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Episode 86: Slutty Confessions, Magical Blowjobs, Cum Slaps, Perfect 10s

Team YMMV | 10-6-2022 | 1:02:11

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What life can an extremely attractive woman expect after she graduates from high school? We discuss whether there is some secret land where men have access to only the 10s among us. Of course, they'd be jettisoned at age 27 or thereabouts.

Eric describes a "new" technique he discovered in porn, called the "cum slap," followed by a proper discussion of some blowjob tips, with two guys who both enjoy receiving them.

And, we discuss the Slutty Confessions subreddit, which contains stories which may or may not be true, but which are always provocative.

To see the photos from Episode 85 that we discussed at the beginning of the episode:

https://ymmv.me/86/sugar-1

https://ymmv.me/86/sugar-2

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/86/magical-blow

https://ymmv.me/86/dislikes-blows

https://ymmv.me/86/wedding-creampie

https://ymmv.me/86/gloryhole

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

  • [00:00] Mike: Hello and welcome to episode 86 of your mileage may vary. This is Mike and I'm here with Eric our my co-host Keith is in Hawaii now he's a kind of on an endless vacation Eric say hi to the audience. So Eric's filling in for Keith this week he's a
  • [00:12] Eric: Hi audience.
  • [00:19] Mike: Ah, somewhat regular guest on the show and um Eric has a fair amount of sex expertise that he's been willing to share in the past. So I think he's going to be able to give us some some good content today. We've got some great stuff for you today. Ah. In particular I'm excited to bring um a few questions about blowjobs talking about that with Keith is not the best because he doesn't like receiving blowjob so it always just devolves to this discussion of um how he dislikes that which is you know it just it just limits the amount of conversation. Possible.
  • [00:53] Mike: And we have a new subreddit to take a look at um that we that Eric and I are familiar with and ah some other um sundry questions about sex. Ah, and we have a few things to follow up on from last episode as always we appreciate feedback and reviews. People can give us feedback at ymmvpod at Gmail.com or hit us up on Twitter at Ymmvpod and as always we pay $10 for good faith feedback from people. Um so quickly from last episode. We had a conversation about a sugar baby. Who is extraordinarily attractive Eric you actually were I think the person who complained to me about the fact that we didn't have photos in the show notes about that is that right.
  • [01:36] Eric: Yeah, it's really, it's annoying to listen to a conversation about someone who's so outrageously attractive that you you're sort of agitated by it and yeah I just made me eager to see it. And I have to say like she was She was fine but it was from your description. It was definitely a letdown.
  • [01:54] Mike: Oh my god wow. Okay, so hang on so you were not the only one to complain about this. We had um, ah 3 other listeners send us emails complaining about this. So. I am when I post this show going to go back to episode 85 and update the show notes to include 2 links that I was able to dig up after some assiduous searching of the pictures we looked at now I do want to get into this a little bit with you Eric um, Keith and I agree that she was extremely attractive I think for me, she's sort of a 10 out of 10 maybe I'll put her in the show notes for this episode too. So people can can see what I'm talking about what were the ah first of all on a scale of 10 where would you put her and what were the issues you saw.
  • [02:33] Eric: Oh there's no issues. This is just it's a personal preference thing. So like the difference between 9 and 10 isn't like objective issues. It's just like what you're you know? do you like chocolate or vanilla or whatever. Um, you know it's just just a. She's very pretty and I can see why she's totally up your alley.
  • [02:43] Mike: Um, okay.
  • [02:49] Mike: From.
  • [02:50] Eric: If I if I could like pinpoint anything. It would be. She looked a little young which is which is weird I mean young is almost always better, but she seemed a little bit too. Um, borderline prepubescent not prepu bascent but like her face which is very her face was her face which is very like innocent and immature seeming.
  • [03:00] Mike: Um, whoa.
  • [03:08] Mike: So our listener one of the listeners that that emailed in about this I sent the pictures to because I was I had found them for you by them and he said something similar he did he said something he replied and said oh I kind of feel bad now like.
  • [03:09] Eric: And um, yeah.
  • [03:15] Eric: Yeah.
  • [03:24] Mike: That she would implying that it was and I'm pretty sure she's of age although to be fair like the profile was taken down off of Reddit so maybe I'm not entirely sure why you you think she might have been under eighteen so yikes
  • [03:34] Eric: Oh she easily could I mean not necessarily. You can never tell with girls but like she if you told me she was 15 I would not be surprised which isn't always necessarily like you know a negative for for attractiveness. You know, not saying I would operate on yeah but saying I would act on it but like.
  • [03:41] Mike: Oh.
  • [03:49] Mike: Um, it is on this show Eric.
  • [03:53] Eric: You know, um you know when Britney Spears was 16 or whatever it's you know, no one was going to say bad things about those pictures. Um, but there was something about her that seemed especially kind of.
  • [04:03] Mike: That's true.
  • [04:08] Eric: I Guess Innocence's the right word.
  • [04:11] Mike: But she also maybe had a look that you didn't She's sort of blond Blue eyed and that's maybe not your top of the pops for you is that right? okay.
  • [04:21] Eric: I mean I don't have strong preferences in that direction I mean I'm not ah but you have definite preferences I wouldn't say it's either positive or negative for me.
  • [04:28] Mike: Yes, Keith I know likes his women with Raven hair and a chin like Jay Leno would you agree with me on that. Okay, um.
  • [04:35] Eric: Yeah, that's right.
  • [04:42] Mike: Yeah, so we'll put that we'll put the the photo up and people can judge for themselves and I apologize for not getting that up sooner. Um, so Eric you and I were talking um a couple weeks ago about this topic of what becomes of women who say when they're. 16 17 eighteen are the absolute most attractive ah say say out of a population of like a thousand or something and maybe ah, a typical urban high school what happens to those women when they were. They're 25 and I think there was young ahead.
  • [05:10] Eric: Yeah, well like like the the girl we were just talking about like what's her. What's the modal expectation for her life or where like the top 10 life outcomes you could expect for someone like that someone who's like a nine and a half or a 10 or whatever and by the way i.
  • [05:25] Mike: Yeah, and you're go.
  • [05:29] Eric: Didn't you determine that that was probably a fake profile. Did you guys talk about that.
  • [05:33] Mike: It ah got taken down from sugar from the sugar lifestyle forum she had well she in quotes had 2 postings in that forum and they both got taken down. Um and then the account the Reddit account stopped getting posts to it. Which made it difficult. That's why dear listeners it was hard for me to get you the photos. So but it doesn't matter any yeah there was a little bit.
  • [05:54] Eric: And there was no and there's no like post history or anything and you and and Keith that did Keith try to find her on on seeking arrangement.
  • [06:06] Mike: Seeking arrangement she he did not but I did because I I was so bummed out that I couldn't give people this photo of this girl I thought was so attractive and now ah has creeped 2 people out and then you're also saying maybe she's not that attractive but I disagree.
  • [06:21] Eric: Oh look. This is let's saying calling someone a 9 is not saying unattractive. But like when you were talking about her I was like oh this is going to be Natalie Portman cross with Miek Kuni or something. Ah, but no such luck.
  • [06:22] Mike: Um, with airplanes.
  • [06:30] Mike: Interesting. All right.
  • [06:35] Eric: And also disagree with ah Keith's take ah which was that she seemed especially she he thought she was obviously an Instagram ah sort of obsessive and I couldn't disagree more with that like I thought all of her pictures were very just like normal selfies.
  • [06:44] Mike: Interesting. Yeah.
  • [06:53] Mike: Okay, and yeah, yeah.
