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Episode 98: Holodeck Sex, Vintage Masturbation Using Images, Cuddling Trickery, Dating Profile Time Warps

Team YMMV | 12-29-2022 | 1:03:59

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Keith doesn't think women should include pictures of their mothers with them in dating profiles. Mike thinks it makes lots of sense to do so. You can be the judge on this one, but a hint is it may just be a test of whether you're short- or long-term dating oriented. And this after Keith shamed Mike for sharing some pictures of "some prostitutes" earlier in the day. They were thousand-dollar escorts, thank you very much. High-end ladies of the night!

Would a man always choose sex with a virtual partner who required no before-care or after-care over masturbating? Probably. But, he also would likely pick masturbation over a real partner a significant percentage of the time. Who wouldn't?

Now, to Keith's enjoyment of still images of young ladies as part of his onanistic portfolio. Now, I prefer talkies, or at the very least moving images. At an absolute minimum, I like to watch a video of, say, a train moving in and out of a tunnel repeatedly.

But I do have some grudging respect a man who is still anchored in 19th-century masturbation habits. And with that preamble, here are some of the links we discussed:

https://ymmv.me/98/polish-angel-lying

https://ymmv.me/98/polish-angel-list

https://ymmv.me/98/polish-angel-back

https://ymmv.me/98/just-genitals

https://ymmv.me/98/honeyhands

https://ymmv.me/98/less-postprocessing

Later on this episode: A man discovers that by delaying his drive for sex and just cuddling on the third date, he drives a woman wild. And, another is slowly tiptoeing toward gay-town.

We get a lot of our questions from Reddit, so for our listeners' enjoyment, here are links to some of the questions we discussed this week:

https://ymmv.me/98/dante

https://ymmv.me/98/anal-orgasm

Episode Transcript

Transcript automatically generated by a robot. Apologies for any inaccuracies.

