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Episode 60: Is Keith Ready For Pegging? Love In Sugar Relationships, Cutting, No-Stimulation Orgasm, Wet Dreams

Team YMMV | 3-31-2022 | 1:03:25

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It's incredibly hard to predict that magic moment when a man finally decides to accept penetrative sex, performed on him, by his lovely female partner. One question at hand this week is where Keith finds himself on that journey. To find out, we invited his girlfriend Alyssa to the show, from their Caribbean hideaway where they presumably are investigating new and innovative ways to explore topping and bottoming.

Oh, but there's more! What to do when you discover a woman has been secretly using your vibrating toothbrush to masturbate? How not to destroy a promising sugar relationship with an errant "I love you" while receiving oral ministrations.

And, do men need very specific stimulation in order to orgasm? Can certain men do it "hands free"? How?

We get a lot of our questions from the Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/60/toothbrush

https://ymmv.me/60/sugar-love

https://ymmv.me/60/pegging

https://ymmv.me/60/cutting

https://ymmv.me/60/stimulation

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

  • [0:02] Keith: I think I can simulate
  • [0:09] Keith: whether or not I will enjoy being pegged. I don't know, we we've talked about this a little bit. I mean it is possible that
  • [0:21] Keith: you know something like a prostate massage or something might be this like level of pleasure that I've never experienced or at least compelling in a way that I've never experienced.
  • [0:27] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage. May vary. We talk about sex and relationships with the combination of candor, hilarity
  • [0:28] Mike: and deadpan delivery.
  • [0:37] Keith: We have a fun set of topics to cover today, including an alarming twist on using your partner's toothbrush to masturbate, how to turn down a girlfriend's constant request to peg you
  • [0:47] Keith: How to walk back and I love you declaration and much more. I'm keith and I'm currently traveling so I am approximately 250 times further than usual from Mike
  • [0:54] Keith: And I'm using a more portable microphone. So we'll see if that affects the quality to show it all. Mike. Can you hear me?
  • [0:55] Mike: Yeah, I can hear you okay,
  • [0:57] Keith: Okay
  • [0:58] Keith: good.
  • [1:12] Keith: Uh and we have a returning guest today, Melissa is sitting across from me in our hotel room in dominica. She has many claims to fame that are more interesting than being my girlfriend, but that is one of them. Welcome back Melissa!
  • [1:14] Mike: Thanks for having me back
  • [1:17] Mike: where keith. Where is dominica?
  • [1:19] Keith: It's dominica apparently.
  • [1:20] Mike: Sorry dominica.
  • [1:24] Keith: It's said that on the video that they showed us in the
  • [1:24] Mike: customs
  • [1:26] Keith: and customs. Yeah.
  • [1:34] Keith: Uh it's in the south east caribbean, it's in between martinique and guadeloupe and they speak
  • [1:37] Keith: french and english here because they were
  • [1:40] Keith: alternately under french and british control.
  • [1:40] Mike: Got
  • [1:41] Keith: it.
  • [2:00] Keith: So all right. We'll get started immediately here. But I first have to pay the meter listeners. Please rate review and subscribe to the show, insist to your friends that were worth listening to. And if you have any feedback for the podcast, we pay $10 for any feedback we receive at Y. M. M. V pod on twitter or at Y. M. M. V pod at gmail dot com.
  • [2:10] Keith: Those are the two places to send us questions to. Uh, let us and yeah, and if you send us a question there, let us know if you want us to use them on in the show. In your note.
  • [2:14] Keith: Now, that's out of the way. Let's get into it.
  • [2:20] Keith: We received an email about squirting this week that I think we should litigate.
  • [2:22] Keith: How do you guys feel about that?
  • [2:24] Keith: Good.
  • [2:24] Mike: It's a good email.
  • [2:28] Keith: Yeah. All right. Um,
  • [2:32] Keith: uh yeah, this this person we're going to keep anonymous. So we'll call her jane.
  • [2:40] Keith: This is the first day I've listened to your podcast. I'm totally fascinated. I can't stop listening. Awesome. She has good taste. Anyway, so
  • [2:53] Keith: I went to this one and you're talking about squirting. I'd like to make a comment on this squirting is real. It happened to me and I was completely surprised. So I did some research. It's definitely not incontinence. I think she's using your word there mike.
  • [3:11] Keith: I mean, I don't know what happens for other people. I'm only speaking for myself. I could say so much about it in detail but I'll keep it short I guess it's rare. It has only happened to me a few times ever. And there's a science or process to it. I don't know exactly how to put that but you have to be in a particular headspace for it because your body naturally tries to shut it down as if you're going to pee.
  • [3:11] Mike: So it usually
  • [3:13] Keith: doesn't happen for people.
  • [3:15] Keith: What I read about said that even though it's
  • [3:16] Mike: squirting
  • [3:27] Keith: even though it's squirting a percentage of it is P. So if some chick has yellow squirting going on that's Bs and probably P. But seriously though it is possible for women to squirt. It's totally a real thing
  • [3:33] Keith: and it's like a quick burst. Like a freaking geyser looks nothing like a woman paying?
  • [3:35] Keith: Um
  • [3:36] Keith: Okay.
  • [3:40] Keith: I think she thinks that
  • [3:44] Keith: the thing that comes out when she quote unquote squirts is not P. Do you guys agree that she thinks
  • [3:46] Mike: that
  • [3:53] Mike: that she thinks that we want I want to be as provocative as possible here because we we we told her that you know this is something that
  • [4:04] Mike: it might be interesting to discuss on the show. And so if we really are provocative maybe she'll be more inclined to explain the squirting quotes to us live.
  • [4:04] Mike: Be
  • [4:06] Keith: as outrageous as possible,
  • [4:07] Mike: right?
  • [4:10] Keith: Yes. I am
  • [4:12] Keith: basically positive.
  • [4:16] Keith: it's p of course it is.
  • [4:19] Mike: You guys have both been with people who squirted before. Right?
  • [4:20] Mike: Like do you
  • [4:21] Keith: feel allegedly
  • [4:27] Mike: allegedly do you feel like it was like it was it like close enough like where you could smell it taste it all that good stuff now.
  • [4:33] Keith: It was not close enough. I mean it was close enough where I could have tasted it but I elected not to. Since it is P
  • [4:37] Mike: but you can smell it
  • [4:38] Keith: smell
  • [4:39] Mike: it smell like me.
  • [4:41] Keith: Well
  • [4:54] Keith: P. Has like a wide range of smelling like if you are properly hydrated and haven't eaten anything strange like asparagus it smells it's fairly odorless
  • [4:57] Keith: miners anyway.
  • [4:59] Keith: Okay.
  • [5:02] Keith: Right.
  • [5:07] Mike: I don't know. I think just p has it's like only it just has its own smelling just you're like it is. I wouldn't
  • [5:08] Keith: I wouldn't mistake it for water.
  • [5:13] Mike: Right. Exactly. But it's not like sports, not water just coming out of your body.
  • [5:17] Keith: I don't Okay. I think what you're asking is
  • [5:19] Keith: was there anything different about the smell
  • [5:20] Mike: that
  • [5:25] Keith: implied that it may not have been urine.
  • [5:28] Keith: Not that I recall. Not that I recall.
  • [5:31] Mike: I mean but to be fair there's already a lot of
  • [5:37] Mike: well not maybe not a lot of but there's already various or some other sense going on. And so like
  • [5:38] Mike: I mean
  • [5:39] Mike: and for starters like
  • [5:42] Mike: you know that area of the woman's body already
  • [5:48] Mike: the smell of that. The odor. The smell of that area of the woman's body is already influenced by. P.
  • [5:49] Mike: Right.
  • [5:50] Keith: Sure. And
  • [5:53] Mike: so it wouldn't necessarily be that different from,
  • [6:02] Mike: look at the issue here is more like the basic and fundamental issue that there is not a storage mechanism in the female body for some fluid. That's not pee.
  • [6:06] Mike: What I'm interested in is the
  • [6:06] Keith: I
  • [6:08] Mike: guess purported
  • [6:13] Mike: evolutionary benefit that if that humans would get from this behavior.
  • [6:17] Mike: So um if I'm to understand it correctly,
  • [6:27] Mike: um when a woman is really really excited, really super around really in the zone with a guy then and only then her body has this behavior where it's going to expel a fluid which will
  • [6:31] Mike: tend to have an orgasm. Which will tend to
  • [6:43] Mike: uh potentially expel the man's semen and lower the odds, presumably. Or you know. Yeah, it's going to basically introduce a fluid that makes conception potentially more complicated.
  • [6:47] Mike: Uh That doesn't seem right to me.
  • [6:49] Keith: Yeah.
  • [6:55] Mike: Maybe it does make it maybe like if you have maybe if you have some extra fluid in there, like it can mix in with the semen and uh
  • [7:05] Keith: Okay. Is it possible? Okay, so I think we all agree there is not some mysterious sac of fluid that is different
  • [7:06] Keith: from
  • [7:08] Keith: you're in. Right,
  • [7:09] Keith: okay.
  • [7:11] Keith: So yeah, you do agree with that or no, you do not
  • [7:14] Mike: agree with. Could
  • [7:16] Keith: there be
  • [7:19] Keith: some mixing that goes on, like, like
  • [7:22] Keith: like could there be a bubble
  • [7:23] Keith: where
  • [7:28] Keith: urine mixes with whatever the whatever they like
  • [7:32] Keith: whatever the thing that women secrete that that produces lubrication.
