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Episode 56: Edging During Netflix Time, Premature Completion, Facials, Vibrator Competition

Team YMMV | 3-3-2022 | 1:00:02

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Which would you rather do while watching a movie with your female partner? Edge her manually for 45 minutes and then give her oral for 5 minutes, or not edge her at all but then the oral sex takes 20 minutes? And, do people need to be edged during movie watching at all?

What does it mean when your husband seems never to be interested in sex, but then when you have sex he ejaculates prematurely? Does it mean he's not interested in sex at all? If so, how is he getting off so fast?

And, what's the real deal with facials? Are there any women in the world who like them just because they enjoy semen sprayed on their face? Like, would any women consent to having a squirt gun loaded with semen and shot at their faces? Or are they doing it because men seem to like it and it's submissive?

Our video segment this week is really one you don't want to miss. A vibrator of unusual size (and a likely fake orgasm to go along with it!).

To follow along with the videos discussed at the beginning of the episode:

https://ymmv.me/56/xxl-scimitar

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/56/not-lasting

https://ymmv.me/56/facials

https://ymmv.me/56/vibrator

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with unusual candor humor and Ted Pan delivery we have an entertaining show plan for today with conversations about a husband coming too quickly. The prevalence of facials as a finale in porn and a boyfriend's jealousy of his girlfriend's vibrator. And Keith my co-host is mike you ready to go mike okay so I'll get things started in a moment here but first a gentle reminder to write and review the show and tell you and to tell your friends about us and to send us feedback the more negative the feedback the better since that's the most actionable.
  • [00:19] Mike: So definitely ready to go.
  • [00:35] Keith: We still pay $10 for any feedback we receive at ymmvpod on Twitter or YMMvpod at http://gmail.com you can also send questions for the show to those places if you're feeling intrepid. Okay so I have a couple items for patter here. Do you want to start with yours or. You want me to start with mine.
  • [00:53] Mike: Yeah know I got something for you? Um, so like you've you've been with ah you've been in relationships before with women that had a much higher sex drive than you correct. Okay, and so I.
  • [01:03] Keith: I have yes.
  • [01:09] Mike: Ah, knows somebody who's in such a relationship right now and in fact, his high sex drive Significant other is a listener a regular listener now of the show which is nice to hear not surprising I mean maybe we sort of sex her up and she knows who she is and she's listening I'm sure in any event.
  • [01:15] Keith: Oh.
  • [01:22] Keith: Yeah, thank you for your patronage.
  • [01:26] Mike: Yeah, definitely so so I'm going to give you a situation here and I'm kind of curious how you would react to it. So remember this is in the context of like being around this woman a lot like it's not like you see each other once a week say you see each other 4 times a week something like that and ah, you're sort of sleeping out over at her house or she's sleeping over at your house a lot.
  • [01:38] Keith: Ok.
  • [01:46] Mike: So it's you know, pretty consistent kind of in the sex domain given her high sex drive. So you're in bed you're watching a movie together all right? and ah she really likes to masturbate and so she's decided during let's let's assume it's not a porn. It's just a regular movie and she's decided to masturbate.
  • [02:03] Keith: Okay, aha can I just say 1 thing can I just say one thing I get really annoyed when I'm watching a movie and a partner initiate sex like it's.
  • [02:05] Mike: During the movie and she gives you the following. Ah potentially Hobson's choice option 1 yeah, go ahead.
  • [02:18] Mike: Oh.
  • [02:22] Keith: It's fine, but it's like if I wanted to watch a movie by myself I would like I kind of like watching movies with my significant under and and other and I want to share that experience with them and if they start coming on to me during that I feel like they haven't been. Ah, attention to the items on the screen.
  • [02:40] Mike: What if now I assume is a corollary to that you never you of course never come on to the woman that you're with during the movie.
  • [02:47] Keith: I Mean Okay, there are obviously times when a movie is being put on just as a pretense for not immediately jumping into sex. So if you're on like you know, an early date and the person comes over to quote unquote watch a movie. Sure you put a movie on. But.
  • [02:55] Mike: Ah, okay.
  • [03:05] Keith: Yeah, you're not going to get past the first act. That's not what I'm talking about here I'm talking about you know a medium to long term partner and you know you're a third of the way into Schindler's list and then they suddenly for example, like yeah I'm just.
  • [03:15] Mike: Oh my goodness.
  • [03:22] Keith: Arguing by extremes on the other side here like there are circumstances where initiating sex I think is is fairly inappropriate. Ah I do know? Yeah I should have picked something else. But yeah, they are they talking during Shinler sister are they making out.
  • [03:26] Mike: You know that's a plot from a Seinfeld episode right? Okay, good. Yeah sure I mean yeah, there's a lot of lot of options there for inappropriateness.
  • [03:40] Keith: It's Jerry and his girlfriend right? okay.
  • [03:41] Mike: They make up. Yes, they they may because they haven't had an opportunity to be physical for some time for some reason I can't remember something like that. Yeah, okay, so you're given the following choice by your partner now. Okay, so let's let's assume yeah, let's assume somehow like this general.
  • [03:44] Keith: Because his parents are living with him is his parents are living with him in that episode all right Anyway, all right back to our listener.
  • [03:59] Mike: Issue you have is is is not at the forefront. Although maybe that will color your response. So remember she has her she has her bottom half naked I assume and ah she gives you the 2 options option 1 is that she you can edge. Quote unquote edge her pussy for the rest of the movie meaning with your hands. So. In other words, she wants you to manually stimulate her for the 40 for the remaining say hour of the movie or 30 minutes somewhere between 30 minutes in the hour of the movie and then at the end.
  • [04:27] Keith: At some at some at some prescribed rate not too much, not too little. Ah.
  • [04:32] Mike: Right? You're edging her which and by the way like it's a little I haven't I haven't heard many women asking for edging generally, but okay so she's yeah so she's asking for that or and and this is sort of presented as sort of maybe a less palatable alternative. It's put to you that look.
  • [04:39] Keith: Right? boo.
  • [04:52] Mike: If you edge her then when you have to go down on her or get to rather get to go down on her at the end of the movie. It will only take 3 to 5 minutes whereas if you do not then this required optional but required activity of going down on her after the movie will take 20 minutes how would you react to such a scenario and and and ask me any clarifying questions if you don't get it.
  • [05:13] Keith: Okay, so my choices are I can ah halfheartedly finger her for the remaining say hour of the movie. Oh.
  • [05:24] Mike: Yeah, and of course finger in this case, Finger is an ambiguous and when I think a finger I think of penetratively. Obviously we mean like ah caressing the ah the clit. Yeah exactly Yes, halfheartedly is pretty.
  • [05:30] Keith: Um, sure sure massaging the clit right? All right? All right? um it Well it can't actually actually halfhearted least not right? It needs to be being done genuinely because.
  • [05:39] Mike: I Yeah yeah I'm already getting a sense of your reaction here, but okay, go on. Yeah.
  • [05:50] Keith: The reason for doing this is that it is going to shorten the oral sex period after the movie is that right.
  • [05:54] Mike: Yes, that's right, That's that's part of the ah the the choice that's being put to you How it how? Yeah exactly.
