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Episode 49: Auto-Cunnilingus, MMF Threesomes, Faux Incest Porn, Extended Sex Romps

Team YMMV | 1-13-2022 | 58:42

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We start with a video showing auto-cunnilingus. Hard to believe it's real. Maybe it's not?

A woman claims that she can't tell when her partner's penis is inside of her. She actually thinks he's not inside her when he is. Is this a size issue, and if so is he too small or is she too big? Or is it a completely normal state of affairs?

We return to the ever-popular topic of MMF threesomes, and what it would take for a man to want to engage in one. Is it worth doing an MMF to get an MFF? And keep in mind the difference between MMF and MFM.

Why has incest become such a trope in online porn? Do people actually want to watch that? Is there any way to get people to admit that it's their preference?

And, how should someone prepare for five days of continuous sex?

To follow along with the video discussed at the beginning of the episode:

https://ymmv.me/49/auto-cunnilingus

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/49/cant-feel

https://ymmv.me/49/mmf

https://ymmv.me/49/incest-porn

https://ymmv.me/49/romp

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and thanks for joining us on your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with an unusual combination of frankness honesty and humor. We have our usual assortment of outrageous topics today including a discussion about someone's girlfriend who can't tell when her boyfriend's penis is inside of her and of course our usual. Viewing and analysis segment. But first I am Keith my co-host is Mike Happy 2022 Mike okay.
  • [00:24] Mike: Happy 2022 to you Keith I notice how you snuck in that topic about the small penis guy. That's that's your friend right.
  • [00:31] Keith: This month okay we haven't gotten to the topic. That's but but we we will we will we will suit. Ah, it's now time for the reminder that you could ask us questions or give us feedback at YMM the pod at http://gmail.com
  • [00:38] Mike: My my friend I'm asking for a friend. Okay go on.
  • [00:50] Keith: We pay $10 for everything we receive at that address. Just let us know how you'd like to be paid in our email. Ah, let's do the porn segment first and then we'll get to the girl who can't feel when her boyfriend is inside of her. What do you have for us today. Mike.
  • [01:05] Mike: All right? Well we haven't ah done this for a couple weeks but we will. We'll have this in the show notes new listeners can of course go to the show notes and get the link and we urge you to follow along. We're gonna open this video and go to 30 seconds in and then we'll count down.
  • [01:20] Keith: Okay.
  • [01:23] Mike: Keith has not seen it at all and will commentate.
  • [01:25] Keith: I can see I can see the I can see the thumbnail and the title and I can see what's coming here but I won't spoil us.
  • [01:30] Mike: She has a nice Apple watch on with the pink band. Nice product placement there. So yeah, we'll ah I'll narrate a bit of it and then we can discuss it afterward. So let me know when you're ready Keith.
  • [01:42] Keith: Okay, all right I'm going to start this in 3 to 1 starting.
  • [01:46] Mike: So it's a woman with a nice pink banded Apple watch. She's ah, kind of doing a gymnastics pose where she is able to lick her own vulva. That's the surprising part of this. She's like completely bent over. She's now sort of rubbing it with her fingers.
  • [01:58] Keith: Right? right.
  • [02:04] Mike: And looking longingly at the camera she obviously isn't that comfortable and now she's just going in for another taste unclear whether this is enjoyable. My guess is no kind of using her. She's really long yellow fingernails too. All right? Why don't we pause it.
  • [02:13] Keith: Yeah, this seems like a parlor trick. Yeah, okay.
  • [02:22] Mike: So Keith how many times have you been with a woman who can do this.
  • [02:24] Keith: Ah, undeterminable indeterminate. But I'm guessing zero. This doesn't seem like an easy ah this this this. This woman is very bendy, very flexible.
  • [02:38] Mike: I got curious about this because there's so many videos of men doing something similar or the the male equivalent of this of course it's easier for a man and for the men. Yeah for the men in the in the audience I don't know if we've done this before but I encourage you to.
  • [02:45] Keith: Much easier.
  • [02:53] Mike: Just as like a thought experiment get an a regular sheet of paper which is about eight and a half inches wide you can make it into a cylinder by just sort of rolling it up and then take that cylinder and actually a woman could do this too and just put it put it against your pointing out from your crotch and that gives you an idea of a large you know a rather large penis where it would go out to and you'll notice that if you do that. Like you could totally lick it like an ice cream cone like even if you're not that flexible. Um Keith is trying right now I think yeah, right? Yeah so I mean a problem that men have of course is like when you kind of.
  • [03:18] Keith: Yeah I think I could reach ah I art can reach I I think I'm comfortable revealing that my penis is shorter than eight and a half inches
  • [03:32] Mike: Do that to your body like and this would be true for this woman too like your pelvis kind of naturally shifts away from you a little bit so it's actually a little harder than that. Ah, your stomach gets in the way depending on how many ah crunches you do every day and how low your body fat percentage is this woman's obviously is quite low to have very little in the in the way there.
  • [03:48] Keith: Yeah, she's very flexible too.
  • [03:50] Mike: Um, but but this would just be essentially a person being able to do that with a zero inch penis so that's that's pretty remarkable by the way I mean this is one way one way you know that there's some kind of hard limit on the length of men's penises is this like if a guy has a you know fifteen inch penis like you could take 2 sheets of paper and do that or or make the. Paper lengthwise is eleven inches and then it's like just slapping you in the face constantly I mean it's just so big and that's how you know the like people who say their penis is that big are probably not telling the truth.
  • [04:13] Keith: Right. Well yeah, also because that's like 7 standard deviations above the mean and average length. So ah auto what is this called auto cunning Linus. Okay, yeah I know it's called auto fileacio when you can give yourself a blowjob would you think that the percentage of women who can.
  • [04:27] Mike: Ah.
  • [04:37] Keith: Auto Go down on themselves is greater or less than the percentage of men who can.
  • [04:44] Mike: Substantially less just because it's so much more of a physical feat. Yeah, in general that's true. But I mean I think like this yeah, let's say this like there. There is a subreddit dedicated to this I can't I can't remember the name maybe somebody could email in and.
  • [04:45] Keith: Yes, but of course women are more flexible.
  • [04:59] Keith: Yeah.
  • [05:00] Mike: Remind me but there there is actually might be auto auto the auto cunnolingus subreddit maybe and essentially basically every video in there is fake and the way they fake it is they just have 2 women and so then they and then they sort of do the angle so that like. Ah, you can sort of imagine It's basically one woman is sort of like leaned over and then the other woman's body is the pelvis part and with her legs kind of up and you and then they kind of crop the image in a way to make it difficult to tell.
  • [05:25] Keith: Is there enough Demand is there enough demand for autocunning linguus content that people are compelled to fake it.
  • [05:32] Mike: There Apparently yes, but I don't think there is much demand for this for a variety of reasons and like there's no women that are into it because it's obviously just much like the male equivalent. It's not actually that pleasurable than activity which one.
  • [05:44] Keith: How do you know that Mike how do you know that it's not pleasurable to autofilate.
  • [05:51] Mike: I Mean everybody online says that it's more like giving a blow than receiving one and it makes sense to me I mean it's so like you're you're having to sort of crunch your body together like that. Oh I see I see where we're like.
  • [06:00] Keith: Have have you ever? ah hopefully in your life.