  • [7:34] Mike: No,
  • [7:37] Mike: you can check with your your brother in law on anatomy about
  • [7:41] Keith: that. But yeah,
  • [7:42] Keith: because yeah,
  • [7:44] Keith: I mean
  • [7:48] Keith: we were joking before we started recording. Like Yeah. I mean it's not like there's some
  • [7:50] Keith: chemical difference between
  • [8:01] Keith: female squirt ejaculate and and you're and you're in. I can imagine a evolutionary benefit though.
  • [8:02] Mike: What would that
  • [8:03] Mike: be?
  • [8:06] Mike: That's just some fluid that like sort of helps helps along the sperm or something. You
  • [8:10] Keith: know, That's something I guess. But I
  • [8:11] Mike: mean
  • [8:20] Keith: Then everybody would do it. It wouldn't be like, you know, 20% of women or whatever it is. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's higher than that.
  • [8:24] Keith: It could be that.
  • [8:27] Keith: Yeah.
  • [8:32] Keith: Like I think that men, okay if it were true that there were some
  • [8:38] Keith: other substance, some other fluid that women ejaculated and it was
  • [8:48] Keith: not urine and it was yeah, it could be evolutionarily beneficial because it massages the man's ego to be able to
  • [8:50] Keith: cause that. And that could have some benefits.
  • [8:51] Keith: I mean,
  • [9:00] Mike: I don't know, I can imagine that's completely cultural. I can imagine a culture where instead men when they get peed on like would want their woman the woman to be executed or something.
  • [9:04] Mike: It could be the opposite. Like men could find that very offensive and not massage their ego at all.
  • [9:10] Mike: Um I'm interested also in I think Alyssa could obviously as a woman could uniquely tell us whether.
  • [9:19] Mike: I mean, I think my impression before we started recording was that she felt I was off base with you didn't you just read the person's question. But one of the things I said in replying to the person
  • [9:20] Mike: was
  • [9:37] Mike: talking about this notion that maybe there's a wider range of possible experiences of peeing for a woman than a man. Now, I mean a man's equipment is set up so that uh you know that he has to travel significantly longer distance and that means that like you know, it sort of standardizes the amount of flow that can run through it.
  • [9:38] Mike: Ah
  • [9:44] Mike: you know it there's not that much range of motion. I mean you can squeeze your penis to make it sort of like
  • [9:50] Mike: to regulate the flow I suppose. But like in terms of like this geyser thing is not particularly possible,
  • [9:55] Mike: but I could imagine that for a woman maybe if you go to the bathroom and you really really have to go,
  • [10:03] Mike: maybe there are situations where like a much larger amount of pee comes out say per unit time than in a normal experience of peeing
  • [10:16] Mike: because like you don't have so much piping that it has to run through. Like it's it's a pretty short so you can sort of expand, expand the piping a little bit and you do get a geyser like experience, can you comment on that Alyssa.
  • [10:30] Mike: I don't think my experience is quite different from when I. P. Versus how you guys would be. I mean generally when I go to the bathroom even if like my body is like really full and I have to go like it's just you know it just comes out. The urethra is just one long stream. Like maybe
  • [10:36] Mike: the pressure would be more but it's not like a geyser like experience. It's just it doesn't. Do
  • [10:38] Keith: you think my guys or she was talking about
  • [10:39] Mike: the
  • [10:41] Keith: flow rate or
  • [10:41] Mike: or that
  • [10:43] Keith: it was pulsing?
  • [10:45] Mike: I took it to be florida. But yeah,
  • [10:49] Keith: I think I think she means it was pulsing.
  • [10:49] Keith: I think
  • [10:53] Mike: that's a pretty sophisticated knowledge of geysers there keith but maybe
  • [11:03] Keith: I've been I've been to Yellowstone and Iceland and there's actually volcanoes in dominica and we climbed one yesterday. So I am that I am. In fact it's
  • [11:04] Mike: really good
  • [11:06] Keith: guys.
  • [11:07] Mike: Back
  • [11:08] Mike: to your uh
  • [11:10] Mike: So Alyssa um
  • [11:18] Mike: it is the case that women, so I mean there is I mean women can't direct the stream as well as men can. I mean that's a that's a concrete thing.
  • [11:21] Mike: Well no we don't have a separate dependence to do that.
  • [11:23] Mike: Right? And so it's going to sort of
  • [11:34] Mike: spray around potentially more. I mean like let me let me ask this like I mean if you have a large amount of pee you need to output versus a small amount of a large amount will do. the stream is much more directed? Right.
  • [11:36] Mike: Yeah. I mean
  • [11:45] Mike: I just when I think guys are like, I'm thinking like, you know when you like have like a like a like a hose outside you put your thumb on it and just start squirting everywhere. That's what I imagine. Like you guys are like experiences.
  • [11:49] Keith: We have three different different interpretations of her
  • [11:57] Keith: using the word geyser. I think she means saying you think you mean a ton at once and you think you mean a bigger you think she means a bigger spray pattern?
  • [12:03] Mike: That's what that's what I imagine. Because even if
  • [12:06] Mike: that's true, this is why I suggested we could interrogate her.
  • [12:09] Keith: I think I think
  • [12:20] Keith: okay, can we just can we for the sake of argument say she meant pulsing because I think that's the most interesting thing to interrogate because I think that's different than the normal paying experience. Like I couldn't really
  • [12:24] Keith: pulse my urine even if I wanted to. Like I could.
  • [12:31] Keith: But like in some of the videos you see of people squirting it pulses in a way that I'm not sure that I could do
  • [12:33] Mike: like a sprinkler.
  • [12:37] Keith: Yeah, sort of. Yeah. Yeah. Those sprinklers that are like,
  • [12:38] Keith: you know those
  • [12:40] Mike: Yeah, I can't do that with my P
  • [12:44] Keith: Okay. But okay. Wait, you have squirted
  • [12:48] Keith: Once, multiple? More than one. How many times in your life?
  • [12:53] Mike: Twice? Very far apart. Different partners.
  • [12:53] Keith: It
  • [12:55] Mike: was not a geiser? Like experience.
  • [12:59] Mike: So Alyssa before those times, how much, how many,
  • [13:03] Mike: how many glasses of water would you say you drank?
  • [13:05] Keith: I
  • [13:08] Mike: can't I can't recall. No, but I remember.
  • [13:12] Keith: Can I? Yes, can I disclose a little bit? Something about your
  • [13:14] Keith: you're peeing frequency
  • [13:16] Mike: frequency. My goodness. Oh my God. Yes. Absolutely.
  • [13:19] Keith: Okay. She pees a lot.
  • [13:23] Keith: But she always has to pee in spirit not literally.
  • [13:25] Keith: So
  • [13:27] Keith: I'm
  • [13:27] Mike: okay.
  • [13:32] Keith: I don't like can you play the like bad cop here? Like that's questioning.
  • [13:34] Mike: I'm
  • [13:46] Mike: not questioning, I'm not questioning it. Like my my interpretation. Okay. I have some questions when you, in both cases, when you did it was during an actual legitimate orgasm? You had
  • [13:52] Mike: The 2nd 1. Yes, the 1st 1. No. And that's why I had thought I had, I thought I had peed myself and I was just like poof.
  • [13:55] Mike: So I'm like, look. But it was weird though because I had
  • [13:58] Mike: it was really it was really close to my face at one point. This doesn't smell anything like
  • [13:59] Keith: what was close to your face? So
  • [13:59] Mike: that squirt
  • [14:02] Keith: whatever the the mysterious
  • [14:08] Mike: mysterious clear fluid. And it was just like a tiny bit. So I thought like did I pee myself a little bit. And
  • [14:13] Keith: If you normally p 10 units, how many units was this? Little bit?
  • [14:14] Mike: It was like just a small amount
  • [14:15] Keith: of one unit. Like it
  • [14:16] Mike: was just like a
  • [14:17] Mike: like
  • [14:30] Mike: just like a little squirt? Like a clear fluid? It was really small. And that's why I was like, did I pee myself? Because I imagine if, like, if you go, it's just, it's just going to continuously flow, right? It's like, I've never been able to stop myself from being.
  • [14:34] Keith: Yeah, I mean, it is the opinion of the editors that you did to yourself.
  • [14:39] Mike: I thought so, but it was just, it was just like a small amount and what didn't happen during an orgasm.
  • [14:41] Keith: It didn't happen during orgasm.
  • [14:42] Mike: And the second time it did
  • [14:44] Keith: substantially aroused
  • [14:45] Mike: even
  • [14:46] Keith: without me,
  • [14:50] Keith: wow, this is just getting gross.
  • [14:51] Keith: Have to digest the
  • [14:52] Mike: kiss somebody before you.
  • [14:55] Keith: Yes, Okay, so, uh
  • [14:56] Keith: and then,
  • [14:59] Keith: okay, so there was that time,
  • [15:01] Keith: what happened the second time,
  • [15:09] Mike: the second time, it was a little bit more, but again, not, it wasn't like a stream of fluid or anything, it was just, I don't even know how to explain. It was just like
  • [15:13] Mike: just a couple of little, like spurts of water.
