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Episode 59: Adversarial Masturbation, Semen Notification, Cash For Oral, Large Areolae

Team YMMV | 3-24-2022 | 1:05:19

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At core, I would call a "breeding fetish" just more or less being human. We have fun talking about sex, but at core it's serious business! Without sex, there would be no people. No one to even ask the great philosophical questions like, "Why are we here?" and "What is a woman?"

This episode, we shortened our discussion of each topic in order to fit more in. We fit a lot more in. Our cup runneth over with topics. How to tell a woman you're about to climax? When does sex for money become prostitution (answer: quickly)?

And much, much more.

Oh, and by the way, try searching the term "jilling" on Google Images. I just did, looking for a good thumbnail for the episode. I wasn't disappointed.

To follow along with the video discussed at the beginning of the episode:

https://ymmv.me/59/jilling

We get a lot of our questions from the Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/59/heads-up

https://ymmv.me/59/breeding-fetish

https://ymmv.me/59/bj

https://ymmv.me/59/unusual-masturbation

https://ymmv.me/59/facesitting

https://ymmv.me/59/wet-underwear

https://ymmv.me/59/large-areolae

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with the combination of candor hilarity and deadpan delivery. We've got a great show plan for today specifically I have topics around how to best tell your partner you're about to come breeding fetishes whether blowing someone for money is prostitution. Yes. And unusual female masturbation technique and lots more depending on timing I'm Keith my co-host is Mike Mike do you want to try limiting our time to 5 minutes per topic today.
  • [00:27] Mike: I Do I think we can make it snappier and more fun for our listeners.
  • [00:31] Keith: Okay, so I'll try to keep that in mind and we'll get started shortly but first please rate review and subscribe to the show tell your friends about us if you have any questions or feedback. We can be reached at ymmvpod on Twitter or at Ym and she I always mess this up or. at y mmvpod at http://gmail.com and for those of you new to the show we pay $10 for any feedback we receive at either of those places so get to it all right now that's out of the way. Let's get into it Mike I have been intermittently fasting for 35 of the last. Like eighty days and I've noticed that toward the end of my fasting days I am not horny at all like I have no sex drive. Hey.
  • [01:21] Mike: We need to clarify for listeners. What you mean you've been alternate day fasting right? You're in other words you fast on a Monday not on a Tuesday then you fast on a Wednesday and so forth right? okay.
  • [01:31] Keith: Yes, so the fasts end up being like 36 hours I have dinner at say seven P M and then I eat at 7 a MTheDay after that. So it's a 36 hour fast
  • [01:42] Mike: Right? Yeah I mean I've noticed the same thing with that kind of eating pattern. Basically it. It reminds me of what what I've experienced when doing a lot of exercise. Ah,, there's something around. Yeah I mean yeah, there's some sort of something that goes on in your brain where if you're using up fat reserves. It knocks down your desire for sex which makes some sense to me right? I mean if you were in a famine. Ah you know you wouldn't want Sex. So.
  • [02:04] Keith: Yeah, yeah, you should spend less time pursuing a mate and more time pursuing a deer for some denison or something. Yeah, okay.
  • [02:15] Mike: Right? Yeah and it's a bad time to to generally bring a baby into the world. Yeah.
  • [02:22] Keith: How long does it take for your sex drive to come back for me. It's within a few hours of eating. It seems.
  • [02:34] Mike: I've never paid attention to that I feel like for me when dieting or exercising a lot like it's more just suppressed generally. Ah but I haven't noticed it to be wave-like so does that mean that like there's like a 12 hour period of time when you have no.
  • [02:41] Keith: Yes, yeah, wave like yeah I mean I'm usually sleeping for 8 of it. But yeah I mean if I start fasting at seven p M ah my sex drive is normal for the rest of that evening.
  • [02:50] Mike: Just no interest at all right.
  • [03:00] Keith: Ah, the next morning I'm normal for a while but by the afternoon of my fast day. Um, it's pretty attenuated and by the evening I'm just completely uninterested in sex and then when I eat the next morning you know it doesn't immediately surge back but that feels like. Sometime after lunch I'm back to something around normal.
  • [03:21] Mike: This is just another brick in the wall of explaining why the sort of more attractive more sporty ladies might have lower sex Drivees. Of course the the major brick in that wall would be the fact that like so many men are pursuing them the like it's just not. You know as compelling to them. But another brick could be yeah if they're doing something mechanically to lower their weight. Yeah I mean they might make sex less interesting.
  • [03:47] Keith: Yeah I should read about what short-term chemical changes. So my assumption is that it's a drop in testosterone but there may be some other thing going on there I'll read about it and then I'll I'll bring it back next show did you have I think you had an update.
  • [04:06] Mike: I Do yeah so we have this ah friend of the show. She listens I think to every episode now. She's become a big fan and um, she's unwilling to come on to the show. Ah because she's shy. She says she's shy I think she's just afraid.
  • [04:06] Keith: I'm someone else.
  • [04:24] Mike: She loves you Keith she thinks you're the perfect man. Ah she likes she likes me but she thinks Keith she thinks that everything you say is just or most of what you say is just exactly what a man should say it's really kind of irritating.
  • [04:26] Keith: Well, she has exquisite taste.
  • [04:38] Keith: Yes, ladies we can be reached at http://ymmvpodat http://gmail.com
  • [04:44] Mike: It's this this is all true I mean I've met this woman Keith has not um and so ah and she's the one who sorry she's she's the one who in previous episodes ah wanted to be edged edged for a period of time during. Ah, movie with her partner. Um, she has a very high sex drive generally um to the point that she like gets really upset I think I think last episode we talked about generally the topic of it wasn't specifically in reference to this person but like it could be in reference to like sex schedules and ah.
  • [05:02] Keith: Yes, okay.
  • [05:18] Keith: Yeah.
  • [05:21] Mike: You know so a woman sort of enforcing sex on a man or saying hey I need to have sex a certain amount. Um, so ah, this person This woman's partner ah sent me a message this week indicating that he'd invented a new sex act he calls it Adversarial masturbation.
  • [05:24] Keith: Sure.
  • [05:35] Keith: Okay, go on.
  • [05:40] Mike: So his girlfriend this this person who who actually I think really likes you Keith ah started masturbating and then the partner the male partner began to say things to get her out of the mood to make it difficult for her to masturbate. And he said that he was successful. He was able to stop her from masturbating.
  • [06:01] Keith: So the classic thing that men do is you know they think about their grandmother or baseball or or something like that. What was his what? what? Ah what techniques did he deploy.
  • [06:15] Mike: I'm not sure if I want to go into the exact details but so stuff stuff that's not particularly sexual things that would make it more difficult for her to do it eventually. She just sort of like basically had to ask him to stop because he was killing the mood. Do you think that would work on you by the way Keith do you think that if you're.
  • [06:19] Keith: Okay.
  • [06:31] Mike: Girlfriend if you were trying to masturbate in your girlfriend said look I'm gonna I'm gonna hit you with some pretty nasty stuff would would that stop you.
  • [06:38] Keith: Yes, definitely I don't think I mean there are some edges here like if I hadn't masturbated in a month which situation that hasn't happens. It's I was twelve years old but if that's if I was somehow in that situation I think I'd be able to power through the ah.
  • [06:50] Mike: Fair.
  • [06:58] Keith: But you know I can swim like a salmon up up the stream of of pejoratives coming at me. But yeah, generally I think that would be a big turnoff.
  • [07:05] Mike: All right? Well yeah, so anyway this this person this lovely lady. Ah, who is a friend of the show. You know if she can overcome her fear and she could have the great opportunity of meeting Keith come on the show at some point but thus far I've been able unsuccessful at convincing her.
  • [07:21] Keith: And we'd be happy to yeah, keep things anonymous. Obviously we we only use our first names ourselves. Yeah, um, okay, do you have a porn for us today.
