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Episode 53: Threesome With Ally: VR Porn For Women, Detecting Female Orgasm, Snowballs, Internal Masturbation

Team YMMV | 2-10-2022 | 1:00:29

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Ally, Keith and Mike discuss all manner of sexual topics. Prior to the recording, Ally had the full experience of Virtual Reality Porn, which was disconcerting for her, as it resulted in her having large quantities of semen deposited on and throughout her body by two virtual men who didn't appear to be heterosexual.

Later, Ally confided that she'd "enjoyed" the porn. "I like porn," she said. "I'm a pro-porn person."

Mike shared analytical techniques for detecting real and falsified female orgasms. We discussed the female reaction to a man who wants to be snowballed or, worse yet, to languidly clean his own semen off the stomach of an unsuspecting partner.

And, we clarify the advice for Ally when her partner orgasms before her. No, he doesn't want to be required to interact with his own semen, but he's fine with her masturbating and perhaps lending a helping hand. It's just that he's tired and really wants to take a nap!

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/53/something-new

https://ymmv.me/53/faking-it

https://ymmv.me/53/orgasm-need

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  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with a tantalizing blend of analysis and humor. We have a fun show planned for today including a discussion of an unfortunate response to a man consuming his own ejaculate. Oh my god and a conversation about females overperforming during sex. And Keith my co-host is Mike hi Mike Hello Keith we also have longtime occasional guest Allie back with us today. Welcome back Allie hello so in the interest of disclosure the 3 of us are sitting next to each other today. So this is ah this is the first episode of emv where we've been in the same physics. Right? That though, right? Yeah yeah, you got to be careful. Yeah, also we've had a couple drinks another first should make for a entertaining roundtable. But first the usual podcast early show notifications. We cherish feedback and questions for the show. So we invite you to reach out to us at http://ymmvpodat http://gmail.com or why or at Ymmvpod on Twitter we're still paying $10 for all feedback received just let us know how you'd like to be paid in your note also embarrassed as you may be to share our show with your friends. Consider how amazed they'll be by your incredible recommendation after they give us a shot. Don't be sex negative share rate and review. Yeah yv. Okay so I think we should start with vr porn since Allie just tried for the first time and I also tried since I think we've last checked in with our listeners so Allie what did you think. So none of us enjoyed this I enjoyed it. You is Mike by the nope well we all watched the same one which was a female po b porn where there are 2 russian twinks who get very close to your face kiss you which is very disturbing and what does twinks mean in this context. They look like they're gay. Yes I mean they shaped their chests. Yeah, they look gay they their facial hair was very meticulous. Okay, fine. Yeah continue I it they were just they were too close. Um. It was not arousing because they kept staring directly in your eyes with their dead eyes then they kind of loom in to kiss you with their eyes open I just found it when they when they leaned in with their lips sort of parted in a way like directly towards the camera lenses. It was not so I first of all I want to say that. I I thought you were talking more generally about vr porn because I have had some enjoyable experiences with it unfortunately. Ah the hardware has only been available to Keith and alley so far when other people have been watching me so I don't know they haven't had an opportunity to self-stimulate while watching it I have had the fortunate.
  • [02:44] Keith: Experience of being alone but I would say there was something about this porn. We watched that I did enjoy which I I genuinely. Ah don't have a problem with the part of the porn where the woman is sort of spreadeagled and the man is penetrating her I don't look at his face if I did it would be terrible. But I look at the it was point of copy. You looked at this baby? Yeah yeah, but I look at the point of copulation and that does turn me on. Um so there was a bit of it that I enjoyed ah the point of copulation bit and I and I do enjoy that typically from the female perspective as long as the following doesn't happen which happened. Shortly thereafter which is he pulled out. There were actually 2 men. There was one over my left shoulder and a man the man between my legs and they both ejaculated huge loads on my breast and I did not like it was an impressive amount of ejaculate like I mean it was yeah several tablespoons. I don't I mean Allie why do women let men do that ever. Yeah because they enjoy it. The women do or the men to men. Okay, so the women the woman you're indifferent or maybe a bit negative on the man ejaculating on your chest I would probably per. Fur that he ejaculate inside me but I think it's better than as you suggest before it's better than him ejaculating on his own chest. How would he get it. Okay, so getting it up to his own chest would be hard without some sort of yoga pose I don't know maybe he pulls out and then flops back and do you have sex with men that have unusually large sort of. Reach with their ejaculate or volume think so no, okay, okay Che because chests is pretty far. It is not if he's lying on his back that would be just that wait. Why do you prefer? Why do you prefer inside just because it's cleaner. Yeah, and I can feel it. Say more? Well you can feel it when it's no no I mean I can look I can feel the penis throbbing inside me as it ejaculates and I like some of that. But that's what I'm talking about. Can you feel that you can't feel the fluid coming out though I don't think so no, no so it just gets wetter maybe are there no bendings on like the vaginal walls. You think I don't know why I'm asking like this alley. Are there nerve endings on the vegetablein wall I can answer but you can't have you but you can't feel ah I mean in my case, it would be extreme amounts but you know normal amounts of liquid hitting the walls right now because the walls. Themselves are lubricated and that lubrication is pretty liquid like it's not you don't feel like ah do you think? let's say that you would I were making love she laughs immediately. Great good. Not a realistic scenario but but continue the hypothetical. Not an attractive man. But ah so.
  • [05:27] Keith: Let's let's say we're we were in the act of physical love and pleasing each other. Let's say that. Ah I said Allie um, you know I convinced you to come around your senses obviously from the extreme pleasure you were experiencing and I said Allie. Ah. I want you to tell me if you think I'm orgasming or just flexing my penis. Okay, do you think you could tell the difference now and you know let me see a background. Okay I dont I don't think so know with a woman's vagina. Yeah, if ah if I'm interacting with it. Yeah, ah and I produce an orgasm or I actually. Not or of of yours firsts of her so I is eraicated. Yeah I assist her in Produc an orgasm I believe I can tell the difference between her just contracting voluntarily and involuntarily because the involuntary contractions are too close together to be free something that would be easy to do ah consciously. Ah, do you think that? Ah I mean do you think that maybe the man's contractions also or actually Keith I mean do you have you? do you think you could stimululate you could try right now contracting your pc muscles at the rate and I've read by the way online that it's around this involves a crema muscle right? That's yeah that I was just thinking that. Ah I think it's about 2 times per second you have to do it. So the the no no, we were skiing today and I was telling you I was practicing executing my turns more quickly I don't think I don't think I could write so I I don't think I could be interact. Oh okay, so I think maybe when you're the frequency is a tell. I think so well yes with a woman and this is something that I look for sometimes in porn because of my ah, my penchant for amateur porn I do like to see the contractions at a certain frequency and I've definitely seen a woman purporting to have an orgasm where the contractions are like maybe 1.2 seconds I don't necessarily time it. I'm not gonna how do you know that you're even witnessing like yeah, what sort of things are you looking at on the video to know that a contraction is occurre so right? ah between her labia. There's this hole and yes f I've seen it so when she orgasms or she contracts it. It sort of closes the labia a little bit. And then reopens that you think you can consistently recognize that it's easier to see with the anus to be honest, do you think there's a difference between the contracting that squeezes outwards versus that kind of pulls inwards say more well like if I you know am thinking about squeezing my vaginal muscle or something like There's a type that I can do that is kind of like an outward pressure and a type that's an inward like kind of pulling versus pushing I think that the orgasm is the inward 1 right? I think so yeah, so when you orgasm it's not like you're trying to bear down right? You're bearing up right? Yeah, so can I tell the difference so from just watching can I tell whether it's okay I have a lot of ah.
