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Episode 70: MFF Threesome Goes Wrong For A Man, Embarrassing Moments, Sit On My Face!

Team YMMV | 6-9-2022 | 1:00:14

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What to do if as a man you are able to pull off an MFF threesome with your partner, but you realize midway through the experience that she's more into the other woman than she is you. Honestly, that's probably a pretty common situation, and one which men should consider before jumping in. As with the similar MMF threesome problems, the situation isn't easy to rectify.

Keith reveals that he properly enjoys requesting that women "sit on his face." He uses those exact words, because it turns them on. But then there are the mechanics to sort out and the ever-present question of which direction she's supposed to face. Now, Keith thinks it's obvious, but a significant amount of research indicates there is some dispute.

And, we get an update on Keith's effort to find out whether women on dating apps want ENM relationships with him. How much sex will this man have in coming weeks and months?

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/70/mff

https://ymmv.me/70/embarrassing

https://ymmv.me/70/sitting

https://ymmv.me/70/squirting

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  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships using candor and humor that is often controversial but usually in good faith on today's show we'll discuss an unusual variation on the typical post threesome dynamic a poorly timed fart faceitting some more on squirting and much more and Keith my co-host is mike. Hello Mike I'm well we'll get into this salacious content I minutely here. But since I haven't done this for a few weeks I feel obligated to today please rate and review and subscribe to the show.
  • [00:20] Mike: Hey Keith how's it going.
  • [01:09] Keith: If you'd like to ask us questions or provide some feedback. We can be reached at ymmvpod on Twitter or by email at ymmvpod@gmail.com. Ah, we read and respond to everything and we famously pay $10 for any feedback we received so go ahead and try to bankrupt us. Okay Mike I have an update. On the experiment I promised to run where I told my online dating message matches that I am in an e and m relationship. Um, are you ready? Um, okay so ah.
  • [01:54] Mike: Okay.
  • [02:28] Keith: To our new listeners I have a girlfriend. We've been seeing each other for about a year we are I guess we've decided that we are ethically non-monogamous, but neither of us have actually hooked up with anyone but I am still on a few. Online dating forums including hinge and I hadn't looked at it for a while but I had like 30 matches so hinge tells you when you have matches so I could see that I had None matches and I wanted to experiment with. Telling these matches that I am emm and seeing how they responded so.
  • [03:30] Mike: Yes, so you crafted a a message to send to each of them. Do you want to read I see you you said the same text to each person right? Okay, yeah, you want to have a good clean.
  • [03:58] Keith: Yeah I did I didn't want to mess up the experiment with Div right? but well. Okay, so they all started the same. It says hi x so hi Jane exclamation point and then I said full disclosure. Girlfriend and I are ethically non-monogamous I endeavor to earn the chance to amuse you over dinner or a drink and then I would so that was the that was the first message and was the same for everyone and then I would send a none second message with um, some sort of question relevant to their. Profile. Um, and so I messaged None women like this and let me count the other 3 excluded because ah maybe they said something in their profile like I'm looking. For a long-term relationship. They said something that made it so that I knew that they wouldn't be interested and the other 27 I mean most women are looking for a long term relationship of course, but some people made it so obvious in their profile that I wanted to get this.
  • [05:39] Mike: That makes sense.
  • [06:19] Keith: Experiment to chance and like if you choose women that like say that they're not looking for em m and then you tell them your e m like it's obviously not going to work so I didn't include people like that in this test and okay so I messaged 27 and I 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 nine TenEleven
  • [06:28] Mike: Not bad. These are replies you're counting the replies. Oh.
  • [06:53] Keith: Now I have 19 I have 19 people left so that means that 8 just blocked me without responding right? and.
  • [06:49] Mike: Oh and just blocked you oof? Okay, that's not although that's not surprising I mean it's It's sad, but it's not surprising you you know? did you do any from I think we discussed this a little bit but maybe we didn't concreteize it enough. You didn't do any sort of like it would have been cool.
  • [07:28] Keith: Right.
  • [07:28] Mike: Have done and maybe I think you had 150 matches so you had some matches on some other app. It would be cool to do some kind of a rank. It'd be some cool to do some kind of a ranked ordering of attractiveness or something for them. So that way we could get an idea of whether the people that block you because now that they're blocked like you're gone right? You can't even see them anymore I assume.
  • [07:53] Keith: Yeah, that was on tinder. Yeah. Yeah.
  • [08:19] Keith: Yes.
  • [08:04] Mike: So be cool to know because my thesis of course of my hypothesis of course would be that the most attractive, whatever 9 or 10 women just immediately blocked you and it's going to be the least attractive that remain. Although you might be able to eyeball it anyway.
  • [08:46] Keith: Yeah I mean problem here is I'm sort of burying the lead but only 1 person responded with any kind of interest so 8 fully blocked ah 1 2 3 4 5 responded one of them is is.
  • [08:38] Mike: Okay, ah.
  • [09:25] Keith: Potentially interested The other four said something like hi I'm looking for a relationship so it sounds like this probably wouldn't work since you already have your main squeeze this person said hey that's awesome. Not my thing but I wish you the best this person said Thanks for the heads up.
  • [09:29] Mike: Right.
  • [10:01] Keith: Not really my thing but wish you the best and this person says I appreciate the context not in a place where that's compatible with what I want blah Blah Blah blah.
  • [09:54] Mike: So these people that respond mean I don't know is it possible for you to quickly like sweep sweep with your eyes and say whether these people who responded and said no are people that you would I mean on the the binary scale of None being. Yes, you would be interested in having sex with them zero. You would not are they typically ones or none or is it just impossible to say okay, okay, so they're okay so you're not so these are okay, all right? and the reason I was asking that is right? Yeah, yeah, it's sort of I'm trying to.
  • [11:04] Keith: Reluctant ones I guess.
  • [11:14] Keith: Some some are right on the edge. You know.
  • [11:10] Mike: The thing that I'm trying to get at there is yeah, there's this.. There's a certain amount of like wanting you know I don't want to know how the world really is. It's like you know I Want to believe that there's There's a heaven and a God I Want to believe that things are great. So in some ways. It's like when you. So so people say I want you to be honest with me but the thing is when you are honest then they don't want you to be honest, you know it's like it's like well actually I would rather you just you know, not do that? Um I wonder about that but okay and the reason why the attractive this thing matters in that regard is it's like well are these people who ah are.
  • [12:17] Keith: Yeah.
  • [12:19] Mike: Are likely to quickly find other partners or these people for whom you might be kind of a score that's that's kind of yeah why that matters. Okay.
  • [12:47] Keith: Yeah, okay, let me finish the results here and then let's let's get into the specifics here all right? So None just blocked me four said. No one said yes, this is what she said? Ah, um. She asked me when she when she liked me on hande when you like someone you can actually ask a question and I have a picture of myself in front of Petra in Jordan and she liked me and she said where is this so I said hia let let's just say her name Sarah full disclosure my girlfriend and I are ethically non-monogamous I endavor to earn the chance chance to amuse you.
  • [13:25] Mike: Move.
