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Episode 52: Stop Masturbating For A Year For $1 Million?, After-Climax Stimulation, NSFW 411: Milf, Gangbang, Hentai

Team YMMV | 2-3-2022 | 1:00:39

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We start with a continuation of last week's discussion of virtual reality porn, which has its pros and cons. Too many pro actresses is definitely one of the downsides.

How would you handle being offered a large sum of money not to have an orgasm for a year? (A year? Keith bristled at the notion of a week!) Does the reaction depend on gender, age, other factors? How much money would it take?

And, where should listeners go to find out about new genres of porn, like hentai, creampie, mmf, gangbang, etc? Turns out there's a place for that and much more. And, you can get help from others to find your specific kink.

Here is a link to the NSFW411 subreddit we reviewed on the episode:

https://ymmv.me/52/nsfw411

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/52/ticklish

https://ymmv.me/52/refrain

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  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with a delicious blend of candor and humor. We have a great show plan for you today with myriad exciting topics including penis tickling a $1000000 payment to stop masturbating for a year and more I am Keith.
  • [00:15] Mike: Wow.
  • [00:19] Keith: Surrounded by construction in my neighboring apartment so bear with us on that my cohost is Mike how are things up at your house on the hell mic.
  • [00:25] Mike: Well I mean I ah that I don't know that million bucks sounds pretty good right now doing well though. True.
  • [00:30] Keith: You you hardly need it so we'll get. We'll get started here shortly. But first some shameless begging if you have any feedback on the show or if you'd like to ask us a question. We can be reached at y m m v pod at http://gmail.com or at Ymmvpod on Twitter. Pay $10 to anyone who provides any feedback just let us know the easiest way to pay you at the end of your note all right? Let's begin. How's the virtual reality porn going mike.
  • [01:01] Mike: Well I mean ah so you you pretty quickly arrive at the end of what's available. So I think I mentioned I think I mentioned last week that ah I'm sharing an account like a paid account I didn't pay for it. But I'm sharing a paid account with a friend.
  • [01:16] Keith: Ah.
  • [01:19] Mike: And I mean I would be willing to pay I just happened to happen across this this account and the problem is it's very pro like the content's very pro. It's compelling. But it's very pro meaning like it's not very realistic which the realistic stuff is more my taste I you know I never understand like why people Like. Kind of the women behaving in ways that I don't think women really do behave and to some extent the men as well. The men I'll tell you interestingly and it makes me sound gay to say this although I'm not gay I think that the male behavior in Pro Porn Also bothers me just because the men are so silent which is.
  • [01:40] Keith: Yes.
  • [01:47] Keith: Ah.
  • [01:54] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah I mean it's performative. But yeah I think the producers and directors think that nobody wants to hear mail grunting. It feels faker.
  • [01:54] Mike: I Know like I'm not supposed to want to hear but it's just too much right? It's like.
  • [02:03] Mike: I don't but it's like there's some um, like right? Well especially ah in like say the 60 seconds leading up to the to the nut blast like it's just not because the thing is that I incarnate the guy right? I'm imagining I'm him and so it's like well.
  • [02:16] Keith: Yeah, yeah I know but I bet that's a slippery slope like I bet unless it's done exactly right? It'll be a pretty massive turnoff. So it's better to it's better to make it slightly less realistic than to you know, have to hear.
  • [02:19] Mike: If he's silent. It's like well how excited could he be? yeah I don't know Oh yeah.
  • [02:35] Keith: To be haunted by those grunts for you know the next the next few days I can we can We just briefly examine The library of Vr porn that's available. So I mean it doesn't surprise me that there's not that much being produced. But.
  • [02:38] Mike: It's true at a minimum. It's just a turn off. Yeah.
  • [02:52] Keith: Getting to the end of it is pretty oppress I've gotten to the I've gotten to the end of tinder and bumble Sometimes when I if I travel someplace exotic where there's not that many other people eventually you get this message like there are no other people in your area. It's it's It's pretty depressing but I don't think I've ever exhausted the content.
  • [02:53] Mike: Oh.
  • [03:01] Mike: Fifth.
  • [03:10] Keith: On a pord site before that's impressive.
  • [03:10] Mike: Yeah, okay so I didn't exhaust the the content in the site in particular is http://vrporn.com which is not an advertisement I actually don't know if I'd recommend the site. It's a negative advertisement I would just say I'm I sort of neutral actually like it's it's got a lot of stuff I just think it's excessively pro which is true for any of the sites. But like there's.
  • [03:15] Keith: You.
  • [03:24] Keith: Um, ah.
  • [03:30] Mike: Ah, real lack of amateur I mean there there is an amateur category but it's all this one I mean I want to be nice to the guy. But it's this one guy named tadpole or something who's really, he's he's obese. He's obese me yeah he knows he's obese and it's like I don't want to be the obese guy this getting the blow from the really attractive I'm not obese so I want to I want to be me I don't have to be.
  • [03:38] Keith: That's not a very sexy name tadpole.
  • [03:49] Mike: You know, totally unrealistic. But anyway that that's not my cup of tea either? Um, but I think that what I went meant by kind of making it to the end is I think I've seen what the site has to offer. Ah I think I have a representative sample I've not made it actually to the end 1 of the thing I wanted to say is that um I did. Start sort of looking around more and there are ah like chatterbat equivalents that are 3 d that are vr so basically cam girls who have these setups in their their little room and so far my experience with that has been not great in the sense that. It's not like some hot scene. You know, whatever. That's your cup of tea instead. It's just like you now can see the room. This woman is in in really good detail and like I like I went into one room and it was like I mean you just because you tend to look around I mean you know normally it's just a flat screen but now you can look around and you can just see like.
  • [04:35] Keith: I have.
  • [04:44] Mike: Squalor is not the right word but it's it's just sad. You're like oh like I don't I don't want to be in that room and ah like one woman I was in there and I started looking at her hands and it's like I don't know I don't know if she's been doing a lot of fisting but that just looked like her hands were so like sort of like.
  • [04:45] Keith: Right? right.
  • [05:02] Mike: Ah, braided and like red lines and stuff on like horizontal lines across her fingers like like she'd been fisting and just trying to jam her hands in like a mailbox a lot not cut just like it just looked like a lot of lot of effort on in on those hands. Ah, and so that yeah, that kind of stuff. Ah I don't know like I so I continue like with the with the.
  • [05:08] Keith: Ew aha.
  • [05:21] Mike: Cam girls as well I think that like there's clearly a ton of opportunity here because you can see her so well. But like I think they have to find the right way to make it not feel like you're just like wandering into like somebody's like poverty trap.
  • [05:24] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [05:30] Keith: Yeah, okay, okay, so you see this on Reddit you can do profile reviews on the various subreddit. So there's a tinder subreddit and there's a sugar lifestylee form subreddit and and people will ask for profile reviews and a lot of times.
  • [05:44] Mike: Um, mean.
  • [05:50] Keith: Women really don't seem to have good intuition about what kinds of pictures of themselves are most compelling. You'll see these like mirror selfies and you know you can see their room and yeah, if there's a bunch of clothes on the floor or you know if it looks like a college dorm room or whatever.
  • [06:00] Mike: Yeah.
  • [06:09] Keith: Yeah, does it exactly ah inspire sexy. It's sort of yeah I don't know it's depressing I think is the word you use. That's right.
  • [06:13] Mike: The um yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, but on the sugar lifestyle form reddit subreta which I do follow I'm a member a member of that because I'm curious about the the lifestyle as it were um, my impression is 2 things 1 is that like there is some.
  • [06:22] Keith: Element.
  • [06:33] Mike: Something's changing in the and sugar lifestyle form is all around the website seeking arrangement of course where the the wealthier among the the men ah target the younger among the woman women. Yeah, okay so seeking http://dotcom
  • [06:41] Keith: It's now it's now just seeking dot com by the way that they try to pretend that it's not a transactional based premise there. So for legal reasons they remove the arrangement Bart.
