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Episode 51: Lactation, Nude Selfie Deletion, Step Mom and Step Sister Fetish, Oculus Porn

Team YMMV | 1-27-2022 | 1:02:16

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This week's porn viewing takes a milky turn, with Keith offering up two ladies sharing their bodies' bounty.

Women don't seem properly aware of the unlikelihood of men deleting the nude selfies they receive from their partners. Tip for the wise: if you sent it, it's there forever, and he's not going to delete it. Naturally, our advice to men is to immediately move all nude selfies and videos onto an encrypted secure platform (we'll be advertising one shortly, no doubt).

We spend some time trying to understand incest porn, step mom and step sisters in particular. The appeal is hard to understand, but it's such a common subject in porn that it's difficult to avoid.

To follow along with the video discussed at the beginning of the episode:

https://ymmv.me/51/lactation

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/51/taste

https://ymmv.me/51/anal-request

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  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with an enticing blend of candid analysis and humor today. We have our usual assortment of outrageous topics including assessing various foods as closeness to vagina taste. Whether a man should agree to being pegged so he can sodomize his girlfriend and much much more I am Keith my co-host is Mike Salutations Mike so webmaster Mike has been busy, updating our website. So go ahead and check it out at http://ymmvpod.com and if you have any feedback on that.
  • [00:22] Mike: Hello keith.
  • [00:33] Keith: Or on the show or if you'd like to send us a question. We're available at y mmvpod at http://gmail.com or at y mmvpod on Twitter as a reminder we pay $10 to anyone who provides any feedback good bad or ugly so get to it? Okay, thanks for powering through that. Let's get started Mike I have some. Follow ups to a few loose ends from previous episodes I'd like to address before we get to our porn viewing segment. Are you ready? Okay, the first one is just me being obsessive the top of a volcano is called a calleddera. That's the collapsed cone on top. So.
  • [00:56] Mike: I am yeah.
  • [01:08] Keith: Wanted to tie that up from like 4 episodes ago. The second one is um, we talked at the end of last episode. How women can ensure that men delete nudes. Ah do you remember that conversation with Alyssa.
  • [01:09] Mike: All right.
  • [01:22] Mike: I Mean there wasn't I Okay, that's not exactly my memory of the conversation. My memory of the conversation was ah we basically revealed to elissa the possibility that men don't I think she had presumed. Yeah,, there's some strange. Predliction women have to assume that men will tell the truth about things like this. It's like look they just they just don't and so I think she just learned that Basically there's a lot of nudes or some number of nudes of her out there in the universe that she can't But yeah.
  • [01:40] Keith: Yeah.
  • [01:50] Keith: Right? Yeah, just to put a little bit more hair on that. Yeah, she was definitely spinning a little bit after we stopped recording she was like wait now I'm thinking that lots of my exes still have my news and I was like yeah I mean that's the most likely case.
  • [02:03] Mike: I Told her I was after that episode I was thinking to myself about how I mean like that's like it's not. It's just that like really that kind of a picture. It also depends on how the breakup went honestly. But let's say that there's someone that she broke up with she that liked her still and she broke up with like this is.
  • [02:21] Keith: Yep yep yep, ye empowered. Still.
  • [02:22] Mike: Absolutely a way for the guy to feel like it's not just that he's still yeah that he's still won but like the thing is it does amp up that particular content as like beat off materials like yeah I got you and like that I mean that that it's like it's just a line of thought that I think is pretty common for men that they would not reveal typically so.
  • [02:29] Keith: Um, right.
  • [02:38] Keith: Um, yeah, ah.
  • [02:41] Mike: So there's no way he'll delete it because it's like it's like evergreen content that he can keep using because it evokes this actual memory in his brain and ah you know yeah when he's down. He's having a day when he's like god I'm just not sure I can get the nut out today that happens sometimes ladies. Ah yeah, this is when this is one. He's going to reach for. He's like yeah that that. That video Alyssa sent me that time. Yes.
  • [03:02] Keith: Yeah I agree so I do have some advice. Okay, if this is something you're concerned about I think there's 1 thing you can do that takes it from a 98% chance that they still have it down to like a 50% chance and that thing is. When you execute the breakup or maybe even before you tell them hey I feel really uncomfortable having a bunch of my nudes out there. Do you mind deleting them and then you have to watch them right? You have to. Make sure that you see them physically delete it in an in an un undeletable way from their phone or computer and then I think I mean look it's possible that they backed it up to some safe place in the case that you come out and go after them and ask them to delete but most likely they just have it in 1 place. So if you if you see them physically delete it. And a non undelievable way. Then you know there's a chance you're actually safe but other than that I think the right thing to assume is that they still have it.
  • [04:01] Mike: In a related story. This podcast is brought to you by carbonite the automated backup solution now I'm just kidding. There's there's there are plenty of systems I mean a simple one. A really simple one is on an iphone is just to have you know the the standard place this stuff goes. If you get sent a message you have to take an action obviously to move it. But if you've taken the picture yourself it goes into the just you know the Icloud photo system if you have Google photos though it gets copied there so like right there you already have like the ability to double double back these things up and so for all the guys out there.
  • [04:27] Keith: Yes.
  • [04:35] Keith: Yes.
  • [04:36] Mike: Ah, good recommendation to you is to make sure when you get a nude to go ahead and save that into your favorite backup platform so you don't have to when when the woman executes the strategy you're in that happy 50% who get the beat off material for the future.
  • [04:46] Keith: Right? right? I mean I wasn't going to say it. But yes, the astute listener immediately recognizes that if he wants to cover the space. He should back things up to a unfindable spot as soon as he's received.
  • [04:59] Mike: Yeah I mean but guys are really stupid about this stuff I feel like I've seen on some some Tv show or something like guys being maybe like a reality show I don't know guys being sort of caught unawares with ah being asked to delete or you know the standard one is just like show me your phone isn't that a standard thing in in relationships nowadays like.
  • [05:15] Keith: Yes, yes.
  • [05:18] Mike: Let me see your phone and like guys are terrible at this and so like they they actually get caught with all kinds of stuff on their phone that they they shouldn't quote unquote shouldn't have um you know I mean they their're solutions to that as well, right? But I mean like the Apple. This is a reason android Keith you, you you use an Android phone and this probably is a reason actually other than the fact that they cost one-fifth as much I too use an iphone but that's because I'm rich, but ah, ah, but the but you guys aren't the listeners and and you should not be using an iphone and one of the problems is it syncs everything everywhere. And so ah, then you can't it's hard right? I mean like if you have tinder installed on your phone and you delete I mean it and it'll show up on your ipad too or whatever it's going to show up everywhere and so you got to be aware of that whereas if Android you probably can like sort of have different profiles or hide I don't know Keith would be the expert here. But.
  • [06:02] Keith: Yep.
  • [06:07] Keith: There's an episode of the show euphoria where a guy's girlfriend is suspicious and he goes to take a shower and so she gets 30 seconds with his phone and yeah, she quickly goes to Instagram messages Facebook messages snapchat. Looks at his you know last last you know two months of photos she has like you could tell she's done it before and she'll likely do it again and she immediately sniffs out that ah he may be gay.
  • [06:33] Mike: Oh well, that's a different thing I was I thought it was going to be the obvious of a you know his ah relations with a guy which direction transsexual.
  • [06:38] Keith: Well, he was cheating on her. It just happened to be with a trensexual. Ah, male to female.
  • [06:52] Mike: Okay, so he was having sex with a woman appearing person or a but person who says I'm a woman fine but that out of penis.
  • [06:58] Keith: Look I don't want to give too many euphoria ah spoilers here. It's a tv show with zenia anyway, let's move on. Ah, there's 1 other thing I wanted to to follow up on so that is incest porn commonality. So.
  • [07:03] Mike: I Don't even know what that is okay.
  • [07:16] Mike: Um.
  • [07:18] Keith: I think 2 episodes ago I tried to explain how common the incest trope is in porn and I'm not sure I did so adequately. So I went out and I found a list of companies now some of these have the same parent company. Ah, but that they feel they need to bifurcate inside their own umbrella just cements the point that there is either huge demand. Or huge unadventiveness by the producers. Ah so here's a list of ah various.