  • [14:03] Keith: Over dinner or drink that pick is in Petra in Jordan I'm on a quest to get to None countries before I turn 50 at 77 right now and then she said in her profile that she spends a lot of time in the pottery studio. So I said what's something you've made from clay that you're proud of right? So that's like a typical example of how like I'm not. Um, not just saying I'm ethically non-monogamous I'm actually I made a good faith I've heard on all 27 of these people to try to tease a positive response back.
  • [14:31] Mike: Yeah, you didn't you didn't just immediately said like you didn't immediately just say like can I be your Patrick Swayzy in that scene from ghost or whatever we can rub the pottery suggestively together. Ah.
  • [15:06] Keith: Right? Yeah that I ah you know look There's a lot. There is a lot on the internet about what the right strategy in your opener is but anyway that was mine and she said I would love to be amused over dinner or a drink.
  • [15:10] Mike: Yeah, sure poca.
  • [15:43] Keith: Photo is amazing and I love your travel adventures so that feels like pretty positive that that feels like a ah good thing. This is our our viewers can't see this but this is one picture of her This is.
  • [15:26] Mike: Okay. So.
  • [15:58] Mike: It's really hard to see that.
  • [16:21] Keith: Yeah I know let me see if I can yeah I don't know if I can actually get it to yeah I can't yes that's right, That's right I mean she's this is this is.
  • [16:09] Mike: It seems okay like definitely Highway proportionate reasonable looking person I think Okay, interesting.
  • [16:56] Keith: Privilege to say but I probably would not normally consider her for a date but she's she's on but that it's debatable like she's sort of on the edge. Um.
  • [16:59] Mike: Well I don't understand so are you if you gonna go on a date with her. Are you saying this on the podcast because you intend not to go on a date with her or because you intend to go on a date with her and not tell her about the podcast because it has to be 1 of those.
  • [17:46] Keith: Yeah, that's a good point that's true because I read the I read the exact chat you're right? Ah yeah I mean I'm leaving for Europe for three months and and you know shortly here. So it's it's it's academic.
  • [17:32] Mike: She's like am I the one that you said was too ugly, no okay, Okay, okay so you're probably just not going to do it. Okay.
  • [18:26] Keith: Yeah, and then by the time we got back. She'd have to listen back like 15 episodes.
  • [18:08] Mike: Fair.
  • [18:14] Mike: And you probably were also put off by her not knowing at a minimum from the Indiana Jones movies what that location was yeah.
  • [18:42] Keith: Yes, yes, it is. It is a very obvious of the picture of the treasury at Petra and her saying where is that would be like I don't know standing in front of the statue of liberty and saying somebody saying where is that.
  • [18:37] Mike: 3
  • [18:51] Mike: A little bit she she? yeah she should have said like did you find you know Indiana Jones's dad in there something. Whatever the right thing would be yeah there we go? Yeah there you go. That's the right one? Yes, that would be like um oh you know that's like a wink you know you know? Okay, okay, so basically.
  • [19:19] Keith: Yeah, yeah, did yeah, did you drink from the proper chalice. Yeah anyway. I have a somewhat funny petra story by the way so they really lean into the indiana jones stuff there and in the parking lot where there's all these touts selling random stuff. There's people selling Indiana Jones Hats and this None guy was selling Indiana Jones whips
  • [19:27] Mike: Yeah. Her.
  • [20:19] Keith: Um, Indiana Jones of course famously carries a whip and so these 4 bros from I don't know Michigan or something I'm guessing bought it and they were they had rented camels and so one of them was some hit camel with his whip. And he lashed it. You know so goes like which but he didn't know what he was doing so he broke open the skin. No he broke open the skin on his forearm and you know he's bleed. Theres bleeding all over the place. It was pretty amusing moment anyway, all right.
  • [20:43] Mike: He hit the camel. Yeah oh he hit himself. Wow.
  • [21:06] Mike: That's great.
  • [21:28] Keith: So that's Jordan all right? So anyway I got basically 1 person so None people liked me indicating some sort of romantic or sexual interest and None of them. Oh and I sent all of these like four days ago so some of the non-responses are probably the women haven't checked. But. Ah, yeah I got let's see none 3 4 plus the 8 blocks I got None explicit nos one yes and None undetermined but probably none of them are just like oh whatever. Yeah, so the the real rates probably like 1 for 20 or something.
  • [22:06] Mike: Go so far ghosts right. Down.
  • [22:44] Keith: And and the one I'm not even really that interested in so like my general theory which is that if you tell ah women that you're E and M it's you know it's curtains on on meeting them I think is probably that get the case.
  • [22:53] Mike: Yeah, and importantly I mean another important aspect here is that you're not this was specifically these were people who liked you. But what I want to say is something like this was not these were people that you might not have considered otherwise so in other words, some of the you know you you were just taking a.
  • [23:45] Keith: Right? right.
  • [23:31] Mike: Ah, a pool of people who who liked you. But even if you were if you were single and you were just looking for a partner. You actually would have excluded some of these just because you would have said well this person doesn't make the cut for whatever reason and even there so you were you know, see the average sort of quality of these people was below your typical and even then. It didn't yeah it didn't matter.
  • [24:31] Keith: Yeah I mean I actually I I took screenshots of everyone's profile because I anticipated that some might block and I thought if you know like 8 of them said hey yeah, sure like you know, let's go get a drink.
  • [24:32] Mike: So.
  • [25:07] Keith: Then we could we could sort of do some sort of comparison about relative attractiveness but out of the 27 I think 3 there were only three that I would have pursued if not for this experiment the other the other twenty four I would have just ignored their like or thumbs thumbs down them or.
  • [25:07] Mike: Got it.
  • [25:21] Mike: Interesting. Yeah, so that's where you're at I mean this this makes sense to me like it actually makes me wonder because of course there's a set of people who self selected out of liking you right for? whatever reason, maybe the algorithm on the app did that or maybe they just said oh this guy's out of my league.
  • [25:43] Keith: Whatever.
  • [26:04] Keith: Um.
  • [25:57] Mike: And so it makes me wonder I mean there obviously there must be some point you would get to where a people person would accept that but I actually think I think it's possible. There might not be might be a bottomless. Well be yeah or it might be that ah that you'd have to go pretty far down in terms of attractiveness or sort of. Whatever life qualities of the person before you would get to somebody who would unabashedly say yes to this? Um I think there you know I think it it ah relates to a topic that we we talked about a little bit at None point which is um this notion that women. Ah.
  • [27:03] Keith: Yeah.
  • [27:11] Mike: There There's a certain amount of shame for women of having like each additional partner or their body as their body count goes up. There's a certain amount of shame associated with that and so basically it's just like they don't want to like maybe shames the wrong word, but there's something negative that goes along with it and so and so women just don't want to like allocate one of their slots to you If you're e M right? like it takes a special kind of person.
  • [28:02] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [27:50] Mike: To be willing to do that.
  • [28:11] Keith: Yeah, there was a poll by Ella Girl on Twitter I think it was yesterday or maybe maybe is longer than that ago I can remember I saw it yesterday and she asked she said you've gone on a None date with someone who you. You find physically attractive and everything went well they invite you back to their apartment presumably to have sex. Do you go? Do you go and the possible answers were I am a man. Yes I'm a man. No I'm a woman. Yes I'm a woman no and something like i. 82% of the men said yes and some small fraction of the women said yes and yeah I mean what's going on. There is women for whatever reason. Even. and and I'm sure this varies by age I'm guessing women in their thirty s would say yes more than women in their twenty s for example, but yeah, there's um, a much more preciousness associated with ah each sexual partner than for men for better or worse.
