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Episode 97: Anal Consent, Body Count, First Female Orgasm, Slap-Jizzing, Overhearing Parental Sex

Team YMMV | 12-22-2022 | 1:02:49

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This week, we do a rather extensive review of the https://ymmv.me/97/two-x-chromosomes subreddit, which is a notoriously tricky maneuver for two men. Discussion includes various complaints women have about men or inequality with men, including consent, body counts, porn viewing habits, and orgasm access.

Here are the topics we target from that subreddit:

https://ymmv.me/97/consent

https://ymmv.me/97/body-count

https://ymmv.me/97/porn

https://ymmv.me/97/orgasm

A quick shout-out to Uncle T, who is back in action with some new content: https://ymmv.me/97/uncle-t. And, another shout-out to Keith's instagram thirst trap woman: https://ymmv.me/97/thirsty

A questioner can hear her parents having sex and wants to know what to do. Another is probably on the road to a breakup, as her boyfriend says she's boring in bed. A man jizzed his pants when slapped by a woman, and a woman found increased water intake led to much better lubrication and orgasms.

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/97/parents

https://ymmv.me/97/bored

https://ymmv.me/97/jizzed

https://ymmv.me/97/water

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

[00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is controversial but mostly in good faith on today's show we have some exciting sexy topics to cover including a young woman hearing her parents having sex and untimely jizzing how to communicate boredom to your partner making love versus fucking. And more including a possibly controversial examination of an all- femalele subreddit I am Keith my co-host is Mike hi Mike I am pretty sick and I feel like I was low energy.
[00:28] Mike: So hello Keith how are you doing. Sick.
[00:37] Keith: For the last show and I wanted to be higher energy for this show. But I don't know if I'm going to be able to muster that I'm I'm going to try.
[00:41] Mike: I was going to say sick and tired of meat showing up late to our recording sessions.
[00:46] Keith: Yeah, yeah, we were We were going to argue about this before we recorded but you still hold onto it. So who do you think is is late more often. Well maybe maybe it'll just be ah, be a quick discussion who is more often late.
[00:52] Mike: Um, no, we don't have to we had oh for sure for sure. It's me but there but I have a defense my defense is.
[01:02] Keith: Okay, okay.
[01:07] Mike: That I have to make myself more available than you do because your schedule is more harried than mine is and so like so a lot of times I will say I will see a lot of times I will say yes to times. So for example today we were supposed to record at 8 and then you switch to to 7 I wanted to go swimming and I was like well I'm going to say yes to this because.
[01:12] Keith: Oh that that is and that is that is definitely true.
[01:24] Mike: I don't then I'm going to wind up recording by myself but but still I mean I you know I've look I mean everybody could do better so I actually don't I'm fine with that feedback I think it's reasonable. You know, like if a person says XYZ time they should they should be there at that time I actually agree with that. So yeah.
[01:25] Keith: I see I see.
[01:33] Keith: Okay, yeah.
[01:40] Keith: Okay, all right? Well this was a extremely boring. It's It's really boring radio to agree. It's better to disagree. Fortunately, we almost always disagree with the posts we read So ah, okay.
[01:46] Mike: Yeah, yeah, well I have so I have something ah exciting to announce. Um, what's his name. Uncle Tony is the guy on having fun hobbying named Uncle oh uncle t my bad Uncle T.
[02:01] Keith: Yeah, that's really great news Mike that's great.
[02:02] Mike: UncleT is back. He's returned on having fun hobbying. It is so I don't know what happened but he has a great new post that. Ah maybe I'll try to put in the show notes here in having fun hobbying. He's got.
[02:14] Keith: And what constitutes a great post on having fun hobby. Yeah.
[02:19] Mike: Well, he just talks about all his experiences over say a month and like he has some headlines like there's woman he calls g cup another one called Lil Clover street meet 19 year old bbfs which is bare back full service. A latina at a hotel.
[02:27] Keith: Oh.
[02:35] Mike: Ah, and then he has an entire review of some Asian massage parlors et Cetera et Cetera so I mean and he's he's in the Bay area. So it's always fun to see what's going on. Yeah and he he says that he was gone I'd read that he'd found a um, a significant other.
[02:40] Keith: Ah wow This is prolific. Yeah.
[02:51] Mike: But he said he said sorry had to ghost for a while to cover some tracks and lay low for a bit. Don't want to go into my into details. But my posts get a lot of attention and sometimes that's not the best for your Uncle T So and this because this is guy that by the way the posts videos like he will actually clandestinely and.
[02:56] Keith: Ah, of god.
[03:00] Keith: Right? he's.
[03:08] Mike: Ah, gosh That's probably illegal so I shouldn't encourage it. So let's just stop about that but I will potentially post this link so people can judge for themselves. Yeah.
[03:10] Keith: Right.
[03:17] Keith: Who's the guy who was like a a psychologist in the bay area and he was ghost writing that blog for a long time and then the New York Times was did an expose on him and basically doxed him. Ah yes, you do.
[03:29] Mike: I Don't actually know at all what you're talking about.
[03:34] Keith: Ah, ah, the blog was called slate star codex scott Alexander Scott Alexander that's his name. Yeah, yeah, well he went into hiding after the New York Times sort of quasi Docs tim and then he decided to.
[03:38] Mike: Oh of course Yes, so we yeah we we ah sorry yes sorry yes I do know exactly what you're talking about more than I want to know.
[03:52] Mike: Right? So we've got slate Star Codex and Uncle T who both had the same experience slightly different. Yes.
[03:52] Keith: Not be anonymous anymore. So right? as bay area pseudonym people all right? Let's talk about the 2 x chromosomes subreddit I could imagine this taking the full hour of our show here. I'm not sure how much we want to get into this but I'm going to read what the 2 x chromosomes subreddit what is it called the summary the description. This is what they say welcome to 2 x chromosomes the subreddit for both serious and silly content and intended for women's perspectives.
[04:19] Mike: Stuff. Yeah.
[04:29] Keith: We're a welcoming subreddit and support the rights of all genders posts are moderated for respect Equanimity Grace and relevance. Yeah, that's great. So.
[04:36] Mike: Wow Equanimity. Okay I mean that sounds on its surface like a great you know I can't see that that that just that description sounds wonderful. Yes.
[04:48] Keith: Yes, it's a safe space for women. That's a sort of short way of putting it and if people ah say things that make women feel unsafe. They get removed. So.
[05:01] Mike: Right.
[05:04] Keith: Should I read this one about um the boyfriend getting carried away.
[05:07] Mike: Yeah, so okay background Keith sent me this one and we had similar reactions but but I think there's some question as to why I think there's some discussion here. So so if you want to Keith has a cold. Do you want me to read it Keith I can pull it up in a second here.
[05:22] Keith: Um, yeah, do you have it up I can link it to you all right? I I What stepped it to.
[05:25] Mike: Um, actually maybe I don't have it. Why don't you send it to me on the chat here. Great! Thank you? Okay, so this is maybe like the kind of thing where you could imagine having a trigger warning or something. Um I'll just read it here. Ah boy trigger warning for rape actually. Boyfriend got carried away I slept over my my boyfriend's place last night he lives in a rented room in an apartment he and I have a healthy sexual appetite and often have morning sex. We both discussed exploring anal sex and using butt plugs this morning while spooning me. He started playing with me back there. I didn't think he would actually do anything until he did please note I was still asleep when I felt him start trying to anally penetrate me I buried my face in the pillow to muffle my screams so as not to alarm his landlady. It was painful as he actually started having anal sex with me. He didn't ask didn't check if I was okay.