  • [00:00] Keith: Hello and welcome to your mileage may vary. We talk about sex and relationships with frankness that is controversial but mostly in good faith on today's show I'm sure we'll be covering some exciting sexy and salacious topics. But I was running behind today and so I didn't get a chance to prepare and write an intro sorry I'm Keith. My co-host is Mike hi Mike ah I'm okay I got sick last week and then I went to see my family on the East Coast and got sicker and I think I'm recovered from that now. So.
  • [00:21] Mike: Um, hi Keith how are you doing.
  • [00:34] Mike: Yes, and I'm sick Also so that's where we're at.
  • [00:37] Keith: Yeah I thought I thought I was going to be doing a solo podcast today and I have a little bit of a cough so I was trying to figure out when I have a cough and we're recording together I can just let you talk and mute myself and cough but I wasn't going to be able to do that. But.
  • [00:55] Mike: Right.
  • [00:57] Keith: This is not not great content but now I can so so I'm saved. Um I've mentioned this to you before I've probably mentioned it on the podcast. Why do women include Photos. Of themselves with their mothers on their online dating profiles.
  • [01:19] Mike: Ah I didn't know they did that but I'm going to give 1 immediate feedback that I have on that which is maybe it's to imply what they'll look like as they age I mean okay, here's a question for you. Do they ever do that in a situation where. The mother is like obese or there's something messed up about the mother physically.
  • [01:38] Keith: Well, they're always 20 to 40 years older
  • [01:41] Mike: Okay, okay, well yeah, that's how nature works but I mean are they is there a range of kind of 20 to 40 year older attractiveness level or are they all kind of clustered toward the more attractive mom side.
  • [01:52] Keith: Attractivenesses.
  • [01:58] Mike: And hard to say.
  • [01:59] Keith: I Don't know how to say this without just sounding like a total asshole I Just ah.
  • [02:03] Mike: You go on.
  • [02:07] Keith: Um, there aren't a set of many women in their fifty s who are sexually attractive.
  • [02:15] Mike: Are okay, let me ask it this way. Let's say that there were 50 of these profiles. How many of the fifty could of the mothers could fit in a row boat comfortably. It is for me.
  • [02:19] Keith: Are.
  • [02:25] Keith: It doesn't It's not the weight. That's the issue. Although if they're if they're obese. That's obviously a big problem.
  • [02:32] Mike: You understand why? it's an issue. It's it's not because you want to sleep with the mother. It's because you're trying to get some idea of the genetic makeup of the daughter. Yeah.
  • [02:40] Keith: Yeah, and in almost every case. The mom is not sexually attractive and it doesn't matter if she's obese or not like plus thirty in years a woman who's 30 herself is not could function.
  • [02:43] Mike: Um, okay, but she.
  • [02:54] Mike: I do think it matters and the reason I think it matters is that if the woman if the mom is obese then that suggests that the woman is taking great efforts to not be obese and as soon as you enter a relationship and she feels comfortable. She might. Stop taking those great efforts. However, if the mom is sort of well-proportioned and reasonable looking for her age that makes a big difference that that's the kind of feedback I would be pulling from that is like what what is this? Not not what's this person going to look like in 30 years but what will this person look like in 3 years
  • [03:29] Keith: I say.
  • [03:32] Mike: Have you not? you haven't been able to sort of separate from the Ick factor of the mom enough to kind of ideate around that. Okay.
  • [03:37] Keith: Yeah, yeah, I Just why would you show? Why would you remind someone so starkly.
  • [03:48] Mike: Be be okay I will this is I think this is just sort of normal like this This is actually you being a little weird and then a little uninterested in a long-term relationship here, but here's the basic reason is because. It's not no, It's not to say oh this is what I'll look like well it is on some level to say by the way I could be wrong about why they're doing this. It was just an initial hypothesis but it it would be just simply to say look like I'm not going to gain a bunch of Weight. Um I will look like a reasonable person and then you can kind of.
  • [04:12] Keith: Yeah.
  • [04:25] Mike: Make some kind of curve between the 2 of them and say okay like if I were to enter into a it makes sense to me on a dating profile because basically if a person is looking for somebody. They'll have a relationship with for longer than like 2 years or a year or something then that might be a question I think it's actually somewhat common for men.
  • [04:37] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [04:42] Mike: When they start seriously dating a woman to kind of want to see what her mom looks like for this reason.
  • [04:46] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, but it's almost always bad news. Even if they're skinny.
  • [04:52] Mike: I Okay I just I don't think that's true I don't think that's true I mean there are people that age better and worse and yeah skinny and also like well that's true, but it makes a big I mean it makes a difference.
  • [05:00] Keith: Yeah, but trend line is very bad in a way that it isn't for men and men don't post pictures of themselves with their dads and so like I'm trying to understand what women think they're signaling.
  • [05:14] Mike: I Think it's what I said you don't you don't think men might do that I'm not sure but I I think the main one I think yeah, okay and so maybe he's like fizzy fit and active and stuff is he okay well that might be what you're signaling there. But I mean the yeah.
  • [05:18] Keith: Maybe they do I have a picture of me with my dad actually yeah, my dad looks awesome. Yeah, but for b to signal that is reasonable because my dad still has sexual currency in his 70 s.
  • [05:37] Mike: I mean I think that it's ah yeah I mean I but I I think the main thing is obesity I Actually like if we want to just like cut right down to it I Think the main thing that would be signaled is look my mom's not obese.
  • [05:47] Keith: Okay, it I haven't really conceded this but maybe I should I don't think I've seen many pictures of women with their mothers where their mom is obese. So maybe you're right? It is some sort of like skinny signaling.
  • [05:57] Mike: Okay, and I'm yeah I don't know the data on this exactly. But I do do know there are significant parts of the United States where more than say 40% of the population is obese I also know that for women. It skews higher if they are lower income. So. There's also some kind of wealth signaling there. Well it actually interestingly on.
  • [06:16] Keith: yeah of course yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't this this obese thing is is not interesting to me Mike the the reason why I brought this up is you're base. It's not Mike I don't want to talk about that anymore you you've already said why you think that's interesting.
  • [06:29] Mike: It should be if if you were yeah Okay, um.
  • [06:35] Keith: Ah I I don't understand why like it's like oh this is how I'm going to look bad in the future like why do people want to lift that curtain.
  • [06:45] Mike: It like.
  • [06:52] Mike: Because okay because ah it is a really common experience and I know this from having say Facebook friends of various types that I have ah women women that I was friends with have been friends with throughout my life I maybe have a hundred of them or 200 or something.
  • [07:01] Keith: Yeah.
  • [07:06] Keith: Look at this guy with female friends impressive I know I'm just music.
  • [07:09] Mike: And I know well people I knew in high school and college and so forth you know I don't know if they're not really active. Friends Facebook's sort of like a weird history book of your life right? Um, yeah, but ah.
  • [07:18] Keith: Yes, it is especially now.
  • [07:23] Mike: I mean ah, but but the thing about it is. It's not how they're going to look when they're 60 I there's a young woman that I'm friends with from ah way back who is younger than me and she's morbidly obese and you would have known that by looking at her mom and so so the risk is I know you said the obesity thing is boring but it's like look if you're if.
  • [07:38] Keith: Like it is.
  • [07:43] Mike: Here's the thing if you get married to a woman and have a kid and then when the kid's 1 year old the woman becomes three hundred and seventy pounds and was previously like one 20 that's something that you might have wanted to know was likely like okay like.
  • [07:49] Keith: Yes I I agree look I don't want my would be partner to be fat nobody does and I agree that showing a picture of their mother can assuage.
  • [08:00] Mike: Yeah, no like. Yes, it's that yeah might.
  • [08:07] Keith: That could turn and I will even concede that that may be why women are sharing photos of their mothers I Just don't think. Ah yeah I think that the negative aspect of sharing photos of their mothers which is. You're basically showing you're just pressing the fast forward machine on the young woman is not worth the you know comforting knowledge that she's not going to get fat later.
  • [08:38] Mike: Yeah I disagree I think that I think that if if I were um, you know, looking for a life partner on Tinder or bumble or whatever that picture.
  • [08:43] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [08:46] Mike: Ah, would actually somewhat increase my interest level immediately as a guy I actually completely disagree I think women should do this if they if the mother looks reasonable.