  • [06:52] Mike: Ah, seeking love for http://money.com but but yeah the ah but there is I know there's this sort of like it's it's becoming like kind of a fight on the on this sugar lifestyle form subreddit I think you frequent it as well. Where essentially there's. Because there is a set of these women. The reason I thought of this is there is a set of these women who of women on there who post profile reviews meaning come look at my profile and like you look at it and they're just frankly I don't want to be a dick here but I will ah they're they're not attractive women you look at it and you're just like look I mean you are youngish but like you're just not. Yeah I mean like a wealthy guy is probably not going to be interested in that and so then like people kind of there's some amount of friction around that because people do give that feedback at downloaded banned whatever and then flip side. There's all this. So. There's complaining about like oh you know the sugaring girls are getting less attractive and then on the flip side. It's like oh you know the. Sugar daddy men aren't the right age category. Maybe they don't like it because they're they're too young although that's but okay, yeah, they want somebody older maybe for for various reasons also but I think the main thing is like this complaint that like the the main complaint that women have then is like these guys who are like.
  • [07:55] Keith: Well yes Harry continue.
  • [08:03] Mike: They aren't actually they don't actually have the right amount of money right? like they want the I don't know what like the minimum net worth or income is to do this but I'm going to guess it's something like in the us maybe 2 three million bucks net worth or like say 2 3 hundred k of annual income with some good disposal like I think that's what they're looking for and there guys like on there who. Maybe or plumbers or whatever and although a plumber could make a lot but but but you know is this your impression too that like there's this kind of battle and it seems like it's getting worse.
  • [08:26] Keith: Um, yeah I mean that that that subrightdit is infinitely amusing to to follow because the zeitgeist of who's a quote unquote real sugar baby and who's a quote unquote real sugar Daddy is is interesting and you know people have different opinions about.
  • [08:41] Mike: Right.
  • [08:46] Keith: What is legitimate or not and you know you have people who are looking for something that's roughly akin to outright prostitution and then on both sides both with both women and men and then you have people who I think are just really looking for a rich boyfriend.
  • [08:56] Mike: Um, right.
  • [09:05] Keith: Although I'm not sure exactly but but just the the ceaseless handwringing and discussing of of what's What's a quote unquote real participant in that community is is entertaining to me anyway.
  • [09:18] Mike: Yeah, and I mean like the I mean historically of course the traditionally rather the it's you know it's it's a it's a way and I think we talked about this with Alissa a couple weeks ago like it's a way for ah I think it's actually really smart because basically a woman can. Essentially I mean there. It is an there is an element of prostitution. There's sex work on some level but like she can um she can sort of get money out of the arrangement but she can have it just be with a single guy so it's not it doesn't have any of the attend or far less of the attendant risks that you would have from actual sex worker more kind of robust sex work and for the guy it's similar right? I mean he can like. This one person that he develops rapport with and maybe like the people can actually sort of like each other and I get the impression from that sub that that happens like actually I know it does and and you send me sometimes links from there where it irritates you to the extent which which like these people view it as like a full-on relationship.
  • [10:05] Keith: Um, yeah I don't like the cognitive dissonance going on I did look I Hope it's cognitive dissonance and not actual ignorance. But these people. And acting as if they're in the greatest love Story ever Told is sort of irritating to me.
  • [10:23] Mike: I don't know it doesn't I think it irritates you more and I'm not sure exactly why than it does me because like I don't know a lot of like the children's fairy tales that I mean are all on on honestly like I'm not sure if these fairy tales will exist in like 50 years because like. The notion of like the woman needing rescuing or just even the notion that like of heteron normativeness but and nor whatever the word is there but the notion that like the standard pairing is like a strong man and a a woman who needs something from the man or whatever that whole thing is like becoming culturally unacceptable. Ah, but like. Like yeah, it does like the sugaring thing actually does fit into like a historical notion of of what people would call romance since it's like well I don't I mean they're just being yeah there's an explicit dimension to it here. But I mean yeah, I'm not totally sure why it bothers you so much actually like it seems culturally okay.
  • [11:09] Keith: I Think it bothers me I think it bothers me because these men are often quite wealthy, especially the ones that are sort of lording their various sugar relationships on the sugar Lifestyle Forum Subreddit and.
  • [11:17] Mike: Yeah.
  • [11:25] Mike: Specific.
  • [11:29] Keith: The sort of blindness to what's actually going on by them bothers me because I know they're wealthy and so I would expect them to be Maybe this? Okay, this is wrong but I would hope that they would have above average intelligence and it's just clear that it's just completely random the way that people earn wealth and that. I Think that's part of what's bothering me is that these people are idiots.
  • [11:49] Mike: I Don't think that ah I don't think that's exactly right I think like this is an area where they like have they're different kinds of intelligence and they just don't I don't know. Yeah, it's a question of whether they're you're saying they're believing their own Bs Basically right like they.
  • [12:02] Keith: Yeah, that's right.
  • [12:05] Mike: Yeah, and you're just like you're like at least at least have the presence of mind to realize that the 26 year old who is with the 61 year old man like probably doesn't like she would rather be with a guy that she could have a family with not like this old dude who's just yeah, you know it's like the sort of vampire story or whatever. Yeah.
  • [12:20] Keith: I mean it's confusing I mean a lot of these women do really seem to fall for their ah their partners their their arrangement mate. Ah we should ah maybe I'll maybe I'll look for some threads over the next week and we can. We can talk about it next episode. But.
  • [12:30] Mike: Yeah, they do. Sure.
  • [12:39] Keith: I had 1 other thing wanted to follow up on which is um so porn hub has a link for their top searches and maybe I've given you a hint by saying this is something I wanted to follow up on. But what do you think the number 1 Pornhub World Rank Search term is for.
  • [12:46] Mike: Ah.
  • [12:59] Keith: Heterosexual men.
  • [12:59] Mike: I Mean it's so hard to to predict for other people. But I'm goingnna guess I'll give you a couple guesses worldwide. Also it could be in another language or something but let's just say like English like more my experience I'm gonna go with ah I know this is gonna be wrong. People are so stupid or probably just be like sex but like but no, okay, no.
  • [13:09] Keith: Yeah, it's english.
  • [13:19] Mike: I guesses my guesses are going to be swallow blowjob cream pie anal those are my 4 guesses. okay okay I'm all right? Ah, ah.
  • [13:27] Keith: Let's see here. Anal is number eleven cream pie is 17 what else? What else did you say I don't remember swallow I think I think swallow is too multisyllabic for what what? What for the.
  • [13:38] Mike: You know, swallow ya? okay.
  • [13:45] Keith: Cohort here are the number 1 porn Hub World Rank Search term is step mom. So this means it's it's all right search to search search terms search term. It's ah it's ah it's a 2 word search and yeah, it's step mom now I don't.
  • [13:51] Mike: Is that 1 word or 2 doesn't matter doesn't matter. Oh my lord step mom. Not even stepdaughter.
  • [14:03] Keith: Know why? no fair point. Do you think that I mean what's going on there are these people fantasizing about their mothers.
  • [14:08] Mike: So it's a young boy. I think I think this is so I mean think back to before you had sex for the first time as a boy and I know but there's like some confusion there like I mean it's like it's like.
  • [14:21] Keith: Um, ah it's a long time ago.
  • [14:31] Mike: Would I I would never have searched for that. But that being said like I remember I had this fantasy when I was like in tenth grade or something of like you know riding my bike home from school I missed the bus or what I forget how I would get home but whatever and some woman in a house.
  • [14:46] Keith: And there's your mom.
  • [14:50] Mike: No, no, no, no yes, that's right naked Yes, like no, no, there was like ah some woman in a house that like sort of beckoned me in but not like but significantly older than me right? and then then then various things would take place I also had a fantasy about hypnotizing a girl in my class and under hypnosis telling her to blow me.
