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Episode 61: What Her Insides Feel Like, Men Who Cry, Male Vibrations, The Girlfriend Experience

Team YMMV | 4-7-2022 | 1:00:14

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How much exploration of a woman's insides is good and desirable? It's obviously pretty different when you're exploring your own body versus when it's someone else. The enjoyment for a man doing it must be completely psychological, since it's kind of indistinguishable from warm jello or some such, if you were blindfolded and didn't really know where you were putting your hands.

Oh man. One of these questions is about a guy "warning" his partner that he's going to have a "huge load" because he hasn't ejaculated in some time. I wonder, how does a woman take that when she's "informed"? Is that an offer? A warning? A threat? What if she's not really in the mood that day to swallow a gigantic load of semen.

We talk about a number of different TikTok purveyors, including a woman who wants men to know they're not supposed to "poke" but rather to "dock" and then move in a front-to-back motion. Another woman likes to talk about her "pink" and "brown" canoes, which I guess is supposed to be alluring.

No more real conversation about high-sex-drive women, but we have both talked outside the podcast and agreed that we love women with high sex drives. We think it's great.

To follow along with the videos discussed at the beginning of the episode:

https://ymmv.me/61/handy

We get a lot of our questions from the Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/61/vibrating-penis

https://ymmv.me/61/distant

https://ymmv.me/61/insides

https://ymmv.me/61/handjob-crying

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  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with a proprietary blend of candor humor and deadpan delivery. We have a fun list of salacious topics to cover today. But before we get to them I am Keith coming at you from the sunny caribbean island of st lucia my co-host is mike slumming it in California. How's it going.
  • [00:17] Mike: Ah, it's pretty cold here I hear it's warmer there.
  • [00:19] Keith: Like yeah, it's been 85 and sunny for the last two weeks I've been in the caribbean so not bad. Um, we'll get going with the titillating analysis shortly. But first please rate review and subscribe to the show.
  • [00:29] Mike: Not bad.
  • [00:38] Keith: Please tell your friends about the show. Please send us feedback about the show. We pay $10 for any feedback received and we can be reached at ymmvpod on Twitter or at y mmvpod at http://gmail.com we also respond to questions we receive there some of them on the show unless you ask us to keep it private which we will absolutely respect. Okay, Mike I don't have any hilarious pattern today should we jump into watching and analyzing this porn clip you have for us.
  • [01:04] Mike: Ah, sure as always. It's ah it'll be the link to it will be in the show notes. Um and I know people love that because it's It's always the link that I post that gets the most clicks.
  • [01:16] Keith: Um.
  • [01:18] Mike: Want to ah start 11 minutes into it so it'll probably take you a second to get to the 11 minute Mark um, exactly so ah yeah, and um, what we'll do for new listeners is we will listen to it together.
  • [01:20] Keith: Oh yeah, let me seek here. Okay so at a eleven zero zero is the timestamp. Okay I don't know.
  • [01:37] Mike: Ah, Keith's already unhappy I can hear and we will um I will ah narrate it a little bit and we'll maybe listen to well maybe watch rather the first thirty seconds starting from 11 minutes and then we can discuss it maybe maybe a little more so whenever you're ready Keith.
  • [01:49] Keith: Okay, yeah I'm ready I'm gonna begin in 3 to 1 beginning.
  • [01:58] Mike: So There's a woman ah sitting next to a man on a couch and he has some sort of weird black mask over his head she is rubbing his naked penis. She sort of stopped it's twitching a little bit so this sort of establishes the shot kind of nice. She's rubbing mostly toward the tip of it. Ah, she's got her body situated so you can definitely see what's going On. He's nodding his head and she's using her right hand I'm Guessing. He's nodding because something's about to help he's breathing heavily and oh my goodness he's just spewing semen all over the place like a sprinkler.
  • [02:28] Keith: Wow.
  • [02:33] Mike: Ah, his legs are kind of going over the place. This is so unattractive she said something to him. She's still rubbing him quite vigorously even though I think he might be finished. Yeah and but she's just continuing continuing continuing. It's actually.
  • [02:41] Keith: Yeah I think the time for that is over.
  • [02:50] Keith: Is something else going to happen here or can we.
  • [02:50] Mike: Getting kind of cringy for me I'm not sure. Ah, if um, we're almost a minute into it. So oh my goodness she's just yeah, okay, let's let's pause here. Well not really I mean she was continuing to stimulate even after at a point where the stimulation is clearly not.
  • [02:58] Keith: Yeah, okay, she's done hello.
  • [03:09] Keith: Um, yeah, um, okay, first talk right? exactly? Yeah I I got to that so all right? So maybe we should have said what the title of this video is before we started but it is end of no not November huge come shot edged for a month.
  • [03:10] Mike: Pleasurable. Actually she pulled her hand off right? after? yeah, right after we? yeah yeah, okay.
  • [03:27] Mike: Okay, yeah I didn't I didn't notice that.
  • [03:29] Keith: Ah month. Ah I don't think that com shot was I mean it would be above average for me but I didn't think that was particularly huge come shot.
  • [03:44] Mike: It's a little hard to say I I guess I agree with that it was I think it was more than above average I think it was sort of ninety fifth or higher percentile it would take some effort to produce that much.
  • [03:53] Keith: Sure sure but given that title I was expecting something spectacular and I'm a little disappointed to be frank.
  • [04:07] Mike: That's y'all have to do better next time.
  • [04:09] Keith: Um, these guys look like they're in some sort of yeah this looks like a motel or something and given the ah I don't know how to say this the lack of passion between these two. This seems like it could be a prostitution. Thing.. What do you think.
  • [04:29] Mike: I Like the jar of mayonnaise or something like that on the ground. Maybe it's lubricant all right? So I Um yeah I'm not. It's it's very unclear what the the setting is in terms of I don't know like it could just be someone's apartment and they're a couple.
  • [04:34] Keith: It's not manonnaise. It's it's going to be coconut oil I think.
  • [04:48] Keith: Could be.
  • [04:48] Mike: Um, but yeah, it's a little dingy. Ah the ah the way the way that she operates on his penis does that seem familiar to you in terms of like how you would operate on your penis.
  • [04:59] Keith: Um, let me go back just to see a clip.
  • [05:02] Mike: I Mean to be clear like it's it's you know I mean ah not a whole lot of mobility on the foreskin Lots of kind of direct lubricated rubbing across the head. Um, it's interesting and the reason I bring that up I bring this up I think every time.
  • [05:12] Keith: Yeah.
  • [05:20] Keith: Yep.
  • [05:20] Mike: Have something where there's hand job or male masturbation is like this is just not at all how I use my penis.
  • [05:27] Keith: Yeah, this man is circumcised he appears to have a circumcision that is quite tight like I do ah this doesn't look too wrong to me. Actually yeah.
  • [05:38] Mike: Okay, yeah, like when I see this I think like this would be really super uncomfortable even though I too am circumcised just not as tightly as some men. Okay, so that's like so so this is ah this is what it takes normally.
  • [05:48] Keith: Tightly yeah.
  • [05:53] Keith: Yeah, all right I Just rewatch this direct if I've had enough. Can we move on. Please.
  • [05:58] Mike: Oh you didn't not not a big fan of it too much maleness. You don't want to talk about with a weird black hood. He's wearing and so forth.
  • [06:04] Keith: Um, well I don't know why he's wearing a hood like in the middle of his orgasm he like clenches his like legs and and butt cheeks and like lifts them off like he's having some sort of really powerful experience. It just feels so masculine and male. It's off-putting.