  • [08:53] Keith: Ah, all right? We have found the nut of our disagreement and we can now agree to disagree and move on ah and your point that it may have something to do with me, not necessarily looking for long term partners.
  • [08:57] Mike: Yeah.
  • [09:09] Mike: Yeah, if I had no interest if I knew I was going to if I knew it was very very likely that our relationship would last under a year then then I then I would actually completely agree with your viewpoint I'd say what's the point of this is is just sort of annoying like you could just take a picture with a homeless man and that would be the same.
  • [09:12] Keith: Um.
  • [09:27] Keith: Yeah I mean I guess in that case I'm not going to care how she's going to age gracelessly either All right? Let's move on um, is there a difference between sex drive with another human.
  • [09:30] Mike: Um, right.
  • [09:42] Keith: And sex drive to masturbate.
  • [09:46] Mike: Um, ah for men or for women. Um I think so I think so um, yeah.
  • [09:47] Keith: For men for men.
  • [09:54] Keith: I do too I think you can have low sex drive to find other human partners and high drive to masturbate.
  • [10:09] Mike: Yeah I mean I think that well I mean you probably can have it the other direction as Well. It depends on ah the the main reason why I think it's ah a thing is because ah of all of the kind of after care and foreplay and so forth that would have to go into dealing with a human partner and as a man. You might just be looking for that release and basically just to have fun for a period of time and that might not be well. Actually it's basically never available really because there's always some kind of medium to long-term not consequence but like you know, require something. In order to have partnered sex.
  • [10:46] Keith: Um, can you imagine a circumstance where you would prefer to masturbate over using a hollodeck.
  • [10:54] Mike: Ah, no.
  • [10:54] Keith: Yeah, I'm not sure I can either.
  • [10:59] Mike: Right? Yeah, if I could if I could I mean yeah, this probably comes up for guys that um, don't mind going to Tijuana and hiring a prostitute or something ah that this probably comes up for them as well that they that they would basically be and indifferent between the two because you can simply dismiss the woman. Um, there might be some amount of hygiene slash like safety considerations. But yeah, but you're saying a holodeck where there actually is none of that and then yeah I mean I mean look like that's essentially what masturbating is is using a holodeck I mean yeah.
  • [11:23] Keith: Bright.
  • [11:30] Keith: Yeah I'm trying to figure out if there's some aspect of yeah I mean I mean one of the disadvantages of having to work with a real human female partner is you have to think about them and so.
  • [11:45] Mike: Right.
  • [11:49] Keith: I Mean obviously that could be a huge advantage too. But in this hypothetical where you're trying to create a situation where even if a woman was like maximally available in the perfect way and you could dismiss them immediately after would anyone prefer masturbating in that Circumstance. And.
  • [12:07] Mike: I Don't think so I mean maybe but I think that I think that it would basically basically sex would always be better with a naked woman gyrating somewhere in your field of view right? I mean yeah, there's a related question that I thought of this week which is um, something about.
  • [12:14] Keith: Seems like it.
  • [12:24] Mike: Transition between ah, a partner that you have whether it's long term or medium term probably not short term where you kind of have some real world things that you discuss I mean you know a person who's a friend. It's not just a fuck buddy and that transition as a guy between that. Kind of ah person that you know is a confidante or whatever and trying to switching gears into ah fucking and um, yeah I Wonder if you ever experience awkwardness in that transition if that makes any sense.
  • [13:00] Keith: Between being friends to being sexual partners.
  • [13:04] Mike: I just mean like in in the moment. So you know you have something an hour ago you were discussing with this person and now you're sticking your dick in their mouth does that transition ever cause you any difficulty.
  • [13:14] Keith: Aha.
  • [13:19] Keith: Yes, it causes me I think much more difficulty than the average person.
  • [13:22] Mike: What kind? Okay, well that's because of the mouth part or let's say let's say they're sitting on your face.
  • [13:30] Keith: It's because it's because um, playing a dominant role against somebody that I was just you know maybe having some sort of verbal fencing with is sometimes weird.
  • [13:46] Mike: Yeah, so what's the right way like what's the what's the mechanism you use to to to if there is any that you found that is useful to kind of resolve that.
  • [13:48] Keith: Or uncomfortable.
  • [13:55] Keith: I I don't think I have good mechanisms and I'd be curious with yours or other people that you know can immediately like you know face fuck somebody with impunity after ostensibly talking about the situation in palestine and trying to you know, respect their opinion.
  • [14:10] Mike: So.
  • [14:14] Keith: Um, yeah I don't know what the I don't know what the ah the best way to do that is.
  • [14:20] Mike: It doesn't so but I mean okay from from if if the other person let's see if you weren't worried about the other person's feelings as a man I think this is right for men. Generally I think I would be okay with just essentially there's a pause in the conversation and I unzip my pants. Did right? I think I'd be okay with that.
  • [14:40] Keith: And I say like you could just completely table. Ah yeah, well okay I do think that that is basically Society's expectation for. Ah.
  • [14:45] Mike: Yes, I'm yeah like.
  • [14:55] Keith: Yet people Cordon off their sexual relationships completely from the rest of their relationship and I find that sort of difficult sort of obviously a little bit silly to expect perfect cordoning off and.
  • [15:12] Mike: Interesting. So you would like to let let's say you were ah it doesn't matter pro one side or the other the Israel- palestine conflict that doesn't matter so you you could be just thrusting endure on top of her and you're like now. What do you think about that or you know, Ah, um.
  • [15:13] Keith: I Think that people.
  • [15:19] Keith: I Know where you're going here? Yeah, ah.
  • [15:27] Mike: Imagine this is a Israeli missile it would it have you ever done that like continued.
  • [15:28] Keith: It would cross my mind for sure I mean he no no because that would because for the woman for yeah, for anyone who embargo smuggling in some sort of ah. You know, verbal rhetorical combat into the bedroom would be is would be considered verbotten right? like verboten.
  • [15:52] Mike: I Don't know let's say if you had a holodeck woman that had no feelings and you could just reboot her would you have would you consider then doing that or would you okay.
  • [16:01] Keith: Yeah, no because the nice thing about the holodeck woman is that I am able to completely. Ah ignore her feelings or or her opinions.
  • [16:15] Mike: But sure but I'm trying what I'm trying to get at is do you have a desire wall penetrating a woman to simultaneously verbally spar with her or win the argument. No okay, you see like.
  • [16:22] Keith: No, no, no, but it is rattling around in the back of my brain that I was just you know having a difficult conversation with this person and now we're in this completely other mode where we're effectively pretending that didn't happen or per tabling it while we.
  • [16:41] Mike: I See interesting and presumably that's happening in her head as well.
  • [16:41] Keith: Connect in this other way.
  • [16:47] Keith: I don't know I think not I think most people are probably able to erect a wall between these 2 aspects of their personalities.
  • [16:58] Mike: I don't know I've read enough posts on the sex and other subreddits 2 x chromosomes subredds from women who are basically ah yeah that that I know that a fairly common female experience is you're just like lying there getting pushed into the mattress again and again and they're thinking through some argument or.
  • [17:03] Keith: Ah, yeah.
  • [17:14] Keith: Right? right? you often hear when men complain about how their partner never initiates or how their partner is perhaps completely uninterested in sex altogether.
  • [17:16] Mike: Disagreement with their mom or something like that.
  • [17:31] Keith: The defense the woman will offer is like well you never help with anything around the house you you don't help with the kids. You don't do these various things and so yeah, this notion that in the bedroom I'm supposed to generally not always people have different preferences but I'm supposed to generally. Play this sort of like dominant assertive in Command Um, sexual beast and you know the woman plays sort of the opposite of that which is ah a more submissive person and again people have different preferences but you know.
  • [18:02] Mike: Right.
  • [18:07] Keith: The the vast majority of sexual encounters. This is the way that things are set up. Yeah I think it's a little bit odd that ah people are able to do that with such ease.
  • [18:20] Mike: Right? Well I mean I wonder if it's just men that are able to do it with such ease because I do think I do agree that generally as a guy you kind of are able to table those things I don't know if that's the case for women I'm sure it varies I'm sure it varies. But.