  • [15:31] Mike: Yeah, like pulses. And I thought maybe that the reason why it was pulsing was because, you know, it was with the orgasm obviously, like they were fingering me and so there was like, you know, there was something going in and out of me. So I thought maybe that's what the pulsing was from and again, I thought maybe I peed myself because I had said something before
  • [15:38] Mike: to the guy, I was just like, I feel like I have to pee myself to go to the restaurant and he goes no no no that's just your G spot. And was like hmm I don't know
  • [15:40] Mike: mm hmm.
  • [15:45] Mike: But again it just didn't smell and didn't taste like didn't taste like anything. So I was just like
  • [15:47] Keith: you tasted it.
  • [15:57] Mike: So what did the guy look like? How
  • [15:58] Keith: I
  • [16:02] Mike: was just asking the question on keith's behalf. We should we should we should move on keith. Yeah
  • [16:03] Keith: we should. We should. Yeah,
  • [16:05] Mike: okay.
  • [16:10] Keith: I don't I'm not hearing anything there. That is a significant
  • [16:14] Keith: ah argument in favor of the
  • [16:19] Keith: of the theory that it is a different fluid than urine. Are you are you mike?
  • [16:23] Mike: No, I mean if it's a very small amount, I think that makes it possible. You know more
  • [16:32] Mike: plausible. But it's something that that like I mean there are various glands that have secretions. Like if it's a very small amount of like then they're not going to get as big of an argument for me. It's when it's like a
  • [16:33] Mike: large quantity,
  • [16:36] Mike: you know what do I mean by large quantities.
  • [16:39] Mike: I don't know like more than
  • [16:41] Mike: I want to say. Like, you know a few thimbles full.
  • [16:46] Mike: It's kind of like a microscopic amount. I feel like a reasonable amount of time in
  • [16:51] Keith: every other episode. We have a discussion of volume now. Didn't we get into like CCS last time.
  • [16:52] Mike: Yeah.
  • [16:56] Keith: Alright this is boring. Let's move on.
  • [16:58] Keith: Okay,
  • [17:10] Keith: This person unread. It says I and and he's a 19 year old male just found out that my girlfriend, an 18 year old female, used my toothbrush to masturbate. And then
  • [17:11] Mike: which end?
  • [17:19] Keith: It's a great question. Great clarifying question and it is discussed. So it's not discussed in this thread, but it's it's the number two comments.
  • [17:35] Keith: Okay, given that she's it's a little bit confusing here. So, bear with me, given that she's my sister's childhood best friend. Tess has been over at my place since we were kids. We've been dating for a month now. Okay, so she was over all the time while they were growing up, but they've been dating for just a month.
  • [17:36] Mike: That sounds hot.
  • [17:46] Keith: If she did it after we got together, I would be perfectly fine with it. So he's revealing that she was masturbating with his toothbrush before they were dating.
  • [17:46] Mike: However,
  • [17:53] Keith: she's been using my toothbrush to masturbate during sleepovers for two years before asking me out, I found out after she and my sister got drunk and laughed about it.
  • [17:58] Keith: Now I feel a bit weirded out. I'm not piste or anything, just a little miffed.
  • [18:10] Keith: How should I process this piece of news? So for a long time listeners will remember, mike's discussed with even the notion of sharing toothbrushes in the same mouth.
  • [18:15] Keith: I'm guessing this this is even worse, in your view.
  • [18:22] Mike: It depends on what part of the toothbrush was used. I also wanted to mention that my sister once dated my childhood friend.
  • [18:23] Keith: Did you know
  • [18:24] Mike: I know.
  • [18:25] Mike: Do
  • [18:28] Keith: you know if she did she have access to his toothbrush?
  • [18:30] Mike: I don't know.
  • [18:36] Mike: It's a very it's a tricky situation because you don't want to hear all that when you know, it's it's tricky. Right.
  • [18:46] Keith: Right. Right. So somebody asked which end and this guy says the original poster said bristles end. And then the next comments are, oh no. Oh, no.
  • [18:47] Keith: How
  • [18:49] Mike: would you use? Yeah.
  • [18:50] Keith: Can you speculate at all? Alyssa
  • [18:52] Mike: wasn't an electric toothbrush.
  • [18:54] Mike: It's got to be,
  • [19:01] Keith: I mean, if it's if it's an electric toothbrush or even less incentivized to use the bristles and you want to use the vibrating handle?
  • [19:04] Mike: No, this isn't the person than the one that vibrates.
  • [19:06] Keith: They have put the motor in the handle.
  • [19:07] Mike: That's true.
  • [19:08] Mike: Mm hmm.
  • [19:15] Keith: You're right. I mean, the motor the motor is vibrating the head. But but the motor itself is in is in the whatever they handle the base.
  • [19:21] Mike: If they're using the if they're following dentist's instructions, it would be a soft bristled toothbrush.
  • [19:30] Mike: So does that make it any better? I mean, do you think, would it be, I don't think I would want a toothbrush? The bristles and of the toothbrush massaging the
  • [19:31] Mike: tip of my penis.
  • [19:35] Mike: I imagine that would just like callus over mike, my clitoris or something. It's just,
  • [19:36] Keith: yeah, it
  • [19:39] Mike: sounds doesn't sound comfortable bristles and
  • [19:44] Mike: yeah, I think I need clarification. Or was he she massaging it with her clitoris? Or was she putting the toothbrush inside of her?
  • [19:48] Keith: We didn't we don't have that level of detail, unfortunately.
  • [19:50] Keith: Mm hmm.
  • [19:59] Keith: Imagine if the sexes were reversed and some dude was jizz ng on his friend's sister's toothbrush for two years.
  • [20:00] Keith: What do you think the reaction to that would be?
  • [20:03] Mike: Wait, she was masturbating with it for two years.
  • [20:06] Keith: Yes. Two years before they started dating.
  • [20:08] Mike: Oh, I missed that.
  • [20:09] Keith: Yeah.
  • [20:17] Mike: Huh. I think people would get very upset. There would be a lot of condemnation of the guy. I mean,
  • [20:18] Mike: yeah.
  • [20:21] Keith: Yeah, She she also would have been a miner. And yeah,
  • [20:25] Mike: I can't believe that she just like, let him she just told him this.
  • [20:28] Keith: Yeah. I think she doesn't realize like how appalling that is.
  • [20:31] Mike: It's also weird that her friend also knows this too. Like,
  • [20:34] Mike: they were laughing about it while they were drinking.
  • [20:35] Keith: She
  • [20:42] Mike: knew. So his sister knew the entire time that she, her best friend was masturbating with her brother's toothbrush and they're just laughing about it. Just
  • [20:43] Mike: Mhm.
  • [20:50] Mike: Maybe she liked the sort of tingle feel of the toothpaste, the residual toothpaste. Try to give her just a little
  • [20:51] Mike: tingle in her.
  • [20:53] Mike: Like, you know, have
  • [20:55] Keith: you ever used peppermint soap
  • [20:57] Keith: dr Bronner's has the most like
  • [20:59] Keith: uh common peppermint. So
  • [21:02] Mike: it was called it was called dr boners.
  • [21:03] Keith: It doesn't
  • [21:04] Mike: look like
  • [21:07] Keith: it's peppermint tea
  • [21:12] Keith: and I don't like using it because it, like, feels a little weird on my penis.
  • [21:13] Mike: I had, so I
  • [21:15] Keith: I
  • [21:26] Mike: worked at a company where they had that soap. It wasn't that, I'm sure it was a much cheaper version in the locker room for the gym. Yes, it was a company that had, like a gym that you could use
  • [21:29] Mike: very nice, but
  • [21:33] Mike: I mentioned to
  • [21:35] Mike: a couple of folks
  • [21:48] Mike: that it tingled a bit, and I remember saying it tingled and then I remember wanting it to keep it G rated. It's like, oh my face, my face, and one of the women really
  • [21:53] Mike: one of the women who was there when I said this was like at lunch or something really perked up and I could tell you,
  • [21:55] Keith: we
  • [22:07] Mike: had a connection, you know, we had a connection that she had been tingled as well, but so I don't know, I could imagine the sensation on a woman being more aggressive than on a man, but I don't actually know,
  • [22:17] Mike: I'm sure you've keith have had this experience of having, like, a liquid soap, like if you use a liquid soap as a man, you have to keep your penis pointed down typically
  • [22:18] Keith: because
  • [22:23] Mike: if you don't, you can actually wind up introducing the soap into the
  • [22:24] Mike: uh huh
  • [22:26] Mike: meet us,
  • [22:27] Keith: which
  • [22:30] Mike: is the little hole at the end of your penis. Yeah,
  • [22:31] Keith: it hurts,
  • [22:43] Mike: it hurts a lot and it actually one of the things that can happen for the, I guess we have a number of women listeners now. Uh one of things that can happen for the man that made probably women don't experience is like, it's actually a stealth pain
  • [22:51] Mike: Stealthy because it actually doesn't hurt when it happens and then maybe like 30 minutes later when you go to p it really hurts. Have you had this experience keith?
  • [22:55] Keith: I don't know what you mean, you mean the one with soap? Yes. Yeah,
  • [22:59] Mike: the soap one, but also like the stealth thing where like, it doesn't actually hurt until you pee later.
  • [23:03] Keith: Yeah, it's like the introduction of the fluid that changes the
  • [23:09] Mike: Yeah, and so like you, so basically, like, whenever you pee later, you immediately think you have like, herpes
  • [23:14] Mike: is her piece, the one that gives you that pain keith might know.