  • [06:21] Mike: Okay I actually found it not as masculine because he's ah because he's so like sort of submissive in the role or whatever I mean he's like he's not. It's not I mean it's not a very masculine posture or sort of behaviors. Yeah.
  • [06:33] Keith: No, it's not yeah, that's correct. Yeah.
  • [06:37] Mike: You just don't like that much dick in your porn. Yeah makes it hard to enjoy. Okay that makes sense.
  • [06:45] Keith: Yeah, okay I mean this is immediately. That's our first topic here also has to do with man orgasming but here we go this person says felt venus penis felt felt penis vibrating in my mouth as he came. Last night. My boyfriend and I had like hour long sex after we hadn't had sex and what felt like forever like ten days so he warned me he was going to have a huge load I always finish him off and let him come in my mouth. But this time I literally felt like a vibrating sensation as it came out for just a second his dick legitimately tingled in my mouth as the come came out. And we're going to get into the her word choice here of tingled but and let me just finish is this a thing or was it just because he had a huge load I was so surprised and it actually excited me a lot because what the hell was that lmao anything is appreciated. Um, so dick's obviously pulse when they when they orgasm. But. She says her exact words here are I literally felt like a vibrating sensation and for just a second his dick legitimately tingled in my mouth I think she's describing something that isn't the normal orgasm experience.
  • [07:59] Mike: It's hard to say I mean yeah like yeah, it seems um, it's implying that there's some sort of vibration that's quicker than you know twice a second or whatever would be the normal.
  • [08:08] Keith: What is it when you have waves that are like overlapping each other and you know one wave shows some frequency modulation and another wave shows another like yeah, it's like there's something on top.
  • [08:22] Mike: Your time a resident resonance now.
  • [08:25] Keith: Yeah I guess guess what? well resonance is when you get 2 waves that are in phase and so they're more powerful now this is like you have 1 wave and then on top of that wave you have like these other mini waves that are that are vibrating at a much higher frequency or at least that's what I imagine she's trying to describe.
  • [08:32] Mike: That's right? yeah.
  • [08:44] Mike: Harmonics Yeah I don't I mean I don't know like the only other thing this made me think is that like there is some like there is a hormone.
  • [08:45] Keith: Yes I think that's what it is Yes, sure Maybe she's just incompetent. She might just be young and and and confused Maybe that's.
  • [09:01] Mike: Or something There's some chemical in semen that like people report sometimes ah gives them like a tingling sensation because it like causes muscles to contract or something like that and so that's like 1 of the reasons why a person who swallows jiz will feel something in their throat for a period afterward. It's not just like a taste like there's something like there's some actual like ah biologically active compound in there a little bit. Yeah, it'll cause like a tingling sensation because it's like it actually like is ah inducing some reaction.
  • [09:22] Keith: That causes muscles to Spasm or potentially huh.
  • [09:35] Mike: And so like they'll they'll get this odd feeling like in their throat that you actually can't get rid of very easily because you just it has to finish impacting the muscles or whatever and that takes like a few several minutes. Yeah, so it could be that too like although like she you would think she would have that experience every time not just one time like yeah.
  • [09:44] Keith: Aha.
  • [09:51] Keith: Right? She seems to be prescribing a unique experience here and I'm confused what that could be.
  • [09:55] Mike: I Mean yeah maybe the guy did a bunch of drugs or packed a packed some some drug down in his peehole.
  • [10:02] Keith: There aren't things that I can do that are high frequency twitching down there like I can do the twitching that happens when I orgasm but this came up last episode when we were talking about squirting like I couldn't squirt my urine if I wanted to like I can pee and then I can stop and then I can restart but like. Ah, couldn't do that multiple times a second.
  • [10:24] Mike: That's right, That's I mean and also this is why it's actually quite difficult visually for someone to well say a woman to fake an orgasm because if you look at the contractions you can tell when they're not the right distance apart because it's just too hard to do it. Yeah, so this is probably just like this person got really excited.
  • [10:33] Keith: Right? right.
  • [10:41] Mike: And ah, you know had a completely normal experience but misinterpreted and that would be the you know.
  • [10:46] Keith: Yeah I think she's young and her word choice is weird and yeah, okay, all right, there's nothing interesting to discuss there all right? This person says you'll like this one this this one is right at our wheelhouse. Why is the guy so distant after sex. Hooked up with this guy twice once after clubbing second time he invited me over the sex is great and it's very clear that there's no feelings behind it. But right after right after the sex he becomes a different person during sex. He's clearly enjoying it a lot but the only compliments he makes is you're so tight after sex.
  • [11:12] Mike: Ah.
  • [11:19] Keith: I Told him you're really good at all. He said was good to know while laughing right? after sex he does that cuddle. No pillow talk and then we just have awkward small talk sitting on his bed until he orders me an uber don't get be wrong I What a relationship or anything but I feel like the Le she could do is cuddle for a bit. The thing is during.
  • [11:30] Mike: Jesus.
  • [11:39] Keith: Thing is during the sex I'm enjoying it a lot but that because it's so awkward and uninimmate afterwards. It kind of taints my image of it. So I go home feeling kind of empty inside and not as happy as I could be I'm trying to figure out if this is ah is normal. For sex outside of relationships or or if there's anything I can do to get more intimacy since that's what makes the sex more enjoyable for me. Yeah, this is a woman who apparently is unaware of the post concept of Postnet clarity.
  • [12:04] Mike: It sounds like and and also she's having she's struggling with what she what she actually gets out of the experience right? I mean.
  • [12:12] Keith: Well, it seems like the lack of intimacy after which of course is predictable if you've hooked up with some guy twice and what were the 2 conditions once after clubbing second time he invited me over which presumably means just a. Lnbc do you know? What do you know what? that stands for late night booty call yeah so yeah, be. He's not even pretending that he's going to be offering intimacy at any point and so her expectation or hope for that is a little bit aspirational.
  • [12:31] Mike: No I will lay not booty call. Okay.
  • [12:46] Mike: When you say offering intimacy like I immediately like that I to me that's the opposite right in the sense that like that feels like a term that you encounter like on seeking arrangement or something like that intimacy is like a code word for sex. But so you mean something different right? You mean offering intimacy is there another word for that.
  • [13:01] Keith: I Mean this is actually a really great point I think when women say they're offering intimacy that means sex when men say they're offering ittimacy at least when I say it I mean I'm offering pillow talk and.
  • [13:18] Mike: Okay, that and that actually makes sense so intimacy is like a code word for like the thing you want.
  • [13:18] Keith: Caring about how your day at work went.
  • [13:24] Keith: But the thing that that the thing that the person saying it doesn't want to do and that the person of the opposite sex wants. Yeah.
  • [13:29] Mike: I mean the only flipside I can say on that is like there's an like there is this whole like ah Gfe girlfriend experience situation where like well, there's just a higher amount of intimacy that some ah like ah well.
  • [13:38] Keith: Boy yeah.
  • [13:47] Mike: Yeah,, there's another word needed there right? because like sometimes men I don't totally understand why. But when they're paying to have a sexual experience. They want it to more resemble. A yeah girlfriend experience. In other words, something with kissing and um, perhaps him performing oral on her etc and ah. They want to do that with ah somebody there the sex worker and then that's also considered probably intimate right.