  • [18:31] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • [18:37] Mike: Um, it's that yeah the transition I was sort of thinking about because it's such an odd such an odd transition that you sort of well I mean it's just a thing that happens you transition. But I was thinking whether there's some like technique for improving that. It's not actually something I've seen discussed that much.
  • [18:56] Keith: Right? Yeah, all right? Do you want to move on to um, my masturbation preferences the content. My content preferences.
  • [19:05] Mike: Yeah I mean we teased last week. Yeah, we teased lot. You teased last week and I was surprised that you ah enjoy still images I have to say that um I fired up my oculus rift to today for the first time in like two weeks and was surprised to find a number of new horns that were female point of view. Um, and it was a little discomfiting. Yeah, it was it was just basically guys like jacking off in front of the camera onto a woman's tits that.
  • [19:29] Keith: Female point of view.
  • [19:38] Keith: Yeah.
  • [19:41] Mike: So I turned it back off and switched to the computer. Yeah.
  • [19:43] Keith: You You could have found other content. Potentially.
  • [19:46] Mike: That was the main new stuff I mean I I've consumed everything Well I've consumed enough of the past stuff that I'm basically looking for the new. New content and my various sources and I was surprised there must have been some sort of data dump of this kind of content but okay so you you prefer I don't really even understand how you're essentially from my perspective This is like ah a set of polaroids. You're you're managing to beat off to not not even a video.
  • [20:14] Keith: Yeah, yeah, well all right first off. Ah yeah, um, we should ah I use a photo aggregator website called popular dot picks.
  • [20:15] Mike: So what? what is your what I mean do you want to talk about your technique How this works for you.
  • [20:31] Mike: Yeah, Keith sent me a link and I can put it on the show notes. Yeah.
  • [20:31] Keith: Pix p ICS and I sent Mike a link to this the way this site works the width of your browser window is important. Can you tell me what your window of dot interwidth is and I'll make sure your mine's the same.
  • [20:46] Mike: It's pretty wide but I know you want a specific pi pixel number right? So I'm gonna have to I'm working on it it ah happens to be 1 5 four five pixels I feel like I'm on the prices right? oh.
  • [20:50] Keith: Yeah, yeah, just just just open up the ah the developer console into when window dot int width okay, mine was at 1 7 2 o so I'll shrink mine a little bit.
  • [21:04] Mike: Pretty wide one 5 4 5 actually? yeah, great how I will too.
  • [21:05] Keith: You said 1 5 2 o all right all right I'm at 1 5 4 o that should be the same all right? and then I'm going to refresh just in case things have changed since I sent you the link. So I'm seeing 3 women at the top. The first one is Ps 5 or me the second one is my favorite thing is bouncing them and the third thing is ready for more rounds with you. Do it the same? Yeah, okay, so I think that I might be fairly hyperactive.
  • [21:26] Mike: Yes, I'm seeing those same 3 young young ladies.
  • [21:39] Keith: And my masturbating content surfing Just be honest here for the sake of good radio. Ah what you can do is you can sort of scroll through here and as you can see. There's quite a lovely buffet on offer here and.
  • [21:43] Mike: Okay.
  • [21:59] Keith: Ah, if you like 1 of these young ladies. You can right? click on their user name see how their usernames appear underneath the post title. Yeah, all right? So let's open her up open open her up in a new tab.
  • [22:10] Mike: I Do like lil Polish angel. Okay so right click and open a new tab. Yeah I also noticed by the way that her picture is is a video I didn't for the sake of um, true.
  • [22:18] Keith: Yeah.
  • [22:21] Keith: It is.
  • [22:23] Mike: Being true to your methodology or I did not play the video because we're doing still images images. So I'm now in her user profile.
  • [22:26] Keith: Right? Yeah, and then here you can sort sort by top of all time which can normally be pretty good if you do this often. There's sort of a a limited number of of women on on Reddit there's.
  • [22:35] Mike: Lord top.
  • [22:45] Keith: Dozens but not thousands and so I've seen the top picks for a little polish angel before ah but yeah, and then you can click on any one of these images and that it takes you to a much larger version.
  • [22:45] Mike: That so.
  • [22:51] Mike: Okay.
  • [23:01] Mike: Okay, so let's yeah, can we do your favorite neighbor on the top right of her user and then maybe you could tell me what you would do Once you've clicked on that It's the one where she's lying over and her it's like her butt just goes straight up in the air. She's lying on her stomach kind of and she's on one elbow with her head.
  • [23:03] Keith: And.
  • [23:20] Mike: See I'm talking about Well it was just I did top of all time and it was the third I know that you've seen those that you've you've apparently seen all of her pictures before. Yeah.
  • [23:21] Keith: Don't let me search for neighbor. Oh you did top. Okay, you did sort by top all right hold on oh there it is yeah um, that picture is not particularly I mean look at that is a. Compelling young woman that is not and that's not an angle that I particularly like generally this is an odd thing I don't like inverted images. So if so if the girl is like spreadeagled or like in the missionary position and the photo is upside down so her head is on the bottom of the image.
  • [23:45] Mike: I like it ah like you.
  • [23:59] Keith: I find it almost unusable as masturbation fodder the photos upside down so it's the normal classic spread Eagle pose. But for some reason it's rotated upside down.
  • [24:02] Mike: Um, say that again. So if if if if she's on her stomach.
  • [24:09] Mike: Okay, so her so her butthole is at the top of the photo instead of the bottom.
  • [24:16] Keith: Sure and this in the situation. The situation described she's in missionary position. Well but the thing is Mike the way that I would do this is I would probably.
  • [24:22] Mike: Okay, so why don't we pick one that you do find usable because this is pretty complicated technology Here. I.
  • [24:35] Keith: I'm scrolling down I'm scrolling and she's got a bunch of tiktoks can you post porn to Tiktok.
  • [24:43] Mike: Ah, what women will do is they'll post something that's close to porn and then they'll be like 1 frame that might be pornographic and I think I've figured out the reason they do that is they're hoping you'll click pause a bunch of times and maybe when you double click I think it follows them so they're hoping you'll do that? um.
  • [24:55] Keith: I say.
  • [24:58] Mike: I Usually just skip those because I don't I'm not willing to try to catch that one frame I know I have sufficient access to porn that I don't actually need to need to do that I Just don't care like and frankly like they're the you know even if they're clothed. Ah, it's revealing enough that it.
  • [25:05] Keith: Right? right.
  • [25:17] Mike: Doesn't make much of a difference to me So but okay so I'm still trying to understand. Yeah okay I'll find in I do I have it right here I'm copying the url for our listeners. Okay.
  • [25:18] Keith: Yeah, ah if you scroll down a bit. There's this. It's breeding time. Get your cock ready. Do you see that picture.
  • [25:34] Keith: I Like that one? um, ah her ass is very plump and shapely the way she has her arm over her head. There is sort of vulnerable and alluring. That's.
  • [25:36] Mike: What tell me ah, tell me what you like about it.
  • [25:43] Mike: Okay, oh.
  • [25:49] Mike: What's in her hand I think it's a vape thing. No did I destroy the polish girl angel for you. She's now the little Polish devil.
  • [25:52] Keith: Oh God What is in her hand you I think you're right I think it is I Yeah I don't like this girl very much. She doesn't have very many shots of her vagina.
  • [26:04] Mike: Does it turn you on that She has one of those iphones with the three cameras on it. So it's it's the max.
  • [26:10] Keith: Yeah, just obviously thought that's spending $1300 on a phone was a good use of money.
  • [26:16] Mike: Does that does that turn you on I have a question for you. Um, by the way it occurred to me over the last week that one of the reasons why you prefer to use Whatsapp instead of other technologies has to do with your use of an Android phone is is that right? did you did you basically. Most people that I know use imesage. Ah do you aggressively use Whatsapp because of that issue.
  • [26:34] Keith: Yeah.
  • [26:40] Keith: Am I trying to avoid revealing that I have an iphone you mean or that I have an Android.
  • [26:46] Mike: That you don't have an iphone exactly so you're basically you do push everybody over to Whatsapp which by the way people in other countries if you go to Europe using ah sms is just ridiculous over there. Everybody uses whatsapp so there's no shame in using whatsapp I'm just curious if that's your.
  • [26:59] Keith: Well first off I message does not use sms. That's the problem.
  • [27:05] Mike: Yeah, but she uses it. Um, it's the default messaging app on the iphone but in in Europe people still don't use it. They still use whatsapp even if they're using an iphone as you probably know? Um, but my question is whether you as an american shifted over to Whatsapp to avoid this stigma associated with the old green.
