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Episode 79: Interview With Sage: Queer, MMF, Squirting

Team YMMV | 8-11-2022 | 1:04:21

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Look, it's not every day that we have the opportunity to speak with any 19-year-old woman about her sex life. So, we appreciated that, and we know you will as well. We interviewed Sage, a 19-year-old female listener with a genuinely fascinating set of sexual experiences.

Rather than spoil the details for you, I'll just say that she's primarily attracted to women, but she has a male partner. And he likes to find male thirds for their couple. Sage self-identifies as queer, and she is very open about what she likes and doesn't like.

And, Sage went ahead and checked for herself what fluid comes out when she squirts. She can confirm that it's pee.

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Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with candor and humor that is frequently controversial but usually in good faith I'm Keith my co-host is Mike hello mike yeah.
  • [00:08] Mike: Hello keith.
  • [00:13] Keith: Ah, so today I'm happy to reveal that we have a brand new guest to the show. Her name is sage and we're excited to get her perspective on a variety of topics pertaining to sex welcome to the show sage. Yeah now go ahead.
  • [00:22] Sage: Hi guys. So I mean and just a little bit a little bit about me I'm I guess I'm jumping ahead? Um, so I've been listening to the podcast for a while. So I just reached out I'm a.
  • [00:31] Keith: Me.
  • [00:39] Sage: 19 year old female. So not in their general demographic and they need a little bit of help in that area. So I was like hey I'm pretty open I'll I'll talk about whatever. So yeah.
  • [00:51] Keith: Yeah I mean I would say that a 19 year old female is about as diametrically opposed to our general perspective. So yeah, this should be entertaining.
  • [01:03] Mike: Um I hate I hate talking to 19 year old women Keith it's the worst.
  • [01:07] Keith: How often has that happened in the last say fifteen years Mike can you can you count to on on one finger. Okay.
  • [01:14] Mike: No I'm usually just like overhearing like there's no actually like I don't output anything to them. Yeah, so but I was being sarcastic. Obviously.
  • [01:20] Sage: Um, I yeah.
  • [01:25] Keith: Yeah I mean I think this is going to be but should be interesting. So I know a little bit about you from our email correspondence and I'd be happy to summarize that but perhaps you could tell us a bit more about your sexual experience.
  • [01:41] Sage: Yeah, so me I I live in a very conservative State. So Not a lot of sex education. But I went out of my way to learn things because I thought it was interesting and I had None sexual experiences pretty early. Um. And then I was like do you know? what? it's not good like high school sex isn't good. And yeah, yeah, you were exactly which is really embarrassing but also like took it into my own hands and then.
  • [02:04] Keith: Okay, this was like last year or the year before okay
  • [02:17] Sage: I met my current partner and we have a very open sexual relationship that doesn't really follow the norms so well. Yes, 21 year old cisgender male. Yes, so he's I am openly queer like that's.
  • [02:22] Keith: Okay, okay, okay.
  • [02:23] Mike: Um, and your partner is a man or identifies as a man. Okay, okay.
  • [02:36] Sage: Ah, big part of my life I like to advocate about that. Um, so basically I don't really care about the gender of the person like if you're cool I'll hang out with you if you're hot I'll fuck. You basically you know like yeah, so.
  • [02:45] Keith: Ah huh.
  • [02:45] Mike: So is that what queer means I've because I've tried to figure out before if I'm queer it sounds like might maybe I'm not.
  • [02:54] Sage: I mean it has different definitions to everyone I don't really subscribe to like I'm bisexual pansexual. So I just a very general overlay just Queer works I don't really want to stick in a box because the box changes every once and all you know.
  • [03:10] Mike: Okay, but if somebody let's say you had somebody who was a Cis genderted man who'd been married for say 20 years and did not have sex with anybody but their wife is that person queer could that could that person be queer.
  • [03:14] Sage: Um, yeah, okay, yes.
  • [03:23] Sage: They definitely could. But they're very deeply closeted and disturbed. So I mean yeah.
  • [03:29] Mike: That sounds right? Okay, that sounds about right.
  • [03:33] Keith: But wait hold on what sorts of things. Yeah, like what? what? What's a queer thing that like what's something that separates a queer person from a non-queer person.
  • [03:35] Sage: Yeah.
  • [03:48] Sage: Um, I would say like in my personal situation I I guess I fall into like the pansexual range So like gender doesn't matter to me. It's more about the person. But for me like I don't like men.
  • [04:01] Keith: Okay.
  • [04:07] Sage: I Genuinely could not see myself being in a relationship with a man and now I have my partner and I'm in love with him and stuck with him but also I'm still more sexually attracted to females. But I'm more sexually gratified by my partner. So.
  • [04:12] Keith: Right.
  • [04:18] Keith: Okay, ha.
  • [04:25] Sage: I like I like girls but my partner's really good. So I'm sticking with him for a bit. Yes, as in. Yeah, yeah, definitely so in our situation.
  • [04:30] Keith: He's particularly skilled.
  • [04:31] Mike: Can you say like more about what being good means is it like I mean I assume it means Beyond like sexually like it means like in a relationship context. He's good.
  • [04:44] Sage: Um, me liking girls. Ah he's in the situation where he never had the opportunity to really figure out his sexuality so he's doing it now in college you know he'll talk to Men. He doesn't go very Far. He has like very strict boundaries. Um, but he's discovering what he likes to do with men while I'm discovering what I like to do with women or so um, judgment for him. Definitely not not if he's not ready to do something.
  • [05:09] Keith: Was there any judgment there when you said very strict boundaries would you prefer would you prefer that his boundaries be less strict. Okay.
  • [05:11] Mike: Um, this.
  • [05:23] Sage: Like the initial attraction was just into I guess Fallacio sucking a guy's stick he was like you know I enjoy um oral with you I Wonder if I would enjoy oral with a man since I enjoy it so much. Um, and he was like I I wouldn't.
  • [05:35] Keith: Well.
  • [05:41] Sage: Mind trying if it was a good fit and he was a cool guy you know because at that time he waits. Yeah.
  • [05:43] Keith: Yeah I This is okay, yeah.
  • [05:44] Mike: Um, I told you this is common Keith but he's but he's he's not. He's not to the point where he like wants to have a relationship with a guy. He's just interested in their penis.
  • [05:52] Sage: No, he's he's David yeah, like not not romantically wanting to get involved with a man any at any point in his life. He's just curious wants to try. So at None he was very much like I'm straight but I'm curious and I want to try oral.
  • [06:04] Keith: Okay.
  • [06:11] Sage: And now he's more by curious like he does enjoy sexual relations with men and finding new things he likes but um in the past it would be threesome. So yes, like we would be.
  • [06:17] Mike: Are you are you typically there when he does this.
  • [06:27] Mike: Isn't that kind of annoying for you because you don't You're not even that into guys right? I mean it's just all the guys everywhere right? I mean it's frustrating.
  • [06:31] Sage: But he's but he's like so gratified by it and has such a good time that like I basically get off on that like giving him pleasure brings me pleasure. So I'm very much of a giver and like I don't I don't have to come I Just want to see him like.
