involved. They're the same So this person this person's a nut bar but okay.
  • [17:47] Keith: Okay I think I know what the difference is here's here's what it here's what I think it here's what I think the difference is because I did and did some reading on this myself I think E and M often is just physical. So.
  • [18:03] Mike: Ah.
  • [18:05] Keith: Both the people engaged in the ah copulation need to be the thing that makes it ethical is that everyone knows it's above board. You're not lying about not having a wife or a girlfriend or other partners. That's the ethical part and the non-monogamous thing is yeah, you have.
  • [18:18] Mike: That's ethical. But.
  • [18:23] Keith: Various sexual partners now E and M from a man standpoint I like the ah the ah the the shory law right? like I don't think men can actually do that I think women can do that all they like but for ah, a man to seduce other women when the women know that he has a.
  • [18:30] Mike: Um, or.
  • [18:43] Keith: Primary partner I think that severely limits his ah his pool.
  • [18:47] Mike: Okay, so the thing so just so people understand the thing Keith's complaining about here is that if it's It's a good trick actually that women use and or sorry anyone could use. It's a good. It's clever and that's the basically if if if a man and a woman they're dating why it's not clever.
  • [19:00] Keith: It's not but you go head first and then I'll explain why it's not but go ahead. Yeah.
  • [19:06] Mike: Okay, fine I Believe it's a clever ruse because basically let's say you're dating a woman and she says we can be ethically ethically non-monogamous. Okay, and that means that as long as you tell your perspective partner that you are you have a primary that you can.
  • [19:13] Keith: M.
  • [19:24] Mike: Sex with them and and and what that means is that unless there's like sort of something wrong as a man so you're a man and you you go to a woman on tinder or whatever bumble whatever it is and you say this to them and like unless there's something weird about this person. They're pretty weird. They're going to say well no I'm I'm here looking for I don't want to be your secondary and want to be your primary and so all the women even though they might like if they were drunk or something like overlook this they're going to say no and so it's basically a way for a woman to kind of let you experiment but but actually preventing you from experimenting and I assume though I don't know. And as you know my preferred way to think about these things as glory holes I assume that an e N m relationship would not allow you to participate to use a glory hole even though you might for example, you could write and crayon on the glory hole First that you have a primary that would not be okay, right? So in other words. Well, that actually be a question to you like it because if if if if not then this is just a trick if if you could use something like a glo like or in other words, could you go to a prostitute could you could you use a prostitute I bet that's not true, but 1 use say with you this set.
  • [20:18] Keith: I think you could I think you could yes I think so yeah, yeah, ok well here's why here's why I don't think it's clever I think that ninety nine point nine nine nine percent of men when that when their girlfriend says like oh yeah, we're e and m. All they hear is like oh I get to fuck other girls and they're not actually going to you know carefully ah make women sign the disclosure agreement and they're going to just go out and lie to the girl which is not part of e and m and then they may not even they might not even tell their partner unless they're.
  • [20:47] Mike: Ah.
  • [20:57] Keith: Like it's basically it's basically half of a hall pass and then you can do the thing where you do first and ask for permission later like you already know that she is conceptually okay with you sleeping with someone else and if you go outside the bounds of the ethical part a little bit. Well you can paper over that later. And so I think it's actually not clever I think I think men view it as whatever they want to view it as.
  • [21:15] Mike: We'll see you're saying that it's not, you're. Was here saying that e and m is the same as Monogamy. There's no difference like basically no matter what if the guy wants to have sex with another woman. He has to lie to someone? no.
  • [21:26] Keith: The differences, the differences to the man. He has an expectation of not getting broken up with even if he gets caught cheating.
  • [21:35] Mike: But he has that expectation monogamy also because in most cases guys don't right? I'm not really because in some ways less because he's broken a rule like that was like you had 1 job. You know.
  • [21:38] Keith: Sure sure but he has but he has even more expectation. He has even more expectation because she's she's she's basically green let sure well the rule exists and monogamy. It's It's more unspoken.
  • [21:54] Mike: Sure it's just that like I'm just saying like you know it's like Youe you can do it but you have to tell me and then he doesn't tell her and I yeah I understand the gray area of the guy will play in is oh I didn't understand what yeah know oh I didn't I thought I did tell you oh I thought I told her too I don't know I'm just I'm stupid and I didn't know.
  • [22:04] Keith: Right? right? Oh I was drunk I just forgot to tell her. Yeah, it's it's going to be shit like that.
  • [22:14] Mike: And okay, okay, but like the the but but to the point of like a woman doing and I'll also let let me just say the obvious which is that if the woman in the e and m scenario as we said before could basically have sex with the entire city of Los angeles male. Population of Los angeles like immediately if she's reasonably attractive and so like it's just the whole thing's kind of silly for her because it's like you're not like no guy like this is the thing is if you thought that your girlfriend was going to actually use the e and m thing materially, you wouldn't you wouldn't do it right? because it just gross like then you. You are number 8 in a train constantly. You're like well how many how many dicks were in there today and the thing is she's not going to I don't like.
  • [22:52] Keith: That's right I've long thought I've long thought that people who really honestly want to engage in some sort of Poly situation. The arrangement should be the person who has more access to Sex. That is to say the female in almost all circumstances should do whatever she can to help the person that has less access to sex that is to say the man in almost all circumstances find other partners If you're really interested in your other partner's happiness than the selfless thing to do. Is to help them get laid by other people Now. No 1 does that. But I think if you know they're trying to be high minded about like oh you know I don't feel jealousy and I'm you know, really interested and my partner being able to express their sexual being fully.. It's like well okay, why don't you help me do that and.
  • [23:29] Mike: Um, yeah.