  • [29:44] Mike: Right? yes.
  • [30:08] Mike: Right? And of course that that leads to the question of what would it's a broader question but what would happen you know how would women behave if that were not the case if there were no negativeness or shame or something associated and it wouldn't just be from the broader society would be for them themselves for each additional partner. They take on and would they. Ah, behave differently or the same and it's sort of ah, an impossible question to answer because a lot of this is subconscious and within the woman herself like she's grading herself. It's not just society doing it. So. But yeah I find it I think that I suspect that to be successful in E and M you would need to be part of some kind of community where it's happening.
  • [31:18] Keith: Right? yeah.
  • [31:24] Mike: Whether it's like a fetish community or ah, just like ah a group of Swinger Slash non-monoggaous people and then I think it would work. You could kind of do the full tour of that community and have many of the women as partners but you would need to find that group.
  • [32:12] Keith: Yeah, yeah I mean that's one way to sort of remove the shame bar. Another way is you can pay and so obviously you could use explicit prostitutes or you could use something like seeking arrangement. Or one of the other sugaring websites to find people. Um the other thing with those websites I've had some success using seeking dot com in the past I've I've never paid anyone for a date but ah what I do there is I Well I'm better looking than the average person.
  • [32:33] Mike: Right? right.
  • [33:29] Keith: Um, those sites and I can chat with people to I don't know show that I'm normal in a way that I think most of the men on those sites aren't and if a woman is on that site. They've already sort of self selected for valuing their sexuality a little bit. Less or at least yeah I think that's right actually I don't know if they're valuing it less. They're more aware of its value. They're less ashamed of its value or something I'm I'm not sure what the right verbiage is there.
  • [34:06] Mike: I think I mean but I think the main thing there is. There's a sweet spot on I don't know about escorts. But I think there's a sweet spot for a large percentage of women where they would be willing to take a certain amount less money. And and and money is sort of I mean there are different ways to think about Money. It could be that you're explicitly getting money. It could be that you're going on vacation. It could be that you're you feel like the person's there for you if you lose your job I mean there can be a lot of ways that there's value exchange but then just literally here's your money. But I think that you know you can imagine a certain amount of money whether it's like an an invisible insurance policy or whatever it is. But I think that in general. Ah this is well maybe it's obvious that women would take less money or perceived money or value for a higher value man whether more attractive younger more compelling in some way. Versus like the maximum amount of money for I think we had on ah either last episode or the episode before like the the rich guy who got like superseded by a ah billionaire or something on seeking arrangement and like yes there are women that will do that where they're just purely going to go after the maximum amount of money but it makes sense to me that most women would not do that that they would look for something that like.
  • [36:39] Keith: Yeah.
  • [36:20] Mike: Feels good for them. That's relatively easier to do but gets them kind of what they feel like they're worth or something like that and I actually don't I Actually don't think that's different that different from vanilla dating I think that's something society has to reckon with is that that's not that's actually that's not that different from vanilla dating. Yeah.
  • [37:12] Keith: Yeah I agree it's just that most of the world isn't enlightened and so you have to play this game.
  • [37:09] Mike: Well, that's like there's a ah I I love mentioning my your fault ah exposure to Tiktok. But there's a woman on Tiktok who makes videos and she basically has made this choice to be a housewife or a stay at home. But she's not she doesn't have any kids she just stay at home.
  • [37:57] Keith: Okay, what do you mean by choice. She had some sort of lucrative career and then decided to turn it down.
  • [37:47] Mike: Wife and. She that's a good question I haven't watched like I'm not the most assiduous user of Tiktok. So I didn't like go through every one of her videos. No I watched a few though and they come up if you if you sort of follow pay attention to the whole video. Maybe they come up more often. So I've seen maybe None of her videos.
  • [38:26] Keith: You You haven't seen her entire canon. Okay.
  • [38:45] Keith: Right? right? right.
  • [38:31] Mike: Maybe listeners will actually know who I'm talking about she has like dark hair. Whatever but she ah she's pretty. Ah, she's fairly attractive and she ah but her she went to college and maybe has some kind of professional degree. But basically she's It's always that like there are these feminist comments that she's responding to.
  • [38:59] Keith: Correct. Oh oh.
  • [39:26] Keith: M.
  • [39:10] Mike: People saying? oh you're taking us back to the 1950 s and things like that and her basic response is like well I actually disagree I think that like people are too doctrinaire about feminism and they miss out on pretty nice life opportunities where a woman can get a guy to support her in various ways and not in a negative way. But it's not like oh I'm tricking you like everybody knows what's going on and everybody's just pretty happy about it and that's sort of her point is that that's not necessarily a dysfunctional situation. It can be great. Yeah, and I think I just don't I think the line between that and sugaring is really thin slash non-existent. So.
  • [40:26] Keith: Yeah I mean I. Yeah I mean I agree I think the best way to state my position on Feminism is yeah, people should be allowed to do whatever they want without judgment and they should try not to judge themselves and once that's the case. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't do things that are viewed as anti-feminist. It's that you should have the choice to do it whether you you know to do it or not do it right? right? Yeah, you don't need to feel shame because you you know want to stay at home and hang out with your kids.
  • [41:05] Mike: Right? Even if that fits into a traditional or stereotypical gender role like that's fine. Yeah agree.
  • [41:48] Keith: All right, let's move on this does give me an idea we've we've been floating around the idea of doing more solo episodes I could do an episode where I give my opinion on how to best use the 4 or five dating apps that I have a lot of success with that could be.
  • [42:00] Mike: It's a good idea.
  • [42:23] Keith: Mildly interesting content because the strategy on hinge is very different from you know, seeking is very different from tender is very different from okcupid and so yeah, it could be interesting. It is um, there are fewer people on it but there are still some and you can still meet people on it. So to.
  • [42:18] Mike: Is ok. Cupid is still a thing.
  • [42:34] Mike: Interesting.
  • [43:01] Keith: Wait wait for my episode on that to find out. Okay, let's get into some Reddit topics here. These are not the I don't know highest brow topics this week but let's get into it. This person says my girlfriend and I had a threesome with another woman and I've never felt more emasculated. She 24 female is bisexual and the girl twenty five female. We had sex with was also bisexual. It was my 23 year old male girlfriend's idea I was down for it for obvious reasons. Yeah I mean I think most men would be up for an m f f threesome um
  • [43:50] Mike: Sure.
  • [44:17] Keith: Thought it'd be hot to see my girlfriend be with another woman but now I feel terrible. This girl was so much better at everything than me I've never been able to make my girlfriend react in the way that this woman made my girlfriend act I know a woman knows what a woman likes more than a guy does. But this woman who we only met a few times prior and who has never slepted with my girlfriend before made her come like a fucking freight train. Something I've never been able to do I don't know how freight trains come, but he's only 23 So his word choice isn't perfect I'm now at the point where I feel super insecure and unassured to myself I hate that we did this and I don't know how to talk to her about it as I don't want to let on how insecure I feel what should I do so I wanted to.
  • [44:45] Mike: Right.
  • [45:34] Keith: Read this one because it's a different take on the classic disaster where the second man makes things interesting or difficult in the ah you know for the for the couple.