  • [15:00] Keith: Huh.
  • [15:09] Keith: I mean I think I think there's some consistency here. It's like you know, maybe you had some insecurities around sex and like having an older woman or like someone who's unconscious to to hypnosis I Yeah I think.
  • [15:09] Mike: So maybe maybe I just have problems.
  • [15:24] Keith: I can understand the sort of soup you're cooking up there like that that seems consistent to make sense but step mom like ah is this people just number 4 steps sister.
  • [15:27] Mike: Um, the older woman is just is you? Yeah yeah, so hang on the the reason for the I don't think I'm a way older woman I think I met like 30 year old or something. The reason there is just simply.
  • [15:38] Keith: Yeah, sure. But this way older when you're that age.
  • [15:43] Mike: Yeah, the reason there is simply that like I had some confusion I so I think a lot of maybe this is changing because maybe it's already changed because of various social media elements. But I had some confusion about like like you're a boy, you're 15 or whatever 14 and like you don't know which if any of the girls in your class are sexually active.
  • [15:59] Keith: Right.
  • [16:01] Mike: Now I later learned ah maybe by the time I was seventeen that it was a lot of them but I didn't know that when when I was 14 or 50 I wasn't you were bummed. Yeah I wasn't yeah.
  • [16:05] Keith: Yeah, now I was pumped when I find that out I thought it was very few I thought everyone was like me then they weren't I was pumped to find out that everyone else I mean I was not cool in high school Mike and so like not only was I not having sex but it's not like there were candidates coming along where I where I thought.
  • [16:21] Mike: Okay, well let me tell you a brief aside here I I remember distinctly a phone call I had with this girl that I was sort of beginning to date in my junior year of high school and we were you know so we were you know on the landline phone right? Ah and and um, ah.
  • [16:24] Keith: That might happen.
  • [16:35] Keith: Right? right? right.
  • [16:41] Mike: You know, yeah trying to turn the conversation a little bit flirtatious and she basically told me that she had blown this other guy and that was like the best thing I ever heard I was like this is fit like I literally hung up the phone after that conversation I'm like this is great so it didn't bum me out I was like I was like well I know what that means.
  • [16:50] Keith: Ah, right, right? It's ah it's like the right the green flag at the beginning of a race. It's ah it's available.
  • [17:00] Mike: Yes, Yes I was like so I was know when I found that out and then of course she told me various other information about other people and so forth and I was like well game on like I didn't know I didn't know now I just had to figure out which party to go to but would be that as it may like prior to that like yeah, so my fantasy was about an older woman just because I was certain. That the woman in the house that I was biking past would be sexually active and it was like it was that it wasn't like wanting like somebody to teach me or insecurity was it was I mean I'm sure I Haveve inseccurities about various things I don't think I've read insecurities about this might like maybe my attractiveness and like whether someone would want me but not whether I could like do sex but ah.
  • [17:22] Keith: Um, sure.
  • [17:38] Mike: I Just wanted somebody who actually did had was a person who had sex. That's what I wanted I didn't want to like hang around with a woman who didn't that was the thing I was going for. Yeah thus so I'm imagining Step Mom might be that right? It's like it's like well she's not related to me and I know she has sex.
  • [17:46] Keith: Okay.
  • [17:57] Mike: Although she's also having sex with my dad. Maybe she's someone else's stuff.
  • [17:57] Keith: Yeah I think what's going on is probably some disproportionate some disproportionate number of porn Hubs users are young and so they're going to hew toward looking for things with with older more mature people or something.
  • [18:06] Mike: Yes.
  • [18:15] Keith: And Step mom is not very inventive but it just happens to be the thing that has the plurality of the of the searching.
  • [18:21] Mike: I Mean what's what is the like I know that maybe you watch some of this content more than I do I don't watch hardly any of it. Although on the Vr side I been forced to a little bit forced, not forced but like it's this. There's so little content that this obliged there we go but um.
  • [18:35] Keith: Obliged obliged to.
  • [18:40] Mike: Like does that mean that for step mom porn like it actually favors actresses who are a bit older or are they actually just nineteen year olds
  • [18:44] Keith: Yeah I don't know I have seen the stepman trope And yeah, they're normally unrealistically not that much older than the than the ah than the than the guy.
  • [18:51] Mike: Um, okay on some level that on some level that suggests that it is like maybe mid teens boys doing these searches because like yeah, they might actually be grossed out if the woman was 35 or older right? I mean it's like. But if she's actually like 22 they're like oh good and then she's a step mom so you know she's sexed up. Um, and it's not necessarily your step mom right? It could be just a step mom. Although then why does it have to be a step mom. Anyway.
  • [19:11] Keith: Right. Yeah, right? I mean we talked last episode about how they're residuously careful to mention like oh I'm your step.? Whatever so that it's not truly incest. But yeah anyway, just all this is all.
  • [19:27] Mike: Um, yeah, it reminds that reminds me of a.
  • [19:35] Keith: Let me just let me just finish it. This is all just like ah a 3 episode arc where I'm sort of shocked by the amount of incest that there is or or incest esque things. There are in the porn community and I I think that they need to be a little bit more inventive.
  • [19:38] Mike: Yes.
  • [19:50] Mike: Yeah I wanted to mention something because this may be something you don't know but it made me think of this did you know that on Chatterbait there's a whole series of things. The women are not allowed to do I'll give you an example basically well so like I'm sure that and when I say not allowed to I mean they'll get banned off the site which is really odd because it's like.
  • [19:59] Keith: Um, like what.
  • [20:09] Mike: As soon as you hear about that. It's like well why doesn't somebody just go to like Ukraine and set up like or whatever country Sealand or whatever and set up but set up a website that allows the thing but anyway examples of things. They're not allowed to do I'm sure incest like any mention or yeah, it's like here I'm here with my brother like I'm sure you get banned. Ah. But more other things women cannot show period blood. You can't so yeah, you cannot insert anything and well I mean you don't you can't show anything that has the appearance of it either. So like you can't yeah you couldn't like have red dye that you throw around like it's you can't.
  • [20:31] Keith: What how do they audit that.
  • [20:47] Mike: Understand like it's the idea is to stop the appearance of it which I think it's like sort of misogynistic actually to not allow this like I don't really understand Yes, oh I don't know that but I mean why? Okay yeah I don't know if somebody cut their thumb and was like my thumb's bleeding like that's so hot I don't know what would be a problem there. But obviously it's.
  • [20:51] Keith: I Agree is it just is it specifically period blood or all blood.
  • [21:05] Keith: Um I think some people sorry I think some people are into blood play. In fact I heard about this sex party actually was it a sex dungeon in was it Germany or Amsterdam I was I was at a hostel.
  • [21:06] Mike: Been applied to this but let me give you? yeah.
  • [21:14] Mike: Jesus.
  • [21:20] Keith: And this person was telling me about this like sex dungeon. They went to the previous day and she said that there were some people performing doing blood play so they like figured out how to cut each each other in a way that yeah anyway, yeah, maybe this is a bit much so anyway, but I know that blood play is a thing.
  • [21:30] Mike: Jesus no I don't mind I don't know yes, my immediate thought there was why didn't you get the girl to take you to the dungeon mim you did and so.
  • [21:40] Keith: Ah, so.
  • [21:44] Keith: Yeah, well anyway, so there is that there is a story there but maybe I'll tell that another time. Ah yeah, sorry, go ahead.
  • [21:49] Mike: She to you like she took me this to she took me to her Dungeon's not that one kind of sex wrong sure. But okay, let me give you a couple other examples. You can't stick. You can't insert anything into the woman's body. That's not intended to be inserted into a woman's body right.
  • [22:08] Keith: Ah, what about vegetables so it has to be an actual dildo or seek because I can imagine what the blood thing is they're trying to get rid of blood play but period blood is sort of anti-feminist as you pointed out and then.