  • [14:12] Keith: Well, there was actually a big discussion about what gfe girlfriend experience means and people had wildly differing opinions on it. Some people said it meant yeah you know like you go on a date first. And you ah you know, spend time with each other and you know text each other and you know have more of a I guess emotional connection and then people on the other side of the spectrum said no that just means that she's willing to kiss you during sex and not.
  • [14:47] Mike: That's what I thought.
  • [14:48] Keith: And non-girlfriend experience prostitution means Yeah, there's there's actually not not any kissing and so there was this big debate about what it means when somebody says girlfriend experience and I actually don't know it's a colloquialism and it so it just depends how people use it and I I haven't.
  • [14:57] Mike: Um, kissing it.
  • [15:06] Keith: Ah, been in spaces that use this term enough to have a strong opinion on on what the normal usage what the normal meaning of Gfp is.
  • [15:13] Mike: I really think it's the latter. It's it's it's ah it's yeah as I said it's um, kissing and then DATY do you know what? that is dinner at the y yeah so oral.
  • [15:20] Keith: No oh tanner hit the why I get it I get it. This is is this your preferred term I know you hate the expression eating out.
  • [15:32] Mike: no no no DTY I find really amusing and kind of kind of gross. But ah yeah, okay, so so.
  • [15:37] Keith: Okay, is there any expression for Connie Linus that you can tolerate. Okay, okay.
  • [15:43] Mike: Probably just oral that I can tolerate. Yeah no, it's the it's the specific thing of eating out that term implies that like there's something in there that you're trying to eat and remove and that that makes me think of like the Jolly rancher story and so forth like it's just not.
  • [15:53] Keith: Um.
  • [15:59] Keith: How can I yeah for the une for the uninitiated. Don't google the Jolly Ranger story
  • [16:02] Mike: Something I want to think about? Oh no, yeah, that's right? Ah so yeah, but so ah, okay, so you so anyway, there's there's this girl girlfriend experience thing in this woman is yeah, what's interesting to me. And this must be like a difficult line for women to walk is that like obviously she um, she wants to have sex with someone. She enjoyed the sex part but like she's having difficulty coping with the reality that like it's not that you know makes her feel bad about herself or something if if it doesn't come along with like some other.
  • [16:24] Keith: Um, yes.
  • [16:36] Keith: Um I can yeah I was I was just going to say I've had a handful of one night stands in my life and ah yeah I always kind of feel crappy the next day now part of that might be hangovers. Um.
  • [16:37] Mike: Stuff. Ah, and this is something men struggle struggle with less but it's not 0 Men can have some struggle here. But yeah.
  • [16:56] Keith: And not getting much sleep. But I think yeah, but part of it is just it feels I don't know like I don't think humans are meant to operate in that mode where you have sex wants and then it's just the physical thing and then you break apart and never see each other again.
  • [17:13] Mike: I don't know there's a there's a ah you've you've unfortunately caused me to like I've now probably in my life used tiktok for a combined like maybe 8 hours which is really embarrassing and shitty. Ah.
  • [17:15] Keith: Um, or there's some ambiguity about whether you'll see each other even.
  • [17:27] Keith: Um, yeah, it is it is. It's not that it's I mean you can acknowledge that their algorithm is impressive and and and scary. But yeah I mean it's It's just it's bad for your brain.
  • [17:32] Mike: It's.
  • [17:39] Mike: I don't I don't think it's just that I think it's that like a lot of it's there's this unfortunate thing where I think a lot of the creativity in at least american culture right now is going into young american culture is going into Tiktok and so the content there is actually.
  • [17:51] Keith: Absolutely.
  • [17:56] Mike: Pretty compelling compared to like what you would see on Tv or even Youtube ah, and so and so yeah, yeah, and I say it's unfortunate because it's like yeah, it'd be nice to be able to access that content without having to sit there and like you know, be addicted by their algorithm. It would be nicer if you could just do searches and stuff.
  • [17:59] Keith: Yeah.
  • [18:11] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [18:15] Mike: You can follow individual contributors Anyway, what I wanted to say is there is a ah user on there. It's a woman who there there are these various like of course like ah because it tracks what you follow like a substantial percentage of what I get on. There is just like women ah saying like euphemistic things for sex.
  • [18:32] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [18:34] Mike: Ah, they have to be careful because they'll get banned I Think if they're too explicit. Ah, there's this one woman who answers questions about what she likes to put in her pink canoe and her brown canoe which is just stupid I mean like yes, it's just.
  • [18:47] Keith: Pink canoe is ah is a good euphemism Brown Canoe is it's more like a brown ah was a life raft a Brown Tube Brown Inner Tube
  • [18:52] Mike: Right? Like it's like a inflatable like yeah inner tube. Yeah, exactly ring a ring makes more sense. Ah yeah, but this but there's this other one who she's yeah and and there's this woman who like has these like long insufferable things about ah apparently she had a. Procedure done on her where ah, some kind of some sort of vaginal procedure and they cut a nerve in her clit or going to her clit or something and she's obsessed with getting the Clitoris clitteral Anatomy put into Anatomy textbooks properly which good for her but like it's just video after video about this.
  • [19:28] Keith: Well hold on a second wait way. What we we wait? Okay, her clit was damaged in a surgery and now her crusade is to make sure that this doesn't happen to anybody else.
  • [19:31] Mike: And I don't yet. And yeah. Yes, yes, yes because it's because she wants doctors to know and I now know it because I've seen like 7 of her videos that the interior structure and this makes sense the internal structure of the clitoris looks like the internal internal structure of the penis. It has like and and and importantly as I learned from her the nerve runs I don't remember if it's on the top or the bottom of it. But it's on the sort of exterior part of it right? like so in other words, if you just Nick the clip with like a scalpel you can cut the nerve.
  • [20:06] Keith: Ah, the important part.
  • [20:09] Mike: Exactly you can mess the nerve up and so she wants people to end fair enough like I don't That's fine. It's just the like yeah.
  • [20:11] Keith: Well I understand why she's upset. But yeah, like if my penis was damaged and surgery in a way that lowered my sexual pleasure I would be extremely upset I am not sure I would take to ticktok to launch a crusade issuing psas to all.
  • [20:18] Mike: Um.
  • [20:31] Keith: Would be penis surgeons to be careful, but.
  • [20:31] Mike: Um, yeah, this makes me think this makes me think that maybe what I should start doing I Wonder if there's a way there's probably I'll investigate this. There may be a way to in addition to sharing with our listeners porns. There may be a way to involve some of these tick talks since that is like the more.
  • [20:47] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
  • [20:48] Mike: Popular social media platform anyway in in our in our podcast and I can just save them and then we can discuss them anyway. So there's this, there's another one. It's not the pink Canoe Brown Canoe woman it's not the clitoris woman. There's another one who ah has um, her whole thing is um.
  • [21:03] Keith: Um, looks right? No sorry hold up second just right there Melissa is doing our laundry and I apparently was looking for a dry ra anyway, sorry continue.
  • [21:05] Mike: Is that she doesn't want men to ah.
  • [21:19] Mike: Um, we Ah so um, ah yeah, so the the loss way train of thought that that Okay, ah yeah, she's obsessed with um, having the um. She's obsessed with men knowing that it is more pleasurable for a woman to if the man quote unquote docks his penis inside of her. She's using Euphemism So She likes to use the word dock and then instead of like thrusting in and out being that like your penis like you know.
  • [21:52] Keith: Aha.
  • [21:57] Mike: Visible and then invisible invisible right? So it's coming completely out instead like you keep it there and then you sort of thrust in to basically do more of a rubbing action inside the woman's body and this makes sense because it's like going to give her more external stimulation which for most women is more compelling actually.
