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Episode 7: Giving blowjobs, penis injuries, the trouble with swinging, cock size, semen volume.

Team YMMV | 6-1-2018 | 1:08:02

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The YMMV crew discusses why some otherwise heterosexual men enjoy giving blowjobs, penis injuries, threesomes, the ideal penis size, semen volume, self play during sex and more.

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  • [0:23] Keith: I don't know. And we're gonna get that. I'm gonna ask you the same in a moment. But my guess is that, like you probably know what like your pattern looks like because of your your focus on orgasm. Intensity is for me. Yeah. I don't really know what I do. Like, you know, like, a number of things have come up during this podcast from like, huh? I need to pay more attention to this. Ah, but yeah, I don't I don't know. Do you?
  • [0:34] Mike: I mean, I think that there, yes, but in the sense of like, I think that either there, as I always say, I think they're different sensations you could go for, right. So, for example,
  • [0:48] Mike: for example, I think you could go for a sensation. That's more.
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  • [2:14] Keith: All right, so let's get to it, Mike. We have, ah, number of intriguing post from Reddit to get into, but before we go there, we have to clean up the matter of men who have a burning desire to give, not receive blowjobs. S o that topic from last week and I wanted to share with you a personal matter of mine. Are you ready?
  • [2:17] Mike: Oh, no. Well, I'm not sure if I'm ready. Let's hear
  • [2:26] Keith: it. So should we do the personal matter first, or should we do the blow jobs? Men straight men having this weird desire to give blowjobs first.
  • [2:35] Mike: I don't know if it's weird, but I mean okay, so the way you phrase that made it sound to me like you are about to tell me a secret about your own Orel
  • [2:37] Mike: experiences, but it sounds like they're unrelated. In fact,
  • [2:41] Keith: correct. They're completely separate from each other. All
  • [2:50] Mike: right, well, why don't we clear up the thing from last week? First, I think you had challenged me to find a bunch of guys are a bunch of postings online where
  • [3:12] Mike: men were actually expressing this preference straight men Importantly. Yeah, so I was. It didn't take very long to do some searching, and Aiken recommended the listenership. The word you can search for, Unlike the sex read, it is hetero, flexible, like heterosexual, but hetero, flexible. And you could pretty quickly find men who are out there asking lots of questions within the last few months about this topic.
  • [3:15] Keith: Yeah. So first off
  • [3:23] Keith: there are I mean, just they're already sort of conceding that their heterosexuality is flexible, but
  • [3:55] Keith: setting that aside for a moment, I just want to read one of these, like, here's like a good canonical one, because you use it. You found, like, 10 of these. But all right, so here's straight guys who like to give blowjobs. I'm the guy who identifies the straight. I have close male friends but haven't ever had romantic feelings toward guys not into kissing guys, coddling them or having sex with them. But a guy with a nice cock who lets me suck him off is my new best friend. Some would call me by and maybe it's technically true, but I personally feel like it's more of a fetish and the other guys feel the same. Have you discussed it with anyone? What reactions did you get?
  • [3:58] Keith: Um
  • [4:00] Keith: I mean,
  • [4:01] Keith: I
  • [4:05] Keith: this is I mean, I would just argue that he's gay.
  • [4:05] Keith: Yeah, I don't think
  • [4:11] Mike: so. I mean, I think this makes sense to me and the way it makes sense to me, like the sort of
  • [4:14] Mike: mental, uh, stretch I have to make it.
  • [4:23] Mike: And I've explained this to other people, and I don't Other people maybe don't can't imagine it the way that I can. But imagine if you were able to somehow clone yourself.
  • [4:24] Mike: All right,
  • [4:25] Keith: All right.
  • [4:26] Keith: So if you're able to
  • [4:33] Mike: clone yourself, then like, you could imagine that giving yourself a blow is like masturbating, right?
  • [4:38] Keith: Sure. Well, uh um uh, okay. Go on. OK,
  • [4:48] Mike: well, look, let's split this way. If you cloned yourself or if you were able to say like a J A cloned yourself essentially met, met yourself like it's sort of it's a little hard. You have to sort of
  • [4:51] Mike: be high on acid or something. Sort of. Imagine this fully.
  • [5:01] Mike: Uh, you probably wouldn't be interested in cuddling with yourself or kissing yourself or doing any of those things, but you might be interested. I think, in the experience
  • [5:16] Mike: that the receiver of your genitals has because that's not I don't know. It's something that, like, you know, it's something that you do with your hand when you're masturbating, and it makes sense to me that you would have some curiosity about that with other openings in your body.
  • [5:19] Mike: Yeah,
  • [5:20] Mike: I don't know,
  • [5:24] Keith: I don't. I understand this like,
  • [5:30] Keith: I understand the trick you're trying to employ here, So I just feel like having
  • [5:34] Keith: even if I could auto fleet, even if I could blow myself,
  • [5:42] Keith: you know, like I was flexible enough to do that, I don't think I would be compelled to data that I really
  • [5:47] Keith: I really don't want to have a Penis in my mouth under any circumstance, and it's hard for me, too.
  • [5:51] Keith: I understand, um,
  • [6:02] Keith: men who claim they are otherwise straight having. I mean, they're not. They're not expressing like a small desire here like this is like a like a major thing that seems to be
  • [6:04] Keith: we're gonna get, like, almost an obsession for them.
  • [6:29] Mike: Well, I think it's major. That makes sense completely to me. It's major because it's like it's this thing that sort of violates a norm. That's that they've they have in their life, which is that they're heterosexual, and so it's not really a thing they do, and so they have to kind of go outside their comfort zone, and also they don't I believe them when they say they don't want to have a relationship with a guy And so then it's kind of like, Well, how do you set that up? It's like like then you wind up in the famous glory hole or whatever, not to go down that rat hole.
  • [6:53] Keith: Okay, all right, let me read another one of these. Any straight guys here Ever consider sucking a man's dick? After visiting some subreddit concerning sexuality, I would consider myself very slightly had a reflexive all the thought of a nice, smooth, completely shaven Penis. Sounds pretty cool. So I think what he's doing there is he's like making a less gross in his mind. I'm in no rush with doing this in my life, but I would consider giving a man head just to try it out, to find out something I actually like.
  • [7:03] Keith: We're just a fantasy in my mind but doesn't actually turn me on. If that makes sense, Anyone else here similar also anyone who's similar and one about it. How was it?
  • [7:05] Keith: Uh, it's the same thing.
  • [7:08] Keith: I know he's saying the same thing. I
  • [7:12] Keith: I think these men are
  • [7:15] Keith: like basically bisexual, like
  • [7:27] Keith: it's interesting, like yeah, that he wants it to be shaved is sort of interesting. It's like it's like he's like trying to figure out, like, 1/2 step to make it less masculine. Yeah. Um, but
  • [7:39] Keith: yeah. Look, I think there's a line across which, if you have a Penis in your mouth like, you can't really describe yourself as or if you have, like, this, like huge desire to have a Penis in your mouth.
  • [7:40] Keith: Um,
  • [7:42] Keith: yeah, like you might be a little bit by. Yeah.
  • [7:51] Mike: Okay. So hang on. Hang on. Here's Here's why I have a doubt about that view. Do you feel the same way? If I said if I replace the word mouth with the word hand
  • [7:54] Mike: Yeah, but I think you do that all the
  • [7:55] Keith: time
  • [7:59] Keith: in aversion to wanting tohave
  • [8:07] Keith: No. Oh, my own hand. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, but maybe that's why a lot of men feel like a lot of shame about masturbating.
  • [8:10] Keith: Maybe gay men like for feel shame about masturbating.
  • [8:15] Mike: Well, I have to be honest that I don't understand. Do you feel shame about masturbating? Is that like a thing for you?
  • [8:18] Keith: Shame isn't the right word. Shame
  • [8:21] Keith: implies, like a strength of to the emotion. But
  • [8:25] Keith: what What's like? Some mild mild amount of shame.
  • [8:29] Mike: Embarrassment? Yeah, I guess.
  • [8:39] Mike: Um, embarrassment sort of are a mild embarrassment. It's usually like the step back from shame, Do you mean? Yeah, I don't feel embarrassed about it. I mean, I guess I don't want to, like, do it in front of everybody, but that's
  • [8:41] Mike: that's mostly like that
  • [8:51] Mike: To me. It's like it's the same as I don't want to go to the bathroom in front of everybody either. It's like this thing where it's just kind of private. I don't think it's because I'm embarrassed or ashamed that I go to the bathroom and everybody does. Right.
