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Episode 8: Ex-partners' sex lives, what to do after the man is "done", finishing together, passing the load around, labia detritus.

Team YMMV | 6-7-2018 | 1:14:22

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On this episode of YMMV, the fellas talk about how much they want to know about ex's sex lives, how to avoid awkward post-orgasm disappointment, "finishing" simultaneously, sticky labia, and more.

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  • [0:29] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. Your mileage may vary is a show that takes an overly candid and hopefully entertaining look at matters related to sex. Way get much of our material from the sex, I brought it, but we also frequently discuss our own experiences. Often, to my great regret, our listeners is experiences,
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  • [0:53] Keith: I am Keith by the hostess White and I apologize in advance for anything offensively makes a full disclosure patient behind this part of the
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  • [1:24] Mike: So we have our usual collection of sex subreddit post to litigate. But before we go there, Mike, I have some banter. Are you ready?
  • [1:26] Keith: Yeah, I'm always ready. Ready for some banter.
  • [1:29] Mike: Okay. So, um,
  • [1:38] Mike: I bumped into an ex girlfriend this weekend in Las Vegas, and we had dinner. Um, and I promised him I wouldn't talk about her,
  • [1:41] Mike: but, uh, it's sort of
  • [1:45] Mike: occurred to me like, how would you feel if
  • [1:53] Mike: on ex of yours was doing, like, some sort of like sex podcast? Would you be intrigued? Like, would you want to listen to it Or like, what? Would your emotions?
  • [2:00] Keith: Yeah. I mean, it's the exact opposite situation, probably of the emotions you'd expect because it would be a woman doing it, and I would be
  • [2:07] Keith: okay. I be intrigued. But I would be concerned because I'd be worried that it would be kind of boring,
  • [2:14] Keith: because maybe they wouldn't, uh, really dig into the topics far enough for Ah, man's taste. What do you think?
  • [2:17] Mike: Ah,
  • [2:49] Mike: I'm not sure. I think I would. I think I would not What you would depend on, like, sort of the category of acts like that. There are some who I definitely don't want to know about their other sexual exploits. Or at least I'm not sure my ego could could handle hearing about it on. Then. There are others that I don't care at all and that we are not. Not that I don't care. There are others that I would actually the interest like. I don't have feelings about them in such a way that I would care or feel jealous. So that one I like might be, like, sort of interested in.
  • [2:57] Keith: You're taking a different angle on this, and I expect it. So basically, I was thinking purely from the standpoint of, like, objectively what they would discuss your thinking.
  • [3:00] Keith: Are they gonna discuss me? That's what. That's where this is headed for you, right?
  • [3:11] Mike: Yeah, probably. Yeah, I get it. That's actually not what I was thinking. I was thinking more about, like, the jealousy aspect, but, uh, yeah, I mean, I probably wouldn't like
  • [3:14] Mike: Well, I mean, there's really only good things to report, but what's the
  • [3:22] Keith: jealousy aspect? So it would be that they're going to say, There's some of that You've mentioned this before. They're going to say there's some other guy and it was fantastic with him.
  • [3:37] Keith: Yeah, sure, Yeah. I mean, we see this is a thing that I feel comes up again and again And let me just let me just quickly state my opinion on this, okay? People can disagree, but this is my opinion. My opinion is that a guy could be bad.
  • [3:39] Keith: A guy could be mediocre.
  • [3:50] Keith: And then there's this ceiling that you get to is the guy we're like. You're good at it. It works. You're you're good at it, but there's no above that. Like you could be more attractive. You could be, you condone,
  • [3:58] Keith: be taller. I mean, they're they're physical attributes that can change. But in terms of the actual actions, you take the things that are changeable about what you do.
  • [4:01] Keith: I guess you could have like, a bigger, smaller Penis. That's true.
  • [4:18] Keith: But in terms of like how you perform in bed, I think that for men, there's a ceiling and like if you were raping a man on a scale of 1 to 10 I think that ceiling is around like six or seven. I guess it would ultimately be 10 like you would scale it out. But the point here only would it a different way. I think that's something like
  • [4:23] Keith: 50% of men. It probably goes up with age, have reached that cap
  • [4:33] Keith: and the just There's just no, there's no way you can get better than that. And so I just don't think that's like a reasonable concern if you like her, a guy who's like trying at all
  • [5:00] Mike: in that department. So I think you're generally right there. But being able to intellectualize that is a point, And being able to not and not feeling any emotion when you hear about uh, a former partner's successful sexual exploits with other partners is are two different matters like you're right, like it probably doesn't matter that much, but, uh, yeah, I'm not sure that that that you could, like,
  • [5:02] Mike: force your brain toe like realize that in the moment
  • [5:16] Keith: you see, I don't think that I have the feeling you're describing. So what? What is the feeling that you're, like, afraid of here. Your that your feet. The feeling you're afraid of, is Ah, yeah. What is it? Jealousy. Jealousy is a thing, man.
  • [5:20] Keith: Ah, but what's what's Thea
  • [5:24] Keith: jealousy? Okay, but jealousy Of what? That he's better, right?
  • [5:26] Keith: No, look, I don't
  • [5:32] Mike: know. I guess maybe more. Just it's just something that isn't me.
  • [5:34] Keith: Okay,
  • [5:51] Keith: but in your head that this is really hard for me to understand coming from you. Because, for instance, you've taken the position in the past that it really didn't bother you How many different partners a woman had had before you because you figure, like, once, like a week or two has gone by. That's kind of almost like it doesn't exist. So,
  • [5:57] Keith: you know, So why? I mean, while you why are you so concerned about what happens after you?
  • [6:05] Mike: It's not that I'm so concerned. It's that I'm not sure that I would find it pain free tow. Listen to them. Discuss it.
  • [6:10] Keith: What? Okay. And you, would you be jealous? And you would think to yourself I wish that was me.
  • [6:12] Mike: Wouldn't be like a
  • [6:15] Mike: like there's a strength of emotion here, but
  • [6:16] Mike: yeah, like
  • [6:33] Mike: we talked about this before. They get jealous isn't the right word because jealous has such a negative connotation to it. It would be like some envy or some wistfulness or some Jell O or some mild jealousy whereby, like listening to, uh, you know, when X talk about other sexual partners wouldn't feel
  • [6:34] Mike: great.
  • [6:35] Mike: I think that's normal.
  • [6:37] Keith: I think it would only make
  • [6:40] Mike: sense. In fact, uh,
  • [6:51] Mike: like, you know, look, you've been married for a long time. I've never been married like I'm in my late thirties now. And when I meet new women, like occasionally Ah,
  • [6:53] Mike: you know,
  • [7:03] Mike: it's hard to like have, like, a lot of conversations about, like, my life without, like, talking about my exes and almost all of them, like, just don't want to hear anything about it. Um,
  • [7:08] Mike: but maybe you think that, like for women like the experience is different.
  • [7:41] Keith: Well, I mean, maybe they don't want to feel like they're being compared to your ex, right? But But also there's an element there of like it's the It's the prospective relationship, right? So they want you to be in. They want you to be with them, not with the people in the past, which sort of makes sense to you, right? Like you don't wanna be with somebody who's just, like, constantly harkening back toe the past would be like, if you're talking to some guy at a bar and all he talks about is like what he did in high school. You're just like, Look, I don't want I don't want to talk to you anymore, But, uh uh, this is the opposite of that, right? This is somebody where it's after.
  • [7:52] Keith: And so it's like, Yeah, I think that the way I would intellectualize I would listen to it and I would be like I probably would've I could imagine myself comparing what she said to the experiences I had with her, And I would imagine
  • [8:04] Keith: in some cases it wouldn't align, So I'd be like, That's weird. That either means that the experience that I had with her was different or more likely, it means that she and I were not on the same same wavelength about what was happening.
  • [8:22] Keith: Yeah, be right. So I would think all those things. But I don't think I would ever think to myself. Oh, some other guy. I'm jealous. You know there's this thing because I would just already like, I mean, look, part of the human condition for a man is that as soon as you break up, like when you break up with a woman, when you stop seeing a woman
  • [8:52] Keith: something like 5 to 10 minutes after that she is immediately able to get another partner to have sex with her, right? So I guess I'm in my mind. I just think, Well, that might as well be what's happening. Like once a person has that ability now, a man that's not exactly right, unless he's hyper attractive, are willing to hire a prostitute or something like he can't do that. But a woman like once she's unattached like I mean, she could just immediately get sexual partners. So I just sort of s o I just baking the cake. The fact that, like, Well, I mean,
  • [8:57] Keith: yeah, once her commitment to you is gone like, yes, it's gone.
  • [9:08] Mike: I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying here, but like being able to intellectualize what's going on and then being able to be like completely stone face when listening to a former partner's sexual exploits are like two different matters.
  • [9:27] Keith: Yeah. The only situation rife that would make sense to me is if it's somebody that, like, dumped me and, like, I was really upset about it. Still, then event, of course. Yeah. Then it would make sense. But like, minister comes a point where that's that's not the case anymore. And so I don't think I would care if it was. It was a recent wound of some kind. Well, sure, that might. That might bother your, uh, because
  • [9:42] Mike: I think it's just sort of a spectrum like, I think you probably are more stoic than the in general about these kinds of things, but yeah, I mean, so for me, like some partners, I wouldn't care at all. And it might actually be, like, particularly intriguing andan others. I think I would care more. About
  • [9:49] Keith: what if you dumped her. What if you like, aggressively dump turned and really like her anymore? You'd still be a wasteful and jealous.
  • [9:51] Mike: I'm not sure. I mean, the specifics matter.
  • [9:53] Keith: Yeah. Okay. All right.
  • [9:54] Keith: Um,
  • [9:55] Mike: yeah. All right. So
  • [9:59] Keith: wait, You told this person? Yes.
  • [10:02] Keith: Did you tell her the kind of podcast that you were engaged in?