[06:08] Keith: M.
[06:22] Mike: Didn't take care of me afterwards I'm confused and hurt. It's something we decided to explore but not like that I wanted our first time to be relaxing and slow. He was remorseful and I lay there when he got up to go to the bathroom to shower I realized I needed to get away to take care of myself and called an uber and left he has apologized and said he did did get carried away and how he never meant to hurt me. Felt numb all day not to mention nursing my physical pain from the experience. What in the hell happened. Why did I let him do that I really don't know what to think anymore. This should not have happened That's the end.
[06:53] Keith: Um, yeah, so um, yeah, let me just read the first comment and this person quotes Why did I let him do that and their response is the correct question is why did he do that.
[07:02] Mike: Yeah.
[07:10] Keith: Sexual assault is never your fault never is bolded there Full stop. Please do not think that you did something wrong or that there is something you should have done differently. This is entirely on him. Not on you. So ah, we haven't said anything about this yet. But I'll just issue the.
[07:23] Mike: Um.
[07:29] Keith: Obvious disclaimer this is an extremely sensitive topic and we're going to talk about it now in good faith and try to figure out what reasonable expectations are for people to keep themselves safe and stop themselves from getting physically and emotionally hurt. Ah, first of all this notion that sexual assault is never your fault full stop I'd I'd like to take issue with what if I posited this to you before but I'll do it again now that we're on the air. What if somebody said.
[07:48] Mike: Um, right.
[08:05] Keith: I Would like you to have sex with me and then I had sex with them and then afterward they decided it was sexual assault is that their fault in that case I mean I mean can you just retroactively decide that something is sexual assault at any point.
[08:22] Mike: Yeah, so in that case, it's a definitional issue right? It's It's what it's how you define what is considered assault and I think most people would define it as doing something without consent and so in that case I guess the answer would be no, you can't redirect retroractfully define it because consent was obtained.
[08:38] Keith: They consented. Okay, what is the proximity and time and space of consent. So this person says in their thread that we both discussed exploring anal sex and using butt plugs and so that seems like.
[08:42] Mike: Right.
[08:58] Keith: They discussed having anal sex maybe consent was partially given I suppose or that in her mind I guess it wasn't but in his it seems it was although he later says that he did get carried away. Although unclear what he was responding to there.
[09:21] Mike: Honestly I think that for a lot of men this scene that she described there up until the point where she I don't know there was there was a point where it was like you know everybody's apologizing to each other but the point where she's just sort of like kind of sort of tolerating it sort of. Letting him do something to her like that part I don't actually think I think that that part of it could actually be part of a normal I Guess consensual relationship right? Where ah, you have a relationship where somebody actually likes having um things done to them that are lay a little bit up to the line or something like that and.
[09:48] Keith: Um, alright.
[09:57] Mike: Um, I think that the guy in that situation probably ah would have expected her to object um during the act and therefore took her her lack of response as consent. Um.
[10:08] Keith: Yeah, yeah.
[10:15] Keith: Yeah I mean this is a this is a great sort of ah case to evaluate because it's a little heartbreaking to read I buried my face in the pillow to buffle my screams as not to alarm his landlady and that sounds like it was a bad experience for her. But it's clear that she didn't.
[10:16] Mike: Yeah.
[10:25] Mike: Well.
[10:33] Keith: Say anything? um at any point.
[10:36] Mike: Well, but I mean even that part I think could actually be considered kind of hot from like a consensual non-consent. Ah perspective I mean you could have a relationship with somebody where I mean scream is a strong word I I don't know if she was actually if if somebody was screaming.
[10:42] Keith: Um, yeah, right.
[10:49] Keith: Right? right? right? right? Yes, yeah I mean yeah again, we're tried to have a good faith conversation here. Obviously this specific case we don't know but with there's too many open questions to fully evaluate. It may well be that she was raped and like you know.
[10:51] Mike: I think I would take I would I would personally take that as non-consent actually but um, you could imagine something a little lighter than screaming you know, right.
[11:09] Keith: Based on previous things set up in their relationship but we've talked about on this show many times I have been with a number of women who are extremely noisy when they are in bed and ah you know they're shouting and sort of performed resistance or.
[11:20] Mike: That's true.
[11:28] Keith: Performed intensity is for me actually a little bit irritating. But yeah I mean there are people who do this and so ah, yeah, it's just I can imagine a situation where this guy thought that things were going well and finding out that he had. And his girlfriend's words assaulted her after was probably not on his Bingo card.
[11:54] Mike: Yeah I think that I think that the the interesting thing about this topic here. This post is that I think this is actually a situation where no one did anything wrong. Um, yeah, So so it suggests that there could be like a non a no fault sexual assault basically where the where the the guy. Thinks what he's doing is okay, he genuinely does I mean you could argue that it wasn't okay but I actually think a reasonable person in his situation might think it was fine I mean it just she didn't react and and you know what you said is a good Point. Her reaction might have been pretty normal. In terms of stifling sounds using the pillow. So forth She Also I don't think did anything wrong. Um I mean it would have been Better. It would have been better for him to explicitly ask for Consent. It would have been better for her to say hey I don't want to do this like stop. What are you doing These would have been better but you know.
[12:43] Keith: Yeah, so if this were you know an eighth grade health class and you were the teacher talking to the boys and girls about how they should behave. Ah, you know as they're tried to learn about consent and. Ah, how to you know, do physical things with other people. Yeah is the advice here or would you give advice to both of them like yeah is the woman you should try to vocalize how you're feeling or is the advice to the man that ah before you do anything you need to ask for micro consent at all times.
[13:20] Keith: And what is the path of instruction that will most likely lead to more positive outcomes going forward.
[13:34] Mike: Yeah I mean ah I I have a memory of a cache It's like a porn I'm trying to remember I mean on on the more female oriented porn subreddits. There's often discussion by women of how much they like videos. Where there's just tons and tons of consent given and I actually find those kind of boring because it's just there's so much consent that it's kind of just an insane amount of like double checking everything. But I also have a memory of seeing something where a woman was discussing a video and complaining that actually like the guy.
[13:56] Keith: Um, yeah.
[14:07] Mike: Asking if he could kiss her or something like that kind of took her out of the mood and she viewed that as like a negative component I'm trying to I probably saw it on Tiktok or something like that. Um.