  • [21:58] Keith: Yes.
  • [22:15] Keith: Um.
  • [22:15] Mike: Virtually all women is more compelling. Um, anyway part of what she part of her rationale here is to get to see a long story short is to ah she's talking about the plunger effect and how like in early mankind.
  • [22:22] Keith: Yeah.
  • [22:32] Mike: Ah, because so many different men would be having sex with the same woman. The way competition would happen is you would actually try to plunge out the other man's sperm and this is ah is a little difficult because I'm trying to do it from memory but this is ah in in contrast to for example, Gorillas where the woman is much smaller than the man and. The male and the male and I'm using woman and man which I know would infuriate any sort of Trans rights advocates out there the female and the male. The female is much smaller and that's because the male is larger so we can fight off other males but in humans were around the same size because the way human Males. Sperm competition is not by fighting off the other males. It's by having this weird plunger shapeped penis that plunges out the semen from their vagina and that's all to say that maybe you're wrong and actually men are supposed to be like having gang bangs constantly with with with with with with human women. Yeah.
  • [23:15] Keith: Is that.
  • [23:23] Keith: Um, now no are several problems with this. Not the least of which docking is not a euphemism that is an actual sex term and maybe she's not aware of it because it's a fairly advanced homosexual technique.
  • [23:28] Mike: Okay, okay.
  • [23:41] Mike: Oh you're talking about the thing where you ah your 4 skins get connected or whatever. Okay, fine, but she's well she's just trying to be use a euphemism that's that will pass the Tiktok algorithm or whatever.
  • [23:43] Keith: Ah, yeah, the Royal you? yes.
  • [23:52] Keith: Yeah, fine all right? Yeah, that's not important The the important part is whether men are meant to be having lots of frivolous sex.
  • [24:00] Mike: Well and whether like generally and you know there're books ah you and I knew someone a number of years back who was taken in by a man who wanted her to be polyamorous and one of the things he did and it worked by the way he got to have her in another woman for a period of time. Ah, and the one The one of the things he did is he had her read a book called sex at dawn which I read and it was interesting. Ah yeah, and basically that was the thesis of that book as well was was that like actually like you know prehistoric man like lived in these communities and like basically all the men fucked all the women a lot.
  • [24:34] Keith: And it's whoever had the best plunger effect one.
  • [24:37] Mike: And yeah, yeah, well maybe it's whoever had sex with her last or the or or oh yeah, there's 1 other argument they see part of this I think is some kind of like woke social thing there in other words, they're trying to empower.
  • [24:49] Keith: Ah.
  • [24:54] Mike: Woman in the situation. So one of the claims that this tiktokcker makes and it's made elsewhere as well. Of course is that the woman can then select which guy's sperm. She wants by when she has an orgasm because that causes the cervix to dip into the apparent like large pool of sperm in her ah in her vaginal tract.
  • [25:05] Keith: Now stop.
  • [25:13] Keith: Right? It sorry to don't shoot the messenger here right? Okay, so the theory is she has sex with 3 men in a day she could like accurately choose which seeming reaches her eggs. No, there's some risk here but go ahead.
  • [25:14] Mike: I'm just giving you the ah the knowledge.
  • [25:23] Mike: Um, yeah, think about it because she because first of all, no, but think about it she has sex. Um, okay, she has sex with 3 men. They're all using this very clever plunger technique probably also because they're uncircumcised so they.
  • [25:32] Keith: Oh no.
  • [25:38] Mike: They're doing like this nice plunger technique where they they dock fully? Well, it doesn't It's not that a work would work better. It's that I think that the motion of sort of as the tiktokker says docking and then sort of moving keeping the penis fully inserted but moving.
  • [25:38] Keith: It works better If you're if you're uncircumcised.
  • [25:56] Mike: That way I think is a more compelling action for an uncircumcised man than a circumcised man. Sorry yeah like I I jump ahead without establishing the foundation I've got so much knowledge here. Ah, but yeah, so so yeah, so they're all uncircumcised and then the idea is so you have the succession of men.
  • [25:58] Keith: Ah.
  • [26:04] Keith: Right? But let's hear it. Dr. Mike
  • [26:15] Mike: Who are doing this plunging action. They're they're doing it correctly. But then one of them She has an orgasm of course it would have to be after or at the same time as his ejaculation right? and then she you know gets that semen into her cervix. And then it doesn't matter because she's had her orgasm of course this would augur very strongly against the women who think they have like 47 orgasms a day right? because then it would be you know then they're losing control of which guy gives them and yeah, if they're just constantly orgasming then like it's going to be. Whoever's there right? So I'm just saying like it's Coherent. It's the Storys coherent.
  • [26:40] Keith: Right? it? Yeah great point.
  • [26:47] Keith: Um, in in a seat. Sure.
  • [26:52] Mike: Like ah you you have sex with 5 men. They do it in this clever way that's plunging and only the man number 4 gives you an orgasm and that's the one who you are willing to accept the sperm from I yeah.
  • [27:02] Keith: Would women in this hypothetical world wouldn't they prefer to have many sexual partners or they would be sort of ambivalent about having many sexual partners because they could in fact, there might be some advantage because they wouldn't know which one of them was the dad. And so maybe they would all feel some obligation to assist during pregnancy.
  • [27:21] Mike: I Think that was part of the claim I think that was part of the claim of the book sex at dawn was that maybe they they wouldn't even have known who the father was and so then it's like the woman is but the woman could still be selective right? because she could select like the most compelling man because she wants to have his kid.
  • [27:36] Keith: The most compelling 5 men. Yeah.
  • [27:40] Mike: No, no, no, she would but of the 5 men she would select. She's selecting which one to have the orgasm with because he's going to be the one. Yeah, maybe she doesn't have a choice because they're dominating her. Maybe she just loves you know, maybe prehistorically women wanted to have lots of sex with many multiple I mean look yeah.
  • [27:44] Keith: Right? But why is she having sex with the other 4
  • [27:53] Keith: I see it it You can make an argument that it gives women agency in a culture where rape is much more common.
  • [28:02] Mike: Ah, yeah, or or it's just like that's how their that's how their culture worked was. It's like you know women are supposed to have sex with lots of men and I'm not sure. There's a couple things here. 1 is that it's definitely the case that if a woman really wanted to and wanted to be a good soldier here.
  • [28:13] Keith: I'll say.
  • [28:21] Mike: And was okay with abortion she could test this and see whether who she had the orgasm with controlled whose baby she had or who's who she got a fetus she got so there is like an actual scientific test that could be done here. Be kind of rough but it's possible. Um. And secondly like you don't know how malleable these preferences that women have are to like the culture they live in right? So Maybe if a woman if a girl grows up in a culture where it's like yeah you know Mommy has sex with 10 different guys and that's just how it is like she would just be like okay that's how it is I don't know yeah and like you would get a lot of affection.
  • [28:50] Keith: Um, yeah, that's getting that gets normalized right.
  • [28:59] Mike: Because there's like 10 different guys around like I don't know like so I'm not sure that women would have that strong of oppressment preference for monogamy in such a situation but it's hard to say yeah.
  • [29:05] Keith: Um, yeah I mean there's so certainly lots of mammal types. There's lots of mammals that have much more permiscuous sex. Um yeah I don't know.
  • [29:16] Mike: Know I would yeah I would I would bring this video up at a subsequent episode. maybe maybe maybe I'll remember if I see her again I'm actually trying to use Tiktok less because it's such a waste of time. It's tough because it's it is ah it is impressively addictive i'm.