  • [23:45] Keith: But I just don't think that's how most poly or E and M situations go.
  • [23:50] Mike: Yeah I mean it's hard to I mean there are like I think this I think this does exist. It's just and I hate to say this. But I think that the the when this does happen. It's the people involved are just all very unattractive. It's just that like they're low.
  • [24:05] Keith: Um I think.
  • [24:06] Mike: People who? yeah, they're yeah and so then I think stuff does happen. But I think if if you go above a certain attractiveness level it just people don't want to do this because then you have like jealousies if people are just like look. We're all pretty ugly the men and the women I mean we're all pretty ugly here like like what and and also I have my own theory that I think that if you for for. Think that as a man becomes more Attractive. He behaves a little more like a classic woman in the sense that like he gets more selective and a woman becomes less attractive ah becomes you don't change attractiveness exactly but I mean I just mean for a less attractive or a more attractive person for a less attractive woman. She's going to behave a little more like a man because she has to and it's like in both directions like the man who's super attractive. The the model. So much pussy offered to him that he's going to be more selective and the woman who's like really ugly yeah what she's supposed to do like she if she wants to have a partner. She has to really get out there. You know.
  • [24:53] Keith: Um, yeah I think that's right I mean you're not saying anything. Ah.
  • [24:56] Mike: Well so the point is that if you want to have like this sort of poly situation like then everybody's got to be really ugly.
  • [25:02] Keith: I Would my guess would be that polypods are is that with her called pods.
  • [25:06] Mike: Really ugly I wanted you to I want I'm waiting for the adjective that goes after they are what hideous not and repeat.
  • [25:13] Keith: I was going to say generally the same level of attractiveness. But yeah I would I would expect there are fewer very attractive polypods than there are there. There are more to the left of the mean than to the right of the mean.
  • [25:22] Mike: Look when they have like when they have those porn sites that are just like they put cameras in some some purported college dorm and there's all these women cavorting with all these really attractive men. Everybody's attractive like that's not believable right? So like if I told you hey keith.
  • [25:35] Keith: Right? yeah.
  • [25:41] Mike: I know this polypod and there's like 7 people 8 people and they all have sex with each other and we're gonna look. We're gonna go watch what what level of attracted to a set of 10 would you expect it was real.
  • [25:48] Keith: I Would actually not be interested in such an exercise I would I would I would immediately I would immediately my head think like oh I know what this is no thanks like I Just not like when we had a would.
  • [25:57] Mike: So what level is so on the ah on the zero to 1 scale d zero.
  • [26:05] Keith: Yeah, you remember what we had the the ah the guest we had that was into the Kink community and she was talking about like all these sex parties I was like mildly interested. They weren't sex parties. They were like demonstration parties of various techniques.
  • [26:11] Mike: I do.
  • [26:17] Mike: Yes.
  • [26:19] Keith: I Thought that might be like it's like mildly intellectually interesting. It's not sexually interesting at all like I'm sure I I think I know what those people look like maybe I'd be wrong. Maybe I'd be surprised but I don't think so.
  • [26:22] Mike: Right.
  • [26:28] Mike: Yeah, it's interesting I don't think so either I think the people I think that unfortunately like a lot of times these things can be scored on a single Axis and the attractive for men. The attractive access is a little more attractiveness access access is a little more complicated but for the most part It's an odd. It's just.
  • [26:47] Keith: I Mean it's a little confusing to understand even like what a woman's selection Criteria are in some sort of poly situation like what what kinds of things can the man peacock to attract a woman in a poly situation.
  • [26:48] Mike: Yeah.
  • [27:04] Mike: I mean I just think that has to be like a woman who somehow has experienced a diminishment in her more feminine behavior. So a woman who's basically behaving like a dude and so then it's like well yeah, she probably just looks for physical attractiveness the same way. A man would would be my my Baseline guess I don't actually know.
  • [27:20] Keith: Yeah, yeah, if we have any listeners out there who think that they can explain this to us better we would we would love to have you on so email us at y m m b pod at gmail dot com let's do 1 of these reddit topics. Ah.
  • [27:22] Mike: Yeah, she's looking for what turns her on you know.
  • [27:32] Mike: That's true.
  • [27:39] Keith: A bunch of them today and they' most of them are kind of short so we'll see all right I liked this 1 well let me read it first. Why does my boyfriend do this during sex. We've been together for 3 years and now lived together. He never cares much about Sex. We have sex only once a month when we do. It's always dogggie style. And he covers my butt with his shirt I've only seen him naked once and he's usually the only 1 who finishes during sex. There's never any foreplay from him and I go down on him every time I've been a dancer all of my life. So I think my body is perfectly fine in term of looks I shower with him. Lots of love.
  • [27:58] Mike: That second part was important.
  • [28:16] Keith: And affection. But I'm starting to not feel like a woman anymore I just want to know why he ever always covers my butt with his shirt and does any of this behavior seem off. Thank you in Advance. So I sure I would let you react here. But interestingly almost all of the comments totally ignore this like shirt on butt thing. Ah, which I thought was the only interesting thing about this like the rest of it is like oh yeah, the standard the man's just not that interested in his monogamous partner anymore and we can talk about that but we've talked about that at Nosam and it's sort of boring. Why do you think this man puts the ah the shirt over her butt.
  • [28:49] Mike: Well I mean it's a little hard to say because she I mean she's she purports to be a dancer. So maybe her muscles. She's so muscular that it's masculine looking but but of course I'm going to go with sorry I I have to go with the obvious answer here which is that he is covering her butthole.
  • [28:54] Keith: The hurt.