  • [06:00] Keith: Okay, all right and all right so option 1 is is an hour fingering while watching movie followed by fun, whatever all right followed by oral sex a short oral sex engagement or a lengthier oral sex engagement at the end of the movie.
  • [06:05] Mike: Thirty thirty minutes to an hour sure but yeah
  • [06:14] Mike: Right? right? and and of course like I'm interested in your feedback on just generally like the ah I have some feelings about this but I'm I'm interested in generally in your feedback about like this general scenario that's being constructed by the the female partner here of like you're going to have.
  • [06:33] Keith: Um, yeah, well I mean ideally going down on your partner should not be a a punishment ah should be something that you ah yeah, it should you want it to be something a little bit better than tolerant tolerable. You want it to be.
  • [06:33] Mike: You're going to be doing this. You know this a requirement here.
  • [06:53] Keith: Ah, mildly enjoyable to outstanding and this whole thing presumes that the oral oral sex is not ah less oral sex is better than more oral sex for the man like he would prefer.
  • [07:05] Mike: For the well. Okay, yeah, that yeah.
  • [07:08] Keith: He would prefer to go down on her for less amount of time than more amount of time.
  • [07:11] Mike: Right? That is Caette is part of it That's kind of weird is that she's presupposed that and so it's like anyway, go on it does leave a little bit of a bad taste in your mouth so to speak that like you when when you hear that you're like oh well isn't that supposed to be something I want to do. But yeah, you let go on.
  • [07:26] Keith: Well so that makes things a little bit muddy here I'm not sure if there is some reason why that would be the case. But I mean I Guess it's not Crazy. It's not insane like some men. Maybe even most men don't really enjoy oral sex especially with longtime partners. Ah so certainly some some plurality of men don't enjoy it and so like less is better but usually people pretend they still enjoy it. So This whole thing is sort of weird and so are you asking me which I would Choose. Or whether I think this is a strange situation.
  • [08:04] Mike: I I'm asking your general feedback on the situation and then I guess what you would what you would choose. Yeah.
  • [08:14] Keith: I would choose the longer oral sex thing I'm I'm confident that I can enjoy oral sex and do it and and and get her to completion in a amount of time that would be to our mutual satisfaction.
  • [08:29] Mike: And this is because you would find the activity while trying to focus on the movie irritating you would and you wouldn't try to like bust you wouldn't try to like bust out of the cage here by like insisting that she edge herself for 20 for for that period of time.
  • [08:34] Keith: Yes, yes I'm I'm not good at multitasking like that.
  • [08:47] Keith: I mean that would be the ah the pro move here. Be like you know, sorry lady you're gonna have to take care of yourself I I I refused your I refuse your two choices and there is option 3 which is take care of yourself.
  • [08:50] Mike: Right.
  • [09:02] Mike: Have you been with a partner before that So explicitly sort of set requirements before you in terms of performing oral on her. Okay.
  • [09:10] Keith: no no I did date someone once? um, we went on I think we had 3 maybe only 2 no I think we had 3 dates that involved sex and she. I don't know what the right words here are in the past I've used words like insisted and required. But I don't know if those are right? Let me let me say the thing and then we can discuss vocabulary. She required me to go down on her for 45 to 60 minutes and she seemed to be enjoying it.
  • [09:44] Mike: Before or at what point like what? what's how how? how is the requirement manifested.
  • [09:49] Keith: Well I think what was going on is I'm used to people um basically eventually tapping me on the shoulder and saying you know hey good Job. Let's do something else now and this person whenever I would try to. Move on to the next course so to speak would basically push me back down and because this was like early days I wasn't comfortable enough to say you know hey what about me or.
  • [10:13] Mike: So.
  • [10:25] Keith: Hey my tongue's getting tired or hey this is ridiculous and so yeah I I actually sort of noped out of that relationship because I was too afraid to have like the not even that hard conversation.
  • [10:26] Mike: Wow. Okay.
  • [10:36] Mike: I see and so normally this is the thing I think this is the thing Well I was curious in your take in terms of having dealt with or rather had the lovely experience of high higher libido partners in your life The like Perhaps. I was curious if like you'd had the experience of like some kind of insistence around this activity. It sounds like you largely have not and that this is kind of an unusual request.
  • [10:56] Keith: Um, yeah I think there might be 2 things that have mitigated that for me the first is I am a fairly. Like I I like to be a pleaser and I think it's obvious that that's like a thing I think and so to your point you've made this point many times I'll make it for you I probably encourage I probably cause some women to fake. Pleasure with me because they can tell that that's really important to me so I'll just make that point for you before you make it yourself, but ah, the second thing is yeah like I don't think someone would feel like oh I need Keith to promise me that.
  • [11:29] Mike: Sure. Sure.
  • [11:45] Keith: He's going to go down on me or I'll say worry I'm not going to get mine like I don't think that's a concern that many women have with me like I'm generally willing to do whatever it takes or whatever they yeah moddulo the fact that they might be faking the whole thing if they're not if they're like actually. Seeking their own orgasms I think I create a space where they are comfortable saying what it is they want and don't need to like you know twist my arm to get me to do whatever.
  • [12:07] Mike: I think. Yeah I think most men or many men maybe most fall into that kind of a category of like be yeah, being interested in doing what what doing whatever is required. However I think there's like an a relatively unusual situation and this gets like to the question of like kind of power dynamic like you know. If you have a woman that has a vastly higher or an and a very highly and very unusually high sex drive. Um, yeah I mean I think a man can then feel very put can can get to a point I'm not saying anything specifically about the situation that I brought up but like I can imagine a guy getting like kind of feeling put on put upon.
  • [12:35] Keith: The who.
  • [12:51] Mike: Because it's like just just like I mean this sort of cultural stereotype is that women would feel that way and so like the desire to please starts diminishing because you're just like oh see it starts to feel. It seem like a chore like basically I would say the set of things that you you might find on the um on some ah female dominatated subreddit right? where it's like oh. You know he's expecting me to do this and this and this and I am not a robot I can't just ah perform cunnolingus all all day Long. Um.
  • [13:15] Keith: Sure Yeah I think maybe women as they get older too probably get more confident and comfortable expressing their sexual needs and so they might be preempting any possibility of bad behavior from the man By. Getting some sort of handshake creep and um the amount of cutting link is to be performed.
  • [13:36] Mike: Interesting. Yeah yeah I mean it's ah it's a this is a like ah yeah, given that option I think I might choose the edging with manually option. But that's probably because I don't like I don't get as into movies as you do, um.
  • [13:51] Keith: Yeah, what if it's a movie what if it's one of your favorite movies and you wanted to like share it with her and now she's like you need to masterurate me for the second and third acts like wouldn't that be a little bit insulting.
  • [14:04] Mike: Look to be fair though like to be fair though. Yeah, but if if it if sure. But if it were ah um, you know the the third date with someone you had not had sex with yet like this would be an awesome situation right? You'd be like oh my goodness. Yeah.
  • [14:08] Keith: But she's she's not respecting your experience.
  • [14:17] Keith: Yeah, of course, but you know I wouldn't put on my favorite movie and hope to you know, emotionally and mentally bond over it in that circumstance.
  • [14:26] Mike: A fair fair. Yeah, that's true. But yeah I mean this is like right? There's just I mean this is like maybe maybe a woman with a very high sex drive winds up like a man that she just needs to basically like cycle through a man in the same way. A man men are wont to do? yeah.