  • [22:08] Mike: Which I mean and and then I'll give you another example, that's right and you can't you'll get banned I didn't yeah correct.
  • [22:23] Mike: I agree.
  • [22:28] Keith: I Bet the thing with ah, no, ah, no foreign objects or no, no ah objects that that aren't made for going inside a person is yeah they probably had people trying to imitate those ah look I'm not I'm not. Trying to be racist here but those like classically tie sex shows where like they stick a bunch of ping Pong balls up their vagina. Ah they were probably having people doing shows like that on Chatter Eight and so they had to ban. It.
  • [22:56] Mike: Sure I mean I associate that with sort of it I Yeah I associate that with like any third world country not just a certain one. But yeah right I mean and and then obviously the other one that no no I don't I don't think.
  • [23:02] Keith: Okay, I'm my bad.
  • [23:07] Mike: Okay, a couple of statements on that I don't think it's the Ping-pong ball thing I think it's simply so the other thing that I know is not allowed is anything involving animals which is kind of more obvious. But um I think the banning ah and there are other other ones I Just these are just examples people can look up on like the terms of use apparently for like chatterbader these sites or just ask because there are various subreddits where.
  • [23:15] Keith: Yeah, that's good.
  • [23:26] Mike: Ah, cam girls discuss this stuff and like but I think it's basically just something like and look this. This is how you know it's like rule 34 or whatever you know there's a way for men to get this but like yeah I mean like ultimately this boils down to like hey I've got $20 here. Ah What insane thing can you jam in your vagina and like I think that is there is like an element of that that cam shows could devolve down into like okay you know, get go to your garage get the drill. You know? Yeah I mean just do things that are just totally unreasonable and so they're trying to avoid that. But that being said I mean all. As you know with these sorts of things. It just drives it Underground. It's not going to get rid of it. So Oh sorry, yeah, that's against the rules too. Of course Yeah, just shitting all over the place. Yeah, you can't do that Which is why yeah when you go to like and it might just be because they the cost benefit probably is like a capitalist thing like they're like oh more people will be driven away.
  • [24:04] Keith: Right? What about scat play is that allowed. Ah.
  • [24:18] Keith: Just this turns people away right? yeah.
  • [24:21] Mike: By this exactly. But like yeah I doubt there's a legal thing because ah the the streamers tend to be from other countries and I don't think the sites are typically hosted in the Us either because there's various liability concerns. But anyway just made me think of that.
  • [24:34] Keith: Yeah, okay, um, shall we do our subreddit review.
  • [24:41] Mike: Yeah, so instead of looking at a porn this week we have a subreddit that I discovered I mean it's not like I'm you know the guy who first went to the south pole or something I discovered for me I mean yeah, the subredd has 788000
  • [24:52] Keith: Hear the magellan of of subreddits of sex subreddits.
  • [25:01] Mike: Subscribers and so that's not yeah so most of our listeners may already have been there given given that the the nature of our audience. They probably send emails to be like this is so boring. We already been there. Okay, so anyway the subreddit is NSFW 4 1 1 we'll put a link to it in the show notes. So people can go and check it out.
  • [25:15] Keith: Ah, okay.
  • [25:18] Mike: And basically the idea of this subreddit is people can ask. They'll have like a certain fetish or a certain thing they're looking for maybe very specific and they can ask people and there's this incredible group of people who will either direct them to a subreddit or to a set of porns that meet that objective And. Of course like any subreddit you can do the top all time and see the top all time has this like ridiculous nonsense in it that all I could briefly comment on which is about like wall Street bankers. It's people ah because they thought it was really funny when they did their little gambling on Wall Street beds. Those people are all retarded by the way. Um, but ah, but both sides The. Wall Street bankers who got fucked and the people on Wall Street Butts and I hope they all have a little party when they lose their money but um, but they're more interesting ones here right? I mean so like ah you know girls showing off their underwear with their pants pulled down shirt pulled Up. Um. Yeah,, What's the best Amateur porn website now that Pornhub sucks that's interesting basically like the yeah, the complaint. Yes, the complaint about Porn hub. There actually was a comment here explaining what the issue was um I'd have to scroll down and find it but essentially they suggest something called Fuck f U http://q.com and I think.
  • [26:16] Keith: Oh that is a good one that that might be useful for you.
  • [26:33] Mike: I Don't remember the rationale for why Pornhub sucked but there was a reason and they're right. It does its quality as deep. Oh I Know what it is. It's because Pornhub switched over to requiring only verified people and so basically it chill it chills out like really more amateur content producers.
  • [26:43] Keith: Um, right.
  • [26:50] Mike: Content producers like hey look maybe all this stuff is like sex trafficking I don't know I assume it's not I assume best intentions and for the most part in the world. maybe maybe yeah maybe it's just something illegal. But um, you know so and then they're like there're weird ones like ah there was one I mean this doesn't this is not compelling but there was one where they wanted porns. The moaning sounds of the people were replaced by the sounds of the villagers in Minecraft. Ah, here's 1 porn vids. But the moans were replaced with the mario voice lines for the mario games. These are just jokes I don't know what the point of these are ah but but a lot of them are actually sort of compelling.
  • [27:13] Keith: Ah, okay.
  • [27:19] Keith: Yeah, but there's some yes there are I mean there's so there's other word for like is there a sub for Karen porn like what would that even be she comes out and yells at you for letting your dog poop on the sidewalk or something and then. The bang bus comes along like what what is that fetish.
  • [27:38] Mike: Here we go I'll read it. Let me read it to you not porn of girls that are named Karen but like middle aged white women that look like they want to speak to the manager I work on a job where I just want to see them get fucked every day I can understand that exactly. But.
  • [27:49] Keith: Ah, ah, okay, yeah, these he's been building up some resentment now he wants to hate fuck it all right I get it.
  • [27:56] Mike: But this sub is compelling because I think like you can do searches in it and find things you're interested in but also like these people just like have a very nice sense for where the other stuff is I mean basically I've noticed and maybe you have 2 that like these sort of man the male porn hunt has gotten harder. On Reddit like maybe some of the more go-to places of like have less and less being posted to them and so this kind of like is a nice clearinghouse for yeah, you know like okay well people are moving over here over there. Maybe people are just coming to this site and like they have certain things they click on. Um, and certainly like it gets constant constant activity right of people of new requests. So.
  • [28:34] Keith: Yeah I mean I think this is interesting because there are areas of sexual interest that I don't know about and scrolling through this sort of gives me some ideas I I have some questions about how long it takes to get a response right? because if you're horny I'm looking for something specific.
  • [28:41] Mike: Yes, exactly.
  • [28:53] Keith: And you have to wait 45 minutes that that doesn't really work I just sent you a link of sort of a funny one. This says request girls showing off their underwear with pants pulled down shirt pulled up guy says I made a drawing of what I'm trying to find did you click on the drawing.
  • [29:03] Mike: Yes. I Did I did a very nice like Ms paint style drawing. It's clear what he wants. Yeah.
  • [29:13] Keith: Yeah, it is yeah no I'm glad he clarified there. It's it's super clear anyway, Hu yeah, this is an interesting sub. So yeah, it's Nsf W 4 1 1
  • [29:23] Mike: Yeah now I think it's worth people checking out and I think it would increase I think for a average man. This could get you like a plus point three out of 10 on your orgasm intensity for a while.
  • [29:34] Keith: Yeah, I'm gonna have to do some forensics here later and yeah, find out what value I can get from it.
  • [29:40] Mike: Yeah, sub here's a good one like a subreddit I actually clicked away and it it like went down in the scroll list but it was essentially a subreddit with anal sex. But you could see her vagina during the anal sex like specifics like that like I and I appreciate you know guys like look you know like I just need this exact thing. It's like ah.
  • [29:51] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [29:59] Keith: Yeah, yeah, that is good but the person asking that question was likely at full chubb at that moment and I just wonder how long he had to wait and we can't see because but yeah sure, but we're sorting by top and so you know it says eleven months ago when of course the top comment was also eleven months ago we we need like.