  • [07:25] Mike: Oh for sure. That's right.
  • [07:34] Mike: I do this one is a style of porn that I hadn't actually seen very much previously to this last week and I found it compelling. Um as usual, there will be a link in the show notes that people are encouraged advised and strongly encouraged to click. Um, so they can follow along. We're going to start at 1 minute and twenty second into it. It's a pornhub link that lasts only 2 minutes and 10 seconds um and this comes from a list of videos that I found online that are all sort of similar I don't think I'm going to post the entire list though. People can search around. So do you have it up there. Keith.
  • [08:13] Keith: Okay, yes, it's called masturbating and rubbing my pussy through yoga pants I'm ready I'm going to start in 3 to 1 starting.
  • [08:20] Mike: Yes.
  • [08:26] Mike: Okay, so it's a woman wearing kind of camouflage yoga pants. She's got her phone. She's got her. She's topless and she's looking intently at her phone and she's got her hand down her pants rubbing it appears that she's rubbing her clit. She's breathing kind of roughly kind of moving her legs in and out. Ah, she's still she's basically just you know getting to it really vigorously. There. You can hear the sound of the porn on her phone in the background her phone might be sort of an older phone. This might be an she's on an Apple watch it. Oh wait. It looks like she might be climaxing. She's sort of opening her mouth more. She's breathing heavier.
  • [08:48] Keith: Yeah, she's getting after it. Yeah.
  • [08:59] Keith: Yeah.
  • [09:03] Mike: Kind of undulating her hips maybe and now she looks like she finished and her hand is sort of slowed down. She's getting the last couple contractions of that. Okay, so all right I think we can stop here.
  • [09:10] Keith: Yeah I think.
  • [09:18] Keith: Okay, yeah I mean there's only a few seconds left anyway.
  • [09:21] Mike: What level of what level of ah I mean how hot was that to you pretty hot, not hot at all.
  • [09:26] Keith: I liked it I think it was yeah it wasn't bad. There was a couple things I noticed I think this is probably real. Maybe you'll be able to talk me out of that. But I I think this was probably real the sort of dead eyes staring at her cell phone just felt. Real like it wasn't performative at all. She's just sort of vacantly staring at her phone. She doesn't care what she looks like in this moment and this person seems to require a lot of pressure or a lot of movement applied by shit.
  • [09:44] Mike: Yes.
  • [10:00] Keith: It doesn't appear to she doesn't We never get a look at her hand I don't think she's using a vibrator I think she's just using her fingers and she's going going either up and down or across her clit. But yeah I think this is this is real. It's somewhat compelling I mean said the most flattering thing this is an attractive woman but sort of the position. She has her neck. She's got. You know, sort of the double Triple Chin thing going on but the realism is nice. Yeah.
  • [10:23] Mike: Agreed she's yeah, she's and just so the folks who don't click the link have a sense. She's sitting in some kind of a leather chair that I guess can recline and she's in front of some kind of bookshelf and she's kind of. Slouch down pretty far in the chair I think that couple of things that are a little odd is like why is she topless doesn't seem like that's necessary. You know? Yeah fair. Okay, um I think it's interesting. Generally I mean there's the amount to which she moves her hand.
  • [10:44] Keith: Well, she knew she was recording herself So I'm guessing it had to do with that.
  • [10:58] Keith: Yeah.
  • [11:00] Mike: Um, she's moving it pretty vigorously and like pretty large circles there. However I have I I do have to say that I think that I do think this is probably real.. It seems like a realistic reaction to me. And so that's compelling like it's one of the few times on Pornhub you will actually see what appears to be a genuine female response. Um.
  • [11:20] Keith: Yeah, this her her posture her lack of caring What she looks like is sort of imply that this is more likely to be real.
  • [11:32] Mike: Right? um.
  • [11:35] Keith: You don't have the sort of performative things you see when people are faking it where you know their makeup is completely done. They're wearing expensive lingerie. The lighting is perfect. They're moaning sort of over the top demonstratively. This has none of that this this has a feeling of authenticity.
  • [11:49] Mike: Do you do you think this would be hotter or less hot if she didn't have the yoga pants on.
  • [11:58] Keith: Um, That's a good question I mean there are certain articles of clothing that can uplevel women in a way that is almost unfair. The the classic thing and I've mentioned this before on the podcast. But yeah, a blonde woman in dark sunglasses. Your your brain just sort of assumes that everything behind the sunglasses is perfect and oftentimes when they take their sunglasses off, there's but reality the of you Yeah and yoga pants I feel are sort of the same way like it. It just smooths everything Out. You can't see any imperfections or cellulites and your.
  • [12:27] Mike: There's a problem. Yeah.
  • [12:37] Keith: Your your brain is able to you know project that the person looks flawless.
  • [12:43] Mike: Right? Yeah, so and so I and I guess you're saying that you think maybe it is more compelling with the yoga pants.
  • [12:48] Keith: I think I think it's not hurting things and it it may be actively helping. Yeah.
  • [12:54] Mike: Do you think? do you think you would let's say you were going to have sex with this woman missionary Style Pi V would you rather have sex with her naked or with her wearing these yoga pants with like a little hole cut out in the crotch.
  • [13:08] Keith: I Think wearing them. Yeah yeah I mean so.
  • [13:12] Mike: Interesting and what about the ah top would you rather her wear a top or topless like this.
  • [13:18] Keith: She is I like I like her boobs I Yeah um I think I think her current setup is pretty ideal.
  • [13:24] Mike: Okay, I mean do you think that like do you think that generally that's like a a good setup for women like should women should this be an article of clothing should women like pursue the sort of topless Yellow Yoga pants look during sex more or maybe I guess they'd be like yoga chaps.
  • [13:38] Keith: Um, yeah I don't know there I guess there there there could be a difference between masturbating and between being there like when people have clothes on. They don't.
  • [13:42] Mike: Because they need that ah that the crotch exposed.
  • [13:53] Keith: Doesn't feel is natural like you. You know you can't feel their warmth as much and the skin glides against each other in a way that is sort of unique. It's it's hard to reproduce through clothing. So maybe I might I may be rescinding my initial reaction which is yeah maybe it would be better if her pants are off it depends. Depends what kind of Leg. She's working with.
  • [14:13] Mike: Got it? What do you? What? what kind of skin gliding. Do you get into during PIVSex Keith okay
  • [14:17] Keith: I Don't know I think glide wasn't the right way but just the way that it it moves over itself I mean but if if both parties are sweaty. There could be more of a slip and slipping and gliding. But if the skin isn't wet or lubricated in some way. It's more. I Don't know if the words abrasive there's more friction.
  • [14:37] Mike: I was actually thinking that gliding over yoga pants might be more might be easier if you're if you were going to do a lot of gliding which I don't think I do generally all right? well compelling enough. Yeah.
  • [14:42] Keith: Yeah.
  • [14:48] Keith: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah let's move on. Yeah yeah, all right good video Mike well done. Okay I have a bunch of topics today since we're going to try to keep them short and snappy. So here is the first. Just loading for me here. 3 hamsters in the Reddit server farm are dancing around their hamster wheel still loading still that is really compelling radio. Okay maybe I need to go to number 2 on my list. Ah, well this is a problem are you able to hit Reddit links mike. Okay, yeah, all right.
  • [15:31] Mike: Yes, maybe I could read it the first one. The first one is the how are you heads up. You're about to come. Okay I can read it. Keith's having interestingly because you may not know this as listeners but we're not in the same room. We're respecting all relevant covid covid protocols and therefore we are not even in the same location. We're using the internet. But somehow though we are able to connect to each other and to you. Reddit is not able to connect to us to get this question for you but I can do it. Okay I know it could be as simple as saying I'm going to calm but that just seems too porn-like and in my eyes a little cringy but I'm willing to change my view on it I'm possibly the definition of inexperienced so any advice is welcome and then he's complaining about redditut Reddit comedians. There's a bunch of comments here Keith maybe there was one that you found compelling. Okay, all right.