  • [23:15] Keith: Uh
  • [23:20] Keith: I think it's a
  • [23:26] Keith: okay, what's what's the local media? It's chlamydia, I think,
  • [23:27] Mike: yeah, drip dick,
  • [23:29] Keith: right,
  • [23:34] Mike: Do women get this kind of experience with the soft, softer soaps or the toothpaste or whatever?
  • [23:40] Mike: No, I mean, I like I use minty soap and I use minty soap to clean. It actually feels like really nice. It does feel really tingly.
  • [23:51] Mike: Um Some people don't like it though, I mean, I think I was with one of my girlfriends in Mexico and she had used my soap and she came out and she was like, oh my God, my vagina burns, so it depends
  • [24:04] Keith: My worst experience on this axis was I was in, I was in Jordan's and I was swimming in the dead sea, which is, you know, like, I don't know, 20 times saltier than the oceans or something.
  • [24:05] Keith: And
  • [24:09] Keith: yeah, I could feel the water, I don't know how it got up there,
  • [24:20] Keith: osmosis or something like on the tip of my penis and it's so salty that it, that it burns. It was not, not a great experience. Okay, let's go
  • [24:21] Mike: back to the toothbrush.
  • [24:24] Keith: Yeah, Well, I mean, look, the toothbrush
  • [24:25] Keith: dive,
  • [24:28] Keith: whatever. That's weird. I think we just know that's weird and you shouldn't
  • [24:31] Keith: do it. I have a post from
  • [24:35] Keith: and it being master panic with your partner's toothbrush,
  • [24:36] Keith: you know,
  • [24:37] Keith: do that. Do you
  • [24:41] Mike: know, I don't think you would care,
  • [24:44] Keith: Probably wouldn't, but could you use like maybe not the bristles and
  • [24:46] Keith: fine.
  • [25:03] Keith: Okay, this is from the sugar lifestyle forum and we haven't lifted a comment from here for a while, but I like this one. Is it possible to walk back and I love you without destroying a sugar relationship? This person has a 23 year old female sugar baby. He says a few days ago,
  • [25:08] Keith: he says, the sugar baby a few days ago said, I love you while giving me a blowjob and I set it back
  • [25:20] Keith: Second time. It's happened first time was 12 years ago happened during sex and I ended up getting married, two kids divorced right after I shot my load I do, I funked up again. If history holds true, she's going to start inviting herself over whenever
  • [25:29] Keith: we're already texting a lot more with that line. I have another sugar baby driving in next week for an overnight and it'll be on my mind the entire time that she'll just pop in
  • [25:40] Keith: right now. I'm like the old lady in the notebook, I'm thinking clearly right now and I know I funked up. Any advice is appreciated in my moment of clarity. I don't know how much time I have left. I really don't want to end it if possible.
  • [25:49] Mike: I don't know, I don't know much time I have left. I would have, if I were him, I would definitely have interpreted that she, that the, you in that sentence was the penis,
  • [25:52] Mike: in other words, she's declaring her affection for his penis.
  • [25:57] Keith: Oh, I love you, I love you during a blow job. That's like a weird time to say
  • [25:58] Mike: it
  • [26:00] Keith: the first time.
  • [26:06] Mike: It's aggressive. It's like, it's like, it's, it's because she's got her mouth near your penis so there's some risk
  • [26:09] Mike: and uh, it's,
  • [26:18] Keith: yeah, you definitely have to return it, you have to, I mean, even if you didn't want to say it, even if he had clarity, even in that moment, he might have elected to say it because
  • [26:30] Keith: yeah, obviously the thing he should have done if he was going to be a real kind of hardcore mature sugar daddy would be to reply. I know han solo
  • [26:31] Mike: han solo reply. Yes,
  • [26:33] Keith: right?
  • [26:34] Mike: She timed it right though. Just mid
  • [26:36] Keith: blowjob,
  • [26:37] Mike: love you. She
  • [26:46] Keith: had tracked him. The comments here point out the obvious. Well, the first one says, sorry man, it's too late. You're past the deadline for backtracking will have to get married and have at least two kids
  • [26:48] Mike: now.
  • [26:51] Keith: Um, and then yeah, I mean the responsible answer is
  • [27:04] Keith: just because she said bibbidi bobbidi boo doesn't make you make you a frog or her Gandalf the Gray tell the people that you love, you love them as often as possible. Life goes by fast and you're in the good old days right now. So leave those days intensely and passionately.
  • [27:24] Keith: You both still get to have boundaries. Neither of you should cross them because you don't show up to someone by crossing the boundaries. If you cross the doors, tell her, hey, you can't just show up. I love you. But this is my personal space, would not pop in on you or do other things you don't like, please don't do that to me. This is actually not the right advice. I mean it's directionally correct, but he has this emergency, which is, he told her
  • [27:33] Keith: she's getting increasingly clingy and he anticipates this risk that she's just going to show up and he needs a way to
  • [27:36] Keith: stop that from happening and
  • [27:41] Keith: he used the two choices as walking back the I love you or breaking up with her
  • [27:46] Keith: but he doesn't want to have the adult conversation which is listen I have multiple partners.
  • [27:47] Keith: Ah
  • [27:50] Mike: So it sounds like he hasn't disclosed he has multiple sugar babies to her.
  • [27:54] Keith: That's correct.
  • [28:02] Mike: It just it just kind of sounds like he doesn't have the tools to be able to have a conversation with her and say like hey like I know we said this, here's some boundaries.
  • [28:09] Mike: You know everything's fine. It just kind of sounds like he just wants to pretend like nothing happened and or just break up with her because I don't want to deal with it,
  • [28:15] Keith: assume his intuition is correct, assume his intuition is correct and that if he tells her that she will break up with him.
  • [28:18] Keith: Mhm.
  • [28:20] Keith: one is the morally obligated to tell her
  • [28:22] Keith: two.
  • [28:25] Keith: I assume you're going to say yes to that. You think you should tell her?
  • [28:32] Mike: I think you should. But you always disagree with me. I think the best way is just to be honest and then whatever happens happens
  • [28:33] Keith: honest
  • [28:51] Mike: about like just honest about his feelings. You know just about like he he thinks that she's going to cross the boundaries that he doesn't want to go through A B and C. But it kind of sounds like he doesn't have like the capacity to do that because it sounds like the last time he said I love you too. Somebody he he just ended up marrying them because he didn't want to deal with it and have that hard conversation with her,
  • [29:01] Mike: Alyssa, I assume that you can like you can see that your desire for honesty and transparency in these situations. You can see that like it's
  • [29:04] Mike: I assume you can see that that's conditioned on
  • [29:08] Mike: the fact that like probably for you like it's not, I mean that
  • [29:13] Mike: the mere ability to find such a partner
  • [29:14] Mike: ah
  • [29:14] Keith: is
  • [29:24] Mike: much easier for you than it might be for this this particular person posting right. And so like I think you're viewing like the downside risk of the honesty is like pretty low.
  • [29:26] Mike: Maybe you disagree with that.
  • [29:26] Mike: No,
  • [29:28] Mike: I I agree agree with
  • [29:29] Mike: my
  • [29:32] Mike: my I agree that my experience is different.
  • [29:36] Mike: Oh no, no I'm not. But basically like for a guy
  • [29:39] Mike: and particularly in this situation, like
  • [29:44] Mike: he also values honesty generally in his life but I assume
  • [29:45] Mike: but
  • [29:53] Mike: he's looking at this massive downside because he's thinking to himself like it might take me two years to find another partner of this high
  • [30:00] Mike: physical quality. Um and then that that's you know, I think I think that's the main reason why men
  • [30:03] Mike: are dishonest in these situations because they,
  • [30:07] Mike: it's more complicated for them to find another woman willing to have sex with them
  • [30:12] Mike: than it is for a what would it be for an equivalent woman to find a man to have sex with her,
  • [30:13] Keith: anyone
  • [30:15] Mike: have any thoughts on there? Maybe you disagree.
  • [30:31] Mike: No, I mean like I understand that my of course my experience is different than other people's experience, right? Like you know what I value, like what I would do is different than what other people would. So I'm not like who am I to say? But it does kind of but it does sound like he does have multiple partners so I think he's fine in that regard.
  • [30:32] Mike: That's true.
  • [30:33] Keith: Yeah, he may be.
  • [30:34] Mike: I just
  • [30:42] Keith: think I just think his intuition that partner number one will respond badly to
  • [30:46] Keith: telling her that he has multiple partners is probably correct.
  • [30:49] Keith: I'm not sure. I mean
  • [30:49] Mike: the
  • [30:53] Keith: details here matter like he might be like
  • [30:57] Keith: in sugar relationships, there's all different kinds of things that like
  • [30:59] Keith: constitute value to either party
  • [31:10] Keith: for both parties. They would probably prefer that their partner only be sleeping with them for the man, they would probably prefer that the woman only be dating them. And so
  • [31:14] Keith: people might say various lives
  • [31:18] Keith: so as to increase their value in the eye of the other person.
  • [31:29] Keith: And I don't know if that's moral or just but I think you see this kind of thing on the sugar lifestyle for them a lot where people are like well yeah, I have this like ethical issue
  • [31:34] Keith: and you know he knows what the proper ethics are but in execution
  • [31:38] Keith: it could make things much much much harder without telling
  • [31:44] Mike: lies that should have been established early on those, it should have been now. He's just kind of in a pickle.