  • [06:54] Eric: like I like I Don I don't I I think she's in the fiftieth but my guess is she's in the 50 percentile fiftieth percentile of like whatever teenage girls have on their phones like every teenage girl is going to have a set of pictures exactly like that.
  • [07:06] Mike: So meaning she doesn't it's not a fiftieth percentile meaning like half the girls would have more kind of crazy social media presence and half would have less. Okay.
  • [07:12] Eric: Yes, yeah, could they weren't especially curated. They weren't professionally done. It was just like her and her buddies you know at the beach her and her buddies at the dance or whatever and they weren't you know, professionally lit or retouched or anything.
  • [07:23] Mike: Um, yeah interesting okay yeah I don't know exactly so Keith's take on this was that she was basically spent. She's someone who spent her and spends her entire life curating photos for Instagram and the like. And you're basically disagreeing with that.
  • [07:41] Eric: Yeah, and and in fact, like I'll say the the whole innocence thing ah might be partially sort of like the um ah unsophistication of her poses like they they were just very like hey I'm a happy 16 year old girl smiles. They weren't like. Ah, you know the standard you know duck lip I'm looking too too cool for school because I know I'm posing for an Instagram shot shot. Um, yeah.
  • [08:06] Mike: True. Yeah, there were no photos of her standing on a precipice at The Grand Canyon where you thought maybe she'd fall while taking it. Yeah, that's true.
  • [08:13] Eric: Yeah, and she didn't look like sultry or like you know giving fuck me eyes to the camera. It was just like she just looked like an ordinary high school girl.
  • [08:25] Mike: Oh high school. Okay, so let's let's move on from that to the ah to the um this question of so we had a couple of theories about what I mean obviously there's going to be some kind of range of expectations for an incredibly attractive woman. Ah, but I think the fundamental thing was we were wondering whether.
  • [08:26] Eric: Now. Yes.
  • [08:43] Mike: Well was it whether they basically always wind up concubines for billionaires was that sort of the question.
  • [08:48] Eric: Yeah, so my real ah curiosity around this as like just sort of an ordinary middle class guy who's not wealthy, not especially attractive. Um, you know we go through life sort of scrapping. Ah, to find women to go out with us. Um, and I wonder if there's just like ah you know is there like a shangri law where if you're above a certain net worth. Um there's this area of like you know, fancy clubs that all of the nines and tens go to or like 80% of them. You know.
  • [09:23] Eric: Jeffrey Epstein would be an extreme example here. Um, but I wonder like yeah like I wonder I wonder how many like Epstein like guys or you know guys like you know who aren't sex trafficking people but like have you know the not illegal version of that going on.
  • [09:25] Mike: Right? And we talked about bottle service.
  • [09:41] Eric: Less objectionable version of that going on but is is effectively the same thing. Um.
  • [09:44] Mike: Yes, there was a story that I told you that I'd seen on shamefully have you downloaded Tiktok by the way still not yeah Eric just recently got a new phone that is tiktok capable. He's that middle class folks. No he just.
  • [09:51] Eric: Ah, not yet and I proud to say yeah.
  • [09:57] Eric: He.
  • [10:00] Mike: He just keeps on he hangs on to his technology longer than most he's he can afford a new phone there you go but ah and by old he means 29 but the ah the ah the Tiktok video I saw was a woman describing an experience she had.
  • [10:03] Eric: Yeah, I'm not poor I'm just old.
  • [10:11] Eric: Um.
  • [10:19] Mike: Ah, when when she was sort of a um, budding actress that ultimately did not become a star but she was in her early 20 s and she was she was told by some folks that oh you know there's going to be a a party up in some hotel room with some famous people. She did not mention who it was but. All the commenters thought it was Leonardo Dicaprio and she thought okay I'm not going to have sex with this guy. But I you know as a career thing I should go up and you know say hi. So anyway, she went up to the went up to the hotel room and her claim was that ah she knocked on the door and something like 5 somebody opened the door and there was like 5 or 6 incredibly pretty naked ladies in there with this famous person. Ah and that sort of comports with this thesis that there's some kind of fantasy island somewhere where if you're above a certain range of wealth and or ah renown. You basically just. You're just drowning in naked women all the time. That's basically your thesis right.
  • [11:19] Eric: Yeah, yeah, well that's my I don't know if it ah rises at the level of thesis but like it's a question and I've read stuff on Reddit which you know again consider the source but like ah there was this post I read a few years ago by a guy who claimed to be like. Ah, financial advisor or something like that and he's like I've worked with people at like all levels of Net worth and here's my summary at like each level and at above like a $100000000 or something. He's like here's where stuff really changes and it's like every every person these people interact with.
  • [11:56] Eric: It's It's just like a beautiful woman or like a high level executive or something but he's like every part of you go to? there's nothing but like beautiful like well-educated women. Um, and um, yeah, it just makes you wonder if like you know is this? ah you know do do they manage to sort of sponge up.
  • [12:06] Mike: 2
  • [12:15] Eric: You know the vast majority of of really really attractive women and I figure they're probably right like if you subscribe to the efficient Market hypothesis right? on some level that's got to be going on.
  • [12:24] Mike: Well I mean there's a couple issues with that I mean first. Well I guess you said intelligent so I don't know that that that throws a wrinkle in the equation obviously like if being above a certain level of attractiveness kind of algorithmically. Gave you access as a woman to that kind of environment. There would be no young female porn stars that are really attractive and we know those exist. Yeah.
  • [12:47] Eric: Well, that's well I mean that's that's another Avenue right? Like if you're if you're a woman you're not guaranteed to land a billionaire. But if you're the billionaire you're guaranteed to land the beautiful, the beautiful woman or women. Yeah.
  • [12:59] Mike: Okay, so they all have an entree into that environment and then of course the issue is when they hit some age which I think for Leonardo Dicapa is like twenty seven or twenty eight then they're jettisoned and now they're not attractive enough anymore right? yeah.
  • [13:10] Eric: Um.
  • [13:12] Eric: Um, right I mean what are what I mean do you have do you have thoughts on this like have you known any like do you have any ah stories from high school or anything of like you know the hot girl from your high school wound up doing blah blah blah.
  • [13:18] Mike: So I So yeah I mean go ahead.
  • [13:31] Mike: You know I don't think that I was popular enough with the hot girls to to know exactly what became of them I went to a high school that had a lot of ah born again Christian influence at it so there were probably a lot of them where that would have limited their willingness to use their bodies.
  • [13:42] Eric: Um, ah.
  • [13:49] Mike: To get ahead in that way. Although or maybe that no one would have talked about it. Maybe that's so more to the point.
  • [13:53] Eric: That's interesting. Well I think that's probably true in our generation and certainly like our parents generation but you know as as those cultural norms have been I would say totally washed away. Um I think.
  • [13:58] Mike: Sir.
  • [14:11] Eric: From like a sexual standpoint that there's like the increasing returns to extreme wealth. Um, yeah I mean I just I think it's through the roof now.
  • [14:21] Mike: Yeah I mean certainly um, you have platforms like only fans which clearly I mean there's some amount of personality there but a lot of it's just attractiveness and and youth that are going to be compensated there and there's less and less. Ah, stigma associated with women just kind of doing what they got to do that way to make themselves push themselves up. So yeah, but I don't yeah I don't have any direct evidence of what happens here at some. It's a point of curiosity. Um, it's probably I mean but yeah, you're you're asking what the modal expectation is obviously it's some kind of a bell curve. But what it's it's different like a woman who when she was 17 was a 6 probably has a quite different life than one who was a 10 in some important way.