[14:15] Keith: Yeah.
[14:18] Mike: And so yeah, it's ah it's it's actually pretty unclear what you should recommend I mean I think generally if you're doing an activity with a person that you've never done before with that person. Maybe checking is reasonable. Although I just think that that's in reality that happens like less than 1% of the time in relationships.
[14:33] Keith: Well, yeah, and well first of all I have a couple topics later about whether women prefer dominant men or submissive men and how that can play out and different ways. So if we have time we'll get to those. But yeah I you know I feel like and. Maybe this is just my subjective experience. But I feel like for every thing I see that for every video with micro consent being given at every moment there's like a hundred videos of ah various rape fantasies being played out like i.
[15:06] Mike: Well in the the yeah the the normal but not even rape fantasies I mean the normal the reality is that the normal way the male female relationships operate is that the man tries to do something and the woman says no right.
[15:21] Keith: Yeah, yeah, rape fantasy was the wrong word like what's the right word for what's the expression for nonverbal implied consent I don't know what I don't know what that is but let's say you're on a first date and.
[15:26] Mike: Yeah.
[15:31] Mike: Yeah, you just sort of dominant and the woman doesn't say no yeah.
[15:39] Keith: You know you're you're 2 35 year olds and she's come back to your apartment and ah, you're both sitting on the couch. What would the most you know, sort of modern ah leftist super safe.
[15:58] Mike: So.
[15:59] Keith: 2 x chromosomes ah believer say the how should the man proceed.
[16:06] Mike: Well I mean that just taking that side of it. It would be to basically ask for consent before he does each new action or maybe every possible action can I Kiss you is it? okay are you feeling? Okay, it's just constantly taking your temperature like that.
[16:23] Keith: I Normally ask. Ah if I can kiss a person before I do it. It's almost always way beyond the point where it's obvious that they do and so that that's never gone badly for Me. It's almost like a cute. Clip thing to say um, but then after that is it. Ah you know I'm going to put my hand under your shirt now is that? Okay, yeah, okay, all right? So I agree I think that is like what the instruction around this.
[16:40] Mike: Sure.
[16:50] Mike: I Think so I mean I think that there would it would be right.
[16:59] Keith: Is and maybe should be I don't think that putting the onus on a horny man to behave perfectly in that situation is necessarily more likely to go well than telling women. That if they're uncomfortable. They need to speak up like if you had to choose 1 or the other I think yeah women should be encouraged to speak up and men should be encouraged to ask for micro consent at every moment. But if you had to choose 1 which do you think would lead to more positive outcomes going forward.
[17:32] Mike: Well I generally think that.
[17:34] Keith: This is all controversial. It's like it's hard to even talk about. But.
[17:39] Mike: Well I mean I think I I generally think that society has sort of already pre-negotiated this So the the incumbent way in which this happens is kind of obviously the guy just tries things and the woman sort of knows to say no um I don't think yeah I Yeah, the other thing I would mention.
[17:44] Keith: Um, me too.
[17:49] Keith: Right? Or sheepishly pushes him away or whatever it is.
[17:57] Mike: Is that there's a separate issue which is that the guy asking for Cassen all the time I actually think would decrease his batting average. So what you're describing doesn't yeah.
[18:05] Keith: I think it might too. It's tricky I mean yeah, like what is the goal here like ah you know, supposedly something like half of all women who go to college now report that they were sexually assaulted at some point in their college and I I think they actually believe that. But how do you How do you fix things so that the women who believe you know who say that who report that drops. Ah and you know if if the if the line is that if they ever.
[18:34] Mike: Um, well I think.
[18:39] Keith: Hook up with somebody that it doesn't ask for micro consent at every moment I Just don't think that I think a lot of women are going to feel traumatized then like I Just don't know how to I don't know how to like actually fix this in a way that like makes the outcomes for women better.
[18:54] Mike: Right? I would just say on the on the sexual assault college piece. Um I have a fair amount of experience with this not as an assaulter it was not an assaulter. However I did deal with ah women after the fact that had experienced this and I mean something like 99% of the time. It's alcohol.
[19:11] Keith: Yes, yeah.
[19:12] Mike: And that makes it even harder because then right yes I mean if you if your mind is on a substance. You might think you've given consent and then there's this it becomes even more complicated then right to to know whether what? what's exactly has happened and now the other guy's got to give you the guy has to give you a breathyyzer to know what your blood alcohol. Love blood alcohol of us.
[19:26] Keith: Um, yeah.
[19:31] Mike: To be fair in most cases, it's obvious she's really drunk, but the guy might be really drunk too, etc etc. You know so.
[19:36] Keith: Yeah, yeah, there's a somewhat boring conversation to be had about what the law is around this stuff and the law is sort of on the side of men generally on this. It's It's not really that interesting of the conversation. Ah.
[19:50] Mike: Here.
[19:53] Keith: But yeah like I don't know I'm not sure how to make people feel better about this generally. Ah and it seems to me that the meme and the sort of 2 X chromosomes and adjacent spaces. Ah that. The man needs to politely and suavely ask for micro consent at every turn is while a nice ideal to imagine but in in actuality. It's hard for them to do it suavely. So as you point out, they drop their batting average and it's hard to do consistently because they're horny or drunk or the person on the receiving side is you know drunk and not able to yeah. Fully do what they otherwise might and so yeah, any anyway this is sort of an impossible situation. Yeah, please save me save me from my rambling.
[20:51] Mike: Do you want to look at another you want to look at another topic from this particular subreddit. So We can analyze Also the kind of so yeah I mean one of the things we wanted to talk about one of the things where the things we want to talk about is just generally what is the kind of error. What is the. But I mean yeah, it's good to have a safe space for people. But there's some kind of a um group think that's taking place on this subreddit that maybe is not congruent with reality. So here's another one. There's a few topics like this but another one is how is it when men have a high body Count. It is a buffet of experience but women are sluts. Just saw a question on ask men where a woman keeps thinking about her boyfriend's history and comments made my blood boil. It's a woman speaking. Basically it's all good because he's telling her she tops all experiences that he has had he basically got it out of his system and now can settle with her So when a dude has a body count high up. It's the buffet of experience. But most of them wouldn't date a woman who has a buffet of experience even if she is to tell them even if she were to try to tell them that they top all her experiences So All in all, she's in the wrong for thinking like his history is a problem I'm so irritated by this stupidity. So any thoughts on that.
[22:01] Keith: Okay, yeah I mean this body count topic is something we've covered many times. Ah I mean she's not wrong that there's a double standard. Um I think she is wrong that it doesn't.
[22:06] Mike: Is intuive.