  • [31:47] Mike: So in the case that you guys were in a situation
  • [31:55] Mike: where you said, I love you accidentally too soon. How would you walk back the I love you.
  • [31:57] Keith: You can't,
  • [32:01] Mike: I would do the thing, I would do that. Like there's this thing you can do. Like let's say that um
  • [32:03] Mike: let's say that you're like
  • [32:07] Mike: walking down the street, let's say you're doing something embarrassing.
  • [32:12] Mike: Like the thing I was thinking of is like you're walking down the street and you're like, you know like your your your
  • [32:16] Mike: yeah, you're thinking over something and you're like, you're talking yourself a little bit out loud.
  • [32:31] Mike: That's a pretty normal thing. And like somebody is there and you don't know they're there and it's sort of embarrassing and you're like, oh and then maybe you'll like do it, you like act like you were singing a song or you like do some other behavior to like imply that like you weren't doing what you're doing. So what you could do is you could just like start saying it a lot,
  • [32:41] Mike: right? Just like, you could, you could just like, you could, you could tell, you could in front of them tell the cashier, you love them, tell them later at a restaurant, you love them and just start saying it to everybody,
  • [32:44] Keith: your devaluating the, I love
  • [32:50] Mike: Exactly. You just destroyed. Just yeah. You know like it's like the federal government, you just inflate out, you inflate out.
  • [32:52] Mike: You start printing. I love you, you
  • [32:54] Keith: make it worth a Russian ruble or whatever.
  • [32:59] Mike: That that actually happened to me one time where someone tried to walk back and I love you. Really?
  • [33:00] Keith: Okay, so you said it to him.
  • [33:02] Mike: No, no, they said it to me
  • [33:03] Keith: and you said it back
  • [33:06] Mike: and I well no, I didn't say it back, I didn't say it back. I just said, oh
  • [33:07] Mike: and
  • [33:17] Mike: he basically, he walked back immediately and said, oh, I just tell all of my really close friends that I love them and I was like, well that's good, that's just quick what happened.
  • [33:30] Keith: I don't think people should say I love you unless they have some confidence that the other person already thinks that like you can't, you shouldn't ambush people into because there is no, you can't say
  • [33:35] Keith: there is no polite way to decline somebody saying that they love you.
  • [33:36] Mike: Yeah, no, there was no polite
  • [33:38] Keith: way.
  • [33:41] Mike: Oh, you actually wanted to decline it to melissa. Oh,
  • [33:42] Mike: I did decline it. I just know,
  • [33:45] Keith: what did you want him to not thinking about you as well
  • [33:54] Mike: to say to like not love me. Oh yeah, no, that was, I mean established really early on. So I was just really taken aback when it happened. I was just like um
  • [34:13] Mike: that's not supposed to happen. And then I kind of told him was like maybe we should stop? Like, you know, like having sex for a while and see how that goes? You know? And he was like, oh I just tell all my really close friends that I love them. Okay. So he walked it back really fast, but it sounds like this guy here, kind of,
  • [34:13] Mike: he's
  • [34:15] Keith: not going to,
  • [34:18] Mike: there is no good way to walk it back.
  • [34:23] Keith: All right. Next topic. Uh We haven't talked about pegging for a while.
  • [34:27] Keith: Uh This person says my girlfriend wants to do pegging.
  • [34:30] Keith: Sure, that's the right verb construction there.
  • [34:33] Keith: My girlfriend wants to perform pagan
  • [34:34] Mike: wants to peg me,
  • [34:48] Keith: wants to peg me. My girlfriend has been asking me for some time to do pegging. I don't feel comfortable trying it. And I told her I wouldn't like doing it. She's still asking me to do that. And she also told me that sooner or later I'm going to wake up with a dildo in my ass.
  • [34:50] Keith: What should I do?
  • [34:51] Mike: Was this year that posted?
  • [34:55] Keith: Wait,
  • [34:56] Mike: I want to hear more about this.
  • [34:58] Keith: No. Are
  • [35:01] Mike: you Alice? Are you pressuring keith into accepting pegging?
  • [35:04] Mike: No, I was joking. But if he wants to try.
  • [35:05] Keith: No, no,
  • [35:05] Keith: he
  • [35:07] Mike: won't let me near his butthole at all. So that's
  • [35:08] Keith: fine.
  • [35:08] Keith: But
  • [35:12] Mike: you would be up for it though. If it were if he were interested, you would be up for
  • [35:14] Keith: Alyssa.
  • [35:15] Mike: Have you done this before?
  • [35:16] Mike: I can't remember.
  • [35:18] Mike: You might have told us. Okay,
  • [35:19] Mike: Okay.
  • [35:23] Keith: Do you think you would enjoy it or do you think you would enjoy me potentially enjoying it?
  • [35:25] Mike: I would enjoy my partner enjoying it 100%.
  • [35:28] Keith: It wouldn't feel like empowering. You wouldn't enjoy the dominance.
  • [35:37] Mike: I don't know. I mean, I've never been in that situation, I've been in dominant, I've been in like the dominant role before and I've enjoyed it, but mostly just because my partner was really enjoying it.
  • [35:39] Keith: Okay,
  • [35:44] Mike: so when you're dominating a man, keith, a man, whatever. What do you do?
  • [35:46] Mike: Um
  • [35:52] Mike: Like it's it's usually just like dirt like just dirty talk or you know,
  • [36:04] Mike: be like, you know being on top like a little bit of like rough play. But that's usually just a little asked for it. You know, I don't really like being in that role. But if like my partners are really into it and they really enjoy it then Yeah. It
  • [36:06] Mike: doesn't kind of gross you out a little bit.
  • [36:08] Mike: No.
  • [36:09] Mike: Mhm.
  • [36:12] Keith: It doesn't feel like the person is less masculine
  • [36:15] Mike: when uh huh.
  • [36:15] Keith: They
  • [36:17] Mike: like it. They like it.
  • [36:21] Keith: Yeah. To be clear, this is not on the menu. I am not
  • [36:22] Mike: fine for
  • [36:31] Mike: now.
  • [36:35] Keith: So
  • [36:44] Keith: there's also in this guy's post the threat that he's going to wake up with a dildo in his ass. Ah
  • [36:47] Keith: That's obviously threatening rape, right? We
  • [36:49] Mike: both know. That's
  • [36:51] Keith: okay.
  • [36:54] Keith: Yeah. A lot of times. If you reverse the genders here. I
  • [37:05] Mike: actually felt really bad for him because it kind of sounds like he's just been no, I'm not comfortable with that. And that should have just been a really short conversation. You know, there's like always like, I'm sure if
  • [37:14] Mike: his partner was, you know, trying to like warm up to it or just trying to get more comfortable with it. But it kind of seems like she's been
  • [37:15] Keith: yeah, she's
  • [37:19] Mike: threatening to put a put something inside of him while he's sleeping.
  • [37:19] Keith: Yeah. Well
  • [37:23] Mike: she's threatening. I mean generally, but I mean, I mean to be fair like um
  • [37:28] Mike: well, when you're sleeping and not aware that's different. But I mean in general, like women have to contend
  • [37:38] Mike: all women basically have to contend with the reality that when they want to be in a relationship with a man, they have to contend with the expectation that he's going to put things in their body.
  • [37:39] Keith: Yeah.
  • [37:40] Keith: And how
  • [37:45] Mike: do you tell you tolerate that?
  • [37:45] Keith: You like
  • [37:47] Mike: it course.
  • [37:49] Mike: Yeah.
  • [37:53] Mike: But for men though, you said you never had anything inside of you. So
  • [37:54] Mike: for the most part,
  • [37:55] Mike: at least from
  • [37:56] Keith: the explicit part
  • [37:57] Mike: part,
  • [37:58] Mike: right?
  • [37:59] Keith: But
  • [38:01] Mike: you won't know until you try it.
  • [38:04] Keith: I think I can simulate
  • [38:11] Keith: whether or not I will enjoy being pegged. I don't know, we we've talked about this a little bit. I mean it is possible that,
  • [38:18] Keith: you know, something like a prostate massage or something might be this like level of pleasure that I've never experienced or at least
  • [38:24] Keith: compelling in a way that I've never experienced, I allow for that possibility, but
  • [38:26] Keith: I'm just sort of
  • [38:27] Keith: not,
  • [38:36] Mike: I think there's levels to it, right? Like you wouldn't just go straight into pegging, like there'd probably be, you know, like maybe a finger and then graduate into something else like applause
  • [38:39] Keith: situation for
  • [38:40] Keith: people.
  • [38:41] Keith: Yes,
  • [39:02] Mike: Alyssa, was there ever a time in your life when the notion of things being introduced in your body, like this sort of bothered you and there was something that kind of like turned you turned the corner for you, like was there when you were younger, maybe a lot younger would sort of creep you out, You're like, oh I don't that doesn't seem like something I would want to have happen and then something changed or was it always like, oh yeah, that sounds great,
  • [39:05] Mike: I can't think of a moment where I was just like, oh gross, No, I mean
  • [39:08] Mike: I started, I feel like I started, I started masturbating really young
  • [39:10] Mike: um
  • [39:11] Mike: and
  • [39:16] Mike: to do that, I had to start putting things inside of myself, so it was mostly just like using my fingers
  • [39:22] Mike: um So I think being comfortable with like with my body in that way, it didn't, they didn't seem too intimidating.