  • [15:05] Eric: No definitely and you know you figure some large percentage of them are just going to have ordinary lives too like they marry their high school boyfriends or whatever and just become housewives like maybe that's the Mo expectation actually like um, light like and like.
  • [15:17] Mike: Um, well I think I mentioned you the the Dallas but guide.
  • [15:23] Eric: Ah I say like yeah Anna Nicole Smith right she ended up with the the old billionaire but like she had three kids from her high school boyfriend right? It was something like that and then she became a stripper that's true. Um.
  • [15:28] Mike: Yes, but there's a generational that was ah like thirty years ago or something right? So maybe things have changed. It's hard to say yeah, all right.
  • [15:40] Eric: I bet I bet not that much.
  • [15:45] Mike: Let's move on to the new porn trope that you discovered you sent it to me. Do you want to tell us what it's called and what happens in it.
  • [15:54] Eric: Ah short. Well first of all I'm not convinced. Well I don't think it's actually a trope I discovered a porn I thought I thought briefly that it was a new genre and I was kind of excited about it. Not that I was in love with it I Just thought it's just interesting discovering new things in an area that.
  • [15:59] Mike: Shape.
  • [16:11] Mike: So it's not something you want to do I mean you do you are a and like people who've listened to every episode of your miage may vary and there's a surprising number of them will know that Eric has a.
  • [16:11] Eric: You know I thought I had completely minded out. No I decided it was a funny.
  • [16:23] Mike: Has had experience as sort of a dominant male in relationships right? This is a thing we've discussed before so this could be something that would appeal to you right.
  • [16:31] Eric: Sure although there is sort of a key catch 22 to it that I'll explain it in a second but the whatever enough forate. Ah the and I discovered this on Reddit I don't remember how I was just sort of clicking through and came across this is called ah the come slap.
  • [16:34] Mike: Okay.
  • [16:45] Mike: Come slap. Okay.
  • [16:47] Eric: And ah, and actually the way I know that it's not a genre is that when I Google searched it I just got back to the same video on Reddit instead of like a I was expecting a ah a category in porn hub or something. Ah right right.
  • [16:59] Mike: So this is I mean so in truth this is like ah two girls one cup like it's not. It's not that there there's a genre of porns where two girls eat What appears to be poop. That's what two girls one cup is right? but not seen. Okay.
  • [17:07] Eric: Right? Well I've never actually seen it but I've heard it described. Yeah have you.
  • [17:15] Mike: But this is come I think I have and my recollection is that I think the poop might come out of somebody's butt. But I think it's probably ice cream or it's There's some trick to it.
  • [17:23] Eric: Yeah I mean I heard it I've seen all the reaction videos and they're very funny and then I've heard this scrape to me and I just decided that I really didn't want to see it.
  • [17:27] Mike: Yeah I definitely have seen it I just don't remember because it's been a while I'm I there's a hundred percent certainty I've checked it out because why not.
  • [17:36] Eric: Um, yeah, anyway, so the the come slap is there's a girl on her knees sort of in blowjob position and and in fact I think it starts with her blowing the guy and at some point the guy pulls out beats off into his own hands and then slaps her with it and then rubs.
  • [17:43] Mike: Okay.
  • [17:55] Mike: Okay, so he comes in his hand and so the whole like orgasmic experiences him. She's just watching and he's just nutting in his hand and then one is he's completely done. He sort of sort of congealed up there on his hand and he just slaps it so it kind of slaps across her face and then he rubs it in.
  • [17:55] Eric: Sort of rubs it in. Okay.
  • [18:02] Eric: Yes, it.
  • [18:11] Eric: Yeah, yeah, ah you know she it's the improbably ah ah, improbable Gratitude smile like oh thank you? Very much is the standard porn star like thank you very much for degrading the thing.
  • [18:14] Mike: And what does she do.
  • [18:25] Mike: Um, but well is that improbable to you I mean you have a lot more experience than I do with dominant submission play I mean if it's the woman's not in post not um, clarity so she might.
  • [18:36] Eric: Oh that's a good point. That's a good point if if yes, yeah if you've like negotiated this. Ah and I say let me just say real quick I I specifically use the word negotiate as opposed to collectively bargained which Keith likes to misuse a lot collective bargaining.
  • [18:50] Mike: So wait wait. Let's let's double click on that so you're saying that you use the word negotiate for the way 2 partners discuss their bargaining about a sexual topic and not Keith likes to say that he and his girlfriend collectively bargained that.
  • [18:54] Eric: Ah.
  • [19:08] Mike: I don't know that they would have sex 3 times a week or whatever it is some some some term and you you take issue with that that terminology. Okay.
  • [19:14] Eric: Yeah, this is ah this is a minor pet peeve I've had the past couple episodes. Yeah Keith likes to use collectively bargained but you know collective bargaining is when you have multiple people on the same side. They form the collective that then bargains. But when 2 people are negotiating something that's just bargaining.
  • [19:29] Mike: Okay, so the the issue here is that because Keith and his girlfriend are each just one person. The collective. There's no collective. There's just Keith who's 1 person his girlfriend is just one person so there's no pot like it actually is a misuse and a misunderstanding of the term collective bargaining right.
  • [19:30] Eric: For negotiating.
  • [19:43] Eric: Yeah, that's right? So so sorry your grammar shame you there Keith but that's what you get for being gone all the time.
  • [19:46] Mike: Okay, good. So when I meet up with him. Yeah, all right? Yeah, okay so you're saying that you would need to negotiate and would would you I mean do you think this is this the come slap rises to the level something you would need to negotiate with with um.
  • [20:00] Eric: No, no, no, but my my point was if you had negotiated a bdsm type relationship and you know sort of established boundaries in that area I think the average woman if you did this too that would be it would be unlikely that she would be excited about it.
  • [20:05] Mike: Okay.
  • [20:16] Mike: Okay, I mean the okay, let's hear the downside because I think can you want me to guess what the downside is.
  • [20:19] Eric: But well that yeah yeah I mean it's it's it's sort of obvious right? It's it's the post nut clarity issue. It's the once once the semen leaves the penis like everything that happens is sort of superfluous slash revolting.
  • [20:27] Mike: Um, yeah I mean.
  • [20:35] Mike: Right.
  • [20:37] Eric: And I know I know if even if like my my girlfriend and I had talked about this and like had gotten excited about it. I know exactly what would happen if I did this which was I would I would be super excited about it right up into the micro second that my orgasm began or finished I suppose and then I would just be sitting there. Ah, with a handful of seamen thinking What the hell's wrong with me like I guess guess I'll go to bathroom now.
  • [21:00] Mike: Oh just so we can get the picture here. So ah, you're left handed right? which hand would you be holding the seamen in.
  • [21:08] Eric: Ah, yeah, yeah.
  • [21:13] Eric: You know I usually use my right hand to beat off. Weirdly I think it relates to mouse mouse usage or something.
  • [21:18] Mike: Um, okay, that's what Keith does dudes. Yeah, you got you lefties are weird I think right because you use the mouse on your computer with your right hand or left hand.
  • [21:28] Eric: Um I use it with my right hand and so I think I'm it's a similar motion. Maybe I don't know there's no good answer here.
  • [21:35] Mike: I Think most right handed wait now I don't know okay be that as it may so you ah write. So so this is like the snowballer's dilemma right? ah.
  • [21:42] Eric: Yes.
  • [21:46] Mike: You've you've never experienced the Snowballer's dilemma because you've never agreed to receive the ejaculate snowball back into your mouth I Assume that's not something you would ever want to do even when super horny right? right? but this is a ah so I call it that because the um, it's somewhat common to read.
  • [21:54] Eric: That's right, even pre. Not that that that's a revolting concept to me. So but yeah.