  • [14:41] Keith: Yeah, maybe okay well I had some pattern to I'll save it for the end in case, we still have time but maybe we should wish maybe we should do our we you have a porn for us today. We haven't done is this a video porn.
  • [14:45] Mike: Anyhow.
  • [14:51] Mike: All righty I do it is what what else would it be a picture.
  • [15:00] Keith: Okay, we haven't done one of these I don't know well we haven't done a video porn in what feels like I don't know a month or something maybe 1 of our fans can write in and let us know.
  • [15:05] Mike: Yes, it's been a while so we will have the right we can put the um, the url to this in the show notes as usual so people can follow along.
  • [15:15] Keith: Um, yeah, and usually we usually we talk about this a little bit before we start recording. But we haven't at all can I can I open this to and should I pause it immediately or what are we doing here.
  • [15:25] Mike: Ah, you should we can start at the beginning of it I think and just go through the first minute or so it it becomes I don't want to say repetitive. But ah it you there's no new kind. No new information gathered after about the first forty five seconds to a minute.
  • [15:31] Keith: Okay.
  • [15:39] Keith: Okay, I'm going to read the title here. The title is nonstop Orgasms Mr. Hankke's Xxl Scimitar is insane. The Xsl schmetar is a scimitar is a dildo of some kind.
  • [15:48] Mike: Yes.
  • [15:54] Mike: It is it appears to be something that can attach to a hardwood floor and then you lower yourself onto it. Yes I am count it down. So yeah, it's a woman with a gigantic sort of.
  • [16:00] Keith: Okay, I'm ready to begin. Are you all right? I'm going to begin in 3 2 1 starting.
  • [16:13] Mike: Dildo apparatus it. She's now showing. Yeah I mean she's showing how it it basically reaches she's she's kneeling on the floor by the way kneeling she's she's basically her butt is touching the floor but her knees are sort of spread and her feet are behind her. She was showing how high it goes on her torso. It goes all the way up to her breast. She's now.
  • [16:15] Keith: Gigantic.
  • [16:24] Keith: This is important because ripe Jesus.
  • [16:31] Mike: Positioned herself above it and she's sort of rubbing it against her and she's now she's saying things like it's huge. She's lowering herself onto it trying to at least but it's clearly a little bit of a challenge. Interestingly, she's not looking at it. She's doing it by feel alone. She's maybe got the first third of it in moving down a little more and now she gets about half of it in It's pretty sturdy very wide I mean I'd say it's but don't.
  • [16:51] Keith: Oh my.
  • [17:01] Keith: Um, what is this goop coming off of it. It's some sort of lubricant.
  • [17:06] Mike: I'm sure and it's the ah the Width of it is probably the width of a man's fist or something and now she's sort of gyrating on it moving up down. She she never actually we've we've gone through a minute already. She never actually manages to get any more of this in she doesn't It's just yeah, let's pause it. Yeah.
  • [17:11] Keith: Yeah, okay does she make any more progress here. Okay, she doesn't all right? Let's pause then I mean the thing is a monster I is that I mean so. How long would you say that is.
  • [17:32] Mike: I mean it goes all the way from her crotch to her the between her breasts. So I'm going to say like maybe eighteen inches yeah exactly
  • [17:38] Keith: Like above or breast bone. yeah yeah I think that sounds about right and if and if and if it turned out to be 22 I wouldn't be surprised eighteen is an underestimate if anything.
  • [17:50] Mike: Yeah, and the Girth the Girth at the bottom has got to be ah, maybe close to like a volleyball or something like in terms of yeah, it's It's so large that I can't actually imagine that fitting the whole thing could not fit inside of a human I think.
  • [17:56] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [18:03] Keith: Ah, haven't you seen I don't know if I've actually seen this or I've just seen videos described as it't ah can people get like a bowling pin inside of them or is that not actually done.
  • [18:14] Mike: That may be well I don't I think this may be growthier than a bowling pin. You mean like the you mean but first a bowling pin. Do you literally mean the entire pin.
  • [18:23] Keith: Um, look I've never investigated one of these videos but I feel like I've seen you know thumbnail descriptions. It's a woman takes a whole bowling pin and this is about this is if anything This is a little smaller than a bowling pin I think.
  • [18:30] Mike: Yeah, it's I'm not yeah. Yeah,, that's probably right? I'm not sure about the girth but you're probably right about that I don't really know exactly what would happen to her body if she positioned it in such a way that she could slip and kind of go straight down onto it I Assume she's having to sort of hold herself up.
  • [18:48] Keith: Ah, yeah, yeah I would assume it would rupture some internal organ.
  • [18:54] Mike: Something like that like some sort of really painful outcome would happen there. She throughout the rest of the video. It's 4 minutes long for those who want to watch it. It's um, she okay, 5 minutes long she. Ah.
  • [18:58] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [19:05] Keith: Four fifty
  • [19:11] Mike: Appears to be enjoying it a lot and she does sort of angle her body to sort of rub kind of the front of the interior. So that's sort of believable. Um, yeah I mean is this something you would watch while pleasuring yourself or is it a little too out there.
  • [19:15] Keith: She does. Yeah.
  • [19:23] Keith: No, this feels like a caricature of a person pastturating like this is like ah anime tentacle porn come to life sort of it's preposterous now there are some hashtags on here. The normal ones you know hashtag Daddy Hashtag Monstercock
  • [19:32] Mike: Yes.
  • [19:42] Keith: Um, but then there's also long or Hashtag Longorgasm Hashtag Intense Orgasm Hashtag Orgasm Torture does she does she eventually quote unquote achieve orgasm in this video that purports to.
  • [19:52] Mike: She certainly ah portrays herself as as having one but I but I I don't I don't give much credence to that Personally I think this is mostly like some sort of a performance for some particular porn consumer.
  • [20:08] Keith: Audience Yeah, all right? Well, that'll be in the show notes for anyone who wants to check this out I mean the thing of note here that the thing that's exceptional is this Dildo is really.
  • [20:11] Mike: Category. Yes, exactly? yeah.
  • [20:26] Keith: Unlike one that I've ever seen before. It's not made out of a hard material. It's compressible a bit and it's enormous.
  • [20:31] Mike: I want to actually look up pricece while you're moving on to get us some topics because it is made by Mr. Hanke's toys Mr. hanke of course being the poop from yes so it looks like it's $130 wow that's expensive
  • [20:35] Keith: Okay, ah, that's the brand name.
  • [20:47] Keith: Yeah, it's just a piece of ah well, it's some sort of space age material from Nass I don't know what that is but it's it's it's it's malleable a bit but not not so much as to not be useful.
  • [21:00] Mike: Ah sorry I misspoke ah the extra extra large which is this one is actually one hundred and ninety seven dollars and ยข95 as of this recording I I don't know with the ah russian sanctions. Maybe it'll go up and it actually has ah so just just so people know actually just this is sort of interesting. Ah.
  • [21:10] Keith: Right? Yeah, that combined with the supply chain issues.
  • [21:19] Mike: Ah, the circumference circumference right? That's the way around not across for the less lower iq listeners is ah eleven point five inches and near the base and its overall length is actually fourteen inches thirteen point nine. So we actually overestimate it slightly. Of course there is a base. So maybe if you add the base it gets up to around 18
  • [21:36] Keith: If sure.