  • [29:26] Keith: With mixed results. Yeah.
  • [29:35] Keith: Yeah, and I think that the way I mean I think our minds are getting less and less capable of tolerating boredom right? So you're standing in line at the grocery store for 10 seconds you just pull out your phone like people even do it at crosswalks they pull out their phone and just look at it and Tiktok is positioned perfectly because their contents.
  • [29:35] Mike: Genuinely impressed with it.
  • [29:48] Mike: Yes.
  • [29:53] Keith: Ah, so small. It's really easy to just take bite size chunks of garbage.
  • [29:57] Mike: Well and the content and the content is reliably amusing and good. So it's like yeah yeah, it's it's it's like saying oh I'm going to sit down and watch Tv. It's just like that. Yeah.
  • [30:05] Keith: Right? Yeah sort of almost definitionally good because it's perfectly tuned to you? Yeah I've been when talking about Tiktok too much. But yeah I feel pressure to like skip things that I don't want to see more of but sometimes I don't want to and then.
  • [30:10] Mike: Bright.
  • [30:23] Keith: Tiktok Tiktok can't be fooled. It knows if you like it because they use all kinds of things in their algorithm. It's not just whether you like it. It's how long you stay you know I think they can tell if you scrollw and look at the comments and stuff. It's sinister. Okay, this person says I hate feeling my insides whenever I finger myself.
  • [30:33] Mike: Sure sure.
  • [30:43] Keith: Ah, yeah I Really hate having to touch all the texture inside my vagina so I prefer other things someone else's fingers to go inside I've wondered about this in the past I mean I can't really tickle myself and it's really nice that no I know it's really nice that I can masturbate myself. But this woman.
  • [30:54] Mike: Um, that's not what she's saying. Okay, oh no, she can.
  • [31:02] Keith: Presumably can't tickle or masturbate herself or I Okay sure you're going to say she can do clitoral stimulation. She just can't do inside of her.
  • [31:11] Mike: It's not that she can't it's not that she can't do it. It's that like she's grossed out by the meat MEA t
  • [31:15] Keith: Sure and I am in the moments after you know in the post nut clarity. It's not feels a little weird in there like I I understand her you know visceral reaction there.
  • [31:29] Mike: Wait wait when after you nut in a woman. The the fact that you you can you? You don't like having your penis in there. You're like ah okay.
  • [31:35] Keith: No, that's totally fine I'm talking about like let's say in the minutes after you are helping them also reach climax sometimes digital penetration is required and it's always like and right? Well yeah.
  • [31:44] Mike: Oh oh interesting.
  • [31:51] Mike: That I I could see that being compelling though because it's like you get like a more as a guy like it's like you know it's a it's the classic thing if you only have access to that that equipment a certain number of hours a week so you're like oh you know I can yeah.
  • [32:02] Keith: Yes, yes, but those those hours I would prefer to be in the moments before and I or got some moments before it or gets about after.
  • [32:07] Mike: Watching Tiktok. Oh yeah, no, but I think you should reconsider that because the because you can like in in the post-nut clarity situation.
  • [32:22] Keith: Yep.
  • [32:22] Mike: You could look at you could You could think about it more scientifically and kind of enjoy yourself that way I mean if you can separate. Yeah you you know you can separate from the fact that you're supposed to be giving pleasure. That's hard because yeah, it's like wait wait wait I Want to investigate this structure here. She's like yeah I'm trying to get off.
  • [32:35] Keith: Yeah I think if I think if I was like experimenting around to see if I could you know reach up to the cervix or we just discussed on at a few episodes ago. Try to feel her feces through to her colon. You know if I'm if I'm doing these sorts of things.
  • [32:48] Mike: On.
  • [32:53] Keith: I Think she made attempt that my heart is not totally into getting her off that if I'm giving her a medical exam.
  • [32:56] Mike: So ah, have you noticed So I learned recently that ah the anterior and Posterior Fornix which is the spots kind of ah behind the cervix. In other words like the cervix protrudes from the ah. Surface of the interior of the vagina and then like there are these spots where it's like you're going deeper than the sort of sort of I mean it's not exactly like that. But you're kind of touching a part around it. The part that it protrudes from and apparently like you know how there's like a spot on the side of your cheek that if you push it with your tongue like Saliva will come out or you like start. Okay.
  • [33:31] Keith: Yes, yes.
  • [33:35] Mike: Yeah, everybody like discovers that when they're a kid or whatever and apparently this is sort of the same is like when your penis goes deep I don't know if you're able to go this deep Keith but ah, ah when something okay, good. Ah it actually creates lubrication and I've noticed that like I think everybody every guy's noticed that like that like when you get fully in there like suddenly it.
  • [33:42] Keith: I am.
  • [33:54] Mike: Becomes more lubricated and I think this is the the reason is because actually like when you put pressure on this part. It causes more lubrication to come out elsewhere. In other words, it's not that you're going in and accessing the lubrication which is actually what I thought and maybe that's that's what I that's what I thought anyway until like two weeks ago or a week ago apparently like you're actually pushing.
  • [34:09] Keith: Yeah, you're triggering some sort of interesting huh.
  • [34:14] Mike: So that's another one you could sort of play with you could see if you could trigger it and then feel ah the increased lubrication.
  • [34:17] Keith: Um, at this time which is at this time of the of the intercourse I am I Guess it's not intercourse in this in this time of the sexual encounter. We've normally been having sex for.
  • [34:33] Mike: Ah, yes, you can get like a tampon or something and dry her out just to test it.
  • [34:34] Keith: Some amount of time so she's already quite wet so it would be hard to tell if a okay this is good. Yeah, this is all really good advice. So so what'll happen is she'll ask me to help her masturbate basically and that'll be like well hold on let me just get a tampon out and my rubber gloves and my.
  • [34:51] Mike: So.
  • [34:54] Keith: Ah, graph paper here so that I can do a couple experiments.
  • [34:56] Mike: I Don't know I could see a woman being actually interested in that.
  • [35:00] Keith: I Dated a girl who had met a guy who wanted to give her a medical exam like his kink was he he wanted her to come and he had like a table and he put out. You know, whatever that clean paper is and then he just wanted to like sort of poke. And prodded her um and she did it. She did it? Yeah, she did it and then she reported to me she reported to me before this happened and then she reported to me that she was going to do it. He wanted to meet at a hotel room I was like I don't know if you should do this but she did anyway and then.
  • [35:20] Mike: Did she do it.
  • [35:37] Keith: She reported that she sort of liked it and she met him again and I yeah I don't know if if if that third engagement happened. But yeah, you just sort of poked and prodded and.
  • [35:45] Mike: I Guess he liking that I I think I may have said this before on the podcast that like there's like a ah like when you go to the dentist or the doctor like there's it's very like there's an an element of that can that can be very calming I mean obviously if you're going to the doctor because they're like checking you know like.
  • [35:55] Keith: Yeah.
  • [36:02] Mike: To inform you you have cancers I mean that's not calming at all. But I mean just like a normal checkup where they're like they seem like they know what they're doing and they're like touching your body in various ways like that can be very relaxing and so now having it be an amateur and you're a woman and you're doing it in a hotel room that might not be as relaxing.
  • [36:03] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • [36:19] Keith: Yeah I don't remember the details there I think I would prefer to have sex with a woman then receive that kind of exam. Although yeah.
  • [36:19] Mike: But I guess she was attracted to him. So.