  • [16:19] Keith: Yeah, it. It finally loaded for me. They all came at once so there must have been some sort of routing issue. Anyway, yeah, some of these are kind of funny. This guy says you will be rewarded with my seed momentarily. Another guy says I start whistling getting progressively louder like a teakettle. Other person says Lord have mercy I'm about to bust ah the general answer here is you can just say I am close or I'm going to come. Um I think yes, okay, so ah.
  • [16:49] Mike: Why do you have to say anything in Pi v.
  • [16:56] Keith: This is the interesting thing of the why why I added this to our list I think it gives the woman an opportunity to indicate whether she wants you not to or not.
  • [17:07] Mike: Not to at all or not to impregnate Potentially her.
  • [17:10] Keith: Well, okay, there's that part I meant. Okay, you've collectively bargained a way to ensure they're not going to get pregnant and you know you know where you're going to deposit your your your it in a way.
  • [17:18] Mike: Oh I like I like the idea generally I find it amusing and I'm sure this is like more common than it should be particularly in like maybe certain certain parts of the world parts of America is what I'm really imagining I like the idea that like the. Decision about whether or not to make a baby would come down to like 5 seconds of decision making right? as a guy is about to orgasm I find that amusing generally he's like I got I got to just I got to make this decision right now. Um.
  • [17:42] Keith: M.
  • [17:48] Keith: Yeah, well I mean and somewhat disappointingly I think that's the protocol that a lot of people employ like they just you know oh are you on birth control. Oh yeah, you know like that's not the right way to be an adult about this.
  • [17:54] Mike: Um, that's the point. Oh for sure. Yeah.
  • [18:07] Keith: But assuming you've collectively bargained. You know, whatever it is about where you're going to come and you know whether it's responsible or not I meant the girl has a better idea of how close she is to coming than the guy can have and so if she's close. She may prefer to ask. Ah, the gentleman to hold out for um, ah a while right? And so.
  • [18:30] Mike: Is that something that you've experienced many times that the woman will say like no no, don't not yet I'm I'm almost there.
  • [18:36] Keith: No, it is not I don't I don't think I do this I'm going to come thing very often I mean women mass sorry women orgasm so easily around me that it's not you know, an issue I'm I'm normally faced with but this is hypothetical for for. You know, other other gentlemen listeners If you if you say you're about to come you you give your partner a chance to ask you to reel it in or not.
  • [19:03] Mike: So the thing you said I know it was in I think it was a joke when you said the women orgasm so easily around you but you actually like it's actually important for this particular topic like so you're you're saying okay, first of all, what is the so you typically don't vocalize anything you just. You just blow your load.
  • [19:24] Keith: It's situational like if my partner has not orgasmed and I feel like I'm getting close I think I will do my own calculation in my mind first which is like well to I would it be selfish today or not and if I am selfish am I going to be penalized with. Ah, having ah to help them in during my post-nut clarity period which is of course not ideal and you know so there's like a little ah calculus that goes on in my mind and then if I suspect they may be closeish like I may try to think. How I would ask asking someone if they're close is ah is a big turnoff, especially if they're not and you know so correct correct.
  • [20:03] Mike: Right? And they aren't if you're asking. They probably aren't so me so 1 thing that 1 thing that occurs to me is that I think that I think that this thing of so let's let's set aside a world. Let's just talk pi v here and anal as well. Let's just talk pi I v. I don't think this is a topic that comes up in the dog position or really in the woman on top position either. I think this only comes up in man on top piv positions if you're having piv is it am I right? about this thing of like needing to communicate that like I don't think I don't think it's common at all.
  • [20:31] Keith: What is this? What is the oh I see I see.
  • [20:40] Mike: For guys to say I'm going to come in the doggy style position right? because like who are you even talking to like she's kind of far away.
  • [20:47] Keith: Um, yeah, and is your is part of your theory here that a woman is not likely to orgasm from any PiVSex let alone dogie style like doggie style is even harder than.
  • [20:59] Mike: no no no I actually think it can be easier for for a significant number of women I think I mean as uncommon as it is generally I mean 1 advantage that women have in the doggie style position is that like your body isn't in between their hand and their clit so they can sort of reach down much more easily and stimulate themselves.
  • [21:04] Keith: It varies. Yeah.
  • [21:18] Mike: I think much more easily is a fair fair statement. It's easier I mean obviously they have to like support themselves with 1 hand or like just do the face down ass up position to do that. But um, the. I don't think that I so I guess I would differ with you in the sense that I don't think that most men say this in order to like give the woman time I think it's some like sort of just desire to communicate there. It's like the guy is so excited that he's going to have an orgasm that he like wants to like he wants to share it and also there's some overlap with like blows. Like wanting to tell them so they're ready, but it's like I think in a guy's mind this is nonsensical of course but I think in a guy's mind like the thing that's going to come out of his penis is so explosive that he needs to warn her if he's if he's in direct communication which is face to face if he's not face to face then he figures. Well, she's just too far away. The explosion's not going to.
  • [22:01] Keith: So.
  • [22:08] Keith: What do you mean? warrant warn her for for what it's not going to impale her.
  • [22:12] Mike: Actor that the nut is coming look if it's if it's a blow I know but I think that men I think that in that moment I'm just telling I'm just saying this is what this is how I interpret the psychology and I think this is definitely how it works in my brain.. It's not about like oh you know. Ah, you know hey ah you know how close are you? It's not about that at All. It's about like some sort of weird thing where like in my brain. It seems like this thing that's about to happen is really important and so I want to like let her know like hey you know it's like hey you know there's an earthquake coming.
  • [22:43] Keith: Ah, yeah, yeah.
  • [22:46] Mike: Unless she's unless she's too far away and then there's no point in telling her because she's she's over there. That's not how it is for you? No N Pi V It's the it's the it's It's the it's the the sex explosion in your crotch like it's like it's hard for men to.
  • [22:49] Keith: Yeah, well I don't get blowjobs very often I imagine.
  • [23:01] Keith: Yeah, so.
  • [23:05] Mike: Think it's hard for your brain to see how little is happening for the woman.
  • [23:07] Keith: Yeah I don't think I normally announce we we talked about women announcing I'd be curious if women would ah would want men to announce or not and in what circumstances people should write us in.
  • [23:20] Mike: I think that I think that? Okay, yeah, they could I think I think in generally they probably well in a blow like they probably want to know because they don't want to choke or like inhale the semen but in PiIV like I think it's kind of nice in the sense that like that's the other thing is in the doggy style position. There's nothing she can do.
  • [23:29] Keith: Yeah.
  • [23:38] Mike: In the in a more missionary position. There are things she can do right? She can sort of grab you tighter or she can participate somehow more although it could be psychologically stimulating in the dog you know? yeah.
  • [23:42] Keith: Yeah,, that's true and we should move on. But I think it varies for women too. I think sometimes they can feel the man orgasming if he's inside of her but often they can't so announcing it gives them an an opportunity to be sure you know they may. They may have a sneaking Suspicion. You're orgasming but not be sure and so they may not exactly know whether they should do the thing that they do when you're orgasming or not and so announcing gives them that opportunity I'm not sure I'd be curious. What women have to say about this So The next topic was.
  • [24:14] Mike: That's right.