[22:17] Keith: Makes sense due to first principles. So I don't tell and I think that's so obvious that it's basically boring but there's probably some listeners who haven't heard your your rant on this do can you can you do it? briefly.
[22:19] Mike: Right? agreed.
[22:30] Mike: Oh I don't know if it the rant I mean it's basically just the notion that I mean ultimately the meetingating marketplace is a bit of an economy like you know, supply and demand and women just have a lot more supply of men coming in they belong were inbound if a woman. Ah, wanted to have sex with 30 guys in the next 30 days particularly a reasonably attractive woman in her twenty s she could do that whereas a man actually couldn't be 1 in most cases, right? trivially she would just do it and so the reason why a high body count for a man is quite different from a woman is simply.
[22:56] Keith: Um, trivially.
[23:05] Mike: Simply because one is an accomplishment and 1 is not that's it. It's just that's it. So um.
[23:11] Keith: Right? Yeah I mean there's some. There's some other aspects to it which is for whatever reason promiscuity in men ah is not doesn't feel is icky. Um, now I don't know why that is. But I suspect. It's something um that is in our Dna now there are other things in our Dna that feel icky that we try to disabuse ourselves of for example, tribalism and xenophobia are 2 things that are sort of innately built into us. But we you know. Try to disabuse ourselves of it. But yeah, just as 0 into racism as quickly as possible. Um, but yeah I mean I think that ah promiscuous women for whatever reason feels icky and that's not fair.
[23:48] Mike: Oh I Thought that was part of the good stuff.
[23:55] Mike: With your decision.
[24:06] Keith: And you know, especially in a modern world where you know things can be safer and you know men aren't literally plumbing the semen of their rivals out of their ah out of out of the women in the in the village. Ah yeah, those things are no longer the case but that. People feel a certain way about it is difficult to change.
[24:29] Mike: Yeah, and I think it is actually fair because for the man having the high body counts like climbing Mount Everest for the woman. It's like climbing some hill in you know, inglewood so very hard. Um, let's let's do. Let's do let's do another one here. It just isn't it isn't I mean you know I guess if you.
[24:38] Keith: Wow Yeah I I agree I agree.
[24:45] Mike: You are a really really unattractive woman and a high bodydy count I would actually be impressed by that. That's the thing. It's not actually like ah um, and if you were a hyperattractive man at a high body count I'd be less impressed I just think it's purely an accomplishment. It's like are you good at the video gameme or not and for women in most cases, it just just doesn't tell me anything about how you play. Play life. That's all we should. We should be would you want to respond to that I don't to cut you off so here's another one from this same subreddit. Ah this is this one might hit to very close to home for you? Keith um, the the way that men have normalized following and openly interacting with porn accounts is disgusting.
[25:06] Keith: No I I Completely agree.
[25:16] Keith: Oh boy.
[25:24] Mike: There I said it I'm so annoyed andgrossed out how men always have a justification to following soft porn accounts. It will always be weird and scream poored at porn addiction to me I have a cousin who's married to an okay guy I was pretty indifferent to him until he followed me on Instagram and I saw that a majority of his following were basically women working out or women posting softcore porn some bareily legal.
[25:43] Keith: Ah, yeah.
[25:44] Mike: I'm so disgusted because he posts their daughter on his count as well as his wife I just feel like it's a lack of respect and self-control I Personally follow Hobby type accounts Hair Nails Makeup Cats L O L It's also embarrassing but whatever and ah go ahead.
[25:55] Keith: Wait. Okay, while I mean yeah mean she's following female porn right? like that's like that She's not interested in the male body is not yeah that yet, she's whatever sorry continue.
[26:02] Mike: Exactly.
[26:10] Mike: She says it's just 1 more sentence I can't imagine doom scrolling a bunch of porn accounts on your phone to then put down your phone to be with your kids men need to do better thoughts. She's talking right to you? well.
[26:19] Keith: Okay.
[26:26] Keith: Yeah, ah to be fair to be fair. Ah so I have I think I follow like a hundred people on Instagram or so and I am very careful not to follow any accounts that are just purely people posting their straps I I do follow 1
[26:28] Mike: These to me is that without many.
[26:44] Keith: It's of this hept this canadian hept athlete who I think is very pretty um but it I don't know what her thing is her name is Georgia Ellen Wood and ah her content is mostly hurt.
[26:51] Mike: What's her username.
[26:55] Mike: Okay, go ahead, keep going as everybody's search. Oh yellow.
[27:03] Keith: Content is mostly thirs straps. Um, but I don't know I've been following it for a while I feel connected. Ah, but if if I go to my reels on Instagram ah, it's all everything it shows me is like women.
[27:15] Mike: 6
[27:21] Keith: And bikinis like they've they've ah triangulated what I like and it's it's sort of embarrassing like if somebody else were to look at at my reels which would be like somebody you know, looking at your Tiktok. They're going to see things that are sort of sort of embarrassing.
[27:33] Mike: A.
[27:39] Keith: But yeah I mean I think the male experience is they like looking at women and I think it is sort of shameful to have your social media accounts following a bunch of scantily clad women. So I don't do it. But it's not that I don't It's not that I don't want to do it. It's that I. Yeah, it's that I can find pictures of scantily clad women without using social media like these guys are just idiots like they don't This is the way that they they masturbate and so they're not able to like separate their you know public social media from. Their masturbation hobby.
[28:17] Mike: Yeah I In some ways I feel the exact opposite of this woman I think it's kind of cool that this guy and that guy you know if a guy is willing to be that oh look a lot of what people might.
[28:27] Keith: It It would be like having a public porn hub account like you know like you could you could you? You could follow people at pod hub and presumably if you do so porn hub maybe makes good recommendations for other porn. You might like I don't know I don't have a porn hub account because.
[28:33] Mike: Is 2
[28:46] Keith: It's mortifying to me what if they get hacked. Um, but yeah, like yeah like following a bunch of models on Instagram is something like having a public porn hub account. You're just leaving it all out there. So yeah yeah I mean maybe you could be commended. It takes some bravery.
[29:03] Mike: Um, I mean first of all I'm wondering you know is that not coming so to speak I think I think people people yeah people I mean look well this is what I was going to say is that the trend has been toward people being much more upfront about their.
[29:10] Keith: Public Board hub.
[29:22] Mike: Problems and not just problems but who they are being honest about who they are and just as people you know people complain about Dick Pics you know the the ah the penis visibility of a penis is sort of the final frontier nobody wants that you know get that out of your well look if you want. Ah.
[29:25] Keith: Oh I see.
[29:42] Mike: To be. You know if you want to be able to talk about um, whatever some supermodel who had postpartum depression and blah blah Blah Blah blah and had all these problems I mean like maybe we should also be talking about guys and the fact that they spend a substantial amount of time daily doing this and what's what why? Why is that to be shamed.
[30:02] Keith: Ah, because she's decided. It's shameful.
[30:07] Mike: And honestly I think her addiction or whatever you want to call it to nails hair and whatever I forget what she called it I think that's pretty shameful I think that's actually stupider because at least at least I can get a nut out of the and I'm going I were ah Mark my words I'm going to get a nut out of.