  • [06:40] Mike: Um.
  • [06:49] Sage: Have a smile on his face and try something. He's never tried before and like it.
  • [06:51] Keith: Where would the bounds of that. Yeah, like what are the bounds on that like let's say he was like I want to get sexually gratified but I don't want you in the room is that a concern.
  • [06:51] Mike: See this key. Yeah.
  • [07:00] Sage: Um, it is not because that's what we're doing right now I work every single day pretty much like weekdays I'm working and he works from home so he does have more time to talk to other people or.
  • [07:11] Keith: Ah.
  • [07:18] Sage: Fine people. But he's also a lot stricter than I am like I'll like I said if you're hot I'll fuck you he has boundaries and like a specific type and he's very he's very picky but if he he actually has found someone who is.
  • [07:26] Keith: Okay.
  • [07:35] Sage: Just as picky as he is and it works great and they see each other pretty often and I've met him I have been with him a couple times but ah, my partner has been with him on a regular basis. So yeah, yes.
  • [07:38] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [07:47] Keith: Okay.
  • [07:48] Mike: And when you say been with him. You mean they just give each other oral so who okay, so this is maybe you would have expertise. Maybe maybe we need to have your your partner on to ask him but is there an issue of of let's see 1 person comes None okay and then.
  • [07:54] Sage: Yes.
  • [07:58] Sage: Yes. Um, I Knew your task list.
  • [08:06] Keith: Yeah here we go.
  • [08:08] Mike: Right is there is there. So so the guy who comes None no longer is as sexually aroused so I mean do you know which person tends to come None your partner or his partner or does it. They flip a coin.
  • [08:17] Sage: Um, usually actually sometimes it's a surprise like you'll be like oh I wasn't oh my God I wasn't expecting to come whoa like that was fast but like for either um, but.
  • [08:25] Keith: Move.
  • [08:26] Mike: Spinach radle.
  • [08:31] Mike: Um, ah.
  • [08:35] Sage: There isn't really, it's just like a in the moment thing sometimes neither of them or one of them always finishes but sometimes the other doesn't and like once when it was the 3 of us my partner None Ah sorry my partner purposefully did not finish just so. Once our friend left then we could do more afterwards like that sort of thing. So and yes, yeah, yes, yeah yeah.
  • [08:55] Keith: Interesting.
  • [08:58] Mike: Well then he also sort of won the encounter because see that the the light saber battle because he came second and the other guy left think about that. So the other guy the guy comes in he he he nuts and then he takes off.
  • [09:14] Sage: Yeah, yeah, no, it is but also awesome like in every we keep our lives very separate but great guy. Great situation for dutch my partner and super sweet like I don't.
  • [09:15] Keith: It's a pretty good setup for that guy.
  • [09:17] Mike: Well if you're into that. Yeah.
  • [09:29] Keith: Well keep keep in mind the situation. You've just described here is this man shows up. He gets blown and then he leaves and he doesn't have to do anything I mean.
  • [09:31] Sage: Right? youwhile.
  • [09:37] Sage: Yeah, by wait by not only a hot college man but a hot teen you know college. Basically you know like best. Well.
  • [09:46] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [09:48] Mike: Oh my lord are you? You're calling yourself a hot teen I look I'll vouch for 1 video here and I'll vouch for sage like yeah I go with that sure. But you're but you're you're very confident.
  • [09:56] Sage: I mean I'm yeah like I'm yeah and I it's because I'm very natural and like if you don't like me then you don't like me then I won't put the effort in you know like I want people to come after me and they do.
  • [10:09] Keith: Um, okay, yeah, yeah I still it. Okay I have a question. Okay, about yeah like a male male blow blowjob situation and you know.
  • [10:13] Mike: That's good self-esteem. It's awesome.
  • [10:14] Sage: So yeah, processing.
  • [10:27] Keith: And you know that there's not going to be and there's no penetration on the table at any point all right now right? Well, it's still unclear if it's transmitted orally, although yeah ninety Ninety nine percent of cases are are.
  • [10:32] Mike: So no Monkey pox.
  • [10:38] Mike: I Think it must be anal because otherwise women would be getting it more but it did move on though. That's not yet, It's men who have sex with one. Yeah.
  • [10:47] Keith: Men Anyway, yeah yeah, this is this dangerous ground here. Um, if you know that that no penetrations on the table and you feel liberated to come without making sure that the other person is.
  • [11:04] Sage: Yeah.
  • [11:04] Keith: Aroused or satisfied like is it just like a race like is the person giving the blowjobs and not the man having his dick sucked the person sucking the dick is he upset if the other person finishes and say you know 45 seconds
  • [11:18] Sage: No, it's actually it's actually like very celebrated the times that I've been there and even me like I don't I don't really mind how long he lasts I like celebrate it because whoa like you just came that that felt pretty good. Didn't it. You know.
  • [11:28] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [11:34] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [11:36] Sage: So it is a celebration like hey you just came and then because of that he gets more aroused and wants to make his friend finish so really like both of them do whether after 1 person finishes no matter what they go back and still do more or they aren't.
  • [11:44] Keith: Yeah.
  • [11:56] Sage: Intimate. But I'd say they are more touchy than just a guy blowing a guy would normally be like will make out. They have fun taking each other's clothes off like it's a whole ordeal. It's not just walk in take it out of the zipper and walk out. You know.
  • [12:00] Keith: Right.
  • [12:11] Keith: Um, yeah, okay.
  • [12:14] Sage: So it's It's a very odd situation I I'm very happy that he found it quickly after everything.
  • [12:19] Mike: So what's what's what is your role. So okay, so if if your partner has a man coming over and they're going to do this and you said there's touchy feeling stuff you're in the room. What are you doing like they're They're pretty busy is like oh I know do you.
  • [12:29] Sage: Um, yeah I'm I'm also yeah fuck. What do you mean by that specifically like.
  • [12:38] Mike: Do you ever do fuck licking.
  • [12:41] Keith: What's that.
  • [12:42] Mike: Um, look at that Click Fuck clicking is where it's It's one. It's a term that was recently coined. It's where no, no, it was somebody I wish I wish the only term but term I've coined is ah what is it the the ah.
  • [12:43] Keith: Um, yeah, Mike if what is it. By you.
  • [12:59] Sage: Annilingus or is that you no.
  • [13:00] Mike: No no, it's the it's the people try to notice. It's the what it's the one where the woman has been masturbating too much and she you know's white claw white claw for women who masturbbutating too much the ah because she's she's star. She yes exactly? Okay, but there're probably others but that's the main one? Ah but ah, okay so fuck clicking is when.
  • [13:05] Keith: Ah, oh white claw right? The female version of death gripped right.
  • [13:19] Mike: Ah, 2 partners a male and a female partner are having sex and a none partner is licking kind of the junction of their bodies and then maybe the man orgasms and the None person. Interacts with the semen or maybe he pulls out and puts it in the other person's mouth like so in other words are you involved in that way or you just like on the side sort of masturbating or you just like watching Tv in the corner or something in between.