  • [10:05] Mike: She
  • [10:17] Mike: So, uh, I see her every so often. Um and I knew she was really into podcasts. And so we talked about podcast from time to time, and she knows about the other one. I d'oh. And,
  • [10:25] Mike: uh, we had mentioned, like, a few weeks ago, where a few months ago that I was doing this other one, but I didn't really want to tell her about it,
  • [10:30] Mike: but she somehow found it on iTunes or something.
  • [10:37] Mike: And so she knew about it, but she had not. She has not as far as I know yet. Listen to it because
  • [10:45] Mike: she sort of expressed the same sort of things I just expressed, which is like, Yeah, she's not really sure she wants to listen to, like, an ex boyfriend. Sex podcast.
  • [10:48] Keith: Well, but I could take that two ways, right? That could either be
  • [10:59] Keith: I'm jealous. All right? I have a feeling that happens. War. It's just like, Look, I don't I don't want to hear you talk about me, which we've already agreed isn't gonna happen, but right. Yeah,
  • [11:03] Keith: yeah. It could be one of those two. You're not sure which or maybe a some sort of combination of both.
  • [11:06] Mike: That's probably that's probably about right. Yeah.
  • [11:07] Keith: All right.
  • [11:19] Keith: Yeah. I don't know what Maybe that's Ah, I guess I could understand it. Be interesting to know, uh, how people would feel about that. I don't Yeah. I don't see how I would carry. In fact, I think I would be intrigued. And your damn sure I would definitely Listen,
  • [11:20] Keith: of course.
  • [11:38] Mike: Well, I mean, I would definitely listen like, let's say it was like my most recent, most passionate relationship I've ever been in. And I find out they do a sex podcast that it's just talking about me. Like, even though I know that I would, like, drive me like, insane toe listen to, I would still have to do it, like, just for science.
  • [11:47] Keith: Wow, that's interesting. So, uh, if there's any exes of Keith listening on this podcast like, there you go. If you want to sort of needle him, he should just to start doing that,
  • [11:49] Mike: something that was gonna be an explosion.
  • [11:50] Keith: That's like
  • [11:59] Keith: there was, like, a Seinfeld episode where somebody was dating him. She's like a committee, I think, was that. And then she broke up in any way. She started doing stand up comedy about like him.
  • [12:00] Keith: Yeah,
  • [12:06] Mike: it must be like the ah later season episode. Because I had, you know, every watching cycles. And I meant season seven I have not seen that way.
  • [12:09] Keith: Yeah, it might be later. Anyone
  • [12:17] Mike: All right, Let's get Thio. Let's dig into the meat here. So, uh, let's see here. Our first topic, um,
  • [12:27] Mike: is from a man, and he doesn't specify his age, but the subject is, ladies, when we come, do you feel as if the act of sex is over, or do you ever just want to continue?
  • [12:57] Mike: Uh, any continues as a guy, we normally have to wait anywhere from two minutes to a few hours or some a night to recover. When we bust, we know sex is done. What? I was always curious because women don't ejaculated, but there's no end for them to There's no end for them except for the, uh, psychological reason that the guy has come and the longer bearable to continue What goes through your mind after we come? Is that mission accomplished or let's go for round two. I'm not done. The guy's ready to recharge for round two, right? away. Would you be down or is the mood killed?
  • [12:57] Mike: Yeah.
  • [13:06] Keith: I mean, it's of course, it's gonna be different for the differ different people. Um, I don't know if I love, uh, the word bust
  • [13:16] Keith: when we bust When I when I bust my nut. I think if you say that to a woman, you're gonna decrease the life span of your relationship and you may not get to have sex with her again, like
  • [13:18] Mike: the most romantic
  • [13:19] Mike: expression in
  • [13:24] Keith: the world, right? I mean, I think like the you know,
  • [13:28] Keith: the key thing here is is the immediate
  • [13:33] Keith: disinterest that the guy suddenly has three incredible hulk effect. That happened,
  • [13:58] Mike: right? I mean, like, of course, I wondered this as well. Like, you know, you're you're going at 100 miles an hour and then you have a very romantic orgasm, and then you're some way at zero miles per hour, and it might be two minutes or a few hours or night or whatever, but there's like, some period of Yeah. I mean, it's immediately obvious that Penis and vagina sex is is
  • [14:03] Mike: not still on the menu. Now, look, I think some people get
  • [14:20] Mike: to a rough approximation that that's what's going on. And so, yeah, like, what is the experience for women in that moments? Like, I think there's something about having the man orgasm that's like, deeply satisfying for them, and so that's that's part of it. But like another part of it might just be like, Uh,
  • [14:23] Mike: yeah, I'm feeling sort of, uh,
  • [14:24] Mike: unfinished here.
  • [14:27] Keith: I think that, like, I think it's probably like a
  • [14:37] Keith: a Jackson Pollock painting of different responses that the that the woman has because I think probably a significant amount of the time. It's like, Oh, I'm I'm glad that's over
  • [14:38] Keith: like she wasn't that
  • [14:43] Mike: into it. You know, I'm sure that's the case, but yeah, for sure, for sure this
  • [14:45] Mike: guy did suffer
  • [14:48] Keith: like Oh, yeah, scratch that one off my list for the day.
  • [14:49] Keith: Um,
  • [14:57] Keith: then there's there's going to be the the All important, which you read about a lot on the sex Subreddit were like The woman is basically like
  • [15:00] Keith: the guys left her hanging basically,
  • [15:02] Keith: and so
  • [15:05] Mike: there's some fertile ground there. Should we dive into that?
  • [15:08] Keith: Sure. Well, I mean wait fertile ground. Hey,
  • [15:28] Mike: let's let's say, uh, you're with a You know a partner, and you have It's a new partner. Okay, So, like, you're really interested in satisfying them. But you have. You have come too early, and you know that they are unsatisfied. Oh, and in this case, you were having sex without economy. You have come inside them suits. Your semen is inside the vagina.
  • [15:29] Mike: Um
  • [15:31] Mike: and so what
  • [15:35] Keith: kind of scoundrel are you that with a new partner here doing that? Let's
  • [15:43] Mike: say it's, you know, it's say, both just got drug tested. You did everything like, responsibly. They're on, you know, did two different forms of birth control.
  • [15:46] Keith: You could say that the guys had a vasectomy. I think that solves it
  • [15:52] Mike: of there. You? Yeah. And And you've also both had STD tests. Okay,
  • [16:00] Mike: Okay. But, uh, yeah, so, like, what's on the menu now for continuing her satisfaction?
  • [16:03] Keith: Well, I mean, I think from most guys
  • [16:10] Keith: there's nothing on the menu like you don't really want to continue. Uh, and I think like, but
  • [16:25] Mike: I was trying to Yeah, that is that is not like that is not an available option here. Because you really care. This is new. And you know that if you don't do something else to to redeem yourself, that she's gonna go on, tell her friends.
  • [16:29] Keith: Yeah. I mean, you have to back up here a little bit, because there's this thing that goes on
  • [16:36] Keith: for a guy like Okay, just Just so we understand before before we get to the, uh, situation you described where
  • [16:41] Keith: where it becomes less attractive for the man to continue operations
  • [16:47] Keith: there is, like, this sort of, like, strategic thing. We're like the guys sort of trying to
  • [16:58] Keith: He knows that's gonna happen, right? So he's trying to sort of get is much done before that happens as possible. So, like as a guy you're trying to sort of gauge like Well, what is what is she won't have happened
  • [17:00] Mike: here. Have I done enough
  • [17:02] Keith: right in trying
  • [17:08] Keith: to figure out if, like, if she's gonna be happy with with with what's happening, And that actually could be a tricky thing to understand,
  • [17:19] Keith: particularly if the partner is not communicative enough because you're not sure like Okay, does she? You know, does she? Is she gonna orgasm here or not? Like which? What's the right
  • [17:22] Keith: point in time for me to finish up like
  • [17:32] Mike: without drag. Race starts, you know, it goes like the yellow lights, and then it starts red. And then there's the yellow lights in the bakery night, like you don't get like a meter to know. Like when you've you've fulfilled your obligation.
  • [17:37] Keith: That's right. And I think you can actually wind up in a little bit of a Mexican standoff where you, if needed, was a
  • [17:40] Mike: Mexican standoff. Oh, everyone's pointing guns at each other,
  • [18:02] Keith: right? It's like that were like it just goes on and on and on. I mean, this is like leaving three people with the premature ejaculation in the dust. The other side of the coin here were where you have guys that just keep on going on and on and they in. The problem is, the guy is thinking, Okay, I'm gonna continue until she's satisfied. And she's thinking like, Oh, my God, this is taking forever.
  • [18:07] Mike: Probably any more and more sort of disengaged and turned off like you
  • [18:13] Mike: is. She can feel his his eagerness to satisfy, but that in itself is a you know, an attractive or something,
  • [18:26] Keith: right? And so I mean the right thing to do. There is sort of communicate. So, like everybody knows what's going on. But it could be tricky because, of course, like I think, I think that women often aren't sure like whether they're gonna get there or not.
  • [18:35] Keith: Depends on Alec. Familiar are with your body. And so it's like, Yeah, you might be like I actually don't know what's going on. That's That's the thing where I'm not totally sure how that works, but it seems like
  • [18:56] Keith: that's likely to be the case. But anyway, the thing I do know is that like, yeah, I mean, when a guy is doing the famous thinking about baseball so that he doesn't not too soon. Yeah, that could be like What's going on is he's like trying to, like, make the experience last long enough. They're gonna also be the guy who's just knows that if you make to take a little longer, feels better when he nuts. Um,
  • [18:59] Keith: so there could be a little bit of ah ah,
  • [19:17] Keith: a selfish, selfish reason for that. But to your point about what do you do like once once the deed is done and I think for the premature ejaculation guy, this is like a really relevant question like what to do. And it's like it's pretty tricky because at that moment, even if the guy's still aroused, there's still some sort of, like, clean up that has to happen, right?
  • [19:18] Keith: Yeah,
  • [19:19] Keith: s Oh, yeah.
