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Episode 9: The best pleasure machines, the allure of slapping with a different tool, do different hoohahs feel different, rectalscaping.

Team YMMV | 6-20-2018 | 1:08:41

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  • [0:18] Keith: Well, yeah, but the alternative is to be a less good lover in such a way that yeah, you want her, like, turned on, like a medium amount, right? Like, yes, this is Ah. This this goes simply is bad. Pretty quickly, I think. No.
  • [0:35] Mike: I mean, I've had this thought, though, about premature ejaculation is before, Which is that
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  • [1:32] Keith: Uh, enough of the formalities. Uh, Mike? Yeah. We've got a bunch of topics here. Is there anything you want to talk about before we get started?
  • [1:35] Mike: No, I think we should just jump into the topics.
  • [1:44] Keith: Okay, so this one about the best sex machine went pretty viral this week. It it hit the front page of Reddit.
  • [1:57] Keith: And unfortunately, the initial post has been removed. But I don't think it's important. We can still see what the subject of Post was. And that is I want to buy a sex machine, and I want the best bang for my buck. Um, what do you recommend?
  • [2:19] Keith: And it seems like this is basically like, if you have much money as you want, it seems like it's basically settled science on. The answer is it's the city. And if you're a woman and the Venus 2000 which I had never heard of before but is made by the same company that makes the city in if you're a guy,
  • [2:22] Mike: the idea haven't heard of the Venus 2000. Can you describe how it works.
  • [2:26] Keith: Yeah, so I've been to the website.
  • [2:30] Keith: It is $956.
  • [2:42] Keith: It is a quite large device, so that's what it says. Venus for Men is a high tech handsfree masturbation machine that creates a powerful stroking action. It's durable, portable, compact and quiet.
  • [2:53] Keith: Uh, the custom fit receiver also allows a perfect fit, while the remote allows you to adjust your stroke length and speed from 82 300 strokes per minute. Um,
  • [2:59] Keith: that stroke number is sort of interesting because we've talked about like the number of strokes in the past on about
  • [3:02] Mike: 300 strokes per minute is really fast.
  • [3:09] Keith: It is, I think, the most that we thought would really be like, sort of reasonable was like 1 20 or something, right?
  • [3:09] Keith: Yeah, but that's
  • [3:13] Mike: actually like a guy thrusting in and out like it's not
  • [3:18] Mike: a machine doing it and frankly, like they have those. I mean, one of the things that comes up in this
  • [3:23] Mike: topic on Reddit is a question of its with regard to women
  • [3:36] Mike: is between machines that are sort of vibrating machines and machines that are more like thrusting machines. Okay, that mimic Maur. What I mean, I assume everybody's familiar with the city and right. It's this sort of saddle shaped thing that woman could sit on.
  • [3:46] Keith: I'm guessing, like most listening to show. I have no idea, like this is not a thing that is common knowledge, all right? It isn't looks people who care about this kind of stuff, but not generally. Well,
  • [3:56] Mike: okay, it's more common knowledge in that Because, for example, I know that Ah Howard Stern has had women on his show, their videos on YouTube. That's how I know this. He's had women on a show. Coming is definitely
  • [4:00] Keith: the most famous sex toy.
  • [4:14] Mike: Yes, so basically. But I mean, I think it's primary mode of action is simply vibrating, right? I mean, there are sort of things that stick out of it, but, like I don't think that's the most important element for the woman. It's simply the fact that it's basically what amounts to a vibrating seat that you sit on,
  • [4:19] Mike: um, sort of direct the vibration and, um,
  • [4:22] Mike: yeah, I mean, you could sort of put all your weight on it,
  • [4:27] Mike: but there are also, and these I think only exist in porn,
  • [4:31] Mike: actual machines where you put like, some sort of a dildo on the machine, and it
  • [4:34] Mike: kind of goes in and out. And those machines
  • [4:36] Mike: I've seen operate
  • [4:46] Mike: like I've seen them run so quickly that you think yourself either the videos sped up or like, this woman is seriously gonna need some lubrication or like, this is dangerous, like fresh and issues.
  • [4:57] Keith: Yeah. I mean, the problem with watching these things on porn is like the woman isn't doing it for her pleasure. They're doing it for the viewers. Pleasure. And so it's unclear whether
  • [5:06] Keith: um, yeah, like having something go in and out at 500 strokes per minute is compelling at all for the woman, but yeah, I mean, I've seen that as well, but I don't
  • [5:23] Keith: Yeah, I mean, I think the general sex toy thing for women is some sort of vibration thing that they used to stimulate their clitoris. Like That's the general thing. I Yes, some women can have G spot orgasms, but I don't know if I like a pneumatic device is the right way to do that.
  • [5:31] Mike: I mean, it probably could be, especially if there's something that vibrates on the thing that's going in and out. But but yeah, I mean, I agree with you that, like the
  • [5:37] Mike: the mechanism of action for the one that you see in porn and I don't know the names of these things like,
  • [5:51] Mike: I mean, frankly, like I've seen porn's where it looked like some guy down in, like Tennessee built one himself. Yeah, just somewhat frightening. Like I feel like I've even seen one that, like, looked like it was powered by an engine is like a gasoline engine.
  • [5:55] Keith: You have to, like, pull the court like a lawn mower, get it started,
  • [5:59] Mike: and then you're talking like thousands of rpm. So I guess I don't
  • [6:17] Mike: write right vaguely frightening Onda, actually, yeah. I mean, well, yeah, the thought I've had before those it could be dangerous, but yeah. I mean, I agree with you that, like, the primary thing here is going to if the woman's actually interested in is gonna be vibration. I have to say that I have some doubt this posting was posted by a woman, I believe Is that that's right, Right?
  • [6:18] Keith: Yes.
  • [6:22] Keith: I mean, we can't really see anymore because it's been removed, but
  • [6:26] Mike: unbelievable. Yet importantly, it purports to be a woman.
  • [6:33] Mike: It was. It's the notion of women actually buying a Serbian. Surprisingly, I think Soo Bin's costs like more than $1000
  • [6:37] Mike: and it's a little surprising to me because I think there's some.
  • [7:04] Mike: There's some like, massager thing and I forget the name of it that is, You see, like recommended all the time by women to women. And it's, you know, it's probably on the order of, like, 100 bucks or 50 bucks. And that makes a lot more sense. Is also more sort of sensible in terms of being smaller and easier. It's more compact, right? You can travel with and so forth and just make a whole lot of sense to me that there be a lot of women that want to buy this large device. It doesn't make sense to me that men would think it was a clever thing to buy for their girlfriend
  • [7:06] Keith: or wife.
  • [7:16] Keith: Why wait? Wouldn't her being horrible to achieve orgasm easily without ah, a male partner? Not be something you would want for your partner?
  • [7:17] Keith: Selfishly,
  • [7:35] Mike: uh, way. Okay. I thought you were going in different places. That I thought you were going to say, Why would a guy that you're gonna say, you know, uh, why wouldn't women want to buy a civilian? Because it would work on them. You're saying that men should not buy a city in because they want to make it so there, that the man is the only source of orgasms for the woman.
  • [7:38] Keith: You sure?
  • [7:50] Keith: I mean, I think that's not what I was saying, what you're saying, like every man would want to do that. And I'm saying I don't Yeah, yeah, My statement was stronger than that. I don't think every man would want to buy your partner city.
  • [8:07] Mike: Yeah, it's not a matter of like one. It's not a matter of every man, but I think it's a mite. My point was basically that I suspect that something like a civilian is likely to be the result of kind of men fetishizing what will go on. Whereas if women had a free choice, I think they would buy.
  • [8:24] Mike: There's there's like, one of two or three that are like pretty standard ones that women would buy, and I don't think the city is in there if only because the prices much cheaper, these other ones, and I don't. I suspect that the outcome is not that different. Like I suspect it, you know that they're all pretty effective.
  • [8:25] Keith: Yeah.
  • [8:32] Keith: Yeah. I mean, art so city and is, like, 1300 bucks, and it comes in four different colors. Um,
  • [8:52] Keith: one of the comments on this thread is, I think, sort of illuminating here. So somebody says old were made head of civilian. Got it after a string of bad breakup, all partially caused because she had an extremely high libido, and they did not. I'd wake up, go to bed and come home from the bar and should be on it. She claimed that it was so good that she'd never need a man or to manually stimulate again with presidium
  • [8:54] Keith: on with the way she was on it so much, I believed her.
  • [8:56] Keith: Ah,
  • [9:06] Keith: yeah, like that would be like a potential concerned. Like, I guess I'm curious if, uh,
  • [9:12] Keith: yeah, like it, Candace, it be and be better than a man for some women.