  • [39:23] Keith: I
  • [39:31] Mike: think more of like the performance aspect is what was more intimidating to me because you know, you start watching porn, you know, and then like the women in the porn just doing gymnastics and was like jesus, like you
  • [39:32] Keith: wouldn't be good enough. I
  • [39:39] Mike: was worried. Yeah, I was more of the performative aspect, not of having something inside of me because I already had put things inside of me previously.
  • [39:39] Keith: Yeah.
  • [39:47] Mike: So maybe what what society should do as much as societies normalizing?
  • [39:48] Mike: Um
  • [40:00] Mike: different sort of gender situations like transgender and gay, lesbian and all these different things for younger Children. Maybe society also should encourage men or young boys to explore
  • [40:06] Mike: in this way to normalize insertion of objects.
  • [40:07] Keith: Mm hmm
  • [40:11] Mike: I don't know. Would you guys try?
  • [40:15] Mike: Well as a young boy? I might have
  • [40:15] Mike: forgot
  • [40:31] Mike: that's the thing. And so maybe maybe not. I was actually being facetious that you guys were looking like, like I was sort of kidding around about like it's like how far, how far is society going to go on this? Uh teaching young, very young people? Uh At what point does it cross the line?
  • [40:42] Mike: Um But anyway, like you basically you're saying like at a very young age, like it became this became normalized for you. And it is possible that like that impressionable age if a boy had it normalized
  • [40:43] Mike: through
  • [40:46] Mike: self play presumably
  • [40:52] Mike: than it would be less of a big deal to them later engage in play like this.
  • [40:52] Mike: So
  • [40:53] Keith: go
  • [40:55] Mike: back and do it again, keith maybe you
  • [40:56] Mike: would swap
  • [41:01] Mike: out your sleeping bag for uh
  • [41:02] Mike: for toothbrush,
  • [41:07] Mike: toothbrush. Yeah, exactly. Your sister's toothbrush,
  • [41:15] Mike: Can you imagine that? Think about that would be the worst. You say your your brother has had his tooth brush your teeth brush up his butt.
  • [41:25] Keith: Yeah. I wonder if she was using, I wonder if she was using his toothbrush because yeah she had to have been using it because she was attracted to him. It was it was like violating his toothbrush or something
  • [41:37] Mike: I guess. I don't know. I've never. Yeah. Well this is like the com box thing. It's just like people just do different like like different things like masturbating but it's just really interesting when they kind of come to light, you're like oh
  • [41:39] Mike: whoa,
  • [41:44] Keith: All right, let's move on. This person says my girlfriend, she is a 20 year old female.
  • [42:03] Keith: My girlfriend's kink is using needles and staples to penetrate her skin. I freaked out. I'm not very experienced in sex or getting. She's my 2nd 2nd girlfriend and sex partner. I know she has a lot of sexual history and had an only fans before which I honestly don't mind because she was really nice to me and she's an interesting person to be with. How magnanimous of him.
  • [42:07] Keith: I know she has some weird kinks but we didn't dive in depth. She knows I'm a bit into B. D. S. M.
  • [42:09] Keith: Until
  • [42:18] Keith: Today came back to home and she was waiting to have sex with me. She used like 20 needles to pierce on everywhere on her face to use staples to pierce on her tits and clit.
  • [42:19] Keith: I freaked out
  • [42:25] Keith: despite my safety concerns. I find this oddly terrifying is that perhaps shows her tendency of self harming.
  • [42:30] Keith: It wasn't hot for me, Not at all. I told her my thoughts and she looks really frustrated,
  • [42:42] Keith: But I also fear to lose her. Besides those kinks, she was hot. Her only fans used to make $4,000 a month without much advertising. Nice, nice and smart. I feel like my refusal to her kinks right?
  • [42:48] Keith: Mark a great division between us and lead us to breaking apart. I fear that what should I do this sentence construction? I was
  • [42:56] Mike: gonna, I was gonna suggest that this is not the best partner until I learned how much she could make an only fans and now I think maybe she's a good partner,
  • [43:16] Keith: Right? Yeah, definitely. His, his entire read is like, she's so freaking hot. I can't decide whether I wouldn't tolerate her blood play. Like what could, what could she do, right? Like what sort of like insane thing could she do? It needs to be like, well, 4000 a month and only fans?
  • [43:20] Mike: Is this maybe like when is this? Like when a woman is
  • [43:22] Mike: really, really attractive,
  • [43:30] Mike: maybe there's so much unwanted attention, maybe that's like, what, what leads to this stuff is like there's so much unwanted attention from men starting at a very young age that they like
  • [43:33] Mike: start wanting to like self harm because
  • [43:40] Mike: they kind of loathed that and want to. Yeah, I mean that's actually what makes me think of, it's like there's some connection there.
  • [43:42] Keith: I wonder if like,
  • [43:51] Keith: I don't know if it's connected to self harm but it might be connected to know I'm not well okay with what it's going to say is that it might be connected to wanting to make herself less attractive.
  • [43:51] Keith: But
  • [43:53] Mike: yeah, that sure,
  • [43:55] Keith: but
  • [44:01] Keith: nobody would find that out until she was naked in front of them with like droplets of blood coming down from her puncture wounds.
  • [44:04] Keith: Like it's too late already.
  • [44:10] Mike: She has to do it and she's doing it privately because it's sort of more socially possible then. I mean if you, if you're like in front of
  • [44:14] Mike: a big department store, just like cutting yourself, you're gonna immediately get put in jail.
  • [44:15] Keith: I
  • [44:24] Mike: think Alyssa might want to comment on the staple in the clit. I assume when people say that they're doing something like that, they're not actually running it through
  • [44:25] Keith: actual
  • [44:32] Mike: clip itself. Like that's not, that's pretty hard to believe, but I saw you cringe when you heard that part,
  • [44:38] Mike: it's I mean it's a sensitive area of the body so I just can't imagine, like maybe it was near the clay. I don't know. I know when
  • [44:47] Mike: you're you pierce the clitoris, There is like a portion of it, like it's not so sensitive and doesn't have as many nerve endings to pierce through. So maybe there is that
  • [44:48] Keith: when people get their people
  • [44:54] Mike: get there like little ears pierced. Yeah and I know like during like certain like pain play when people use like they put
  • [45:02] Mike: you know like needles and or like you know hooks or whatever but there are places in the body you can do it where it's supposed to not harm you or hurt you so
  • [45:04] Keith: maybe she's an expert,
  • [45:08] Mike: an expert. But Alyssa,
  • [45:13] Mike: what is what is the worst thing, what is the worst thing that's ever happened to your clit?
  • [45:13] Keith: The
  • [45:20] Mike: worst thing that ever happened in my clit, jeez
  • [45:20] Keith: I
  • [45:27] Mike: think and that actually hurts.
  • [45:30] Mike: No, I've never had my clitoris cut thank thankfully.
  • [45:30] Keith: And I
  • [45:40] Mike: think the worst thing that just got irritated one time someone had like a like beard stubble and was like just going to town down there and it was just I was in pain for like a week but other than that nothing terrible it wasn't you
  • [45:48] Mike: and when you, okay so if it's in pain for a week what do you do to protect it? You have to like put some gauze over the band aid, Like what do you do a
  • [45:50] Mike: tiny little, like,
  • [45:51] Mike: I don't know,
  • [45:58] Mike: I just I just put some just put something antibiotic ointment down there and just you know just keep it from like chasing more and just let it be,
  • [46:00] Mike: I just didn't touch it for like a week and hope for the best
  • [46:04] Keith: you went a week without masturbating? Yeah, wow,
  • [46:05] Keith: it
  • [46:08] Mike: was fine, I didn't want to anyway.
  • [46:13] Mike: Yeah, Alright, fair enough. Yeah. Alright, so this guy should,
  • [46:18] Keith: I mean maybe it's worth it. Maybe maybe she's, she's just that hot.
  • [46:21] Mike: I like how you constantly putting examples like no, really, she's really, really hot,
  • [46:30] Keith: right? You mentioned it in like four different ways. Okay, this person says I came whilst eating my partner's pussy.
  • [46:38] Keith: So last night my partner and I woke up at about midnight after a loud motorbike drove past our road instead of car alarm off. This guy has good
  • [46:48] Keith: introduction to his story. We proceeded to get comfortable and cuddled for a bit. She then pushed her pussy into my cock and said I'm really wet. I think I was having a sexy dream. We started to kiss and cuddle
  • [46:51] Keith: and a little bit of body kissing, foreplay
  • [47:11] Keith: and then went down, this is gonna be worth reading, Okay, fine, I'm going to finish and then went down on her and she was really into it. Really cute moans and I was really making and it was really making me feel quite masculine to say the least. We continued to work through the motions until she was about to come. I have been with my partner over 12 years, we know each other is about to come stance and I could feel myself reaching that point also,
  • [47:15] Keith: we both came almost simultaneously and it's the most bizarre experience I've ever had.
  • [47:18] Keith: Never ejaculated without physical stimulation
  • [47:20] Keith: and never have issues lasting. So what gives,
  • [47:32] Keith: could I really have been turned on enough to ejaculate just by giving oral sex would be interested to hear other stories slash experiences.