  • [07:44] Mike: But companies that do incest porn.
  • [07:48] Keith: Yeah, okay so these are like the premium ones. There's pure taboo family strokes free use, Fantasy Perv Mom Cis loves me filthy family dead Crush family sins. My family pies Bray Cis Spy Fam Mom's pink teens Daughter swap family Slop Family X X X Step siblings caught.
  • [07:57] Mike: Um, what.
  • [08:03] Mike: All right? all right right? What If what? what is what is dead crush. Oh dad I thought it was dead I was like man that's that that one didn't go with the other ones. Okay, fine.
  • [08:06] Keith: You get the idea no dad crush.
  • [08:13] Keith: Yeah, and then you know in then like non incest or in the non-premium space. There's incest flicks motherless incest taboo porns ex hamster incest mill sir am I I l left zr family porn milf nut taboo tube. Incest vis in says porn dot ex like anyway you get the idea it's it's a ah yeah, it's an avalanche and I don't know why I mean we talked about this 2 episodes of people want to hear our speculation about that. They're welcome to go back and listen but I but I did want to I did want to.
  • [08:33] Mike: Um, it's a nice ah plethora of selection there. Yeah.
  • [08:49] Mike: I Mean maybe it's just like a way for people to psychologically deal I could see this. It's a way for a man to psychologically deal with the fact that he wants to watch videos of a woman who's much younger than him but but but the thing that's weird about it is he's doing that by making it much much worse.
  • [08:49] Keith: Clarify that this is definitely a thing.
  • [09:05] Keith: Right? Why don't they do the professor thing or the babysitter thing or something non-insestual.
  • [09:08] Mike: Right.
  • [09:13] Mike: You know, yeah and and and right and for the for the very young woman thing I mean Keith Keith I think you and I agree on this like yeah, we ah we were discussing this not on the podcast a few days ago I mean like this goes along in my mind with the um, the recent revelations and so forth for ah.
  • [09:17] Keith: Or the casting couch.
  • [09:32] Mike: Ah, Jeffrey Epstein and the beleaguered potentially by this time this airs. Well and it's ghilaine. But who's ghilaine and apparently I watched some videos on this because I like to waste my time in terrible ways.
  • [09:36] Keith: Ghilaine Maxwell Jizz lane. Okay, laine is it there an s in there.
  • [09:48] Mike: Apparently like she has a pretty interesting background. Her dad was the founder of like the main tabloid newspapers in the uk who himself has ah had an interesting background but but also this sort of touches the royal royal family also ah because royal families probably should no longer exist and they probably will no longer exist in the next fifty years or something. But.
  • [09:52] Keith: Okay.
  • [09:58] Keith: Right? Prince Andrew
  • [10:07] Mike: but ah um yeah but I think you and I agreed on this so like the real crime here and this would be this is a little bit of a take that most people won't agree with they'll say ah this is not it but but the real crime here is not ah that that Saint Prince Andrew these guys wanted were attracted to very.
  • [10:14] Keith: Here we go I'm ready for it.
  • [10:25] Mike: Way too young for them women this is normal. It just is like it's just a reality of like our existence as mammals the real crime here is like what what was going on with going after people under eighteen because that's illegal and that's just stupid right? I mean like so and and so of course the best explanation I've.
  • [10:36] Keith: Right? It's sloppy.
  • [10:42] Mike: And the best explanation I've read of this is that Epstein was using was tricking them and they didn't know that these women were under eighteen and he was doing it as a blackmail operation which is kind of clever if that's what it was bravo to him which would also explain why guys like Bill gates and Bill Clinton might have gotten caught up in it like they wouldn't have done it on purpose. It would have been. The the the goal was to have sex with really young women not sixteen year olds and then when they find out they're 16 it's the deed's done and now you have to pay a lot of money to this guy with his island. But yeah, but anyway like the overarching thing here of like why would a guy fetishize and go after ah you know.
  • [11:02] Keith: Right.
  • [11:17] Mike: Someone under 18 It's really hard to understand and I I don't think ah I think for most men it would be hard to understand like most men if you gave them the choice of an 18 or a 17 year old would be indifferent and would pick the 18 year old obviously for legal reasons right.
  • [11:28] Keith: Yes I don't understand why they were courting people I think as young as 14 Although I have not kept up with this case as much as you have.
  • [11:37] Mike: I just think that this is what makes the this well I only recently sort of delved into it. This is this is what makes the blackmail idea pretty compelling to me is because otherwise quite intelligent people were doing this and it's like well I just don't believe that like. Yeah, look maybe I'm just like way off base here in terms of having ah a male brain but I just don't understand why a guy would find yeah eighteen so different than say so 15 or 16 in terms of how arousing it is like 15 to 16 is not better in any way. It's this It's at best the same and it could be worse because she's so young.
  • [12:06] Keith: And the risk the risk is 10 x right.
  • [12:11] Mike: It's like a thousand x I mean if it's 18 like sure it's embarrassing, but it's legal. You'd be like look like whatever like you know. And yeah so I mean like guys like yeah, follow the the age of consent rules like what are you doing? It's ridiculous, ridiculous. And anyway I feel the same way about the incest stuff. It's like what like what's going on here like like.
  • [12:12] Keith: Right.
  • [12:21] Keith: Right? okay.
  • [12:30] Mike: There There's so few rules people. There's so few rules.
  • [12:32] Keith: Right? Yeah why? why? ah pigeon your whole pigeonhole yourself into it. It's a situation when you could obviously just watch Babysitter porn.
  • [12:39] Mike: Yes, and when you're so wealthy and or whatever. Yeah, exactly a wealth of options there just ah, get some good stuff and it's never actually incest and you know that people so unless they're identical twin girls.
  • [12:46] Keith: Um, yeah, well that too. Okay.
  • [12:57] Mike: Then I don't know how they would fake it so I have seen a porn video before where there were 2 identical twin girls women in it and that has to be that their sisters I mean like they really were identical like I don't I don't unless it was like a camera trick. It wasn't a camera trick because they.
  • [12:58] Keith: How they would fake quit. What do you mean.
  • [13:05] Keith: Um, ah oh I see what you're saying.
  • [13:17] Mike: There were things where there was definitely a 2 people in the scene if you know what I mean.
  • [13:18] Keith: Oh I see what you're saying you're saying that it's harder to fake it if you can't pretend that identical twins aren't ince.
  • [13:26] Mike: Yeah, I'm saying that I've seen I don't not many times that I've seen a video where there were definitely sisters cavorting with each other.
  • [13:34] Keith: Yeah I have to okay, um, so we have our porn here I also wanted to discuss virtual reality porn should we do the porn watching first or discuss be our porn first.
  • [13:47] Mike: I let's do the porn watching first I got a fair number of things to say on the second topic.
  • [13:53] Keith: Okay, yes I know you do um okay so I'm going to try to narrate this today this it's about it's about a minute long and I've sent you the link are you ready.
  • [14:09] Mike: It's yeah, the link for everybody's information is in the show notes and and people do watch it along. We we get analytics from our huge analytics platform we have ah 10 plus computer scientists. All mit trained that study. The analytics from what you guys are doing. We know people watch along so it's it's there and and this one we're going to start at the 0 point of the of the film and Keith we've also figured out the technology to include the audio with this. The technology is that Keith holds his phone near the microphone with the porn while we watch it so you can hear it too.
  • [14:41] Keith: That's right, yeah and we've we've calibrated the proper volume level before we recorded. Okay, all right here we go 3 2 1 starting.
  • [14:44] Mike: Exactly.
  • [14:52] Keith: All right? We're in what looks like a public restroom. We have a couple young ladies admiring themselves in the mirror.
  • [14:56] Mike: Um, nice, um, every man's fantasy sort of.
  • [15:04] Keith: And oh and now one of them is pulling out her breast. It does taste cancer for what turns out to be a chance to try some breast milk. Okay girl number 2 is like yeah me like squeezing the nipple now use my team? Yeah yeah.