  • [19:22] Mike: There are various options for that.
  • [19:25] Mike: That's what I really want to get into here.
  • [19:36] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I read on, I've read a lot of this on the sex and read it, and there are women who are just like, Yeah, I just let it all kind of drain out into my mattress.
  • [19:38] Keith: And I'm just like, That's not
  • [19:40] Keith: I don't know. Have you encountered a woman like that?
  • [19:46] Mike: I have. But you have general procedure is they go to the restroom?
  • [20:02] Keith: Yeah. And what's interesting about that is that and women don't realize this, but this is actually one of the so most of the reason why men don't like condoms is because it changes the sensation. But there is the other very small but non zero wedge of the pie chart, which is
  • [20:09] Keith: switching from condom used to no condom use, actually switches. Who has to go to the bathroom after you're done right?
  • [20:25] Keith: And so, like That's a meaningful, meaningful change. Their that Ah, that a guy could derive from value out of. Um, so So I'm right about that, right? Like you do too. I guess a guy could just take the condom often, Like stick it to the wall or something. Yeah,
  • [20:31] Keith: I was gonna say, stick it on his nightstand, and then I decided to go amp up the grossness.
  • [20:32] Keith: Yeah,
  • [20:37] Keith: but me, I guess you could have a trash can do? I don't know. Do you have a condom? Trashcan
  • [20:40] Mike: receptacle next to my bedside table. Where
  • [20:42] Keith: do you contact them? And then how often
  • [20:47] Mike: would you train change that trash bag? Because condoms don't take up that much, William, but they
  • [21:01] Keith: you'd have to change a lot. Because if you're bringing a new date home and she sees a trash bag with 37 condoms e Well, what would you say? Actually, if you had a date come home and you screwed up in your condom trash back at, like, 12 condoms used condoms. And what would you say to
  • [21:03] Mike: her?
  • [21:15] Mike: Um I mean, this is a little bit of a esoteric hypothetical, but, I mean, there's really no good answer. me. You're just like, well, you know Hey, you know, you sort of sheepishly said, you know, about a virgin. I think
  • [21:19] Keith: the only right thing to say is that you like masturbating into a condom.
  • [21:23] Mike: Oh, eyes there
  • [21:30] Mike: when like having sex with a person for the first time with a condom. You when you get when you're not opening a new box,
  • [21:30] Mike: that's an
  • [21:32] Keith: interesting question. I don't know
  • [21:34] Keith: what's what's the thought process there.
  • [21:42] Mike: I mean, you should always be opening in the box with your partner pick girls. The partner is gonna like, you know, at least there'll be some non zero thought in their mind like, Oh, well,
  • [21:49] Keith: we'll wait. So so is this like, Is this like a standard thing that you have to have, like boxes of condoms ready? It's not. I have a question
  • [21:54] Mike: re sealer that makes you opened boxes.
  • [21:57] Keith: She's like, Wow, I didn't know that it made boxes.
  • [22:01] Keith: You know, they make boxes this big that just contained one condom. Yeah, this
  • [22:03] Mike: 20 pack only has two left in it for some reason. What a rip up
  • [22:07] Keith: you're like, Yeah, Sometimes they do that
  • [22:10] Keith: XJ Eriks,
  • [22:19] Keith: but well, I mean, you could imagine, actually Connors being sold in such a way that this wasn't an issue. I've actually never considers this a re Elish. You that you you've in your life worried about?
  • [22:31] Mike: No, my condoms. This is happening. Yeah. Okay. My condoms are in a drawer, and so they can't really see what's going on there.
  • [22:35] Keith: Well, OK, so you get you get out of bed, you go over to where the drawer is,
  • [22:38] Mike: my drawers that the drawer is actually in a different room of my house,
  • [22:43] Keith: so Okay, wait. This is actually kind of interesting. Okay, so So the woman is
  • [22:52] Keith: naked or probably naked in your bed. You're in bed with her, and then you get up here. You go to another room? Yeah.
  • [22:54] Keith: Yeah. Then what happens? She's there, and she's just lying. You
  • [22:59] Mike: were rummaging around in the drawer. Should rummaging. Okay, She's
  • [23:01] Mike: waiting eagerly,
  • [23:02] Mike: right?
  • [23:09] Mike: And you know, this happens fast. Like my thea. The room is very close. It's the It's the It's the adjacent room.
  • [23:14] Keith: Yeah, I still I just like the fact that it's in another room that seems unnecessary. It could be in, like, your bedside table or something
  • [23:17] Mike: I don't. My bedside table does not have a drawer, so
  • [23:21] Keith: you could have one with the drawer, but sure, sure, I got it. Good.
  • [23:30] Keith: Ah, has I? I I wonder where you would if you had, like, vibrators and other toys where you would keep those. But I don't think you d'oh. Typically,
  • [23:42] Keith: maybe your cock ring or whatever. Um okay, so you go to the other room, and this is the thing I want to get at. Where are you when you actually put the condom on your dick, right?
  • [23:48] Keith: Uh, thank to you. Do you put it on over bythe box back? Flipped it on?
  • [23:58] Mike: Yeah, I think so. Really? Usually, you know what? You bring this up in, like, you know, we joke a little bit, but yeah, like I do. You fancy me and her.
  • [24:07] Mike: Alexis, stop. Yeah. When I said something that sounded like Alexa anyway, huh? Where were we? Yes, I will go to the other room. I will, uh,
  • [24:15] Mike: get a condom. I will start opening it there and put the condom wrapper in the garbage can in. Uh, it's in my kitchen. Turns out
  • [24:17] Keith: you have 1/3 room. Where the rapper goes
  • [24:20] Mike: into the kitchen is the room that my condoms. Aaron,
  • [24:22] Keith: your condoms are in the kitchen. Of course.
  • [24:25] Mike: The kitchen is adjacent.
  • [24:30] Keith: No, I think it's normal to keep good. That's because you sometimes put them on cucumbers,
  • [24:30] Keith: right?
  • [24:33] Mike: Yeah, never be too safe.
  • [24:35] Mike: And then I guess
  • [24:37] Mike: I would
  • [25:04] Mike: I guess I would put it on. But once I'd return to the bedroom where I would start putting it on and walk at the same time. Um well, I think there's something comforting about seeing the person put the actually, like, put the condom on. Uh uh, that would make I don't know. I guess I would like if I were gay and, like, I were having sex with a dude, I guess I would like to see him and actually put it on. There would be something that can that makes that seem safer to May,
  • [25:11] Keith: right? You're saying you think that for the woman, it's It s so when you So she's typically watching you walk back in then,
  • [25:14] Mike: right? Probably. I don't know what she's doing. Yes,
  • [25:50] Keith: You don't pay it because you're busy with the wrapper in the okay. I sort of liked. So one of things I liked about and I was actually imagining about your process here is that if you have the condom in a different room, then you don't have to go through the process of putting it on in front of her. Which could be sort of lame, right? Yeah. You fumble around yet fiddly and stuff like that. And so I was thinking, Oh, this is kind of clever. Like Keith has found a way to make that process invisible to the woman. So you leave the room. It's like it's like it's like Clark Kent turning in a Superman, right? You go into the booth and you come out with your condom on, right? But in fact, you don't do that because you feel like she wants to see you switch into the
  • [26:03] Mike: awkward part's that removing it from the rapper like making sure that you figured out which way it on roles that that's important, fellas, Uh, like all of that has has been taken care of before I return to the bedroom.
  • [26:06] Keith: Well, which way do you like it to be enrolled? Deal?
  • [26:14] Keith: Do you like the loop on the inside or the outside. You could make an argument. I think it argument glued to be on the inside.
  • [26:15] Keith: Which one? She is
  • [26:19] Mike: here, or people sue the podcast.
  • [26:23] Mike: Or like, some sort of unintended pregnancy.
  • [26:25] Keith: We're definitely on the outside
  • [26:30] Mike: outside. Yes, right. There's obviously the kind of rolls That's the way it's meant to
  • [26:35] Keith: write, right? But that deprives the man of that sweet lubricant.
  • [26:40] Keith: Um, okay, so, uh, well, why were we talking about? We're not
  • [26:45] Mike: original. Original topic here was, uh,
  • [26:51] Mike: you've just finished inside somebody without a condom, and she's looking particularly unsatisfied.
  • [26:53] Keith: Uh,
  • [26:55] Keith: okay, that's fine.
  • [27:12] Keith: There was the box of condoms, and it was this question of like, how does she know if it's a new box which actually is a valid point, right? You're trying to avoid your new conquest, determining that you make a lot of conquests, and what you do is you put them sort of in a drawer that's called kind of all mixed up. You don't have to fool with that right
  • [27:17] Mike: now. Is there an analogy for women here? I guess if they're on birth control,
  • [27:21] Keith: Yeah, but I mean, a woman could be on birth control for a lot of reasons, right?
  • [27:33] Keith: Yeah, but, you know, it could be like managing their their periods manager more loans. Yeah. So I think, like, I mean, I think it's, like, fairly normal for women to be on birth control. Kind of all the time. Regardless,
  • [27:35] Mike: it be interesting to know, like, uh
  • [27:39] Mike: what number of, like, virgin 25 year olds on birth control.
  • [27:43] Keith: Well, I'm sure that data is out there. I bet it's a lot. I mean, maybe,
  • [27:45] Mike: actually, d'oh,
  • [27:52] Mike: maybe there isn't an analogy. It's like some sort of, like, weird thing. We're like, Oh, this person, sort of, uh, frequent sex ever.
  • [27:55] Keith: I'm actually always surprised.
  • [28:12] Keith: Thing is something from the sex subreddit there. You see very frequently, like, really, really frequently to a level that I'm really surprised by women and men who say, Oh, I'm on the woman's on the pill or a typically the pill maybe like an i u d or something.
  • [28:13] Keith: Uh,
  • [28:20] Keith: and but we're also using condoms because we want to be ultra sure. And I think to myself like I don't
  • [28:32] Keith: I think I think the pills pretty effective, like I mean, I and they'll make a big deal about like? No, we're doing both because you really got to do both. Like, is this the thing that, like you encounter?