  • [06:07] Mike: Not really, not really when I was ah when I was in high school I was I was extremely flexible and I could sort of get it down there to the point where like I could touch it with my tongue but that was it Yes yes, but it but not like it like but yeah I mean the point is like you could just like it was more of like a.
  • [06:11] Keith: Yes I I I remember I remember you mentioning this like ten years ago ah
  • [06:22] Keith: Okay, you couldn't actually you couldn't You couldn't try to give yourself a ah good blow job because you couldn't It was what you couldn't actually reach and can you speculate about whether if you could reach how it would have felt.
  • [06:23] Mike: Oh can I do this kind of thing but it wasn't in any way pleasurable.
  • [06:38] Mike: Bad because because I mean you're you ah you would be curving your spine so much that it just wouldn't it would just be painful the whole time and yeah, you wouldn't and and also like another thing to consider is that like I mean I've watched. You know videos of men doing this to themselves and like it's pretty obvious if you watch the video that it's hard for him to nut to get the nut out sorry to ah to finish sleeping with his lady try to say it for the women you men men like to just think about as like I gotta get a nut out here. So.
  • [07:07] Keith: Um, ah right? Ah, if you could if you were so flexible that the discomfort from contorting your body wasn't an issue or if you had do you know that video game portal.
  • [07:24] Mike: Yeah, sure. Yeah.
  • [07:27] Keith: Okay, if you had a portal gun where you could just you know I don't I don't know how many of our listeners know this game but it's you could if it's you could like stick your hole in one hole you could stick your penis in one hole and it would come out the other hole and you wouldn't so you'd really you'd be effectively blowing yourself without the discomfort of the body contortion. Do you think that that would be better than masturbating by hand.
  • [07:52] Mike: Good question. Um, probably probably ah but yeah I yeah I think so but um, the yeah, the the question would be whether you enjoyed.
  • [07:57] Keith: Me. So.
  • [08:02] Keith: I Don't know.
  • [08:10] Mike: But it's so difficult I mean like like I think that's not the first thing that I would do if I had such a portal. Probably yeah, that's true that would be more that would be a more complicated usage of the portal because you'd have to like? yeah.
  • [08:14] Keith: Oh the first thing is you would auto sodomize.
  • [08:21] Keith: Would you'd have to be in special set up room like it could have to be very narrow so you could thrust in one side of the room and then penetrate yourself from the other side.
  • [08:30] Mike: That's right? Well, you'd have to but when you as you thrust in, you'd be moving your anus forward so you actually wouldn't it would do it. You actually I think you would just be missing constantly because you're at your butt and your penis would move forward.
  • [08:38] Keith: Oh that's a great point. You would need the wall itself would have to move as you as you thrust it. Ah this is actually pretty funny but most people don't know what portal is so um, maybe we should move on. Um, yeah, and then yeah I mean.
  • [08:44] Mike: Yeah I think so what I think is if if that were.
  • [08:51] Mike: Sure.
  • [08:58] Keith: Do you think any women can bring themselves to or probably I mean and any is a large set right? There's 4000000000 women on the planet. Ah well now I want to know I want to know if they can auto cunning linguus themselves to orgasm I'm sure they can't.
  • [09:04] Mike: Sure I mean if you especially if you involved vibrator I'm sure it's possible, but it's you know, not going to be their preferred activity. So you know there's no, there's no g in that word, right? You know that.
  • [09:18] Keith: Oh how do you spell cunning linus.
  • [09:22] Mike: CUNNIL I n g u s like k Linus like Linus is the tongue and kant. Yeah, there's no g. There's no there. There is no g kind of see you.
  • [09:32] Keith: Connie Cunnie Linus yeah was saying it right? There is a g yes, there is you just said it g what am I missing here I know it's not fun, but but we're we're here now. So.
  • [09:41] Mike: This is not good content Keith but you okay, fine kind of the word is cunninglingus c u n n I l I n g u s cun oflingus oh sorry there's no g but you're right, there's no g after the c u n n I n there's no it's not cunning. It's not cunning.
  • [09:50] Keith: That's a g You just said she.
  • [09:54] Keith: Ah, okay, right, right? right? right? It's it's cunny liningus. Okay, all right fine. All right boy this that's last 5 minutes here it's been really, really terrific between portal and how to spell cunning Linus all right? So ah I wonder if this woman can bring herself to or that look obviously if.
  • [09:59] Mike: You're pronouncing it like cunning linguist Exactly Yes, you're right? There is a g. Yes.
  • [10:14] Keith: The the dominant cases they're just doing. It is a parlor trick and I'm surprised in the this this link is on X videos and X videos has some you know recommendations for other things I might like to watch and there's a couple other women here who look like they're attempting the same trick.
  • [10:15] Mike: Of course.
  • [10:29] Mike: Yes, if you're really clever. You can find the women trying to do Analingus Auto Anallingus Now I may I made that up it can't be done. No.
  • [10:34] Keith: No, that's that's a bridge too far that can't be done. You know? okay okay I mean I bet. There's a not I'm just looking at the anatomy of this of the girl in this thumbnail here. She can't she she can barely reach the top of her vagina. But if she could go another two inches 3 I guess it's it's like 4 maybe I think she could read.
  • [10:54] Mike: How wait how long do you think how long do you think a vagina is or like a vulva from top to bottom.
  • [11:00] Keith: The gap from the from the clit to the anus or just from the clit to the bottom of the vagina.
  • [11:08] Mike: Yeah, the second one.
  • [11:11] Keith: Um, about that much is that how how much is that is that four inches set three inches I know you can though I think that's three inches
  • [11:19] Mike: Nobody can see what you're doing. Oh you're doing three inches yeah okay I was looking it up I think I think it's I think it's longer than you think that would be my take generally. Ah.
  • [11:28] Keith: Yeah, yeah, all right? So the distance to the asshole might be too far for people to be able to Auto Ah, what is it called when you eat ass is there A is there a euphemism for that.
  • [11:43] Mike: Analingus analingus. Yeah, the issue with searching This is that when you look for vaginal length, you always find or even vulval length. You find the depth because that's what everybody's interested and nobody wants to talk about like the actual length. Maybe we could have a female.
  • [11:50] Keith: Yeah, right.
  • [11:59] Mike: Guest listener measure it for us. Yeah.
  • [12:02] Keith: That's a good idea. Let me ah okay, I've I've written it down. We we have that so all right, let's move on to our first topic of the day this post on Reddit was removed and removed it and set it or whatever it was that the the 2 services that allowed you to see deleted Reddit posts have been shut down so I had to go to the wayback. Yes, they're both unavailable now. So I had to go to the wayback machine and this post was nsfw so going to the wayback machine wasn't enough I had to because when posts are nsfw on Reddit.
  • [12:26] Mike: They've been shut down and weird.
  • [12:38] Keith: There is a pop-up that you have to click to make it go away. But of course Javascript doesn't work on the wayback machine. So I had to view the source on the wayback machine and really do some forensics to resurrect this post. But I've done it for you and our listeners are you ready.
  • [12:53] Mike: Sure This may be a difficult listener. This may be a difficult question to put in the show notes for users then for for listeners then so.
  • [12:58] Keith: Yeah, it will be That's sort of why I brought it up but also I want you guys to appreciate the work that we do and free show here. So this person says background been dating a girl for a few months and things are great. We have great chemistry have sex pretty much daily and often talk about our future together.
  • [13:06] Mike: That's good.