  • [13:45] Sage: Um, kind of something in between usually it'll start with me like encouraging them. So while one is like unzipping the pants I'll be making out with the other or if None ne's already undressed and they're undressing the other I'll be sucking the dick of the guy. Who is naked and help taking the clothes off I incorporate myself that way and there will be there will be times where it is really hot like what they're doing so I will just sit back and watch and masturbate. But like if there is a penis out then there are 3 people that both of them should be occupied. You know, especially since it's more of my partner's experience. So I want it to be great for both them if he's not getting his dux his dicks up then like I could be doing it or I could be giving him a hand job or something you know so it's very.
  • [14:35] Keith: Right? right? Yeah, you have to also at your disposal.
  • [14:39] Mike: But you also are you're also interested in engaging with the None person. Okay, okay.
  • [14:43] Sage: It's like yes, yeah yeah, he's He's fairly attractive I will say like yeah I mean he's definitely older. Um, we we like to title it ourselves when like sexting basically will be like hot dull fucks.
  • [14:49] Keith: Fairly.
  • [15:03] Sage: Tight college girl while on lunch break because that's literally what it is. You know like that sort of thing we think it's funny because like that's that's what it is in reality we aren't making porn titles. We're just listing what's happening in real life. So um.
  • [15:05] Keith: Um, and.
  • [15:07] Mike: Um, that.
  • [15:13] Keith: Right? right? How did you find this None
  • [15:22] Sage: This was actually dutch finding the None he finds most of our thirds I I get scared very easily of random men commenting on my body so he sorts through the comments I just read like what has the most upboats. Basically so um, he found his friend on sniffles which is.
  • [15:24] Keith: Okay.
  • [15:29] Keith: Um, I hear you.
  • [15:41] Sage: I Guess it's kind of like grinder but it's a website where like it's It's basically like grinder and you see them on a map and it like shows their profile picture. It's basically a dick pic or a pussy pick or something. So.
  • [15:53] Keith: I I.
  • [15:53] Mike: So there are women on sniffles. It's not all grinders pretty much men I yeah.
  • [15:57] Sage: Yeah, it it's It's basically like render a very very small percentage of women because that's not really geared towards women. Um, yeah.
  • [16:01] Keith: Yeah, these yeah I mean these apps that are so overtly sexual many women are intimidated by that or aren't looking for that at all or so on and so forth and so wait my kid you heard of this app.
  • [16:18] Mike: No, she mentioned it actually I have I have a note here she mentioned it to me before when we talked before the show and no I This is a new one for me. Um, and I have a grinder account of course. But just for just for research.
  • [16:18] Keith: Before just now sniffles.
  • [16:30] Sage: And I think I think for Lisa the mentioned field we tried that app, but it's very much based on the city and area you're in and we aren't in a great area for finding people. Basically so.
  • [16:32] Keith: You're gonna have to sign up for snniffles.
  • [16:43] Keith: Yeah, yeah in in high density cities. You can. Yeah, it's not tricky. What is the excuse my ignorance here. What is the euphemism. What's a sniffle.
  • [16:49] Sage: Yeah.
  • [16:57] Sage: I um know I I could ask him. it's it's I think 3 a m where he is right now? Um, but I don't know I yeah it next time if he's on then we can ask him that.
  • [16:58] Keith: Like I know what grinder is right? That's about grinding. Okay, you don't know either.
  • [17:06] Keith: Yeah, this isn't an emergency I'm just curious. I Can't remember if I've told this story on the podcast before I have a gay friend who came to brunch one day and he was he was panicked because he had been blowing somebody and I can't remember if he sneezed or if he.
  • [17:16] Sage: Like that.
  • [17:33] Keith: Choked. Um, but he shot semen through and out his Nose. So The guy I guess the guy he was blowing orgasmed deposited some semen in his mouth and throat and then he sneezed or coughed and it came through his nose and his um. Ah, nose was bleeding and so he was okay well I'm just wondering if this is like a common. Yeah, if that's called a sniffle.
  • [17:55] Mike: Um, that's a that's a snuff of love against Keith.
  • [18:03] Sage: I mean.
  • [18:05] Mike: I'm trying to figure out where the hell it is 3 a m right now like is in the middle of the ocean. Okay, sorry here I was looking rio de janeiro I just try to figure it out I mean we've we've got a very.
  • [18:07] Sage: I Don't oh I don't I don't know the exact time I Just know that it's very it's yeah, very early. It's sometime. It's just not my current time. Um, yeah.
  • [18:11] Keith: The.
  • [18:19] Keith: Or yeah, 3 3 up is a euphemism for a time that's outrageous. Yeah um.
  • [18:22] Mike: Cosmopolitan podcast here. But okay, fair point fair point.
  • [18:25] Sage: Yeah, but yes, but with the snuff oophagus I've never had that happen. But once with a previous partner I was doing my thing and all of a sudden I gag which.
  • [18:35] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [18:43] Sage: I pride myself on not having a gag reflex like that's something I always brag about jokingly but it's not a joke but um, um, no so I I don't.
  • [18:49] Keith: Did you start without this gag reflex you know.
  • [18:53] Mike: Here we go.
  • [19:00] Sage: No I'll tell this story for you. All some musical I don't know if I can put this in though. But a past teacher of mine. He had a video go viral from when he was in college on none street which is famous for the bars in Austin and he was drunk. This guy was filming videos trying to get girls to deep throat a banana and. This girl. She's like she's struggling. She can't do it. It's like touching her tongue and she's gagging so he's like I got it I got it. He grabs it. He goes you pussy, you just got to grab your thumb and he like shoves it down his throat. And that video went viral and now he's a teacher at my old high school but I started grabbing my thumb like and I guess placebo effect I stopped gagging and then I stopped grabbing my thumb and I was still fine. So it worked but I I will say like.
  • [19:38] Keith: While.
  • [19:48] Keith: Ha.
  • [19:54] Sage: Starting the recording. It's just a lot of practice. So I mean yes, no, no inanimate object. That's not appealing to me personal. Yeah.
  • [19:57] Keith: Okay, but mostly live practice not on some inanimate object. Well I know it's not appealing but I've I would I've been wondering if somebody who had an over reactive or indeed a normal dag Reflex could. Learn to suppress it by diligent training. You know, like the scene in the rocky movies where it does all fit things to get strawryed ready for the fight like I was wondering if there was you know you could use a dildo and a banana and like various things to slowly suppress your your gagger reflex. But. I mean.
  • [20:34] Mike: You've only practiced on a penis.
  • [20:35] Sage: Yeah, pretty pretty much I don't I don't enjoy just shoving random things down my throat. So if it's to like get better and impress someone or like if if I'm just like man I really want to be proud of my head I I practice. And I get feedback like another previous partner after None of our encounters we literally rated each of the things we did and told each other's plus and minuses.
  • [21:02] Keith: Whoa, What were well what were your minuses.