  • [9:20] Mike: Well, I mean, I think that like in almost all cases, the effectiveness of a vibrator exceeds the effectiveness of a man for a woman
  • [9:26] Mike: like it's just it's doing a thing like you can't physically do with your hand, your mouth, your Penis Do that
  • [9:35] Keith: if you you know you had a gun to your head and somebody said, You know, you need to have an orgasm within five minutes It would be easier to use something mechanical than something organic
  • [9:38] Mike: for a woman. Yes,
  • [9:38] Mike: I mean,
  • [9:42] Keith: I think I think that's true, but I just wanna make sure that's what you're saying. Yeah,
  • [9:52] Mike: I mean, I can't obviously you can't extend that to 100% of women, and I'm right this'll woman who's on the city and all day I don't really know what honestly what to say about that, Like That's
  • [10:02] Mike: like their corner cases like that. They're people that have, like, hormone things going on. But it's not impossible, but it's just it's That's a kind of outrageous example. But yeah, I mean, I think that I mean, look, when
  • [10:15] Mike: women go to a doctor or ah, a doctor and then they're like, Look, I can't have an orgasm like the this. The advice often is to use a vibrator because it's the
  • [10:28] Mike: most straightforward. You can try with your hands, Try masturbating, Right? But a vibrator like sort of amps it up in a way that I think is extremely effective for a large percentage of women. And yes, I think that the minimum time to orgasm
  • [10:37] Mike: might, for I suspect, for a majority or at least a large percentage of women would be with a vibrator. That's not to say they all use vibrators for us to say like it does speed
  • [10:43] Keith: it up. Yeah, I That would be my base hypothesis as well. I wonder.
  • [10:46] Keith: Yeah. Uh, I wonder
  • [10:57] Keith: how many. So if there was something like this for men, I mean, I guess there is, like then could just masturbate. But there's, like a thing. There's like a refractory period that I think is different between men and women.
  • [10:58] Keith: I don't think
  • [11:01] Mike: the refractory period is relevant. It's it's a matter of like
  • [11:11] Mike: it's e. I think it's a couple things. 11 is that there are women. There definitely are women. I've read numerous women saying online
  • [11:26] Mike: that the only way they can have an orgasm is with a vibrator. So that's a thing, right? So then it's like, Okay, you know, they They need that level of stimulation to do it. All right. I don't think that's very common. In fact, I would almost venture to say that zero men require,
  • [11:36] Mike: unless you have some, like, really deep seated, like fetish or something is a man like, you know, you're pretty much men can always get an orgasm with their hand.
  • [11:38] Mike: And so we're or with a partner.
  • [11:43] Mike: Oh, sure, sure. But the point is like there's no, like so so men don't really have the same sort of need,
  • [11:49] Mike: but also, like, for whatever we like, the thing about it is like vibrating is a thing that
  • [11:56] Mike: is not possible for a man to do with his body and is uniquely stimulating for women. And there's no analog to that for men,
  • [11:57] Mike: right?
  • [11:58] Mike: I mean I mean,
  • [12:03] Mike: yeah, they doesn't immediately come to me that there's an analog. I mean, the only analog I would come up with something anal or something, like you have to
  • [12:12] Keith: come out. So I was gonna say, I think like some sort of vibration in in and around the anus is desirable for some men.
  • [12:19] Mike: Yeah, but I don't think I just don't think like that. I don't think it's an analogous. I think it's like that. That's more like a fetish or like, kind of like a
  • [12:23] Mike: You know, you're increasing the intensity a little bit, but it's not. You certainly wouldn't find
  • [12:40] Mike: very many. There might be one. Yeah, it's like, Well, we'll get an email from the one guy who's like, Yeah, I have to have a vibrator on my anise to orgasm ever e. But in general, like the vast majority of men like that's not, there's nothing like that's needed. And it's not just that. It's also like,
  • [12:51] Mike: Yeah, I mean, like, I think that, like toys generally don't work as well with the male body as they do with the female body, which sort of makes sense like it's like, Yeah, go ahead.
  • [12:53] Mike: Well, I mean, if you think about
  • [12:57] Mike: I mean, if a woman wants to be penetrated by something,
  • [12:59] Mike: then you know
  • [13:12] Mike: she could use a finger, but it's not gonna get in there very far. Summary big. So it sort of logical that you would wind up with some sort of a toy and also the sort of toy you come up with this fairly straightforward, right? Just be rigid or mostly rigid.
  • [13:22] Mike: Smooth, No sharp edges, things like that. Where is for a man like the type of toy you want? It's very complicated because it needs to be soft, flexible,
  • [13:25] Mike: kind of lubricated. It's not a straightforward to make,
  • [13:34] Keith: right. Yeah. Which brings us back to this, like, ridiculous Venus for men. Yeah. I mean, it's like there's this enormous box which I think creates pressure
  • [13:50] Keith: on dhe, and then it, like, connects to this tube that looks like it's got some sort of pressure. It's pressurized in some way. And then, yeah, I mean it. Look, it cost $1000 so it must dig. Yeah, there must be some voter in there that's causing,
  • [14:00] Keith: um, the stroking, but yeah, I mean, yeah. I mean, this is not This is a complicated, expensive thing on. I wonder if orgasms from it are materially
  • [14:02] Keith: betterthan,
  • [14:04] Keith: um,
  • [14:07] Keith: masturbating. You know, it's it's This is an
  • [14:12] Mike: interesting area, I think, because I think it's like an area that inverts the like.
  • [14:14] Mike: The
  • [14:46] Mike: kind of like, typical thought pattern that people have about sex, like usually men are viewed as kind of, uh, having sort of base or desires like guys want to like, you know, just be with a hot chick, you know, have sex one night. Move on to the next chick. Whatever that's sort of like a typical you know, kind of cliche about men and women are viewed is like having having kind of almost the opposite desires. But here's the situation. We're actually with toys. It's kind of the opposite. It's like the toy that a woman would want is the kind of very straightforward, straight to the point,
  • [15:13] Mike: typically, vibrator like Let's just get this thing done. Where is the toy that a man really wants? Let's be honest here. The toy that a man wants is actually very like, kind of almost emotional right. What a man wants is a toy that amounts to like some sort of goggles that are like a video game that shone like a three D view where he's almost feels like he's with a real woman like that's Actually, if you want to amp it up for a guy, I think you'd have to go to that level of kind of virtual reality. I just sort of interesting that, like like
  • [15:21] Mike: in this one dimension. Like, you know, men would men men, it would be like, Look, a toy just doesn't do anything. Now what? I want a real woman. It was a woman of what gets about,
  • [15:23] Keith: actually
  • [15:31] Keith: that that wouldn't be like the typical way you would expect that to go, but yeah, I think it write it like men.
  • [15:36] Keith: Maybe they need the situation to be just right to have the maximum orgasm intensity. And
  • [15:44] Mike: just to be interested. Like honestly, When I saw I pulled up the page for that Venus toy, it kind of grossed me out. It was like this really mechanical.
  • [15:49] Keith: Yeah. You watch the video? I don't know. It's not, uh,
  • [16:02] Keith: yeah. I mean, you know it. It has a thing where you can control the sort of diameter, and then you can control the amount of pressure in the speed and does all this stuff, but it like it's enormous. It is. It Is this, like, a
  • [16:09] Keith: discreet carrying case. But it looks like, you know, like the nuclear briefcase, like it's pretty big. Um and yeah, anyway,
  • [16:58] Mike: yeah. I mean, I'd be pretty embarrassing to be caught with that. I mean, like, honestly and I've read about this before by the way, on the sex subreddit, maybe maybe elsewhere to like, there is a double standard. Ah, burgeoning double standard, I'd say, in our society between women getting quote unquote caught with a sex toy and men getting caught with his ex toy like if a woman is found to have a vibrator, I think, like more and more, that's like no big deal, right? It's like, Oh, you know, it's pretty normal. Uh, if a man is called with with a Penis pump or Ah, what is that? A flesh of flesh light? Or, God forbid, one of these boxes? Yeah, that's pretty. I mean, in Yeah, that's that's I mean, that's setting aside like a man being caught with, like, some sort of thing that penetrates his butt or something like that. Like that would be extremely embarrassed, saying like, it's sort of interesting, like matter really expected, not toe not to go that
  • [17:04] Keith: direction. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we gotta We gotta fight the matriarchy here against this unfair double standard. Uh,
  • [17:28] Mike: no. I mean, I think it's a reasonable double standard because it's because men generally, I I think reasonable men men, Because everybody knows Or it's Lee widely known, that men don't really want this stuff like since early one. What's wrong with you that you want a worse? What a woman e mean. Yes, well known also, that women like in benefit significantly from these things. So, like, actually, it's like almost a view. I would view it as a positive. It's like, Oh, that's great. Do you have
  • [17:38] Keith: that? Yeah. Okay, I agree. Uh, I think, yeah, it's more of a negative indicator if there's, like some dude going through an airport security thing with the elaborate sex toy than it is for a woman.
  • [17:44] Mike: Oh, for sure. I mean, it must be What's wrong with this guy? And why are you carrying and with you? Like, why can't you just leave that at home, right?
  • [17:47] Keith: Nearly. You can't go on a trip without it,
  • [17:54] Mike: right? I mean, yeah. I mean, look, men's gentlemen's mean sex toy, as we've discussed numerous times, is porn.
  • [17:55] Mike: Sure,
  • [17:57] Keith: men yet in their hand, which is I need see,
  • [18:08] Mike: that's there's that dichotomy again, you could say Well, you could say next next time someone makes fun of you for watching porn or a woman does, you could say, Well, at least it's content. Like it's not just this thing that vibrates.
  • [18:16] Keith: Yeah, that's Yeah, that's more subtle. Yeah, I need the candles in the porn. And you just need, like, something. You just leave the electricity. I
  • [18:20] Mike: mean, she I think in almost every case, the woman's gonna win that argument.