  • [13:16] Keith: Definitely the healthiest relationship I've ever been in. Although the sex has been great I did notice from the beginning that she is a little wide down there. She's a taller girl than I'm used to so I guess it's just a proportions thing and she isn't so loose that sex doesn't feel good that means I often take longer to come and and I want to get back to that. But there's there's ah, there's a few things I want to talk about here and. But let me let me go on but last night something happened that I worry I can't recover from. We were mid-sex kind of paused and just talking with my member chilling inside of her still erect I pointed out how weird an x-ray would look with me inside of her and she gave me a confused look and blurted out wait. You aren't inside of me. She immediately realized what she'd said. And while we laughed it off at first I was pretty troubled and things had been uncomfortable ever since with her apologizing and trying to reassure me that she loved having sex with me and me being unable to look her in the eye. Maybe I'm an insecure mess but I consider myself a confident guy so this seems out of character. What bothers me is twofold I always consider myself at least average in the dick department close to six inch length ah, by almost five inches thick but now I have my doubts and more importantly I feel tricked by her sexual advances slash moaning and bed slash all the indications that piv felt good for her. It's so embarrassing to think that all those times we went at it and I was feeling a champ. She didn't feel a thing almost done here I have. Also become acutely aware that I've never made any of my partners orgasm with Piv which is not something I have ever even have thought to as I'm pretty diligent about taking care of my ladies orally I'm seriously considering considering ending things over this which feels stupid but I also can't imagine. Not ruining all future sex with her which is really important part of a relationship. Okay, do you have any initial reactions here.
  • [14:52] Mike: Ah, yeah I mean this guy's very confident. He's not insecure at all.
  • [14:57] Keith: Right? right? right? right? Yeah, but posting this unredit does not completely betray everything he says in his post. So there are 3 things I Want to flag here one are tall people less tight to is he right to wonder if all sex has been performative and 3 are. Immobile penises hard to feel so let's let's go down the down the list here are tall people less tight. Do tall people have bigger vaginas.
  • [15:21] Mike: It probably? Although yeah I don't know it's a good question because I mean like I don't necessarily know if bigger people have larger or smaller babies and it seems like that would be the more determinant factor there right? Although maybe not maybe ah, the answer is probably.
  • [15:35] Keith: Well I'm sure that fetus size corresponds to at least correlates to body size. Maybe not actually I don't know do do bigger people have larger fetuses on on average. Certainly they have larger. They have larger children on average but when they're born.
  • [15:52] Mike: Fetuses. Yeah I don't know the answer to that? Yeah I don't I mean I like it's you know it's probably probably not and and even if it were the case it would probably be not be sufficient to make a difference and also like.
  • [15:55] Keith: Are they larger? Okay, this is uninteresting are there Vaginas bigger.
  • [16:06] Keith: Why not I mean a tall woman is six foot and a short woman is four nine that's a pretty big difference in if if everything's proportional that could be a potentially big difference.
  • [16:19] Mike: Sure I mean there's another issue here and mean it's not ah, not the perfect analogy. But I mean you would never accuse different sized people of having different sized anuses and the reason why is you see you'd say well the anus like contracts right? and like well it's not exactly the same.. There's a directionally similar thing which is like look.. It's not like any size woman has like a gaping hole in there when there's nothing going on right when they're just sitting in a chair somewhere right? Um,. It's always sort of collapsed down and so like you're not like this notion of like there being like a Width or a size. Like that is a little bit of a misnomer right? um.
  • [16:58] Keith: It's funny that we've discussed both length and width of all the in the first seventeen minutes here
  • [17:02] Mike: Sure Yeah, but I so I don't really yeah I don't think and yeah, it's but I so I think the answer effectively would be no like it's not I don't I don't I don't personally think it's it's different in a way that's going to be meaningful to the guy.
  • [17:16] Keith: I Think the answer might be yes, but it doesn't matter. Yeah yeah I mean I think it pinches shut in all people and so you know and I would guess the elasticity is about the same and so if it's a.
  • [17:20] Mike: Okay, well, that's effectively, no right? because it's you know.
  • [17:31] Mike: Well pinches Pinches is not the right word but sure it ah it collapses.
  • [17:35] Keith: Yeah, it's not it collapses. Yeah, that's right, okay, all right 2 is he right? to wonder if all sex has been performative so this is completely unrelated to ride and stuff. But.
  • [17:44] Mike: So yes, he's right and and it has been is the answer.
  • [17:49] Keith: But so many women you know moan and I don't think I think she would say well okay, all right fine hold on. Let let let me just put like a a pause a number two here and let's let's litigate number 3 next which is our immobile penise is hard to feel.
  • [18:06] Mike: Yes.
  • [18:09] Keith: Okay, so maybe it's not that everything was performative.
  • [18:12] Mike: Because it was mobile.
  • [18:14] Keith: Yeah I mean his play when she said she couldn't feel that he was inside of her his penis was immobile.
  • [18:20] Mike: Um, yeah, well I mean that's right, That's right like I mean the yeah I mean like.
  • [18:30] Keith: We've we've talked about this before like you can't feel when a tampons and you know women don't like actively feel the tampon inside of them.
  • [18:34] Mike: Well, that's sort of different that's sort of different because it's like the look most of the sensation is like near the surface is near the opening and so the issue there is that like you're talking about the interior right? and so then it's like okay so if the but but all that being said so there is more sensation near the opening.
  • [18:40] Keith: Ah, okay, go on I know where you're going here but go on.
  • [18:53] Mike: However, if you are just sitting there. Not motionless. You know you're going to habituate naturally to the motion just like the guy would too right? I mean like you're not going to if you're motionless. The guy is also not really feeling anything right.
  • [19:05] Keith: I suppose I don't think I would be confused about whether I'm inside somebody or not.
  • [19:12] Mike: Yeah, and I don't think they would be confused about that either. So when they say they don't feel anything. It's I think that's like they they don't feel anything like kind of extraordinary or out of the out of the ordinary or something like that.
  • [19:21] Keith: Um, I mean she said wait, you aren't inside me and this guy claims these six inches
  • [19:26] Mike: Well, that's different. Okay, that's so yeah, so so as to whether sheet whether it's possible for it to literally not know if the guy's insider like that's more aggressive that's a more aggressive situation. Yeah, maybe look. Maybe she's like maybe maybe she has some some guy that like.
  • [19:36] Keith: Claim.
  • [19:45] Mike: Does fisting on her like before their sessions if you fist if you put a fist in there. It's going to be a lot broader. Maybe she's using dilators or has some condition where it's.
  • [19:53] Keith: It collapses down pretty quickly I think the anus stays distended longer. That's why people use butt plugs.
  • [20:01] Mike: It collapses down like reasonably quickly. But not, you know I mean it would depend on how ah the the number of minutes before this guy got with her that he'd been cuckolded the cuckold time right? so.
  • [20:11] Keith: Right? I would I would expect a vagina to close somewhere in between a venus fly trap and those doors in star wars you know the trash impactor so somewhere between milliseconds and 10 seconds
  • [20:27] Mike: Oh no, no, no, no, no, it's much like no no, no, no, no, no, no, you can if you if you sort of distend it out. It will take a while like an hour or 2 Yeah, if you gape that thing out. Definitely.
  • [20:34] Keith: An hour or tw hour like at those is it. You know those shows where they like put as many ping pong balls in as they can I think they sort of famously done or stereotypically done in Thailand.
  • [20:44] Mike: I think the best I think the best 1 would be I think the best 1 to example would just be fisting.