  • [45:37] Mike: Yeahp yeah, but you notice that in both 3 sub cases this a note to men in both situations so in the mmf. Okay, either m fm or m f mmf of course mmf being where the 2 men interact and mfm being where they're least not supposed to interact. Although it's challenging probably not to interact at all.
  • [46:27] Keith: Ah, yeah.
  • [46:11] Mike: Ah, in either of those cases. There's a risk for the the man in the couple right mmf because your your female partner has seen you now have do some interaction with a man and so that you know she's going to look at you differently after that and that is what tends to happen mfm.
  • [46:50] Keith: Who who.
  • [46:42] Mike: Ah,, there's some similar risk like and also there's a risk to the man that he sees her with the other man and whatever, whatever happens there and then this one is also a risk for the man right? I mean it appears that there's not really a risk for the woman in these situations. There's a risk for the man like here or now it's that the woman his his partner. Really really enjoyed being with this other woman and he saw that and now feels really kind of uncomfortable because that happened. Um, yeah I don't Know. Do. You do you have a take on why that happened I have a take but maybe you should go None.
  • [47:59] Keith: Ah I mean he says I think the the big reveal here is at the end when he says um yeah, he seems like afraid to talk to her about it. He feels insecure and unassured I think this. This gentleman is uncomfortable talking about sex and so there he's probably not communicating very well with his girlfriend and you know if he hasn't had that many partners then he may not know what she's doing and if his girlfriend hasn't. What he's doing and if his girlfriend hasn't communicated to him how he can be better. It totally makes sense that somebody else. It's not necessarily just because it's a woman ah that somebody else can be significantly better in bed than him and so his general shyness around sex I think is. The bigger issue here than whether this woman is some sort of panacea for his girlfriend.
  • [49:28] Mike: Well, but don't you think that like so so the thing I think okay if I engaged in an mf. Okay, actually so it's not necessarily that the guy Mf probably could go either way. But I'm pretty confident and I know. For example I know a couple that's talked about having an mff and one of the rules. I mean astutely. So by the female pet partner the couple if they were going to do an Nfl which they probably won't because it's too complicated to practically set up is ah that you know the rules about who kisses whom who penetrates whom like she wants to set up all these rules but None of the rules and I understand this rule completely is.
  • [50:41] Keith: Yeah.
  • [50:58] Keith: Yep.
  • [50:45] Mike: Where and how the male orgasm takes place and in so in some ways this violated that role and here's what I want to say about that like if I had an mffl with my partner like a long-term relationship partner and a new attractive woman and I had the orgasm while say doing Pi V with the new attractive woman. It would be a really strong orgasm.
  • [51:35] Keith: Yeah, for sure for sure. Actually you said that you said earlier that you don't think there's any risk for the woman. But yeah, this is this is yeah yeah, this is the risk for the woman is that like.
  • [51:24] Mike: Like I'm I'm pretty sure of that. Yeah.
  • [51:37] Mike: No no I too I took that back just now. Yeah right.
  • [52:10] Keith: Your male partner I like of I mean even she doesn't need to be objectively much more attractive subjectively. She's going to be super attractive just because she's new and different and so right like like even if you're dating.
  • [52:03] Mike: Yeah, right right? Yeah, you're basically like this new person is letting me do do this tour and that would be extremely arousing and importantly, it's just novelty.
  • [52:49] Keith: Even if you're dating I don't know Emily Redihouse gears and you know somebody who everybody agrees is 10 You probably don't even know who that is she's she's hot. Um, but even if you're dating the world's hottest woman if you have filet mignon every night and then suddenly you know Mac and cheese becomes available. It's it's just.
  • [52:38] Mike: Now.
  • [53:25] Keith: You're going to want to try the Mac and cheese because you can always have the flame mignon and so yeah, like.
  • [53:09] Mike: Yeah, and keep in mind this is this new woman's going to be a woman. You've never seen poop right? There's going to be all these like positive feedback loops that maybe maybe protect you from her humanity right? So she's going to be some kind of ideal but I just think it's a novelty thing and I think the same in in in this case, the.
  • [53:38] Keith: Right? right.
  • [53:43] Mike: Man's female partner has the additional novelty of it being a woman and I think that novelty that combined novelty is sufficient to make it really really compelling for her and and to explain it basically to explain what's going on.
  • [54:18] Keith: Um, yeah, but okay, but that's not what happened here like what happened here is this other girl outperformed him on his girlfriend and now he is all.
  • [54:26] Mike: I Don't think it has to be an I don't think it has to be an outperformance though I think it could just be explained by novelty right? I mean she's super excited that she's getting I Assume it's oral from a woman. It's got to be oral right? and ah and it's a new partner. So basically she gets like the double novelty.
  • [55:22] Keith: Okay, okay, okay, but there's like a game theory thing here in any threesome. The None is always going to be much better for either 1 or both of the other partners depending on.
  • [55:04] Mike: And so she has a really strong orgasm.
  • [55:33] Mike: Right.
  • [55:59] Keith: Whether they're bisexual and then you can collectively bargain various things like who's going to come where and what you're allowed to do but all you're doing then is sort of conceding the the initial problem which is like yeah None or both of us are. Both going to be way more attracted to this other person like I don't know I think there are some swingers or people who engage in lots of threesomes who can not have this jealousy aspect matter that much. But I think for most humans. This jealousy aspect is going to dominate the experience for None None or 3 of the people and in the in the post threesome time.
  • [57:00] Mike: Right? I agree that with an MMMMFM situation I find it as a man I find it a little confusing in the sense that it's hard for me to get into the mentality of a woman being that excited about a novel man just because like I've read so many accounts where women's.
  • [57:48] Keith: Yeah.
  • [57:39] Mike: Like for example, the frequency of female orgasm on a None sexual encounter with a new male partner is pretty low and so I think well in a Threeome and situation with a guy like yeah, it's it's hard. A little hard for me to see who wins there because if it's Mfm like is the woman really going to be that into it I don't know but like but certainly like.
  • [58:04] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [58:17] Mike: Let's say that you ah your your role and let's say you're not a cuck you know and in a cucking your role is to sort of sit there and beat off while some other guy just rails your girlfriend and gives her a huge orgasm like that I don't know if Jealous is right? but I think it would just be like you'd feel pretty replaceable.
  • [58:45] Keith: And.
  • [58:50] Mike: Like it would be like you'd be like yeah I mean the fact that you don't see other people doing that to your partner is useful. It's a useful kind of mental shield and having to see someone else. Do it would just bright if you had to see like. For example, if you were Pete Davidson or Kanye West and you had to watch that rate.
  • [59:35] Keith: Your favorite analogies. Yeah yeah, yeah.
  • [59:22] Mike: That Ray J video with Kim Kardashian which is one of the top videos still on http://pornhub.com it would be a little weird if you I mean if you could watch a porn of your female or male partner with another person that would be a little strange right? like I think there's a trick our minds do to imagine that.
  • [01:00:05] Keith: Yes, it would I have only once dated someone that had done porn in their past and I intentionally never sought it out I never saw it.
  • [59:58] Mike: Other people aren't having sex with them. Yeah. Still, you still have not seen it.
  • [01:00:42] Keith: Still yeah, we only went on 3 dates and then I actually forgot what her porn star name was like now I would actually be interested in seeing it. Um, but at the time I don't know if I had enough of a sample to evaluate that but not.