  • [30:00] Mike: For you.
  • [30:05] Mike: Um, I'll hear you a God Bless him.
  • [30:15] Mike: Now I switched to hot I switched to hot so I have one I have ones that are posted like a day ago or or a few hours ago and like but it's true like the people posting this. It's like it's like the definition of real charity is planting a tree that whose shade you will never sit under and this is.
  • [30:18] Keith: We need better resolution. Oh kid.
  • [30:30] Keith: Phrase.
  • [30:33] Mike: You you have this fantasy you dicks out you just you have a heart on. You've got a bone or you've got to get off but you're like but I have this idea for a porn and so you just send it out into the world and hope maybe the next day you will sit under the shade of that porn or maybe not maybe you won't won't live to see the day but someone else will so I appreciate the people that post to this.
  • [30:41] Keith: Ah, yeah.
  • [30:50] Keith: Um, yeah I mean Reddit can be surprisingly fast I mean my mom is big into bird watching and shout out to my mom who hopefully never hears this and everyone so I'm starting to get into bird watchinging a little bit and you can take a picture of a bird and post it to Reddit.
  • [30:52] Mike: Do.
  • [31:04] Mike: What.
  • [31:09] Keith: And there's like bird watchingching subreddits and really within moments somebody will respond. It's It's pretty cool now I don't know what the response time is on this. But yeah I'm I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah I Just the yeah the timeliness I'm obsessed with right now. But.
  • [31:26] Mike: I Hear you.
  • [31:28] Keith: I can imagine thinking like ok like let's say I'm doing my normal cruise across the internet looking for something to jerk off to and I see like an angle I like but you know I've seen it now and I want to see more I can imagine coming to the subredd and posting. But if it takes even 7 minutes to get back a meaningfully good response I'm not sure how useful that is I mean it. Might be useful for the next time. But what do I do during those 7 minutes
  • [31:50] Mike: No I hear you it's all this is all about like you having to take advantage of the other people's hard work and maybe submitting something later but I mean like just while you were talking Keith I was scrolling down in the hot ones and request I honestly I want to hang up from the podcast right now and just watch this request request peeing.
  • [32:01] Keith: Yeah.
  • [32:09] Mike: During penetrative sex like I I don't know who's peeing I don't know but there's like five porns here and like it's I'm doing. It's like I'm putting in a lot of effort here to not just hang up and you know.
  • [32:10] Keith: How would you even how would you know.
  • [32:23] Keith: That's your jam is thinking that one or the other is peeing during penetrative sex that doesn't That's not ah, you're intellectually curious I see I say see? Yeah okay that.
  • [32:27] Mike: No, it's not my jam. It's that like they came up with something that I haven't that wasn't top of mind. Oh for sure like I definitely want to check it out.
  • [32:40] Keith: Does not pique my interest all right? So that's and us FW 4 1 1
  • [32:41] Mike: Even to see it wait even to see what it's hang on even just to check it out like you I'm not saying you got a beat off to it 12 you know a bunch of times but like just to see it. Yeah, okay.
  • [32:51] Keith: Ok, all right. This is happening all right? Let's say it's the guy ping. So he's fucking her and now suddenly there's like a bunch of liquid coming out of her vagina I mean that's not or or actually maybe would just fill I mean it's pretty cavernous in there.
  • [33:02] Mike: Well does does it come out directly exactly here we go. This is the thing like I want to know whether whether this first of all I assume they do it like in the showers I mean does he is he like a a cork and then he Uncorks and it's just like this which just grows I don't I don't This wouldn't be my jam at all but like. Yeah I don't know exactly what happens does it coming around him and then the other question is what about the girl can she pee like can she even pee like like I've wondered this before like when your cocks in there does it block up her your re threat like I know it's not but does it like go against it enough that it would be actually hard for her to pee and I don't know the answer to that I Also Well anyway I don't know the answer to that.
  • [33:35] Keith: No I think not I think not because swrting as we know okay as you and I seem to know but maybe people seem to be confused about is is p so it it I don't think does anyone argue that it doesn't come out of the urethra.
  • [33:41] Mike: Squirting Yeah, you're right is p ah.
  • [33:51] Mike: Nobody argues it but but hang on typically at least in the porns I see I don't like sportting porn because I know the woman is just sitting there like bearing down to pee. You can even look at her anus and it gets distended usually during this. But anyway, let's just like it only go ahead.
  • [34:03] Keith: Um, I know where you're going here. But you're going to say we'll go on. You're going to say it spurts out right? It doesn't come as a constant stream. Yeah, a squirting woman will say a squirting woman would say.
  • [34:09] Mike: We we're of one mind. Yeah and it spurts out when he withdraws his penis like I'm curious and like while he's in there.
  • [34:21] Keith: She's pulsating. It doesn't have to do with being obstructed by the penis.
  • [34:23] Mike: Hang on hang on I'm I'm like I'm like the glowing brain and the glowing brain meme like I'm way beyond that I don't care about what women claim about this. Yes, this is what I want to know I want to know if simply physically mechanically when the cock is inserted.
  • [34:29] Keith: But okay, 400 I q let's go.
  • [34:41] Mike: Does it prevent the urethra from like having anything come out of it such that only when you withdraw your penis can something come out of it I don't care like what she says is pulsing order I just want to know whether she could like in other words, let's say that you had a woman you were having sex with a woman and she had drunk a lot of Dr Pepper
  • [34:55] Keith: Um.
  • [34:57] Mike: And you're physically inside of her and you're having sex and you do not at any point withdraw fully your penis you keep it in there could she per pee around your cock. That's what I want to know.
  • [35:03] Keith: Yeah I think there's enough water pressure or urine pressure or it's just for the sake of argument ejaculate pressure that it can go around the yeah, it can go around the the blocking shaft.
  • [35:18] Mike: Okay, okay, yeah, I'm not sure you're probably right? but then so then there's some interest there I mean like does it just dribble down his nutsac like anyway. So like I'm just saying I would click on I would not beat off to it probably but you never know sometimes I have that zip moment like okay Zip. You never know you can never be sure.
  • [35:40] Keith: Reluctant ah masturbation. Yeah I maintain my position from 7 minutes ago which is this doesn't really peak my interest but maybe you can take a look and report back. Maybe maybe maybe you can bring us up poor next week. All right? um.
  • [35:48] Mike: Fine fair.
  • [35:56] Keith: So that's Nsf w 4 1 one I promised to talk about penis to penis tickling and this one million dollar payment so all right? Let's get to our let's get to our topics so um this is a little hard. This was a little hard for me to read and I don't know if it's going to be hard for people to hear but here we go.
  • [36:02] Mike: All right.
  • [36:16] Keith: Is the penis really Ticklish after ejaculating. Okay so whenever my boyfriend comes and I keep playing or teasing his dick he laughs so hard like full blown laughing because he says it tickles him is that normal l o l I've been with other guys but he's the first time who did that l lo l.
  • [36:31] Mike: Hello l.
  • [36:33] Keith: And yes I Still always do it because it's so fun to see him laughing hysterically lll. Well do you have a reaction So my immediate reaction to this was I think she's basically torturing him.
  • [36:36] Mike: L O l.
  • [36:45] Mike: Yeah I mean it's yeah, it's one of these things I mean you see this with you see I think you see this. Okay, there is like you know torture porn like people are into this like actually we get a we must have done an episode like sometime. I'd have to go back and look that in the transcript or in the title talks about post-orgasm torture because we actually like get a fair amount of search traffic to our podcast website at http://yminvpod.com ah via people searching for postorgasm torture like that's the thing now I don't think they're coming to hear Keith and mike talk about it. They're coming here.
  • [37:06] Keith: Um, move.
  • [37:12] Keith: Good plug.
  • [37:23] Keith: Right.