  • [18:25] Keith: Yeah, that covers. Say, I mean, once you're in that conversation, you've already lost, but for sure,
  • [18:26] Keith: Yeah,
  • [18:34] Keith: you could try to hide behind. Um, let's go on to Ah, this next thing posted by user the aging anise.
  • [18:38] Keith: Um, do girls like having
  • [18:43] Keith: ah, your face slapped with a dick? What would you guess? The answer repeated this Mike,
  • [18:55] Mike: I I mean, I'm it's It's an area I've researched and the answer is no, it's it's actually, it's It is. It's one of the few areas and sex that appears to be basically 100%. No.
  • [19:03] Keith: Yeah. Ah, This This post had a number of responses, and
  • [19:06] Keith: they are yet almost all know
  • [19:09] Keith: Um, yeah, it's like finding a thing
  • [19:34] Mike: like it reminds me of the when I was a kid. My dad always encouraged me to try to get all the answers wrong on standardized tests because he's like, Look, that's just as hard as getting them all right And it reminds me of that. It's like it's very hard to find a sex act that everyone dislikes. I mean, they're women. You can find women that, like, uh, facials, Certainly. You look, you can find women who like pretty much every activity, but this one uniquely seems to be really a turnoff for pretty much everyone.
  • [19:38] Keith: So I am confused by this because
  • [19:41] Mike: because you really you would love to have somebody slap you in the house with a don't know,
  • [19:43] Keith: because
  • [20:04] Keith: you like anything that is like degrading. I'm confused by people liking. I'm not confused. I understand that like people get off on, submit it submissiveness and things that are degrading. But why is this like a taboo like not Taboo would like. Why is this Why is this somehow over the line?
  • [20:28] Mike: Yeah, I mean, that's it's It's a little unclear to me it seems like it would be. And look, this is one of these things that comes from porn like the women have. I've read and heard complaints from women about, like, sort of the rise of various activities as they become popular in porn. So, like facials, Brooks, for example, where the necessity of not having any pubic hair, like I think are attributed the attributed to port
  • [20:37] Mike: on dhe, this one on the u I mean, I've seen this numerous times and important, like it's you two thing you see, And you're kind of like, what's going on here? Um,
  • [20:46] Mike: but yeah, I don't know. I It does seem like it would go on the same spectrum. It's like, Well, why would somebody like being tied up or something? But not this. What's what's the matter with
  • [20:58] Keith: you? Like you like, this actually seems less extreme than some of the other things. Like, I think I would rather be slapped in the face with the dick. Then have somebody jizz on my face, for example.
  • [21:06] Mike: Well, I'm I'm I'm sure you would. I would also prefer having my face slapped with a Penis than ah, facial. So we're on the same page on that one,
  • [21:13] Mike: but well, let me try to elucidate a little. So I think I think here I think what you have is this
  • [21:30] Mike: I think from the woman's perspective you have an activity that for her is sort of the same or on the same order of, like, say, a guy trying to stick his Penis in her ear or up her nose, Right? So she's this thing that just doesn't do anything. It's like, Why are you doing this? And it's not like being tied up in this after being tied up or
  • [21:36] Mike: I don't know, any sort of submissive behavior that is more makes more sense.
  • [21:40] Mike: Those kinds of things, like it's like, well, being tied up really does something. It restrains you or
  • [21:53] Mike: their other activities where it's like a facial, I suppose, where all right, look for certain there are men who kind of get off on that right. It makes sense if the guy kind of does some wacky thing right at the point when he's nothing,
  • [22:01] Mike: you know, because he's finally amp that up. But this is like a thing like sticking it up your nose or here where it's like it just serves no purpose. And then
  • [22:11] Mike: and then I think you add to that the fact that it clearly comes from porn and you can ask her, Why did they start doing an important? And I think it's just like, you know, just some director was like, Yo, do this. People like, Yeah, that's pretty funny.
  • [22:16] Keith: Okay, so I mean, some women like being slapped, though,
  • [22:21] Keith: Um, and I Maybe there's a pain aspect to that. That's the difference between
  • [22:22] Keith: Yeah, I think it
  • [22:31] Mike: serves a purpose than, like, I mean, being whipped with, like, a riding crop or something, at least like then or uM, yeah, like that's That's like That's actually like
  • [22:50] Mike: either simulating pain or actually painful like then it's sort of like, Oh, yes, this is what pain inflection would be. But the thing is like, if you were in a torture chamber and someone who's committed torture, you, they might hit human might slap you. That might handcuff you. But they wouldn't ever slap you in the face with their dick because it doesn't even hurt like it's just stupid. You'd be like sticking your dick in your ear.
  • [23:06] Keith: It's like a gimmick. Yes, so it's not It's not. Ah, it's just annoying. Yes, what's weird? It's not. It's not a turn on at all. It's not painful. It's submissive. but it's like submissive in a way that's like, almost like so cliche least stupid that,
  • [23:10] Keith: uh, yeah, okay, All right, I think I actually there's actually understand
  • [23:24] Mike: there's another one that I've seen brought up in on the sex over it many times, which is a porn activity, and the women do it in the porn to where they will slap the woman's vagina. You've seen this, right? Yes, and that's gone
  • [23:36] Mike: with a with a hand. I could happen with a Penis to Well, let's just say with a hand and and both of them will do it. You see, women do it and the same, it's the same reaction. It's like it just doesn't make mean It's I guess it's
  • [23:47] Mike: I guess that could be painful. I guess that could be I could imagine that being part of like, some sort of submissive play, so that's true. But in generally in the porn's where it happens, it's not that it's just this sort of light
  • [23:52] Mike: slapping, as if that's going to accomplish something, and I don't think it really does. Yeah,
  • [23:57] Keith: my guess is that that would be slightly preferred over being slapped in the face with a peanut
  • [24:07] Keith: is because, like, uh, yeah, like it's an expression of dominance. That's slightly less silly, I guess. But yeah. I mean, look, you have to do it.
  • [24:11] Keith: You have to interview thousands of women to tease out the gaps here. Is there
  • [24:16] Mike: an analogy that could happen to a man like, would it be a woman slapping you in the face of their boobs?
  • [24:19] Mike: Uh, or would you consider that high?
  • [24:25] Keith: That wouldn't be a negative, but I don't know if it would be. No, I mean that. Would that I mean, that would be That would be a
  • [24:29] Keith: slight to two medium positive. I think
  • [24:30] Keith: you
  • [24:31] Keith: get the only
  • [24:51] Mike: thing I can think of eyes face sitting, which I'm sure you're into. Yeah, I think that's great. You are, no matter what. Hang on. But when people say face sitting, what they usually mean is not just oral sex performed on woman where she's on top, but they mean something that would be moving into the realm of what's called breath play.
  • [24:53] Mike: Right? We're like she's used lard.
  • [24:55] Keith: I don't even go ahead. Go ahead. You
  • [24:56] Mike: don't know what that is.
  • [24:58] Keith: No. You introduced a new term to me.
  • [25:07] Mike: Well, I mean, okay, this is standard stuff, right? Like if you okay, you know what you do know? What? Auto. Erotic asphyxiation?
  • [25:09] Keith: Yes. Yes. Oh, I see what's going on.
  • [25:13] Mike: You want to tell? You want to tell our listeners what auto erotic as
  • [25:15] Keith: people like
  • [25:22] Keith: choking themselves while I guess reaching or attempting to reach orgasm? And
  • [25:34] Keith: I believe there's there's some mechanize. There must be some mechanism where, like, that actually makes the orgasm significantly more intense because a lot of people are into it and people make mistakes. Like, I think, um,
  • [25:47] Keith: wasn't it like David Carradine and the actor, like, accidentally killed himself that way? Or at least there was a belt around his neck and he was masturbating where they found his body. Um, and I might be remembering that rock Don't quote.
  • [25:56] Keith: That's right. That's right. There. Other people? Yeah. I mean, like, people like, occasionally go over the edge. But like, this thing where, like people enjoy being choked
  • [25:58] Keith: while they reach orgasm,
  • [26:06] Keith: is a little bit different than the thing. Like, you know, I've been with women who, like, sort of being choked generally. Um,
  • [26:10] Keith: but anyway, yes, I understand. Okay, that's what Breath players. Okay.
  • [26:14] Mike: Yeah, well, a couple things about that, Um,
  • [26:14] Mike: like, I
  • [26:16] Keith: think that it's
  • [26:18] Keith: you mean, I think that it's
  • [26:23] Mike: not that uncommon for teenage boys to do this and to die like I think that's like, it's Ah,
  • [26:36] Mike: it's a It's a thing. We're like, you'll have a kid who dies this way, and then the family doesn't want people to find out. I wonder if so, They say it was a suicide, right? And it could be ambiguous. Right, man? See, it's it's gonna look like you were. You hanged yourself? Of
  • [26:40] Keith: course. What is it called when you kill yourself accidentally,
  • [26:48] Keith: man? I mean, it's it's suicide, like the gap between murder and manslaughter, but like it self inflicted, it's
  • [27:02] Mike: like, Yeah, it was suicide. And you're like moving toward, like, Darwin Award, I guess. Like dependent. If yeah, if you like, did something really dumb. This is pretty dumb, but I mean, like, honestly, I can understand a teenage boy doing this
  • [27:02] Mike: in the
  • [27:09] Keith: sense neither hormones are going insane. And if they think that there's some way to, like, dial it up, you can see them accidentally stepping over the line.