  • [21:39] Mike: Circumference near the top. They call it what they call the rim is 8 and 8 and three quarters inches and it is lightly textured ah throughout along with defined ridges and grooves and if you'd like to buy a well. It's not an advertisement but man this they got some weird shit on http://mr.hankestoys.com
  • [21:54] Keith: Um, and some good marketing copy. There is grooved throughout.
  • [21:57] Mike: Yes, yes.
  • [22:02] Keith: Okay, ah all right? Let's get to this husband who can't last I have an opinion on this and I wonder if you'll share it so this person from Reddit says Husband cannot last I'm starting to dread sex advice on how to broach this. I 33 year old female and my husband 33 year old male have been together since high school. We have a good relationship as far as being in love getting along and enjoying each other's company but the sex is so bad and it's just getting worse. That's too bad when we were young. The sex was decent although he would finish up it prematurely. He always tried to make sure there was foreplay etc. Would say that for the last five years or so the sex has gone so far downhill that I don't even want to do it anymore every single time. It's no foreplay straight to sex and he finishes in less than a minute I'm not being dramatic or exaggerating last night for example I was in the mood. So I initiated sex. There was about 2 minutes of Kissing. He barely touched me anywhere and then he came before he was even all the way in. Less than 1 pump and it's like this often afterward there is no sorry no let's go again. Nothing you went to sleep it expects me to give him head a few times a month but I can count on 1 hand the amount of times he's gone down on me doesn't finger me because his arm cramps up quotes I feel like a burden to him when it comes to this and I know for a fact I'll never be sexually satisfied. Finding myself fantasizing about sex with random people like what would it be like to be pleasured fully I won't cheat and I won't leave I love him very much something's got to give though in the past he's been upset if I mentioned toys I think he is embarrassed and feels threatened somehow but I literally but I literally need to supplement with something because I cannot live this way much longer. How should I approach this. So I know what's going on here and I don't think she knows what's going on here. Okay I think he's just not at all interested in having sex with her and so it's not like a matter of like premature ejaculation.
  • [23:42] Mike: Oh I don't know what's going on So I'm excited to hear.
  • [23:55] Keith: It's just that like he can't be bothered at all and so every once in a while when she comes onto him. He'll you know he'll get an erection and then have a perfunctory stroke ah and then he comes and then he rolls over and goes to bed.
  • [24:11] Mike: Hang on. But how could you? How could you come that quickly if you weren't that like interested I mean wouldn't that those things don't seem to go together right? like like maybe he's faking. Let's assume he's not faking because yeah, let's assume that that she knows that he is actually ejaculating you think you could do that if with someone you're not.
  • [24:13] Keith: Like I don't.
  • [24:19] Keith: Well.
  • [24:31] Keith: Okay, there could be I mean maybe he's really just not good at lasting generally. But I think my guess is that like he just gets himself aroused somehow maybe about thinking of someone else. Whatever and then.
  • [24:30] Mike: Interested in.
  • [24:38] Mike: Yeah.
  • [24:50] Keith: Like I think that she basically holds him hostage to have sex and he's like okay and can finish you know and just makes like a totally perfunctory effort and comes almost immediately.
  • [25:02] Mike: I mean this is it's hard for me to understand it that way because like okay yeah, he must have like if you you're in my view, you're sort of flattening out the importance of the premature ejaculation. You're assuming that like this is just. You know this is the way he is and therefore like it's sort of not important to the situation for me like the only way that I could ever imagine having that happen would be something like not masturbating for extended period of time and then being with like a completely new partner that I was super excited about and then I think in that situation. It's possible that in 1 stroke. That I would have trouble holding back? Um, yeah.
  • [25:42] Keith: I see. Okay so you okay so you can't imagine a situation where you are only vaguely interested in someone and have this issue of orgasming too quickly.
  • [25:56] Mike: Yeah.
  • [25:58] Keith: Like you think if you were if you were vaguely interested. You would you would struggle to orgasm not have the issue where you're orgasming too quickly.
  • [26:04] Mike: That's right I think I think basically like I would have to like I'm not sure exactly what sort of jive I'd have to do to to get there but it would be a little bit trickier right? I mean like I'd have to yeah I'd have to go through some mental machinations to. To get myself there and certainly it wouldn't be I mean and yeah, like if it happens in 1 stroke. Um, first of all like she's probably exaggerating a little bit. Let's say let's say it happens in under a minute. Um I think that would have to be something like you know in my mind. It's like oh this, you know this is so pleasurable that it's like I can't go on any longer easily.
  • [26:39] Keith: I I think there's a window in the first minute where if you're being maximally selfish and just trying to orgasm you can you can get there.
  • [26:39] Mike: Um, although although it is true. The like I mean could go on. Yeah.
  • [26:50] Mike: So when you say a window in the first minute. Do you mean? are you assuming no other activity taken place no other like blow or anything like that and you and you just do start piv or do you mean that like let's say like.
  • [27:00] Keith: Yeah. Yeah I mean she says that there was absolutely 0 foreplay here but assume the minute starts the minute starts on initial penetration but you are fully aroused and fully erected when the initial penetration occurs.
  • [27:05] Mike: She's given you a bit of a hand job a blowjob and then you move on to piv like which which is it when does the minute start. Fair yeah.
  • [27:21] Mike: Yeah, so we've talked about this before that like the I so I I tend to ah okay, yeah, you're making a good argument here Keith like there it is in my experience like that. Yes, there is a period of time there and it it's a combination of that. It's in a sensation that you haven't that you know it's it.
  • [27:26] Keith: Yeah, we have.
  • [27:40] Mike: Novel sensation at least in the you know that day presumably and ah that there's like a little less lubrication right at the beginning which makes it a little more stimulative and so yeah I mean I could see that but you yeah, he'd really have to be on the ball like sometimes he would fail right? sometimes and then he'd get in a minute too.
  • [27:43] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [27:48] Keith: Yeah, yeah. Um, but Mike. Yeah, and he's stuck and he could never maybe I think I mean look I think the polite gentleman just pushes through that first minute and like if if he feels himself getting close to orgasm you know in those in those first few strokes he just you know pauses or moves in a way that he's less stimulated but this guy is like.
  • [28:00] Mike: You know and it's like oh shit.
  • [28:17] Keith: Forget that noise I don't want to be here in the first place she's forcing me to have sex basically and so yeah, he he has like those guardrails are not there for him.
  • [28:29] Mike: Yeah, so yeah, so your view is there's something else going on in the situation that causes him to want to make sex as unfulfilling for her as possible. He's doing it on purpose In other words.
  • [28:37] Keith: Yeah, or he's just so uninterested that he doesn't care or think about her emotional experience like I don't here's what I don't think is going on I don't think he's so aroused by her and that he's having like premature ejaculation every time they have sex and that. If He just gets the right lotion or cream that desensitizes him all their problems will be solved which is what a lot of the comments say here I do not think that's what's going on.
  • [29:02] Mike: Well, don't but isn't I mean couldn't so I don't I've never had this problem or this situation this type of situation. It's a little hard I've it's it's all theoretical for me but couldn't you at least in theory imagine a situation where a guy this happens every time and so because of that his interest in sex has waned. You know, like the the the causation going the other way from the way you you're youre yeah I don't know I haven't read the comments on the thread but it sounds like that's the direction that the kind of wst out people in the sex subreddit are going pretty typical for them. Um that it seems plausible at least that like he's he. Ah.