  • [47:34] Mike: Has that ever happened to either of you?
  • [47:43] Mike: If this were a woman, I would say it didn't happen, I just want to say that like, you know, in terms of like being fair and reversing the genders and like asking myself whether I'm fair to
  • [47:48] Mike: Yeah, it's the reason why, like it's hard, it's it's harder to disbelieve the guy is because like,
  • [47:50] Mike: you know, presumably semen came out and so there's
  • [47:51] Keith: like a lot of evidence, but
  • [47:54] Mike: like yeah, I'm a little suspicious of this story
  • [47:56] Mike: like that, maybe he
  • [48:00] Mike: experience something kind of not quite at that level and misinterpreted it,
  • [48:02] Mike: but
  • [48:03] Mike: my
  • [48:04] Keith: guess
  • [48:13] Keith: my guess is that, well, okay, so first of all you do hear stories about people orgasms without physical stimulation, like they'll say they can orgasm
  • [48:24] Mike: hear stories. I've seen, I've seen, I've seen it's not my favorite sort of porn, but I've seen many videos of this, I don't know if you guys have seen this, but like I saw one where
  • [48:26] Mike: a guy is completely flaccid,
  • [48:27] Keith: right? Like
  • [48:30] Mike: nothing going on, he gets an erection and then ejaculate.
  • [48:31] Keith: He's just laying there.
  • [48:32] Mike: Yeah,
  • [48:34] Keith: and there's no, no, no visual stimulation.
  • [48:39] Mike: You can find this this kind of thing pretty easily. Yeah. I don't know how. And also I have to say
  • [48:45] Mike: there was not very much time lag, I mean maybe there was some clever video editing but there was not very much time lag between
  • [48:54] Mike: no the video wasn't that long but it that way. So like he was able to get through the whole process and like under certainly under five minutes probably like under three minutes,
  • [48:56] Keith: wow.
  • [48:57] Mike: Yeah that's
  • [48:58] Keith: aggressive.
  • [49:01] Keith: I mean I can barely masturbate
  • [49:04] Keith: without pornography. So like this the notion of like
  • [49:06] Keith: just
  • [49:07] Keith: yeah like I need,
  • [49:09] Keith: I need
  • [49:12] Keith: well okay I guess there's a different
  • [49:14] Keith: difference between getting aroused
  • [49:16] Keith: and being brought to orgasm.
  • [49:20] Keith: Like I can get aroused without any physical stimulation.
  • [49:21] Keith: But
  • [49:28] Mike: is there some specific thing keith that you need to have happen typically to get to get to get to to the nut land.
  • [49:38] Mike: There's some specifically, he was talking about his stance or posture. Yeah. What's the what's the thing that that's what was the word that the questioner used? What's the stance that you needed to adopt?
  • [49:42] Keith: There's no stance. I'm the same as like most human men find what's
  • [49:45] Mike: the thing that you do to get to get you past there?
  • [49:48] Keith: I like having stimulation on
  • [49:49] Mike: uh the
  • [49:51] Keith: tip of my penis
  • [49:54] Mike: interesting.
  • [49:55] Mike: She's nodding. Yes. Yes.
  • [49:56] Mike: It's the
  • [50:00] Keith: same for everybody like you know like that
  • [50:00] Mike: that's
  • [50:03] Keith: the thing that human males like because I
  • [50:06] Mike: don't think that's right.
  • [50:09] Keith: Oh boy. Alright, go on.
  • [50:13] Mike: I just don't think that, like, I don't think so. I mean, be a little more specific when you see on the
  • [50:14] Keith: tip,
  • [50:18] Mike: do you mean like, you have some sort of, it's
  • [50:25] Keith: not that you can just, like apply pressure at a certain point and it'll do it, like, I guess I like sliding pressure uh
  • [50:32] Keith: on, you know, near the tip of the bottom of ideas. That is that that's the most sensitive
  • [50:33] Keith: area.
  • [50:39] Mike: Okay? So if somebody said you couldn't touch that particular part of your body, could you not get off?
  • [50:41] Keith: I think I still could,
  • [50:44] Keith: but it would be,
  • [50:49] Keith: but it would still have to be on the penis. Like, you can't, I don't think I can orgasm without
  • [50:51] Keith: physical contact on my penis.
  • [50:53] Mike: God,
  • [50:56] Keith: I mean, are you different?
  • [50:58] Mike: I think that I I uh
  • [51:05] Mike: well you have you, I think you have a little, you're questioning your saying you still could without contacting this small region of your penis. I
  • [51:08] Keith: think like, just stroking you could, but you're
  • [51:09] Mike: not sure
  • [51:14] Keith: just stroking the bottom three quarters of my penis. Yeah, I think I probably could.
  • [51:22] Mike: Yeah, I definitely could from that. It would be more, it's more plausible to me than I could that I could than than than it is to you. I think
  • [51:25] Mike: so, there might be a Yeah, actually, I've never like,
  • [51:28] Mike: and thinking about this, I don't think that I have a particular thing that I do
  • [51:30] Keith: that
  • [51:33] Mike: at the end to make it happen. I don't think that's right.
  • [51:36] Mike: No grand finale.
  • [51:39] Keith: It's like what is it that?
  • [51:40] Keith: World wrestling?
  • [51:47] Keith: Yeah W W E. Everybody has their like finishing move you know like the rocket takes off that elbow pad and throws it in the stands and is
  • [51:52] Mike: that right? Yeah. It makes me think of that video game mortal kombat where the guy would rip the other guy's head off or
  • [51:53] Keith: whatever.
  • [51:55] Keith: Yeah fatality
  • [51:56] Mike: fatality. Yes exactly
  • [51:58] Keith: remember
  • [52:01] Mike: that. And then yeah that was back long ago
  • [52:03] Mike: probably before Alyssa was born
  • [52:05] Mike: and they used to have um
  • [52:06] Mike: arcades in the mall.
  • [52:08] Mike: In the mall they don't have malls anymore either.
  • [52:25] Mike: All these words have meaning but anyway you could go to the arcade keith you might be too young for this too and you would go to the arcade and they had that game at the arcade and what I remember about it is that I was pretty young when you could do this. But I remember that like if people played mortal kombat in the arcade and you can play two player and fight each other. If
  • [52:32] Mike: there was some risk if you did a fatality to the wrong guy that he would actually get angry and like attack you in real life. In other words it was considered like
  • [52:35] Mike: because fatalities like you've already won the match but there's
  • [52:37] Keith: nothing you can do
  • [52:45] Mike: right, you can do this move that then does something terrible to the guest character and so it's like you're, you're actually right, you're actually it's provocative, right? And the other guy could get angry
  • [52:53] Keith: video game equivalents of defiling the corpse. Yeah.
  • [52:54] Keith: Alright, wait,
  • [53:03] Mike: wait, I want to ask one other thing, hang on, I wanna ask you one other thing about this, Alyssa, does that mean does this mean that like because you looked with such a knowing look, is there something that you could do during sex to prevent keith from getting
  • [53:04] Keith: off then?
  • [53:08] Mike: Because you're like yes, there's this thing he needs to finish, could you stop him somehow?
  • [53:18] Mike: Oh sure, I mean, okay, but in a subtle way, not like just running out of the room,
  • [53:18] Mike: there's
  • [53:22] Mike: something subtle you could do where you're like, oh I'm going to make this not happen now,
  • [53:24] Mike: just switch positions.
  • [53:30] Mike: So there's a particular position he wants to, there's a finishing position for him,
  • [53:35] Keith: I feel like what do they call this? They call this ruined orgasm, right? Isn't there a subreddit for this?
  • [53:40] Mike: There is, although it's a little bit different because ruined is basically like stopping all contact
  • [53:44] Mike: when it starts, so then it's like not as pleasurable.
  • [53:45] Keith: Yeah,
  • [53:47] Keith: but I mean
  • [53:48] Mike: why are you into that keith?
  • [53:58] Keith: No, I'm not being too, that's like if an orgasm is like sort of the greatest, you know, single five seconds of feeling that a person can have,
  • [54:04] Keith: like ruining that is not like I think definitional, it doesn't make sense. I
  • [54:13] Mike: think it lasts longer than five. But okay, the uh but there are definitely guys that are into this because there's a lot of like dominant, submissive porn around this.
  • [54:14] Keith: Yeah,
  • [54:18] Mike: so I don't know why they're into it. I agree. Because it's like,
  • [54:18] Keith: it
  • [54:20] Mike: seems like a complete negative. But
  • [54:26] Mike: yeah, it seems like even if you were submissive, you would want the woman to like in the last minute of the sex act, like
  • [54:30] Mike: just do whatever you want to like actually amp it up,
  • [54:32] Keith: right? Like
  • [54:33] Keith: being
  • [54:37] Keith: edging and not being allowed to orgasm
  • [54:45] Keith: is fine. I can imagine how that makes the actual orgasm more intense and more more pleasurable. That's, I can imagine that, but
  • [54:49] Keith: once you get an orgasm of course,
  • [54:51] Mike: okay, you said, you could imagine
  • [54:57] Keith: Every time I, every time I have sex or masturbate, it's just 0-100 and I'm done. No,
  • [54:58] Mike: it's like, you
  • [54:59] Keith: know, Yeah,
  • [55:01] Keith: and I can
  • [55:15] Keith: acknowledge, I can relate to that experience. I've had that experience, whatever, but you don't want once the orgasm has commenced, it's really hard to imagine a situation where you would want it ruined on purpose.