  • [27:18] Mike: Yeah, It's an example of a thing that I probably teenage boys should be warned about by their parents. A cz uncomfortable. Is that ISS? Because it's like, Look,
  • [27:30] Mike: I I suspect that it happens more than people realize. The only thing I have to say about ah autoerotic association is when I was a kid. I tried holding my breath. Your word on this tried to hold your holding your breath
  • [27:31] Mike: sort of around the time you orgasm.
  • [27:38] Keith: Yeah, I have it. It's been a while, though. I should probably try it again because I don't really remember my results.
  • [27:42] Mike: Yeah, I didn't like it at all. So I think I hyperventilated a little and then did it,
  • [27:52] Mike: and I don't recommend it because I felt woozy. And then I got a headache. It was just There was nothing good. And I was like, Well, this is stupid. I'm not This is not interesting to me,
  • [27:56] Mike: but but I did feel different. Like there was, like, a
  • [28:00] Mike: probably I could get hazard A guess why?
  • [28:09] Mike: Maybe I was able to hold my breath longer, because when you're sort of at that point, you, like, become insensitive to pain and so you can hold your breath longer. That the normal rent,
  • [28:10] Keith: right?
  • [28:16] Keith: Yeah. Maybe you weren't able to get close enough to the edge to actually achieve the positive effects. I don't know.
  • [28:17] Keith: Well, maybe very
  • [28:20] Mike: cleverly constructed sentence, but no, I'm not going to try anymore.
  • [28:26] Keith: Maybe maybe, uh, way should be careful here. You know, we're not doctors. Don't do any of this.
  • [28:34] Keith: Maybe part of the choking thing is not just the lack of air flow. It's the lack of blood flow to the brain. I'm not sure.
  • [28:42] Mike: Well, I think if you block off blood flow to the brain, you go unconscious in, like, a matter of three and four seconds. I mean, that's the problem is if you hang yourself.
  • [28:49] Mike: Um, you know, if you're unconscious, that's it. Like, unless you're lucky and someone comes and finds you. Ah, lucky slash. Unlucky. It's embarrassing,
  • [28:51] Keith: you know, depending on which your
  • [28:52] Keith: rights met, objectives are
  • [28:54] Mike: well and also just as well. It's embarrassing.
  • [28:56] Keith: Okay, So anyway, face sitting breath
  • [29:10] Mike: blow. Yes. I mean, this would be so I think when people say face sitting, look, you could debate like the particular particularities of terms But I think when people say that like, they typically mean like that she's sort of smothering you with her vagina.
  • [29:12] Keith: Yeah, I mean, it's a little bit of a problem.
  • [29:16] Mike: No, the question is whether you find that attractive. So I was I was trying to come and find out,
  • [29:20] Keith: and I don't find that aspect of face sitting
  • [29:21] Keith: additive.
  • [29:34] Keith: I find that's attractive in fact. Okay, So you think? I guess. I mean, I guess I don't really know. I find it like, annoying in the moment. But maybe if I like, you know, fully introspective. I'm sort of in Jamaica. I don't know. I'll, uh, next time there's a chance
  • [29:46] Mike: I'll pay more attention. So if you were, if you went to a dominatrix, you would if you if you were putting up like a yelp review of the dominatrix, you be like, Well, I found her annoying. She just kept annoying me. She kept hitting me and face sitting May.
  • [29:47] Keith: It's just annoying,
  • [29:51] Keith: frustrated by the inconvenience of air flow. But
  • [29:56] Mike: you don't okay, and there's no Yeah, I I don't think there's an analogy between that and the
  • [30:01] Mike: pistol whip, as they say, uh, with the Penis because
  • [30:06] Mike: they're like, there's actually like a point. The point is like, you're smothering the person a little, right?
  • [30:20] Keith: I know you're bringing it back to like, Is there an analogy between a woman being slapped with a Penis and like, is there something a woman can you do to a man that it's like, similarly weird and un interesting? I don't know. I can't think of anything. They're usually I think there
  • [30:24] Mike: isn't because usually anything a woman doesn't Their body is cool,
  • [30:25] Keith: right?
  • [30:28] Keith: Right.
  • [30:31] Keith: Like, how can a woman like, sort of, like, uh, sort of
  • [30:37] Keith: almost like humorously Damian, a man with with some part of her body? I don't know.
  • [30:48] Mike: She could, like, sneeze on you in a really gross way. Yeah, like, blow her nose on you, Tonto. But if she blew her nose on you in the middle of sex, like, let's say you were tied down.
  • [30:54] Mike: Yeah, face up. And she just was like, Now I'm gonna blow my nose on you, like I
  • [31:02] Keith: know. That's obviously it, Like a negative. I feel like I'm sorry for what I say for
  • [31:05] Keith: right? Yeah. I would just be confused. Well,
  • [31:08] Mike: there you go. See, I think that's the female reaction. There's, like, why're you
  • [31:14] Keith: think they're confused? I think they're, like, almost annoyed because they're like, I know where he got this idea. Yeah, and I'm
  • [31:23] Mike: Yeah, I mean, it's like it's like those guys who, like, nail their nuts. Two boards and stuff you like. Why are you doing this? Like, just stop it.
  • [31:31] Keith: Yeah, they put the hooks in their backs or whatever. Okay, let's move on. Um, let's see here. Uh,
  • [31:41] Keith: yeah, This one's not bad, I think, um, men, uh, how much do different vaginas actually internally Feel to a penetrating cock?
  • [31:45] Keith: Like, how big is the difference and feel around your cock from vagina to vagina?
  • [31:55] Keith: What are the variables who feel like tightness length, inner texture? I'm so curious. And can the same vagina very a lot. And how it feels your cock. So I think this is a good question. Um, this feels like a
  • [31:59] Mike: woman who would still like it. Feels like it feels like a woman who wants to dress up.
  • [32:05] Mike: She wants to, like a trick trick. A guy who's dating someone else to having sex with her recycling.
  • [32:14] Keith: I suspect I don't know what her motivations are. Exactly how they're a little bit misguided since my answer is that different vaginas don't actually really feel that different.
  • [32:16] Mike: That's what I think. Yeah,
  • [32:34] Keith: and yeah, like some guy. I mean, this this first comment, like, basically says that Perfect. Perfectly. And so essentially. So I'm just gonna read it. They all feel different, but all the same, if that makes any sense, for example, I've stuck my dick in my wife's vagina 1000 times. But if you blindfolded me and give me five different for China's, I doubt I could identify hers with just my dick.
  • [32:40] Keith: And that's, you know, that's, like, basically the most extreme way of putting this, but yeah, I mean, he's probably right. Um
  • [32:41] Keith: ah,
  • [32:50] Mike: Well, makes sense. I mean, where's the other? Just isn't that much like Anna Anatomical variety there? I mean, if there was something really unique about a particular woman,
  • [32:52] Mike: you know, then you could pick up on That may be, But there's
  • [32:55] Keith: another thing also put That might be
  • [33:00] Mike: well, there was that woman there. They're women who have two vaginas. Yeah,
  • [33:02] Mike: it's a real thing. I know to go. Yeah, and that
  • [33:04] Keith: was the guy with the two pieces
  • [33:10] Mike: that was fake. The two Penis guy was a fake. But now the two vagina thing is a real thing and like it's ah
  • [33:23] Mike: ah! And so yeah, it amounts to being It would feel different because you'd have to choose. And of course, one is not fully formed. I think. Typically you not choose that one could be painful, like you could imagine. Oh, I I'll give an example if a woman had
  • [33:25] Mike: ah
  • [33:26] Mike: piercing
  • [33:27] Mike: Oh,
  • [33:28] Mike: all right,
  • [33:34] Keith: that's I mean, that's but that's almost like the exception that proves the rule, right, Because that's not biological.
  • [33:34] Keith: That's
  • [33:44] Mike: true, DS and be clever, though maybe women should get piercings, too. It's like they could have like it's almost like braille, so you can know for sure who it is. Like in a darkened room. You're
  • [33:56] Keith: right. I mean, yeah. I mean, it's I'm not often in situations where the person that I am being amorous with us unknown, but maybe other people are. And that would be a good way of
  • [33:59] Keith: like a You know, you b k for your third vagina.
  • [34:02] Mike: Yeah. I mean, there's another like
  • [34:35] Mike: I think that generally, you see, you see questions like this on the sex of a fair amount, which is like generally both men and women will ask about, like, what is the level of sensitivity of the other person? Like part of the question here is like, Can the minute What, what what detail? What little detail of sensitivity does the man have his Penis and the answer is not very much. It's not like your hand. You can't you know, you feel pressure. You feel various things, but you can't like If somebody wrote there, like if they wrote like a letter or a number on the head of your Penis with a pen, which probably hurt,
  • [34:39] Mike: it would be pretty. It might be difficult to know which number they wrote. Maybe you could. What do you
  • [34:45] Keith: think? Uninterested question. You've played that game or, like somebody like, tries to draw something on your back, and you have to guess what it is.
  • [34:50] Mike: Yet, depending on the body part. If it's on the palm of your hand, you can do very well. I
  • [34:53] Keith: have a fingertip. Yeah, I wonder.