  • [37:23] Mike: To beat off to someone pretending it's happening or watching a video or something I know that I'm not stupid but like they but we do get a lot and that means people are searching for it now. Um, So yeah, that's a thing but setting that aside like the um I think you see this more often. Ah, with things that are done to women in porn like if you by chance in a blue Moon stumble across a porn in which a man gives a woman an orgasm. It's rare in porn. But if you see it ah like a lot of times the guy like continues to stimulate her afterward.
  • [37:55] Keith: Yeah.
  • [37:57] Mike: And it's a similar thing and it's like it's like people I think this happens both directions like and like it's hard now. Let's just talk about the man. It's hard for the man whether it's tickling or painful. Whatever it is. It's irritating the experience. It's hard for the person to in the moment ah kind of stop you because it's like it's deeply like. Youre you just nutted and like it's deeply kind of like you don't yeah, you don't have a whole lot of like force of will to do something who's difficult and then later say 20 minutes later it's hard to talk about right because it's sort of embarrassing and so no one ever talks about that. But in fact, this sort of post-orgasm stimulation either direction I don't think anyone wants it.
  • [38:27] Keith: Right.
  • [38:35] Mike: It's always bad and like people like oh it's so great. It's like actually like actually he's going to dump you girl because like you're you know like he's He's tired of this bullshit.
  • [38:41] Keith: This is reason number 215 Why I prefer PIV to oral because in a situation where I come in her mouth I think they feel like yeah, they almost need to. You know, suck harder or do something and with P I V I can just sort of control the stimulation to my penis but with oral or with a hand job I can't I'm like at the mercy of my partner and all right, go ahead.
  • [39:08] Mike: Now because it's a communication issue like first like here's the deal like here's the deal. This is this is and and if if if your girl is listening. Maybe this will this will make some good stuff happen here but couple things number 1 the girl giving the blow like is inherently even though some will say oh I feel powerful because I've got his penis in my mouth which is true. They could bite off your penis but that's not ah, generally it's sort of a submissive act. Okay, so that getting it bitten off is very rare and even having that emotion is pretty rare. Yeah, but ah, it's a submissive fairly submissive act and ah.
  • [39:28] Keith: Yeah, that that's rare. That's what I mean.
  • [39:41] Mike: they like they also their goal is to be sort of submissive and also to please you and so all you have to do is tell them and this is what's so great about it. Is you tell them clearly you could tell them during the act before after whatever during the act we need to be a little sexier when you tell them but like you know when I come. Just don't do anything just maybe rub the shaft a little with your hand and that's it or maybe you could do it masturbate yourself and that's great in two ways for the woman. First of all like she'll just do it because why not and second because i. She's not getting anything except this Lo L Lo L girl is like oh I you know I like being a jerk to my partner but typically a woman doesn't and the other thing that's great about it and makes it even more submissive for the woman is it's like yeah, you've just nutted her in a mouth and like now she's just just to sit there and swallow it so makes it really submissive for the woman. So I actually think that's why it's not even hard to say it to her because if she wants to give a blow. You're like amping up the things she gets out of it which is like the submissiveness or an element of the thing she gets out of it.
  • [40:30] Keith: Ok, so why do you think this man hasn't communicated to his girlfriend that he doesn't actually enjoy being quote unquote tickled after he nuts.
  • [40:39] Mike: Just because like like most be and you I saw you like occasionally I think you sent me like a Reddit thread you were on where you got downloaded like 50 times or something maybe maybe not that much but it was something like yeah, right, it was something where people disagree. But basically you you were saying something like.
  • [40:49] Keith: Which ah, which one.
  • [40:57] Mike: Were saying it in a little bit of a condescending tone which is why the people got got rough with you. But yeah, but but you were basically saying like look you know it's because people have a hard time like communicating about this and it's just that It's just a like yeah they they don't have that skill set and so it's like yeah, he's not right? So it's just that it's nothing I don't think it's like.
  • [40:58] Keith: That that doesn't sound like me.
  • [41:07] Keith: Oh right right? I remember that one.
  • [41:17] Mike: Yeah, like if you could just like and you know ladies are men like if you have an opinion like this that you want to share you could simply share your partner the appropriate episode of your mileage may vary. We could actually I never try to serve any societally useful function I never have at least yet maybe later but that would be.
  • [41:31] Keith: Yeah brother.
  • [41:35] Mike: Would be 1 right? they could they could listen to's like oh this this topic this reminds me of something and like yeah you could listen just listen to us like just do nothing and as a woman as a guy if you're giving oral to a woman. It's a little different because you want to be dominant so just sitting there while she comes and afterwards a little.
  • [41:49] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [41:51] Mike: Don't really like that that much it feels a little lame but as a woman I think just like on their on your knees with his nut running down your throat feel pretty good for a woman that's submissive right? Ah yeah, does not seem like what they would want. It's like yeah.
  • [42:02] Keith: Yeah I mean I think you're right that I mean the answer to this and the and the answer to my concern is just communicate more because yeah, this guy should just tell her because I'm sure he's not a joy I mean look I Guess it's possible that there's some men who and.
  • [42:18] Mike: Now.
  • [42:20] Keith: Seems super unlikely that there's men that like really want to be aggressively stimulated. Yeah, he's just laughing because it's awkward.
  • [42:26] Mike: There aren't women either that enjoy that. That's one of the reasons why like look like yesterday. Ah yeah.
  • [42:30] Keith: Yeah, but I mean it is true that women get sensitive after real orgasms and I mean one sort of nice thing though is that from P I V You actually don't stimulate their clip that much which is why P I V orgasms are sort of.
  • [42:46] Mike: Correct.
  • [42:49] Keith: I Mean they're possible but almost all fake. Ah, but yeah, like you can still having have sex in a way that men after orgasms just can't I mean they get a little bit flaccid but also they're just so sensitive that any kind of stimulation could be a bit much.
  • [43:05] Mike: That's right and and and yeah know all I was gonna all I was gonna add to that is that like ah in professionally produced porn. It's like 1 of the absolute standard things is a woman fakes an orgasm then within you just you could set a clock I know one else is no one else is gonna do this but I do this sort of thing within 20 or 30 seconds she usually it's her is back like rubbing her klit like crazy and it's like look's I don't I actually think it's 0 women just like 0 men really would find that even comfortable and so it's you know she hasn't add an orgasm just like if people want to I don't want to give away my whole playbook here. But like if you want to know when a woman has an out of orgasm that's a really good example.
  • [43:23] Keith: Right.
  • [43:30] Keith: Right.
  • [43:40] Keith: What do you think the shortest refractory period is not the right word here. What's the shortest period between which and a woman may have an orgasm and be ready for I mean I think you just sort of like reset reset the ah the stimulation thing to 0 right? So when you first start.
  • [43:40] Mike: Way to know like it just isn't That's not a thing.
  • [43:59] Keith: Hooking up with someone. You shouldn't just go in there and like rubber really quickly. But when are they ready for even mild stimulation. What's the shortest time there.
  • [44:07] Mike: I Mean when you say shortest like it's really loaded because it's like you know, then you're going to get the like yeah exactly So so I think like the shortest is probably a couple minutes but I think the shortest that like any woman listen to this like a normal more age just like be cut, not normal because like actually people who listen to this probably aren't normal but like.
  • [44:11] Keith: Well, there's a long tail here. It's a normal distribution. Yeah.
  • [44:27] Mike: Normal in the sense of like you know you're probably not at one of the ends of any bell curves in life just because it's unlikely statistically um with the exception of me and intelligence. But but ah, just anyway, but the ah but not not joking but the ah the um, the.
  • [44:40] Keith: He's not choking folks but but go ahead like.
  • [44:47] Mike: It's probably it's probably actually like five or ten minutes actually like like before that it's it won't be. It's like uncomfortable. It's it's probably here my base case would be. It's similar to men but I would think it's a little shorter for women because like men have more physical response going on with the erection and everything but still like I think it's.