  • [01:00:37] Mike: Okay, but she really really good at sex like was there some tricks or something that she had Okay, okay, okay.
  • [01:01:21] Keith: Particularly so in my small sample size. She was unremarkable which isn't to say was bad. It's just unremarkable.
  • [01:01:12] Mike: Right? She didn't like have some crazy sword swallowing deep throat or like just her anus was like some sort of black hole for penises or something For example, yeah, it's a rhetorical question all right.
  • [01:01:50] Keith: Right. All right, Let's move on. Um this person says that okay this is probably the lowest brow of our our content today. Yeah I look I Normally don't read these sort of gross out stories.
  • [01:01:57] Mike: This is the farting one. Yeah.
  • [01:02:13] Mike: Right.
  • [01:02:37] Keith: But this one got so many upvotes this week and I don't find this particularly kept compelling but a bunch of people did so I just want to experiment with this kind of content on our show. So this person says had the most embarrassing moment of my sexual life and it ruined my relationship help. This is pretty bad.
  • [01:02:28] Mike: Okay, all right.
  • [01:03:09] Keith: Ah, guy I've been seeing for a little bit as friends with benefits took me out to eat at my favorite Thai restaurant. We had great So when she said that I thought this was going one way but it doesn't really go that way. We had great food and conversation right? Exactly we had great food and conversation came back to my place and was cuddled up on the couch and started making out. It was getting pretty hot so we moved to the bedroom.
  • [01:03:05] Mike: Write the tie The Tie's not relevant. Okay.
  • [01:03:49] Keith: He lit up a joint and wanted me to smoke it while he ate me out from the back this is where it gets bad I was hitting the joint and he was eating my pussy and ass. Um, this thread isn't about this but you know how you're not supposed to go from the ass to the to the pussy with with penis.
  • [01:03:36] Mike: Ha.
  • [01:04:00] Mike: Yes, yeah.
  • [01:04:28] Keith: Penetration. What about if you're using your tongue can the same issue occur.
  • [01:04:09] Mike: That and I also noticed I just noticed I mean I I can't help but notice that there was no I mean it sounds like the store. The timeline here is they go to the restaurant they come home. They get on a couch they make out they go into the bedroom. He gives her a joint and pulls her.
  • [01:04:50] Keith: Ah, yeah.
  • [01:04:44] Mike: Pants or skirt down and starts doing this while she's on her knees and the problem I have with that is that there's no point between when they left for the restaurant and this point when she like wiped her ass or any sort of hygiene situation. So I'm getting pretty worried generally about this.
  • [01:05:04] Keith: Yeah.
  • [01:05:21] Keith: Um, right right? Well the joint the joint does come back up as ah as a point of relevance all right. It felt so good.
  • [01:05:18] Mike: Which maybe was why he gave her the joint he's like look maybe this will make you not realize what's happening. Okay, okay.
  • [01:05:59] Keith: And as I was taking a hit I lost it and started to cough and I accidentally farted right into his mouth as he was going all into my ass. He screamed and vomited I cried everything stopped immediately. He got dressed and left and hasn't spoken spoken to me since I don't know how many times I apologize.
  • [01:05:58] Mike: Ah, this isn't real.
  • [01:06:38] Keith: But he still will not return my calls or text messages is there anything I can do or say to get him to come back or should I just let it go I can't stop thinking about it and feel so bad. Ah the number yeah the number 1 comment is shit happens. Ah.
  • [01:06:32] Mike: I like it when he screams. Right.
  • [01:07:09] Keith: And then somebody said I mean he's probably thankful. It didn't happen and the response to that is on a microscopic level. It did anyway. Ah a couple more details she says we were friends with benefits for about three months he is younger than me late twenty s.
  • [01:06:59] Mike: Sure sure.
  • [01:07:15] Mike: Right.
  • [01:07:39] Keith: Ah, that day he was being spontaneous and a friend told him about his girl came real hard smoking a joint and getting eaten out at the same time. So That's why they were doing this whole elaborate joint setup I Think that's all the relevant information I don't really have that much to say about this other than that. Ah. I have been in situations where my partner has farted during sex I've not been in this particular one where while eating someone's asshole. They let one rip I can imagine that being pretty um I mean for me honestly like let me just say it I think I would like.
  • [01:08:13] Mike: Um.
  • [01:08:52] Keith: Maybe nopeout of ever seeing that person again myself like that would be so repulsive and but I'm not someone who is eager to eat people's ass in the None place. So like I don't you know once that bar came down.
  • [01:08:38] Mike: That's what he has what he did.
  • [01:09:27] Keith: Maybe I would be fine with the occasional methane escaping from the colon while I was there.
  • [01:09:15] Mike: What she said? the claim here is that he threw up and this is why it's like a little I'm a little okay fine. Let's just take it. Let's take it at face value and assume that this happened exactly as described I mean yeah, he had a he had a traumatic experience. He suffered a trauma here.
  • [01:09:46] Keith: Ah, right, right? right? right.
  • [01:09:49] Mike: He screamed and then he threw up and ran out of the apartment I mean so this is like this is I thought so I'm imagining like he's actually exiting the apartment while she's.
  • [01:10:14] Keith: Yeah, wait did he run out as I would have said might said he ran out I don't remember that ah he screamed and vomited I cried everything stopped immediately. He got dressed and left. Yeah, so yeah, he effectively ran out. Yeah.
  • [01:10:26] Mike: That's interesting. He got naked in order to do this activity to her. He didn't have to.
  • [01:10:51] Keith: Well this is probably he didn't but he was probably hoping this would develop into a P I V situation or P I a.
  • [01:10:50] Mike: It's kind of funny because I mean he didn't need all this to happen. He could have probably just stuck it in like this wasn't she wasn't too discerning about exactly what activity was going to happen but okay so let me ask you this when you have had an expert now I hear you.
  • [01:11:33] Keith: I mean some people are more giving lovers than others Mike.
  • [01:11:25] Mike: He obviously had some sort of scene in his head he wanted to set up if this is indeed true when you've had this type. You said you've had something analogous or along the same lines as this go on like have you had it to the point where you had to stop sex because there was just so it was so foul. Okay.
  • [01:11:48] Keith: Yeah I think so yeah.
  • [01:12:14] Keith: No I have not I I mean I've thought about this in the past like I've had a number of sexual partners and the number of farts that have happened is extremely low and so low that it. Must be that almost all women spend an awful lot of resources making sure it doesn't happen and I don't know. Are you thinking? Maybe I'm not noticing it.
  • [01:12:42] Mike: You don't think it's possible that just during piv set. Oh wait I'm not sure exactly which checked. No I was thinking that during PiVSex what could be. You're not noticing. It could also be that like having a penis inserted in your vagina actually makes it less likely for gas to escape like.
  • [01:13:31] Keith: Could be could be that hadn't occurred to me but could be.
  • [01:13:17] Mike: I Mean it's actually an interesting question I've never this is the following has never occurred to me and I don't I may have God I may have broken rule thirty four here because I don't think there's porn of this ah is there a porn or is there any evidence of whether or not a woman.
  • [01:13:54] Keith: Oh gone.