  • [29:06] Keith: Yes I I think there's like like base basically 5 or 6 words I could say to this woman that can make her insecure for the rest of her life and it would. It's just sort of mean to say to no, it's just something like your butthole is gross like that's that's that's what's.
  • [29:08] Mike: He is covering her bible.
  • [29:18] Mike: Let's hear it.
  • [29:25] Keith: That's what it is like I don't know why you know? ah it could be that he's overly sensitive and she has a perfectly normal butthole and everything's fine or it could be That's there's something so repulsive that like he he is unable to stay aroused if he is if he has full view of it.
  • [29:37] Mike: What so like. Okay, so there's ah, there's a couple now yeah I was gonna I can I can give a couple but maybe you could flesh them out more. Okay, 1 I'll give you 2 1 is like some disease or something like some something like actually like just physically gross looking because.
  • [29:43] Keith: What are the failure modes is that what you're going to ask? Yeah yeah.
  • [29:52] Keith: Sure Permanent Hemorrhoid. Whatever.
  • [29:57] Mike: The second 1 that I'm going to give you is is is something you might not have thought of there's this actress I guess I would call her an actress in the x-rayed domain who I think does more amateur stuff but she has in my opinion done the she's made the mistake of having her lower half. Tattooed who is the bat the the bat like the the evil squid in the little mermaid. Yeah, okay I don't think it's exactly that actually now I think about it because I think it's more pink. It's not purple like ursa.
  • [30:26] Keith: Ursula.
  • [30:33] Mike: But she's basically had the area around there like made like so there's like squid tentacles coming out of it with tattoos I Really don't like that like like she's otherwise pretty cool and like well I mean there the the.
  • [30:37] Keith: How. Wait So The the butthole is like the mouth of the ah cephalopod.
  • [30:50] Mike: Um, not sure which exact orificic it is. They're close enough together that it's unclear like exactly what they're pointing out but you can get an idea of like the the directionality of the the tentacles here and it's It's just like you. You'll see a video and you're like oh this looks pretty hot and then it's like oh come on like what did you? Why did you do that to yourself.
  • [31:05] Keith: You like I've I've been had by this young lady before. Yeah.
  • [31:10] Mike: Well what? But why like what happened in her life that she thought that was a good decision but okay, so like so that's another thing of maybe she has some sort of body modification like that that the guy's just like look I can't tolerate this.
  • [31:20] Keith: It could be. She could have a really bad tramp stamp or some sort of animal tattoo Pattern that's not great. There's an obvious 1 I think to me that you have not said it could be super hairy.
  • [31:25] Mike: Right.
  • [31:34] Mike: Oh yeah, that's true I mean like obviously like he's dealing with it in. Okay I can probably come up with a worse way to deal with it. Um, but it's hard he could. He could have a pink butt plug he puts in there.
  • [31:47] Keith: Well, what do you think you should do.
  • [31:53] Mike: Ah, well I mean for starters like I think if you want to make a woman super sort of assembly even even a woman who ah finds doggie to be most pleasurable position I think that if if you had a sex of the woman 10 times. And every time it was just 1 hundred percent in the dog I think she's gonna be pretty unhappy. It was 1 hundred percent missionary I think that would be okay, but this position is not going to work. So probably the first step would be to not to to stop doing that I mean look he should just break up with her of course like there's no like he's just.
  • [32:12] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [32:22] Keith: Right.
  • [32:28] Mike: You know he probably has some other chick. He's banging and yeah, it's just the obvious thing.
  • [32:29] Keith: Maybe he's doing the perfunctory once a sex once a month sex having talking style with the t-shirt. Yeah he he sounds like a real a real gem. Hence it.
  • [32:36] Mike: Yeah. Yeah, you could ask her if it's an is it a nice shirt at least.
  • [32:48] Keith: Is it that wiking material. Yeah, so anyway, there's I mean this had 1500 up votes and there's hundreds of comments about various issues in their sex life. But I don't care about any of that I just thought the t-shirt thing was most interesting. Ok here's another. Ah.
  • [32:51] Mike: It's like some shitty Paypal t-shirt.
  • [33:00] Mike: Um, sure.
  • [33:08] Keith: Reddit he says my wife caught me jacking off my wife and I do not have sex while she is on her period I was feeling a little extra horny during this month's cycle. So I jacked off in the shower I guess he means during her cycle. Ah, however, my wife walked in on me this time she reached in and said let me do it so I did afterwards. And went to apologize to her. She just looked at me and said as long as it doesn't interfere with our intimacy. It is fine I smiled but she looked at me. It said turnabout is fair play I don't know what that means she said I'll use my toy whenever I want and you cannot say anything dude. Ah, can't tell if she is mad or just being cool about the whole thing. So again I don't obviously it is totally fine to masturbate when you're married. Ah, the reason why I brought this up is like are people this confused about like what is reasonable behavior or not like why. Does this person not know that it's quote unquote okay to masturbate.
  • [34:06] Mike: I'm stuck on the I'm I'm trying to picture what exactly happened in this shower so she got in the shower with him that's because it's probably the water washes off the lube and there's no roll of toilet above.
  • [34:11] Keith: I Don't like masturbating in the shower generally. But yeah.
  • [34:19] Keith: I use I told you I use I use conditioner conditioner doesn't rinse away is easily but I feel like you should have a flow chart for like location and materials available. In note.
  • [34:20] Mike: Paper towel to put on a desk in front of view and so forth I forgot I'm so sorry I forgot that let me take a note here. Yeah, it's fucking disgusting right.
  • [34:36] Keith: Be able to say exactly how I'm going to masturbate. But ah I don't think you I think you could develop this if you were if there would somebody put a gun to your head anyway. Ah yeah I think he was just masturing the shower and then she I mean I did.