  • [08:17] Keith: This is something that maybe an amateur someone who had wait hold on hold that fewer out can you pause for one second. Yeah, do you guys think is one easier to do it a higher frequency than the other jesus like can you do a bear out faster than you can do a bear. Yes I think you can do the bear out faster. But I think the bear out is the same. Do you think like the actresses. Who are like really good at this are are bearing out I don't think so for 2 reasons one is that usually their anus is visible and I think you could tell the difference and the second one is a lot of these actresses have some kind of prolapse of their anus and so like if they but bore outward bore bard bore outward. I think something there there'd be some physical manifestation of her of her kind of getting that anus really kind of inverted a little but I would see ah so like look and sometimes I have to say this like Allie was saying before we started recording that like oh you said something implying the or female orgasms in por are effectively all fake. I don't think that's true because of this timing and I have actually timed them before because I have nothing better to do. You're just going frame by frame. Yeah well you just timing you just get your stopwatch and you just you just say say you don't you know as one does you count them. You say I'm gonna count for but do 5 seconds and you say how many do you see? if you see like 10 or 12 5 seconds like yeah's pretty hard to do in. Ah voluntarily yeah, it's hard to simulate I do I do it so I do think I've you don't even think with training. For example, if you practice this that you'd be able to get what do you Think's enough at it I think if you practiced that it you probably could get I feel like you could get I feel like you can get stronger but not necessarily faster. So like the contractions could look more visual or more obvious but not necessarily I don't know you're saying that obviously I have very little intuition. You're saying the tempo of real is once a second or no, it's like twice twice a second. Yeah like point 4 to point 5 seconds okay do you do you have any self-consciousness about a man. Like men when we orgasm. It's very hard to hide it. There's this fluid that comes down so forth I feel like that is terrible. You find. It's terrible for us. That's interesting. So it's hard to hide. Also our erections can't right? Yeah, maybe being able to hide arousal. Okay so women can hide arousal and maybe even orgasm do you find it feel it find itself would you find it self-conscious. Would it make you self-conscious if a man was deeply aware of the things I've just described during the sex act so he knew what was going on with your vagina would that make you feel vulnerable. No you I think I would appreciate that. Yeah, that who's paying attention. Okay, okay, so he can say look I know you didn't orgas I think and I mean you could argue like if you're. It depends on how you feel about the person right? Like if if you're just trying to get on with it. You don't want him to be forensically and analyzing I were people to contraction frick yeah I want to just get on with it. Why am I even having some yeah over? Yeah, but I get this wrong.
  • [11:05] Keith: Right? Yeah I mean if it's just a one night stand that I you know I guess no halfway through it's only going to be a onenight stand. Yeah then I don't want him to focus on that. But if it's anyone who I halfway like I would appreciate that they're paying attention. They want to make sure that I'm fulfilled. It would just to be clear though. This wouldn't be I'm not describing like oh ah because I mean he could just ask you if you had an orgasm this is like fetishistic. This would be like somebody who right? I don't want to be with a stop watchtch like he's like he's like oh I know must be certain. Your third contraction was so strong because I licked your clit between the third and fourth contraction. This is this is this is the level of sex that's possible people right. That would be weird. Yeah I don't want him to be going down on me while looking at a stopwatch that I think okay but like a okay level of detail I mean like you might I mean you might notice sometimes the volume is ejaculate is different. Maybe yeah, the second ah by the way the boy I definitely do notice that and you're right I don't comment on it I just kind of. Log it internally you are noting. No yeah, it's yeah, not hard not to as a woman. Do you think everybody does like yeah, do you think Allie's just like particularly maybe we do are wait. Okay, do you think I can't really tell her but have your run I me let's talk about volume difference. Yeah, or you have that direct connection that this oral you can tell obviously becomes on you like inside it like hold on I think it would be easier to see if it was on your chest and versus if it was in your mouth. Oh I don't know I think so each pulse of his penis. You can tell kind of if that's a bigger pulse than the last one so you're there sort of like you are kind of measuring as a challenge. Okay, what if you only have 1 partner. Right? Like you what you can tell from pulse to pulse like from from from from squirt to squirt as it were yeah verse of of the same man but she doesn't know like relatively to other men whether it was a lot or a little I'm just saying like she just know for that person like it's okay, okay, okay, no and I don't importantly I don't mean from orgasm to orgasm I mean from spurt. In the same orgasm to spurt like she can be very scientific. You know it always decreases I don't know if yeah nu your expert as always. Yeah, the first spurt is with no hangar or maybe the second when he begins to come yeah, the first sort of ah contraction of his. Pc muscles penis nothing comes out right? O no I don't think that's like I don't think that's true for me. A scientist here. What is it? What is it I bet sometimestime. No, she's up where she's where she's go have the wrong answer or something cares. It's her experience. Her lived experience. Key. My lived. Yeah I but like but your money the something comes out but me too now I'm doubting it because I getting to doesn always I think the first what about yourself I can't pay attention I could I videoed it before and I've seen that it doesn't like an orgasm an orgasm builds and then.