  • [29:25] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [29:40] Mike: Yeah I mean basically he's like lost his appetite for sex because this always happens. He's like oh it happened again and I have read you know various things written by guys where they're extremely frustrated over this phenomenon and it basically causes them to like dread sex. Oh yeah, I don't totally understand why. I should say as a core an addendum because I don't think unless he has some problem with like and I could see this with like sloppy seconds in his own semen I don't totally understand why because it's like okay then just nut and then do other things for you know? yeah and then just do it again. Like. And I don't believe that a guy can nut in 1 you know in 1 minute 5 times in a day like ah you know what? I mean so that's a little hard to understand.
  • [30:23] Keith: Right? Yeah I mean look there's various suggestions here people. But yeah I mean I think this person says it the numbing creams and the cock rings and the edging recommendations you're getting are no fix for the fundamental lack of interest about your pleasure on his part like. I Don't think he has some sort of physical Issue. He may have some sort of physical issue here right? like he may struggle with premature coming but there are ways to deal with that. There are desensitizing Lotions. You can have sex multiple times you can. Ah. Down on her. You can figure her more like there's just various things you can do and he's not showing any interest in any of those things and so my guess is that he's just trying to get things over with as quickly as possible.
  • [31:03] Mike: Yeah, but there is sort of like a devil's Uncanny Valley here right? of like yeah mean you, you are speaking as a man who is circumcised and that might reduce your sensitivity who masturbates between 3 and 8 times a day.
  • [31:20] Keith: Ah, yeah, yeah, 3 and 10000000 times a day. Yeah.
  • [31:21] Mike: Between Rat masturbates quite quite regularly and ah you know and ah and also like has a normal kind of ah post-nut clarity. Ah Refractory period experience like. I can imagine a guy that's like on the other side of those all those sort of quadrants right? that has like is uncircumcised so has maybe a very oh yeah, uncircumcised So Maybe more stimulating more sensation who doesn't masturbate for whatever reason very much so then like when he does have sex like it's extremely stimulating and then.
  • [31:52] Keith: Ah.
  • [31:57] Mike: On top of that has like an extreme post-nut clarity experience. So that way like for him sex I could um I bet this happens in other words that there's some men for whom like yeah, they basically have the orgasm in 30 seconds and then like they're done for like 4 hours and it's just such a drag. They're like and it always happens and like the thing is they can't get an erection for four more hours and and like you say oh well, you can just have outer course or whatever and they're like yeah but I don't want to because women sort of gross me out after that.
  • [32:18] Keith: Yeah I think I think such men to the extent that they exist have to work on outer course before they orgasm more sure.
  • [32:31] Mike: Or they could just go get circumcised and masturbate a lot.
  • [32:36] Keith: Or use lotions or whatever right? exactly like there's things you can do so that you don't orgasm in 90 seconds or less but you have to want to do it I mean you have to want to do it and you know a lot of people get lazy I think.
  • [32:43] Mike: It would be interesting to talk to.
  • [32:51] Mike: It'd be interesting to talk to 1 of these premature ejaculator guys I don't want to hear I never I never no man you look I don't want to hear well people listen to this show so they obviously want to hear some kind of details and and our audience is like 80% men like it or not.
  • [33:02] Keith: Yeah, if someone wants to come on. We can you know we can change their voice or something and use ah use a pseudonym.
  • [33:11] Mike: That's true. They might write exactly they might not want to reveal their premature ejaculator status.
  • [33:17] Keith: We've had similar issue finding people with micro penises. Nobody wants to be you know John the guy with the micro repeatis.
  • [33:19] Mike: Right.
  • [33:25] Mike: True. That's true. Yeah I mean these sort of these sort of male defects are tricky to tricky to get. But yeah I have so little exposure I've never talked to just like I've never talked to somebody who said yeah man I got a micropeis like I've never talked to somebody but you know like I mean I'm sure if I looked up the stats. It's like 5% 10 percent of the male population. Says they have this situation women in general seem to have experience with this and I know like 1 of the tropes that women have on the sex are british is oh it's ah when the guy comes quickly. You know you should be proud of yourself because that means he's that excited. But yeah I mean.
  • [33:56] Keith: Yeah, you do see that a lot I mean.
  • [34:00] Mike: You see that. But I mean it's that's presuming that it happens every so often. Not every single time and the woman basically is yeah.
  • [34:03] Keith: Right? That's ah, that's a scribing agency someplace where there could be but that is not Occham's razor Ockham's razor is that the person has a problem.
  • [34:14] Mike: Wait but you hang on so you think that this is interesting so you differ with that. You think that even in like the occasional or let's say the first likes say second third date situation where a guy. Comes really quickly. It's not because like he's just the woman's just that hot and he's excited. You think it's just that he has a problem.
  • [34:31] Keith: I don't know if I think it's a okay, all right? So all right? So we're we're setting up our our Bayesian things here. Okay so the person this is a second date. This is the let's say this is the first time.
  • [34:47] Mike: Sure.
  • [34:50] Keith: They're having sex and the guy comes in 30 seconds or less. What is the most likely cause of of that is it because he's so excited about the woman or is it because he generally is a premature ejaculator I think you're probably right in that particular case it is most likely. That it is he is particularly excited or nervous or out of his normal realm of control.
  • [35:15] Mike: Actually when you'd went through that though you started persuading me the other direction even though your your conclusion was where it was because we did because I think about it and I think you know myself well but wouldn't the guy want to like he wouldn't He really wouldn't want to do that? yeah.
  • [35:19] Keith: We flip up.
  • [35:28] Keith: Um, oh this is actually a good point. Yeah, the man is highly motivated like more than in any other sexual encounter motivated to try to you know be as impressive as possible. Yeah.
  • [35:40] Mike: Yeah, he just well I mean he wants to at least be normal right? So it's like you want to yeah you impressive I Guess that's a good word like yeah, he wants to do a good job.
  • [35:50] Keith: Huh And if he comes early given that then that makes it yeah more likely that he has no control I don't know man I don't know should we move on. Okay.
  • [36:01] Mike: Yes.
  • [36:05] Keith: Why does everyone seem to be so hung up on coming on the woman's face in porn. Really what is the deal with facials. Are there any guys for whom this is this really is a thing or is it just something that the porn industry came up with do any women actually like receiving them come messes up your hair and it is effing annoying if it gets into your eye. So I agree with this woman I strongly suspect that getting come on your face means that it basically means that you must take a shower.. There's no way to like stop it from getting into annoying orifices or your eye or. Your hair and so it is an imposition So a woman enjoying receiving a facial. She has to enjoy it more than the annoying imposition of the after cleaning and.
  • [36:42] Mike: Sure.
  • [36:57] Mike: Well I mean it's but it's it's in both first of all, okay this is obviously a woman asking the question. Um and I like her supposition that the porn industry is like innovating I mean there's probably some amount of innovation there. But I don't.
  • [37:03] Keith: Yes.