  • [8:52] Mike: Um,
  • [9:10] Keith: okay, but wait, let's get back to this, right? So, like, I don't wanna have Ah, third, a second person's Penis in my hand or mouth, and I feel like some amount of revulsion to that. And up until I started reading about this like I thought that was sort of a major part of like
  • [9:16] Keith: being heterosexual is like, you know, some sort of, uh, yeah, lack of wanting to do that. But
  • [9:52] Mike: I just don't think that your way of thinking about this holds water. And the reason why is because of my acid trip example. So look, we've already established that you have no problem giving yourself a hand job, right? That's maybe have a little bit of embarrassment. But this is a thing that you do happily maybe more than once a day. All right? Yeah, sure. Now then you come on, come at me with this thing of like, Well, if I got auto filleted now, I wouldn't now. Okay, look, I understand that because it's it's, um it's uncomfortable. And actually, as I've told you before, when I was a teenager, that was something I could sort of barely do on. And then, you know,
  • [10:17] Mike: you get a little bit older and you can't anymore, and it's not. It's it's really uncomfortable. It's not. It's it's not anything that's good. But let's say that, you know, it wasn't uncomfortable. Let's say you were more shaped like a dog or something. It was actually quite easy to do. I don't believe you when you say that you wouldn't do that, because, I mean, if it just feels like two units better, I think that you would do that just like you would, you know, do some other activity like finding the right porn or whatever. Tow. Watch along
  • [10:30] Keith: fine. So for the sake of argument, let's say I would Let's say that, like various things that I can self induce orgasms and myself like I'm willing to dio, I still think like when you introduce another party like that changes things in a material way.
  • [10:42] Mike: Absolutely. I think that that cuts out a lot of people. But I think that that is the line of reasoning that gets you to this idea of, like somebody wanting to
  • [11:15] Mike: play with or have sex with the sort of Penis that doesn't really belong to another person because it's a lot like I think, that I think the need these people are actually trying to achieve is actually to blow themselves like I'm getting a little fried in here. But I actually think that's like they're not for you but like psychological, I think that's actually the need there trying to fulfill here. They're like, I just want to blow a dick and it's some kind of a masturbatory impulse as opposed to them, like I don't think they're really gay. In other words, I think they're just attracted to a dick and the important thing there is you're attracted to dicks to your own.
  • [11:29] Keith: Yeah, but there's a huge gap between I'm not really attracted to my own dick as as I mentioned. Like, there's some amount of shame or embarrassment around my need to excite myself. Uh, really.
  • [11:36] Mike: You never like when you just get, like, a really good erection? You never just sort of look at it like God damn, that thing's impressive.
  • [11:38] Keith: Sure,
  • [11:39] Keith: cause ideo
  • [11:43] Keith: Yeah, from time to time. Yeah. Uh, but it's
  • [11:54] Mike: a nice I mean, if you could be and I do, I I think that I am attracted. I have no shame in that. I think I am attracted to my own Penis. So I maybe maybe in that sense, I'm closer to these people than you are. And I don't have that embarrassment.
  • [11:58] Mike: I think it's like I'm attracted to it. And I think that if I could
  • [12:04] Mike: with that sort of acid trip experiment like, I think that if I could blow myself, I probably would. Now, I don't know about
  • [12:08] Mike: the end of the blow job. I'm not sure what would happen then. I don't know what, uh,
  • [12:35] Mike: but we've already gone down the rat hole of, like tasting your own semen and stuff like that. No need to go there, but I'm not sure if I would blow myself to completion. But I think I would incorporate that into my masturbation play if it were, like comfortable. It simply isn't so. It's irrelevant, Um, but that step. I acknowledge that there's a step that goes further, which is like, Okay, now if it's another person will know, I'm not interested in that. But that's because I don't think I have this psychological trick that I'm playing around like, Oh,
  • [12:45] Mike: you know, I could pretend the other guy's Penis is mine. If I don't cuddle with him or I pretend it's not, you know another person. I'm I know it's another person, and I'm not interested. Even if it was like a Gloria, whatever doesn't
  • [12:50] Keith: right. I think this is getting boring, so we should move on. But like, all right, these guys are all
  • [12:55] Keith: at least these two and some of the other ones that you sent me.
  • [12:56] Keith: I mean,
  • [13:02] Keith: they're expressing interest in the end, giving the other guy an orgasm like it's not just like some,
  • [13:13] Keith: it's not the like, just practice of like having a Penis in their mouth. It's like it's the It's the delivering of pleasure to that man that there looking for, I think,
  • [13:27] Mike: yeah, I just think that it's tied up with their like I think it's tied up in their minds with, like, their own experience of orgasm and stuff like that. I don't I don't think I don't think it may be a step down. The Pats are being gay, but I don't think it is. I will point out there was also that link I gave you, which is
  • [13:52] Mike: gay men's reactions because it's sort of another leg to this argument, gay men's reactions to like the question of whether they'd rather give or receive a blow and the preponderance of them. In fact, I think almost all of them on that thread would rather give a blow, then receive which I think is sort of interesting, like I think that is actually a thing that, like even gay men like giving a blow is more valued than receiving one, which also I've seen be the case on like Craigslist or whatever
  • [13:53] Mike: website.
  • [14:01] Keith: It's not surprising to me like as a heterosexual person like giving my partner an orgasm is
  • [14:22] Keith: something that it can be more interesting than me having an orgasm myself. So, like, that doesn't surprise me at all. That's, like, just feels completely normal to me. It's straight men wanting to give another man an orgasm and that not being a step towards homosexuality, that okay confuses me.
  • [14:34] Mike: So just I want to make sure I understand this. So if you had, like, a one night stand But the one thing that happened in one night stand was you gave world to the woman gave her an orgasm and then that was the end of the sex for the night. You'd be chill with that. That would be cool for you.
  • [14:40] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I would I would also like to have an orgasm, but, uh,
  • [14:42] Keith: yeah, I would feel accomplished.
  • [14:48] Mike: Bravo. I think that's unusual. I think most men are not, uh, straight men. I think I think this is a gay straight difference. Like I think
  • [15:04] Mike: for whatever reason, gay men or guys that ricin Penis is more likely to want to give. But I think the most straight men wantto get the sex and get the orgasm s. Yeah, in, like, sort of a one night stand. Or like a casual kind of encounter.
  • [15:20] Keith: All right, We could stop litigating this, so All right, I'm gonna get to my personal matter and feel free to interrupt me whenever you like. Hear this? I have to set this up a little bit. So, um, I was traveling last week, first to Cleveland and then to Asheville, North Carolina, in North Carolina. It was raining the whole time,
  • [15:34] Keith: and I think it had something to do with the tropical storm that, like, parked itself over the East Coast or something. Anyway, that's not important. What's important is that I was running every morning. I think I ran five times in the four days I was there, and it poured during every run.
  • [15:38] Keith: And something happened that I didn't expect.
  • [15:42] Keith: On the third day, I started noticing,
  • [15:47] Keith: uh, that, like, the tip of my Penis was a little bit sore.
  • [15:51] Keith: And I didn't put it together until after my run. On the fourth day,
  • [16:06] Keith: when I noticed that there was some blood on the top of my Penis run. She's this. So, uh, here's what I think this happened because of their was chafing between, like my soaking running shorts and my
  • [16:09] Keith: my my member. So, uh,
  • [16:20] Keith: here's my question. So it's Friday as a single man. I think I may have an opportunity this weekend that I'll have to pass up because of this injury.
  • [16:22] Keith: Um,
  • [16:30] Keith: two things. One. Do you think I should just stay in and lick my wounds, so to speak? Or should I
  • [16:37] Keith: date normally and make an explanation on Lee? If things get to that point? Well, then I
  • [16:42] Mike: understand. I'm trying to save your status here. Do you have a scab scab on your on your
  • [16:44] Mike: glass? You have a scab on your cock.
  • [17:08] Keith: I am. I'm circumcised. And, like, right on the top of the, uh, of the what? Lands head. Whatever. Think this is funny like, Yeah, Like we've been through this before. Like my vocabulary for describing, like, various parts of my Penis is not good. All right, so you have the shaft and then the head. What is the area like, Right where the chef becomes the head?
  • [17:09] Mike: Oh, the corona. I
  • [17:11] Keith: think
  • [17:20] Keith: the top of my corona, uh, which is the part that, like rubs against my shorts has, like, just like a little sore, and by the way, it's It's
  • [17:23] Mike: healing quickly, but it looks like the Herp.
  • [17:28] Keith: Ah, it is small enough. It's actually small enough that Ah,
  • [17:32] Keith: I don't think anyone would notice. Um
  • [17:37] Keith: and yeah, I don't know. I'm not concerned about that part. I'm concerned about it being painful.
  • [17:38] Mike: Yeah, well, I mean, I
  • [17:41] Keith: think you qualify, especially if I wear a condom.
  • [17:51] Mike: You think the condom would think I was? I was thinking economy and make it less painful because I was thinking the after restriction or something? No. The acidic environment of the vagina, I think, would hurt
  • [17:55] Mike: that I was going for It's almost like putting salt in the water like lemon juice
  • [18:00] Keith: is a female's lubrication, mildly acidic.