  • [22:06] Mike: A woman on like a sex on the sex or some other place where she's complaining because a guy wanted to be purported to want to be snowballed which is her taking the semen in her mouth after a blowjob and then putting it in his mouth. And then he changes his mind and then she's just left with the nut that she ordinarily would have swallowed quickly just kind of like percolating in her mouth because he says no but and of course you can understand why he doesn't want to snowball. It's aside from all the other reasons you wouldn't want to. He's now in post-nut clarity and it's ah a bummer.
  • [22:35] Eric: Um I I remember you? ah ah you you read a post I think this this might even be pre-redit. This was a long time ago. You ah you read about someone who found a workaround for this which was to freeze his own semen.
  • [22:36] Mike: But you're saying the comes lap would have the same problem. Oh.
  • [22:47] Mike: Um, okay, how Lord yes.
  • [22:53] Eric: And then to have his wife feed him his ice cubes I suppose Semen cubes. Yeah.
  • [23:00] Mike: Yeah, yeah, that's so much I mean that's I think that's worse than I think if I had to pick between the come right out of my dick or frozen ice Cube come I would pick out right out of my dick.
  • [23:15] Eric: Um, why.
  • [23:17] Mike: I had to pick. Ah ah I I don't know there's something like it just it it like I I'm not sure you don't You don't agree with that You think of're equal.
  • [23:31] Eric: Um, yeah, yeah I mean they're both sort of like infinitely negative. So there's no difference today.
  • [23:37] Mike: I'll tell you why? no I can tell you why because the because this is why it's It's a psychological explanation for this. It's because in normal. Yeah. I Don't always have access to the post-nut clarity mental state and so I would associate it then with being kind of close to the sex act and so i' be like oh maybe that'll be okay because I'm still horny. But the act of having to like freeze your semen and prepare it and all that is just so it means that there's all this time when I'm just not horny at all having to do all this preparation. Bullshit. And that seems much worse I think it's that and now actually I think you're probably right that in the moment I would be indifferent I would I would be 0 interested in either is correct. They would both be terrible. Yeah, That's fair point. Okay.
  • [24:21] Eric: Ah, yeah, um, it's funny I Remember this story ah sort of fondly because it's one of the few memories I have of you actually being revolted by something that's that's so rare you you genuine.
  • [24:26] Mike: How now.
  • [24:36] Eric: Ah, genuine feeling of like sexual Disgust is so rare. It's It's just rare to see you get grossed out.
  • [24:42] Mike: Yeah, the ice cube thing. Someone's storing their semen like that I can't I Just don't understand that it's ah that's something I would not.. It's yet's it's the separating completely from the sex Act. It's really hard for me to understand So Okay, so the cumslap is not something that you would. Ah, propose in a relationship. It's not you just saw it in the Porn. You got excited because you thought oh I've discovered a new thing and then it turns out, it's kind of a one trick pony and not a compelling. Okay.
  • [25:06] Eric: Right? right? Yeah and in and of itself I decided it was sort of amusing.
  • [25:14] Mike: Were you also complaining that like then yeah, it's like after you see post not clarity then you've got semens splattered all over her face and maybe other places and on your hand just kind of lame and degradation is after you not it like it's correct like for your bdsm stuff like you'd rather you want to like as soon as you not you stop being interested in integratding.
  • [25:22] Eric: Yeah, it's just a big mass.
  • [25:33] Mike: Ah, your partner is that right? interesting and.
  • [25:33] Eric: That's right, Yeah, that's right I mean I get I'm uninterested in basically any sort of sexual sexual interaction.
  • [25:41] Mike: Okay, and your sort of dominant submission stuff is purely sexual like it's not it doesn't extend past that right? You don't have her in a cage or on a leash. You've never done that right? okay.
  • [25:47] Eric: Oh right? No, it's not like Lifestyle bdsm.
  • [25:55] Eric: Um, correct correct and honestly ah just because it just sounds like too much effort like ah, honestly like because you read about stuff like this.
  • [26:00] Mike: Okay.
  • [26:07] Mike: That's true. You are a low effort fellow. Yes.
  • [26:13] Eric: And I'm always kind of baffled by it because it really does seem like such a pain in the ass. Um that I can't imagine the payoff being worth just the sort of Lifestyle commitment. It requires. It's like what's the.
  • [26:28] Mike: And what you you you mean like having the woman where well yeah, like I said a caller or having her in it. Yeah, just some sort of like right.
  • [26:30] Eric: Yeah I Just don't get the the sort of Hedonic Calculus there.
  • [26:39] Eric: Yeah, live in a cage or something or you know every decision she makes has to be like run by the guy or she has to text him every 5 minutes and you know put her plugin or whatever.
  • [26:54] Mike: That does actually seem like something that might appeal more to the woman right? because it's like this constant. Ah this constant connection. All right, Let's move on to.
  • [27:02] Eric: Can we can we.
  • [27:10] Mike: I teased at the beginning that we would talk about blowjobs without Keith present so we could so so just just to clarify for audience. You do enjoy receiving blowjobs right? Okay so you don't have a problem with that. That's good. Um, and it's something what? what would you say.
  • [27:18] Eric: I Do yes.
  • [27:28] Mike: Ah, in a typical relationship. What percentage of your nuts. Your partner nuts are blows. Oh okay, why's that.
  • [27:33] Eric: Oh I would say low. Um you mean? Okay, so are we defining this as you finish with the blow or it's solely blow or it's a blow is in ah, any part of the interaction. That's that's going to be a lot higher.
  • [27:44] Mike: That's a great question. Let's start with any part of the interaction. Okay, okay.
  • [27:51] Eric: Um, it'll depend on the partner of course but you know 50 ish. Yeah, that's going to be below 20 maybe below 10 Um well I mean not all girls are are into that.
  • [27:57] Mike: Okay, and then actually nutting in her mouth is low and how come.
  • [28:08] Mike: Yes.
  • [28:09] Eric: And um and I actually just prefer doesn't feel as good like I prefer finishing inside.
  • [28:18] Mike: Why Why is that.
  • [28:19] Eric: Um, well I think Vaginas feel better.
  • [28:24] Mike: Okay, is it because there's too much sensation like she's not able to sort of still her mouth as you would need to optimize the sensation or is there some other issue with the mouth when you reach the moment of climax.
  • [28:38] Eric: Um, this it's not like it's a problem like this is this is like the 9 versus 10 issue again just vaginas feel better and also I mean part of it is. It's momentum thing right? like if you're having vaginal sex and it's like well do I want to.
  • [28:42] Mike: Um, okay, okay.
  • [28:52] Eric: Go through all these steps and pull out and go all the way up there. It's a lot of it's a lot of steps or I can just come and you know as we as as you're aware I'm ah I'm a efficiency kind of guy.
  • [28:59] Mike: You're like it's five feet away four feet away yeah so you figure I yeah I think um obviously the ah I agree that it feels better I think I think an obvious reason is that you can do full. Pelvis to fell pelvis penetration which I think is what a guy wants to do when you finish in Pv so okay.
  • [29:23] Eric: Um, and it makes sense I mean this is this is evolved to be sort of the optimal sensation for men.
  • [29:32] Mike: That's right, that's right? Okay, so I mean we have a basic question here which is someone looking for tips for a good, high quality blowjob. It's a woman she says the guy I'm seeing is the first who's gone out of his way to make sure I was enjoying myself. First and only man I've been with to prioritize my enjoyment of his own. So little you know, whatever eye rolling there. Okay, but she says she always gives it her all and her oral efforts are always well received definitely enjoys it but she wants to do better I want to return the favor and show him the best blowjo he's ever had in his goddam life. Okay, and she wants tips. Basically what takes it to the next level. What tricks can can she throw in 1 guy suggests eye contact 1 hand on shaft 1 hand on balls. This is a topic that I couldn't really do very well with Keith because he would just say that he doesn't enjoy them in the first place and start complaining about.