  • [28:34] Mike: Um,
  • [28:36] Mike: no, that is not a thing I encounter.
  • [28:37] Keith: Yeah, maybe it's like
  • [28:41] Mike: I've never Okay, let me think about that. Yeah, I have never
  • [28:45] Mike: been with something I've been with people who insist I use condoms.
  • [28:46] Mike: Ah,
  • [28:52] Keith: well, there's reasons. I mean, you want If you're not sure about SD eyes if you're not on birthday.
  • [28:55] Mike: Importantly, I am not complaining about it. I'm just just mentioning it.
  • [28:57] Keith: I've been complaining about
  • [29:01] Mike: it. Yeah, it's possible that one of them was also on birth control, but I'm guessing.
  • [29:16] Mike: Yeah, like, I've never been with you no longer term partner where it's like, Okay, we would like to have we would liketo have, like, you know, the most close sexual relationship we can. I'm on birth control, but unfortunately, I would also like you to use a condom, just to be extra carefully. I've never had that experience.
  • [29:35] Keith: Yeah, I just think it's sort of strange. It's like I don't I mean, I guess, And statistically, it sure is certainly is going to improve the probability I've thought to myself before. Is this because all the people posting on Reddit or like in states in the United States, where, like, it's really hard to get to an abortion clinic like that's really, like, Maybe they have religious beliefs, like, so they can't have toe.
  • [29:45] Mike: Imagine that you felt that abortion was never an option. Um, in that case, uh, you might wanna be extra safe. I'm not sure.
  • [29:50] Keith: I think if I felt that way, I would go with field your mouth can't get pregnant.
  • [29:53] Keith: Right? Which is true, ladies and men.
  • [29:54] Keith: Yeah.
  • [29:56] Mike: Um, yeah.
  • [30:04] Mike: Ah. Agreed. Okay. So, uh, wait. Now we need to get to this. I want it. I want to watch you, like, squirm a little bit, so Okay,
  • [30:16] Mike: you have finished. You have just busted inside someone else and right? They're not They're not. They're not satisfied. They're not done there. They're looking at you with a sort of eye roll.
  • [30:21] Keith: Is this about the fact that their semen in there Yeah, that's where you're getting getting. Yeah,
  • [30:22] Mike: yeah, yeah,
  • [30:27] Keith: yeah. The problem is the problem is that Look,
  • [30:39] Keith: I mean, maybe this is the function of the male refractory period. I don't know But the problem is for, like, those 15 minutes or 20 minutes or 30 minutes. Whatever it is, it is. It honestly depends on a bunch of factors, including, like,
  • [30:52] Keith: just which day it is, like just varies, but a period of time. There's no possible way that the guy's gonna find anything like that compelling, any sort of somewhat kinky thing. Like getting down with his own semen. Ah,
  • [30:55] Keith: compelling. And so it's gonna be a really tough challenge there.
  • [30:59] Keith: Um and so I think that you're gonna be stuck with
  • [31:03] Keith: something manual, some sort of hand involvement, right?
  • [31:11] Keith: Um and look, I mean, it's like like I think that I would say that in my life, I have endeavored to avoid this situation.
  • [31:28] Keith: Um, because the reason is no, no, it's not because, like, I'm selfish or something like that. I tried to avoid it because I know it's gonna be lame, like I don't want to be in that situation. Like women aren't faced with the analogous Typically, uh,
  • [31:34] Keith: there was one x that you have that we talked about. That maybe was. But typically, women aren't faced with the same kind of
  • [31:46] Keith: ah problem or same kind of issue that a guy would be. And so, yeah, you just wanted having to manage it, and yeah, I mean, I I, uh, so, yeah. I mean, like, it's it's not that. It's like a situation that's never occurred to me,
  • [31:51] Keith: to me, as if they're doing it to me. It's really my own fault, right? It's like I caused the situation,
  • [31:56] Mike: right. You were you, uh, bit off more than you could chew or something.
  • [32:05] Keith: Yeah. I mean, I think that I've never I've never had a problem with premature ejaculation. And I attribute that to, like, very young access to play.
  • [32:07] Mike: Yeah, yeah, yeah, could be.
  • [32:21] Keith: And so, like a I. Although, you see guys online that seemed to have that still have that. So I don't Maybe it's just a genetic thing or something, but yeah, I can imagine, like a guy getting into that situation, and then you're really in a pickle, aren't you? So to speak.
  • [32:26] Mike: So you would if this situation happened to you. Let's say for the first time in my life,
  • [32:34] Mike: Okay, so do you just say like, sorry, uh, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna stimulate you or Lee or manually. Too bad.
  • [32:40] Keith: No, I would do manually, but but my heart wouldn't be in it.
  • [32:45] Keith: And so it's sort of like I mean, probably the best option is for her to masturbate.
  • [32:46] Keith: Yeah. Okay,
  • [32:51] Keith: I know. I know. From what you've told me before, it sounds like you actually would be into it because
  • [32:53] Keith: you've just suggested as much.
  • [32:58] Mike: Yeah. I mean, her satisfaction is at least as important. Um,
  • [33:04] Keith: I don't understand how you square that with your, like, claims about your own nut and not tasting it and stuff, but yeah. Yeah,
  • [33:06] Mike: well, you know,
  • [33:11] Mike: you just don't believe that, Like, what I've said is true. It's true. So it's hard.
  • [33:17] Keith: Well, at that point, you are claiming, can't you having to claim that you can't taste it because it's clearly there,
  • [33:19] Keith: right? It's not like a damn disappears right
  • [33:29] Mike: instantly for our new our listeners. Mike and I have a little extending debate about whether or not I have ever tasted my own semen, and I
  • [33:32] Mike: have not. But Mike does not believe me. I
  • [33:54] Keith: mean, for reference. There are women a lot of women on the sex subreddit who claim that after their boyfriend or husband or whatever ejaculated in them. It drips out for the next, like, six hours. Uh, no, I don't I don't get it. Like if you're down there 20 minutes later, 5 10 even if she went to the bathroom, like whatever. It's just this is what's happening.
  • [33:56] Mike: Yeah, but I mean,
  • [34:05] Mike: you know, if you know, if a drop of lemon juice is diluted in water like you can't really taste it or it's so mild that you know you wouldn't notice it.
  • [34:07] Mike: It's a matter of, like ratio.
  • [34:09] Keith: I think you would notice.
  • [34:11] Mike: Well, that's good to know what it is like.
  • [34:23] Keith: I mean, sure, maybe if you get like a squirt gun and like, like, really get a super soaker and kind of clean it out in there like, maybe that wouldn't. But I think anything short of that you're gonna It's gonna plenty in there.
  • [34:38] Mike: I do wonder if, like I actually, you know, like next time I masturbate. I was like, all right, You know what? I'm 37 years old. It's today's the day and I tasted it, and then I would like recognize Thea. I recognize the
  • [34:54] Mike: the taste and then I was like, Suddenly you feel like, you know, scene in a movie. We're like, they goes back. And she was like, a bunch of things I think you should have noticed. Like when they happened in the movie. I wonder if I would like something like whole No. Like, you know, this has happened so many times Now I know. I just I can't say
  • [34:58] Keith: Yeah, maybe Maybe given that you should, uh you should continue to avoid
  • [35:00] Mike: it.
  • [35:05] Mike: Yeah, it's avoiding It is on my I mean, I am. I will. Don't worry.
  • [35:15] Keith: Way have a topic. We have another topic that's all very similar. With just two. It's It's road number six here. Okay. Uh, we've been watching men.
  • [35:18] Keith: I'd have to open it.
  • [35:21] Mike: Uh, this is a women watching men eat other men's Come. Yeah,
  • [35:22] Keith: I read this. I
  • [35:32] Mike: didn't I'm gonna read this verbatim. And then I didn't really understand what was going on here, So maybe you can part. So I got curious about how many women not only like to see men making it,
  • [35:36] Mike: making it in their presence, but also
  • [35:39] Mike: taking each other's loads orally and swallowing.
  • [35:47] Mike: Sometimes. See the videos in on a few dating sites. More rarely see AM FM requests by couples with a by mail.
  • [35:50] Mike: For me, it would be so hot, I was recently asked my woman
  • [35:59] Mike: I was with if I would do this for her with another by guy friend of hers. Really looking forward to today just one of four women like this.
  • [36:00] Mike: But I thought,
  • [36:07] Mike: Yes, I remember. Sort of confusing. I'd understand What the it And this program's a representative that watching a man eat another man's?
  • [36:09] Mike: Yeah. Can you explain this?
  • [36:12] Keith: Yeah. I mean, my take on this was that.
  • [36:14] Keith: Ah,
  • [36:21] Keith: this is a This is my take on this was that one man that one man is having sex with a woman. It's m f m
  • [36:29] Keith: Ah. And he finishes inside her, and then the other guy slides in and
  • [36:33] Keith: retrieves the first man. Semen. How do I
  • [36:35] Mike: get out with his Penis or by going down
  • [36:39] Keith: with his with his mouth? And I've seen this in porn. This is related to the last
  • [36:43] Mike: one. I mean, we didn't look, we sort of danced around it on the last topic. Yeah, uh,
  • [36:46] Keith: this is where she doesn't go to the bathroom. in between.
  • [36:48] Keith: So
  • [36:58] Keith: I don't think that, Okay, there's another guy, president, this one on some level. That makes it better, though, because you're not in your refractory period. Right?
  • [37:00] Keith: So crystal around
  • [37:03] Mike: your taste, my own demon
  • [37:13] Mike: while I'm refracting or what? I rather taste another man's semen. Uh, when I'm like, let's say, very aroused by another very attractive one.
  • [37:15] Keith: Yeah, that's exactly where we are. Here.
  • [37:16] Keith: Yeah.
  • [37:22] Mike: Uh, away thing is a tough one. Like, uh, I don't want you express it first.