  • [15:24] Keith: Um, now she's sucking away here. Okay, it's really getting after it here. Okay.
  • [15:33] Mike: That is ah.
  • [15:40] Mike: Yeah, she's squeezing it like a bag of sand Oh the the creepy guy in the background saying saying you tell to tell her to drink it. It's not great. Oh and now O cheese.
  • [15:42] Keith: And just want to wait because there's one more development here. Get the Cameraman's getting involved now.
  • [15:54] Keith: Okay, it is sweet like okay so the man is sucking now it is holding up is the camera to the mirror so we can see everything here. Yeah, all right.
  • [15:59] Mike: He has facial hair.
  • [16:03] Mike: Why did he have to have facial hair.
  • [16:10] Keith: Ok and a little bit squirted out at the end all right. That's it um is this at all compelling to you.
  • [16:13] Mike: Yeah, So yeah, there was okay, yes, yes until the guy with the facial hair showed up like I would have much prefer and actually was until his voice came on and I knew he was there because I saw I mean like I'm a. You know you got to pay attention to these things when you're in the in the industry as we are ah I saw the camera moving and and and and let me tell you people this when the camera moves in a porn.. It's always a man moving say you know is never a woman. It's it's never,, there's no female cameraman in porn.
  • [16:45] Keith: Yeah, good good a sleuthing there. Ah I mean the girl The woman is is quite attractive. Ah I remember I saw this video the girl doing the sucking is is not as attractor I've seen this video a few times I I saw this video like too.
  • [16:47] Mike: Hate to sorry to say? Yeah yeah I know.
  • [16:55] Mike: People let's are aren't there. Okay I she's fine. Yeah.
  • [17:05] Keith: Two years ago she's fine but the other one is is hot I saw this video two years ago and when we were discussing about this a few episodes ago that is to say tasting breast milk I I was reminded so I wanted to to bring this up. Um, yeah I think I would be curious. To try. But you mentioned you mentioned that it it's disappointing tasting or it's or it's not that exciting.
  • [17:25] Mike: Sure.
  • [17:31] Mike: Well I don't really like milk. So I'm not like the best judge of this but ah, it's not like yeah I know what I don't whatever I mean look people should try it I Guess you know I don't want to ruin your fantasies.
  • [17:37] Keith: Sure.
  • [17:48] Keith: Well, you don't get an opportunity to try very often right? So I've had sex with plenty of partners and this opportunity has never availed itself to me.
  • [17:51] Mike: But it is you know.
  • [17:58] Mike: Yeah I mean I think they wouldn't I'm I'm somewhat confident this wouldn't be that hard to set up if somebody wanted to you know if they were like I have to do this. Let's say you were like you know only a month to live and this is one of your bucket list items I'm sure you could set it up.
  • [18:11] Keith: I Think it would be tricky. You have to find a woman who just gave birth or fairly recently look I don't want to look I know that some people breastfeed for years. Um.
  • [18:16] Mike: Within the last outlook you you haven't obviously ah been around. That's I was going to tell you a story I I won't yes yes, you haven't been around the the soccer fields of the bay area of California lately. But yeah, when the kid is like. Mom I'm thirsty and that she's like okay that's that's it's too. It's too. You should have stopped it just gets creepy. He's like man that's good as a good mom. Yeah, exactly exactly he's like yeah yeah, so I mean it's it's fine.
  • [18:38] Keith: Ah, they have like perfect sentence construction right? You're like oh he's like oh I'll be back at three P M for some more. Yeah.
  • [18:53] Mike: But it's not like I don't think it. Um I'm not sure what what is that? What is the arousingness of it for you Other than the fact that a woman's boob is involved.
  • [19:04] Keith: I'm not sure exactly there's something taboo about it I think that's amplifying things a bit. There's like a curious ah curiosity aspect it. Not really how it.
  • [19:07] Mike: 6 does it bother. You does it bother you or affect your thinking at all that you know I mean in general you would know with certainty that a baby had been on there doing that like within the last twenty four hours does that affect your thinking.
  • [19:23] Keith: Um, right? because if I know it's not mine then I'm I'm sort of sharing this. Ah.
  • [19:31] Mike: No, it could be your baby but it's not your it's not. It's that there's someone else that's been doing that very recently and not in the way not in an erotic way. Okay.
  • [19:40] Keith: I don't think so I know that a lot of people have problems sexualizing their wife after you know they've given birth to their child that there's something. There's a name for this. It's called like Madonna horror Symptom or something.
  • [19:55] Mike: That's a little different I think I think that's that's actually quite different. That's ah, that's that's just the general male tendency to want women to have this sort of bifurcated personality where women are which and this is totally true that like men want women to be very prim and proper and then they want them to turn into sluts.
  • [20:10] Keith: Okay.
  • [20:11] Mike: Right? And so and so like because it's like there's part of the and this is I think is right part of like I think a universal of male erotic thinking is the notion that you're sort of defiling something that's um, sacred right? and this this Madonna hor. Yeah.
  • [20:22] Keith: Right? I mean ah I mean we've talked about this plenty. But yeah I mean I struggle sometimes sexualizing people that I really respect and I don't understand how so many people don't struggle with this. But anyway we don't have to get you to that. But no I know.
  • [20:37] Mike: That's not a thing you want to say Well, it's just if you're if you're dating someone and then she's gonna be like can you sexualize me and and what do you say to respond to that if you say yes, then she knows if she's listed to this podcast that you don't respect her if you say no.
  • [20:40] Keith: I Know like women at least.
  • [20:49] Keith: It's tricky. It's it's ah it's a tricky conversation.
  • [20:55] Mike: Then you don't sexualize her see you need to you need to like not say that great.
  • [20:55] Keith: Maybe we can. We can never release this episode now because it'll it'll hurt my sex life going forward. Um, no, there isn't there something where men struggle to sexualize their wives after they after they've had their children or while they're carrying their child because they sort of. View them as this sort of you know, perfect Madonna that is taking care of their offspring and it and they I can't remember what it's called I feel like I've read about this on Reddit though.
  • [21:21] Mike: I Think men don't want to interact with the baby part like I think that men are programmed. This is a thing one could debate like I think that I think that like in in the state of nature I think that males are.
  • [21:30] Keith: What do you mean? the baby part.
  • [21:38] Mike: Sort of are supposed to somewhat ignore babies somewhat sort of tolerate them kind of be like whatever about them. They're not. They're not and they're they're They're not really like when the woman is caring or female is caring for because it could be an animal is caring for really small.
  • [21:41] Keith: Um.
  • [21:52] Mike: Children like the man. The male is not really involved in that and I think we're supposed to be sort of repelled by that and then there's some age the kid gets to whatever the the offspring gets to where like men are more Interested. You know in different ways depending on the gender of the offspring. But I think like so I think that men are not interested in that as much but I think that generally like. The inability to sexualize I'm not sure that's that doesn't ring right to me I think it's much more the other direction that like the woman has difficulty switching gears.
  • [22:20] Keith: Huh Okay, well I will come armed with a little bit more research on this next time but that doesn't that would not apply to me if I was in a situation where I was testing ah a woman's breast milk who wasn't my partner that.
  • [22:23] Mike: Sure.
  • [22:37] Keith: Potential obstacle wouldn't exist I have a story actually that's mildly interesting I went to a bachelor party once I was in Mexico and it had one of these ah pools where everyone had one of these pools where you know the bar is in the.
  • [22:47] Mike: Aho Don donkeys no
  • [22:57] Mike: In the water. Yeah.
  • [22:57] Keith: Is in the is in the pool and you know the water's kind of gross right? There's like sunscreen and spilled beer and then you sort of wonder why some of the people that have been at this bar for hours haven't left even though they've been drinking the whole time. So there's probably urine in the pool too.
  • [23:11] Mike: It's like that's like I asked my daughter if she pees in the pool and she's like no I stopped doing that two years ago I was like oh no, that's not what I was hoping to hear go on. Yeah, so so you know there's some p in there. Yeah.