  • [13:46] Keith: There might be like a pre contraction almost but then you have like 1 like like a strong contraction and that first strong contraction stuff. Yeah out I think it does I have definitely had orgasms where the first one nothing came out and this the second one it's almost like priming the pump. Yeah I mean it's got to move. It's got to move a certain distance was it very visccuous but something like well that's that's a level of detail I'm not at I'll take a note actually to look into that. Okay, so but describing trying to pump like molasses up for yeah, that's what right? Really thick crude oil. Yeah, across the man's oergasm. Like you take note of these things right? I mean you're down there. You've got this stuff being kind of pumped in your mouth and you're going. You know that was yeah, you'll you'll be able to tell. Yeah yeah, relative volume and also you know sometimes there are like 5 spurts sometimes there are 2 you know I still think but I think I still think if you had like visual confirmation that would be. Right? Like you know you had to say you had to estimate in cubic mil mill wait what is cc cc cc Cubic centimeters yeah I think you would be better at it if you had visual versus tactile in your mouth to ask 1 other question. Do you find so women I think often at the end of the blow. Ah this is a thing that a man who's not given a blow wouldn't know will sort of suck on the man's penis does something come out if you suck on it after he's finished ejaculating. Can you suck a little more out I don't think. Well I don't know. Okay I don't think she's our listeners dumb this either sorry I will not oh, you're not so full of this stuff that there's just no no um but no it's not like you can suck more out through suction. You know it's not like. You can last you in the but tea or something that you're trying yeah and you can sort of squeeze the base of his penis and like run your fingers down get like an extra no but weirdly I find that like after sex you know, like 20 seconds later something sometimes there is like just like a little more that. You know comes out and is on the tip I think you're sort of like like that tra cream zone or something sure am okay okay, what are you still there. This is a normal behavior in my experience. How long you wait I'm like next day like yeah, she likes it. Yeah but I would think like okay like 10 seconds have past. it's like okay I think like yeah they're like I think it's over yeah yeah you're lying down but like why I look over and I see that oh you see it stripping out. Yeah, and usually it's not even enough to form a drip that falls away sure sure sure's like a little there some non-zero amount of yeah but you wouldn't service tension even if you have you know, essentially like sucked it clean like you know something else kind of like.
  • [16:20] Keith: Bes out. Yeah, so so you would so so the sucking that happens sort of at the latterdder stages of ejaculation is more performative or just sort of like for fun. You're not actually getting any more out of straw as it were yeah but then you would sort of maybe pull your head away and then a little more is there that you'll finish. You know you're just trying to be sort of chivalrous. Ah, reverse chivalrous. You know here's this thing but you also find it kind of hot right? Yeah what's happening for the man like right? So like they they they have their contractions right? They their their rhythmic spasms that are an orgasm and then what is pushing out the remainder remainder of the. Ejaculate. Maybe it's just that like the blood flow is leaving like the blood is leaving and it's sort of like things are collapsing down and be yeah and also but I mean there Keith hang on you know this from masturbating like after you have not on the miracle time your paper towels on your table. You do notice that um like so you've finish noting you can so the thing I describe of like putting your fingers like. Squeezing the base of the penis and and sort of yeah, adding it up. You can get more out of your ureth throat that way. Yeah, and you're saying as the penis shrinks like your urethra contracts and whatever was at the tip of that. Yeah yeah, but you can definitely sort of squeeze more out so that's another thing you could do. It's like a little like moving from the ice cream comb analogy. Allli I would recommend like a goger. Yeah, or maybe ah like a toothpaste tube. And yeah, you can otter get that last piece of otter pump right? exactly and you can get is that enjoyable that feeling of being squeezed like a toothpaste tube to get the last no I don't think I feel like after like the primary contractions are done further. Interaction is look. It might be sort of. Interesting from a you know alpha submissive aspect. but but that is interesting it's so there is the post-nut clarity that I have a lot as our listeners know that ah makes me sort of revolted by intimacy. However I do appreciate ah at all times in my life. A person. Ah. Doing a good job. It's like yeah I mean if you're going to say like look I'm going to extract the last semen and I'm going to eat it like I'm going to yeah, all seem conscientiousness. Yeah right I'm Goingnna as the people on Redit would say drain drain your balls and eat it. Yeah I appreciate that? Okay, okay, let's move on. So I have a couple things that ah we have this spreadsheet of things to talk about on the on the on the show and one of our areas of it is things to ask women when we have the opportunity. It's a great call and so one of something that came up with um. And we never really got a chance to litigate this fully. She said something about how when she's having anal sex. She can feel There's some sort of cliteral simulation. She may not have had anal sex. No. We just heard that know that you.
  • [19:08] Keith: Oh me I have I didn't enjoy it but go on. Okay, well that's not necessarily relevant to this but but could you I mean Mike you were you were there for the ill elisa conversation. It was she said that there was some sort of like clitoral stimulation through the anus. You remember that conversation. Yeah, it was well. it's it's I think it's totally spot. Stimulation. Alley's a very conscientious list. The g spot is on the other side of the clit yeah of the clit. Yeah right? Okay, the same structure. You're just stimulating it from the other side that's right? Okay now. Okay, yeah. Wait you? yeah, let let me mansplain to you? How want you if a j spot what seen that diagram about how the clitters isn't just you know the little piece it has these like lobes that are internal. Yeah little flat a larger structure if she if she's saying you know? Yes I can feel it pushing against that larger internal structure. Yes. Like if she's saying I don't have we watching that I just really enjoy you describing your clit to me. Yeah, we didn't we we did not fully. We did not fully get the anatomical clarification from Melissa which is unfortunate have a medical I but a description of klitz by women fetish. There's just no way that it's reaching and. External It's like the dick inside your butt is not reaching the feeling of like it's filling up her innards yeah more and therefore like causing so you need you need something in both holes. She I think she did mention that I don't remember exactly. Both ah whole. So maybe the thing and the whole would you? Well maybe she has finger or maybe one has fingers in there too maybe fingers are in the vagina and then the penis is coming and like putting pressure on the fingers which is then hitting the the g spot the back of the clip can you like. While your dick is in an anus. Can you reach around and get your fingers sure in the va fact I've had the experience of having look I'm a newbie to yeah, she's eyes so like I am not I've had the experience of ah I think the details escape me a little bit but I think my penis was in her anus because I'm not a huge fan of fingering anuses. So my thing. And I definitely remember being able to have my penis and the the anus rectum really and put my fingers in the vagina and actually feel the delicate structures of my penis and the um, the ah the texture of my penis through that thin wall there and I really so like I actually thought to myself. Oh. I could masturbate myself through the okay so this implies that the hypothesis that given a long enough ah protrusion you could get through well I thick enough I think is the right word. Yeah, you need to be you need to have the anus full the vagina full and then this is all going to sort of serve fresh again.