  • [18:08] Keith: I think so. I think it's e think. If anything, it's like saliva. It's like very, very, very mildly Solich. Acidic
  • [18:11] Mike: Well, but that might be enough to make it sort of sting. I'm not I'm not totally sure
  • [18:15] Keith: could do. I hadn't even considered that I was concerned about the friction
  • [18:27] Mike: well, but a condom, I think, would also help with with the friction. I mean, it's it's that bad, though the like of you. So are you saying that you're also doing a little note action right now? Have you found some sort of stroke Thio to avoid that?
  • [18:30] Keith: I've been in a no fap.
  • [18:33] Keith: Yeah, since. Ah, since this wound to developed, have
  • [18:36] Mike: you considered doing the thing we discussed? Where you use a vibrator?
  • [18:47] Keith: No, but I don't have one. So I have to go by when there is a sex toy store. One of those, like, really clean ones that they have in San Francisco. I think it's called good vibrations. Ironically, um,
  • [18:50] Keith: so I could I guess
  • [18:55] Mike: it wouldn't work. But, I mean, you could also just buy it on Amazon like they'll fly it to you with a drone or whatever they dio.
  • [19:01] Keith: I think I could masturbate in such a way that would not I I think I still could.
  • [19:04] Keith: That's good to hear, but you've chosen not to correct.
  • [19:14] Keith: I mean, I just want things to hell. Like I wonder if, like you have the n gorging of my Penis will, like, break the Yeah, Maybe it'll heal faster. If I try not to get an erection.
  • [19:24] Mike: I would think that area of her body would heal very quickly. And I kind of doubt that friction on it would matter that much, to be honest. But I'm also confused how you even developed the sore. I
  • [19:30] Keith: think it's just chafing between my wet shorts and adds the head of my Penis.
  • [19:35] Mike: Yeah, maybe need to tie it down more or something. Or maybe stop wearing underwear.
  • [19:55] Keith: Yeah. Yeah, we've been through that before. I think that wouldn't work. So I think we just flop around more, but yeah, I mean, it was wet, like it never rains here in California. Rains here so rarely that you would never have, like, a rainy run four days in a row. And I think it was just as running a lot of miles to like I probably grand 35 miles across the four days or something. Um,
  • [20:00] Mike: yeah, but if you if you don't wear underwear flopping around, it's fine. It won't be flopping against anything.
  • [20:03] Keith: We'll still be wearing shorts. I just won't be wearing underwear.
  • [20:05] Mike: I think that's the key, though. If it's not tight, I know
  • [20:09] Keith: because it was raining it, like gives weight to your shorts That isn't typically there, I
  • [20:13] Mike: say I say you could go on a nude run, I suppose, but Yeah, I hear you.
  • [20:15] Keith: Yeah. Okay,
  • [20:24] Keith: speaking in the realm of practicality, Uh, one other thing here that, like, occurred to me, and this isn't like some profound thought, but,
  • [20:47] Keith: like, men almost never have to worry about being on the bench, like having something sexy that makes them, like, not wanna have sex for some reason on women have, like some, you know, significant percentage of the time that that they have to worry about various things, like they might be menstruating that might be feeling bloated or unattractive in some way. Maybe there's like, some gap in their birth control. Uh, and
  • [20:55] Keith: I'm worried about like it most, like one night. I think I think I can still pull it off anyway. But, um,
  • [21:00] Keith: yeah, it's another thing that certain, you know, isn't great for women. Well,
  • [21:07] Mike: I think, but I think you could flip that around and say, like, it's sort of nice that, like you have this situation, we're like, there's no pressure on you,
  • [21:16] Mike: you know? I mean, like, you don't if you Yeah, if you just can't do it then, like you could maybe just go out and have a good time. And you don't have to like a mitt sex the whole time, right? You're I mean,
  • [21:21] Keith: my my evening experiences aren't that obsessive and focused.
  • [21:26] Keith: Go to charity tonight, anyway. So you know, who knows? Um,
  • [21:28] Keith: Anyway, uh,
  • [21:30] Keith: we could move on
  • [21:31] Keith: to my
  • [21:35] Keith: from my biological matter. So, uh, let's see here.
  • [21:45] Keith: Um, yeah, we've got a couple here that are related to the same thing, which is this idea of, like, a threesome causing, um,
  • [21:56] Keith: issues after a threesome has been head. So the 1st 1 here, I'm gonna sugary both of these. Do you think? Just so that we have both topics on the table? Yes. Okay. All right. To
  • [22:23] Keith: my husband and I had a threesome, and I need advice now. I feel super insecure. Husband and I are both 26. We recently had a threesome with another girl. I feel horrible now. She made him orgasm better. She kind of faster. He has a lot more vocal with her. It was also my idea during it turned me on. Now I feel inadequate because of it, but I really love him. Even after the threesome, we grab some food on my husband and the girl constantly glanced at each other with a little smile, and it made me feel bad. Please, I need it by saying sapi
  • [22:25] Keith: Okay, so that's Ah,
  • [22:46] Keith: one. Uh, here's to this one's a little bit longer. My husband 27. My Oh, sorry, this person's a 27 year old females and her husband's a 29 year old mile. My husband has completely changed us. We had an encounter with another couple. We've been married for five years. I was still a virgin when we got married, but he had one prior partner. As you'd expect. I was pretty and experience when we started having sex. I come from a religious conservative home, so
  • [22:53] Keith: I didn't even have much experience with masturbation. I difficulty having orgasms, so we decided to trust Mother. Thanks to the help of a vibrator, I was finally able to.
  • [22:59] Keith: We had what I consider to be a good sex life. I usually never was able to orgasm through penetration, but my husband would use a dildo when I used a vibrator,
  • [23:08] Keith: usually still had an orgasm. Every time after two years into our marriage, my husband brought up the idea of trying out swinging. I didn't like the idea, by the way. Well, whatever. Well,
  • [23:17] Keith: I'll just keep reading without editorializing. I didn't like the idea, so I said no. He kept bringing it up every so often. And around a year ago, we watching TV show about swinging play foreign TV.
  • [23:37] Keith: I'm sure that was a real documentary there. It wasn't what I had expected at all, My husband said. I've only ever been with him. It would be good to have other experiences. I still wouldn't want to do it. But after watching the show, it had changed my mind about it and didn't seem like it would be as bad as I had initially thought kept watching the show. And he kept bringing up the idea of trying. And in a few weeks ago, he said, Okay, we tried out and see how it went. I just found a couple on a website
  • [24:00] Keith: and last weekend we went over to their place. We like them, so we decided to go for it and we ended up having sex with them wasn't bad at all, and I didn't feel jealous or anything like that. I had a lot of fun. Think my husband is a bit jealous and has been angry. We've had a few fights about it over the weekend. My husband called me a whore in a moment of anger. He has been angry and in a bad mood all week, and I feel like I'm walking on eggshells and any little thing sets him off into a fight. Does anyone have any suggestions how to help him get over it?
  • [24:04] Keith: Um, I could get some thoughts, but I've been reading for a while. What you have to say about this Mike. Well, this is
  • [24:16] Mike: like a really common topic that comes up. There's there's some standard replies that people give that I think are good, but I mean, like, the the core of it is like,
  • [24:26] Mike: Well, OK, actually have two different faces of the same situation there, right? You have one more like the guy's mad and the one where the woman is upset. Uh, the one where the woman's upset, I mean look like
  • [24:41] Mike: this is because the guy is going to be attracted to the novelty of the new woman like. That's primarily why he wants to do this right. He's like, This is fantastic. I get toe sort of have a study partner and get this sort of novelty that's gonna like, sort of peek up my experience
  • [25:08] Mike: repeatedly, and she's jealous of that. But it's like, What do you want? I mean, that's that is like what the the male brain is like designed for on some level. Ah, the other one. I'm think it's just some sort of like a jealousy thing. The guy, like, basically, is like and I think, maybe got maybe the other guy had, like, a bigger cock or something like that, and now he's sort of jealous. He's like she she liked it better. But I've seen even worse ones on the sex separate where, uh, like, for example, like the
  • [25:40] Mike: Yeah, there was one in particular. I remember reading a while back where ah, it was a guy and then the other, you know, they did an M F. M M FM, where it's like the guys don't have sex with each other. They both just have sex with a woman. And the other guy who comes to the picture has a much bigger Penis. And the reaction of the woman is just like crazy. Like she she's enjoying so much. And the husband is just like no and you, like He described it so well. Like he's basically like his marriage was like dissolving in front of his eyes as his wife was like orgasm again and again with this stud.
  • [25:52] Mike: Yeah, yeah, I think that's like a really common thing that happens in these threesome situations. It's like whoever like the left out partner is just gets, like, emotionally destroyed. Another persons like I don't understand what's what's wrong,
  • [25:55] Mike: right? Super Super risky anyway,
  • [25:56] Keith: were you?
  • [26:02] Keith: Yeah. I mean, this just seems like normal human evolutionary biology, right? Like it's
  • [26:20] Keith: ah, one or both of the people in the original couple are probable to get jealous. But I don't see, I think if you I think there are people who are, like, sort of lifelong swingers that basically slowly disabuse themselves of that emotion. But,
  • [26:27] Keith: uh, yeah, in the early days of swinging, I'm sure it comes up all the time, and I'm not sure how they could
  • [26:33] Keith: possibly be avoided. Maybe you could get some sort of psychotherapy before you do it for the first time.