  • [34:39] Mike: Jesus.
  • [34:44] Mike: I Don't want to do that.
  • [34:55] Mike: Whoop What did she just reach in now hang on hang on hang on. You're getting caught and this is a detail we need to get nailed down here. Let's say there's a show curtain and not a door if there's a door. It's even we like a show a glass shower door but let's assume there's a curtain. So.
  • [34:55] Keith: If He's said she care about Mastbraading. Why didn't he lock the door I don't understand. Okay, can't go.
  • [35:08] Keith: Um.
  • [35:11] Mike: This actually kind of hot. So basically she's let's assume she's clothed. She just sort of let's say she has a t-shirt on and she just reaches her arm in there and does it I kind of like that. It's kind of a cool scene. It be hard. She couldn't There's no way she could do it. It's that the debt with the dead man. The thing where people.
  • [35:22] Keith: Disembodied hand. It's like the glory hole of hand jobs.
  • [35:29] Mike: Like in Junior high or high school. They would say you you sleep on your arm till it falls asleep and then you beat off with it and feels like it's someone else? Yeah, yeah, it's a good technique of course, not.
  • [35:34] Keith: Right? Rights I remember that I had thought about that in decades. Ah I do remember trying it. It doesn't work. It doesn't work.
  • [35:47] Mike: Your hand is like just totally not responsive. It's ridiculous.
  • [35:49] Keith: Right? Um, well in the preposterous does it The situation generally just sort of hits you as soon as you make the attempt. So.
  • [35:57] Mike: I mean women generally are already like challenged in terms of having the right musculature to do that act and so I really am skeptical that you can yeah God This you think that's the key.
  • [36:03] Keith: They have the musculature they don't have the um propeoception that I think I think I can adjust my grip like I I can.
  • [36:17] Mike: Okay, hang on hang on. We should yeah we should define this for the stupid people listening app proprioception is like you know like I can feel both my cock and my hand and so on I can like.
  • [36:19] Keith: Yeah I have nerve Endings both in my penis and my hand.
  • [36:30] Mike: Nowhere to like stop and turn around and go back down and stuff like that. But I don't think that's the issue because women get tired.
  • [36:32] Keith: It Yeah, it's formally. It's your body's ability to to sense movement action and location and people normally talk about propoc perception in a different context like ah with balance. But I think it was appropriate here right? Not with maximizing thattiratory pleasure.
  • [36:37] Mike: Fine.
  • [36:43] Mike: Oh not with their cock. Yeah now I understood what you meant I just I just knew that like half of our listeners were like what I was here for the porn. Um, okay or they're from they're from Germany or whatever. So but a bit. Okay, so.
  • [36:53] Keith: Okay, could save.
  • [37:00] Keith: Ah, this.
  • [37:02] Mike: The the point I was making is that like you don't have a whole lot of leverage If you're reaching your arm and trying to get wet like it's kind of an amazing thing and also it's it's she can get her arm wet but she doesn't get her whole body in there and so she has to kind of reach in. She's that she's at a disadvantaged leverage wise.
  • [37:08] Keith: Why can't Why can't she get her arm wet. Oh I say I say.
  • [37:20] Mike: She can't like put her elbow against something and so she's sort and so it's like it's a little unbelievable like see this is the thing is like I'm starting I'm I'm thinking about the story you told I'm thinking I'm not sure this happened this doesn't sound like have you ever had this happen have anybody.
  • [37:31] Keith: Ah know why would I be masturbating in the shower when my girlfriend was around like I would wait for her to leave like this I mean if I don't have a living girlfriend. So I you know that's not yeah.
  • [37:39] Mike: Um, well that's a good question or.
  • [37:48] Mike: Let me ask you this. So if your girlfriend when you yeah I mean hang on hang on hang on hang on what percentage of the time when your girlfriend is within a Hundred feet of you. Okay, if your girlfriend gets within a Hundred feet of you 3 hundred feet say within 3 hundred feet of you.
  • [37:51] Keith: Oh it was like it was during a period. That's what was going on so he knew that he had yeah okay sorry, go ahead.
  • [38:04] Keith: E.
  • [38:07] Mike: And knows you know it's just it doesn't just okay, what percentage of the time does she exit that 3 hundred foot circle around you without you ejaculating.
  • [38:12] Keith: Um.
  • [38:19] Mike: Like like does she iss just is she know the like basically this is like the the keith ticket it's like if she want is it a Hundred. Is it a zero percent of the time she gets out of there. She has to there has to be a nut gotten out. Jesus.
  • [38:27] Keith: Yeah, we I mean we've been seeing each other 6 or seven months and yeah I would say basically 1 hundred percent of the time we get within each other's orbit. We have sex. It's not a hundred but it's it's over Ninety.
  • [38:41] Mike: All right. It's interesting. That's an interesting. Yeah sure. Yeah and I mean that's a that's a the price to pay.
  • [38:44] Keith: Yeah I think that's how young relationships are or at least in my experience. Yeah, what anyway I okay. I don't understand like just generally when I read these reddit threads. First off, we talked about the grammar last episode or 2 episodes ago like I just generally find it intolerable but I can't tell if these are real or not like who is asking these questions like this could be a woman. This could be a woman who is mad that her husband was beating off and so she like writes this. And such a way to try to prove herself right? but I I don't know I just can't imagine being married and feeling strange feeling like there's like some sort of major issue in the relationship because she walked in on me masturbating like I don't know.
  • [39:35] Mike: Well, that's not really I mean that's not the is that is that the topic there I mean is it is it The is it I think I mean it's unclear to me whether it's like that whether the problem is the walking in part or the problem is like the.