  • [21:44] Keith: To push up against the underside of her clit which is going to give her the proverbial anal or what is the distance alley from the anus. So the the anal opening yeah to your g spot. What you said you mean like well I mean I guess like if the anus is here. It is threedi dimensional but there's yeah, there's a line from the anus to the the center of the juice the anus not the rectum like you're saying like literally like the little the little the rose that brown star goldfish. yes yes to the cheese I mean yes, who. Like a hard answer like I mean you're yeah, you're going through like yeah, there's there's several membranes. Yeah, like no I mean I know maybe yeah, maybe it's like there to there so she's ah holding up her hand and that's maybe like five inches so I might be able to do that Keith you might have trouble. I got it on 5 okay, let's make let's say it was 6 or 7 I have more of a shot I don't know about that because I mean I my I'm not a woman but my understanding of the g spot is. It's sort of a region not like a specific. It is because there's there's a there's a central yeah close to the ah opening of the vagina right? Oh I don't I don't think it is close to the opening I mean it's it's within a finger's length of the opening but I don't think it's like right at the tip I think it's toward the the top of the if you imagine like sticking your whole middle finger I don't think that's right vagina I think it's like. I think you're wrong I think it's like I think it's like two inches in I mean also like the end. Okay, all hold on hold on hold out hold up all right? Let me let me let me referee this a little bit. Okay, how far from the top of the vaginal cavity the top the va opening is it to the clip wait. What do you mean top like the survey clip. The cervix are the opening like. Well there's ah, there's a vaginal hall. Yeah c floor and that leads to the cervix at at the you know at the end. No no, no nothing you and and you're going in. You're going. Yeah, he means he means the vulva he means like the surface where the entrance the vestibule if you were of that's actual technical term. Ah, thanks Mikeke I study ily prepare you really bring but the science to the show. Thank you so the ah that point there where we're right on the outer yeah outskirts the suburbs of the vagina from there to the clit and I mean can you know the answer to this. It's like a couple in Yeah yeah, like there's the eurera there which I think it's not that far. 2 1 Yeah, it could be yeah one or change. Yeah, okay and Thelin's not also like just a dot and now why now I know at the bottom of the c clifft I get what are you going? What? What's the point of this interrogation here though, you're trying to figure that's a good question. Ah like it's I don't think I think you're thinking about Oneke I'm just trying to figure out like relative distances here like how could a woman.
  • [24:32] Keith: My general concern here is how could a woman enjoy it and also so the anus. The rectal cavity is parallel to the vaginas. Yes, yeah, you jam something I know but you can you can angulate you can angle it champ you place something in the anus. Yeah, did we decide jam was the verb for pieces. Ah, let's. Problem. We'll have to go back and raise yeah, okay, so ah so when you place something or insert it or gently probe the anus with an object. The key thing that's going on is simply that whatever is in the vagina is going is has less space and so it's going to be tighter against the and Carrie the top. Yeah closer the clip part. Of the vagina and so you're just going to get ah more friction there like I don't think distances make sense because you have basically 2 cylinders on top of each other more I mean like I understand what you're saying yeah and so I think that's so how could it work simply that it's tighter and I mean I'm telling you like to feel your cock through that wall. You should try a key That's great. And you can you could? ah you could like lick your finger and get in there and kind of rub around okay mocking me aside no not I understand you should yeah you got this? Okay, you do have these 2 parallel cavities. Yeah, okay and then the penis comes in this one. But I feel like you can adjust your penis angle. That's not real. Don't do that? Yeah yeah, that's not what's wanted now how am I so much better at this in you maybe you've had more enal sex than me I don't know. Yeah, probably you've only had a 1 my sample size is low. Yeah yeah. This is not by the way the thing I wanted to ask Alyssa or that like comes out of that for me what I wanted I forgot to ask her was whether she had ever pegged a man and liked it. Oh that's that that wait did you know what? our next question. Our next discussion. No because in the well here we are is I was trying to get you pegged because I don't think you you don't want to be pegged right? no. But I think I think I could say there's a set of words I could say that would force you to get paid if I could if I could think of those words for a listen. She's listening Yeahlyssa hagging Keith would be a lot of fun. No oh my lord in the high supply is gonna she's she's not easily test liable ive tried. Not gaslighting or she's probably done it before she probably knows how great it is all right? go on. Okay, we'll get one of those double ended dildas where yeah she's technically kind of fucking herself as she's bang then you be like 2 dogs. You know how dogs like sometimes when they copulate like they try to yeah separate and they face the other direction you too could do that you could have her butt bun banging as your. Big up bad or maybe of both your anuses. these are not the right words i't think these are the words yeah you start talking Colloquiates. My street vibe comes back when I know I I just think your butt banging against her butt is not kind of make either of them want to you like that is that your fetish. No.
  • [27:18] Keith: Yeah, we have it. Well anyway, all right? So I've never pegged anyone so the next question was you would and this is good. But yeah, this is the question. Ah Allie yeah would you enjoy pegging a man there we go why? or why? not she would. This is I I don't know so I I don't have any desire to do it with my current partner. But if. If I was with a guy who really wanted me to do it to him I would do I believe what is the first downside you see free emasculating it sorry that was oh um. So I'm imagining doing it with one of those double-ended dildo so that at least there's like so this is you have a harness you have a hearty so I think that fucking him the downside of that to me is that nothing then is stimulating me, you know nothing stimulates you in a blowjob. Oh no, but I have like you know, nerve ending in my lips and tongue and stuff. But I you have nerveending anxiety. If you kiss for on I don't I get yeah you you could be in a missionary position so he could be caressing your your bountiful beautiful breasts and kissing you so he's like he's in reversed argument. No, you would have him like in missionary position. You would have his legs up a bit because obviously you're going for the anus. Yeah, he's got his penis there and his balls you but you could slap them around a little if you want and there's all the all know's happening and so there want to be some stimulation for you. You're you're you're looking into his eyes. He's very attractive and you're you're fucking him out up the ass. That's not that's not good. Why is that so funny. What the visual is very funny. I mean the jutaposition here is like so much taller than me his like his legs would be so long. Yeah I mean you're you're dominating a man right? like like a man has this fantasy a lot right? like just being over the woman dominating her like this. Oh I think you were saying that you had the fantasy that I was of of the bountiful breast. Over you while woman's pegging you no I don't have any fantasies that you are involved in okay about is as a rough proximation I don't imagine that I would want to peg someone who is like on their back and I'm on top I would want him to be kind of like in dogie style. Why why is that better? yeah. I think it would be easier for me. First of all second of all I think this was visual would be more natural like imagining him kind of like you know up like a little bug or to lay out back. Yeah that's weird how you are I know and I think it's weird like i. But you feel uncomfortable in that position. No I don't feel like that. Well but I uncomfortable I don't imagine that it's attractive to him like I understand it. It is okay but I mean it wouldn't be to me to be so man and that same as message when you're receiving in the missionary position. Do you think sometimes that you are like a bug. Yeah, kind of do you? yeah.