[30:12] Keith: Um, makeup cats.
[30:25] Keith: Yeah, isn't she. Lovely.
[30:25] Mike: That he athlete lead I'll tell you I saw that account I She is all all ah do you mind if I put it in the show notes or is that too close to home because you do fallover. Oh good. Okay, it's not that I was.
[30:34] Keith: No I don't think that. Ah yeah I think she has hundreds of thousands of followers I don't think she's ah going to be my future ex-girlfriend.
[30:44] Mike: Was whether ah people could dos you using that information and I was worried about okay, there's one more there's there's it's too late. You already said her name of course I could delete it but there's one more that I wanted to say just because this is this is ah after my own heart and and then maybe we can talk about this sub Reddit generally and what's what's wrong with it. But ah, okay.
[30:48] Keith: Um, oh oh yeah, yeah, no I'm safe.
[31:00] Keith: Yeah, all right? Let's go.
[31:03] Mike: Use a magic wand use a magic wand for the first time is this real here. We go 34 and recently bought a magic wand my very first vibrator slash sex toy and I can't believe I'm saying this. But for my first time in my entire life I got a real orgasm I've been married once dated 4 men post-divorce and yet I never came. Realized it's because I never knew what it means to come and I always ended up focusing on making the man come this has changed my life I've masturbated thrice already in the last two hours I'm ecstatic I know I'm being dramatic and possibly. It's from all the hormones in my brain right now. But for the first time in my life I feel truly independent l o l.
[31:29] Keith: Um, yeah.
[31:35] Keith: Um, Allo L of.
[31:40] Mike: Etc, etc, etc that one I just wanted to read because it's just catnip for me longtime listeners know that I believe that's more common among women than not.
[31:54] Keith: Yeah I mean and if you would have talked to her a year ago and accused her of never having had an orgasm she would like spazz out on you and say that of course she's had orgasms. You don't know the the female body Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah um.
[31:59] Mike: Right. Yeah, actually I wonder if commenters shamed her for like you know, let me see her quickly now these people are being whether someone shamed or somebody saw you in it and.
[32:10] Keith: Can we bet first yeah, there's is a 0% chance
[32:19] Mike: Ah, fair point fair point. But but but keep in mind this is she's going countercurrent to the standard ah narrative which is that women experience vast differences in the strength of orgasm and so you know some women just have really tiny ones.
[32:33] Keith: Right.
[32:35] Mike: Etc etc. These things that are told to women very ah commonly to discourage them from 1 or you know to encourage them to think oh I had one even like they they may not have anyway. So what do you think is going on with this subreddit generally.
[32:43] Keith: Right.
[32:52] Keith: Um, um, I'm nervous to even speculate. So it's such a break. It's such a third rail right? Um look I understand why.
[32:59] Mike: Well, it's some sort of group think is it.
[33:09] Keith: Um, women become missandists and ah build spaces where various missandriss tropes emerge. And are supported ah and maybe that makes them feel better. But I'm not sure that that's the best way for their lives to be reliably better going forward like I think this subreddit. For all its intent to make things better for for women may actually be harming them and I need to think about.
[33:56] Mike: By by what by reinforcing reinforcing kind of simplistic beliefs that reduce men to kind of ah a very basic set of rules that ah that don't fit every man. In fact, in fact, don't fit most men. Yeah I'm in fact, the same thing that. There are complaining about men doing to them on some level.
[34:16] Keith: Yeah, or over over Ha Boy yeah that yeah yes I don't want to say what I was about to say ah right I think that I think that overdramatizing certain events.
[34:22] Mike: Oh I Want to hear it over. Let's see over and.
[34:33] Keith: Can ah make them worse and more affecting than they would be than if you you gave the sort of 1950 s advice which is you know, keep your chin up and keep marching forward I think it can be true that I think it can be true.
[34:48] Mike: Wow.
[34:53] Keith: That men are assholes and really need to reform their behavior and that women have you know tons of awful experiences with men way more than men have awful like awful experiences with women but I am not sure if leaning into embracing the the trauma and the upset. From those experiences is the best way to ah make the you know reported happiness of women generally better going forward like I think there needs to be a bifurcated approach like I think that men need to be educated and reformed and ask for consent more and to. Behave better in ah, a million different ways and women need to try to understand the way that the world works a bit better and do that and you know be aware of how various actions of their own may affect their experiences.
[35:47] Mike: what do you? think what do you what do you think oh I know what you're saying I think our listeners do too. What do you? What do you think is going on with a woman who is so uncurious about her body that by the age of 34 she still hasn't like.
[35:49] Keith: And was I speaking to generally there or does that make sense. Okay, all right.
[36:04] Mike: Masturbate it to an orgasm.
[36:06] Keith: Um I don't know I've often thought back to my first masturbatory experience and I was 12 or 13 and ah you know famously. It was with a sleeping bag and for our longtime listeners anyway.
[36:11] Mike: Move.
[36:25] Keith: It's like I sometimes I wonder I wonder how long I was capable of orgasming before that first one I feel like maybe a week maybe 2 like ah you know I i.
[36:33] Mike: Fifty fifty
[36:37] Keith: Done various things to arouse myself but never reached orgasm before but I think it's because I like basically couldn't I think like almost immediately after I physically could I did and so this notion of squirting for the first time or orgasming for the first time in your mid 30 s is. Completely alien to me I I can't imagine it. It's it's totally unrelatable and so I don't.
[36:58] Mike: How do you square that with your unwillingness to be pegged.
[37:04] Keith: I've said this before my unwillingness to be pegged is because it's sort of socially unacceptable and I'm afraid I might like it and I would rather live a life where I don't know if I'm missing something that I really like rather than have to deal with this reality that like well.
[37:10] Mike: 3
[37:21] Keith: Now I can only date women who are like willing to peg me like what if I love it like that would actually be I think a negative discovery.
[37:28] Mike: Yeah, the other thing the another thing that I think goes along with that that I feel about that is that? Um, okay I think that I think that if if you read accounts of orgasms online and you've never had 1 you're going to think. Okay, this is something that's a step function like a. Big step function better than anything I've experienced before so it's something that you should go after I'm so I'm deeply skeptical that anything that's available in the pegging domain is ah at that level. Ah that you know I'm sure there could well be some you know, modest improvement in the experience. But I'm skeptical that it would be.
[37:46] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
[37:57] Keith: I see.
[38:03] Mike: And a level where it makes it worth what you said and basically the discomfort having to now have this thing that you have to do I Mean anytime you're going out with a woman. You've got to check if she's got the strap on she can come over and you know give you that experience ultimately.
[38:18] Keith: Right? I mean the theoology is I've used in the past and usually when I do this, it makes the woman I'm telling it to squirm but you know there's ah Necrophilia and bestiality and pedophilia. It's like well why haven't you tried any of those things like maybe maybe you'll really like them and it's like well.