  • [24:18] Keith: About having a breeding fetish and unfortunately this turd deleted as post. So let me see if I can summarize it briefly. Ah they were both youngish. Um, she was not on birth control and.
  • [24:21] Mike: Ah.
  • [24:36] Keith: She would occasionally say to him I want you to come inside of me. Please come inside of me and he was saying that like that really turned him on and occasionally he did and he was becoming worried because they had used plan B a number of times as a consequence of this. And I'm not sure but my initial thought was that she doesn't actually want him to come inside of her or given like clear open eyes and not and like peak Arousal. She doesn't want him to come inside of her and she might just be saying that because she knows he likes it. And she might be hoping that he still does not come inside of her did you like what's the ah breeding fetish versus trying to say something sexy is the thing I'm trying to figure out here. Do you have any thoughts.
  • [25:26] Mike: I Do I wanted to note that by the way I yeah I can't see the post either. But the ah the the subject is my girlfriend has a breeding fetish in this economy which is just sort of goodfusing as well like I don't know. Ah, okay sure I mean.
  • [25:30] Keith: Yeah. Who. Yeah I think it's tried to be funny but failing.
  • [25:45] Mike: I think that um look I think that yeah I mean this is just like this goes along with like the nonsensical things that guys will feel think and do in these situations like yeah I mean if if they were sitting you know 3 hours beforehand and saying well do I want to get pregnant right now. They probably say no but like. Ultimately, there is like a part of their brain that is designed to get pregnant and so yeah and so like it's just it basically makes the situation hotter for them and like look I mean that like it goes along for me with like dominance and submission. It's like ah you know like.
  • [26:07] Keith: Yeah, absolutely.
  • [26:22] Mike: There's ah, there's a there's a large amount of so of dominance when a person does something to another person that basically like affects their entire life like yeah if someone kills you or like Maims you that Aff you know that's very dominant. Ah, but here it's like well I mean just in in the same sense as if if you impregnate someone you know the guy. Ah, in prehistoric times a guy could come along impregnate a woman and just leave and the man has no more to say about it and the woman now has this baby and it changes the course of her life and says extremely submissive right to be impregnated. Um, and so.
  • [26:44] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [26:57] Mike: It makes sense to me that someone might have that as part of a sort of submission submissive mind play.
  • [27:01] Keith: Yeah I mean it makes sense that people especially in the and the heat of passion and in the throes of about to have an orgasm that their decision making around pulling out is not perfect and I get that. I I think there's also a possibility here I mean I guess it's just hard to know she may and and it may be a bit of both. She may be saying it because she knows he likes it and she may be saying it because she's feeling it in that Moment. It's this hard but I'm not sure.
  • [27:33] Mike: Here. Let me ah let me read you one comment on the thread. Ah speaking as someone who has literally literally just gone through a $500 abortion because of the same kink Y'all are absolutely playing with a damn forest fire here. Assuming that neither of you is actually infertile. It's only a matter of time before she gets knocked up regardless of how ever many plan B you use so these so this must have been a topic where people were actually like it's not this is Beyond just like talking about it. This person was actually like having unprotected sex.
  • [28:05] Keith: Yes, yes, sorry I don't know if you I don't know if you caught this. But yeah, they were having unprotected sex and normally he withdraws but sometimes she would say I Really want you to come in me and he would and then they would go out and get plan B and he was feeling guilty about that.
  • [28:15] Mike: Right.
  • [28:20] Mike: Um, yeah, or get that $500 abortion that's rough I mean yeah, that's that's um, it makes sense to me that it would be a kink that people have but maybe they could find a different way to explore that kink that doesn't actually involve repeatedly abboarding.
  • [28:23] Keith: Right.
  • [28:39] Keith: Um, yeah, she there you go she can say it. He just should still pull out.
  • [28:40] Mike: Babies or sorry fetuses fetuses.
  • [28:46] Mike: Right? Or maybe she could go the alternate sort of maybe maybe she could go the alternate route of body modification that I mentioned so instead of him coming in her. He could give her a tattoo. She could look like Pete Davidson who by the way is going to space. Ah.
  • [29:03] Keith: I saw yeah um so he's on the the Amazon Rocket but the Jeff Bezos 1 what a what a year that guy's having good callback to last episode or was it 2 episodes ago.
  • [29:05] Mike: Just want to get that in there or ah, oh yes, yes, maybe he'll be the one that gets finally blown up by one of these rich guys. Definitely maybe I'm not sure a while back. We talked about I think with 2 episodes ago. But anyway.
  • [29:23] Keith: Yeah, anyway.
  • [29:25] Mike: He could do some body body modification on her to make her submit to what he wants maybe remove a toe or you know.
  • [29:33] Keith: I Don't think I think you're missing the point of of the ah of the breeding part of this quote unquote and right man right.
  • [29:42] Mike: I Do think no I think there's but I think there's a I know I'm on some level I'm purposely missing the point but I do think there's a connection there in the sense that it's It's do this thing to me do this unalterable thing to me make me yours right? And that's that's I think what the the deep like hope there is.
  • [29:53] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right? Well he can remove a finger That's ah, that's that's good advice from the Mv guides. Okay, ah.
  • [30:04] Mike: I suggested a toe. But yeah.
  • [30:10] Keith: Toes not technically fingers like I know in some languages fingers and toes are the same word like isn't it Spanish It's pireness and that's either those are fingers and toes or no.
  • [30:17] Mike: Man That's leg isn't it.
  • [30:21] Keith: Okay I know he speaks Spanish and French and some Russian So can you but ah do any of those have the same word for finger and to what is it? Do you remember? How are yeah, that's right.
  • [30:29] Mike: Ah, Spanish does yeah did those? yeah.
  • [30:38] Keith: That's right? and then you say like demono or day foot p a p what I can't remember what I say thanks yeah, okay next all right, all let's get back to it. This guy says I gave a guy a blowjob for money. Hi everyone. This is a throwaway account I 23 year old female.
  • [30:41] Mike: Yeah, good, very good. This is super good radio. That's right.
  • [30:56] Keith: Single work as a hairdresser in a European country where prostitution is legal. However, you need to be registered with Ministry of Health feel like that immediately identifies what country it is I don't know what country you need to be registered with the quote unquote Ministry of Health but there can't be them any anyway.
  • [31:07] Mike: Right somewhere somewhere they call it a ministry. Although it could be a translation so it could be anyway, go on. Yeah.
  • [31:12] Keith: Also this yeah this person's english is so good that it feels like they must be Dutch like I love how dutch people in their twenty s dutch people in their twenty s like speak english better than americans in their twenty s swis swiss people too I have a swiss friend whose english is flaws all right I had a customer this weekend. Cute guy in his late 30 s we chatted quite a bit.
  • [31:23] Mike: Right.
  • [31:32] Keith: Could tell he found me very attractive. He asked me out I initially declined politely age difference was just too much for me. He gave me a huge tip after his haircut and asked me again and mentioned that I could make it make quite a bit more money I really needed some extra cash and was curious so we had a drink after work. He was a little bit nervous first. But after a while.
  • [31:37] Mike: Are.
  • [31:51] Keith: He said that he would like to get a bj from me that night and would pay well for it I was hesitant. Yeah yeah, well she doesn't list her price here but I was hesitant at first but he offered a lot of money. So eventually I said okay and we went to his hotel room. He was very nice and polite I was super nervous.
  • [31:53] Mike: I would like to get a BHBJ from her as well that we go on. Sorry.