  • [29:53] Keith: Like made is way back and it's just like oh I'm just like you know So you're like crumpling me yesterday. You're not thinking like this is so hot. This guy's fucking me like this is great I'm I'm um, I'm letting him have his way you're thinking I look like a bug Sometimes yeah, this is kind of weird seeming. Yeah I think I think like oh I'm like I'm folded up all weird like you know I was hoping you would think yeah, that's the the guy's not thinking that that's the good. The things I said except yes, okay, okay I mean I enjoy being in the like on all fours Position. No like dogs. Yeah, um, that may look just as weird but to me that feels. I Sir you like the balls slapping against you like it it doesn a normal it feels like and yeah, it's like a normal position to be in versus like on your back with your legs all like folded back I don't think any women. Ah, that's an unusual okay take probably I mean iring I'm sometimes on all floors like. Yeah, but I mean mostly in the floor or something I'm on all fours like it's a natural position to be in like for a woman that you're like like for like look and I roll I do 2 things in life I Clean the floors by the way people like has an excellent like career outside. She's yeah, she's like a feminist icon like was not. Outside of sex I am never that folded up on my back with my legs. All you know, like back but like outside of sex. Okay,, there's There's some sort of like an awkwardness to yeah yeah, okay, okay, but you stretched out doesn't have to know I mean for when you have sex with your partner like you could also just sort of spread your legs but like have your. You don't have to be folded up right? You know that right, you could have them sort of down and like kind of you know that you normally but nice I Sometimes start that way but he seems to like hearing the legs complaining about your partner again. No Let's move on. Ok So um. Right? So That was the Pegan topic. So yes, seems sounds like you're sort of ambivalent about it. Yeah yeah, I'd be willing to try but it's not something that I'm pushing. He was up sad this part. Do you want to? you don't want to interact with your partner's anus I Assume really no I Assume I guess that he would clean it out I don't like shave it. Like make it kind of like what did you call the guys from the the R porn you saw they were twinks. So then your boyfriend or you sorry your partner would be a a T twink which I guess if he shaved all of his body hair and like do you think there's a chance. Yeah that if you did that? Yeah I think there's a chance that if you did that with a man. Or your partner that you would then have trouble sexualizing them in the future because it's like emasculating in some way because we hear this from? yeah.
  • [32:32] Keith: Not sure, not not I don't think I would feel that way with my current partner I can imagine a previous partner where I think that would make me kind of like change the way that I viewed him I don't think it would really emasculate I think prettyasculating? yeah. I mean you could get 1 of those dildos that where you can squeeze the balls of the dildo and put semen into his anus that's pretty just shes like is that is that a thing it is a thing. Yeah, it is a thing. Yeah guys like that I mean it could be sort of like ah it could be a cream filling we chocolate I don't think guys like that Mike. Why does it exist then these things are can exist. Okay, okay women don't guys like that implies but like some sort of plurality or majority that there there are some we but a lot of weird emails. Yeah know and you know Http://epod.ehitgmail.com so all right? So I promise some topics. With with the lead and so we were discussing who's going to read these. Do you want to read this one or do you want me to read it ellie now you read that? Okay, and and you'll do that. That's the one that has really bad grammar. Yeah, you read that? Yeah I'm gonna I'm going to do what I can with the grammar here so to get the the gist of the top notice I don't get to read one. No, you do not. So ah, this person says my wife destroyed me emotionally after I tried something new. My wife and I are married for five years now we communicate a lot about sex. That's good and good for them. I was clear I like come play stuff. Oh no, she is not into it so things like come kiss oh come on snow is not on the table at all. I wish we would. It's my dream. It's his dream ah dream this is ah comparison I was clear I like complex stuff. Oh no I remember that sorry I however, thanks like however cream pie cleanup was kind of hot. We discussed no I would like to try this several times and she was always okay with this. Previously after the orgasm I was losing a desire and never did it I post thatla. He wanted to do the creamlight cream pi clean up sounding when you're fucking you know I like it's not sounding at any point I think if I was really really horny any snowballing sounds. Disgust's right right? But cream pie cleanup. Let's do it we we we. Why is it disgusting you already have the nut in your mouth is it because you don't want to hold in your mouth too long. No this is I think that she was speaking nuts into your mouth and then you like kiss him and transfer the nut into his mouth and there's just like saliva mixed with not fitting into someone else's mouth. But you you would swallow it anyway. I know so it's all right? It's very different to have somebody fit something into your mouth. But you're not swallow doing something guys. We got Listenre we're we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna cover all of this okay because they're all they're all apropo of this topic but we got it. We got it through it all all right? all right? So he says previously after orgasm I was losing a desire never did it. So so that.
  • [35:18] Keith: It in that sentence is cream pie cleanup yesterday night we had sex and I have came on I have l on a bill. Yeah I think they it was my side I'm not sure if it was riots is it his Billy is it his belly he is a belly its heart. It was my time to fucking Dr. For the first time. All doubts aside and I go down on her and start cleaning my come from her belly and pussy and what I hear in a moment instead of some sexy dirty talk she say I'm so disgusted in you I would puke right now that's probably the last thing you want to hear after sex. Especially when you take a step. And prayness you think it's stepefan brave you I think we get the idea ili yeah wait all that there's just what says soon? Okay I'm completely down don't know how to come back to some healthy discussion again. He means down he's like upset. Yeah, it's rather it's rather confession but I would appreciate some cheering. Yeah so. Rude of her to say like well how would you feel? let's say that? Yeah I mean let's let's get you her experience here. Yeah, what would you have? What was your reaction be first of all, let's let's forget about like the apparently him like making yeah all all your repeatedly. Yeah let's see it's this a serious question like let's say that you had the. Somewhat normal experience at least for Keith of the guy either removing the condom or not having a condom I think removing the condom is more typical for you Keith I don't know what're just picking about well you're gonna nut on her stomach. Yeah sure right? So you're you're trying to avoid any pregnancy risk here with a relatively new partner and then right after he nuts you would expect some sort of. Cleanup situation. He just right down in there licking it up. What would you do or think yes, that's not they can't be Mike Toco head go ahead, not attractive I probably wouldn't. I mean I think what she said sounds rude I wouldn't say I'm so disgusted and you like you would you would be similar say like no no doubt do that you know I'm like kind of like push his head away or something what if i' like this is my fetish then you would dump him you would I don't think I dump him just for that. But it would I I mean. It is kind of gross I'm just saying what you said was rude. Could you face 20 years of that a guys noddtting on your stomach or demanding snowballs after you the snowball I think is just disgusting and I'm surprised you don't think it's disgusting is you have though he has bit that trust thing like wait. We don't like you don't even like swapping spit. This is swapping spit. Plus come right? I want to just be clear about this? Yeah, she said spit that is. It's the opposite of oh okay, yes I don't want anybody's I don't want anybody's bodily fluids in my mouth. Yeah, typically unless I have a unless I'm very horny. Ah, but you're the giver in the snowball situation and honestly let's say that. Ah.