  • [26:42] Mike: Yeah. I mean, I think like it makes some sense to me that, like a better strategy if this is really what you want to do is to basically, like, be polyamorous and have, like,
  • [26:58] Mike: you know, your relationships with other people kind of hidden from your main partner. But I've talked to people in that situation before, and basically, the way they characterize it is like, Yeah, you know what? My boyfriend, my husband just cheats on me all the time like that's there could be their experience with that, too. It's just hidden, but they know it's going on right.
  • [27:01] Keith: It's better than watching him cheat on you.
  • [27:04] Keith: I think it probably is.
  • [27:13] Keith: It depends. I mean, you, maybe maybe you Maybe if you see it. And it's not that great for him, although it's probably gonna be because it's a new partner,
  • [27:14] Mike: right?
  • [27:35] Mike: Yeah. I mean, he's probably going to enjoy it a lot, and you're probably gonna get kind of jealous and not be that happy. There's going to be some sort of lull in the action where you're basically just watching and, ah, some sort of jealousy is going to arise. But on the other hand, you could say the like when it's hidden from you. Maybe like, it's even then you invent something in your head. But probably what you invented your head is more or less accurate. So
  • [27:36] Mike: I
  • [27:45] Keith: think some people actually get aroused by jealousy. Um, so that, you know, there may be some subset of people who enjoy that aspect. I'm not sure.
  • [27:55] Mike: Yeah, I would have some questions in my mind as to whether, like, a person that's like that is really going to be the kind of person that would be in a stable relationship in the beginning, in the
  • [27:56] Mike: in any case, so
  • [27:57] Keith: right.
  • [27:59] Keith: Um,
  • [28:03] Keith: yeah. I mean, yeah, I'm not sure if there's anything else to wrestle to the mat there.
  • [28:04] Mike: Have you ever known anybody who is doing
  • [28:06] Keith: this?
  • [28:08] Keith: Um, swinging?
  • [28:11] Mike: Yeah,
  • [28:12] Mike: or probably
  • [28:14] Mike: not, like, not like, openly.
  • [28:20] Keith: Yeah. No, I guess not. That's weird because, you know, I live in San Francisco. Um,
  • [28:27] Keith: and you know, there are a lot of people that have, like, very liberal views on, you know what healthy relationships might look like.
  • [28:38] Keith: But I don't know anyone who who's outwardly into that. I do know Ah, few women who you know and men who claim they're polyamorous.
  • [28:39] Keith: But
  • [28:49] Keith: most of them, like I don't really want to talk about it and end, you know, maybe this is just me being square, but like my immediate suspicion is that there's like some other.
  • [28:56] Keith: It's not really polyamory. It's just that they're like, not that into their primary partner and are messing around with other things.
  • [29:10] Mike: Yeah, I could see that there's actually a thing and I don't know. I think it's one of touches on one of our other topics here, which is, I've read some threads about this where somebody's basically because another thing you see is people asking advice because they're planning to do this
  • [29:19] Mike: on the last advice on the sex supper. And, of course, one of the standard piece of advice is like basically either a Don't do it or be like prepare yourself for some really difficult stuff
  • [29:31] Mike: because this tends to be problematic for relationship. Um, but the thing people, the thing people will say to the guy is that it matters which person you nut in or on.
  • [29:33] Mike: So it's like
  • [29:43] Mike: they basically will say that like hah, like it's important to nut in the primary partner and not like the novelty partner
  • [29:52] Keith: that makes sense to me. There's a lot of, like hormones and, like chemical stuff that happens around that, so that doesn't that make sense.
  • [29:54] Mike: You think it's just a chemical thing. You don't think it's like a, uh,
  • [29:59] Keith: not their psychological stuff, too. But I mean,
  • [30:05] Keith: listen, I think it would be pretty annoying. Tow watch like some other guy like nut in my girlfriend.
  • [30:10] Keith: I'm not begging to have, like, you know, multi partner relationship with her, either. Wait a
  • [30:21] Mike: minute. This is That's the other situation I was describing. Basically, if it's two women and a man than this issue comes up, if it's two men and a woman, well, if he doesn't not in your girlfriend, there's only another person.
  • [30:23] Mike: So you're saying he'd rather have
  • [30:27] Keith: You can leave and go to the bathroom or never come it? Yeah, I mean, yeah.
  • [30:29] Mike: Is that like I saw clues that I saw a, uh
  • [30:35] Keith: I can. It's hard for me to imagine a situation where I would consent to an M m f
  • [30:36] Keith: or am I
  • [30:51] Mike: right? Am FM this? I actually saw a porno within the last, Like, a year, Six months, Something like that. And it was some kind of alert today. No, it wasn't. It was a while back. It was It was It was interesting. It was like a cuckold porn, which is basically this
  • [31:07] Mike: close to tangential to what we're talking about here. Yeah. And the premise of the porn was that this guy was gonna watch some other guy have sex with his wife, and then and this was part of the porn. He the guy who's filming is going to go in the bathroom and jerk off into the toilet.
  • [31:20] Mike: And so, like, part of his like punishment. And you got to watch it. You've got to watch like him watching the other guy, they finish having sex and and in the end of the porn is a sort of sad scene where he walks into the bathroom and just jerks off into the toilet.
  • [31:26] Keith: I'm not sure, I guess. All right. So cuckold porn is weird's a cuckold is when
  • [31:42] Keith: you watch your wife or girlfriends usually wife ah, have sex with another partner and ah, big part of it. in fact, maybe definition. Aly. You're supposed to be being sort of shamed as part of it. Is that right?
  • [31:43] Keith: That's
  • [31:47] Mike: my understanding. Yeah, but it's not. It's not my go to
  • [31:52] Mike: porn topic or, uh, you know, category. But yes, I
  • [32:05] Keith: know it's a thing. You know. You always see it on the categories on the various porn sites. Um, I just don't understand, Like, why that would be compelling. Like, Are there a lot of men that, like, maybe feel like they're not satisfying their partner? And so
  • [32:15] Keith: watching porn where, like some guy is being embarrassed and somebody else's satisfying their partner is like, That's intriguing to them for some reason. Like what? What's going on there?
  • [32:19] Mike: I think it's, I think it's, ah, men wanting to be submissive.
  • [32:23] Mike: That's right. So they're trying to find a way to basically like,
  • [32:37] Mike: Yeah, yeah, it's It's to me. It's like psychologically analogous to being with, like a dominatrix who like ties you up and hits you or something. He's like trying to find a way to be sort of ashamed or like, kind of have this kind of negative experience that that makes him feel very small.
  • [32:43] Keith: But this is like I mean, he's not even getting off except for jerking off into the toilet. That was
  • [33:01] Mike: a part I loved. I just found that. So, like, poetic and beautiful. He's like, Now I will do this. It z impressively pathetic. And, of course, on Pornhub. Like that was the part. You know, they have that little indicator that shows who watches what part? And that part I was It was the count was one. I was the only person who was like, All right,
  • [33:05] Mike: I'm gonna watch this guy jerk off in the toilet. I was like,
  • [33:11] Keith: Yeah, but yeah, there's, like, a big damp in the viewer. The viewer numbers there. That's funny.
  • [33:12] Keith: Of course.
  • [33:23] Keith: Shocked better. That wasn't the thing that most people were fighting enjoying. Um, okay, let's go to our next topic. This is Ah, we're doing a good job today, getting through these topics. Okay, Uh, this is
  • [33:25] Mike: one so far, but going Yeah,
  • [33:53] Keith: yeah, you're right. Well, okay. I felt like more. Uh, okay. Um, so this is the subject of this has been deleted, but we could still see the content of this has been deleted, but you can still see the subject, and it's simply dicks. Colin, how big is too big? And, you know, as usual on Reddit, the real contents buried and be comments on the first is Ah, this guy says, You know, I'm not a female, but I've heard that if you were ramming into their cervix, that's uncomfortable.
  • [34:06] Keith: That's true. That's true. And then a number of people say some girls sort of like it. And then the this guy, you know that others are saying, like, now if they like it, they're psychos. It's, you know, just painful way
  • [34:10] Mike: need to get to the authentic woman's Penis size preference chart.
  • [34:22] Keith: I'm slow playing this a little bit to get to the actual thing. So, uh, there is a chart which I had never seen until, uh, you know, I started researching for for our show today,
  • [34:23] Mike: of course, had because I'm a terrible person.
  • [34:25] Keith: Right? So this is maybe
  • [34:27] Mike: maybe I made the chart. I don't even know.