[38:27] Mike: Earth. Um.
[38:36] Keith: Well, they're just not acceptable and you know it's the case that pegging is more acceptable than the three I just mentioned but it's still kind of less acceptable than the than the the the quote unquote normal things.
[38:48] Mike: You've you've brought up Necrophilia with a person that you were dating did that end the relationship. Okay, okay.
[38:55] Keith: Yeah I have mostly as a sensationalistic mostly as a sensationalistic rhetorical technique not as an actual realm of investigation. How would you let's say you ah you really did what a fuck a corpse.
[39:08] Mike: How large.
[39:12] Keith: Like what how could you possibly indulge that do you like make fun friends with ah ah what's somebody who works at a mor called yeah now that's somebody who works at a funeral home. What's what's like the person that the Autopsy person.
[39:16] Mike: Oh no Mortician Mortician Yeah undertaker.
[39:31] Mike: Um, pathologist the person who yeah well, an Autopsy's a little different I mean once you've this is not a good. This is way worse than talking about anal sex. Let me I'll say I think it would be very hard to.
[39:31] Keith: I Don't know I think is there a name for that.
[39:46] Mike: Accomplish and I would suspect just from having reflected on this for maximum 45 seconds that unfortunately a lot of the times they wind up murdering the person and then doing it. Yeah I suspect because it's because of this exact issue and so on so it's just terrible terrible terrible.
[39:55] Keith: Jesus.
[40:01] Keith: Um, what is going on on there like how could they possibly perform Whatever let's not let's not. We could move on.
[40:08] Mike: I think that I Well I Just think it falls under the this is well but I think it falls under the broad heading of people that have had some sort of crazy trauma in childhood that they've then relives so and so moving away from that topic I think ah and I don't really understand why this happens but it's absolutely the case that women who've had. Fraught relations with their father kind of act out ah discipline and um, kind of punishment experiences with with with guys later. There's some kind of there's some connection there and so they're basically reliving something that from their childhood and so I could imagine.
[40:35] Keith: So yeah.
[40:43] Mike: There could be something there for for further afield things so well or beastiality or whatever. Yeah.
[40:45] Keith: Um, yeah for corpses or animals or children. Yeah, all right? Let's let's move on. So ah, that was the the gut who yeah, we just spent 30 minutes in a very dangerous territory if it were possible to cancel us. We'd be.
[40:57] Mike: Um, yeah, right.
[41:03] Keith: Potentially in trouble here all right? So I I teased a few topics in the opener that we can try to quickly get to um, let's see here this person I a fifteen year old female often hear my parents having sex at night.
[41:09] Mike: Yeah.
[41:18] Mike: A minute.
[41:20] Keith: They're not loud, but it is noticeable. They wait until it is late in the night probably when they think I'm asleep do I ignore it or would it be best to tell them I don't want to feel bad about it.
[41:28] Mike: Oh gosh did you ever experience this I never did.
[41:31] Keith: No I think boy my parents have not discovered this podcast I think I might have walked in on them once when I was very very very young but I don't know it could have been a dream. It was so long and it's such a like poorly formed memory.
[41:39] Mike: Ah.
[41:49] Keith: It would have been when I was like but less less than 10 years old.
[41:49] Mike: Okay, didn't I so I remember ah this is not about my parents but I remember maybe when I was 17 I was dating a girl in high school and she told me this story that she thought was like really cute. About how she heard her parents upstairs or something and then the next morning her dad like made pancakes for her mom and I remember this story because it actually upset me I didn't tell her this but it upset me and the reason it upset me is I'm like wait a minute that means your parents are having sex like once a year
[42:06] Keith: Ah, now.
[42:11] Keith: And some Jesus.
[42:24] Keith: Right.
[42:24] Mike: Like I mean I was able to do the math immediately I was like oh no like like is that what happens. Ah, and so yeah, it was sort of upsetting to me I was like wow but but she was yeah she found it kind of cute and not not upsetting, but it was the 1 time she heard it if you're hearing it a lot. Um I don't think you could tell them that you hear it. Ah maybe you could get some earplugs or headphones or something. Maybe it could move.
[42:47] Keith: Yeah I mean look if you hear them once yeah, it seems like if people are having audible sex then you're going to hear it. Basically every time I mean I guess it's possible that they sometimes have super loud sex. But if you have.
[42:59] Mike: So.
[43:05] Keith: Children you're probably trying to tamp it down a little bit and so yeah, yeah I don't know how you Confront your parents about this I think I think you just make a joke out of it be like ah.
[43:09] Mike: Right? right? I have a friend.
[43:21] Keith: Sounded like you guys are doing some gymnastics in there. You want to keep it down a little bit next time and then I mean I know like a 15 year old doesn't have that like sort of to develop prefrontal cortex or conversational ability like everything is embarrassing to them.
[43:26] Mike: Yikes. But if you're 15 That's.
[43:38] Keith: So that is going to be just mortifying.
[43:39] Mike: Right? I wonder what percentage of guys this is a woman this is a girl 15 year old girl. Let's say it was a guy what percentage of guys. Do you think would beat off to that. You know what I mean they hear it.
[43:47] Keith: Yeah.
[43:56] Mike: Hear it happening what percentage of guys would be like let's let's say they're virgins. They have no access to a woman.
[43:57] Keith: I Jesus ah I would yeah I would hope 0 because you just can't I mean one of the comments was I overheard my dad doing dirty talk that was awful and.
[44:04] Mike: Should see.
[44:12] Mike: Um.
[44:12] Keith: Yeah, that would be awful like listening to your dad like say hamfisted dirty talk to your mother would yeah I for me, it's 0 What Why did your mind to that your mind even went there though implies that it's. Possibly non-zero in your mind.
[44:32] Mike: Um, well I mean I just remember being of that age where I remember being in my yeah yeah and I was I remember being in my bedroom and thinking guy like how many how long is it going to be between now and when like I can.
[44:36] Keith: Yeah, every everything it's any stimulus is arousing. Yeah.
[44:49] Mike: Have a partner and that was pretty upsetting to me and so I don't know like anything anything that kind of could kind of ah simulate that I don't think I don't think in this case I think that would not have been compelling to me but I I just think that if yeah, it came to my mind So I suspect there's some percentage of young men probably almost zero young women.
[44:51] Keith: Yeah.
[45:09] Mike: We find it compelling but.
[45:09] Keith: yeah yeah I I guess I agree on both fronts I don't I don't want to talk about this anymore all right? This person says boyfriend says I'm boring in bed when we have it 6 times a week
[45:16] Mike: Check the.
[45:24] Keith: So I'm a 23 year old female and my boyfriend 24 year old male of a year and a half told me last night he finds sex boring. He was very rude about it I'm enthusiastic and initiated always wanting it. He said a guy at work is having exotic sex with his girlfriend handcuffs outfits, etc now I have a good now I have a good collection of nice underwear and sexy outfits fair enough I don't wear them all the time.
[45:29] Mike: And.