  • [20:51] Keith: Okay, fine does the magnitude of the distention affect how quickly it collapses.
  • [20:59] Mike: I'm sure. Yeah, of course of course I mean but you can yeah you can you can look you can stretch out the human body so that it takes a while for it to collect its thoughts go back together.
  • [21:07] Keith: Yeah, okay, all right I think okay so I think our intuitions on 1 and 3 here are about the same now is he right to wonder if all sex has been performative so his concern let me let me clarify what I think his concern is she said that she couldn't feel him he is. Extending that to thinking that like you know, maybe she can never feel him and all of her moaning and and expression that she's enjoying sex has always been performative I think I think that's a reasonable concern for him to have but I I don't think that's what happened I think basically he.
  • [21:34] Mike: Yeah, that's you.
  • [21:39] Mike: I also think that's normal like it's like it's like I think that I think that that I think no no I think it feels good, but it's not like it's it doesn't feel good for the woman PiV doesn't feel good for the woman in the way it feels for the feels good for the man right? It's not like a built. You're not building.
  • [21:44] Keith: You think no women enjoy sex.
  • [21:56] Keith: Feels pretty good for the man so it wouldn't need to be that much worse to be very different. Yeah.
  • [21:59] Mike: That's my point is it's you know, ah wouldn't need to be that. Yeah I hear what you're saying you're saying like even if it was a little worse. It would still be really compelling.
  • [22:07] Keith: Yeah, well I am saying that. But yeah, there's There's a big gap between ah the best feeling in the world and everything else right? So You know it's possible that women fall far or near to the left on that spectrum I I don't my guess is that. Women are sensitive to movement more so than just placement and so this was just sort of a vocabulary issue between him and his girlfriend and he doesn't need to Panic. Do you do but sounds like you might have a different take and see if you can change my.
  • [22:40] Mike: I Do I mean I think that I think that the I think that the the the amount the extent to look First of all I think it is pleasurable. It's enjoyable for the woman. However, it the the enjoyment is not.
  • [22:46] Keith: Change my view.
  • [22:59] Mike: As completely physical as it is for men and so a lot of it is like the closeness to their partner. They enjoy him getting pleasure out of all this other all these other things and I think that like the um emotiveness of her pleasure has more to do with. How much she perceives that being important to her partner than like some sort of intrinsic thing where she can't just stop herself. This is something that I've argued with people a lot because you know guys will always like you know, come at me with like oh you know I had sex with this woman and she did this and this and this and like couldn't she couldn't have been faking and it's not really that she's faking right.
  • [23:24] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [23:37] Mike: Not exactly right I mean it's It's like like something could be so subconscious behavior but still not like directly tied to extreme pleasure right? like yeah so it just depends on it. It becomes terminological there. But I think that like in my opinion the experience like look. And my opinion from talking to men about this and women what I've noticed is there's a very strong correlation of the stories you hear between men who have women who are very emotive and men who are sort of insecure and I know why that is it's because the women are doing that to make the guy feel better and so then like.
  • [24:08] Keith: I see.
  • [24:13] Mike: Now This guy is interesting because he sounds sort of insecure. So maybe he's not insecure I don't know like he sounds sort of insecure and the woman's not sort of like building him up which is a little bit weird and then he's saying he's going on to say that like no women build him up and you're like okay well that's kind of weird right? because he's saying like he's never given a woman an orgasm which just means the women are being honest with him via Pi v.
  • [24:30] Keith: Right.
  • [24:32] Mike: Women are just being honest with them which is cool. But I think that women be more likely to be more emotive if they felt like the guy needed that or yeah and and that's not always like they're not sitting there with a calculator figuring out. You know how badly the guy needs it. It's a much more like.
  • [24:47] Keith: Yeah, it's going on in background processing or subconscious processing.
  • [24:47] Mike: Emotional subconscious thing that goes on in my opinion right? That's right, but they but I don't think like I don't think they like look.. There's a reason there's a reason why women don't value sex as highly as men do and it's not just because. There's a variety of reasons including the fact that men pursue sex more than women so therefore women sort of have the upper hand economically in the situation but it's also because like it's more ah Primi primevally priming the wrong word. It's more primally pleasurable for the guy and more of an urge for him. And for the woman. It's more subtle and they're more interested in emotional contact this I'm talking about by the way, the typical situation. Of course you can always find a woman who has a much more masculine way of going about things and same for a man Opposite. So.
  • [25:34] Keith: Yeah, naturally okay, all right I Generally oh I don't know if I okay that that is my understanding of what I thought your take on this would be let's move on to the next topic. So ah, well, there's a couple ways we can go here. There's a.
  • [25:45] Mike: Sure.
  • [25:53] Keith: This incestborn thing and then there's this mmf threesome thing. Let's do the Mm f threesome thing. It's this, but this one's short and sweet. This person's ah yeah, well, Ah, let me let me read asked asked wife about having an M f f threesome and she said she would rather hold on let me.
  • [25:55] Mike: Uch sure and it's not Mfm. It's mmf.
  • [26:07] Mike: Wait M at way you switched it? Oh no, okay, go on go on. Yeah.
  • [26:12] Keith: And she said she would rather have a mm f threesome. Ah, that's it asked wife about having an m f f threesome and she said she would rather have a MMF threesome now. Okay, ah, that's.
  • [26:14] Mike: Um.
  • [26:30] Keith: But that's the that's the ah, that's the that's the thing right? like obviously guys would prefer in general to have a 3 so with 2 women and women would prefer to have a Threeome with 2 men in general you know obviously some people are bisexual. Probably more women are more bisexual.
  • [26:46] Mike: I disagree with your thing about women would prefer Mmf in general I actually suspect that women would if they if the woman has to pick one I Actually think more women would pick Mf f yeah.
  • [26:47] Keith: And you know.
  • [26:56] Keith: Okay, let me see if I can. Ah Ape what I think you would say here you think that an extra man in the room is extremely uncompellling in a way that having an extra woman in the world. In the room is not yeah.
  • [27:15] Mike: I think it could be I mean I think it it could be compelling it could be not compelling and for the woman like it could it could be good but the thing the the thing about it is that like the mff has like the added like I think this would be true for men too. If men didn't have sort of like a taboo a mental taboo it's not It's cultural but only to the in my opinion only to the extent that like it's revealing I think a real aspect of male psychology that like men are more likely to have like a strong bias toward being straight or gay and not not that many men are bisexual and um and so men for men like having a second man there. If they're heterosexual is like not great whereas for a woman I think they're much less likely to have that bias and so then it's just more interesting for them if they have an opportunity to have sex with a woman now that being said like the the fear that a woman is going to have and a core negative of an m f or. Threesome for the woman is like the thing you read sometimes on on Reddit which is like we had a threesome and the guy basically just like only had sex with the other woman right? and that's like an obvious downer right.
  • [28:26] Keith: Yeah I mean that's the nightmare scenario right? is that.
  • [28:30] Mike: Well for the man. It's not the nightmare. It's the ah it's the dream. That's living the dream right.
  • [28:35] Keith: Well, it becomes it becomes the nightmare when his actual partner can't ever look at him the same way ever again, but okay, fine. Ah, the thing I wanted to bring up here is is there anything that you would do a. And MF 3 some 4.
  • [28:57] Mike: Go What? like when you say anything can you.