  • [34:28] Mike: Thing
  • [34:29] Keith: is
  • [34:40] Keith: Penis size debate that calm way. This does. Who is this? Who is? Look up. Still work? Or is it turned off because of GDP? Are How
  • [34:43] Mike: do you want to know who owns Penis size debate. I don't know
  • [34:49] Keith: when Penis size debate dot com was registered. Okay, was registered in 2002 so
  • [35:06] Keith: it's been around for a while, so, yeah, if you look up the ideal Penis size listeners, you'll be able to find this chart so it starts. Obviously, penises come in all kinds of combinations of length versus girth, which leads us to the final, most important point. Where do you fit on the scale of women's preferences? What what does she think about your Penis?
  • [35:09] Keith: And this chart
  • [35:13] Keith: on the X axis is length, um,
  • [35:16] Keith: ranging from 3.5 to 11 inches.
  • [35:19] Keith: And on the why excess is circumference
  • [35:29] Keith: ranging from about the same 3.5 to 9 and 3/4 inches, eh? So that, you know, is often also called girth. And then there's like a heat map showing
  • [35:36] Keith: like what length and circumference things are sort of not satisfying at all.
  • [35:46] Keith: Enjoyable is the lowest level, satisfying its next highest, very satisfying but not perfect and ideal and parentheses. It's is perfect here, Um, but
  • [36:00] Mike: the great thing about this chart is that, like, because Okay, so I don't think most men may be? No, they're circumference. A lot of men. I actually think every man knows his length. I think every man I mean, it's a fun thing to do to get a ruler and do that. But where you from?
  • [36:02] Mike: For the length? Yeah.
  • [36:26] Mike: I mean, you measure from you. You take a tape, measure a ruler and you do the top, meaning the part that's closest to your your head, your face. You get yourself a wreck and you push it against your pubic bone. No, I mean, yeah, basically, you push it in. So it's sort of like if there's any little bit of fat over the pubic bone, you sort of like Take that out. And then you measure to the to the media says it would, as it were, the tip where you know, it's actually on. When you have your sore,
  • [36:27] Keith: we agree
  • [36:36] Keith: I don't wear No, my sore is on is on the It's not on the tip. It's on the like right where the shaft meets the head. No,
  • [36:43] Mike: I know. I would think that's why I'm saying it's beyond. Okay. Sorry. Beyond okay, but But you would The ruler would be touching your sore If you were measuring this way.
  • [36:48] Keith: Way? Yes, it would. Yes. Yeah. Um, my
  • [36:49] Keith: premed background.
  • [36:55] Mike: And then for circumference, I assume most guys penises air pretty cylindrical. So just sort of on the shaft somewhere.
  • [37:00] Mike: Interestingly, this thing that's your comforts for this chart starts at 3.5. Which, if I remember my
  • [37:06] Mike: junior high math correctly suggested, like these are people who have a one inch
  • [37:14] Mike: diameter like the cross. The cross section of the Penis is only one inch, which is pretty narrow if you think about it. But But really, the funny thing here is that
  • [37:41] Mike: I think I think the normal for a man is something like 5.5 to 66 inches long and maybe 5 to 5.5. Interest or conferences? What I've seen. And according to this chart, that that is not satisfying too small, too narrow, not gonna do it. And to be satisfying And to get an A on this chart, you need to be eight inches long and 6.5 inches wide. And I encourage our listeners to actually get like, a sheet of paper and make
  • [37:46] Mike: a Penis that's that size and see how big that is Because it's pretty big.
  • [37:49] Keith: So have you read the methodology?
  • [37:53] Keith: And And by the way, if you scroll down and seen things this
  • [37:56] Keith: weird Penis picture they have Yeah,
  • [38:03] Mike: it's not. So we're looking. It's kind of Ah. Looks like somebody's arm. And they, like photoshopped it to remove the hand at the end of the arm of a Penis. Head on it.
  • [38:06] Keith: Yeah. Okay. Um,
  • [38:16] Keith: what is their methodology for? How did they create this graph? It's obviously just bullshit. Okay, but one could imagine creating a graph like this.
  • [38:19] Keith: Thousands of women. Um,
  • [38:23] Keith: and you'd have to have them have sex with dozens of penises.
  • [38:32] Mike: Yeah. I mean, the first thing I would say here is that in my experience, women are absolutely atrocious at guessing the s size of
  • [38:46] Keith: place to be blinded, right? That you wouldn't ask them for this. I should have to have you. You measure the Penis, and then the Penis would go in. It would have sex with the woman. And then she would just report on 0 to 10. Her satisfaction.
  • [38:51] Mike: Sure, but I mean, like, it would be of course, impossible for the woman to separate out.
  • [38:55] Mike: Like how she feels about the man from that, like so it's not. It's just not a realistic
  • [38:57] Keith: she could be blindfolded.
  • [39:01] Keith: In fact, they could actually not even use actual Penis. Is that
  • [39:01] Keith: you
  • [39:07] Mike: could just replace you. Just replace all of the little squares in this graph with our for rape.
  • [39:13] Keith: No, I was thinking it could be a dildo or something. She would have to consent to this. You know, there'd be a waiver and all that. But
  • [39:18] Mike: I mean, there, Keith, there are I mean, I can't even count. There must be
  • [39:23] Mike: This thing's like a 20 by 20 charts stuff, Section 400 men. And how
  • [39:24] Keith: are you gonna find
  • [39:26] Mike: a man with 11 inch Penis? It's nine and 3/4. Inches
  • [39:29] Keith: circumference. You could
  • [39:34] Keith: It's no, it's I'm suggesting you used, like, dildos of different sizes.
  • [39:36] Mike: I just think the like it.
  • [39:49] Keith: Zen did you just do, like 30 strokes per dildo and have you know Oh, you know, it could be like it could be like when you get an eye test, you know he's psycho. Case is a better and then, you know, just five strokes and there's be better than it does like five strokes, eh?
  • [39:50] Keith: Be.
  • [39:58] Mike: But it wouldn't work that way because if you start out if you started with the huge one and then went to the tiny one, that would be vastly different than starting with the tiny woman going
  • [40:02] Keith: on. I mean, this is why you would need a lot of
  • [40:05] Keith: things is the kind of stuff that Kinsey Institute should be doing.
  • [40:06] Keith: I
  • [40:09] Mike: don't think that it would be productive. Yummy. I think it is.
  • [40:14] Mike: But the other thing it's funny about this is that, like they've carefully made it to the graphic
  • [40:16] Keith: looks like a Penis. They made it so
  • [40:29] Mike: it looks like a cross section of a Penis all down to like the blood vessels and stuff. But but setting that aside, they've made it so pretty much. No matter how long you are, you're fine. If it looks like you could be like 15 inches long and you'd still be pretty good,
  • [40:37] Keith: enjoy the graft. The graph ends at 11 inches, so it's it's unclear like where I would fall here, but, um,
  • [40:43] Mike: actually, we actually have agreed as a stipulation for this podcast not to get into our Penis sizes, at least maybe later.
  • [40:48] Keith: I mean, I feel like eventually the gloves are gonna come off there, but not for now. For now,
  • [40:52] Keith: it's not really a subject most people care about,
  • [40:56] Keith: but you and I care about it, but yeah, Yeah, most listeners probably don't care. Well, the thing
  • [41:09] Mike: about it also is you immediately get the question of like, Are we telling the truth? How do we know? And that's like So you have to understand the history of, like, we have a lot of things we take on faith from one another. We're not actually getting erections and measuring each other's penises.
  • [41:11] Mike: I don't want to do that.
  • [41:18] Keith: Anyway, Imagine needing to go there at some point anyway. All right? Let's No, I can't. I'm not doing.
  • [41:20] Keith: Um
  • [41:21] Keith: uh
  • [41:26] Mike: I guess we get higher like a woman to measure both of each of us we got could see doing that. Yeah,
  • [41:41] Keith: you almost need a few third party auditors, though, just because anyway, s o, I don't understand. So this chart obviously is B s. The way you know it's B s is because it's labeled the authentic women's.
  • [41:52] Keith: That sounds like something it sounds like trump steaks or something. Right? If something is the official or the authentic like you immediately know it's total garbage. Uh, but, um okay. All right. Is that the way I
  • [42:20] Mike: know it's B s is because I know what the averages are from. I mean, you could just look on Wikipedia and the averages here show up. It's not satisfying. And I also know, from reading way too many posts on the sex Subreddit that the area that women would say his ideal is much larger than what they're saying here. Like women generally, I don't care about this. Feel like have a micro Penis. They care if it's really small. If it's really, really big, they don't like it. But there's a pretty big area where it's fine, which makes sense, because the point of having sex is to reproduce, right, So, like, yeah,
  • [42:25] Keith: yeah, they shouldn't be getting suddenly choosy once they've already selected a maze. Think
  • [42:34] Mike: about it this way. If it mattered that much, just like breast size, if it mattered that much, all men would have around the same size Penis, like the size of your good point. the size of your head sort of matters
  • [42:48] Mike: both for being able to be birthed by a woman. But also, like the size of your brain needs to be in. People generally have around the same size head. There's a lot of body parts like that. Penis is not like that. Why? Because it doesn't fucking matter. Same with your nuts. Same with women's breasts. Like it doesn't actually matter.