  • [30:20] Eric: Um, right? and.
  • [30:24] Mike: Her not enjoying it. So so this is yeah he would have difficulty believing that a woman so you believe that a woman this is real. This is a real woman who really wants tips. She wants to provide the best experience here right? Okay, so any any tips for her.
  • [30:35] Eric: Um, ah well I think those are all solid eye contact and and I think it's sort of optional that can be kind of awkward actually. Ah ah yep pace I think is important.
  • [30:42] Mike: Um, okay.
  • [30:50] Eric: Ah, sort of a medium pace as the Adam Sandler song goes. Ah well I think a lot of girls, especially younger girls ah make the mistake of assuming and guys do this too probably more. Ah.
  • [30:53] Mike: Well okay, say more about pace like what do you? What do you mean.
  • [31:05] Mike: You mean gay man.
  • [31:08] Eric: No, no, but guys who are like maybe fingering a girl or something I think that a harder is better or faster is better and it's not or at least not for me I don't I don't know Well either.
  • [31:13] Mike: Um, okay, yes.
  • [31:19] Mike: When you say fingering you mean penetration with your finger as opposed to rubbing her clit or you use the word interchangeably? Okay, okay, okay.
  • [31:25] Eric: Like manual and manual stimulation or even oral stimulation. You can sort of you know, suck super hard or liquor really hard is sort of um out good lord well first of all, this isn't I'm sure there's.
  • [31:32] Mike: So what do you think is the optimal pace on your cock like how many times per second or minute or something.
  • [31:45] Eric: There is variance here. Um for me I like sort of sort of slower. Ah yeah, slower almost like edging type stuff. Um, ah yeah I mean why not right.
  • [31:45] Mike: Sure.
  • [31:53] Mike: Um, so let's take a long time then right.
  • [32:01] Mike: Um, well okay I find so okay, first of all I would say that like when you're on the other end of the equation giving to the woman. It's sort of known that that's going to take even using the kivin technique which we discussed last time you were on.
  • [32:02] Eric: Stretch out the stretch out the activity.
  • [32:17] Eric: So move.
  • [32:20] Mike: And people can look that up I think it's k I v e n we don't need to get into it. But even using that technique it I think it typically and maybe this is wrong. But I think typically it takes longer to bring a woman to climax this way than it would to bring a man. Maybe that's wrong though. But I think I always feel like there's some amount more pressure on me as the man to nut. Faster when when receiving a blow. Maybe that's like ah a mistake I'm making whereas for the woman I think there's some expectation it will take a while. So. There's not and in fact, like if you if she have felt any pressure. It might make it impossible so I'm curious I don't know what like what the what the timef frame when it's going slow and edging like that what time I mean what are we talking 10 minutes are we talking.
  • [32:58] Eric: Oh no, not an hour. It's yeah, it's on the order of 5 to 10 minutes
  • [32:59] Mike: An Hour. What are we talking here. Okay, okay, what do you think is the fastest you could nut from a blow if you really focused and she was doing the optimal stuff.
  • [33:11] Eric: Um I don't know I think I I think that's more dependent on circumstantial stuff like how longs it's been since the last time I had an orgasm stuff like that. Sure Oh yeah.
  • [33:25] Mike: Um, whether it was the first time with that woman. Maybe.
  • [33:29] Eric: That would probably be the ultimate plus one so well, it's just standard cool effect stuff right? You're going to be a lot more excited about a new a new partner. Um, so yeah I bet like if I went out to ah ah, a bar and met like some.
  • [33:30] Mike: Um, can you say more about that.
  • [33:36] Mike: Um, yeah, okay.
  • [33:47] Eric: Really attractive 22 year old and brought her home and whatever and she was like oh I definitely want to blow you and that would probably be pretty quick hard to say probably not.
  • [33:47] Mike: So.
  • [33:56] Mike: Under a minute. Probably not so between one and five minutes you get it done if she did well. But okay, but you don't have any like specific tips I mean I think enthusiasm's a common tip right? or appearing to enjoy it. Okay, well can you.
  • [34:04] Eric: Yeah, probably yeah.
  • [34:16] Eric: Um, yeah, that's kind of vague right.
  • [34:20] Mike: Fill in the blanks on that.
  • [34:22] Eric: Um, I'm thinking about it.
  • [34:25] Mike: Um, yeah I mean I like I think that ah I mean I think sounds like her making some kind of sound ah like right? even though maybe not genuine. Maybe she's just sort of.
  • [34:32] Eric: Oh sure. Yeah Moans of approval.
  • [34:45] Mike: Doing that because she knows it will accelerate I know when I've who maybe I was watching with Keith and I don't know if it was on the show I think it wasn't we were watching videos from the having fun hobbying subreddit because these guys video themselves was it. You did I watch those with you or was it with Keith with Keith all right.
  • [34:52] Eric: Now.
  • [34:59] Eric: Ah, you sent me a couple links and I thought yeah I watch them.
  • [35:02] Mike: And it it was Amazing. The extent to which these prostitutes I mean they're like everybody knows they're prostitutes like nobody's pretending. It's amateur in any way they're great at like moaning while giving a blow to make it seem like it's real like they're really excited about it. So It's definitely a thing that works I don't know is there anything else. You appreciate finger up your butt.
  • [35:22] Eric: Um, um.
  • [35:26] Eric: I'll say this about pacing So there's like there's a way to touch someone That's perfunctory and there's a way to touch someone in a way that's like sensual not to sound weird about it. But um, yeah, it sounds a little gay. Ah.
  • [35:37] Mike: Um, sounds a little gay now.
  • [35:45] Eric: But yeah I'm not sure how to Dan or describe this exactly you know it's it's's it's like like giving say it's like ah looking something that tastes disgusting but you know you have to do it versus like oh this is delicious I'm going to like savor this. Um.
  • [35:51] Mike: It's like the way she yeah.
  • [35:56] Mike: Is. Um, so it is like her attitude. Yeah.
  • [36:03] Eric: Something about that. Yeah I think yeah, sure sure so sort of like enjoy the experience like enjoy the contact like the the feeling the sensation of touching not not just like you're you're rubbing like the surface of a car or something. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
  • [36:13] Mike: Right Have you had a woman who rubbed it like it was the surface of a car.
  • [36:23] Eric: A lot of girls I think especially younger girls like you know going back to my college days would do stuff like that and like they're look. They're doing their darndest but like they just sort of don't know what to do.
  • [36:32] Mike: Right? They don't realize that like there's an emotional or a psychological a huge psychological component here now I think that's yeah.
  • [36:38] Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm actually I'm sort of curious how much of that effect is psychological on how much of it is actually tactile um I'm it's hard for me to like Disentangle those 2 things.
  • [36:51] Mike: So for example, if she is using her tongue like it's an ice cream cone. There might be some sort of slower more gentle motion than if she's being more mechanical on it said you? Yeah I think it's mostly psychological but be my guess. Um I don't know.
  • [36:58] Eric: Yeah, yeah.
  • [37:05] Eric: Um, yeah I mean you have you have thoughts.