  • [23:19] Keith: Right? Yeah, ah so anyway, we met these ah 2 ladies and a couple of the guys in the bachelor party I was with started hitting it off with them and one of them had a very sizable bosom. And ah I sort of noticed because I was examining them I was wearing sunglasses I was able to do this in a subtle way I noticed that she was lactating. She was wearing a swimsuit and it wasn't.
  • [23:48] Mike: How did you? How did you become aware of that like.
  • [23:55] Keith: Black it was I don't remember what color the swimsuit was I should ask my friend to see if he remembers but ah yeah, you could tell there was like a little bit of moisture on her nipples and anyway ah short story long. My friend did end up hooking up with her and.
  • [24:03] Mike: Okay, go on.
  • [24:10] Keith: Ah, he mentioned that yeah he tried some breast milk in the in the course of that hookup and ah apparently these 2 women were from Los Angeles and their husbands had sent them to cabo to to get away I don't know why. But yeah I mean there's all kinds of dysfunction there I don't. To speculate exactly what was going on in those people's lives. But ah yeah, that happened so anyway I have at least 1 friend that has tried the breast milk of somebody that wasn't the mother of his child.
  • [24:38] Mike: Hu I would yeah would be interesting to that that the mentality of the woman in that situation I mean I'm I'm going to assume I'm going to I'm assuming that it's alcoholism extremely drunk and like not yeah I mean your friend was able to maneuver.
  • [24:43] Keith: Yes, yes, you wonder what's going on.
  • [24:56] Mike: Well because she was drunk and so forth I'm going to assume it's that but like yeah I mean look there are women that have like kind of unusual Behavior patterns who are like oh yeah I know what I'll do I'll have a kid and then right afterward to start fucking guys in Cabo It's like huh That's not a typical female behavior.
  • [25:07] Keith: Yeah, yeah, we speculated about that at length after this and didn't really arrive anywhere satisfying. It's just sort of like this feels icky on just about every front.
  • [25:20] Mike: Now it feel it sounds great to me I mean I don't from a male perspective this sounds like a ideal situation. Um, and also like I'll say I'll say this like when you were describing this story when you're telling the story like there like I can sort of see the allure like you're like hey like the fact that I see this thing about her body. That feels like invasive and intrusive and I could see a guy sexualizing that you're like oh I like I noticed she was lactating and then I took advantage like that's sounding more male that all make sense to me but like just the general like yeah like I Just don't I don't know like outside of just pure curiosity I Think if a woman said hey I'm going to um, squeeze out. Um you know an ounce of breast milk.
  • [25:58] Keith: This is.
  • [25:59] Mike: You want to have it I think other than just pure curiosity. You would not find that sexual at all you like ah okay, in much the same way that like a woman would find it totally unsexual to have a man offer to masturbate into a some sort of container and then have her drink it or whatever unless she was.
  • [26:11] Keith: Shot Glass or whatever. Yeah.
  • [26:16] Mike: Look Actually honestly, that's never something they want in my opinion. But if you were present with her. She might view it as some kind of submissive thing but like generally it's just K not.. It's like an interesting interesting that. Ah, now that I think about it Maybe I'm belaboring this but interesting that like as a man if you if you got the. Milk from a woman's Breast. You probably view that as dominant you ordered her to do it. But if a woman gets your semen. It's Submissive. You know what? I mean if in a container. Yeah yeah, the substance matters a lot there in my mind at least.
  • [26:38] Keith: Oh huh. Yeah I mean I think you could I think you can construct a point of view where it's submissive for them for a man to be suckling on breast milk but that depends the ah the details are important.
  • [26:50] Mike: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting I have to I yes is the baby or the mom dominant. Yeah, it's true. It's true. Yeah I like the idea of the baby dominating the mom I think that's what's really going on is the baby's the dominant. There did the baby's in charge now.
  • [26:58] Keith: Right? Yeah, Okay, ah. Right? So you've had a recent change in your life. You have ordered a device how much how much does an oculus cost.
  • [27:10] Mike: You man.
  • [27:16] Mike: This is the oculus quest to Keith it's two ninety Nine Three ninety nine if you buy it with the flash memory upgrade. It's it just makes it so you can download more content to it and or have more apps on it. Yeah.
  • [27:24] Keith: What is that? what? why would you need the Flash Memory upgrade. Okay.
  • [27:35] Mike: Um, and not only I got one but a friend of mine also got one like immediately thereafter when I told him that it it created a and and you've refused so far I think because of your distaste for the Facebook corporation which of course is a terrible corporation that no one should patronize.
  • [27:49] Keith: Um, yeah, well I'm also worried about where this could lead. So can you talk a little bit about your experience with virtual reality porn.
  • [27:53] Mike: Um, for.
  • [28:01] Mike: Yeah, so I mean well yes I mean the only in my view thus far like I do think like I don't want to like get into some sort of technology conversation. But I do think like that the experience I think that it makes sense for people to try one of these out like the the latest generation. Ah. The experience is pretty startling. It was startling to me I had used one of the ones from like say three years ago and I was surprised at the advances that have been made in terms of like how realistic it felt how that when you move your head like the the video you're seeing changes very quickly like I did like a virtual tour of. Ah, city on Youtube Vr and it was you know, very realistic so actually worthwhile. But I know we don't want to talk about worthwhile things on the podcast. So let me move on from that. Ah, the main use of this device like the vcr its predecessor like all these other devices of course is porn and ah.
  • [28:46] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [28:59] Mike: Yeah I mean like it is a ah for a certain type of porn viewing. It is a sea change. Um, and the reason why is basically for something where you're watching from the male Pov. Ah it. Um. Yeah, it it triggers much more of your brain to think that the situation you're watching is real then would be done by a video on a screen in much the way that a video on a screen triggers much more than a picture in a magazine or a thing you're imagining. Yes.
  • [29:26] Keith: Okay, quick sidebar is there any non male PoV vr porn like where you're like standing off to the side as a third party observer.
  • [29:31] Mike: Yes, absolutely right? And and so that's an interesting thing that I want to mention so I have ah there are various things that I enjoy I Mostly enjoy sort of more amateur stuff like I don't really like the kind of. Traditional Porn star stuff unfortunately like and when I say the Porn Star stuff. It's the woman behaving in totally unrealistic ways and like sort of this thing where like she narrates what's happening the whole time.. There's like a kind of standard script for these videos whether it's Vr or not and I don't really enjoy that stuff so and unfortunately or depends on your point of view here. Stuff that you see on the Vr sites is much more likely to be professionally produced right now because I'm assuming because the cameras are more accessible for those that'll change. Yeah.
  • [30:13] Keith: Yeah, the equipment they need is is too expensive I did see that I did see that canon just started selling a virtual reality. It's It's 2 lenses in order to get the virtual reality thing right? You have to have stereos stereoscopic vision so you need. Two lenses and I saw that cannon just began selling one for amateurs. So yeah, maybe we'll start beginning getting more amateur porn soon.
  • [30:35] Mike: Yeah I mean I'm I'm sure this will I'm certain this will change and on camsites. This will probably become one of the standard formats I'm sure they'll have a way to broadcast in both formats. You know, ah you can have two lenses so you can see in Vr in another.
  • [30:45] Keith: The.
  • [30:51] Mike: Single lens to see in the standard traditional format or maybe love a way to convert. But the point is like yeah.
  • [30:53] Keith: Yeah I mean during during that ah during that revolution where movies were coming down in 3 d all the time you could still watch them in non three d so yeah, it'll be the same with Warren.
  • [31:02] Mike: Yeah I mean this is yeah comparing this to that it would be sort of sort of silly like those were just like absolutely atrocious and immediately kind of would make you nauseous and so forth like nauseating both from a content perspective as most movies are but also from ah just like the way it made you feel but this one yeah like so okay, so so.
  • [31:10] Keith: Yeah.