  • [39:37] Keith: I Just can't relate.
  • [39:53] Mike: Oh you'll do what you want on your own time and I'll do what I want on my own time right? I'm not sure if that's like the you know but I mean like generally like generally you would avoid being walked in on right? why.
  • [39:56] Keith: M.
  • [40:06] Keith: Yes, but I don't know I think it's a no I think it's a little bit embarrassing to a female for their partner to be like masturbating when they're.
  • [40:11] Mike: But why. But why let's say if you're yeah, see this is like a natural. It's like a natural thing.
  • [40:25] Keith: When they're near and available.
  • [40:27] Mike: Really, that's your rationale Huh you're saving her feelings that doesn't that doesn't ring right to me to me. It's like it's more like to me, it's more like ah it's more like.
  • [40:29] Keith: Yeah I think that's. Yes, yes, What do you.
  • [40:46] Mike: Look I don't want to like you don't want to impose on the other person. The fact that like your expectation or nuts per week is higher than theirs or what you know like you're you're trying to be like well you're trying to be like sort of you know, not force this upon the other person. Like well yeah I actually want this to happen this frequently and and actually and there's another thing there too which is sometimes you want to do it Alone. So it's like yeah you know you don't want them to feel like ah that gets more to your point I guess it's like oh they they're you know you're rejecting them.
  • [41:09] Keith: Yeah I mean. I look I think I think my partners it's okay, yeah, so a few things 1 yeah, you don't want them to feel excluded or not desired. Ah, even though all my partners I've ever had have known that I also masturbate I would still. Not masturbate in a way that they're going to catch me and yeah and then there's also you know 1 or both parties might be saving themselves for the other right? like it's cut like if you turn down sex and then they catch you masturbating. That's even worse right? They you know.
  • [41:39] Mike: 5
  • [41:54] Keith: Then they know you're choosing masturbating over them. That's not. It's not great. It's not great. So anyway.
  • [41:55] Mike: Um, sure yeah sort of I Guess it's sort of similar. It's basically like what whatever your need. They're not fitting into it and you don't want you want to sort of like hide that on some level.
  • [42:08] Keith: Right? right.
  • [42:10] Mike: It's a little I mean there's also I think an element of like the same emotion that like you have where you don't want your mom to walk in on you I think it's sort of the same. It's like this thing and you're like well I don't know like it's just private.
  • [42:20] Keith: Yeah, it's a little embarrassing I would be less embarrassed if I was walked in and on the shower than I was if I was walked in while I was like dead eyed staring at my computer monitor I think that's I think that's worse like I don't think.
  • [42:32] Mike: Um, that's true. That's true. Yeah, at least you could credibly argue you were thinking about them here with the monitor just be like sorry that this and then it's like she's like what what is painal.
  • [42:38] Keith: Yeah.
  • [42:42] Keith: Right. Like really, you're really teasing this ah painal thread for next week we got yeah we got. We definitely got to do it next week okay all right here's the next thread of topic ah sucking on a women's nipples is often done for her pleasure right? So should I be self-conscious that I 30 3 year old male find it really comforting and relaxing to do.
  • [42:51] Mike: Well, it's just the thing for sure.
  • [43:07] Keith: I'm not into adult nursing breastfeeding that he really shouldn't have led with that because I wasn't thinking that but that he said that now. No I wonder but I find sucking on women's nipples really pleasurable and not only in a sexual sense but also in a comforting relaxing sense to Relieve stress or unwind after a long day. It's just so loving and nurturing. Sometimes I'll even do it in bed when I'm Sleepy so. It's like adult nursing without the milk. Yes, he he said it again which has sort of betraying his his claims that it's not about adult nursing should I be self-conscious of this dynamic. Do you think some women will find it weird is it something that I should explain to future partners. Thanks.
  • [43:36] Mike: Right.
  • [43:45] Mike: I Wanted to point out that ah adult nursing is a foreign genre that we can review later but go on.
  • [43:52] Keith: Um, ah I I was going to say I I flat out find that disgusting but didn't we would I I there I saw a video once.
  • [44:03] Mike: Good Then we definitely have to review it.
  • [44:11] Keith: And a woman was was lactating and it was it was it was kind of hot I Wonder if I can find that video and I can share it with you in that we can discuss.
  • [44:19] Mike: It's better if they're 2 women if there's a man then you're always going to have like the facial hair which makes it kind of gross. It's got some beard but okay, so so but so you think that that's what's going on I mean the thing that I think I would think the most women would find this annoying because it's like.
  • [44:23] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • [44:35] Mike: It's not a benign activity for the woman. It's not like you're sucking on her toe right? like it. It actually is like going to Trigger Arousal or annoyance or something and so it's not just totally benign like for her. She's not going to be like okay like that does nothing to me. It's going to be like yeah this is getting annoying.
  • [44:37] Keith: Right.
  • [44:43] Keith: Right? right? Yeah I think there's a few different axes here. So.
  • [44:52] Mike: You know? so she's sort of I would be. He's tolerating it basically.
  • [45:01] Keith: There's things that are sort of feel good and don't feel good and then there's things that are sexual and nonsexual so somebody just like massaging like the point of your elbow doesn't really do anything like it doesn't feel bad but it doesn't feel great. Somebody. You know. Touching you know like that spot on the back of your neck that like often stores tension that that can feel good and so you sort of have that axis and then yeah I think that like on the non-sexual sexual axis I think like nipple fondling or sucking or whatever for a woman it it varies by woman. But I think for a lot of women. It can be arousing somewhere between low and all the way up to high like you know someone would report that they can orgasm from nipple sucking. So yeah I I would expect that most women would actually find this sort of annoying especially if the man was trying to do it in a nonsexual way.