  • [36:37] Mike: Well, they're pretty different right? I mean this one's like more meditative this is like you're just yeah.
  • [36:39] Keith: Not sure. Yeah I guess it is. It's a different experience right? like a back massage and having sex or different experiences. You can't that's apples to orange is.
  • [36:45] Mike: Unless you go to an a Mp which apparently stands for apartment Asian Apartment Massage Parlor that's hard to believe. But anyway maybe you know you know what I'm talking about. Ah.
  • [36:56] Keith: I didn't know that I've never no I mean I know the concept you're talking about I've never heard that acronym before.
  • [37:00] Mike: A MP it's also called a rub and tug.
  • [37:04] Keith: Yeah, we know that 1 or you pointed out that one to me when we walked by it in San Francisco
  • [37:09] Mike: Not only that maybe you weren't there when this happened but we were one time I was standing there I wasn't planning to go in but I saw this like ah maybe 60 year old man walking across the street and he runs over and then in the door he was trying to do it without being noticed or something but actually tip to.
  • [37:18] Keith: Belluges were standing at the in the area.
  • [37:25] Keith: Yeah, he attracted attention to himself.
  • [37:28] Mike: By the way the word for these guys is mongers tip to mongers when you run into the aamp. It's obvious what's going on like it's much better to just stroll in like you own the place.
  • [37:46] Mike: You went blank you're gone he's gone so this is a 37 this will break into 2 under how this will work 30 7 38
  • [38:08] Mike: The internet was so good.
  • [38:18] Mike: This fly is lame.
  • [39:40] Keith: Weird. So I have not refreshed this window I am now tethered through my phone.
  • [39:40] Mike: You're back.
  • [39:48] Mike: You sound fine I don't know.
  • [39:50] Keith: Yeah, I'm going to press stop on the recording because I actually haven't pressed stopped on the recording Even so I'm going to do that now.
  • [39:52] Mike: So anyway, yeah, that draws you're going to draw attention to yourself if you do that So that yeah, that's that's how that works.
  • [39:57] Keith: How does a place like that. Do you have any I mean this is off topic. But do you have any intuition for how a place like that in San Francisco is allowed to operate just that government just not care. It's sort of decriminalized.
  • [40:11] Mike: There's a certain amount apparently like ah there's a certain amount of government officials themselves using the facility. But Also it's just difficult to police because if you send a policeman in there. They will You know they have some protocol. Where they will lie and Claim. They're just giving a massage and it's ultimately like really difficult to actually know whether someone's being massaged which but you know is are you massaging their penis or the rest of their body and so I think like ah and you know honestly like the other thing is well okay I know from looking at various subreddits that. Ah.
  • [40:34] Keith: Right.
  • [40:45] Mike: More than just hand jobs happens into these places but like if it were just hand jobs like I I don't see why that should be criminal Personally I mean like that. Yeah well, there's yeah, but there's a certain amount I mean they're they're always, ah.
  • [40:50] Keith: Well, that's a different that's a different discussion though like I don't think it should be criminal either. But I think it is.
  • [41:02] Mike: There's the there's where the legal line is. But then there's where the enforcement line is and there are always activities that are allowed like you know going ah 10 miles over the speed limit or whatever and I think this kind of falls into that like I I don't think you're very likely to get arrested unless you're the owner of the new england patriots for trying to get a hand job at a.
  • [41:04] Keith: Yeah. Right.
  • [41:21] Mike: A massage parlor and even if you did like it's just such a stupid thing to go after you for now if you're trying to you know, have penetrative sex without a condom at 1 Yeah I mean that's a little bit different. So anyway.
  • [41:31] Keith: Right? All right? Let's move on to the next topic here wasn't he wasn't the owner of the Patriots It was something This is not a new topic but wasn't he it was like something at Mar a lago or was it was he was it tied to the.
  • [41:46] Mike: He was in Florida somewhere I think yeah, but yeah, there's just a there's it's it's still actually a little bit like that thing I saw in San Francisco there's like a picture of him kind of like secretly or maybe not so secretly going in and the whole like part of it I think we have discussed this before is like why if you're that wealthy can't you just like have an escort come.
  • [41:50] Keith: Yeah, okay, yeah.
  • [42:06] Mike: Your hotel room and what what are you doing like why are you? yeah and also like there's ah there is a real issue of human trafficking with these places you know and so it's a little bit. Yeah, it's like yeah.
  • [42:12] Keith: sure sure. Sure. sure yeah well 1 nice thing about making prostitution legal is that you can start cracking down on some of the more disturbing aspects that are often attached to it and are hard to crack down on because yeah, you have to get. Through the first layer before you can get to the second layer and yeah, the second layer merely exists because the first layer is illegal.
  • [42:33] Mike: Yeah, you can you can I'm given to understand though that for example in the counties of Nevada where it's legal and of course it's legal in many european countries but I'm more familiar with the situation in Nevada. Ah.
  • [42:41] Keith: Heaven.
  • [42:50] Mike: Because of the regulation and so forth the fact that you're in a brothel where you have to pay the house ah like getting a hand job. There is hundreds of dollars like it's expensive and so guys are still going to you know? So so even in Nevada where this is legal. There's a huge you know.
  • [42:57] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [43:05] Mike: Kind of illicit escort business because when the money is all paid to the woman something that might cost $700 now costs two hundred or three hundred because you're paying directly so course it's going to be less safe and so forth. Yeah.
  • [43:10] Keith: Right? right? All right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this person says my boyfriend cried during a handjub hey guys we 22 year old female.
  • [43:20] Mike: Nice.
  • [43:24] Keith: And 22 year old male have been together for around nine months although it has just been recently since we started having sex by choice and the last time we had sex I was giving him a hand job while kissing him and he suddenly started to cry I was scared and asked him if there's anything wrong and he just said no just hold me so I held him and kept kissing his neck while masturbating him. And he started to kind of laugh and cry at the same time while holding me so tight and close it made me feel so in love with him and so special and honored that I could make him feel things this intensely. We had our great sex and later that day he told me that he don't know why he cried and that he was just overwhelmed. And felt things. He's never felt before love emotional connection. Emotional safety felt like he's good enough etc and said that it felt so intense and emotionally comforting to him that makes me feel so proud and honored like he's the sweetest guy and I love him so much I'm also his first bearing the lead there a little bit.
  • [44:00] Mike: Yeah.
  • [44:19] Keith: Is it common for guys to cry when they feel this intense I've only dated emotionally unavailable toxic Heartless kinda appearing guys before him and this feels so special to me I Love him so much.
  • [44:29] Mike: Yeah, are you are you familiar with this theory that ah basically um, a relationship between a man and woman can be divided into the period of time before the man cries in front of the woman and after and the important difference being afterward. Ah, she's basically looking for another partner. Like it's yeah, like basically maybe that's too strong but basically like something important gets destroyed in her appreciation of him. Are you familiar with that theory.
  • [44:55] Keith: I am not that sounds like something that you would see on Red Pill Forums which is not to say that it's not true or true in many cases ah have you seen.
  • [45:09] Mike: I Believe there's some data behind it. But yeah, go ahead.
  • [45:14] Keith: Yeah, have you seen the episode of Louis which was the 4 4 season long sitcom that Louis C K did probably can't see it on Tv anymore he goes on a date with a woman and they go to I think an ice cream store. And they're just eating their ice cream and these four sort of hoodlums come in and kind of like mock him or something and. He sort of makes the judgment in his mind. What am I supposed to do. There's like 4 of them like what am I going to like stand up and fight and so he just sort of like ignores it and the moment passes and later on in the date. The woman says like oh I thought it was sort of unattractive that you didn't stand up for yourself there and.