  • [21:07] Sage: Um, my minuses I don't know because immediately immediately. Yeah I don't know his.
  • [21:07] Mike: Um.
  • [21:13] Keith: Was this like was this like a job interview minuses where it's like yeah I'm I'm I'm I'm too much of a perfectionist you know, like think that they're not really minus is.
  • [21:16] Mike: She was too enthusiastic.
  • [21:24] Mike: I'm too hot.
  • [21:24] Sage: Immediately after there was a round two because my head was a 10 on a 10 and I wanted to show him. It could be an 11 so I'm the same thing again. But anytime he moaned I went slower. So.
  • [21:28] Keith: Wow.
  • [21:29] Mike: What? What? What? What? What did you do to get it to 11
  • [21:38] Keith: Oh.
  • [21:40] Mike: What percentage of the time while you're giving a blow are you deep throating would you say okay.
  • [21:42] Sage: Yeah. Very little I'd say that's like a fun special thing. The only time it's like a high percentage of the singular blowjob would be if they're like pushing my head down if they're super into it in that way or if it's like face fucking and they're trying to be rough. Um, but I I don't enjoy that. So with my partner if that's the mood for the for the blowjob then I'll happily oblige but it's more obviously like the tip that's that's the secret. That's what you have to do to have a good blowjob tick.
  • [22:19] Keith: Yes, the the tip is very important I can confirm this.
  • [22:23] Sage: Yeah.
  • [22:25] Mike: What's so it's hard a little hard to square this with your earlier statement that you're not like that into men like your you seem very animated talking about your various skills and you actually haven't yet mentioned.
  • [22:29] Sage: Yeah.
  • [22:38] Mike: Any activities or you know yeah activities with women. So it's It's a little confusing like it sounds you sound like a very passionate hetero leaning lover.
  • [22:40] Sage: That.
  • [22:48] Sage: Yeah, well I mean most of my past experiences have been with me I've had I had a girlfriend for a little bit but she was the top and I literally like would not let me touch her Basically so.
  • [23:02] Keith: Hold on I don't actually know what that means in a Lesbian context. Yeah.
  • [23:07] Sage: Um, I mean basically she goes down on me. She fingers me does all of that stuff in this certain relationship. She wouldn't let me touch her. So just I guess a past trauma thing but I never pushed.
  • [23:14] Keith: Ah, did she as did she aspire to be touchable in the future or did she just think it wasn't going to be for her her whole life.
  • [23:18] Mike: Um.
  • [23:25] Sage: I I got cheated on so I wouldn't know she very very quick thing. So good for you. It was okay but I'm I've had 2 other female experiences that are pretty recent and they just weren't.
  • [23:31] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • [23:41] Keith: Um.
  • [23:44] Sage: Great. The other people could have been better or it's just the the sex was good but the environment could have been better. You know, um, like the.
  • [23:52] Keith: No I don't know. Can you elaborate.
  • [24:00] Sage: They had great Stamina there. They knew what they were doing obviously because they did make me orgasm but they weren't good I like the touchy the both encounters have been pretty bad kissers and.
  • [24:02] Keith: Okay, yeah.
  • [24:13] Keith: Interesting.
  • [24:16] Sage: They had very low self-esteem because when I came over there like I'm so surprised that you matched with me and came over and this happened so soon I'm just hard to have a good time. So obviously you're attractive I'm I'm talking to you? Yeah yeah.
  • [24:23] Keith: Um, yeah, right? Yeah I mean yeah Insecurity is not ah a good thing to portray and.
  • [24:38] Sage: Right? The confidence is what makes it hot the knowing what you're doing even if you don't faking it till you make it basically.
  • [24:41] Keith: Sexual encounters. Yeah yeah, but it sounds like you're complaining perhaps a little bit about I don't know a lack of intimacy in these and these 2 girl girl encounters like you said that they weren't.
  • [24:52] Sage: You.
  • [24:59] Keith: Good kissers. But maybe that's just a way of saying they didn't feel like they were emotionally attached or something I don't know am I putting words in your mouth there.
  • [25:05] Sage: Yeah, no, that could definitely be a thing because like I said earlier The reason I'm with my partner is because it's so good between us not just physically, but emotionally in communication ways and those were just random hookups that. I didn't plan on ever seeing them again. So We weren't able to adapt like touch me this way or do the you know.
  • [25:26] Keith: Yeah, it just it just feels like that's inverted from what I would expect I would expect women to be more I don't know emotionally intimate and men to be more just sort of there for the physicality but your experience has been.
  • [25:41] Sage: Well yeah, men are just more likely to come back. So with my like self-esteem. Basically it's because I want to see if I can get someone and then what I'm do I'm like cool now it's time to impress them and then when I'm do I'm like.
  • [25:44] Keith: The the opposite.
  • [26:00] Sage: Cool. Are they going to impress me now like sort of thing. So it's kind of a game for me but I make it a game that I share with my partner so we'll be like all right? We want to do this with someone. Let's find this type of person and they're like sweet.
  • [26:14] Keith: Yeah.
  • [26:14] Mike: Um, how do you.
  • [26:17] Sage: Um, them let's have it an engaging conversation and see if they can actually have a conversation cool. We've talked to them. Let's see if they can actually do what they're saying and so we invite them over do what we do and then we're like okay, either good or bad.
  • [26:22] Keith: Yep.
  • [26:30] Keith: Right? Yeah, kind of.
  • [26:31] Mike: Um, it sounds like a video game.
  • [26:34] Sage: Yeah I mean it's fun because we have that intimate conversation. We talk about every detail of it.
  • [26:39] Mike: How do you know that you're generally leaning toward being more attracted to women given the context here like you just did. There's just like an emotional feeling you have where you're like yeah this is the drive. This is really where my my heart is or something.
  • [26:52] Sage: I mean yeah I'd say that I'm more physically attracted like I when I see a guy walking down the street I Normally don't look unless my partner nudges means like hey he's hot look at look over there. But with girls I'm like always searching I'm like.
  • [27:05] Keith: Yeah.
  • [27:09] Sage: Oh She's cute. Ohh she's cute on I have tinder when I look for hiccups because you have a better demographic and tinder for my age and Lifestyle. Um, so it's only set to girls I'm not looking for couples or anything when it's me searching. It's just girls. That's my endgame. But you know I'm very open. So yeah.
  • [27:32] Keith: Yeah I mean you're young enough that it's probably yeah, you probably have some discovery left here. It'll be curious to see where you end up falling. Yeah, but I mean I I like this. Ah.
  • [27:44] Sage: Yeah.
  • [27:51] Keith: Like the notion of like scientific experimentation and having lots of different experiences and trying to see what's most interesting a bit. Well I think her boyfriend or her partner may. Okay, yeah I think that wouldn't be.
  • [27:58] Mike: Um, your 3 years go ahead. Keith.
  • [28:05] Sage: Yeah, Boyfriend boyfriend works. Yeah.
  • [28:10] Keith: Careful with pronouns. Ah may Um, yeah I'm I'm I'm also curious if he's like do you think he's open to trying more classically gay things like does he want to be penetrated or to penetrate.