  • [42:49] Keith: Yep.
  • [42:51] Keith: Um
  • [42:54] Keith: yeah. Okay. All right. Let's Let's move on. So,
  • [42:57] Keith: uh, yeah, let's do
  • [43:00] Keith: Okay, Uh, gotta pull this up here. And by the
  • [43:17] Mike: way, this guy on Reddit, his worry was that he had too big of a cock. Not too small, I think. I think maybe that was deleted, but I did read it and make a little summary beforehand. Yeah. You want to be clear, the like. Of course, the guy on Reddit is not worried about the small. He's like, Look, I I've got a 10 inch dong here anyway, right? So
  • [43:26] Keith: he's full of shed. Almost certainly, but almost family. Yeah, unless, like every single person read, it's in, like 99.9 9/9 percentile. So that thing
  • [43:30] Mike: of ah of stabbing the cervix is a real thing.
  • [43:33] Keith: Yeah, that's well known, I think. Yeah.
  • [43:35] Keith: Um,
  • [43:44] Keith: yeah. Okay. All right. Anyway, anyway, so All right. This is about to the emotion of coming inside of girl. Uh, from from her view.
  • [44:02] Keith: Ladies, what's the emotional attachment? Slash reaction to having a guy come in. You girlfriend asked me to come in her for the first time the other day and I could tell she was different after not in a bad way. I could tell it brought us closer. Just wondering where her head could be during and after. By the way, the look in her eyes, she asked me to come in her was the sexiest thing I've seen in a long time.
  • [44:05] Keith: How old do you think this person is?
  • [44:09] Keith: 12.
  • [44:11] Keith: Um, they're two things
  • [44:21] Mike: about this one is this is the topic that refers back to that thing with the threesome, right? Because it's like the coming where you come mattering. Yes,
  • [44:30] Mike: but the other thing is that you have told me before that you I think correct me If I'm wrong, I may be misremembering but that you have the perspective that when you
  • [44:42] Mike: is it, it's either when your Penis goes in her vagina or when you come in here and you can correct me on that, that you feel like there is a change in the way the woman sort of like treats you. Basically, she sort of
  • [44:49] Mike: don't go too strong on this, But you sort of falls in love with you at that moment and it's it. It becomes a much more serious relationship from the woman's perspective. In your experience,
  • [44:52] Keith: I mean the first time without a condom.
  • [44:52] Keith: I'm not exactly
  • [44:54] Mike: sure. Actually, maybe you could clarify, but I
  • [45:02] Keith: don't know. I don't know what you're referring to. Your referring to something I told you, but I guess I don't know. I don't remember what you're talking about. Well,
  • [45:16] Mike: basically, you have this perspective that, like there is a some kind of a phase change in your relationship with with a person you're dating when you first, there's some moment in sex when like sure, infatuation with you grows. Maybe there's like a step function. I
  • [45:26] Keith: don't think that that's not unusual, I think after, like a couple becomes sexual with each other. Typically, there's like a increase in felt intimacy, right?
  • [45:36] Mike: Sure, But you don't think that it's like I have the impression that it was attached specifically to some, like moment. You're just saying it's like as soon as they're naked together or whatever.
  • [45:42] Keith: Yeah, I guess. Or after orgasms have been head, Perhaps I'm not. I'm not sure,
  • [45:44] Keith: but okay, I mean, I think like
  • [45:50] Mike: the guy from a guy's perspective, I think that's one of the things that I think is interesting about this topic on the sub. Reddit is like
  • [46:11] Mike: If you go through the comments, the women are sort of romanticizing this moment in this really deep way, like it's like it's so profound like he's having like some of them will say, like he's having this experience inside my body where they'll say, like, uh, some of the women will go on and on about feeling his cock throbbing, which actually is kind of hot, like it's a little bit like little Rodica. Yeah,
  • [46:24] Keith: all right, well, let me just read some of these just for our audiences. Edification. For me, it's just really hot having him to having him be ableto have his orgasm while still inside me and extremely close to me. Remember, first asking my ex to come in me,
  • [46:34] Keith: and then we did it all the time. I was on birth control, but for me it doesn't really matter if they come actually goes in me or if he's wearing a condom. I just like the feeling of him coming and still being inside so fucking hot. There's someone else.
  • [46:41] Keith: This feeling of throbbing inside me is just the best thing ever. And then they have the I's with hearts emoji,
  • [46:42] Keith: um,
  • [46:46] Keith: another person. Personally, I love how much more powerful his threats
  • [47:13] Keith: I can't believe I'm reading is how much more powerful his thrust get when he's about to come. And then the slow, hard thrust when he's climaxing that, plus the feeling of his dick pulse inside me usually feels close during orgasm. I'm on top of the climax is I can usually ride myself to orgasm it almost the same time. It's the best feeling ever. I don't know if they're romanticizing. I mean, I think that evolutionarily like women, are probably meant to make men orgasm in them, so it's not like shocking that that's a feeling they enjoy.
  • [47:27] Mike: Do you know when I first read this, I'll be honest that I read all those comments that you just read live on the air and turned on our one female listeners. Yeah, she's like, she's gonna just rewind and listen to your sexy voice.
  • [47:32] Mike: Yeah, but do you actually do slow, hard thrusts at the end like
  • [47:34] Keith: that?
  • [47:40] Keith: Slow and harder? Almost. I guess they're not. I guess those are different axes.
  • [47:49] Keith: Yeah. They like to access for thrusters. They're slow and fast. And then there's hard and soft, I guess. What would a soft thrust be like?
  • [47:50] Mike: I would use the word
  • [47:52] Keith: gentle.
  • [47:53] Keith: Okay?
  • [48:05] Keith: Yeah. Not so. Like you're not, like, fully going to the Hilton yet when the hilts meets her, you know, cubic bone. You're you're slowing down or something, but it is you. Isn't that just slow?
  • [48:45] Mike: Um, you think about this for a second. Okay, So the way I'm imagining it is this is important. We're wrestling it to the Mac. You, uh the way I'm imagining it is when you say faster, slow. It's a question of how many and we've actually discussed this. Stop it before. How many? How many thrusts per minute? You know, I'm imagining that the number of thrust per minute declines. Yes, and but the hardness is Yeah, like basically, when you get to the end of the thrust, like how much force is behind it? So are you. Sort of like doing it gently where it's like, you're Ah, you're just probing like your If you were sort of putting your finger gently in your in your ear or something like that, or are you doing it? So it's sort of smacking against her pelvis when you're
  • [48:48] Keith: there. Heard access here. That is Ah,
  • [48:52] Keith: uh, deeper shallow?
  • [48:59] Mike: Well, yeah, I think so. But I think here it's clear that they mean so if you were gonna have Okay, first question. Is that 1/3 axis?
  • [49:02] Keith: I think these axes are not orthogonal.
  • [49:09] Keith: Not perfectly. Doesn't make sense to anyone listening. But yeah, these things are related. In other words, that's right. That's
  • [49:30] Mike: right. Yeah. You could come up with some combination of these three things that would never happen, like shallow, shallow and hard. It doesn't make very much sense because its brightness. Thank you exactly. Okay, but But I think we I think we're understanding. I think we can understand what she's saying is basically It's slow, the staccato of his thrusting, a slow, maybe one per second,
  • [49:31] Mike: maybe a little faster.
  • [49:37] Mike: And he's hitting her sort of heart. And my question is, Is that what you do
  • [49:38] Mike: when you're nothing?
  • [49:40] Mike: Ah,
  • [49:47] Keith: maybe. I mean, once the nuts begun, I, you know, sort of bury it generally. That's what I thought,
  • [49:52] Mike: because it's like So what I've always thought is that you have this.
  • [50:11] Mike: Is that okay? I think the most men, although I've noticed important, this isn't always true, which then makes me think that like they're faking somehow or whatever. But most men, I think the behead, the, uh, glands of the Penis becomes super sensitive. Right? Right when you're Nutting afterward, which can actually problem. And you're getting a blow because like, it's a little tricky. Think
  • [50:18] Keith: this is another reason why, like, I don't love blowjobs. It's that like, yeah, it can make the nut not quite as satisfying, but going
  • [50:25] Mike: no. I think that's a real issue on it requires some technique on the givers aside, toe kind of manage that, But
  • [50:37] Mike: but the interior of the vagina sort of like inflates a little bitter. There's that's not the right word for it, but it's sort of, like grows a little bit so that when you're
  • [51:12] Mike: thrusting most of the friction is kind of the outer third say of the vagina. And so I've always thought, Well, that makes sense. Because basically, this is incentivizing the guy when he's about to nut to keep it buried deep in there and not for rust. And that makes sense to me because, like, where do you want the semen? You want it as far in as possible? Presumably. I mean, yeah, basically, as far as possibly want to get away in there. And so I when I read this, it didn't ring true to me because I was thinking to myself, Well, who thrusts slow and hard as he nuts like that doesn't make any sense. Like you think you would sort of Maybe maybe you'd slow down as you got close to
  • [51:16] Keith: nothing. You're criticizing the adjective usage of Ah,
  • [51:23] Keith: you know, I turned to find the user here. User name here. Uh, read it. Yeah. I mean,
  • [51:47] Keith: you're right. That does not. Okay, Here it is. I love how much more powerful has thrust Get when he's about to come and then the slow heart throw STS thrusts. While he's climaxing. She probably she probably just isn't yet. She doesn't quite. Maybe she means that may be the slow hard thrusts she's talking about are like the actual pulses of his climax. Although we've discussed before, like how much that's available.