  • [32:09] Keith: But we talked more first and had another drink before I started giving him head. The funny thing is I really got kind of horny doing it and enjoyed it too. He seemed to enjoy it. A lot exclamation point felt a bit awkward afterwards though, although he was nice to me and asked if I wanted to do it again when he is back in town now I don't know what to think and feel. And can't talk to my friends about this at all exclamation point. Ah this is prostitution right.
  • [32:36] Mike: It is but I would put I would put this in the cast. So I I'd be embarrassed to say where I saw this video from there's another podcast that I can't remember the name of that's I think very popular that talks about relationships and ah. So There was a there was basically ah a discussion on there about um how men should not show weakness in front of their girlfriends because if they do the girlfriend will actually never see them the same in other words like a guy shouldn't cry and and of course they had women on the show and they were saying no no, it's okay.
  • [33:06] Keith: Okay. Yeah, yeah.
  • [33:13] Mike: Ah, but but but the the men were saying look the the problem is like you say it's okay, but actually like deep down something is changing and the reason I bring that up and it seems unrelated but here's the thread um very similarly in this situation. These kinds of situations like I think that women generally think like oh I would never find this stuff compelling like I I want. Have this certain set of things happen in a relationship or the certain way for a relationship to progress. But in fact, I don't think that's actually true like a situation like this has like a certain dominant submissive vibe to it. The money is 1 thing but like it also shows that the man can sort of care for the woman. The man probably isn't that attractive. He's.
  • [33:42] Keith: Yeah.
  • [33:51] Mike: Much older than she is but actually like in her brain She doesn't care that much about that. Um, and so there are these things where so the so the thread between these two stories is basically like there's this thing that a woman cares about thinks she cares about but actually she doesn't or rather it's the opposite of the way she sort of wants it to be.
  • [33:55] Keith: Right.
  • [34:09] Mike: And so while yes, it's prostitution like I think these kinds of stories are like not that uncommon I think that like it's hard for men. It's hard. It's hard hard for men to understand this because because men are aiming for something different men men aren't aiming for a woman who's financially secure stable can take care of them men are aiming for a woman that's hot.
  • [34:14] Keith: Sure I mean 5
  • [34:29] Mike: And has good sex with them like fucks. Well, but ah yeah, this is what women are actually looking for even if they think they're not anyway.
  • [34:36] Keith: Yeah I mean she says herself that she can't talk to her friends so there could be this vast underworld that is mostly unspoken I don't I don't know if it's is is that vast but there's certainly people who have unusual setups or. Atypical setups for ah for sex I mean you know there's the whole seeking arrangement community and then obviously Explicit. There's various levels of explicit prostitution. Yeah,, That's an interesting point that she's surprised that she wasn't disgusted by this. She she feels icky but she doesn't say this explicitly. But I think she feels icky mostly because she's done something that is culturally taboo not because she didn't enjoy it and so I think she has this sort of paradox in her mind where she thinks she's supposed to not feel great about this but she doesn't actually feel.
  • [35:21] Mike: Right.
  • [35:34] Keith: Badly about it at all. In fact, she doesn't know what to do because he asked if he you know could see her again when when he's back in town and I think she wants to say yes, but she feels like she's supposed to say no and it's caused ah some mental anguish for her.
  • [35:50] Mike: Yeah I mean that's ah I mean I Guess there are some kind of more I guess woke type people who ah do view this as kind of a patriarchal at it. Patriarchal attitude and I think they're ah meaning the attitude that that that what what she did There was icky. But I think that they they they might go a different angle and say oh well she should be able to do whatever she wants and nobody should judge anyone else for anything I'm not sure if that's the right approach to this I think more so it's just that like. And the reason why I don't think that's the right approach is because then you'd say well you can't stereotype anything for anything I think there is a stereotype here. It's just not socially acceptable. The stereotype is that women like stuff like this.
  • [36:29] Keith: Yeah, or yeah, well, where stuff like this is the man being put into some sort of explicitly dominant position and the woman not being judged for it. Yeah.
  • [36:41] Mike: It's dominant on some level I mean she's the 1 getting the money. She's the one because I mean she has a lot of control in the situation. He's being I there was nothing in there about him. Yeah, he was being respectful as far as I can tell like he was he was meeting her. You know in a reasonable way. Um.
  • [36:46] Keith: Just financially dominant. Yeah yeah.
  • [36:57] Mike: It's just it's it's not so it's there's it. Yeah, there's a dominant submission submissive thing there but it's it's more complicated than that I mean she's he's being the care provider on so on some level and she likes that she likes sort of being under his umbrella.
  • [37:06] Keith: Sure all right? Let's move on how do I explain my unconventional method of masturbation to my boyfriend and make it part of our sex life think you sent me this one. Ah well I think you sent it to me. So.
  • [37:13] Mike: Wait can I Guess what it is.
  • [37:22] Mike: Jed I don't remember it I don't remember it's usually like rubbing. Yeah.
  • [37:23] Keith: You said this to me weeks ago So you I can imagine you not remembering. But ah.
  • [37:30] Mike: That I say I think when I read this I guessed that it was the it's usually a woman sort of humping on her stomach humping against a pillow but I think this one is not that this is like some weird thing with her underwear or something right.
  • [37:40] Keith: Mm yeah I thought that I thought this is why you provided that porn with the yoga pants I thought it was going to be related to this but it wasn't all right I'm going to read I say unconventional because I have no idea how common this is but all my life I'm a 36 year old female I've only masturbated by rubbing my groin clothed against something like a pole slash.
  • [37:55] Mike: Right.
  • [37:57] Keith: Sweeping brush handle The pole generally has to be standing upright and I sort of cling to it with my hands wrap my legs around it then rub my crotch up and down the pole I think I started doing.
  • [38:06] Mike: Oh she would. She would love playing quidditch. Oh my lord.
  • [38:11] Keith: I think I started doing it when I was a kid bylabbing the poles of our swig set and realizing it felt good. It's extremely effective for me I can orgasm in under a minute from this but I've never told anyone that this is how I masturbate I've always pretended that I just used my fingers or vibrator I guess because I was embarrassed and felt my version.
  • [38:21] Mike: Wow.
  • [38:29] Mike: That is embarrassing.
  • [38:30] Keith: Weird. But now I really? Well he said well all right hold on let me finish. But now I really want to tell my boyfriend who's 35 we've been together for 6 years our sex life has been a bit of stagnant of late and I feel like being able to share this part of myself with him might create a spark of intimacy again I masturbated in front of him in the past. But only using my fingers or vibrator which will get me off eventually but doesn't feel terribly natural or fully satisfying for me. So I suppose my question is how do I broach this is there a way of making this a sexy thing for him to watch to emphasize that visually It's not like I'm doing in a lowering pole dance. It's much more undignified grinding like a dog humping a leg.
  • [39:00] Mike: No.
  • [39:06] Mike: Yeah, no, there's no way for this to be hot I Don't think this is like this is like if you if a guy revealed to his significant other like I mean maybe that he used a flashlight but certainly like a sex doll or something. It's not is it I mean would you like it if your girlfriend revealed this to you.
  • [39:23] Keith: Ah, if she well I mean the the big part of the reveal here is that all the orgasms she'd had with him ever have been not satisfying right? So so setting that aside like if she was like well there's this other thing that all that I can also.
  • [39:33] Mike: Right? Oh there's that too sure that did yeah.
  • [39:42] Keith: Due to orgasm and I like to do it sometimes so so we're so we're separating the indignity of finding out that all her orgasms with you over the last six years have been bad if we separate that and it's just sort of an alternative method I don't know I mean I agree that it probably looks sort of depraved. Um. To watch her do this but might be sort of funny to watch her. You know grope a broom handle and you know hump it.