  • [28:58] Keith: So this guy? Well so so so what this woman what? what? This guy is going through is I think his wife is basically asking for you know a quid pro quo like she might consider having an mmf threesome with him if he'll consider having a ah mmf. Threesome with her. You see this with pegging too right? like like a guy will say oh I want to have anal sex with you and she'll say like okay well you have to let me peg you first right? There's like this quid quid quid pro quo aspect and and I'm I don't think I'm not enough interested in having a threesome where I would. Agree to a ah 2 man scenario in order to have one so I was trying to think like is there anything like is there any sexual thing that I would have a mmf 3 some 4 and yeah I can think of some actually. Ah.
  • [29:51] Mike: Go for it. Let's let's I have some comments on the other thing but let's hear the scenario and let's maybe we can. We can the the audience and I can set that up for you.
  • [29:55] Keith: Well I mean it's almost.. It's almost like yeah like how much would somebody have to pay me to let them sodomize me and there's some amount of money there I don't know what it is and then I can translate that back into. Some sexual thing that I want in the future. But yeah I mean there's lots of lots of reasons why I would subject myself to sodomization for some sort of future reward.
  • [30:20] Mike: Okay, okay, so it but it would it would have to be some sort of like lottery winning or substantial.
  • [30:24] Keith: Um, yeah I mean let's not be crazy here right? like obviously everyone would do it for $1000000000000 almost everyone would do it for 1000000000 most still would do it for a million and then as as you see as you keep lowering the number you get to fewer and fewer people that would subject that would subject themselves to it and you know depends on their financial situation and. Their by curiousness but everyone has a number there right.
  • [30:47] Mike: Yeah, that's definitely true I mean yeah I was sort of imagining like somebody who had like a standing offer or was like some amount of money per time and they just have to keep doing it again and again which I guess is like I just described I Just yeah I just described prostitution. Um.
  • [30:59] Keith: Was then it's just a job. You're a prostitute right.
  • [31:07] Mike: Yeah but but yeah, so so okay, so yeah, so you're you're basically thinking of like something kind of a little far. Yeah, a little far-fetched like the notion that a man would be paid ah money to do an m m f threesome. Um, the the thing I was going to bring up is that I view this as a little bit of a trap. It reminds me of the um. Ethical non-monogamy thing we discussed a couple weeks back I think which is like if you like it's so much easier to find a third man than it is to find. It's so much easier to find the m than the f that like what's really gonna happen here is you're gonna have the mmf and then that's it right? like There's actually like a practical aspect to finding the other female that's kind of tricky.
  • [31:45] Keith: Yeah I mean I I would definitely want a pledge from my partner that she's going to you know make a great faith effort to find a second f for our FFm
  • [31:58] Mike: Yeah, but it might just be actually difficult depending on like your physical attractiveness depending on how ah going you are and so forth like it might and also like you might yeah so your I guess you'd say like you'd want to do part two first. Ah.
  • [32:03] Keith: Um, yeah, Well, that's why you shouldn't do part one without having part 2 guaranteed. Yeah, but so with the other person. Probably I I mean if if I was positive that part 2 is going to happen I would want to do part two second like I would want to do the bad thing First it's like ah when when I'm eating a meal I I save dessert for last.
  • [32:16] Mike: Right? Yeah I mean there's so many these like you know.
  • [32:25] Mike: There's so let me let me ask you this like so this is like what goes in this like alternative lifestyle thing I was on one of these cam sites the other day and there was this dude in Columbia and um.
  • [32:38] Keith: Um.
  • [32:41] Mike: Probably don't know this because I don't think you've frequent these sites very much but there's a series of countries that um are kind of frequent flyers in terms of having young ladies on there Venezuela has a lot Columbia Columbia in Venezuela Venezuela I think they might have like internet problems. So Columbia may have like people who've migrated from Venezuela. It's really not a great situation.
  • [32:46] Keith: Yeah I think Venezuela's number 1 right? yeah.
  • [33:00] Mike: Think that's one of the primary destinations people go to there in Peru maybe and people. Ah you know, but they have maybe better access to the internet. Maybe there's it's just like easier to live there and so they can get ah get a setup and they get on these campsites and like yeah I mean like these people are just obviously spending sort of an aside but they're just spending you know. 8 hours a day 12 hours a day just jamming things inside in and out of their body parts like it's not this. It's they's just brutal like they like they're not. They're not enjoying it on any level. Anyway, this was a guy who actually had seemed like there was something that people were generally happy seeming which was nice and he had some.
  • [33:22] Keith: Right? I mean it's It's a consequence of poverty.
  • [33:38] Mike: Apartment or house probably a house in Colombia he spoke spanish and english but he clearly had he was an american and he said on the stream that he'd like worked in the industry for a while and he had 3 3 probably 18 to 23 year old women with him and they were cavorting in various ways and he was not.
  • [33:57] Keith: Okay.
  • [33:58] Mike: Particularly attractive. He's okay, he was probably in his forty s and so forth like yeah and I mean that's just what he does like do you find that compelling because I do.
  • [34:07] Keith: Ah, living with 3 with 3 beautiful women in their twenty s.
  • [34:14] Mike: Right? And like basically this is just what you do like like he's like he's gone to this country and like he's able you know he's an american he probably a they're making money on this camsite but I actually don't think I suspect he just has a certain amount of money that he's saved from his you know working years in the United States
  • [34:28] Keith: Um, yeah, it's like the ultimate sugar daddy.
  • [34:32] Mike: But he's cruised down there and he's just doing this and like they all seemed I mean look the women are it's a bargain. They're not a bargain meaning it's a they. They've agreed to do this. They're not like it's not what they dreamed of as little girls, but it's not like it's fine. They all seemed like happy like ah and I do know I feel like I have some decent sense of what like.
  • [34:38] Keith: Yeah, they're not there under force.
  • [34:51] Mike: Looks like when the people are unhappy because I have watched these streams from these countries and where it's just like you know the guy can't maintain an erection and he's just sort of like jamming a noodle in and out of the woman's you know the giant and so forth Anyway I was just curious if you find that compelling.
  • [34:59] Keith: So sure. Sure sure. Um, well the notion of hanging around with a bunch of beautiful women obviously is compelling. There's some long term and medium term lifestyle concerns I mean living in Columbia could be weird. Ah not ever being able to have a conversation with. Somebody who is as wise as you might be sort of frustrating but that's true I could still talk I could still talk to you.
  • [35:27] Mike: Why what? Why would that stop? Why would that be stopped I mean there's internet and so forth I mean look has it hasn't covid. Actually yeah, Covid's prevented all ah actual like interpersonal experiences on some level. So.
  • [35:40] Keith: Yeah, you're sort of foreclosing on the possibility of having a romantic partner that you ah respect intellectually I'm not I'm not saying it's impossible to find somebody with a 20 year age difference that you respect intellectually, but it's difficult.
  • [35:46] Mike: Oh that's interesting your point.
  • [35:56] Mike: Well and they're less likely to want to like cavort in a in a house with 2 other women and so on and so forth like those these. Ah yeah, these um these details of it are are less likely to work that's right? Okay, so you so you find it somewhat compelling but you would um.
  • [36:09] Keith: I um.
  • [36:15] Mike: Not do that if yous if somebody offered you if somebody's like hey. Ah, yeah, it's le I mean you could imagine somebody setting up business out but like just imagine like you. Yeah you you had a very clear line of sight to doing this. There was you know was very clear. You would not like take that guy's place.
  • [36:17] Keith: You could go to Columbia for a year
  • [36:29] Keith: Um, how much time a day is he spending camming.