  • [52:04] Mike: Yeah, I don't I don't buy that, you know? I mean, look, I'm not saying it's impossible for a guy to keep thrusting and particularly a guy, maybe who beats off too much. And so he's, like, desensitized everything down there. Yeah, uh, not, you know, but he has the older the old iron fist,
  • [52:11] Mike: but yeah, I just that that part, I thought You always pick out these little I always pick out these little bits of the comments that I'm like. Well, that that sounds weird to me. Yeah,
  • [52:13] Keith: I think she just doesn't.
  • [52:19] Keith: I mean, remember, like, the average port a John read it is eight or something. So, like, you know, two,
  • [52:21] Mike: I hope it's not eight.
  • [52:24] Mike: Probably to illustrate a point here. Like like
  • [52:27] Keith: the people who are commenting on
  • [52:31] Keith: orgasm intensity are probably not experienced enough to really
  • [52:36] Keith: have valid opinions or as valid opinions now,
  • [52:44] Mike: do you? Do you have a go to thrust pattern that you achieve in, say, the 10 seconds before the onset of the nut?
  • [53:08] Keith: I don't know. And we're gonna get that. I'm I'm gonna ask you the same in a moment. But my guess is that, like, you probably know what like your pattern looks like because of your your focus on orgasm. Intensity is for me. Yeah. I don't really know what I do, like, you know, like, a number of things have come up during this podcast. I'm like, Hello. I need to pay more attention to this. Uh, but yeah, I don't I don't know. Do you?
  • [53:18] Mike: I mean, I think that there, yes, but in the sense of, like, I think that either there, as I always say, I think they're different sensations you could go for, right. So, for example,
  • [53:21] Mike: for example, I think you could go for a sensation that s'more
  • [53:38] Mike: focused on the head of your Penis by sort of withdrawing it much more and just sort of, like, kind of, uh I guess inserting and removing the tip of your Penis. Kind of what? You're getting close. So you can sort of let go for that. Or you could go for something more like what this guy's going for, which is sort of deeper,
  • [54:01] Mike: deeper, kind of in and out. Um, sort of harder. And I mean, there's probably some may launch of the two that you could go for as well, depending on how you're feeling. But I mean, yeah, I mean, I think, like, I feel like there's an actual legitimate choice that you make there. You're like, How am I gonna get this nut? And it's an interesting choice because I feel like it's not a choice. It's like when people say they're thinking with their other head. It's really like that. It's like you'll come up with a choice.
  • [54:05] Mike: I don't really know how it's made. It's like it's not a real normal conscious choice. Should you
  • [54:08] Keith: ever regret the choice you've made? Uh,
  • [54:12] Mike: yeah. Yeah, I do. Sometimes you're like, Yeah, that wasn't as good as it could have been.
  • [54:13] Keith: I
  • [54:15] Keith: wish I could do that over. Uh,
  • [54:18] Mike: it's like, up, up, down, down B a start. What?
  • [54:27] Keith: Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, life's full of choices. Um, okay. I think we could we could move on here. Um,
  • [54:49] Keith: out boy, I haven't read this one yet, but all right, I found out my girlfriend is a come fetish. How can I produce more semen? Okay. So recently, I found out my girlfriend of two years was disappointed with something in our sex life. I'm short, and she was pleasantly surprised when she found out I have a large Penis. I thought all was fine, but she didn't like the little amount I come.
  • [55:04] Keith: She never touched my come before, so I didn't know she likes large amounts. Have come on her. I don't come a lot. And a extremely healthy lifestyle. I have three days to improve. What? She's gone.
  • [55:14] Keith: Um, he's cramming for his for his come. Uh huh. Okay, First off, is this a thing? A calm volume,
  • [55:21] Keith: and it sounds like it sounds like he's not coming inside of her, because if he was like, she wouldn't really be ableto discern the volume. So wait a
  • [55:26] Mike: way that you don't you stare. You being serious right now when you ask, is it a thing?
  • [55:42] Mike: Because, like, I actually can't find it difficult to believe. For the first response, I hate to admit that I don't even in front of me. I have a little bit memorized. Is somebody suggesting I think I think less less A thin is the word for it. Zinc supplements. There's like this standard. You can see it on your screen There. There's the standard. Like simply, we're
  • [55:43] Keith: gonna get into that in a minute. But I have
  • [55:49] Mike: no idea what that is. I don't I've never done it. I don't know what zinc it, I guess. But But I don't I don't I'm not like a chemistry
  • [55:58] Keith: codified. It's the first response is Here's what I use sink 50 milligrams a day. Do not. Isn't this about this? If it's 1200 milligrams a day
  • [56:08] Keith: l argon nine of what? That today this comes this combo log with big, well hydrated. Proper hydration cannot be overstated. Last minute, generously to hate my partner
  • [56:23] Keith: like it works up of volume and distance. It's a fruit and have a couple of pineapple smoothies. So you could taste real great to, um okay, just disclaimer. We're not doctors. I have no idea what any of these chemicals are, So yeah, you know? Yeah. Don't take advice from podcasts,
  • [56:30] Mike: right? I feel bad for having forgotten l argon argon argon in, but I did remember the other two. So I'm proud of that
  • [56:55] Mike: thing is a standard thing. Like guys want increase or not, it makes sense to me in the context of porn, although to be honest and porn, I've read that they're actually techniques to sort of fake it. Like they we'll change the camera angle just the right time and, like, sort of use a turkey baster to squirt stuff all over the place or whatever like they have. They have sort of tricks, or they might have, like a little tube, uh, kind of obscured by the guy's Penis to shoot out stuff.
  • [57:01] Keith: But what's going on there, I think, is the shaming of a woman.
  • [57:16] Keith: Maybe shame isn't the right word. The the acts of a woman caused by having like a large amount of semen all over her is something that a lot of men like to see important. But that's that's unlike the male male to female side.
  • [57:21] Keith: What I'm curious about is whether yeah, I mean, I guess, like the inverse of that must also be true.
  • [57:32] Mike: No, no, that's not where I was gonna. I don't exactly agree with that because I think that when I see I wouldn't say I'm particularly attracted to it, although all that kind of porn although there was that guy Peter North,
  • [57:41] Mike: who would just generate a prodigious amount of nut and like there was something about that that was interesting. But from my perspective, what I think that that
  • [57:54] Mike: does, there's a fetish element to it. But I think just for a non fetish guy is that guys generally know that, like when a lot of nut comes out, it's more satisfying. And I think that's for two reasons. One is that I think your body produces Maur anymore when it's more excited.
  • [58:07] Mike: I don't know exactly why it just maybe you know what your brain knows, whether it's a situation where it's important toe generate more. And the second thing is, if it's been a while, right, you're gonna generate more. And generally speaking, I think that if you
  • [58:25] Mike: you know, wait some period of time between orgasms like the intensity, the feeling goes up a bit so it gets amped up a little bit, and I think when you see in a porno guy, generating a lot of nut. I think you at least I sort of identify that with that kind of experience where you've got a really full nut that's happening. I don't know if you have the same experience.
  • [58:26] Keith: I
  • [58:45] Keith: don't This'd another thing that I don't really pay attention to. I'm trying to do what's wrong with this guy. I'm still marveling at the ah, the notion that, like this guy's girlfriend, it's like, Oh, man, I just wish you, like, came on me more Ah,
  • [58:51] Keith: like, yeah, so that's different, Okay? Generally, most women
  • [58:55] Keith: are not super excited about having come all over their bodies.
  • [59:11] Keith: I see women on the sex subreddit I know. I know they exist. I know they exist, but, like, look, maybe I've just been with, you know, like, ah Siri's of highly unusual women. But normally, once the semen has been extracted,
  • [59:16] Keith: you know they clean up in a relatively short order.
  • [59:22] Mike: Yeah, I mean, they don't wanna have like so much that it's like they could gargle with it and wash their hair with it and stuff. But it's no
  • [59:26] Keith: course. It's a trope in porn, but yeah,
  • [59:58] Mike: yeah, I'm with you on that. I don't really know the notion that she would demand. I mean, if you want you. If you want to wrestle this topic to the map, the notion that you would demand more of him just rings like almost completely false to me, like it's just like that's not really a thing. Makes you wonder all kinds of things about like Why, you know, it suggests there's some other reason she's making the demand. This guy being like, Hey, ah, I got three days to generate more nut. I mean, look, the first thing, the only thing that would really work in three days is gonna be just to know fat for three days, right? And see how much more we could generate these chemicals and stuff. I don't know, like maybe
  • [60:10] Keith: another one here pie GM extract. Some people say that works, although apparently makes you create more pre calm, which which might be bad. And where there's this the topic of much debate, apparently
  • [60:10] Keith: Oh, yeah,
  • [60:25] Mike: because guys see, this is the thing is I think, guys, it makes sense to me that guys get obsessed with this partly because I mean do you find that if there's more volume of nut like the orgasm feels better or do you find it just doesn't make a difference?