  • [37:26] Keith: I don't think this is tough. I would definitely rather my own
  • [37:30] Keith: in the regretfully period. Oh, there's not. It's not
  • [37:36] Keith: because Yeah, because I'm not that interested in other men's semen. I
  • [37:38] Mike: profoundly
  • [37:43] Mike: uninterested as well. Uninterested, disinterest, uninterested.
  • [37:44] Mike: What?
  • [37:52] Mike: But okay, let's let's change it from from semen thio Like a drop of blood or something.
  • [37:54] Mike: Look at what point does like the
  • [38:10] Mike: the you know, there's a teeter totter here, right? There's a very attractive woman that you are going down on and, like, you know, potentially leading to having sex with um and then on the other side of the teeter totter is another man's semen in your mouth.
  • [38:14] Keith: Yeah, I mean, the issue is like is the
  • [38:25] Keith: the issue is the notion of, like the OK, we can agree that if you remove the component about being in your refractory period versus not being in your refractory period,
  • [38:41] Keith: you would choose your own right. We agree on that. Like so, for instance, if in both cases you have to have just noted, you would rather taste your own than some other guys You agree with that? Yes. Yeah. How do you view is the same?
  • [38:42] Keith: I mean,
  • [38:49] Mike: I'm not ambivalent. I would prefer my own. I mean, this is like, I know they're both clean and all that. I'm not sure
  • [38:51] Keith: now see? Look, okay.
  • [38:55] Mike: But, you know, this is this is the thing. I don't know what you have. Like,
  • [38:59] Mike: I think you have less of an aversion tear on semen then than I do.
  • [39:06] Keith: No, it Oh, that's interesting. Okay, wait, Hang on. So I was gonna make an analogy here and see if it clarifies. Maybe it won't.
  • [39:21] Keith: So I was going to say, Let's say that, uh, you and I both are standing in a room, and we each we each pick our nose and get some really good snot on her fingers. Yeah, at that moment, would you rather eat that one off your finger or the one off my finger?
  • [39:29] Mike: Mine, like neither really is. I mean, it's still not much closer to neither than mine. Like I
  • [39:36] Mike: they're bullet like, really ripples. Like once a nine and one's a 10. But really, they're both really bad. And I think for you, it's like one of seven once a 10.
  • [39:40] Keith: No, no, no. For me, one is like a two and one's a 10.
  • [39:53] Keith: Hey, yeah, I mean, like eating my own snot does not buy them. And the reason people don't pick their nose and eat it in front of other people, it's because it grosses the other person out like it doesn't gross yourself out, right? It's like because if you're talking to somebody in there, just
  • [40:00] Mike: like I would never yeah, like I don't like it when people do that and I don't do it are careful to avoid it myself. Although sometimes when I'm running,
  • [40:03] Mike: you know, I blow my nose and start gets my muffin. It's okay. So,
  • [40:03] Keith: yeah, I don't
  • [40:07] Mike: know. Maybe maybe it would prefer
  • [40:09] Mike: my uncle. I'm not sure.
  • [40:17] Mike: I mean, I would prefer my definitely that some non zero amount. I would prefer my own. I'm just not sure how much more than zero it is.
  • [40:33] Keith: Ah. Okay, so there, Yeah, there's that. And I just So so I guess I'm following up with that analysis and the fact that for me, like, I think the gap is wider. I think for a lot of people, it's why I'm certainly like little kids. It's wider, like little kids tend to pick their nose a lot, but anyway,
  • [40:40] Mike: okay. Is there anything about watching a man eat another man's?
  • [40:46] Mike: No, It out of you that's that's a lorry. Or is it just me, or is it just a dominance thing?
  • [40:59] Keith: Oh, you're asking why the woman would want this? Yeah. Um, yeah. I mean, I think I think she just got like, a bug in her being her bonnet about this particular thing. I honestly, when those postings like this, I have, like, a little bit of a
  • [41:04] Keith: doubt as to whether it's like a real posting. Like I think to myself, this is just like some dude looking for, like,
  • [41:08] Keith: some comments made by people that he can beat off to later.
  • [41:25] Keith: But I thought it was like an interesting topic nonetheless. Ah, I have watched Porn's where. So what happens in the porn's is you'll have two women who are in the 69 position. You've probably seen this to their in the 69 position. And then there's a guy added,
  • [41:26] Keith: Okay, the
  • [41:27] Mike: 1111 of the sides.
  • [41:30] Keith: And importantly, the guy is always
  • [41:38] Keith: behind the woman who's on top in the 69 position, right? And so he's thrusting in and out of her vagina and she sort of down there.
  • [41:43] Keith: I mean, it's not great, right? She's sort of down there just as a witness, almost. I mean, you
  • [41:49] Mike: got to make one whose whose face is next to the vagina? The thing penetrated?
  • [41:58] Keith: Yeah, exactly. And so she's basically just getting hit in the forehead with some nuts, and maybe she can, like, stick her tongue way out or kind of angle or it. I don't even know how this works. I've never seen it. It's
  • [42:01] Mike: really Lord of performance than functional.
  • [42:04] Keith: Well, I would be interested in having performers
  • [42:08] Keith: do this in front of me, but purely
  • [42:21] Keith: ergonomically. So, like I'm not. It's not that I, like, want to go to a sex show where this happens. I don't really, Because, like, the fluids and everything, I'm not sure I'd like that, but I'm just Yeah, ergonomically. I'm curious. Like how this actually works out. I'm pretty sure it doesn't actually work. Anyone
  • [42:30] Mike: is this? This is why people like, you know who are art students to figure drawing just so that they could, like, actually understand. Like howthe lines come together to form a body.
  • [42:36] Keith: You think art students make art so they can determine how this sort of weird modified 69 works?
  • [42:38] Mike: Well, I think that
  • [42:51] Mike: Yeah, well, I mean, the point I was trying to make is Yeah, I think it would be hard for an art student who actually knew a lot about anatomy toe like, actually draw this out. So, like actually seeing it in person would be sort of a treatment because it would be like, Oh, I guess that's how it works. It's
  • [42:54] Keith: not, like, intuitive. Exactly.
  • [43:15] Keith: Yeah. I just don't think there'd be much space left in the area anyway. So the idea she winds up in this sort of like uncomfortable, like witness position. And if the guy comes forward enough, she's probably looking at his taint and or butthole and like, it's just you know. Anyway, um, so then what happens? Is he nuts? He
  • [43:17] Keith: pulls back, and that is
  • [43:18] Mike: in this hypothetical port. What?
  • [43:21] Keith: I've seen this important repeat of it
  • [43:30] Keith: not hypothetical day, it's easily find of, although I'm not sure what you would search for exactly on then.
  • [43:40] Keith: The critical moment of the porn is that the woman who was on top, sort of like sits up a little bit, and the nut now goes out of her vagina into the open mouth of the news blow. You've seen this
  • [43:43] Mike: before? No, I have seen this. Yes,
  • [43:55] Keith: OK, I don't find that particular It. I don't find it arousing Be first of all, the the key moment of it. I don't find very arousing because it's just like you're moving fluid between two containers. It's like, Why is that?
  • [44:02] Keith: You know what I mean? I mean, I don't call people containers. Did you get the point? It's like you're like, Yes, the fluid will run out and into the other person, but
  • [44:06] Mike: Yes, there's some sort of dominance thing going on there.
  • [44:21] Mike: Maybe. I mean, it's so obviously an act, but like hypothetically, like if a woman was so excited about your semen, but like she's willing to get whatever she can, including that the seconds from another vagina that you just
  • [44:28] Mike: or getting into that could be sort of a lorry. But, I mean, it's just so obviously an act, right that z
  • [44:30] Keith: Yeah,
  • [44:47] Keith: that's what I'm really produced. That must be guys who want to consume it. But ah, for me, I always just find it amusing because it's like that. It's almost like they're tormenting this woman like she's not involved in any meaningful way in the actual act. That happens, except she's, like, sort of that she just has to receive. The
  • [44:50] Mike: other girl is ostensibly
  • [44:53] Mike: performing oral sex on her.
  • [44:59] Keith: You have a usual Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Although that's not the locus of the action. Right? So they're not
  • [45:09] Keith: camera? Yeah, ostensibly, but I mean it, and that doesn't You don't want to see that. That was just to give you an idea that calling it 69 misgiving idea of the position, like, honestly, that's not even important to the action.
  • [45:12] Mike: That's a clarification. Ah,
  • [45:14] Mike: yeah. Okay, so
  • [45:17] Mike: yeah. Yeah, and I definitely don't.
  • [45:27] Mike: So yeah, just is like, uh, watching another woman receive my come would not really be that interesting. Yeah, I don't know.
  • [45:33] Mike: Like the original question was like, Is it interesting for a woman to watch men consume each other's semen? I don't know.
  • [45:44] Keith: I think that for a guy outside of a porn shoot, I think this notion of the semen coming out of the one moment's vagina and then just moving around might become downright frightening for a guy,
  • [45:46] Keith: right? Because I said, wait a minute.
  • [45:55] Keith: What am I gonna impregnate someone? You know, like I mean, if you could imagine, like, someone with your semen running around? I mean,
  • [45:57] Mike: you know, toilet paper rolls or whatever.
  • [46:14] Keith: Well, this doesn't happen because of the behavior of women. Women don't want to be impregnated typically by random strangers, But like if women had different incentives in life, like you could imagine guys having to guard their semen really carefully like and frankly, I always wonder that about, like, say, like a billionaire,
  • [46:22] Keith: like does a billionaire have to like, do things like wear a condom, money masturbates air like make sure he, like, dries up the cunt semen. Really? Well,
  • [46:27] Mike: I'm not sure how quickly to Seaman become unusable once it's outside the body.