  • [40:10] Mike: I mean to first order you could say oh maybe she'd she'd be into like you know having your cock be the broom handle. But it's not long enough. It's not going to do it. It's not rigid enough I just think this is the kind of thing that you can't really oh like let's let's say the like I don' do you want someone to.
  • [40:20] Keith: Right? Some people suggested grind on his leg as well. But yeah I think she needs the firmness of the of a pole.
  • [40:30] Mike: You want someone to grind on your leg like this isn't I don't know I mean I guess it's.
  • [40:31] Keith: Um I think it would be better than watching her like cling to a broom handle.
  • [40:38] Mike: Ah I'm not sure about that Actually like I think the yeah I guess I mean like there'd Yeah, you'd be more directly connected to her as she reaches that Climax I guess I'm not sure.
  • [40:42] Keith: Right.
  • [40:57] Mike: This wouldn't be would not be my favorite thing to learn I'd be like okay like yeah I mean I guess another question would be like maybe there's some way to like maybe maybe a very creative mind could come up with something that's like a good I mean yeah, grinding on the leg is sort of creative. Maybe there's some way. Yeah I mean what else could yeah.
  • [41:13] Keith: Um, I mean what's going on here is she needs really firm pressure that and she probably can't apply it well with her fingers and a vibrator's not firm enough and she can use her body weight against the broom handle is there is there some device I don't know.
  • [41:14] Mike: Yeah I don't know.
  • [41:25] Mike: Is this maybe because she's maybe she's overweight is that what's going on here. Yeah.
  • [41:33] Keith: Unspoken I know that your theory for 3 quarters of women's health issues.
  • [41:37] Mike: Well I mean three quarters of all health issues are probably overweight in the us today. But the yeah.
  • [41:41] Keith: Yeah I mean I think a reason why that you know the United States has more covid deaths by percentage than any other first world country is because of our obesity problem.
  • [41:49] Mike: Seventy Seventy five percent of hospitalizations were obese people. They don't talk about that much but the ah yeah, so the the um you're probably right that it's firm pressure probably and and it's interesting that the vibrator doesn't do it. Maybe you need like a solid maybe like a sibian.
  • [42:06] Keith: Yeah, well she needs something she can use her body weight on. Yeah yeah, she says she likes it doing it against something that's standing up though. So.
  • [42:07] Mike: And you get aibbian well a sibian it's like a saddle I mean you get on that thing and um. You could mount aibbian horizontally on the one that doesn't work. Maybe there's a new sex. Maybe yeah, maybe you you could use it as an opportunity to create a new sex toy would be something like 1 of those kids light saber toys that vibrates and is long. You sort of extend it and then. She gets on the pole and it vibrates a vibrating pole. It could be hot. Maybe all women would like that.
  • [42:39] Keith: Yeah, is there anything that's like that or vibrating pole like maybe those things in car washes that turn all right, Let's move on. Why is male and female face sitting so unpopular compared to the opposite.
  • [42:47] Mike: You know so imagining like a fire station. Okay yeah.
  • [42:55] Mike: Oh yeah.
  • [42:58] Keith: Aren't there more dominant men than there are dominant women when I searched on pornhub male-on-female face sitting. There were only like 2 videos while over 100 of the opposite is this a weird kink to have or what and then.
  • [43:06] Mike: Yeah, so so I sent you this one I just want to make sure our listeners understand male on female. That's a man. Okay, the sitter is the man he's on top of the face of the woman who's the city. Okay, go on Keith yeah.
  • [43:17] Keith: yes yes I mean the number would comment here and it has 3000 up votes compared to 1000 up votetes for the question itself is face fucking is what you're looking for and that's right like he. That's the that's what the man being dominant. Thing is called an oral sex situations and yeah that the man needs to be on top I think is I think in most face fucking situations. The man is on on top right? yes.
  • [43:50] Mike: Well I mean there are a number of different positions. You could adopt. Um when I so didn't the question specifically. Maybe it didn't suggest which direction the man is facing was that not in the question.
  • [44:05] Keith: It's an out of the question.
  • [44:06] Mike: Okay, okay, because when I think of faceitting I Definitely we've discussed this before whether the when it's a woman on top face sitting. There's this question of whether she's facing toward say the man's penis or away and you've corrected me that face sitting should typically be thought of as the woman facing away from the man's penis.
  • [44:22] Keith: Um, I mean in all in all face sitting situations. You want the asshole away from your face Now that's not to say it's not done and of course it's done when people are actually eating each other's assholes. But in the.
  • [44:24] Mike: So I guess that would be the same thing.
  • [44:28] Mike: Okay, okay, so.
  • [44:37] Keith: Standard situation where you're trying to interact with the front Genitalia be it a penis or a vagina. Yeah, you want the asshole facing away.
  • [44:42] Mike: So I think your this is being misintentionally misconstrued I don't think this person is talking about face fucking I think they're talking about the man sitting on the woman's face I'm going to take them at their word for what they're describing and so I think this is a man getting analingous Maybe like the.
  • [44:56] Keith: All right.
  • [45:02] Mike: While beating off or something I guess he's beating off toward the headboard then not even toward her chest or whatever if you turn the other way he would be and the reason so if if you take it at at the exact text of the question. The reason that's not popular is and I can This is very simple is because it's gross. Nobody nobody wants a man.
  • [45:16] Keith: Fright.
  • [45:21] Mike: Nobody's like I mean like if a woman is face sitting on a man. Let's say the man wanted to give analingus like there's a vagina right next door so you can sort of go back and forth something here. The only other possible thing would be taint licking and maybe some balls. You're not going to get to the penis.
  • [45:37] Keith: Yeah, there's nowhere use old ago. Yeah.
  • [45:41] Mike: Right? So it's just purely butthole. Um, that being said I mean that I'm sure this is a thing that some people like I mean have you ever had a woman. Ask you to sit on her face. Keith.
  • [45:49] Keith: Ah I mean I think if they did I would assume they meant facing the other direction.
  • [45:58] Mike: Which directions that 69
  • [46:01] Keith: Ah, asshole away from their face.
  • [46:06] Mike: Away from their face. Um, so you So yeah, your penis in their mouth and that by the way is an activity. You do not enjoy right.
  • [46:10] Keith: Yes, I mean it's It's just another kind of low job.
  • [46:18] Mike: Right? right? It's yeah okay, so so there in in that sense. It's is it your least favorite kind of blow job.
  • [46:27] Keith: 1 where I'm more dominant like or where I have more control.
  • [46:31] Mike: No, is it just I mean you don't generally I'm just curious if there's like some gradient of enjoyment for you between sort of a woman. They're all the same.
  • [46:38] Keith: No no I I enjoy the way blowjobs feel I don't I like the way they feel physically I don't like the way they feel emotionally. But I don't think so.
  • [46:49] Mike: Yeah, and the question is emotionally is there Some gradient between say you sitting on. It's the same.
  • [46:56] Keith: Yeah I understand what you're saying and you you could imagine there would be I I might prefer ones that require more male dominance to would would feel even worse emotionally. But I don't I don't think so I think I think that there's like a binary thing.
  • [47:04] Mike: Well I mean for example I think a fair number of men have when the woman is moving when the woman is more active meaning like that's you're sitting on the edge of the bed or you're sitting on bed and she's she's there doing that. That one like men. There's There's significant number of men who the negative of that position is that it's harder for them to get off and so the woman's having to do this thing for a really long time women have this problem with men giving role too like you know if the man has to do it for such a long time. They start feeling self-conscious whereas if there's a position where. Man is more in control. You know so than than maybe men enjoy it more in Porn I would say most maybe even like a large majority of male blowjob porns is a man dominant which I interpret to mean that the porn star finds it much easier to get the nut off.