  • [45:55] Mike: Yeah, and also like I don't think I mean the whatever he's like it's it's calming and stuff like that like this is some sort of weird. So I mean is there. There's no more to it like he's He's not going to admit that like he he's been foisting this on his partner.
  • [46:09] Keith: Look It's obvious this guy It's obvious this guy is into actual adult nursing play but setting that aside, you can imagine a man enjoying just fondling nipples for comfort nonsexually and.
  • [46:11] Mike: Probably doesn't want it to be happening.
  • [46:24] Mike: I don't particularly like milk. So I'm not a big fan of that and also I don't like ah interacting with other people's bodies if I'm not aroused.
  • [46:27] Keith: Yeah I.
  • [46:34] Keith: Do you like all kinds of milk equally like how do you feel about almond milk versus cow milk versus Goat's milk.
  • [46:40] Mike: I don't like milk. Well almond milk isn't milk right? So it's just basically like I don't even know what that tastes like exactly I don't think I've ever had like actual just glass of almond milk I Just don't like any of it. It tastes sort of stale may.
  • [46:47] Keith: Okay, all right fine. We can just compare mammal milk. How how do you feel about cow versus sheep versus goat. But do you dislike them all equally what I'm trying to figure out here is is there room here for you to love human breast milk but you just don't know it yet.
  • [47:03] Mike: No human Human Breastbook is gross I don't like it I mean I I've tried human because I have kids like any like any guy.
  • [47:08] Keith: What how do you know? I see Yeah okay I don't want I don't I don't really want to double click on this. Yeah and I'm sure I'm sure I agree I'm sure like every man's tried it if their wife is lactating I'm sure. Yeah.
  • [47:21] Mike: Of course yeah and it's like you. You're sort of like well I mean because it's like it's it's yeah I mean like it's sort of hard to avoid. It's actually kind of annoying like I think whatever the opposite of an adult breastfeeding fetish is like adult. What do you call it adult whatever it is I have the opposite of that I want them not I want them to dry up.
  • [47:36] Keith: Oh yeah, what did he? oh.
  • [47:40] Mike: And what what dry breasts. Ah, it's like how do how do you stop doing this like I get I can understand like at some like intellectual level the allure but the problem is it just doesn't taste good. You can also by the way Keith if you work. Yeah.
  • [47:41] Keith: Yeah, yeah, right.
  • [47:52] Keith: Is it. Do you remember? do you remember the flavor profile.
  • [47:59] Mike: Yeah, it was sort of metallic. It was like milk except metallic. It just didn't taste good. It wasn't I was like ah this is pros. It wasn't like a twizzler or something.
  • [48:04] Keith: Um, I would think it it Maybe it isn't maybe it is adaptive that adults don't like the taste in children. Do.
  • [48:14] Mike: Well I mean at that age the child doesn't like and dislike things right? I mean they just have this like behavior. So don't even know they just like spicy things. Sure yeah.
  • [48:19] Keith: Um, I think they dislike some things but yeah, like right? But yeah I guess they will consume just about any milk like if you give them formula or regular milk or whatever they'll they'll eat all of that without.
  • [48:34] Mike: I Just I wanted to say though that if if people ever go back to offices which is very much up in the air right now if they do you know it's fairly common for women who are lactating to pump milk and then leave it in the refrigerator so you can simply take some if you're curious.
  • [48:36] Keith: Asking questions.
  • [48:48] Keith: Good pro tip. Yeah, that's good. All right, Let's talk about the insanely flexible partner I Hope this person didn't remove the post. Okay.
  • [48:57] Mike: No good. This is another good polling category actually that we haven't reviewed I'll take a note.
  • [49:03] Keith: Yeah, there's a famous porn Star who's super flexible. Ah oh I remember her name we write it down here all right I'll bring her up in a moment. Okay, okay.
  • [49:09] Mike: Yeah, okay I put it I put ah put this in our little spreadsheet. Yeah.
  • [49:16] Keith: Ah, this person says girlfriend is insanely flexible and told me to do whatever I want to anyone have any ideas. She's a gymnast and a yogi who's flexible. Beyond words I made a joke the other day when she was doing yoga in the living room that we should use that in the bedroom to my surprise she said whatever you want with a wink I got a little excited but I'm not sure where to start. Anyone have any ideas or places to try things out.
  • [49:37] Mike: I mean yeah, there's like a fairly well I mean look there if you search like gymnast gymnast porn. You'll find stuff like this on Pornhub or any of your favorite tube sites and like you can see kind of what's possible. Um I think that generally I mean I'm not I'm normal I'm not flexible.
  • [49:44] Keith: Me.
  • [49:56] Mike: But I think generally when like a woman is doing like extreme flexibility stuff like it's a little bit uncomfortable and so like you're not I'm not sure that would necessarily be connected with Arousal but I mean like you can get probably to some level of like crazy flexibility like but typical things you'll see are like the thing where they hook their knees like behind their shoulders.
  • [50:13] Keith: Yes, yeah.
  • [50:16] Mike: For example or the splits is a really common 1 though that you can see women doing like splits where it's almost like backward a little bit. It's surprisingly so the thing you I think is a guy like the fantasy when you first search online for a woman doing the splits on a porn site. You think somehow it's just she's just gonna be like.
  • [50:34] Keith: Right.
  • [50:35] Mike: Split open like youre this imagination of like and and and actually that's not what happens like it does it matters surprisingly little like the position. The exact position of the legs appears not to matter much to how like that the pelvis works and frustratingly that's just not how intelligent design was done or.
  • [50:44] Keith: Yep.