  • [46:42] Keith: I mean, not quickly enough. Like I think that I just Yeah, I suspect the like it. It could be usable for long enough that, like somebody who has a lot to lose by impressed by what I think protects like a billionaire against this is just women don't want to do that. It's just not like a
  • [46:45] Keith: It's just not like a game like it takes a very unusual sort of
  • [47:00] Mike: woman. Uh, let's say I ejaculated into a condom and then I leave the room to go to the restroom or something, because if I've put the kind of in my condom receptacle next to my bedside table,
  • [47:05] Mike: she could like turkey, baster it out, maybe leave 10 minutes later and then somehow use it
  • [47:05] Mike: a
  • [47:11] Keith: 100% sure that that would work. Yes. I mean, there might be spermicide in the oh, yeah, sure
  • [47:14] Keith: interested. Definitely a certain temperature.
  • [47:26] Keith: I mean, I'm sure that we'll look. They freeze sperm cells, so you know, that they can survive freezing and thawing. I think that, like, if you look if it dries out, that's one thing. But as long as it's as long as there's, like, see a droplet and it's still fluid in there,
  • [47:27] Mike: you know? You
  • [47:31] Keith: know, I'm sure, like 10 minutes, 20 minutes. I'm sure it's like
  • [47:33] Mike: I'm gonna do some research on this.
  • [47:37] Mike: My sister's a doctor. I don't think I can ask her. Um
  • [47:45] Keith: Well, on some level, this FBI don't come down to whether they're viable sperm cells. I mean, on some level, this kind of stuff comes down like has it ever happened? And it's tricky,
  • [47:47] Keith: partly because this is not
  • [47:53] Mike: what I'm sure the question of like, how long can Seaman last outside the body is well now.
  • [48:02] Keith: Yeah, well, I've read. I mean, I've read people saying things like in last hours, but I'm always suspicious of things like that because they're trying to scare you into using birth control. So
  • [48:05] Mike: Okay. I mean, right, Yeah. I'm gonna do some research in upper this.
  • [48:12] Keith: That's like the There's another classic one there. Which is the question of whether the pre ejaculate fluid of a man contained sperm.
  • [48:13] Mike: It does right
  • [48:18] Keith: on Lee. If you haven't peed since you last night, it really Yeah. I
  • [48:25] Mike: thought pre cum was considered problematic, but medically. Okay, well, yeah. Okay.
  • [48:27] Mike: Okay. My I hope your confidence in your
  • [48:29] Keith: who use it, researching
  • [48:35] Keith: your researcher yourself, people listening to researchers themselves. But the point is like, it's not like,
  • [48:39] Keith: you know, it's not like it's not like it's Scott sperm Sultan of the sperm cells Come out with the
  • [48:42] Mike: jack. Where is the prick? Um, coming from?
  • [48:45] Keith: I don't know. You're Ah, you're
  • [48:46] Keith: What's the word for that? I don't remember the name of
  • [48:50] Mike: a CZ, you know, I don't know. Penis, Uh, terminology.
  • [48:57] Keith: I don't want to make a mistake. There. There, there, there, there, there. Specific glands there that produced that stuff. It's not. It doesn't contain print
  • [49:01] Mike: from the thing that produces the actual come.
  • [49:03] Keith: Well, I mean, so God,
  • [49:16] Keith: so right went right through. This is interesting. Now, this is interesting, right before you nut. Right before you not. There's this feeling You admit you may have put not paid attention to this. There's this feeling that happens right before you not,
  • [49:30] Keith: uh, in your crime area. And it's the feeling that, like some fluid, is moving around. And that feeling is like the sperm cells being transported into your prostate to get its ready. Ready to nut out
  • [49:39] Keith: because the sperm cells before are in your in your testicles. Right? Right. Feeling that's actually like Avery identical, viable seat feeling, which is, like, a few seconds before you nut
  • [49:41] Mike: welling up.
  • [49:48] Keith: Right. And that feeling is that until that feeling happens there in your nuts, which makes sense because that's their home,
  • [49:49] Mike: right?
  • [49:52] Mike: Uh, okay.
  • [49:54] Mike: Yeah. Okay. All right. I just need to
  • [50:00] Keith: people should researcher for themselves don't don't get people pregnant, because, uh, Keith and I told you to write.
  • [50:06] Mike: Okay, I'm gonna go out to the next topic. This is ah, got cream pie eyed and wow. Exclamation point.
  • [50:14] Mike: Uh, me and my boyfriend were laying down and and I was a little horny, so I told my boyfriend to grab a condom and he said, We're out frowny face.
  • [50:33] Mike: And I was so upset because we had never had sex with that one. We lay there a minute. He said he would go to the store and get some. I said no come here. And I pulled off his pants. I told him to put it inside of me, so he did. And OMG it felt so much better than rubber. He kept thrusting over and over, and then I got on top of him and I fucked him. And he says, I'm going to come
  • [50:37] Mike: And I said, Come inside me if he was scared. Sorry. Sorry.
  • [50:54] Mike: I ruined the boot. Part of part of me was scared. It was like part of me wanting this. I'm on the pill and we have no infections. But he came so hard inside me, and that set me off and I came to We had a simultaneous orgasm and OMG the emotion and intimacy that brand bring
  • [51:03] Mike: freezing for thinking that simultaneous orgasm was the most powerful and intimate thing I've ever felt. OMG! I felt so left. Okay, we get it, Uh, age estimate on this person.
  • [51:10] Keith: I mean, it depends on whether they were part of the country they live in. I mean, the brand is tough.
  • [51:15] Mike: Yeah, there's no way this person's older than 22 but all right, so, um
  • [51:18] Mike: wow, exclamation point.
  • [51:27] Keith: Well, so the, um this is an example of one of these people who is doing the condom plus the birth control the pill thing, right? Maybe
  • [51:29] Keith: an example.
  • [51:30] Keith: Yeah.
  • [51:34] Mike: So she's, like, scared. I think that's what's going on there. But I'm not sure
  • [51:40] Keith: no war could be a rational feel. Well, I mean, for example, maybe she lives in a house. Maybe she's a teenager
  • [51:52] Keith: and lives with parents who are, like, super Well, I mean, a lot of parents would be pretty unhappy if their kid got pregnant, so that she's like, I'm gonna do every possible thing to avoid that which actually good on her for doing that.
  • [51:57] Keith: But the thing that I thought was an interesting topic here, in addition to her
  • [52:00] Keith: excited, she used the word cream pie.
  • [52:02] Mike: Yeah, got cream pie eyed and wow.
  • [52:10] Keith: Yeah, the God bless the porn for I mean for causing women. T. Actually, assuming this is a woman to use terms like that, let's Ah,
  • [52:20] Keith: that is the porn official term. If people want to search for porn where the man ejaculate in the woman's vagina, the word is cream by, and sometimes they'll say aural cream pie. Which
  • [52:23] Keith: means that yeah, the obvious
  • [52:37] Keith: But I also thought the topic of the there's there's a minor topic here, which is Did she actually have a real orgasm that was triggered by the man? So it's always like the question, because it's like, Well, I mean, does that really work that way? Like,
  • [52:43] Keith: but it could. I mean, as a man, I met you. Have you had a woman's orgasm
  • [52:45] Keith: Trigger yours?
  • [52:47] Keith: Mmm.
  • [52:53] Keith: Like in a surprising way. Like where you were like it was It happened sooner than you expected. Because what she did was so hot.
  • [52:56] Mike: You well know
  • [53:01] Mike: the spirit of your question. The answer is no. Uh,
  • [53:05] Mike: because generally I can tell when
  • [53:10] Mike: my partner is getting close or pretending to get close.
  • [53:33] Mike: I don't want to litigate that right now. So, you know, I got, um And you know, So then, you know, it's generally not hard for me to get myself close as well, and so I can time it so that when they are actually orgasm ing or pretending to orgasm, I am as well, uh S O. That happens fairly commonly. Um, now,
  • [53:35] Mike: as for like, uh, yeah, just
  • [53:39] Keith: sending two makes a funny what? The pretending to each
  • [53:44] Mike: time,
  • [53:52] Mike: as for, like, you know, just sort of marching merrily along and like, suddenly, she is surprisingly
  • [53:59] Mike: orgasm ing in such a way. That's, like, obvious and really hot. And then, like, suddenly,
  • [54:03] Mike: I'm also orgasm. And even though I didn't really intention that I don't know if that's happened.
  • [54:09] Keith: Yeah, I think I have had that happen. Okay, So and it was just as you described a unit that was
  • [54:14] Mike: different from just being like All right, well, I'm gonna Not now.
  • [54:21] Keith: Well, um okay, because you've never had the experience were like where
  • [54:38] Keith: you were surprised that the sensation of I mean, the classic example of this would be If you're having sex with a condom and then remove the condom, it's much more sensitive, right? But I'm sure there are other examples like that where something happens that increases the stimulation more than you expected. And then it sort of takes you over the edge.
  • [54:43] Keith: You weren't expecting you never had that happen. You're always in control.
  • [54:47] Mike: Uh, it's more than I'm always
  • [54:56] Mike: not really like. The experience is more like I can generally probably orgasm when I whenever I would like. And so
  • [55:05] Mike: Yeah, like this thing of like, Oh, like, here's yeah, like I'm I'm totally fine marching along. I could do this forever. Like that's not really Ah,
  • [55:07] Mike: a mode for me, I guess. Way
  • [55:15] Keith: which way? I'm trying understand this. You're saying that you usually can just continue on for as long as you want. You decide. Okay,
  • [55:17] Mike: well, I guess
  • [55:22] Mike: like it's just it's generally like I can sort of orgasm whenever I would like. And so,
  • [55:23] Mike: uh,
  • [55:27] Keith: is that true? I mean, so it's not, I don't know. You're just
  • [55:29] Mike: like a little bit here myself.
  • [55:45] Keith: It's not with women or let's say you're masturbating. Are you saying that way? If you if you were had a boner and you were masturbating and I said, Look, I will give you $1000 let's say you cared about the $1000. Yeah, some amount of money you care about. Yeah, but I'm going to. There's a There's a little light on your
  • [55:50] Keith: computer desktop. We agree that you'll be masturbating starting at 11 a.m. On a day,
  • [55:54] Keith: and that light blinks and you have to put that nut out.