  • [31:21] Mike: A couple things one is that like so to your question like do they ever have videos that are not from your perspective. So I have purposely gone and watched a wide variety of these videos and there's some interesting findings I have for example on porn on like a regular just like a regular tube site like I have no problem. Watching like pretty weird stuff like it doesn't I'm not gay but it doesn't some people like some guys will say oh I can't watch gayborn it bothers me. It doesn't bother me like it's not exciting to me but it's fine like I'm like okay this is fine in vr, it's not okay like I now understand the reaction. Many men have when they see it like it's too realistic. Yes, yes, yeah, yes it yeah, it feels like it's it just triggers more of my brain like it's like I like I feel like I'm actually in a room with 2 guys fucking each other and it makes me really uncomfortable. Um.
  • [31:57] Keith: It's more in your face. It feels yeah more realistic or more oppressive or something. Okay.
  • [32:09] Keith: Yeah, yeah, the.
  • [32:13] Mike: So if you're interested in that experience or like curious what it would be like go ahead like I learned that I don't like it um like they have For example, let's see so that would be non-po Ov You also can do Pov gay stuff which also which is actually worse because it's you you? then then you're the guy being fucked or fucking a guy and they are like ha really.
  • [32:32] Keith: Ah, and you've explored all of these right? I don't Okay, how long do you think a normal amount would be sure.
  • [32:32] Mike: This isn't what I want to have happen. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, Ah, so then we yeah but not for not for very long because I generally was discomfiting I didn't enjoy it whereas for like I just to see it. You're trying. You're go To. You're gonna try to argue that I did it longer than normal. Not yeah, a normal amount would probably be 0 for a hetero guy. But of course I'm I'm doing the research other people won't do but but I would say that it started bothering me immediately and I would only like watch it for yeah.
  • [32:52] Keith: I'm just asking the questioners the questions the listeners must have here that is correct. Less's nice of you. Thank you? Thank you.
  • [33:08] Keith: Yeah, okay.
  • [33:09] Mike: Less than a minute before kind of being like I don't want to see this anymore. Um, you know? Ah so let's see there are videos so part of the reason I bring that up is let me just bring up another one that I really didn't like on the topic of things I didn't like so normally there is there is porn that's like ah.
  • [33:20] Keith: Okay, yes.
  • [33:27] Mike: It's just normal. You know on on Pornhub or something that is taken from the woman's point of view whether she's having sex with a man or a woman and I typically find that stuff like fine like like I don't like because I think when I view it I'm still thinking from the man's perspective right? like so like even if it's taken I don't.
  • [33:31] Keith: A.
  • [33:40] Keith: Yeah.
  • [33:44] Mike: There's a kind where it's where it's a p ov where the woman's giving a blow I don't love that because like in the in inexorably layer or and invariably the guy just like nuts all over the camera lens and I don't love that. Um, so and that's sort of it's just like this really close up shot of a guy's cock I'm not although you can hear the woman's sounds maybe which is kind of compelling so but but like yeah, it depends. It's.
  • [33:50] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [34:00] Keith: Um, yeah I Ah yeah I mean just really quickly I I've in the past I've thought it's a little bit weird how I can enjoy female pov porn because usually you're seeing basically more of the man or more of the the male Genitalia than you are the woman and it's not my favorite but.
  • [34:03] Mike: Yeah, go ahead.
  • [34:09] Mike: Yeah, right.
  • [34:19] Mike: Right.
  • [34:20] Keith: In the context of a larger scene I can sometimes yeah I can enjoy it and I you know usually I'm thinking about 1 thing on the front of my mind but in the back of my mind I'm sort of like huh. This is interesting like it's not what I would expect would still be arousing but it it can be sorry anyway continue.
  • [34:32] Mike: Exactly? Yeah, no I mean I I've paid attention to my reactions and like I'm I'm still like if you if you have a let's say they mount the camera on her head or something.
  • [34:40] Keith: Um, sure sure sure. Yes.
  • [34:42] Mike: I'm still looking at her body like it's just that her body's reclined and his body's more prominent. But in fact, if I think of where my eyes are going there to her and I'm thinking I'm imagining myself as the guy like that's what's going on anyway. Invr doesn't work at all like like because the problem is you're looking and you keep in mind when you move your head it changes what you're looking at and so. Problem within Vr is you can look up and there's just this tude looming over you and you're like no so so it it changes the aspect at all completely and also like I did manage to find one female P O V one in vr where the dude just you know, pulls out moves up toward the camera and just.
  • [35:03] Keith: There's a man. Yeah, yeah, right, right? right.
  • [35:19] Mike: Blows his load all over the place and that's I I didn't like that at all I do not I don't want a man I do not want a man ejaculating near my mouth. Yeah.
  • [35:29] Keith: Is the sound in these videos different like you know I know that certain vr content has this either. So You know, really good stereo or even 3 D sound are they using Microphones and is the content you're downloading does it does it have. That kind of advanced sound.
  • [35:50] Mike: It's I don't know if it's advanced I mean the sound is in the headset and it's definitely stereo and sort of near your ear. Um, it's it's very realistic feeling. Um, so hang on. Let me get over to like let me get to what the what the more compelling so there there is an aspect so I've told you like yeah and okay, sorry 1 more thing.
  • [35:55] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [36:06] Mike: It's it's also not compelling if you're the cameraman and you're watching 2 people fucking. It's variable like sometimes that's good and sometimes it's not it depends it'ss it's very variable like ah, that's the normal thing you're going to see in like ah pornhub type porn here. It's it makes it more variable because you're more experientially in the scene. Thing that that that works really well and if you like this type and I I do ah anything that's shot from the guy's perspective works really really? well. Yeah, so basically a standard video that they have that works really well now this isn't I mean the problem is like you don't want to watch this all the time and so like but is something you do like once a week
  • [36:32] Keith: Yeah, male pov. Yeah.
  • [36:45] Mike: Twice a week or something that would be compelling. Ah yeah, it's basically a typical scene. There is like the guy's sitting on the couch or whatever and then there's like a series of ah positions that are adopted that you can imagine all of them where the woman is the only one moving and the guy's just sort of sitting there and so you look down and it's like it's your cock and so on and so forth and like that. That experience is extremely realistic and is much more ah much more engaging than a traditional Pornhub thing and that was that was yeah that was the thing that convinced this friend to try it and and I think should convince you to try it too like it's it's I mean there's negatives to it like in the sense that like look.
  • [37:10] Keith: That then regular pay of a porn.
  • [37:22] Mike: I Now feel like I have a much better understanding of what it's like to be a male porn star in the sense that like you see the woman in in the good and the bads of her and like you I would say that and I would say that and also yes that and also you can see her body.
  • [37:28] Keith: It feels mechanical in a way that you can't tell with regular porn or or that's that's amplified by the by the Vr experience.
  • [37:41] Mike: In a much with much greater clarity than it's It's what's the word like it's like their bodies are I mean it's what it is like I mean they're they're they're like they're kind of used up people right.
  • [37:44] Keith: It's so it's not flattering or something.
  • [38:00] Mike: Like it doesn't it doesn't look great like you're like this is okay but you like look at it and you're like yeah this is this person's been through some shit you know like it's that it's not they don't feel sort of fresh now. Maybe that'll change as they get more like amateur stuff but like this is the.
  • [38:06] Keith: Yeah.
  • [38:14] Mike: This is what I see when I look at it is like oh like this is it's like you know if you went to the strip club and I mean it's like somebody who like it's their job. They spend a lot of time bouncing up and down on cocks in front of cameras and it shows when you look at them like they're yeah.
  • [38:23] Keith: How much of that so you say it shows but I mean I wonder if you took 5 strippers and five dot strippers were around the same age. It had you know similar ways that they did their hair and makeup if you could if you could tell the ones that.
  • [38:33] Mike: Um.
  • [38:43] Keith: Had ah there were sex workers.
  • [38:45] Mike: I Think that the similar ways they do their hair and makeup is important here. So like that. Yeah.
  • [38:48] Keith: I Do too. That's that's that's my speculation is that it's It's not so much that they're used up. It's that they are presenting in a way that lets you know that they maybe.