  • [37:54] Keith: A woman had some vaginal fluids at 1 of my mouth I wouldn't care if I just spit them in her mouth like that wouldn't matter to me I'd say all right. It's not masculate honey to come is a little bit viscous I feel like you don't want to hold in your mouth for I'll say more. This guy was pretty eager though I think you would you would show up. This guy. My I don't enjoy holding a viscous substance in my mouth. Okay, you don't sort of like because for example, I wrote a description for a recent Paul and the timing is the issue here. I want to know about so the issue is passing his own come back to him and yeah that watching him to watching him gleefully gulp it down like that that that's the right? Yes, that's not the like having to hold it in your mouth there but horse. So I I imagine them both being bad. But yeah I think comes discussing I'm watching my month horse. You're a man but I want to know? Yeah I think watching a guy. Lick up his own come from whatever scenario. Even if he has from your mouth and him from so dumb and he's sucking it out of his own dick I think it would be gross to see in any scenario. Yes, so but I I would like to understand this no because I think this is very important for our listeners. But yeah, you know the thing is it is important. They're just waiting the true as they are we have Tara what what is your preferred way to have the swallow happen for you after the if you accept look, you're gonna blow away I mean ideally like he's far enough in my mouth that he just comes and it slides down my throat and I don't even have to swallow slides down your throat. Let's. Say more about that can or not oh come on hot like if the cock is deep enough and he comes like you're not even like wallow. Yeah, you don't even have to like feel it on your tongue if you feel it sliding down your throat you feel like yeah this is these are my nerve endndings in the you saw is we were speaking about nerve endings and other places earlier. I don't know I'm this one'm curious you could feel it. Yeah, go down your throat but like sort of like if you add too much peanut butter and it's like a little stuffed up and so no, it's not like peanut butter. It's like like you know like you take a big gulp of water and you like feel it going down throat or something okay and you don't have to actually. Swallow it just goes down. Yeah and feel it go down there. What are your thoughts in your head as that's happening. Yeah victory for the forces of de now. Um, um, yeah, you not negative though we want like. You're not I like that he has come I like that he has come inside me, you've done it? Yeah yeah, you've you yeah you you caused I mean I'm not like oh this is delicious ah and make it happen faster.
  • [40:20] Keith: Oh you're just saying like do I want to get it out of my neighboring are you savoring the sensations. Oh no fightinging slithering down your no oesophagus. No. Yeah, you would need saliva or something to like get something to push this but help you into your stomach. So it's part of the issue here that if you were going to snowball and you would have to make because a lot of stuff. A lot of cream paul a lot of cream pipe porn like there's a lot of porn around because men want for some reason to see the semen probably there's an element of just wanting to know that there was an actual ejaculation that happened the porn because yeah, although notwithstanding our previous discussion that I'm not sure the man can fake the point four second every point four second. And contractions. Not many people have the stopwatch and and the acuity and the acumen that I have to to take that. Ah, but so they want to see the semen. So. There's very commonly both with piivcream pie as well as they'll call it like oral cream pie just a blowjob to completion they will. Just have the tip in the mouth or even masturbate onto her tongue is part of the cream pie issue here that you don't want that you don't want like do you like it when your partner masturbates under your tongue versus the normal or I'll say this is a man blow jump I like masturbating under women's tongues I do I like doing that. Yeah versus. Versus well how does that compare to reaching orgasm. Well they're about the same I just saying that I like mastribating on a woman's tongue I sure I like that one is more 1 is more sorry Allie one is more you're causing it and 1 is more her causing. Yeah, it's about fifty fifty okay so want to hold it on my tongue or in my mouth for too long I think like the holding it makes me more aware of like the viscous texture which is not what I like I see youll do the same thing as like you know holding like tapioca in your mouth for a long time like after you hold something in your mouth for a while you kind of don't want to swallow it. It kind of like how you like gag reflex or something like. Ah, sure. There's you don't want to you don't want no point where I want to swallow semen. Well then we know that Keith that it mean beginning middle end. No yeah I mean sometimes when men take really strong stances like that. It's because the were opposite. It's true I I mean I had a sexual partner once who like 1 of his fetishes was that he would like. You know, ejaculate into like ah a shot glass or something or like somehow like save has come and then have me drink a lot of it and like I would not enjoy that did you do it? No not even not once no what about I don't think he actually wanted to do it. He just likes talking about it. He liked talking about it. Yeah, how did that come up. Like over. He's probably like over text so he say he's grobbing he he wasn't really just talking about it extemporaneously like he wanted her to do it. But I mean I always just floating it by I don't think that he actually had like you know a measuring cup of his cup that he was saving in his freezer. He did well maybe he didn't he can produce one. You know.
  • [43:03] Keith: Pretty true but I think he did I think he did he was like that was the thing he's like fuck not I now what I'm going to do with is come and I was going to microwave it and let alie drink it and so you you're not good like she doesn't want to that made her viscerally not like but you wouldn't even be for ah the man ejaculating the shot glass. Having you drink it right? Afterward. You just be like no put it in the toilet now. Yeah I want it to go directly into my mouth I don't want there to be kind of like intermediary because it oxiizes and starts tasting your like it kind of cools down. Yeah wait I have a question is it that or is it that you actually find it kind of like a turn on to feel him orgasm into your mouth. So both I enjoy the feeling of the cock pulsing in my mouth but also like if you leave come out for any amount of time like it kind of clumps up it like the texture changes that if it actual is yeah hum actually clumps up and then turns back into more of a liquid state and then in Keith's case for example it just becomes a crust on a honestlying but sleeping bag this. Um, but I really appreciate and I want to thank you I really appreciate. Ah, your enjoyment of the man actually ejaculating it into your mouth because men do like that. Okay, you guys, you're welcome. Yeah real humanitarian at allity. Okay, so ah, yeah, my guess I read this actually neither of you guys have read this. Do you want me to read this one. Do you want to go. I can read this I mean it's it's a man talking. But I you can do it is any of are any of them written from a woman talking I don't I just out of time. Yes, my girlfriend constantly fakes it during sex and I'm completely broken kind of self-explanatory my girlfriend fakes absolutely everything when we have sex and it's slowly been shipping at me the final kicker was this morning when she just. Went on her phone for at least 3 minutes in the middle of sex so she was on top of me as if nothing was going on. She was so into her phone. She didn't even notice that I was crying under a pillow until she was off of it. I was crying. Yeah, then when she saw how hurt I was she was just mad and said she was a bad person and walked out of the room. This isn't the first time I have never been so absolutely humiliated in my life. She fakes orgasms she fakes interest in sex and clearly does it just because I want to she fakes pleasure. And what my biggest problem with all of it is she doesn't even let me try can't use toys as often as I'd like to though sometimes she lets me and absolutely no going down on her guess I suck at that too. Only p I v which she clearly doesn't enjoy it just doesn't make sense I love her with all my heart and I know she loves me. She's my best friend. And I just don't know what to do right now because I realize we have absolutely everything except sexual compatibibility does this guy have like a humiliation fetish I mean he's so yeah, so sad realize we have absolutely everything except so I do keep I think there's a couple other things missing. But sometimes this might go over my head and cry.