  • [44:48] Keith: Yeah, that seems about right.
  • [45:05] Mike: It's probably a couple minutes of just flat out uncomfortable and then like but 10 minutes later you probably like okay this is fine but but you know yeah.
  • [45:10] Keith: Yeah, and of course it's not a cliff function right? it it I don't know if it's linear or you know if it's exponential or what but it's yeah that it depends all right.
  • [45:23] Mike: Yes.
  • [45:26] Keith: So that's the tickling guy. Let's see what else we have here. Okay, yeah, there's the ah okay, whole time. No, it doesn't no tickle is it. It's it's it's cringe or torture or there's There's some other word for that.
  • [45:30] Mike: It doesn't tickle. Also it doesn't tickle also but go I it's it It hurts.
  • [45:40] Mike: Yeah, like it's like having something stuck in your eyeball or something. It's like it but not painfully it just bothers you. You're like ah don't do that to me or like you know that that Covid swab they do which actually makes me sneeze which is ironic because then if I'm gonna I only ever stop swab myself. But I would imagine if some.
  • [45:47] Keith: Yeah, it's irritating.
  • [45:58] Mike: Technician had to do it to me I'm going to sneeze on them. Ah guaranteed I'll sneeze on them and so if I had Covid now they probably have it but ah, um, yeah, it's just irritating so.
  • [46:07] Keith: Um, right? Okay, would you refrain from masturbation or sex for three hundred and sixty five days for $1000000000 why or why? not.
  • [46:18] Mike: Ah, what? how about? ah you why't you answer first. Keith.
  • [46:23] Keith: Um, um, so there are a yeah I mean gosh. Yeah, let's let's make it tax free because that's that's yeah, it's either five hundred Thousand or a million so um
  • [46:26] Mike: He like I dont I can't refrain for 8 hours tax free. Okay right.
  • [46:43] Keith: Let's make it tax free I think I would try Yeah I would try I'm not sure if I could succeed. Yeah I mean we have different net worths. Um.
  • [46:49] Mike: Yeah I I wouldn't for 10000000 I would for 1000000 I wouldn't
  • [46:59] Keith: Maybe we should make this like a percentage of I see a percentage of net worth doesn't work either. But I mean you know and there's all sorts of like questions here like well what if you have a what dream. Ah.
  • [47:02] Mike: Yeah.
  • [47:10] Mike: Well that can't count. That's not fair. Yeah that that would be ridiculous, but it's just I mean it's just like you. You know you compute the number of like sexually active years you have left in your life and it's just like I don't know man like you'd have to it's it's like I mean.
  • [47:19] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [47:26] Mike: Yeah I mean like would you be willing to be put in prison for a year for a million bucks I think I think the right answer that has to be no, it's like it's like you know depends on your like.
  • [47:30] Keith: Um, it depends on the prison I Think what if I could just like read and meditate and use computers all day. Some prisons are like that.
  • [47:40] Mike: True. But I think like well I think you would regret that like later in life. You'd be like man that was a stupid year. But I yeah I mean yeah and then of course if you didn't do it. You'd be like ah of course and you could beat off in prison too. That's a bad example because of that but like you could say you know you might waste the.
  • [47:54] Keith: Um, can you it depends like what kind of cell you have.
  • [47:59] Mike: That's true. No I want I yeah I was yeah I don't know I was reading about the Menendez Brothers these are these guys who like killed their step parents something like that and in in the 90 s and ah, both of them got married while in prison and they're like yeah the women they couldn't have sex with the women.
  • [48:04] Keith: Ah.
  • [48:16] Mike: Got married to him anyway and I'm like God Damn like how are these guys getting married and like normal people can't or like well no and they have their life without patole parole. So they're not getting any and I mean.
  • [48:22] Keith: Well were that they weren't allowed conjugal visits.
  • [48:31] Keith: Um, what was in it for the women. The intellectually simulating letters.
  • [48:33] Mike: I don't know man that that is terrible I think so I think it's just like some sort of romantic fantasy and look this. This is just more evidence like the mountain of well look. It takes all kinds but like this is part of the mountain of evidence a mountain of evidence that Keith and Mike have assembled.
  • [48:41] Keith: Um, with a serial killer.
  • [48:51] Mike: Over our many episodes here that women don't care about sex. Yes.
  • [48:54] Keith: Yeah, marrying a serial Killer You will never see in your life does seem.
  • [48:59] Mike: Um, well they can see them in like some room with like a lawyer present or so whatever like but they can't have sex. They can't have physical intimacy in any real way. Yeah, it is a very strange but you know.
  • [49:07] Keith: M. All right? So a million dollars I would try I I think I could I'm thinking I really just don't know like I haven't tried not masturbating for more than a week in decades.
  • [49:20] Mike: You'd feel real bad if you made it like three hundred days
  • [49:30] Keith: And so I just don't I don't know what my experience would be not masturbating for two weeks let alone fifty two weeks and so.
  • [49:37] Mike: How hard how hard so if ah if it cost let's say it cost 1000000 for you to do this? Okay now switch your gender to woman and how much do you think it would cost a single woman a single woman who's not trying to have kids or like has some exterior motive like that like just a woman.
  • [49:45] Keith: Yeah I mean it's let's.
  • [49:55] Mike: Who's like I'm single I like being single but she could have like I think for a woman. It's like 5 grand. No, it's probably higher and I think it's I'm gonna get yelled at by Allie for that I think it's 50 grand.
  • [50:07] Keith: Ah, it depends on the the financial situation of the woman of course. Yeah I mean obviously the number is going to be lower for for the average woman. Maybe some people would contest that but I don't think that's relief.
  • [50:12] Mike: It's like it's like a dot. It's it's tree fitty.
  • [50:19] Mike: Way lower I think a million a million it would just be an instant yes from I think more than half of women even married women. They'd be like all right. It's worth it.
  • [50:24] Keith: Controversial to say.
  • [50:29] Keith: I it's going to be Mike it's gonna be I mean it I didn't send you this Reddit thread. But ah yeah I mean number 1 comment. Yes, a million bucks is million bucks I can not afterwards. Ah. This person says that's like two thousand seven hundred forty dollars a day if you simply told me that you give me two thousand seven hundred forty dollars for every day I refrained they would be easy to make it to the next day and the next and the next.
  • [50:53] Mike: That's different. Ah, that's a fair point and then when you did it that actually that person is smart. Give them an award. That's a good way of looking at it and and if if it were arranged that way instead of the big.
  • [51:03] Keith: M.
  • [51:07] Mike: A bag of money at the end of the year I think people it's Interesting. It's like a human psychology thing I think people would make it further like I think and like honestly yeah, it's true if somebody offered me three grand a day for no ejaculations. But as soon as I did it went away man I might that that's Interesting. It'd be really hard. To give that up each to each morning. They're like here's that money God Damn That's interesting.
  • [51:28] Keith: Yeah I I thought it was a a good hypothetical myself I I mean what an asshole you are on the day that you're like na i' just going to masturbate I could I could buy 50 bed nets and in.
  • [51:32] Mike: Um, now.
  • [51:38] Mike: Right? That's the problem and like even even if you're like exactly. That's what I was going to say even if you don't need the money. It's like damn why not just donate it all somewhere if you are so inclined you know a bed nets of course I would I would give it to pay for I would give it to the Catholic Church to pay for the.
  • [51:45] Keith: And Sudan but yeah, it's. Right.
  • [51:58] Mike: Um, the payouts for the pedophile priests of course because that's where I like to donate my money. We each have our own causes. Keith.
  • [51:58] Keith: Um, right? Yeah I don't think that's real high on the effective altruist list. Mike.
  • [52:08] Mike: Look somebody has to do it. These children were gravely injured and also it depends on whether you believe in the theology.
  • [52:18] Keith: I don't think I think a million dollars it's It's really hard to to talk about this without the context of knowing our our wealths but can you think of a way that we can like clarify that without being specific. Yeah like how can.