  • [60:26] Keith: Uh,
  • [60:30] Keith: no. There's a correlation there for sure. Yes, I have noticed
  • [60:41] Mike: before, when there was so much that was actually kind of not that great. And I thought, Well, maybe that's because the muscles down there now having to do a lot of work to get so much nut out, it's like there could be a level with
  • [60:44] Keith: structure crew to come in. And,
  • [60:44] Keith: you know,
  • [60:53] Mike: I mean project, you know, when it's just sort of like, Yeah, just not It's not. There's like there's so I have a suspicion There's an ideal amount, but the ideal amount. I think it's higher
  • [61:01] Mike: then, like kind of the average amount like it. So when you get a little more, it's good. But if you get like way more like, I don't think I think, then you start to get some diminished, not diminishing returns, but actually negative
  • [61:12] Keith: returns. Okay, so there's like a chart on def volume was on the X axis, and satisfaction was on the wide like it keeps going up for a while. But then it actually dips beyond a certain point
  • [61:22] Mike: right, although to be fair, there's also probably a peek if if you generated zero, because there would be a bunch of positive things related that, like not having to clean up at all or anything like that.
  • [61:23] Keith: But
  • [61:26] Keith: it depends what set aside. Yeah, yeah, you don't want, like, just
  • [61:29] Mike: a little puff?
  • [61:34] Mike: I don't know. I've always thought it was like they're a couple of things that I think about
  • [62:02] Mike: that I always thought would be kind of kind of cool about being a woman. One is that is the fact that, like when these various sexual things like nothing comes out, So it's like cleaner in that sense, although there are other problems, there are other areas where it's less clean, and another one is sort of the erection thing, right? If a woman's aroused, it's not obvious, not immediately obvious, which is kind of cool, right? Like that, there's some things about that that would be kind of cool, but generally you're probably right. The leg you're You tie that feeling together with your orgasm feeling, and if you removed
  • [62:07] Mike: the like of you took out your prostate. And by the way, when people get their prostate taken out, they stop nothing. You know that, right?
  • [62:09] Keith: I do know that. Yeah.
  • [62:11] Keith: Uh,
  • [62:17] Keith: yeah. We've never talked about like that one weird guy with a waste of time. We have time from one more topic. I think
  • [62:19] Mike: we don't want to know where the one weird guys just say it really
  • [62:31] Keith: was. It called that guy who, like, basically cut off his balls, and then he, like, cut off his Penis, and then he'd like, removed his prostate. And then he cut off his nipples and like you did, basically could feel no sexual pleasure at all. There's, like
  • [62:34] Mike: a woman actually in their pictures.
  • [62:40] Mike: I actually found another photo gallery of a guy doing that. It was on e e fucked dot com e f you
  • [62:45] Mike: Katie. I remember Dotcom. Pretty gross. Like a guy. Yeah. He shows himself cutting his Penis off.
  • [62:51] Keith: We're gonna We need to explore that at some point, but no time. Do you remember what that's called? There's a word for
  • [63:02] Mike: I don't Yeah, I don't know. It's gonna be a guy who's very unhappy with having a Penis. Maybe it maybe somebody's transsexual, although he's also making it so he can't have the surgery because he's removing, like the pleasure parts. But yes, move on.
  • [63:21] Keith: Yeah, something for people to come forward to claim a future future show. Uh, this one. This one's probably pretty pretty down the fairway. I think we could get through this in a couple minutes. All right? Sure. I play with my clit during sex. I have a very high sex drive. And I would say I enjoy sex nine times out of 10. Like, what percentage of the time would you say you enjoy sex?
  • [63:22] Mike: More than nine times out of
  • [63:31] Keith: 100 out of 99? Yeah. Uh, but I rarely cop during P i V. Unless he's performing oral sex on me. P ideas, Penis and vagina.
  • [63:36] Mike: How would he How would he be? Bishop performing oral sex while having P I v er
  • [63:40] Mike: He gets back to the the auto fill a show. That's amazing. He could
  • [63:45] Keith: calm during P. I V unless he's performing oral sex on me. Maybe. Well,
  • [63:45] Keith: can
  • [63:46] Mike: you imagine being able to do that? You're there
  • [63:52] Keith: could be two partners here, but I think she must mean unless he goes down on me before.
  • [64:02] Mike: I think she's just, like, misstated, and I think she's saying, like if it's some other part during the time during the encounter, she gets the world and she's just saying she can't come from just the Penis, which is normal.
  • [64:22] Keith: I want to come with the dick inside of me. I always have the urge to play with my clip during sex, but then I get so self conscious about him thinking it's weird or getting turned off by it or thinking he's inadequate. I don't have a steady sexual partner right now, so it's not really like we can sit down and talk about her sexual wants. This is more advice for hookups. Ladies, do you play with your clip during sex and then do you mind?
  • [64:32] Mike: Uh, yeah, I think that women do do that. And men never, ever. That's not totally drive. It's a generally don't mind. I think the thing that men might mind about is a vibrator,
  • [64:41] Keith: right? Okay, I don't mind, uh, and it's it's sort of it's not sort of it's it's attractive when a woman sort of
  • [64:46] Keith: takes initiative in making sure she's enjoying the encounter. Um,
  • [64:52] Keith: I just Yeah, like there. Yeah, that's that's more more interesting to me. Um,
  • [65:08] Keith: yet some point it probably gets to a point where, like, inadequacy can come in like an and yeah, I think it's the point. We're like the vibrator comes out like every time. And yes, it's required like that. That's not great. But that's not what she's talking about here. Yeah, there's one
  • [65:20] Mike: other thing that I think could be, and I agree with you, and I think this is pretty easy one. I think that she should just do it. There's one other situation that I think could be an issue, and it's not inadequacy issues. It's if the woman is basically
  • [65:31] Mike: doing that, and she's just completely self absorbed. Whether she's having at least purporting to have a whole bunch of repeated orgasms. Don't have to argue about whether that's real or not.
  • [65:42] Mike: But let's say she is. It doesn't matter for the sake of argument. Well, then it's almost like you're not there, right? It's like you're doing this thing, which, which, ironically, is, I think a lot of times when men do to women
  • [65:58] Mike: true, right? Yeah, so So that could also be a negative. She's like, Get it, taking it to the point where it's basically just like it is actually like she's Your Penis is just a dildo and it's like, Well, this is sort of annoying cause he's sort of thrashing around doing this stuff and like you're not relevant in the equation. That could be kind of
  • [65:59] Mike: that's unusual
  • [66:09] Keith: generally, like if the girls on top of you and she's like rubbing her clit. Or if you're in any position, if your doggy style, if you're a missionary, whatever like it's it's kind of attractive.
  • [66:10] Keith: If anything, I
  • [66:13] Mike: think that's right. The only down side would be if she had long fingernails.
  • [66:18] Keith: Yes, I have been I've had that happen and it's not fun.
  • [66:18] Keith: Did
  • [66:20] Mike: did you get a scab?
  • [66:28] Keith: I I knew you were gonna ask that as soon as I brought it up. I guess I did. Yeah, I've gotten cut, but like it hasn't been. It hasn't been
  • [66:41] Mike: so you need to be careful about that. If you're If you're going out with one of your lovely young ladies to try to have sex with her, she might interpret any sort of injury on your Penis to be caused by another woman.
  • [66:42] Mike: So
  • [66:43] Mike: take care with that.
  • [66:50] Keith: Yeah. I have to think about howto howto win the right time to bring up my Penis running injury.
  • [66:50] Keith: You
  • [66:54] Mike: really should avoid it, cause she's gonna think you have herpes. But anyway,
  • [66:57] Mike: thank you. Go into that anymore.
  • [67:02] Keith: I don't, By the way, I had another test recently, Mike, by the way, and I still don't
  • [67:04] Mike: Do you have anything else?
  • [67:06] Mike: Nothing else.
  • [67:10] Mike: Wow. It's really impressive. Thank you. Yeah, that's good. Good job.
  • [67:22] Mike: Uh, although not to be ah s t I Negative. If you did, almost everything is curable. And so then you would just deal with it. Uh, obviously, herpes and HIV, but judging from the water, But yeah,
  • [67:25] Mike: um, it's good that you've got a test. That's what we should
  • [67:31] Keith: say. Yeah, well, I I had a partner that wanted to, and I thought that was very responsible of her to ask. And so I did,
  • [67:42] Keith: uh okay. So fast. The rap on this seventh episode of your mileage may very soon, we'll have to figure out what we're going to do for our 10th episode party.
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