  • [27:23] Keith: So first off if I communicate with other Android phone users. We have all the same stuff that I message has it's just that it's just that if you mix then nobody gets it.
  • [27:24] Mike: Message bubble.
  • [27:30] Mike: Okay.
  • [27:37] Mike: Sure sure I'm just trying to understand whether your primary motivation was like let's say in a dating scenario where I know there's a certain amount of stigma associated with not having a blue box because people think that means you don't have enough money and I I know that if you buy the google pixel phone. It's quite expensive and a quite nice phone. I'm totally aware of that but I was just curious if you'd shift it over to Whatsapp specifically to improve your dating life in that way.
  • [28:00] Keith: Yeah, it's a superior phone but I know not really I mean I do enjoy when people come at me about my Android phone and so if and if anything I have some incentive to try to bait them into.
  • [28:18] Mike: Okay, so your choice of Whatsapp is just something to do with international travel and things like that you know.
  • [28:18] Keith: Bringing up the blue checkbox or green checkbox or whatever the fuck it is and then no I feel like you're not paying attention if you want the features that I message and whatever Android's messaging thing is called and you want to have conversations with people. That have iphones or androids then you have no choice other than to use some third -party thing and Whatsapp is the most popular of those third -party things will most americans in your socio-economic group.
  • [28:45] Mike: Ok I think most Americans just use sms.
  • [28:56] Mike: Okay.
  • [28:57] Keith: Have iphones and so they're not trying to deal with the situation of mixed Also yeah, like probably your most common group messages is like just stuff with your family and they all have iphones.
  • [29:08] Mike: That's right and there aren't that many features people use I mean there are some notable features missing from Whatsapp like phone calls. But yeah.
  • [29:15] Keith: Yeah I think lots of people under 30 like don't even use the phone. But yeah, ah yeah, right? Yeah back to my masturbating.
  • [29:23] Mike: That's True. So Let's why don't we get Back. So So so this ah this chick here with the ah with I mean I agree. This is a very compelling pose. She has the vape and so what would you.? Okay, see you would go to this picture and how long would you spend on this picture. Well like how many strokes of your cock with this phone with this picture. Get you? okay.
  • [29:39] Keith: Um, I mean this picture is I might expand this picture but this picture is not very compelling because it's not very high resolution.
  • [29:47] Mike: Of the vape pen. Okay, so maybe there's another one that's or maybe is lil polish girl not a good choice. Sorry angel.
  • [29:55] Keith: I Mean she doesn't have any she doesn't have many vagina shots I mean it depends I like a variety I feel like I need to save a ah.
  • [29:59] Mike: Okay, see you want a Va China shot. Let's go back to? yeah.
  • [30:09] Keith: Ah, url history of my.
  • [30:13] Mike: Well, there's one that stuck out to me, let me pay message it to you and I'll um, put it in the show notes I just messaged it to you in our little messaging for the podcast here. Did you click on it. Ah, what do you think about this shot and maybe you should describe it? okay.
  • [30:17] Keith: Um, okay I did I'm a little confused by it I feel like the focus point isn't quite right? or it's been.
  • [30:30] Mike: Okay.
  • [30:33] Mike: Wow wow! Just so that our listeners know this is a woman reclining face first on a bed shot from behind and you basically see her shaved vagina slit with fairly plump.
  • [30:36] Keith: Smoothed and post a little bit I'm not.
  • [30:52] Mike: Libyia and her butthole right? above it. But you're saying there's there's been too much work done to the phone I mean it. It definitely has some imperfections in it. Don't you think.
  • [30:53] Keith: Yeah.
  • [31:02] Keith: It does She doesn't have any visible skin tags. Ah I don't see any ingrown hairs.
  • [31:11] Mike: So this is a vagina but this is not workable for you.
  • [31:15] Keith: Now This is okay I'm just telling you I'm thinking out loud as I'm evaluating this photo.
  • [31:22] Mike: Okay, well so this chick I'll give you her username her her username is honey. Well let me just paste it you and all it's honey hands Exo I think and I'll also put that in the show notes. Um, yeah honey hands exo.
  • [31:31] Keith: Um.
  • [31:34] Mike: She has a number of vagina shots a lot of them are from behind. She appears not to want to show her face. Maybe that's going to be a complaint of yours. Um.
  • [31:39] Keith: Yeah, a lot of these women hide their faces and then they try to direct you to their only fans where they may or may not have a quote unquote face reveal.
  • [31:50] Mike: Okay, so one of the things I'm trying to understand here I mean this is actually I think a pretty compelling album she has on here. There's a lot of fully naked and yes the face is obscure generally is yeah it is is this some.
  • [32:03] Keith: Her user account you mean? yeah this is pretty good I clicked over to her.
  • [32:08] Mike: Ah, she yeah is this? Okay, she or she is beating a guy off. Of course it's a video so I don't know if that fits it's a here she says making sure it's a sticky gooey and white quist Christmas and he nuts all over himself which isn't great, but ah is this about you looking for amateur content because I think we would have an overlap there if that's. That's that's what I find compelling about this of course it's not amateur but.
  • [32:29] Keith: Um, yeah I like that this is well right fit like to be professional.
  • [32:34] Mike: Well, it's it's prosumer or whatever. It's It's in that gap that maybe only fans is starting to has already kind of filled up but it's certainly not upborn. Star is the point. This could be a woman who's just in college or whatever.
  • [32:43] Keith: Yeah, here's a photo I'm going to paste it to you that hat doesn't have the same post processing as that one that you sent me. No.
  • [32:56] Mike: Is it the same photo or just a different. So why is this compelling I'll put this in the notes as well. Okay.
  • [33:03] Keith: It's the same woman but you can see. Ah yeah, it hasn't been photoshopped in the way that other one was.
  • [33:11] Mike: In this you you like the sort of 1 the the stubble and the hair. There's like a little errant hair like pointing under clit.
  • [33:19] Keith: Yeah, there is I like the sort of realness of this. Yeah I think so yeah.
  • [33:25] Mike: Um, it's interesting and so how how how long do you think you would use this particular photo during a ah beat off session.
  • [33:31] Keith: I think on any given photo I spend from something like 5 to 10 seconds and then I get bored and then I like hyperactively go to the next one until eventually I built the orgasm.
  • [33:37] Mike: So yikes.
  • [33:43] Mike: Interesting and when so and at no point I mean some of these are videos. But do you I assume and you don't mind clicking those.
  • [33:50] Keith: Some of them are but I mean this photo is like is like what like maybe ah 3000 pixels tall. It's there's just no way that a video is going to have anywhere near.
  • [34:02] Mike: It's It's a large photo.
  • [34:08] Keith: That level of detail and so many of these little videos that these women post I'm trying to see if this one has any not oh here's one post post yoga titty drop.
  • [34:16] Mike: She has some videos yeah honey hands. Yeah.
  • [34:25] Keith: Ah, yeah, like this this boob drop thing that women's do women women's women. Do I don't find at all compelling like I can tell that they don't find it compelling. They're just yeah.
  • [34:28] Mike: Yeah, yeah, ah okay.
  • [34:38] Mike: What would you? What? what? What? What? ideally would you like them to do.
  • [34:43] Keith: In say an 8 second video
  • [34:46] Mike: So yeah, where where they're just there by the I mean I think generally like this is an issue I see with something like Chatterbait is that women by themselves actually have trouble coming up with things to do and I often think about it and I think wow yeah I actually don't know by them so by herself I'm not sure I could come up with anything better I mean it's just. Their body doesn't I mean needs a penis to like kind of activate parts of it.
  • [35:07] Keith: Yeah, well yeah, and then if they you know are producing content every day probably gets a little bit tiresome trying to come up with new stuff. In fact, on some of these accounts. You'll see they just have like the same. Boob drop in you know four hundred different shirts that's just kind of boring and anyway we've we've talked about this enough we should move on Mike ah.
  • [35:29] Mike: Okay, but you wouldn't gravitate hang on I just want to ask 1 more question I just want to ask 1 more question. There are at least 2 videos here like for example, 1 called huge finish with a prostate massage where she's beating off a guy would you avoid the penis ones. And focus exclusively on the ones that are just her or would you sort of alternate or use the interesting because of the prostate.
  • [35:50] Keith: Yeah I'm I'm not really interested in this that that one in particular is not I mean it's just him stroking him off. Yeah yeah.
  • [36:03] Mike: She's stroking him off but sure. Okay, okay so you're primarily looking for the the woman female oriented content and this stuff. Okay.
  • [36:08] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah, that picture to the right of it Collegiate swimming means I'm always wet is pretty compelling.