  • [45:39] Keith: Yeah I mean I I really get the feelings out. Yeah what's not the feelings. It's just like I am positive I have never cried during sex I've never cried during sex. You haven't I'm just like I'm just inspecting. Yeah no I have not yeah, why would you like what like what? yeah I mean look. She went on her phone for do have you wait with Keith have you had a woman cry while having sex with you or yeah, but it's but from pleasure that's not true. It was some sort of emotional release right? Allie emotion like of I have not during that about right? after no about and 30 minutes before we're after. After all. Well maybe maybe she watched maybe maybe she watched the first ten minutes of up. Yeah I mean maybe within 30 minutes after yeah, so unrelated to the sex. Yeah yeah, but I think most men have had experience with a woman who has some sort of emotional release or it's like well I don't know some emotional release. Around sex it cause that's how much's happening with this man. This man is weeping because this girlfriend clearly hates I mean yeah like I've never touched my phone during sex at all like that sounds just you had awful sometimes even you don't ever sometimes want to watch like porn during the sex. No have you read a man watch porn while you're giving him a blow. No. What would you do because and I this is relevant because I have a friend who did this recently with a vr headset. He watched a vr porn some mutual friend. It is is a friend of the podcast. Yeah is somebody watch a a vr porn he was it was a lesbian scene yeah and during that his partner gave him oral sex would that bother you? Yeah, if you were the partner. You would not want him to not be present nationally or mentally why? Why do you care? want him to be focused on me like but you're down there I mean it's real. He can just close his eyes and focus on this. What is sa wait would it bother you to find out. And this is true that when you're giving men oral sex. They're not focused on you or they at least focusing on like the sensation or are they imagining a completely different scenario or person. What's about 50 yeah, this is that you're not gonna like the answer. Yeah I mean look sometimes and this is true again sometimes in order to. Reach orgasm with a partner a man has to imagine something that is not related to that partner. It's common have you never considered that not always I mean certainly I've I've considered it like if I'm okay with it if it is not someone that they know personally oh my lord like if they're we're back into the what exsturbating. Well right? Yeah I mean if you're um, if you're imagining like Angelina Joli or you're imagining like a porn star or something you' imagining like a scenario that's fine. You're imagining like you know my coworker Becky or something like that's not fine. What can you tell me more about Becky. No I'm kidding so she's I'm taught yeah getting your daughter so what.
  • [48:29] Keith: Um, buttical. Why? So what? you just said implies to me that you should be okay with somebody watching on a vr headset a fully immersive experience with people. He does not know at all while you pleasure him and okay, that's that's true. But I mean the vr headset seems like too much of a you know too far removed. Like I wouldn't want him to set up like a binder or something so he can't see me. It just seems like an insulting like barrier that you're imposing upon it I mean Keith would argue that that the man's already insulting you on some level by letting you put his penis in your mouth sure I mean there's some element of like submissiveness there I feel like so I would argue that. Yeah I know you would so let's say the let's say that this increased on a scale of like 1 to 10? Let's see his orgasm intensity went from a 7 to an eight so he had a really strong orgasm because of this. Why would you deprive your man. No, that's of this intent and you are providing the orgasm and also no, you get his semen. Sliding down your throat in this wonderful display of because it would take the enjoyment for me from you know, like a 7 to a 0 or something like your enjoyment from giving an oral sex is a 7 well but it's time like an orgasmic level of enjoyment. He's gonna focus on the 7 um that all, yeah, absolutely yeah, no, it's It's that it goes from you being the agent that delivered this orgasm did she was less thick as in her mouth less though, but he but don't you want him to have that higher orgasm and to ah we will get around. Honestly with my female partner I would want her to have a stronger orgasm because I know that like she's not even based on me when I'm giving her pleasure that way. Okay, even if it's completely externalized from you look, you wouldn't be a little bit offended or hurt not if it weren't. Ah, not if look if it was every single time I would be it would be little strange I'd be like well maybe there's something that's not me that she' like let's say would you want this bag over your head please right? right? But I think it's the same thing as that. Yeah like but you why would you deprive him of this sweet extra 1 point of orgasm it might make well because like I said dad be. The decrease in my enjoyment is greater than the increase in his enjoyment. Yeah that I don't but but then you can have an orgasm later we're talking orgasm here. We're not talking like sort of ok I yeah you you know this is some kind of like prisoners dilemma scenario where like if we both cooperate we could both have an orgasm right? then a would. That's true. But I'm thinking that like I think that I think women as true union I think women undervalue how important ah maximizing a man's orgasm intensity is this is we have this conversation before when Keith was out of town with regard to your partner I think you've got to get that you got.
  • [51:05] Keith: Figure it out if it needs if you use a finger up the butt if it needs to be pegged. You've got to get that and if you get that level high. You're gonna have a great relation hold on you don't think that there is some long-term risk if they increasingly dissociate orgasms from being with you. I see no risk what did possibly go wrong I just looked mostly I just described things that I think would be awesome and I tried other brain. Well it sounds like you have a friend who has this awesome situation. So. There's some problems with this situation. Yeah, so there's always pluses and minuses. Oh man this this this topics a little longer than I remember. But I think this will be good because like I think a female's opinion is useful here. Okay, this person says I do not need to orgasm during sex intercourse and orgasming are two separate things for me. But I feel alone in this. I not one of these women who can orgasm through sheer penetration I need clutoral stimulation. Okay, you're you're normal. She's like all women. Yeah yeah, but in order to orgasm I need extreme focus I can't think about anything other than reaching the climax even a slight sound can distract me and cause me to have to start over. Don't get me wrong I love orgasms. But I do not consider quote unquote good sex as sex that brings me to climax I would much prefer being pounded into oblivion for an hour straight until I'm exhausted and can't take any more straight. Yeah especially if he's hitting just the right spot and changing up angles obviously isn't hitting the right spot. Ah sort of and my boyfriend is so amazing at this. Love that feeling way more than climaxing sometimes I'll ask to be eaten out prior to intercourse or I'll just take care of myself after or even before if I want to be super wet during the main act that said my satisfaction after sex has nothing to do with whether I come or not I love the feeling. But if I'm having sex. It's not necessarily because I want to orgasm or but. 2 wo-th thirds of the way through here I know my body very well at this point and I know exactly what makes me orgasm. It's just not what drives me to fuck nor does it satisfy me more than penetration. But it's so weird I've yet to meet another woman who prefers penetration to clitoral stimulation but who cannot climax and penetration alone. All too often I hear if he's not making you orgasm every time. It's not good sex and to me that is so not true. 5 os at all. Even if I don't want to orgasm every time I have sex is there. Anyone else feels the same way I feel alone on this one? Okay, well, it's not going to be Allie she wants to have like three ress a day I brought this up. Because this consonant discussion about like yeah like what? what is the right amount of orgasming that women should be having for everyone I understand what she's saying like I I basically agree with what she's saying that both.