  • [37:14] Mike: I Think the innovation probably por industry probably is like they're sort of like ah hip hop music. They're they're just like going to the streets and seeing what people are doing then and then sampling it right? Not they're not necessarily coming up with stuff. Um, you know, or yeah, so so so ah.
  • [37:26] Keith: Ah.
  • [37:33] Mike: It's to my in my view. It's like completely psychological right? So it's like the reason the guy likes it is because of this thing he's done to the woman. Ah right, same? Well, there's ah, there's a variety of ways in which guys find that compelling.
  • [37:45] Keith: Now.
  • [37:47] Mike: And the reason the woman likes it is the same thing in reverse right? It's like oh like he he did this nasty thing to me like in the same way that like notwithstanding like um, your girlfriend's claims about enjoying anal Physically I know that that's ah I know that's like a a thing and fine.
  • [37:51] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [38:05] Mike: Whatever like there's some amount of physical enjoyment I think that like the clear main part of the enjoyment of anal for women is just some guys fucking you in the ass which is like a power play. It's like he's He's so powerful. You're so weak. You're being dominated.
  • [38:15] Keith: Yeah, it's a yeah, it's submissive and they're delivering pleasure in a different way to the man. There's a comment here that I think is ah basically synopsizing what you just said. Ah, this man says that was never appealing to me. It is now recently had a new partner with whom sex is awesome.
  • [38:21] Mike: Yes.
  • [38:33] Keith: Both wanted me to come in her mouth but it's very rare for me to come from Blowjobs. So once I was fucking her. She asked me to stop and come at her mouth. It made me so horny I rushed to remove the condom but I couldn't delay my orgasm and while I was moving toward her mouth I shot all over her tits face and hairs hairs that's almost sounds. Eastern European Construction. It was quite messy but also the result of too much pleasure excitation and spontaneity. So now for both of us. We associate that with this great memory and we like to do it from time the time it's really not something we would have been into before that event. So Yeah I think for the woman. It's.
  • [38:52] Mike: Yes.
  • [39:11] Keith: It's a very ah clear obvious physical manifestation of how excited the man is to be with you and whether that's rational or not. We can debate. But I think that is what they're feeling.
  • [39:23] Mike: Okay, but hang on that's like there's 2 There's 2 different things here right? There's like oh ah, you know you, you're so into me but there's another one which is like you've dominated me and those are actually like sort of distinct I think.
  • [39:38] Keith: Okay I agree well who do I agree. There's a.
  • [39:41] Mike: Okay I think getting I think the getting a facial is more the latter. It's it. Yeah.
  • [39:51] Keith: Yeah, okay, you're okay, you're drawing a line between enjoying being dominated and enjoying giving physical pleasure. Can you say a little bit more about that like I would expect those to be.
  • [40:01] Mike: Yes.
  • [40:09] Keith: Fairly related like the reason why they enjoy the feeling of being dominated is because they know how much the man is enjoying it is enjoying doing the dominating.
  • [40:09] Mike: Sure.
  • [40:15] Mike: Um I I wouldn't rule that out as a possibility by any means I think that's possible. However, I Also think I I I think I know this intuitively I don't like I I can't give you a specific example of like a thing I've Read. Or something like that. But but I feel like I know intuitively that ah people can find people frequently find kind of demeaning degrading kind of ah submissive situations compelling that do not involve the other person getting gratification meaning the dominant person getting gratification. It would be anything from like the sort of. Typical trope of like the woman who's like tied up to something and getting flogged I mean the guy's getting nothing out of that. But also like there's just a lot of sort of degradation tying up kind of you know you're my slave kind of play. That's like not yeah where there's no like pleasure being exchanged exactly right? It's just that like you.
  • [41:09] Keith: Yeah.
  • [41:13] Mike: You get into this mental space that you really enjoy probably because you are molested ah or or some some such thing I mean there's something that happened to you that where you'rere you're soothing. You're soothing or maybe touching in your brain. Yeah.
  • [41:21] Keith: Ah, now Mike Mike the the woke police would be quick to point out that enjoying having the shit beat out of you has nothing to do with that. It could just be totally normal.
  • [41:36] Mike: Well, anything's possible and well normal is a loaded word I mean anything's possible. So sure are are there people that have had like no negative experiences in their life which in which in and of itself could be weird right? Having such a boring life but are you know? are there people where there's no traceable event.
  • [41:49] Keith: Right.
  • [41:55] Mike: In their in their background sure of course there. Ah, there are however ah the the modern amount of reading reading I've done on this subject suggests to me that like there is a strong correlation between some kind of past trauma and this stuff and like yeah you can basically say that doesn't matter a woke person can ignore that. But it's like yeah, that's.
  • [42:06] Keith: Yes, of course.
  • [42:13] Mike: Is the problem with the sort of idea of like let's never have any stereotypes of anything is like well then how do you do anything? Let's say it's sort of anti-science on some level. You're just saying oh well, you know? yeah.
  • [42:19] Keith: Well and how do you? Yeah, how do you create reforms and address problems If you're dishonest about the realities and patterns. Ah.
  • [42:29] Mike: Or if you say the Ri or if you say the patterns don't matter like you say oh maybe maybe there's a pattern there but we have to ignore it in all cases you go Well Okay, well then how do we like? For example, does like the fact that kids who go to school are able to get better jobs and kids don't go to school Can you does that correlation matter or you just say look. There's no point in having schools. You know.
  • [42:47] Keith: Right? right? Ah yeah, where were we still think about facials. Oh yeah, well why people enjoy them. Ah yeah I mean look that.
  • [42:48] Mike: These sorts of things.
  • [42:54] Mike: Oh we're talking about ah facials and the yeah I mean it's just I like like yeah yeah, yeah I mean that the I yeah.
  • [43:05] Keith: This part almost goes without saying the reason why it's so popular in Porn is you can't see. Yeah, you can't see the come shot when the man is inside of the woman and you know oftentimes when the man does come inside the woman. In a porn shot. They'll like pull out like before they're finished coming so they'll like come a little bit on the woman's belly or tits after you know they've begun inside of her or the woman will like dramatically squeeze the semen out of herself. So It's like you know dripping down after right they're they're trying to give the viewer. A visual representation of of the come but with a facial. Yeah, you can absolutely see it and it as the bonus of being sort of demeaning which is a thing a lot of men like yeah.
  • [43:50] Mike: Yeah, this the come squeezing out thing reminds me of this question that I saw posted I don't have the specific text of it but it was a a girl. It might have been on tiktok Actually yeah ah yeah for sure. Ah.
  • [44:03] Keith: Ah, nice I'm glad you're getting into it.
  • [44:09] Mike: Ah, girl is asking. You know when a guy fingers her can he feel poop. No, he's fingering her vagina but the question is can you like sort of turn his fingers around and feel poop like let's say there's some amount of.
  • [44:13] Keith: Wait in her asshole or in her vagina. Over Colon was really full.
  • [44:25] Mike: Yeah, or Erectum or whatever some small amount of poop in there and I think the answer is yes right.
  • [44:27] Keith: Sorry, just I been made fun of by my brother in law who is a doctor and he said that oftentimes or episodes have you explaining anatomy to to me in a way that is that I should be sort of embarrassed about. But. Anyway, here we are again is the Rectum The bottom of the colon.