  • [37:09] Mike: Yeah, people keep saying eye contact. Yeah I mean I think I I agree I think that like the it's interesting because it's I think the main tip is the thing that wouldn't work on Keith at all because if you have somebody to who doesn't. Believe it's possible for the woman to enjoy it then it's going to be sort of tricky. Um, oh how about the oh yeah, okay, so so but yeah I agree completely that basically likes perceived or believable seeming enjoyment is is ah key what about a deep throating. That something that you enjoy or experience ever.
  • [37:46] Eric: Ah, yeah, sure, not everyone can do it. But yeah.
  • [37:52] Mike: What's your experience there.
  • [37:52] Eric: What do you mean? I mean some girls can do it. Some girls can't to girls who can it's better. Yeah.
  • [37:58] Mike: Is there. Some do you notice like a particular sensation when she gets past a certain point in her throat where it Titans or something or.
  • [38:07] Eric: Um, yeah, it feels. Yeah I mean it feels a little bit vaginal where it yeah it feels just more contained I Guess which makes sense right.
  • [38:17] Mike: Right? Well but there's like some I mean there's some depth that some women have difficulty doing and then other women are able to push past that depth right? and I guess okay seeing you saying it's like it's vaginal seems right? So there's another thing like a woman could.
  • [38:34] Eric: Yeah.
  • [38:35] Mike: Due to upper game right? But yeah I'm not sure if there's some practice required there that some women are going to be just completely unable to do some people in the comments are suggesting edging I think I think generally. Like part of the psychological dimension also is not.. It's probably similar to what the tips you would have for a man for giving oral sex that like the ah, not yeah, not not rushing it if the guy feels rushed. It's trickier than it's yeah.
  • [39:07] Eric: Yeah, and like in common failure mode is like ah like a mechanical piston like effect was like okay I'm just going to Bob my head up and down sort of mechanically and repetitively and sort of aggressively and like yeah, don't don't do that sort of you know.
  • [39:17] Mike: Um, yeah.
  • [39:22] Eric: Feel your way around variety like different places you know like explore it like you're enjoying the enjoying the journey. You're not just like rushing to get to the end. Yeah yeah, and maybe she actually is hopefully she is.
  • [39:36] Mike: Like you're enjoying it. That's the key right? Ah, okay, so there's another post here which is women who do not like to give blowjobs and asking why again Keith would say it seems everybody doesn't but the women the youth. Been with and I could say something about this too. But the women you've been with who didn't enjoy it. Did you ever get to the bottom of that at all.
  • [39:57] Eric: Thinking about this. It's never really been initial like I enjoy blowjobs but I'm not obsessed with them like I prefer sex. Um, so in most long term relationships I'm in ah we have sex like the majority of the time like you know.
  • [40:03] Mike: Um.
  • [40:14] Eric: 90% of the time maybe or even more depending on the relationship and ah, um, so if a girl isn't into isn't into blowjobs like I never forced the issue so it's never really come up and if she does you know as long she does it occasionally, it's fine.
  • [40:15] Mike: Okay.
  • [40:29] Mike: Interesting. Okay, you've probably had an issue with a girl who won't swallow or doesn't want the seamen though right man and that's you just it's just a personal preference thing. You've never like gotten to the bottom. What's going on there.
  • [40:36] Eric: Yes, that's fine.
  • [40:46] Eric: Ah I did in 1 girl who would actually get nauseous if she swallowed she would throw up like 10 minutes later yeah I tried I tried not to take that per I tried not to take that personally. But yeah, yeah.
  • [40:53] Mike: Really and this was reliable like okay and there was no like similar or equivalent reaction when you did p I V you knew nutted in her vagina or other orifices.
  • [41:05] Eric: Correct but that would be weird. She she threw up every time I had sex with her. Oh yeah, no I don't think so.
  • [41:13] Mike: Well, it could be ah, an allergy some sort of a okay yeah I don't know ah women who don't like I think I think and I think in most cases women. Yeah. I Think in most cases if a woman doesn't like giving blows at All. It's suggestive that she doesn't like you because it's basically like most of the I mean basically all of the pleasure from her end is going to be from pleasuring you I mean there's no like physical pleasure. She's getting from it and so it's like well if she doesn't enjoy doing something you find pleasing. And that's kind of troubling for your relationship status in general I don't know what you think about that.
  • [41:50] Eric: I wouldn't take that personally I think it's more more about her like some girls are just on an un adventure I think this is rare like I can't say I've ever think I've ever dated anyone who outright refused to perform oral sex.
  • [42:09] Mike: Ah.
  • [42:09] Eric: Um, especially these days. It seems like a very odd thing to say um like Chris Rock had a bit about this twenty years ago timely reference there was like ah yeah, but for girl says that I'm like they still make you like it's just sort of sort of a weird sort of.
  • [42:13] Mike: Right.
  • [42:18] Mike: Oh.
  • [42:26] Mike: Um, you don't want it interesting.
  • [42:28] Eric: Anachronistic. Even so um, yeah I'm guessing your experience here was probably high school or college based.
  • [42:36] Mike: Yeah I mean I have various experience I mean I wouldn't say that I have an experience with a woman who won't or doesn't like it mostly more experience with women who are just terrible at it. You know and then and then there's like the.
  • [42:49] Eric: Ah, what? yeah can I can I You can you expand on that a little bit like do you have any? do you have any like famously or hilariously bad blow job stores.
  • [42:53] Mike: Um, I'm sure. Yeah I mean ah, well I don't know if it's hilariously bad. But I think that ah I think that the failure mode of basically her not not applying enough with the right amount of pressure. And so it's just never going to You're never going to finish. It's just like yeah you're they're just they're just doing it too gently or too soft and then it's kind of like then you wind up in this situation where it's like you're having to show them the right thing to do or beat off in their mouth or something like that. Um, so that's that's 1 failure mode.
  • [43:21] Eric: Ah, yeah.
  • [43:31] Mike: A couple women where it was just massive aversion to semen. So then it's like they're just trying to.
  • [43:36] Eric: Yeah, but yeah, like like meaning what like as soon as you start to ejaculate she like Jerks away or something.
  • [43:45] Mike: That and also ah ah then trying to yeah then trying to um, kind of know when it's going to happen and so you get kind of a ah.
  • [43:47] Eric: Yeah, that's bad technique.
  • [43:59] Mike: Earlier and earlier in the she's she's sort of like pulling away and worried about it so she has some anticipation. Yeah, it's not great. Um, yeah I mean let's see so I mean I think those are the yeah those were the main I'm not sure. Yeah I guess that like I think other people would talk about like teeth.
  • [44:01] Eric: Yeah, that's no fun. That's no fun.
  • [44:16] Eric: Yeah, there was a girl I went to college with that whose nickname was chomper for that reason. Yeah I forget I didn't yeah yeah I don't I don't know I don't know.
  • [44:18] Mike: And I try experience that. So multiple men had the and nobody told her.
  • [44:30] Mike: It seems like something that she would eventually find out and rect file that maybe she just had a very tight jaw she couldn't There's nothing she could do about it.
  • [44:40] Eric: Um, yeah I just remember 1 guy telling me that she drew blood on him. Yeah, which seems really unpleasant.
  • [44:47] Mike: Drew blood that I don't yeah would be hard to see how you do that? Ah by bobbing up and down. It's almost like you'd have to chew to do that.
  • [44:56] Eric: Oh you can imagine like nicking like the franial limb or something with a tooth or something you know if you're going fast and you bite down a little. Yeah, whatever, it's It's really unpleasant to think about? no that's never happened to me.
  • [45:04] Mike: That's true I've never had that you've never had that happen to you though I take it? Yeah yes, all right? Um, yeah I don't know I mean let's see.