  • [28:25] Sage: Um, he has stated explicitly that he does not want to be penetrated. Um, when it's just me and him we've tried like 1 finger like just to a knuckle basically um, but we do enjoy analingus eating ass. Basically.
  • [28:39] Keith: Yep. Oh.
  • [28:44] Sage: Um, but that's basically as far as he'll go anal-wise but I mean penetrating someone else. That's a possibility. He just hasn't done that yet and hasn't felt comfortable to explore it but he knows about it and he's looked into it. Yeah, so once he.
  • [28:59] Keith: He's heard of it.
  • [29:02] Sage: Once and if he decides to do it. He'll know how to do it.
  • [29:04] Mike: Do you have like a sales pitch for analingus like you know I like it because like as a woman like yeah, why are yeah as a queer cisgendered woman. Why are you? why? like why? Why do you want that.
  • [29:08] Sage: No.
  • [29:16] Sage: I mean I Enjoy it feels good to me I mean I It initially started with me wanting to eat dutch's ass and it was fun. I got a really cool Reaction. He enjoyed it. Um, and it was something He'd never done before so I was his None for that and I was like sure we can you can eat my ass but it always started like in the shower so immediately. Hygienic Clean. That's that's where a lot of our new adventures will start like in the shower because you can rinse off right? there.
  • [29:41] Keith: Yeah, that's a good start.
  • [29:50] Keith: Yeah.
  • [29:52] Sage: Nice, clean, can be dried space basically but're like hey we just we just got clean when I try eating my ass and I was like yeah no I'm not but it could.
  • [30:00] Mike: Um, but you're not going to like orgasm from it.
  • [30:07] Sage: If he's doing something else or if I'm using a toy and he's eating my ass. It'll help me Orgasm Quicker or have a more effective harder Orgasm I Yes, yeah because it's it's like multiple stimulations you know like.
  • [30:14] Keith: Um, okay, can intensify the orgasm.
  • [30:21] Mike: How much how much will it intensify it. Um.
  • [30:26] Sage: And not a lot I mean it's not like adding Cli stimululation to vaginal Intercourse. It's just adding anal play to whatever already pretty good stimulation is happening because I don't like to start with someone eating my ass that that won't get me going at all. So It's more added on later.. It's like sprinkles you know? yeah.
  • [30:48] Keith: Yeah, but wealth I mean might do you want to say it or do you want me to say it's no I'm not.
  • [30:59] Mike: I'm just thinking about Keith how you're depriving Alyssa of sprinkles. Oh you're not you do provide analingus.
  • [31:05] Keith: Yeah, using the sprinkle. No I am not providing getallicas but using using the sprinkles Ally yeah I mean that's like flavor their sprinkles I don't think that I I wish there was some way that we could measure your orgasm intensity I suspect that I I believe that she thinks.
  • [31:17] Sage: Yeah.
  • [31:18] Mike: Oh I Trust her.
  • [31:24] Keith: It's increasing the intensity. But how do you? Yeah okay I mean it is very hard to have an objective measure of orgasm intensity and there's so much.
  • [31:24] Sage: What about the Pulsations How many per minute are you having is that that what you're trying to say.
  • [31:33] Mike: Um, if her partner is providing her analingus she can count them because his tongue is there.
  • [31:40] Sage: We could do that I mean I could ask him to count my pulses on finax.
  • [31:44] Keith: I Don't think that pulses and pulse intensity or number are necessarily the perfect measure of orgasm intensity.
  • [31:53] Mike: I do.
  • [31:55] Sage: I mean it's like an orgasm can either be good or bad. So I think you could I will I only do scales of 1 to 5 so skill one to 5
  • [31:57] Keith: Ah.
  • [32:01] Mike: Redur.
  • [32:02] Keith: Yeah, thanks. Wait now can you not do that. That's what uber and like Google reviews do it needs to go 0 to 5 when you go 1 to 5? It's the same as 0 to 4.
  • [32:15] Sage: My okay I agree with that None is like just bad but 1 to 5 is like the actual ratings somewhat good somewhat bad. You know.
  • [32:20] Keith: Um, okay, okay, yeah.
  • [32:26] Mike: I get 0 orgas a level 0 orgasms I've I've told you this Keith if I take Ibuprofen the next day I I can have an orgasm where there's no pleasure.
  • [32:32] Keith: Um, yeah. Um, it's not yeah yeah, yes I Ibuprofen definitely lowers the intensity of my orgasms I don't know if it takes it to None
  • [32:40] Mike: And I I took me a long time to figure out it was because of taking ibuprofen I suspect This is true for other people as well. But it's lowers it to 0 I Basically just I just ejaculate and there's no Pleasure. You're just like oh that was interesting and it's frustrating because like you go through I mean you're not you don't have like you're not uncomfortable afterward. But. Like you would be if you didn't ejaculate but it's just like anyway that's not well. It's it. It gets rid of the desire. It's just annoying because you're like just I don't know a dud is that right.
  • [33:01] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [33:01] Sage: It's not fulfilling.
  • [33:09] Sage: Yeah, it's kind of like with antidepressants. It's the same thing. So yeah, yeah, cause it I'm pretty sure I know there are different medications I have different symptoms but you some of them. You can't finish some of them you can, but it's not.
  • [33:14] Keith: Yeah.
  • [33:28] Sage: Fulfilling or it takes forever. Whatever So or it lowers your sex drive complete.
  • [33:31] Keith: Yeah, antidepressants famously lower sex drive for I don't know about for some significant percentage of people and people will experiment with different kinds to see if some have less of an effect on their sex life. But I mean.
  • [33:40] Sage: Yeah, and surprise presentation. Yeah.
  • [33:50] Keith: If only yeah, that sounds it is.
  • [33:50] Mike: She's saying it actually affects your orgasm intensity though which is a little different than drive right? It's it's the same thing as what I'm saying with the ibuprofen like you just you just get screw. Ah, Keith you mind if I ask sage a what her favorite part of giving a blow is.
  • [33:50] Sage: Yeah.
  • [34:03] Keith: By all means.
  • [34:05] Sage: Oh my goodness I love blows or I love giving blows to my partner because they've gotten so good from just the like head bobbing to like it's a whole thing now. So yes.
  • [34:15] Mike: What is what is your like? Okay so you've got the deep throat. You've got the focus on the head I Assume that you you you do like it when he comes in your mouth little hesitation there.
  • [34:25] Sage: Um I do yes um I mean we yeah we eat pretty healthy. We drink a lot of water so it's not a lot of tastes a little sweet but not like it's not a flavor So I don't mind.
  • [34:30] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [34:41] Keith: Have there been times when you have minded.
  • [34:45] Sage: Um I have another one story. So 1 time we were actually with a None and this my partner Dutch had already finished and.
  • [34:47] Keith: Um, okay theaters. Okay.
  • [35:00] Sage: The guy he finished earlier but we're on around 2 so he needed to finish I was ready to get him out of our apartment because I just wanted to like cuddle and watch Tv on the couch and I didn't I we said that we wanted him to come on my tits because that would be hot and like that's that.