  • [35:07] Keith: I wonder. Like if it's on your back, it's a little bit hard. Sometimes I wonder if if on the back it would be materially easier than on the on my head of my Penis. It's hard because it's such a smaller surface area. But,
  • [35:09] Mike: you know,
  • [35:15] Mike: I mean, the head of the bay, and then there would be a difference with Shaft also, but generally, like it would be it would be tricky to like, Come on.
  • [35:18] Keith: I mean, there's a lot of nerves down there, but
  • [35:21] Keith: yeah, maybe they're not dead.
  • [35:23] Keith: That's enough for something. The
  • [35:41] Mike: reason you know what the inside of a vagina feels like. Okay, put it this way, if you would never. If you were lived in a religiously repressive country or household or whatever. And you could only ever have penises, vagina sex, you would have no idea what the inside of a vagina felt like. The reason you know, is because you stuck your finger in there.
  • [35:47] Mike: Somebody says to you imagine what the inside of a vagina feels like. The thing you think about is sticking your finger in there, right?
  • [35:49] Keith: Yeah, I guess you're right.
  • [35:59] Mike: Yeah. And it's the same thing. Like a woman is gonna think. Imagine with Penis. Feels like she's gonna measure hand on it, not it in her vagina, because in there there's, like, just not sensitive enough, and it's not sensitive in that way.
  • [36:01] Keith: Yeah.
  • [36:04] Keith: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I agree with this. Um,
  • [36:17] Keith: yeah. I mean, this guy goes on like he's like, I find the difference to be more noticeable with my fingers or telling the creases fall to the lips the size of her clit taste all things you don't really feel with your cock. Yeah, that's all right. Like I could definitely recognize the difference. Visually, there's
  • [36:22] Keith: And then I think I I I'm sure I could with my hands as well. Um,
  • [36:26] Keith: and probably taste I haven't had
  • [36:35] Keith: not enough like, yeah, like the partners would have to be. Like, I forget how things taste. So like, yeah, the partners who have to be, like, lined up close enough,
  • [36:36] Keith: But yeah, I could probably do. Taste
  • [36:40] Mike: is well used to do some sort of a taste test.
  • [36:47] Mike: Well, I mean, yeah. Anyway, I think that's right. I think there's no question there will be differences in that regard. Like smell, whatever.
  • [36:48] Mike: Yeah, yeah,
  • [36:56] Keith: I'm just not sure that, like, in retrospect, I could like, call things out that we're different in smell or taste?
  • [36:59] Mike: Well, yeah, probably. Along the axis of bad,
  • [37:03] Mike: bad or neutral, Neutral is the best, Right? And bad could go pretty bad.
  • [37:12] Keith: Don't say like I have this memory of one person. I dated being particularly tight. Um
  • [37:14] Keith: and
  • [37:15] Keith: ah,
  • [37:24] Keith: yeah. I mean, I think the normal thing there is like, Well, she was probably nervous or uncomfortable or something like that. Um,
  • [37:31] Keith: I don't think she was, but in any case, I gotta have that recollection. And I do have a recollection of one partner being
  • [37:33] Keith: the opposite.
  • [37:38] Mike: Well, let me ask this with with the particularly tight one.
  • [37:44] Mike: And maybe you don't remember this, but do you remember whether, like, the amount of lubrication was sort of normal? Quote unquote normal, except
  • [37:51] Keith: for the average good question. I don't remember, but I don't remember it not being normal, I guess
  • [37:56] Mike: because that would like my first suspicion would be like that, actually, is the Yeah, it is really What?
  • [38:03] Keith: Obviously an axis where women Very. And the same women woman, various. But, you know, based on mood or whatever.
  • [38:06] Mike: Yeah. I mean or yeah, like, just sort of how things agree.
  • [38:09] Keith: It's all musing on Niagara Falls down there. But I've heard
  • [38:11] Mike: your Penis is like Niagara Falls.
  • [38:17] Keith: No, no. The amount of lubrication being created by the woman. Well, that's actually I
  • [38:20] Mike: see. I would argue that can be that could be a negative
  • [38:24] Keith: because it makes it, uh, to frictionless.
  • [38:34] Mike: Yeah. I mean, like, look, I mean, right, if you get to the point like, imagine. Imagine if it was a totally frictionless surface that nothing, right?
  • [38:38] Keith: Doctor has, like, Yeah, there's no
  • [38:41] Keith: totally perfect and not frictionless at all. Uh,
  • [39:00] Keith: well, yeah. But the alternative is to be a less good lover in such a way that yeah, you want her, like, turned on, like a medium amount, right? Yeah, like, yeah, this is Ah, this this guy's simply is bad pretty quickly, I think. No,
  • [39:15] Mike: I mean, I've had this thought, though, about premature ejaculation is before, which is that, uh, look, sometimes when you when you first start, there's a little bit less lubrication, and then it increases over time.
  • [39:41] Mike: And and in fact, it can be the case that during that first period, time called like 3 to 5 minutes, two minutes. Whatever, Uh, for some whatever, uh, it's that that lessened amount of lubrication actually makes it feel better. And so I can understand how a guy like, in fact, if eso eso paradoxically, perhaps a solution for premature ejaculation would be to use lubricant,
  • [39:45] Mike: decrease sensitive sensitivity. Yeah, or sensation. I mean,
  • [39:49] Keith: this is an interesting thing that I had not really considered in the past that, like, you just
  • [39:54] Mike: never noticed. You've never noticed that before. Like sometimes. Like the beginning. There's also an element.
  • [40:01] Keith: I definitely noticed it like now that you mention it. But I haven't thought about it like with respect to ah,
  • [40:08] Keith: how quickly I'm gonna orgasm or like, the sensation. It's just something that I would I would note, I guess,
  • [40:10] Mike: Yeah, I mean,
  • [40:12] Mike: sometimes, like the very beginning.
  • [40:15] Mike: It's like,
  • [40:17] Mike: you know, difficult to not know.
  • [40:32] Keith: I wonder if people disagree. And, like, I wonder if some people think that, like different vaginas, like, feels really different. Like do some people have, like, are there vagina Somalia's who have really sensitive penises and can, like, tell esoteric differences between vaginas?
  • [40:36] Mike: No, but I think that people I think this is an area where people
  • [40:49] Mike: are gonna decide. Yeah, they're gonna They're gonna come up with some B s thing. Um, I mean, look, there could also look Okay. Uh, have you ever fisted a woman?
  • [40:54] Mike: Um, with your fina stuck your fist in her vagina? Why do you ask?
  • [40:56] Mike: It doesn't matter. I
  • [40:59] Mike: know I have in years water.
  • [41:13] Mike: Let's say that you do that for five minutes and then right after I'm not suggesting that it permanently changes our savory right after. Then you start having sex, you will notice that it's not, You know, it's changed the configuration of things a little bit. Sure.
  • [41:24] Mike: So So, I mean, you know, it's not that it's impossible for it to be different and yeah, I mean, like, you could have somebody who's like, Really, Maybe somebody was, like, physically, really small or,
  • [41:38] Mike: um who, like, is nervous or something. So their muscles really contracted. You know, you could imagine that. Yeah. Role in making it different, I think, like I think the variants like I think the variance of that stuff is much less than the variance. Like, for instance, of Penis size of men.
  • [41:45] Keith: Sure, somebody's but like what you're saying is like there's almost more variance in the same vagina than there is a cross vaginas.
  • [42:03] Mike: I think that there's probably I don't know if it's more, but I suspect that it's like, Well, look, I mean the fact that I mean, actually, definition that has to be true because if you had sex, God forbid no one should ever do this. But if right after a woman delivered a child, you had sex with her, which never never happened for a lot of reasons,
  • [42:06] Mike: Uh,
  • [42:17] Mike: that would be that would be sort of like the maximum, right? I mean, that would be, you know, there's just no a setting aside the fact that there's a lot of problems with that, right? But I'm just like, that's maximum distension.
  • [42:24] Mike: It would just be totally like, What are you doing like this makes this setting aside all the other things, just like the physicality wouldn't work either.
  • [42:26] Mike: And so you know that that's, like a possibility.
  • [42:36] Mike: Um, yeah, but so going to your point to the point you were making so that you know that the variability for an individual woman is much larger than the variability between work. Given that
  • [42:38] Keith: fact, right? I mean, right, possibility.
  • [42:47] Keith: So you okay? All right. We agree on this. Uh, What's next? Well, okay, this is
  • [42:57] Keith: this is all right yet we can go through this. All right, So, um, this person wonders, Can guys tell the difference between entering a vagina versus anise during sex?
  • [43:01] Keith: Yes. Yeah. I mean, I'll decide. Right? I'm really
  • [43:05] Mike: going. Yeah. No, no. Do you read it? Because there's there's more to it than that. Yeah.
  • [43:20] Keith: Yeah. Recently me 19 year old female. So you knew was gonna be somebody. Young and my sexual partner, 20 year old male have started having sex. I often find myself having to tell him he is positioning to after the wrong hole. I would expect him when I expect him to be looking to enter my vagina
  • [43:28] Keith: when I say often, I mean nearly every time he has to put his dick in past the initial entry. It's just normal during sex. No two guys often position themselves with wrong
  • [43:30] Mike: hole.