  • [44:51] Mike: I'm ah I'm wondering let me know if he if he if if there's something like flagrantly wrong that I say too I'm okay, good good. Ah yeah, so so I don't know his name. Let's just call him John so John ah I think I'm right in saying this that like the the ah.
  • [44:55] Keith: So far I think you've been Okay, but yeah.
  • [45:08] Mike: The areas of your um, but lower intestine thing going inward. It's anus and then rectum and then Colon and there are various parts of the colon There's like this sigmoid and ascending colon but that's like my knowledge. My anatomy knowledge is not that strong there. So so rectum the reason I said rectum to to be more precise was that yeah, that's like the storage chamber just before the poop comes out of your anus and the reason why that would be relevant in this case is that like yeah, that's like if you were kind of caressing toward the backside of a woman's vagina for whatever reason like you know the thing between there and like her tailbone.
  • [45:38] Keith: Ah, yes, okay.
  • [45:44] Mike: Would be her rectum right? and so that's like if there was some stuff in there. You would feel that. Yeah.
  • [45:47] Keith: Um I don't think I could really have you? Oh I normally am bending my fingers around to.
  • [45:51] Mike: You definitely could sorry so the answer to the question is going to be yes, you can in the Tiktok commenters. Yeah for sure.
  • [46:05] Keith: Reach the G spot and so this would be using the pads of my fingers to explore an area that I've that I have but have not extensively explored.
  • [46:15] Mike: Yeah I don't know why you haven't It's interesting. So yeah, see.
  • [46:19] Keith: Well now that I know now that I know that I might be able to like feel through 2 different membranes some some shit on the other side. Ah I'm I'm yeah I mean I wasn't really looking to do that in the first place and now now I'm a little afraid.
  • [46:26] Mike: Now you don't want to.
  • [46:34] Mike: I mean look there's like there's a fair amount of access in there I mean I'm sure you and let me just before I Even say this next sentence I don't condone or support anything I'm about to say or any of the the actions that I'm about to describe but the the ah. Ah, coach of the ah US gymnastics team who I think is in prison Now. Ah his whole that guy his the physical trainer maybe good correction there. Yeah so he his whole deal was he was claiming that he could you know on the sides basically get to muscles or tendons or something through the vagina and that's not like.
  • [46:51] Keith: Yeah Larry Master he wasn't the coach. She was the ah the physical therapist. Yeah.
  • [47:04] Keith: Yes, right.
  • [47:09] Mike: This is not something that I've look first of all, he was like convicted so I don't want to I don't want to go there.
  • [47:10] Keith: And and now we've weve we've made it 50 6 episodes had not been canceled and here is where Mike Defends Larry Daser go ahead
  • [47:19] Mike: I'm not going to defend him at all I'm just going to say that I'm going to say that like I I wouldn't be surprised to find out that there's some at least theoretical argument that you could reach that anatomy that way now could you reach it is that appropriate is it whatever I don't know I I mean he was convicted so I assume no, however like yeah I mean so. And this is all just in service of the thing of like yeah Keith like you should get curious. Don't just you know you should you should try the left the right? The back see what you can reach you know.
  • [47:42] Keith: Okay, I'll be my be my own Marco Polo or ferdinella and plumbing the depths of all corners of the vagina.
  • [47:49] Mike: You Never I mean to to be fair, it's possible I mean it's certainly most likely that you're going to generate pleasure in the area. You've been seeking it but but there are women that report pleasure for example in the ah oh I don't want to get this wrong now that I know you're here, you're ah.
  • [48:07] Keith: You're being judged on your anatomic anatomical prowess.
  • [48:08] Mike: I Know there's There's a thing called like the anterior fornix or something which is like you know you have the cervix kind of at the back there and then around it you can sort of like there de are various like pockets that you can sort of push on and there are women that purport to receive pleasure from that area and so you know you can push around and see if there's an area that she finds particularly Pleasurable. You know it's It's much less likely I think than the obvious areas. So.
  • [48:31] Keith: Huh Okay, something for me to look into so my shower curtain is a world map and consequently I'm quite good at maiming all the countries and knowing where countries are geographically related to each other. Maybe I should switch it to like you know one of those. Posters you see in the gynecologist's office where it's a poster of a vagina so that I can come armed with more information for the show.
  • [48:47] Mike: Citizens.
  • [48:53] Mike: Yes, it's a good idea. It would also really ah it would It wouldn't creep out ah female guests at all like just just a gynecological anatomy on your chaper curtain. Yeah.
  • [49:00] Keith: No no.
  • [49:07] Keith: I mean don't some don't some you know American Psycho types have nudes of women all over their apartment and that's supposed to be somewhat intriguing for women in some way.
  • [49:19] Mike: I think that they would I think that in I have to think that in the situation where a woman is um, first coming to a man's apartment that things like that anything amiss is going to be magnified like 10 times anything like this I've got to think is going to get them to come much come pretty close to noping out I'm sure this is right like. Like when you have a lovely young lady visiting your apartment for the first time I assume you are pretty careful about like making it pretty neutral like just normal right? That's your goal. Yeah.
  • [49:44] Keith: Yeah, yeah, take down all the pictures of ex-girl Freds of.
  • [49:50] Mike: Well not just that but like you certainly wouldn't want to have like a speculum lying around or something.
  • [49:54] Keith: Right? Which I normally do so that's important to put away.
  • [49:58] Mike: Yeah, or like ah yeah, or like ah a pink butt plug or whatever you and your girlfriend get up to.
  • [50:05] Keith: Ah, speaking of speaking of things to be used on or around female Genitalia This person says is my vi vibrator that try This is my vibrator really that scary.
  • [50:09] Mike: You're like hey hey now mine's blue hey back on. Yeah.
  • [50:23] Keith: So me and my partner have been a bit slow in the bedroom lately and I started to take matters into my own hands when he wasn't around since I'm always horny fast forward to last night and we slowly did the shortest amount of foreplay before he tries to jump on top of me I stopped him and asked him to play with me with the toy and he freaks the fuck out he starts telling me I'm awful for wanting a toy over his dick. Are all guys scared of toys or is it just him. Thankfully, he's at work today and I'm home alone Smiley Face I don't think it is irrational for men to be a little bit jealous of a vibrator now. There's nothing they can do about it. They should just face the facts and understand the reality that vibrators are extremely effective at. Delivering orgasms but I don't think it's irrational to be like a little emasculated by it.
  • [51:15] Mike: You know I think it's a little irrational because it's like I mean first of all at the ah top of the show we have this conversation about the ah 30 to 30 minute to an hour edging session a vibrator could easily cut that down to like 3 to 5 minutes very easily. Yeah.
  • [51:30] Keith: No, no, no, no, no the whole point. The whole point was for her to be edged I think so that that it would shorten the oral engagement after the credits rolled.
  • [51:35] Mike: I Know but. Sure but like I don't know that that's true. That's true. But I'm saying just in general like something we didn't bring up in that in the context of that was a vibrator because like that could alleviate I mean Inside. It's actually yeah, we.
  • [51:50] Keith: That could that could save this friend's manual his his hand could get fatigued in this forty forty five minute long edging.