  • [35:09] Keith: Fair enough.
  • [35:18] Mike: Um, it sounds hot to me. Yeah.
  • [35:20] Sage: A moment so we're getting there. He's getting really close I'm giving him head basically Zach is like holding his balls and I'm like going and the guy is pushing my head down so all 3 of us are like working on his cock together so he can come on my tits.
  • [35:35] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [35:37] Sage: And he starts coming in my mouth and I immediately like throw my head up and I almost vomit on him because I wasn't expecting it. It wasn't labor scared me. It was just that he came in my mouth. So I freaked out and he like had to finish the rest on his stomach.
  • [35:44] Keith: Right.
  • [35:55] Sage: I was like I'm so sorry I ruined your orgasm like I was so embarrassed after so.
  • [35:59] Keith: I Don't know if your reaction is the appropriate one. It was okay. It had been. It had been collectively negotiated that he was going to come on your tits and then he ah accidentally came in your mouth is that what.
  • [36:08] Sage: Yes. Yeah, like just because I guess there was a lot of buildup it like shot to the back of my throat and it I I did think I was going to vomit because something just hit back of my throat and I wasn't expecting it and.
  • [36:15] Mike: Ah.
  • [36:24] Keith: Yeah.
  • [36:29] Sage: Like he was very large but that that wasn't the issue extreme. Oh my goodness I wish he used to have a Reddit. We found him on Reddit and I wish that I could show you his Reddit because it was great or at least give it to you so that y'all could.
  • [36:33] Mike: You're saying his penis was large.
  • [36:47] Sage: Check it out individually. But yes, he is our.
  • [36:47] Mike: Was as long as a long as a piece of paper turns sideways like a regular None by eleven so therefore None can you imagine that.
  • [36:55] Sage: Um, his his penis is like None and on his running.
  • [37:00] Mike: Wow how does it make you feel Keith yeah, okay go on on his Reddit. Yeah.
  • [37:03] Keith: Ah, adequate.
  • [37:06] Sage: Know but yeah on his Reddit wait I'm going through but we we do message I do have photos. Obviously we can't link them. Unfortunately, he has an impressive penis. Oh.
  • [37:14] Keith: Yeah, we can't but but but you can show us I'm I'm sure Mike would enjoy.
  • [37:19] Mike: I'll feel free to Zoom zoom it in and so I can see one. Yeah.
  • [37:22] Sage: You wait. So it looks normal until he like grabs it and bends it over and then you can see how like that's semi harm. Yes.
  • [37:25] Mike: Okay, so this guy is sort of stroking his penis. Ah okay, it's thinking about sage sitting on my face is the text um that didn't look bigger than mine.
  • [37:34] Sage: Yes, um, also another one just no, but the thing is yeah so he thought that was attractive but it's it's in a group chat with me and Dutch so it wasn't just sent to me.
  • [37:50] Keith: Out the group chat dickpick I'd never even considered that as a thing.
  • [37:54] Sage: Yeah, and videos of Dutch fucking me and of the friend fucking me and of him masturbating to our videos and it's it's a whole collective I mean everyone puts their work in and it's it's a pretty fun experience. But oh that thick though.
  • [37:55] Mike: That's a good one.
  • [38:02] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [38:09] Mike: Um, interesting.
  • [38:14] Sage: Though girth of his cock on his Reddit. He had a dollar bill wrapped around it and it couldn't touch what about you? Okay, yes, that yes is also like she's a big guy so it his.
  • [38:19] Keith: Um, whoa how long is a dollar Bill.
  • [38:20] Mike: I got his dollar bill right here wait like this he was wrap it this way like long lengthwise all right? Well Keith to keep asking your questions I'm the check here.
  • [38:29] Keith: Ah, oh no.
  • [38:33] Sage: Penis looks proportional on his body when you're looking at a video of him masturbating or like a picture of his cough but it's He's a very large guy tall wise way wise.
  • [38:34] Keith: Right? right? Did you? You said you said you said None which is oddly specific did he offer this or did you ask? ah.
  • [38:38] Mike: What is the length of a dollar Bill.
  • [38:49] Sage: On his Reddit. So kiss.
  • [38:51] Mike: A dollar bill is six point one inches long by the way that's definitely girthier than me and I'm going to bother.
  • [38:53] Keith: Okay.
  • [38:56] Sage: Yeah, no I'm saying like he's guthy and he's big and he was on like a Reddit swingers or Threesome seeking something page. They have them for area so we have it for like our city swingers our city threesomes
  • [39:07] Keith: Ah.
  • [39:14] Keith: Um, right.
  • [39:16] Sage: Our City Mills like couple wolfs. Yes, so yeah, they do but you also have to have a hot girlfriend and be mildly attractive. Yeah.
  • [39:17] Mike: Um, is that how you found him So those things work ah a bit bit hard girlfriend.
  • [39:26] Keith: Right? They have ah they have a hot teenaged woman as bait which is probably pretty useful for these kinds of endeavors. Mike.
  • [39:32] Sage: Yeah, and I mean I just I enjoy having good sex. So I don't mind if he uses me as Bait you know.
  • [39:36] Mike: Yeah I have to work on that.
  • [39:41] Keith: Ah, right? yeah.
  • [39:43] Mike: So ah, Sage also has some ah wisdom to tell us about squirting. She did an experiment would you like to tell us about the experiment.
  • [39:52] Sage: Yeah, so this is actually going to be fun to listen to for the None time because I haven't talked about this besides like me and Mike's little talk yesterday, but y'all always talk about squirting and how like oh it's only pee and I was like i've.
  • [39:53] Keith: Ah, okay, I'm ready.
  • [39:59] Keith: Um, okay, okay. Over.
  • [40:11] Sage: I've squirted before like it. It doesn't feel like I'm peeing my pants or like it feels like it's even in a different part of the entire anatomy Basically but I was like okay I need to test this because I've squirted it doesn't smell like pee. It doesn't look like pee on a white sheet.
  • [40:19] Keith: Oh.
  • [40:30] Keith: K.
  • [40:31] Sage: So I was like okay I'll I'll masturbate for like a very long time until I score at least once and I'll do it over a toilet because then I'll have a gauge of like if you put pee in a cup. It looks different than a toilet so I was like okay, we'll get gauged there and see.
  • [40:46] Keith: Yep.
  • [40:50] Sage: And so I did and I was like okay, but maybe it's just diuded like it could be more so it went on for like an hour and a half and just of me like scrolling through Reddit like finding things and just going until I eventually.
  • [41:01] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [41:08] Sage: Also there's a difference between squirting and orgasming so I use different texting order. It was just like just squirting not like me finishing so but it it's very diluted he based. Yes, yeah, there was yellow tinge.
  • [41:10] Keith: Yes, there is.
  • [41:16] Mike: So you do but are you? Oh you found that it was p Okay m.