  • [45:20] Mike: Yeah I don't know if I have anything else on this topic but the ah the I think through the enthusiasm and actually seeming like well yeah, giving the impression that Cg. She's enjoying it or actually downright enjoying. It is probably the key thing I think your points are good too that the yeah. The sort of specific tongue in mouth motions that are not just robotic and caressing in different Ways. It's probably similar I don't know is that the same advice a man would get from a woman I'm not sure if that's actually right a lot of times men get the advice to like find the thing that works and just do it repetitively for you know.
  • [45:54] Eric: Oh I suspect I Suspect that's not optimal like it's it's worse. It's better than being in the wrong spot and and and just staying there but you know I think sort of teasing around and exploring and doing different things are are good.
  • [45:55] Mike: 5 minutes or something.
  • [46:12] Eric: For both genders. Yeah.
  • [46:14] Mike: On the woman. Yeah, okay, all right? So we have this ah subreddit that we both actually stumbled across recently. It's called slutty confessions and I initially had this concern about whether whether this. These posts are real I think they're probably not always real, but some of them might be this one. So I yeah I thought it would be fun to discuss a few of these and of course they'll be in the show notes. So people can look at the full content. The question is basically whether these that you know it's purporting to be a woman. Ah, telling these thoughts she has and of course the thoughts are always things you could imagine a man masturbating to so there's a Literotica dimension to this but that we go over a couple of these ah the first one I have here is the woman it's a woman and I'm not going to read the whole story. But this is a woman who decided she would get an anal cream pie from her husband to be before a wedding and then slock it inside of her ah with a white crystal butt plug to keep it in and then keep the plug in her ass with his coming her for the entire wedding and even during the vows. And then she says quote I couldn't stop thinking about how slutty I was being during our first dance I whispered in his ear that I was going to be his anal whore for life I could see him awkwardly trying to hide his erection during the dance exclamation point and then when they cut the wedding cake. She said that she was desperate for a second load in that ass. So soon as they could they.
  • [47:40] Mike: Remove the butt plug and then he put another load in there which seems actually kind of gross to me I didn't that that bothered me ah this yeah well I think it would mix with other matter in there and so it would not be a great it be kind of a paste.
  • [47:44] Eric: You You're not excited about the notion of your own sloppy seconds. All oh right? Okay, stop? Yeah yeah.
  • [47:58] Mike: Does this strike you as a believable story or do you think this is just some like guy in South Korea writing things to get clicks.
  • [48:05] Eric: Ah, it's hard to say. Okay, so let's just talk about the general tenor of the subreddit I'll say first of all the vast majority of the stories are clearly false or clearly fake because a lot of them.
  • [48:12] Mike: Okay.
  • [48:18] Mike: Okay.
  • [48:22] Eric: Especially the the especially the particularly slutty ones. Ah you you click on the history of the poster and you immediately get redirected to their only fan site or whatever. Um, so yeah, this is obviously someone who is just trying to advertise.
  • [48:32] Mike: Right? Oh yes, this is a thing you've done generally you actually took some of these and you analyzed them based on looking at the the pro the other posts made by the Reddit users to see what they're doing generally right? no.
  • [48:47] Eric: Yeah that's right? and if like all of their posts are are sex posts. Um, then? yeah, it's probably not It's probably a fake account although there is the issue of someone just having a throwaway account for like sexual content or whatever. But if it's ah if it's a very short history like you know the account's only a week old everything's in slutty confessions. Um, or they haven't only only fans site I think is like Dispositive. It's like okay, they're just there're making stuff up ones that don't have an only fan site and have like ah a very short history. Like I find those kind of confusing. Um, it could be that people are just telling a story like oh I've got this one crazy story I want to tell I'm going to make a make a ah and if fake account for it. Um. And then other ones it's like their account. History is long enough that that's not really a plausible explanation and I figure. Maybe they're their karma farming for some other nefarious purposes I don't know.
  • [49:48] Mike: Um, well this ah particular one this wedding ah story one you actually looked at the history for do you remember what you found.
  • [49:56] Eric: Yeah, so ah, it it was none of those categories they had a pretty extensive history. Um, and a lot of sex stuff like there was a lot of she posted on Asians gone wild. She's very attractive, very attractive. Um, but they weren't selling anything.
  • [50:00] Mike: Who.
  • [50:08] Mike: Um, lot of photos.
  • [50:12] Eric: She never showed her face. Um, so maybe she's just Kinky like that. It's not you know, not impossible.
  • [50:20] Mike: Okay, so you think it's I mean this could I mean there's another possibility here which is like she has a bunch of pictures she puts up she writes stories. They're things she's imagined but it's not it does appear I mean she has a lot of pictures in here and I agree she's pretty attractive and it does appear that it's the same person again and again and it's across like.
  • [50:37] Eric: Yeah, yeah, that's that's another thing if it's this if it's clearly the same person person in all the pictures then the odds of it being legitimate goes way up.
  • [50:38] Mike: Ah, purative years that this person's posting and um.
  • [50:50] Mike: Right? I agree with you? Okay, so that's yeah, that's ah I think that's a good take.
  • [50:55] Eric: Um, let me ah, let let me ask you occurre to me while you were reading that story. That's hot is sort of lit Erotica Um, can you um imagine like actually enjoying that as the groom like if if.
  • [51:08] Mike: Which part.
  • [51:11] Eric: If this had happened to you during your own wedding like that's something you would be excited about.
  • [51:17] Mike: Um, I Ah no I don't think so but I mean I you know relationship's different like I think that but I think that um, ah there are certain occasions where I mean I wouldn't yeah you don't at your wedding want to be worrying that like a butt plug is going to fall out of your.
  • [51:19] Eric: Um, yeah.
  • [51:35] Mike: Wife's but and like soil her wedding dress or something that doesn't seem like ah something that would make the occasion more of a turn on it's yeah.
  • [51:41] Eric: Right? And also you know I've I've been married I had a wedding and it was maybe the single most stressful day of my life like it was nothing but getting up early. You know just craziness you know such it's a giant event that you're in charge of. And um I was stressed and anxious the entire day and I yeah I can't imagine I don't even I don't even think like we had sex that night like we were just too exhausted and I yeah I can't imagine I can't imagine interrupting in the middle sort of like right before the thing starts even where your stress is at the at the peak.
  • [52:05] Mike: Um, she might have had trouble.
  • [52:07] Mike: Um, see you might it? yeah.
  • [52:18] Eric: Like oh let's have some really naughty sex.
  • [52:19] Mike: Yeah, so yeah, the difficulty for you here is that he had to have anal sex with her on the wedding day and then put a butt plug in her. That's what you're having trouble imagining.
  • [52:23] Eric: Um, yeah, well just from a practical point of view like I I was a groom in a wedding and I can't it's it's inconceivable that that would have happened I would not have even wanted to.
  • [52:37] Mike: Um, well to be fair to be fair, let let me just double check the posting here because I'm not sure that she she's she specifies that it is actually his semen. Ah.
  • [52:50] Mike: Oh no, she did she said in the early morning before hair makeup etc. She had soon to be so husband give her a thick anal thick anal cream pie. Um, because it does that also isn't that bad luck to see the ride.
  • [53:01] Eric: Yeah, yeah I was going to say you're not supposed to wake up. Ah, you're not supposed to see them.
  • [53:06] Mike: Right? And I mean how much worse luck is it to see the inside of her anus before before the wedding that seems really risky. Um, yeah I know that it it seems like potentially a fantasy that somebody's writing. However, it does seem plausible that this is an actual woman who's writing this stuff so that's that's compelling.
  • [53:21] Eric: Um, yeah, it.
  • [53:24] Mike: And I like your strategy of going through the post history to find that out.