  • [43:38] Mike: Well, there is that whole there is that whole all virtually mim on the sex over about it being lower than you think. It's gonna be all right.
  • [43:39] Keith: Yes. Yes, Yes, because
  • [43:46] Mike: men assume that when before they've had sex for the first time, they tend to assume that the vagina is in the same
  • [43:49] Mike: place. On the body is the Penis, which it's not. It's
  • [43:50] Mike: more in the middle,
  • [43:54] Keith: I think. You know, initially, I expected it to be more front facing
  • [43:59] Keith: downward facing. So these guys were young. So I'm guessing that's just what's going on here.
  • [44:04] Mike: This is the opposite. This is a guy who's like, maybe he's read the section
  • [44:12] Mike: right. He's like, Look, it's got to be lower than I think cause that's what everybody's, that's what What's the key thing? Like said? So I'm just gonna go all the way to Brown Town here,
  • [44:29] Keith: right? Well, that's what he doesn't think he is. It is it against. I mean, I'm gonna keep reading this just cause it's like, mildly amusing. There a couple of factors to consider here she goes on Man's half blind in the dark. He said all he could make out of me during sex is a dark blub and proceeded to accidentally poked me in the eye, trying to find my face,
  • [44:43] Keith: too. I don't know how many sexual partners whose head before me he has had them. So maybe he's just an experience not used to the different feelings. Yes, three wasn't very wet going into it. We went straight for it with barely any foreplay. Could this be what's making the difference?
  • [44:53] Keith: I realize I'm making a sound like two goofs in some bed portal comedy, but I'm asking because I generally don't know if this is common. If you genuinely confuses the two or if he wants to experiment with anal sex and I'm stopping him unknowingly,
  • [45:09] Keith: she does Go on here, um, to say something. Yeah, they're supposed to getting some comments about there being a lack of consent were very much in a consensual relationship. I ask if he's trying Anil, I'm not asking if he's trying to force it on me. I've told him in the past that if he ever wants to try anything to try it, because I'm open to experimentation.
  • [45:13] Keith: So, yeah, he's not like trying to, like, anally raped her here. Um,
  • [45:19] Keith: well, that's a relief. Yeah, uh, I think he's just I think it's just clumsy, right?
  • [45:21] Keith: Um, no, I think it's
  • [45:26] Mike: possible that he wants to. Not a Nelly rape her, but he works. It's going to be clumsy.
  • [45:34] Mike: It's possible that he has an interest in that direction and is,
  • [45:38] Mike: yeah, he's being clumsy, not physically but clumsy. Emotionally and mentally.
  • [45:41] Mike: He's being a clumsy communicator. Yeah,
  • [45:42] Mike: of his desire,
  • [45:47] Keith: right. But, I mean, I think we both agree, Like look, uh,
  • [45:50] Keith: entering an anise like that takes more effort
  • [45:55] Keith: like it would be hard to be. It was hard to be. It would be hard to do mistakenly.
  • [46:11] Mike: Well, I mean, I would say that there's some information not on the record here. I mean, you you nowadays see these women purportedly I don't I don't know if there's, like, a real thing. I mean, so 10 years ago, you know, you would see porn, and I actually got to an argument someone about this because I said
  • [46:13] Keith: Bronze Age of porn. Yeah,
  • [46:29] Mike: Yeah, I I said to him. I said, Look, ah, women don't love the idea of men looking at their butt holes during sex like this is just the thing. They don't love it, and he's like, No, they don't care. There's no standard of beauty for butt holes. That's what he said I was like, All right, well, come to find out the life
  • [46:31] Keith: of a topic about this, but go on
  • [46:47] Mike: you. In the last couple years, you're starting to see a lot of porn, particularly Amit. Amateur porn, where women have butt plugs with, like, little jewels on them sticking out instead of their butthole. So now you get it's like there's a Jul there. Okay, that's relevant to this Because
  • [47:03] Mike: you never know. Nowadays, like maybe these women are wearing butt plugs all day to sort of get themselves ready. And in that case, I Then I think you could have a genuine confusion because it would be Maur. You'll be larger. Give me more open. That's what I'm looking for. Yes,
  • [47:08] Mike: in this case, No, but I think the like You could have a genuine the other thing. That would be hard to
  • [47:11] Keith: tell, just from the lubrication difference.
  • [47:25] Mike: That's what I was gonna say. Yeah, I would think, Although if you're if he's if he hasn't yet entered her, then yes, but if he has any sort of repositioning himself, well, then there's gonna be a lot of lubrication all around and in my e mean
  • [47:32] Keith: yeah, I mean, you're you're manufacturing a fairly complicated case here, but, you know, I guess it could happen.
  • [47:41] Mike: Well, I'm just saying like it's possible in this case. No, that's not what's happening. It's either he's just fumbling around or he's genuinely interested in. So I'm sure she got the response on this question of like, Why don't you just ask
  • [47:45] Keith: him?
  • [47:47] Keith: Oh, yeah,
  • [47:51] Keith: she probably won't, but hopefully she does. She posted on here. That's a good start.
  • [47:56] Mike: I like the fact that, um, harkening back to our previous
  • [48:01] Mike: topic. It sounds like this guy did actually try to stick his Penis in her nose.
  • [48:02] Mike: So,
  • [48:11] Keith: yeah, it's not clear whether she was poked in the eye with a finger or something else, but, um, out fair point. Yet we should ask her
  • [48:13] Keith: if, uh,
  • [48:15] Keith: yeah, that was similar.
  • [48:49] Keith: Yeah, well, let's do Let's do the Let's do the Harry crack one, just cause we're sort of close. So Isa woman's Harry cracker turn off. I have a bit of a question over the last month at to one night stands expressing the possibility of a friends with benefits situation before sex. Both ghosted me afterwards. Is there anything I did wrong. The thing is, I'm a woman and I have a hairy asshole. Both times I suggested to do it in doggy style. Is that an issue? Should I shave? So the reason why I wanted to bring this up was I didn't know that asshole shaving was really a thing, did you?
  • [48:51] Mike: Yeah, sure. I mean, why don't
  • [48:52] Keith: you think
  • [48:55] Keith: How do you like mechanically do it?
  • [49:00] Mike: Well, I mean, we're both familiar with the classic Reddit tale of the man in
  • [49:01] Keith: the shape.
  • [49:09] Keith: It's Craigslist, Craigslist, the best of Craigslist, in fact, I mean, it's like one of the original best of craigslist. It's like, you know, 20 years old or something.
  • [49:14] Mike: Okay, Uh, it's been floating around a long time. And so I mean, obviously,
  • [49:22] Keith: I thought that was the beginning. In the end of that conversation, like everyone knows about that, everyone knows not to do it. So but apparently not, apparently. Yeah, Yeah, apparently.
  • [49:35] Mike: Definitely. I mean, you must have known it was the thing that was done, because women aren't all going to be born with completely hair free anuses. And yet in porn and whatnot, they are carefree. So maybe it was an
  • [49:37] Keith: environment to be a porn star.
  • [49:43] Mike: No, they just get it waxed or whatever, right? Or show me. Shave it. I mean, yeah, it's gonna be
  • [49:51] Mike: some amount of effort, but, I mean, look, I mean, shaving down there is gonna be tricky regardless, right? It's not the easiest thing to dio.
  • [49:58] Keith: Yeah, well, and the skin is not perfectly smooth there either. So you can imagine something getting caught in the razor.
  • [50:09] Mike: Absolutely. Like you could cut yourself. You could, Uh um you could give yourself, like, a rash. Know me like you have to keep passing over the same area of skin again and again you get
  • [50:12] Mike: That's not where you want a rash.
  • [50:13] Mike: Yeah. Look, it's not like a
  • [50:28] Mike: I mean, it's a your women complain or should come and or should complain about this like, it's a lot of effort that women have to go to go through Thio, accomplish this sort of standard of beauty that has been imposed upon them by porn, of all things.
  • [50:35] Keith: So do you think that women are generally correct to be a little bit self conscious about their assholes?
  • [50:44] Mike: Yeah, because I mean, for the same reason that they're self conscious about all these other things that are relative. That now this woman Is it true that this woman
  • [50:53] Mike: is having guys bail out? Because of that? It's possible. I have to say it's possible. I mean, you think it's possible, right? Yeah, I d'oh,
  • [50:57] Mike: um, but generally, like I
  • [51:00] Keith: mean, it's lame, but like, I think it's possible.
  • [51:29] Mike: Yeah, I generally think that the hidden variable I I don't know what the hidden variable for ghosting when a woman goes semanas that it gets more complicated. Yeah, um, maybe, like, maybe there's some hidden variables like an example Could be height. Like I think height is sometimes. And when I see hidden variable, what I mean is like the thing the woman just won't just come out and say she doesn't want to hurt your feelings or whatever silly. It's like height would be an example, like, she goes to you because you're five foot five and like, she's not gonna say it to you. But that's the reason that there could be other ones
  • [51:39] Mike: that I think there are other ones for women. When men ghost women, I think the hidden variables it doesn't have to be, but I think that more than half the time I think it's attractive, ms
  • [51:42] Mike: Yeah, which is either going to be
  • [51:50] Mike: beauty or wait. And I think wait a lot of times is what it is. I I am interested in your opinion on that, but I think that, like a lot of times, women get kind of
  • [51:55] Mike: kind of confused about this. And it's like, Look, probably just doesn't want to tell you that he's not attracted to you.