  • [55:56] Keith: Well, it's the amount of time you think you could do it.
  • [55:57] Mike: Well,
  • [56:00] Mike: I mean, this is important. And my already erect? Yeah.
  • [56:02] Keith: Yeah. You're in the midst. We agree.
  • [56:06] Mike: Hind directions, like Like OK,
  • [56:11] Mike: and being like, fully erect because I've been watching porn for awhile. Are different.
  • [56:33] Keith: No, I'm not trying to control you with this. Let's make we can make a totally fair Here is what's going on. We agree that starting at 11 a.m. On Saturday, you're gonna be masturbating seriously, So you could start a 10. 50. You started 10. 45. Whatever. If you need to like it, the incense out and whatever you D'oh! Okay, so it's 11 a.m. You're masturbating. And what I tell you is Keith, sometimes between sometime between 11 and 11. 15
  • [56:37] Keith: I'm gonna send you a text, all right?
  • [56:42] Keith: And when I send you that text, you have to nut within.
  • [56:50] Keith: And the question is like, What would tow win the money? Like, what would you need if I said if I said you need to know within 10 seconds? Could you do it,
  • [56:51] Keith: huh?
  • [56:52] Keith: Or like, a minute?
  • [56:57] Mike: It was much time to prepare. And how long is the window during which she would text me 15 minutes.
  • [57:11] Keith: Yeah, yeah, it's a significant. So it's not like it's a Yeah, that's important. Because otherwise, like, three minutes, you have to be marching along as you said, like in the where they call that the plateau of your arousal. Like your it's your plateau owed And like I'm trying to understand.
  • [57:14] Mike: And I get a minute from the point of receiving the text.
  • [57:28] Keith: No, I want to know what What is the What is the amount of time where you feel confident? What is the amount of time where you think the over under would be sort of an even bet for us? In other words, what is the one time you is? It feels like the minimum you would need to have, like a good shot. One
  • [57:29] Mike: 145 seconds.
  • [57:31] Keith: You think
  • [57:35] Keith: you think that in 30 to 45 seconds you could get that nut up?
  • [57:44] Mike: I think I can keep myself ready for a 15 minute long window so that I can orgasm within 30 to 45 seconds at any time. During that way. Yes.
  • [57:51] Keith: Okay. And you think there's zero chance that you would orgasm too early, right?
  • [57:52] Keith: Because,
  • [57:59] Mike: I mean, I would like to train for this a bit. I'm not sure. I'm not sure this is a mildly compelling.
  • [58:04] Keith: If you were with a woman, Is it the same as if you're masturbating? Is it with, like, in other words, is there a
  • [58:08] Mike: woman? I get scared t within 30 to 45 seconds.
  • [58:17] Keith: Okay. But that that's That's good. That's good. So we so if the woman said, Look, I'm gonna tap you on the shoulder or I'm just gonna snap my fingers during sex, and you have
  • [58:19] Keith: 20 seconds. You could do it.
  • [58:20] Mike: I think so.
  • [58:22] Keith: Okay. Now,
  • [58:27] Keith: So during this, with that same period time, is there anything the woman could do
  • [58:38] Keith: to make it? So you would? Actually, Not too soon. Right? So it's like she's like, but if you nut before I tap you on the shoulder, you lose. And you owe me some amount of money you care about. Is it anything she could do to get that nut out of you?
  • [58:40] Mike: Definitely.
  • [58:55] Mike: What? Uh, she could just yet she could, like, say the right thing. And then, like, uh, you know, maybe be on top of me and, like, you just may have forced me to not be able to control the tempo. And then, yeah, it's probably over.
  • [59:04] Mike: That's it. Get cheated, like, half having orgasm. That that's, like a particularly trembling or something. Um, well, that's what we were just you know.
  • [59:11] Keith: Okay, So you're So you're basically saying that in fact, this could happen to you were, like, she she triggers you more or less. Right?
  • [59:17] Keith: Okay, because you were saying usually what happens is you. But but in fact, and I hear you're saying, In fact,
  • [59:20] Keith: typically you have to do the timing, right?
  • [59:30] Mike: Correct. Yeah. Which is it possible that a situation could arise for, like, I'm where I sort of, like, make a mistake or lose control, But it doesn't happen often.
  • [59:37] Keith: Yeah. I mean, that's I think that's like the male lot in these situations in seconds. Like the guy winds up having to sort of, like,
  • [59:40] Keith: paste things and control it a little bit. I had a friend about
  • [59:52] Mike: this earlier. Sorry. You get your friend in a second. But we were talking about this earlier with like, Yeah, You want one for hit the situation. We're like, uh, you're done. And then she's just sort of, like, you know, tapping your fingers on the desk, Annoyed.
  • [59:57] Mike: And so yeah, like a big part of male experience is like trying to,
  • [59:59] Mike: uh,
  • [60:02] Mike: two things at the right
  • [60:06] Mike: rate, so whereby, you know, both partners are satisfied,
  • [60:09] Keith: right? And so in. So in some ways,
  • [60:14] Keith: like one wonders in this in this reddit post, whether the
  • [60:19] Keith: the woman who's like, wow, this thing happened, actually, maybe it was just a guy like you that timed it.
  • [60:41] Keith: And And to be fair, Keith, maybe this is an example that breaks my rule about guys not being able to be, like maybe a guy guys not being able to improve upon, like, some sort of base level of performance. Maybe a guy like it sounds like you are who is able to time his orgasm so well with the woman. Either orgasm, You're pretending to orgasm as the case may be in honestly aside, your fault If she's pretending, in my view
  • [60:44] Keith: in that yeah, I mean, you just don't know right now. Uh, yeah,
  • [60:55] Keith: she's not okay. Never. Ever, ever, ever. Only real And honestly, you guys tweet at Keith and maybe experience that for yourself. But a true podcast or
  • [60:57] Mike: what? Why be pot on Twitter?
  • [61:01] Keith: Yeah, and and then you could have a private convo with him.
  • [61:09] Keith: Uh, but maybe that would actually sort of juice you up a little bit higher in sort of, ah, esteem from women. The factory
  • [61:30] Mike: saying that you're often in a situation. Not often, but you've been You've found yourself in this situation whereby a girl is sort of marching toward orgasm, and you know she's going thio, and you know that after she does oh, are, like, you know that, like when she does, that would also be a good time for, you know or guess. And you're not able to sort of, uh, sink those up.
  • [61:32] Mike: I always, you know, ideally
  • [61:43] Keith: Okay, there's a couple of issues there. One is that frequently, uh, women require, like some activity that's not like
  • [61:46] Keith: e you like
  • [61:58] Keith: Like it requires some activity that, in order to make the experience the best for them doesn't make the experience the best for the guy, right? I mean, the classic example of that would be the woman who wants to receive or all right, I mean, so
  • [61:58] Keith: get
  • [62:01] Mike: on the orgasm for moral.
  • [62:24] Keith: Uh, I guess that happens. I mean, that would mean they can't masturbate. Can't worry. It's masturbating, which is a little unusual, but okay. So, I mean, I guess in that situation you would say, Look, honey, we'll get into a 69. Things isn't gonna be compelling for the woman will get in the 69 position. I will give you oral. And then at the moment of your resume, I will just jizz all over your face. Right? Right. But that's really the only way we're Maybe
  • [62:53] Keith: you could be that guy from, like, the guy from last week. And you could be the guy nuts in the toilet, whatever you could not into, like, Ah, a Kleenex, Walter. But that it wouldn't be compelling, right? But what I would say in my experience is that, like while accomplishing what what they're talking about here is compelling. And I have some in my life experience this and it's compelling. I would say that generally, uh, it's better to serialize them. In other words, have the woman come first in the man come afterward because it's I have been
  • [62:57] Mike: safer to make sure that both do
  • [63:00] Mike: first, and it's like, Well,
  • [63:07] Keith: no, that's true. But it's also like the thing of like the I think that, like, I feel like it's Ah,
  • [63:23] Keith: you You get a higher intensity level if if one person is focused on and then the other person is focused on subsequently. Whereas I think that if you focus on this goal here of simultaneity like you wind up both kind of like missing out a little bit.
  • [63:25] Mike: Well, in this particular case,
  • [63:28] Mike: uh, I understand what you're saying. You're saying that Ah,
  • [63:35] Mike: if you if you overly focus on being sync up and doing it at the exact same time like you,
  • [63:43] Mike: you might be coming up some intensity, I get it. Okay, but yeah, but this one, this one was like the highest risk possible thing, which is
  • [63:47] Mike: this guy, this guy's or get in the
  • [63:55] Mike: his orgasm is what caused her orgasm. So, like it, he would have to make sure she's right on that edge. Or else Yeah, or
  • [64:00] Keith: else he's back in. Our other are other red. Oppose. Where he's suddenly
  • [64:02] Mike: tasting his own semen is he goes down on her.
  • [64:08] Keith: He's in sort of the valley of despair there. Whatever. Like, yeah, What now? What do I do?
  • [64:12] Keith: So he ran the risk in, and I guess that it worked for him that time.
  • [64:16] Mike: What a champ. But yeah, Yeah, you could imagine that. Not going 10 for 10.
  • [64:23] Keith: But you're saying that I think you disagree with my perspective on that. You're saying that you do actually go for the simultaneous T extent possible?
  • [64:32] Mike: Yeah. I wonder if my, uh, somewhat lessened interest in orgasm intensity as you, uh, plays a role in that
  • [64:42] Keith: there. I mean, I have a commentary on that a little bit. It's not about orgasm intensity, but it's the commentary that I think that the strategy of aiming for that
  • [64:51] Keith: somewhat actually would argue dramatically. But I will say, for the purposes of my argument, somewhat increases the probability of the woman faking an orgasm.
  • [64:54] Keith: Because if she knows, that's what you're trying to do.
  • [64:59] Keith: She's basically like, this guy's not going to come unless I come. Yeah, yeah,
  • [65:01] Mike: I
  • [65:02] Mike: I agree.