  • [36:18] Mike: Collegiate swimming. Yeah I mean our ah fewers will have to do some work here if they want to keep up with us. Ah, yeah, that's compelling. It's sure. Ah, by the way I along similar lines.
  • [36:21] Keith: Yeah, yeah, I'm worried this is not interesting, not interesting content.
  • [36:33] Mike: Was in the hot tub last night and I'd seen a comic on Tiktok talking recently about this and his claim was basically that 18 to 22 year old women just you know their lives are just magical.
  • [36:35] Keith: M.
  • [36:51] Mike: Course he's talking about attractive ones because and his joke is something like oh you know? um I've always wanted to know what it's like to live in France and then she's just in France you know, basically anything she wants just happens because the world is magical because guys will simply provide it so there was ah there were 2 men.
  • [37:00] Keith: Um, right? yeah.
  • [37:10] Mike: And a woman all in their early twenty s in this hot tub at my swim club and ah the woman was pretty attractive and had some sort of low slung bikini on around her breasts and I was thinking about that that.
  • [37:17] Keith: Ah.
  • [37:29] Mike: Essentially they were having a fairly animated kind conversation. But when I I closed my eyes and listened to what she said and the stuff she was saying actually frankly what they were all saying was not that interesting but she in particular wasn't it just wasn't very interesting and I was thinking to myself. The only reason these 2 men are processing what she's saying at all and even talking to her is because of these teds.
  • [37:44] Keith: Entertaining.
  • [37:47] Mike: I Mean that's right right.
  • [37:47] Keith: Yeah, it is.
  • [37:50] Mike: Yeah, um, yeah, so and then I was thinking I was wondering in my head I Wonder if she is aware of that that like her low effort. Yeah, right? and then gradually she becomes less interesting as she ages.
  • [37:57] Keith: No, she's not her experience is that she's interesting. Okay.
  • [38:08] Mike: She doesn't know why her sort of low effort comments become less and less interesting. That was yeah, that was what I was reflecting on sure sure I mean even I was interested in what she was saying but anyway go on. Yeah.
  • [38:13] Keith: Which she doesn't she may not even know their low effort like that. It's just how she is can we talk about right? Yeah I mean it's That's ah yeah, Beauty is a great equalizer of intelligence. Um.
  • [38:27] Mike: Ah, right.
  • [38:31] Keith: Want to talk about the captions on these popular pics photos. So I'm just going to read a few of them lick me from hole to hole spankable and fuckable at the same time put a baby in my tiny belly fuck my ass till there's tears streaming down my face I'm your fuckbook doll in training.
  • [38:32] Mike: Um, okay so sure.
  • [38:50] Keith: I hope you like a leggy slut. Let me keep it warm for you. Okay, you get the idea want to go ball deep in this Christmas slut you'd better have a weak pullout game. She's saying don't don't pull out of me this is in the ah.
  • [38:51] Mike: Now you? yeah what.
  • [39:05] Mike: Okay, okay.
  • [39:08] Keith: Breeding Materials subreddit um film me and make me a petite melf. Anyway, you get the idea. Ah I I think good callback I think she's unlikely.
  • [39:16] Mike: Um, I'd have to see a picture of her mom to be sure but go on you.
  • [39:26] Keith: To be writing these captions herself.
  • [39:29] Mike: These sound like things men read in particular ah the one that sounded very very male written. There are a couple but the the lick me from hole to whole I do not as I think is a thing a woman thinks I mean women. Yeah, a woman who would never think that.
  • [39:44] Keith: I suspect she reads I suspect she pays a third party company to manage her only fans and all of her marketing for her only fans and they have people who. Post these pictures around to the various subreddits and figured this out for her and I just think that's interesting that was like a business that I didn't know existed.
  • [40:08] Mike: You know it makes sense although I would say that if you read the camgirl problems subreddit which I've been banned from for asking an untoward question. Um the ah it wasn't that bad of a question but it was untooured enough.
  • [40:18] Keith: Yeah.
  • [40:26] Mike: But ah I get the um I mean a lot of people are of true amateurs in this business. Ah, and I think part of what you're saying like a hidden. Maybe not so hidden element of what you're saying is that what is that? actually these quotes are kind of clever right? They're not, they're not, they're.
  • [40:37] Keith: Yes.
  • [40:42] Mike: It's you're you're saying this is content that would be a little inaccessible to a young woman. She would need to do a lot of research to know these are the right things say on the other hand she could just read there could just be some tribal knowledge associated with these accounts and so you just read you know a thousand of these.
  • [40:45] Keith: I Think so.
  • [40:54] Keith: She could but like I'm just looking at her like top 10 posts and she's posted to /our/collegesluts/ our slash ex smallllg girlsls another subreddit cute little butts. Another subreddit needy sluts another subreddit hold the moan.
  • [41:01] Mike: Ah.
  • [41:10] Mike: Ah.
  • [41:14] Keith: Another subreddit boobs another subreddit God Pussy who I might like that subreddit. Um, anyway I am aware of it I'm was simulating for effect but there's a yeah I think that.
  • [41:17] Mike: Yeah, yeah, I'm aware of that one. You're not aware of that one? Okay, good.
  • [41:33] Keith: Knowing all of these different subreddits and being able to come up with captions like this and just the the pure amount of content being posted just implies that it's being done by a third party.
  • [41:43] Mike: So What do you?? Okay, let's double click on that for one second. So A woman is very attractive. She turns eighteen she realizes that she can make a lot of money on only fans and you think that there's some kind of an agency that she goes to that says look. We'll take. And percent. Maybe ten maybe twenty I don't know maybe 50 of the money you take and we're just going to figure out how to market you You don't think that women figure this out themselves at all basically or that it's a small percentage that the odds are against a woman figuring it out.
  • [42:03] Keith: Yeah, maybe 50
  • [42:18] Keith: I Think some women do. But I think expecting a young woman who is extremely attractive to do this I Don't think that's ockham's razor here I could be wrong and I'm sure some of them are doing this themselves but ah.
  • [42:26] Mike: No time.
  • [42:34] Keith: Having good social media intuition and being beautiful although correlated and maybe a did a bit causal I don't think are are perfectly. So and so.
  • [42:44] Mike: Right? So I think some people would say that's an anti-feminist thing to say but I think it's actually more astute than that. Ah, and the reason why I think it is more so more. It's cleverer than that is I mean you can take somebody like Mr Beast and his ilk that are very successful youtubers.
  • [42:49] Keith: Oh go on.
  • [43:01] Mike: And say well what about them I mean they I actually do believe that Mr Beast you probably do too kind of figured out his shtick right? like he there isn't some you know 60 year old guy in Manhattan or whatever Brooklyn that wrote a script for him and he's following I mean he he figured it out himself and I believe that and so you say what's the difference and I think the difference is that.
  • [43:04] Keith: Yes.
  • [43:12] Keith: Right.
  • [43:20] Mike: Mr. Beast's stock in trade is cleverness. He's generating clever content all the time ah whereas the women here are not their stock and trade is simply their state. The fact that they're they have this beautiful attribute that they're able to show again and again and then they want to.
  • [43:23] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [43:33] Keith: Right.
  • [43:37] Mike: Stamp on top of that cleverness which they then have to go By. Um, and so I think that's the difference there and the odds that a woman simultaneously is this attractive and that clever while not 0 It's somewhat unlikely so there might be some I'm sure there are some women who figure this all out themselves like maybe that. Streamer You clued me into recently. Um Amainth may have done that herself. But it's somewhat unusual.
  • [43:57] Keith: Yeah, right? Yeah I'm curious. What these third party agencies ask them to do I mean there could be some liability stuff if they're like okay we need you to pose him this way and in that way and in this outfit and like this like I mean they could be at the very. Least they could be seen as grooming and at the worst they could be you know sort of sexually I don't know if you can assault at a distance but they're coercing yeah women to.
  • [44:29] Mike: Um, exploiting or something but these women are all typically over eighteen so yeah
  • [44:34] Keith: Yeah, it's just sort of an icky business.
  • [44:39] Mike: Depends on your perspective I mean it sounds kind of fun to me. Yeah.
  • [44:40] Keith: Yeah I Also wonder if like you know they ask the girls to take a bunch of photos and then they rate them internally at their hoists that then they figure out which ones to post.
  • [44:50] Mike: They could even run they they could simply post a bunch to various subreddits. Yeah and look at the up votes and so forth I do suspect I would say that I suspect that the most the absolute most successful ones are also clever.