  • [47:59] Keith: Yeah I think that's also what most men want to see I think men prefer male dominance female submission in their porn. It pleases the most the largest number of viewing audience.
  • [48:01] Mike: If he's controlling the action. So.
  • [48:09] Mike: I don't Okay, so that the the I hear that and that seems right to me but a flip side to that is that like with ah P I V porn. There is an awful lot of cowgirl and reverse calgirl.
  • [48:26] Keith: Yeah, ah my theory on that is that the optics are really nice. Yeah, and even if they weren't really nice like even if they were exactly the same as as other angles I think variety has a lot of value.
  • [48:28] Mike: I Mean an awful lot. Maybe a majority of it. Because you're looking at the woman and not the man.
  • [48:43] Mike: Okay.
  • [48:46] Keith: So the director wants to show you know different things instead of just 1 thing being rotely repeated.
  • [48:50] Mike: I've noticed that I've noticed that that those positions get more airtime than I think they should and maybe sometimes to the majority of the airtime.
  • [48:54] Keith: Yeah, yeah. But Mike maybe other other users other viewers have you know a yin to your yang I'm not sure.
  • [49:05] Mike: Yeah, they're just wrong. It's the the one. It's the same people that are watching the stepsister step mom um mmf threesomes where the 2 guys are but anyway, let's go on.
  • [49:15] Keith: Yeah, their depravity is wrong. Okay, this person says boyfriend found my panties that I got really wet in question Mark I don't know why there's a question and you know what this is what I'm saying like americans in their twenty s just can't write hi when my boyfriend was doing a deep clean of his room. He found my panties behind the bed.
  • [49:21] Mike: He.
  • [49:34] Keith: I don't know how long they've been there for but had to be at least three weeks as I haven't been to his house in that long which just makesing tense. It's here I must have taken them offoh I have a story about that remind me when I finished reading here I must have taken them off when we were going to have sex and usually by that point they're pretty soaked.
  • [49:39] Mike: Ah, oh she's sure they're hers, but okay.
  • [49:47] Mike: Okay.
  • [49:53] Keith: Word that the dried up fluids in my panties after three weeks would have been super gross and I'm embarrassed because he said he washed them. He was smiling when he told me and seemed to muse. But I'm meeting him soon and feeling kind of embarrassed about this would you as a guy be super gruosta grossed out by finding that slash having to wash it. Thanks tldr.
  • [50:07] Mike: Yes, no, not finding it. Yeah.
  • [50:12] Keith: Boyfriend my 3 boyfriend found my threeplus old weak panties that were soaked my arousal fluids and I'm feeling embarrassed that he had to witness that and wash it would that be super gross for you guys. Let me tell my story really quick I was doing a deep clean of my room once and I found a pair of panties under my bed and I grabbed them and put them. My. Girlfriend wasn't over but she had a jacket hanging on my coat hanger in my apartment and so I just shoved the panties in there. Um, and. Time it got gold she put on that jacket. She found said panties but they were not hers and ah she justifiably was pretty outraged by this now here's what actually happened I have no idea who they were I had. Been I'd been seeing this woman for months and I hadn't been sleeping with anyone else. It's just I hadn't cleaned under my bed and sufficiently logged but you know there was ah a fossil from a previous partner that I that I dug up. Um, but it took a while to persuade her of that it was not particularly. Believable for her. Yeah.
  • [51:20] Mike: Do you think she ever actually believed that I mean that seems if yeah.
  • [51:26] Keith: Yeah I think she believe me I think she did I think that ah I don't give ah vibes I don't give cheating vibes and so it's it's I think I think there are a lot of men for whom that would just be totally unbelievable and ockham's razor being that like obviously he's cheating.
  • [51:43] Mike: Okay.
  • [51:45] Keith: Ah, seems pretty you know cut and dry here. But in this particular case I wasn't and I think that I don't seem like the kind of person that would do that and so she actually believed me but I should I still have I'm still on like speaking terms with her I should ask her and.
  • [51:58] Mike: I mean it seemed like my if I think that I think that many women in that situation would interpret it as ah so obvious. So first of all the interpretation that you the the the story that you tell is insane doesn't sound believable at all because.
  • [52:14] Keith: But right, but it is I mean I have no need I have no reason to lie. Okay.
  • [52:18] Mike: But and maybe it it sounds unbelievable in a way that you're not thinking. Maybe it's exactly what you're thinking but to me it's unbelievable in the sense that you found these underwear. You knew that was her jacket and only an insane person would then put the underwear in her jacket like why It's just an obvious.. It's obviously creating a later problem so it would be very hard for her to believe and so therefore as a woman thinking about this I Think what I would conclude is it must be that you had another woman in there who saw the jacket and put her underwear in there to.
  • [52:47] Keith: I see.
  • [52:50] Mike: Somehow mess up your relationship. So in other words, it was another woman but she did it on purpose because why would you ever do that.
  • [52:54] Keith: Right? I had a friend years ago who was quite a philanderer herself and she was sleeping with a married man and she intentionally left her credit card on his kitchen counter and his wife then found it. So yeah, this would be the same as a woman.
  • [53:12] Mike: But how did that story end.
  • [53:14] Keith: Intentionally leaving her panthes I don't remember I think actually I do remember but there are too many identifying details. So I can't can't say it on the air.
  • [53:19] Mike: Got it? What did the wife Confront the man did she use the credit card I mean I'm sort of curious of the come from Oh Wow Very successful. Ah attack pattern there. Okay, um.
  • [53:24] Keith: It It did precipitate the the end of a of their relationship now.
  • [53:38] Mike: But in this case this this particular questioner is asking about whether the guy would be grossed out I think that the answer is well. There's a couple things here. 1 is that like I don't think the type of ah soiling the weather. This is not I'm not. This is something where a woman would be much more expert but I don't think the type of soiling you're going to get of the underwear from arousal fluid is the same as sort of general like let's say she wore them for a long time. Ah soiling right.
  • [54:03] Keith: Yes, yes I mean women women discharge a surprising amount of matter from their vaginas in the course of a day and there are you know numerous things that that can come out We we've gone through this before there's you know there's.
  • [54:14] Mike: Um, right.
  • [54:22] Keith: Urine. Obviously there's there's blood. There's some kind of what they actually call Discharge I think is what it's colloquially called and not sure exactly what that is. There's you know Arousal lubrication. There's perhaps things I'm forgetting. But yeah, the arousal lubrication is not that bad.
  • [54:28] Mike: Right? okay.
  • [54:41] Keith: Ah, it's some of those other items that aren't so great. There's potentially poop.
  • [54:43] Mike: Right? So I don't think right I don't think that she's I think she's not exactly worried about the right thing. Um, but right he probably didn't you know, carefully investigate the item to see how gross it was. He probably just kind of.
  • [54:50] Keith: Or she may be so embarrassed she doesn't want to say yeah.
  • [55:02] Mike: Put it in the in the wash.
  • [55:02] Keith: Well, you know there are men who buy panties in particular soiled panties online I think it's typically done by cam models and 1 of the things you can do is you know.
  • [55:10] Mike: How does that go for them.
  • [55:19] Mike: I know and then what what are the? what do they do? do you know what? they do once they get them all right I mean I could try to find someone who buys them and ask maybe I'll take a note here.
  • [55:19] Keith: They'll sell you the panties they're wearing during their show I don't know I mean do they huff it.
  • [55:32] Keith: Ah I mean what else do they nail it to the wall. Do they frame them. You know you know how like people collect basketball sneakers and they have a closet you know full of them. Did they do that.