  • [53:28] Eric: Yeah, and there are some posts that I think are clearly ah, clearly real like there was there was one that I read where it was. It was a flight attendant and she said you know she Met. Ah. Passenger from her plane they met in the hotel bar afterwards or something she would recognize each other and blah blah blah and they had sex and it was great and good story and then you look in her post history and she is answering all these flight attendant questions and other ah other subraddits and she did like an Ama ask a flight attendant I'm like how well this is.
  • [53:59] Mike: So.
  • [53:59] Eric: Probably real and this story wasn't even that crazy which it's like yeah I met this guy at the bar we had anonymous when I stand sex and it was fun. It wasn't you know I had an butt plug in during my wedding.
  • [54:07] Mike: Yeah, be kind of cool to know which women are the ones that want to do that stuff if there was some way to know? of course if if you knew that as a guy then every other guy would know it as well and she would just be would just be like the the emoji or whatever of the or the the. Animated Gif of the woman getting lots of penises thrown in her hot dogs thrown in her face. She would get so many propositions all the time. It wouldn't be interesting. Um, okay, we got another one in here that say her. Ah um, a woman and her husband bought a house and discovered that it had a glory hole in it. You know.
  • [54:31] Eric: Right? right.
  • [54:46] Mike: Assiduous Listeners will know how much I enjoy Glory holes just conceptually I've never I've never used a glory hole a glory hole of course being a a method for anonymous sex where a man can stick his penis through the hole and he's never sure who's on the other side. Of course if you don't know who's on the other side I was like to counsel listeners. It's a man. If. You don't know who it is. It's a man in this case, they discover. They have a glory hole that would gross me out I think most normal people would be grossed out by that because it means that there was a lot of semen being spewed through that hole into probably a man's mouth and right? But apparently this woman.
  • [55:16] Eric: Um, yeah I hope they sanitize that particular area.
  • [55:24] Mike: Was really turned on by it and she got in her head The idea that she could sit in the little room that's inside the where the you know the hole points into and tell her husband to stick his penis through and and use the glory hole for its intended function and she found that really Hot. Um. That one I mean I This one doesn't seem be I don't did you find this one plausible.
  • [55:48] Eric: Yeah, in fact, it wasn't even particularly sexy. It was kind of funny ah because she says it was initially like the kid's play area and then her sister came downstairs and saw it and explained what it was So yeah I thought I mean it wasn't yeah it wasn't particularly.
  • [55:51] Mike: Okay.
  • [56:01] Mike: Um, okay, but do you think do you think you've dated ever dated a woman who would enjoy being on the recipient side of a glory hall.
  • [56:04] Eric: Like salacious it was more funny.
  • [56:13] Eric: Ah, yeah, probably one I don't know I don't know enjoy would would agree to under the right circumstances. Sure yeah.
  • [56:15] Mike: okay okay I don't think I've ever. Agree to right? That's the problem I mean so this woman is claiming that she enjoyed it and then she was so turned on by it that after the guy after her husband finished she laid down and masturbated. In the glory hole which actually that grossed me out because I figured there's just so much semen in there. Maybe she cleaned it maybe but I'm imagining. It's just semen encrusted everything in there if you had like a Luminol or whatever they do to light up to show the show the semen it would just be very bright in there. Um, but that yeah that didn't strike me as particularly.
  • [56:46] Eric: Right.
  • [56:55] Mike: Believable it. Ok you you? So you know you've been with a woman who would agree to it potentially but not actually enjoy it.
  • [57:00] Eric: Hard to say I mean I've been with some women who were into into bdsm into Kink they were submissive. So yeah, presumably they they might be into something like that sure now now.
  • [57:07] Mike: Right Is this something. You'd be into you don't care. Would you be worried it was she swapped in the guy.
  • [57:22] Eric: Ah, well now I mean I guess that that's situation dependent right? Well here's the thing like the the whole allure of a glory hole is anonymity. But if it's a thing that you've set up with your partner. What's what's the point.
  • [57:25] Mike: Okay.
  • [57:39] Mike: Right? right? now I think this is a very astute point I think this is why I too find it totally uncompeling. It's also there's a woman her name is like Iris Kincaid or something well, that's her username on pornhub who posts.
  • [57:40] Eric: Like hey let's pretend we don't know ah who's behind the door like and and just don't get it.
  • [57:58] Mike: Just repeatedly again and again and again ah milking table videos. You're familiar with the milking table group. Yeah and she just she's posted a ton I think I've talked to her about her before on the podcast and so it's your milking tables where a guy lies horizontally on a bed or and it's not a bed. It has to.
  • [58:00] Eric: Oh yeah, yeah I know who you're talking about.
  • [58:13] Eric: Yeah, it's like a massage table with a hole cut in it. Yeah.
  • [58:15] Mike: Probably would or something. Yeah for his penis and he sticks it through it has to be There has been a little enough padding that his penis can protrude through pretty fully so he might be actually fairly uncomfortable up there for him maybe like a metal filing cabinet top or something I don't know. Ah.
  • [58:22] Eric: Oh that's a good point. Yeah yeah.
  • [58:35] Mike: But yeah, it's the same thing I mean so she's down there and it's supposed to be sort of super erotic because you don't you know it's anonymous. But I completely agree that like ah from a guy's perspective I mean there are 2 things I Always think that I would be worried that something bad was going to happen to my penis. Ah yeah I mean you're just' you're very in a very extremely vulnerable position there. And then secondly yeah, like if I don't see the person I'm just going to assume it's not good right? So So the and anonymity Actually it actually makes you wonder like who for whom isn't a glory hole compelling I Guess it's only compelling for for gay men.
  • [58:57] Eric: Um, right.
  • [59:08] Eric: Um, well it's gay men. Yeah I mean the answer to that is obvious right.
  • [59:12] Mike: And why is it compelling for gay men because okay, but it's.
  • [59:14] Eric: Because you know the person on the other side is a man. It's like there's no, there's there's no, there's no realistic fear that a woman is going to swap herself in there I don't know I guess.
  • [59:25] Mike: Um, but it's probably an unattractive man right? Yeah, it seems like it likely is and the probably the the person with the penis going through the holes unattractive as well. This feels like some sort of an analog to the classic game theory problem of the prisoner's Dilemma. Glory whole dilemma where in the prisoner's dilemma like it's 2 prisoners and like there's a there's this kind of a solution to it and who who who turns the other end into the police or whatever but it's like if you have completely anonymous sex like this I think you wind up with 2 extremely unattractive people.
  • [59:58] Eric: Or or you 2 guys who are closeted and like want to have anonymous sex out of fear being discovered I don't know I mean I that subculture I think is opaque to me.
  • [01:00:00] Mike: Like it's.
  • [01:00:05] Mike: Interesting, interesting. So might be compelling to 2 guys. Okay, it's too opaque. You don't know it. You don't go to the steamworks or the the bathhouse.
  • [01:00:17] Eric: Yeah.
  • [01:00:22] Eric: Now not that I'm gonna admit here.
  • [01:00:23] Mike: Check that stuff out and bright. That's true. Even if you did you wouldn't you would not be honest about it with our audience as I would not either if ah if I had done that okay, well I think that's as much time as we have for all our topics today got through a few of those slutty confessions. Stories and thanks to Eric thanks to you for listening if you've made it this far in the the podcast this is ah episode 86 of your mileage may vary. You can give us feedback at ymmv@gmail.com or on Twitter at ymmvpot nos wyma vpod at gmail.com or on Twitter at yomemvpod. And Keith is supposed to be landing from Hawaii around now. So we're going to meet up to do the next week's episode together. Thanks to all of you and see you next time.