  • [52:31] Mike: Oh it doesn't make any difference. No, it doesn't make any difference. It doesn't make any difference. It doesn't make any difference because as soon as you switched it to a daily amount. It just activated me the same way. It would activate you because it's like look I like I don't run around.
  • [52:36] Keith: How how.
  • [52:46] Mike: Spending nobody I mean nobody Excepts some asshole that's struck flying around private Jets and even then like look a private jet costs ah like $5000 an hour and for really expand although I'm not sure what the current price is but that's safe few years ago. That's what it was when I looked online I don't have a private jet but ah. Um, so I mean like shit like that means like you know, just a few days like if you were so inclined you could you could? yeah and you're mounting up this this money you could have a really good time. Maybe you could like Maybe there's some drug that would be equivalent to ejaculating that you could use instead or something be interesting like you'd start. But anyway so I Just think that when you do the number when you do a daily number I think it was the issue was when you do a million for a year that like activates a different thing than that daily thing I think then I can I can see it and and and yeah this is I would put this in the category of I'm actually glad people haven't offered this to me because I might do it and my life would be worse. But I'm.
  • [53:43] Keith: The incremental money wouldn't be enough to justify the the suffering you endured from not masturbating, not orgasming.
  • [53:43] Mike: Yeah, it would work on me. Basically. No, no, it'd be a stupid decision but like but I just think that it would that I somewhat likely would yeah and the reason why it's not the individual orgasm. It's the thing you said of like ah you don't know what would happen to your personality after like three months of this and like I don't either and I suspect. It's bad. I think men I think it's bad for men.
  • [54:07] Keith: Yeah, you would try though right? you wouldn't just say no on the face.
  • [54:14] Mike: That's why I don't want this to be offered to me is's because it's yeah I mean there's like like yeah, there's a number of things that I've not a number there are things in my life that I've faced not at all like this but where there's like an offer that's made of some kind and it's like I'm like shit like.
  • [54:14] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [54:28] Mike: I can see that it's like bad for me even though like I would financially make money and it's like spaced out in time like look on some level. This is how salaries work. It's like you know how much money do people really need to live their lifestyle. Ah, you know how much like where when does the happiness curve sort of flatten out. But the thing is that money just comes.
  • [54:30] Keith: Yeah.
  • [54:46] Mike: This nice pace and you're like ha. But I don't want to you know and it's it activates your fear response of like well if I give up the money then what happens in six months if I need it and so like it's that that daily like dribble of the money I think would be hard to give up. Yeah.
  • [54:55] Keith: yeah yeah yeah I mean you wonder I mean could you go? let's say it was 30 grand like at what point you stop ever. You'd go the rest of your life without having an orgasm. Yeah.
  • [55:07] Mike: I wouldn't That's the problem is I I think I think it would ruin my life. Yeah man if you if you were a billionaire like this would be kind of a fun thing to do to someone of course how would you know if they cheated but you could do this to someone and like.
  • [55:19] Keith: Ah, mean if you if you have enough money to pay somebody $30000 a day not to masturbate or we should clarify that that the post said not masturbate, but it means not orgasm. Ah, if if you have enough to do that you can pay somebody thousand dollars a day to followul them around.
  • [55:29] Mike: Right. Correct correct and oh yeah, I mean that you be also being followed but you see the point like like I think you would like I mean but look.. There's so many easier ways to ruin people's Lives. You can just get them mo on crack or something so there's that but I think this would reliably oh for sure I'm just saying like that's.
  • [55:38] Keith: Yeah, fine.
  • [55:48] Keith: There's cheaper ways this is a due kind of cruel and unusual.
  • [55:54] Mike: My impression not knowing a ton about like this sort of Pimp Prostitute Economy is my my impression is that in many cases the way that actually works is that like you can call it a form of trafficking. Ah, but it's it's it's like kind of voluntary trafficking. It's sort of like joining the church of scientology like they'll let you leave like if you say hey I want to leave Now. That's fine, but they just make it So. There's these negative consequences like all your friends abandon you and stuff here same kind of thing like they get you hooked on a drug and like and you're not forced to stay with the pim but like you need that drug. And so then you wind up effectively. So my impression is that's kind of how that works like it's not.. It's not like the woman wakes up every day and it's like oh yeah, I Totally want to be here. It's still like she's been hooked on some yeah on some substance. Yeah yeah.
  • [56:33] Keith: Yeah now I I understand the like psychological wranglings here I Just yeah gosh I Wonder what amount would make me go the rest of my life without having an orgasm I don't know.
  • [56:48] Mike: Well I mean this is just going to boil down to like having your penis in balls removed right? or just penis.
  • [56:54] Keith: Yeah now I think it would be worse than that I think when you're castrated you have less sex drive.
  • [56:59] Mike: Okay, let's just say you're well but was it bad to have let's say you have yeah and I know there're people who say like they've had like other what is it paraplegic and then they manage have an orgasm by like something or other but like but.
  • [57:06] Keith: That's almost cheating is what I'm saying.
  • [57:14] Mike: Let's put it this way. Let's say that you'd had your cock and balls cut off blown off in an army accident. How much money would you pay to have them get them back person would say probably I give anything but it'd be a lot right? And okay so then you would basically say no even if I said ah.
  • [57:23] Keith: I Yeah I would say basically infinity. Yeah.
  • [57:31] Mike: This guy's willing to pay you a billion dollars to have your cock and balls removed you'd still say no.
  • [57:36] Keith: And that's not exactly the same question because I don't have a billion dollars to buy my cockback. So. It's slightly different there I mean honestly, you're an asshole if you don't take $1000000000 in basically any circumstance right? The amount of good you can do in the world. Is. It doesn't even have to be good. The amount of whatever you want to do in the world is enormous and ah yeah, yeah, we don't yeah, we don't need this won't be interesting our our economics discussion of elect of effective altruism well fine. Go ahead. Can you do it quickly.
  • [58:00] Mike: Yeah I completely disagree with that I know we've we've argued this before and not on the podcast now I'll say I'll say my argument and yeah, the problem with the problem with yeah the problem with that argument is you're like you misunderstands economics like the money is going to circulate Anyway. And so it's like you're just saying that you think you can allocate the money way better than like the next guy who would I mean it's like the money goes into a pit in the ground if you don't have the money some other people have it and then they're gonna allocate and they're not that bad at allocating it. So like you might actually be bad at it and so that that's basically the argument is like i't so saying you're gonna do good.. It's like maybe.
  • [58:31] Keith: Right? I guess I mean I guess I'm doing good from my perspective but you're right like my perspective could be objectively wrong.
  • [58:36] Mike: But maybe you'll do bad.
  • [58:42] Mike: And your perspective will be a lot better if you have a cock. So yeah.
  • [58:45] Keith: Yeah, yeah, all right I think you're right I am not like to castrate myself for $1000000000 so I'm glad we wrestled that into the crowds.
  • [58:58] Mike: I don't think I would either I think it's I think it's because it's sort of like ah you know I'll give you a billion dollars when I'm gonna shoot you in the head in a year's it's like okay but I'd rather have more life but you know I saw an interview with Warren Buffett I think a couple days ago where he's like look I have like ah, whatever $100000000000 but I would give away. Give you almost all of it. Maybe all of it to have like thirty more years right which is interesting so it's like the thing you have is the thing you want which by the way is part of what sugaring is about like those those 6 year old men what they want is youth. That's why vampires exist.
  • [59:19] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [59:29] Keith: Right? yep.
  • [59:34] Mike: Ah, well not for real but the in the imagination.
  • [59:36] Keith: All right I think we're done you have anything else. You want to add.
  • [59:39] Mike: Just tell people to tell a friend about our great podcast.
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  • [59:47] Mike: Especially if you have a friend who has been considering being castrated for money or keeps rubbing their partner's penis after Orgasm or clit. Yeah, you want to let them know exactly.
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