  • [39:01] Mike: Yeah I mean things to do with like breast augmentations like weird I mean yeah, it's just not like I don't it it varies but like it's not like the let me just say that like the this this may have more to do with like my predileilection for.
  • [39:04] Keith: Right? right.
  • [39:17] Mike: More amateur stuff like more realistic looking people like people. Yeah everyday looking people. Um, so I think in some ways that would reflect well on me. Maybe I mean by whatever but the ah but yeah, like it's so it could just be that they're a type of woman who I would never really watch in porn typically because they're they've got like the big fake eyelashes on and the you know.
  • [39:34] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [39:37] Mike: Weird weird kind of may they're they're just they're just dolled up in a way that it's just obvious what's going on and it's kind of I've it's not my favorite It's not my cup of tea. Um, but anyway it's like this. My main point I guess my main point because I mean I was you know on some level I think you would like this Keith because you always let you say you like to sort of pause these things and look at the imperfections of the woman and I would say here you could really see exactly what you're dealing with.
  • [39:54] Keith: Yeah. Um, is the interface conducive to switching content or do you sort of have to settle on something and it's ah it's a big chore to switch to something else.
  • [40:12] Mike: It's basically just a browser and when you go into the video. There's a button that basically turns it into 3 d and then you can just come back out of it and go back. It's not it's slower I understand what you're saying it's slower to go between content because you're using this input device. It's not perfectly designed for this use case. Um.
  • [40:19] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [40:25] Keith: Um, sure sure sure.
  • [40:28] Mike: I'm sure that will improve drastically. Um, as will the like actually the here's what I'll say I'll make the prediction about this is like this is going to become the standard mode of consumption of porn.
  • [40:37] Keith: Well you mentioned that something about once a week so I don't know when you bought this exactly but for every end times that you've masturbated since you got it what percentage of them have been.
  • [40:54] Mike: Not yeah, probably like 1 and 3 1 and 4 Yeah.
  • [40:55] Keith: With the headset and why isn't it more or why isn't it less but like that's the mount. That's the amount that that seems about right.
  • [41:00] Mike: Because now it's yeah because there are 2 issues one is that the I actually think it'll go down from there with the current availability of porn and this friend I gave it to Ah, said the same thing I suggested and he got got one I said the same thing. It's like it's compelling. It's very compelling as an initial experience but like there is not that much availability of content right now there's a lot but and it's very repetitive because it's like they they haven't look. There's innovation required like you have to figure out how to like.
  • [41:28] Keith: Um, yeah, sure there's probably like 7 studios that are doing this and.
  • [41:33] Mike: Depict all the different things. Yeah I mean look they're they're just they're basic like production issues like for example, like 1 of the things they'll do is they'll try. They'll try to depict oral performed on the woman but the way they do it is they basically move her vagina like within a centimeter of the cameras.
  • [41:47] Keith: Now. Yeah.
  • [41:50] Mike: And so then it's like it's like you're crossing your eyes and it's like not so these are just things where like they need to gather feedback like the standard loop of innovation right? Gather feedback see what's working see what's not and also like there's also like I think a miniaturization of camera technology needed here where it's like it's just too hard right now to film these things and so they wind up just with a certain set of stock.
  • [41:58] Keith: Yeah.
  • [42:07] Keith: I see yeah.
  • [42:10] Mike: Positions that are possible. Um, and also there's another thing I could imagine like further into the future I'm actually sure this will happen too like have you seen? Um I know you've seen from like ah they made a big deal some years back. Maybe even a decade back of like at the super bowl they had all these cameras positioned around the field so that they could like sort of. Been the scene around when there was like a catch. Do. You remember this? Okay and they were making it.
  • [42:30] Keith: Yes I do remember this. In fact I think they still do it in some stadiums that sometimes but anyway yeah, go ahead.
  • [42:38] Mike: Yeah, so I'm confident that that ultimately is like the destination of this is that like not only can you So I mean another thing that's sort of interesting about these videos is that you can since you can turn the head you can see I actually have found and I spend some amount of time doing this in the scene like I'll just look at the room more. Because it's like you can see so much detail of the room they're in and often it's kind of disappointing detail like the bowl of Lube placed near the guy's hand. Ah, or ah, right, They can't right? So they're in this yeah or you know they're just things where you're like Wow this is kind of sad.
  • [43:04] Keith: Oh I see they're not. They're not cropping things out as as cleverly as they do with? yeah yeah, okay, all right? So the directors are going to have to learn how to make things more immersive.
  • [43:16] Mike: Like there's an element of sadness to it hang on hang on. But but that's right and the thing I wanted to say is like I'm sure that 1 thing that will happen is like like that football game thing the ability to move not just to turn your head but to move where you appear to be in the room. Yes, will start to happen and and you know it's just a matter of the computers being able to.
  • [43:29] Keith: The camera. Yep.
  • [43:36] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [43:36] Mike: Take multiple images and like figure out how to correctly, like correct for all the distortions when you move around the room and so then they'll have like they'll do these porn shoots and they'll have like 10 cameras they set up in certain predictable locations and then basically you can just you can just view it from any angle. Yeah I'm sure that's where this is headed.
  • [43:47] Keith: Yeah, it'll be like being on a hollow deck.
  • [43:53] Mike: Including I assume a camera inside the vagina. So you're like I just want to see peekaboo with his the glands of his cock. There is a video like that on Pornhub by the way. Yeah anime I don't anime porn and.
  • [43:58] Keith: They do that. That's a common trope in ah and it's what is annae porn called it's called Hentai Hentai I think but yeah, they'll think could the cartoon artists will.
  • [44:11] Mike: And we go yes.
  • [44:17] Keith: Draw Yeah like ah, anatomically correct inside the Vagina cross section.
  • [44:21] Mike: Yeah, there's a video of that on Pornhub and it looks like a sad elephant whose trunk is vomiting.
  • [44:29] Keith: Wow That was a surprisingly good off the cuff analogy there I'm impressed. Yeah.
  • [44:32] Mike: Thanks yeah, it doesn't It's not good like you see it and you're like oh it's yeah ands Yeah, seeing objectively yeah porn. Yeah I don't know it must be weird when women who are not in important see it. They probably always see it that way. They're like oh there's a man stroking. It's like he's rubbing his finger. They're just not into it.
  • [44:50] Keith: Um, yeah, all right? Well I promised we'd get to this vagina taste Reddit thread. Do you have anything else. You want to say about vr before we move on. Give it a shot. Yeah write in and let us know. Yeah I'm curious.
  • [44:51] Mike: Anyway.
  • [44:59] Mike: I Just wanted to encourage the listeners to try it And yeah if you if you got the cash.
  • [45:09] Keith: How your frequency of usage will develop over time I'll I'll try to remember to ask you at the beginning of the next episode to see. Okay, so unfortunately the contents of this thread have been deleted but I can still see the topic and I can see the responses and this person asks.
  • [45:13] Mike: Sure.
  • [45:28] Keith: What food could you compare the taste of good pussy to and you know you have your sort of normal stuff here. So the first person says the taste is very mild, not comparable to food but more of a slightly acidic tang just less of a taste and more of a sensation on the tongue.
  • [45:42] Mike: For me Stilton Stilton cheese yeah
  • [45:47] Keith: I remember using that word tang with ah our former guest Eric once and he was revolted by that. But yeah tang is the is a good description. Ah somebody here says playstation fan air I think that's something for the younger generation playstation fan air is probably.
  • [46:02] Mike: How many you plays too much. Yeah.
  • [46:04] Keith: Something they really like yeah ah another person says ya colt I don't even know what that is is that a food they they say it's the same bacteria. Oh it's a C probiotic drink. It's a Japanese sweetened probiotic milk.
  • [46:16] Mike: Some kind of cheese I don't know Yeah, never heard of that grows if.
  • [46:24] Keith: Beverage fermented with a bacteria strain lcto bacillis cas say sherota it is sold by ya cold toncha baked based in Tokyo okay well I've never tried that but I'm guessing. It's not exactly the same.