  • [01:14:11] Keith: Ah, oh no, Ah okay I don't know I don't know but I I assiduously avoid sat porn and so I wouldn't I don't.
  • [01:13:52] Mike: Could have a penis inserted at her and then poop at the same time. Is that possible like could she slide a poop by the penis hang on Dig She give me yeah, not okay, okay, right right.
  • [01:14:48] Keith: I'm not sure I would see this even if it did exist.
  • [01:14:36] Mike: I mean I Yeah I don't want to see it but I would like a I would see I would watch it once for science and I would like to know if it exists and it would be I just I Just wonder whether it's possible physically because yeah I mean like there just may not be enough space I'm guessing it would be uncomfortable for her.
  • [01:15:09] Keith: I agree with both those 2 things. Yeah I understand.
  • [01:15:29] Keith: Right? And this would extend to difficulty farting.
  • [01:15:14] Mike: Um, yeah, yeah, all that being said, like if you're giving her oral. Yeah I mean it seems possible that she would fart I mean but on the other hand like as a guy I haven't really had this issue during receiving oral either which just suggests that like and it's honestly like probably emissions from your. Anal area relate to some kind of muscular process that your body probably shuts down while you're having sex. It's sort of like how you don't pee. Well you have an erection or whatever you have some kind of valve or something and they're just there's some sort of musculature that doesn't operate that way and for obvious reasons. Yeah yeah.
  • [01:16:24] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who knows I mean we should. We should move on because this is one of those instances where all of the women aren't screaming at their radios or cell phones saying because they know the answer to this right? So next time we have a woman on the show. We'll hambush them with this question.
  • [01:16:50] Mike: Right.
  • [01:17:14] Keith: Um, so anyway, all right? So she farted? Um, yeah I There are certain things that a woman can do that make me feel like sort of noping out of the situation I mean we've talked famously about the girl I was dating who had a bit of toilet paper on her vagina and that was that was it for me. But I think my.
  • [01:17:23] Mike: Here.
  • [01:17:54] Keith: My um disgust threshold is much lower than the average person's I don't know now I was trying to think if I could think of 1
  • [01:17:41] Mike: Well do you have another example besides that I mean do you have other things like that I mean hygiene issues generally are are an issue but I think that could go either way right? I mean? Yeah, okay.
  • [01:18:19] Keith: Oh I have another one. Yeah I was I was dating somebody ah not dating. Ah I went on a None and then a None date with someone and she had I mean she just I think she just wasn't wearing deodorant or she she had b o and it was noticeable.
  • [01:18:32] Mike: Yeah, yeah.
  • [01:18:58] Keith: And foul and I was like yeah I Just don't want to get this person back into my bedroom like it just seems. Ah yeah I don't know but I guess I'm just overly sensitive to that kind of stuff. But.
  • [01:19:00] Mike: You didn't ever have I mean a thought I would have in that situation is something like okay, this person has this hygiene issue and it's probably in a longstanding hygiene issue and maybe she was attractive and I might I could see thinking to myself. Wow. Okay, so I might think to myself. Wow This person is single because of this hygiene issue I have.
  • [01:19:39] Keith: Yeah, she was.
  • [01:19:39] Mike: Found her because nobody else is willing to deal with this and if I find a way to deal with this I basically have like I've I've sort of scored some kind of goal here exactly and then I she's if I can do it in such a way that she doesn't leave me now the problem with that is there's some sort of like Cinderella thing here which is like.
  • [01:20:05] Keith: I Now I now I can like plus five her. Yeah.
  • [01:20:13] Mike: You fix the hygiene issue and then she's immediately going to start dating like some and Nba player. So basically yeah, you and I bet that happens too where people were some guy like up levels a woman and then she just bails. Yeah, so there's there's probably no winning there. Yes, the whole world is seeking arrangement.
  • [01:20:38] Keith: Right. Right. Well I could take a short term win like if I wasn't you know, looking to marry this person getting a few weeks or months would be would have some value.
  • [01:20:53] Mike: That's true. It would be tricky to figure out how to deal with the b o thing with probably something like paying somebody else to tell her. Ah you know where where it's not obvious that that happened like you just pay some friend to or some you know some acquaintance to. Run into her with you and then have him just say the horrible thing and then she'll ask well is that true and you'd be like yeah you know let's list you know and then then you can be like the kind of Knight. There's something. There's something like that you could do to solve it.
  • [01:22:01] Keith: This this reminds me earlier in my career I was managing a team of folks and the company I was working for insisted on having all of my reports write reviews for each other and.
  • [01:22:14] Mike: Who.
  • [01:22:40] Keith: Um, and this one guy who worked for me wrote this review for a girl who worked for me where he complained about her bio and I'm supposed to deliver the peer feedback to my employees and.
  • [01:22:29] Mike: Oh now.
  • [01:22:50] Mike: And you did right.
  • [01:23:16] Keith: Yeah I mean I was sort of obligated I actually asked HR and they were like it was somewhat young company and they said so anyway I was awkward but that's an example of a case where someone was being paid to tell someone else they havebo. Um.
  • [01:23:06] Mike: Right.
  • [01:23:25] Mike: Right? I Think that's a yeah, that's a thing that can come up partly because if you have employees coming from different cultures. They would have different standards about certain things and then yeah like somebody has to do it and really I think the hr person maybe should jump in and do that and not force the the manager to do it. But.
  • [01:24:00] Keith: Right.
  • [01:24:16] Keith: Yeah, yeah I think so okay, let's move on ah this one short and sweet. This one says when you say sit on my face. Do you mean? sit or hover I'm a plus side girl sized girl.
  • [01:24:00] Mike: Yeah, someone's got to do it right? so.
  • [01:24:23] Mike: Oh.
  • [01:24:49] Keith: And I'm pretty insecure about this and I'm very confused because when they say sit do they actually mean sit completely or just squat. Um, well I know now I know what I know what I mean when I say it I know I yeah I was.
  • [01:24:46] Mike: Well this is easy. They yeah I don't ever say that but go on.
  • [01:25:27] Keith: Thinking to myself I'm certain you does So why don't you do you have a comment you want to make before I bias you with what I'm going to. Although you're not going to say what I'm going to say.
  • [01:25:13] Mike: Oh well I mean it's I've never I've never had sex with a plus- size person I have to say so I don't actually know I don't I'm not totally like ah to be honest, like I've watched Bb w porn before instead of curiosity to like understand how the people's bodies are yeah cause I'm not.
  • [01:26:00] Keith: Um, the mechanics. Yeah.
  • [01:25:53] Mike: Actually have no personal experience in that area and I'm not attracted to very overweight people or really overweight people generally so that's not going to be something I'll have a lot of experience with. But um, if you take like a more typical experience I think that. I I think I would say squat. But really what I think is typically meant is the woman gets on her knees. Ah, okay now I know that I'm supposed to say she's facing the same direction as your head.. Although if you're in a 69 position. She's facing the other way and for some reason I Always think of it that way with. So Basically she's facing the headboard of the bed. Let's say as is your head. Okay, and and importantly she puts her ah her her knees. She locates them kind of above your shoulders meaning toward your head from your shoulders that way. She only has to straddle your neck and head area and that way it's actually not.
  • [01:27:22] Keith: Yes, right.