[45:44] Keith: Bought some green underwear his favorite color and he said he didn't like the bottoms because they covered my bum. He also said to surprise him with sexy underwear. But I quote never do. We've been into and summers that must be a lingerie store and I'll say ooh This is nice. Or what do you like and we end up buying nothing because he doesn't like anything I'll happily wear something if he likes it but he says I won't because girls he has been with before they say they will and don't Okay, what I'm trying to get at was why would he say this am I boring or is he being childish. Edit.
[46:14] Mike: I Think he's again.
[46:17] Keith: He has read the post and has apologized. He is upset. He has hurt me says it is his fault all right? So yeah, this is a misread on her part. So here's what I think I think I don't know if I think he's gay I think that he's not that into her and I don't know.
[46:28] Mike: Reflect here. Yeah.
[46:36] Keith: What to do when you are less interested in having sex with your partner. This is a thing that has happened to me in many relationships and it's always a tricky one like I want to be just as interested as I was before and having sex with them and communicating it to them is not. Really an easy thing to do. It's not sexy I Probably don't want them to change any of their behaviors anyway and so I sort of end up in this dead zone where I don't know what to say and my partner is probably feeling sort of confused by my behavior but ah.
[47:12] Mike: Yes, you're not sure right.
[47:14] Keith: I Mean in some ways she's lucky here she she's had it communicated to him she knows He's not that into her and she should just move on. Um I don't it. It was a bad strategy of his to to say anything he should have just like pretended. Everything was fine and he is trying to pretend. Everything is fine.
[47:23] Mike: That's probably right.
[47:29] Mike: This actually makes me yeah this makes me.
[47:33] Keith: He said he apologized. He's upset he hurt me says it's his fault like he's just trying to like stave off the breakup because he wants to be in charge of that.
[47:41] Mike: Well that Yeah, okay, maybe but that's yeah, this made me think of something we discussed not on the podcast which is ah you basically took the position that women ah will after say.
[47:51] Keith: And.
[47:58] Mike: I Don't know some some period of time. Basically the woman doesn't want to make choices doesn't want to break up with a guy with you That's been your experience. They don't want to break up with you because they don't want. Ah they don't want have to make a decision like that and I think that's generally right directionally right? Although I think that.
[48:06] Keith: Ah, yeah.
[48:14] Mike: Eventually they will I mean that most divorces are initiated by women so there is There's some point at which a decision will be made but it probably goes a lot longer than it has to when I was thinking about that later and I thought well you know I think guys do this sort of the same thing not because they don't want to make a big decision but because they don't want to cut off their access to their sure access to Sex. And so that could be what's going on with this guy right.
[48:36] Keith: He's just prioritizing the burden hand versus 2 in the Bush I think that if he met someone at work that he was super interested in he would break up with her immediately.
[48:38] Mike: Yeah.
[48:43] Mike: Right? Okay, but that's that that sort of goes along with that argument that I guess both genders would do that that people will not make the decision as long as they can but a guy in particular I think will do that because of the scarcity of sex so he thinks yeah bird in the hand. Whatever.
[49:01] Keith: Yeah I mean this is why so many relationships end with somebody quote unquote cheating. It's like the relationship was dead for a long time and then somebody finally found a reason that's it's not confusing. Um I mean it's tricky I mean I've been in relationships where.
[49:08] Mike: Yeah, that makes sense.
[49:19] Keith: And you know the sex hasn't been compelling but I did want to still be in the relationship but it's yeah, it's hard to pull out of that Nos dive.
[49:26] Mike: By the way I saw I saw a porn the other day that was a guy it was like 1 of these cuck porns and his whole thing was he like to go in after the other guy like and he would talk he vocalized a lot about it. Yeah I know so he's like he's like oh yeah I feel his.
[49:31] Keith: Okay. Why.
[49:43] Mike: Fill out other the guy seemmen. Whatever he said I forget exactly what he said Lu bluebing it up for me and he's like and then she said various things to kind of she kind of coed the same things back to him and I was just like. Ah yeah I do I I Well I lost my erection.
[49:45] Keith: Um, ah yeah.
[49:58] Keith: Um, we've talked about what the ah minimum time you want to leave the self-cleaning oven on before trying to bake something else in there and yeah I I think it's like 72 hours or something I I think I wouldn't be able to detect it to detect it after like 6 But.
[50:14] Mike: Home.
[50:16] Keith: Ah, or maybe maybe that's maybe that's giving myself too much credit. Maybe I wouldn't be able to detect her after like half an hour if she cleaned up.
[50:25] Mike: What do you think about? um, a Tiktok video that shows a girl very young I'm assuming of age girl and in the and and our caption is just he's sort of like dancing around and the caption says like something like I just met you know, just met.
[50:41] Mike: My boyfriend's parents and then something like you know they don't know that their grandkids are running down my legs.
[50:48] Keith: Jesus ah I mean it would get a lot. Yeah I would get a lot of views.
[50:51] Mike: You understand is that I don't think that's a thing a woman would ever think like it's a thirst trap right? Yeah, so they just some guy told them to write that or they read it online somewhere.
[51:02] Keith: It is. Yeah, yeah, did you see this content somewhere print.
[51:10] Mike: Chat gbt okay I've seen that fifty or a hundred times you see it again and again and again and I just think to myself. Well I don't think I've never encountered a woman in real life who talks or thinks who seems to think like that you know.
[51:23] Keith: Yeah, yeah, the ah ah I look at a lot of still image porn which I think is something that's sort of unusual about me I've been meaning to talk about this at some point and maybe we'll do it next episode but the captions on the images that women post to.
[51:30] Mike: Ah.
[51:41] Keith: Reddit are reliably clever and arousing and I don't think I think there are agents I think there are agencies that basically.
[51:50] Mike: Really.
[51:56] Keith: Ah, post pictures of women to Reddit and other areas and then eventually steer you to their only fans and they've gotten clever at making traps. We'll talk about this another episode. No I want to prepare I need to prepare some material. It would be something like what you just it Mike it would be something like what you just said, it's like it's just totally.
[51:59] Mike: Could you good So I know I just want one I Just want one and oh my lord. Okay, will we tease it for the next time. Okay, okay.
[52:15] Keith: Incongruent with the way that I think that a young woman's mind works right? She you know like there's ah, there's a a subreddit called breeding material and you know all the captions will be about you know, The only role is you can't pull out or something like that. Just.
[52:18] Mike: Right? right? Yeah, that's okay, you.
[52:35] Keith: Doesn't feel like something a woman would say um so all right? Ah, why did I I'm a 19 year old male giz my pants when she 21 year old female slapped me I liked this one because.
[52:37] Mike: Right? No not at all. Okay, if that's a good ease.
[52:53] Mike: Um, flow.