  • [55:17] Mike: I don't
  • [55:18] Keith: Yeah, well
  • [55:26] Mike: We watched it, we watched a porn like maybe 20 episodes ago that I don't know if Alice has seen it, where there's a, it's this woman, she still does these like a lot.
  • [55:34] Mike: She basically sits under a table, that's got a hole cut in it. It's kind of like the sNl skit a dick dick in a box. Like you cut a hole in the table and you put it
  • [55:35] Mike: through the
  • [55:36] Keith: whole Yeah,
  • [55:52] Mike: exactly. So you've seen that. Okay. And yeah, and, and, and, and what she does is when he nuts, like she doesn't touch him and then she seems really happy to put her mouth in such a position that the semen goes into her mouth, but he doesn't actually know that's happening.
  • [55:57] Mike: It's like almost like a philosophical conundrum. Can't know where his semen went. It's
  • [55:59] Keith: like if a tree falls in the woods and nobody's
  • [56:02] Mike: there, that didn't happen. She
  • [56:11] Mike: sort of gleefully does that. And the guy, I mean, this poor guy, like, I mean that's his, I mean, that appears to be most of his sex life is just lying on this table
  • [56:15] Mike: and then orgasm ng into into a void. Maybe that's hot.
  • [56:17] Mike: Maybe you guys should try it.
  • [56:19] Keith: No, why would I would not? I
  • [56:24] Mike: mean, you're like, why would I ruin a perfectly good table? She's
  • [56:29] Keith: gonna swallow my cum. Like why do it in such a way that I don't get
  • [56:31] Keith: to feel her mouth around my,
  • [56:39] Mike: because maybe it's like schrodinger's come. Like, you don't know if she swallowed it. This is the thing, maybe that mystery, maybe that mystery enhances it. You don't know
  • [56:47] Mike: and of course, but, but I do want to caution all listeners that this is like my, one of my most important rules for life. Um
  • [56:57] Mike: when you have sex with a hole in a table or a wall, when you put your penis through something that's opaque and you don't know what's on the other side. The thing on the other side is always a man.
  • [57:20] Mike: I just don't know what, I just want to warn everyone, maybe that's your thing. But so so so in my world and maybe this is my own version of transgender, uh if Alyssa was under the table and keith was on top of the table for that brief moment when they were having sex through the table, Alyssa is a man,
  • [57:20] Keith: what
  • [57:23] Mike: it actually turns her into a man.
  • [57:26] Mike: You can't be absolutely sure. So therefore in my view,
  • [57:27] Keith: right to
  • [57:28] Mike: you, she's a man.
  • [57:31] Keith: Yeah, I mean obviously you
  • [57:33] Mike: could have a gay experience that way,
  • [57:35] Keith: right? Where you can simulate a gay experience
  • [57:36] Mike: and they say ignorance is bliss
  • [57:38] Keith: that way.
  • [57:39] Keith: Yeah, but it's
  • [57:51] Mike: not like L. G. B. T. Q. I. A. It's not on that list. It's the plus is this other sort of transgender person who becomes transgender through a knowledge sort of philosophical conundrum. I
  • [57:54] Mike: do want to walk it back to the like the no hands orgasm
  • [57:55] Keith: because
  • [58:04] Mike: for the female experience, that's just, that's never happened for me, but I understand for men that you guys can get what dreams where you guys come while you're sleeping, there's no stimulation.
  • [58:05] Keith: When
  • [58:08] Mike: was the last time that happened to either one of you?
  • [58:09] Mike: I
  • [58:09] Mike: have
  • [58:12] Keith: never had a wet dream like
  • [58:13] Keith: whoa.
  • [58:17] Mike: Yeah. I've always been very satisfied.
  • [58:19] Mike: I
  • [58:19] Mike: don't
  • [58:23] Keith: I don't find it okay. It correlates some
  • [58:25] Keith: with having masturbated recently
  • [58:31] Keith: but I've had wet dreams and I don't normally go very long without masturbating. Um
  • [58:33] Mike: But you've had one like in the last 10 years.
  • [58:39] Keith: I don't know if I. Yes I have. I have. I think I have one like maybe once, I think I have one like once a year now. Something like that.
  • [58:41] Mike: That's pretty awesome.
  • [58:45] Keith: It is pretty awesome actually. It's a little bit annoying.
  • [58:46] Keith: Um
  • [58:46] Keith: because it's a
  • [58:47] Mike: mess.
  • [58:53] Keith: Um And then the typical experiences you wake up just as your orgasm
  • [59:00] Keith: and if you were orgasm in because of something in a dream, like it was a good dream. Like you don't want to offend what? Wait, wait, but
  • [59:05] Mike: when you wake up during that is your hand in your underwear or whatever you're wearing. No,
  • [59:06] Keith: I'll normally have my
  • [59:07] Mike: hands free orgasm.
  • [59:15] Keith: No, I'll be like on my stomach or like on my side and I'll be like grinding against the bed.
  • [59:18] Keith: My body like naturally find stimulation for itself.
  • [59:25] Mike: I wonder if this actually correlates. I wonder if wet dreams correlate with circumcision?
  • [59:27] Keith: I wonder
  • [59:30] Keith: that's actually an interesting point. Yeah I'm more able to get
  • [59:34] Keith: stimulation without getting my hand involved
  • [59:42] Mike: right? Yeah, you could, so so actually, so you probably could orgasm via like, I mean I could use something like a flashlight. Like if you attached a flashlight to a wall
  • [59:46] Mike: with a suction cup. I think I could, yeah, that would work. It would operate like a
  • [59:47] Keith: hand,
  • [59:58] Mike: but I do not think I could do that with like say a mattress, a mattress that I didn't want any more was going to throw away or whatever. But like I'm just rubbing my and women, there is a very common way for women to masturbate with a pillow or a
  • [60:02] Mike: what we last episode we had the woman who used a broom
  • [60:05] Keith: handle. She would not, she
  • [60:07] Mike: didn't insert it. She would rub against it.
  • [60:08] Keith: Right? Um
  • [60:09] Mike: Yeah.
  • [60:12] Keith: Yeah, I think I could do it with a mattress.
  • [60:14] Keith: I know I can do it with the sleeping bag.
  • [60:16] Mike: Right?
  • [60:17] Keith: So
  • [60:17] Keith: yeah,
  • [60:21] Mike: so I've literally never had that experience of of
  • [60:23] Mike: any sort of,
  • [60:26] Mike: you know, just purely rubbing situation
  • [60:27] Keith: and
  • [60:31] Mike: no wet dreams either. Well I never had one either.
  • [60:45] Keith: Rough life guys. I mean what dreams are cool? I don't have them very often. So it's not like a part of my life experience anymore. Melissa. What's the closest you've come? I mean you, I assume you have what you, I'm guessing you have dreams where like
  • [60:50] Mike: there's a man that looks like Fabio with flowing locks with a horse?
  • [60:50] Mike: I'm
  • [60:54] Mike: just imagining a,
  • [61:00] Mike: do you have dreams like that ever? Like what what's the sex and most sexed up dream type that you would have.
  • [61:07] Mike: I don't you know, it's I never remember any of my sex dreams I've woken up arouse before but I've never woken up and I was
  • [61:08] Mike: you know, I came
  • [61:12] Mike: usually I'll wake up and like, oh well I'm gonna finish this.
  • [61:13] Keith: Mine would
  • [61:14] Mike: just be like,
  • [61:19] Keith: yeah, mine would be like ridiculously often awesome. Like the dream setup would be like
  • [61:22] Keith: I'm at a swimming pool. There's like
  • [61:23] Keith: 20
  • [61:30] Keith: female lifeguards and they're all, you know, spectacularly attractive. And then somehow
  • [61:37] Keith: yeah, I mean it's it's a dream. So like you know the order of events and nothing makes sense. And then like yeah, then I get to like hook up with one of them. Yeah.
  • [61:40] Mike: I never ever remember any of my sex dreams.
  • [61:40] Keith: I
  • [61:43] Mike: don't think I ever have any sex dreams.
  • [61:45] Mike: So
  • [61:47] Mike: this sounds, it's kind of bums me out a little bit.
  • [61:51] Keith: Yeah, I mean it's all right. For sure. Reality is coming. In fact you already have one.
  • [61:54] Mike: It's not as good as that. I don't
  • [61:55] Keith: Want to 2020
  • [61:56] Mike: one, Lifeguards.
  • [62:01] Keith: It was I said 20, but I can't be sure it was a dream. So
  • [62:04] Mike: analysis are so good that she she can Yeah, I know
  • [62:05] Mike: it's terrible.
  • [62:12] Mike: Yeah, that's your that's your dream even in your dream. You're not the manager?
  • [62:23] Keith: Alright. I thought we'd have time for one more topic but we don't so that'll do it for episode 60 of your mileage, may vary.
  • [62:25] Keith: thanks to Michael Alyssa for the valuable time.
  • [62:37] Keith: As a reminder, we can be contacted at y m m d pod on twitter or by email at y m m d pod at gmail dot com. We hope you enjoyed the show and we hope you'll join us next week. Bye for now.
  • [62:39] Keith: Right,
  • [63:11] Mike: physic saucer.