  • [50:52] Mike: Evolution if you believe in that.
  • [50:55] Keith: Um, yeah I mean I peruse the comments here because I've dated a a couple really flexible girls I dated a yoga instructor for a while and yeah, there just wasn't anything that useful about it I mean.
  • [51:13] Mike: What was the most useful. Yeah.
  • [51:14] Keith: You know when she puts her legs up I mean she could put her legs up over her head and then I mean I guess I could have asked her to like cross them behind you know, maybe the back of her head or something but it's it's like ah that there's more style than substance there. It doesn't materially change the feeling.
  • [51:28] Mike: Well hang on. Let me let me give you let me give you a position and and get your feedback on this because long ago I was with somebody who who I could do the following I could spread her legs very wide right? Just the normal way. But then I could put my hands.
  • [51:32] Keith: Or the experience.
  • [51:42] Keith: Um.
  • [51:48] Mike: On them and I could put my weight on her legs and it didn't bother her if that makes sense so like basically my entire weight instead of being like say on the ground like normally you would position your hands on like the bed or the floor on either side of her Torso or chest I could actually put my weight my hands. So my a large amount of my weight was on her legs and that made them.
  • [51:49] Keith: Um.
  • [52:07] Mike: Made them Well it just made it so there was an extreme amount of like you know pressure Pelvic area pressure from my body like can you imagine what I'm talking about maybe didn't maybe know Yeah I Hope that was obvious maybe I.
  • [52:16] Keith: No, the girls and she she's on her back in the situation. Okay, yeah, what do you mean by wide like on what axis.
  • [52:27] Mike: She's on her back. She's got her legs spread as wide as she can like imagine Okay, imagine this, she's got her legs. Okay fine. So she's lying on her back. She has her knees sort of imagine she puts her legs literally straight up in the air and then spreads them spreads them out right? So her knees are falling to the sides right.
  • [52:40] Keith: Um, okay, it makes a v.
  • [52:47] Mike: But her and her her feet are not on the floor like her feet are still up in the air right? Maybe perpendicular to her something like that now imagine it keeps which goes wider and wider and wider. But what I could do is I could put my hands on her in her thighs and put my weight on there and it would force them even wider and that did not seem did not.
  • [52:50] Keith: Yes, 45 degrees or something. Ah, but.
  • [53:06] Keith: Yeah I mean I think when most people do the splits they do it in the other on the other axis. Yeah I see right? Yeah I see.
  • [53:06] Mike: Was not painful for her.
  • [53:11] Mike: I know I'm just giving you a position that ah yeah, right. Usually they go forward and back which is like just sort of contorts. The vagina in a way that's totally useless. But I'm giving you another option in seeing whether like with this yoga instructor that would have been compelling to you to sort of like so you you get the feeling that your hands are like splitting her open.
  • [53:27] Keith: Right? right? But okay, all right next time.
  • [53:30] Mike: You're you're you're putting maximum pressure on her pelvis to open it and I liked that I liked I was good. No, you didn't think of it God Damn it Keith Okay, all right.
  • [53:38] Keith: I I didn't I you know missed the opportunity I know it's terrible.
  • [53:46] Mike: You miss the end. Your current girlfriend is not a yogi or very flexible.
  • [53:48] Keith: I would say she has an average amount to flexibility. Maybe a little bit above average I mean it's not. It's not ah all right. There's got all right? We've got a couple more here. Maybe just 1 We've been going almost an hour here. All this person says pegging is great.
  • [53:53] Mike: That's just terrible hooker right? right.
  • [54:08] Keith: Hey everyone I'm your typical straight male I I'll but I'll be the judge of that ah of' your typical straight male and have been depriving myself of a great experience. So the I have for the most part had a pretty vanilla sex life.
  • [54:10] Mike: Yeah, know you're not yeah exactly.
  • [54:24] Keith: I noticed in the shower when I would let my girlfriend wash my ass and concentrate on the my hole I think it means I think you meant to say yeah.
  • [54:29] Mike: Let her wait wait. Let her This is not This is either a make her or ask her to this is not a letter like women. Let guys watch their boobs guys. Don't let women watch their butthole but okay, go on. He's like my it's such a great area of my body.
  • [54:41] Keith: Right? Yeah what I would let my girlfriend wash my ass and concentrate on on my whole I would always and I mean always have a lot of precom when I would dry after the shower eventually I would warm up to the idea of letting her eat my ass after a shower. Wow.
  • [54:49] Mike: Um, my god.
  • [54:58] Mike: Letting her a guess letting her. He's like and then I let her read my poof.
  • [55:00] Keith: Glad I did wow was in wall is in all cops. Yeah, which we tried pegging for the first time we tried pegging for the first time and I'm absolutely hooked. The feeling is so hard to explain as to how good it is dudes give it a try before you knock it so all right? We've talked about pegging plenty i.
  • [55:16] Mike: Yeah.
  • [55:19] Keith: We we could talk about it some more but this is another 1 of these threads where like yeah, there's there's something buried in the details here that that that peakd my interests which is he had a lot of precom when he would dry after the shower. What I I mean sometimes.
  • [55:31] Mike: Yeah, it's a little weird.
  • [55:39] Keith: When I get aroused if I get like pretty close to to orgasming. Ah yeah, actually I'm not even sure I was trying to imagine a situation where like after the shower there's semen sort of dripping out Precom or post come.
  • [55:53] Mike: Not dripping not dripping but like it could be Yeah, there could be fluident I mean the thing way I've noticed this before is like when you go pee like the piece sort of forces force it like you can see. There's like something kind of stringy that comes out a little bit. Yeah, so that that's it's like oh yeah, you have to think back like what aroused me so it's not total like I think I know what he's talking about. Basically.