[52:54] Keith: It was ah sort of a sexy story I know the title sounds like a mess sorry in advance I know this girl let's call her n through a mutual friend. She's not exactly the most pleasant person to be around. She's disrespectful and constantly getting into arguments with people I'm surprised she has so many friends and she's always creating drama everywhere. She goes. But I think being attractive helps. She also constantly picks on me which is why I started distancing myself from her. However I am ashamed to admit that I'm very very attracted to her I don't want to be but I can't help it I can only get off when I'm fantasizing about her. Not even porn helps a few days ago I was in a friend's car and was also there. Got into an argument with n and stupidly enough started getting a boner. Please don't ask why I have no clue. Well you're 19 I wanted to exit the car but she prevented me from leaving by putting her leg over mine and pulling me closer. She also said I'm not done yet I was already turned on massively and called her crazy this set her off and she Kate.
[53:41] Mike: And. Release.
[53:50] Keith: And she gave me a full slap I was shocked as was her other friend and it took me a moment to process What happened I also came in my pants I'm serious I don't know how that happened but it did at this point I really needed to to go so left quickly. Yeah could could read. She was trying to chase me down but I told her to give me some space which she did So. Why did this happen. And don't have a humiliation Kker anything I don't fantasize about being dominated So Why did I jizz my pants in this situation. What's wrong with me I.
[54:16] Mike: Um, I don't that doesn't totally make sense to me because so I mean if he detected wetness there that could be something else. It doesn't have to be but I mean if he if if have you ever like jizzed in your pants in a situation.
[54:28] Keith: Um, yeah, spontaneous spontaneously? Just ah no I haven't.
[54:37] Mike: Because because wouldn't you expect I mean there are other things that go along with that that would be kind of obvious to the person standing in front of you. It would be hard to conceal it right.
[54:47] Keith: Yeah, he doesn't write about being found out I'm not sure if that happened I don't know look I don't Think. Ah, yeah I don't want to get slapped. That's not a thing that is on my to do list I can't imagine orgasming after getting slapped I can't imagine orgasming from non-genital contact generally like you know like people talk about having a nipple orgasm and that.
[55:21] Mike: Yeah.
[55:24] Keith: Seems wild to me. But yeah, certainly having a ah cheek punched Orgasm seems impossible like I don't I don't get it I don't know how this happened.
[55:32] Mike: Well, that's why I I mean I'm sure you've had the experience of being in a situation with a woman and then discovering later that there was more fluid that had kind of come out of your penis than you thought during that encounter thought that was yeah.
[55:47] Keith: Sure Yeah I've had pre pre come yeah.
[55:52] Mike: But large amounts I'm sure like in certain situations that are kind of you know, moving in a certain direction. So I so I ah I am guessing that that might be what actually happened which make would make sense to me I.
[55:57] Keith: Yes.
[56:04] Keith: Um, you think I don't I don't know if I've ever I mean I guess if I had definitionly I wouldn't know it but I was going to say I I don't think I've ever mistook an orgasm for a nonorgasm or vice versa.
[56:15] Mike: Oh sure. But the way he's describing I mean he didn't There's no detail in this post about anything other than well it's just yeah I guess I Just don't know I don't I haven't had any experience in my life with this kind of spontaneous. Situation. So I don't know I mean maybe it's not pleasurable. Maybe maybe you can have something that's not pleasurable and where you don't have the kind of normal physiological reactions that you'd expect to go along with that but I would think that there'd be more going on there that he would yeah so I was just imagining. Well maybe he detected the wetness later and thought oh I must have. Done this you know.
[56:56] Keith: Yeah, maybe he sounds a little bit confused generally I mean he just has a crush on this girl. He's he's got that like sort of fourth grade thing where he's like pretending not to like her or something. Ah yeah I mean the thing where she.
[57:06] Mike: And probably she does on him as well. So.
[57:13] Keith: Put her leg across his and said he couldn't leave that sounds pretty promising. Um, yeah, all right? We don't have much time. So let me see if I have a ah quick hitter here. Ah yeah, this one's this one's quick. All right.
[57:16] Mike: It does yes something he ought to be able to take advantage of.
[57:31] Keith: Drinking more water made my sex life infinitely better I've always been the type of person to drink maybe a glass or two a day of water I was always dehydrated but used to it I've also always had trouble orgasming during sex and getting wet enough somehow I never connected these anyway recently I've made it a point to drink a lot more water at least sixty ounces a day usually more the sex is so much better.
[57:32] Mike: First.
[57:50] Keith: And much more wet. Not even during not only just during sex but also generally feels better and healthier. She says she feels more lubricated blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Ah do you think it's possible to go through your life So dehydrated that your vagina.
[58:05] Mike: She I do I do I suspect that she's telling the truth. Yes I Actually I absolutely do and I'll tell you why I think.
[58:08] Keith: Never works properly really that seems could men do this I mean like have you have you ever. I mean I've been dehydrated before but I don't think I would let myself get so dehydrated that like my cocks started functioning differently would be like no way give me some water.
[58:29] Mike: That's true. Ah I mean I've experienced I mean I think we've discussed the fact that I've experienced like n said pain relievers like Advil having some kind of impact on me. So I know there's a.
[58:39] Keith: Yes.
[58:43] Mike: Kind of ah a connection there and the specific impact I've had there just for interested listeners is ah kind of like you can get a nut off but it's not very pleasurable. It's actually really annoying. Um I've had it where it was just nothing where there was just no intensity truly annoying.
[58:55] Keith: It's less intense.
[58:59] Keith: I feel like you have more variance in your orgasms than mine like I feel like all mine are a 7 or 8 and you have tens and twos I'm not sure if I'm jealous of that or not like 7 s and eights are pretty good.
[59:01] Mike: Like well I spent you know all this time.
[59:08] Mike: Yeah, that seems right? yeah.
[59:17] Mike: Yeah I mean and we don't It's difficult to compare a subjective experience to know. So maybe actually maybe I have ones and threes you never know hard to say Um, but yeah, the ah the.
[59:18] Keith: I Know that's very subjective.
[59:25] Keith: Yeah, we just we discussed that probability problem.
[59:33] Mike: I Think that it's very easy for you to imagine how somebody could be that dehydrated through like drinking lots of coffee or alcohol like things that tend to dehydrate you so it doesn't this doesn't surprise me that much And yeah I mean it makes sense that that could make a difference like their body's going to prioritize like having enough blood or whatever over being lubricated enough.
[59:48] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah I mean I guess I've never I've never really had like a drug or serious drinking problem and so I mean I've been hungover I'm not sure I haven't been.
[59:52] Mike: So.
[01:00:05] Keith: So hung over so often that I've noticed various ah performance issues I I probably do perform I Probably my orgasms are probably less intense or my erections less less hard when I'm super hungover I don't know.
[01:00:20] Mike: Yeah, well I generally think Health matters a lot for that and so there are a lot a lot of people who are unhealthy in various ways limit limit the quality of the experience they can have I'm sure that's true. So.
[01:00:31] Keith: Yeah, all right I'm going to wrap it. You have anything else. You want to add? Oh yeah, me too and this is going to be our last episode before Christmas so I hope everybody has a happy holiday.
[01:00:38] Mike: No I Hope you feel better.
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