  • [36:33] Mike: I Don't think he knows how he's making money I think they were just like because in the reason I say that is because.
  • [36:35] Keith: No I'm not worried about the money aspect I'm worried about the amount of time camming I don't want to do that all day I want to do other things with my arab.
  • [36:43] Mike: Just to be clear like I think I don't think that um I'm interested in what else you would do with your harem but I don't think that like I think the cam could have not been broadcasting the internet like I think they were just doing that for fun like I don't think I don't think it was a revenue driver I Don't think you have to be doing it.
  • [36:57] Keith: Yeah, why does he care he has enough money to have these 3 women hang out with him. He doesn't need to try to try to beg for tokens on chatter pay right? well.
  • [37:02] Mike: I think he's just showing off and he just I think he enjoys the social validation of like people being like a whoa look. You've got these 3 women like licking your nuts or whatever right? I mean he was getting some tokens but but not a lot and he was not being pushy. You know some of the cameras like they they have these like ah.
  • [37:09] Keith: Um, ah, that's interesting I Wonder if it yeah.
  • [37:22] Mike: You know it's just it's all about the money. It's like oh you know and if you go on the there are various subreddits about this like it's all about how to get the money. This guy was not one of those people right? It's getting more compelling isn't it.
  • [37:30] Keith: Okay, huh Yeah I mean but dad. Yeah I mean I guess my my concern would be like getting locked into such a situation but you you never are you could always abandon it.
  • [37:43] Mike: You have a passport. What were the other things you wanted to do with your harem.
  • [37:48] Keith: Oh I don't know take them to museums now. No I just meant that I I wouldn't want to spend if if if 1 of the conditions of the setup was that I had to spend 8 hours camming a day I I would definitely turn it down. But if the camming is just incidental.
  • [37:51] Mike: Seriously.
  • [38:07] Keith: Ah, you're asking if it would be interesting to hang out with 3 beautiful women. Ah cavorting as you say for a year well I mean obviously it would be compelling to do that for a week and then so am I locked in for a full year. Like like what's the downside here like ah, any everyone would say yes to a week right? Yeah I think so yeah I think I would get bored pretty quickly. Actually I've I've been in situations I've been in situations with online dating where.
  • [38:28] Mike: Yeah, okay, let's say let's say you're locked into a year you're you're worried you'd get bored. Interesting. So you'd want to be able to substitute.
  • [38:44] Keith: I've had access to sleep with not at the same time but numerous women in ah in a month-long period and it's sort of I don't know interesting intellectually, but it's not really interesting emotionally or even sexually like I don't think I felt like I was more sexually satisfied during those months than I am. And other months with like a single partner.
  • [39:05] Mike: Okay, so there's some axis here right? I mean because on so you're ah maybe toward one end of the Axis and I mean like we've we've talked about this but not on the podcast. There's another subreddit I can't remember the exact name I think it's called having fun hobbying having fun hobbying.
  • [39:19] Keith: Yeah, we need to we need to discuss that at some point but maybe not tonight.
  • [39:24] Mike: Yeah, but anyway it's like these guys who yeah, they just in general terms of these guys who frequent escorts right? I mean they they make like a lifestyle out of it and they like just don't They're not interested in having ah conversations with their partners right.
  • [39:37] Keith: Right? Yeah, the difference between this and sugaring which is another popular thing that's discussed a lot on Reddit is that yeah they're they're interacting with people who are explicitly prostitutes as opposed to some sort of flimsy setup of a more extended connection.
  • [39:55] Mike: Right? So you don't You're saying that you would you think you would tire of even a sit. Well yeah, makes sense you you would tire of or be kind of grossed out by a situation where you just have this constant like carousel of beautiful ladies to fuck right.
  • [39:56] Keith: It's not just sickable.
  • [40:07] Keith: Yeah I think it would get tiresome. What a gridly thing to say.
  • [40:13] Mike: But there are yeah I mean it's worth saying that there. It's worth noting that there are men on the other end of that. Ah that spectrum I'm not sure if we've done a good job answering this guy's little quiz with the MF and mmf thing. But.
  • [40:22] Keith: Now that that his actual question is boring is like oh what should I do my wife wants to have a MMF 3 some I mean our standard threesome advice is applies here.
  • [40:32] Mike: Look if he if he if he goes if he does the mmf. The only thing I would say is don't suck the other guy's cock or put it up your butt because if you do your woman's going to dump you you like? oh.
  • [40:41] Keith: Yeah I mean we've seen this. We've seen this dozens of times where the guy does something that is ah gay and or or culturally considered gay like blow a guy or have the guy blow him or. Fuck a guy or have a guy fuck him and yeah I mean it can be extremely offputting for for some women and that's a risk that I don't think it's worth taking I'm not interested in those activities generally. But even if I were I don't think it's worth risking because it could sabotage your marriage or.
  • [41:06] Mike: Sure yeah people people can be ah.
  • [41:17] Mike: Yeah, women can be extremely progressive on Twitter but when they're actually watching with their own eyes their husband or boyfriend swallowing another man's come from the from the the spicot that's a whole other thing and you and you you shouldn't be surprised. Yeah.
  • [41:19] Keith: Long-term relationship.
  • [41:26] Keith: Yeah, yeah, it it emasculates you it emasculates you in a yeah, fairly unsurprising way all right next topic. Ah, this person says I am sick of having incest porn shoved in my face I guess I kind of want Boycott Mainstream Photograph. Pornography until I don't have to see brother or mother or stepdad on half of the headlines I'm a kinky person but I actively try to wrangle my kinks to things that aren't illegal Shitty or normalize illegal things like rape for pedophilia any opinions or anecdotes Welcome. But I'd really like to know is there's safe havens out there for this kind of Bullshit. So First off you.
  • [42:00] Mike: It's not you. It's not yeah, go ahead. Oh yeah, you can you've never seen a clockwork orange. Okay, you can.
  • [42:04] Keith: Really control your kinks if you don't steer your kinks. Maybe you can a little bit. You think I have not seen a clockwork orange. It's a big gap in my in my a FI 100 watching
  • [42:17] Mike: Yeah, you can you can do that but but look ah I just wanted to to defend and in defensive like Pornhub and the others camps ah stream tube sites rather ah these guys. Um, it's usually step brother stepsist. Not actual incest. They're actually careful to label them so it's not. So it's It's like step.
  • [42:38] Keith: There's a scene it like basically every one of these So okay deciding if I what to like ah reveal something here. Ah I mean.
  • [42:46] Mike: Yeah, you do.
  • [42:54] Keith: There are a few porn studios that are very popular. There's one called Cis loves me. There's one called I think it's called family ties or that was the show with Michael J Fox in the 80 s right? Yeah Michael J Fox I already said that.
  • [43:06] Mike: It was Justine Bateman and I usually think of the woman would go ahead. Yeah.
  • [43:13] Keith: There's a yeah when she's 70 now or something. There's a um, a number of very popular series that that feature this this incest trope but every single one of them like. 5 minutes in assiduously has a line where they're like but you're my brother or but you know but you're my dad and then you know the prisoner will say like step brother or stepdad or we're not really brothers like they they're always they always go to like painstaking lengths to make sure that that that that line occurs every time one of these setups occurs.
  • [43:49] Mike: What's the thing you want to reveal Oh it's just that it's not. It's not I thought you' were going to reveal that you're one of the people that likes this incest.