  • [46:37] Mike: Well, that's probably actually like that's probably actually the stuff that comes out. No vaginas are not sauces Anyway, go on? Yeah, whatever.
  • [46:44] Keith: Yeah, who knows I mean you can imagine like if you have the exact right? Is it a fungus. What is the yeast What? What? what is like what is the thing that's dominating the the the taste of pussy. Yeah I don't know either.
  • [46:58] Mike: I Don't know the answer to that I assume it's I I Assume if I'm being totally honest I Assume it's urine.
  • [47:06] Keith: We've talked about this before but when you go down on someone. It does take a couple licks to get the ah to get the year you know the you're a residue off the beta god you know how recently they've showered or or whatnot. Ah, this person says.
  • [47:11] Mike: Um, ah right? Yeah no, a shower is good.
  • [47:20] Keith: This versus says little bit off topic. But I once had a salad that tasted exactly like a sloppy wet pussy that feels a little bit like Steve Carell in 40 year old virgin like.
  • [47:27] Mike: It does there is you know there is a tree at least if they have in California I'm sure it's throughout its other places too that has these white flowers. It makes in early spring that smell like nut and like people talk about it come they smell like calm and like it's funny because it does.
  • [47:39] Keith: Smell like nut or smell like pussy huh.
  • [47:46] Mike: Like it's like like I was yeah, it does and you're like oh yeah, that I recognize that smell funny. No oh is that? Yeah, what is that.
  • [47:51] Keith: Ah, do you have do you have Google lens or have you ever used google lens you can take a picture of like a plant or an animal and it uses some sort of Ai or machine learning and it'll spit back at you what it is and it works really well so I was going to ask you next time you see that flower.
  • [48:10] Mike: Oh you can just look it up. Come smelling tree. It's the purist Cal Kayo riana it's ah it's the ornamental pair calorie pair in the us that's it.
  • [48:11] Keith: Ah, snap a photo that's not as fun now. Let's see here. Okay, okay, send me a link send me a link. Ah.
  • [48:27] Mike: Okay.
  • [48:29] Keith: This person says Greek Honey Yogurt I think that's romanticizing things a bit I don't think that's actually right? ah and then you know you get some more. You can't can't help thinking of my girlfriend whenever I eat chilled mango or sugar Apple of course not the sweetness l o l but texture juiciness and the satisfied feeling I don't.
  • [48:34] Mike: Now.
  • [48:47] Mike: Yeah, no, they're not they the thing is that you're you're you look you? Um, when you're aroused you just feel differently about these things and so you're gonna be like yeah, it's like it's not. It's fine, but it's not like it's not something that you would like choose to.
  • [48:48] Keith: Like anyone's being honest in this thread.
  • [49:03] Keith: To eat. You don't you You wouldn't use it for calories. It's ah I mean it did. There's even some confused women I've I've tasted my own pussy and it usually just depends none of them particularly bad flavors. Although as a.
  • [49:06] Mike: Yeah, exactly correct correct. You'd say this is something a little funky.
  • [49:20] Keith: WLW I'm a little biased with WLW.
  • [49:23] Mike: Weight Loss wrestler woman losing weight I keep going for losing weight and I don't know.
  • [49:30] Keith: I Think it might be some I think it might be a Lesbian term just.
  • [49:35] Mike: WW was a I believe a an a m radio station in Ohio also yeah in the no, no oh there's tons like Kgo there's tons of 3 letter ones. That's just a mistake. But yeah, it was really it's it's famously the one that was.
  • [49:43] Keith: Don't they need to be 4 letters to start always starting with W or there are there 3 letter. Oh you're right? You're right.
  • [49:55] Mike: Broadcast so much power that people would receive it through their fillings and their teeth and so forth. Um, yeah, ten Thousand watts probably not ten Thousand Megawatts yeah yeah
  • [49:59] Keith: Yeah I think they they block it ten Thousand Megawatts now um or ten thousand watts yeah for sorry ten Megawatts I can't remember anyway all right? Ah, this person says. Tasted mine pussy and it usually just depends none of them particularly bad flavors. Although he has a wwwm a little biased on the best day an unseasoned waterlogged steak. What is a waterlogged steak.
  • [50:25] Mike: It means you take a steak and you put it in the water for a long time. A thing isn't that so vide isn't that sous vide.
  • [50:30] Keith: That's not a way of preparing steak. No, you don't you you vacuum seal it before you cook it in a sous vi machine so it doesn't get waterlogged.
  • [50:38] Mike: Oh right? So It doesn't get water like yeah I don't know what to tell you look here's the here's the truth about this is it like what it's not whatever it is is not great, but it typically if the person's aroused it. It gets sort of overwhelmed by the um. You know the fluid that lubricates that then just is sort of Benign. Um, yeah.
  • [50:58] Keith: Yeah I think it's a little bit I think it's a little bit evocative of oyster right? So it's sort of briny a little bit salty. Maybe a little bit maybe a little bit sweet. It could be.
  • [51:08] Mike: That's just p It's just p I mean let's be honest now.
  • [51:15] Keith: I've never tried my own pee either I'm I'm guessing you have you've tried all your body fluids.
  • [51:20] Mike: Depends on what you mean by try like one time I ah so I found that and you can do this too that when you're in the shower you can if you if you really need to pee. You can point your penis upward and you can pee in like this pleasant arc this sort of arch. Can get all the way up to your head I mean it can go really high and then it sort of Arches down like a fountain and I believe that one time when I was a kid I like put my tongue out. It was like whatever it was bad I mean look you can just smell it. It tastes like it smells I think I lose a long time ago. Yeah.
  • [51:41] Keith: Yeah I've never done that.
  • [51:50] Keith: Right.
  • [51:53] Mike: Yeah, you're not in a very adventurous ah just ensconced in your ah sleeping bag never trying your own body Fluids I Still think you're lying to be honest, but yeah, yeah about all of these things I Just don't like.
  • [52:00] Keith: I don't I don't want to know about my about not tasting my com.
  • [52:09] Mike: These are this the range of human experience like why? What's what's what do you have to lose I think it has gotten the better of it and you're lying. You're just repeatedly lying about this topic each topics.
  • [52:09] Keith: Um, you think my intellectual curiosity would get the better of my disgust.
  • [52:18] Keith: I don't think it's a particularly embarrassing thing to admit that you've tasted your come I'm just I just haven't okay are okay I think we have time for 1 more topic here.
  • [52:23] Mike: I think it I hear you by hear I think it's pretty embarrassing.
  • [52:37] Keith: Trying to decide which one to get into Let's do this let's do this anal one we haven't talked about anal yet today and so I guess we're we're obligated to by the terms of our contract with the with the show here. This person says won't do anal until he tries it himself. Boyfriend male 23 really wants to trianal I female 22 am on the fence about it I told him I'd give it a shot if he let me peg him once to he looked at me like I'd lost my fucking mind and said as much basically straight guys. Don't do that like fair I guess traditionally not the thing they do but is it so crazy for me to ask. When he wants the same exact thing I don't particularly want anything up my as during sex. But I'd be willing to try if he wanted to is it a much bigger deal for straight men than I'm making it out to be and if so should I drop subject with him. Um, so look. There are lots of things that I don't really want to do on myself. Ah that I would like to do to a woman. Well I guess I mean I mean this is the big 1 right? like I think if this woman doesn't isn't at all curious about anal sex then she should just not do it like imposing some sort of. Penalty on her boyfriend is not like an eye for an eye here is not the right approach.
  • [53:57] Mike: Right? She's assuming that that will dissuade him from any interest in this. That's that's ah that has to sort of be her ultimate goal here and also like as she like I think that women like this is one thing I would advise women is that. Ah.
  • [54:03] Keith: If she doesn't want to do it. She should just not do it.
  • [54:13] Keith: Yeah I can your phone's not within reach. Oh.
  • [54:14] Mike: Hear that somebody's calling me anyway. So it's it's not my phone. That's the problem it finished. Ah so okay, so so I don't think that. Ah I think that women should consider in this situation that the man might like it and just just think through that like game theory there.