  • [01:27:39] Mike: So it's sort of squatting but it's really just kneeling right? She's kneeling with her and then she can simply decide how far apart her knees are in order to position and then your head is on a pillow so your head is a little bit up right.
  • [01:28:08] Keith: Yeah, it depends. Yeah, it depends on the situation you can do it where ah you the man is completely lying down or you can do it where the man is sitting up a little bit and you know.
  • [01:28:19] Mike: Oh.
  • [01:28:44] Keith: Maybe resting against the head but headboard not like fully and in which case she can almost be standing if depending on Torso length and the height of your partner.
  • [01:28:37] Mike: Oh interesting. Okay is that your preferred That's not really sitting on your face though. That's some other event I mean I like it I like the idea. Yeah.
  • [01:29:16] Keith: Ah, sitting would be the wrong sitting would be the wrong word but in the kneeling situation sitting sort of the wrong I guess squatting and sitting or okay, whatever this is just vocabulary.
  • [01:29:16] Mike: Wouldnt I mean nobody seriously means sitting because that would I mean sitting per people imagine like crossing your legs like a kindergartner might do and that's obviously preposterous. You just be sort of balanced on your face that doesn't work. Ah yeah, basically anything she did.
  • [01:30:00] Keith: Who.
  • [01:29:51] Mike: Short of I mean you can imagine something like the milking table milking table is a thing where men lie face down on a table that has a hole cut in it. No women really want this. This is just porn made for men and this dick is sticking through and the woman fillates it or something through the table you can imagine something similar.
  • [01:30:37] Keith: The modified glory hole. Yeah.
  • [01:30:26] Mike: Right? You can imagine something similar where there's a hole a larger hole in a table that the woman could sit on but the thing is like I don't think her vulva would protrude properly through that and it's just not what anybody means? Yeah, that's right.
  • [01:30:59] Keith: Yes, getting the physics right? There would be hard. Ah, the reason why I ask people to sit on my face is because I think it gives them more agency in the oral sex experience. So they can add or subtract weight or position better than they can when they're on their back which is the standard ah cunny Linus position.
  • [01:31:46] Mike: I Think I mean my impression of this is that women generally prefer the lying down position I think it's easier for some reason for them to orgasm in that position maybe just physiologically or psychologically. It's the position where they're kind of typically having sex. Yeah.
  • [01:32:32] Keith: I think psychologically too I think I think a lot of women are sort of I mean men too. But you know embarrassed about their bodies. You read lots of posts about you know women not liking being on top because they feel like they're sort of.
  • [01:32:31] Mike: Yes.
  • [01:33:10] Keith: You know on display.
  • [01:32:52] Mike: Well I mean they are in the sense that if you're lying down as a woman men don't really I guess you know high weight Proportionate Men. Don't have this problem because a man's body doesn't have a lot of fat deposits that kind of shift around but a woman who's on top is going like her breasts aren't going to be because she's not wearing a bra Typically. Breasts are going to kind of be not necessarily completely controlled in their motion and so forth and so it makes sense that she would be more confident in the way she looks when she lies down because things kind of settle settle in right.
  • [01:34:10] Keith: Yeah. Yeah I mean I mean we could move on here. But I think the the answer look okay are as for like whether you should like sit and put all your weight and what's going On. There is no the answer is no, you should not do that. There are some men who have like a suffocation kink.
  • [01:34:29] Mike: Oh of course.
  • [01:34:58] Keith: Ah, but that is different than the standard sort of face sitting ah invitation. So I'm sure this person doesn't listen to our show but that's the answer.
  • [01:34:45] Mike: Right? I Well but I I also think that largely not largely but in a sick to significant extent. This activity is more for the man than the woman I think that most women.
  • [01:35:38] Keith: Ah.
  • [01:35:22] Mike: Like put it this would put it this way there are there is a subset of women that masturbate through unusual means. Not bad, just unusual where they for example, rub their legs together hump a pillow lie prone on a bed face down and and hump that way. There are various things women do but most women.
  • [01:36:12] Keith: Yeah.
  • [01:35:57] Mike: Most of the time have their orgasms lying on their back with their legs sort of parted that is not true for men men heaths famously likes to stand up in front of his desk men do it in the shower men sit at it. Okay, but but but the point is that men actually men get.
  • [01:36:38] Keith: This this though I I have done that that is a good go on.
  • [01:36:33] Mike: Ah, some kind of different pleasure from different positions which makes some sense because men like when they're having Piv sex men adopt different positions whereas I think that women I think there's um I think women have a stronger orientation around a single position and so basically you're moving the woman out of the most common orgasm position for them.
  • [01:36:59] Keith: Yep.
  • [01:37:10] Mike: When you do it this way. Not to say they can't climax from this I Just think it's more of a hassle and more work and typically women would avoid this position and maybe it's also psychological in how their body looks so.
  • [01:37:49] Keith: If I could ascertain that my partner is perfectly comfortable with her body like she doesn't you know she feels a less than average amount of shame. Um I mean I I mention this because yeah when I when I.
  • [01:37:52] Mike: Here.
  • [01:38:27] Keith: Invite people to sit on my face. It's usually because I mean I'm not doing it for my own benefit. Although I don't I kind of like it I can imagine doing it for my own benefit but mostly I'm doing it because I'm trying to impart agency onto them.
  • [01:38:18] Mike: Okay, and you say. Do you say sit on my face. All right? Do the women do women want you to or want you to not or express no opinion about whether you masturbate yourself while they're on while they're on your face. Do they care what your hands are doing down there or do they want.
  • [01:39:02] Keith: Yeah I think so yeah I think that's the way you you you do it.
  • [01:39:29] Keith: But has it come up. It has it come up. Yeah.
  • [01:39:12] Mike: You're not, You're basically just using your mouth hasn't come up. Okay, all right? That's an interesting That's an interesting one Well and the reason I bring that up is that it is. It is not uniquely but it is a position where you can give oral and masturbate at the same time whereas if the woman's lying on her back. It's actually kind of hard to do that unless you have some sort of weird apparatus. So.
  • [01:39:57] Keith: Um, yeah, you're right? yes.
  • [01:39:52] Mike: Kind of bed adjusted or bed. Ah a fixed flashlight. Your hand isn't you know? yeah I I guess you could ever scoot to the edge of the bed and you could kneel in front of the bed and then beat off but she can't necessarily know you're doing it like yeah so I could see a woman fetishizing that like oh you're you're so into you.
  • [01:40:21] Keith: Yeah, you right? You're right.
  • [01:40:27] Mike: Do you ever? Are you saying that you never masturbate while having a woman sit on your face.
  • [01:40:55] Keith: I mean 1 annoying thing about these conversations is you know like let's say it's happened. You know 10 with with 10 times in my life right? like never out of 10
  • [01:40:47] Mike: Who.
  • [01:41:03] Mike: Ah.
  • [01:41:33] Keith: Isn't really a super large sample size. Although now that I think about it I think I've had more than 10 women sit on my face.
  • [01:41:13] Mike: Okay, that's a fair answer though. Yeah I would say that I typically would masturbate during that activity and it's because yeah, like it it is ah it is it heightens the Arousal having female genitals near you.
  • [01:42:04] Keith: Yeah.
  • [01:41:50] Mike: But ah, the problem is that you yeah you you kind of? don't want a nut in that position because you're just yeah, it's kind of lame. So.