  • [53:48] Keith: You can enjoy and orgasming are enjoyable and they don't have to be you know congruous. Okay, you understand that is not the case for men. yeah yeah I mean doesn't know there was a lot of like it's it's lightly the case. Actually it is actually Mike hold on I understand it's on the case man would you and yeah I mean it's it's like. Ah, yeah, like would a man ever masturbate not to completion and the answer is no I I was telling I mean unless they couldn't for some reason they're exhausted. They're true I guess the the hesitation was like how do gay guys like as we were saying when gay guys have sex like 1 of them comes in 1 doesn, right? No they both do I think they left you I think what? I what. We've discussed this on the show before but you do not want to be the this you want to be the first one and wait all so is the bottom jerking him you want me to second while he's I guess yeah, yeah, you want to be the second one. Well I mean there' I mean I've only seen this in porn. Ah Keith would know more about real life case. But all right max but you would not I'm joking but um, ah yeah, I mean there are various things that can happen I mean the anal and then giving the reach around. Yeah, but really I think the analogous situations you'd ask a guy who bottoms like do you enjoy? you know, being fucked up the ass and also do you enjoy coming and like. Understand that these 2 things might not happen at exactly the same time and I think that they'd probably say yes and that's the same for well I mean a gay man is not may have different sort of hormonal qualities than a hetero man as well. So I mean but for a hetero man like very frustrating to not have an orgasm if you yeah that makes sense because like you're. You know for you to fucking and orgasming happens at the same time in the same place once arousal has initiated not orgasming is super annoying if the arousal gets to a certain point. Sure yeah that's right, yeah, that's annoying for women. Do yeah say well this person is saying it's not at all this person is saying that well this person is saying specific. This. You agree that this person disagrees with you. She's saying she doesn't care at all none. Oh well, she's okay so I care seems to be young. Would you go into the bathroom and masturbate afterward if the guy was really tired and went to sleep. Would you be like I just got to get off. No. So what? I've done is sometimes like the guy you know goes in the bathroom and goes off somewhere and like I can then. You know, stay in bed and finish off or like you don't feel like time pressure because like maybe he's gonna pee and then he's gonna yeah there is no, there is time pressure and then or sometimes like he falls asleep and then I can just like do it quietly and not wake him up. You want to hide that you're doing that from him. Yeah, why it feels a little like selfish or something. And also because you guys told me that it's not attractive to the guy after he went. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so here. So here's what's important about that. Yeah and this is important herself mike mostly told you that but well right and I I trust him explicitly and believe everything he says so I do agree that? ah.
  • [56:31] Keith: Get it right here being being obligated to pleasure pleasure to cause an orgasm for my partner after I have orgasmed is a little bit of a drag. However, it's kind of like I I like giving my partner orgasms. Yeah yeah, but but generally I would prefer her to orgasm before me. Ah, right. Oh a. But but I'll finish this but there is men men. There's no butt freak. Keith yeah, yeah, hold on. Yeah man yeah I may or may not condone my but yeah oh you will ah men like it when women masturbate. Oh yeah, a lot even if you have just yeah because then there's no pressure. The difference is. If the man has to reach up into your in. Ah your inner sanctum that he's recently ah re yeah painted with his yeah semen. Yeah, and then finger you right through his semen. Yeah that's not going to be his favorite activity for us meant except the snowball man who I can't comment on right. He would. Just be greedily. Yeah terrific. Ill yeah but down chin you wouldn't like that either? Yeah but but if but if youre if you then take it upon yourself to masturbate and maybe you would like him to gently fondle kiss and lick your nipple or some such where he does not have to interact with this. Seamen and yeah, very little pressure. He would like to watch you and men really men always always ah ah enjoy watching women orgasm and actually men and men will sort of imagine. Let's say you are in a public setting. There might be a man watching you and imagining you orgasming? yeah. Okay, oh is Apropo to nothing. Yeah, he just like well of course men are imagining that yeah though they'll imagine your orgasm face how you would be while orgasm because men treasure that mental image the video and so you masturbating. I don't think that and and and you know there's my understanding for you from you what you had said previously was that after you, um, you don't want to have any association with sex. You don't want to think about sex or sea sex at all. Well that be like masturating I you sex but orgasms are good and like I think I wouldn't go that far. It's the ah direct. Requiring the stimulation and also I was given to believe that the type of stimulation require for orgasm from a man requires a great deal of finger dexterity and ah time commitment it does require on the order of I would say like 5 to 7 minutes what depends sort of where you are at the beginning look. He doesn't want. Yeah, he wants you to masturbate and then he would be happy to stay in your chest area because that's there's no seeming. Yeah okay I mean I would greatly enjoy that as well. I think that would be great I suggest that? yeah so I'm sorry if okay, well you need to report back to us again now. Okay, yeah, Mike thank you for clarifying? yeah's still championing.
  • [59:12] Keith: Championing what he thinks was great advice for you and he thinks he is well you disagree. Ah I'm not sure if it's good said absolutely it has to be she or and there is a book. You know there's a book called she comes first. It's it's the touchdown dancing about improving her relationship that I'm not sure is is completely proportional to. Always completely proportional. Look a few few women mike has my relationship like the best interests in his heart. But I just like to think about women masturbating an orgasm I think he's trying to increase orgasm yeah satisfaction generally across no I'm not across the world. No I'm just trying to make myself horny like let's be honest, like there's one. Yeah, all right? Well we had through 3 topics today normally when I get through 2 I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap this so ah, all right? So that's a wrap on episode 53 if your mileage be veryary thanks to Mike and alley for their insights and thank you for joining us. You can find us. At y mmvpod on Twitter or what or yeah y mmv pod at Http://gmail.com and we'll catch you next time.