  • [55:44] Mike: The whole thing is ridiculous because these men should be using that money in a way that more directly gets them some kind of sexual experience. This is just silliness so it does sort of doesn't matter what they do. It's a mistake I think I mean it's It's obviously a fetish.
  • [55:55] Keith: Yeah.
  • [56:02] Mike: But it's somehow they're trying to have ah a distance experience instead of having a more I weigh whatever I mean to each their own.
  • [56:07] Keith: Yeah, yeah, all right I think we have time for 1 more topic here. This person says are large Ariollas unattractive to guys been teased by other girls for the size of my aolas and how they cover a big area of my breast not dated before.
  • [56:13] Mike: Um, yep.
  • [56:26] Keith: And worried they might be a turnoff for guys is it something to worry about.
  • [56:30] Mike: What do you think.
  • [56:31] Keith: Um, ah, first thing that comes to divide is ah is a story I was dating someone a few years ago and we went on a date with her best friend and her best friend was very pretty charming. She's now married and just had a child or I don't know. Maybe it's. Her child's probably 4 or something I'm not good at remembering timelines. But in any case she was on you know, like date number 4 with this guy and we go on a double date and this guy is like unusually chatty with me like spending a lot of time talking to me. And at 1 point he like put his hand on my knee and I like looked looked over and ah my girlfriend noticed it but ah his girlfriend didn't notice it and ah later we were talking about somehow nipples came up.
  • [57:10] Mike: Fifth.
  • [57:25] Keith: And he was saying that his favorite nipples were of King Triton from the little mermaid and he's like oh man, he's just got those like perfect pancake nipples and I don't even know what like pancake nipples means but this guy was into whatever King Triton's nipple and arielda shape were and anyway that guy. Unsurprisingly turned out to be gay as for myself I kind of like when ariola look unusual like if I'm you know, leafing through perusing women to choose 1 to masturbate to in a given session if somebody has unusual. Ariola it could be sort of interesting for me to explore I'm not sure if I would want unusual aola in my forever partner but every once in a while it can be interesting I guess it would depend just how how many standard deviations larger than normal this this lady's nibbles ariola are. I can't really say without knowing more.
  • [58:25] Mike: Yeah, there can be something compelling. There can be something compelling about it looking kind of unusual in the sense that yeah, ah, it's even more of a ah violation of the woman when you see her naked in that situation right? exactly because there's because there's something even more.
  • [58:37] Keith: Yeah Forbidden yeah.
  • [58:45] Mike: It's being hidden from the world and so in fact I think that would you say this Keith that like maybe her embarrassment itself could be a turn on.
  • [58:55] Keith: Huh Yeah I think yeah because it's that's submissive I suppose you know it's It's hesitant. It's it requires some coercion. Yeah yes.
  • [59:04] Mike: Right? So in that sense so in that sense I think she's got it backward looking exactly exactly right or exactly you know, perfect. However, you want to define. It might be slightly less compelling. Ah, there probably are some men who are so completely controlled or they're they're they're so pattern matched off of porn or certain magazines that they they have a certain expectation but I think well one of the there's a trope that people on. Sex subreddits say that's not exactly right? that says something like well if if if he's having sex with you. He doesn't care or something like that. You know if if a guy who's who you're letting have sex with you complains about this, you should kick him out of bed or something like the the general idea being that he's going to be so grateful to have access to you. That none of these things matter I don't think that's exactly right? There are men who have some kind of choice. Ah, and ultimately just like women men can be selective to some extent. They certainly can decide to only want to have sex with you 3 times instead of twenty five or one hundred um
  • [01:00:11] Keith: Write write.
  • [01:00:15] Mike: But the but ah they may but but there is this thing of often. There can be there can be imperfections well you do it yourself Keith you have like this imperfection camera that you go through with women and and maybe that's what it is. It's that you want to invade their privacy. You want to see? Yeah I mean. Look no the interior of women's vaginas is not attractive to anybody and yet men want to invade that right.
  • [01:00:39] Keith: Yeah I mean I'm sure this is just like anything if if it's a little bit off. It's fine if it's a lot off. It's not fine. You know like if your penis is a half inch shorter than normal. It's fine if it's an inch shorter. It's starting to get not fine if it's two inches shorter then it's it's a problem and you know if it's ah.
  • [01:00:55] Mike: Is that.
  • [01:00:58] Keith: If somebody is six foot tall that's great if they're you know 5 10 that's less great. 5 five eight much less great Five six like you know youre starting to have a problem and yeah I mean im guessing it's the same with ariola like a little bit off. It's totally fine. Some people might even be intrigued and you know as it gets more and more. Ah, freaky. You know more and more men will sort of nope out of the situation and so yeah I mean there's lots of answers here that are sort of annoying this person says I have large ariola and as a teen people made me feel awful about them. But what you learn as you grow up and date. Yeah I don't know she said this the op also says that she's been teased.
  • [01:01:28] Mike: How.
  • [01:01:37] Keith: By other girls for the size of her aerol is like do women like walk around in the locker room and talk to each other about that I always thought that like women's locker rooms were much more modest.
  • [01:01:44] Mike: They are ah from the limited information I have and also a large percentage of women are sort of yeah careful careful about what they show and even the ones that aren't careful like they're not just just as in men's locker rooms people aren't sitting around saying a nice nice penis Keith yeah.
  • [01:01:58] Keith: Right? That's not to say they're not looking though by the way.
  • [01:02:03] Mike: Yeah, the other thing I would say is that? Ah, ah, you know, an average side penis size penis I noticed that you you were saying that an inch. What did what is it? You said an inch smaller is a problem where does the problem start you were you were painting the tape there got it.
  • [01:02:15] Keith: Um, problem problem starts further away from the mean than I am myself.
  • [01:02:22] Mike: I think the mean penis size or median rather is five point five inches I think that's right.
  • [01:02:25] Keith: I was all right I think it depends on ah race and right that's right sorry that's I get confused of types I sorry um yeah.
  • [01:02:31] Mike: No, ah Keith there are no endogenous differences between ethnic groups. So that's something we've discussed before off the air. Yes, yes.
  • [01:02:44] Keith: Everybody looks the same. Yeah, so anyway, yeah, and okay, ah, but what you learn is you grow up and date is that people who like you will like you as you are if they don't then that's the them problem not a you problem and you can tell those people to take a long walk off a short pier and move on with your life I'm in my mid 30 s now and have been with my husband for nearly a decade and a half. Loved me and my breasts for who and what we are and he makes me feel like a goddess every single day. So trust me what I say your aerial is are perfect just the way they are and they're absolutely nothing to worry about yeah I think that's terrible advice that may be true. Her Ariel is maybe completely fine and it's not worth worrying about that may be not true. It just depends. Um.
  • [01:03:08] Mike: You.
  • [01:03:20] Mike: Right? same.
  • [01:03:23] Keith: And saying that like everything is totally normal and that like it won't have any effect on your life If you have something that's freaky is not helpful right? It it sort of disrespects her experience.
  • [01:03:31] Mike: Right? I mean there are things by by the way did everybody in this thread pluralize aryola as ariolas yeah I would do ariolla a e it's Goingnna be latin it's feminine. So.
  • [01:03:38] Keith: Is it ariol Lay ari ariol lopiys is what is the what is the entomology of the word.
  • [01:03:51] Keith: Yeah, all right? We're we. We're a little bit over time anyway. So I'm gonna all right? So that's a wrap on episode 59 of your mileage may vary. You can find us at Ymmvpod on Twitter or at y mmvpod at http://gmail.com hey I did it without stumbling over my words.
  • [01:03:51] Mike: Ah, Ray old a this is super interesting. But yes.
  • [01:04:09] Keith: Thanks for listening. We hope to catch you next time.