  • [43:49] Keith: I Think well that I've like yeah seen enough of these series to know to know that that's a no I don't have like I don't have a pedophilia or what is it when you what is it when you um, are into your yeah I guess is there a name for that fetish being into your siblings.
  • [44:08] Mike: Incest Kink I don't know.
  • [44:08] Keith: Or or yeah, okay, if there's nothing like bestiality or pedophilia or something like that. That's just aed incest born. Okay, anyway, um yeah, they they always go to that length that I think the reason why it's so common is people do like the sort of ah taboo aspect.
  • [44:12] Mike: I Don't know.
  • [44:28] Keith: Like I think that amps up orgasms for some people and I think people like the ah like the dominance aspect that you get in like the step dad stepdaughter trope and so it's just a lazy.. It's just lazy writing on the on the on the part of porn writers and. Um I was thinking about this when I read this post yesterday. What other way. Could you create similar dynamics without the incest trope I mean there's the schoolgirl. There's the professor schoolgirl thing but there's you know at least as much as that as there is incest stuff What what other.
  • [45:02] Mike: I like this porn I like this porn I saw many years ago where they had a game show and if you lost on the game show. It was women playing they got like anally raped.
  • [45:12] Keith: Um, okay so this is a yeah this is ah this is the plot of the porn That's actually pretty good. Do you remember what it was called. Maybe I can look that up later.
  • [45:19] Mike: Yeah, there was like a game show and then I don't I don't It was a really long time ago. So I doubt it's ah available in any of the current tube sites. But yeah, just generally like you were asking how you could create like a dominance dynamic and that's what it came to my mind I don't release. Yeah.
  • [45:33] Keith: Yeah, but that's pretty contrived right? like the the thing with the incest thing is that it's so easy that I think it's just what Porn directors fall back on.
  • [45:42] Mike: Is it I mean I don't like yeah I'm sort of with this redit poster I don't really, it's it's not I'm surprised that so many people click on this like it's like it makes me wonder I mean there must be some sort of like psychological. Part of like the Myers-briggs or something that's this targeting that I'm totally not aware of like I don't it's completely foreign to me this ah the the desire to watch this like I'll watch anything like I'll watch. Ah they have porns where there's like a woman with a horse or a dog.
  • [46:04] Keith: Wait What is what is it in that sentence. What's foreign to you.
  • [46:18] Mike: Ah, you know there's I mean there's There's some really messed stuff stuff out there and I'll watch it just out of curiosity. But this particular one like I actually have zero like it's like the other ones I'm like oh I wonder wonder what happens you just I want to know I want to know how the story ends. But.
  • [46:26] Keith: Wait. What do you mean this particular but you mean you mean like 90% of porn out there. You just won't watch because it's not. It's okay, maybe it's not 90 but it's I think the vast majority not the vast majority. It's definitely the vast plurality of.
  • [46:33] Mike: 90% of porn is not incest.
  • [46:43] Mike: It is.
  • [46:46] Keith: Of like major studio porn has like some sort of like power dynamic trope. The common ones are like boss secretary professor student and stepdad stepdaughter like and you just see them who cares. It's just like I'm not watching this for the plot anyway.
  • [46:51] Mike: Yeah, that's fine. Sure yeah that last one is the one that I can't relate to.
  • [47:03] Mike: Oh sure, that's.
  • [47:05] Keith: And it's the same actors doing all these doing all these different plots. It's obviously not really incest and they go to like this like silly they go through this silly exercise to make it clear that it's not really you know blood incest and so like why? why do people get upset about this.
  • [47:16] Mike: This isn't I mean honestly Keith this isn't this isn't the kind of stuff that I I don't consume stuff like this to be honest, like it's too produced. Yeah well no no no no I consume professional stuff. It's just that if they try to make it look amateur. That's the move.
  • [47:23] Keith: I Know you don't consume any professional stuff right.
  • [47:30] Keith: Um I think some people get confused about this but like you'll see on pornhub the amateur stuff will sometimes say like oh I'm sleeping with my step brother and I think they're doing that not because it's their actual step brother but they think that's what the people want so they're trying to like Seo their you know their. Porn so that you know people who are looking for incest porn pick their stuff up I don't think anyone okay, some people are probably in dens has porn and incests generally but most people just sort of tolerate it so that they can get to the good stuff which is watching people having sex on camera.
  • [48:03] Mike: Yeah I don't I don't actually have a good theory for this like first of all I don't I don't think it's I don't think it's when you say plurality that doesn't mean anything. But yeah, ah you don't need a writer for a porn like so I don't.
  • [48:08] Keith: Um, but the theory is the writers are Larry lazy.
  • [48:17] Keith: They always have a little bit of a plot. Yeah, they do.
  • [48:21] Mike: Not the ones I watch.
  • [48:24] Keith: Yeah, but you're not watching. You're not watching produce born you're watching you mostly watch amateur stuff and Chatterba or whatever it is you do.
  • [48:32] Mike: On chatterba the the plot is like ah yeah, some guy in Columbia or like they'll roll a pair of dice when everybody puts in money and then they'll decide what they're gonna do? Um, yeah I don't know I don't I don't yeah this stay you but many look I mean yeah, they.
  • [48:41] Keith: Ah.
  • [48:50] Mike: There must be some psychological trait that makes people find this compelling that I just completely am missing. Is it people I we should. We should research this more and find out who likes this I mean have you ever encountered somebody like who like this you're going to say no because people don't sit around talking about porn. You should folks, you should discuss porn. It should be a yeah.
  • [49:05] Keith: Have I in ever encountered somebody who likes incest porn is that question I don't think anyone would reveal that it's like yeah, it's just not done. It's so it's so taboo it's not taboo it's also illegal.
  • [49:10] Mike: That's right.
  • [49:14] Mike: Ah huh. I would is it I mean for its step, its step. Whatever so it's probably I mean I'm not sure if it's actually illegal and I don't care but like the ah like I'll review I would reveal it if I liked it I don't know why people wouldn't like who cares but like okay I wouldn't tell my sibling.
  • [49:22] Keith: Ah.
  • [49:28] Keith: Um, yeah, you're right? It's probably not.
  • [49:37] Keith: Um, well they would probably already know are this getting dark. Ah next topic. Um, yeah I think we have time for one more here all right? So this person says how can I use a 33 year old male that's important prepare for a five day sex filledlled weekend in just two weeks i'm.
  • [49:41] Mike: Yeah, yeah, sure.
  • [49:52] Mike: Sounds good.
  • [49:56] Keith: 33 year old male going to meet a girl who's a 25 year old female for an extended fiveday weekend at which we plan to have as much sex as our hearts and bodies can possibly desire I don't like that sentence construction there but we're both incredibly excited and excited exchanging horny ideas and giggles daily. Oh man, this guy should i.
  • [50:12] Mike: You don't like that right.
  • [50:13] Keith: I Don't like the word giggle I don't like this notion of them like sort of giddly texting each other with this romantic infatuation. No, it's the idealization of the situation I like intimacy.
  • [50:20] Mike: Because you don't like intimacy you're just yours. Yeah, it's intimacy. You don't like intimacy. Oh all, right.