  • [51:58] Mike: Um, well,, there's another piece to it which is that like either the person in question is not a vibrator person but but she is so let's just knowing that she is I don't think she would mind me saying that um the the ah then like there's there's almost like a dominant submission thing you're like no. No I'm not going to use this So This is the opposite I'm not going to use the vibrator you're going to have to use your fingers little man and so it's It's actually the opposite of what you're saying, um, right? So It's emascuulate he she's emasculating by making him sit there and finger her and or rub her clit instead of instead of using a vibrator.
  • [52:22] Keith: Yeah, she's imposing that on him.
  • [52:37] Mike: But I think like thinking seeing it as emasculating like I don't what what? what? What? What's so is okay, first of all your penis cannot okay, this is all because you are in the you believe that you are good at Producing Orgasms from PiVSex
  • [52:48] Keith: Okay, first off first off up stop using the you pro out I said I can imagine feeling emasculated by a piperator I could imagine one not not myself. Ah.
  • [52:59] Mike: Um, okay, okay, all right? So that imagine is that So let me yell let me describe the the world that I live in and why I don't see it that way. Ah in my world. Ah.
  • [53:05] Keith: Ah, but potentially yourself, but but not myself.
  • [53:11] Keith: Okay, you can't imagine someone being emasculated by a vibrator.
  • [53:18] Mike: Now I can imagine I can imagine them I Just think they're wrong. Um I can imagine all kinds of things I can imagine like somebody going in so I can imagine. Yeah right? So so the ah the the in my world. Ah female orgasms come from. Um.
  • [53:22] Keith: All right deliver us deliver us the sermon.
  • [53:38] Keith: Ah, wow. Yes, of course of course. Yes.
  • [53:37] Mike: Cliteral stimulation not piv and so ah for the most part mean almost almost completely almost uniformly like women don't masturbate through penetration, etc, Etc. Sort of you know? So so basically the way I look at it is. It's like look like basically the thing the woman once done to her to get to orgasm doesn't involve your dick like that's the problem.
  • [53:53] Keith: But.
  • [53:57] Mike: And so when you say it's when somebody says not you when one says that ah the vibrator is emasculating I think to myself. Okay, are they talking about it in its penetrative capacity like the the porno we watched at the beginning here with with the gigantic shalong which is yeah that could be viewed as emasculating um or it no it didn't but but.
  • [54:10] Keith: It didn't have a motor in it right? It was just an inanimate object.
  • [54:16] Mike: But like it's other than a pennetrative dil ah ah vibrator which is not typically even like the Sibyian the Legendaryibbyian is not yeah that thing's that thing's not really used um with a penetrative attachment of any real.
  • [54:23] Keith: Oh yeah, Theibian We haven't talked about that for a while anyway, go on.
  • [54:34] Mike: Note I mean it might have some level of penetration but that's at the point the point is the vibration and so like the vibrator is like not it's okay when you say people find it emascating you mean it emasculates them because it replaces their tongue or their fingers or because it replaces their dick.
  • [54:48] Keith: Yeah, but look you're saying all the right things here which is ah vibration and vibration carefully applied at the right frequency and pressure on the clitoris is a pretty surefire way to.
  • [54:51] Mike: Yes.
  • [55:08] Keith: Bring many women orgasms.
  • [55:09] Mike: Yes, and PIV thrusting ah five centimeters away from the clitoris is not a good way to bring them to orgasm but go on.
  • [55:17] Keith: Yes, but you must concede that some plurality if not the vast majority of men are confused about this topic all right? and so that's why it's emasculating for them like their girlfriend or wife says.
  • [55:27] Mike: Oh yeah I could see that yes.
  • [55:36] Keith: Hey you know can we use this thing to help me feel better that isn't your penis or anything to do with you that can be a sort of yeah like disappointing eye opening. But.
  • [55:44] Mike: Yeah, but I mean.
  • [55:49] Keith: Ah, yeah I mean the problem is like most men won't a lot of men won't respond to that in the way that you have which is like look.. It's just reality like I'm not emasculated by it. It's just how things are I think a lot of men respond to it like this guy did which is what did he do? Ah yeah, well did all she says is he freaks the fuck Out. Um. Yeah, he's just like expecting the woman to I don't know fake orgasms with him or something I'm not sure I mean that yeah this is the exact kind of response for men that like makes women be dishonest about what gives them actual pleasure.
  • [56:09] Mike: Look yeah.
  • [56:21] Mike: Yeah I mean the the great comedy here of course is that they're so then they're being emasculated by by ah natural selection or um, intelligent design whichever I don't want to leave out or view our listeners in Kentucky um, which whichever one you whichever one you believe in but the the ah.
  • [56:30] Keith: Right? right.
  • [56:40] Mike: Ah, yeah I mean I guess I was just very fortunate like as a young young lad I was not forced into a religion by my family and so I was able to sort of discover these things for myself and and and correctly discerned that ah none of the established religions are accurate in any way and similarly. I had the great fortune of having access to enough. Ah female oriented or female truth via porn but sort of not well a certain style of porn and and sort of text that I read ah Literotica or the like that you know yeah I mean like I just. Have always known that it was the clit is where you want to go I remember ah my first girlfriend in high school being surprised I guess positively when I immediately went for her clit. Ah I was let's see she was my first girlfriend I was not her first boyfriend put it that way. So she'd had some experience with someone else who did not go straight for her clit.
  • [57:30] Keith: Short.
  • [57:35] Mike: And she was surprised by that. Um, but yeah like you but you sure to the extent that like they're guys out there that feel emasculated because they have a mistaken belief about how female orgasms are brought about that's too bad but I would just say they're not emasculated by the vibrator they'reasculated by God God has emasculated you. Yes.
  • [57:45] Keith: Yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah I don't know what people should do if their boyfriends or partners respond in such a way because they're yeah their episteology about sex is so far off base that yeah they need to be. Like reformed in so many ways before they could even have an adult conversation about you know how things should be.
  • [58:11] Mike: This is why this is why people should share this podcast because we're like you know and unlike ah sex with Amy or whatever I'm sure sex with Amy is perfectly good. We're like is it Amy Emily whatever name is.
  • [58:16] Keith: Yeah, yeah. Was it Amy Michelle Emil no I think it's Emily.
  • [58:28] Mike: These other ones they're fine, but they are like repeating tropes like cultural tropes that have some validity but we're like we're actually like ah we have the full psychological nudity here and like yeah like we're telling the truth about like how this stuff works and like yeah if you're a woman and you're like Huh My my boyfriend doesn't. Get me to orgasm or has this problem like yeah, just have them listen to us for a while and they'll probably become convinced because like it's just the way it is and and also like we have female guests on who say the same thing like I'd love to have a female guest on who claims just constant orgasms from P I V I'd like to so have watch her do it. Ah.
  • [58:50] Keith: Yeah.
  • [59:02] Keith: Um, yeah, if you'd like to YMMvPod on Twitter Y M Mv Pod at http://gmail.com is way to reach us so that'll do it for episode 56 of your mileage me very.
  • [59:05] Mike: But that not nobody's volunteered.
  • [59:21] Keith: Ah, like I said you can find us at http://ymmvpod on Twitter or at http://ymmvpod or wait a minute at y m ivpod on Twitter Y M Mv Pod at http://gmail.com like I actually practice saying those things and I still fuck it up every episode anyway, thanks to you mike.
  • [59:37] Mike: Yeah.
  • [59:40] Keith: Thanks to you our listeners. We hope you'll be back for our next episode.