  • [41:25] Sage: And I was like okay maybe the muscles are activated so that's why it feels like it's in a different part of the anatomy but because you know the me getting turned on is the same as like you having an erection the blood flow so it could just be swollen in a way where it feels different. You know.
  • [41:41] Keith: Um.
  • [41:41] Mike: That sounds hot. But if if if you if you ah it does I mean what? what I'm supposed to say if if you ah if you masturbate long enough you squirt you you you something comes out.
  • [41:54] Sage: It's it's like different parts of the clit stimulating them either with like vibration or air or whatever I'm doing penetrate Yap penetration vaginally or anally like it.
  • [42:02] Keith: Pressure.
  • [42:10] Sage: There are different orgasms. So there are different outcomes when you try different thing. Yeah.
  • [42:14] Mike: So what is what is the thing you did on the toilet that you knew would ultimately result in the squirting experience. Was it a particular one of those moves.
  • [42:23] Sage: I mean it was just a vibrator going very fast on my clit because whenever you see porn. It's like the guy doing like the 3 finger like shake free and stopping it so it is like a high intensity sort of vibration highest setting I can go like.
  • [42:32] Keith: Yeah, yes.
  • [42:32] Mike: Yes.
  • [42:42] Sage: Going getting to feeling good right? Where I'm like oh maybe I could come and then just like ruining it by going as fast as I can That's yeah I mean it's okay, my orgasm per day is pretty high so it's okay I can waste one.
  • [42:48] Mike: I Really appreciate you ruining an orgas or multiple orgasms potentially for this.
  • [42:57] Keith: I Appreciate the scientific approach here. Also yeah.
  • [42:57] Mike: How how high how high is your orgasm for day.
  • [43:02] Sage: Yeah, um, honestly, all depends on the time of the month like my twenty eight day calendar my whatever the calendar is it. It changes so there was a point where it was like a week and a half on andor was like 7 8 times a day that we would be having sex.
  • [43:06] Keith: Interesting.
  • [43:19] Mike: Jesus.
  • [43:19] Keith: Were you orgasming in each of these encounters.
  • [43:20] Sage: Not just me coming like um and like I would say 6 to 7 yeah because I always not always but the goal is for me to orgasm None that it can be multiple times when multiple times to Dutch is one.
  • [43:26] Keith: Wow.
  • [43:29] Mike: Hello hello.
  • [43:31] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
  • [43:37] Mike: Okay, how long does each encounter last.
  • [43:38] Keith: Right.
  • [43:38] Sage: Orgasm because um, say for if it's just like getting me to come with a toy then it's like fifteen twenty minutes it can be like a quickie but it's an actual like penetrative sex and it will be like 45
  • [43:50] Mike: Okay.
  • [43:55] Mike: Okay, so if you were doing this for a couple weeks. You might be having sex for three four hours per day ballpark.
  • [43:58] Sage: And what.
  • [44:02] Sage: I was at home every day So we've we've been living together for a while and every once to while we go on like a just a sex vender basically where it it is no it is. It's fantastic. Well because I also have a sex.
  • [44:11] Mike: Sounds great.
  • [44:12] Keith: I miss being 20 right? Guess in this case 19
  • [44:21] Sage: Have very high sex drive despite being on antidepressants. So yeah I Yeah I always outnumber my male partner but he's able to catch up and it's pretty. It's pretty good I mean he keeps up very well and we've worked it into our schedule.
  • [44:25] Keith: Yeah, imagine without.
  • [44:35] Keith: Ah.
  • [44:40] Mike: Surprisingly the ah female listener audience to our podcast um tends to have a high so high sex drives which is great. It's actually a targeted thing the high sex drive women. Well I think it's like the opposite. It's like.
  • [44:44] Sage: Yeah.
  • [44:45] Keith: I think that that makes sense. Yeah, we need to figure out how to target ads to them Mike I don't know yeah I don't know if Google has that cohort.
  • [44:57] Mike: It's like we're collecting high sex drive women who are intrigued and interested in the podcast and then once we get enough of them. We can have some sort of orgy.
  • [45:04] Keith: Or we can do ad reads for the Hatachi Oribian or something.
  • [45:08] Mike: Must you to are? Yeah I'm just trying to have okay.
  • [45:13] Sage: I Mean y'all are a pretty comical duo So the app reads honestly the banter back and forth it would work in your favor.
  • [45:18] Keith: Yeah, we don't need our egos stroked at least I don't though you don't disagree. Um, so when I.
  • [45:25] Mike: I Do no I do a little bit.
  • [45:36] Mike: Um, she has a job do by the way and she goes to school.
  • [45:37] Keith: Is there I know no this notion of like needing to schedule it and like actually carefully think about like how to lay things out with like a sex drive of that volume.
  • [45:38] Sage: Yes I I work all the time. Yes.
  • [45:46] Mike: I mean listeners. What are you doing with your lives like Sage has a full full time job and you're doing your you're in school and she's having okay, she's having six orgasms a day I mean she's she's got to figure it out here.
  • [45:53] Keith: Um, okay, so just 3 classes of the summer just live in the dream. Yeah.
  • [45:55] Sage: I'm a yes, it's summer semester yeah taking 3 classes have a full one food I mean yeah but I mean yeah, we especially like I know you allll talk about um like the free use.
  • [46:06] Mike: Yeah.
  • [46:12] Keith: Yes.
  • [46:13] Sage: Subreddit or how it's weird that girls want to be fucked in their sleep but like that's something that we've incorporated to like get an extra fuck in the day. So like because I he works from home I Obviously I work in an office. So.
  • [46:22] Mike: Oh.
  • [46:30] Sage: I get up at 6 in the morning I leave the house by 7 I get home at 6 at night just because of the commute. So I'll if he's still sleeping when I'm getting up and I'm ready I'll go under the covers and get something started and you know it's a nice way to wake him up.
  • [46:34] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [46:47] Sage: And he does the same for me on weekends. So.
  • [46:49] Mike: But the the ah do you also incorporate the thing you said implyed that maybe at like midnight when you're really tired or you're asleep. He'll or say you're asleep you're asleep he will begin initiate sexual activity while you're asleep is that a.
  • [47:03] Sage: Yes, but usually we talk about it beforehand so it'll be well. It'll be on the stints where we are both like we just want to have sex all day. So.
  • [47:08] Mike: You usually.
  • [47:10] Keith: Usually.
  • [47:19] Sage: I'll be like hey I'm going to start getting ready for bed. He'll be playing games or looking at stocks just doing his own thing on the computer I'll get in bed read a book look at homework or videos or go to sleep and I'll be like you can you can wake me up like when you're coming to bed.
  • [47:37] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [47:38] Sage: Because we go to bed at different times. So it's just a way for us to fall asleep separately but fall asleep together. So now.
  • [47:43] Mike: And it doesn't annoy you when you wakes you up like you're a little grog I mean I think that if somebody woke me up a bunch of time you know like two weeks straight if if somebody randomly woke me up at different times the night there'd be 1 time at least when I just be like hey I'm I'm pretty tired here that never happens to you. You're always like ready for it.