  • [50:31] Keith: Thing is she is much younger than me and probably has way more stamina in preparation to such weekend I've been trying to eat well sleep. Well exercise daily and by a friend's recommendation I'm trying to masturbate as little as possible if at all but I'd like to prepare the. I'd like to prepare my body as much as I can I'd like to be in my best sexual shape as soon as I get there any tips that could help me out any particular foods. Any particular exercises I'm keen to hear ideas and also explore your possible links resources. Thanks in advance I thought this was. Mildly apropos to our discussion two weeks ago about how many orgasms could one have in a 24 hour period and the reason why it's apropos to that is if you were going for the record, you'd want to prepare yourself somehow and I would. Thinking about how 1 might prepare I agree with the advice that not masturbating at least for a few days in advance is probably good advice. Do you think there's some Goldilocks zone like if should you not masturbate for a month for a week for a couple days like what's your intuition.
  • [51:35] Mike: Um, I mean I don't know like would that I mean couldn't you make the opposite argument that like you need to exercise the muscles or something I mean I think my intuition is that would only matter for the first 1 or 2 times.
  • [51:41] Keith: Yes, that's why I'm asking like what's the sweet spot here.
  • [51:53] Mike: And then beyond that I'd like it's you're going to lose the benefit now. Of course if like the day before they meet up he he's like does a marathon set of beat off sessions and does it 8 times like he's going to be chafed and stuff and it's not going to work out. Yeah I mean the thing that. Okay, yeah, yeah, so I don't yeah.
  • [52:03] Keith: Okay, so so less than 8 times the day before. Right? So it's less than 8 is it more than one like should you masturbate the day before what about the day before that.
  • [52:12] Mike: I mean I don't like I I think.
  • [52:17] Mike: I don't think it matters maybe not the day before but again I think that's only going to affect the quality of the first time they have sex and it probably won't even matter because he'll be so excited. You know so it's it's yeah I mean.
  • [52:27] Keith: Right? I bet. Well first off, then one of the comments on here says something like that. The comments in here are generally stupid but like like here's one from someone who's obviously a woman. Not sure how much. You've thought out the whole trip but also consider what you'll be doing besides having sex all that stuff around sex could be just as exciting as sex itself think of it as like for play for the final act. So think about dinner slash lunch ideas at the weather is nice think of heading outdoors that were beautiful. She goes on but you get the idea.
  • [52:45] Mike: There we go.
  • [52:57] Mike: There you go.
  • [53:01] Keith: Um, but yeah, this guy. Yeah, this is the comment I was looking for some advice I could give is to go in with low expectations. Be happy with 1 fuck and proceed with caution even in that instance, sometimes things don't work out quite as planned and can throw the whole experience for a loop. Just be excited to enjoy another's company. So yeah, this notion of. Planning for your eighth orgasm might be a little bit fraught like you should just go in and do the best you can. But I think that's actually good advice for this particular person. But yeah I mean if you were trying to maximize your number of orgasms you could have in you know one day or weekend long period. How would you prepare for it. It can't the answer can't be that it wouldn't matter like let's say we had a bet Mike and the bet was you know I'm going to give you I don't even know what I would need to like. Pay you to to make this kind of bet compelling to you but let's say you know I'll give you a million dollars're gonna a contest to see who can have the most orgasms this weekend like what would you do on the Thursday and Friday leading up.
  • [53:58] Mike: I would just lose I don't think I don't yeah I don't think that I could um I don't think that I could generate enough output to to compete with you on that sure. Okay, what would I do um get on get a lot of sleep. Ah try to.
  • [54:06] Keith: Okay, can you honor can you honor the spirit of the question. Please.
  • [54:17] Mike: Be well hydrated. Um, yeah probably I would probably abstain for a few days beforehand That's probably right? Yeah, if I was yeah.
  • [54:19] Keith: Yep, that that the.
  • [54:27] Keith: It's like tapering before a marathon. Do you have to eat lots of carbs.
  • [54:28] Mike: Right? Yeah I mean like you might I Yeah I'm not totally sure I'm not totally sure what all of the all of the strategies I would use would be I mean it's it's it's hard for me to get past, go ahead? yeah.
  • [54:40] Keith: I think I think generally the answer is it doesn't much matter right? Like yes, don't masturbate a million times the day before but beyond that you're talking about eking out a seventh or eighth orgasm right? like. First 5 are going to be relatively easy or or whatever it is for for this particular person. You know, maybe it's 2 maybe it's 5 maybe it's 10 but whatever those like incremental you know plus 1 or plus 2 are maybe there are things you can do to help those but in the main you're sort of locked in to whatever your your sexual ability is.
  • [55:12] Mike: Yeah I mean the the sort of thing that grabs my attention. There is like I I just feel like the it misses. The guy is sort of missing the point that like this is going to be more taxing on the woman for a variety of reasons probably just more physically taxing because there's like more. It's. Recovery periods probably a little longer for a woman on some level like just physically and then like yeah I mean like she's going to feel like all this pressure to like ah be super attractive the entire five days and so on and so forth and it's like yeah, it's like I don't.
  • [55:33] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [55:42] Keith: Right.
  • [55:49] Mike: I like I like the idea of the guy just being like oh this is definitely what she wants. She just wants to fuck for five days straight and it's like I know for sure that's not right? You know like so.
  • [55:52] Keith: Right? right? right? right? right? She's she's probably mirroring his his attitude and her responses to his texts where he is apparently giggling daily.
  • [56:04] Mike: Yeah I just see this ending in like some kind of argument. You know some fight fight between them. It's like yeah, you're not going to This isn't going to go the way you want it to.
  • [56:10] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no look I think the practical advice for this guy is like lower your expectations about amount of sex you're going to have and like try to enjoy things beyond that don't don't focus on that he says. He edits and clarifies like just small clarification I'm not worried about being 33 I'm also not worried about my weekend I'm not worried about my body I think things will be fine even without any prep this whole post did not come from fear but from care, why not prepare why not do my very best. Why not? why not care care a lot. But yeah, he's.
  • [56:38] Mike: He misunderstands what's important to his partner.
  • [56:41] Keith: Ah, things that he should care about are different right? The things he should care about are like how she feels and yeah.
  • [56:45] Mike: Well I mean look like this is the thing. It's like it's like you know the the way that your body responds the way that you like psychologically innately respond to this stuff makes sense. So it's like the first time is going to feel great sick time will feel okay and then you're gonna like. Actually generally want to do other things and that goes along with the fact that like it's not going to feel as good and so forth and so it's like yeah putting all this like just generally people like planning to have like a five day long fuck fest is kind of a mistake like you're just going to like have a headache by day three and feel terrible. Yeah.
  • [57:13] Keith: Right.
  • [57:19] Keith: But okay, well, that's an hour you have any other tidbits you want to drop on our audience.
  • [57:26] Mike: No, ah I think that's good next episodes episode 50 We'll have to plan something special. Well don't we have a potential guest who might come on someone good.
  • [57:32] Keith: Yeah I Love some big Hoorah. So yeah I think I think she's locked in I think.
  • [57:44] Mike: We can talk about ah the everybody's favorite. Ah, anal, painful anal porn topic which she why? why does she want to talk about that. Do you know.
  • [57:46] Keith: Yeah, we think I don't I do but I think it'll be better to tease it.
  • [57:55] Mike: Interesting I'm hoping I hope it's because let's see is it. Do I Hope it's because she's into it I think that's what I hope she's like this is my favorite. She wants sandpaper style.
  • [58:09] Keith: Ah I will say no more so that'll do it for episode 49 of your mileage may vary email us at YMMvPod at http://gmail.com with feedback and we'll pay you $10 thanks for listening and we will catch you next time.