  • [56:02] Keith: A little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • [56:13] Mike: Imagining that he's in the shower with her. He's got a boner the whole time and so the water's washed away something but then he gets out and like more comes out. Okay, um I guess I could imagine like the getting your butthole washed. It doesn't seem like it would take that long right.
  • [56:21] Keith: But like.
  • [56:31] Mike: How long can that possibly take is she going in a couple knuckles
  • [56:31] Keith: I don't know I don't know and then mike is the way that you tell if you were aroused is if like five minutes later you look down there and see if there was some precumb like don't you remember the erection.
  • [56:46] Mike: Ah, no I mean this is hang on this is this is recognizable to me in the sense that like yes, but like you you may not been the focus you of your attention in this guy's case it sounds like his heiness was the focus of his attention.
  • [57:01] Keith: But it sounds like.
  • [57:02] Mike: And then so I have had the experience where later like I'm like oh Wow I must have been more aroused than I thought or something.
  • [57:07] Keith: Really I mean it sounds like the way this guy is determining whether or not he is aroused is yeah I have but but it it wouldn't be like oh interesting I have some precom I must have really been aroused in that situation I would just remember being really aroused in that situation.
  • [57:10] Mike: You know how this happened like making I was yeah making making it with moving in a car or something.
  • [57:21] Mike: Are you'd know right? It wouldn't be surprising That's true true I mean it would but it would it might amp up your estimate over your level of arousal. But I mean yeah I mean the main problem here is it's like.
  • [57:26] Keith: I don't need like I don't need to examine for evidence.
  • [57:33] Keith: It might I guess.
  • [57:41] Mike: Yeah I mean I'm I I don't I I assume I assume that other people don't want to lick my asshole and so when he says he let let her do that. It's like well like if you carry it's like it's like everybody lets everybody else do the things they I let him clean my toilet.
  • [57:50] Keith: That's a safe assumption.
  • [57:59] Keith: I Okay I understand what you're saying here. But I am going to offer something I'm I'm not really defending him but I would use I would use that expression occasionally when saying that somebody get.
  • [58:00] Mike: Like okay well you know.
  • [58:15] Keith: Gave me a blowjob I would say let them give me a blowjob because often my experience is often that I'm like trying to avoid it and they are trying to not avoid it. But I think I'm very unusual in that respect and yeah, there's there's a difference between there's a difference between blowjobs and.
  • [58:19] Mike: It's yeah.
  • [58:27] Mike: Yeah, he doesn't it doesn't come across that way.
  • [58:34] Keith: Rimming which is what he let her do in this case.
  • [58:35] Mike: Um, I Just don't think yeah I don't think there's a large proportion of women who want to do that I don't know I was watching this porn couple days ago as Lesbian a lesbian porn and they they did a very nice job Sometimes I I Really enjoy the cinematography. Is that what this is like the camera work like how they frame cinematography This is like how you frame the picture in the in the in the in the movie is that what that word is for okay I'm not a movie person. Sure.
  • [58:57] Keith: I Think so yeah I mean there's I think I think there might actually be a difference between the director of photography and a cinematoer but I don't know what the difference is maybe once more technical and once more artistic, but whatever I know what you're saying you're the person who's in charge of of choosing the angle.
  • [59:07] Mike: Oo Yeah, Okay, right? and they basically framed it very well where like sort of I don't want to get big and get back into like leg positioning for women basically like her legs were slightly spread and very far toward her shoulders and there was the other woman kind of licking in there like. Did a really good job of like getting kind of the butthole framed as kind of like a it looks like a volcano to top there like she it's it's it's ah you know it's actually almost coming out like the the the sphincter there. Ah but then the woman's.
  • [59:35] Keith: Nice. What do? what do they call the top of a volcano.
  • [59:43] Mike: I Don't know what the word is I have to think about it cinder cone I don't know but the ah the woman is sort of the other woman who's got who's holding the naked woman's legs back is then sort of licking all around and in the crater of volcano there and I'm thinking to myself like I just I don't think I've.
  • [59:47] Keith: I'll look it up.
  • [59:59] Keith: Um.
  • [01:00:03] Mike: Maybe like look look people women in particularly are good at kind of concealing but men too like it's part of what this podcast is about like people conceal all this stuff like they don't Yeah,, there's other sex podcasts where people like say these things but a lot of it's just Bullshit. You know like oh I like that Paul polyamory thing we heard at the beginning like these are just these just mentally Ill people like saying nonsense like we're talking Like. We're actually saying what real normal people say but there are some weird behaviors out there. But I still find it really hard to picture like large masses of Lesbian women doing that because it's like just why like they don't have to do that like for a guy look guys get all horned up.
  • [01:00:31] Keith: Yeah.
  • [01:00:39] Mike: And need and want to they want to violate their partner maximally into the what if she licks my butthole that'll really do it I understand that but like I just don't think women want to do that like I think it's really uncommon for women want to lick buttholes. Yeah, that.
  • [01:00:41] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [01:00:49] Keith: Yeah I agree but I'm not the right person to ask about this because I can't even understand why women want to perform oral like it just doesn't.
  • [01:00:58] Mike: You did have anal sex without a condom though. Yeah now you have a have a bladder infection bladder infection all over the place that's because you're long urethra. Well, it's not that long.
  • [01:01:01] Keith: I did I did you you you tricked me there. But yeah I did no bladder infection. Yes, she um.
  • [01:01:16] Keith: All right? That's enough for episode 48 of your mileage may vary. Thanks for listening email us at y mmv pod at gmail dot com for ten dollars and give us a rate and review as well and we will catch you next time.