  • [01:42:19] Keith: Um, yeah I mean in a face-sitting situation Probably P I V is going to follow and so and like and I.
  • [01:42:16] Mike: Right? I mean the only other thing I can think of is the the the reverse face sitting that you don't like very much and I understand why because of the butthole knows issue.
  • [01:42:48] Keith: Oh but he likes that Well I guess I guess people who like eating asked you.
  • [01:42:39] Mike: Well no, no because you could have then it's like a 69 position but you could I believe I've done this before where the woman is facing the other way but she's sort of in a 69 position then you jack off into her mouth right? That's like that's like a possible thing to have happen. Yeah, and then that's just you then you're getting the whole the maximum stimulation experience without.
  • [01:43:14] Keith: Sure it is yeah.
  • [01:43:19] Mike: PIV or whatever. But that's that's something you've not done. Oh you should do that I don't want to? oh this is interesting. Oh hang on a sec I used to be that way in high school so you do never touch your penis and round partners.
  • [01:43:42] Keith: Correct I don't like masturbating around partners.
  • [01:44:15] Keith: Ah, yeah, again with never that rarely? Yeah, yeah.
  • [01:44:06] Mike: Okay, rarely. Yeah, when I say never I mean rarely I guess I should do better with my terminology. So So is that because okay, so obviously I'm going to jump to the suspicion that that's because masturbating is more complicated because of being because of circumcision. Issues and so needing like lubrication is that why or like no sleeping bag nearby or.
  • [01:45:05] Keith: I mean I think there are a number of reasons why 1 might masturbate. Yeah I mean one could be to like maintain arousal right? Ah, one could be um I guess.
  • [01:45:04] Mike: Okay.
  • [01:45:45] Keith: Yeah I guess pleasure seeking I guess I Maybe my struggle is I don't like doing things that are sexual pleasure seeking that aren't explicitly working toward Orgasm That's not exactly true.
  • [01:46:01] Mike: For yourself or your partner or both but masturbating is deaf I mean like but okay, a very normal kind of neutral activity in a blowjob scenario is basically I mean you see this in porn all the time and it's something that I.
  • [01:46:22] Keith: But for me for myself.
  • [01:46:36] Mike: Do affectionately myself in my life which is basically basically to masturbate into a woman's mouth right? That's something you just don't That's not cool for you. Okay, what about masturbating into a woman's Vagina or onto.
  • [01:47:06] Keith: Um, no I I do and I have I have yeah.
  • [01:47:24] Keith: Um, ah well sometimes I pull out and then if I if I miss time the pulling out I might need to masturbate a bit too.
  • [01:47:25] Mike: Um, right.
  • [01:47:39] Mike: Got it sort of slip and slide situation right? Yes, okay.
  • [01:48:04] Keith: Ah, finish the deed. Yeah I think we have time for 1 more topic we keep talking about this but um, been ready to move on from this one for a while. Okay, ah and and and now we get back to squirting.
  • [01:47:58] Mike: No, let's do one more.
  • [01:48:18] Mike: Um, yeah has begun.
  • [01:48:42] Keith: After years of always wanting to my wife has began swerting squirting now she loves how it feels and is really into it. But I'm turned off by it. It's kind of gross. It was always one of our fantasies I thought that I would really be into it throughout her sexual history. She would occasionally squirt she would do it maybe a few times a year not very frequently but it would happen. In the last year though it's happening almost every time we have sex she loves it. She said it feels really good I thought I would be into it. But it's kind of gross. It really is a mix of urine and whatever else comes out urine. It really smells she squirted all over her furniture. So we have to clean the furniture and sofa pillows afterwards. It's a really strong urine smell. She's so into it. And now proud that she does it so easily I briefly brought up that she seems to be he wrote that she seems to be a lot of urine smell and she got really hurt and self-conscious. She said I made her not want to do it and she really likes it so I dropped the subject. It's been okay, but a few nights ago she squirted off her sofa. Tried to clean it up the best I could but the next morning it smelled I just went to tell my wife that I'm about into it but don't want to squirt shame her thought suggestions. Ah yeah, is there a like legion of women out there who just experience incontinence when aroused.
  • [01:50:23] Mike: Squirt shame.
  • [01:51:07] Keith: This guy talks about how it used to be occasional and now it's constant and I'm wondering if you know there's some sort of training that I Yeah I don't understand right? like ah. Is yeah, is there some sort of like I don't know class or experience or set of experiences that women can do that makes squirting happen way more often or are a bunch of women squirters but they just hold back or like what's. You have a theory of the case here.
  • [01:52:04] Mike: Um, I mean it makes sense to me that there's certain activities I mean the the the surefire Earth activities people do in porn to cause a woman to squirt involve and a vigorous rubbing of the wall. Ah, shared wall of the erethra and the vagina and so it makes sense to Me. There's certain activities that make a woman have a propensity to like relax there and have some incontinence. Ah, it's also could be like a life change right? I mean if you have a baby or something you're gonna have Incontinence. So I don't mean there. There are other like facts missing from this? Um, but I don't know if there.
  • [01:53:04] Keith: Ah.
  • [01:53:20] Mike: To the question of whether there's some large set of women out there that are scorrting all the time I don't know. Um.
  • [01:53:47] Keith: Are there a large is there a large set of women out there who aren't squirting but kind of sort of feel like they could and are resisting it and if they did would enjoy sex more.
  • [01:53:51] Mike: I Don't know about the enjoy sex more thing but it is I'll say this it is really common women who kind of almost orgasm but never but aren't able to get over the hump. It's really really super common to see them say oh I feel like I'm going to pee and so maybe.
  • [01:54:40] Keith: Yeah.
  • [01:54:28] Mike: Yeah I mean it could entirely be that there's a certain level of relaxation. A woman gets to where it's a little bit confusing and yeah and basically in a highly aroused state they they as they're more relaxed. They stop controlling the P Basically it makes sense to me.
  • [01:55:19] Keith: Once you've achieved squirting frequently. Would it be a bummer to try to stop yourself from doing it. Do you think that sucks.
  • [01:55:14] Mike: Maybe I mean look ah well I doubt it's that big of a it wouldn't be like and I did this in my youth Once it was uncomfortable I basically stopped my semen from coming out because I was curious. It was really uncomfortable like I I squeezed my penis such a way that it semen didn't come in I don't think it would be at that level where that's like.
  • [01:56:14] Keith: Yeah.
  • [01:55:53] Mike: Blowing up a balloon on the inside of your penis I don't think it would be like that. But it was uncomfortable. But but yeah I mean it could be that there's some positive feeling to basically just not trying to control anything to totally lose control Sure um and it makes sense to me that if you just if you just decide. You're not going to try to control your pelvic muscles at all.
  • [01:56:34] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
  • [01:56:32] Mike: Um, also might start pooping right? like they they're going have rhythmic contraction of their anus and like in between those rhythmic contractions maybe small amounts of something would escape. Yeah.
  • [01:56:58] Keith: Yeah, ah, Jesus all right? That's going to do it for episode 70 if your my which may ferry again, we pay $10 for any feedback we receive so to get that free sweet cash simply send us feedback back. To at Ymmv Pod on Twitter or by email at Y Mmv Pod at http://gmail.com. Thanks for listening and we look forward to having you join us next time bye for now.