  • [44:53] Keith: They could do a B tests. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they could.
  • [45:07] Keith: Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have overlap being hot and clever. Okay I wanted to read this post from Reddit it got 5000 of votes which is pretty high for the sex subreddit and I don't really understand why this is so interesting and it's a bit lengthy but.
  • [45:07] Mike: Meaning that they are figuring it out themselves like the most successful because exactly.
  • [45:26] Keith: Maybe I'm missing something because it does have a lot of up votes all right last night my 36 year old female friend gave me a 36 year old male the most mindblowing sexual experience of my life. Ah does this thing have a name last night my friend okay sorry the person writing this is the female. And she was given the most mind-blowing sexual experience of her life from this 36 year old man we were just supposed to spend the ex-mas together. There is nothing never anything sexual about us while we were watching the movie. He touched me in a friendly way. I'm super chronically touch starved that sounds like some therapy talk there. So I leaned in and asked for some more he spent a good 2 hours just caressing me I fell asleep a couple of times but I know it since the movie restarted and ran another time. No point did he tried to turn it into sex just gentle touches and cuddling and I was cuddling his 2 dogs at about 3 Dante said that it's really time for bed since he was too sleepy to safely drive. He suggested it sounds like a baby is cold outside. He said that this must be the man he suggested I could spend a night in his spare room. So tomorrow. We can have breakfast and then he can take me home I went to bed out. Oh.
  • [46:27] Mike: And who's Dante ok.
  • [46:41] Keith: Went to bed but no I wanted more so I gathered the courage and went to Dante's bed I told him I want to have sex with him now to be honest I just wanted more cuddles so I expected that Dante would do a quickie and then maybe cuddle me more before going to sleep here comes the interesting part. They did something that I had never experienced in any variation before he kept cuddling and caressing me while telling me the most wonderful and encouraging things things which we all want and need to hear all the same at the same time he lowered my hand between my legs and both of us were playing together with my pussy I'm struggling to describe the sensation with my words. Who's basically masturbating my brain and body and pussy at the same time I felt tingkles all over my body several orgasms which felt like an outof-body experience and made me lose control over my legs and back at no point did he tried to please himself I had reached for his shaft. It was erected. Seemed he removed my hand. He was erected and size wasn't an issue. So the reason wasn't shame exhausted I fell asleep. So now there is a 10 question mark to 0 orgasm gap which I have a full intention of making right? this technique that he was doing does it have a name did he came up with that on his own. A single guy has done anything similar in my life for the ones which I asked I texted him how do you feel about me I just got a response get ready because I'm going to turn your world upside down this technique shall to be called tote's inferno.
  • [48:05] Mike: Okay.
  • [48:08] Keith: Okay, first off, why do you think this got so many up votes like what is it that makes this like crack for women.
  • [48:15] Mike: Um, I mean I Yeah I mean I I think that what men and what women want out of sexual encounters often are kind of not congruent and so this is a guy who gets it.
  • [48:26] Keith: Well no shit I mean she said that she wanted to get more cuddles with him and so she goes to his bedroom says she wants to have sex. She doesn't want to have sex but she says she wants to have sex so that what does she say. To be honest I just wanted more cuddles so I expected that Dante would do a quickie and then maybe cuddle me more before going to sleep I mean yeah I would say that's.
  • [48:49] Mike: Her It's not that she doesn't It's not that she doesn't want sex is that the sex part irrelevant to her which I think is common. It's a common female experience. Yeah I mean she yeah she's she's not. It's not that it would be.
  • [48:55] Keith: Um, right? yeah.
  • [49:06] Mike: Assault or something. It's just not. Yeah, it's just not that compelling. Um, and yeah.
  • [49:08] Keith: Um, yeah, he kept cuddling and cressing me while telling me the most wonderful and encouraging things things which we all want and need to hear.
  • [49:20] Mike: Yeah I mean they're probably things I wouldn't want to hear why don't you can you actually? um for a listener's benefit. Can you try to think of say 2 or 3 of the things Dante said and pretend that um one of our female listeners.
  • [49:28] Keith: Um.
  • [49:34] Keith: I'll I'll use your now I'm gonna use your name Mike oh Mike Your're you're you're you're trying so hard and you're you're doing your very best and everyone can see that and respects that and.
  • [49:36] Mike: Please don't you.
  • [49:46] Mike: Wait is that you really what you think she wants to hear everyone sees that and can respect that what do you really think that Dante was saying.
  • [49:50] Keith: I Don't fucking know man.
  • [49:56] Keith: Things which we all want and need to hear the most wonderful and encouraging things I think he was giving her like sort of trite wos words of anorms words of affirmation.
  • [50:08] Mike: Do you think they would be words about her behaviors. Her attractiveness her physical attractiveness something else which is what you say no to her physical attractiveness.
  • [50:12] Keith: No I don't think so yeah I think he was telling her how cool she is but I don't know you're right? Maybe he was telling her that he really likes her curvy body I don't know.
  • [50:24] Mike: Oh yeah, I just had the best time with you I think that I think it's most likely that it would be um I think the most catnippy thing is stuff about the future. So.
  • [50:40] Mike: What he? Yeah what you know the the kind of life that he envisions with her how she's just the you know she's just so great and they mesh. So why are you laughing.
  • [50:50] Keith: Oh it's is. It's so misogynist. It's amazing. Um, well I don't know misog It is the right word is so sexist.
  • [50:52] Mike: Oh really. Yeah, Well I mean what? what I mean. Okay, it's be I Guess it's based off a very simple biological view of ah what women and men want I mean look.
  • [51:05] Keith: I Mean it's amazing that this woman saying that while telling me the most wonderful and encouraging things things which we all want and need to hear and both of us are like I don't know we could We could wildly speculate but like there's there's no like clear thing that this that there's definitely was.
  • [51:18] Mike: Um.
  • [51:23] Mike: Why? yeah.
  • [51:24] Keith: It would be. It would be great to get like 2 or 3 women and have them answer this separately and see if they converge to the same answer.
  • [51:31] Mike: Okay I Just want to point out that if it were a man. Let's say that a woman was going to sort of sit in front of you and beat you off and say things while she's doing that. Let's say it's like a misuseuse you get. She's super attractive but you've agreed not to like. Ah.
  • [51:43] Keith: Yeah.
  • [51:47] Mike: Exchange Fluids She's going to beat you off. There's an obvious set of stuff. You'd want her to say or if she were going to say anything it would be um, kind of you'd want her to believably have the hots for you right? Physical hots for you that she'd want her to say things while she's beating you off and so I mean yeah, she just wants to watch you.
  • [51:49] Keith: Ah.
  • [51:57] Keith: Yeah, yes, yeah, she would say that my body is is strong and I don't know right.
  • [52:06] Mike: Blow your load and she's just so hot and she fucking loves and you want to believe that well okay I mean you could say that's miss and what is it Miss Andry that's anti-male but it is the truth about what you want to hear and I do strongly suspect.
  • [52:16] Keith: Things which we all want and need to hear.
  • [52:21] Mike: Yeah I mean it's like look you know I'll be here forever for you and blah blah blah you're the greatest ever I don't yeah and it's like I think I think I have to say that I think that Dante's tactic here I I have.
  • [52:23] Keith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm forever yours.
  • [52:37] Mike: Have basically no doubt this is just a strategy this guy's deploying and I think it's really smart I mean now given your experiences you've described to me on the podcast Keith I don't think you'd want to do this tactic because you already achieve such a high level of um desires the wrong word high level of like.
  • [52:56] Keith: Yeah, yes.
  • [52:57] Mike: Attachment from women typically on dates and so forth that I don't I actually think you might like something crazy might happen if you did Dante's Inferna to a woman like you might somehow the machine might break. She might yeah I mean you might actually call she might like kill herself if you I hope not but you know if you broke up with her or something.
  • [53:12] Keith: I I had that um that date try to.
  • [53:17] Mike: Yeah I mean well I don't know if you use Dante's inferno on her. But I think for a lot of guys like this is a decent strategy. You basically are ah not, you're basically giving up one nut early in the relationship to get a bunch of much better nuts and so I think this is something that guys should.