  • [52:01] Keith: Yeah. I mean, there could be other women involved as well. So, you know, they might may have been jumped
  • [52:02] Mike: in the queue or whatever.
  • [52:06] Mike: Maybe, but I mean, like, I think that a lot of especially,
  • [52:12] Mike: um, on things like tinder or whatever she is. She says, in this case, it was an f W B things.
  • [52:12] Mike: They
  • [52:18] Keith: were both one night stands expressing the possibility of a friends with benefits situation. I mean,
  • [52:19] Keith: yeah,
  • [52:21] Mike: yeah. And here, like I can put
  • [52:27] Keith: the bar for an acceptable one night stand is probably lower than like the bar for someone someone would date anyway.
  • [52:29] Mike: Yeah. I mean,
  • [52:33] Mike: yeah, I'll play the chroma Ginny here and say that Ah,
  • [52:50] Mike: when a woman comes on and says she wants a friend with benefits. Okay, Yes, they're women who are, like in a PhD program, and they don't have time or they're just working all the time at their job. None of time. They just want to do that. Okay, fine. But I think that a lot of the times and a lot of the times I think when a woman,
  • [53:00] Mike: I think the women typically don't want a friend with benefits. And I think the reason that women are driven to that has to do with getting a lot of rejection, which I think, sadly has a lot to do, often with attractiveness.
  • [53:05] Mike: And so they're sort of like they can't. It's difficult for them to get. Yeah, it's
  • [53:08] Keith: hard to regress for all the very best here. Yeah,
  • [53:12] Keith: yeah. I don't know if it was her Harry crack or something else, right?
  • [53:23] Mike: Well, just the fact that she say the fact that she's saying that she wanted a friends with benefits situation actually makes me not suspicious, but makes me sort of like, Oh, it makes me worry about that. They're like, Oh,
  • [53:26] Mike: she's already put herself in a bucket where it's kind of tricky.
  • [53:27] Mike: Um,
  • [53:38] Mike: yes. My reaction would be a little bit different if she was like, Well, I was tryingto have a serious relationship, and somebody bailed out for a seemingly bizarre reason. You know, it goes to her.
  • [53:38] Mike: Yeah,
  • [53:43] Keith: right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't think there's anything else to say about that. Um,
  • [53:52] Keith: okay, here's another one. This guy claims he's been having sex wrong his whole life on dhe. I thought this was interesting, because I'm not sure, actually,
  • [54:16] Keith: I guess I understand what he's saying, but okay. I'm curious what you think. Okay. Says guy here, this is a minor detail that I overlooked and has probably led to some level of erectile dysfunction for me. I always flex my dick when I'm in her. I never know. I never knew that it's way better to just relax that muscle. All flexing does is make you finish way too quickly. Been doing it wrong for years. And I'm so happy that I've had this moment of Nirvana. Mind blown.
  • [54:23] Mike: Yeah. And you you were sort of confused in the in the notes for the show. Here. You were confused about what he even means by that, right?
  • [54:25] Keith: Yeah. What does he mean, flexing?
  • [54:27] Mike: Well, you know that it's the PC muscle, right?
  • [54:36] Keith: He just keeps it constantly flexed. Yeah, that's right. Does he think that that keeps him harder or something?
  • [54:42] Mike: Yeah. Maybe he like it was understood from this apprehension that, like, he would lose his erection if he didn't do that. Although that's
  • [54:47] Mike: that. It's almost like a troll post in the sense it's like, Can you imagine? Like
  • [54:56] Mike: he never once considered like, Hey, let me just see what happens if I un flex it for a while. I'm masturbating for, like, a minute, and then he's like, Oh, yeah, it stays erect.
  • [54:57] Mike: Yeah, you would?
  • [55:03] Mike: Yeah. I don't know. Have you? Have you ever done this? Have you ever consciously flex it for a long period time?
  • [55:10] Keith: Yeah, I think so. During sex, I don't know about a long period of time.
  • [55:10] Keith: Uh what
  • [55:14] Mike: what situations do you flex it?
  • [55:14] Mike: I
  • [55:17] Keith: don't know, uh,
  • [55:26] Keith: to show. Yeah. I mean, if you're if you're, like, going slowly or something, you can do it just to remind them that you're there. You can,
  • [55:28] Keith: uh, some people in this
  • [55:32] Mike: Can you explain what that means when you mean remind them that you're there.
  • [55:36] Keith: It's just, you know, it's like waving hello or something.
  • [55:41] Mike: What? You mean like because she's you? Because she's going to feel that you did that
  • [55:46] Keith: right? Right? Exactly. All right. Um,
  • [55:54] Keith: some people talk about here. This guy says, often flexing while inside can stimulate a woman's G spot.
  • [55:56] Mike: I don't believe that.
  • [56:00] Keith: I'm certainly skeptical because
  • [56:03] Keith: okay. Yeah, like how much movement can you achieve by flexing
  • [56:06] Mike: very little. I think I think that
  • [56:18] Mike: it seems like it will. It will increase the diameter a little bit for a very short period of time. Like, in other words, it somehow like traps more blood in there for a little while. And then like, it seems like it goes,
  • [56:19] Mike: I guess up
  • [56:30] Mike: a little bit like it creates like an upward force. But it's not very much forces like, way less than you could do If you just like, put your hand down there and push up on your Penis like that would be, you know, six times,
  • [56:34] Keith: right? Yeah, like it's such a minor effect. It's hard to imagine it.
  • [56:42] Keith: Um, maybe if someone's like right close to the edge, and then you do it perfectly and powerfully. I know. Another guy says it feels good for me if I pulsate it.
  • [56:44] Keith: I can keep flexing it, though,
  • [56:49] Keith: and not come faster. I've pretty good control on when I bust.
  • [56:52] Keith: This is really articulately written here.
  • [56:55] Keith: Um, pulsating it,
  • [56:58] Keith: huh? I feel like the maximum,
  • [57:00] Keith: actually,
  • [57:09] Keith: just trying now. Like like the the frequency of my pulsation. I don't know. I don't know if it would be fast enough to be interesting to the woman.
  • [57:16] Mike: I'm positive it wouldn't, cause you have to do, like, back to the vibrator question. You'd have to actually be able to generate vibrations for to be relevant. I mean,
  • [57:18] Keith: right, right. Like
  • [57:23] Keith: maybe slightly faster than once per second. Like flexing it on flexing.
  • [57:29] Keith: Maybe I could do faster than that anyway. Yeah, not fast enough to be to be compelling.
  • [57:34] Mike: Yeah, Look, this is one of the reasons why it's tricky for a man or a woman to fake an orgasm
  • [57:47] Mike: because it's like if if people know what anatomically supposed to happen during an orgasm, it's like you're supposed to have this flexing. And my recollection is like the the, uh, contractions are, like half a second apart.
  • [57:55] Mike: And that's actually kind of that's to a second. Right? So it's a little tricky. I mean, you can write. You do, but it's sort of requires some real effort. Yeah.
  • [57:56] Mike: Um,
  • [58:17] Keith: yeah. Okay. All right. That's enough on that. Uh, let's do one more thing. Person asks how much masturbation is too much. I 20 year old female seemed to have a really high sex drive to the point where I masturbate, like, three times a day. It's a city in woman. Yeah, once in the morning and twice at night sometimes maybe during the day. I feel like I'm horny all the time and I feel really ashamed of it.
  • [58:31] Keith: I feel like girls with high sex drives are looked down upon us. My friends claim they have never even masturbated and find it disgusting. My masturbating too much. Is there any way to reduce how turned on? I am. I do understand. This is an odd question. So please don't embarrass me for it.
  • [58:33] Keith: Um,
  • [58:37] Keith: so first off, she shouldn't be embarrassed by this.
  • [58:39] Mike: Now, let's Let's embarrass her for it.
  • [58:44] Keith: Oh, that's so many. You shouldn't be doing that. You're not pure. Well, there is an
  • [58:53] Mike: element of like, I mean, I'd like to know, like, how much time she's spending on this because, you know, at some point, it's like, you really should do some other stuff, right? And it's like, I
  • [58:57] Keith: mean, I remember when I was a teenager, like it could be distracting,
  • [59:05] Keith: and it was probably not, You know, it wasn't operating at peak intellectual capacity because of my, like, compulsion to be masturbating Constant.
  • [59:13] Mike: What was your weight did? What was your kind of frequency as a teenager? I mean, are we talking like you're kind of similar to that three times a day?
  • [59:14] Keith: Some days you're
  • [59:16] Keith: What was that? Typical?
  • [59:25] Keith: Uh, no, that would mean I You know, I I think I probably I don't know what my record is. Um, but more
  • [59:26] Mike: minutes for you
  • [59:29] Mike: eyes it more. There's your record more than five.
  • [59:34] Keith: My record with someone is higher than my record solo,
  • [59:37] Keith: which I'm pretty proud of. I don't Maybe that's true for everybody.
  • [59:40] Mike: What's your record with someone?
  • [59:42] Mike: Um, I'm
  • [59:44] Keith: not sure
  • [59:49] Keith: if I'm comfortable sharing that with with this audience. Is it double digits?
  • [59:52] Keith: Uh, no within a 24 hour period. Now.