  • [45:55] Mike: Right.
  • [46:00] Keith: Yeah, this notion that men. It's supposed to be like more and more okay that you know men can be sensitive and ah you know Express more classically female emotions is there's There's this sort of groundswell of support for that kind of behavior. But yeah I Wonder if. When men do something that's super emasculating to themselves if it is hard for many women to avoid the the sort of subconscious negative sexual selection that that must deliver.
  • [46:31] Mike: Yeah, no I mean I think that's right like it. It. Ah and I Also first of all this this thing that I saw there is some amount of like survey data or something behind the notion that women find this more unattractive than men than they let On. Um, and yeah it. There's some.. There's some reason there's some logic behind it I mean similarly to maybe there might be some equivalent the opposite direction like maybe it's that if the man sees the woman not having like shaved certain body parts or maybe without her makeup or like oh no, a great example that we've talked about on the podcast in the past is like ah. And and you've actually like yeah I mean like something involving like toilet behavior like if the woman is not careful enough about pooping all of a sudden like he's she may be permanently less attractive to him.
  • [47:17] Keith: Yeah, there's no more sexual. Ah yeah, it's sort of demystifying right? like it's yeah, they're they're less of sort of like a fantastical sexual object and more of just a human which of course.
  • [47:24] Mike: Right? Yeah, yeah, and so I think. Yeah.
  • [47:34] Keith: You know our intelligent mind should be able to like recognize that people can be you know multiple things. But ah, you know we are still animals and overcoming some of our instincts around that is is hard.
  • [47:44] Mike: Well and it could also I mean there could ah it also could be Adaptive. It's like you're you know, identifying that there's something this person doesn't understand the ah the requirements I mean I understand like people want to have perfect intimacy or like they have some idea of perfect intimacy even though that kind of grosses me out. Where ah, they you know were you know we we don't hide anything from each other but ah yeah I mean people still there's certain like hygiene and other things that are required and ultimately like men may be held to a standard. Maybe not of physical hygiene with like body hair or something like that but like emotional hygiene that men are held to. And yeah, if you if you violate that I thought about when I encountered this ah information I thought about whether like I felt that I'd had that experience in my life and I don't think so of like somebody treating me very differently after some kind of emotional experience. But it's possible I'm not sure. Um, it seems and it seems plausible to me that like that would ah. Would happen Obviously ah I'm much more ah inclined to hide all my emotional experiences and so forth because I dislike intimacy so much So It's easier for me. Oh yeah.
  • [48:48] Keith: I have I've had an experience like this I can't remember if I've told the story of the podcast before or not um I was dating a young lady. Ah, she must have been early twenty s maybe I think she may. Think she's like 23 or 24 and I was in my late 30 s at the time and ah yeah, she was. She was definitely extremely attractive anyway, I went over to her apartment and we had sex.
  • [49:14] Mike: Hot.
  • [49:27] Keith: And then we went to take a shower together a hot shower and this has only happened to me once in my life but I felt felt very lightheaded once I got into the shower and was like a little confused by it and you know so like sort of put my hand on for a second and then. Because I've never fainted before in my life I was like god this must be just some passing thing. So I just sort of ignored it and then the next thing I knew I woke up and I'm like on her bathroom floor and she's like are you okay ah and she was really nice. You know she. Ah, you know got a cold towel or whatever and you know was really nice for the for the rest of the evening. But I mentioned you to ah to a friend at the time and he was like oh you're never going to have sex with her again. And I was like no she seemed she seemed fine with it. You know it was embarrassing but you know we sort of had a laugh about it. He's like no like once she saw I mean you're already much older than her and once she saw your ass like but naked like passed out on our bathroom floor like that does some sort of irreversible damage where she's no longer. Yeah, and so ah.
  • [50:32] Mike: Right.
  • [50:37] Keith: I think we went on like 1 more date and she was sort of weird on that date. You know sort of avoid it or something like I think she felt like yeah I think my friend was right I think I basically did something that was so emasculating that she wasn't able to like sort of view me as as.
  • [50:55] Mike: Yeah I think that's right I mean there're certain they? Yeah ultimately you were no longer an a viable partner. Ah as sort of like absurd as that seems and like I think it go both directions I mean yes ah men appear to view women who poop as not.
  • [50:56] Keith: Sexually interesting anymore.
  • [51:03] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [51:13] Mike: Particularly viable partners. It's rough. It's rough both ways like it's ah both both genders have have expectations that are kind of unreasonable for each other. But yeah.
  • [51:18] Keith: Right? Um, all right I think we have time for 1 or two more topics. We'll actually hold on what is going on with this boy but that like ah like it sounds like so she said that.
  • [51:31] Mike: Oh yeah.
  • [51:35] Keith: You know she's like he's like the sweetest guy and I love him so much I'm also his first. So maybe he thinks that here's a few theories running through my mind first she could be making all this up and this is like some fantasy of hers that like some man is so emotionally available and she doesn't know that like that's not actually something that she probably wants. Ah it could be that. This boy is simulating behaving like that because he thinks that that's what she wants and then you know I guess option 3 is like he did actually feel overwhelmed by some sort of intense feeling of connection that caused him to like weep and cry and tell her that. He felt love emotional connection, emotional safety and like he's good enough. But.
  • [52:15] Mike: There's there's really no positive story here because I like I think the most plausible one is something like oh I was you know I was a loser in high school I was the the guy everybody made fun of or whatever in middle school high school and now finally some woman's given me a hand job. Thank you and it like. Yes, you're basically saying oh you're the woman who stooped low enough. It's just terrible. It's like the messaging here is terrible. It's like yeah I mean look this is ah 1 one of the ah I actually saw god I saw another tickok so embarrassing I got to come up with some euphemism for this I know I know.
  • [52:45] Keith: Ah, okay, yet 2 thirdds of your stories are now starting when I saw a ticktok so noole be three quarters be careful yeah ah
  • [52:51] Mike: It's good. It's good. This is what ah this is what psychological nudity is all about just being honest. Ah, okay, fine doesn't matter what the source was but it was a woman basically saying it was I think she was addressing it to a man who. Had just gotten out of a long-term relationship and was getting out there dating again and she basically was saying like look you should just go to our other thing we were talking about. You should just go like get a hand job at a massage parlor and like I sort of think that in this situation. It's like this dude if he had had a way to get a hand job 3 times or 5 times and just pay one hundred bucks each time.
  • [53:21] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [53:25] Mike: Like this wouldn't be happening because he'd be like oh but yeah I mean like the first time I okay I remember very distinctly. The first time I got it was a blow. Not a hand job in high school I had the fortune of dating somebody who really liked semen in her mouth.
  • [53:34] Keith: Yeah, and.
  • [53:44] Mike: Ah, which was cool. Um, and ah it was in um, it was in a car anyway. Ah, but I didn't have any reaction like this actually actually my reaction was Wow It was harder to it was completely scientific. It was like oh wow it was harder to get off with her doing that than it is beating off.
  • [53:52] Keith: Fairly romantic.
  • [54:02] Keith: Um, right? Yeah yeah, right? Yeah yeah, well you can control everything and PiV better than you can.
  • [54:04] Mike: Ah, that's interesting which I think is really common for men to have that experience with a blow. It's harder and then the first time I had Pi I v it was like oh it was easier that that was easier. Um, but I also felt sort of I Yeah I remember being like a little bit embarrassed because I was like oh like I'd never had an orgasm in front of somebody.