  • [53:28] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
  • [53:34] Mike: Take note of and note the upvos yeah women and and yeah, my my argument would be. You know all these women upfoting and it's like look I'm pretty sure Dante is just doing this as a tactic he doesn't actually yeah, he's he's basically behaving in a way that's not particularly male.
  • [53:43] Keith: I Think so too I mean yeah I didn't even read any of these comments. Yeah I mean there might be this. She might.
  • [53:55] Mike: Yeah, yeah.
  • [54:00] Keith: Give some more info in there. But I'll I'll leave that as a exercise for the listener.
  • [54:01] Mike: I also don't want to knowledge shame these I don't want to knowledge shame these women but Dante allegory actually did write multiple books and the inferno is the one about hell. But there's also one called like paradisio or something about heaven. So so probably they could have she should ah she should have called this dante's.
  • [54:11] Keith: And purgatorio.
  • [54:19] Mike: Paradisio She's trying to come off as well-read. But.
  • [54:20] Keith: I mean Mike she didn't conjugate a single verb correctly in that entire screed. So.
  • [54:27] Mike: Um, maybe that's what he said to his hey baby. What's her username.
  • [54:31] Keith: Ah, it's a throwaway.
  • [54:33] Mike: Hey baby throw away you conjugate so badly. But I still want to make babies with you if I could just I hope my babies don't be. It won't be it won't won't be able to conjugate I can't do it.
  • [54:47] Keith: She definitely she definitely needs to hear that she can't kind. She gave.
  • [54:51] Mike: Well, but but he wants he still wants a lifetime of lack of clarity about the past tense with her wait are you was that yesterday or tomorrow.
  • [54:58] Keith: Yeah. From right? Okay, yes, yeah I was talking to my brother-in-law and he suggested that you should read more stuff Because. He can feel me getting irritated with grammar when I when I read this stuff and that when you read stuff. It's funnier and I'm sure I'm sure he's right and that that bothers me I'm going to try to focus less on the grammar. Ah okay, this person says he's a 22 year old man.
  • [55:24] Mike: Okay.
  • [55:35] Keith: He says he felt deep shame after experiencing an anal orgasm. He actually didn't say an antal orgasm. He said after experiencing anal orgasm in the drinking game. My friend Jane a 25 year old female revealed to me that she has a weird fetish for putting butt plugs into guys' butts.
  • [55:37] Mike: Earth.
  • [55:43] Mike: Okay.
  • [55:53] Keith: And that she would like to do this to me. Discreetly as friends do I didn't found that hot at all. But I felt like doing this for her I said yes we did it and it's actually felt great. A bit kinky a bit dominant and even though we were just friends. It felt really nice then she wanted to try it a bunch of different butt plugs I was okay with that too. And to use 1 at all times and share her collection with her also okay with me. We've been doing this for the past week but today she removed a butt plug from her butt and pushed it into my butt that made become now I feel so dirty about it people do this they ah what they inject feces. It can help your gut fauna.
  • [56:15] Mike: Okay. Oh wow.
  • [56:27] Mike: Yeah, but the way you do that is you do you want to know how this works. No, you actually they collect the feces and they put it in a a capsule. It has a fairly thick wall and then you swallow it and the idea is it is true and you the idea is that it doesn't.
  • [56:31] Keith: You don't share butt plugs.
  • [56:40] Keith: Oh my God is that true.
  • [56:47] Mike: Dissolve the the wall of that doesn't dissolve until it's in your I guess small intestine So that way you don't taste it or anything. Although if you were to leave it in your mouth long enough I think you would yeah.
  • [56:47] Keith: Till you're Colon. Oh my god okay stop now I feel so dirty about it coming just from my butt big simulated felt great and I know I shouldn't feel bad because of it. But I do also I feel like I wasn't supposed to come because that's just 2 friends doing weird things feel like I used her without giving.
  • [57:03] Mike: Ah.
  • [57:07] Mike: 1
  • [57:11] Keith: Permission and that makes me feel ashamed of myself is feeling like this normal could I do something to not feel like this all right. That's the end but before you say the obvious edit one. She told me imagine this is a dick while pressing it edit to you guys are right? We talked and she admitted to being into me right.
  • [57:22] Mike: Oh no and she's and he's gay. Yeah I mean I can yeah I mean I think that's well first of all I doubt the anal orgasm part I don't know I mean I think. Bet there was some other stimulation going on for him I'm just going to guess. Ah, but ah yeah I mean I think like look so this guy is taking it I think we've discussed this before a little bit that if you like pegging then the next step is.
  • [57:43] Keith: Yeah.
  • [57:59] Mike: Can you peg me in such a way that you my female partner get pleasure out of it which is tricky. It's complicated to do that. There're various. There's some toys where they try to do that. But then the next step from that is okay so she's getting some pleasure but what you really would like is something from her body to shoot into your body from her pleasure.
  • [58:02] Keith: Oh.
  • [58:17] Mike: Now this guy's sort of accomplished that right because he he figured out that he could take the butt plug out of her and put it in him. So now he's gotten some fluid transfer but we're really really close to just gay anal sex here right? because 1 just one little chromosome switch and now we've got.
  • [58:24] Keith: No.
  • [58:35] Mike: Semen shooting into his butthole which would be very similar and I suspect he would enjoy that.
  • [58:39] Keith: Yeah I will issue our ah by episode disclaimer. It is possible to be heterosexual and to like all these things It's just that at court. It's just that it correlates.
  • [58:46] Mike: Sure well hang on if a man enjoys having another man put his penis in his anus and then ejaculate in there I mean I don't know if that's gay I don't think so I think there's some.
  • [59:00] Keith: Um, that could be totally hetero bike I mean who does it? Oh oh okay I see.
  • [59:05] Mike: Homosexual element of that and so I'm just saying like there's steps. There's steps along a friend who listens to this podcast has a story about how I remember it was like a roommate or something in college or something and camera who it was but and the story was basically yeah his roommates say.
  • [59:17] Keith: Oh no.
  • [59:24] Mike: First he's like oh yeah, you know I just um I just have this guy friend and we just like to sort of fool around a little but I'm I'm straight and then he's like yeah man I I tried putting his cock in my mouth and it was I'm still straight but it was it was kind of fun and then like three days later he's like yeah I'm I'm gay I'm gay now. So.
  • [59:34] Keith: Yeah.
  • [59:41] Keith: I Mean how liberating would it be to be gay man. It'd be so awesome.
  • [59:48] Mike: It's difficult to to imagine I mean well I don't I don't think it would change your life very much Keith I mean you've mentioned that you don't right I mean it. It doesn't have much value for a bit I think isn't it already comically easy.
  • [59:52] Keith: Yeah I'm able to find sex fairly easily I guess but but it would be it would be comically easy. No, it's not comically easy I have to exert much more effort than I would like I sort of like the effort though.
  • [01:00:05] Mike: But let me ask this if you were willing. Okay, if you were willing to tolerate a woman who was not as attractive like you don't have to go that far down the attractiveness spectrum to make it comically easy right? And so I think it would be similar for a gay guy I mean like look men come in different levels of attractiveness.
  • [01:00:17] Keith: Probably not.
  • [01:00:25] Mike: Right? And so it's comically easy. Yes, if you're willing to just basically go find a guy on grinder and bang it out. But if you want somebody That's more attractive more compelling. So I'm not actually positive. It might actually be easier for you being hetero to get sex with a quality partner.
  • [01:00:26] Keith: Um, yeah, yeah.
  • [01:00:38] Keith: Um, not sure I have a good counter argument to that I will meditate on it and we can. We can open our next show with that finding sex easier or get.
  • [01:00:43] Mike: I Just don't know. Um.
  • [01:00:47] Mike: Right? Where you could try doing it. You just sign up for grinder you should I Would definitely recommend getting a prescription for prep.
  • [01:00:58] Keith: Yeah I do get all those ads all right? This's a good place to end episode 98 of your mileage may vary. We like getting feedback. We would like much more than we receive. We pay $10 for any feedback that we receive so. Yeah, if you want us to pay you give us your venmo or Paypal or whatever it may be yeah.
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  • [01:01:28] Keith: Um, yeah, we can see the numbers.
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  • [01:01:48] Keith: Um, yeah.
  • [01:01:56] Mike: People on Youtube are always asking for like and subscribers's the same thing that one action is actually pretty valuable anyway, sorry go on exactly hey. Yeah I mean if you're listening anyway I mean all it does is make it show up in your list and also and I would mention this go to your friend's devices and subscribe on them too.
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