  • [59:55] Keith: All right. Uh,
  • [59:57] Mike: you know, you realize that you double
  • [60:00] Keith: digits is
  • [60:04] Keith: I mean, I'm sure. I mean, I know people claim double digits, but
  • [60:06] Keith: I'm a little bit suspicious about, like,
  • [60:09] Keith: you know what the last one was like.
  • [60:13] Mike: You can Well, absolutely. I mean, but the last seven would be pretty bad.
  • [60:20] Mike: But, you know, you could you could definitely amp up that number by engaging fully engaging the Coolidge effect that is
  • [60:22] Mike: doing having with multiple women.
  • [60:27] Keith: Yeah, like I'm like the pharaoh of Egypt and, you know, you get another,
  • [60:34] Keith: you know, a person once every half an hour. Like it would be interesting to see what the what the like physical limit is.
  • [60:39] Mike: It would definitely up it. I mean, you could you get more out of that. And if he
  • [60:51] Mike: and actually, no, I think about it, like I'm not sure that the notion that you're partnered record would be higher or something be proud of, because, I mean, it strikes me that that actually would be easier, right?
  • [60:53] Mike: Well,
  • [60:56] Mike: sure, because I think that like,
  • [61:21] Mike: yeah, I mean, I just don't know what would motivate you. Okay, let's let's just say for sake of argument that your pocket partner record was seven. Sure doesn't matter what it is. Actually, uh uh, I don't know what would motivate you, I guess. Money or to me, if you had a bet. But like, if you had to go for that eighth Young? Yeah. By yourself. Yeah. I just don't know. What What would your motivation be? It's like, why, like itself with a partner? There's a moderation.
  • [61:27] Keith: It's like, uh, you know what? Why don't people try to beat their running times?
  • [61:35] Mike: Yeah, I guess. But I mean, like, where does that end like? I mean, you're gonna be like, you're like, OK, I gotta go for 39 today, right? Right.
  • [61:36] Mike: You see, my
  • [61:38] Keith: point is that we just drifted to be better, right?
  • [61:42] Mike: With a partner. There's, like, a built in motivation. It's like,
  • [61:43] Mike: you know, there is no there there, you
  • [61:47] Keith: know, I think my argument is that, uh,
  • [61:54] Keith: with such a like bizarre event like this, you might be able to achieve more variety
  • [62:01] Keith: and therefore lower with the Coolidge effect with porn rather than with the partner. The right combination might be some combination of both.
  • [62:05] Keith: Well, the right combination Is someone new every time? Obviously, no.
  • [62:06] Mike: Yeah, that's wrong,
  • [62:09] Keith: right? Given, like real world constraints,
  • [62:15] Mike: it would be interesting to see what the most times any guy has ever achieved. I bet it's, like, 50 or something. I bet there's a guy that's
  • [62:17] Mike: been able to Really?
  • [62:26] Mike: Yeah, you're You're probably right. Some guy with this, um tantric bullshit. And he's just he's just there in the zone, like cranking them out again and again.
  • [62:30] Mike: Yeah, this'll girl like I mean, I think like it.
  • [62:38] Mike: You know, someone like this has to be like a real outlier. I think I read this threat and like, or a related threat and
  • [62:40] Keith: well done, huh?
  • [62:48] Keith: I mean, I've met women who claim they masturbate every day, sometimes multiple times a day.
  • [62:57] Keith: Of course. I mean, like, I'm not sure how much of all their shoes I don't know what, like the averages amongst, like, people who are honest about discussing this.
  • [63:02] Mike: I think the average for women is believed to be significantly lower than from that, for example.
  • [63:07] Keith: Definitely. Yeah, I totally agree with that. But amongst, like,
  • [63:15] Keith: I don't know, like sex positive non religious people who haven't had, like, some sort of, like, weird
  • [63:28] Keith: shaming in their life on dhe, just like men like, doesn't matter like that. No amount of shaming or whatever can like. I mean, I mean, it can, but generally, like, men's impulses, is so strong that they just do what they want.
  • [63:35] Keith: But yeah, women, for whatever reason, seemed to be a little bit more susceptible to that kind of shaming. And so, yeah,
  • [63:41] Keith: I'm not sure what, like the meaning medians would be amongst, like, you know, maybe the top
  • [63:47] Keith: 10th percentile of both men and female A died, or I don't know that my suspicion is that men
  • [63:48] Keith: do more, but
  • [63:49] Keith: not one
  • [64:03] Mike: 100. You're saying, like in the in the very highest percentile. Like, how do they compare? Yeah, yeah, they're like, I don't know. I mean, but it would be a more rarefied percentile for women, you know, like you have to go to a really Well, to be fair of the sex. Separate is a
  • [64:05] Keith: Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Art. Our
  • [64:06] Mike: sample here is weird,
  • [64:16] Mike: but yeah, the part of the threat that I read this writer related threat that was interesting and relevant is apparently like,
  • [64:33] Mike: it doesn't surprise me, Uh, particularly teenage girls or very young women, Um, tend to lie about this. And so she probably, you know, is being told by our friends that they don't masturbate it all and so on and so forth. And so she's like perceiving herself as
  • [64:53] Mike: even more of an outlier than she is, although to be fair, she is certainly an outlier in what she's doing there. The other thing I would worry about that I would like counsel her is like, you know, you want to avoid, like, death, grip or whatever. So, like, what she's doing might actually make it hard, harder toe, like do things partnered because particularly, I don't know what I don't know why. Well, I can imagine it, but
  • [65:03] Keith: this is not gonna go over well with a liberal audience. But, uh, yeah, I mean, is that s o?
  • [65:10] Keith: Well, I don't believe know that the notion that, like she should masturbate less because it might affect her like future. No, no.
  • [65:25] Mike: I mean, it's practice pragmatic. This happens to both men and women. There are men who get frustrated cause they can't have orgasms with their partner because they grip their Penis so tightly. That's why it's called Death Grip are like that. You know the things they do or not replicable. And there's a There's a related thing that women do.
  • [65:38] Mike: That's a specific habit that women have, which is a will. There is a set of women who masturbate lying on their stomach using a pillow between their legs, sort of humping the pillow. Okay, at These women in particular tend to have
  • [65:49] Mike: this. I know this to be true. As you see it on separate all the time. They have particular draw problems orgasm ing with men. Now, look, is the goal of life to orgasm with partner? No, But
  • [65:50] Keith: if that is something they
  • [66:04] Mike: care about, most people do. And so it's like, frustrated for them right on dso you know, Right. So So I think I wouldn't shame her for but I would caution her. I would say, Hey, this is ah you know, this is a thing they could have wear off. Yeah,
  • [66:14] Mike: you're gonna get used to this one particular Whatever you D'oh! You know, you really used to it. It may be harder later, but you know, maybe she's You know what it is? It's totally fine, then. You all right?
  • [66:23] Keith: Yeah. Like, on the other hand, Like feeling comfortable with your body. And, you know, being comfortable enough to masturbate probably has, like, some positive,
  • [66:26] Keith: uh, implications as well.
  • [66:30] Mike: Yeah, but I mean, e I don't really know.
  • [66:42] Mike: I don't know, really Know what? What? A woman being horny all the time is all about. It makes sense for a man biologically like, but it just only logical for a woman. Like what? What is even the driver like? What's behind that? Like what?
  • [66:50] Mike: That doesn't make it. It doesn't make sort of biological sense for a woman to be horny all the time, but it doesn't accomplish very much, right?
  • [66:52] Mike: And so you say, Well,
  • [66:53] Mike: could be like a medical condition. I don't
  • [66:58] Keith: know. Yeah, I think there's probably
  • [67:13] Keith: Yeah, there's Yeah, There's just hormonal differences, right? And, you know, some people are outliers, and, uh, if you're an outlier in the thing that, like, drives you tow, have sex. Um,
  • [67:23] Keith: that's probably what's going on there, I wonder. Yeah. It's hard to quantify what, like horny all the time. Quote unquote means um, yeah, and
  • [67:33] Keith: yeah, but yeah, Like yet, men have basically, like into infinite capacity to spread their seed. And women have limited capacity to receive seed. So, yeah, I'm not sure if this is an interesting point. I don't know.
  • [67:41] Mike: Yeah, I mean, there's no, I mean, it doesn't mean that there's some problem or but it, But it could because it seems like a thing that does. It seems sort of not
  • [67:54] Mike: It's not his typical. And so you'd say, Oh, what's going on here? But if you check everything out and you say there's nothing wrong well, then you're all right. You're just horny all the time. I'm sure they're women. I'm sure that happens. Yeah. Okay.
  • [68:00] Keith: I'm anticipating some some blowback for this. Do you have anything you wanna say to try to mitigate that?
  • [68:13] Mike: Now? I don't. Yeah, well, I mean, if people people want Thio, people want to deny sort of like biological realities about how people's brains and bodies operate. It's like, Okay. I mean, you could just you know, it's fine.
  • [68:14] Keith: Yeah.
  • [68:30] Keith: All right. Uh, yeah, I don't really have anything to add their either. All right, I'm gonna wrap this up Okay, so this was episode. I think this is an episode. Nine of your mileage may vary a za reminder. You can contact us on Twitter at Y m M V pod and by email at Y m m v pod at gmail dot com.