  • [54:21] Keith: Yeah.
  • [54:23] Mike: Of course she wasn't really looking at me that's a thing. So if you're getting a hand job. She's actually watching you and that could be embarrassing right? Um, like the exactly exactly yes, but yeah I mean like I do think that like this kid would have been better served to have some kind of an experience.
  • [54:26] Keith: Yeah, maybe that's why the guy was wearing the black mask in the in our intro video.
  • [54:42] Mike: Yeah I mean people can romanticize your first but I think for a guy like it could be better to just pay for your first n experiences to avoid this kind of situation and to have a little more experience. Yeah I mean it's a little surprising. He couldn't get that experience just on the internet with ah porn. But whatever.
  • [54:59] Keith: Um, yeah, like yeah I'm yeah, it's really hard for me to relate to this notion of just being so overcome by some sort of emotion that I'm weeping as I'm orgasming though those are sort of orthogonal things for me.
  • [55:11] Mike: It is It is.
  • [55:17] Keith: And so I can't really relate and I think I'm like right? Yeah, all right? Let's do ah 1 more here I'm not sure why included this but all right attention fellowas. Do y'all eat butt.
  • [55:18] Mike: Right? I would be much more likely just to be distant. Obviously yeah.
  • [55:34] Mike: Oh.
  • [55:36] Keith: Ladies feel free to answer too are women asking too much to receive oral via ass me and my boyfriend 19 have been having this debate over the span of months now my position I'm not asking him to lick my ass every day after Jim work or a long day but it would be nice to have it tended to from time to time when he goes down on me, especially after a shower. Do not have any bowel issues I superb hygiene I stay shaved and cleaned and even use wipes after every restroom use I believe the butt is only as gross as you allow it to be if you're with someone you trust and with for a long time I don't see the harm in wanting to receive pleasure from getting your ass eaten his position.
  • [56:02] Mike: Now.
  • [56:13] Keith: Women have too high of expectations to think that the average guy should be eating but he thinks it's not a part of sex and shouldn't be as casual as media makes it. My question is what do you all? think and are the typical men eating ass. Please let me know.
  • [56:24] Mike: The the one of the tells here. It was like the third to last point she made it was nice. She had it was like ah she had her contentions at her subpoints. she's she's Good good debate case. She's laid out there but I had a big problem with the point about um someone you've been with a long time like.
  • [56:31] Keith: Yes, yeah.
  • [56:41] Mike: The propensity for a guy to do an activity like this if you've been with someone a long time it declines with time not increase like it's the most compelling. The first time you're with the woman right? like you'd be the most likely yeah novelty.
  • [56:44] Keith: Right? right? Yep, Yeah yeah, you want you want peak Arousal and Newness week. What's the word for Newness novelty is a major major factor.
  • [57:00] Mike: Yes, yeah, yeah, and like it's you know? But yeah I mean once you've already had and this would be kind of a taboo you? Oh I've done this. But once you've done it once to the person. Why why do you have to do it again and again and then okay so that's a major problem with her her case here.
  • [57:03] Keith: And that's.
  • [57:18] Mike: And then secondly I don't the the other thing I don't really understand is what why is she asking for this I mean it's not that pleasurable.
  • [57:26] Keith: Well Okay, she seems to think it is and enough that she's having you know regular debates formal formal debates with her boyfriend about this. Um and I think.
  • [57:32] Mike: Fifth.
  • [57:45] Keith: I mean I think she she also makes a good point or or maybe her boyfriend made this point she mentioned to the point that media Portrayal of ass eating is ah is is flowing right now right? like there's there's more talk about it.
  • [57:59] Mike: Where.
  • [58:01] Keith: Likes making faces if it's not I don't know.
  • [58:04] Mike: Maybe this is what you get on Tiktok. It's just constant ass eating.
  • [58:07] Keith: Um, I But you know I was going to say that show Euphoria. Ah maybe but they actually I haven't seen all all of the second season and so I'm not absolutely sure. But yeah, there actually hasn't been any talk of as eatinging on that show I don't know I feel like it's It's more disgusted to now. And before um, but but I mean look here. Let's ask it this way couples in their twenty s new couples in their twenty s what percentage of time. Do you think the man is eating the ass of the woman ever.
  • [58:28] Mike: Okay.
  • [58:40] Mike: Low like under 5%
  • [58:43] Keith: Oh okay I bet it's like 25 I bet it's 25 but that's still way less than half or whatever.
  • [58:50] Mike: 25% of sexual encounters. The man licks the woman's asshole. Oh oh has ever? Yeah I would go at like 10 or something but okay I take your point. Yes.
  • [58:53] Keith: No, no, no, no, no, no, no 25 of relationships. The man has ever. Ah, yeah. Yeah, okay, we we're haggling around the edges here. Um, yeah, So so in that sense her boyfriend is right? He's like look this is sort of non-normal now if she wants to make it a deal breaker and people make deal breakers out of different things like some people require that their partner be willing to slap the shit out of them.
  • [59:08] Mike: But the the what's the.
  • [59:22] Keith: Some partners may require their partner be willing to eat their ass. You know every third sexual encounter some men require their partner to blow them from time to time right? So like everybody has different requirements. It's just that some are more unusual and harder to find people who are willing to do it than others so she just needs to make a call on that.
  • [59:39] Mike: I think I read another Reddit thread that was saying something about maybe maybe this maybe this is a future topic. Ah that men only consider performing oral on a woman if they are like the man performing oral on the woman. Has something to do with whether he considers her a candidate for a relationship have you encountered this claim. Ah, and so yeah I mean I maybe something similar to that that it's like some kind of I mean although that one that's one that makes sense. It makes sense to me why the woman would ask for that like I don't I mean.
  • [59:58] Keith: Okay, yes.
  • [60:14] Mike: Doesn't make sense to me Why a man would ask for his butthole to be licked either like it other than domination.
  • [60:17] Keith: Um, well setting aside that neither of I neither of us feel interested in this. Some people seem to I mean I don't understand why it's compelling but I don't think they're there I don't think they're pretending they might be confused but they're not pretending that they.
  • [60:27] Mike: Okay, it's top. A absolutely.
  • [60:37] Keith: But that they think they want to. They actually think they want it.
  • [60:38] Mike: I Think there's I Yeah I But I think there can be a lot I think that ah I think that the things that women want that women want in sex a lot of times have a little bit more of a psychological dimension than the things men want. That's not totally true because men want to dominate but like this this this feels more like a socially mediated phenomenon where it's like they get really nothing out of it but they've just like heard that they're supposed to want it or heard that it's a thing that can be asked for and they haven't like thought it through fully.
  • [60:55] Keith: The s.
  • [61:10] Keith: Okay I think this is a good place to stop I think we should start our next episode talking about that because that's sort of a that's sort of a lengthy topic and I and I actually tend to agree with you on it but we should We should give it the time it deserves all right? Well hopefully this woman was able to.
  • [61:22] Mike: Sounds good.
  • [61:29] Keith: Convince her boyfriend that she's she's worth the occasional lick. That's a wrap on episode 61 of your mileage may vary thanks to Mike for his insights and thanks to you for your time should you be so inclined and we hope you are. We can be contacted at Ymmv Pod on Twitter or by email at http://ymmvpod@http://gmail.compay$10 for feedback and always enjoy public questions for the show or even private ones we'll get you next week.