  • [47:58] Sage: Yeah I mean the only I think honestly the only times I've said no to any sexual advances with him because we do talk to each other about our needs was after like we had a Stern talk and it was more of like a because after no sir after any argument. We do have sex we we just talked about this because it's like our way up. Yes I mean yeah, I'm sorry like you y'all can y'all can look at the videos like.
  • [48:17] Mike: This is this real is this real. This isn't like some sort of plant. This isn't like you're not, You're not a comedian calling it. Okay.
  • [48:20] Keith: Um, yeah, it's like after any fill in the blank. We have sex.
  • [48:35] Sage: There's yeah Don don't worry I'll I'll put them in the chat that we have all send youdling but ah no I'm just kidding I don't sell myself yet. Um, but yeah, we a lot of sex and it we talk about how much we want and.
  • [48:35] Mike: Yeah, yeah, I'll check the videos out later. Okay.
  • [48:42] Keith: Drape.
  • [48:51] Mike: Um, or are you considering doing like camming or only fans or something.
  • [48:52] Sage: We'll do that. The thing is I am just because I'm a college student and I do enjoy sex I do feel confident with my body and I wouldn't mind like if someone wants to buy a video of me. Like looking in a mirror like that's fine, but morally I don't think I can right now just because of how I was raised and the community I'm in So if there is no issue.
  • [49:19] Mike: Um, that's interesting so you don't want you don't want your your yeah you don't want your videos out there. Interesting.
  • [49:20] Keith: Yeah.
  • [49:27] Sage: Yeah, if there was no issue with that I would have no problem I I like sharing what I do with the world because it's fun and obviously I enjoy consuming porn I create some but it just stays between my text messages between me and my boyfriend so you know.
  • [49:44] Mike: It's well I mean it's a very ah well, it's a relatively time-bounded activity in your life. Also I mean it's not you know so ah, meaning after some age like it's because you're not can make as much money. So it's yeah, that's an interesting consideration.
  • [49:53] Sage: Yeah, so I'm at my peak right now. But I mean no, but also you never know so I'm pretty knowledgeable I'd say.
  • [50:00] Mike: You think so.
  • [50:05] Keith: Yeah I think I think the female attractiveness peak is supposedly 22 or 23 coding to various data sets. So but it and then then it tapers it takes like 10 years to like materially taper down. It's a little bit like.
  • [50:12] Sage: Watching.
  • [50:16] Mike: Um, so you're not there yet.
  • [50:24] Keith: Fertility actually it's probably exactly like fertility. Um, did you guys see the article in The New York Times about amaranth she's a Twitch streamer and only fans model she made I had the numbers here. She makes something like $100000 a month on Twitch but she makes like a million dollars a month on only fans.
  • [50:25] Sage: Um, yes, so.
  • [50:44] Keith: And she made None on only fans in thirty six months she yeah and she she told them and then only fans it was in it was in the New York Times so I'm guessing they did some reporting there.
  • [50:48] Mike: How do they know that she likes sent. Yeah.
  • [50:57] Mike: Um, so she's has some I've never seen this person I is she very attractive, very interesting.
  • [51:03] Keith: Um, she's chesie. She's ah I think she basically uses Twitch as a marketing channel to drive people to word for only fans and she's entertaining on um, on Twitch but the the only reason I bring this up is I mean that is a lot of money I mean that's like.
  • [51:06] Mike: Thanks earth.
  • [51:22] Keith: Lebron James money. Um, it's at least the same order of magnitude as the amount of money Lebron James makes playing basketball in a year and she's sort of at that I mean at the pinnacle of the profession much as Lebron is. But yeah I wonder. I don't know like what the skills required are to get and only fans following. It's not just being attractive. You need to be precocious on Reddit or Twitch or or someplace to to drive people to your to your content. Um, but yeah I mean. I think I would I if there was a desire for content from a 41 year old man I I would I would love to do that. But there just isn't but yeah I think I think would be interesting to try. Um, of course.
  • [52:09] Mike: You're saying you'd like to try doing only fans.
  • [52:12] Keith: Yeah I think would be fascinating to try. The problem is as you know like a ah girl in her late teens early 20 s you have this downside risk of getting found um and you know it's not just by your parents or your friends and family. It's you know coworkers or.
  • [52:20] Mike: Her.
  • [52:29] Keith: You know, somebody on the street. The article in the times is actually not really about her revenue is about her security concerns and how people will look at like they'll hear like a siren go by her her house and they'll sort of look at the sound signature to find out where she may be. And she gets these stakers out.. That's what the article was mainly about. But anyway so that's also a concern I'm not yeah.
  • [52:52] Sage: I Mean that's my biggest fear because the only reason I would put myself out there like that was to if I needed help paying tuition Rent Bills I wouldn't just do it to like make a shit ton of money in because I had one person.
  • [53:04] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [53:05] Mike: I would.
  • [53:11] Sage: We sent them a video over snapchat and they were they seemed like a real person nice. We were going to meet them the next day they blocked us and then a week later I had a bunch of spam Instagram accounts sending me my own videos and it was.
  • [53:25] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
  • [53:25] Mike: Wow.
  • [53:28] Sage: Really scary because obviously I didn't know who it was who they were sending it to. We're pretty sure it's the guy we matched with on that specific gap. But like that's that is scary. So yeah.
  • [53:30] Keith: Um, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the people can extort you to or blackmail you and it's I mean and and almost definitionally if you're successful if you make enough money then that's because you have a None people following you and if you have a zillion that. Some of them are going to be crazies and so I don't know what the right things to do to like defend yourself in that kind of circumstance but it might just be like being a famous actor a famous athlete like it's impossible to have privacy after that like you just basically have to live with like weird death threats and like people showing up to your door every once in a while.
  • [54:09] Sage: Yeah.
  • [54:11] Keith: And so you have to decide if that's worth you know and most people don't make $33000000 they make some tiny fraction of that and they still have the downside. So yeah I don't know I don't know.
  • [54:22] Sage: Yeah I mean that's why I'm in school I'm going to get a safe job and if anything bad happens and I can always fall back on my body I guess you know yes, very.
  • [54:30] Keith: Right? Yeah, nice to have that in your back pocket. Well Mike you have any other any other questions here to interrogate sage with.
  • [54:44] Mike: I mean I think I could go on for a really long time but I don't know yeah and we're um, we were like close to an hour here actually? um.
  • [54:51] Keith: Yeah, yeah, let's let's wrap it here and then we'll we'll have her back to ah terrorize her some more ah all right? I'm I'm going to read us out here. So yeah, that feels like a good place to end. Thank you say for joining us I Hope we didn't traumatize you.
  • [55:03] Sage: Just my partner. Yeah.
  • [55:09] Sage: Um, no this is it feels good to talk to someone it does because I just talk to the person I do it with So yeah.
  • [55:10] Keith: Too too much.
  • [55:14] Keith: Yeah, yeah, great. Thanks also to Mike and thanks to you our listeners for giving us the benefit of the considerable doubt here. We hope to have you back next time for more your mileage may vary.