  • [54:31] Keith: Ah, yeah.
  • [54:33] Mike: Like what if he likes it What if he says you know what this was awesome I'm not suggesting he would turn gay at ah anyway I'm not suggesting that at all I'm suggesting that now you might have to lube up a strap on constantly and be pegging this guy up the butt and like I look I don't I think that if I.
  • [54:38] Keith: Right.
  • [54:51] Mike: Had a it was with someone who just wanted anal constantly I would not like that I think I just be like ah like this is not what I signed up for it's just a lot of but yeah I suppose I mean but it's like it's just like it's It's not.
  • [55:00] Keith: It's like an occasion you're you're occasionally interested in such a endeavor.
  • [55:09] Mike: Yeah, it's sort of a hassle I mean it's something that I imagine for for gay men is a hassle you know and it's it's something you can escape by having an orph that does not behave the way the anus behaves and so yeah, so i' I'm just saying I think the woman should should consider that now and and I also agree that she's doing this just to dissuade him and also like.. It's not exactly the same thing. What you're like like in the sense that like well I mean there's a physical dimension that's different right in the sense that like ah you know you like I mean yeah I mean there's ah, a volume area there on women that's being penetrated So So for a man like it's not like your body. Your.
  • [55:28] Keith: Okay, here we go go on.
  • [55:47] Mike: The way your pelvis is set up is not exactly the same like the contents of your pelvis are not exactly the same and so like your experience could be well be different could be better for the guy. It's just different but the real difference is that like there's a massive there really is a truly massive psychological difference ah being penetrated for a man versus a woman and so it's like.
  • [56:03] Keith: Okay, because this is really the only way the man can be penetrated by a woman.
  • [56:06] Mike: Saying to? yeah well, you could no, you could do the same thing you could you could? um I could imagine exactly the same conversation about like deep throating or blowjobs like hey you know take this dildo and swallow it let me um I'm going to let put the ah um, reservoir in here and you know.
  • [56:17] Keith: Yeah I mean I would I yeah was going to bring this up like women don't demand that she ran a dildo in a guy's mouth before she gives them a blowjob and so they could but they generally don't and I think the reason why is because they sort of want to give blowjobs.
  • [56:28] Mike: They could they could and I mean certainly ah, look at that like.
  • [56:37] Keith: And yeah I mean if you don't want to have anal sex like imposing some sort of penalty on your boyfriend before you'll let him do it seems Yeah, that's just not the right approach if you don't want to do it just just ask him to abandon the request.
  • [56:45] Mike: I don't think it's I don't think it's the right? The the issue I have is. It's not the right penalty right? It's like it's like because essentially you're taking something that's an activity that's pretty close to 1 You would normally do as a woman right.
  • [57:00] Keith: Okay, you don't think it's an eye for an eye. You think that okay I see.
  • [57:04] Mike: Exactly it's it's not that it's not that I think a woman shouldn't be allowed to suggest or encourage a man do this. It's not that this couldn't be an activity a man does or the woman. It's none of those things I just think that like you're taking something that's like kind of a level 3 activity for the woman and you're saying oh well, you do a level 7 activity as a man first and so it's like.
  • [57:22] Keith: Yeah, it was good to ask you to smiculate. Yeah.
  • [57:22] Mike: Feel like there's some other I'm trying to think on the fly here and it's hard. Yeah, what? what could? what could? what would be an appropriate thing for the woman. The problem is that like see she wants something that's kind of negative. Um, but yeah I don't know like something like is there some penetrative activity. The man can do with his penis. It's also sort of painful.
  • [57:31] Keith: Um, fried.
  • [57:40] Keith: Painful for the man.
  • [57:40] Mike: Or something like where it's like not yeah, exactly like that feels more like I I don't know like getting a blow where there's a lot of teeth used or something. There's something there. There's got to be some activity that has more resemblance here.
  • [57:50] Keith: Yeah, fine, but just generally like if you if you are okay if your discussed reflex or your desire for of ah a certain activity if you're discussed reflex can't get suppressed enough or if your desire for a given activity is not high enough like. You should just not do it I don't know if like figuring out to the exact proper penalty is I mean I guess Okay, okay, let me think about this. Let's say your boyfriend is like.
  • [58:18] Mike: Fair enough.
  • [58:25] Keith: He just wants to try innal once a year right? So It's not like he wants it to be a regular thing. It's just something he wants for a special treat and you don't really want to do it. But you know you'll let him just because you know he likes it so much all right? So in that context. Maybe it's okay to be like well yeah, sure I'll let you do it but like on my birthday. I Want to do X and and yeah I guess we can't think what what a equivalent X would be.
  • [58:47] Mike: Well I mean look but I mean like consider that like I mean the whole thing is like a little hard for me to understand like ah last week Alyssa First of all I'm given to understand that alyssa essentially encouraged you or pressured you to to penetrate her anus. So that's interesting. She also said and this was this was even.
  • [59:04] Keith: That's right? yes, but this situation just doesn't apply to her right? like she wouldn't be trying to like penalize me to give me the opportunity. She her discuss reflexes low enough or her desire is high enough for both right? She actually wanted to do it.
  • [59:07] Mike: So that could be like. I understand I understand but like i'm. Yeah, it's just that I feel like I don't understand the thing I was wanted to say is I don't understand the ins and outs so to speak of like the female experience of this I mean like I I when when Alyssa said that she.
  • [59:29] Keith: Yeah, you tried to ask her.
  • [59:33] Mike: Yeah, when she said that she will be masturbating and she'll just start you know, penetrating her anus with a dildo or something sometimes like that is genuinely hard from Okay, okay, fine, but like it happens I mean the whole like a whole like I mean I like I I generally.
  • [59:39] Keith: I Think she said a finger and I think she said it was uncommon but go on. Yeah.
  • [59:53] Mike: Have a fair, um, some amount of curiosity about like what I Just think that like the the truly solo female masturbation experience is pretty different than the male masturbation experience in a lot of cases and right I mean for for men. It's pretty straightforward for for women. It's sort of different and and what she described had a little more.
  • [01:00:01] Keith: Is that.
  • [01:00:09] Mike: There was some amount of resemblance to like the 40 year old Virgin where Steve Carll's character sets up all the candles and stuff was a little bit of that and like so she's like okay so get I'm luxuriating in this I know I know but it but no, no, but she but she was that was a joke made because she was describing it in a way that sort of sounded like that. Yes, and.
  • [01:00:15] Keith: Right? Well setting aside she made that that exact joke. But yeah.
  • [01:00:24] Keith: Yes, I get elaborate process.
  • [01:00:29] Mike: Along those lines. It's like I don't know I was like okay like so so here's why I want to say that is that like I think that like female masturbation has something with no male analog in the sense that like ah I'm not even sure what this is relevant to the topic here but in in the sense that like. I don't think I ever do that like there's never a time when I like so lie down I'm like I'm just going to explore my body for an hour like that literally never happens and I was like huh you know? and so and so like maybe the anal stuff is like somehow in relation to that. It's like it's like right? and so it's like the really noxious thing for a woman is not.
  • [01:00:50] Keith: Ah, same same.
  • [01:01:03] Mike: Is is that it's not in that context or something it's in the context of like the guy's just trying to jerk off in another orifice which he is which he is that he's using your body to jerk ah women who say oh I'm so upset because he he used my body to masturbate. It's like man that your yeah it is.
  • [01:01:16] Keith: I Mean that's what sex is yeah.
  • [01:01:21] Mike: It is. That's what's so great about it. That's what's great about being human.
  • [01:01:26] Keith: Okay, so we've been going for an hour I think that's a good place to wrap it up. You have anything else. You want to unload.
  • [01:01:30] Mike: Yes, now I'm I'm good. Yes.
  • [01:01:38] Keith: That's the verb for for ending the show. So so that'll do it for episode 51 if your mileage may vary, you can find us at ymm the pod. Ah at http://ymmvpod on Twitter or y m m v pod at http://gmail.com. Thank you to Mike and thanks to you our listeners. We hope you'll be back for our next episode.