  • [65:05] Keith: Now you could say I don't know the man
  • [65:07] Mike: importantly, but yeah, I agree.
  • [65:12] Keith: The man can decide whether he cares or not in that situation. but
  • [65:19] Keith: e think so. I think that's part of it. I am I It's It's like it's my desire for the the outcome to be
  • [65:25] Keith: not faked, uh, sort of a crazy and pull implosion there toward me for me.
  • [65:29] Mike: I think we should do one more topic here.
  • [65:32] Mike: Let's see this one of the toilet paper.
  • [65:38] Mike: Uh, I think it might be might be quick, and it's it's sort of a callback. Thio early at the present
  • [65:47] Mike: you're on. So, uh, throw away. Girl says my large labia way decided it's flabby or labia.
  • [65:50] Mike: Miss Labia, my large labia bring toilet paper into the bed
  • [66:03] Mike: Fiction since they brought for the paper into the bedroom. Hey, all I 22 female have long inner labia. It cause me serious and securities in my sex life and recently with cause.
  • [66:19] Mike: About a month ago, my boyfriend was figuring me and pulled up a piece of TP, but without my knowledge was stuck to me. He laughed it off, but I died of embarrassment trying to be sex positive. But this has happened several times since. And the other ladies have this problem
  • [66:28] Mike: ways have this problem. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I read the first comment on this. I'm gonna know
  • [66:37] Mike: it since, okay, I, too have experienced phenomena of cleaning litter.
  • [66:43] Mike: Um, yeah. It could be embarrassing and awkward, but if your partner is reasonable, it shouldn't be an issue. Um,
  • [66:51] Mike: I wasn't reasonable. When when? This when this happened to me. Um, but, uh, yeah. Nice to see that this That this happens to other people.
  • [66:54] Keith: Yeah, I am.
  • [66:59] Keith: I read a, uh, reddit thread some time ago
  • [67:03] Keith: where it was like this, but the man was fingering the woman.
  • [67:06] Keith: They were in a long distance relationship
  • [67:09] Keith: and they adjust.
  • [67:12] Keith: Met up for the first time in several weeks,
  • [67:15] Keith: and he was doing it and he retrieved a condom.
  • [67:20] Keith: What? And it it was not his condom with someone else's,
  • [67:22] Mike: huh? Wow,
  • [67:23] Mike: uh,
  • [67:26] Keith: s so so we can get it going to be a lot worse, right?
  • [67:34] Mike: Yeah. I mean, even if a spectrum of fleck of toilet papers is less than another man used condom. Yeah,
  • [67:42] Keith: it's just Yeah, it's just there's just a lotta It's just said, Bummer on a lot of levels. Um, if it was your own condom,
  • [67:46] Keith: well, you'd ask yourself, why didn't I notice that it was gone?
  • [67:57] Mike: Um, yeah. I mean, look, there's a lot of questions that come up there. How long has it been Eyes this dangerous. Uh, what do we talk about now? Uh, right.
  • [68:02] Keith: I mean, I suppose is a guy. You could ignore it until you get your nut off.
  • [68:05] Mike: You could, but yeah, I mean,
  • [68:09] Mike: that might be something that would cause you to quickly lose interaction
  • [68:18] Keith: it might be would depend on, uh it would depend on whether, like, you had jealousy and so on and so forth, Like the smart thing to do for the guy that would be probably
  • [68:22] Keith: conceal it. Me, You put it back in
  • [68:23] Mike: the money,
  • [68:24] Mike: put
  • [68:26] Keith: it back in Finnish.
  • [68:28] Keith: And then I heard. What do
  • [68:31] Mike: we have here?
  • [68:33] Mike: Yeah, yeah, perhaps I
  • [68:34] Keith: know the idea of everything
  • [68:36] Keith: you have been using. It
  • [68:39] Mike: sounds like some sort of frat boy
  • [68:42] Mike: jokers uptown. Expensive, you know,
  • [68:55] Mike: take what you can get. Uh, is this, like, a thing? That I mean? I guess this happens a lot, and umm yeah, must be that, uh, yeah, like depending on your lady a size
  • [68:57] Mike: there's like, there's a difference.
  • [69:05] Keith: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's, uh it makes sense to me that it would be an issue, because, I mean, it's not always possible to kind of, like
  • [69:09] Keith: pay a supremely close attention in that area. But
  • [69:20] Keith: so does the posting. Doesn't say like the outcome, right? I mean, it doesn't sound like the guy broke up with her, as was the choice made by my co host here.
  • [69:34] Mike: Uh, yeah, she doesn't go on any more. People have said that. Look at the size of your lady. I don't matter just the nature of toilet paper, guys, assholes have no lady, and sometimes we don't realise Cheap toilet toilet paper shreds a bit, and I find it later in the shower.
  • [69:37] Mike: Um,
  • [69:39] Mike: maybe, maybe later I have anything to do with it,
  • [69:51] Keith: right? The other thing I would that I wanted to bring up about this topic was to do with baby wipes. And so like that people suggesting using baby wipes instead And also people suggest baby wipes for, like, women who are, like,
  • [69:53] Keith: uncomfortable with like
  • [69:56] Keith: they were concerned about, like, smell or something down there.
  • [70:04] Mike: I have a short anecdote on this. I read it. Reddit thread a while back about. It was like a,
  • [70:24] Mike: you know, a guy who has a lot of success with the ladies. And he says he said that he keeps baby wipes next to his toilet so that if he was lucky enough to bring a woman home and if maybe she's feeling a little bit insecure about her cleanliness down there, shouldn't she might be pleased to see the baby wipes because she could be a sort of like a quick freshen.
  • [70:28] Keith: Yeah, the thing that that gives me pause about that is
  • [70:29] Keith: like,
  • [70:38] Keith: I mean, I think that works really well as long as the guy's mouth isn't going down there. But, like, I wouldn't want to, like, lick a baby. Why would you?
  • [70:52] Mike: No. But so I mean, you could say the same thing about soap, right? Like if if somebody had recently soaked down there. I mean, you're saying baby wipes or worse because you can't rinse after or something?
  • [70:58] Keith: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that like it's the same thing. Like you see, you'll see people talk about
  • [71:06] Keith: using flavored lubricant in various things that involve Laurel, and that always really grosses me out. I think Why would you
  • [71:09] Keith: like that? Just doesn't seem good at all. Like I don't want to eat a lubricant
  • [71:10] Keith: like
  • [71:15] Mike: Yeah, but if you do, wouldn't you? You wouldn't rather it be flavored?
  • [71:31] Keith: No, I don't want to yield lubricant like I don't care if it's free. It's not. I mean, I don't know, like Unflavored, I guess if it tasted like lubricant, that grocer, maybe. But I mean, the whole thing just sounds bad and like that, and that's the issue with the baby. Wipe is there's, like some sort of scent, usually to them, even if they're unscented. There's like,
  • [71:38] Keith: there's, like, some moisturizer or something in there that like, Yeah, no, I mean, like rinsing seems like an important part of the process, right? It's like you in the
  • [71:49] Mike: roots. I think if, like, you know, let's say you had been to the club and, you know, everyone had been dancing all night and things were a little bit grimy down there. I think, baby, why would be preferable?
  • [71:54] Keith: I just think taking a shower is the best move. Well, yeah, but
  • [71:56] Keith: why not? I mean,
  • [71:57] Keith: I guess people just in a hurry
  • [72:02] Mike: Well, yeah, like how Would you suggest that?
  • [72:05] Keith: Well, I mean, I actually think it sounds kind of hot, you know? Sure.
  • [72:07] Mike: Sure, Sure, sure. Hey, we've both
  • [72:10] Mike: Yeah, let's take a shower. Yeah, I guess.
  • [72:15] Keith: Yeah. You're like, Hey, you know, you've been dancing all night and I just took a really big steamer
  • [72:24] Keith: big dump. So let's get in the shower. And, you know, I know. I don't know. I think it does. But it isn't like I don't I feel like that doesn't really solve the problem. Like it just
  • [72:32] Mike: showers could be. You know, showering together could be pretty intimate. You know, some people would rather just, like, turn the lights off
  • [72:39] Mike: bumped nasties for 10 or 15 minutes then, like, have, like, an intimate shower together, followed by,
  • [72:45] Mike: You know, people have been feeling uncomfortable with their bodies, and they just sort of went, like, minimized the
  • [72:47] Mike: amount of exposure they have to each other.
  • [72:51] Keith: Well, that's why there are forms of sex one can have that don't involve a world.
  • [72:52] Keith: Right.
  • [72:57] Keith: So, like, yeah, you can do that. And you don't have thio have oral sex. And, like, frankly, like this
  • [73:01] Keith: question about toilet paper stuff might not even come up If you're just,
  • [73:08] Keith: uh, focusing on P I V like you might not notice. Like, what's even going on like you're not. Your Penis doesn't have eyes,
  • [73:16] Keith: but as soon as like your head is going down there like, I think it's reasonable toe. I just don't think a baby wipes off the problem. That's all. Like, I think, like you could just take a shower. It's not deal.
  • [73:20] Mike: Yeah, I mean, look, it's like 1/2. It's like 1/4 step
  • [73:33] Keith: It is, But I think it's good. It's it's good to make sure people have a good experience. So, like, I don't know, uh, iis a man, I would feel the same way. Like I don't have my if I have been exercising or if I know my nuts were kind of gross, like I would rather just take a shower like I don't
  • [73:40] Keith: I guess I could wash my e. I guess you could Have you ever done this? You could washer your Penis and your balls in the in the sink.
  • [73:43] Mike: Yeah, it's tricky. And then, you know,
  • [73:46] Mike: it takes a little while to dry.
  • [73:47] Keith: Well, you just use a towel, right?
  • [73:49] Mike: You know what?
  • [73:51] Mike: Yeah,
  • [73:51] Mike: but
  • [73:54] Keith: it seems trickier for a woman to wash that way.
  • [73:56] Keith: Anyway, We should probably finish up.